The David Pakman Show - 10/23/24: Obama roasts Trump, Trump Hitler praise goes viral

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

-- On the Show: -- A deep dive into MAGA and Donald Trump's climate science denialism, a very important but often underreported issue in the 2024 campaign -- Kamala Harris rejects an identity politics question about her gender from an NBC reporter -- Barack Obama roasts Donald Trump at a rally, hitting him where it hurts the most -- Donald Trump reportedly said that "Hitler did some good things" and is called a "fascist" according to his own former Chief of Staff John Kelly -- Donald Trump reportedly said that he needs the "kind of generals that Hitler had" according to a viral story from The Atlantic -- Donald Trump's rally in Greensboro, North Carolina goes horribly wrong as Trump has a public meltdown -- JD Vance is asked whether he will accept the results of the upcoming election and the crowd boos the journalist who asked the question -- A declining Donald Trump is unable to keep it together during an event with Latino voters in Florida -- On the Bonus Show: Evaluating real polls, fake polls, and enthusiasm to assess the upcoming election, Kamala Harris vows to double the federal minimum wage to $15, the trial for the man accused of a chokehold death on the NYC subway is set to start, much more... 🌱 Ounce of Hope: Get 20% off with code PAKMAN at https://ounceofhope.com 😁 Zippix Toothpicks: Code PAKMAN10 saves you 10% at https://zippixtoothpicks.com 🧠 Try Brain.fm totally free for a month at https://brain.fm/pakman 🍷 Naked Wines: Use code PAKMAN to get 6 bottles for $39.99 at https://nakedwines.com/pakman 🛡️ Incogni lets you control your personal data! Get 60% off their annual plan: http://incogni.com/pakman -- Become a Member: https://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Become a Patron: https://www.patreon.com/davidpakmanshow -- TDPS Subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow -- Pakman Discord: https://www.davidpakman.com/discord -- David on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave a Voicemail: (219)-2DAVIDP

. Welcome everybody. Just mere days remain and then it will all be over and then the next phase will start a very interesting interview that I want to play for you involving Kamala Harris. You know, one of the things some of you have written to me about include Kamala Harris's gender, the fact that she is a woman and that she would be the first woman president. And some of you have expressed the same question that was asked during this interview on NBC, which is why isn't Kamala Harris leaning more into the fact that she is a woman and would be the first woman president. Kamala Harris gives an answer here. I think it's an excellent answer.

And this aligns so beautifully with my view on identity politics. This is really good stuff. Let's take a look at it and then discuss. You've been reluctant to lean into it, to talk about the historic nature of your candidacy on the campaign trail. Why is that? Oh, I'm clearly a woman. I don't need to point that out to anyone.

The point that most people really care about is, can you do the job? And do you have a plan to actually focus on them? I hear you on that. That is why I spend the majority of my time listening and then addressing the concerns, the challenges, the dreams, the ambitions and the aspirations of the American people. They deserve to have a president who's focused on them as opposed to a Donald Trump who's constantly focused on himself. I think that's part of why people are

exhausted with Donald Trump and his approach, because it's all about himself and his personal grievances and not about the American people. Not this is one. I think this is the best answer. Kamala Harris has given on any question this entire campaign. She's pointing out, I don't need to talk about the fact that I'm a woman and everybody knows there's never been a woman president. Actually, a lot of people probably don't know that you would be shocked the things you ask people on the street and they don't know.

But the point here is people who follow politics know we've never had a woman president, but that's not something she needs to talk about. And one of the beautiful things about Kamala Harris's campaign is that she hasn't needed to say this is historic and I'd be the first woman president. And by the way, I'm a woman. It's all about what are the policies. And as I've said before, it's two different things to use identity to justify your presence or existence or candidacy versus to recognize the historic and impactful nature when we have milestones when it comes to identity. Nikki Haley wanted to be president.

Tool C. Gabbard wanted to be president. Marianne Williamson wanted to be president. They all would have been the first woman president of the United States, but their candidacies weren't interesting to me for reasons that you all know different with each one of the three of them. Kamala Harris is candidacy is interesting to me because she's running even to the left of Joe Biden, who arguably on paper is the most progressive president the country has ever had.

And yes, if she were to win, I would have a significant connection to, wow, what would it mean to my daughter to see that there is now a woman president, even though women make up 50 percent of this country and have for a long time, slightly more than 50 percent? We've never had a woman president. And now we do. That would be meaningful. But that's very different than the sort of identity politics stuff that I don't think

that many people support, but that maybe more people would expect. And this goes beyond Kamala Harris. The entire campaign has not been built on that. Now, of course, there have been groups like women for Harris, black women for Harris, white women for Harris, whatever. Fine. There's no problem.

It's the same as blacks for Trump. There are identity groups that will signal support. But as far as Kamala Harris's campaign with regard to identity and this answer, I don't know that she's given a better answer on anything this entire campaign. Now the topic of gender continued to come up during this NBC interview. She was she. Kamala Harris was asked, do you not see sexism as a factor in this race? And here's her answer to that.

I will leave. Do you not see sexism as a factor in this race at all? I don't think of it that way. My challenge is the challenge of making sure I can talk with and listen to as many voters as possible and earn their vote. And I will never assume that anyone in our country should elect a leader based on their gender or their race. Instead, that that leader needs to earn the vote based on substance and what they will do to address challenges and to inspire people to know that their aspirations and their ambitions can and will be achieved through the opportunity to do that. So she's not denying that sexism exists. She's not denying that racism exists, but she's pointing out that she doesn't go in

assuming that that's the number one prism through which people vote. Now I'll say what she's not willing to say. It is the number one prism through which some people vote, but not the majority. And again, just the right tone. I'm not here to play identity politics. I'm not here to talk about if I lose, it'll be because of sexism or racism. I'm here to offer the American people something. And it's different than what Trump offers.

It's not demeaning people. It's not attacking people. It's not saying, oh, it'll be the Jews fault if I lose or oh, if you're Latino and voting for Harris, you should have your head examined or whatever the case. Finally, finally, Hallie Jackson during the interview asks Kamala Harris, would you consider pardoning Trump? Now very different reactions to what Harris says here. So let's see where we land. It is entirely possible that the federal court cases against the former president will continue

on. He is, of course, facing those felony charges. Would you consider if you win and he's convicted a pardon for former President Trump? I'm not going to get into those hypotheticals. I'm focused on the next 14 days. But do you believe is there any part of you that subscribes to the argument that has been made in the past that a pardon could help bring America together, could help unify the country and move them, move on? Let me tell you what's going to help us move on. I get elected president United States. So there are some people who love this answer, who say, why on earth would she engage with that question? It's a hypothetical. It would only apply to federal, not state charges. We don't know the future of what's

happening with Trump's legal problems. Why would she answer it? She did absolutely the right thing. Now there's another group who said she did not rule out pardoning Trump. Why wouldn't she rule out pardoning Trump? She shouldn't do it. Nixon getting pardoned was a massive mistake. And the last thing we need to do is repeat the mistake that was made with Nixon for a man who has done far worse things. I don't lean towards that. I think whatever answer she gives, if she's definitive, it would be a problem. If she says, no, I will absolutely not pardon Trump. It could be seen as divisive, even though I don't want her to pardon Trump.

I think that's correct. But it could be seen as divisive if she says, yes, I will pardon Trump or I will consider pardoning Trump. I think there are people who would be turned off about that from the left in the middle. So I think it was correct not to give a specific answer. My instinct is that she would not pardon Donald Trump. And by the way, I don't think pardoning Trump, if such a scenario came up, would actually unify the country.

I just don't have any any evidence whatsoever to think that it would. I've been critical of some of Kamala Harris's interviews. This interview with NBC's Hallie Jackson, almost perfect, almost perfect going right at Donald Trump's perception of his own manhood. Former President Barack Obama praised at a rally Tim Walz's skills in doing mechanical work on his truck and sort of ridiculing Trump's vision of himself as the alpha male. This goes right to Trump's primary vulnerabilities. Let's take a listen.

Love that dude. Love that man. The kind of person who should be in politics. He's a veteran. He's a teacher. He's a coach. He's a hunter. Been a great governor.

He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a veteran, he's a teacher, he's a coach, he's a hunter, been a great governor, knows who he is and knows what's important. You can tell those flannel shirts he wears have gotten some wear. They come from his closet. Consultant didn't give it to him.

Tim's got skills. The other day I found out he can take a vintage truck apart and put it back together again. You think Donald Trump can do that? For that matter, do you think Donald Trump's ever changed the tire in his life? That's the guy. He gets a flat tire. He says, Chiefs, change that tire, please. His chauffeur. Point is, Tim will be an outstanding vice president. Barack Obama is very good at this. That's not news to any of us. But one of the things that has been done so much better this time around compared to 2020 and compared to 2016

is that we now really know it took a while. Right. We finally figured it out. We know Trump's real vulnerabilities. And of course, the vulnerabilities have increased over time as cognitively he has deteriorated and is increasingly feeble. So there's certainly more material to work with. But they're really hitting this guy where it hurts. Remember thinking back to the debate with Kamala Harris, how Kamala Harris just mentioning what go to a rally, watch a rally.

They're boring and people leave. It wildly triggered him and sent him for a loop. All of this stuff about manhood and whether Trump is alpha or beta Trump's concocted and contrived as we spoke about last week, a vision of or a version of himself, maybe better said, where he is the alpha male. In reality, he's really not. He doesn't have the muscles. He's actually obese.

He doesn't exercise. He wears more makeup than most people. His hair is dyed and transplanted. The whole thing. He's really not the picture of the alpha male, but he's convinced some people that he is. And what Barack Obama has done, what Kamala Harris is that they've found those vulnerabilities and they've gone directly at him in a way where people just laugh. And one of the things that egomaniacal narcissists with these alpha

view of themselves hate is when people are laughing at them. They often choose, as Trump has done, to pretend that people are laughing with them rather than at them. But Barack Obama is very, very good at this. Barack Obama also pointing out these posts from Trump in the middle of the night. What is he doing? Because there is absolutely no evidence that this man thinks about anybody but himself. I've said it before. Donald Trump is a 78-year-old billionaire who hasn't stopped whining about his problems since he came down that golden escalator nine years ago. And when he, I mean, and it's, he's complaining two, three in the morning. He's texting, what's he doing?

When he's not complaining, he's trying to sell you stuff. Have you noticed that? Who does that? You're running for president and you're hawking merchandise. Gold sneakers. $100,000 watch. for president and your hawking merchandise, gold sneakers, hundred thousand dollar watch supposed to be Swiss watch, he says the best watch. Why are you selling the watch? What are you doing? Speaker 1 That is the real question in general. What are you doing? What on earth are you doing? Barack Obama also very poignantly in this speech in Wisconsin telling the audience exactly

what we've been saying with regard to strength and masculinity and alpha and beta. Barack Obama points out the vision of strength that is put out there by Maga. That's not real strength. And he outlines what real strength is. He calls service members who died in battle losers when he calls our fellow citizens vermin. People make excuses for. And he always he's making a joke. He doesn't mean it. It's okay. The attitude is it's okay as long as their side wins. And I've noticed this especially with some men who think Trump's behavior is somehow a sign of strength.

You never apologize for anything. You're not accountable for anything. I'm here to tell you that's not what real strength is. Never has been. Real strength's about working hard. Real strength's about taking responsibility for your actions. Real strength's about telling the truth, even when it's inconvenient. Real strength is about helping people who need it and standing up for those who can't stand up for themselves. This is exactly the argument that we were hoping to make, not as eloquently as Barack

Obama made it last week in our discussion about the magosphere and the mega version of masculinity. It's a message a lot of people very clearly need to hear. Now, Fox News didn't love this. Fox News cut away from Barack Obama as soon as he started to make the case against Donald Trump. What I cannot understand is why anybody would think that Donald Trump will shake things up in a way that's good for you.

That I do not understand. All right. Live from Madison, Wisconsin, where former President Barack Obama is campaigning for Kamala Harris to Peoria, Arizona, where VP candidate and Trump running made. All right. So they didn't want to hear Barack Obama make a very good and convincing case against Donald Trump under two weeks to go in two weeks. It'll be over.

Let's hope. Right. It'll be November 6th. And let's let's hope that by then it's over. Maybe one extra day to count. We'll see which way is it going to go. It's a coin flip. I'll be on the Piers Morgan show today talking about exactly this. Hope you will check it out. Let's take a very quick break and then we'll come back with some explosive new reporting from the Atlantic and so much more. Looking to treat yourself for someone special. Look no further The David Pakman Show David Pakman dot com. Ounce of Hope has you covered with an impressive variety of delicious edibles like brownies, chocolates, caramels, gummies and even raw honey, something for every taste.

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And I'm going to go through it with you. Trump's former chief of staff says that Trump once said Hitler, Hitler did some good things. Let's listen to a recording of John Kelly explaining this. He would, uh, he commented more than once that, you know, that Hitler did some good things too. And of course, if you know history, um, again, I think he's lacking in that, but if you know what his, you know, Hitler was all about, uh, it'd be, it'd be pretty hard to make an argument that he did anything good. So what would you, what would you say when he said to you that Hitler did a lot of good things? Well, I'd tell him that.

I said, you know, first of all, you should never say that. But if you knew what Hitler was all about from the beginning to the end, everything he did was in support of his racist, fascist, uh, life, you know, you know, philosophy, so that nothing he did you could argue was good. It was certainly not done for the right reason. And, um, but he would occasionally say that. What would he say when you would lay that out to him? You just, you know, that would be the end of the conversation. Usually, you know, this is one of those things that has come up a lot in casual conversation, which is, you know, whatever you want to say about Hitler, the trains ran on time. The Nazis really knew how to keep public transportation running or whatever else the case may be.

John Kelly really defeats this by explaining it was all done for the wrong reasons. The context of that. I mean, listen, there are people in fascist regimes who sometimes they get medicine from the dear leader or like there's jobs, but the jobs are doing horrible things. This stuff about, well, say Hitler coalesced the German people or all of this stuff. The context is a disaster that should never be praised. Then John Kelly lays that out.

But the thing is, it doesn't matter to Trump. That's what we've learned for Trump. The motivations of Hitler aren't what matters. What matters is that Trump is enamored with these authoritarian strongmen who just do whatever the hell they want. Trump's impressed by that form of strength, strength that rules from the top rather than actually building a valuable and worthwhile community. And in these very recordings, John Kelly was also asked, do you think Trump is a fascist? And here's what he had to say about that. You what do you think? Do you think he's a fascist? Well, looking at the definition of fascism,

it's a far-right, authoritarian, ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized hypocrisy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy. So certainly, in my experience, those

are the type of things that he thinks will work better in terms of running America. You know, again, back to this issue of democracy is complicated, messy to operate, probably the worst kind of government there is, except

for all the other ones. I think Churchill once said that. And again, our Constitution, our founders built in to the Constitution and to the way our government operates. You know, this is not a guy that I would necessarily hire if I was president, which, of course, I could never be because I was not born in the United States. But this is as thoughtful a reflection as you can have on Trump ism from those that were within Trump ism, as I've seen.

And there have been plenty of good reflections, right? Cassidy Hutchinson and there are. But this is this is really good. Now, of course, immediately the reaction from Trump world has been, oh, John Kelly's lying. These are all lies. I just don't think so. There's we have a lot of evidence that Trump is a liar and no evidence that John Kelly is a liar.

Ambassador John Bolton appeared on CNN. His view is that you can believe John Kelly over Trump. Now, of course, Trump would say you also can't Ambassador John Bolton appeared on CNN. His view is that you can believe John Kelly over Trump. Now, of course, Trump would say you also can't believe John Bolton, but you increasingly have to believe that there is a calculated conspiracy to tell lies about Trump, uh, that are completely consistent with everything we know about him. So here's John Bolton telling Caitlin Collins. Now, I mean, you can take what he says to the bank campaign has attacked John's credibility, uh, in, in any, uh, comparison of what John Kelly might say versus what Donald Trump might say about a particular event or what

these munchkins on the Trump campaign are saying about John Kelly. Uh, you, you can take what John says to the bank. I'm absolutely convinced. I didn't hear many, probably most of these statements myself. But if John says that Donald Trump said them, I believe it implicitly. I think it's certainly this recitation of what he's done should be compelling to people not to vote for Trump. Trump said after leaving office, said it publicly, he would suspend the Constitution or terminate it because of the unfairness, the effort to steal the 2020 election. That statement alone, if he said nothing else, if he had never mentioned the words Adolf Hitler, that alone is disqualifying in my point of view. So if people are troubled, and many Republicans are, they don't like Donald Trump at all. I don't like the media commentators who say the entire Republican party belongs

to Donald Trump. Now, you know, it's actually even more than this. If you are not in the Trump cult, if you're just a Republican, but you're not in the Trump cult, you know that what John Kelly is saying is the truth. You know that it's exactly the sort of thing Trump would say because he's so in love with these dictators, so in love with these dictators that Hitler did some good things. That's exactly the sort of thing Trump would say. And by the way, I know that we kind of go back and forth on this Trump and the Jews stuff. Oh, but Trump's son in law is Jewish and his daughter converted and his grandkids are

Jewish. OK, what we have to look at is what Trump says. And Trump is already pointing in the direction of blaming Jewish voters. Despite being this tiny fraction of the American population, Trump is setting up to blame Jewish voters if he were to lose. I wasn't treated properly by the voters who happen to be Jewish. I don't know. Do they know what the hell is happening if I don't win this election and the Jewish people would really have a lot to do with that if that happens? Because at 40 percent, that means 60 percent of the people are voting for the enemy. Yeah.

What Trump is ignoring in this entire thing, it is absolutely true that Jewish-Americans are one of the most left voting blocs in the country. Jewish-Americans and black Americans consistently rejecting the retrograde values of the Republican Party and saying, let's vote for progress. Let's vote for a positive vision. Let's vote for something. Let's vote for a positive vision. Let's vote for something better. That's true. But there's very few Jews, relatively speaking, in the United States. And in the sense that you the election is going to be close. So in in the sense that Trump wants

to blame Jews preemptively if he loses, it's almost like saying, well, I'm going to blame those whose kids are involved in kids soccer. Statistically speaking, there are so many groups with more people in the United States than Jewish Americans. So why is Trump fixated on Jewish Americans? Your guess is as good as mine, but so far, total consistency from what Trump has said publicly and what he's allegedly said privately.

The Atlantic with further explosive reporting about Donald Trump's enamoration and infatuation with Nazi leader Adolf Hitler. The Atlantic in an article with Jeffrey Goldberg with some stunning, stunning reporting about the things that Trump has said in private. I'm going to put a couple of quotes up on the screen for you. Here's the first one. He the personal qualities displayed by Trump in his reaction to the cost of the Guillen funeral, contempt, rage, parsimony, racism, hardly surprised his inner circle.

Trump has frequently voiced his disdain for those who serve in the military and for their devotion to duty, honor, sacrifice. Former generals who have worked for Trump say that the sole military virtue he prizes is obedience. As his presidency drew to a close and in the years since, he has become more and more interested in the advantages of dictatorship and the absolute control over the military that he believes it would deliver. Quote, I need the kind of generals that Hitler had, Trump said in a private conversation in the White House, according to two people who heard him say it, quote, people who were totally loyal to him that follow orders. A campaign spokesperson, Pfeiffer, responded, this is absolutely false. Trump never said this. Consider that with every

single one of these quotes, we have Trump in public saying almost the same thing in public. Trump has said, I prefer my soldiers who don't get captured and attack on the late Senator John McCain. He recently said he doesn't respect as soldiers, generals who now disagree with him politically. Trump is willing to say this stuff in public. Is it much of a stretch that in private he says this sort of thing? I need absolute loyalty like Hitler had. Another quote, this one regarding this funeral that

Trump had promised to pay for and then didn't want to pay for. Quote, At a certain point, according to two people present at the meeting, Trump asked, did they bill us for the funeral? What did it cost? According to attendees and to contemporaneous notes of the meeting taken by a participant, an aide answered, Yes, we received a bill. The funeral cost $60,000. Trump became angry. It doesn't cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican.

He turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and issued an order. Don't pay it. Later that day, he was still agitated. Can you believe it? Fucking people trying to rip me off. This is exactly what we see publicly. A microphone glitches during a rally and Trump goes, do not pay them. Trump known for not paying bills. He promised to pay for rally communication, audio visual services. He goes into a restaurant. He goes, it's on me. Everybody get whatever you want.

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The link is in the podcast notes. As many of you surely know, Donald Trump is a terrible candidate for many reasons. His contempt for Democratic norms, his racism and xenophobia, his cognitive decline, his felony convictions, all of these render him completely unfit to serve. Period. Trump's first term was a disaster. Project 2025 suggests a second term would be even more extreme and horrifying. But one of the most singularly disqualifying aspects of Donald Trump's candidacy is something I'm afraid we've become numb to over time. And that's Trump's stance on climate change, which he has repeatedly called a hoax. That's not just a casual remark. It's a dangerous rejection

of reality. After experiencing devastating back to back hurricanes impacting millions of Americans, climate change denial really should be viewed as an urgent disqualifier. If we were living in a rational society, the climate emergency would dominate national discourse. But instead, issues like immigration at the southern border continue to take center stage, including phrases like they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs, even though the impact of climate change is far reaching and affects everyone, Democrats and Republicans and independents alike. And yet it gets pushed to this sort of back burner year after year.

We see new records for extreme weather events and they're getting worse and more frequent. According to Noah, climate related disasters are costing the US billions each year. Those will only escalate if we stay down this path of inaction. It's a national security issue that the military considers important. Every disaster we face today should be a reminder of what's to come. But instead of mobilizing to address this issue, Trump and other MAGA Republicans just keep denying the very existence of the crisis, sometimes even saying things like, oh, it's nice when it's warmer weather or more beachfront

property would be a good thing. They would rather prioritize corporate profits over the planet's health and the welfare of their own children and grandchildren. And when you look at Project 2025, you should be particularly alarmed. Not only would Project 2025 promote more fossil fuel extraction, but it would also defund FEMA. It would cut disaster response programs, even as these extreme weather events are becoming more common and more severe. Imagine being in the path of a hurricane, unable to get timely forecasts because Trump wants to privatize hurricane tracking, making it a pay for

service model. The economic consequences of ignoring climate change are staggering. In Florida, homeowners insurance has gone up 60 percent since 2019, largely because of the region's vulnerability to hurricanes that have grown more intense and more frequent. Even when you do pay for homeowners insurance, your claim might be rejected in the aftermath of a natural disaster like Hurricane Milton, a trend which we're already starting to see. And it's only going to get worse. The IPCC has been crystal clear. We have to drastically cut carbon emissions if we want to avoid a catastrophic outcome.

Even if we were to accept the Republican premise that illegal immigration is the absolute number one issue that deserves to be discussed more than anything else. Just imagine the effects that climate change will have on immigration over the next century. The U.N. has projected that by 2050, parts of the planet, especially in the tropics and the Middle East, will be uninhabitable due to extreme heat. Where will all of those people go? So even if you're someone who's super concerned about immigration, addressing the climate crisis still should be a top priority. But instead of tackling the crisis, Trump doubles down on fossil fuels.

He prioritizes oil and gas, dismisses renewable energy and ridicules wind turbines, even calling them Berv graveyards. They kill the birds. You want to see a Berv graveyard? You just go take a look. A bird graveyard. Go under a windmill someday. You'll see more birds than you've ever seen ever in your life. Trump doesn't just ignore the problem. He makes it worse. His administration dismantled environmental protections to keep air and water clean. He made it clear that health and safety

take a backseat to appeasing fossil fuel donors. Democrats are trying, but not doing enough. Biden has increased federal funding for climate investment, but he also presided over an escalation in fossil fuel production. We've talked about it. Trump's energy independence were more energy independent under Biden in the sense of producing fossil fuels. But it's arguably the wrong direction. Both Biden and Harris value economically thwarting China. So they've undermined our ability to import cheap solar panels and electric cars by putting in tariffs. And as a presidential candidate in 2020, Kamala Harris pitched a 10 trillion dollar climate plan whose public and private investments

would have dwarfed the one point six trillion dollars estimated federal cost of Biden's major climate energy, infrastructure and technology legislation. But as a candidate in 2024, Harris has been a little less ambitious as far as that goes. Now, during the VP debate, J.D. Vance dismissed climate change entirely. He called it weird science. But during the same debate, Tim Walz, who does believe in climate change, boasted about those record oil and gas production numbers under the Biden administration as a tool to thwart Trump's talking points. Fine. But as a long term path forward, not so good. The climate crisis is an issue where left and right should be able to work together on solutions in a unifying, bipartisan way. And we shouldn't shy away from the

kind of bold action that Kamala Harris pitched in 2020. That's where we need to go because the climate emergency is effectively here. Delaying action is a waste of time and it's also a public health crisis, rising temperatures leading to more heat related illness, respiratory issues from worsening air quality, the spread of malaria and other diseases. The World Health Organization estimates that climate change could cause an additional two hundred and fifty thousand deaths per year from 2030 to 2050, two hundred and fifty thousand per year.

Trump's refusal to take climate change seriously is ignorant. But like much of Trump's delusions, it's also deadly. It's not enough to ask why does Trump continue to deny reality? We have to ask why are we as a society tolerating leaders like Trump who not only ignore the climate crisis but make it worse? And it's not just Trump. According to the Center for American Progress, there are one hundred and twenty three sitting Congress people who think climate change is a hoax. So the denial ism isn't just about ignorance. It's also about profit. The recent Republican

debates showcase the denial when asked to raise their hands if they believe human behavior is causing climate change. none of the candidates responded. Vivek Ramaswamy openly declared climate change agenda is a hoax, arguing for continuing to use fossil fuels in the name of prosperity. And the result is this uninformed public that ends up feeling powerless in the face of a crisis threatening their very existence. A study from earlier this year found 15 percent of Americans don't even believe climate change is happening, never mind who's causing it or what to do about it. So what is responsible leadership look like in the face

of a climate emergency? Number one, we have to acknowledge that we're in an emergency. We don't even have consensus from the Republican Party that there is even change, never mind that it's an emergency. We need leaders who will move away from fossil fuels responsibly. None of us are saying stop the flow tomorrow, but we move away from fossil fuels while investing in renewable energy and the infrastructure required to support it. Trump's anti science agenda isn't just reckless. It's a threat to our future. Trump's policies cater to corporate interests at the expense of public health, at the expense of safety, at the expense of the environment.

So if we want to avoid disaster, we need to treat climate change like the emergency. It is. That means ending our reliance on fossil fuels, investing massively in renewable energy. It won't be bad for the economy. It will actually be good for the economy if done the right way. And we need to have buy in from the people at the top. Whatever issue these right wingers claim to be concerned about dealing with climate change would address it. They say they're concerned about immigration. Think of the demand for influx of people that

will happen if the displacement in the tropics and the Middle East due to heat takes place. If you care about immigration, you should want to do something about the climate emergency. If your concern is economic, if we can get away from a lot of these inefficient, dirty technologies, often subsidized by the government and move towards clean, renewable energy and all of the jobs that that energy and its required infrastructure would bring. Those concerned about the economy would also get what they want. We really can't afford to be passive in the face of this. Denialism isn't just ignorant.

It's dangerous. And put everything else aside. Put aside the crimes. Put aside the incompetence. Put aside the cognitive decline. Put aside all of the worst things about Trump. Trump's view on climate science alone should completely disqualify him and prevent him from ever being reelected in this country. Will that actually happen? We don't know. Data brokers are continually collecting extensive

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And of course, the mere fact that less than two weeks from the election, Trump is having to campaign in North Carolina and defend North Carolina against the surging vote share of Kamala Harris in the polls is a bad sign for Donald Trump. There are good signs for Trump, but defending North Carolina 11 days before an election, 13 days before an election is not a good sign. Trump slurring heavily saying that vice presidential candidate Tim Walz is the stupidest man to ever run for office. Stupid is the stupidest man I've ever seen run for office. Is there something wrong with that guy? He's always bouncing. He's going with his heart.

Yeah. As usual, Trump envious and jealous of the fact that Tim Walz appears to be able to connect with people in a far more real way than Donald Trump has ever been able to connect with anyone, even probably members of his own family. Quite frankly, Trump also now deploying a staple in a sense of his new campaign, which is an impersonation of Kamala Harris that I don't think is particularly good. You know, this is not exactly up to the caliber of Shane Gillis or Matthew Friend's impressions of Trump. If you're expecting that, it's not quite there.

Thirty two days, 32, 32. And as usual, Trump crowds who seem extraordinarily sheltered love comedy that just isn't funny. They love it. And the crowd really reacting to that one, as usual, in this mindset of everything Trump says he sort of means the opposite. Trump saying he's glad that Barack Obama or as he says, Barack Hussein Obama is campaigning for Kamala Harris, by which we can only be led to assume that Trump means he's terrified that Obama's on the campaign trail. They're bringing out Obama. I say, oh, they did that with Hillary Clinton. Good. They're bringing him out. The reason they're bringing him out because he doesn't want to do it.

I think he's I think he's exhausted. I watched him talk it. I think the guy's exhausted. And I never say guys looking old, but he's looking a little bit older, isn't he? You know, nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong. Of course, what Trump means here is he's terrified that Obama's out campaigning for Harris. It's Trump who is looking older and it's Trump who's actually the exhausted one.

The projection continued throughout this event, despite the fact that Trump regularly sleeps through all sorts of things. Trump says it's Kamala Harris who's doing the sleeping. It's a big group back there. You know where Kamala is today? They don't want to tell you. She's no, no, no. You don't know where she is.

You know where she is. She's sleeping. She took a day off. She's got no energy at all. She her speeches last for about 15 minutes. And of course, it is Donald Trump who has been canceling interviews and other events. It's Trump who seems exhausted. It's Trump who's been falling asleep at all sorts of events recently.

What's happening here is that Trump had a series of attacks and they were, oh, Biden's sleeping. All of a sudden, Biden's not the person that Trump is running against. So Trump has no choice, I guess, because he can't come up with anything better than to keep using the exact same attack lines against Kamala Harris, even if they make no sense in a completely backwards statement. Trump says, you know, who's going to make us healthy again? Bobby, Bobby Kennedy is going to make us all healthy. Make America healthy again. Come on, Bobby. Bobby's going to do it. Bobby, let's go, Bobby. You're going to make us healthy,

Bobby. We will make America strong again. There you go. Bobby Kennedy is going to make us healthy again. That's Trump's idea. And then there is no end to an authoritarian rally. Castro like painfully one hour and fifty four minutes in duration. It's not over until the orange man does the double jerk dance. All right. So Trump capping off another harebrained rally, the crowd disoriented and confused. Sometimes, you know, it's funny. There's a competition. There's a competition at Trump rallies. Who's more confused, Trump or the crowd? And sometimes it's really difficult to tell. It wasn't just Trump on the campaign trail yesterday. It was also J.D. Vance, known to some as J.P. Mandel.

We've endorsed J.P. right. J.D. Mandel. Exactly. J.D. Mandel, bloodthirsty magas booing down a journalist who had the audacity to ask J.D., Hey, will you accept the election results? Are you is that something boo? Any basic question that J.D. is unwilling to answer? The audience jumps in and just booze the report.

CBS five and three TV. Simple question. We're two weeks away from a lot of lot of fans here, as you can hear. Just one. I just heard one. That's okay. Go ahead, Dennis. And with this question, the election is two weeks from today. I'm not going to be asking you about four years ago, but from what you've seen, from what you've learned, are you confident in the Arizona election system,

and are you going to accept the results moving forward? Well, look, I think that we're in a better, I think that we're in a better place than we were in 2020. And I think that what we're going to keep on working on over the next couple of weeks, you saw this even in 2022, where some of the voting machines in Maricopa went down on election day. Now, whether, now, again, whether you think that was just incompetence or something else, it's not okay. We want every legal ballot to be cast and to be counted in the United States of America. So we're going to keep on fighting for election integrity. So that's not a yes.

But look, Dennis, sitting here today, are we going to get this perfect? Of course, we're not going to get it perfect, but we're doing a hell of a lot better in 2024 than we were in 2020. So the best message that I can give is to get out there and vote through whatever method makes the most sense. And look, I'm one of these guys. I don't love election season. I like election day. But as President Trump said, it is what it is. And if we're going to have early voting and mail-in voting and election day voting, I like Election Day. But as President Trump said, it is what it is. And if we're going to have early voting and mail in voting and Election Day voting, then we need to take advantage of every opportunity we have to vote.

Get out there. Yeah. So this is, of course, the correct message if you're trying to win an election, which is don't tell people vote in fewer ways than the other side is voting. Now Trump has gone back and forth between are you going to say that the voting methods other than on same day election in person are fraud or not? Sometimes Trump says it is fraud. Sometimes Trump says it's not. But what we can be sure of, what we can be sure of if I if I were a betting man, I would not bet on the election results.

I don't. It's a coin flip. It's really a coin flip. What I would bet on is that Trump will say he won. I think at some point in this thing, whether it's late on November 5th, early on November 6th, later in the week, I don't know. At some point, Trump is going to say that he won. Now for those who heard J.D. Vance's answer there and said, I don't know, he sounds kind of reasonable.

J.D. Vance's answer there and said, I don't know, he sounds kind of reasonable. J.D. Vance is completely unreasonable on this question. Here is J.D. Vance being asked during the all in podcast, would you have certified the 2020 election? And he says, no, he would not. He was asked to not certify it. Sure. Would you have certified? I'll ask you for that. Again, I would have asked the states to submit alternative slates of electors and let the country have the debate about what actually matters and what kind of an election that we have. You wouldn't have certified states to be clear. I would have asked the states to submit alternative slates. I think that's what I would have done. That's a no. It's they love to frame this as if it's a completely reasonable and fair thing. It's not about I wouldn't have certified. I would have gone back and I would have said to the states that Biden won.

Give us your Trump electors so we have them so that they're ready. And then let's have a debate about who won as if it's subject to debate who won when we have all of the evidence that Biden won and no evidence that he did not. They love to frame it like it's a reasonable thing. I'm not crazy. Listen, I wasn't going to go in there and just declare Trump the king. I was just going to say, hey, come up with alternate electors. Why? I don't know. Is there any legal basis? No. Come up with alternate electors and let's debate who won. See, I'm a reasonable guy. Anything short of

maintaining the schedule on which Biden would be certified the winner, given that there was no evidence that Biden was not the winner is an extreme view. But they figured out a way to couch it differently. Now, here's a video where the good liars caught up with J.D. and said, did Trump win in 2020? And J.D. says, yes, he did. Who won the 2020 election? Just answer. Did Donald Trump win yesterday? Yes, he did win. So will you, will you concede? Will you concede if your opponent gets your opponent gets more votes? All right. So as you heard there, Jason Selvig of the good liars saying, did Trump win? And JP.P. Mandel says, yes, he did. He won. Now,

back to J.D.'s event yesterday. It went wrong in just about every way. Just about everything that could go wrong. Did J.D. Vance's lectern sign fell off again? It can they not even get double sided tape? Right. And he blames Kamala Harris. And ask yourself what you can do from now until then to make sure it doesn't happen. There it goes. That if there's a Kamala Harris, put that sign up, ladies and gentlemen, I'm telling you, she did. She's already trying to steal the twenty twenty four election. Right. Isn't that funny? It's so funny to blame Kamala Harris for stuff. And then finally, J.D. Vance does not directly answer whether he wants to strip legal status from migrants who are here legally. This is a

critical question because Donald Trump was recently told, you know, that you keep calling the Haitian migrants in Springfield, Ohio, illegal. They're here legally. They're here with something called temporary protected status. Joe Biden didn't invent that. Barack Obama didn't invent that. It's been around since the early 90s. You may not like it, but they're here legally. They're here with something called temporary protected status. Joe Biden didn't invent that. Barack Obama didn't invent that. It's been around since the early 90s. You may not like it, but they're here legally. Trump has said, I'm going to get that overturned and we're going to deport them. J.D. Vance is asked, are you planning? Do you support stripping legal status from people who have it? Let's see if we can figure out J.D.'s answer. Hi, J.D. Vance. We talked a few weeks ago in Tucson. I'm Jose Angel from Telemundo.

I want to ask you a little bit because Donald Trump has said before that he will revoke the temporary protective status of some migrants in Ohio. And I want to ask you, what's your plan? Would you support that, the same thing for migrants in different communities, not just Haitians, Venezuelans, or Mexicans in general that are applying for asylum, which is basically a program that is legally based. And what would you do with them if you would revoke them or not? Well, there are, of course, so many differences between Donald Trump's approach to the border and Kamala Harris's approach to the border.

Notice how this is it's already off topic. This particular issue, I think that what Kamala Harris has done is she has used programs that are meant to help people who are escaping tyranny and she's used it to grant amnesty to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be. Now of course, Kamala Harris has done nothing. She doesn't control or have any say in those laws in the country. And that has to stop because here's what happens. Here's what.

So here's what happens when Kamala Harris grants millions upon millions of people legal status. OK, he doesn't answer the question. I'm not going to torture you with another 90 seconds of OK, he doesn't answer the question. I'm not going to torture you with another 90 seconds of video. He doesn't answer the question. He blames Kamala Harris for personally granting millions of undocumented migrants legal status, which she didn't do. She had nothing to do with it. The vice president has nothing to do with that. These decisions are made by various agencies completely out of the control of the vice president. J.D.'s events are not going well.

And there's a reason why of all the favorability, I believe last I saw favorability is like Tim Walls. People love him, followed by Kamala Harris, followed by Trump with J.D. Vance at the absolute bottom and favorability. J.D. reminding us of why that's the case. A declining Donald Trump attempted to use words to speak to Latino voters coherently, and it did not work. Trump held a so-called Latino town hall in Doral, Doral, Doral, Florida. Their pronunciation of these words never makes any sense, by the way. And Pizzagate rained its ugly head as a gentleman started talking about QAnon, Pizzagate stuff and organ harvesting.

And Trump just sits there nodding at the guy. Bonkers cuckoo for Cocoa Puff stuff. This one did not go well. The the the QAnon got into the house. Fire and me and our company to to the awareness of child trafficking. Now last year and I know this because we were involved in anti trafficking on April 26, 2023. Tara Lee Rodas testified before Congress that the U S is the middleman in this trafficking. And I've been to central America. Our kids, kids bought for pennies

on the dollar and they're sold. We know where they are. You know, none of these sponsors that they're handed off to have been vetted. They know that they're being sold into slavery, into sex, into body parts. This is straight up Q and on pizza gate stuff. And Trump just sits there listening and everybody pretends this is normal. And so we are the middleman. We're profiting off of this. And you know, Mr. President, when you become president, we need to follow this money because it's

it's dark money. You know, we're exploiting our children. But something happened after Tarly wrote us this just last year, testified there were eighty five thousand children. Yeah. So Tarly wrote us is a total fraud and a grifter. But putting that aside, even this bores Trump. Trump is doing his arms crossed pouting look where he doesn't want to hear another word

of this nonsense because it's all so boring to him. Trump also started a statement with the words, how would you like to be a woman, a little girl? Now, if you know anything about Trump, you would suspect that what comes after this is wacky stuff. And it is. Oh, and open the trunk of a car. That's how they they put them mostly in trunks of cars. How would you like to be a woman, a little girl, a little boy in the trunk of a car? That's how they find them. A lot of times they're dead because of the heat they drive through. By the time they get to the destination, they open the trunk and they find them. A lot of times they're dead because of the heat they drive through.

By the time they get to the destination, they open the trunk and they're dead. So so Trump continuing with the lurid stories that, you know, the funny thing about a lot of these stories and individually, these stories are tragic. I don't know who Trump is speaking of specifically. I don't doubt that in a country of three hundred and forty million, someone's been found dead in the trunk of a car. It's a tragedy. There's no doubt about it.

The thing that's sort of strange or funny or ironic or curious about these stories is that even if you accept the stories as true and you look at the details of the stories, there's nothing in the details of these stories that would make a logical person go, oh, someone was killed and found in the trunk of a car. I'm voting for Trump instead of Kamala Harris. There it's a it's they skip over. It's assumed that if Trump's stories are true, the lurid stories are true. Obviously, you'd vote for Trump instead of Harris.

They never actually make that case. They'll vaguely allude to she let in these millions of people, which, of course, she did not. She didn't do anything. But even if you grant them some of these stories, it wouldn't necessarily be a situation where you would go, well, obviously, obviously, I should be voting for Donald Trump over Kamala Harris. OK, next clip here, a completely unintelligible Trump just rants and raves with buzzwords

that he doesn't understand. And this is where it really went bad. Trump started to have a public meltdown. That angle is not there anymore. They tried it. They had solar. They had solar fields so big. I mean, I saw a solar field come and I'm in favor of solar.

But Trump saw a solar field come. I mean, favor of solar. But Trump saw a solar field come. I mean, he's like, what does that even mean? It's not the same thing. It's got to fire up these massive plants. It's not going to. But I saw a solar field the other day that looked like it took up half the desert. I never saw anything like it. So steel and glass and wires and it looks like hell.

There were wires. Wow. And you see rabbits, they get caught in it and every year for the environmental. Yeah. Trump now cares about rabbits, which is a tough one for me to believe. Donald Trump again, raising this line of it is other Americans who are the enemy within. And where are they going to go? And somebody who did that? Can you imagine somebody doing that? That's that's the enemy. I guess that maybe is the enemy from within. As I talk about, we have an enemy from within. They hate to talk about it.

And people clap. Yes, the enemy is our fellow Americans who have different political views. Trump again suggests that if he loses, there will never be another election. Mostly it's Trump saying this. Even Trump, though, Trump goes, oh, people are saying you're the one saying lunatic and we can't take a chance of losing this election because if we lose this election, we may not have a country anymore. We may not. We know.

And I've heard this from a lot of very smart people that the only people I'm hearing this from are Trump and Elon Musk saying this would be the last election. Trump now making a regular feature of his public appearances, saying that Kamala Harris has an IQ problem. See what happens on November 5th. You know, let's see what happens. But there's something wrong with them. Honestly, there's something wrong.

And there's something wrong with her, too. She's slow, low IQ, something. I don't know what the hell it is, but they lie. And of course, it's another instance of projection. Trump increasingly self-conscious about the fact that he is declining cognitively. So he says that Kamala Harris, who is obviously not suffering from cognitive decline, she's the one with the IQ problem. Her brain's not working. Now there was a surreal Kafkaesque moment at which a pastor said it was time to pray over Donald Trump.

This is not a war between the left and the right. This is a war between good and evil. So we can combat that. We can fight that in the natural we need spiritual weapons to fight it so prayer is one of them and i believe uh president trump is here because there's a purpose there's a higher assignment for him to finish with this nation. So we're going to pray prayer. The Bible says that let's pray for the will of God to come home. Meaning what's the will of God? The Bible says God sets up kings. If you're only listening, Trump has his head bowed and different people have their hands

on Trump's shoulders and back. He removes kings. We're going to pray for the will of God for him to be the next 47 president. Do you believe that? I want you to stretch your hands toward him. In the Old Testament, the prophets anointed the kings to become king. They're going to be anointing Trump now, except it's going to be with Diet Coke. So today we're going to do what the Bible says. We're going to be anointing Trump now, except it's going to be with Diet Coke. So today we're going to do what the Bible says. We're going to bring the will of God and we're going to pray for the president, for President Trump to be the next president. So I want you to stretch your hand and I want you to pray whatever you want to pray out

loud. But let's pray with all the heart. Father, we thank you. We come to you and we. All right. So then they you and we. All right. So then they pray and it's completely bonkers. And then finally, right as the cult members are about to start speaking in tongues, YMCA hits and that marks the end of another event is lower over his life.

In Jesus name. Amen. Thank you, Mr. President. I hope you can feel the Latino love. Thank you, Mr. President. I hope you can feel the Latino love. Thank you, everybody. Anyway, just completely whacked out. This is the choice.

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