The David Knight Show - Wed Episode #2165: Christmas Eve 2025 Rebroadcast

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

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I mentioned yesterday briefly the Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. It was kind of interesting the history of this. And there's an interview on World Magazine, WNG.org. They talked to Bruce Forbes. He's a holiday historian and an author of Christmas, A Candid History. He said, you know, everybody thinks, well, this is the way they celebrated Christmas back in Victorian England. He said, actually, it wasn't a portrait of Victorian Christmas at the time. It actually, Dickens actually made Christmas popular when it was not popular at the time.

And he points out, going back to the 1600s, English Puritans tried to stamp out Christmas celebrations. based on two main objections. Number one, they said, well, it's not in early Christianity, so we're not called to do it. Number two, is there too much wild partying going on? And again, the way I look at it is, you know, some people look at one day as holier than another. Other people see every day as alike.

Let everybody follow their conscience. And it depends on how you celebrate it. Is it going to be wild partying? Is it going to be rampant materialism, or is it going to be an opportunity to reflect on the incarnation of Christ and his purpose? And so Parliament even went so far as to ban Christmas in 1647. The historian Forbes said at some points, they would send town criers around on Christmas Eve crying, no Christmas, no Christmas. What would Megan Kelly say?

And Bill O'Reilly, these are the people who are you. He's always talking about that we're on Christmas over here. Forbes said, for a century or more, Christmas remained diminished. A survey of stories, as a matter of fact, from the London Times between 1790 and 1836, shows just how much Christmas had fallen out of favor. In 20 of those years, nothing at all has said about Christmas. And in the other 25, it's mentioned only briefly in the kind of sense of, well, that's something that people used to do a long time ago.

Dickens wrote a Christmas carol in just six weeks, and he published it a few days before Christmas on December the 19th, 1843. He was up against a deadline and just barely making it like we did with this book in the bookmark, you know? Anyway, the public reaction was instant. They loved it. It sold out. They printed it over and over, reprints over and over again

the following years, and it got very big in America as well. In 1868, Dickens sailed to the U.S. to perform dramatic readings of his books, including A Christmas Carol. I used to watch Bonanza when I was a kid. I remember they had an episode of Charles Dickens in America, and he went to the ranch. You know, he had to meet the cartwrights, I guess, because they got a lot of money. Anyway, Forbes said, it's like, he was like a rock star. He had 150 people waiting overnight to get tickets in Boston, and the tickets all sold out.

So he said, A Christmas Carol expressed Dickens' deep concerns, for the poor. And see, this is why, you know, when my friend who was a, from the Libertarian Party, he got so upset about Dickens because he saw this as the wedge that was used to enact socialism, right? When in reality, you know, we need, we understand that they use children, as I said before, they're always, children always, and the welfare of children is always the poster child for whatever it is that they want to do, whether it's setting up a digital ID on the internet or whatever it is. And yet we do need to be concerned about the welfare of children.

It's just that we don't need to do it through government. And we do need to be concerned about the poor. And yet we shouldn't do it through government. And even though he wasn't advocating helping the people out through government, he even points out, you know, that one point, he said, well, don't we have poor houses and institutions like that? And you look at how they had, the government had failed to help, the poor in that. It really was an individual concern. I think that was a key

thrust of a Christmas carol. So the story of Ebenezer Scrooge's transformation grabbed a hold of the public mind and added a new layer of meaning to the holiday, one which laid the groundwork for widespread Christmas celebrations, even among those who don't believe Christ came as a baby in a manger. And that's the other thing about it. You know, we need to understand the, you know, when you look at Dickens' Christmas Carol, that was one thing that always kind of bothered me. You know, it's kind of like the beginning of it's a wonderful life and the phony angel narrative that's there.

And, you know, how we're going to, you know, manipulate this guy's life in order to do various things. Still, helping the poor is not something that we should despise. Nevertheless, it's not, as Dickens puts it out there, it's not that good works are going to win us the favor of God. There are rewards for good works in both this life and the next life, but you're going to make sure that you make the next life, and the good works are not going to give you eternal life.

That's what Christ came for, and that's the message, I think, should be, of Christmas. As Forbes said, generosity becomes the theme that people can embrace, whether they're Christian or not, or whether they're religious or not. Generosity is a beautiful thing, and it's, I think, Dickens' Christmas Carol's greatest contribution. It shifts what Christmas becomes. And he made it a, he made it kind of a secular orientation. You know, Jesus said, I am the way, and no one comes to the Father but my me, right?

it's a very narrow way it's only one person wide you come through or by christ or you don't come at all to eternal life and that is the message of christmas really you know the some will say that you know we've seen Bloomberg say many times they say oh if if there is a heaven i'm going straight in because all the good things that i've done so everybody can come up with their own set of things that they think earned them salvation God will not be impressed. You know, when we disobey him, we have rebelled against him. And that's why we don't realize how serious that is.

And we don't realize why we need Christ. But, you know, helping the poor, having health care for Tiny Tim, those are all great things. But, you know, the socialists have made those things that the government does. And so today, you know, if they would come around, Ebenezer Scrooge would say, well, don't we have welfare programs with those things? I don't need to help anybody, and he would miss the personal reward of helping someone like that. You know, these are all good things, but still the only way to have that life is through the Lord Jesus Christ.

You know, Dickens' story I also thought about the fact that he has these three ghosts in it, right, that come back, and they're the ones that, you know, reason with Scrooge and convince him. And I always thought, you know, that's really very much like a twisted version of the story that Jesus gave about Lazarus and the rich man, Luke 16. And I don't think that's a parable. I think that's a real story. He uses real names, even references Abraham. He doesn't mention the name of the rich man because of the context of the story.

He realized why he doesn't mention that. But, you know, we can just call it. him Scrooge, for example, right? And, or say Marley, it would be Marley, not Scrooge. Because the rich man, as he is in torment, he begs Abraham, he said, let me go back and warn my family about this. You know, I don't want my brothers to make the same mistakes that I have made. And kind of like Marley, right?

Except what does Abraham say to him? He said, well, they have the law and the prophets, and if they won't listen to them, they won't listen to somebody to come back from the dead. I think about that every time I watch the show. So what would he tell them, right? What would you tell about that? And what would they learn from the law and the prophets? Well, when Jesus was confronted with the religious leaders,

he said, you search the scriptures, that is the law and the prophets. Because you think in them you will find eternal life, but they testify of me. And they do. And that is the message of Christmas as well. You know, the prophecies and the whole narrative of the Old Testament all points to Christ. It's not about the end of the world. It's not about Zionism.

It's not about any of that stuff. And what happens to Israel? What happens at the end of the world? No. That's such a misreading of revelation. People will often call it revelations. And I think it's because they think of it as revelations about the end of the world. but the actual title is the revelation of Jesus Christ.

That's what the Bible is from start to finish. And so it testifies of him. And again, the law and the prophets testify. So, you know, Marley's not going to go back and tell Scrooge this. Scrooge has got the law and the prophets. And if he doesn't want to see what they have to say about Christ, then, you know, that's the real message of Christmas Charlie Brown. So that's, that's the reason that we celebrate it.

Yeah. It's always any chance you have to remember what Christ has done for you. That's right. And to tell people, you know, I mean, what is the end of the Christmas story? And nobody ever kept Christmas, like Ebenezer's Grudge kept Christmas. So it's like, is that it? Is that the moral of the story? It kind of has an anticlimatic ending here, right?

He still dies at some point in time. But they remembered him fondly because he was very generous with everybody. Well, no one put up more reeds than Ebenezer. I hope that you enjoy the reward of that. And that is a rewarding thing, but that is not the ultimate thing. We'll be right back. that's right boys and girls there's a post-election sale on silver and gold trump euphoria has caused a dip in silver and gold it's time to buy some medals with fiat dollars before they come to their sense is go to david knight dot gold to get in touch with the wise wolf himself tony arderburn he knows where to look to find silver and gold

Welcome Welcome back and joining us now is Zoe Smith. She has set up a website Thrillkillmedicalcult.com. find her on substack. The name of the substack is Zoe. That's Z-O-W-E.substack.com. And we want to talk to her about being a whistleblower and the things that she saw during the pandemic lockdown. Zoe worked as a medical coder for over a decade. Tell us a little bit about that. What was that involved with? Is that for insurance purposes, identifying the procedures and putting the right code on it? Yeah. Hi. Thanks for invite. Thanks for being

Yeah, so a medical coder, a lot of people don't even know that it exists because you don't really see it as a patient. But everything that happens to you in a hospital, clinic, x-ray, lab, whatever, has to have a diagnosis and procedure assigned, and that's how your doctor gets paid. So the coder is the one who reviews that documentation, assigns the right diagnosis code, assigns the right procedure code, and that's what gets put on the bill and that your insurance or Medicare uses to pay your doctor or the lab or the hospital. for their services. So it was really boring until who had happened. And then you had a bird's eye view of what was going on. I was just telling you off air. I said the aha moment for me was the AHA, the American Hospital Association.

And I believe it was August of 2020. I've talked about this many times. They got very upset because they said to CMS who was paying them. They said, you told us that we didn't have to have a PCR documentation for this. you said that you didn't have enough of them and you said they didn't work and you said we just point it somebody to a clinical diagnosis and you would give us a 20% bonus on everything that we did to the people as well as the upfront cash bonus of $13,000 and now you want to have this this new requirement you know that's not fair so they were complaining because they weren't

getting paid and it kind of exposed the whole thing except nobody would cover that it was amazing to me how there was dead silence everywhere about that I mean I mean, you incentivize people to that degree, and I would always say to people, look, the money is the issue. You know, the declaration of the emergency by Trump unleashed the money, and then they put out these rules through CMS and paid these people to kill is really what was happening. Absolutely. And that's what you saw as well, right? Yeah, that's, they did, I don't know if you're familiar with the vaxed bus, but Children's Health Defense, they sent out a third one. So they've done part one, part two, and now part three.

The part three is called Authorized to Kill for that reason. Because the CARES Act really did. It incentivized a behavior change in hospitals and with physicians and how they were able to practice medicine. It set everything on its head. And it incentivizes everything. What you're talking about what the AHA said about you didn't even need a PCR test result to get that COVID diagnosis is absolutely correct. And that was one of the things that I noticed in the Pandora's box of things that changed right in at when they declared two weeks to flatten the curve in March of 2020. They changed all the coding roles as well.

So April 1st, 2020 is when the COVID-19 diagnosis went into effect. And we were actually told to commit fraud before that time because we didn't have a code to reflect COVID-19. and we needed to track that so much. And, of course, everyone had to get the PCR test in order to get the diagnosis. But then there was this official coding guideline, which is what we use as coders. It's like our Bible. It tells us what's correct, what's fraud, and it's essentially it lays out the rules. And in those rules, there's a part that says, in order to be diagnosed with COVID-19,

all your physician needs to do is write down in their medical opinion that, they think that you have COVID-19. They didn't need to do an exam. They didn't need to have a PCR test result. And it says right in that official guideline, this is an exception to Section 2H inpatient coding guidelines, which says for every other diagnosis, they have to do an exam and they have to have some sort of clinical documentation, usually some sort of lab work or diagnostics, to prove their working diagnosis.

So COVID was an exception for that. And that was one of the really big red flags that came up for me. And of course, I noticed in my position, not only is everyone getting this PCR test when we come in, they're not all sick. But then they get this COVID-19 diagnosis. And the part that most people that still a lot of people aren't familiar with is when they did the two weeks to flatten the curve and they locked down everybody, they actually kicked people out of the ICU early. Yeah. And they shut down other wings of the hot. hospital. They went down to a skeleton crew. So they consolidated wings within the hospital. So

the ER and the ICU stayed open, but the rest of the hospital was shut down. We were getting furloughed and laid off and hiring freezes and no raises, no bonuses during the time when the media was saying, these health care heroes are showing up to fight the onslaught of COVID-19 patients. What was an onslaught of false positive tests? But it was a onslaught of false positive tests, but it wasn't a non-slaught of a whole bunch of patients, we were getting furloughed. So the hospital really, really needed that money because they were bankrupted right before those incentives came out. So they really needed those incentives.

So they were absolutely excited to label someone as COVID-19 and get that 20% diagnosis. And then he'll come up to the ventilator, which they got another bonus for. And then the randesapir, which they were giving out like candy during this entire time, The bonus really didn't go into effect until August of 2020, but they were using it from about April all the way through. And I noticed how the protocols were killing people. And doctors would just say, oh, this is a progression of COVID-19. And to this day, a lot of people will say, oh, I had a family member that died of COVID. They went to the hospital because they had COVID and they died of COVID.

But I asked them, did they really die of COVID or did they die of the protocol? Were they not that sick until they got there? And then they surfed the drain because in my experience, most of the patients within sometimes a few days to sometimes it took up to a month, but those protocols were killing people, shutting down their organs and then they would die. And that wasn't normal to have that happen to a pneumonia patient. Normally they'd be there three days. We pump them full of antibiotics, which we weren't using for COVID-19. and then they would go home. So this was totally backwards.

And then I started to notice all the incentives. Because even as a coder, they have all these checks and balances in the electronic medical record system. And it counts against you if you miss something. So like if I missed someone for COVID-19, I would get a notice about it. Like, oh, this is going to count against your score

and might not get a raise this year because you weren't a good coder. And they were watching that for Remdesivir because the bonuses were so much. On the bill, every single randesivir infusion was $4,000, give or take a little bit throughout the country because it's weighted based on like where you live. So it would be more expensive in New York or California. But around $4,000 per dose is how much they were getting. Yeah, the ventilators.

I interviewed a woman who was a nurse. She wrote a book called Pandemic Nurse and she was in Florida and she said, I wasn't seeing, you know, the kind of narrative. that they were talking about with the pandemic and everybody was saying what's all happening up in New York. So she left and went to New York to help and sat around for a couple of days after she told them she was there before they brought her in. When they finally did bring her in, she's like, you know, what's going on? They're not busy either.

When they brought her in, physician walked around, showed the people on the ventilators and said, you know, about 90% of these people are going to die. And she said it was horrible. They were just killing people. And of course, when you look at it, if you get a $13,000 bonus for pointing at somebody and saying they got COVID, they may not even be sick, as you pointed out. Then if you put them on a ventilator, you get $39,000. Already right there, you got $52,000 for a machine that cost you $50,000. And then they will pay you 20% on the charges that you've got for them to use it until you kill them with that ventilator.

And again, pulmonologists were looking at this and come back and said, this never made any sense. We never did it like, as you're pointing out, they give people antibiotics and other things like that. So we would never put people on a ventilator, you know, for no. pneumonia or things like that. Exactly. All of it was so incredibly corrupt and counterintuitive, and they turned the hospitals into killing machines for money. And everybody was willing to do that.

I mean, if you got somebody that's there, and even if it wasn't an economic emergency that had been created partially by the government, if you were to tell somebody, you point to that person and say they've got this condition, I'll give you $13,000. We know how human nature. works. And we know how the corporate hospitals work. I mean, the incentives to do that are going to be huge. Just like the disincentives to report somebody when they've had a reaction to the vaccines are going to be huge as well. Were you still there when they started the vaccination program or had you left? Because you say that you left when they made the vaccine mandatory. Did you

see it happening before that? I started to wake up during, really when they started declaring two weeks to flatten the curve and I started seeing people wearing masks in public. I knew this was not this was not a pandemic and there was something some kind of psychological operation going on. Because I had worked in the hospital for the swine flu scare and it wasn't a thing in the hospital. Like it was just regular flu. I even talked to people that were on the front lines like ER doctors and nurses and they said some of them even said that they got it and it wasn't that big the deal. So when they declared COVID, I was really suspicious. This is just a good. to be another vaccination campaign because they already had mandates for the flu shot for

health care workers for like a decade before that. And I had been doing the exemption every year. And the reason I did that is because the first year that they made healthcare workers get the flu shot, everybody was getting the flu. And so that was the year that we came up with the, it was just a rumor within the university lab where I worked, but everybody was saying it, that you get the flu from the flu shot. So ever since then, I just didn't want to do it. So during that whole year of Operation WorkSpeed, the only thing that's going to get us back to normal is this vaccine, I thought, if the flu shot never worked, the chances that the COVID shot is going to work is slim to nil.

And the amount of pressure for this one compared to the flu shot is astronomical. So there's something to it. So that made me actually not just look at the COVID shot, but look at all the other vaccines. and what I learned was they don't teach coders or doctors or nurses anything about vaccine side effects or adverse effects, despite the fact that they have codes to assign for vaccine effects. But I would see patients come in with like Gian Bray before this and the doctors would try very hard not to relate it to a vaccine. And there would be codes in there like adverse effect of flu shot or adverse effect

whatever. And those are supposed to be like a safety signal code. Like one of the reasons why the ICD-10 system, which is owned by the WHO, by the way, so every member state that is part of the WHO has to report these codes and it's for statistical monitoring purposes. So this is how they monitor pandemics. This is how they monitor cancer, like how many cases of cancer there are throughout the world or heart problems or pneumonia cases, this is the system that they use. And it's also supposed to be used starting in clinical trials for devices and drugs to look for a safety signal. So I thought with this COVID-19 vaccine, there should be a code for adverse effect of

this shot and it should be my job to assign it. So I did my due diligence and I looked into all the warnings and what could happen if people got the shop and then I looked at what could happen if people got the other vaccines and I started to realize that they had been varying all of the effects that people would get from vaccines and not assigning these adverse effect codes up until 2020 and then when the COVID-19 vaccine came out there was no code to report it so it should have been my job to collect that danger signal and I even went on a podcast called Deborah gets red pill was just a radio show in early 2021 right after I quit my job And I said, the COVID-19 vaccine is more dangerous that all of the other vaccines combined.

And that was with my, that was just an observation, but it was 10 years of medical coding experience. And then learning what I learned about vaccine side effects and all the cases that I saw, children in the ER constantly having XMR, rashes, or even anaphylactic responses. And then I look at the record, they just got a vaccine. but the doctor's not connecting the two. So when COVID-19 came out, people were having strokes and encephalitis and blood clots like I've never seen before. My own heartitis, they were getting COVID-19 immediately after getting the shot, like the same day or the next day, and then being hospitalized. There are people with paralytic problems, seizure disorders, blood disorders, where they couldn't even figure out what was going on because the patient was clotting and bleeding at the same time and they didn't even know how to treat it.

crazy stuff started happening just in the first four months of the vaccine rollout so it wasn't even available to the rest of the public yet but by summer of 2021 is when they started saying you at home like this is the hospital leadership they would have videos that they would send to all staff all the time monitoring COVID and they were really really pushing us to get that shot they were saying we're not doing as good as the other hospitals who are getting incentivized for meeting their vaccination quota and we weren't so they were pointing to us people who worked from home who never saw patients who never walked into a hospital you guys are spreading it around society and we're going to have to fire you if you don't get your

shots so at that point i i couldn't take it anymore i knew that my job had been to get them money for murdering patients and i was having a crisis of conscience over that and then um Before the vaccine went out, I decided I was going to be a spy at that point and just see if the vaccine really was as bad as old warnings said. And then it turned out to be far worse than I anticipated. And I didn't think that the chances would be very good that I would get an exemption because they changed the rules for getting an exemption. A lot of people got fired. And I didn't want to work for them anymore. I don't want to continue helping them get money to murder people.

Good for you. Good for you. Yeah, you really did have. That's what I chose to walk out. You really did have a bird's eye view of this whole thing because you're seeing the diagnostic codes as well as the treatments that are there. And so you could get a good picture of what was actually coming on and seeing the trends that were there.

That's very interesting, your perspective. Yeah, I've got something, and I apologize because we can't feed this to you so you can't that's all kind of talk about it and describe it. But I want the audience to hear what Lutnik, I call him lucky, lucky Lutnik, what he said in terms about the money that can be made off of this kind of stuff. And he uses an example of the vaccines. The United States government, the most powerful, the greatest customer, buys stuff.

We walk in. We're going to buy, this is an example I like to use, we're going to buy 2 billion COVID vaccines. when we buy it FISA and Moderna stocks are going to triple they're going to triple because then we say

everyone's going to have this vaccine if I after Jared Kushner negotiated the best daily could if Howard Lutnik walked in the room Howard Lennick would say what do you think

20% warrants 20% warrants right right what so we'd make $50 billion off of who nobody we didn't take from anybody

anybody doing it? Okay, the shareholders of Pfizer, who we've just tripled them with our order. Now, how many of my customers? Yeah, Zoe, what he's saying? Zoe, he says, yeah, the U.S. government's the most powerful customer. So we're going to go in and I'm going to buy $2 billion

worth of these vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna. We're going to force people to take them. He goes, so I'm looking at this. I'm saying, well, I'm going to get some 20% warrants. I want some action of that. I know what's going to happen with all this. And he says, you know, and who have we harmed with all this stuff. It's like the people who got the shot, obviously. But he doesn't even see that. He sees nothing but dollar signs. This is the guy, of course, that is now the

Commerce Secretary for Trump. And he's the guy who's pushing through the stable coins and all the rest of the stuff. Makes you wonder what he is going to be doing to us with the stable coins and the resetting of the financial system. These are people who see nothing other than money. And they don't care what they have to do to other people in order to make money. It truly is amazing, the greed and the system and the corruption. Right. It is so hard for me to wrap my brain around how many people they killed. It was a silent genocide that is still invisible. But there's no family that I've talked to in the last five years that hasn't been touched by it in some way. either someone they know is suffering from cancer or some horrible chronic condition after getting the shot or they've lost somebody like i lost my cousin who was 17 who suddenly just drove into a tree and they didn't do an autopsy or look into it and there's countless other people out there like that i mean this this was our family and people are still just kind of burying their heads in the sand and wanting to go on like it didn't happen

the amazing thing is still set up to where it could still happen again like we haven't even held those people accountable as a matter of fact we put them back in office again and so uh you know that's why it to me I look at it and what astounds me the most is just how effective the control of information has been that's why what you're doing is so important you've got to get out there and tell people what happened because as you point out all most everybody I know as well There's been somebody in their family, immediate or extended family that's been harmed by this. But everybody thinks that this is a one-off. It didn't happen to everybody else.

They don't realize that it happened how broad this is and how extensive it is. And they think that they're alone. Just like they wanted us to think that we were alone if we saw what was happening. And we weren't going to participate in it. Well, you're the only one who thinks like that. And we're not. There's a lot of people out there who saw what was happening. And we're on to this scam from the very beginning.

and I had the help of a person who gave me a heads up about a year before this happened. He said, there's a lot of chatter about Dark Winter 2. And he goes, you know what Dark Winter 1 was? And it was like, yeah, I know about that. And so when I saw all this, it was falling right in the pattern of all these germ games. The very first one was two months before 9-11. So I knew exactly what was happening with this. And also knew about the PCR test and what Carrie Mullis had said.

Talk a little bit about what you saw with the PCR. Right. So that was another part of the Pandora's box that changed right at the beginning of March 2020 when they declared two weeks to flatten the curve and changed our whole lives upside down. I noticed that before COVID, I worked in a university lab when I was in college, and we had what's called a rapid flu test. And it was something that way, it was a no swab too, or it could be a saliva swab. But it wasn't something that went all the way up to your brain, like the COVID-PC. SWAP did. And even the instructions, like us in the lab as lab assistants, one of the number one things we did was coach people on how to collect specimens properly because it was our job to like screen them, make sure they were going to work for the test. And if they weren't in a correct

format to accept for the test, then we'd have to tell the nurse or doctor, we need you to go recollect that specimen. So these rapid flu tests, they had to be done within 15 minutes. And it was basically a PCR test. It didn't have the same cycle threshold part. So it's kind of a predecessor to the COVID-19 PCR test. But it wasn't done on every patient that had a cold or flu symptom or a pneumonia at all. It was only done on patients that came in like with a recurrent pneumonia that they couldn't cure or a recurrent cold. And it would be done to try and figure out which types of medications this particular disease would respond to. So it was like a case-by-case basis.

It wasn't just everybody that walked into the hospital. And so when COVID-19 came around and they said, you need to stick this all the way up into people's brains, no saliva, and it has to be on every single person. Because, I mean, it really flipped it at one point. It went from, you can't get the PCR test, like because they had a drive-through where you could go out into society

at first and you have to go to one of these PCR testing centers and they'd say you have to have symptoms you can't get it unless you have symptoms and then people were mad that they couldn't get the PCR test and then like overnight it flipped you now everybody has to get it for everything you have to get it if you walk in the ER even if you don't have COVID symptoms and I thought that was weird we never did that before that is not supposed to be a screening test it's supposed to be a diagnostic test because a screen is done when you don't have symptoms it's trying to rule out if you're developing something. And they were telling us asymptomatic spread.

Well, I could see in the hospital, there's no such thing as asymptomatic spread. This six feet thing is made up. Masks don't work. I knew that from the very beginning because masks in the hospital had only be used for like collecting spittle over like a surgery case. It wasn't meant to like prevent germ spread. That was never part of our infection control. Yeah.

So I knew there was something up with these. PCR tests and I kept looking at the results and finally I find that it's done by a PCR and I recall my time at a university lab when we were just starting PCR testing because this was early 2000s and Mollers invented it like late 86 is when the NIH took it up and started using PCR so it got into healthcare early 2000s and all the texts like my mom was a medical technologist it was her job which actually ran one of these labs it was her job to you know run those tests and um They were all talking like this was like their new tech. Like they were kidded and candy store excited about it, this PCR thing.

But it was all genetic testing. It was genetic. It was done for cancer screening, which they thought was genetic. And it was done for like women that would like they would call it genetic counseling. If you're a couple and you're a female and you go and you want to have genetic counseling, you can see if you have like a hereditary disease like Huntington's. and then maybe decide if you want to continue with procreation or not. So it was genetic.

So I thought, why all of a sudden are we testing for viruses with PCR? Well, well, I wasn't looking because for 10 years, I was a medical coder. So I wasn't really looking at what was going on in the lab until COVID happened. So then I find it's by PCR. And I start looking at, well, there's obviously this problem with false positives. Even Elon Musk was saying, I got two tests in one day, one of them was negative, one of them was positive. And I could see the hospital was running over and over and over these PCR tests

waiting to get a positive result if they didn't get the right result. And I'm like, this doesn't make any sense. What is going on here? And fast forward to like after the PCR tests evolved a little bit toward the end of 2020 and the 2021, they had what's called a PCR multiplex assay. So it was four different viruses. they were actually monitoring. Flu A, flu B, R-SV, and COVID-19.

And the only one that ever came up positive of a whole year of running all four of these viruses was COVID. Not one flu, not one RSV. And they say we have an RSV pandemic now. It's such an amazing thing. And you know, we go back and we used to play the clips all the time of Mullis calling out Fauci

because, you know, Fauci used the PCR test to claim that AIDS was caused by a virus. And that created a big back and forth between them. And Mullis said, well, I'm not going to get involved in that fight. But I'll tell you this, that you can't prove it using the PCR test. It can't be used as a diagnostic like that. And so it was very interesting because they also did not isolate the HIV, you know, the virus that was supposedly caused AIDS. either. And so this whole thing has been kind of a bluff. What it reminds me of Zoe is the polygraph tests. My wife used to be a district personnel manager for convenience stores. And what they would do

if they would have, you know, massive shortages somewhere and they thought there was theft that was going on with the employees, they would call them in and polygraph them. And the polygraph did not work, but it only worked if people believed that it could tell them, tell whether or not they were lying. and then they would tell the truth about it and make a confession, right? So it was simply a mind game that was being played on the people that were there. That's exactly. Yeah, that's what the PCR thing is. It really is a mind game, except that it's become something of a lie detector for the people who are administering it.

We realize now that they are the liars who are putting this stuff out. I just had in a comment, Lance put up my producer, he said that video of Lutnik, where he's talking about that, it reminds him of this scene out of the big short, which we just went back and watched again because of the AI bubble. And at one point, this guy gets up and he's talking, and one of the guys who's onto the whole scam says, why is he confessing? And the other guy says, he's not confessing.

He's bragging. And that's basically what Lutnik was doing. He wasn't confessing about all this stuff. He was bragging about it. And he continues to get away with this kind of stuff. Truly is amazing. Yeah. Well, what's even more nefarious about the PCR test is,

so the false positive narrative that, is only, it's about the cycle threshold, but you're correct. They didn't actually sequence the, they didn't sequence SARS-CoV-2. So they never had a sequence. They have what's called a consensus sequence, which is an average that an AI came up with. And that's what they used, because they knew they would find this in a percentage of people. And then they could dial it in with the cycle threshold up or down. Same thing with the AIDS thing. They never isolated AIDS, and they use their antibody tests at first, which could be dialed up or down in the same way as the cycle threshold. And David Raznick, Ph.D., who I've interviewed, can vouch for that.

He's got all the science on his webpage to prove all of that. But what I was looking past the cycle threshold, because I knew this test is dialed in for some reason. Like they can predict the results somehow. And I needed to know how they were manipulating the test. And so I looked a little bit further, and I thought, find a document from the CDC that says for every COVID test, every C-L-I-A-certified lab, which is all of them, they all have to be in order to build insurance or anything, have to be C-L-I-A-certified. Then they have to send a genetic sequence to one of two gene banks, either NCBI or G-I-S-A-I-D gene banks.

And it listed like eight different sequences. So they're saying, you know, the variance in the details. But if you look at some of these labs that were running PCR tests and making all the money off running these PCR tests, they could also take that same sample off that machine, put it on another machine, run a sequence. And they needed to in order to comply with the CDC's directive to send genetic sequences to these gene banks.

And I interviewed David Raznick, who is a chemistry, professor who worked with Carrie Mullis and knew Carrie Mullis, I asked him directly, do you think that they were just clipping a tiny little section of the genetic code and then sending it to these gene banks? Or do you think they were getting the entire sequence? And he says, well, they're running a lab. They're busy. They're not really thinking about, you know, taking the time to clip out the sequence. So could they? Yes. But would they really do that? No, It would be so much easier for them to just send the whole thing and then let the gene bank decide which part that they want to determine is the variance of concern. Wow.

So they were, and you look at the different gene banks, there's one called DataVant, which is now a public-private partnership. You look at a human genome project, which is now BGI genetics, I think, in China, which is their biggest biotech company. And there's billions of billions of dollars in collecting our DNA. And what they say they're using it for is to, and now we have Larry Ellison actually admitting it day two of the Trump administration, that they're going to use AI, which is what they use to get the consensus sequence that they dial the PCR test in with. They're going to use AI to look at our blood and then make a drug or a therapeutic or a vaccine tailored to our individual. individual genome and now there's a massive industry of all these big tech oligarchs that are using AI to develop different vaccines or different therapeutics, biotech therapeutics tailored to the individual genome. So whether or not they're successful with this technology, there's a whole

bunch of money invested in it. So I think PCR was actually a data mining operation as well as a money laundering operation. That's interesting. Yeah. And of course, if they want to make a bioweapon that is going to target certain groups of people that makes it very easy to do that as well. You know, and when you look at the PCR, Handy who also has a substack, and he's been a regular listener and commenter on the program. He worked in hospitals, and he said he was suspicious of these things,

finally got a nurse to take one of these swabs right out of the package and run it through and got a positive test without swapping anybody. So some of these, it was, it was such garbage. I mean, either it's preloaded with something or the PCR test is just so off the charts with its magnification, whatever, we can find anything anywhere. Kerry Mullis said. Well, didn't the, the president of Tanzania, I think he did some PCR test on like a papaya and like a Coca-Cola and got positive results too? That's right. It's total nonsense and garbage.

And I remember when they had the con film festival, it was in the summer of 2020, and he had all these elitists who, Somehow they got there, I guess, on their private jets and didn't have to get screened it too much. But anyway, they're there and they were complaining that they had to do spit tests. They said, that's disgusting. We've got to spit in this thing and they got to test it and so forth. I said, yeah, so why don't they allow us to do a spit test, right? They got to ram that thing up your nose, but you don't get that. But the elites, the jet setters, the private jets, they get the spit test or whatever.

Oh, my God, that's funny. All this stuff would just so ridiculous. When I worked in the university lab, there was. as something called sputum testing, which is exactly that. You basically at hawkolugie into a cup. And like it was the most disgusting sample I ever had to deal with when I worked in the lab. And I make a joke in my book. We all were spared that they didn't make that the test that we had to do with.

But you're telling me that's what the elites do. Yeah, I think that's preferable to have that thing ramrodded up your nose. I guess I didn't have that done to me. So I went through the whole. thing without having a PCR test. Sorry. Go ahead. Me neither.

That was another reason why I walked out because if I were to stay in the hospital or stay working for them and get the exemption that I was going to have to take a PCR test every week. And I didn't want to have to take a PCR test. I was pretty sure they were going to be collecting our DNA with it or sensing if we're vaccinated or not or somehow timed that in with the vaccine passport. I wasn't entirely sure how it was going to work. but I knew that it wasn't what they were telling us,

and I wasn't about to play along. So that was another reason why I couldn't. And, of course, some of the other things, too, were some people did some, you know, zoomed in in the microscope looking at the tip of the swab and said, look at this, you know, here's one of the cotton swab, and here's this PCR thing. It's got all these spikes on it.

And if I run it across some of these things, those spikes stick and stay. So are they actually implanting something into you? You know, there's just, you know, there's just, you know, I did some research on it. And I found there were two chemicals on the tip of the swab. One of them was ethylene oxide. And that alone can, like, they were putting it, you know, way up in your nose where your pineal gland is your third eye, which is right at the top.

So putting that chemical right there is known to cause cancer. Wow. And so the more you do it, the more personogenic it's going to be. And then it also has a chemical property where it will basically block and calcify your pineal gland. So it, like, closes your third eye. and it's also a way that your brain can sense light. It's how your body basically like synchronizes hormones throughout your whole body so it can like change your whole endocrine system if you set off your, if you close or calcify your pineal gland. So all sorts of things could happen just with that one chemical.

But I think there was also graphene oxide on there. There was different schools that said they have been given these special masks even. that had graphene in them similar, like the exact same phenomenon about the fibers that actually move and respond to magnetics. Well, graphene oxide has a magnetic property to it. That's why they wanted to use it. But it's also supposed to be clean. So they were saying, like, we're using this to make it anti-bacterial because it has antibacterial properties. But both the swabs and some of the masks had graphically.

So if they can't inject the graphene fibers in them that could maybe do that. And if they can inject the graphene. I have no idea what that would do if you shove it up your nose over and over and over. So if they can inject the graphene into you, they can get it in there another way. And of course, I mentioned this many times too. There's a couple of different batches, each of them over a million of these shots in Japan. And they noticed that they were getting black particulates. I don't know if it happened because they didn't keep them at the super cold temperatures.

whatever, but they noticed black participants in these particulates and they said they reacted with magnets. Yeah, so what is that? But they would end of story. No more talking about that. And the Japanese government threw away a couple million of these vaccines because of that type of thing. But yeah, there's just so many issues there. And people have been lied to so thoroughly about all this. This is why it's not a dead issue. It is still alive. And they're going to try to do all stuff again. And since it worked so well, they will use the same tactics again. That's why it's very important to talk about these different tactics. And that's what you do with. Right. They're, they're moving forward with the MRI. I mean, they're not only putting it in our food. Like we've

probably heard, I'm sure your audience has heard about the bird flu and how they're doing the self-amplifying bird flu injections for poultry. And they're trying to get it in cattle. And they've had MRI shots in pork. So almost all, all the pork is tainted now since like 2018. Now they're rolling it out for pets. So now when you go in, you try and you have to get your annual rabies shot for your

pets. Now that's going to be M RNA. They're moving over to the MRI platform for all the vaccines. So Normies who might be a little like cautious about COVID-19 because they've heard the rumors by now, most of them, but they

haven't heard that now you're RSV, your flu, and a lot of, even like, the childhood vaccines are moving over to this MRI platform where they get to bypass clinical trials. So it still hasn't been, is this, this is an experiment that is now being rolled out to all our vaccines under the guise of, this is totally fine, this is normal science, we've totally tested this, but it's absolutely not. I mean, they've had, um, that's right, and people need to understand for like three years. for the first one, we just barely pass the first part of monitoring.

That's right. And people need to understand that the guy who boasted about being the father of the vaccine, first things he did, as you pointed out, Stargate thing with Larry Ellison, where he's talking about, well, we're going to use AI to custom design this for your genetics, and then we will deliver it with an MRA platform. And the person that they put in, as they chose to put in at the head of the CDC,

was Susan Monoraz. And that had been what, she was working on with BARDA and with ARPA H and these dark bioweapon companies that are part of the government and the military industrial complex and the bioweapon platforms and things like that. So there's all these different threads that tie this throughout the Trump administration pushing MRA for all these various things. And, of course, then, Brooke Rollins, who's the agricultural secretary, she decides on her own initiative that she's going to end this mass culling of chickens by authorizing the MRNA bird flu for chickens, and then they authorize it for other livestock as well. It is the signals are all there that this is all still going on, that Trump is right at the epicenter of all this MRNA stuff. And I guess what we can call now the MRNAI as an AI artificial intelligence. It's all connected together, isn't it?

Absolutely. It's a giant web. And it is going to be tied to our behavior scores and if we comply, how much we comply with it. Looking at who's monitoring the DNA, where they have to report the PCR results to, who's hiding the the adverse effects of the vaccine, putting that all together and looking at where are they actually, where are we reporting all of these PCR results and where are we reporting the COVID-19 case numbers? And now we actually have a code to report the COVID-19 adverse effects, but it's still not being used. So looking at that and trying to figure out where the

code was and why we're not able to report it still, I happen to find that every agency involved in monitoring COVID-19 cases and vaccination tracking specifically, because there's so many vaccine registries, it blows your mind. It's tied to national security. Oh, yeah. So it's a matter of national security if you participate in this scheme, we're not. Yeah, and this is all DARPA and it's all the military and the intelligence agencies and all of the dark winter stuff they had you know fouchy and the former head of the CIA was playing the role of the president during the first germ game of dark winter I mean it's all the usual suspects that are involved in all this stuff it really is a bioweapon that is

really targeted to the population and it truly is amazing I think they're even going to try and do more data mining they go even further than PCR testing with the wearables wear a rollout that we're getting now because the information like when I learned that our COVID-19 case numbers the PCR test is actually getting reported to foreign countries and our DNA is being data mined and they're able to tell if we've had a vaccine or not what's our ethnicity where we are how much money we make like they're layering all of this information and during operation WorkSpeed, they had a program called Tiberius, which was used in hospitals. There's different Palantir programs that are used in hospitals to monitor and manage the hospital

down to Lake Staffing. There was even a program that was part of Operation WorkSpeed called HHS Protect. And the hospitals had to report how many ventilators were in use, how many patients were there. I don't know why my camera just stopped. That was weird. Well, I still have audio. Literally just, I didn't do it. You're back. You're back. That's good. You're back. So they had this program that hospitals had to report how many ventilators, how many patients are in the ICU, how much randesivir we were using, what's our census report,

like all kinds of information that even the hospital didn't want to have to report in addition to all the other data mining we were doing. And that program was a Palantir program called Tiberius, which it's used in Gaza, and that's the one that they used to assign risk scores. Well, they used that here already in America during Operation Warp Speed to figure out if you were vaccinated or not, to target different ethnic groups for vaccines, and then to figure out where the countermeasures, as in where did the ventilators need to go, where did the randesivir need to go. So they've already had these programs in place that are tied into our medical records

and then to hear Larry Ellison say, we're going to use your medical records and your DNA, your personal data to design stuff directly to you. And then in addition, they say, we're going to put wearables on you. They're going to monitor your body at all times for the purposes of national security. And I don't know how that doesn't send shivers down the spine of every single citizen. in this country. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we look at their big data thing. They have to have total information awareness.

Remember how everybody was creeped out about that? And yet, that is what this really is, the implementation of this. The big data is looking at everything that you're doing, not just online, but they've got to get it out of cyberspace into physical space with all these other aspects of it. And companies like Palantir, they have been focused on geospatial intelligence and data mining and making all these, drawing all these conclusions. about people's politics or religion and so forth, based just on even geospatial intelligence. When they get to additional factors like this, they know everything about you.

And we're not allowed to know anything about what they do or the results. That's why it really is, at its essence, it is an information war, because, you know, it is all the information that's flowing in one direction, and they have an insatiable appetite to know everything about everybody. It is part and parcel of their control, this total knowledge about everyone and everything. And now AI, and especially companies like Palantir, have given them the ability to go through and collate this massive amount of data that they've been collecting for some time. Now they can make sense of it because it was so much information they'd been collecting on people. They couldn't sort through it with humans. And so now they've got the

AI that can sort through this. That is what's so concerning about all of this. it really is because when you go on social media and you're fed an algorithm of like which which post do you get to see today that's going to be how our whole lives are run and i don't know how many people have known complain about their algorithm oh it's just it's triggering me today or i don't know why my algorithm's all screwed up and it's showing me blah blah well imagine if that same algorithm is now your government gets to make decisions about if you're a good person or not and if you get to go out today or if you get to eat today or if you get to eat today or if you're if you get to use your money today. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's all about total control. And, of course, that guy, lucky Ludnik, Howard Lutnik, who was bragging about how much money he can make

knowing that the government was going to just flood cash into these pharmaceutical companies. Now he can go in and I can make money off of that, right? So he's got this insider information. He's the guy that's going to be doing the new public-private version of a CBDC. And once they know all your financials, transactions, all the rest. Any part of this puzzle would give them pretty much total control over

your life, but they've got so many different facets where they are monitoring and collating information about you that it truly is just overwhelming to even try to think about it. But again, it's the ignorance and the darkness that they have fooled everybody with. That's why it's so important what you're doing. And again, the site is thrill, kill, medical cult. and you're also on substack and people find that at z ow e dot substack.com and it's very important for people to use this information try to wake people up as to what's going on they've not only hidden stuff from people but they have in terms of inoculation the one thing they've inoculated you against is the truth and they've inoculated you against questioning what they tell people and that's

why you need to try to wake people up with sites like Zoe's as well. So is there anything else that you would like to hit? I just, if anyone is interested, I'm going to be doing a memorial for the people that we've lost to hospital protocols and vaccine injured, including women who may have had a stillbirth or a miscarriage due to the shot. Oh, yeah. So if you go to my website, there's a page called Vigil. And if you'd like to submit a name of a loved one, you don't have to tell us anything more, just the name of a loved one. You could even just put, you know, baby boy or baby girl, if you like. And we're going to be lighting a candle in remembrance of your loved ones. So if you like, please go and submit a name and we will honor

your loss. It's important. We cannot forget what they've done to us. And we cannot forget those that they have killed. That's absolutely vital. Thank you so much for what you do. Again, Zoe Smith, her website is Thrillkill, Medicalcult dot com, and you can find her on Substack at zoey.

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Well, let's take a look at the AI bubble. And, of course, it's kind of interesting. SoftBank, you know, we were just talking about Stargate Project, Larry Ellison and the bank that came in was this Japanese bank called SoftBank. They're very much invested in technology issues. And that was what Trump kicked off his second administration with. Well, SoftBank dumped every single share of Nvidia, and that had an effect on the entire market, not just on Nvidia stock. And remember, we talked about Michael Burry, the guy behind the big short, who sussed out what was going on the market, real estate market fraud and bubble.

And he focused on shorting Nvidia as well as Palantir. And so we've had a lot of big players and people who are very professional, very savvy, who are calling bubble. And so Envidio went down by one and a half percent after SoftBank sold all of their shares. And then, of course, Palantir is also going down. And Palantir was really the biggest bet that Michael Burry of the Big Short put on. It was actually when he did the big short of over a billion dollars, which is like 80 percent. of his company or his fund or whatever. So 84% of that short was Palantir and 14% or 16% was the invidia.

And somebody put this up, Inverse Kramer. So look at Kramer as being a contraindicator of what they should invest in. It said Jim Kramer remains undefeated. And so what they have there is a tweet that he put out as recently as the 29th of October. And he was saying, I'm taking my price target for Palantir from 200 to 250, exclamation mark. Well, it went from 200 when he said that down to now about maybe 165 or 170. As I said, he remains undefeated as always being the counter indicator of where things should go. And you know, when I look at all of this hype about AI robots that we got from Elon Musk last week and so many other

There's, you know, the AI hype, the robotic hype and everything. This is Russia and their robot that they wanted to demonstrate. Again, we always hear about Russian bots, right? They're talking about AI that is putting out narratives on social media. But here's a literal Russian bot. And people's comments about this, it looks like they used a drunk to teach its robot how to walk. See how it's walking there. And watch what happens.

takes another couple of steps and just like a drunk it falls down on the side watch this is coming staggering that goes down so let's hope that that is a metaphor for robotics and for AI again as I said last week a lot of people are looking at this and they said well you know what how does this end well there's only two or three combinations of this that could go either the AI hype and the bubble bursts and takes down the economy big time, or global economy, big time, or it is successful, and it takes everybody's jobs, and I said, well, there's a third alternative that it is sustained by the governments who use it to control us, and I think that is true of both AI and robotics.

I think that the best use case for all this stuff is tyranny and totalitarianism. Well, SoftBank dumped their entire NVIDIA stake, but they're not getting out of AI completely. So it's not a complete pushback against AI. They just decided that they would move from NVIDIA to some other platforms. They're still involved in AI. And they had just under $6 billion stake in NVIDIA. And the guy who is the head of SoftBank, his name is. go-to. I guess he's the go-to guy if he wants some tech capital. I can't say if we're in an AI

bubble or not, said go-to, adding that the sale was for capital and can be utilized for our financing. So he's not going to say that we're in an AI bubble because he's got some other irons in the fire and he doesn't want to take this thing. I can neither confirm nor deny that we are in an AI bubble. Yeah, but a lot of people have been confirming that. As a matter of fact, Zero Hedge pointed out and said, well, we've had four recent articles that are really must read. Here's the headlines. The AI bubble, watch out metric, has just snapped.

AI is now a debt bubble, too, quietly surpassing all banks to become the largest sector in the market. And Sam Altman denying Open AI needs a government bailout. He just wants massive government subsidies. So, yeah, we do the subsidies so we don't have. to do the bailout. So it had an effect, of course, on NVIDIA, but also on a lot of different stocks. The futures slid down as AI jitters return. And yet, no matter how many people come out, no matter how many people who are large and connected come out against this, you still have the

bubble continues to inflate. And another company was involved in that as well. Corweave, they rent out access to the AI chips. And they had some interesting issues there and setbacks as well. But this article from Free Thought Project is very timely. They said it is time to pay attention. Europe has just eviscerated monetary privacy. And it's going to be coming here to the United States next. They're basically starting down the path of banning all cash, state-run digital money.

It's a law that has passed, and it goes live in only 400 days. And so they're going to make it criminal to pay cash for anything over 10,000 euros. But, of course, that level is going to continue to come down. That's why you need to get into physical gold and silver. You've got to get out of this system. And that's what they're talking about. They have a lot of different alternatives in this Free Thought Project article. One thing they don't mention, strangely enough, is physical gold and silver.

I think that is the simplest, easiest, most direct thing to essentially short the totalitarianism. That's what you need to be doing. Don't short the market. Short the totalitarianism. Go to David Knight. I'll take you to Tony Arterman's Wise Wolf Gold. Have a good day. Thank you for joining us.

Thank you. Keith Regert says that there's only two possibilities for AI. It's either going to collapse the economy. It's either going to collapse the economy if it doesn't work out, or if it does work out, the use case is to take everybody's job and make everybody's jobs obsolete. Not a good prospect, if those are the two choices that are there. I think, though, that there is a third choice,

and that is that the government, maybe it won't take everybody's jobs, and maybe it won't collapse the economy, because maybe the AI bubble won't burst, but we will live under a dystopian control, surveillance grid because that's what the government will use it for. So there's a third alternative AI's killer use case folks is surveillance and control of us. And that's why the government is going to be so desperate to fund it, whatever it takes. If you want to know why gold and silver and Bitcoin are soaring, it's the debasement of the dollar in order to fund

the AI arms race, they said. And of course, energy is the reality factor in all of this. that's where it gets real. And that's one of the reasons why Bill Gates and others are moving back away from the climate McGuffin. The pandemic McGuffin gives them all the justification that they need. And they need to have this surveillance control and ID, this control grid that is there. They need to have that and they need to have artificial intelligence to run that. So they're pulling back from that because in order to have the AI control structure,

they've got to have massive amounts of energy. All right, and joining us now is Dr. Richard Restak, MD, and he is a neuroscientist as well, and he has written a lot of books on the brain, and now this is one kind of the nexus of our brain and artificial intelligence. So I wanted to get him on because we, as you know, we talk about AI and its impact on society quite a bit. Thank you for joining us, Dr. Restick. I'm happy to be here. Thank you, David.

You've written so many books and a best-selling author, and of course people can find this on Amazon. You've written so many books. What is different about the brain? What is different about this one? And why did you write this book? I wrote this book to announce and to discuss the dangers that are lurking, so to speak, in the 21st century and are unique to the 21st century, but are having an effect on the brain. and a negative one. So that we really are in peril

by eight different factors, one of which is the global warming. We have new diseases that are present in the 21st century that are increasing, starting with COVID and moving forward. We have

problems, of course, with the global warming, which we'll talk about in more detail. And then the internet, the effect of the internet, the effect of AI, memory, the alteration, the attempt to alter memory, almost to alter our memories of what the past was like. This is an ongoing enterprise by various governments in the world, including our own. We also have surveillance, the seventh, the surveillance becoming increasingly a surveillance society.

It's almost impossible to not be revealing things about yourself because there's surveillance cameras everywhere. where I can give you several examples of that just in my own personal life. And then finally, the eighth one is anxiety. All of these things are creating what I call an existential anxiety. People are being given information, but it's being molded according to the thoughts and the inclinations of people in power. For instance, let's take today's right out of today's New York Times on page A7. there's an article called

the air in New Delhi is life-threatening. And it tells the tale of the New York Times reporters who have spread themselves throughout New Delhi from 6 a.m. until late in the evening of a certain day

recently. And they measured the particulate matter in the air. And it was anywhere from 10 times to 30 times as great as would be considered. minimally normal. Now, on top of that, you have the statement that they state that the government is actually

trying to hide this kind of insight to the populace by spraying water and other things like that. It says that they're doing this around the measuring stations. And they're also losing data from measuring stations during the worst bouts of pollution. So there you have the molding of the facts, either denying them altogether or trying to improve them. So people say, oh, well, they measured it down at such and such a measuring station, and it was really not a lot of high. Well, of course, they were spreading water and other things to try to reduce this. So we've got a capitalist society here in the United States, which has a vested interest in pushing forward certain scientific,

points of view. So science is being put sort of in the back seat and there's politicians and other people, all of whom share one thing, capitalistic enterprises in which they're part of or which they are advancing. And a kind of crony capitalism where they can get protection and subsidies as well. And the control is being taken away from us because as I was just reporting earlier today, they're working very hard to make sure. that state and local governments can't enact any control on artificial intelligence. And that came up in the context of talking about how the manufacturers of tasers, also big manufacturers of police body cams, how they want to wed that to artificial intelligence.

And the question is, you know, what could possibly go wrong with that? If they identify you, they misidentify you as a dangerous criminal and warn the police about how dangerous you are, they could get people killed. Well, not only that, but all of these efforts set up a sense of anxiety and fear. Let me just tell you what happened to me in one morning, called a cab to go to a medical appointment, and when we started going down the road, I said to the driver, you know, you're not going the most efficient or the quickest way. He said, I know that. He said, but I don't want to go that way because there's speed cameras.

I said, well, you know, you're driving very sensibly and you're not speed. and I'm in no hurry, so what's the problem? He said, well, they take pictures of everybody that goes by those cameras because they want to see who's in those photos, in those cars. So I asked them to give me a reference for that, and he got said of, didn't say anything else for the rest of the trip. So when I got down to the medical building, I got in the elevator, and said in this facility, there is surveillance both obvious and hidden.

That's interesting. The Santa Claus was watching you now. This is all one morning. And then when I got up to sign in, I signed the board with an electronic pen, and I didn't see no signature. So I said, well, it didn't take. She said, oh, it took.

But we don't allow it to go on the screen so it could be seen. I said, why is that? She said, well, somebody behind you might see the thing and then remember it and use your signature to forge something somewhere. Well, first of all, there was a sign that said stand 10 feet back, and secondly, there's nobody else behind me. So there's three examples just drawn at random that were becoming an increasingly surveilled society, which is creating a sense of paranoia and a sense of fear. So the brain has to adjust to these type of things, David, and it's very hard to do.

And I think that is calculated. You know, they've been, they want to do this, even to the extent when you talk about these cameras, is taking everybody's picture, the flock network that is out there, this corporation that is saying, well, we can do whatever we want because it's in public space, and, you know, we're not government so we can collect this information, and yet they collect it in order to sell it to the government. So it's just one level indirect, but they not only grab your license plate, but they also do a complete profile of your car and all of its idiosyncrasies.

Does it have a dent here? Does it have a scrape there? What about a bumper sticker? So that it creates a model of your car. And so they almost have like, you know, biometric identification of your cars as well as of you. And this is now made possible because of the advances of AI. But this has been something that has been concerning me. I look at things kind of from a libertarian perspective.

And this has been concerning me for a long time. The idea that government is using technology many different ways, Internet, social media, things like that, to monitor and to manipulate us all the time. And to me, artificial intelligence just puts this on steroids. And so I think there is something to be anxious about if we're going to look at this. We should be concerned about it. Maybe not anxious, but we should be concerned about the goals of people who are putting this kind of stuff together. So, yeah.

Well, there's that. And then there's, if you can manage to change the present, you can manipulate the future. Of course, the real way to get it is to get control of past, as is Warwell pointed out. You control the past, you know, you can control the present and by the implication, control the future. And we're seeing alterations of materials, even government documents, government films, documentaries, things like that are being altered in ways that are not visible, not, I should say, detectable, not detectable to the ordinary. person. So they get ideas about what the past was like, which are wrong.

And don't show you as I mentioned in the book, if you were at a dance in 1850 before the Civil War and it's a film we're watching. Let's just say we're watching a film about 1850

and we're seeing people ballroom dancing all that. Then one of them pulls the side and pulls out a cell phone. And you say, wait a minute. We have cell phones then. Well, you know, there were a lot of things that were going on now that we're not going on in the past. And it's not to our advantage to try to pretend that they were. They weren't. We have to understand the past, understand the future. And we're not only creating situations that are false, but we're also, like in 1984, Orwell, created a character

called Commander Ogilvy. He was a war hero. He got all sorts of medals, and it was all the poets that were all told to honor him and so forth. Well, he never existed. He actually was made up entirely, and that's one of the things that the narrator

is doing in the job at work, is filling in photographs, inserting Oval V into historical events that happened, wartime scenarios, etc. And anyone reading it will say, wow, this is some man. Well, he was a complete fabrication. We're just about

at that point with Sora out, the AI out. Which could take you and had you, you know, to say let's get David Knight and have him leading some sort of a parade or whatever, and you know, suddenly people say, well, gosh, I saw him with my

own eyes. So what's happening is that the actual seeing is believing is being turned on its head. So that's no longer true. You're talking about a completely fabricated character out of Orwell. It's just recently they had Tilly Norwood, who was a completely fabricated AI personality. And the person who came up with it has got agents representing her. They got her out there as an actress. So I mean, it's like, so I've created an AI actress, which will do a lot of different roles for you. She probably does their own stunts

as well, I imagine. People in SAG, the screen actors guild, and they're furious about this. And I said, any agent that represents this AI character is not going to do any business with us. But we're already at that point. It truly is interesting. Yeah. And one of ways of neutralizing it is to create the situation that exists right now between you and me. You're laughing and I'm laughing because it seems funny. And it is funny. But it's a very serious purpose behind all this. It's all the matter to try to alter people's perceptions so that they begin to doubt the variety of what they're seeing. That's right. Yes.

And I've talked for the longest time about how the whole idea for the Internet was created by DARPA psychologists. And I've been concerned that it was all about psychological manipulation from the get-go with all of this. But as a physician and as a neuroscientist, I'd be interested in your take on what is currently going. on because besides manipulating the past by changing information about the past or you know memory holing it or writing a new alternative history of it they're also concerned and there's been projects that have been put out by DARPA and I don't know if they've been successful or not but they you know they're putting out requests for people to come up with things to manipulate people's memories so you've got a soldier they say it who's got bad PTSD let's get rid of that

memory. Let's give them different memories. What do you see in terms of someone who studies the brain and neuroscience? What do you see about that? What do you think is the state of the art with that? Well, my last book was called the complete book of memory. It had to do with memory. I studied memory in great detail. And of course, you have to do away with the concept that memory is like a video tape or something that you just store in your brain. And when you get and want to get it, you just bring it out, like you'd bring out a videotape. It's not like that. It's a reconstruction. Each time you think back to a certain event, you alter that memory so that you have memory one, memory two, memory three, on and on and all. That's the nature of

memory. And memory can be manipulated. It's always, you know, in the courtroom, they're always trying to avoid the contamination of the witness. The example that would be, well, which car went through the red light and to ask a witness? And he said, oh, it was a red car, went through the red light. Well, wouldn't surprise you to know that it wasn't a red light, but it was a stop sign, Mr. Witness. And, of course, his credibility is gone.

Yeah. Because he took the suggestion that it was a red light. Instead, it would be very easy to do because you don't know. necessarily have that image, that intersection in your mind. So that's why there's protections even in the courtroom against leading the witness, they call it. In other words, providing information that's either not true at all or half true. So we've got that, this is not, this didn't start in the 21st century, that that started, you know, as long as we've had courtrooms. This is more an emphasis now on altering memory, so people will not, will get

up there and under Krauss examination, they'll do pretty well because their whole memories but altered. They've changed by various mechanisms, suggestion, repeating information, which is false, of course, which is the missing information. It was a cartoon about a week ago by Ramirez, in which he's a Pulitzer Prize winner. He has three doctors in an operating room in a laboratory. one of them is looking into a microscope and he looks up and he says this is the most dangerous pathogen we have ever encountered and the second doctor says well is it bubonic plague is it smallpox

and then the one he says no it's misinformation and disinformation that's right and we've got to be very careful because many times the people who will tell us about that are the people who want to be the ones who define what the information is for us, and they will ask those leading questions. You know, when we're talking about leading questions and manipulating people, there's been a lot of reports about artificial intelligence, kind of people who have a particular psychosis or something, and they get involved with the AI, and it starts to confirm the things that they want, because that's what it is set up to do in terms of bias that want to, you know, be empathetic and sympathetic to people. And so it starts doing that and leading them further and

further down a particular rabbit hole. There's been situations of, you know, people got into severe mental distress, some suicides of some young children and other things like that. Speak to that aspect of it and the real danger of that. That is really kind of, I think, speaks to the, to the psychological aspect and potential of artificial intelligence. And that could be weaponized. Right now it's just kind of happening out of their business model, right? But that could definitely be weaponized against people. Well, I talk about that in my book

in the chapter on the internet. There are famous examples of people who have suicided right on the internet, live feed, and they've been manipulated at doing that by other people who've encouraged them, said this would be a sign

of strength, this would be a sign of the you're not afraid to die if necessary. And there's cases of it that actually led to the suicide. One of them is the most grisly I have in my book about a person who was talked into pouring gasoline over themselves and setting a match, all on open feed, internet. And while this fire is burning,

you can hear everybody in the background's cheering. We did it, we did it. We got him to do it. Wow. That's amazing. So there's something about the internet that actually brings out sadistic, criminal, psychopathic trends. And we don't know why is the fact that you don't necessarily, can't be identified. But it's something that is going to be influencing and has influence the Internet greatly.

And it will continue to do so until we understand it. I think that's one of the things that's so dangerous about the things that we saw with lockdown and other aspects. of it. There's an atomization here. And so many different ways the government and tech and tech companies are trying to make sure that we don't, we're not in person with each other. You know, many cases like, for example, in this interview, we couldn't do this interview if we both had, if one of both of us had to travel. We're able to do this because we can do it over Zoom or whatever. But just taking ordinary things that you would normally do in terms of interacting with people in school or in church or in your community or whatever, taking that

away and putting a screen between the two of you. It really does change the way people interact with each other. I remember Errol Morris, the film director, was able to get people to say all kinds of things to him. He got a murderer to confess. He got Robert McNamara to confess about the false flag of the Vietnam War. He got people to say all kinds of stuff because there was that distance between him and them. He could have interviewed them in person. But what he did was he put an interatron, which is what he called it. It was basically a teleprompter that he had set up so he could do two-way communication at the time. And once he had that distance there, then it completely changed the dynamics that he would have versus with somebody person to person.

And that's what we're talking about here, isn't it? Yeah, we're talking about that. And, of course, there's the gradations of this. And it continues. Like you're interviewing me. We're discussing. I feel like it's a discussion. If I were to say something that later I regretted, I could probably say, oh, well, that wasn't me.

That was my avatar. Or my agent, right? I got an AI agent that's out there doing some publicists. That's right. That's crazy. We also see, though, as a doctor, you're seeing people have noticed actual physical changes that can be observed in people's brains. I'm thinking of the story about the London taxi drivers who would do the knowledge. And they would find that as they memorized all these factual details and drew on that all the time in order to take people to, you know, this very complicated city with this complicated streets, that they had a particular part of their brain that was larger than the typical person.

And then they found that once they stopped doing that, it started to shrink again. And we're starting to see that happening with people in a lot of different areas of their life, that kind of atrophy. And it's physically observable, isn't it? Well, it is. You have to learn. You have to use the things that you have learned to do. Like I mentioned in my memory book, there's all kinds of memory exercises that you can do. I do them every day. And they're very easy, and they help you to continue with your memory, to keep it sharp. Give us some examples. I'm sure everybody would love to know that. I would all like to have a better memory. What kind of things can we do to exercise? Well, think about the fact that you never had to learn pictures. When you were an infant, a young child, a picture was something that you could, you know, may not know what you're looking at, but you could see it without an intermediary. Whereas language is something that you have to hear from other people. It's something that's sort of added on to the brain, okay?

So as a result, the most best way of remembering something is to make a image for it, okay? For instance, I have a little dog called a skipper key. Skipper key is a Belgian dog. He's a nice little fellow. But it was embarrassing to me when walking the street. People would say, what kind of a dog is that? And I couldn't come up with a name because it was such so complicated. And I thought, that's skipper key.

I didn't speak any Dutch or anything. So then I got this image of a small boat with a large captain with a beard holding a big key. so it was Skipper Key and I remember forever so I had the picture once I have the picture it's easy to do another way

easy way to do it and you can do that with all kinds of times all the time I was going upstairs before I came down to the office and I wanted to get my wallet

and I wanted to get my cell phone so I just had an image of a wallet in the form of a cell phone and I was walking up the stairs talking into the wallet cell phone. So I got up and I knew I had these two

elements to get. It'd be very easy to get one and forget the other. You have these images all the time. And the quickest, you know, this is sort of off the topic of the book, but if you want to have a firepower memory for

a load of things, it's up to ten things, and get ten areas that you are familiar with, that you see every day, and then you could put on those images the thing you're trying to remember. So if I'm trying to remember a loaf of bread, milk, maybe a batteries, I have a regular way of doing that.

I have like I remember the library that's near my home, the coffee shop, liquor store, Georgetown University of Medical School where I went, Georgetown University. University, Cafe Milano, which is a place in Washington, everybody gathers, and then Keybridge, Iwo Jima Memorial, and Reagan Airport. So that bread would be, for instance, the loaf of bread. I was looking at the window of the library instead of seeing books, I'd see bread, loaves of bread. And when I get down to the liquor store, instead of it being filled with liquor, it would all be milk bottles. So that's how that they get to it. So I have those 10, so I can get 10 items together without any problems at all.

That's great. Yeah, it's interesting you talk about the importance of a visualization. It's one of the things that I do in terms of preparing for the show. I have a lot of articles that I go through. And it's really when I highlight things or when I write them down, that's when I can remember them. If I don't do that, if I would just to read these things, I wouldn't remember them. But if I interact with it and write it down, that helps me to remember. it. So that is a kind of visualization there, I guess, as well. It is, it truly is interesting.

And what you said earlier about memory, not being something that is stored in a place as somebody coming from a computer science background, that was a very different thing. When you construct your memory, you know, how do you reconstruct that? I mean, that, that as opens up a whole new area of questions as well. In other words, if every time somebody brings up a subject, I mean, there isn't something that's stored initially to reference that and then rebuild from that? There's the interconnections.

You know, somebody listening to us might say, well, gee, this is called the 21st century of brain, but I haven't heard that much about the brain. Well, let me just link that up so that these things make sense. We have a new version, or I should say, a new understanding of the brain called the connectomic brain,

in which there's all kinds of interactions in the brain of parts of the brain, which you don't, we're just learning about. I use the metaphor of a bowl of spaghetti. You pull out one of the strains of spaghetti, and you never have any idea what it's connected to, how many other strains of spaghetti this is connected to. So if you think of the brain as being kind of set to make connections,

that's its natural processing. so it gets back to these things that we were talking about earlier you know global warming and memory and surveillance and all that how are we going to solve all those well somehow or other those things are connected with each other that's the take-home message to this book and the basic goal is to try to figure out what it is that connects these things what it is that would allow us to to buy a solving one of them, solve the other. And I mentioned at the end of the book, experts so far haven't done it. So it's useful, as Hayek said, to get ordinary people to give, when I say ordinary, I mean non-specialized people, to give their ideas. Gee, I wonder what such and such would happen. What would happen about global warming?

For a while there was, in fact, there's still experiments going on on the effect of sulfur. that would help the CO2 problem. And, you know, shooting sulfur up into the atmosphere. Of course, the reason for that was the volcano in 1980-something in which after that volcano in Hawaii, it was noted that the air was clearer and there was less pollution. So that's something to think about. Is there some way of using that particular sulfur experiment?

to decrease global warming. War, for instance, we don't think of war as a cause of global warming, but it is. Oh, yeah. Thermonuclear warning. Yeah, it's been put up since the Ukraine war and the Gaza war. Then, you know, a tremendous amount that's going to overcome and exceed the benefit of any of these things like, you know, of non-gassoline engines, but using electrical and things like that. Absolutely.

Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, shooting up rockets in order to put satellites up, you know. How many cars and lifetime use of cars from people would that be equivalent to? And you start talking about all the missiles that are being shot. And then you get to the explosives as well. It is really interesting how they focus us on their objectives for their ways to control us. The manipulation's been going on for quite some time. And so, yeah, that is, it is pretty amazing. And I guess that's my, you know, my, my, when you look at this stuff, it really does look like science fiction.

And I'm almost inclined to write it off when I first see it when DARPA is saying, well, we need to find some way that we can, you know, erase memories and people and insert new memories into them. I'm going back to total recall, right? So it sounds like something from Philip K. novel, but they're really working on that. And I guess one of the most striking things we saw, we reported on a couple of weeks ago. And it was a company that was bragging about how they could read your mind more accurately and quickly than their competitors because there's a lot of different companies that are doing this and how they could, it was called Brain IT was the name of the company.

And so they had a way that they would do MRI and they could, essentially train it on your brain in a much shorter period of time the other people, and they could get much better results. Our producers just pull this up. So what they do is they show you an image, and you're looking at that image, and then it's reading your mind and reconstructing what you're looking at, which I thought was absolutely amazing and terrifying at the same time. How is this going to be used?

I guess that's the real issue. When we start talking about all these different things, I think that is the real case that it's difficult for people to understand just how and how quickly the technology has progressed. And then to say, and how do we control this from it being used for bad purposes? Well, that's a specifically 21st century problem. Yes. Because all of these things have either originated in the 21st century,

where they have, in fact, further developed and become increasingly threatening. And bear in mind, we have to have to solve these problems because they're not something that's going to go away. And then the most important thing to remember, David, is that all of these things harm the brain, and the brain is the thinking processor that's going to save us. It's going to figure out what the problems,

what the solutions to the problems are. So we know now that wildfire smoke, for instance, it creates dementia. It enhances the likelihood of somebody becoming demented. So as the brain is affected, negatively, increasingly, over longer and longer periods of time, our ability to solve these problems is going to decrease. So we've got to do it now.

We've got to get serious about it. And this business of people getting up saying the global warming is fiction and all that is really very disturbing. Yeah, well, you know, the example that you gave earlier of the fact that the Indian government was manipulating the temperature at some of the stations there, that's a good. kind of works both ways. They have put some of these temperature stations on the airport tarmacs. And in the UK, they have a lot of the temperature stations that they've got there. They're just extrapolating the data. They don't have real temperature measurement stations

there. So it all really gets back, I think, to the scientific method. And that's really where we have to hold people's feet to the fire. We're talking about something like that. We can have an absolute standard of what truth is. And that truth is going to be being able to measure something accurately and being able to reproduce that. And then I think a good yardstick for that is when somebody is trying to hide their data, that's the clue right there that they're not doing science. Because if they're doing science and they've come to the right conclusion, they don't have a problem with somebody looking at their data.

And so I've got a question here for you from a person in the audience asking, you know, about Dr. James Giordano and Charles Morgan and their work with military. I'm not familiar with those names. I don't know if you know anything about that or not. The Giordano says familiar. What particular thing are they asking about them? I don't know. It just says they're work with the military.

I guess it would have to do with something, but you haven't heard of it. I'm not sure. I could say, Dear Dono did this or did that not. Sure, I understand. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the things that we have been anxious about. And, of course, as Christians, we have one answer to it. But you talk about how this is something. that has been, you know, around pretty much all of our life.

I mean, there was, I grew up with anxiety about nuclear war, for example. That was on everybody's television, and that was a forefront of our mind, especially growing up in Florida when the Cuban Missile Crisis was happening. They got us really afraid of that when I was in elementary school, you know. It's like, there's not going to be enough time for you to get home, you know, when the nuclear bombs started falling. And so, I mean, there's all these different ways that you can panic people. I guess part of it is how do we identify the real problems and how do we deal with those problems?

Because there's always things that are competing for our attention and our anxiety, many of which are not real. And usually the things that you're really the most concerned about don't happen. And it may be sometimes because you have taken a precaution about it. What would you say about that about anxiety? you're starting to break up a little bit. Can you hear me clearly? I hear you. Yes, yes. Sorry about that. You're talking about breaking up a little bit. You're talking about traumatizing a population. You know, what do we do to guard against that type of thing? And, of course, that's going to really escalate with the ability of AI to create a narrative.

Yeah, well, let's talk about it as a avenue to get into that. Let's go back to what you brought about. atomic weapons and the atomic war and the fears of the people that there's going to be another atomic war i mean you know this is not unrealistic there's even been a movie that's just come out that's getting all kinds of attention as you know and it has to do with the threat of a nuclear war things in the uh if you look at what's happening in the in the europe right now there's all kinds of suggestions that it could lead to a nuclear war i mean ukraine now has announced that they're under no conditions willing to give up any land. And Stalin is, I mean, Putin is thinking what he can do to change that.

But maybe he'll attack another country. I mean, this is scary stuff. So what's happening in response to the government is to try to show that, oh, we shouldn't worry about it. We have things under control. But I don't think things are under control. And we've talked about the problems. and we're talking about problems.

You have your final chapter is new ways of thinking. And I'd like to talk about that. One of the things that you say is Akham was wrong, Occam's Razor that people are familiar with. Tell us a little bit about that. Why is Akum wrong? Well, because he says that, you know, the entities are not to be multiplied,

meaning that we can always explain things best by limiting ourselves to the minimum amount of factors, ideally one, one cause of every effect. That's not true. It's certainly not true in the 21st century, where there's all kinds of interactions between factors and causes, so that Ockham was wrong in that basis. We have to think of an interconnecting pool,

just as in the brain of interconnections of neurons, interconnections of these problems, and they're all related. They're all related, all eight of them that I talk about in my book. They're all related. If you can figure a way of influencing one, you influence all the others. I mean, who would think there would be a connection between global warming and the amount of artisan and cheese, for instance, high-end cheese?

Well, there is because chickens don't lay many eggs, and there'd be all the various other things to come on in terms of making cheese. I learned that the other day. That was something that was a surprise to me. You know, it's kind of interesting when we talk about connections so much. There was a series that was on, I think it was on PBS. I think the guy's name was Burke. I can't remember his first name.

I'm not sure about the last name. But he had a series called Connections. And I thought it was fascinating because what he would do is he would take a whole series of connections to show how a particular technology had evolved. So he might go from, you know, the quill to the jet engine or something like that. And it was a fascinating, fascinating thread of things. It's very much like what you're talking about. It really is. And I did consult his work, actually.

Did you? I was writing this book because he did that connection. He did a book called The Day of the World Changed and all this. He also did a book called Circles in which he would start with one particular event that had cared in history. And if you go around the circle, you come back to the beginning. where it started, where this particular inventor invented something, what led up to it? What was the circle leading to that? So, yes, we're talking about connections, and we're talking about the inability to understand things

without reference to supporting and accessory factors. We have that going all the time, denying things that are going to be happening. Of course, I think the fearful thing is that the government is aiding in this denial. Because if you deny that there's a problem, then there's very little impetus to try to solve it. If there ain't no problem, don't try to solve it. They're throwing out their own chaos and uncertainty and anxiety that's out there all the time, always, I guess. So the question is, if you're talking about volatility, uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity. I mean, it sounds like a government policy.

I think they've got bureaucracies that specialize on that. Yeah. Well, actually, that's true. Yeah, that's in your section there about new ways of thinking. And so how do we incorporate that in a new ways of thinking that help us to solve this riddle? Well, each of those factors is a factor that helps you to understand things and to have more control. It doesn't necessarily mean it helps you to lengthen together. That has to be done by original things.

thinking. You have to be under those things involved. Well, you don't have a basic situation that doesn't change. It changes all the time. So the other thing that I want to emphasize most is that is the role of capitalism and all this. I mean, there's all this, like the private equity, the business of people having a point of view that is going to advance them financially. And that blinding them to the problems that are here, like, for instance, we talked about global warming. Well, the rich people, very rich people, are buying multi-million dollar apartments and condominiums, which have special air filters, which will keep the wildfire smoke out, and we'll try to keep the global warming effect at bay by superpower air conditioners. Of course, they're building their own bunkers, too. Yeah, they're doing things that are creating all kinds of chaos and, you know, weapons of war, mass destruction. They're out there building super bunkers in various places as well.

So I think they're somewhat pessimistic about what they're doing. Well, it's basically the idea is that, you know, we don't care about the ordinary person. We're going to survive. We're going to see to our own survival. And if we, in order to do that, we have to deny certain things that are, that are going on will do so. Now, incidentally, all of this is not conscious thinking. They don't necessarily say, well, I'm going to deny global warming

because it'll be to my advantage financially because all my investment is in the oil and gas industry. They don't do it that way. They come up with pseudo-logic, things that seem to make sense to them. But if they didn't have a financial thrust in the matter, they would look out upon it quite differently. That's right. We can always find a justification for what it was, what it is that we really want. Everybody should understand that if you're a parent this time of year at Christmas time,

you can always understand that people will come up with a justification for what they want. And that's as true of government as it is of corporations out there. And it's really dangerous when the two of them connect with each other. I think that's one of the things, you know, you talk about connections and the importance of it and how we can try to connect these different factors each of us individually. But I think it's the human connection. that is out there that is going to be essential for all of this it's going to be our collective uh work on all this what do you think about that would you agree with that

well i'd agree with it but there's so many things that are taking place now that are causing the uh shisms and uh yes splitting people into factors and belief systems and political points of view and that's very dangerous because then you can't get together any kind of unity even in the face of an emergency. Well, I think we've always had these factors, you know, factions and things like that, you know, the founders of the country warned about factions and political parties. But I think what makes it unique is that when you're interacting with people on a personal basis, you interact with them a little bit differently than if you've got that separation between you,

that technology is giving us now. Because now you're interacting with something that's abstract, it's not with another person. And there's also the body language that you're not picking up on. But it makes it easier for you to be harder on people when there's that distance there, I think. That's why I think, you know, the personal connection I think is really vital to making these connections and coming up with an understanding of what's going on. We talk about the hidden factors that are out there, hidden unrelated topics. Other people, as you pointed out earlier, just talking to ordinary people about what it is that you see with different things. I think that is the genius of the collective free market out there that there's so many observers who are looking at things and thinking about them.

And it's kind of their collective decision that is kind of guiding things along, as opposed to having a central planner who's doing that. What do you think about that? You've got in your final chapter a new way of thinking, you have what you call it sensible solution. What does that really involve? I'm sorry I didn't hear what you said. And what's the last part? You have a sensible solution. What do you think a sensible solution to the kind of stress and chaos and anxiety that we have,

manipulation that we have? What is a solution to that? Well, I think the Wikipedia is a good example of that. They have people from all walks of life, all levels of education, free to contribute to whatever topic they may want to do that. It may be helpful. I mentioned earlier about the effect of global warming on the making of cheese. There might be somebody who makes cheese that's going to come up with some idea.

You know, we don't know that. We don't know that that may not be where it comes to original idea about what to do about global warming. And you put it on what I'd like to think, and I hope it will be developed, a kind of Wikipedia where the ordinary person can feel free to put forth their ideas about it. Now, you say, well, we already have that. We have the Internet. No, we don't. The Internet is a commercial situation.

It's all done for making money and grab attention and all that. And there's no criticism of it. There's no pure review, if you will. In the Wikipedia, I mean, you know, people can write in and say, well, that particular contribution is bonkers. And then give an example why it is. That was a very good idea. And after that, you begin to get things coming together in understanding. unpredictable ways that may help us solve these eight problems.

Yeah, the problem is it seems like whenever you wind up having a form or a place where things can be, and that's true of the Internet. It's also true of Wikipedia. Then it becomes you have gatekeepers who are there. And we saw this in spades throughout the COVID stuff that if somebody's got a different idea, rather than debate them, the impetus is to silence them by the people who are in authority. And so that really, I think, is the key thing. And I think as part of that, we see a continuing rise in disgust and deprivation of free speech. People are not interested in the principle

of free speech. They don't want to have open debate. And I see this, regardless of where people are coming from on the political spectrum, there is a declining interest in debate and And thinking, you know, the debate is critical to critical thinking. And so the people who are in charge, the gatekeepers, whether it's Wikipedia or the internet or, you know, any other form of information, they are weighing in on that. And they don't want things that they disagree with. And it might be because they've got an agenda or it might be because they've just got a particular prejudice about something.

They want to make sure that the contrary views don't get out there. that that I think is a real key that's that's there and again this is part of this atomization that we have of people feeding that tribalism in a way that we've never seen it before using technology I would agree with everything you've just said exactly and I think we have to try to get beyond that but there we get back again to this business of people having their own personal financial point of view and position and pushing that basically on the fact that they look upon it as so maybe we're talking about a capitalism problem we've got capitalism that's what this country's all about but i mean it's certain parts of it now

we've gone to the point where people are unable to take another point of view if it's going to be financially harmful and hurtful to them yeah i i think that um you know we start looking at the tech companies i don't think that their capitalism would exist i don't think they'd have billions of dollars if they weren't unified with the government. So there's a, there's a symbiosis there that the two of these entities feed off of each other. And I think that nexus right there is the difficult thing. And so I think, you know, when I think of capitalism, I don't like to refer to capitalism anymore because I think of it as a partnership, a public-private partnership, some kind of a economic fascism where they are working together. but I like to think of a free competitive market where the government doesn't have any role except as some kind of a referee between two parties that have a conflict or something.

But, yeah, that's the thing that's really driving this. You know, many people, when they talk about AI, they said, well, you know, here's a couple different outcomes. Maybe this stuff really works the way it's supposed to work and it takes everybody's jobs and we wind up with a depression. Or maybe it doesn't work at all, in which case, the big AI stock bubble that we've got burst and everybody loses their job because of that. And I said, well, there's a third alternative, and that is that the government keeps propping it up with public funds because it feeds their surveillance and manipulation needs, their ability to surveil and to control us. And I really think that that's where this is all going to head. I don't really, you know, those other two things may happen, and they may be true. But I think there is a customer out there for the AI stuff that is driving all this stuff that has been putting out these proposals.

for the longest time, and that's governments, governments around the world. I mean, we look at the brain project that we had a few years ago. That was during the Obama administration, but things like the brain computer interface that Elon Musk and many other tech companies are doing out there, this neural ink, and there's a lot of them that are doing that. That's being driven by the government wanting to connect into our minds, hack into our minds, really, and they've been funding that kind of thing. So how do we break that?

Yeah. on the musk side it's he's doing it for money i mean obviously to make money that's right so that there's unholy alliance if you will between someone who's can't see anything other than the dollar and in another side the government can't see anything other than increasing power and surveillance over the population yeah that's right absolutely true well it's a fascinating book it's fascinating take on this and um and of course you've written many books on the brain uh the memory one very interesting and you do have sections about memory in this book as well. And people will be able to find this on Amazon,

I guess is the best place that they can find it, looking for the title of this. And it is, you know, it is something that I think we all need to think about how we're going to operate the effects that this technology is having on our brains in the 21st century, and that is the title of the book, the 21st Century Brain by Richard Restak. Thank you very much, Dr. Restak. Thank you.

Appreciate you coming on. Good day. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you. Very interesting conversation. Thank you. Have a good day. Folks, we're going to take a quick break, and we will be right back.

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All right, welcome back. And joining us now is Wayne Morrow. He is the CEO of the John Birch Society. And he's got something I think is very interesting to talk about. And that is Fabian Socialism. You probably heard this term before, but maybe you don't understand what it is or the difference between it and the Marx and Karl Marx's approach and how much more dangerous it is. You know, for me growing up, Fabian was a teen idol. And I saw Fabian socialism

was like, you know, what is that, you know, but actually it's a famous Roman general and the, and I guess Fabian's parents were Italian and I guess maybe that was the namesake or they might have been a socialist, I don't know, but anyway, it is important to understand the distinction because they have very different tactics that they use to achieve the same totalitarian goals. So joining us now as Wayne Morrow, CEO of the John Versus Society. Thank you for joining us, sir. Thank you, David. Appreciate being here.

And, yeah, it's Fabian's much like the Council and Foreign Relations, very little known about people in their respective countries. It's sort of that secretive behind-the-scenes group. You know, that's part of the plan, you know. And you mentioned, you told me just as we were talking here just before you came on, how you, there is also a book that the John Burr Society sells called the Fabian Freeway. Yes, exactly. A very in-depth book, yeah.

Yeah, it's a book we've written past and we republished it. We have our own publishing company called the Western Islands. And the Fabian Freeway is a book about the genesis of the Fabians at how impacted our even our U.S. policies and our foreign policies. It all ties together, but it's a real good book, and it's about 600 pages, so it's not a quick read, but it's in depth, and I think it's for people who are serious students about history, and what goes on today, surely I call we're the top of the puzzle box, you know, now we understand what goes on. That's right. That's right. But talk a little bit about Fabian socialism. You know, what was it about that general that they liked, and

And how does that tell us about their tactics? And how is it different from Marxism? Well, that's a good question. Well, anyway, the Genesis is, as you mentioned, quintus Fabius Maximus, he was a Roman general, very slow moving. He was very, you know, quiet, but he was slow and forceful. And much like the Fabians took his name, because that's the process they want. You know, their moniker originally was a wolf and sheep's clothing.

And they didn't work over too well. Figure that one out for a while. And they said, now we'll go switch to a turtle. I think the Republicans, Democrats, could use that imagery as well. I think that a donkey and an elephant. They could have a wolf and a sheep's clothing for both of them. They had to change their market because it wasn't going over well. But, you know, if you go back to the genesis of it all,

Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner were involved in forming this elite group. And George Bernard Shaw was certainly one of the members. The Webb, Sydney, Web, and all. And, you know, they were very open about socialism. And, you know, the dispute they had between Marx and themselves was they wanted to believe in the more of the ethical, slow-moving educational route versus violence. And so that was their goal. So, you know, they formed, you know, the London School of Economics. and out of that school, you know, they put in place various key legislators in government

and even in institutions around the U.K. And they knew that by influencing public policy, it didn't make any difference who was the elected official because they were setting the policy. And they do that today, as a matter of fact. Yeah, yeah. And so George Bernard Shaw was, he was also very large on eugenics. As a matter of fact, I don't have that. video clip, but if you can listen to the audio clip, he talks about once every five years,

this one, we'd have to stand up front of this board to determine if we should be worthy of staying alive or not. He actually said that, you know. So he's going to go, imagine that. Just destroyed my appreciation of my fair lady, right? Can you imagine? You can listen to them on, go believe me, and look them up, you can listen to the video, audio clip. It's amazing.

And, you know, and so every prime minister, every labor party member of the UK is a is a Fabian and so the Fabian's goal is always has been as we call it socialism but it's a slow walk to Marxism and what they wanted to do is govern every aspect of your life and force globalism so as you see now today with Kerr Starber who by the way is a Fabian as well as the mayor of London you're watching it happen the country being destroyed. And I have podcasts with folks in London. And I tell them, this is all to Q. This is exactly what the plan is to destroy their heritage, their history, to bring in usher in

world government. Now, when you say, when you say they're Fabians, is there still an organization that they belong as an active member like somebody would belong to the John Burr's Society? So they actually have the Fabian Society there? Yeah. Yeah, Tony Blair is a member of the Fabians, you know. Card Carrey a member, yeah. He's very active with, by the way, you know, with the World Economic Forum. Interesting. But if you go online, you can look up the Fabian Society.

They have organization in Australia. They're young Fabians, you know, but they exist. I mean, they exist today. And when I speak to the British, very few really understand the Fabians. Liz Trust, I met Liz's trust, a past prime minister. I was at a CEO conference. and I gave her my card and I said, I'll send you a copy of the Fabian Freeway.

Now she's actively doing YouTube phenomena because they said, you never mentioned the Fabians, Liz. But, you know, I think she knew exactly what they were. But the whole thing was, David, back in Woodrow Wilson's days, when he actually worked with Colonel Mandel House, another globalist,

they formed this thing called the Inquiry. And the Enquirer was a group of men we're British and U.S., and they disguised how are we going to work together and kind of really conquer the world as far as the political agenda and then eventually total. And so that was the genesis of the Council on Foreign Relations. So the Council and Foreign Relations, which is House in New York City, they and the Fabians work together as we speak today

and setting governance and policy. And they do that. regardless what the elections look like, they're behind the scenes doing foreign policy. And that's why we always look at each other. Why doesn't everything change? Well, that's because behind the scenes

the same folks have been working the agenda. That's what's going on. And we have to bring the light to the UK people as well as the United States that this group, these groups are hard at work directing our foreign policy but our future. And it's for

world government. It's nothing to do with freedom. And our job in the Bird Society is through education to make people aware of who they are so we know what to do. It's not mystical. It's not magical. It's not a beauty contest when you elect somebody. But we have to know the threats are real, and we see it today. Yes. It sounds very much like Antonio Gramsci, the father of the Italian Communist Party's strategy, where you wanted to march through the institutions. How is it different than Gramsie's communism? because, and I mentioned Antonio Gramsie because Pete Buttigay is what I call him, because he's

very proud of that. But, you know, his father spent his entire career at Notre Dame. That was really his specialty, Antonio Gramsci. And he had him go to Harvard where he studied under Sokvan Berkovich, who was also very much a fan of Italian communism. He changed his name to honor Sokho and Venzetti. And so, you know, that I've focused, I learned something about Antonio Gramsci because of Bouti gay, but I also called him Bouti Marx because that's really where they're trying to take us. But again, it is a slow march through the institutions.

And so what is the difference is it that one of them was Italian and the other one was predominantly English and American, kind of Anglo? Yeah, well, Gramsky was involved as Italian. He was from Sardinia. and he was, grew up in that area, the farm. He watched the farmer owners take advantage of the farmer workers. He actually has a book called David called the Gramsky Papers, prison papers, and that's about this thing I have behind me in my library. And it was written on toilet paper, by the way.

And he passed it to his sister, and it became the Gramsky, the prison papers. And Gramsky was, you know, a threat to, you know, the Nazis in Germany, and that's why it was called the Frankfurt School, and Hitler tossed them out of the United States. They ended up in Clubby University. And so the goal then was then to indoctrinate and reduce the morality of young college students and shoved down their throat socialism and communism. So now we have the professors from various institutions in the country about, remember that then the 60s, about the hippie moving all. That was. was all coming from the Frankfurt School

through Columbia University. Destroyed. They knew they have, this is what Gramsky said, David. We can't destroy the United States or Western societies. We talk to it economically. That's hard. We have to change them morally.

Because if we could do that, we could destroy the morality because that's the glue that holds them together. Then we can destroy them. And that's the whole story with the Frankfurt School, which ended up at Columbia University. If you think about of where we are back in the 40s to where today, you could see the morality of the United States going the other direction. And that's all according to plan. And that's why they got so heavily

involved in Hollywood in the entertainment business as well. Absolutely correct. And that's what happened. So they knew that's exactly one of the key points that makes the United States and what's the civilization so strong is our moral behavior and our beliefs. So that's what we see today. But that's a difference between the two. And so they're Marxists, but they use. But they used that social element. They said Karl Marx wasn't right. He thought economics was the only way. No, we're going to have to do the moral end of it. So they morphed it into another strategy. But it's all the same goal as total slavery. And you can see that very much in what Stock van Berkovich focused on there at Harvard. Everything for him was a product of Puritanism. And so we've got to

overthrow this whole, the Puritan roots of America. And we've got to attack it at its foundation. but he was really what he was trying to do was to attack the moral foundation of the country that's why he focused on that so much but everything he talked about was in terms of that you know well this is because of the you know the mayflower and everything got to get rid of of that but it is kind of interesting and of course we see other approaches as well you had people like um um um um uh bill airs okay uh they decided that they would they said well we've had class struggles over you know for Marxism in Europe that's not going to work here it's not working here that well so let's go to a race struggle so there's yet another approach that the communists have taken they've got so many different prongs to get all of them take us to the same hell don't they that's a lot of roads yeah we do the dirty work for them we have you know class struggles men against women that's another big one right now children against their parents, black versus white or tan. It's all about, it's all about conflict and war. That's the,

you know, that's the, that's their goal because they need that to enforce more rules and regulations of the government and less freedom. You guys can't play nice. Okay, well, we're going to incite that. And, you know, the Marxists knew that's one of the goals. And it's what written over a period of time. Lots of documentation on how that works. But that's the goal. So they're playing to our frailties of humans you know rich versus poor

black versus white tan versus white Chinese whatever doesn't make a difference because their end game is world government and they know that they can't have a lot of us so we have to we have to exterminate some so

I'll let those guys exterminate themselves and that's what we see you know and we're seeing that now in the UK as we start a conversation about the Fabians as I talked to the folks in the UK were watching their country and I used to live there at work there in Oxfordshire so I know the country rather well and I'm watching those folks being destroyed by the invaders on purpose but they're doing the dirty work destroying all their history

and in fact terror and terror into those folks in Ireland as well as the UK and they're concerned but I'm seeing a resurgence of the British citizen rising up, it was about a month ago you recall in London they had people marching with the British flag it wasn't 200,000 David, we had people that were there and they said it was more like 3 million people were there

and you'll see farmer trucks now marching into London with their tractors they don't want to be slaves and I've talked enough Europeans they don't want to be a part of the European EC any longer they're losing their sovereignty they love their history David, and they really respect

and when I travel throughout Europe when I live there, they really love their history and they love their heritage. It's being destroyed systematically and it does not work. One thing I wanted to tell you, which is interesting I found out talking to several of

the folks within, you know, past legislators, they tell me they get their news about the United States in two ways. CNN and the New York Times. What does that tell you, dear? Yeah, yeah. They need to get some different sources.

Yeah, you're going to see CNN. I go, what is that doing? And they're, you know, I'm in Hungary or I'm in Italy. I'm watching CNN. But that's how they look at the United States. I said, well, that's totally upside down, you know. Yeah. Well, I had a friend who worked in the Pentagon about 20 or 30 years ago.

And when I talked to him, he said, yeah, CNN is playing on the screen all over the Pentagon, all the different rooms and everything. Oh, yeah. That's a... Communism news network. That's right. It's very important that who you listen to and you know, and I've always tried to listen to various sources and I would go to the, I always preferred people who would tell

me what they think and why they think it, rather than the people who try to be this mushy middle like Time and Newsweek, you know. So I was always looking at the nation or National Review or something. something like that. Even though I don't support their views, I'd like to see that conflict that was there because a lot of times that would help me to understand where I stood on the issue. So I try to give these people that are opposed to each other. But most people just go for something like Time or Newsweek or CNN, and it's kind of the mushy middle that's put out there by the mockingbird programs that are out there for people. But that's why it's very important

for people to educate themselves. And that's a very important thing that you do at the John Burst Society. Tell us a little bit about the John Birch Society and how it's organized local. Well, we started 19, yeah, thank you. We started 1958, and our goal is education. You know, education is really critical for us, educating people about American values. Our job is limited government. You know, so people call us far right. That's not true.

We're actually constitutional matters, some form of government, but not total. All the left is all the isms, clearly fascism, right? And our job is to teach American. Americanism. It's not taught anymore. So we have free courses online, the JBS, that Orgy, about teaching about the Constitution. And we said, how do you elect constitutional matter of representative, state, local, or federal, if you don't know the playbook? So how do you hold them accountable?

And it's not taught on purpose. So now it becomes a personality contest. We don't want that. So we teach people Americanism, and we give them the history, and we show them who's behind the curtain. Like we mentioned, the Fabians, and the CFR, and who's forming foreign policy. And once people know what goes on, that's important. We call it a conspiracy. It's not theory any longer.

But the conspiracy says this. The first goal is to deny its existence. Of course. So we said, look, let's expose them. It's not us. That's why I have a thousand books behind me. Is that over the course of time, it proves that they does exist, and they actually come out and talk about it. It's interesting.

As we look through time and look through history, I always go back to my, UK experience where Otis Huxley was a Fabian. I'll go back to that for a second, to answer your question. And what happened is he was writing this guy was a young author writing all the information about what he heard, and he was so excited about it that he decided to write a book. And he said, I can't use my pen name. My name is Eric Blair. I can't use that.

I have to use a pen name, so I'll think my name is George and Orwell. George Orwell is really the Eric Blair, and he wrote 1984 about the fifth. Fabians. The question becomes, is why is it in 1984? Well, January 4th of 1884 is the foundational of Fabians. And they said, within 100 years, we have world government. That's why that book's titled 1984. Oh, interesting. I heard people say, because he wrote it in 1948, but yeah, that's the 100th anniversary. Yeah. I don't believe it because he was indoctinated by H.G. Wells and Alex Huxley about, we writes about Big Brother, Newspeak. That's all about the Fabians.

And now that Sid Vogue, I'm saying, hey, look, that wasn't done as a science fiction. That was really his telling you and he couldn't hold himself. He said, I have to really talk about this. That's why it's, and I personally believe that's why it's 1984.

It's 100 years of existence. And of course, I mentioned the Council on Foreign Relations is a child of the Fabians, and now we have an American version, and we have, you know, the European version. Work in unison. job that's in birch society is educate people what's going on to be personally responsible to elect constitutional moderates and constitutional-minded representatives state local and federal

so we can we can monitor not only our behavior but go back to constitutional based law and not ruled by elitists and that's what we see today yeah and so you know and it's important for people to understand how many different ways they come out of in order to set up a totalitarian government. They have so many different tactics and strategies. And, of course, one of those, I think that you're talking about Aldous Huxley and others like that, Huxley, Huxley, the technocracy that was there. I mean, talk a little bit about technocracy as well.

That's really kind of coming to us. People don't really know where to fit that, you know, because it doesn't really fit into the left-right paradigm. And yet that seems to be on the ascendancy as well. Talk a little bit about that. Well, you know, the story about technology. you know, but ex-have-fell used to be a member of the birth site, was a, where's the CIA?

He said, smile a lot because your picture gets taken about 300 times a day. That's right. More than that now, I guess. Yeah, you go bank, grocery store, going to get gas. But technocracy is a tool for monitoring and governance. And that's why you see AI data data centers and all every little thing that you've done. And they openly said this in the Bank of International. sell them is they want to have this digital currency where they can monitor any of your

expenditures from $100 on up so they can determine by checking China if you have a bad social score then you're not going to buy anything so if you think about technology is going to be their weapon or tool to keep you in line that's where I see it happening and they're doing it through a lot of different angles it looks kind of cool but that's really the goal well the things I began the program with today was talking about the fact that you know I I mention all the time about how artificial intelligence is really going to be a superpower for any kind of government tyranny, to be able to monitor you and everything that you're doing as you're just talking about, but also to manipulate opinion as well.

And that's why it's very concerning to me to see that this latest executive order from Trump that essentially presumes to prohibit any state laws that would curb things that are happening with AI companies. because I think what where that would really happen would be with the data centers. I think it's where the big conflict is going to come. Very true. And, you know, that is the bottleneck for them. And that would be one of the ways that you could limit them to buy a little bit of time to try to get some control of the situation or structure to keep some of these things at bay.

But, again, to prohibit that at the federal level. And that is in direct conflict with a 10th Amendment. And, of course, the Democrats will tell you that now, because they're not in power. But as soon as they get in power, they don't care about the Tenth Amendment either. But it is really a real concern about this concentration of power and the destruction of the Tenth Amendment.

And, of course, the enforcement mechanism that it's going to run through is going to be to use financial carrots and sticks for people coming out of the federal government. That's the way they always get around the Tenth Amendment, isn't it? Absolutely correct. Yes, the technocracy. That's exactly what we call technocracy. The techno bureaucrats, that's what they use, that technology, as I call it, digital prison.

That's basically where you're looking at. And that's kind of where we're at. And that's what they're setting up digital prison. So you can't go anywhere to do anything within your 15-minute city, whatever you want to be, to monitor where you are. So you lose all your freedoms. They're constantly coming up with different justifications to take us to the same kind of Orwellian hell that they want to set up. And that's why, you know, when you look at the Chinese communist, many times I'd look at them and say, okay, so are they, are they really communist anymore, or are they fascists? Because they've kind of merged economics and politics to a great extent there. And it's highly nationalistic and all the rest of these other things. So it's important to understand all these different strains, but then to not get boxed in by any of them, to understand these people will mix and match. They'll take whatever they can use, many, these different strategies. And, you know, when you look at them, if you were to construct a Venn diagram, it seems like. They're all starting to reach convergence instead of one little point of overlap, doesn't it?

Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, communism is just a tool. That's all it's a tool for global governance. It's not the be all end all, just like any other religious things that we see. It's got nothing to do at all. Matter of fact, the men who are globalists are not communists. That's a tool. They're not fascists, but they use that mentality.

But it's all the tool for world government. It's all going to come through the United Nations. And you see the UN. That's the center point of it all. And we have a magazine called The New American. And matter of fact, we're actually launching it in there called a New European. And I can show you this. Oh, good.

Yeah. Matt here, David, these are little bubble diagrams. If you can see this all, these are all the U.N. offices in the world. They're not just one location in the East River and Brussels. What are these people doing all these locations? Well, you're on the menu. That's what's going on. So you can imagine all those, you know, it's all over the United States.

So I'd be happy to send this to you in a New America magazine. We have this one called the Global Power Grab. We did this one. And I show this around the Australians and the New Zealand's and the UK folks and the Latvia in France. They were totally amazed the depth of the United Nations, all these offices all over the world. Yes. And they're busy carving up the world for global governance. So that's where our part of our job of the birth site

expose what's happening through education and making it aware of it. It's not too late because it's more of us than them and they know that our job, their job is to keep us off a message and looking at sports figures or Hollywood or this or that. The same time they're destroying our foundational principles of freedom. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I've had Alex Newman on many times. I've talked to Alex and a great guy there at The New American

and I've had other people as well from the New American. It's a great publication. And as you point out with that map, and you see all the different areas where they have areas of responsibility and actual physical locations and everything, I think that's a key thing for people to understand, is that it's not necessarily going to be, as you point out, in Brussels, when you say, well, there's the seat of government or whatever,

or the East River in New York. It really is not so much about that. It's about global governance. It's about this network of different, organizations that are out there. And that's one of the things that I see about technocracy is really that not just, you know, the electronic network networking that's out there, but actually the political networking that is there. And the interlocking of these different financial interests that are out there. So they can all have their own goals and

things, but it is all pushing us towards this global governance. And the technology is really giving them power that they've never had before. That's the key thing. That's really. concerning me so we saw that with COVID-19 was a good status set beta test for them how you had the whole world under control I'm sure they were absolutely laughing in amaze how easy it was I know I know I was absolutely astounded how easy it was for them as well and and again I think you know you look at the stimulus checks and all the rest of this stuff that was training wheels for universal basic income which was something that Elon Musk has always been focused on when you had Andrew Yang come out said he was going to run for president and that was going to be his

issue the main issue he branched out and some other things later on but as soon as he came out and said universal basic income you know i must candid him a million dollars you know he wanted him to push that idea well uh it got pushed really big in 2020 didn't it well that's all part of the that's all part of the program universal income to the yuan yeah of course it is yeah the whole job they they want you to be industrialists they want you to be collective, not individualists. And we fight collectivism. We believe in individualism, not collectivism.

That's all part of the rule. There's a called the herd mentality. And that's exactly what they need to control us. That's the end game is that world government. And they'll determine, as I mentioned, early on we started in the show, George Bernard Shaw, before

the Eugenics committee, who lives and who dies. And you may not have that choice. If you're a strong crowd of Christian or belief, you may fit into because they're amoral they don't have any beliefs the state is their belief you may not fit into their program if you can't be indoctrinated correctly you may be exterminated that's right and that's they're written about that so it's these guys play for keeps and it's serious and our job has been to expose their plan since the late 50s and really what they want to do and they're

very open about it not more so than ever because they feel like young adults have been so indoctrinated through the universities and school that socialism is good like we saw the last mayor race in new york city and can you imagine yeah yeah it's nothing's free you know schools have indoctrinated that but then we also have the situation where the you know the gen z people are finding it very kids are finding it very difficult to find a job even if they go to college they're finding it difficult to find a job and that is something i think that really drives this because again one of the things that socialism has always pushed out there i think is envy. You know, they find these different, at its core, I think, like Saul Olinsky, you know,

dedicated his book rules for radicals to Satan. And I think at the core of it, there's all these different satanic appeals to the evil aspects of our nature, you know, whether it's about greed, whether it's about envy, whether it's about hatred, racism, tribalism, all these different things. And they identify these things and seek to exploit them with these different approaches that they take, you know. And so that's why I think is you have to be aware of the tactics and the strategies that are there if we're ever going to be able to defeat them. Otherwise, we're just putting in their hands, aren't we? That's exactly. And you're exactly correct. That's exactly what they do. They pit one group against another, one philosophy, because it's all

about conflict. It's all about the conflict. That's critically important. But we have to identify what it is and expose what it is. That's really important. So we know the game. It's a sure-a- You remember the movie where we had with Julie Garland, Folly Ilovick Road, you know, and all of a sudden who's a man behind the curtain? Don't pay attention to him. Well, we expose who's behind the curtain, you know, and that's really what it's all about. It's really a plan. It's not done by accident.

And we see a lot of Kubuki theater. But the thing is, is that we identify really what it is. And to tell you what, it's very difficult for people to believe it because some of their, Heroes of the past were not good people. That's right. And I'm sorry, folks. Or the heroes of the present. Or the present.

Yeah. And I mentioned about George Bernard Shaw. The guy was, you know, think about that one. I mean, I can go on, but there's a lot of them. And they were not who they thought they were. I mean, it's, uh, yeah, he wrote Pygmalion, which was then turned into My Fair Lady, you know, the musical and the play. And, you know, we enjoy the music with that.

But, yeah, the guy who was there. And even when you look at all these different science fiction novels, they've basically become a blueprint for them. But when we're talking about how they like to set up conflict between different groups, that's why I think we really need to have our guard up about partisan politics, because that is another way they do it. They don't just do it by race or by sex or this or that. They do it also with political factions.

And when people buy into these things and start to excuse the actions of their leaders, what they really need to do is to look at the longer historical view and say, where were the Fabian socialist trying to take us? You know, where were the Gramsie socialist trying to take us? Where were the Marxist trying to take us? And if the actions of the person that's the hero of your party is going to move us in the direction of these socialist and Marxists, they need to pull back and say,

we're not going to follow that, even though that's part of our tribe here or whatever. I think that's a very important thing, you know, to keep the confidence. The elections change government, but institutions change nations. That's really important. They actually, Fabius even said that. They also said power shifts

from representation to management. And that's where we are. You know, it's left or right, you know, on the politics scene, the policy being set forward doesn't make a difference who runs back and forth. It's all Kabuki theater for us

because they're not setting the policy someone else is. And we identify who they are. That's really critically important. So it's all a big game in front of us, but we have to identify. really who they are what's happening and that's all part of what we do educate people and make it aware there's more of us than them but our job is to wake people up and sometimes

they don't want to they want to hear about it you know our job is to wake people up and telling really what's going on much like the story gave to the UK folks about the Fabians I said look they're destroying your country on plan oh it's not by accident it's not why you know I question you so do they still have a Fabian society people belong to because typically these things are done in secret, you know, or quietly. So you have secret societies, you know, things like the Masons or whatever. But, you know, people will be members of this. But I don't think, do we have a Fabian society that you have politicians that are part of here in the U.S.?

Or is that mainly the CFR that you'll see? Mostly the CFR. Yeah. Yeah. It's exactly. You know, it's a, it's a, it's more, what's a partner of with the Fabian. So back to Cecil Rhodes and Lord Milner and, you know, Wilger Wilson took. Mandel House, they had this thing called

the inquiry back in the 1900s or so and they formed this group and they went to the United States and the Council for Relations was born in 1921 and they're going to set foreign policy up marked through through David Rockefeller and today you have members of the cabinet 40, 50% of the people in presidential

cabinets were part of the CFR had Clinton, Eisenhower, all those guys were all involved in the CFR. They knew exactly what's going on so they were carrying the water for the CFR policy group And that's exactly what goes on. So it was all, it looked good, you know, but reality is, one of the stories that goes this way, you know, every year, every year, several years we have an election.

It's like when you're in high school, you know, the president of the student council, remember those back in high school? Community contest, yeah. Yeah, and by the way, I'm going to have longer lunch hours. We're going to have less homework, right? And all of a sudden they get elected and they're like, who's running this show? the superintendent of the principal high school, they never happened.

And that's, so I was the CFR. We have a beauty contest, which is a public, you know, either presidential election or congressional. And then, who's running a show behind the scenes? It's really those groups. Those unelected bureaucratic officials are unelected, and we

expose what they are. We have that book called The Shadows of Power. Another book that we published years ago called The Shadows of Power exposes the Council on Foreign Relations, War 1, World War II, Korean, Vietnam, and how they all

morphed into all part of the plan. That's called the Shadows of Power. So the Fabians is free ways about the Fabians. The Shadows of Power is about the Council and Foreign Relations. So once people look at history, they get pretty angry because they know it's all been a theater

for, not for us, but for them. And they play the game to make it look like you're running in the show, but you're not, you're just a victim of the globalist plan. I agree. And when I think of the John Burr Society, you guys have done a great job of educating people about the Council and Foreign Relations, the CFR stuff. And yet we still have these people run for office and I think you'll see them proudly

list that as part of their CV, you know, that, yeah, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. And it surprises me. It's like, you know, I'm part of this satanic group over here. But it's, you know, they see it as a, you know, because it really does have a lot of Pinnash or whatever or clout in Washington to be a member of that club. And they're proud of it. And we need to call them out on it.

We need to understand the history of it. And we need to understand really just how evil the actions have been and how that has really been there. So I guess in the UK, they still have people who are part of the Fabian Society. But here, you'll see it in the C.S. F.R. And they'll be doing the same type of thing. Yeah, Bill Clinton was a member, Madden Albury was a member, Robert Rubin was a member,

Ben Cohen, Larry Summers, George W. Bush was, got on Lee of Rice, Colin Power, Robert Gates, Henry Paulson, Burke Obama was president, scribe a candidate, Jimmy Gather, Susan Rice, you know, John Bolton, Henry McMaster, and Mike Pompeo, I dug Iowa on,

you see what's going on here. So they're there in strategic locations to monitor and steer public policy. That's what it's going on. So when you see this, and we hear this thought, Garza was a Democrat,

Republican, you get to the same place all the time. That's the key. And I remember when Reagan got elected, people were excited, oh, he's not CFR,

you know, and I can't remember the last time we had a president that wasn't CFR. And yet, what he did was he put CFR people in all the different positions

around him, you know. Yes, exactly. Well, Trump is not a member the CFR, I can tell you that. So he's not a member. But he's got people around and make sure he doesn't get too far off.

of the script, although he does. That's right. Yeah, I think what Trump is really as much as anything, it's the technocracy, because these guys are writing the checks there. I'm very concerned that, you know, we all know now what the CBD, CBDC is. And yet, I think the same thing can be accomplished with a stable coin,

and they can make a lot of money putting the stable coin out there at the same time. So it's one way they can get rich. They can get rich off of that, where they can't get rich off of the CBDC. And since everybody's kind of wise to the game of the CBDC, they don't realize that Stablecoin is still going to have those capabilities to be able to turn off your ability to trade and do other things like that. Tell us a little bit about the John Burr Society.

I mean, I know you guys have had a lot of fights and that type of that. Have you been hit with any kind of debanking or stuff like that? Because, I mean, I have. And I've been kicked off of PayPal and Vimmo and other formats like that because of things that I was saying in 2020 about the lockdown and the pandemic and the vaccine and climate change and all the rest of stuff. Are you seeing that kind of debanking and de-platforming in various places? Yeah, well, sometimes we say that we get too much of truth. YouTube will take us down for a while or something like that and then we'll come back on again.

We don't have that issue with banking per se, but they ignore us because they don't need attention. we get attacked you know we start to grow so they try to pretend we don't exist any longer oh that's when i first learned at the john burst society was when uh william f buckley was on a tear oh yeah yeah i think i agree with these guys and i'm with buckley so uh he's a c rome member by the way yeah you know think about it yeah yeah probably cia as well so cullen bones you know from yale you know i can go on he was a good guy right yeah sure you know his organization exists today they don't look at all don't look at all don't listen to those guys over there you know yeah okay yeah that's why he was he was a good guy that's

why mpr had him on that's right yeah right people go we wrote a book about that called the pipe piper of the establishment we wrote that book uh jack macs or past president you may have known him he wrote the book about buckley and he was you know he was all put together to make sure that he steers the the conservative movement their direction of the cfr in which he was a member of the cfr So, you know, it's like, you know, as they said, it's not matter of who, it's all controlled, you know, and he was control opposition. He's a very poster child for that, isn't he? Controlled opposition. Absolutely correct.

And people still hold them up as he was some, you know, super conservative. He was not. I remember, you know, Rush Limbaugh really idolized him. Yeah. I was like, man, you don't realize who this guy is. That's kind of telling of that. Anyway, it's, it really is a great organization and really do appreciate what you. guys do and again the uh the the quiet ideology reshaping policy uh from london parlors to dc power

is that a book or is that an article because that's how i found out about uh about that sounds like the fabian freeway that's what it sounds like okay that's the subtitle of fay and over yeah okay the jbs has been around for a long time we have area chapters we educate people on the voting record of their representatives and so we try to encourage people to be active participants in the process. How do you change your representative, David, is if you don't understand the Constitution, or at least go visit them and say, why did you vote on constitutionally? So we have this thing called the scorecard.

We printed out every quarter, and it talks about the voting record. Constitutionally, we picked them on Congress, you know, the Senate as well as the House, where they are. So people know if they're voting constitution or not. And it's our personal responsibility as Americans to uphold. Remember, the legislative representatives work for us and say, hey, why are you voting this way? And would they have not? I mean, representative called me and said, no one ever very rarely calls me on the phone and talks about anything. And so we can't, it's not, you know, we can't sit back. And I said, and one day we have a handsome young conservative to show up in Congress. It doesn't happen that way. Yeah. So my biggest goal is fight complacency in Americans, and its life is too good. And even though the economics today is hurting them, now they're listening, but life is too good.

And they have to, you know, we have to get behind and spend a little time protecting our sovereignty and our freedoms, but we have to know who we are first. And that's what we try to teach, Americanist principles, and hold up representatives who work for us to make sure that happens. I agree. Yeah. And that's what I liked about the John Bush Society was the focus on local activism as well. And, you know, knowing what is happening locally in your state as well. And I've seen what you're talking about in terms of representatives who say, nobody ever calls me. I saw the power of that. And I've talked about this on the program. When I lived in North Carolina, I was involved with homeschooling. And at that point in time, all of North Carolina's government was Democrat. Democrat House and Senate, as well. as the governor and all the rest of the stuff so the they decided the teachers unions decided that they were going to shut down homeschooling and it looked like they were going to be able to do it because it was all democrats and uh an active minority of homeschoolers which was really small at the time there wasn't a lot of people homeschooling uh there's so many more who were doing

it today but everybody got actively involved and started writing and it made them look so much bigger than they actually were and actually beat down the teachers unions in a Democrat state that we're going to try to regulate homeschooling out of existence. And so that was a very important firsthand lesson to learn. But it's difficult to get people to do that. And that's one of the things that John Birch Society does, I think is excellent, which is to educate each other about what is happening locally within your state and how you can take action at a local level.

I remember probably my earliest memory of the John Burst Society was to support your local sheriff's stuff. being concerned about the federalization and of the police. And that is something that is now really escalating, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, we actually have a, we have that group. It still exists called Support Your Local Police. We want to keep an independent and federalize. We have a group.

We have an affiliate, not-for-profit called Support Your Local Police. And we also have a, you mentioned school with the homeschool. We've been existed for 15 years called the Freedom Project Academy. It goes from kindergarten high school. We have live education, of course, online. Or you can buy a recorded version of it. And that's been around. So we're educating all over the world.

Adults are having their children sign up to learn really Americanism and who we are not fabricated history. And we're teaching how the kids how to write cursive and do math or read books. How about that for a change? And so we, you know, it hasn't happened in above a school, I can tell you that. And we spent more time in education than social, emotional learning. But the thing is, and you mentioned Allison and we wrote a lot of books about that.

But the thing is, is that so we look at education where our children or adults, bring it to view really who we are, what we're all about, because we've been indoctrinated. And we know that brainwashings has existed through all the mass media, David. All the mass media is, you know very well because you're in the media, business, that's all controlled about accounts and foreign relations. Every one of those, New York Times, other networks, including Fox News, it's all controlled media, and they all say the same thing, same deal. So guess what? That's the only thing you hear, that's the only thing you believe. So we said, no, time out. Let's talk about reality here. And it's hard

for some people to swallow, but once you've been red-pilled, all of a sudden the world changes. Like, now we see what's going on here. So that's our job on the birth to side. We did with kids with school. You write about the law enforcement. We want to keep an independent. We teach the Constitution. We get people involved. It's about education and get people activated and evolve. That's really important. I absolutely agree. Yeah. Get activated and involved. And that's how we save our country, as well as the people over in England. They see the problem now because they're watching their country be destroyed. And I mentioned the Fabians we first came on because that's coming attractions for the United States. What you see in Europe is a coming

attractions for here. Oh, yeah, just delayed just a little bit. Yeah. It's a warning. That's right. Yeah. And so, you know, getting back to the federalization of the police, you know, we look at these things and we say, okay, even if you like the guy who's doing it, and even if you agree with the stated goal, you have to look at this and say, yeah, but that policy is going to establish a precedent of the federalization of law enforcement. And so I know where that leads, right? So we pull this back. Okay, so let's Let's walk this back, and we have to oppose this, even if we agree with a stated purpose, that's the wrong way to do it. And it is so important that we not sacrifice the, you know, that the means does not, it's not just, that the end does not justify the means. That's how these people always get us there.

And it's understanding those principles and what America is about, understanding the Constitution and what that's about and why those things are there. those important safeguards against tyranny and understand that if we wipe those things away because it's going to make it more expedient for us to achieve this particular policy goal, we are going to pay the price in Long Island, aren't we? Nationalized Police Force is one of Marx's plan, and so that's where we're trying to avoid

keep them local and independent. Your sheriff is a very important person in your county, very important person, and I encourage people to know who the state, sheriff is and talk to them and making sure that you understand and they understand about America's principles and our in our rights and they have you have to know who the sheriff is so they know who you are much like a legislators and state legislature you know go back to our basics of our

country our United States were formed as independent states sovereign states and over a period of time David that we've given the states have given power from themselves to the federal government that's not the way it was supposed to operate. The government is supposed to defend us against public and domestic enemies, you know? And that's very limited powers. Look at Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, very limited powers Congress has, right? And government. And so we have actually given more power to the federal government, why it's all upside, side, and distorted it today. So we spend time with our local legislators in each state to make sure they would uphold the constitutional

responsibility. Each state has a constitution. The word democracy does not exist. It's always a republic. That's all another thing we teach people. That word does not appear in our Constitution or any state constitution. And people don't even know that. And I said, you have to understand states are sovereign. Make sure you make, this is where it begins. So if you look at our history, it was done with that phenomenal idea that keep them sovereign independent states. So those basic things I just said to you, most Americans I talk to do not understand that. Yeah. They don't understand that. That's right. Absolutely do not. And it's so important that we understand a foundation of principles and why these things

were set up the way they were. Actually, it's a good plan, you know, even though the Constitution has been completely violated. It's still a good plan, and we should try it someday in our lifetime, I think. It's like the Ten Commandments. It's not the Ten Suggestions, you know. That's right. That's right. And the Constitution, you have to know it before you can uphold it, you know. Mm-hmm. And everybody, pretty much, whether they're local or state or especially federal, they take an oath to the Constitution as a requirement of their authority. And so when they violate that, they no longer having a legitimate authority, but they do have a lot of power. And so we need to understand that we can have power collectively. And that's one of the things I think the John Burr's Society does bring to the table. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been a fascinating discussion, Mr. Morrow. Thank you, Wayne Morrow, the CEO. of the John Birch Society. Always great talking to you guys. We're like a quick break folks and we'll be right back. I want to talk a little bit about what's going on with cars here in just a

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who wrote Behold a Pale Horse? I'm sorry, I didn't see that comment at time. I'm sorry. And does he know about Jimmy from Brooklyn, who JBS interviewed, who I'm trying to get on your show. Okay. Well, I'm sorry I missed that. I'm very sorry.

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I remember a few years ago from JBS an email, history of, and I need to, history of Republicans, it was started by a communist. Does he know what it was? And what does he think of JFK? You know, it's interesting. A book I really enjoyed was an alternative history book by Harry Turledov. He's written a lot of alternative history books, and this one was about Civil Wars, called How Few Remain.

And in it, you know, you may know the history that Antietam, as bloody as a battle was, nearly was, could have been a victory for the South, except that one of the carriers dropped the orders. that he was carrying, and they fell into the union's hands. And so in his book, the guy said, hey, you drop those orders. Better pick those up. Can you imagine what would happen if the other guy's got that right? And so that causes an early end to the war. And pretty much all the major figures of both North and South survive. And the causes early into the war and the South to gain its independence.

and in the in his alternative history lincoln is entirely discredited because he lost the war but then he makes a comeback as this book is picking up a couple of decades on at that point time i think he's got stonewall jackson as the as the president of the confederacy and lincoln makes a political comeback as head of the socialist party and that's one of the things that made that book so interesting was he really did understand these people what motivated them and the things behind them. And so, yeah, there was an early connection with that. And if you look at, always think about the Pledge of Allegiance that was put in by the Grand Army of the Republic. Most of the veterans, especially if they were well-known or successful,

played an important part in the war, they got very big positions in the subsequent governments that were there. And the Grand Army of the Republic, which was the organization of Civil War veterans for the North had a tremendous amount of influence. They were the ones who instituted the Pledge of Allegiance, and it initially did not have under God in it until the mid-1950s. And so the emphasis was on one nation, indivisible, and that, you know, very harsh with that. And the pledge was done with one arms extended out, palm down, just like the Nazi salute. They changed it to hand over your heart because of the Nazi salute.

But, yeah, socialism and a lot of other things were there. And as well as the concentration of power, really talking about the destruction of the states as sovereign entities and the understanding that the states had created the federal government, all that stuff disappeared with a civil war. Go ahead. We have username, 01234, 6, 789, AI will be kosher, D-E-I.

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Gaza, Trump's anti-Semitism, Zar, and the Heritage Foundation's Project Esther. I apologize. I didn't see that. Yes. The conversation was too good. Garg Goldsmith says, curiously, people often claim Marx was focused solely on economics, but his entire worldview was cultural based on envy and hate. Yeah.

Conflict, yeah. The Gallian dialect. That's why, you know, we have to look at the different ways that they divide us. You know, it was very explicit what Bill Ayers and Bernan Dorn and the weathermen wanted to do. They wouldn't have a race war. Marx focused, the thing about economics was there, but that was really a class struggle, right? and the economics was a part of that class struggle, but it's always about dividing us. And that's why I said, you know, we're very careful about the Republican versus Democrat thing,

any kind of division that they can use like that. And when we attach ourselves to a different ethnic group or different political group, these different types of things, those attachments draw us away from the principles that can be the bulwark against the kind of socialist hell that they want to put us in yeah and mama c 1996 says i never learned so much as when i was homeschooling my kids that's right that's right that's excellent and um that was the thing that i really missed about it that was uh that was where i put all of my effort before i had the show as a matter of fact that was at one point um it was kind of bothering me because um i was filling in for Alex at the very beginning he said you know there's going to be millions of people listening to you

I said, don't tell me that. I need to hear that right now. Because I was not very much into public speaking or anything like that. And I said, no, the way I think of this, and that was in his original studio, which was really small and intimate. I said, the way I think of this is I'm talking to the guys over there running the board. I could see them. And I said, I'm just thinking like I'm doing homeschooling with my kids.

So I said, don't talk to me about millions of people listening to that'll freeze me up. So that's the way I always looked at it. And it was such a wonderful thing because it gave us an opportunity to go back and look at content that was compelled on us in the schools and to view it in a different way. And that's one of the things I've always said about biology and evolution. You know, when it's taught to us in the schools, it was always dumbed down into skeletons and death, right? For the evolutionist, death is the thing, the engine of creation. for us it is the giver of life and we didn't look at comparative anatomy of skeletons

we looked at the unique design of each and every animal and that was a thing that was so fascinating so it really is a blessing and an opportunity I hope if you have the opportunity you take that to homeschool your kids have a good day thank you and take a photo on a phone there is machine learning in the background highest quality video capture ever in a smartphone in the metaverse we're going to need AI that is built her

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