The David Pakman Show - 12/19/22: Americafest Horror, Attacker Yells Kanye 2024

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

-- On the Show: -- An antisemitic attacker yells "Kanye 2024" during the attack, reminding us of the power of celebrity antisemitism -- The right-wing Wall Street Journal says that Republicans are too dimwitted to actually wield power -- Failed former President Donald Trump panics overnight on Truth Social about the possibility that his tax returns will soon leak -- January 6 Committee member Adam Schiff says that there is indeed evidence to criminally charge Donald Trump -- Former Donald Trump adviser Steven Bannon has an epic meltdown over Donald Trump's NFT trading card grift -- Failed former Arizona Republican Governor Kari Lake delivers a disgusting and dangerous speech at Americafest 2022 -- Failed former Arizona Republican Governor Kari Lake, during a speech to Log Cabin Republicans, says that she prefers gay men to straight men -- Failed former Arizona Republican Governor Kari Lake sucks up to Donald Trump, saying that Trump is an even more amazing man than her own husband -- Legal expert Glenn Kirschner explains that Donald Trump could face 25 years in prison if charged -- A review of the unhinged horror that was Americafest 2022, including Donald Trump Jr, Dennis Prager, Josh Hawley, Benny Johnson and more -- Voicemail caller calls in about something but is barely intelligible because she is loudly playing the David Pakman Show in the background -- On the Bonus Show: Argentina wins the 2022 World Cup, Ohio teacher told principal using students' preferred pronouns violated her religion, record number of guns confiscated at US airports, much more... 🌿 Sunset Lake CBD: Get 20% OFF using code PAKMAN at https://sunsetlakecbd.com 🌳 Use code PAKMAN for 20% off HoldOn plant-based bags at https://holdonbags.com 💻 Get Private Internet Access for 82% OFF + 3 months free at https://www.piavpn.com/David 🛌 Get up to $350 OFF a Helix Sleep mattress + 2 free pillows at https://helixsleep.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Subscribe to Pakman Finance: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanfinance -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

Speaker 1 An anti-Semitic attacker yelled Kanye 2024 while committing the attack. And we are going to talk about what happened. And importantly, this is not about Kanye being legally responsible for the attack or anything like it. This is about realizing that when high profile celebrities like Kanye West make anti-Semitic comments, it contributes to normalizing and accepting anti-Semitism in society. That's the point that we are making here. Let's go to the Washington Post article. Attacker yells Kanye 2024 during anti-Semitic assault. Police say NYPD is investigating an alleged attack in Central Park this week in which a man in his mid 40s assaulted a 63 year old man and spewed anti-Semitic comments before yelling out Kanye 2024. Of course, a reference to Kanye's anti-Semitic rhetoric. The older man was walking

in Central Park about 730 p.m. Wednesday when the other man allegedly hit him from behind, according to police. When the older man fell to the ground, he broke his hand and chipped a tooth. The attacker then uttered numerous anti-Semitic comments towards the man, according to police, before the attacker fled on a bicycle with a trailer featuring a sign reading hungry, disabled. Police say he referenced the artist formerly known as Kanye West, who has issued several anti-Semitic tirades, saying Kanye 2024. Sixty three year old man has not been publicly identified. Anti-Semitic attacks in the U.S. are at an all time high. So when high profile individuals make statements or they engage in behaviors that are perceived as anti-Semitic or that are anti-Semitic, it can give the impression

that this type of bigotry is acceptable and mainstream. And in fact, when it comes specifically to anti-Semitism, it's very popular. It's very in vogue to say we don't even really need to treat it as seriously as other isms because Jews are privileged in 2022. We've talked about that extensively and we've talked about how that very refrain is in and of itself based on anti-Semitic tropes and stereotypes. But this is why it's not as simple as many of the emails I get from some of you lovely people who say it doesn't matter that Kanye is anti-Semitic. Fine. Maybe he's anti-Semitic. Some people email me and they say the stuff's Kanye. Kanye saying it's true. OK, there's people who recognize, yes, these are anti-Semitic. Some people email me and they say the stuff's Kanye saying is true. Okay.

There's people who recognize, yes, these are anti-Semitic tropes, but it doesn't matter. Just Kanye doesn't matter. It's a vicious circle, in fact, and it matters very much. The use of anti-Semitic language or imagery by celebrities fuels the spread of that very misinformation and those conspiracy theories and tropes, which then in the followers of these celebrities creates a new cycle of emboldening and furthering and exacerbating those very beliefs, which only creates more of it. It's a vicious circle. And we've seen many examples of this. It's not only Kanye. I mean, listen, we can go back to Henry Ford if you really want to. But without going back that far, Mel Gibson in 2006, Mel Gibson had this incident where he was arrested drunk driving and he made a bunch of anti-Semitic statements to the officer. He said to the guy, are you a Jew?

Crazy. But I believe the officer was Jewish, which is just I mean, that's another whole incredible coincidence, saying the Jews are responsible for the wars in the world and all this stuff. And, you know, he eventually apologized. And I think Mel Gibson's acting again. I don't know. But at the time, it created a lot of this. Mel Gibson's willing to say stuff a lot of people in Hollywood aren't willing to say. Louis Farrakhan, we've talked about many times before. He's the leader of the Nation of Islam. Very long history of anti-Semitic statements. Blame the Jews for 9-11. Typical stuff. Jews are actually the ones in control of the government, that type of thing. He has a significant following. And there are lots of folks in the Nation of Islam

who maybe don't come in with particular views about Jews, but they end up informed by Louis Farrakhan. And then you have a whole new generation of people who repeat the same stuff. And Ice Cube had an incident. Rapper Ice Cube promoted some conspiracy theories about Jews on social media, claimed Jews are responsible for the slave trade, which isn't true. And he responded by saying, I'm not promoting anti-Semitism. I'm raising questions about the history of slavery, questions that are very extensively answered by, by history. So it's a vicious circle of stuff. The vicious circle itself perpetuates the belief, and then it creates more of a problem. And anti-Semitism like other forms of bigotry, is often based on negative stereotypes and

prejudices about Jews. The prejudices themselves make it easier for people to believe the conspiracy theories. And even if there's no evidence to support them, it's a feedback loop. It's like if you put a microphone up to a speaker and then, you know, a feedback loop. There are also psychological factors because research has found that people are more likely to believe conspiracy theories when they're feeling anxious or uncertain in a time of crisis or change. They become more susceptible to believing this stuff.

And we have a right wing party in the United States, the Republican Party, that for a decade now has been based on using fear and making people afraid that they're going to lose their way of life or their lives or whatever. And that actually primes people to be even more likely to fall for this stuff in the first place. So the full circle of the Kanye anti-Semitism. And we'll follow up on the story probably on a forthcoming bonus show. This is absolutely fascinating. The right wing Wall Street Journal, part of News Corporation, owned by Rupert Murdoch, has put out an op ed indicating that although Republicans will be taking control of the House in just a few weeks. They are too dimwitted, essentially too stupid to wield power. This is super interesting, not because someone wrote

Republicans are kind of dim. Most of us knew that, but because the right wing editorial board of the Wall Street Journal wrote it. Republican Party masochists writes the editorial board on Friday, Republican division and disarray on Capitol Hill bowed ill for the next Congress. And the entire article is worth reading. But there is a particular article that is interesting. I'll actually start with the paragraph before their main demand is so self-defeating talking about Republicans here, their main demand is so self-defeating it could have come from Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The dissenters want Kevin McCarthy to concede that any member could call the chair vacant and insist on a vote to replace the sitting speaker in order to get the votes to become speaker. McCarthy is supposed to weaken himself so much that he wouldn't be able to govern as speaker. Yet a narrow Republican

majority of only two twenty two to two thirteen requires a leader who can enforce party discipline. That's how Nancy Pelosi has been able to govern with the mirror image majority in the last two years. Too many House Republicans are too dimwitted to understand the uses of power and how to wield it. They'd rather rage against the machine to no useful effect. I don't care who wrote this, and it happens to be the right wing Wall Street Journal editorial board. It's completely correct and accurate as an assessment of the Republican Party right now. They are so obsessed with rage and anger and fear that they care more about perpetuating. Oh, we're going to take down McCarthy. Our focus will be to go after Hunter Biden or to impeach Joe Biden, even if we don't know why. And we're going to make people afraid of the immigrants that Joe Biden's letting in, even though there's really no significant changes

to immigration policy from Biden since Trump. This is what it's all about. The rage is what many of the modern MAGA Trump is used rage and fear to get elected in the first place. Last week we talked about reactionary populism, many of them using reactionary populism, which includes making people angry and making people afraid. That's why they don't have plans or policies. That's why they are totally lacking in policy and a policy platform beyond just stop the Democrats from doing what they want to do or what they would like to do. They were the angry opposition to what was happening in power. Democrats for a while now they're going to be in office. They're going to control the

House of Representatives. The outrage is all that they have. And so that rage, this is the correct answer. We've seen it for so long now among these people and many of them. And I've spent time in parts of the country where this is the case. They grew up in a church. I spent time in rural, northern or rural, as some like to say. I don't say it that way. Rural northern Indiana. And people basically go to two places. They go to church and they go to a shooting range. Those are places where you become angry and you become afraid. You're filled with hate, rage and anger. And you see it firsthand in a lot of these conservative places. And they use fear of immigrants. Members of the Republican Party say the dangerous immigrants are going to come in.

You've got to be afraid of them. So we need nativist immigration policy. We certainly need guns to protect ourselves from them, ignoring the reality that both naturalized legal and undocumented immigrants both are less likely to commit crime in the United States than natural born citizens. And it makes sense if you know your status is not legal or you have legal status, but you still see yourself as someone who came here later. You would probably go out of your way to avoid criminality and interactions with police. Widely documented, but yet fear of immigrants. It's in the church.

It's part of the narrative around why people need guns, grievances over perceived injustices. The right loves to say it's the left that does grievance politics. Actually, it's the right. It's the right. Black Lives Matter movement is bad and discriminatory and terrible. And we have a grievance against them and we must fight them. Antifa. I could go on and on the free speech rights that are being taken away from us, which really aren't being taken away. And then, of course, the use of divisive rhetoric for its own sake, protect American values, defend the Constitution, defend and restore free speech, things that are meaningless if you follow the facts on the ground, but that they use to drive these politics. So I believe the Wall Street editorial board is right. These Republicans will be taking control of the House, but they are too dimwitted to really understand how to wield power.

This is a good thing for the left to the extent that they end up just chasing their tails, talking about Hunter Biden for two years and hopefully accomplishing nothing. And maybe Democrats can get a couple of things done while Republicans are busy trying to impeach Joe Biden. Donald Trump is now panicking about the increasingly likely scenario in which his tax returns leak. He spent the overnight on his platform, Truth Social, call it whatever you want, complaining and telling lies. Let's back up just a little bit. There's two things going on simultaneously. Later today, the January 6th committee is expected to announce which criminal referrals are they sending to the

Department of Justice. Trump may be on that list. We don't yet know. That's number one. Separately, the House Ways and Means Committee has finally obtained Donald Trump's tax returns. Trump spent years trying to keep them secret for a guy with nothing to hide. I haven't seen so much money spent trying to keep those tax returns secret. Trump is now worried that the tax returns are going to leak. And he clearly is worried, I believe, because he thinks that the subject, the content of those tax returns would be bad for him. So he goes on Truth Central last night, 10, 11, midnight, and he starts, quote, The highly partisan unselect committee is illegally leaking confidential info to anyone that will listen. Adam Shifty Schiff is all over TV talking about capital C criminal referrals,

just like he was on the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, which turned out to be the con of the century. How much longer are Republicans and American patriots in general going to allow this to happen? These are the capital C criminals who spied on my campaign, cheated on the capital election, lied to FISA court in Congress. They are sick. Trump then when Trump starts these rants, it's often like, OK, what's this? What's this about? What triggered this? His next post exposes what this is all about. Trump says, quote, You can't learn much from tax returns, but it is illegal to release them if they are not yours. Trump worried about his

tax returns being released. It's also not true that you can't learn much from tax returns. Tax experts have said you might be able to glean from tax returns that Trump's not as wealthy as he claims to be, that he has debts to shady figures that might have him compromised, that he is engaged in tax fraud and a number of other things. Trump continuing, quote, all of the so-called experts who think that they know so much about my very successful private company actually know almost nothing. It is a great company with lots of cash and some of the greatest assets anywhere in the capital W world and very little debt. Also strong on deductions and depreciation. You will be seeing these numbers soon. Where have we heard that from before? But not all from my

tax returns, which show relatively little. Everyone will be impressed, but the fake news media will not be happy. So against their narrative. Is anybody still falling for the we're going to release the documents very soon thing? I mean, that's been going on for almost eight years at this point. Trump continuing the real criminals are the people who are destroying our once great capital C country and Trump closing it off. Election interference by the FBI and Twitter was massive and determinative. How sad. Of course, that's not true.

But when in doubt, go back to, I guess what's been working for you, which is claim you really won more than two years ago. Oh boy. If the tax returns leak, this guy is going to go cuckoo for cocoa puffs. And I look forward to it. I would never encourage anyone to commit a crime or leak anything. But if the tax returns leak, it's going to be quite a scene. Folks, this Friday, we are doing something we have never done before. Friday, December 23rd. Yes, we're doing a membership special. It's the last membership special of the year. But here's the incredible thing we are doing. Your first month's payment of this discounted membership will be donated by us to a charity that they don't run it through

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things like we have the evidence that will put Don Jr. in prison or at least get him charged. And it appears as though he was wrong about that. So Adam Schiff is no panacea. But we are within hours right now of the January 6th committee making criminal referrals. We don't yet know who's going to be on that list. And you have Adam Schiff saying the following. Let's take a listen and then discuss what discuss. Well, what could be those charges? I think that the evidence is there that Donald Trump committed criminal offenses in connection with his efforts to overturn the election. And viewing it as a former prosecutor, I think there's sufficient evidence to charge the president.

Wow. Do you get a conviction now? Well, I don't know what the Justice Department has. I do know what's in the public record. The evidence seems pretty plain to me. But I would want to see the full body of evidence if I were in the prosecutor's shoes to make a decision. But, you know, this is someone who in multiple ways tried to pressure state officials to find votes that didn't exist.

This is someone who tried to interfere with a joint session, even inciting a mob to attack the Capitol. True. If that's not criminal, then that I don't know what it is. So let's take this seriously and think it through. Let's not speak in general terms about this. According to the investigation by the January 6th committee, there's evidence that Trump committed crimes. That's what Adam Schiff is telling us. And we've heard it from others. The committee did find that Trump made false statements about the results of the 2020 election insofar as he claimed that he won, even though he lost. And then he used those false statements to encourage his followers to challenge the results. In so doing, he encouraged the violent attack on the US Capitol on January 6th, 2021, which about a million of us on our

stream watched live on that day. The evidence against Trump includes his own words, which the committee has looked at extensively, the actions of those who participated in the attacks and their claims that they were there because Trump told them to go. Trump made repeated claims that the election was stolen from him. He made false claims that it was stolen in particular ways, none of which were found to be have any merit. He urged his supporters to, quote, never give up, to never concede, to fight like hell, to march to the Capitol, to show support for him. In addition to Trump's public words, we have evidence of the planning and the coordination and the behind the scenes of this

plan that was drafted up for Trump for Mike Pence to again, at this point, we don't even really understand what he was supposed to do, quote, send it back to the states or recognize alternate electors, all the things that he couldn't do. But there was planning. There was legal work that went into that. And we have other individuals that were involved who were caught on video discussing the plan, discussing how to disrupt the election results. And some were even seeing wearing tactical gear and some of them even had weapons. So this was all a major plan. If Donald Trump were to be charged in connection with the attack from what happened on January 6th, the possible consequences could include fines, imprisonment or both. And we'll talk about the prison piece a little later.

Glenn Kirshner had an interesting comment about that's all hypothetical. But what would the specific charges be? Trump could face potentially incitement to riot, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, among other crimes. Each carries its own potential penalties and the penalties depend on the severity of the offense and other factors, including what he would ultimately be convicted of in this completely hypothetical scenario we're talking about. Now, of course, just because you're charged doesn't mean you're going to be found guilty. In the interview with Adam Schiff, Jake Tapper asked a good question, which is, OK, you might have the evidence for an indictment, but you have the evidence for a conviction. Those are two dramatically different

questions. And at the end of the entire thing is a question I've asked before. Can you find a jury in the United States that will fairly adjudicate Donald Trump? And what I mean by that is, is there really anyone in the US who would say I am open minded enough about Trump that whatever preconceived notions I have about him and what he did, I will rule based only on the evidence presented in this trial. I don't know that I could do that. I don't know that I could do that because it would be very difficult for me to completely put aside everything that over the last five years and in the couple of years since the riots in the year plus since

the riot, almost two years since the riots, I have learned about Donald Trump. So so there is a real question. Can Trump get an actual fair jury trial in the US? That'll be a conversation we have a little bit later. Stephen Bannon had an epic meltdown over Trump's NFT trading card grift. You have to see this video. There are elements in MAGA world that are furious about this NFT launch last week. Trump teasing. I'm going to be making a major announcement tomorrow. And the announcement was that you could buy digital trading cards of scrumps in various outfits looking like a superhero. They should have had Trump on the toilet at 3 a.m. posting to Truth Social or Trump on The View saying saying if Ivanka weren't my daughter, I would like to date her. Those would be the interesting Trump trading cards. Instead,

they were like Trump in a Spider-Man outfit. OK, anyway, Steve Bannon can't believe it. Steve Bannon melts down and says what on who came up with this disastrous idea. Now they're called Trump digital trading cards. These cards feature some of the. I can't do this anymore. He's one of the greatest presidents in history, but I got to tell you. That's not true. Whoever, but business partner and anybody in the comms team and anybody in Mar-a-Lago. I love the folks down there, but we're at war. They ought to be fired today. Right. You came out with something that's so important, which I still don't think gets to the heart of it. And hey, you don't have three harder cores than Cortez, Bannon and Seb Gorka. And we're getting blown up. We're the biggest supporters and this is stupid.

They under Seb. Walk me through it. Walk me through your assessment of this, sir. Yeah. Never should have happened. I mean, look, it's fun. It's hyperbolic. But whoever wrote that, that pitch should be fired and should never be involved in any. I don't want them making. Trump should be fired and never be involved in politics ever again. The presidential napkins for Mar-a-Lago. OK, anybody who came up with that and the president's war chest is pretty strong right now. Yes, because he claimed he was raising money for 2022 candidates and he kept 80 percent of it. We've got two years until the actual, you know, inauguration. We don't have time to waste.

If you want to do this kind of stuff, you know, have have have a peon do it. OK, get get somebody who's recognized in the MAGA world to put their face to this thing and do it. Yeah. Like Seb Gorka or Steve Bannon. Right. But the president should not be involved with this when we. Yeah. So this was, you know, MAGA world was pretty split over the stupid digital trading cards. Some of them, maybe they really liked it, but at least they went along with it and said, this is amazing. But Bannon and Gorka couldn't do it. Now, there's a lot of money laundering questions around it.

The idea would be that you could launder money through these NFT trading cards. Someone could potentially buy a whole bunch of these digital trading cards using illicit funds or funds that they would like to really be contributing to Trump's campaign. But they're in excess of the legal limits for those contributions. They could buy a bunch of those cards and that would be a way to funnel money to Donald Trump. You could also launder money personally by buying a bunch of these cards with illicit funds, then at a later date selling them. And then it potentially might be a way to clean that money for the individual. A couple different ways that you could actually use this to launder, but absolutely pathetic and humiliating decision, which financially may have actually worked out because they're claiming that the

trading cards sold out. I know it's just all completely bonkers, but they're claiming that the grift work that they got ninety nine dollars out of enough people, mega people. And I'm not going to redo it. But remember, cult members are overwhelmingly likely to continue falling for the stuff the cult leader says. People who get scammed are overwhelmingly likely to be scammed again and again and again. We've spoken about why extensively won't redo that here, but it seems to be happening. Make sure you're following the David Pakman show on Instagram at David Pakman show.

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than Carrie Lake. Carrie Lake lost. So she doesn't get to be the governor. This is a complicated concept for many of these right wingers. This rant. And by the way, I don't think this Carrie Lake stuff, Carrie Lake is still even though she lost, she ran one election and she lost. She's still being held up as a hero. She got one of the prime speaking times at this America Fest event over the weekend. But I think obviously she's not going to become the governor. So they're going to stop interviewing at some point. I think she'll maybe end up on Fox News or something like that. She I don't even know where to start. She makes an obscene gesture to the media

for being mean to Trump. And one of the funny things is she makes the gesture to the back of the room. I'm pretty sure it was only right wing media covering this thing. Take a look at this. Anybody I know and these bastards in gesture right now. And the crowd is cheering. Yeah, she's pointing to the back of the room. This is part of the kind of low base politics that we've covered the American right increasingly sliding towards while we on the left want to talk about, hey, you know what? Dental insurance should be included in health insurance. Why is it separate? Or is there a way we can figure out to make a transition off of fossil fuels for home heating more affordable for everybody? These are the types of questions

we're concerned with. This is the stuff that the right is doing, which is increasingly just being titillating by swearing or making obscene gestures or making fun of groups of people, usually minority groups of people that are disadvantaged or certainly not in positions of power. Speaking of which, also now very popular to do sort of a little light anti-trans rhetoric no matter what by stating your pronouns, but then saying something stupid like Carrie Lake says, my pronouns are I won. I know that right now we can identify as anything we want to identify as, but I want you to know that I identify as a proud election denying deplorable... Are you with me? Yeah.

And my pronouns... are... I just saw another red light go off by the way. And my pronouns are I won. She lost her opponent, got more votes. That's why she's speaking at America Fest rather than preparing to be the governor of Arizona. So why is this getting so popular, this anti-trans stuff, making fun of pronouns? Why is it becoming so popular among MAGA Trump is one reason is that Trump has shown a tendency

to be sort of hostile to trans rights. He's made statements and taken actions that are obviously hostile to the trans community where he ridicules weightlifters and swimmers and does his whole routine and talks about teaching transgender. So the suck ups are going to follow Trump's lead. That's one reason why this is going on. Secondly, Trump supporters have been emboldened to express similar views and to adopt the same sentiment. It's kind of like the Kanye anti-Semitism thing, which we talked about at the top of the show. It has an impact and they're feeling emboldened and more comfortable publicly saying they believe this stuff.

There's also probably a belief to some degree that if you are aligned with Trump ism on the anti-trans stuff, you're you will be able to mobilize your base in other ways. And unfortunately, it seems to be true to some degree. We saw the anti-trans and homophobic stuff very, very strongly front and center at CPAC. And it did seem to coalesce and excite people. And it seems like that's more or less what continues to go on. So to the extent that they seem to get a reaction by doing this, they'll continue the pronoun stuff, even if they don't actually understand a damn thing about what's going on in the world of trans and gender, as they clearly don't. Carrie Lake also focusing her ire on Dr. Fauci and calling him an elf. We're not going to answer to that evil elf,

Dr. Fauci anymore. Wow. Are you really powerful to speak out against a retiring 80 something year old doctor who spent 50 years helping people? How strong she is. Let's lock that man up fast. Lock him up. Lock him up. We don't need a big cell for that guy. Small one will do. Are they also making fun of Fauci because he's short? Like, I mean, we're getting America Fest making fun of gay people, trans people and short people, I guess. I mean, it's all very, very strange. And then one more of these clips from Carrie Lake talking about burning Maricopa to the ground, I guess, over the

election results that she doesn't like because she lost. They are daring us to do something about it. Right. Let me tell you what I'm going to do. They have built a house of cards here in Maricopa County. I think they're all wondering what I'm going to do. Yeah. You're going to do nothing, Carrie. You lost. I'll tell you what, I'm not just going to knock that house of cards over. We're going to burn it to the ground. Unclear if she's threatening criminality there, but this is at least for now someone who's considered exciting, a great speaker, a great motivator of whatever MAGA Trump ism is. And she's very, very dangerous. Now, before we move on to other America Fest stuff, I want to look at one other Carrie Lake event over the

weekend. Carrie Lake spoke at a log cabin Republican event, and she said she prefers gay men to straight men. Yeah, it's all bizarre. It's all very, very strange. Log cabin Republicans is a group of gay Republicans. It's we've talked about them before. Here is Carrie Lake speaking there, and she is going to explain to us why she prefers gay men. Very strange. Did you guys know that 80, 90, 100% of the men in media are gay? That I did not know that. I have to admit. For 30 years, we're the most amazing, fun, smart, savvy people in the world.

Gay men. And the one thing I really was going to miss when I walked away from the media was my gay friends. Right. Turns out I get into politics. I had no idea conservative politics was full of gay men. And I'll tell you what, I like them better because they know how to think right. Exactly. They know how to think right. The gay men who are, I guess, on the right,

know how to think right, whereas the straight men don't. So this is pretty wacky, but it's an opportunity to just kind of revisit. Why are there log cabin Republicans in the sense that the Republican Party has been varying from implicitly to completely overtly and violently hostile to the LGBT community? Why would there be gay Republicans? And of course, the answers are not unique to gay folks. Sometimes it's political values, right? You could have gay Republicans that support the Republican Party because they really align with the party on other values. Limited government when that's what the Republican Party stood for. It doesn't under MAGA

individual freedom when it was what the party stood for. It doesn't under MAGA individual freedom when it was what the party stood for. It doesn't under MAGA being strong on national defense. Trump didn't understand anything about national defense. So it could just be that they say, well, I'm at a disagreement with the party on LGBT issues, but I'm really in agreement on these other things. And that's more important. And then you get some log cabin Republicans, personal beliefs. You could have gay Republicans that support the party because they actually believe in the principles that the party represents aside from LGBT. And there are also I mean, I hate to bring up Milo Yiannopoulos, but Milo Yiannopoulos, who used to be gay.

Now he says he's not. It's very complicated. When he was gay, he said, I'm still a Republican because being gay is bad. I'm gay, but I wish I wasn't is sort of what Milo used to say. And it would be better not to be. So I'm still a Republican. It was kind of weird. And then strategic voting to some degree. I mean, if you're a wealthy gay Republican and you find the Republican position on LGBT issues disgusting, but you're going to save a boatload on taxes under Republicans. You might just say, I'm still going to vote for Republicans. And I just disagree about this other

stuff. But it's saving me a whole bunch of money. So that that's another possibility. Carrie Lake, really strange. I guess she likes gay men better than straight men. And she also had one other really wacky thing she said at this event. Carrie Lake. Said while speaking to the log cabin Republicans that Trump is more amazing than her own husband. Have you ever seen someone suck up to this degree? Look at this clip. It's starting to be painful. The degree to which Carrie Lake is, I think, auditioning to be Donald Trump's vice president.

And of course, I want to thank the most amazing man in my life. I know you're thinking I'm going to say my husband. He's the second most amazing man in my life. I want to thank President Donald J. Trump. Wow. Yep. Her husband can be thanked later, but really the most amazing man in her life is Trump. Why is she doing this? Is it career advancement? She wants to be Trump's VP or at least Trump's VP running mate. Even if they lose, maybe it'll get her some attention, sort of like Sarah Palin had for a while after losing as John McCain's VP in 2008. Maybe is it personal gain?

Like she thinks it would help her with something about trying to steal the election in Arizona, which she's trying to do, or maybe it will help her continue to grift money to say stuff like this. My husband is less amazing than Trump. And then, of course, fear based politics might also apply within the Republican Party. Is there fear of reprisal, which is causing Carrie Lake to feel pressure and to continue the show in which she just thanks Trump endlessly for everything. And he's so good and he's so amazing. I don't know what the answer is, but it's starting to get pretty cringy and pretty painful to see, but it doesn't look like it's going to stop anytime soon.

And any opportunity she gets, she will pray at the altar. She's on her knees for Trump. Jesus, I think, is the way we would put it after the break. We'll get to other elements of America Fest. We're going to hear a new analysis from Glenn Kirshner and so many other things. Glad you're with us. Friday, December 23, this Friday, year end membership special. Your first month's payment will be donated to charity that helps people directly with

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This is Glenn Kirchner on the Joy Reid program on MSNBC. Remember, nobody here is saying Trump is going to prison. We're talking about based on the crimes Trump may be charged with. What would the potential sentence be? A referral doesn't mean they're prosecuting. They don't have the power to do that. But would such a referral at least have sort of value even if they can't get get it all the way to closure?

It will have value. You know, the Department of Justice prides itself on exercising independent prosecutorial discretion, but they can't turn a blind eye to a co-equal branch of government that has done such an exhaustive investigation when they pass all of that evidence over to DOJ and they recommend criminal investigations and prosecutions. And here's the thing. It's great that they're talking about obstructing official proceedings. That's a 20-year offense. It's great that they're talking about conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States. That's a five-year offense. But the important one, Joy, is the one you mentioned, insurrection. Why? Because the available sentence

if you're convicted of insurrection, unlike those other charges, is that you shall be prohibited from holding office under the United States. That, quite frankly, is the one I'm rooting for. And of course, it continues to be stunning that not only can Trump run for president, he is running for president, even though the campaign so far has been a complete and total flop. Now, let's be very real about what I know many of you consider to be the most important question here. Do presidents get indicted in the United States? Could a president get indicted? Why has a president never been indicted in the United States? Let's start the conversation with

a reminder that no president has ever done the things Donald Trump did. Put that aside for now, because we want to talk now about historical precedent. To put it in one word, tradition is the reason that presidents have not historically been indicted by the Department of Justice. And what I mean by that is historically out of the principle of executive immunity, which holds the president is not subject to criminal prosecution while serving in office. The DOJ has not pursued charges against a president. And the principle behind that is if you charge a sitting president, you inhibit their ability to do the job of being president of the United States. And if a president worries that what they do might get them indicted while they are president, they might act other than how they believe is in the best interest of the country for fear of a personal prosecution or because of the distraction of a

criminal trial. However, after leaving office, there is nothing that would prevent or preclude a president from being investigated, from being potentially charged with crimes and from being prosecuted. Importantly, you also have impeachment. Impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors is a completely separate process from criminal prosecution and doesn't require any crime to have been committed. Important to understand that the January 6th committee investigation and potential criminal referrals would not be for impeachable offenses because the House could handle that itself. Trump's out of office. He's already been impeached twice. This is about in their investigative carrying out of their investigative role. The House may come across what are apparent crimes and refer those to the Department of

Justice. Tradition is the only reason why historically you have not seen prosecution of a president. Trump is now out of office. We may know within hours whether the House committee says Trump's on the list of people who committed crimes. Here's a criminal referral. We may know within hours or a day or two. And then the question will be, what does the DOJ do under Merrick Garland? Merrick Garland has said things like Trump running for president wouldn't get him out of jail. It's not to get out of jail free card. Fine. But he has not expressed that his DOJ actually has the testicular fortitude, for lack of a better term, to really charge Trump. So we will see and we will find out very, very soon. I told you earlier in the show that America Fest held an event over the weekend and it was horrible

and dystopian. And we are going to look at a few clips. And really, it reminds me these people are dangerous, but they also are way better than the left at organizing these sort of pump up events. I'm going to start with a clip of Donald Trump Jr. coming out. And I know that it's going to be, you know, it's funny. It's cartoonish. It's like a wrestling intro. It's also a little loud, just as a heads up if you're listening in headphones. But I'm turning it down for us. But make fun of this at your own peril, because this type of stuff works.

Here's Donald J. Trump Jr. coming out. There's also pyrotechnics if you're only listening. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm with you that it is hard not to laugh because it's so absurd. But I've spoken so many times before. The right knows how to throw these events, coalesce people. They do multiple CPACs. Turning Point USA does events. They've got America Fest as one of them. They've got the Turning Point Summit, all these different things. This stuff actually does get people engaged.

And part of the reason that the youngest voting group, 18 to whatever, isn't even more left skewed, is that the right does a way better job of activating and getting people together and the pyrotechnics and the music and the entire thing. The left doesn't have it. The closest thing we had at one point was Netroots Nation, which I used to go to, but no longer do. It's very milquetoast. It's very mediocre. A lot of infighting, a lot of like, you know, all the people that actually have success that should be leading sessions. We have political disagreements with them. So we're going to have like it. It's a mess. It's a mess. The right is actually better. So eventually, Don Jr. spoke. And again, he continues to be obsessed, like many of these people obsessed with gender today, pushing for three year old children to be indoctrinated by their purple haired teachers. To go through changing

permanent sexual reassignment surgeries and if parents. And by the way, the little skips, these are in the source videos. I unfortunately can't do anything about them. Parents want to get involved. They're domestic terrorists. If parents want to maybe be a part of that conversation, let's be clear. That kid can't buy a pack of cigarettes for another 15 years. It can't vote, although I want them to, because of course they don't know what they're talking about for another 15 years. But they can.

And we don't know what junior is talking about. And I may not know for another 15 years. Decide to mutilate their bodies permanently to satisfy some insane, woke teacher. Shadisfy. What is the deal with that? OK, obsessed, obsessed with gender, obsessed with imaginary things that aren't actually happening. And the gender obsession continued.

Republican Senator Josh Hawley, a sort of pseudo insurrectionist is the way I would refer to him. He came out and he said, here's an idea, boys. Turn off the porn and go talk to a real woman. Can give yourself to and pour yourself out to young men. Pour yourself out into a woman. Let me make a suggestion to you. Why don't you turn off the computer and log off the porn and go ask a real woman on a date? Right. How about it? Ask her out. Young men, why don't you be the ones who do the asking? How about-

America Fest quickly turning into like a pickup artist type conference instead of a right wing political conference. I guess with this pseudo incel group, it's the same thing, but- Don't wait for her. You go ask, show her a little respect. And then you take her out and you treat her right. How about that? Don't make her cater to your whims. Right. Treat her right.

Treat her right. Treat her like what she is. Isn't this like a weird thing for a political event? A woman, a person of incredible significance created in the image of God. And you know what? You treat her right. And then one day you do her the honor and show her the respect of asking her to marry you. Yeah. And then you go get married. Dating advice with Josh Hawley, America Fest taking a very weird turn.

There were like incel vibes around the entire thing. Then out came Dennis Prager and he said sex is terrific. OK, thanks, Dennis. The greatest need in life after food and shelter is meaning. It is even sex and sex is terrific. Just for the record. There were good blacks and bad blacks. Did you guys know that there are good blacks and bad blacks? There are bad lesbians. There are good women and bad women. There are good men and bad men. There are good whites and bad whites. We don't give a damn about whether you're white. We don't give a damn whether you're black. Just like you brush away your bad breath and you shower away your bad odor, you should brush away your bad mood. You owe it to everyone in your life. Men can be lesbians. Are you out of your minds? Yes, they are. We are living in the age of chaos and you the greatest. All right. So there's Dennis Prager. Very, very messed up video. It's it's just weird because so much of the stuff they talk about is meaningless.

Like it helps no one achieve anything or solve any problem. It's totally disconnected from the real world. And then a guy named Benny Johnson got a standing ovation for yelling Fauci for prison. This is the this is the level of what they have going on, solving the real problems of the world, as you can see. Ladies and gentlemen, my pronouns are prosecute. Oh, my goodness. That's America Fest. So if you were hoping to learn what is their legislative agenda for these two years that they will be controlling the House, you didn't get it. If you were hoping

to figure out what is the moral framework within which they believe government should. I can't even say it seriously. Government should operate. You didn't get that. You got fire Fauci, jail Fauci, prosecute Fauci, Fauci retire. And you got my pronouns are I won and my pronouns are prosecute Fauci. That's basically America fest. That's what we got. But these events bring people together. They do them for a reason. They do them for a reason and the left should figure it out. We have a voicemail number. That number is two one nine two. David P. Here's my favorite thing. And honestly, it's not my favorite thing. Here's someone who called in with some kind of a message to me. than the show.

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