The David Pakman Show - 10/6/23: Rudy sues Biden and denies alcoholism, Trump property auction could happen

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

-- On the Show: -- Rudy Giuliani denies his alcoholism at a strange press conference where he also announces that he is suing Joe Biden -- A legal expert believes that it's likely Donald Trump's properties will be auctioned off after his fraud trial -- Callers asks about the future of the Republican Party after Donald Trump -- Caller discusses Joe Biden's reelection chances -- Caller talks about economic difficulties -- Caller points out how right-wingers are hypocrites on fentanyl -- Caller asks how long the US will support Ukraine -- Caller asks about the risks of artificial intelligence -- The Friday Feedback segment -- On the Bonus Show: Trump revealed more nuclear secrets, GOP spills tea on Matt Gaetz, Trump endorses Jim Jordan for House Speaker, and much more... 🔊 Babbel: Get 55% off your subscription at https://babbel.com/pakman 🖥️ UPLIFT Desk: Get 5% OFF with code PAKMAN at https://upliftdesk.com/pakman 🛡️ Incogni: The first 100 people to use code PAKMAN will get 60% off at http://incogni.com/pakman 👍 Use code PAKMAN for 10% off the Füm Journey Pack at https://tryfum.com/PAKMAN 💪 Athletic Greens is offering FREE year-supply of Vitamin D at https://athleticgreens.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

. The continuing tragic saga, in a sense, that is Rudy Giuliani's complete implosion of his political and professional career continues. Rudy Giuliani is now suing President Joe Biden for calling him a Russian pawn. There's a CNN report about this. Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed a defamation lawsuit against Biden for calling him a Russian pawn during a presidential debate nearly three years ago. Giuliani announced the lawsuit at a rambling press conference outside a courthouse in New Hampshire, where he filed in order to take advantage of the state's defamation laws.

He reiterated several attacks against Biden and his son Hunter, though he's only suing Joe Biden, despite the high bar for statements by public figures in a political setting to be found defamatory. So the calling this a rambling press conference is an understatement. Understand that even conceptually the as we've talked about before, when you're talking about defamation, generally it can be different depending on the state. But generally, you need to demonstrate a number of elements. One, that the statements that were made were untrue to that they were made in a public setting and communicated to a third party. And three, that they actually damaged your reputation or career or life materially. It's very difficult to imagine that Joe Biden's comments about Rudy three years ago could

be demonstrated to have materially harmed Rudy, particularly when he did so many things to harm himself. But regardless, here's Rudy Giuliani sort of confused, you know, explaining, I guess, what he's doing. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. Thank you, Bill. Very, very much. He's our counsel in the state of New Hampshire. And Lou is my counsel overall, because there are going to be

a lot of implications from this case. As you can tell, it has a great deal of room for expansion, because a lot of people helped Joe Biden with this terrible lie that he told. Joe Biden has spent his life telling lies, getting away with it. Now he gets away with it because you let him get away with it. You foisted on us. I mean, an American president who is a pathological liar that has implications to national security as a result of Joe Biden's lies, people have died. I don't know what he's talking about there. Would there be a war in Ukraine? Donald Trump, the president, absolutely. By the way, what this has to do with defamatory alleged statements against Rudy, obviously, we're already off track. I've put an invaded Ukraine and Georgia three times, one time with Biden, one time with Obama,

one time with Bush. Only time he didn't. Trump was the president. Afghanistan. So in some ways, the damage done to me is less severe. He didn't get me killed, although I have been death threats. Right. His lies cost me a good deal of my law practice. Now remember what caused this is, you know, they claim to be the party of personal responsibility. What cost Lutie Lutie? That's actually not bad. He did loot.

What cost Rudy much of his law practice was that he pursued obviously ridiculous claims about the 2020 election in court, associated himself with people like Sidney Powell and Jenna Ellis, humiliated himself in an incredible manner day after day after day. That's why he lost a bunch of the law practice, not because of Joe Biden and whatever Biden said in a debate years ago. It cost me directly a good deal of my million person audience on Common Sense, where I was cut off by YouTube, which operates as a co-conspirator in another conspiracy of Biden's. All right.

So we I'm this is 16 minutes long. As you can see, this is only even tangentially related to the death. The claims of defamation. The one other interesting moment I did want to zoom in on is Rudy Giuliani angrily delight denies his alcoholism here. And, you know, the alcoholism stuff, we're talking about a disease. We're not making fun of anybody's alcoholism. And oftentimes people who are alcoholics deny it. It's relatively well sourced that when Trump was still in office and Rudy was his attorney, there was an effort made

to put Rudy on TV in the morning rather than at night because it was less likely that Rudy would have been drinking in the morning. And often the nighttime appearances, the eight, nine, 10 p.m. appearances on Fox News would happen after Rudy went out to dinner and had too much to drink. So it's quite well sourced. But here is Rudy angrily denying it. Thank you, everybody. It's a typical New York Times malicious lie. I do not have an alcohol problem. I have never had an alcohol problem. And the reason I told you what I achieved is nobody could have achieved that if they

did. When the hell was I drinking? I was working 24 hours a day. It's a big damn lie by a newspaper. That's a disgrace. And by a reporter who covered me, used to cover me very, very. Speaker 1 Now, whoever is to Rudy's right tries to rap because this is going off the rails. And Rudy says it's my press conference Speaker 2 in a very glowing way and now is vicious and mean in what she does. Thank you. And it's my press conference.

What a mess. Vicious and mean. And if it weren't for the protections that the press gets with times against Sullivan, I mean, she should be sued for libel. She should also be thrown out of the profession for being a damn liar. Right. That's OK. All right.

So Rudy denies the alcoholism. I mean, listen, it's quite well sourced. Alcoholism is a disease and it's a very sad state of affairs. My prediction, Rudy doesn't get even a single dollar in damages from this entire farce. A legal expert believes it is likely that at the conclusion of this entire fraud trial against the failed former President Donald Trump, who is a civilly liable rapist that has been indicted criminally four times, that Trump's properties are going to be auctioned off. This is a very interesting take. Newsweek reports. Attorney says Donald Trump's properties will likely be auctioned off. New York's former assistant attorney general has said

that Trump's properties will likely be liquidated and sold off at auction after a judge found he committed fraud. This would be an incredible end to some of these business endeavors. The article continues. Tristan Snell was speaking after a court found that the former president massively inflated the value of some properties and ordered that some Trump companies involved be stripped of their corporate licenses. It's one part of Trump's ongoing civil fraud trial. Snell said to MSNBC, quote, The worst outcome that could have come from this case has already

been handed down, and that is for the corporate licenses to be canceled. The properties are likely going to be liquidated. The properties are likely going to be liquidated. The properties are probably going to be sold at auction. That's probably what is going to happen. We don't know that for sure, but that is proper. Probably where this is headed. So Trump is already really, really in trouble. Snell said it's also important to remember Trump already lost despite his product protestations

of innocence. Judge Arthur Engeron ruled last week that Trump, his adult sons, the Trump org and other businesses associated with Trump overvalued several properties, including Mar-a-Lago and Trump's triplex. I heard someone call it a triplex. I always thought it was triplex in Manhattan at Trump Tower for financial gain. Well, listen, you know, Trump is insisting over over the last week, Trump has insisted that Mar-a-Lago is worth 500 million, a billion, one point five billion. And most recently he said it's worth 100 times the 18 million, meaning one point eight billion. We may soon find out, at least at rock bottom auction pricing, what Mar-a-Lago is actually worth.

Now, I think there are a couple important things to say here. The individual making this prediction about Trump's properties being auctioned off has nothing to do with this trial whatsoever. And it is merely a hypothetical. I think it is likely that this will happen. Is it actually going to happen or will it be prescribed? But then it will be negotiated to something else. What if we transfer ownership to other individuals? I designate other than Eric and Don Jr., who I believe are the other

defendants in this lawsuit. It's completely plausible that Trump would be ordered to auction these off. But then there would be some kind of negotiation that goes in a different direction. The big takeaway from all of this that we are all coming away with if we're paying attention is that getting involved in politics, winning the presidential election in 2016 and then unleashing every worst business instinct that Trump had for decades onto the political world where people are paying much more attention was probably the worst decision Trump made in his life, the worst personal decision and the worst business decision and probably the worst family decision as well.

If the reporting about what's going on with he and his wife is to be believed. And our instinct that that may have been the case started to build in 2017, in 2018 and so on. And it has only grown since then. I'm currently reading Selwyn Rab's 800 page epic about the five families, the five mafia families from Italy that became the prominent families in the New York mafia. And one of the things that you see is that the more successful mafiosi fly below the radar. They don't try to get in the spotlight. They don't try to show up and testify anywhere.

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What's on your mind today? David, thank you for having me. I love your show. My pleasure. Thank you. So obviously you're no stranger to kind of the cognitive dissonance that takes place within the Republican Party, specifically within MAGA. Right. So I guess my question for you is, how do we kind of break through to that? You know, it's I'm convinced this is something that's going to take at least like a decade to kind of get past. What do you think? Well, I think in the best case scenario, it will take eight to 10 years. I think worst case, it basically becomes the Republican Party indefinitely. I never say forever because I think it's forever, but indefinitely. And I think a lot

of it is going to have to do with what happens over the next, you know, 13 months until the election, 15 months until the next inauguration. If Trump wins, you know, into that next Trump term. I don't think there's a clear answer yet as to how much life this movement has in it, but it has absolutely destroyed the Republican Party. And now it is so abundantly clear. Twenty eighteen did not go well in the midterms. Twenty twenty. Trump lost the general election. Twenty twenty two was going to be a red wave, barely took the House and actually fell further behind in the Senate. Now they've ousted their own Republican speaker because of eight MAGA extremists.

I mean, this movement has objectively been a disaster for the Republican Party. I don't know how long it'll last, but I think your instinct that we could be talking about another 10 years is certainly possible. Of course. And, you know, when you're debating MAGA people, that's you know, that's an effective tool because you can just make them look like the delusional morons that they are. But when you're talking to someone in real life, someone who, you know, personally, it gets a little bit harder because if you try to bring up exactly what you brought up, all they think is that you're some part of some like big giant lie and that just pushes them farther and farther down the rabbit

hole. Speaker 1 without a doubt, it's one of these circumstances where the mechanisms through which we might hope to change people will often only for excuse me, further ingrain them in their beliefs. And so as we've talked about before, we're basically talking about deprogramming cult members at this point. And this is a difficult thing to do. Right. You know, you got to hate the cult, love the cultist, hate the cult, love the cultist. Yes. I mean, you show empathy to the cultist. You welcome them back to reality if they show any willingness to come back. I mean, you show empathy to the cultist. You welcome them back to reality if they show any willingness to come back. I agree with that completely, Jeff.

Absolutely. Well, I mean, I got to give credit where it's due. I 100 percent stole that notion from Bill Maher. Oh, OK. Interesting. I haven't heard him say that, but it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I'm not super on board with the fact that he thinks Biden cannot win the next election. But, you know, what does that even mean? with the fact that he thinks Biden cannot win the next election. But, you know, what does that even mean? What does it mean? He can't win. You know, there were so many people saying in 2020 Biden can't win. There were Bernie people going Biden cannot win. Well, of course, he can win. Trump could win. Biden can win. What does that even mean? It's a very strange thing to say. He might not win, but that doesn't mean he can't win.

Absolutely. All right, Jeff, I'm getting all wound up, so I'm going to let you go, OK? Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Jeff from Minnesota. Great to hear from you. Let's go to Pam from Florida. Pam, welcome to the program. What's on your mind today? I'm curious. Oh, Pam, please. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. OK, so just to piggyback on that, I didn't get to see the whole interview with Jake Young Kirk's and you.

But I have to say, Jake and you are my three favorite media, progressive media people and love to see you guys talking and debating. But to say he is pretty strongly in opinion that Biden has a really hard chance of winning, even against Trump. And I didn't get to, like I said, I didn't see the whole full interview. So I know I want to hear your your kind of opinion on that. Well, this is pretty strong based on numbers and his percentages. Here's the deal. A couple of different things. First of all, a lot of the same people saying Biden can't win said it in 2020 and they were

wrong. So by by very definitionally, what is it that they're saying? They're saying, I don't think Biden will win, but obviously Biden could win. First, there's the polling question. You look at polling. I mean, listen, the latest poll out right now has Biden and Trump tied forty three forty three. That means 14 percent of the electorate is still up for grabs. That very much means Biden can win and Trump can win. You look at other polling where Trump's a little bit ahead or whatever the case may be. It's it's such an early stage that it's very difficult for me to say the the polling story is written in stone. Secondly, Biden won in 2020. Now, yes, it was very thin margins in a few states.

But if we start with 2020 as the map and we say, has Biden gained or lost ground at the state level in Georgia? I don't think Georgia has gone further to the right since Biden won it in 2020. I don't think Pennsylvania has gone further to the right. I don't think George has gone further to the right since Biden won it in 2020. I don't think Pennsylvania has gone further to the right. I don't think Arizona has gone further to the right. So you actually see, hey, Trump needs to take some states from Biden. And it's not obvious that he's going to be able to do that. He might, but he might not. And then you get to the age question, which is so many people are concerned about Biden's age. Many of the people in polls who are concerned about Biden's age are still going to vote for him if it's Biden versus Trump. And so I think we need to be very careful when I'm not saying

Biden will win. I'm just reacting to people who say he can't. When we hear things like two thirds of Democrats think Biden's too old, most of those people will still vote for him if it's Biden versus Trump, because they recognize that Trump's an insane authoritarian autocrat. So I think we just have to be really clear about what we're saying, what we mean and what is in the data right now. Right. And I guess what worries me, too, is just the fact that so many people came out in such large numbers just to really vote against. Trump not wrote for Biden and they voted for Biden, obviously. Yes. I just don't want to see them sleep on this.

And it's just like so obvious to me what a danger authoritarian nightmare Trump will be in office. I can't understand how people don't see that in every, you know, and last and. Speaker 1 And Pam, this is underrepresented in the polls in the sense that if Trump becomes the nominee, that is going to motivate a large number of Democratic voters who are going to say, I need to get involved to prevent a Trump presidency. Again, none of this is proof that Biden will or won't win. But right now, the polling doesn't consider the number of people who will get involved to prevent the disaster of Trump from becoming president.

Right. Jen's flirting with possibly running a least in a primary. What would you what would you say to that? I don't believe Jenks eligible to run because he was born in Turkey. Oh, I thought. Yeah. So I don't even I don't even get what that's. I don't honestly. This is the first I'm hearing of that. I don't get how that could possibly work. OK. All right. Anyway, thank you so much. I love your show. Love you. Take care. All right. Great to hear from you. Always great to hear from Pam from Florida. Let's go next to Armin from Los Angeles, California. Armin, welcome to the program.

What's on your mind today? What can I do for you? Armin, please welcome. Hi, David, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Hey, I wasn't really expecting you to take my call, but thank you. I left a comment maybe like last week about what was going what was going down in Armenia and our talk and ethnic cleansing going going on down there. And I just kind of wanted you to speak on it if you if you did do some research on it. You know, I just on these issues, I don't know that I'm the right person to really opine because it's not my area of expertize. I'm aware of what's going on. There's been this enclave Nagorno Karabakh. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, which has been completely

emptied after an entire ethnic Armenian population is fleeing. It is indeed being called an ethnic cleansing. It seems to me like it is an accurate term. I just you know, obviously, I'm against ethnic cleansing. I'm against violence, etc. I just don't know that I'm the guy to give any kind of particular hot take because I'm not as well versed in the history of the area. I'm not following it as closely as people who specialize in that. That's fair, David. Honestly, I didn't have another question already, so I asked you that again. But thanks for taking my call. I've been I've been listening to your show for about like four or five years now.

I appreciate that. Speaker 5 Thanks, David. Take care. Maybe maybe I'll have another question lined up next. Speaker 1 We have so many people lined up. It's not going to be any issue whatsoever. Why don't we go next to James from Pennsylvania? James, welcome to The David Pakman Show. What what's on your mind today? And James, you've muted yourself. If you unmute yourself,

I'll be able to hear you. And James, last chance, you self-muted. There you are. Hey, David, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Hey, David. So thank you for letting me speak. I was wondering, so you see how Americans like 60 percent of the paycheck to paycheck medical debt is skyrocketing. People don't want to take like ambulances, college tuition, skyrocketing housing prices and wages have kind of stayed the same. So what do you do? You think that we could look at like a different system or what would you think, like more social programs to try to ease in the burden on families? Because as of right now, as we see that people are the top one percent has more wealth than like 170 million Americans.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So when you say try a different system, what do you mean? Speaker 5 People are the top one percent has more wealth than like one hundred and seventy million Americans. Yeah. So when you say try a different system, what do you mean? I wouldn't say like maybe I'm going to rephrase that, and I mean, I'm not talking like capitalism, socialism, I'm just being like like I was like social democrat or democracy, whatever. It's more like more social programs. Yeah. So a couple of different things here.

First and foremost, wages have been increasing. And in fact, we've seen some of the fastest wage increases in decades over the last few years where you're right is inflation has also been high. And so inflation has exceeded wage increases. That's true. But I think we want to be accurate. And we have actually seen some of the more notable wage increases. A couple of different things I think are going on here where I think the US is not doing

enough is in the allocation of tax revenue in the most economically stimulative way. And so it won't come as a shock to people in my audience that we do need to use tax revenue, I believe, less so for defense spending. And by that, I don't mean like the tiny sliver of it that we give to Ukraine. I'm talking about the broader military industrial complex, the fact that we have 40 bases in Germany and so on and so forth. Much of that money without taxing anybody, anything more, much of that money could be reallocated in more economically stimulative ways. Food stamps, for example, which have been expanded under Joe Biden, which I think is great.

Food stamps are insanely economically stimulative. Every dollar put into food stamps has a very high economic multiplier relative to some of these other other forms of government spending or spending altogether. So I would like to increase some of those programs. I do believe there are areas altogether of society that should be taken out of the market system. I've said health care is one of those health care demand is completely inelastic. You're James, I'm guessing right now you don't have appendicitis. Is that right? No. How much would you be willing to pay for an appendectomy right now?

I don't have honestly, I guess I was like just maybe like two hundred dollars. No, but why would you say why would you pay anything? You don't need an appendectomy. Why would you pay anything? Well, not I. Now, if all of a sudden you got appendicitis, how much would you be willing to pay to take to get the appendectomy? I can't afford much or very little, but whatever it would take in order to save your life, is that generally the point here? This is going very wrong, James. But the point here is it's not like something like, you know, a sports car. If it's cheap enough, you might want one. Your interest in it goes up. But if it's too expensive, you're not so interested in it with an appendectomy until you need it. Your demand is zero. You're not willing to pay anything.

Why would you pay for a procedure you don't need? And then all of a sudden you need it to save your life. And that changes. So the point here is there are certain areas of the economy like health care, which I think need to be removed altogether from a market system. And so it's not a different system altogether, but it is a model that is that exists in Scandinavia and in northern Europe. That's the direction I'd like to go in. Can I ask you one quick follow up? Sure. So we saw that, you know, I told you that the top one percent owns more wealth than 170 million Americans. Yes. I'm not saying like try to seize wealth, but would you be interested in possibly a wealth tax? Because I heard it could bring in maybe like two point four trillion over

like 10 years. As I've said before, I think the wealth tax is problematic logistically and legally. I don't have any moral opposition to it. I just think there are practical issues with it in terms of what if people have to sell stock or like art in order to pay it? I don't know how you force people to do that. I don't know how you quantify the value of some of these things. Are you getting so I think that there's logistical problems. I also it doesn't really seem to me like legally it's going to fly. So I would look at other things. I think we need to tax dividends as income. I've said that before. I outlined an entire plan, but I have no problem with a wealth tax. I see it as difficult to implement. Speaker 4

All right. Thank you for letting me speak. Speaker 1 All right. James from Pennsylvania. Excellent to hear from you. We're going to take just like the quickest of breaks and then we'll go right back to the phones and hear from more people. So hang on. Many people know how hard it is to break bad habits, and sometimes you have to replace a bad habit with a better habit. And that is exactly what our sponsor Fume helps you do. Fume is not a vape. I don't advertise vape stuff. There's no nicotine. There's no electronics. Fume is a small cylindrical wooden device that just delivers plant flavored air. It comes in a variety of flavors that people love.

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yeah. It's been great listening to you. So I wanted to talk to you today about I'm sure that you've heard about the death of Doug Len, Senator? No, Doug Larsen. I have not. OK, so yes, the senator killed. Yes, Utah plane crash. I didn't owe a state senator. I did not hear about that. Yes, that happened yesterday. So I'm I'm actually I'm so I'm surprised that you didn't hear about it as this was a state

senator. Right. Well, I mean, I think that's why I didn't hear about it as this was a state senator, right? Well, I mean, I think that's why I didn't hear about it. There are so many state senators in the country and I just, you know, did not I'm not up to date, so to speak, on North Dakota state senators. But it is I see articles about it here. OK, OK, yeah, well, I just I guess I guess it is a lot smaller, but I mean, it's still kind of a tragedy and it is still it's always a tragedy i mean it's definitely yeah absolutely but it's it's and it's it's not

necessarily consequential to like the the processes of of the state because um they're probably going to just elect somebody very similar in politics to him in that regard. But still, I hardly saw it on any feeds. My wife told me about it, and she's not nearly as in tune to politics as I am. So I was just wondering why it just wasn't as big of a deal. It just seemed like a bigger deal to me whenever I heard about it from my wife than it actually appeared to be on the media. Well, I think I think my view on that would be obviously all of these deaths are tragedies. From what I'm reading, it happened in a small plane and small planes compared to commercial aviation are significantly more dangerous. And it also I mean, I'm not saying this guy is a nobody, but there's so many state senators

in the United States and in some total, I just it seems from what I'm looking at, like it got roughly the amount of media attention we would expect, which is there are some articles about it. It wasn't like major national news. All right. I guess that I guess that makes sense. I don't know. I thought that it would hit, you know, national news level just because, you know, well, I see an Associated Press article. Yes, they do have the Associated Press. I did read that. Yeah. All right. Well, yeah, I guess I don't really have much more to say on that. Maybe I'll talk to you again some other time. All right. Santo from Louisiana. Great to hear from you. Why don't we go next to Matt from Philly? Matt, welcome to The David Pakman Show. What's going

on today? Hey, David, how's it going? Go on. Fellow secular Jew here. Welcome. So I was watching your coverage of the debates for the GOP primary. A lot of them were bringing up fentanyl and how that is such a crisis. There's so many people dying and how that's making, I guess, the border one of the most important things that they're running on. Is there any kind of hypocrisy here? Because I feel like these are the same people who maybe attack George Floyd because he possibly overdosed on fentanyl or they're attacking Hunter Biden because he has the drug addiction. This is actually something they really care about or. Of course. So here's the deal with this.

Here's the deal with this. This is all about what's the deal with this. Here's the deal with this. This is all about what's politically convenient right now. So on the one hand, the argument about the border is the problem and Biden because of fentanyl and so on and so forth is framing those who overdose as victims because that's the convenient story in that context. The poor victims of Chinese fentanyl coming over the US Mexico border. On the other hand, when it comes to something like George Floyd or other individuals who they want to portray as perpetrators, all of a sudden they aren't victims of drug abuse.

If that's the story that is inconvenient to them. We saw this. We're seeing this with electric vehicles. Right. When it comes to the mining and refining of oil for decades, they're not concerned about the environmental impact because we've got to support the economy and we need oil and all these different things. They're not concerned about the fact that kids and women and every you know, so many people die over wars for fossil fuels and they're not concerned. They say, we've got to go to those wars. We've got to secure our natural resources. So whatever. And then now all of a sudden it's, oh, we care about kids in the Congo because of cobalt and we care about the shipping of the

batteries around or whatever the case may be. This is there are no principles here that are bigger than whatever is convenient at the time. That's the principle. Yeah, yeah, I agree. If you don't mind, one more quick question. Sure. If you had to choose, would you prefer a bagel or a B alley? I'm partial to the bagels in general because I think that they are better in the sort of applications I tend to favor. I don't know if people do it like do you cut a Bialy in half and put smoked salmon and cream cheese on it? I guess you could.

It's not something I've seen frequently. So for my preferred sandwich applications, the bagel works better. All right. I tend to usually prefer a B alley, but I guess I'll disagree there. All right. Matt from Philly, thank you very much. Great talking to you. All right. Matt from Philly. What a day. What a day. Let's go to Dima from Brooklyn. Dima from Brooklyn. Welcome to The David Pakman Show. Hello, David. Thank you for having me. Pleasure.

I wanted to ask you, I was a bit curious, how far do you think or rather how long do you think the United States will keep supporting the current government in Ukraine? I think the answer to that depends on who wins in November of twenty twenty four. To me, it seems as though if Joe Biden wins, there is an appetite to continue supporting Ukraine. There's an argument that it's a, quote, great deal that without troops on the ground, with a very small sliver of the total military or defense budget, Ukraine has been able to hold back Russia and create serious problems for Russia and what was thought to maybe be a very easy win for them. And so I think with that

paradigm in mind, if Biden wins, the appetite will remain. If Trump wins, it seems that it may be far more short lived. And I mean, Trump says he'll solve it in 24 hours. I doubt he will. But regardless, it seems that if Republicans are relatively in control and Trump wins or whoever the Republican is, that is the nominee wins that the support for Ukraine may be stopped relatively quickly, but maybe not. All right. Well, I appreciate your insight. Thank you. My pleasure. All right. Dima from Brooklyn. Great to hear from you. Let's go next to Matt from Yorkshire. Matt, welcome to The David Pakman Show. What's on your mind today? Absolutely. David, how to The David Pakman Show. What's on your mind today?

Afternoon, David. How are we? We're doing well. Good. I apologize if there's already been COVID. I did join in a little bit late. The with the speaker being ousted last night, I've just come across a tweet from Midas Touch touting some of the runners and the riders on there. I was just wondering what your thoughts might be. In terms of who will be the next speaker, you're saying? Yeah, well, the Midas Touch tweet, excretion, whatever they call them these days, throws up conspiracy theorist Nancy Mace. Steve Scalise is calling himself David Duke without the baggage. Jim Jordan, who we all know what he's been like. And of course, the giant orange

menace himself. I just I just thought who who gets who gets the nod to reckon. Listen, at this point, predicting what this Republican Party is going to do seems like maybe the most fraught exercise we could possibly partake in. These these people are nuts. OK, now I do think it's very unlikely that they will make Trump the speaker. It doesn't seem plausible to me. I may end up eating my hat, but it just does not seem plausible to me. I don't think it's going to be Nancy Mace or Jim Jordan. It seems to me that they're the most likely if we just say, like, what would be the least controversial way to approach this?

It would be that Republicans find some kind of consensus, moderate of sorts. And I don't know exactly who that is in the House, but that it would be someone maybe even relatively unknown to to us. But I mean, it's a very difficult thing to predict what crazy people will do. Speaker 5 Yeah. It's the crazy people that hold the power from what I can see. Yeah, to some degree, because you've got the idiots like Gates, Taylor Greene, Boba, who were what they exercise the power they had over over over the last one. So, yeah, very much so. Yeah, very much so. So listen, we'll see. I don't know how long it's going to take, but at some point I my instinct is we'll all be sort of surprised by the answer.

Do we do you foresee a several several rounds of vote in a couple more days of. Of the of the process, we have probably probably. Thanks for your time, David. All right. Matt from Yorkshire. Great to hear from you. Very much appreciate the call. Let's go to Lily from Germany, who is also a member at join Pacman dot com.

Lily, welcome to the program. I did. Very nice to talk to you. Likewise, I was I was wondering how you're selecting your topics for your show. Is it out of your interest or anything or what most people is going to pay for something? Or is it how you can influence a special topic to to change something? Maybe the topic choice is basically four different considerations. It's number one. What am I interested in talking about on a particular day?

Number two, what is the audience likely to be interested in? Number three, is this relevant in some way to what is happening in the world today? And number four, do I have something to say about it? If the answer is no to any of those questions, usually it doesn't make it onto the show. Makes a lot of sense. And if I could, well, I would very welcome. I'm a little nervous. I'm sorry. You're doing great. This is amazing. And if you could talk a little bit more about climate change, because whenever you talk about any of your subjects, I learned so much already. And I think you have, well, a lot of influence over over people and maybe one day it would help.

Listen, I am glad to continue talking about climate change. One of the difficulties about it, Lily, is we've said so much of what there is to say. We know so much of what it is we need to do. And yet until we actually get some consensus from some of the crazy people in the United States that it's time to do something rather than nothing. It's very difficult to make any headway. And so it's sort of like I will keep repeating, of course, what is the reality? But sometimes you get stuck and there's no movement because of the Republican Party.

That's so true. Sad situation. Thank you very much. Yes, it is. In Germany as well. Thank you so much. Yes, it is in Germany as well. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk with me. Speaker 1 All right. Lily from Germany, thank you so much for the call.

Why don't we go to Ryan from Auburn, New York? Ryan from Auburn, New York. Welcome to the program. Speaker 4 Hey, David, good to speak with you again. How are you? Likewise. I'm doing well. Speaker 1 Hey, I wanted good to speak with you again. How are you? Speaker 2 Likewise. I'm doing well. Speaker 1 Hey, I wanted to talk again about A.I.

I know that's what we talked about last time, but it just seems to be changing so rapidly and the ideas of what could be happening. So my first question is, what is your biggest concern with A.I. moving forward? Speaker 1 I mean, listen, I don't there are people who when you ask them this question, they will cite something super micro. I am not an expert in AI. So my macro concern is that it ends up doing more harm than the good that it brings and that the harms are unpredictable and catch us off guard. That's like, you know, there will be people who will get very micro and say, well, no, the specific harm is that it'll find a way to kill us or some.

Listen, I don't know. I'm not an expert in AI. My concern generally is we see many of the good things about it. The concern is the bad things will outweigh it and outweigh the good things dramatically and outweigh them in unpredictable ways. Right. Yeah. And I heard recently someone describe the 2024 election being the last human election, because at the rate that it's going now, there will be more AI-generated content, both images and written by 2028. I mean, I know it's kind of fraught to predict things, but I mean, if you had to if you had to guess what I mean, what what what is it even going to look like to to be consuming information online? Right.

In just several years from now, I don't have a prediction that is specific, but it seems to me that the cycle tends to be new technology presents a new challenge for knowing what is authentic, right? Like propaganda news articles presented a new challenge. And then so we needed to build some way to figure out what is real and what is fake news or whatever. So basically, the process will be. The deep fakes and the voice cloning and all this sort of stuff creates a new difficulty. And then there will be a second wave cycle in which we figure out technologies or systems to try to mitigate the ability of those technologies to trick people. And then it'll sort of all start over again with the next technology. That's the way it's gone in the past. Now, there are some who will say the current AI technology

is so different that it's not going to be quite so simple. And we'll have to take that head on when we get to that. But beyond that, it's very hard to predict. Yeah, and I hear that that's being said as a response. The concern is they're already using a like they use two eyes in tandem, one one to create something and then the other one to check to see if it can find the fake. So it's sort of a self-improving system. And the amount, the volume of content being put out is going to mean that, you know, like I saw, I'm part of a Facebook group that puts out, you know, fake images and I just follow it and watch it.

And they've already gotten on to Snopes dot com. And the idea being, you know, someone's going to have to debunk all of these images and the volume of images and the ease of creating them. Yeah, it just seems like it's mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling. And it's going to be this circular cyclical thing that you describe exactly, Ryan. I'm as horrified and curious as you are about seeing where it goes. All right. Well, that's all I had to talk about today. I really appreciate your thoughts.

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this is in all caps. In all caps, Davey Trump built 450 miles of the border wall. All you do is repeat the demo rats commie woke fake news talking points a whole stop your gotcha B.S. and stop lying. Your guests always make you look like what you are, a effing lying moron. It says a lot about imbeciles that supported a perverted pedophile that has the intellect of a fly S head scum like yourself. I'm cleaning this up for the FCC helped rig the 2020 election. Stop lying about it. You pile of S a hole. I worked at the Arizona polls. Stop lying. We were kicked out at 9 00 PM. Then the count was changed. Well, didn't they continue to count ballots? That makes sense. I watched numerous postal trucks

arrive at all hours of the night delivering fake ballots. How would you know they were fake? Piles of S like yourself are destroying the country. Please do humanity a favor and drink Drano. If this upsets you. Vote. If this upsets you, the best thing that we can all do is cancel out this clown's ballot. And I don't mean cancel it out by not count it. I mean, cancel it out by vote. All of us in every election we can vote in such that his vote is irrelevant. That is my suggestion. There's very little to say. I mean, this is really serious brainworms, really, really serious brain worms. And, you know. Mental health professional would be the appropriate next stop for this person. OK, let's just leave it there.

But the way to counteract these people is by going out and voting ourselves. Here's someone, I guess, from the left who says I'm causing a problem because I recognize that Biden is running for reelection or something. User Sinker from Reddit says, how much longer is David going to ignore the Biden polls? L.O.L. Time for a new candidate. David equals shill. Biden's now losing in almost 70 percent of the polls. Thirty seven percent approval. Seventy seven percent thinks he's too old. Sixty six percent of Democrats don't want him running. Twenty one percent approval among youth voters.

Down eight points with black voters. Independence leaving in droves. Many of these things are untrue. If this guy isn't pulled, we're effed. Whitmer or Newsome mops the floor. We're going to risk our democracy on some selfish 80 year old who doesn't even know how bad he looks. Guy can barely function. He walked off the stage in the middle of a Purple Heart ceremony and you could just see the spaciness in his dead eyes. This is a Titanic Hillary 2.0. You know, I've spoken about this so many times at this point that I don't know that there's anything else to say. The idea that I'm shilling for Biden, shilling what he's running for reelection. And to me, it seems like it would look really bad to pull Biden. I just call me crazy. It seems like that would attract bad negative

attention. Would I rather someone else? Yeah. Have I been saying for a while it's time to pass the torch to the next generation of leaders? Yes. I just don't know that it's so obviously a disaster for Biden to have a rematch against the guy he defeated last time, because I don't know in which states Trump has made any gains since 2020. And it seems that saying we're kicking Biden out and picking someone else would potentially do much more damage than whatever benefit this individual thinks it would bring. It's just an opinion. There's no reason to call people shills. There's no reason to do any of it. Chris Brown says some people just don't believe in your climate change theory. Well, it's not my climate change theory. I think this is an important thing.

There's this reaction narrative to the things I say that I'm just making these things up. I'm coming up with these things. It's not about my theory. We have the best scientists on the planet looking at the best data we have, and they've come up with our current understanding of what is happening. Is it conceivably possible that they're all wrong? And the point oh two percent of scientists who question elements of the understood climate change theory are the ones that are right. Yes, it is theoretically possible. Is that likely? It is not likely. So none of this is about me. And so many of the viewers that write in make it about me as if I'm coming up with this stuff. I'm not coming up with

it. People that know more about this than me and presumably you are doing decades of research and their understanding is that industrialization and human activities on Earth are causing unprecedented changes in the climate and that there are things that could be done and arguably should be done to deal with that. It's not me. It's not about me. User MQ eight QP says, so y'all Democrats hate Republicans for believing in Jesus. Very wrong. As I've pointed out before, there's no problem with people holding whatever religious beliefs they want to hold as long as they recognize that their religious beliefs should not play a role in determining civil law and in influencing government. If one religion thinks abortion is murder and another religion thinks abortion is necessary in order to prioritize women's autonomy, then which religion do you pick to say this is how the law should be

determined? No. Separation of church and state dictates that no religion is prioritized over another. No religion is established in civil government and non religion also does not get relegated to a secondary status, a period. So I don't really know of Democrats that have a problem with anybody believing in Jesus. Believe whatever you want. It's a private matter. Just don't use your arbitrary so-called sacred beliefs or texts onto civil government where it has no business being. This is sort of funny. DSC dude says they can never decide if he's sleepy Joe in the basement

somewhere or if he's the smartest crime boss ever. Yeah, there is an obvious conflict between Biden doesn't know where he is. He doesn't know when it is. He doesn't know where he is. He doesn't know when it is. He doesn't know that he's president. He doesn't remember anything. And he is essentially a demented invalid. OK. And he has organized a multi decade criminal conspiracy for the enrichment of himself and

his family and has done such a great job that there's no evidence that we can find. Which is it? Which is it? Please let me know. Lane Claypool weighing in about Russell Brand says just maybe they want to shut up Russell. They want to shut Russell Brand up. Could you believe that may be possible?

Yeah, this is the argument that Russell Brand made, which is he has so much influence all of a sudden and he's causing people to rethink the pandemic and he's causing people to rethink Russia's invasion of Ukraine and he's causing people to rethink vaccines that they I don't know who the establishment, the corporate media, Democrats, I don't know, the globalists, corporate media Democrats, I don't know the globalists. They want to shut up Russell Brand because he just has too much influence. The reason I struggle to believe that's why these multiple allegations of sexual assault against him, including evidence like his own texts asking for forgiveness.

It's hard to believe that that's all been concocted right now because his influence is so great when he has a YouTube channel that's 35 percent smaller than mine. It's just very difficult to believe. Would anybody believe it if I if if there were five people accusing me of sexual assault and I had texts on my phone where I'm saying, please, I'm so sorry for what I did. And I said, they're coming after me because my influence is so big. Would any of you believe that? It's very hard. I hope not. I hope that none of you would believe that. That's why we're skeptical. And here's a Facebook message. This guy wrote in and said, you are insane. You were part of the propaganda. You were part of the problem of this America.

I don't know what you think you're getting out of this. I have no idea. but you need help. You are a socialist. You are destroying America as far as America goes. Wake up, America. This guy is a nut. No punctuation. And then followed up with. We need a savvy businessman in charge of this country like we need. We need Trump so bad you have no idea. I don't understand your ideology. You must not have any idea how businesses run. I have businessmen get to be successful. You just run your mouth over and over propaganda. You Nazi. I'm not a Nazi. I'm Jewish. OK, I'm going to leave it at that. Think of maybe using a period or a comma, maybe a semicolon, even a double dash. Just consider it. OK, consider it. That's all I'm saying. If you have something you want to say to me, hopefully on the more coherent end

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