The David Pakman Show - 10/25/24: Trump Rogan episode will be insane, patriotic Republican tells the truth

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

-- On the Show: -- Congressman Eric Swalwell released a brutal ad portraying Donald Trump as a dementia patient in a memory unit of a nursing home -- Donald Trump is asked about his upcoming Joe Rogan appearance and is barely able to put together a sentence -- An actual patriotic Republican is interviewed by CBS58 and puts country over party in explaining why he will be voting for Kamala Harris over Donald Trump -- A bizarre looking Alex Jones says that there is a race war coming, and that he has spoken to JD Vance about it -- McDonald's suffers two setbacks, Donald Trump's visit-gone-wrong and an E. coli outbreak -- Karoline Leavitt, spokeswoman for Donald Trump, attempts to pit Black and Hispanic voters against each other -- A deranged Fox and Friends barber shop stunt with Donald Trump goes absolutely terribly -- This week's Friday Feedback -- On the Bonus Show: The Friday Bonus Show with Producer Pat 📈 Manifold: Get free Sweepcash when you sign up at https://manifold.markets/pakman 🧴 Amallow skin cream: Use code PAKMAN for 15% off at https://amallow.com/pakman 🩺 Wild Health: Get 20% OFF your membership at https://wildhealth.com/pakman ⚠️ Ground News: Get 40% OFF their unlimited access Vantage plan at https://ground.news/pakman ☕ Beam melatonin hot cocoa: Use code PAKMAN for up to 50% OFF at https://shopbeam.com/pakman 🛌 Helix Sleep: Get up to 20% OFF all mattress orders at https://helixsleep.com/pakman 🛡️ Incogni lets you control your personal data! Get 60% off their annual plan: http://incogni.com/pakman -- Become a Member: https://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Become a Patron: https://www.patreon.com/davidpakmanshow -- TDPS Subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow -- Pakman Discord: https://www.davidpakman.com/discord -- David on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave a Voicemail: (219)-2DAVIDP

. We start today with a very, very rough campaign ad. This is one of the roughest I've seen. Eric Swalwell, Democratic congressman who's been a guest on this program. He has put out a new ad depicting Donald Trump essentially at a sort of memory unit nursing home type thing where people with dementia or Alzheimer's would be. And what's incredible about the ad is that the man who portrays Trump says things that Trump has actually said and the actors respond as concerned caretakers who say, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kind of in this let's humor him to keep him calm type of a situation. The ad is brutal. It's actually an ad that people who have had family members that have struggled with dementia, Alzheimer's said felt very real. Now I want to play the ad for you and then we'll talk about is it appropriate? Is this in some way inappropriate or offensive? But this is getting a lot of attention. Let's take a look.

We were so worried they're eating the dogs. He wasn't making any sense. People come in. They're eating the cats and he just kept getting worse. Let's take a look. Take the life of the child in the ninth month. Even after birth, they'll execute the baby. You sound crazy right now. Then a friend told us there was somewhere he could get the help he so desperately needed, called A Place for Trump. Person, woman, man, camera, TV. Now he has round-the-clock support and can enjoy the things he loves,

like eating cheeseburgers and rage-posting at 3 a.m. I know windmills very much, and they're driving the whales, I think, a little batty. Sure. So this November, let's vote to put him in a place for Trump because we all know he belongs in a home. Just not this one. I have concepts of a plan. Of course you do. So a lot of people are furious about this, saying that it is trivializing Alzheimer's and dementia. It's ridiculing or something that is very serious.

You know, I don't this is a rough ad. There's no doubt that this is edgy stuff. And I'm interested in the conversation that likely took place behind the scenes at Eric Swalwell's congressional campaign. But what I think is accurate about this ad is it contextualizes the insanity of what has become normal. You know, at the on yesterday's show, we played a clip of an interview with Chris Sununu, the governor of New Hampshire, asked about Trump's comments regarding Hitler did some good things.

And Sununu essentially said, yeah, I mean, listen, obviously I don't agree with praising Hitler, but it's all kind of baked in. Trump says stuff like this. We expect extreme stuff to be said by Trump. We expect extreme stuff to be said about Donald Trump. And it was really a testament to the hyper normalization that we've all suffered from. We've all suffered from it too. I suffer from it.

Anybody who follows this stuff has suffered from it because it's been so long now. It's been eight, nine years and it's gotten crazier and crazier and crazier. If in 2015 when Trump came down the golden escalator and said many Mexicans are rapists. If back then I had said, Hey, next month Trump is going to be saying Hitler did some good things. None of us would have believed it. None of us would have believed that it would be tolerable that an electorate would hear that and still potentially vote the guy in.

It's a different world. We have all been to a degree desensitized. So the appropriateness of the video, is it offensive? I don't know. It's offensive. Always feel like feels like sort of such a weak rebuttal or critique. What I can tell you is that it puts in very stark relief. What are we doing here? If we put a guy who is so clearly deteriorating into not a nursing home, but into the oval office, it doesn't make any damn sense. That's very clear. So I think the ad is interesting in that way. I can't tell for sure, but I think that this Trump impersonator is the guy who's a fan of the show, whose name I

unfortunately forget. But this is this is a risky ad in a way. And there are people who are upset. But I think the primary point of the ad, which is, hey, you're about to do something really dangerous by potentially making this guy president that comes through. So I want to hear from you. What was your reaction when you saw the ad? Good ad, bad ad, effective, not what does it do for you? Donald Trump today expected to record an interview with podcaster Joe Rogan on whose program

I've appeared a couple of times. Rumor is that Kamala Harris also may be appearing on the Joe Rogan program. Now I have a little bit that I want to say about what I'm expecting from these appearances and I want to frame it in this way. When I was on the peers Morgan show a couple of days ago, they brought on this kid who's a friend of Baron Trump's. I forget his name. And the kid said, Trump is out there doing these long form interviews,

showing that he can do it, showing that he he's got it. He's not cognitively declining. His brain is great. Everything's good. He can do these long form conversations. One of the like, for example, the upcoming one on the Joe Rogan program. Now, I went back and I looked at Donald Trump's recent appearance with Lex Friedman. Lex Friedman is known for doing shows that are three, four, five or even more hours long, endlessly long. I was exhausted after doing a four hour episode with Lex Friedman. But for some reason, for some reason, Trump's episode with Lex Friedman was only, I think, 54 minutes or something like that. So my expectation is that Trump is not doing two, three, four or five hours with Joe Rogan. I think it's going to be kept short because we know Trump is exhausted.

We know the longer Trump is allowed to speak, especially in these formats where it's relatively extemporaneous and unstructured, the more likely it is, he says something absolutely disastrous. I want to point you, however, to Donald Trump's statement when asked about this appearance. Trump was asked something like, oh, you're going to be on the Rogan thing. Look at Trump's response. Trump said on the Brian Kilmeade radio show, quote, Well, I don't know. I think they talked about doing it and I don't know.

We talked about it for a long time and I think he's a nice guy. I've met him a couple of times at the fights and I don't know. It's just that it's that just something it's that just seems something to do. It's it's hard to read it because the syntax is so weird. It's no real strategy there, Brian. I do it and I do a lot of I do a lot of shows. Good, bad or indifferent. I do a lot of shows and they come out good. We're leading. We won the Republican nomination in a record time and it was the fastest anyone's ever won it. And we were doing very well. And of course, what that has to do with Rogan, I don't know. Couple of observations. Number one, I don't know. Couple of observations.

Number one, I don't think Trump has any idea what's going on as far as these. And I just don't think he has a clue. I think he goes where they tell him to go. And it's like, is this good for me to do? OK. Is the interviewer attractive? Trump was once caught on video saying or the story was relayed by one of the NELC boys. Oh, is the interviewer attractive? Oh, okay. Well then let's go do it. Um, I think Trump just basically goes where he's told. Maybe more interestingly, the answer to what's it going to be like when you do the Rogan show, why are you doing it? Oh, you're doing it. What do you think? Trump's answer about this is representative of and emblematic of what would happen if you actually

gave Trump a few hours to talk when there would be serious questions asked. It would be very, very bad. Now, I'm looking forward to seeing how the Trump interview goes with Rogan. If the Kamala Harris interview happens with Rogan, I'm also interested in looking at that. My expectation is that neither is going to be particularly newsworthy. I'm in a way that will impact the race. I'm sure Trump will put his foot in it, put his foot in his mouth. There's no there's no doubt about it.

But because, as we know, Trump is putting his foot in his mouth every day, sometimes multiple times a day. I struggle to think that the Rogan interview will really move the needle one way or the other. But I look forward to seeing it and I hope they both appear. I'm going to play a video for you of a, uh, I'm calling him a patriotic Republican. Now the word patriotic has taken on connotations and denotations depending on who you ask for decades. And I write about this actually in my forthcoming book for decades, Republicans that have attempted to sort of monopolize the term patriotism and they've defined implicitly and explicitly

patriotism in a way that doesn't make much sense to me. Patriotism to many of these Republicans means wanting things to be the way they used to be just because that's the way they used to be, not because it was better. Patriotism means you never question what the military does, except when it's inconvenient, which of course is the name of the game with Trump. Patriotism means putting other countries down. It's not a form of patriotism that resonates with me, but I have a video here of a Republican that I do think meets a higher standard of patriotism who says, you know, there's partisan stuff, there's partisan leanings and opinions, but we have a situation so unique here in

terms of the precipice upon which we find ourselves as we vote in this November election where I have to do the right thing, says the Republican for my country based on what the country is, is actually supposed to be. He says it better than I could. So let's take a listen. A Republican that I think it really does actually meet a standard of patriotism that is logical. What pushed you from riding actually voted for the Democratic candidates? I think we have an obligation as Republicans to also embrace any economic plan that does the most good for the most number of people.

Just Saturday night, I was spending a lot of time with my favorite economist in the world. He lives in Memphis, Tennessee. He has access to hundreds of economists, and they are in widespread agreement that her plan will do a much better job protecting 95% of all U.S. citizens. That matters to me as a Republican. I think it should. That's not to disparage. We want success. We want more Elon Musks. We want more Mark Zuckerbergs and Jeff Bezos, individuals. We want to breed and incentivize that success through our economy. But we already do. I mean, that's not lacking. We are the most dynamic, creative entity in the world. The other thing is, I want to see all Republican leaders start appreciating

the greatness of what we have. There's no room for any Republican leader. I'm not referring merely to former President Trump, but let's celebrate and love and cherish all of humanity. When you denigrate one American for any reason, you're denigrating all of America, because if you denigrate someone who has a disability, America loves and appreciates individuals with disabilities. You denigrate somebody in Detroit, Michigan, by talking about what a lousy city Detroit is. Come on. He knows better than that. You're not only denigrating Detroit, you're denigrating Michigan and our country. more Elon Musk's. I mean, listen, we want innovators politically.

Elon Musk has gone completely off the rails. So I guess which side of Elon Musk is he referring to? But it's hard to take issue with much of what he says. And my reaction when I saw this, I mean, I believe him. He's a Republican. He's a lifelong Republican. But what has happened to the Republican party over the last eight to 10 years is so extreme that when you hear this guy talk, anybody who's been paying attention would say there

is simply no room for this view in the Republican Party. We what has happened to the Republican Party is such that if you didn't know this guy was a Republican and you just heard that, you would say, oh, he's a Democrat of a particular generation. And that's exactly what we would expect. We would say this is obviously someone who has no room in the Republican Party. And yet, I mean, at some point he probably did. His views do seem. I mean, listen, I'm not celebrating Reagan, but some of what he says about immigrants actually does mirror to some degree some of the things that Reagan said about immigrants, which would be completely out of step with this Republican Party or George H.W. Bush when the Republican Party was different, more like Reagan than Trump and Bush.

Bush, too, for sure. This is something that you just don't expect to see in the Republican Party anymore. And the proof is in the pudding in that he's been pushed out at least as far as voting in November. Now, for people, for Republicans in the audience who hear this and say kind of resonates with me, but just culturally my environment where I live, my family, you can make the right choice. And if you don't want to tell your family members how you voted, you don't have to tell them they're not going to find out. As Liz Cheney pointed out, if it's not public, you don't have to tell your coworkers or your spouse or your family or your friends. If you are going to say, hey, you know

what, I'm not going to bow to the peer pressure. I'm just going to do the right thing in November. They don't have to know. They don't have to know. Now, if they ask you whether you lie, that's up to you. I'm not sure. I'm not going to advise you on that. If we without romanticizing the Republican Party of 30 years ago, because that's not what I want to do. If the debates today were less about should the person who wins the election become president like that's a debate we're having some Trump is go. Actually, Trump should become president no matter who wins. OK, that's a debate right now.

If the debates we were having went back to when Republicans were more like this guy than like Trump, we would still disagree with them on a lot of things and we would be fighting for what we believe is right. But we would be dealing with people that are at least not completely out of their gourd and cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. Is it does that happen? Does the Republican Party go back to that in twenty twenty eight if Kamala Harris wins in November and finally puts puts Trumpism in the dustbin

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Jones about. I can't totally tell what looks different about Alex Jones. He may I guess he's bald. His beard is white and he's lost some weight. He looks extraordinarily different. But here is what he had to say about what he says is a forthcoming race war in the United Shash. So. If you remember, they're targeting low-information voters, so if you're informed, that doesn't even make any sense. But they're targeting people that are super stupid. But that's still not a majority of people, so it's not working. But it's the only play they've got.

So they're going to launch the triggers for civil unrest. They're going to bill it as race war. I've literally probably said that a thousand times the last four years. And now they're everywhere saying, Trump's coming with the military to attack the people, particularly black men, and that he's going to cause a civil war.

And then you actually see Raskin on C-SPAN talking to their operatives, and he's one of their top strategists, saying, oh, we're not going to accept his election, we're not going to certify it, and we're going to create civil war conditions. And then today you've got Carville. It's up on Infowars.com. You'll see the full interview. We'll play some of it in a minute.

Dem strategist Carville advocates armed revolution. If Trump wins, claims males of color will be arrested by MAGA. And they're just waiting for a white cop to be in a questionable shooting. Like they said, a white cop killed that black woman in Virginia last month. Then they released a surveillance video, the body cam. And it was an Asian veteran. All right. So he's predicting that there is going to be this race war coming.

Then let me skip ahead and we will get to the part where he talks about J.D. Vance. Lost the war for the hearts and minds. All they can do is blow up the chessboard now. I'll use the analogy of the first Terminator, James Cameron, great classic 1980s Skynet's already lost in the future. The human resistance is blown up. Sorry, let me skip ahead a little just so you don't have to hear as much of this nonsense. Just for sure on the election today, I'll show you the memos. It's all on Infowars.com.

It's all on Railroad Shows on X. Okay. Be sure to follow the new network. I'm firing up with folks at. A.J. and live at A.J. and live on X as well, A-J-N live. So, it's just insane. And I'm not singling Roger out of love to death. He's super smart. It's just that I berate him about this on air. I berate him about this off air. I can get on the phone and call the head of the Trump campaign.

Which I've talked to folks and I'm like, hey, you know, we know we see that that's important. I told J.D. Vance, I said, you know, they're going to try to trigger a race war. That's their plan. Yeah, I see a lot of them hyping that. Yeah, but let's see, because so here is Alex Jones claiming that he is suggesting to J.D. Vance that Democrats are going to try to generate a race war, a race war if Trump wins. And Alex Jones is claiming J.D. Vance goes, yeah, no, I see. I see that they're doing that.

It would be really great for a reporter next time they get an opportunity to talk to J.D. Vance. Usually people boo when you ask J.D. Vance a question. The audience doesn't like journalism at these J.D. Vance events. It's worth suggesting to reporters, hey, maybe ask the Trump campaign. Ask Trump. Ask J.D. Vance. Are you talking to Alex Jones? Is it true what Jones says that he is telling you all that Democrats are planning to instigate a race war, a sort of civil war along racial lines. And you're telling them that you know that that's what they're planning to do.

J.D., do you believe Democrats are planning to start a race war? Here's my prediction. OK, if Kamala Harris wins on November 5th, we say we really avoided a major disaster with Trump. Let's now work to make Kamala Harris the most progressive president she's willing to be. If Kamala Harris loses in November, I will say that's really disappointing. We now need to play defense to prevent Trump from doing horrible and disastrous things and start thinking about 2026 and 2028. We lost.

That really sucks. That is what I am predicting the left is going to do. Race war, civil war. You know, you look at Tim Pool's YouTube channel for years. He's been going on and on and on about civil war is imminent. And, you know, it's sort of like the people who always say there's a depression coming. If you say there's a depression coming every year, you say at 10, 15, 20, 25 years, you'll probably be right eventually with the

civil war stuff. I'm hopeful that they will never be right, but it's something that they've been pushing for a long time. And it's when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. It's the same for Alex Jones. It's the same for Alex Jones. It's the same for for a lot of these people. Let's figure out who Alex Jones is talking to, because that's pretty scary. Hey, what a bad week for McDonald's. It's these are unrelated things. But on the one hand, McDonald's getting a bunch of negative press because Donald Trump

showed up and independently owned McDonald's, shut it down for the day for a photo op staged thing where he said nothing about what he would do for workers. He didn't say, oh, well, I'm going to raise the minimum wage of people who know. No, no, no. He just showed up, shut down a McDonald's, probably costing them revenue, had rehearsed customers go through the drive through and making a lot of people say, wait, is McDonald's endorsing Trump? Is it just this particular McDonald's?

What's going on? Not a particularly good event for McDonald's. Maybe good for Trump. Not good for McDonald's. And now we learn that McDonald's is facing an E. coli outbreak linked to the infamous quarter pounder. Yahoo Finance reports McDonald's stock somewhat recovered from steeper losses Wednesday. Shares falling over four percent in early trading as the CDC has announced

the quarter pounder at McDonald's linked to an E. coli outbreak in some states, most illnesses in Colorado and Nebraska. This is not good news for a chain of restaurants or food factories or whatever we would call McDonald's company stock sank as much as 10 percent in extended trade trading in the immediate aftermath. And as you can see here, this stock chart does not look good, although there has been a little bit of a recovery. Tragically, one person died and 10 have been hospitalized. CDC says McDonald's has stopped using fresh slivered onions and quarter pound beef patties as they attempt to confirm the source of this illness. McDonald's is, of course, saying that they're doing everything right, including taking swift and decisive action.

They think it may have been the slivered onions rather than the burgers. But regardless, they are putting in place safety protocols, removing all of the stuff in the impacted areas, et cetera, et cetera. So you will as a heads up, you will be unable to obtain a quarter pounder in Colorado, Kansas, Utah and Wyoming, as well as portions of a whole bunch of other states. You know, there have been a lot of people on the left who have been making fun of people who go to McDonald's. And we saw it in the aftermath of the Trump stunt.

And we're seeing it now. Oh, well, this this is what you deserve. If you go to McDonald's. I think that McDonald's food is terrible. I don't you know, I don't hide that. But making fun of the people that go to McDonald's, I don't think is a good way to gain any advantage here. What to me is the primary message. And with the CDC coli outbreak, obviously there's bigger issues now. But to me, the primary message should be about Trump's stunt. He inconvenienced a whole bunch of people and didn't actually do anything that shows he cares about workers, whereas Kamala Harris has announced that she supports a 15 dollar

minimum wage. If Trump had done this stunt and said and on this day, I am proudly announcing that I am supporting a 15 dollar minimum wage or even any minimum wage increase. It's still 725, which it's been for nearly 20 years since I think 2006 or 2009, something like that. That would have really been something. So I don't think as much as I don't think eating McDonald's is good for your health and I haven't been to a McDonald's in, what, 25 years, something like that. As much as I don't do it in this political context, I don't think that making fun of people who go to McDonald's gives any benefit, any benefit whatsoever to impeaching, for lack of a better term, Trump's motivations for doing the entire stunt.

So keep an eye out on the E. coli stuff if you plan to go back to the quarter pounder. And it might be nice. It might be nice if Trump actually came forward and said, I do support paying these folks more money now that I tried the friolator. I think they deserve to be paid more. That's what the man of the people would say. Let's take a quick break and we'll be back right after this from Saudi blood money to shady crypto schemes. We shouldn't overlook any of Trump's scandals. Trump barely understands the concept of crypto himself in the past, having called it a scam. And now Trump conveniently found his way into one of the least regulated markets on the planet using the platform Ground News. I can see even Fox News isn't sold on this. Their headline says Trump crypto venture unveiling stirs skepticism.

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She is trying to pit blacks and Hispanics against each other. And this is a technique that's been employed by authoritarian autocrats for more than 100 years around the world. And we will talk about that in a moment. I'll play the clip for you. Here is Levitt on Fox News talking about how, hey, you know what? The blacks should be worried that the illegal Hispanics are coming up and they're going to take their jobs.

Of course, when it's different, when it's a different situation, it's the black immigrants from Haiti that are actually the problem. And it's the Hispanics who should be worried. This is not an accident. Take a listen to what she had to say. Particularly black Americans have been impacted by Kamala Harris's terrible economic policies, the inflation crisis that is robbing them of their hard earned paychecks every single week. And then in their in their communities, largely Democrat-run cities, they are being put last ahead of illegal immigrants who are being put first. They're seeing people from all over the world come to this country on a free ride,

get prepaid debit cards to buy their kids food and diapers, while black Americans are falling behind. It's unfair. It's un-American. And President Trump is promising to put all Americans first. It's a very simple message, and it's resonating. It's unfair. It's un-American. And President Trump is promising to put all Americans first. It's a very simple message and it's resonating. It's working. And Kamala Harris is on defense with with key demographics that the Democrats need to win this election. And there's only 14 days left. It's so funny. Trump is going to put every American on the same footing, except women who will be discriminated, discriminated against this way through access to reproductive

healthcare or lack thereof and children who we are going to force to be born, but then not actually provide them what they need and older Americans and middle class Americans, except for all of these groups, Trump is going to put everybody on the same level. Now, the reality of course is Trump doesn't care about any of these groups unless it's an election. It's an interesting interesting particularly black America. The clip started over. Sorry, Trump doesn't really care about any of these groups unless it's an election year. And that's what we're seeing. But this is a technique that we should identify and name fascist movements. Love, love, love to subdivide and subdivide and pit different groups against each other.

And MAGA is exactly this. You know, we we've got to go to a big example. Hitler and Nazi Germany used propaganda to pit the Germans against Jews and Romani people and disabled people and so on, saying, well, the Jews are the primary enemy, but there's these other groups that are really bad. And maybe these other groups should actually be fighting amongst themselves. Mussolini in Italy exploited tension between Italians and African populations and Middle Eastern populations in Italy's colonial territories.

Milosevic in Yugoslavia played on ethnic tensions between Serbs, Croats and Bosnians and used that to fuel nationalist sentiment. Franco in Spain divided Spaniards again on ethnic and regional differences, the Castilians and the Basques and the Catalans. And how do they look? And there's certain ethnicity components here that are relevant. Stalin in the Soviet Union targeted Chechens and Poles and Ukrainians and said these groups are disloyal, but whoever is least disloyal, maybe you get to stay. Idi Amin in Uganda expelled the South Asians and portrayed the South Asians as the economic exploiters of the Ugandan natives.

And if you look at the Rwandan civil war and who to power that, that's we could do an entire show on that, but essentially irrelevant ethnic differences used to promote the idea of one group as the dangerous other and one as the in-group. So this is a classic technique. There's no shock at all that they are coming up with, hey, you know what would be really great? Let's get the black people and the Hispanic people angry at each other. And then all of the white people angry at all of them. This is a textbook of how these authoritarian autocrats and wannabe dictators like Trump divide for their benefit, which at the end of the day is all Donald Trump cares about. Donald Trump went to a barber shop on Fox and Friends and it went really, really, really, really, really, really poorly.

The idea, I guess, again, in this idea of trying to unite and divide and who am I allied with today? Trump went to a barbershop and was asked questions. He was asked, how will you fix Bronx schools? And Trump says by ending transgender operations that he seems to be saying are happening in school. I have here in the Bronx. What are we going to do? What are we going to do to improve that in our school system? Well, we're moving them back from Washington where you have people that don't care about New York, frankly. You know, in Washington, I don't know if you ever noticed this, you've got Department of Education, Department of Education. You've got half the buildings in Department of Education.

I never saw it. You don't need any of them. You know, I want one person and a secretary to just make sure they're teaching English, okay? Give them a little English, okay? I say reading, writing and arithmetic. No transgender, no operations. You know, they take your kid.

There are some places your boy leaves the school, comes back a girl without parental consent. It is not happening. It is not. Trump is obsessed with this story. It is simply not happening. And you know that. And if you step back a moment, Trump's obsessed with genitalia over the weekend.

He's going on and on about the size of the late golfer, all Arnold Palmer's. Now he's talking about they are doing a gender affirming surgeries at school while your kid is at school with no parental consent. It's all made up. Well, I guess I can't speak to Arnold Palmer's penis size, but I don't know that that's made up. But Trump is just obsessed with genitals these days. I don't know if it's because of something that's going on at home or what's going on,

but it is all nonsense. Now, Trump gets a good question from one of the gentlemen hanging out in the barbershop, which is how are we going to get artificial food banned in urban communities now by artificial food? I think what what the gentleman means is ultra processed food. This is a major issue. You look at food deserts and the lack of availability of fresh produce and unprocessed foods, particularly in in lower income parts of cities. This is a real issue. And Trump does one of his man woman camera TV moments mentions Bobby Kennedy's name doesn't give an answer because he doesn't have a clue. Is the plan to do about the fast food health care industry and getting the artificial foods

bands been in our urban communities that have less access to organic whole foods? Great question. So Bobby Kennedy, right? Everybody likes Bobby and he's so big into the health food and women things. Bobby Kennedy is really into women. Trump is right. What it has to do with ultra processed food in urban areas. I don't know. But yes, the reporting is extensive. Bobby is really into women. Everything he wants to do things in the environment. And he endorsed me the first time at Kennedy's. He wants to do Bobby Kennedy, who loves women, is going to do things and the environment.

He wants to do things. That's how we'll get it out of the schools, out of the urban areas. Reindorse the Republican. Maybe it's going to be the last, but I doubt it. And he's a great guy. He would be so perfect. He doesn't like artificial foods and he doesn't like pesticides and all the stuff they put on them. OK. And if you listen to him for 10 minutes, I mean, he says other

countries that don't do anything are healthier than us. Okay. We're not that healthy to put it mildly. Uh, so no artificial foods. We don't want to order. We have plenty of food by the way. Trump eats McDonald's daily. He doesn't want ultra processed food. What are you talking about? The food is not a problem and our farmers are great and our farmers aren't't allowed to. There you go. Food isn't the problem. And the farmers are great. So by the way, notice the confusion on the face of the guy who's like, what is Trump talking about? What is how does this even tangentially relate to Bobby Kennedy likes women? What? Trump's then asked, is it possible to eliminate federal taxes altogether? And Trump goes, absolutely. All this extra revenue we're going to be bringing into the country.

So do you believe at some point in time we could find a way once the country's back on its feet and getting enough revenue and paid off our debt, do you think it's possible to find a way to eliminate federal taxes? Imagine the delusional nature of the question was like, listen, sir, once you become president and completely pay off our national debt, then can we get rid of the income tax? It's a fantasy world. It's a once you pay off the national debt, can you get rid of an income tax altogether? There is a way.

How do you feel about it? On the old days when we were smart, when we were a smart country in the 1890s and all this? This is when the country was relatively the richest it ever was. It had all tariffs. It didn't have an income tax. Yes, sir. OK, now we have income taxes and we have people that are dying.

They're paying tax and they don't have the money to pay the tax. Now, in the old days, 1890, 1880, we had so much money they had to set up committees, blue ribbon committees, how to spend our wealth. We had no idea how to spend it. It was so much money that we went to the income tax system and the rest is sort of history. But no, there is a way. I mean, if we if what I mean, he's talking about getting rid of the this is such a waste of time. And most of what Trump says there, as is often the case, there's like something he heard,

which is a kernel of truth. But it's quite deceptive. It's true that in the late 19th century, there was such industrial growth and economic expansion. It was called the Gilded Age. There was this surge in wealth and industrial power. but it was also a time of time of significant inequality. So it's conceivable that in relative terms, the country was as rich as it has ever been then, although it's not obvious to me.

But it was not an economically healthy time because of the insane levels of inequality. There's sort of a subjectivity there. It is true that in 1890, the US government was primarily funded through tariffs and excise taxes. There was no federal income tax at the time, but tariffs are taxes on consumers and putting in place the taxation regime of excise and tariffs that there was in 1890. Now, instead of the federal income tax, I honestly, I don't even know if it's been modeled. I'd be interested to see a model.

But intuitively, the country is so different now than it was in 1890 that to suggest that because we used to do something, we should do it again. It's sort of at the heart of conservatism. Hey, we used to do it this way. Let's go back to that. Well, why? We should have a good reason. We're not arguing to go back to transportation technology from 1890.

We're not arguing to go back to transportation technology from 1890. We're not arguing to go back to health care technology from 1890. We're not arguing to go back to communication technology from 1890. If you say we should do it like they did in 1890, you really need to be able to demonstrate that it would be better. And of course, Trump never does. He goes, we used to do X. OK. We used to do lots of things.

Don't want to do them again. So a failed barbershop event with Trump and at every single event, the trends are clear. He's asked a question. He spits out words that don't really have anything to do with the question. And people in the audience are very confused. Can you become president when every single one of your events is that disastrous? That's the question we're going to answer November 5th. I hope that the answer is no. I've been sleeping on a Helix sleep mattress for years now. Couldn't love it more before Helix. I just buy whatever generic

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All right, let's get into the Friday feedback where we look at emails, YouTube replies, Twitter posts, tick tock messages and comments and all these different things to see what is on the minds of the audience. We start with a really angry critique of the business model of the show where Craig in Ohio says, I guess I can't watch these videos anymore if it's an interesting story. But the resolution can only be seen in a bonus show for paying subscribers. I was happy to subscribe and glad you have sponsors for the regular shows. But if the regular shows are now just teasers to extract money from me and the resolution of the story is considered a bonus.

I have to look elsewhere. It makes me sad to see this kind of capitalism. Why can't YouTube just continue to be a great thing that is free for everyone? It wasn't meant to be a job. And now I'm an employer of the shows I watch. It wasn't like this before. How did greed get in here? Maybe there really aren't any Democrats anymore. Maybe it's just me and everyone else wants to live the Trump

way, even if they don't admit it. There's probably no point in voting. I give up. I think I should just stop looking at the cell phone, return to my record collecting and let the world go on without my observations that escalated quickly. So a couple of different things. First of all, I'm not really aware of where we put the resolution to a story on the bonus show. I suppose there probably is some story where there's an aspect of it on the podcast and then some aspect of it ends up on the bonus show. I'm not denying that that's possible, but this whole like it wasn't meant to be a job thing. This is what the left fails at and what the right understands.

This wasn't meant to be a job suggests to me that progressive YouTubers should not make enough money from doing progressive media, that it can be their only job and they should have to have some other job. Like apparently there would be more virtue in what I do here if it didn't make any money and I had to go and like work another full time job, then come home and do this. That doesn't make any sense. And part of what the right gets is that you get the most effective and highest quality sort of sort of platform for your message when the people doing it aren't having to

work some other job. And it's it's the same concept as when I say, hey, you know, if everybody had health care, we would be much better activists, because like if you get sick and you don't have health care, it's hard to be a good activist in that scenario. It's really the same concept, which is if we put progressive independent media people in a position of having to, like, put together shows after work between, you know, making dinner and putting their kids to bed and working their job. And then the right just fully funds all these people who just are out there and like this is their thing. Then we lose once again.

So it wasn't meant to be a job. I don't even know what that means. It is true that the economics of content creation are such that it's really hard to get going initially. It's really, really hard. This show made zero for years. Once you get to a certain scale and you get past like the barrier to entry, the economics of of content creation are such that then all of a sudden you can make a very nice living like that.

That's just kind of how it works because of how the audience size grows. That's not really a good reason to say, well, you should have to work some other job. I think we lose when we start with that approach. OK, let's get to let's do one more angry message. This one's from John Anderson on YouTube, who says everything you leftists accuse the right of being is what you are. Fascist, a threat to democracy, a threat to the Constitution. Congratulations. You've become the party of the warmongers, the party of Big Pharma and Dick Cheney endorsed your candidate. What fools you have become. I used to have a lot in common with people on the left. They have really gone off the rails. You know, it's not the left that has said

it's OK to suspend the Constitution when I deem it to be so. It's just it's just not the left that didn't come from the left fascism. I looked. I didn't find it on the left. I found lots of things I don't like on the left and I call them out when I find them. Fascism is not the one that I'm finding. Dick Cheney endorsed your candidate. Dick Cheney made it clear he doesn't agree with Kamala Harris on policy. Dick Cheney has simply said the the groundwork, the foundation of democracy is important enough to me that I can't vote Trump. And this time I'm going to be voting Kamala Harris.

There's nothing right wing about Kamala Harris's platform just because Dick Cheney said, I value democracy enough that I'm going to put country over party. So very scary message. All right. We did a poll on the David Pakman show YouTube channel asking, does Donald Trump have dementia? Forty seven thousand of you voted. Fifty seven percent believe that it is clear that Trump is suffering from some kind of cognitive decline. Thirty six say it's possible, but you're not qualified to say so overall. Ninety three percent of the audience believes it's either obvious or possible that Trump is suffering from cognitive decline up to and including dementia. Seven percent of the audience is not convinced of that. Those are some overwhelming numbers if I've ever seen

them. OK, reflex point from the sub Reddit says if Harris loses, I'm not sure we'll see a female nominated for some time saying that if Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris loses, it would be the second time a highly qualified, smart, psychologically normal female candidate will have lost to a sociopathic moron unqualified for the job. And reflex point goes on to say, if that happens, it'll be a while till we see another woman nominated. So two thoughts on this. Number one, I do believe that if Kamala Harris loses in just a few short weeks, the Democratic Party will not nominate a woman in twenty twenty eight. However, I do still think that it's completely

plausible that Republicans might end up nominating a wildly right wing reactionary woman. But as far as the analysis applies to the Democratic Party, I do think the next nominee will be a man. If Kamala Harris loses, we will see a bunch of reactions to my appearance on the digital social hour with Sean Kelly, where we discussed tariffs, among other things. Here is one from Jack Aranda, who says David Pakman doesn't fully understand tariffs either. Ultimately, the tariffs make the Chinese good less attractive and reduce the demand for them.

Price times volume equals revenue means China gets less total revenue. What Jack Aranda doesn't understand is that Trump's view, the view from a lot of these right wingers on tariffs is you put a tariff on China. All of a sudden everybody will buy that thing domestically and it'll be great for American companies. It's a delusion because of a couple different reasons. Number one, a lot of the things we get from China, we can't just tomorrow start manufacturing or buying domestically because we don't have the supply chain set up. But that doesn't even really matter, because even if we do, if you say, OK, this product is now more expensive from

China because you've got to pay the United States government a tariff. What most companies would do is they would go to the next cheapest option. So you don't say, well, I can't get it from a hundred bucks for a hundred bucks from China, so I'll buy it domestically for 150. No, you would go, well, I can't get it for one hundred bucks from China, but I can get it for one hundred and two from Thailand or I can get it for one hundred and four from Malaysia or I can get it for one hundred and ten from Morocco. You wouldn't immediately go to the US. And that is another one of the failures of this entire tariff scheme that Donald Trump has come up with. So a lot of the people who wrote to me criticizing what I said about tariffs acting like I don't understand

tariffs, they don't understand tariffs. Zonkey also on Twitter said this is trying to imply that all tariffs are bad by distracting you with who pays, but ignores the fact that the very point of the tariff is to incentivize people to buy American David Pakman, constant liar and charlatan. Again, it doesn't happen that if all of a sudden it's more expensive from China, you go and you buy it at the most expensive price from the United States. If you even can, it can take decades or longer to establish these supply chains. You know, for all the accusations that I'm the one who doesn't understand it, we've done extensive coverage of when tariffs do make sense and how

to implement them. We've done it. I know that I understand it. It's the random people on Twitter sniping at me who seem not to understand it. All right. AJM. I love messages like this. I love it. AJM tweeted, I guess, or I guess we call them excretions now because it's called X. AJM excreted the following message. David Pakman's numbers just keep declining. I've been observing him for quite some time now. His decline in numbers in all social media spheres just shows how most don't really take him as a serious source any longer. I'm sure he's probably seeing it in his financial numbers. I love this stuff. Inject this into my veins. We had the best month in the history of the show in August and the second best month in the history of the show in September. Just now, August and September of this year are by far the best two month period

the show has had ever. There is not a single platform on which our numbers are declining. And for a decade or longer, there have been people like AJM who produce nothing of value. They do nothing of value. They just go on Twitter and excrete negativity. OK, they've done nothing. And meanwhile, we have as many YouTube subscribers as we've ever as we've ever as we've ever had. We have more Facebook followers, TikTok followers, Instagram views. Every single platform is at its peak today. And so the people wishing for the decline saying, oh, David, you're circling the drain. You're going to have to wait a little bit longer. Shipwreck wrote on YouTube, finally, Pacman puts on a dress shirt. Stop with your T-shirt.

You're not a teenager, David Pakman. And of course, it's the wrong your Y.O. Oh, you are as opposed to the contraction for you are why? Oh, you apostrophe re negative comments disproportionately likely to contain that. Listen, it doesn't really matter what I wear on the show. OK, it really doesn't. Or at least it shouldn't. I'm putting myself together. I'm showering regularly. I'm fully clothed. Let's focus on policy. Let's focus on winning this election, please. T-shirts. Who cares about a T-shirt if we defeat scrumps? Let's do it.

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