The David Pakman Show - 11/8/23: Dems win almost everything last night, MAGA melting down

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

-- On the Show: -- Democrats have a strong showing on election night 2023, securing abortion rights in Ohio, re-electing Democratic Governor Andy Beshear in Kentucky, and a number of other wins -- Donald Trump's endorsement of Republican Daniel Cameron for Kentucky Governor goes down in flames as MAGA melts down over election losses -- Republican Brad Benson is charged with felony child pornography charges just hours before his election to the Granbury, Texas city council -- Fox News host Jeanine Pirro says she has "always been offended by the transgenders" in an unhinged segment on The Five -- Danya Perry, lawyer for Michael Cohen, describes Donald Trump's testimony this week as "bonkers, bananas, crazytown," and "unhinged" -- Attorney General Letitia James was reportedly laughing out loud during Donald Trump's testimony in court this week -- Alina Habba, lawyer for failed former President Donald Trump, gives multiple interviews after Trump's testimony, each even worse than the last -- Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene slams fellow Republicans in a growing civil war -- Born-again Christian voicemail caller calls in to explain some things to David about how the world works -- On the Bonus Show: Joe Biden announces $1.3 billion for power lines and an upgraded electric grid, newborn syphilis cases reach "dire levels" according to the CDC, Nikki Haley prepares for a major battle with Ron DeSantis at tonight's Republican presidential primary debate, much more... ☕ Beam melatonin hot cocoa: Get up to 50% OFF at https://shopbeam.com/pakman 🥘 GreenPan: Use code PAKMAN for 30% OFF and free shipping at https://greenpan.us 🍜 Use code PAKMAN5 for $5 off immi ramen noodles at https://immieats.com/pakman5 🛡️ Incogni: The first 100 people to use code PAKMAN will get 60% off at http://incogni.com/pakman 🍷 Naked Wines: Use code PAKMAN to get 6 bottles for $39.99 at https://nakedwines.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

Speaker 1 Well, a MAGA nightmare has hit the country, Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, very disastrous results for the Republican Party. Great results for Democrats. And this should caution anyone who is looking at, you know, the recent New York Times Sienna poll that says Biden's losing five swing states. It should caution anyone from assuming that Joe Biden is out because it is now one, two, I guess four elections in a row, five that have gone poorly for Republicans underperforming. And we are going to dive into all of it. The narrative among some on the right and some on the left is Joe Biden simply cannot win. He's too old. He's ineffectual. He's not exciting. Democrats

are destined to lose if they go with Biden next November. The other narrative, which is the one that's based in fact, is damn. Democrats are winning and winning again and winning again. And we had some elections last night. Let's discuss those results. Abortion rights won either directly or indirectly in Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia. None are major blue states. Virginia has leaned blue at sometimes in the past presidentially, but they elected a Republican governor, Glenn Youngkin. And look at what we have. Ohio decisively passing a constitutional amendment guaranteeing access to abortion in Virginia, where Republicans pushed a proposal to outlaw most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. Democrats are projected to take

control of the state legislature. They campaigned on we will keep abortion. Republicans want to get rid of it. Glenn Youngkin, cuckoo Glenn Youngkin wants to get rid of it. We want to keep it. And Democrats will hold not only that, uh, now it's this, they prevent the Senate and house from going to Republicans in Virginia, making Glenn Youngkin, you know, Youngkin was talked about as this guy could run for president in twenty twenty eight. He has now lost control of the House and Senate. He may accomplish nothing over the next however many years. Going to be very hard to argue. Make me the president. And in Kentucky, a very red state, Kentucky has reelected the Democratic Governor Andy Beshear, who went after his opponent, Daniel Cameron, for supporting a near total ban on

abortion in the state. Here is Andy Beshear last night. You really love to see this, particularly in the red state of Ohio. My folks, this wasn't my win. This was our victory. It was a victory that sends a loud, clear message, a message that candidates should run for something and not against someone. That a candidate should show vision and not so division. Yeah, right. And a clear statement that anger politics should end right here and right now. Speaker 1 So you get the idea.

And Bashir really is the type of Democrat that would be interesting as a next generation Democrat. Other wins yesterday, a Democrat won an open seat on the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. His name's Dan McCaffrey after campaigning on a pledge to uphold abortion rights. Now, none of this means 2024 is secure, that it's in the bag, that we don't have to go out and vote. This is just a good sign. We look at a bad sign like some polling and we look at a good sign like the way people are actually voting.

We look at Chris Christie tweeting, by the way, quote, Trump endorsed candidate Daniel Cameron loses the governor's race in deep red Kentucky. Another loss for Trump. The losing will only end for Republicans if we rid ourselves of Trump. Trump loser in 18, 20, 21, 22 and now 23. And Chris Christie makes a really good point. Think about the Republican Party since 2016, when Trump won his primary and then defeated Hillary Clinton, um, in the

electoral college to become the president in 2018, Republicans losing control of the house in 2020, Trump losing the white house to Joe Biden, Republicans failing to get control of the house in 2020, Trump losing the white house to Joe Biden, Republicans failing to get control of the house, ultimately losing control of the Senate after those Georgia special elections. Then you've got the 2022 midterms by historical standards. The 2022 midterm should have been terrible for Democrats. Supposedly a red wave was coming. And in reality, Republicans got the house, but barely and barely with some horrible edge cases like lying Congressman George Santos, who was elected pretending to be a completely different person

that he isn't even. And in fact, in the red wave, 2022 midterms, Democrats grew their margin of control in the Senate by a little bit. The reality is the reality is. This has been a disastrous series of election cycles for Republicans and a very important takeaway from what we saw last night, especially for the people that are panicking about the twenty twenty four polling. Democrats outperformed the polls last night. The polling did not suggest that Democrats would do as well as they did last night. So we have a small signal from 2023 on to 2024. We go. Let's discuss the right wing meltdown over what happened last night. It is an incredible sort of insight into where their minds are. So we had these great wins for Democrats last night directly or indirectly about abortion

rights in so many states overperforming, outperforming the polls. Let's talk about the reaction from the MAGA right. First and foremost, you might not know it from looking at Trump's statements over the last 12 to 24 hours. Trump endorsed the guy that got crushed in Kentucky. Trump endorsed Daniel Cameron in Kentucky, wherein he just a few days ago put out a troth where he said, wow, Daniel Cameron of Kentucky has made a huge surge now that they see my strong endorsement and the fact that he's not really a McConnell guy. They only try to label him that because he comes from the great state of Kentucky. Anyway, go, Daniel. Great future for

you and your state. You will bring it to new levels of success and I will help you. A strong endorsement from Donald Trump. Cameron got crushed in a deep red state by the Democrat Andy Beshear. And if you look at Trump's truth central last night, central, not even mentioning it, not even mentioning that he endorsed Daniel Cameron, not mentioning that Daniel Cameron lost posting instead only congratulations to Tate Reeves of Mississippi on your great reelect win for governor. It's like it didn't even happen. Let's look at other reactions from MagGA to last night's Republican disaster.

Here is Mark Levin's reaction. Mark Levin's reaction is they need more MAGA, more MAGA. The truth about yesterday's off year election. Once dark red, Virginia has moved blue because immigrants and federal bureaucrats have flooded into northern Virginia, which has changed the state politically in Kentucky. Cameron lost not because Trump endorsed him and upset as obsessively stupid Trump hater, Chris Christie claims, but because he is a Mitch McConnell protege who was not a forceful advocate of conservative principles and Biden's failures. This should be a lesson for Republicans. Rhinos have no winnable message. So Mark Levin is saying this guy wasn't MAGA enough. Sure. Trump endorsed

him, but he wasn't MAGA enough to win. That's an idea. I mean, certainly there's no factual basis for that. Here's religious broadcaster David Brody flabbergasted that anyone would support abortion rights. David Brody posting to Twitter or X quote, here's an absolute disgusting exit poll statistic from last night. Why do all these guys randomly capitalize stuff? I don't know. Twenty four percent of so-called white born again or evangelical Christians voted for Ohio's pro abortion constitutional amendment. It's not just the left, just horrible. This is the reality. This is the realization.

It is not just Democrats who believe that abortion should be accessible, safe and legal. It is increasingly Republicans as well, and Republicans who refuse to acknowledge that will continue to lose. Now to his credit, here's a clip of Sean Hannity last night admitting if they go too hardcore on abortion, they're going to lose in a landslide. Whatever Hannity's personal views are, he is at least connected to the reality of where the country is on this issue. Listen to this post-mortem from Hannity. But Democrats are trying to scare women into thinking Republicans don't want abortion legal under any circumstances. And I go back to Pennsylvania, 2022, the Republican candidate for governor,

if I remember correctly, no exceptions for rape, incest of the mother's life and lost to a non incumbent gubernatorial candidate, Democratic candidate by a margin that was not seen since the 1940s. So I have to believe that is an indication that the women in America, suburban moms want it probably legal and rare and probably earlier than, you know, at the point of viability. Speaker 1 There you go. So Hannity, even if he's not right about the entire specifics, there is recognizing the so-called suburban moms that Trump said he was going to ride to victory.

They seem to want abortion legal. Now, here's a different perspective. This is just delightful copium, by the way. Here's Rick Santorum on Newsmax. He says that when you keep putting sexy stuff like abortion on the ballot, of course, Republicans lose nothing hotter than abortion on the ballot. And you put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot and a lot of young people come out and vote. It was a it was a secret sauce for disaster in Ohio. I don't know what they were thinking, but that's why I thank goodness that most of the states in this country don't allow you to put everything on the ballot because pure democracies are not the way to run a country. There you go.

You know, if we just stopped letting people vote on stuff that's important to them, sexy, hot stuff, steamy stuff like abortion, we'd win much more easily. And by the way, this is the same Rick Santorum who used to be a political analyst on CNN. Now he's on Newsmax. So evaluate that, evaluate that as as as you want. Here's one other clip from Newsmax. This is also a good one. And, you know, I have to say this is actually a better commentary where the Newsmax guy I forget this guy's name says the Republican Party seems to have a problem winning. And it's like, yes, yes, they do.

That's an act. Here is an accurate analysis. As far as you know, it does seem like the Republican Party generally has a real problem with with winning. You know, it certainly was in the midterms here and now in this one as well. And you wonder, do we have the right people in place to be putting the messaging together to the people that are supposed to be there to get the early vote out to do these jobs? You wonder about the RNC. Do we have the right people running the show? No, we we're not doing something right.

I think that's correct. Yes. Yeah, I think, Rob, I think you're right in a lot of places. I would say these state level races, RNC doesn't really play a role in voter turnout. That's run by the team on the ground. And that in Virginia is led by Glenn Youngkin. So this guy, Ken Cuccinelli, is just blaming the local people saying that it's not so much a broad Republican problem, but this is actually a good commentary. There is a real problem here for Republicans. And lastly, Chris Christie blames Trump.

Chris Christie saying that, quote, Trump is political and electoral poison, blaming Trump for at least some of last night's losses. We are going to continue following this very closely because it's really easy to get wrapped up in, oh my God, Biden's loosing Michigan all of a sudden a year before Trump's not even the nominee. There's a lot that still has to happen. And most importantly, Democrats are regularly overperforming polls and Republicans have done terribly in national elections since Trump came on the scene. They don't seem ready to abandon Trump. And that is only to their own detriment. So if anything, when we see a negative poll, when we see a poll that's negative about

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I guess you could call it sad to a Republican candidate last night, hours before his election. He was arrested and charged with child pornography related offenses. They're saying it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Newsweek reports. Look at this. A Texas Republican city council candidate is facing felony child porn charges after being arrested just hours before the elections. Brad Benson, a candidate for place number four on the city council of Granbury, Texas, was arrested November 6th. I can confirm he was arrested by the district attorney's office yesterday, has been charged with two felony child porn charges. He should have a bond set today. The Republican Party of Hood

County withdrew support after the charges emerged. Quote, crimes of this degree. Look at this guy. Crimes of this degree tear at the heart and soul of society, and we condemn them in the strongest terms. The Republican Party stands for the conservative family values and protection of children. These heinous acts are antithetical to what Republicans stand for. Are they really? Are they really? Now, few caveatsats, alligator indictments are allegations. They have not been proven. He has not been found guilty of anything. He deserves his day in court just like anybody else.

But one of the things that's important to remember is it's not really clear that these are antithetical values to what the Republicans actually are willing to vote for. Let me remind you, Roy Moore in Alabama Senate race lost by only one point something points to Doug Jones, despite multiple accusations of assaulting minors. He was banned from a mall when he was younger. I believe he was in his 30ies picking up teenagers younger and just on the edge and younger than the age of consent. I mean, and he only lost by one point seven because it's a deep red state, Alabama. And these Republicans, many would rather the child porn guy or the serial accused sexual assaulter than a Democrat. It really is that simple. And so it's just another example of how they say, here are our values. Here's our set, our package of values. And we adhere to them and

they involve, you know, family values and taking protecting children as well as low business regulation and no cronyism. But then as soon as it's inconvenient, then they go completely the opposite. And when their candidates do it, often they go, well, it's still better than choosing a Democrat. So there it is, a guy that, you know, I mean, it is we'll it never fails to surprise initially, but then you go, oh, right. They voted for Trump despite 46 allegations of sexual harassment or worse and saying he could shoot people on 50. Of course, this shouldn't actually surprise us that these are the sorts of folks that are running Fox's. Jeanine Pirro says transgenders offend her. This is another one of these. You know, Fox News continues to bravely cover the biggest issue of our time.

Trans women in sports. Here's Jeanine Pirro saying transgenders offend her. Then we will discuss it. But is this is this what the Equal Rights Amendment there was intended to do? I haven't read that Equal Rights Amendment, but the way they're interpreting it is they're basically saying that the Equal Rights Amendment says that you cannot deny someone participation in a team based upon gender. OK, so to me, I've always been offended by the transgenders. I've always been offended by the Leah Thomas's swimming as women against women. OK, but this is worse because you're not swimming in your own lane.

This is literally combat. And these men who historically are stronger than women, that's the end of it. Being allowed to compete with women in this kind of sport is dangerous. And I'm not surprised at what happened. Now, I'm sure she was wearing a mouth guard. Apparently, her injuries were so horrible, whether it was accident or a guy who was so confident, I'm going to show these women, you know, how to play. It just the whole stadium apparently was traumatized by what happened. She lost teeth. She lost. I mean, she was all full of blood. I mean, this is very serious. So you've got men's lacrosse, women's lacrosse. You've got field hockey. Let the men do their own field hockey. And in a situation where there is combat, men should not be allowed to play in women's sports. Speaker 1 All right. So so let's just talk a little bit about this. And, you know, I

get a lot of emails from right wingers who say, David, will you denounce men in women's sports or are you not? Or sometimes I go men in little girls sports as if there's some 25 year old biological male playing soccer with seven year old girls or something like that. So the reason I don't talk about it much is this is not a critical issue facing the United States. And this is one of the ways that the right tries to save itself from the fact that they've completely abandoned policy of any serious kind and instead want to focus on contrived social and cultural issues that are often framed in

framed dishonestly at the minimum. So let's talk about it here and then we can say we've done it. First of all, there is no widespread crisis of trans women in sports. Just because an issue isn't a big issue doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about it. But the most important thing is these people have so run out of ideas that they are desperately and apoplectically relying on their ability to make people angry about stuff that's not really a major issue. According to the Human Rights Campaign, only zero point six percent of the entire adult population is trans. And then some fraction of that is trans women. Right. Because you've got trans men and trans women. Nobody cares about trans men and men's sports. So we've got 0.6% of the population is trans. Some fraction of that is trans women. Some fraction of that is engaged in sports at all. And then some subsection of that

is engaged in the sports that would be scrutinized more deeply, like maybe professional or elite collegiate sports, maybe elite high school. OK, so we're talking about a slice of a slice of a slice of a slice. Now, what does science say? I just care about what the science says about this. The scientific community acknowledges there are biological differences between those born male and born female and men have physical advantages in a number of different sports that's why sports are often segregated by gender however when it comes to trans women it is far more nuanced than just saying were you male at birth? You're out. And let me explain. Trans women who undergo hormone replacement therapy have a bunch of changes that they experience and their secondary sex

characteristics start to align with those of women. It's not an exact equivalent, But you look at muscle mass changes, strength, endurance. If you undergo as a trans woman hormone replacement therapy over time, you start to approach being much more in terms of these metrics like a biological woman. The NCAA, the International Olympic Committee have policies where they say, OK, trans women, perfect. We get it. Here's the policy. You have to undergo a period of HRT before you are able to be determined eligible to participate. And they have data. They have data that says, what what are things like after a year of HRT? How does the muscle mass compare, et cetera? The HRT does not completely eliminate advantages,

but it does to a great degree. You then have research that shows even then, even after the HRT, a trans women can retain athletic advantages, but those advantages are not uniform across all sports or individuals. So remember, we've got the trans community, trans women, trans women who are engaged in sports, trans women who are engaged in sports at a level where this sort of stuff needs to be scrutinized. And then you have, well, which specific sport are we talking about? So if a sport relies on size and strength, you still probably have something you have to figure out there to make competition what we would call fair in sports that rely more on

skill, agility and endurance. That physiological difference after the year of HRT may be relatively insignificant. I'll give you some examples. Gymnastics. Gymnastics relies heavily on balance, flexibility, agility and technique. Strength is a component more to some gymnastics than to others. But the emphasis is skill and precision. And the biological differences, particularly after a year of HRT, may not really be very significant. Figure skating is sort of a similar analysis to that of of of gymnastics. Distance running is an interesting one.

Physiological factors do play a role. You look at the men's marathon and the women's marathon. Clearly, you have a difference there. But again, after a year of HRT, trans women's muscle mass and hemoglobin go down hemoglobin, which allows sort of like oxygen capacity, we might say colloquially. And you have trans women on one year of HRT who are much more closely aligned with cisgender women than they are with men. That's another area where we would say, well, maybe it doesn't even really matter there. Soccer, there's controversy about there's a lot with soccer. That's about ball control and spatial awareness and teamwork. You still have a physical component. So soccer, they're figuring out archery. Does, you know, trans women, it's still

set gender segregated in many cases. Does it really need to be? I don't know. Equestrian is another example. So the whole point here is the right has made a lot, a lot. They've gotten a lot of mileage out of we've got to get these big burly men. We can't have the rock pushing around my seven year old daughter on the soccer field. Right. That's not happening. That's not happening. And we're talking about a slice of a slice of a slice. Listen, we still deal with things that are slices of slices of slices. But this is not the great issue. They want you to believe that it is.

And also, there is more nuance than they want you to believe. Far bigger issues out there. Those are my thoughts on where the discussion and the science is right now. Always welcome the thoughts of others. And we'll have this clip, including Janine Pirro in all her glory on our Instagram, on our tick tock, and of course, on our YouTube channel. Thank you. have never been known to be the healthiest thing in the kitchen. Our sponsor, Imi, has changed that every pack of Imi ramen noodles has only six grams of net carbs, up to 21 grams of protein. That's three times more than traditional brands. Helps you feel fuller, longer and 18 grams of fiber, which is great for gut health.A. like you're used to with more to offer nutritionally and without all the carbs. Having me around will keep you from going for the junk food. Go to me. Eats dot com slash Pacman five.

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this is not a biased partisan observer, but Michael Cohen's lawyer, uh, Donya Perry appeared, uh, in an interview with Midas touch. This is so damn funny that we have to look at it together. Michael Cohen's lawyer was in the courtroom for Donald Trump's testimony, and she describes it as bananas, bonkers, crazy town and unhinged. Listen to this. Oh, I don't know where to begin. Let's let's like get out of the Soros and go through as many adjectives as possible for bananas, bonkers, crazy town. It really, I've been practicing

law for half my life, which is a long time at this point, both federal and state, civil and criminal. I've never seen anything like this. I think I said in our last time together that- Lawyers don't understand how insane it is. The lawyers and all the participants left the rules of civil procedure of evidence of decorum at the door when they walked into that courtroom. And. It's one thing, you know, everything is objectionable and everything is pure theater, but it got really very personal today and very unhinged. Uh, that is, you could apply that analysis to essentially the entirety of the Trump family's

foray into politics, right? I mean, it's bananas, it's bonkers, it's crazy town. The entire thing is quite frankly, unhinged Donald Trump Trump continuing to give credence to every single accusation made against them by virtue of his behavior. What Trump did in court today was appalling and and mystifying to every legal expert who has weighed in. And hilariously, it's not just Trump, but it's also Trump's lawyer. Here is Perry talking about Alina Habba's performance. And remember, Alina Habba coming out of court after Trump's testimony with all sorts of complaints, just complaints up the wazoo, but not willing to say this stuff in court. Now, there there is an argument being made as to why both Trump and Haba are performing or behaving in this way. I'll get to that in a moment. But here's Donya Perry explaining Alina Haba's presence there as well. Speaking of somebody portraying themselves as poor me, I was shocked at Alina Haba, his lawyer, who gave a somewhat whiny press conference

afterwards saying how the judge yelled at me and was pounding his fist. And, you know, I'm thinking to myself, okay, really? Your client just basically has been yelling at everybody, calling everybody names, and a judge was acting like a judge and trying to control his courtroom. I mean, did you see the judge yelling at her? I mean, I heard her saying that the judge was yelling at her, but I didn't hear him yelling at her. It was interesting. I mean, a lot of this is for the media. A lot of this is for the audience of one Trump himself. And some of it is probably for the appellate record. So a throwaway statement like that, that is blatantly untrue, is really just for the first department, which is the appellate court or ultimately the Court of Appeals.

But yes, she plays, she also plays this victim card quite a bit. And then she, on the other hand, she also attempts to give tutorials in trial advocacy to the other side. So she's trying to tell Kevin Wallace how to ask a proper question, as she did with Michael Cohen. And let me tell you, it was not a masterclass from where I was sitting. So she, you know, she does a lot of that. And she's very, very combative, of course, but also just for someone who, I don't know this for a fact, but from what I could tell, has never tried a case before. You know, she's just amazingly supercilious and arrogant. So, you know, that's just one of the parts of this that I found really shocking as a lawyer who teaches professional responsibility and has taught trial advocacy. So the bottom line is lawyers are shocked not only by what Trump is doing in court, but by what Trump's lawyers are doing in court.

So a couple of different thoughts on this. Number one, imagine if this thing was televised, which some of Trump's criminal trials may be. And imagine if Trump was facing life in prison. What his behavior would be like. Trump can't behave even remotely at a trial where he can't go to prison and it's not on TV and whatever. I believe that the television broadcast of Trump's criminal trials, assuming that there is such a broadcast, is going to be absolutely like nothing this country has ever seen before.

Let me address one other thing. A number of you wrote to me and I've seen some articles to the extent that it has been written about that suggest Trump's behavior in court and Alina Habba's behavior is all meant to upset the judge, Judge Engeron, deliberately so that he does something wrong and that then they can get this entire case thrown out on appeal. The idea is this is a strategy that Trump and his lawyers have come up with. And they said, let's just just don't behave, act irrationally, say crazy things, so on and so forth. The point of it being that it will so enrage the judge that he will go too far in sanctioning or will do something that is inappropriate. And then it'll all come back on appeal to reactions to that that I've read. Number one, the judge doesn't really seem like

he's taking the bait and he seems to be very soberly making every effort to control his, his courtroom and appropriately so. And number two, uh, that Trump is not really able to stick to any kind of long-term strategy. He's too emotional. He's too reactive. He just says crazy things on a whim. And so that it's not very much like something Trump would be able to do, that Trump can't handle such a long term approach. You be the judge of that. But other lawyers are stunned by what they are seeing in court, both done by Trump and done by Trump's lawyer. All right. One more little story here related to Trump's court appearance. And then later on, we'll talk about one other aspect of this. Attorney General Letitia James reportedly was

laughing uncontrollably during Trump's testimony. So we've heard from lawyers. What was your reaction to Trump's testimony? It was crazy. We've heard from lawyers. What was your reaction to Trump's lawyers behavior in court? That was crazy and unhinged and not a master class, as Donia Perry described it. There is reporting that Letitia James broke into laughter during Donald Trump's testimony. This I wish this thing was televised. I wish this thing was televised. New York attorney general. This is from Newsweek. New York Attorney general Letitia James was seen cracking up during former President Trump's testimony, according to reporters in the courtroom. Trump took to the witness stand Monday. We already know about the case, et cetera.

Trump is also facing 91 felony charges. We've heard about Judge Angeron, et cetera. Letitia James was reportedly laughing at a number of different moments. At one moment, Trump called her corrupt and fascist, which made her laugh. Trump claimed that James didn't know what 40 Wall Street is, which is one of Trump's buildings. Letitia James laughed at that as well. I guess part of it is because the building is like right by the courthouse itself. And apparently it's been just laughter after laughter after laughter. My reaction is how could you not be laughing? You've got a babbling fool. If she didn't have what she needed to go after Trump in this case, she wouldn't have done it if she didn't have what she needed to go after Trump in this case, she wouldn't have done

it. If she didn't have what she needed to go after Trump criminally in the criminal trial, she wouldn't have done it. And one of the again, we're for me, this civil trial, it is an important trial. It is an important trial, but it's really a preview and a precursor to give us some framework, some expectations for what the criminal trials are going to be like when Trump is at risk of going to prison for the rest of his life. You know that he is going to be even more easily triggered than he has been during this trial. And Letitia James, to her credit, she really seems to know how to trigger Trump into

going on these rage tangents and potentially incriminate himself further. The stakes in the criminal trial to Trump's ranting and raving and the entire thing. It will have the potential to be far more disastrous. And so so far, Letitia James has shown an uncanny ability to trigger Trump. And Trump has shown a lack of any ability to control himself, to behave in the way one is expected to behave in a court of law. And remember, when people laugh, like remember Trump's U.N. speech, Trump seems to assume people are laughing with him. It's hard to imagine how he would think that in this particular case.

But this everything you are seeing in the civil trial has the potential to blow up a hundredfold once Trump's freedom is quite literally at risk. So Letitia James laughing, lawyers laughing. It's all a big joke. And maybe it is a joke when money is the only thing at stake or your business license. When Trump's freedom becomes what is at stake, I expect Trump to behave in an even more unhinged way. After the break, we are going to look at an interview that Trump's lawyer, Alina Haba, did. I also I'm going to switch gears a little bit and talk about the growing civil war that is brewing or has been brewing within the Republican Party. Marjorie Taylor Greene now is

getting sucked into it. And then I think you're really going to like this. A born again Christian called in to explain to me, how does the world work? How does the world work? This is going to be extremely informative. I can assure you of that. So we'll take a quick break. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube. We are now only 20 south 20 something thousand YouTube subscribers away from two million. I may stream tonight's debate and keep streaming like we've got a shot. As many of you have heard me say before, when I go to a wine shop, I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm Argentinian and I still know almost nothing about wine.

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anyone in his circle so brazenly and comfortably assign themselves the status of the victims. They are the ones that are being oppressed and discriminated against and so on. Here she is on Newsmax. There's so much that I don't think we could finish my block with going through it. This is a woman who taunted the president but likes to act like she's the victim. She comes out only when there's a Trump affiliate child or to her someone who's a C-suite top person. Otherwise, she's not interested in trial. She's never sat at the desk with me. She's never fought it. She's never objected. She's not practicing law.

She's just simply there for PR. Don't she accuses the attorney general of claiming to be an acting like she is the victim. But it is Trump and Habba who have made the story. We are the victims of the judge and an unfair weaponized justice system and the attorney general Letitia James and prosecutors and witnesses who are lying and everybody's just against us and we are the victims. This goes nuclear in the next interview that Alina Haba did. This one with former Trump adviser Larry Kudlow, who now has a show on Fox Business. Here is the that interview. And this is this is really fascinating. Take a look. Joining us now is one of his key attorneys, Alina Haba. Welcome back to the show. We appreciate

very much. I don't get this. He's got an agenda. Everybody's got an agenda in this courtroom and they will not let Donald Trump speak his piece. Now, remember, this is a lie. They always love to say I'm being silenced. They indicted me for my speech. No, it says in the thing, we're not indicting you for your speech. We're indicting you for the things you did. They won't let him speak in a court. You have to be responsive to the questions asked. Trump was making political speeches in response to specific questions. Now, I want to ask you, OK, let me is Donald Trump being rude?

Is he yelling or is he just trying to get his, let's say, two cents in that this judge won't let? Honestly, none of the above. What would happen was they would show him two paragraphs on the screen. They would say, OK, here's two paragraphs on the screen. Mr. President, did you certify to this? And he would say, well, the two paragraphs discuss insurance. They discuss value and they discuss how I can rent certain property, 40 Wall Street,

for instance. Let me explain. First, let me hit the value. First, let me hit the insurance. Let me hit this. Let me hit that. And he would go into explaining to them that this is so obviously unbelievable because Trump, you know, she's acting like Trump is, you know, some interviewing for some elite

cons management consulting job where one of the she's describing this way of speaking that is organized that Trump doesn't have. And it's fascinating because she's talking about what a normal person might do, which is when you're asked, you would say, so there's three things here I want to weigh in on. They are valuation, property and construction. I'm going to do each of them one by one with regard. There are people who organize their speech in that way. Or, for example, if when I come to you and I want to talk to you about the trans athletes thing, I would say I'm going to talk about trans athletes. There's

three different components to this. There is how prevalent an issue is this. What does the science say and how are the political parties dealing with it? Trump doesn't speak that way. We know she's lying because Trump has never once organized his speech in this way. He rambles incoherently, speaking only tangentially about what he's being asked about. Let's continue. Maybe you have a loan document that says that I have to have a net worth of $50 million of basic. Okay. But there's certain provisions there with step downs

and things like that. It's not that simple. If I have to be absolutely honest with you, Larry, I think that they really should have thought about the legal team questioning somebody who is a real estate tycoon, a real estate mogul, is going to go down as one of the greats. Spent his whole life. They don't get it, and they're trying to attack and criticize somebody. You better be an expert. He's trying, see, look,

as somebody who knows him rather well, he's trying to explain what I'm going to call the science of real estate. That's right. The accounting of real estate, the economics of real estate. He's a real scientist, that Trump. Real estate, okay?

And he knows it very well. You might disagree with some of it, but he knows it very well. And this judge, as I understand it, will not let him finish these paragraphs. And I don't know. And the other thing, can I just, I think this showed up,

you were on, your presser was during Sandra and Smith and John Roberts. Has a president ever testified like this in court? No, never. And remember, this is the this is the next line. No president has ever been made to do this. No president has ever behaved in a way such that the justice system would put them in this position to begin with. The story they keep telling is that Trump is almost like an he has no actions that he takes. He's just there. And all of these things come at him. The reason Trump is in these positions are because of the actions that he took. It is unprecedented, but it's unprecedented because we've never had a president behave.

So they won't give him the grace to do that. It's really, they're cutting him off. And I objected and there was a fiery exchange with the judge. Frankly, I can't even say it was with the judge and I. I'm very polite. I'm very professional when I'm in the courtroom. But the judge did not like him finishing or explaining because it wasn't good for their case and he's interfering. He's made his decision. Let's not forget that, Larry.

He made his decision on summary judgment. He found liability already. So now we're wasting taxpayer dollars for months and months and months. $450,000 for an expert the AG paid. Taxpayer dollars, those New York taxpayer dollars. We're wasting all this time and he won't even let the president,

who's the person they're trying to get to, explain why he's certified to certain values. Why? Because the minute he starts to explain it, it ruins their case. He was worth more than his statement of financial condition. And Miss James, her politics are not allowing her now to backtrack. She needs a PR team. I'm telling you, she looks like damn fool. The other really funny thing is she says that this is all Letitia James driving it. But earlier in the interview, she said Letitia James isn't even involved in the actual prosecution.

She just sits in the audience. So is it the judge? Is it Letitia James? Is it other prosecutors who are actually doing the nitty gritty of the prosecution work? The entire interview is like this. We are the victims. No one ever has ever done anything like this before to anybody. But the important thing is she doesn't seem to be making

these arguments in court. And that's one of the aspects of this that we've been wondering about for a long time, which is will they try the same things they do on TV in court? So far, the answer has been not mostly not with some exceptions. Next week, Trump mounts his defense and his lawyers will mount their defense. I am anxiously waiting to see. Do they try some of those defenses that aren't really defenses to what is the subject matter of the case? We will see and we will report on it. We knew that there was a civil war brewing in the Republican Party. We've known it for a while.

And the deposition, the deposing of the speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, thanks to eight Republicans who said we don't want this guy anymore, was another step in that civil war, was another battle in that civil war. Radical and repugnant reactionary Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene is now just overtly going after other Republicans. This is now a Republican civil war, full blown. Here is Marjorie Taylor green is now just overtly going after other Republicans. This is now a Republican civil war full blown. Here is Marjorie Taylor green speaking to CNN. Republican voters across the country are sick and tired of Republicans because they never do anything to hold, uh, hold this government accountable. Republicans go out on the campaign

trail and go on TV and do their five minute hearing videos and post up on social media and say all this garbage about how they're going to fight it and stop it. I feel like many of the American people that think that Republicans in Congress completely fail them. I feel the same way. And I'm a Republican member of Congress. So she says Republicans in elected office are regularly failing their constituents, which is a fascinating thing for her to say because she has done nothing for anyone. She was kicked off of her committees for a period of time. Everything she seems to work on is related either to some vague notion of impeaching Joe Biden at some point in the future for something we don't even really understand or know, or contrived social issues, contrived

non-policy issues that are titillating to Republicans to some degree, but not really helping to improve anybody's lives. She is as much a part of the problem as anybody else. And now the Republican Party finds itself in an incredibly difficult position, which I don't envy them, but I'm enjoying quite a bit. On the one hand, there is the Maga cultural issues, social issues. Marjorie Taylor Greene, you're either with us or against us. If you're not as extreme as us, then you might as well be a Democrat side.

That's one side here. Those are the folks who voted to remove Kevin McCarthy. On the other hand, you have Republicans who are just sort of like, what can I do to not make anybody upset and remain in power? And if it means I have to publicly say I like Trump, I'll do it. If it means I have to publicly say I'm going to go a different direction, I'll do that. I don't really care. And then you have a tiny group of Republicans, many of whom have opted to leave or are leaving or were voted out. People like Mitt Romney, people like Chris Christie, Adam Kinzinger, etc.

Liz Cheney, who are willing to actually say, hey, they're screwing up our party. They're really screwing up our party. This doesn't make sense. This is bad. Trump is bad. We've lost election after election thanks to Trump. There are actually those three groups right now. And if we ask ourselves, OK, well, that's the elected officials.

What about the voters, David? Where are the voters? You need only look at Republican primary polling to understand where the voters are. And the voters are very heavily on the side of we are pro-Trump and we say it. Trump currently controlling 58 percent of the Republican electorate, 58 percent. By the way, Nikki Haley continues to surge. And on the bonus show today, we're going to talk about what I expect to see from her tonight at the debate. Nikki Haley almost into double digits. But Trump is still very much in control when it comes to the voters. So we will see what happens with this civil war. We will see what impact it has on the forthcoming election, on the forthcoming dialogue around the twenty

twenty four elections. But Marjorie Taylor Greene is certainly working to foment it. She thinks it will be good for her and maybe it will be. It doesn't seem like it's been working for the Republican Party. We have a voicemail number. That number is two one nine two. David P. Here's a born again Christian who called in, which I know I know not usually the type of person that calls in, but they have some answers for me. They are going to explain some things to me. Let's listen. Hi, David. My name is Ryan.

I'm a born again, Christian Bible believing I'm a preacher. And I saw your segment that you did about the new speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, the other night mocking him because he's accountable on his Internet activity. And I just because you said that it was bizarre and you found it difficult to understand. I just like to explain it to you. Please. Yeah. Explain why Mike Johnson's 17 year old son is monitoring his porn usage.

That is weird to me. I want to, I'm ready. Explain it to me, please. The God of the Bible is very clear about sexual purity. Oh, God. Jesus said if a man looks at a woman and lusts for her, he's committed adultery with her in his heart. Oh, no.

And so true Christians walk in purity and they take sexual purity seriously. Mike Johnson's a married man. He wants to be faithful to his wife. So he's doing something that a lot of Christian men do all over this country. They make themselves accountable to other men. I don't know why this is such a strange and bizarre concept. Is your own 17-year-old son the person that you should be making yourself accountable to with porn usage?

It's extremely weird, sir. But in a world where morality is basically gone out the window, I could see why you might find it to be strange. But then again, you also mocked the Christian school in Nashville that was shot up and suggested that happened because they didn't pray hard enough. No. In fact, what I did was I mocked the Republican elected officials who talk about prayer as

all we need. No gun safety regulations, expanded background checks, limits on what guns can be purchased or any of it. Just prayers and thought. That's what I mocked. And anyone who knows me knows I'm not mocking the school or the kids who were shot. It's ridiculous. So I guess nothing really is beneath you in the realm of mocking Christians and people that love God. So I just thought I'd clear that up

and try to help you understand. Thank you. I don't think you're really humble enough to take any correction because I do watch your your YouTube clips. Sometimes I'm a conservative Christian, but I do watch you sometimes because you're intelligent, you're intellectual and you do bring forth things that the conservative media would not report. But when you mock Christians like this, it really just makes you look very low class. It is mock worthy. It is mock worthy for a 50 year old man to get a computer program that sends notifications about his porn usage to his kid that deserves to be mocked.

That deserves to be mocked. I'm sorry. It just is what it's it's it's bizarre behavior. And Mike Johnson is a bizarre dude. The more we learn about him, the stranger we learn he is on the bonus show today. Joe Biden has announced another great investment in rebuilding power lines and upgrading the electrical grid. Yet another win for the American people. We are also going to talk about newborn syphilis reaching what the CDC is calling dire levels. And we will discuss, uh, we're going to preview tonight's Republican debate.

There are some very interesting things that I will be paying close attention to, including, uh, what Nikki Haley is going to do given her surge in the polls, what we were expecting from the moderators and more. Join me tonight at 7 p.m. for the debate. But make sure you get the bonus show by signing up at join Pacman dot com. I'll see you then and then tonight and then I'll be back tomorrow with a new show.