The David Pakman Show - 112625 Leaked Call Exposes Trump As Approval Craters Republicans Raise Alarm

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

-- On the Show: -- A leaked call shows Steve Witkoff coaching Russian officials on flattering Donald Trump to extract concessions for Vladimir Putin -- Donald Trump publicly misreads manipulation by Russia, mishandles policy questions, and doubles down on weak answers about trade, healthcare, and prosecutions -- FBI Director Kash Patel faces removal after reports of misuse of government resources, internal backlash, and plans to replace him with Co-Deputy Director Andrew Bailey -- New polling shows Donald Trump underwater in states he carried in 2024 with sharp drops among independents despite strong Republican base support -- Turning Point USA signals early support for JD Vance in 2028 as allies argue the movement needs a post-Trump successor -- Donald Trump keeps a reduced schedule, starts late, hides medical details, and shows visible fatigue -- Donald Trump delivers false claims, verbal stumbles, and erratic remarks in public appearances during a Thanksgiving event -- Kevin Hassett defends cheaper Thanksgiving pricing even though food prices are higher and Walmart replaced items in its meal with fewer, generic products -- Fox News reframes missed Trump's $2 gas promises as subjective while prices hover above three dollars -- Fox News host Laura Ingraham warns of looming midterm losses as historical data ties low presidential approval to major seat losses -- On the Bonus Show: A congressional race in Tennessee is neck-and-neck, national parks will raise fees for international tourists, a Campbell Soup executive called its products food for "poor people," and much more... 📄 UPDF: Get 50% OFF the world's best AI PDF editor and converter at https://davidpakman.com/updf ⚠️ Ground News: Get 40% OFF their unlimited access Vantage plan at https://ground.news/pakman 🖼️ Aura Frames: Use code PAKMAN for $45 off Carver Mat frames at https://auraframes.com/pakman 🛌 Helix Sleep mattresses: Get 27% OFF sitewide at https://helixsleep.com/pakman -- Become a Member: https://davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe to our (FREE) Substack newsletter: https://davidpakman.substack.com -- Get David's Books: https://davidpakman.com/echo -- TDPS Subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow -- David on Bluesky: https://davidpakman.com/bluesky -- David on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow (00:00) Start (01:59) Witkoff coaches Russia (09:19) Trump misreads Russia (17:20) FBI leadership shakeup (24:46) Trump underwater in polls (31:56) TPUSA backs Vance (39:04) Trump reduced schedule (45:33) Trump Thanksgiving missteps (50:35) Hassett defends prices (55:58) Fox reframes gas promises (1:01:20) Ingraham warns midterms  

We have a bombshell leaked call that exposes Trump as maybe the easiest mark on the world stage because his own envoy has been caught telling Russia how to flatter Trump so that Putin gets what he wants. Trump fell for it and then actually bragged about it. We're also going to look at areas where this administration is losing. Those are tariffs, jobs, foreign policy. And Trump's answers on these issues are so disconnected from reality that you do have to wonder whether he knows what's happening anymore.

And meanwhile, new reporting finds that the White House is protecting Trump curtailing his schedule in exactly the way that we were told was a problem when it was Joe Biden as president of the United States. Meanwhile, chaos at the FBI as rumors swirl that Cash Patel is going to be dismissed, although Donald Trump denies it. And then we will look at 20 red states. These are 20 states that Trump won where his approval is now underwater. Republicans are privately panicking.

Laura Ingram is publicly panicking about what this might suggest about the 2026 midterms. And meanwhile, is the price of gas a fact or an opinion? I know most of you know the answer, but it seems that there are some people who do not. We are in the last 24 hours of our Thanksgiving Feeding America Pledge Drive every new membership at join packman.com or at substack.Davidpac.com will be donated in its entirety to feeding America. We have raised over $15,000 funded over 150,000 meals. And it is the final 24 hours. Well, this one is really tough.

If you care about the perception of the United States as a strong country around the world, if you care about the perception of the American president as someone who is the one calling the shots rather than the one being played, let me explain what's going on. There's a newly leaked phone call. And what the phone call reveals is Donald Trump's special envoy, Steve Whitkoff, teaching top Russian officials, coaching them. How do you flatter Trump so that Putin gets what he wants? Not how do we get a just and equitable peace deal between Russia and Ukraine.

Not preparing them for the tough negotiator that is Trump. No, it is simply Steve Whitkoff telling Yuri Ushikov, who's one of Putin's top foreign policy guys, what do you need to say to Trump to flatter him so that he will then support this 28 point plan that was according to some drafted by Russia and which is way more favorable to Russia and that it is to Ukraine, letting Russia keep land that it stole and so much more. These are not broad talking points. Okay, Steve Whitkoff gives Yuri Ushikov a script and says, here's how you placate Trump. Here's how you suck up to Trump in a way that will get him to say, yeah, let's do this peace

plan, which is so great for Putin. Tell him he's a genius. Tell him his deal in Gaza is just brilliant. Heep praise upon the orange man. And then Trump will support massive concessions to Russia in this completely one-sided peace deal. Territory handed over the end of Ukraine's possible path to NATO. Russia, welcome back to the G8.

Everything Putin wants. And all you need to do is flatter Trump. We knew intuitively that this was how Trump worked. We understood that. But now we are seeing the proof of it where Donald Trump supposedly the master negotiator doesn't see any of it coming, falls for it instantly. So here is a transcript of this phone call that took place. Whitkoff says, Yuri, here's what I would do, my recommendation.

And Yuri Uschukov says, yes, please. Whitkoff advises him. I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the president on this achievement, that you supported it, you supported it, that you respect that he is a man of peace. And you're just, you're really glad to have seen it happen. So I would say that. I think from that it's going to be a really good call because let me tell you what I told the president. I told the president that you, that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace deal.

That's my belief. I told the president, I believe that. And I believe the question is, the issue is that we have two nations that. are having a hard time, coming to a compromise, and when we do, we're going to have a peace deal. I'm even thinking that maybe we set out like a 20-point peace proposal, just like we did in Gaza, which they did, by the way, and it's great for Russia. We put a 20-point Trump plan together. That was 20 points for peace.

And I'm thinking maybe we do the same thing with you. My point is this. And Yuri Ushikov goes, okay, okay, my friend, I think that very point our leaders could discuss. Hey, Steve, I agree with you that he will congratulate. He will say that Mr. Trump is a real peace man and so and so that he will say. Whitkoff explains to Ushikov. How do you placate Trump and get him to go with what you want? And Yuri Ushikov goes, we're going to do it.

I think that's a good idea. We'll say this, we'll say that. We will say whatever. Now, days later, what happens? Trump posts to truth social bragging, Putin calls. and congratulated me on my incredible accomplishment of peace with Gaza. That is exactly what Whitkoff told the Russians to have them say back to Trump. Trump got manipulated, and Trump then broadcast to the world how easily manipulable he is. Now, the bigger picture is that this is not

only about gullability, although Trump is really gullible. The leak of this phone call shows there isn't a broader strategy guiding Trump's foreign policy. There aren't overarching values that he won't compromise on. It's not even about what is primarily in the interests of the United States, and Trump is, after all, the president of the United States. Whoever flatters Trump the most gets what they want. If praising Trump, gets you American concessions, then our allies should be terrified and our adversaries are taking notes. Now, Putin is not stupid. We can say a lot of things about the Russian leader, and we do, but Putin's not stupid. Putin knows Trump needs to have his ego stroked at every opportunity.

He knows that Trump is enamored with strong men. He knows Trump will sell out an entire country and maybe even an entire alliance if someone tells Trump he's a genius. And it works. And how did Trump respond when the leak came out? Did Trump deny that he was manipulated? Did he fire Whitkoff? Because Whitkoff was advising the adversaries on how to get one over on Trump? No, Trump said that this is negotiation.

Trump doesn't even understand that he got played. We'll have the audio and video of that a little bit later. But the bottom line is the following. We have a Trump envoy helping Russia craft a plan. to carve up Ukraine and spoon feed it to Trump intermixed with compliments the way you would use with a toddler. Trump takes the bait and brags about it because Trump doesn't even have the wherewithal to realize that he's getting played.

So it is an embarrassment, but it's more than that. It's really dangerous at a core level because our adversaries are quickly learning as if they didn't know it from the first term, that our foreign policy is powered by memes, vanity, compliments, and ego massaging. That's a real national security risk. So my question is, you know, was Trump in on it in the sense of knowing exactly what was being done? Was he too clueless to recognize that he was being used and placated in this way? Either way, Ukraine loses under this deal. NATO loses. Democracy loses. But there is a winner here and the winner is Vladimir Putin. So tell me what you think in the comments was this stupidity. Is it corruption?

Is it merely the result of egomania as the primary driving force for Donald Trump? If you are as stunned by this as I am, make sure that you like the video and share it. And I'd love it if you hit the subscribe button as well. We need people to know just how far this goes. All right, so Trump is quickly losing credibility on everything. Trump has lost credibility on Russia-Ukraine negotiations after we found out that Trump has endorsed a peace deal that is phenomenal for Russia and terrible for Ukraine. Trump's losing on his health care plan, which was two weeks away in July of 2020. Trump's losing on tariffs.

Trump's losing on jobs. He just lost on the political prosecution of James Comey. And you have to see how he seems to have a complete and total inability to realize when he gets played. Here is Trump being asked about the leaked audio. This is the leaked audio where his envoy, Steve Whitkoff, is telling Russia how to play Trump. How do you manipulate Trump? Whitkoff says to Yuri Ushikov, have Putin praise Trump for the Gaza peace deal.

Trump will then give Putin whatever he wants. is asked about it and what's amazing is Trump doesn't get it. Trump doesn't realize he was played. Trump simply says, hey, these are negotiations. This audience, the Russians on how to appeal to you and get on their good time. No, but that's a standard thing, you know, because he's got to sell this to Ukraine. He's going to sell Ukraine to Russia. That's what he's, that's what a dealmaker does. You got to say, look, they want this.

You've got to convince him with this. You know, that's a very standard form of negotiation. I haven't heard it, but I heard it was standard negotiations. It was very much not standard. Trump doesn't understand what happened. And this is what makes him such an easy mark. This is the crux of it. He doesn't understand the ways in which he gets played, which makes him a perfect mark.

Whitkoff was telling the Russians, here's how you manipulate Trump. Trump is acting like Whitkoff was just kind of priming each side for productive negotiations towards something neutral. That's not what was going on. The Russians were being told, you have a plan that is phenomenal for you. Here's how you butter Trump up in order to get it. It's almost like Whitkoff is representing Russia more than he's representing the interests of the United States or of the global community. Trump is then asked by Jeff Mason, what concessions will Russia have to make as part of this deal?

And Trump's answer leaves a lot to be desired. next week in Moscow. Next week in Moscow? I think so. What kinds of concessions are the Russians going to have to make? Sorry. And the follow-up question is actually not from Jeff Mason. Okay, what concessions will the Russians have to make?

Making concessions, they're big concession to say stop fighting and they don't take any more land. Again, it's a one that would have never happened about as president. This was not anything that was going to happen. This happened because of the big concession is that they stop fighting. They stop fighting, well, everybody stops fighting if you make a deal, and they don't take any more land. And the word more there is doing some heavy lifting because this deal lets Russia keep a bunch of the territory that it stole.

What a deal. And Trump doesn't even seem to realize that he got played. Trump says he spoke to President Xi of China about buying farm products and see. says she agreed with me. And this is another example of how Trump now wants all the credit in the world for putting out a little bit of the fire that he started. Take a listen to this. I had a great talk. I have a very good relationship with her. I also had a very good talk with the presidency of China. And I think that part of the world is doing fun. Can you tell us about the content of your talks? Mostly trade.

I spoke to President Xi about a lot of things, but trade and buying our farm products. And he said, I think he's going to very much surprise you on the upside. I think he's going to, I ask him, I'd like you to buy it a little faster. I'd like you to buy more. And he's more or less agreed to do that. I think we will be pleasantly surprised by the- He has more or less agreed to do that. Remember that soybean sales used to be 25 million.

I forget the denominator. I believe it's metric tons. Used to be 25 million. It went to zero. And we are now supposed to prey at the altar of Trump. Because after Trump's tariffs brought soybean sales to China from 25 million to zero, they've placed a purchase order for a million, which by the way, hasn't even been fulfilled. And then they're going to start buying a little bit faster.

And maybe we'll get up to 12 million, although I don't even know that I believe that. But even if they did, it would be less than half of what they were buying. Trump set a massive blaze. And now he's putting out the shed. The fire is often the shed, even though it's still burning in the house. And Trump wants to be greeted as a hero for partially putting out that fire. Trump explaining in this Air Force One press gaggle his losses on Russian negotiations, his losses on trade.

He's taking losses left and right. And I don't know that he gets it. The issue of James Comey and Letitia James came up. As you all know by now, or maybe you do. We covered it earlier this week. The prosecutions against James Comey and Letitia James have been thrown out. Trump is asked about having faith in his prosecutor who really knows nothing about prosecuting Lindsay Halligan. And Trump goes, oh, she's great.

No, he's doing a great job, I think. This week we saw those cases against James Comey and Letitia James tossed out. Do you still have faith in Lindsay Halligan? She's great. I think she's great. They got out and taken to take the calum. You'll see what happens from here on. But if you look at the actual charges, I think anybody that looks at the very fairly

would say, boy, are they guilty? So let's see what happens over the next week. The court didn't say you couldn't bring the case, re-bring the case or appeal the case. So they have a lot of options. They're going to call the shot. I'm not calling it the shot. So Trump refusing to acknowledge that this is a. objectively a disastrous loss for his politically oriented prosecution of Comey and James, but he's taking

those losses left and right. We are going to talk about the rumors that Cash Patel is on his way out as FBI director, for what it's worth Trump denying it here. And there would be nothing like it. Are you planning to replace Cash Patel as a good. No, he's doing a good job? Cash Mattel? No, he's doing a great job, I think.

All right. Well, we'll see if Trump ends up kicking him out. And then finally, Trump asked about health care. Another area in which the losses are just piling up, here is Trump's current view on when we will get the damn health care plan. Mr. President, anytime soon. Well, we're looking at different alternatives. I mean, I like my plan the best. Don't give any money to the insurance companies, give it to the people directly and go out by their own health care plan.

And we're looking at that if that can work. We're looking at that. That's sort of taken off. That's what I like. Don't give the money to the insurance companies. They go out. They go out and buy their own plan. You give the money to the people.

The only problem, of course, is that the money you give to the people, they then spend with the health insurance company. So the health insurance company still gets the money. But you take away all leverage by saying to individuals, go negotiate. Have you ever negotiated with Aetna by yourself? It doesn't go particularly well. The losses piling up for Trump as we head into Thanksgiving. And then we've got the chaos at the FBI.

The insanity inside of Trump's FBI is reaching a fever pitch. And there are now widespread reports that FBI director Cash Patel is on the verge of being fired by Donald Trump. Now, the question that some are asking is, will Trump even let Cash Patel survive this weekend? For now, Trump says, no, Cash Patel is doing fine. But there are a number of reasons, a growing list of reasons that Cash Patel is in trouble. And these are the sorts of things that would get mid-level managers fired at a retail chain. Never mind if you're head of the FBI.

Now, let me just remind you. Cash Patel was caught using a government jet for what sources are calling a date night flying off to watch his girlfriend perform in Pennsylvania. He used an FBI SWAT team to protect his girlfriend, not to protect the country, to protect his girlfriend. This is the sort of stuff you tend to see in far more corrupt countries than the United States, although we're getting there. And reportedly, people inside the administration are just fed up with this.

Attorney General Pambandi, Deputy AG, Todd Blanch are annoyed that Cash Patel keeps posting these victory laps on social media that don't materialize. You know, he posts that we've had a breakthroughs. at what happened in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk killing and then months of work by FBI agents in some cases are blown up by the things that Cash Patel posts. And meanwhile, it is leaking from people close to Donald Trump that Cash Patel is on very thin ice. Now, Trump usually doesn't go public and say, I am not happy with this person. He usually insists that everything's fine until it's not.

But there are sources that are saying cash Patel's removal is closer than ever. There are replacements already being floated. Andrew Bailey, the guy that Trump slid into this weird co-deputy director role. His name is being floated as potentially the right person to take over for Cash Patel. And meanwhile, you've got Dan Bonjino, who is also co-de deputy director of the FBI, who would love the job. But apparently, he is not really in line for it. Now, in the middle of all this, the White House is public. pretending nothing is happening. They said, in addition to Trump saying, no, cash is great.

Everything's fine. The White House put out a statement saying Patel is critical to the team and he has participated in restoring integrity. Not exactly my interpretation of it. But this is exactly what you say when you are about to fire someone, which is you say we are really thrilled with the job that you are doing. And that can quickly transition into we are thrilled. about the next job that you are going to do. The timeline really matters because under federal law, Trump can replace cash Patel with Andrew Bailey without Senate confirmation as soon as December 15th. Bailey has to hit 90 days in his current position. On December 15th, he will. And if that happens, without a Senate confirmation, which would be very ugly, Bailey would be able to just take over for

cash Patel. So there is a belief because Bailey is seen at least as steadier than cash Patel. There's a belief that after December 15th, assuming that nothing happens this weekend, that after December 15th, Bailey is simply going to be put in there and he will be able to skip Senate confirmation, which is another theme we see with this administration, which is if we can avoid accountability, we can avoid confirmation hearings or whatever process is normally required, that is better. So if we zoom out, this is the way a lot of this stuff works with MAGA, you bring someone in who's incompetent or unqualified. They blow things up. They embarrass the administration. They get into public fights with loyalists and they waste taxpayer money. They make on

forced errors. And then you are fired essentially for the type of behavior that was rewarded upfront. So Patel might be busy doing a good job, but the knives are very clearly out. They've got a replacement lined up. And for now, Trump is saying, I'm confident in him. And that's the way it is. until the person is fired. So it is a cash Patel crash out. And the real question, if you believe the insiders who say this is inevitable, is does cash Patel have days left as FBI director? Or does he have weeks left at FBI director? At the same time, Tulsi Gabbard was very close to being out as DNI, Director of National Intelligence. But she went quiet, then came out and strongly praised Trump and she was able to survive. So we'll see. You think Cash Patel lasts two weeks? Let me know in the

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The link is in the description. You have to see what is happening in 20 red states. These are states that Donald Trump won. His approval is collapsing, absolute and total collapse, states that he carried a year ago. There's a new U-Gov economist poll. Trump is now underwater, meaning more people disapprove than approve of the job he's doing. In 20 states that he won in 2024. Overall, his approval is negative in every state other than 11.

This is not a one-state issue. This is not a regional decline. This is a broad national collapse. Now, just as an example, the biggest crash is in Oklahoma. In January, Trump was plus 27 in Oklahoma, meaning 27% of the population, 27 more percent of the population approved rather than disapproved. That is reversed by 34 points. Trump is now minus 7 in Oklahoma, a 34 point swing.

And that's one of the most reliably Republican states in the country. That is a shift so large that it is almost unprecedented for sitting presidents in states typically aligned with their party. Now, we want to really delve into the political implications. What does this mean in terms of, are Republicans going to lose the house in 2026, for example? The important thing is that this is not only in Oklahoma, Trump's approval is down in every state other than Idaho. Idaho seems fine with what Donald Trump is doing, but it's the economy dragging him down, the shutdown disruption, the Epstein document backlash, issues just keep coming up again and again and again. We look at the national trend.

It's pretty similar. Nate Silver said Trump's disapproval is now higher than at this point. in his first term. And then here's a report from CNN's Harry Enton about this. I think it's pretty clear, at least from a political angle that Democrats won the shutdown. Why do I say that? Well, first, let's take a look at Donald Trump's net approval rating. It's way down from where it was pre shutdown, right? Pre shutdown is that approval rating was at minus 10 points. Now it's at minus 15 points. The lowest his net approval rating has been during his entire second term in office. So the shutdown, it might have a,

been helping Donald Trump out a little bit, or at least his ratings weren't falling, but now his ratings have sunk to a term too low. What about Democrats? Is there a way to measure how they may have fared? Yeah, okay, so you know, a lot of times we look at, okay, what's congressional Democrats approve rating? I think that's the wrong way to look at it,

because what Democrats want is they want to get back into power. And the way they're gonna get back in the power is by winning the 2026 midterm elections, unless, of course, there are so many House Republicans who resign over the course of the next year, although that's not likely to happen. But take a look at the generic congressional ballot, Pre-shutdown, they were ahead by three points.

Where are they now? They're ahead by five points. All right. So a two-point gain for Democrats, but the big thing here is the collapse in Trump's approval. There's a Fox News poll, by the way, which found that 76% of the country, Fox News poll, and by the way, Fox polling is pretty good. I know sometimes people hear, oh, Fox News, Fox polling is sort of a separate arm from, you know, hearing Laura Ingram with her insane rants.

Fox polling found 76% of voters say the economy is. is not doing well. This is far worse than at the end of Biden's presidency. And by the way, that makes sense. The economy is objectively worse today than it was at the end of Joe Biden's presidency. And the polls suggest that it's inflation tariffs and uncertainty that are dragging down perceptions of the economy. Now, there is one other picture here that I think is worth noting.

Among Republican voters, Trump's approval is still high. Now, you don't go from plus 27 to minus seven in Oklahoma. with only Democrats and independents saying, I don't like what you're doing. His approval has declined among Republicans, but it's still quite high. And I saw a comment online about this, which is that it's perfectly fine for some Republicans to go, I don't like what he's doing. I don't think the economy is doing well. But if when it comes time to vote, they will still say, well, I'd still rather this over

any Democrat. the electoral implications can be sort of limited in that sense. So I think that another story here is it's not that Republicans are abandoning Donald Trump. It's that some of these broader coalitions that you need for stable approval. You need moderates. You need independence. You need certain demographics that move towards Trump in 24. They're drifting away.

I saw another poll, although I don't have it handy, and I should. was another poll about how after garnering a record high Latino support for a Republican in 2024, the vast majority of those Latino voters have moved away from Donald Trump, which makes sense, by the way. I don't know why they voted for Trump in the first place. As a Latino American myself, I can tell you there was nothing Trump was offering that was appealing to me. Now, when we think about the effect of this on 2026, the margin for Republicans holding the

is very, very narrow. They have like a five-seat margin right now. When a president's approval declines sharply in states they won just a year ago, midterm outcomes historically become a lot harder to predict. And even a modest shift among independence can affect a lot of these competitive house races that might come down to a point. Now, Trump is responding to all of this by saying the polls are fake. But I believe there is, if we want to be serious here, I think there's an opportunity. I don't know that Democrats and Republicans on average are going to agree, for example, on the issue of abortion or necessarily on what can be done or should be done with taxes. But I believe that there is an opportunity to find common ground with some of these Republicans on anti-corruption.

Listen, we can disagree about what the top tax rate should be. We can disagree about abortion. We can disagree about foreign policy. But this is an administration and a party that has come in and openly been corrupt. Trump is regulating crypto while his sons are running multi-billion dollar crypto grifts. They're doing deals in Saudi Arabia and Malaysia and while Trump is glad-handed. We need to unite against the corruption. And I hope and believe that to a degree that may be a message that can cross. party lines. With the midterms coming up in just 11 months, we're going to follow closely and see what

the effect will be there. Over the weekend, we put out a piece on our substack. Asking is Newsome versus Vance inevitable in 2028? We may be getting some information and closer to an answer when it comes to the Republican side of this question. So here we go. Turning Point USA, which is you know, the maga factory previously run by the late Charlie Kirk, I guess now run by his widow Erica Kirk, although it's not totally clear to me what their plan is. They are now acknowledging they're laying the groundwork for J.D. Vance 2028. Now, we are three years out. And I think it's important to remember that rarely, if ever, is the obvious nominee three years out, ultimately the nominee. Now, I'm going to come back to that. But this news comes straight from

Erica Kirk. She went on Megan Kelly's live show. This is the live Megan Kelly show. And she said after a bunch of Hemming and Hying that efforts to get JD set up to be the nominee in 2028 are in the works. Not a hint, not a suggestion, but that it is happening. Take a listen. Mobilize the youth, but also to share the message of how amazing the country we live in. Yes, we have faults. Anything with humans have faults. We're all sinful. but he appreciated that Charlie was always there for him, and he was always there for Charlie. And the president has always had a very soft spot in my heart

because I got to witness that he wasn't just the president to my husband. He was a friend, and I'll never forget that. And Jady and Usha have been incredibly supportive. It's been really nice to see. And I look forward to you guys throwing the full weight of turning point behind them in about three years. Am I being subtle? No, it's, don't worry.

It's already, you know, it's in the works. But it's in the works. It's in the works. None of this should surprise anybody. Charlie Kirk was basically J.D. Vance's hype man when Trump was looking for a VP last year. Charlie supported him and pushed for him. And before Kirk was assassinated in Utah, he apparently told Eric Kirk that one of the last things on his mind was making sure that Vance has.

support for 2028. So Erica Kirk is stepping in here and saying not only are they going to keep the organization going, they are going to do what they can to keep Trumpism going and keep it alive after Trump leaves office. They believe J.D. Vance is the guy to do it. Now, here's the part that nobody in MAGA wants to say out loud. Vance is not really Trump's guy. Vance is Peter Teal's guy. And Trump was reportedly sort of skeptical of Vance early on in the vans. VP search and it was not only Charlie Kirk, but also apparently Trump's kids who for this sort of like crypto technocratic teal-esque wing of republicanism liked the idea of J.D. Vance and Vance's political rise, including the cash that it was built on and the messaging and the connections,

it really was put in place by Peter Thiel. Teal's worldview is not working class red hat wearing MAGA, not even close. It's this billionaire techno libertarian project that wants less democracy. It wants more hierarchy. And it really would love to run government like a private equity fund. So if JD Vance does end up leading the Republican Party and MAGA into 2028, I don't believe that that movement's going to look like Trumpism 2.0. I think it's going to be potentially even more authoritarian. It'll be shaped by some of the ideological fans. fantasies of the tech oligarchs who see voting as an inconvenience that we have to deal with, but still figure out how to get what we want.

And I think that's the real subtext here, which is that turning point is pushing J.D. Vance because they want like a continuity. But what the people backing J.D. Vance want is an evolution. They want a shift. They want a post-Trump MAGA that is certainly more polished, but more obedient to the tech billionaire interests. And J.D. Vance is like the test pilot of that movement. Now, Erica Kirk did do the usual hedging.

She says, we have the midterms and, you know, Trump's in office now. And we should enjoy that and all of that stuff. That stuff is standard. But the big messages, they are building the infrastructure now and the plan now for J.D. Vance to ultimately be the heir to the MAGA throne. Now, I want to go back to the warning. The obvious natural inevitable nominee three years out is almost never the nominee. If you think about the 2008 primary and go back to 2005, no one in 2005 thought that Barack

Obama would be the nominee in 2008. If you go to the 2012 election, in 2009, no one thought that Mitt Romney was eventually going to be the Republican nominee. If you go back to 2013, Trump was treated like a joke, but he ended up being the nominee in 2016. Biden was written off in 2017 as he couldn't possibly be the nominee in 2020. So the point is, these things rarely move in straight lines. Coalition shift, scandals hit, et cetera. The arguable difference here is that turning point USA as a lever puller in Maga world is different.

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You can sort of like reporters can go home sort of thing. And right wing media, Fox News, everybody went into cardiac arrest. And every slow day where Biden didn't have a busy schedule was proof. Biden is senile and he needs to be removed. He's being hidden. He's unfit. It's a constitutional crisis. Well, look at what is going on now with Donald Trump.

Trump, 79, is quietly doing even less than Biden was doing when it was supposedly a crisis. And the very same people have nothing to say, which makes me wonder, did they, really care about how much Biden was doing? Or was it just a desperate attempt to try to attack Biden in any way that they could? What is this based on? There's a New York Times investigation, and it found Trump has scaled back official appearances 39%, basically 40%, compared to the same period during Trump's first term. The number of official events is down by hundreds and hundreds, almost by half of his public duties. And that is just taking massive chunks out of the presidency.

Trump's day used to start supposedly around 10.30 in the morning. Trump's day is often now not starting until after lunch anymore. Everything is being squeezed into noon to 5 p.m. on just about every day. This is exactly what they were flipping out about when it was Biden having days that were shorter than some wanted. How can you run the most powerful government on earth from noon to five? Well, I don't know. Are you worried that that's Trump's schedule? And then here's what really exposes the lie about how Trump is so energetic and all of this stuff. Trump has even cut back on golf. Now, I'm not going to play this game where it's like I criticize

Trump for playing golf and I criticize Trump for not playing golf. It's not a criticism. Trump has historically played a lot of golf. Trump loves playing golf. Saturday and Sunday, he was out at every club no matter what. But over time, Trump's golfing has diminished, diminished, diminished. You might say, well, David, that's because he's finally busy doing presidential stuff, but it's not. Like I said, his presidential duties have also been cut 40%.

And he's mostly only doing stuff at since starting afternoon and ending by 5 p.m. In November, and in fact, since October 19th, so this has now been five weeks, Trump has only played two rounds of golf. It's not because he's suddenly a workaholic. It's not because he's finally putting in the hours to better the country for the American people. It seems as though Trump's body and or brain can't handle the work of being president anymore. And increasingly, he's too tired to golf even. Is this a scheduling issue? No, it's not a scheduling issue.

This seems to be a decline issue. Consider the number of times Trump has fallen asleep on camera at recent events. The Oval Office meeting about weight loss drugs, Trump was struggling to stay awake, reacted when someone collapsed behind him. That's what it took to wake Trump up. So we have that. And then, of course, we have the medical secrecy. Trump, after revealing that he got an MRI at Walter Reed, doesn't know why he got it, doesn't

know what they were looking for. The MRI wasn't mentioned in the medical disclosures. So none of it is reassuring. And then I know you all have noticed this, even if you look at videos of Trump being interviewed two years ago, his speech has declined dramatically. The breadth of vocabulary has declined. It's not even the same guy from 2023, never mind 2020, never mind. mine 2016. So we've just got to be honest. Trump's slowing down and it is accelerating. The things

that we were told were dispositively negative about Biden, the reduced schedule, the reduced public events, et cetera. Trump's doing all of the exact same stuff. And so why don't the MAGA's care? Well, it's because it's Trump. They only cared about it when it was Biden. But there is a larger political issue that MAGA also doesn't want to talk about, which is that we are now hearing even from Dr. John Gartner, for example, Trump's brain isn't going to make it to the end of his term. His schedule is shrinking. It seems to be coinciding with what mental health experts are observing publicly. What is going to happen here? Is J.D. Vance, who doesn't have a cult behind him, going to have to take up some of the duties? I don't know.

Well, MAGA really is a one-man personality cult. And without Trump, I don't know what happens to the Republican Party. You combine that with tariffs driving more inflation. You combine that with health care costs that are skyrocketing. Republicans should own the fallout from all of this. And it could reshape the political map. But I just need the right wingers to answer some really specific questions. If Biden had a 40% schedule reduction, if Biden didn't start work until afternoon,

Remember, Biden was starting at 10 and they said that's too late. Trump's starting at noon. If Biden suddenly stopped, you know, Biden wasn't a golfer, but if Biden stopped riding his bike, if Biden fell asleep during meetings, if Biden had a secret MRI, would they shrug? Would they just go, eh, that's not really a story? Or would they demand that he be removed from office? Well, we know the answer because we saw it while Biden was president. So I want to hear from the people that are supportive of Trump and think this is no big deal.

Why don't you care that he's working a noon to five or 1230 to five and has cut his public and official duties by 40 percent? Donald Trump spoke yesterday at, I guess they're talking about it as a turkey pardon, although as usual, it's never completely clear that Donald Trump understands what is going on. and Trump telling easily disprovable or provable lies, including that there has not been a single murder in Washington, D.C. in six months. We're having murders like a lot of murders on a weekly basis. We haven't had a murder in six months. And it doesn't sound good even to say that. We haven't had a murder and sick.

Well, it doesn't sound good because it's a lie. But when you were averaging one and even sometimes two a week, And you haven't had one in six months. You can walk with your family down. Well, listen, it turns out there were eight murders in D.C. in October and there were five in September and eight in August. And it's just not, it's just not true. Trump doesn't care.

He just lies and he repeats it over and over again. Continuing to be the guy in the glass house throwing stones, Trump who is obese is now targeting Illinois governor J.B. Pritzker over his weight. Of every newspaper, it's out of control. The mayor is incompetent and the governor is a big fat slob. He ought to invite us in, say, please make Chicago safe. We're going to lose a great city if we don't do it. Obese Trump calls J. B Pritzker a big fat slob, continuing to lie about gas prices as well, saying we you'd better be careful because any day now we're going to have two dollar gasoline in a long time egg prices are down 86 percent since march and gasoline will soon be hovering around two

dollars a gallon yeah soon i guess we're two weeks from that as well now then it started to get really weird as if this wasn't bad enough donald trump talking about a woman who was burned and And that justifies deploying troops, I guess, to Chicago. And if I sound uncertain, it's because we often wonder what the hell is this guy talking about. It's fine. And I want to thank the National Guard. I want to thank Pete Higgs set. The job you've done here is incredible.

And I hear you having the same kind of success in Memphis, Tennessee. We had an even worse situation. And Memphis crime is down 64% in three weeks. And by the time you have four or five weeks, you're going to have a lot of six years. it down almost where there won't be crime. And we could do that in Chicago, by the way, if they would let us. If the mayor was a low IQ person, but he should understand this, this is a very serious thing. You saw all the crimes that took place last night, the night before, the woman with the burning, they burned the woman. To be talking about that now, they burned this

beautiful woman riding in a train. A man was arrested. 72 times. 72 times think of that and they'll let them out again. All right. So Trump barely knows what he's talking about. He can't even hold it together for just a turkey pardon and what is there. You know, sometimes when people start to get disconnected from reality, you look at what still connects them.

And for Trump, it's a desire to be an authoritarian. Deep down in there, he doesn't know what's going on. He's confused. He's disoriented. He can't even hold it together for a turkey pardon. But he knows he wants to send troops to Chicago. That he really, really knows. All right.

And here is Trump in the Thanksgiving spirit. It is almost Thanksgiving after all. We'll be talking about our favorite Thanksgiving dishes on the bonus show today. Here is Trump confusedly pardoning the turkeys. Let's go and give gobble, Waddle. The Waddle, by the way, is missing an action. But that's okay. We'll pretend Waddle is here.

The gift that they've been waiting for and I'll move over. And I will just say very nicely. gobble your pardon. Come on. Let's say it in front of gobble. Thank you very much, everybody. Isn't he so charismatic? So here goes Trump to pardon the turkeys. And, oh, I guess that's Melania. Anyway, I won't subject you to this entire thing, but they've got the turkey waddle there. He can't even get through a basic event without humiliating himself. But there is a really politically salient story here with Thanksgiving and Turkey. And it is the degree to which this Thanksgiving meal story has blown up. And Kevin Hassett is still going at it. I want to talk about that

next. This is the face of a liar, ladies and gentlemen. This Thanksgiving meal cost story is really causing them a lot of problems. Let me give you the backstory on this. Walmart, or as Trump calls it, Walmart, put out something like 10 or 14 days ago, an announcement that this year's Thanksgiving meal deal is cheaper than last years. And the White House ran with it saying, look, Thanksgiving is cheaper. We looked at it. It's been fact checked. And the truth is that the reason that it's cheaper this year is they removed a bunch of items. So it's a smaller meal. And they also replace some brand name products with cheaper store brand products. As I've said before, it's not that store brand products are bad, but they are cheaper. And that's a way to make things cheaper.

You can, you know, if I could easily say, hey, children's medicine is way cheaper this year than last year. And I go to you and I show you, look, last year when I bought name brand Benadryl, Tylenol, and Advil for babies, here's how much it costs. And this year it's cheaper. But then you look and you go, well, it's the CVS brand Benadryl. And it's the CVS brand Benadryl. And it's the CVS brand, you know, ibuprofen and a sediment event. You would rightly say, but David, you're comparing apples to oranges. You're looking at cheaper products. That's what they did. Kevin Hassett over the weekend tried to pull this on the Sunday shows. And we covered it and we debunked it. And he said, oh, Thanksgiving is cheaper. So Kevin Hassett goes back on TV and he goes, oh, they think they caught

me on this one, but they really didn't. Take a listen to what he has to say, which by the way, completely misses the point. Favorite moments on a Sunday show for me last week was on one of the Sunday shows. You can look it up. I won't attack the poor fellow that was the anchor. He criticized the fact that Walmart said that the Thanksgiving dinner is cheaper by, I think it was about $10 for a typical Thanksgiving dinner. And then he said, oh, yeah, but they substituted generic stuff as if like having a generic

something is a crime for ordinary folks. It shows how to touch these people are. I get to hear it. It's so silly. It's not about being out of touch, Kevin. It's that it's objectively cheaper. Kevin Hassett is sort of pretending that the reason we're pointing out, these are generic brands, is because we are elitists of some kind and that it's simply objectively cheaper. I will show you. Here is the Walmart website. As you can see, this meal deal or whatever includes great very very.

value brown gravy mix, great value is the Walmart store brand. That is 64 cents. The name brand gravy from McCormick costs about twice as much. So simply by putting in the cheaper store brand, you lower the price. It doesn't actually mean prices have come down. Another example, this includes the great value sweet corn. That's a dollar, uh, fifth. Those are 50 cents each, rather, three of them for a dollar 50. brand name corn from Del Monte is more than twice as expensive. It's $1.25. So this is not about elitism or people don't deserve store brands or whatever. It's more expensive for the name brand products. They've removed items and swapped in cheaper products. This is a very risky game politically

because Biden tried insisting it's just awesome. Everything's awesome. There's no need to worry about the economy. And people felt that there were economic calamities. And that hurt Biden while he was the candidate and it ultimately hurt Kamala Harris. They are doing the same thing now. Just insist that everything's cheaper. Everything's great. People don't believe it. And it's being reflected in the polls. Now, meanwhile, at Marilago, they're going to have steak and lobster. It's going to be a beautiful surf and turf Thanksgiving. It'll still be crappy because the food there sucks, but it will be expensive. And Kevin Hassett is meanwhile saying people should be happy with their 64 cent gravy instead of the dollar gravy because they're poor anyway. And who cares what the elites say? I don't

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about what are facts. And this is not a question, what are the facts? It's simply what are facts. And one of the things that I argue in that chapter is that increasingly, we have a disagreement in this country not only about what the facts are, but what sort of a statement even counts as a statement of fact versus a matter of opinion. Now, I want to remind you that on the issue of gas prices, Trump has continually promised $2 gas and regularly insists that gas prices have come way down since he has become president. Now, in some places, Americans are paying over $3 a gallon. In some places, it's over $4 a gallon.

Basically, gas prices are flat since Trump came into office. And there are a lot of people that are angry. We remember that Trump said the tariffs would bring prices down and energy would come down. Drilling would make everything cheaper and gas would be cheaper. None of that happened. So what does Fox News do? They try gas price relativism.

Fox News is now framing Trump's lies about gas prices as conflicting views. People have conflicting views about gas prices. Take a listen to this. Yeah, always better to me to drive than to fly, Sandra, but you know, gas prices. Well, what about that one behind me? Yeah, that's the most expensive gas in the state of Pennsylvania, $4. and nine cents the average gallon right you are about a dollar more than the national average and you know people have conflicting views about gas price now look while he says people have conflicting views

it says on the screen that right now gas prices are 305 and last month they were 305 and last year they were 305 it's on the screen as the administration says it's lower than it was others say it's higher with the reality is well you see it right there it's pretty much the same same as it was last month last year, $3.5 cents. That despite the change in energy production and energy prices, 13.7 million barrels a day pumped the last month we've got data. And that not only is a record in the US, but an all time record. Yeah. Fox is suggesting gas prices are like a movie review, you know, a lot of people like the storyline. Others found it a little too on the nose. There were people who found the acting credible and believable while others did not feel that way and thought that the actors were overacting.

Some people believe gas is cheap. Some people believe gas is expensive. Now, they do include in there that gas prices are essentially flat. They put the price up on the screen 305. The problem is Trump promised much lower prices. We really need to get beyond the gas prices or an opinion sort of thing. Gas prices are flat. Trump hasn't brought him down.

But the truth, of course, is that he promised to bring them down. This isn't a vibe, right? A gallon of gas doesn't cost what you feel it costs when you wake up in the morning. Workers and families have to pay the number on the sign. And Fox is sort of suggesting that there are conflicting views as if it's an opinion. If Trump says gas is cheap, well, then I guess gas is cheap, even if every American sees that that's not the case. Now, here is the gas price chart. And you see that within a very narrow band of about 15, not even about 10 cents, gas has

basically been at 305 a gallon. When Trump took over, it was 305. It spiked all the way up to 327 and then came back down to 310, back up to 320, back down to 310, back down to about $3, 298, even at one point it hit. And then it's back up to 305. It's a few cents plus or minus, but it is flat. The new rule in Trump's America, I guess is you don't really have to fix the problem. You just have to tell people that the problem is an illusion and hope that they stop complaining.

Didn't work for the Biden administration. Fox used to try to spin numbers. Now they just kind of gaslight. They put the number up, but then they go, there's a lot of different opinions about what's going on with gas prices. And it's happening, I believe, because Fox News knows something that Trump doesn't want to admit. People do vote based on what they are actually paying, what they're paying at the pump, what they're paying at the grocery store. And right now, they are paying the same or more

relative to Trump's promise of bringing prices down. So Trump says it's great. Fox says there's different opinions about the cost of gas. What are voters going to do in 11 months? I've said it before, and I think it bears repeating. None of this is about reality. This is about MAGA as a movement telling people, believe what we say and not what we see with your own eyes. Trump even said it in his first term. Don't believe what you are hearing and seeing. Believe what I tell you. So I want to hear from you.

Does anybody out there have $2 and something gasoline? But also, what are you actually paying? Is it $350? Is it $450? I want to hear from you. Leave a comment. Make sure to like the video as well. A Fox News host is sounding the alarm and good for her.

Laura Ingram is panicking and she's acknowledging Republicans are facing serious destruction in the 2026 midterms. Hilariously, Laura Ingram had Katie Miller on her show. This is the wife of the deranged inherently disgusting Stephen Miller. She has a podcast now. Katie Miller does. Why anybody wants commentary from Katie Miller? I don't know.

But listen, here's Laura Ingram saying we could have a real problem for Republicans coming up here. Okay. Okay. Okay. One thing that we should also see, Mark is right, the midterms right now look ugly unless the Republicans really get serious. Yeah.

History gives us a pretty grim baseline for any party that holds the presidency going into a midterm, especially when it is a change to the party in the White House. And especially when presidential approval is this low. So let me walk you kind of through it. The basic rule with midterms is that the president's party almost always loses ground. Since World War II, dozens of midterms, the typical result is a net loss of 25, 26 House seats and about four Senate seats. That's the average, okay?

The reason it's considered normal is because midterms for a long time have served as a kind of referendum on the president and their party. So voter turnout is usually lower. Excitment is usually lower in midterms. the electorate becomes more likely to punish the missteps of the party that holds the White House over anything else. The size of the collapse, meaning how many seats flip, depends on how popular the president is when voters turn out.

For presidents with an approval rating under 50, remember, Trump's at 37. For presidents with an approval rating under 50, historically, the party in power loses 37 seats in the house. When presidents enter midterms with approval over 50, they tend to lose only 14 seats in the House. So let me give you some real examples. Two of the only three modern midterms were the president's party gained House seats. The president had really strong approval. In 1998, under Bill Clinton, he had 66% approval.

Democrats gained seats. In 2002, under George W. Bush, in the aftermath of 9-11, which had this kind of rallying effect for Americans. Bush had a 63% approval. Republicans gained seats in 2002. But the gains were really small. Democrats only got five seats in 98. Republicans only got six seats in 2022.

So the downside risk is massive. Now, we zoom out. In 17 of 19 midterm since World War II, the president's party loses seats in the house. It's structural. voters show up differently. The president's name isn't on the ballot. And when you see prices going up, instability, policy backfires like on health care, the people in charge of the White House are the ones that lose. Now, plug into that what we know right now. Historically low approval

rating for Donald Trump, controversial policies that a lot of people don't like, economic pain, growing public frustration. And so Laura Ingram looks at this and she goes, wait a second, We are sliding towards total destruction in 2026 unless something changes, and she may be right. If Republicans don't dramatically reverse course or figure something out, there are some models that have them losing 50 seats that sounds high to me, but they could certainly lose 25, 35 or 40. All of that would take away their majority. And that ends Donald Trump's presidential term with regard to anything other than what you can do by executive order.

So that's the context behind Laura Ingram's panic. Now, here's just one bonus clip in case some of you really do want to hear from Katie Miller. Here is Katie Miller saying Trump has accomplished everything he promised. And Laura Ingram looks a little bit skeptical here. I've said this again and I'll say it one more time is President Trump has accomplished every single one of our policy platforms from the RNC convention. He did? When has it ever happened? That's why Democrats are floundering.

Yeah. And Laura Ingram is looking at her like, Yeah, didn't you just hear me say that Republicans might get brutalized next November? So listen, buyer beware. Be careful of what don't count your chicken. I don't even know what the right metaphor or aphorism here is. But the confidence that Katie Miller is espousing there seems very much not to comport with the facts. Now, on the bonus show today, we are going to look at a Tennessee special election that is getting very

interesting. National parks are now raising fees for foreign tourists. Is this a good idea? And Campbell Soup's executive, an executive from Campbell Soup says its products are for poor people. What? All of that and more. Plus our favorite Thanksgiving dishes on today's bonus show. Hope you have a great Thanksgiving if you are celebrating. If you're in the United States for our foreign audience just remember we are up against the holiday here in the united states so no show tomorrow talk to you soon