The David Pakman Show - 12/11/23: Fox panics over jobs numbers as Trump backs out of testifying

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

-- On the Show: -- Casey DeSantis, the wife of Ron DeSantis, tells non-Iowans to vote in the Iowa caucus, which is illegal, and then backtracks -- Fox Host Maria Bartiromo panics over yet another strong jobs report and tries to find guests who will find negatives in the news -- Failed former President Donald Trump backs out of testifying in his civil fraud trial just days after his lawyer, Alina Habba, says he will testify -- CNN anchor Jake Tapper mocks Republican Congressman James Comer to his face for his latest absurd Hunter Biden conspiracy -- One in five young Americans thinks that the Holocaust is a myth based on a new study -- Megyn Kelly admits that Donald Trump is experiencing cognitive decline -- A tux-wearing Donald Trump tells New York's Young Republicans a "sir" story and generally makes a fool of himself -- Failed former President Donald Trump explodes in a midnight rant on Truth Social about his cognitive gaffes being deliberate -- Alex Jones is unbanned on Twitter/X and is immediately rehabilitated by Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson -- 2024 Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is caught urinating live during a Twitter Spaces event with Elon Musk and Alex Jones, among others -- Voicemail caller attacks all the trolls who don't want David to talk during his own live streams -- On the Bonus Show: University of Pennsylvania President resigns after antisemitism hearing, 7 in 10 adults consider themselves spiritual, does the Biden campaign need a change on cannabis, much more... 🔊 Babbel: Get 55% off your subscription at https://babbel.com/pakman 🖥️ UPLIFT Desk: Get 5% OFF with code PAKMAN5 at https://upliftdesk.com/pakman 👍 Manscaped: Use code PAKMAN for 20% off & free shipping at https://manscaped.com 🥂 ZBiotics: Use code PAKMAN for 15% OFF at https://sponsr.is/zbiotics_pakman 🧻 Reel Paper: Code PAKMAN for 30% OFF + free shipping at https://reelpaper.com/pakman 🖼️ Aura Frames: Use code PAKMAN for $30 off at https://auraframes.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

. One of the busiest weekends in news and politics that I can remember. We start with the failing Ron DeSantis campaign like a wounded bird falling from the sky. Not a bad quote from the failed former President Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis recruiting his wife, Casey DeSantis, in advance of the forthcoming Iowa caucuses. And unfortunately, Casey DeSantis suggesting to people that they do something illegal. The people of law and order, the people who will

protect you from voter fraud are suggesting that very same voter fraud. Here is Casey DeSantis telling people around the country, go to Iowa, participate in the caucuses because you know what? Anybody can participate in the caucus, even if you're not from Iowa. This happens not to be true. Here is Casey DeSanctimonious suggesting something against the law. We have a huge coalition across the United States of America of mothers and grandmoms. When the governor was reelected, we had a coalition of 1.1 million mothers and grandmoms in the state of Florida. That was the largest that had ever been done in the history of our state

and probably, I would argue, across the nation. We're asking all of these moms and grandmoms to come from wherever it might be, North Carolina, South Carolina, and to descend upon the state of Iowa to be a part of the caucus because you do not have to be a resident of Iowa to be able to participate in the caucus. So moms and grandmoms are going to be able to come and be a part and to let their voice be heard in support of Rhonda Santos. Speaker 1 Is that great? If you are pro sanctus from Florida, you can just go to Iowa and participate in the caucuses. It just so happens this is untrue. It just so happens this would be

illegal. Non Iowa residents are not allowed to participate in the Iowa Republican presidential caucus. Those caucuses, like a state primary, like other caucuses or cock eye in the United States, are restricted to residents of the state who are eligible to vote to participate in the Iowa Republican caucus. You must be a registered Republican and resident of Iowa of legal voting age. This is standard across U.S. states to make sure that you have eligible local residents having a say in terms of who is representing their state. Now, very quickly, when Casey and Ron were told, hey, folks, this is illegal, they tried to back up and they tried to backpedal. And Casey DeSantis putting out an excretion on X where she said, quote, We've built a nationwide coalition of moms mobilized to help elect Ron DeSantis, mamas for DeSantis

while voting in the Iowa caucus is limited to registered voters in Iowa. There is a way for others to participate. I'm calling on mamas and grandmamas from all over the country to come volunteer in support of DeSantis and the Iowa caucus. Go and get registered to participate. So once she was told, ma'am, you're suggesting crimes, then she said, what I meant was just you can participate in the Iowa caucuses by registering to volunteer, I guess, which is, of course, not what she meant was just you can participate in the Iowa caucuses by registering to volunteer, I guess, which is, of course, not what she meant. This is like when Trump says, I'm having cognitive glitches on purpose and we look at the video

and we go, that's absolutely not what happened. Not even not even a possibility that that's what happened. It's the exact same thing. The folks who are for law and order and who say it's Democrats who are going to commit all sorts of fraud are suggesting illegal activities with regard to the Iowa caucus. But you know what? It's not going to come to it because Ron DeSantis is failing and he's failing in Iowa. I don't even know that DeSantis will end up third in Iowa. If he's lucky, he'll end up third in Iowa.

More phenomenal jobs numbers for the president, Joe Biden, to whatever degree you believe a president is responsible for unemployment numbers, job creation, et cetera. And I believe that the answer is a president is somewhat responsible for those things in a context of broader global economic and national conditions. To whatever degree you believe Joe Biden is responsible, the jobs numbers are really good. The jobs numbers, in fact, are starting to get more people to say we may have unemployment that is too low. Here is Maria Bartiromo having to contend with another strong jobs report and she admits it's strong.

But then she brings on the experts to try to explain maybe unemployment's too low. Maybe there are too many jobs being created. You got to look at this report as a big positive. We've got more jobs created than expected. Joe LaVoyne, you've been saying this for a long time, saying that the economy is a lot stronger than anybody understands your reaction. It takes a while. Everything Steve said makes complete sense.

The numbers are good numbers. No question. The fact that the unemployment rate fell is good. It was because household employment was up over 700000. All right. So it all sounds pretty good, right? Well, let's bring on an entire panel and see if someone can poke holes in this. Maybe the jobs report is too strong.

Maybe one hundred and ninety nine thousand jobs created in November is too many jobs. Let's see how they can put that together. And that we're seeing right now has everything to do with the Federal Reserve. So we got hotter than expected numbers. Cheryl just gave us the numbers. One hundred and ninety nine thousand jobs versus an estimate of one hundred and eighty thousand. And the market sells off. Why? Because it's such a strong report that it may alter the Fed's view of cutting interest rates next year.

There you go. The jobs report may be so strong that the Fed will say, hey, you know what? Instead of cutting interest rates in in twenty twenty four, we need to either keep them level or even increase them because the economy is too hot and therefore the stock market is going to be down. Well, but one hundred and ninety nine thousand people who weren't working now are right, Maria, or perhaps continuing to raise interest rates. We're expecting a pause at next week's meeting. But what happens then? Join me right now to react is Job Creators Network president and CEO, the author of The Real Race Revolutionaries, Alfredo Ortiz is here. S.B.S. NBC Niko, chief economist and former White House national. All right. So you get the

point. Eventually they go they go into the panel and the argument is the jobs report may be too hot. It may convince the Federal Reserve not to cut interest rates and thus it's going to keep pushing inflation up. Of course, the reality is even as interest as we've seen interest rates go up, the whole point of interest rates going up is to try to tamp down on inflation, which has happened, which was zero in October and three point two percent year over year. So you all know the routine. We're not going to get a serious economic discussion on Fox News. And the serious economic discussion is by the standards we've used for 50 or 60 years. We have a really great economy by the standards that social Democrats like me would like to put in place so that our economy could be a little more

like some of those northern European economies, less inequality, better safety net, not having outrageous military and defense spending. Right. By that standard, we're still falling really short. Inequality is high. Wages are up, but not as much as we would like. We still have people 40 percent that can't afford an unexpected thousand dollar expense. That's the real conversation. But by the the metrics we have all said, these are the six or seven metrics we use to evaluate an economy. Things are good. And eventually it starts to become difficult even for Fox to downplay what are just the numbers, at least on these daytime shows. And we can look at other numbers.

I know people will say, but David, what about this other number? Inflation is down. The stock market's having a really good year. We'll see how December shakes out. Wages are up. A job creation is high. Unemployment is low. Consumer confidence is OK. Again, we've talked about how not not everybody is is seeing what the economy is doing. Extraordinarily dynamic economies in many states, overwhelmingly blue states, I admit, but very dynamic economies in blue states that are growing and innovation by virtue of patents. And it all looks very solid. It doesn't mean that Joe Biden is God's gift to progressive economics, but he's done some good things that have helped. They certainly haven't hurt. And Republicans are now going to have to figure out if the numbers stay like this for the next 11 months, how do we defeat Joe Biden? And this is not about Biden.

This is not about Biden's demented. He doesn't know what day it is or he does or he's completely embroiled in some kind of criminal fraud bribery that he's or not. This is none of that. This is if you zoom out and you look historically when the economy was doing as well as it is doing now by the numbers, incumbent presidents tend to get reelected. That's a historical reality abstracted from any specific concerns about Joe Biden. Republicans are going to have to contend with that. I don't know how they do, I guess, by lying and saying the economy is terrible. Donald Trump is backing out, chickening out of testifying and in his own defense, in his New York civil fraud trial. He's doing it at the last minute and he's doing it just days

after his lawyer, Alina Haba, said, oh, he's going to be there. He's going to be there. Now, you may remember or you may not remember that Donald Trump already testified there, but he testified there because the prosecution called him as a witness. Now he has been saying and his lawyer has been saying Trump is going to go back on the stand in his own defense, but it is not going to happen. NBC News reporting Donald Trump says he won't testify in his own defense in New York fraud trial. The former president was originally scheduled to take the stand as the months long two hundred and fifty million dollars civil fraud trial against him and his company enters its final week.

Trump isn't going to do it, saying on Truth Central, I have already testified to everything and have nothing more to say other than this is a complete and total election interference Biden campaign witch hunt. I will not be testifying Monday. He said it in an all caps, two part post on Truth Social. Here is Alina Haba defiantly indicating just days ago Trump will testify. He is so firmly against what is happening in this court and so firmly for the old America that we know, not this America, that he will take that stand on Monday. He will open himself up to whatever they want because he's not afraid. People that are afraid cower. President Trump doesn't cower. Well, it seems like he's cowering and he is

chickening out. And this is the theme. This is doesn't cower. Well, it seems like he's cowering and he is chickening out. And this is the theme. This is the trend for Trump. Trump once said he would testify in that Trump University trial. He didn't do it. Trump said he would testify in the E. Jean Carroll trial. He didn't do it. Trump said he was going to testify here.

He's not going to do it. And I have to tell you, it doesn't make any sense for Trump to testify. Trump's unhinged. Trump can't control himself when it comes to lying. If you put Trump up there in his own defense, you risk self-incrimination. Remember, he's already testified for the prosecution. His lawyers should rightly be thinking even if he testifies more or less truthfully, if there is a conflict between that testimony

and this testimony, that's not good for us. Trump would then be cross examined by the prosecution if he testifies in his own defense. That's risky because there may then be inconsistencies just between Trump's two defense testimonies, never mind when he testified several weeks ago. There is no reason that as an attorney, you would want Trump to testify here, given that the facts are so strongly against him and that he cannot control himself when it comes to lying and thinking he's just so smart and convincing everybody in the room will be taken with him. It's the right decision for him not to testify. But the point is, he and his lawyers have been playing the big boy for weeks, if not

months now, saying, I'm going to get up there and I'm going to tell the truth and I'm going to blow all these cases out of the water when I do that. Trump's unpredictable. He's dishonest. He's volatile. The last thing you would want as a lawyer is Trump. If Trump getting on the stand and exactly that will not happen. We will soon see the

conclusion of this trial. We will know what the penalty is going to be for Trump. Will he be able to run a business in New York? Is he going to have to get rid of these real estate assets? This could really be the nail in the coffin of Trump's business life in New York. His criminal situation is going to be dealt with in 2024. Let's take a quick break. We are on the path to three million YouTube subscribers. Isn't that insane? Make sure you're subscribed at YouTube dot com slash the David Pakman show. We'll take a break and be right back. If you sit all day long while you work and you've never tried a desk that can transition between sitting and standing, it really is a game changer. I've had an uplift desk for a while.

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we are really we're worried he's going to come after the bonus show, the bonus show, where you want to make money. Everybody else that makes money to fund themselves is bad. We'll talk more about Alex Jones on Twitter later, but let's get right into an insane bit of video from James Comer. CNN anchor Jake Tapper was visibly stunned when James Comer brought up a new argument in the Hunter Biden crime conspiracy theory. Jake Tapper said to James Comer and in general, it has been brought to these Republicans who are saying, oh, they're protecting Hunter Biden. You can counter the claim that Hunter Biden is being protected in all of his alleged criminality by saying, well, he's clearly not being protected

because he's been indicted. And then more charges have been added. The new claim from James Comer, who's investigating Hunter Biden and others, is he was indicted to protect him. Wait a second. How does that work? And the argument is there are way more serious things for which Hunter Biden should be indicted in order to protect him from the more serious indictments. Hunter Biden should be indicted in order to protect him from the more serious indictments. Hunter Biden has been indicted by the DOJ for less serious crimes. Jake Tapper visibly stunned. Listen to this. A penny of taxes on it. So what he got charged with with that indictment last night, that had nothing to do with all of these so-called loans that the Bidens have taken.

We've identified, it appears, with the president's son and brother, over $14 million in loans, where it doesn't look like they've ever made any payments on, principal or interest. And at what point do those loans, if you're not going to pay it back, become income? So we think that this is just the tip of the iceberg. We think there are many more crimes.

And my concern is that Weiss may have indicted Hunter Biden to protect him. There you go. He had to be deposed. Yes. In the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday. He indicted him to protect him. Yes. The classic rubric. He indicted him to protect him. I got it. Look, this whole this Jake, this whole thing's been about a cover up. You know, you've got to. That's why he's here to protect him to cover it up. There's no better way to cover up a crime

than drawing attention to the person by indicting them. Very, very brilliant analysis. Look, you indict him on the least little thing, the gun charge and not paying taxes. He's facing like 17 additional years in prison. Yeah, but look, anybody else in America would already be in prison, would already be like Trump. Like Trump. You say he owes $2 million. He may owe $7 or $8 million if these loans are fraudulent loans. I mean, a loan means you are going to pay it back. So look, but at the end of the day, at the end of the day, this money's coming from bad people around the world.

Why are they paying $100? Why are they paying $100? We believe that it's because they want to direct access to Joe Biden. And I don't think any American, whether they're Democrat or Republican, would want to have a president that's compromised to our biggest enemy in the world, China. So again, I asked for one piece of evidence or testimony that directly, incredibly connected President Biden to prove in his conduct. Speaker 5 I will. I said it. I said it. The termination of show really soon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not as well as that isn't it? Speaker 2 Yeah. Remember the termination of Shokin at this point? We've heard even from within Ukraine. Yeah, this guy was corrupt. We wanted him out. I mean, there is no evidence for any of what James Comer is saying. There wasn't evidence for what he was saying six months ago. There wasn't evidence for what he was saying three months ago, three weeks ago. There's no evidence for this at all. He is not the only person pushing this new conspiracy theory, though. I will tell you, here is Byron Donald's being interviewed by Fox News propagandist and Trump brown noser Maria Bartiromo. And he also says, you know, the very serious

felony charges they got Hunter with. It's part of the cover up to protect everybody. This conspiracy theory baseless is going mainstream. I'm just wondering if the timing of this indictment on Hunter Biden is a partly cover up because the DOJ had this information. They've been sitting on this for a long time, but they decided to indict Hunter Biden the weekend before he was supposed to go under oath in a closed door testimony. I totally agree. The timing is suspect. And let's take a step back. His attorney, Abby Lowell, says that the only reason why he got indicted is because his last name is Biden. No, Abby, the only reason that it took so long for him to be indicted is because his last name is Biden

and because House Republicans uncovered this web of corruption surrounding Joe Biden that this web of corruption for which they still haven't been able to find any evidence. So Byron Donald jumps on this idea that the timing is very suspicious. I think they're indicting him to protect him. And then lastly, and maybe most hilariously, Byron Donald's argues that Joe Biden might have done something impeachable by not getting in the way of Hunter Biden's alleged crimes, which I'm not aware of the good Samaritan law that exists that would make this logical legally. But here he is making that argument.

Where do you see this going? Yeah, well, what I see happening is that over the next month or two, we're going to finish our investigation. logical legally. But here he is making that argument. Where do you see this going, Congressman? Well, what I see happening is that over the next month or two, we're going to finish our investigation. I do believe at that point, it's going to be crystal clear that there are articles impeachment that should be drafted for Joe Biden because number one, he accepted bribes through his family from foreign nations, especially China and others. No evidence of that so far. Number two, he knew that his brother and his son were violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act. No evidence of that either.

I believe he's a co-conspirator in that because if you knowingly understand that your family's getting money from overseas and you don't tell them to register as foreign agents or foreign lobbyists or whatever, however you want to define it, that's a violation of federal law. So I believe that is a situation right there for the American people to see. There you go. And they are now making this argument about Farah, about foreign agent reporting. There's just no evidence. There's no evidence of any of these things. It's not clear it matters to them. It's not clear that the people who watch and consume this stuff understand or even care. But based on what Eric Swalwell told

us last week, it seems that it doesn't matter whether they find evidence. And it does seem as though they are determined to push forward with this Biden impeachment. What we all have to hope for is that enough of the American people, meaning Democrats, sensible independents, the occasional reasonable Republican, see through the brazenly political nature of it and don't fall for it. That's what we have to hope for. We'll see if it happens. Dan, some of the underpinnings of the anti-Semitism that we're seeing, it's really important to understand this. One in five young Americans thinks the Holocaust is a myth. Our new poll makes alarming reading. This is from The Economist,

which did this poll. And some of the questions they asked are right here. The Holocaust is a myth. 20 percent of those 18 to 29 believe that it is. And roughly 25 percent of those 18 to 29 believe that it is exaggerated. As you can see, the older one is in the United States, the less likely one is to believe that the Holocaust is a myth, which makes sense because the older you are, the closer you are either yourself or to people who were directly victimized by the Holocaust or potentially were could have been on either side of it. But the point is, the further we seem to get age wise, the more likely it is that someone will fall for the idea that the Holocaust is a myth. Now, if you actually look

at the full breakdown of the answers from this poll, only 51 percent of those 18 to 29 disagree that the Holocaust is a myth. So the numbers the way the numbers break down is you've got 51 percent that say it definitely wasn't a myth. Twenty percent say it was a miss a myth that leaves twenty nine percent who aren't sure they're not they're not totally sure it probably isn't a myth, but maybe it is. So between 20 and 49 percent of 18 to 29 year olds think either that the Holocaust was a myth or might have been or they're not sure. This is about so much more than just growing anti-Semitism. This is also about the degree to which widely documented history stops mattering when you can propagandize individuals in the way

that we are seeing them propagandize with so many of the social platforms that are out there. You know, Dwight D. Eisenhower famously said, record it all, get it all on film, get the concentration camps on film, get the victims stacked up, get get all of it on film. He didn't say it. It's often misattributed to he expected there to be Holocaust denial in the future. That's not why that quote is attributed to him. It's not believed that Dwight D. Eisenhower was saying record all of it because in the future people might deny it. He was saying record all of it because we're going to need all of it for the Nuremberg trials, record all of it so that we can actually hold people accountable. But it turns out that it was needed for more reasons than just that.

Now, I assume that people will immediately react to this story by saying, oh, this is the left's fault because of left wing anti-Semitism or this is the right's fault because of left wing anti-Semitism or this is the right's fault because of right wing anti-Semitism. The reality is that this is bigger than that. This is the American educational system. This is about giving young people unrestricted social media access to platforms where you see a lot of this stuff pushed for which we have to be looking at parenting. This is about the pre existing anti-Semitism that exists among the right. It also exists among the left. I've been calling it out on the program for more than a decade. But the saddest part of all of this is that if you look, I'm not talking about extreme enclaves on the Internet. I'm just saying, if you look at stories about this

poll on Twitter, on Reddit, and you look through the comments, you will find a disturbing amount, a disturbing amount of anti-Semitism in the responses and glee people saying, good, it was a myth. Finally, our young people are going to figure that out or they are figuring it out. So if you want to understand why this is happening, if you want to understand why this persists, just look at the comments online. In fact, once we post this segment to YouTube, look at the comments on this video on YouTube and you will very quickly understand the disastrous nature of what's going on here.

We'll have the polling. We'll put it up visually on our YouTube channel, tick tock, Instagram, all of our platforms. Sad. Yes. Disturbing. Scary for sure. And the question is, where does this go? What impact does this have?

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I know I didn't know Glenn Beck still had a program either, but she was on it and she now admits this is what's going on. This is in the context, of course, of arguing that Joe Biden is worse. But still, the fact that Megyn Kelly is now openly admitting this, that gets us to the next step in finding acceptance for what is obviously going on. Take a listen to this. Do you think that Donald Trump has faded from where he was in 2020? Yeah, I do. I mean, I take him over Joe Biden any day of the week. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah. I don't think he's going to fill out this term, never mind a second. But there's no question Trump has lost a step or multiple steps. He is confusing Joe Biden for Obama. I know he's now saying he intentionally did that. Go back and look at the clips. Right. It wasn't intentional. It was very look, any of us could have a slip of the tongue, but it's happening to him repeatedly. The reference about how somebody's going to get us into World War II, confusing countries, confusing cities where he is. It's happening more and more.

With all due respect to Trump, this is what happens when you're 77 years old. Trump seems inhuman, but he's not inhuman. He's a human. He's a human. He's a man. DeSantis's line about father time spares no one was a good one. So look, if it's between Trump and Biden, I don't think there's any question who's more fit and who capable. But are we really going to pretend that Donald Trump is just as vibrant and mentally sharp as he was in 16? OK. This is a big change. OK, now I get it. Megyn Kelly saying, oh, well, Joe Biden's even worse. Fine. We can have that debate. That's a

fine debate to have. The fact that she now openly admits it's not even defensible at this point that Trump is as sharp as he once was and that she doesn't even try to deny that reality. This is a sign that she is going in the direction of accepting what it is that so many of us have been seeing for years at this point in time. At one point, they were all denying it. They now increasingly acknowledge it, but say, well, Joe Biden is actually worse. Well, maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But if you believe that they both are suffering in some way and you believe that most of the work will be done by the people around them, my choice is the people around Biden rather than the people that Trump will have around him. Now, by the way, there is there's a new report on who is Trump planning to have in his second

cabinet if indeed he becomes president again. It's a house of horrors. I already know I'm not going to have time to get to it on today's show, but we plan to get to it on tomorrow's program. I will tell you the names that Trump is thinking of for his second cabinet. And so even if you want to say, hey, you know what? They're both suffering from some level of dementia. Well, the economy is solid. Biden has reasonable people around him, and Trump will put unrestrained and unqualified extremist ideologue loyalists around him. Even if they're both a little bit slowed down, that's even more reason to vote for Joe Biden. But this is not a small thing. This is a big deal. And the fact that she's acknowledging it in this way and saying there's not even a way to deny it, there's no way to deny it at this point.

You see what's going on. And we'll look at some of those gaffes a little bit later. At this point, that is a major change in the way that prominent, you know, right wing journalists and whatever Megan McKellie's personal beliefs are. She says, I have some left wing beliefs. I have some right wing beliefs. The role that she's playing is of a right wing journalist. The fact that she's now openly saying this and saying it's completely indefensible to make a different argument, that is a major, major change. A tux wearing orange Trump told another one of these Sir stories and had some major cognitive gaffes when speaking to the New York Young Republicans Gala or Gala. I don't really care which way you pronounce it. Both are fine. I've been to five galas and three galas. Couldn't tell the difference between them. A Trump speaking in New York and again,

very cognitively shaky. Here is Trump arguing that tons of companies are leaving the country under Joe Biden. And his example is Exxon Mobil Mobile moving from New York to Dallas, leaving the country, moving to Texas? Oh, boy. Cognitive fail once again. These are getting really difficult to watch. Nobody knows. She was the one she sued Exxon Mobil and 2019 Letitia James in a much watched legal battle.

The end result was that Exxon moved out of New York. How do you think that's a good idea? Exxon Mobil, one of the biggest companies in the world, left New York and they went to Dallas. Great job, Letitia. And that's what's happening right now. Businesses are fleeing our country. Businesses are leaving this whole horrible system. They're leaving the state. They're leaving our country. So the one example Trump can come up with of companies bailing on the country is Exxon moving from New York to Texas. It's getting painful to watch. It's getting painful to watch.

Then Trump went into one of his famous Sir stories. He says that generals said to him. The most courageous, the bravest thing they've ever seen was when Trump chalked up his sexual harassment to locker room talk. Generals, that's the bravest thing they've seen. Here's a story. Take a listen to this. But I went on to that stage just a few days later and a general who's a fantastic general actually said to me, sir, I've been on the battlefield. Men have gone down on my left and on my right. I stood on hills where soldiers were killed.

But I believe the bravest thing I've ever seen was the night you went onto that stage with Hillary Clinton after what happened. And then that woman asked you the first question about it. And I said, locker room talk. It's locker room talk. What the hell? What are you talking? Locker room talk. The bravest thing that a general who's been on the battlefield has seen men and women go into combat and lose their lives. The bravest thing that general has ever seen was when Trump chalked up sexual harassment to locker room talk. Does anybody believe this latest sur store, the multi-time draft dodger saying when I minimized the sexual harassment I was caught on tape doing, that's the bravest thing a general has ever seen. Trump then talking about the dictator thing. You know why I wanted to be a dictator, to drill and

to build the wall, doubling down, I guess, on his dictatorial wet dream. Baker today in The New York Times, he said that I want to be a dictator. I didn't say that. I said I want to be a dictator for one day. But The New York Times said and you know why I wanted to be a dictator? Because I want a wall, right? I want a wall and I want to drill, drill, drill. So well, we did. Yeah, the crowd chants build the wall.

Trump says he did it. He didn't do it in Mexico, didn't pay for it. So notice that Trump is sort of trying to soften what it means to be a dictator, change the definition. It's not so bad. It's just one day at the end of the day. But what he wants to do is get rid of media outlets he doesn't like, look at the execution or at minimum prosecution of his political enemies, make Christianity a national religion, use the Department of Defense

and military to end protests that he doesn't like, skip or terminate the Constitution when it's not useful to him. He said all this stuff. He said all this stuff. You don't have to extrapolate from things he's subtly implying. He said all of it. Last clip from this totally harebrained gong show event. Trump actually sort of funny talking about Ron DeSantis, his high heels and his bobblehead. Trump every once in a while can be funny, but the danger to comedy ratio is very much in favor of danger. Let's be clear of that. You know what I love? I love when they say we really want to run against Donald Trump. That's the one we want. How did they do in 2016, by the way? We want Donald Trump. Well, how have they done since?

Pretty well. We don't want to run against Ron DeSantimonious with his high heels and his bobblehead bullshits**t, you know. It looks like a bobblehead doll. I don't like him because I endorsed him and, you know, I got him elected. You told me exactly. Yeah, Trump's not wrong about DeSantis' high heels and bobblehead stuff, but they're both dangerous wannabe autocrat dictators. So Trump's latest speech to the New York Young Republicans Club, very disturbing. Again, continuing to have these dictatorial aspirations, cognitively confused, making

up stories in which people call him, sir, I would expect all of this to continue. And the pressure building on Trump because of his cognitive gaps is building. And Trump is now doubling down and insisting that he's doing it on purpose. Let's review that next before we move on to other things. Donald Trump went on a midnight and middle of the night truth social. Real essential where he again insisted his cognitive gaffes, wherein he says that Obama is actually currently the president.

It's all on purpose. It's all deliberate. A first Donald Trump posting about the Republican debate last week, which we covered live. Let's look at his thoughts there first, where he said, quote, So many people are asking what I thought of history's lowest rated presidential debate and how I would rate the players. It's so easy to be a critic. But who on this subject would be better than me to begin with? I thought Ron DeSanctimonious was terrible with his bobblehead

facial movements and his walking on eggs. But that sloppy Chris Christie was worse. He's not fit mentally or physically to be president. Plus, he suffers from TDS or Trump derangement syndrome at levels not seen before. In other words, he's a sick puppy. On top of it all, his poll numbers are just one percent in a class with Ada Hutchinson. He's dead. But so is Ron, whose weird bobbing head and fresh mouth make his high heels look good. He's walking on eggs. Birdbrain look different and lost. But I give her second place. Bird brain is Nikki Haley.

Vivek wins because he thinks I'm great. The biggest loser was Megyn Kelly. What the hell happened to her? She has lost whatever she once had, which wasn't very much. Some things never change. Trump then insisting his cognitive failures are deliberate. This is very difficult to believe. Trump trothing on truth social, quote, I never confused crooked Joe Biden with Barack Obama, except in the form of a sarcastic joke, which the fake news knows and fully understands.

Sarcasm is a very dangerous thing for me to use. You know, it is truly impossible to believe that Donald Trump was doing it on purpose. Here is Brian Kilmeade on Fox. I've played this before, insisting Trump's doing it on purpose and everybody else has to laugh because it's so unbelievable. You can't compare yourself to Joe Biden. There's no way. And Donald Trump keeps saying that because he believes Obama's

pulling the strings. I talked to him off camera about that. I talked to the radio about that. I said, well, and I corrected him on the radio interview. Please go back and listen. I said, you mean Joe Biden? He goes, no, Joe Biden, he's convinced Barack Obama's running the country. That's why he says it. He wants you to think that. Oh, Brian, come on. And he thinks that's good. That's good. You should be you should be his manager's campaign. That's a really good spin on that. No, that's a good spin on that. I'm going to jump in, guys. So listen, I mean, here's just here's one example. Trump's done this a dozen times at this point. Look for the sarcasm. Look for the joke. Look for the

tongue in cheek ness of this guy. We're interviewing him two weeks ago and they said, what would you advise President Obama? The whole world seems to be exploding and imploding. And he said, it's very simple. He should immediately resign and they should replace him with President Trump, who kept the world safe. And I'm not just talking to say China. See it's obvious he's joking, right? It's obvious that it's merely sarcasm.

We've looked at six, seven or eight of these recently. There is not a single example where anyone with a normal IQ and ability to read social cues would watch it or hear it and come away thinking, yeah, that was sarcasm. Yeah, that was a joke. And part of it is Trump doesn't do sarcasm. The other part of it is it doesn't make any sense for it to be sarcastic. It just it doesn't it doesn't land. It doesn't communicate. So Trump insisting that's the explanation completely not believable in any way whatsoever. But that's what the guy is going with. It seems even Megyn Kelly at this

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The info is in the podcast notes. We continue to get more and more free speech on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, since Elon Musk purchased it. Some of the most vile and disgusting figures have been unbanned. The most recent is conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. Alex Jones, unbanned from Twitter, immediately rehabilitated by promoting an interview with Elon Musk by participating in some kind of Twitter spaces event with the VEG Ramaswamy and Elon Musk doing an interview with Tucker Carlson. I'll just show you some of the things that he got up to almost immediately.

Here is Alex Jones triumphant return to Twitter. Alex is back. The First Amendment less than a day after being reinstated to X. I was on Mario Nafal's number one X spaces program in an over 120,000 people watching at one time, more than 8 million watched it by the time it was over. Elon Musk came on for more than two hours, and I asked a lot of good questions. So officially, I was the guy getting interviewed, but I turned it around, made it about Elon Musk, because quite frankly, he's even more interesting than I am. We're going to be posting this interview with just my questions, cut down the full interviews,

obviously on Mario's channel. We'll be posting it to X here in the next few hours. We'll be playing on my radio show and TV show tomorrow. Eleven eight central info wars dot com forward slash show. So for all the people that heard about Info Wars but didn't know what we really stood for because it was misrepresented. This is your chance to go to Info Wars dot com forward slash show. So as you can see, he's using the opportunity to get back to the Twitter now ex audience,

tell them all about how great Alex Jones is, and he's going to then presumably thanks to Elon Musk, pull in a much larger audience, then posting. Also, you just go down, you see the stuff that he posted. He also has been interviewed by Tucker Carlson and what is clearly a, you know, semi coordinated sort of thing to time out with when Alex Jones is back on the platform. Alex Jones getting the hero's welcome from Tucker as well. We're here with the world's most dangerous man, the most censored man in the English language. Right. But honestly, when you get him in front of an outhouse in the woods,

he doesn't seem so dangerous. So fancy outhouse. We have a ruling class in the United States defined by its hatred. Now Tucker brings in Alex Jones as the hero to explain all of this ruling class stuff. Not its loves, not its hopes, but by its hatreds. They hate all kinds of people, large groups of people, the deplorables, the bitter clingers, America's entire blue collar population, the unfashionable people. They're hated by the people who run our country. But no one is hated more by them than a man called Alex Jones. Right. Alex Jones is the single most censored man in all American history. He was the first media figure in our history to

be completely erased in one day. There's never been a bigger victim than Alex Jones. Deplatformed. Alex Jones was deplatformed before it was a common term. And not just deplatformed, sued, attacked. They attempted to criminally charge him. What did Alex Jones do wrong? Alex Jones didn't rape anybody. He didn't loot Macy's. He didn't burn a police station. He didn't invent a fake cryptocurrency and loot pension funds. He didn't start a pointless war that made this country poorer and more disorganized. He didn't open the southern border. No, Alex Jones had opinions that deeply rattled the people who run America. In fact, a lot of us. Everyone's so scared of him that they banned him. And I'll just confess

that I first heard of Alex Jones when he questioned the official story behind 9-11. And I myself was deeply offended by this. I didn't take any time to find out what he was saying, but I was bothered. All right. So listen, Tucker was wrong and Alex was right to question it. So, OK, I mean, listen, at this point, X has so destroyed what Twitter once was that I don't think Alex Jones going back on X is going to save X. Right. There's a there's a two sided thing here. Who needs who more? Does Alex Jones need to be back on X or does X need Alex Jones?

I think they both need each other and neither is going to be the other savior. But some of the concerns with putting Alex Jones back on X are obvious. Another platform on which to spread misinformation and disinformation, enabling, endorsing and signal boosting harmful views, undermining trust in media and institutions. The followers who will say, hey, if Alex is back on, then his views are kosher. And maybe I'll follow some of this stuff and incite harassment or violence at those that are targeted by Alex Jones, setting a precedent when you welcome back Alex Jones, who's been violating community guidelines

everywhere in dangerous and disturbing ways. You're saying, hey, it's all welcome. Let's let's let's make this a platform about this sort of thing. So I don't I'm not offended. Right. At this point, I post to Twitter once a week. It's had no impact on the show. I've realized that essentially being ninety nine point nine percent off Twitter hasn't hurt the show in any way. In fact, we're growing faster than we have been in a while to some degree because we're getting closer to an election. The dangers lie in the potential to spread misinformation, fundamentally validating these harmful viewpoints. And especially when you are glorified in the way that he's being glorified by Elon Musk, by Tucker Carlson and others. That's really the concern. And so Alex Jones is back.

Hilariously, we now have a new incident called Piscate, which, yes, Alex Jones is involved in, but it centers around Vivek Ramaswamy. Let's talk about that next. Vivek Ramaswamy was on a bizarre event, truly a bizarre event on Twitter spaces or X spaces. The newly rehabilitated and unbanned Alex Jones was there. Elon Musk was there. Vive Vick Rama Swami was there. Manosphere guru and a manosphere guru, Andrew Tate was there. And at a certain point, the Vick urgently just has to kind of like leave. And he has a hot mic moment where his urination is audible over the Twitter spaces. If you believe Twitter's stats about how many people were watching or listening to this thing, better said, a ton of people heard this thing. At the same time, those numbers are probably made up. But here it is. Vivek Ramaswamy embroiled in

a major controversy called Piscate. And I have a very specific reason why I'm bringing this up. Those of you who are fans of certain movies probably pause the video. OK, let me know in a comment what scene from a classic movie does this remind you of? This is why I love this. Take a listen to what happened on Twitter spaces to the children. That's all I'm saying. Elon Musk is promoting an optimistic, pro human future that the science and evidence shows is real and that we need. Gentlemen, I have to go. Yeah, I just want to be. So that's the big saying, gentlemen, I have to go. And then soon you'll hear you'll hear it. Exactly. I want to be clear about my position. I'm super pro human and I mean,

all humans, you know, humans in America, humans in Africa, Asia was in America. He was in the bathroom. Now you can hear the water trickling. The fact that that's your phone. The fact I'm not able to meet you. Vivek. Go ahead, Elon. Sorry about that. So well, I hope you feel better.

I feel great. Thank you. Sorry about that, guys. So it's hope you feel better. I feel great. Thank you. Sorry about that, guys. So, I mean, it's beyond parody, right? Elon Musk is talking about how pro-human he is. Vivek Ramaswamy is urinating. It's just completely and totally wild. So what does this remind me of? One of my favorite movies, the Naked Gun series, where Lieutenant Frank Drebin, played by Leslie Nielsen, finishes speaking, keeps his mic on. Remember this classic movie scene? This is if you've not seen these movies, especially to some of our younger viewers. This is just quality, quality satire films. Take a listen to this. This is the classic scene Vivek Ramaswamy reenacting it. Thank you, Your Honor. Protecting the safety of the queen is a task that's gladly accepted by police force. For no matter how silly

the idea of having a queen might be to us, as course, we all have a stake in seeing that this portion of the Queen's American Goodwill Tour is completely empty. And we can all take pride that the Queen has chosen our city. So anyway, this scene is why any time I do a speaking gig and they make me up. OK, this scene is so burned in my mind whenever I do a speaking gig and I'm carrying around a microphone. If I go to the bathroom, even though oftentimes they will tell you we'll turn this off when you walk off the stage, I will physically disconnect the physical mic from the wireless transmitter. I don't want to take any chances whatsoever. And it's this famous scene with Lieutenant Frank Drebin that reminds me of that. Maybe, you know, Vivek's my age. Maybe Vivek did not see the movie or something like that. But long story short, insane conversation

on X, Alex Jones, Andrew Taint, Elon Musk, et cetera, punctuated by piss skate. Vivek Ramaswamy urine, Vivek Ramaswamy urinating over the entire thing. Wild, wild stuff. We have a voicemail number. If you have anything you want to weigh in on, you can call the voicemail number two one nine two David P. If you get a hankering to leave me a voicemail at 3 a.m. You can do it. Here is a caller attacking the troll callers and the right wing nuts who complain when I talk during my own live streams. Here's a caller who's saying to them, you're not making any sense. Take a listen.

David, sir, this is James. I just wanted to let you know that this idea that you should not talk on your own show during broadcast is really absurd. Right. People are telling you, like, when they're watching the debate, they don't want to hear commentary from David Passman. And why are they watching the David Pakman show? Right. Go watch T-SPAN if you don't want any commentary. Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest because some people are so dumb. Yeah, I listen to you. Of course, the caller is right. If you don't want to hear from David Pakman, don't watch The David Pakman Show.

What I will tell you is the following. We have been covering certain events, including Republican debates that aren't getting a lot of coverage on YouTube. It's like, you know, whatever channel News Nation will stream it on their channel, on their website. It'll be on Rumble and then it's almost nowhere else. So it is true. And I welcome it that when I cover such an event, people who don't know about me will just search for the debate on YouTube. Sometimes I'll be one of only two or three channels that is covering it and then they'll find me. They don't know who I am. Totally fine.

They're welcome to be there. We estimate that roughly two thirds of the people that watch the live streams aren't existing subscribers. They may know who I am, but they're not subscribed. Two thirds. Right. So a lot of new viewers. That's all great. At some point, it's like, listen, it's free and you're not finding it anywhere else. Maybe you just have to tolerate my commentary without emailing me insults, attacks and disgusting messages of different kinds. Just a thought. And certainly what the caller here seems to be seems to be suggesting. OK, let me tell you about a couple of things that are coming up because this is actually a pretty big deal. We are going to have these are some really good guests. We're going to have NPR's Steven keep on the show. OK, super excited to talk to him. It's been rescheduled a few times.

He's going to be on this week. It's going to be fantastic. There is a podcast I've mentioned that I listen to Freakonomics MD. It's part of the Freakonomics podcast network. The host of that podcast, Dr. Anupam Jena, is a doctor and an economist. Super interesting guy. He's going to be on the show. If you're not listening to Freakonomics MD, check it out. I think they're in like a break. I haven't seen a new episode for a little while. Hopefully the podcast isn't over. And then also we are scheduled to have on the program Morgan Housel. This is like a I'm personally very interested in this interview. Morgan Housel is one of the most up and coming sort of like personal finance writers. He wrote the best selling book. How many languages is it in now? The psychology of money. You can find that book

and others I recommend at David Pakman dot com slash finance. Morgan Housel just wrote another book, which is more about what are the principles that never seem to change? We can't predict what social media platforms will be popular. We can't predict, oh, what sort of car are people going to be driving? We can count on the fact that people have always been greedy and ready to take advantage of others. That's was the truth. Two thousand years ago. It's the truth. A hundred years ago. It's the truth. Now, that would be a principle we can probably count on in thinking about how we want to think about the world. That's his new book. Same as ever read both of them. He's going to be on the

show. It's going to be fantastic. And then also this one is by popular demand. Robert Sapolsky, OK, celebrated scientist. He has some fantastic courses on YouTube that I've watched and others have as well. Best selling author. So many of you said, David, you got to have Robert, sir. You've got to have Robert Sapolsky on. He is also scheduled to be on. So some really, really good guests coming up on the bonus show today. We talked about last week. Last week, we spoke about that hearing at which three college presidents from UPenn,

Harvard and MIT had less than strong answers on is calling for the genocide of Jews allowed at your campus. One of those three, the president of Penn, has now resigned and there is big pressure on the others to resign. We will discuss. Secondly, seven in 10 American adults consider themselves spiritual. And we're going to talk about that in a context of decreasing religiosity. What does it mean to be considered spiritual versus religious? And third, is it time for Joe Biden to come up with a significantly different perspective on cannabis for his 2024 campaign? I believe the answer is yes.

We'll see what Pat thinks. We will see what you think. Get instant access to the bonus show by signing up at join Pacman dot com. You can use the coupon code two million. That's the number two and the word million to get a crazy discount off of the cost of membership. I hope to see you on the bonus show. Otherwise, I'll be back with you tomorrow.