The David Pakman Show - 1/20/23: ANOTHER Republican Voter Fraud Arrest, Anti-Vaxxers Cause Measles Outbreaks

Episode Date: January 20, 2023

-- On the Show: -- Measles outbreaks are again on the rise thanks to parents choosing not to vaccinate their kids, a follow-on effect from COVID anti-vaxxerism -- Kim Phuong Taylor, the wife of elected Republican Jeremy Taylor, is arrested for casting 23 fraudulent votes for her husband -- It is revealed that the LIV Gold tournament led to the transfer of funds from Saudi Arabia to Donald Trump in what could be a money laundering and/or influence scam -- Caller wonders if Republicans will make the US default on its national debt -- Caller lives in Ukraine and is getting used to the war -- Caller is skeptical about Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg -- Caller points out that income inequality is higher in blue states -- Caller thinks Democrats need to be more aggressive -- Caller talks about the effect Andrew Tate is having on young men -- Caller talks about Ohio defining natural gas as "green energy" -- Caller discusses a possible connection between social programs and overpopulation -- David reads some messages from the mailbag -- On the Bonus Show: The Friday Bonus Show hosted by Producer Pat Ford 🪒 Henson Shaving: Use code Pakman for FREE blades at https://hensonshaving.com/pakman 🍯 Manukora Honey: Get 5 FREE honey sticks at https://manukora.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Subscribe to Pakman Finance: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanfinance -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

We worried that this would happen and it's happening. anti-vaccine sentiment is now bleeding over into other vaccines and parents are increasingly hesitant to get their kids vaccinated against all sorts of other things, including measles. And one of those and one of the problems with that is we are now starting to see outbreaks exactly as predicted. You might remember back in November, we talked about this story. CNN reported as measles outbreak sickens more than a dozen children in Ohio. Local health officials seek help from the CDC. A growing measles outbreak in Columbus has sickened more than a dozen unvaccinated children and hospitalized nine of them. Look at that ratio. Seventy five percent hospitalization. We often forget how serious measles is, particularly in kids because vaccination is so effective. And this leads to some parents saying whoever heard of

a kid getting measles, it doesn't sound like it's likely and it certainly doesn't sound serious. That's because of vaccines. We have a report now from NBC4 about how vaccine hesitancy that has sort of spilled over from covid vaccines into other vaccines is causing exactly this problem. Take a listen to this. Hey, everybody, U.S. childhood vaccinations have dipped again this year. A new report from the CDC suggests what started as a concern about the COVID-19 vaccine, especially in younger people, is now carrying over into other shots too, including polio, diphtheria, and measles. It's likely one of the reasons cluster outbreaks of diseases such as measles are on the rise. CDC reports show last year it was in the Twin Cities, Minnesota area.

Currently, it's in and around Columbus, Ohio. In the Columbus outbreak, there are over 85 cases and can be counting. That was compared to last week's data. But over 30 of those kids were hospitalized, and most of those cases were in unvaccinated children. Yeah. Dr. Denise Warrick is a pediatrician who told me this new report shows overall those receiving vaccines required by most states is now at about 93 percent. It was at 95 percent just two years ago before the pandemic.

Now that 93 and 95 percent number is actually critically important. The herd immune measles is so contagious that the herd immunity threshold to prevent outbreaks is considered to be 95 percent. That has dropped to 93 percent when it comes to children entering kindergarten with with the required immunizations, 93 percent. When you were below, you know, people think, this is some vague thing. It's just numbers. No, it has real world consequences. When you go below that herd immunity threshold for some diseases, you will start to see outbreaks. And that is exactly what is going on. And this was the fear that the covid anti-vaxxers who first entered anti-vaxxer ism with the covid vaccine would bleed over into more general opposition to child vaccinations because the

general environment starts to become one of vaccine hesitancy. And if you get enough people in a community that are skeptical or opposed to vaccines, it can make others in the community more likely to say, well, if these three families aren't doing it, maybe I shouldn't do it either. If the health care providers, if the public health officials aren't well prepared to deal with the vaccine hesitancy, they are going to be under resourced and not able to keep those vaccine rates up. And I've spoken to a number of pediatricians. I know friends of mine who say I get more people than ever, even in liberal areas, people coming to me and saying, you know, does my child really need all these vaccines? Some of these things don't really seem super serious or they don't seem super common or

likely that my child would get. And the pediatricians have to explain, well, that's because of the success and effectiveness of many of these vaccines. This is a separate conversation from the covid vaccine. And unfortunately, what we expected to see happen is indeed happening, as we see in these reports. What will turn it around? I quite frankly don't know. It's pretty horrifying, to be totally honest. Yet another Republican has been caught committing voter fraud. A Republican's wife has been arrested for casting 23 fraudulent votes for her husband. Remember, voter fraud of this kind is very rare. But when we find it, it's almost always Republicans. Insider reports that Kim Fong Taylor was arrested and accused of multiple countervoter fraud. Prosecutors say that she cast 23 fraudulent votes for her husband in the 2020 election. Her husband, Jeremy Taylor, is an elected Republican. There's an 11 page

indictment. It is wild. It claims that Kim Fong Taylor, quote, visited numerous households within the Vietnamese community in Woodbury County. She collected absentee ballots from people who weren't there, filled them out, cast the ballots herself, quote, causing the casting of votes in the names of residents who had no knowledge of and had not consented to the casting of their ballots. Taylor is also accused of signing voter registration forms on behalf of residents who were not present. That's a crime. In total, it is 26 counts of providing false information, three counts of fraudulent registration and 23 counts of fraudulent voting. Each charge

carries a maximum five year prison sentence. Wow. The goal was to get her husband elected. I want to remind people again and again and again, and I will continue saying this until I don't need to say it anymore. Voter fraud is very rare. It's also a pretty futile strategy that is not likely to win an election and the potential consequences of getting caught make it very much not worth the risk up to five years, potentially for each of those counts. She's not going to get, you know, it's 50 counts total five years. She's not going to get 250 years. I will bet any amount of money on that. But the risk reward is very much out of balance. Voter fraud

is a really ineffective and inefficient way to try to win an election because the number of fraudulent votes is almost always too small to actually impact the outcome. And the risk of getting caught for voter fraud is high. Now, Republicans will say everybody's getting away with voter fraud. All these Democrats are getting away with it. The truth is there is no reason to believe that that's the case. And we've seen the Brennan Center for Justice study the numbers. The penalties for being caught are severe. It is a really bad political strategy. It's relatively easily detected. And it would be better for these people to spend their energy on activating voters, help make the case that voters should vote for a candidate because they think that that candidate

would actually do good things for them. I know it's like a crazy thing to think about, but that would be a much better way to spend your time. And the last element of this is. When people get caught. It's almost always Republicans, even though Republicans claim it's Democrats that do this. Now, one could say, David, Democrats are doing it, but they're getting away with it. Republicans are getting caught, but way more Democrats do it and get away with it. Well, you've got to defend that with some data. Why is it that Democrats are so much smarter and able to get away with it? There is no evidence of that whatsoever. We have yet another potential Trump criminal scandal on our hands. Donald Trump's Saudi Arabia payments are sparking fresh calls for sparking calls for a fresh investigation,

writes Ewan Palmer for Newsweek. Let's take a look at this article. Donald Trump should be investigated over the payments he received to host the Saudi Arabia backed live golf tour at his resorts, according to an organization set up by supporters of the murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The Democracy for the Arab World Now group has called for the DOJ and Congress to look into the, quote, disturbing facts and circumstances surrounding that golf tour and ties to Trump. On January 13th, it was revealed during court proceedings that the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund, that's the sovereign wealth fund headed by the country's

crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, owns 93 percent of live and pays 100 percent of the costs. Don claims this is the first time that the full extent of the sovereign wealth fund's ownership in live golf has been disclosed. Understand that this immediately points to money transfers from the Saudi royal family through that sovereign wealth fund to Trump by virtue of paying to host the live golf tournaments at Trump's golf courses, including Bedminster in 2022. This potentially relates to money laundering. This potentially relates to an influence scam. And of course, all of the answers to what we are looking for are found in Hunter Biden's laptop, right. That must be the answer. No. Listen, in all seriousness, we all suspected this. We all suspected that this golf tournament and Saudi Arabia and this goes

beyond just the United States. This was a mechanism to transfer huge amounts of money. It could be to Trump. It could be to other other world leaders because there are live golf tournaments in various places. And when we talk about Trump and influence peddling, it already is. It's beyond the pale that Trump's Washington, D.C. hotel is not the subject of more scrutiny because during Trump's presidency, that hotel was a nexus of massive money transfers and emoluments that were received by Trump. World leaders looking to ingratiate themselves with Donald Trump saying, hey, well, I'll stay at Trump's hotel and I'll mention that I'm staying at Trump's hotel, that it's a it's a borderline crime that that hasn't been further investigated. But this one was so obvious. This is so obvious. Trump was criticized for hosting a bunch of different

lift golf events at his resorts. But we didn't understand the full scope of what is essentially the royal family owning this entire thing. Saudi royal family controls the sovereign wealth fund. Sovereign wealth fund owns 93 percent of the golf tournament and pays 100 percent of those costs. This is the revelation in practice that millions of dollars from the Saudis have been going not in terms of arms deals. Arms deals are bad enough, but at least they are public or semi-public. This was a subterfuge of sorts. There should be another investigation. And it is exhausting to even keep up with this. The other aspect to the Saudi Trump connection is, of course, Jared Kushner and Jared Kushner's role and connections and relationships with these very same

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hostage enough and Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling extremely low. I would not bet that the US is going to default on its debt. I believe that Republicans are more than willing to damage the country by holding out on the debt ceiling debate. I believe ultimately the same thing that always happens is going to happen. The U.S. will not default on its debt. And even the Freedom Caucus crazies are not going to ultimately make that happen. Interesting. I guess I was just wondering because I was reading something on The New York Times this morning regarding a couple discussions about the last major debt ceiling fight.

Yes. And how the Democrats and the Republicans kind of had two different takeaways as a result. And I just worry when I look at, you know, the Chip Roy's and the Matt Gaetz's, if they even really understand the implications of the brinkmanship of practicing and what would actually occur if the United States was to default. And I think that makes I wonder if that makes the risk so much significantly higher than where we typically would assume it would be. Speaker 1 Well, they don't understand it. But here's the thing. Even if they did, they wouldn't really care. So it's one of those things where you're completely right. They don't actually understand it. But I also don't believe that they would dramatically change their views if all of a sudden you explained it to them. These these people have a completely different moral compass and framework than we do.

And I just don't think they care. Speaker 4 I fully, fully agree. Thank you for taking my call. Big fan, been a big watcher for years and years. First time caller. Obviously, I'm a bit nervous, but hopefully this was a satisfactory call for you and your show today. Speaker 1 More so that more more than satisfactory, Wesley. I appreciate the call. Speaker 4 Like this. Thank you. Speaker 1 All right. There we go. Wesley from Nashville with some very important statements and questions. Let's go next to Dimitro from Ukraine, also a website member. Dimitro, thank you so much for

your support on the website. I very much appreciate that. And if you unmute yourself, I will be able to talk to you. Yeah. Hello. Thank you for having me. Pleasure. I I'm not going to take much time. I just wanted to say that I'm grateful for your position and for support for American people of my country. You're currently in Ukraine. Yeah, I'm from Kyiv. Are you I mean, do you feel safe right now? Yeah, I got used to all this stuff. So, yeah, I think so. And when you say used to what are you dealing with on a daily basis? Oh, well, it's like some air alerts time to time. Yeah, but people are going to work.

People are trying to live their lives, you know, not become insane or something. Speaker 1 You know, one of the things that is incredible, Demetro, is the degree to which humans adapt and unthinkable situations become your everyday reality. And it's simultaneously heartbreaking but also incredibly inspiring that that people adapt. But obviously, we want things to change so that you're not dealing with air raid sirens on the way to work. Yeah, I agree. People adapt. And yeah, I'm grateful to American people. And to be honest,

I watch American politics time to time because, you know, a lot of stuff actually affects us. And I was nervous during this speaker election or elections. So I think everything is going to be OK. I admire your optimism and I really appreciate you calling in today. Thank you. All right. There is Dimitro from Ukraine. Why don't we go? Why don't we go next to David from Philadelphia and see what's going on in Philadelphia?

David from Philadelphia, welcome to the program. What is on your mind today? Oh, no, we might be losing David from Philadelphia, sir. All right, well, no, David from Philadelphia. Let's instead try George from Virginia. George from Virginia. Welcome. George from Virginia, you're on. George from Virginia, you almost certainly have the wrong audio device selected. Oh, there you go. Now you're back. Go. Go. Okay. Sorry about that. So, yeah, thanks for taking my call. I really enjoy your show. I wanted to a lot of fawning over Pete Buttigieg.

Mm-hmm. And I wanted to ask you, do you think there's like a tendency for people and especially the media to kind of focus on like, you know, he does so well in interviews, like he owns Republicans so well. But if you look at his job performance, it's I'm just not seeing it. You're saying that as secretary of transportation, you don't think his performance has been good?

Exactly. Yeah. So here's the thing. There's two different conversations here, George. Right. One conversation is, do we think that in terms of image and performance, he's the type of person who could win an election? And then secondly, is the analysis of how do we evaluate his job performance as secretary of transportation? On the second part,

I don't have an answer in the sense that he's been getting blamed for stuff that really has nothing to do with him, to be totally honest, including, like, for example, the global supply chain issues like that's not Pete Buttigieg's fault. The FAA thing, I don't know from what I've read, it it doesn't really seem like it's his fault. But let's let me put that aside for a second. What I think makes Pete Buttigieg an interesting potential presidential candidate is that he has a number of characteristics that make him an interesting potential presidential candidate is that he has a number of

characteristics that make him a good modern presidential candidate. And what I mean by that is, yes, he is very good in adversarial think on your feet positions, particularly with bad faith right wingers. That actually matters right now when you think about how you become the nominee and eventually the president. Number two, he has enough policy ideas in enough areas. You can talk to Pete Buttigieg about transportation, electric cars, foreign policy, China, education, Latin America, and he's not going to get embarrassed on any issue. And he'll probably have at least an idea to put forward on any one of those issues. That's really important. He won't come off as a buffoon on any issue. He's well spoken. So do you understand the difference between the two analyses that we're doing? Yes. Yeah, I understand that.

So I'm just more than willing to entertain the job performance things you're bringing up. I think they are basically at this point, for better or worse, completely divorced from whether he would be a good candidate. It's sort of like Gavin Newsom. I'm not like a huge fan of Gavin Newsom's politics necessarily, but I do think he has an attitude that is useful for Democrats to have when it comes to Republicans in 2023. So he's the type of guy who might do well in a campaign, even if he's not like the uber progressive or the guy I would say this is who I would love to see as president. Speaker 3 Yeah, I think you make a lot of valid points. But just to end my opinion here, I just wanted to say,

like, I'm a little bit worried because there's so many Americans who have been impacted by the airline situations. Yeah. And if Democrats push this guy center stage, even if he speaks well and all that, people might be like, no, this guy sucks. You know, the airlines were horrible under him. And I feel like it could sabotage the Democrats if they choose a guy like this. That's always possible. I mean, now you're making a prediction and I'm terrible at predictions.

So you may well be right. It may end up being a terrible self-sabotage or not. I just don't know. Well, I really appreciate your opinion and thank you very much. All right. George from Virginia. Appreciate the discussion very, very much. Why don't we go? Why don't we

go next to. Oh, I don't know. It's so tough to say. What about Keon from North Carolina? Keon, am I saying that correctly? Keon from North Carolina, please join the chat, my friend. And absolutely last chance for Keon from North Carolina. Keon is gone. Very, very important stuff. All right. Let's try Neville from California. Neville from California. Welcome to the program. Neville from California, I have invited you to join folks, please, please stay near your devices. Neville, welcome. Neville from California, you've got to fix your audio if you want to talk to me, my friend. Last chance, Neville, you there? Neville is gone. All right. Let's go to Tom from Jersey.

Listen, if there's ever been a time to go to New Jersey for, for saving us, I think it's right now. Tom from Jersey, what's going on? Hey, David, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Thank goodness. Yeah. I was getting worried. I was like, is this like a, that might be the next one. But, um, just, you know, I live in Jersey. It's great. It's a blue state. I'm really happy with how our state government functions.

But there is one issue I have that I've also noticed is an issue with a lot of other blue states. In fact, I think someone from the New York Times is saying about this. Okay. New Jersey, for being the most diverse state in the country, is also school-wise one of the most segregated. And in Connecticut, which is also a liberal state, I believe it's the state with the largest income disparity because you have wealthy people who live in Stanford right next to low-income people who live in Newport – I mean Bridgeport and New Haven. Correct. And in Washington, they have really, really favorable corporate tax rates for like Amazon. And in California, they talk about the housing.

But whenever they try to build multif inequality or helping or not super invested in trying to attack systems or reform systems that cause this type of inequality. Not saying the answer is an interesting one. This has been studied. So if I understand correctly, Tom, the main question you're asking is it's liberals and blue states that talk about fixing income inequality. Yet it's many of those very blue states that have the most income inequality. Right.

I mean, is that more or less what you're saying? Yeah, basically. Yeah. So two things on that. Number one, the examples you're giving are absolutely accurate when it comes to particularly Connecticut. However, if you zoom out and look at the country in total, it's only slightly worse of an issue overall in blue versus red states, the inequality issue.

It is an issue. So you're right in your analysis, but it's only to a relatively small degree. So on average, blue states are a little more unequal than red states, but not by a huge margin. But it's sort of a result of the fact that blue states are economically more successful. And it's basically a result of the fact that on average, blue states have higher incomes, average incomes. And that is pulled up by blue states having more wealthy people. And that increases the level of inequality by virtue of having those additional wealthy people. So it's a result both of the successes of those very policies and the fact that that is what increases the very inequality that these states want to fix.

OK, I always knew. Yeah, I never. That is what increases the very inequality that these states want to fix. OK, I always knew. Yeah, I never I always knew that we were better at it than the red states, but I always thought to myself, just because we're better than them doesn't mean we shouldn't look into it. Absolutely. And there's if you Google liberal states and income inequality, you'll find a ton of good resources on this has been widely studied. Yeah, you know, but, you know, I'd never want to live in a red state. I'd stay in Jersey or New York my whole life. All right. Well, that's you're right, my friend. All right. Have a great day. OK, thank you. There's Tom from Jersey. Tom is not leaving. Jersey is the message we are getting or he'll go to New York,

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We do take these calls for the Friday show. We do it via discord at David Pakman dot com slash discord. And you can join what is called the waiting lobby. Let's go to Alex from Vienna. Now, Alex, is that Vienna, Austria, or is it like, you know, Vienna, Idaho or so? I don't know that Idaho really has a Vienna, but. David, thanks for taking my call. No, it's Austria and Vienna, Austria. Have you called it before? No, it's my first time. Oh, your first time. Well, welcome. Yeah. So therefore, I'm a little bit nervous. You're doing great so far. You've stated your name and where you're calling from beautifully.

And that's an auspicious beginning. Perfect. Thank you so far. You've stated your name and where you're calling from beautifully, and that's an auspicious beginning. Speaker 1 think it was in the United States that was it given you some said something like that, that the leftists have to be more pop populists. I don't remember Newsom saying more populist. What I remember Newsom saying is Democrats and the left need to be more ruthless. We need to be unabashed. We need to, you know, to to that was the gist of his comments, as I recall them. Okay. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. In Austria, we had a similar discussion. I mean, it was six, six or seven years ago by Peter Pils. He was from the Green Party. And he tried this approach. And he was a overall

a really good person who tried to Yeah, as you can hear, nervous, sorry. You're doing great. Yeah. So but so is your is your question about whether this is a good strategy? Yes. And how to improve. Listen, we it's in the United States. Democrats aren't really doing this yet. They're not being ruthless, to use Gavin Newsom's word. So I don't know if it's a good strategy. What I can tell you, Alex, is the status quo is not working very well. And even though the left is right on so many issues, we're losing the discussion on a lot of those issues when really we should be winning because we actually are on the right side of the issue. So it's very plausible that changing how we talk about these issues is a

great starting point. And I like the idea of Gavin Newsom. Now, will it work? It's that's a predictive statement. We have to try it and see. But listen, what do we have to lose at this point? You know? Yeah, for sure, because the parties on the right, you know, they're sealing the topics and manipulating them, something like that. 100%. I mean, we can do that as well in a positive sense, I would say. Yes. And not just being in the defense all the time.

That's the impression I've got in my own country. Yeah. I am with you. And I hope to visit Austria soon. I was supposed to right before the start of the pandemic. And then we all know what happened. And I would like to get back. I want to go to Vienna. I'd like to go to Salzburg. I want to be all over the country. Great. OK, yeah, I might be again in the States this year. Oh, well, then I'll miss you. I guess that's too bad. All right. Alex from Vienna, thank you for the call. Thank you. All right. Very, very good. Did an excellent job. Excellent job. Let's go to is it pronounced Jaquavius Jaquavius?

Am I pronouncing that correctly? Jaquavius, are you with us? Jacoavious, you're on, but you have to select the correct audio device. Last chance for Jacoavious to fix your audio. Are you there, Jacoavious? No, Jaquavius is gone. That's too bad. Sad. Quite, quite sad. In fact, why don't we go to Nico from Illinois? Nico from Illinois.

Welcome to the program. What is on your mind today? Nico. Nico, we heard you. I don't know why you muted yourself. All right, there we go. Hey, David, this is my first time calling in. And I kind of just had a question about social media and influencers and how they subliminally push kind of right wing ideas and how they kind of get these kids that follow them to believe into these right-wing ideas and how you would kind of educate them. What's an example?

Just with like Andrew Tate and all that stuff that's going on with him. I feel like there's a lot of influencers out there that kind of like support him and try to make him seem like he's this really cool guy. Speaker 1 See, here's the thing about that. Here's my thought, Nico, and this is an ongoing conversation that we can have, and I just I'm not sure. It seems that these types of people appeal to exactly the same folks. And what I mean by that is, you know, I did this segment a few weeks ago about Liver King and Andrew Taint and Jordan Peterson. And I didn't mean to say that they are the same in their ideologies. In fact, they are quite different. But the point was they end up pulling in basically young men, often with less going on socially than they would like, often less relational,

you know, less involved in relationships than they would like, often without a defined or successful career path yet. And so they end up being different flavors of characters that pull in the same types of people. And I'll give you an example. I don't know anybody and I'm sure they exist anecdotally, but I don't know anyone who works in, you know, has a good job as a lawyer or as an accountant or or, you know, even a success, whatever, and is sitting there watching Andrew Taint videos. You know what I mean? It just it seems like it's it's mostly young men that get sucked in. So while I agree with you that it's a bad thing that these figures pull people into this sort of like pseudo right

wing, pull yourself up by your bootstraps type ideology, it's really only afflicting a particular demographic group overwhelmingly. Speaker 1 Speaker 3 Right. And I was just just I was just wondering this because I had seen a report that supposedly in the UK, they're kind of like reteaching these young kids to try to get them away from these like Andrew Tate effect and all that stuff. So I just didn't know if that was like a good way to go at it or if it was just kind of like a waste of time, because at the end of the day, these kids are going to go home and just watch what they want to watch. You know, that's true. And, you know, I know a high school principal. I was

recently it's actually a middle and high school principal. And she was telling me that she's aware of seventh and eighth graders who watch Andrew Tate. And that's really the risk, because these these kids haven't even really defined anything about themselves yet. And that's where it's like, that seems like a particularly pernicious age at which to be consuming that type of nonsense. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And like, it's not like they kind of let you form your own opinion, you know, they kind of just force this stuff on you. And yeah, I don't know. It's just not something that I would want my kid to be exposed to. You know, I agree. I agree.

Well, I appreciate the call. Yeah. Thank you for taking my call, sir. All right. Take care. There is Nico from Illinois. Very important declarations, I think. Let's go to Jonathan from Ohio.

Jonathan from Ohio. Welcome to the program. What can I do for you today? What's on your mind? Oh, boy. Jonathan from Ohio, please select the correct audio device so that we can hear you. And last chance for Jonathan from Ohio. Can you hear me now? I can hear you, sir. Hello, sir. How are you? Thank you for taking my call. My pleasure. This is more 2 Can you hear me now? I can hear you, sir. Speaker 1 Hello, sir. Speaker 2 How are you? Speaker 1 Thank you for taking my call. Speaker 2 My pleasure.

Speaker 2 This is more. Can you hear me? Speaker 2 I can hear you. Speaker 2 OK. This is more something that happened in Ohio that I would like to make people aware of. OK. Speaker 2 So apparently they defined natural gas as a clean energy source now. Oh, really? So in Ohio, it's defined as clean energy, similar to other types of renewable energy.

And I just wanted to make people aware of that. Yeah, this just happened. So for people who don't know, new law signed into signed in by Governor Mike DeWine designates natural gas as green energy. That is absolutely insane. And I guess the point of it, you tell me, Jonathan, you might know more about it. It paves the way to fast track drilling of oil and gas in state parks. That's correct. I actually work in. Yeah, I work in the natural gas industry and there is a lot of fields like in the eastern part of the state that they're trying to get to. So it does. It's really bad for like climate change, obviously. And they're trying to set a standard for other states to do this kind of thing. And I just think people should be aware of this and not let it go down the

slippery slope. Yeah. Like burning natural gas is not green. That I hope people understand that. Now, Jonathan, you work in an industry that you think is bad for the environment, it sounds like. Yes, I mean, like it's like the safety side of it to make sure people, you know, they don't leak or, you know, events don't occur.

So I'm on that side of it. But my hope is that the industry migrates to renewables. My company at least is trying to do that. But I just thought it was good information to be aware of. A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, when you when we think about renewable and green, it is certainly not natural gas. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention, Jonathan. Yeah, for sure. All right. Jonathan from Ohio delivering some unfortunately depressing news. Let's go to Thomas from the Bronx. Thomas, welcome to the program. Hey, David, how are you? I'm doing well. All right. Great. Let me just mute my background work training. I'm supposed to be listening to.

I love it. So quick question for you, and it's probably going to start as a question and really more turn into a request for you to interview some subject matter experts in this area. So person considered myself on the left. I would love to have a magic wand

and make Bernie Sanders 30 years younger and have passed all policies and nationalized ph policies and nationalize pharma and energy, et cetera, et cetera, right? Yeah. But a lot of the problems the world in general, not just the US has, is really the ever-growing population expansion over the past decades and centuries and finding enough resources and jobs, et cetera, to support the ever-growing population.

So my question is, if we wave the magic wand and everything was nationalized and everything was provided, UBI, et cetera, would that tend to lead towards an explosion and expansion of longer life expectancies with healthcare, higher birth rates of people not having to, for example, have abortions because they can't afford it? And would there be, you know, playing devil's advocate here, would there be a negative to having kind of all needs met and a super healthy population in regards to expansion of that population? So I believe that Arthur C. Clark explores this in the novel Childhood's End. Let me see if I can. Yes. Arthur C. Clark explores this idea in the 1953 novel Childhood's End, which was turned into a miniseries. Maybe it was like Netflix or Amazon. I don't remember. So it's widely explored in

science fiction. The belief generally seems to be that if those needs were met, the birth rate would naturally decline. Actually, people would wait longer and choose to have fewer kids and that over time it would actually take care of itself. Now, here's the other issue related to this, Thomas, which is birth rates are already going down, down, down to the point where it's believed that Earth's population is actually going to start declining after peaking. It's I forget the exact dates, but it's going to keep increasing. I'm kind of worried about that now. China's expected to see a population decline from, I think, one point four to one point three by 2050.

Yes. So, no, I don't think so. I think I think people would live better, longer lives and would have fewer kids and it would all fall into a new equilibrium. OK, then that would be right. And you said Arthur C. Clarke. He said that was science fiction. Arthur C. Clarke.

Childhood's End. Arthur C. Clarke. Excellent said that was science fiction. Arthur C. Clarke. Childhood's End. Arthur C. Clarke. Excellent novel. I recommend it to you, Thomas. Excellent. I'd love to see if you could interviews with, you know, nonfiction experts that kind of talk about this and see what they think, because certainly I agree about the birth rate thing. But of course, with advancing technology and energy consumption, you know, the population as a whole is not going to turn vegan overnight. So the factory farming would still be an issue. So anyway, thanks for your

thoughts. All right. Thomas from the Bronx raising a very important issue to cap off calls for today. I will take more calls again if I have anything to say about it. And I hope to hear from you next time. We'll take a quick break and be back right after this. the David Pakman show at David Pakman dot com. Let's get into the Friday mailbag, the now world famous Friday mailbag. Technically, we got one email from Zanzibar and now it's world famous. OK, let's get right into it. Remember, you can email info at David Pakman dot com. You can also contact us via a number of other means, including Facebook, Twitter. Sometimes YouTube comments will be featured. You never know what you're going to have. But today

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effective at preventing infection and transmission to the point where my understanding of the latest data is that the newest vaccines don't prevent infection nor transmission, but they are still effective at dramatically reducing the odds that you end up in the hospital or dead. I've never hidden that from the audience. I've been very clear. So I don't know. Email someone who's actually doing the things that you say I'm doing. I'm getting quite bored with it. Here's someone who writes in like five to 10 times a week. They go by CAD. CAD wrote in and said, by the way, right away going into their degrees, reeks of either dishonesty or some some kind of low self-esteem. OK, CAD writes in. Yes, I am highly educated with multiple degrees and probably

smarter than some of your audience members. I love how you mock people and how they talk because it's so hypocritical. You are the one who made me do a deep dive and become Republican. Thank you for that. I contribute to society with my job, helping others. I don't read articles and then throw B.S. out for an hour and a half with no pitch, a pushback. You're not as smart as you think. Anyway, do you ever watch yourself on your show? You've got to be so smug because your large teeth and mouth mouth movements are so gross. Side profile profile. Wow. That's the vomit emoji. Wow. Who the hell would ever go out with someone so pompous as yourself? They'd have to constantly stress from being corrected.

You're so feminine and your pronunciation is hysterical. It's cringe. Many think you progressives are out of your mind and ruining what was good about this country. Go watch yourself. You are one ugly dude. So before you get on a platform and mock others, look in the mirror. What work of yours should be valued besides mocking people? I guess that's a statement, not a question. You know, I used to get upset about messages like this because someone is there. They're criticizing so many things about me. And then one of the kind of awakenings I had was I thought to myself, you know,

I watch lots of different things. I've never written to anyone that is the host of any show I watch ever. And if I did, I would be embarrassed to send messages like this because they're so bizarre and out there. And so then I imagined what kind of person would even send a message like this? What must their life be like where they have either the time or the idea or the interest of saying, I'm going to go over to my computer or pull out, pull out my phone and write something like this to someone I don't even know. And then I realized how sad the lives of the trolls must be. And then I stopped worrying about them. I actually kind of just feel bad now. And I've spoken to some other people about it and they who do what I do, and they've sort of come to

a similar position. And it really is sad. It really is sad what must be going on in someone's life to think to write something like that to someone else. Anyway, let's get into some of the more substantive stuff. Andrew from Oregon wrote in with an interesting message. He said one effective question to ask anti-vaxxers. Hey, David, longtime watcher. Love your work. As COVID has seen a recent uptick and it doesn't seem like it's going away anytime soon. The debate over preventative measures continues to rage.

I've found a really effective way to stump anti-vaxxers is to ask them what group of experts informs your covid views. They may point to cherry pick data devoid of context or individuals who share their view, but never a collection of experts. There isn't a university, a hospital or scientific body of any sort they rely on. Every time it seems to promote, promote, provoke a moment of self-reflection on the veracity of the source of their information. And I find it's a great foundation to build from. Yeah, this is an interesting idea because often the science deniers will say, ignore everything all doctors say, except this one

radiologist who's commenting about vaccines, despite it being completely outside his or her area of expertise. And the question is an interesting one, because when you say what group of experts they often will say, well, you really can't trust immunologists. Now you have to trust this one person. All the other immunologists are wrong or you can't really trust pulmonologists because they mostly are lying about covid. But this one pulmonologist has has gotten outside of the bubble. It is a good question. And I think only with some people, only with with people who are most open to having their views examined, would it would it have an impact? But it is an

interesting idea because it's not about expertise. It's about finding people that already agree with them and then saying, here's who I'm going to listen to. And I've met people personally during the pandemic who early in the pandemic said, these are the these are the three people that you can really trust during the pandemic. Those three people's views have changed as informed by data and science. And then the people who used to go to them say they can't they are not they're no longer trustworthy. Here's the other people I now trust. Well, it's not that the people are less trustworthy. It's that you you no longer agree with the things that they're saying. And it is it is something I see quite often. P.K. wrote in sort of a tongue in cheek

response to that guy who called in recently and attacked me for being not that tall. And PK wrote in about David's height and weight says, Dear David, I am five eight and weigh one sixty five. That obviously gives me a 15 pound intellectual advantage over you. I'm sorry, sir, but that's just the science. Thank you for your time. Yes. And obviously, this individual outweighs me by 15 pounds, but it's 15 pounds of brain matter. Certainly, I have to make a correction. And I'm glad Catherine from the UK is helping me do that. I wrongly stated the other day in passing and as a complete joke that the coleslaw at KFC is vegan. Catherine wrote in and said, hey, David, watching the video about Bolsonaro in Florida and was keen when you mentioned the coleslaw from KFC

being vegan. I'm in the UK where the slaw is not vegan. So I had a look. It's not vegan in the US either. Unfortunately, it's vegan in Canada. I understand, though, perhaps there is hope for the rest of the world. OK. Yeah, I don't know. I don't really know anything about KFC coleslaw. I remembered that producer Pat once told me the KFC coleslaw was vegan. Pat has no recollection of that. So I don't really know where I got it, but I don't go to KFC and I'm also not vegan. So it ended up being sort of a sort of a moot point, I guess we would say. Oliver wrote in about the phenomenon of they. Oliver says, hey, David, have you noticed that many, especially on the right, are increasingly using the term they to define political opposition? For example, they want to silence us. They want to sexualize children.

They are the elite. Is this just a symptom of seemingly populist rhetoric with those on the other side thrown into the one basket, i.e. the elite with no room for substance? Or does it boil down to something else entirely? That's all from Scotland. I don't think they know what they mean. You know, I've had conversations where they'll they I'm doing it, too. It is an interesting shorthand right wingers who call me. Let me be precise. Sometimes some right wingers who call me will say they are not allowing us to investigate the origins of covid. And I'll say, who is they? Is it Democrats? And they'll go, well, no, it's not really Democrats. No. Is it the media? Is the

media preventing anybody from? No, it's not really the media. Is it? I don't know. Like, is it Marxists? Because that's an often used trope. No, it's not. And then you see they don't even know who they is. So as a rhetorical technique, I do think it can sometimes be useful to say to those with whom you are speaking, who is they exactly? It's not Biden. It's not Hunter. It's not Fauci. It's not, you know, Anderson Cooper. Who is it exactly? And some of them are slicker and they will be more prepared. And they'll say something like, I say they because it's the establishment. It's no one person, but it's the total atmosphere created by the. Oh, OK.

All right. But it's a good question. Who do you what do you mean by they? I think it is a it's a useful technique. Email in info at David Pakman dot com and please come on over to the bonus show. You can sign up at join Pakman dot com. And please come on over to the bonus show. You can sign up at join Pakman dot com. You can get instant access and it's an extra show every single day for our website members. You can use the coupon code 24 starts now at join Pakman dot com.