The David Pakman Show - 1/5/24: Jobs over-perform again, a MAGA guy tries confronting me

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

-- On the Show: -- New jobs numbers once again overperform expectations in December 2023 -- Donald Trump has an absolutely deranged and furious explosion on Truth Social, much of it related to E. Jean Carroll -- Caller asks about Mike Lindell's employees at MyPillow -- Caller points out credit card debt as a sign that the economy isn't so good -- Caller is voting for Joe Biden because of harm reduction -- Caller wants to have some barrier on the southern border -- Caller discusses Project 2025 -- Caller asks if we give guests questions ahead of time -- Caller supports Trump but can't defend his record -- The Friday Feedback segment -- On the Bonus Show: Twitter/X valuation down 71.5% since Elon Musk takeover, Trump took millions from Chinese government while president, and much more... 🌱 Ounce of Hope: Get a THC Seltzer for just $5 at https://ounceofhope.com ☕ Trade Coffee: Get a FREE bag of coffee at https://drinktrade.com/pakman 💻 Stay protected! Try our sponsor Aura FREE for 2 weeks at https://aura.com/pakman 🛡️ Incogni lets you control your personal data! Get 60% off their annual plan: http://incogni.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

Well, we have yet another jobs report that has surpassed expectations. This time we are talking about the December of 2023 numbers. CNBC reports private payrolls added one hundred and sixty four thousand new jobs in December, beating expectations per ADP. You may recall that the number of new jobs in November was one hundred and one thousand, so about 60 percent more. And the estimate the expectation for December was one hundred and thirty thousand, so about thirty four thousand more jobs than expected.

Leisure and hospitality jobs led the way with 59,000 jobs. We also saw the pace of earnings growth decelerate with those staying in their jobs, seeing annual pay increases of 5.4%. It is natural that as inflation comes down, wage growth would also tick down slightly. This is continued good news. And we have an economy that is not perfect. Is there a perfect economy? Not that I can think of, but we have an economy that much like Tim Miller told us on yesterday's program, it's good enough that you would usually see a president get reelected. However, and this is really the downside. This is the liability. This is the limitation. And Tim Miller talked to us

about this yesterday. The Biden administration is not doing the best job at communicating the status of the economy. The Biden administration is in a fortunate position where they don't have to exaggerate how well the economy is doing. They just have to communicate it accurately. I don't think they're doing it. Part of it is because Republicans, no matter what the numbers are, insist the economy is terrible. Trump's predicting there will be a recession once again or the stock market will crash.

He predicted that in 2020 we've got a record high stock market. So this is a good number. It's one of the five or six different metrics that we look at. Job creation, inflation, unemployment rate, GDP, stock market, consumer confidence, wage growth. These are these are some of the big indicators. They all look pretty good. Pretty good. We'd love to reduce inequality, accelerate wage growth, see inflation tick down a little bit more. All of these different things. But another good number and the real question and what I'm going to be watching for now that the twenty twenty four. I mean, I know that we're we are not in the general election yet, certainly aren't, but we are getting close. And one of the most important

aspects of this that I'll be paying very close attention to is does the Biden administration get better at effectively and convincingly communicating the state of this economy? Donald Trump went on an outrageous, deranged, furious rant on his platform, Truth Social, posting uncontrollably, almost reflexively, including posting things that E. Jean Carroll tweeted 10 years ago, apparently as some kind of defense of the things that he was found civilly liable of doing to her. This is crazy. Just look at what we're dealing with. This is the former president of the United States. Get smart, Republicans. The invasion through our southern border is for purposes of voting in the 2020 election. They are signing people up would be the end of America. The 2020 election was years ago. I assume he means 2024. Trump continuing to push the lie

that Democrats want to fill the country with undocumented immigrants so that they will vote for Biden in 24. Of course, undocumented immigrants aren't allowed to vote. If you are a documented immigrant and you get residency and eventually citizenship seven years down the line, you could get to vote. It is a very stupid way of trying to win an election that's 10 months away. Trump posting polls that are favorable to him. Trump posting videos of the woman that he was found civilly liable for raping. E. Jean Carroll, Trump reposting messages she tweeted or posted to Facebook decades ago about TV shows that she watches.

Donald Trump posting satirical sex tips that E. Jean Carroll posted videos and links and articles about sluts and dominating men. And I have to tell you, there is something really ugly in this. Donald Trump was found civilly liable for sexually assaulting, raping and defaming E. Jean Carroll. And he is now mass posting to social media message after message of things she said meant to suggest what that he didn't really do it, that someone who posts these sorts of things is responsible for what Trump did. What is it exactly that he's trying to say? And one could argue that these

posts about penises and sexual advances and chastity belts, one could argue that by doing this, he's bullying, intimidating her and arguably is doing exactly the thing for which he was found civilly liable, continuing to just post after post after post from E. Jean Carroll. He then also starts posting articles written in two newspapers about E. Jean Carroll quotes from Vanity Fair. This is a concerted effort to intimidate and arguably to defame her. This is all in the same hour, folks. Everything I've showed you is in the same hour. Trump starts posting articles about Eugene Carroll's creepy

Facebook fantasies. He posts articles from the conspiracy site The Gateway Pundit about whether about how supposedly E. Jean Carroll admitted to sexually harassing the late Fox News executive Roger Ailes. Many articles from The Gateway Pundit, from Breitbart, another right wing propaganda site from the right wing Washington Examiner. This is still all in the same hour, all in the same hour. He then is posting furiously about Hunter Biden's laptop, including sort of articles that have pieces of completely explicit pictures of Hunter Biden. He's posting more agit trash that he claims is

evidence that he won in 2020. We are all in the same one hour period. Everything I've shown you so far was posted in the same hour. This is a terrified man. This is a guy who realizes in a year I might be president of the United States or I might be rotting in prison for the rest of my life. Very few people have those as possible, likely or even probable outcomes. Twelve months hence. I know that I mean, listen, I legally can't be president. And at least for now, there are no charges against me which could land me in jail, in prison for the rest of my life. I can only imagine that that is extremely triggering and frightening. So I get why Donald Trump is behaving in this way. But does he really need

to continue going after E. Jean Carroll? Legal experts say that he may actually be committing more defamation through the through posting these articles. I will let the legal experts weigh in. This is an unwell man. And after the break, this is going to be interesting. I'm going to hear from some of his supporters. We're going to speak to some of Trump supporters after the break. So many people in our audience have become fans of our sponsor, Ounce of Hope. Ounce of Hope is a cannabis farm that ships CBD and psychoactive THC products to your door anywhere in the US. This is federally legal. THC, a THC Delta eight and nine. They have

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you get a hundred percent of the benefits, the bonus show, commercial free audio and video feed of the show access to the members only soundboard, all of that stuff you get. All right. Let's hear from the audience for the first time in twenty twenty four. We do these on the Friday show. Sometimes it goes well, sometimes it doesn't. Some people love it. Some people hate it. That's just the way it is. We do it via discord. You can find our discord at David Pakman dot com slash discord. Let's go to Douglas in Chicago. Douglas in Chicago. Welcome to The David Pakman Show. Please save us here. Everything OK there? Yes, I can. All right. Happy New Year, David. Thank you. Likewise. All right. So first time on, I'm really excited.

And I've got two questions. I've got a fun question and a serious question. So which would you like first? Oh, I don't know. How about the serious one first? Okay. Serious question. What are the things you typically read to get prepared for the show? I don't mean video. I don't mean podcast read. And how do you read it? Do you read hard copy or are you all about the tablet or iPad at this point? No, I'm not. I mean, here's the thing to prepare for the show. It's not like I'm pulling out books or anything like that. It's all stuff that's online. And I'm not going to just start printing stuff from the Internet to then prepare for the show. It seems very wasteful from the standpoint of environmental. So I'm reading it all on a screen

and it really depends on the subject matter. You know, if we're talking about something related to abortion, then I'm going to find different sources about legal filings related to it or previous reporting on the issue. It really just depends on the on the subject matter. But I am. But it's all reading. It's not like I'm watching other YouTube videos to prepare for my show. Speaker 1 OK. Yeah.

The reason why I ask is I've been interested for a while now in whether we absorb things better when it's hard copy as opposed to off the screen. Mm hmm. That very well may be. But for for show prep, you know, it just doesn't make sense to print stuff off. OK, do I have time for the fun question? Yeah, go ahead. OK, since you are such a student of Mike Lindell.

One thing that never gets asked about is what is it actually like to work there? Who is running the ship while Lindell is doing all of his non pillow stuff? And what I'm guessing he I have no insight. I'm guessing he has some right hand person who is kind of like the the second in command of sorts who has to sit there and make pillows and slippers while he's off, you know, at a cyber symposium or whatever he calls it. I would I would love to get like a former pillow employee. That would be great if the NDAs aren't so tight. If anybody is free to speak legally who has formerly worked for pillow or even currently,

please get in touch. I think Douglas's idea is very good. All right. Thanks a lot. Have a great 24. All right. You too. There is Douglas in Chicago. Why don't we go next to, uh, is it Nathan from Sacramento? I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. Hello. Hello. Um, I was concerned about like, you have a very positive outlook on the economy. It feels like. Right. Well, right now, most of the leading indicators point to things being pretty stable. Yeah.

One thing I'm concerned about is a lot of Americans are putting on a lot of debt. If you look at like credit card default and like the amount that Americans are borrowing on credit cards, it just feels like unstable and like this. I haven't looked at. So are you talking about the delinquency rate on credit cards? Like in other words, people are. Yeah, it's up. It's certainly up. But here's the thing. It what what happened is credit cards. So this for people who want to look up this metric, it's called delinquency rate on credit card loans. All banks. The Fed keeps track of this.

The level is actually basically where it's been since 2012. The reason it looks high is when covid hit and people were staying home, savings rates went up dramatically. And this I mean, this is a good thing. It allowed a lot of people to get out of debt. And now that people are spending again, they're traveling, et cetera. Credit card delinquency rates have started to go up because you're absolutely right. People are taking on more debt on the credit card. I think credit card debt is to be avoided. But if we're really honest, the level at which we find ourselves, which is just under three percent, if you go all the way back to 2011, we've basically been between two and three percent other than this period of covid when

it dropped to one and a half percent. So the numbers really aren't that crazy. And also at the start, like very, very early in the 2008 recession, credit card delinquency was already above 4%. We're still not anywhere near that. So what I would say is you're right that the number is increasing. It's basically back to where it's been for the last 12 years. If it gets to four or 5%, I'm going to start being concerned. That makes a lot of sense.

And then further, are you worried about like the proliferation and rise of these like credit card alternatives like buy now, pay later, like Klarna and now Apple is doing it like this kind of alternative and then they hit you with fees? Is this like a bad sign or is it just fine? You know, I don't know enough about them, to be totally honest. I don't know if these are so are they like zero interest, but then you get hit with fees if you miss a minimum payment or how do they work? I think that's my understanding.

It's like they don't do a credit. They don't like hit your credit score or like a check. But if you may still hit you with massive fees. OK, yeah, I don't know enough. I don't know enough about them to say there is a bunch of specific things I'd need to know to weigh in. But I'm naturally skeptical of all of these things. All right.

All right. Thank you, David. All right. Nathan from Sacramento with a great question. Let's go to Connor from New Jersey, who's a Republican. Connor from New Jersey. Welcome to The David Pakman Show. What's on your mind today?

Speaker 5 Hey, David, I'm not really a Republican, but I am voting, Christie, in the primaries. So that's why I put it where he said don't use that. Don't put undecided if you're actually going to be voting for somebody. Speaker 1 All right, I'll allow it. It sounds a little shaky, but I'll allow it this time. Speaker 5 Yeah. So I want to ask you about something. Speaker 1 Yeah, please.

Speaker 5 With Christie saying recently to a younger supporter that he's evolved his stance on gay marriage, right? Yep. Saying that he used to be against it, but now as times have changed, he believes it was a generational stance. And now he sees that the more appropriate younger take is to support gay marriage. Correct. more appropriate younger take is to support gay marriage. Do you think someone like Christie, if you were president, could actually. Revitalize the Republican Party, I guess you could call it and like make them have more modern takes than their their old fashioned. It's sort of a chicken egg. Take a leader like that. It's a it's a chicken egg thing, Connor. It's a chicken egg thing in the sense that for Christie to get elected,

the Republican Party would have to moderate and get away from MAGA. If Christie were elected, then I believe he would moderate the Republican Party from where it was during MAGA. But there's no way he would get elected unless the party already did that. So it becomes a little bit circular, you know. I mean, I think it's already shaping up that Trump's not going to make it for the primary election at this point. That's just my opinion. Why? Why do you say that? He's got 63 percent of the vote just with the legal issues. But that's but so speaking super practically, Connor, what exactly? OK, he has legal issues. Great. They do the Iowa caucuses in 10 days. Trump wins. OK, he's got legal issues,

but he won the first one. Then they go to I guess it's New Hampshire. Trump wins. OK, so he's got legal legal issues, but now he won. Like literally what will happen? OK, but if he ends up charged with or at least what would you say? Convicted guilty of insurrection, convicted, found guilty of insurrection. Right. He can't be president at that point. He can't hold public office. So then what happens? It's not clear that that's the case. Legal experts are not are not united on that.

In fact, the more I'm reading, I feel like the the the uncertainty of it should already be pushing Republican voters away at this point, whether I agree with you. I agree with you. But these are not reasonable. And I mean, again, I'm not fully against Biden in office. I prefer Christie. But if you really don't want Biden in office, why the hell are you voting for Trump when you don't have a guarantee he could even be in office at this point? I charges are trumped up or not. You really don't have a guarantee he will even be in office. I'm with you,

but I'm not the person you got to waste any more of your time. Thanks for talking to me about it. All right. Conor from New Jersey, who seemed unable to hear me half the time. Let's continue. We're going next to Chris from Texas. Chris, welcome to the program. What's on your mind? Speaker 6 David. Hi.

Hi. How are you? Speaker 1 Can you hear me? Yes. Speaker 6 All right. So I guess my thing is I'm I'm going to vote for Biden in the primaries. I just need to probably change my registration for Texas right now. But OK, I feel like I'm not to vote for Biden in the primaries. I just need to probably change my registration for Texas right now. But OK, I feel like I'm not really that happy voting for Biden. I mean,

I'm only going to do it for harm reduction purposes. OK. Like, sounds good. I mean, it sounds like the right thing to do. What sounds like the right thing to do? Yeah. I mean, Trump is just so Trump is just so insane that I just have to vote for Biden just for harm reduction purposes, just because of all of the indictments he has and all of the insurrection, the insurrection as well. But I feel like Biden, although the economy is doing well, it hasn't really met to my standard. Like we still have a lot of student loan debt and like a lot of our civil rights are being taken away. A lot of our what civil rights, you said, like like Roe versus Wade. And I'm also kind of worried about the Supreme Court being stacked

right now. Well, hold on a second. So, Chris, here's the thing. If you don't like the fact that the Supreme Court undid Roe v. Wade, you should be voting for Biden because if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, we would still have Roe v. Wade. you should be voting for Biden, because if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, we would still have Roe v. Wade. You get that right. It's because of Trump's choices on the Supreme Court that we don't have Roe v. Wade. Yeah. But also, couldn't it be a factor in Democrats and not like like doing certain things like Ruth Bader Ginsburg not retiring when when Democrats had the majority in Congress and like during Obama's time. Yeah, no, you could you could argue that that would that would make it a smaller conservative majority, which still probably would have gotten rid of Roe v. Wade. But let me ask you this,

Chris, who's your ideal candidate? Who would you love to vote for, whether they're running or not? Probably either Bernie or John Fetterman at this point, but I mean, I still have apprehensions towards Fetterman as well. OK, those are your top two in electeds right now, Bernie and Fetterman. Speaker 4 Yes. I mean, Biden's I mean, I'm only voting for Biden just because of harm reduction purposes. And I kind of feel like the other primary candidates are a joke, like like it kind of feels funny that Jake is trying to run when he knows he can't win. It feels like a grift. Speaker 1 Well, it's not that he can't win. It's that he's legally not eligible to be president, which is kind of worse, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I meant, actually. Yeah, because he was born in Turkey. Right. All right. Well, listen, Chris, harm reduction is a reasonable reason to vote Biden over Trump. So I'm with you. OK.

Yeah. And then I guess what how is Biden also going to handle like student loan crisis as well? Well, remember, Biden has forgiven more student loan debt than any president in history. I'm curious. Did you know that? Yeah, I've heard I've heard of that. I mean, I know there's a lot of people with disabilities that he forgave their student loan debt as well. Yeah. And even beyond that, people at schools that were considered for profit predatory. I mean, listen, Chris, we all want Biden to do more. But on student loans, there's no president who's done more on student loans than Biden. It's just sort of the reality. All right. Looking forward to speaking to you again.

Let's take the quickest of quick breaks and then we'll be right back and talk to more people who are holding on. Stand by. You might remember that a few years ago, the show got hacked and a bunch of money was stolen and we never got it back. But I now have more peace of mind because I'm using aura. Our sponsor aura is your all in one tool for protecting your online and financial accounts. Aura alerts you any time your personal information is found on the dark web or data breaches like social security number, login credentials, financial accounts, and you get super fast alerts if a criminal does something like try to open a bank account in your name or take

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me today? Speaker 4 Hey, David. Speaker 1 Hey. Speaker 4 Hey, David. Speaker 1 Hey. Speaker 4 Can you hear me? Speaker 1 Yeah. Speaker 4 I can hear you, Clarence.

What's going on? Speaker 3 Hey, sorry. Can you hear me? Speaker 1 Yes, I can hear you just fine, sir. Speaker 2 Oh, OK. Can I ask you something? Three questions. Speaker 1 Well, let's start with one.

You might know it is. Speaker 2 Would you like to invite Peter Zaihan to your show? Peter Zaihan. I don't know who that is. The geopolitics. OK, Peter Zaihan is an author on geopolitics. I'd have to look into him more, but maybe I don't know. I'm not familiar with him. Speaker 1 Okay. The second question is, I'm going to ask, you know, I talk about Ukraine, right? Yes. Speaker 1 The only way to, you know, to get this Ukraine military aid is to just vote the Republicans out in 2024 from the House of Representatives. Yeah, they should be voted out.

Absolutely. And Biden, I mean, like, I mean, as in, like, those swing states, those swing districts, those purple districts. I mean, like, get the Democrats majority and the Republic, sorry, get the Democrats majority in the Senate and the House of Representatives. Yes, I agree with you completely. For it to pass the Ukraine military aid easily than than right now. Currently. I agree with you 100 percent. OK, bye.

And also, the border, like, you know, like the Republicans a ditch and a trench and a dragon teeth, concrete barrier, practical to slow the, you know, growing refugees. You know, I heard that, I heard that, you know, Russia is trying to flood, you know, trying to flood those illegal immigrants from Russia to Finland and Poland, Belarus as well. They're doing it in the same in the U.S.-Mexican border from Central America, especially Nicaragua and Mexico. You're saying you want to dig ditches or you want to fill tunnels? What do you want to do? No, no, no. Like build a barrier to slow them down, you know, to slow the flow of immigrants. Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what Republicans want to do. They want to build a wall also. I don't think it'll work. Speaker 4

Oh yeah. Speaker 1 Clarence, listen, you've asked so many questions and I have so many people waiting that I am going to move on. But it is always exciting to hear from you. And I hope things are really good in Singapore. Let's go next to Steve from Seattle. Steve from Seattle. Welcome to the program.

What's on your mind today, sir? David, it's great to be with you. Likewise. You know, watching your your stuff here on the Project 2025, it's pretty scary. Absolutely. Have you been on to the project2025.com website? I have the questionnaire that there's no, I guess the template of the recruitment of who they're looking for. No, I have not seen that. Um, you can definitely submit your

application. This seems pretty nuts. It is. And I would just kind of recommend that, you know, folks take a good hard look at that. It's something that, you know, I'm kind of a fence sitter right now. I'm waiting to see who actually, I guess, gets nominated and what happens here in the next few months. And that's that's the one thing I think that really more than anything else that America needs to be and the whole world is really concerned about. Speaker 1 But explain to me, Steve, what you mean that you're a fence sitter and you want to see who the nominees are. Who are you thinking of voting for? Who might you vote for? Speaker 3 You know, more than likely, more likely it'll be Mr. Biden.

OK, definitely, definitely not Trump. But, you know, there's still rumors going around that Michelle Obama might jump into the race. You know, Michelle Obama has said unequivocally she will not run. Yes, indeed. Of course, that would be Mike Obama. According to Fox News, you know how they do it over there with the the taunting and the. The twisting of the stories. Speaker 1 OK, yeah, so but so it sounds like if it sounds like you'll vote Biden, but if someone replaces Biden, you might vote for that person. Speaker 5 I would prefer somebody else, maybe a little younger, a little more progressive got in there, but I know I'm here. I mean, see, I've I've actually written in Ross Perot every every chance I've gotten.

So hmm. Well I guess voting in Washington, it wouldn't make a big difference. Not much. You know, my friends up in northern Idaho, they're a little different with with that being so red at 72 to 73 percent. Right. You know that that vote almost is a wash as well. So which is where we'll listen, Steve.

Let's do let's actually go next to to Idaho. I really appreciate your call. We're going to go next to straws in Idaho. Since it was mentioned, I feel like I should go there. Straws, what's on your mind in Idaho today? Hey, David, how's it going? It's going well. I was just thinking about the, you know, this unitary executive stuff that they're talking about with like the Project 25. Yes. But but OK.

And then in the Supreme Court, if the Supreme Court lets them kind of get away with this, wouldn't that diminish their power like the Supreme Court? Wouldn kind of get away with this, wouldn't that diminish their power like the Supreme Court? Wouldn't they? They won't need the Supreme Court anymore. And so let's explain what you're talking about, Strauss. Let's explain what you're talking about. OK, so unitary executive theory is the idea that the president can control the entire

executive branch. And it comes from article to an interpretation of Article two. It's this whole idea that says the president controls executive functions. There's limited checks and balances. They say they have a historical basis for it. It's very much not accepted in any serious way, but it does align with the kind of autocratic ideas of Trump. Listen, here's the thing. There's all these hypotheticals, right? If Trump takes over and

he's a one day dictator and he does this or he does that, or if Trump tries to steal a stay in office again, or if Trump gets in any hot fires, 50 percent of the federal workers and replaces them with loyalists, or if Trump gets in and they execute unitary executive theory. We need to be concerned. So sometimes I think we miss the forest for the trees. Everything you're saying is a concern. But the big picture of all of it points back to the exact same thing. Trump's a danger to democracy and must be defeated. I don't necessarily know that we convince more people by going narrow and saying they want to push unitary executive theory to Project 2025. Yes, that that's absolutely true. But the big picture is these people are anti-democracy. They're authoritarian, want to be dictators, and we must prevent Trump from getting into

the Oval Office. That's the big picture. We don't want to lose sight of that. The way I was thinking is just like they would they wouldn't the Supreme Court like they want to maintain their power like wouldn't they? I don't know if they would want to allow so much of not only the unitary executive thing, but all of these things, like if they let them keep doing this, they won't need a Supreme Court anymore. Right. You're I think what you're saying is, why would the Supreme Court reinforce these autocratic ideas? Because they put themselves out of jobs. Essentially, it sounds like what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean,

it's a fair point. I just think, again, the bigger picture is where we where we should be focusing. I don't know how Supreme Court justices will the Supreme Court justice. The Supreme Court is not going to make itself irrelevant in the next presidential term, no matter what happens. So so I don't think that that's really where I would focus. Yeah. OK. I was just thinking about it, but I appreciate you taking my call. All right. Straws from Idaho. Great to hear from you. Thank you very much. Let's go to Rodney from St. Louis. Rodney, welcome to the program. What's on your mind today? Rodney from St. Louis, welcome to the show. Please accept my invitation.

And last chance for Rodney from St. Louis. No go. That is truly a shame. Let's go to Jack from Warsaw. I believe it is Jack from Warsaw. Poland. Hello. Well, yes, I can. Hi, David. Also, also sorry for my English and my rugged voice. You're doing great. Right. So the thing I wanted to bring into your attention is something I noticed about the entirety of left-leaning media in the U.S. I'm an outside observer. Just an outside perspective here. which is when you try to make a point that Trump is a danger to democracy, you bring out those soundbites where he said that he's going to, you know, stop. I can't remember exactly what it says, like suspend the constitution or that he wants to be a dictator for a day.

Now, for your side, for people who are already against Trump, this sounds like good enough reason. For Republicans are not going to buy it. And many undecided, I think, are also not going to buy it because they kind of, they're, how do I call it? They are okay with giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that maybe he was just joking. And the point that I want to make is that there is, I think, a much better way to make the case that Trump is a danger to democracy. Tell me. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me what that is.

OK. Yeah. Sorry. And I think the perspective should be, hey, look at what Trump is saying that the left, quote unquote, or Biden, quote unquote, or the Democrats, quote unquote, are doing to him. He is saying that they are politically persecuting him. He's saying that they're destroying democracy. All of those things that he is saying that the left is doing to

him. And he also makes a point that he's going to do the same, that he feels justified in doing the same to the left. And I believe this is much clearer indication of what kind of danger to democracy he is. He is basically twisting the entire reality into a vision of like, you know, being Navalny oppressed by Putin. And then he's saying that when I'm going to be Putin, I'm going to do the same that Putin did to me. Speaker 1 I understand the point you're making, Jack. You know, for me, it's really an all of the above. I mean, listen, it is absolutely the case that Trump is already pre justifying some of the things that he will try to do by saying they're doing it to me. So it would be fair for me to do it to them. Trump is also threatening to target

media outlets that he doesn't like, which is an absolute Democratic nightmare. Trump is also saying that he is going to deploy the Justice Department against his political opponents. Trump is also saying I will be dictator for a day. Trump is also playing coy with all of the global dictators that he likes while criticizing allies. I don't see. Here's the thing. I don't think, Jack, that there's the one thing that will really change people's minds. First of all, a huge swath of people aren't going to have their minds changed no matter what is said to them. So they're unreachable. So for a lot of these people, it's like there's no one thing. There's no 10 things with all of this other stuff. We never know in advance what is the most

effective thing that if people knew they would then change their mind. So we need to take an all of the above approach. I think what you're pointing out makes a lot of sense. And I think I think some of the other things make a lot of sense. So I would take an all of the above approach for sure. And that's perfectly fine. And I wish the left leaning media would take the all of the above approach, as you say. But what I hear as I'm listening to these debates and and and all the stuff that

that appears on YouTube basically is that there is this strong focus on those dictator for a day, dictator for a day. And remember, part of that is part of that focus is because he said that more recently. You know, now we're already moving on to other things. I don't share the concerns you have, I think, is where I'm coming down. OK, OK. I wish it would be revisited to make a list of all the things that Trump said he's going to do because they're doing to him and demolish his claim that these things are being done to him. Just to remind maybe people who just started following left leaning media recently that no, in fact, what Trump is saying that is being done to him is BS. And and what he threatens back is actually dangerous.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, point taken, Jack from Warsaw, Poland. Great to hear from you. Let's go next to Brianna from Tennessee. Brianna, welcome to The David Pakman Show. What's on your mind today? Brianna from Tennessee, please accept my invitation and then we'll all be able to hear from you and it'll be a great thing. Hi, David. Yes. Oh, great. Awesome. I'm so glad to speak to you. I have a thanks. I have a technical question. When you have you're interviewing people. Yes. Do do you give them the questions before the interview? Absolutely not. You don't. We've never done that. We've only had two or three guests ask for that. And we just say no. And, you know, we say, listen, the truth is, the questions aren't really

generated. First of all, the questions. I have a list of notes and then some possible questions. I'm never asking the questions the way we have them written anyway. And number two, we don't really generate that until the day of. Before that, we just have research. So it's not even really something we're able to do. We just generally say, hey, listen, here's the three general areas we're going to talk about, but we're no giving questions in advance. No way. Speaker 1 OK, that was my question, and I just I also wanted to say real quick that I really appreciate your show because you offer the same respect to everybody that you speak to. It doesn't matter if they're famous or they're just random like me calling in. So I really appreciate that.

Well, thank you so much, Brianna. Really great to talk to you. You too, David. Take care. All right. There goes Brianna in Tennessee. Why don't we speak next to Brian from Massachusetts? Brian from Massachusetts. Welcome to the program. What's on your mind today? Hey, David, I really appreciate it, man. I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to speak with you. Listen, I love hearing from you on the show because I love hearing different talking points from people that I disagree with. OK, I apologize that English is my second language. So forgive me. No need to apologize. Thank you, David.

Now, a few things that I do want to mention that I completely disagree with you is that I didn't vote for Trump on 2016. Now, seeing the things that he got done during his presidency, I was impressed. But something I kept hearing you say is that, oh, Trump, what did he accomplish? What did he accomplish? When I should say the opposite, what didn't he accomplish? The only things that for me he didn't accomplish that he said from day one that he wanted to accomplish was finish the border wall, have Mexico pay for it, and obviously the Obamacare,

which I love, by the way. I'm a big supporter of Obama. Hold on a second, Brian. Hold on a second. Let's let's slow it down a little bit in terms of things he promised, promised but didn't accomplish. There is indeed the border wall that Mexico was going to pay for. There is indeed replacing Obamacare with a big, beautiful plan. There is resolving the Israeli-Palestinian

conflict. There is fixing trade. You know, there's we could go further. But let me let me ask you in a different world. Brian, hold on. Let me ask you in a different way. What did he do that? You use the word impressed. What did he do that impressed you? Absolutely. So for instance, from the day one, he said that he wanted a Muslim ban. He got it done, even though they couldn't call it a Muslim ban because that's a discrimination against a religion. OK, let's stop there. Now this is the way we analyze these things.

You were impressed by the Muslim ban. OK, well, it was an enterprise. I just say I just say that I'm not saying that I supported this decision. I'm just saying that he ran. But hold on a second, Brian. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We've got it. We really need to understand what you're saying.

You first told me you were impressed by the things Trump accomplished. I asked for an exam. But Brian, you we this is the problem. We can't go 100 different directions. OK, let's just evaluate what you're saying. You said I was impressed by the things Trump accomplished. I said, great. Give Brian. Hold on. I said, great. Give me an example. You said the Muslim ban. Great. Now I'm asking you what impressed you about him doing that? I everyone said that he could get get it done. And I'm not saying and forgive me, I get English is my second language.

I decide things that I may not support. But the way that I was impressed is that this that he said from day one that he was going to get done, he actually accomplished it, even though he received a lot of pushback. Like me, honestly, I didn't I wasn't a supporter of that. You know, I was happy with the. Is there anything Trump accomplished that impressed you that you were a supporter of? I will have to look inside the details, for instance, on NAFTA. He renegotiated NAFTA.

He said he we were being taken advantage of. Yeah. And he did it. He got it done. He also said now hold on a taken advantage of. Yeah. And he did it. He got it done. He also said, now hold on a second, Brian. Brian, hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

He did not renegotiate NAFTA. He created something different, a different trade agreement. Now what did you like better about the new trade agreement as compared to NAFTA? What was better about it that you liked? What what I'm saying, Peg, man, for my apologies is that these are things that he ran on when during his campaign and these are things that he he managed to get done. So these are things that he was honest about, you know, because some politicians were as they get in power, they forget what the promises are. Like, for instance, Biden, I'm a change the topic a little bit around.

He said that he was to cancel student loan debt, a student loan. However, they had the House majority and the Senate majority. How come they didn't introduce a bill when they hold on a second majority? Hold on a second. Let's explore that. Did Joe Biden ever say he wanted to cancel all student debt? Just a yes or no. I well, I would I would simply first ask.

I do not support that move, by the way. I'm not asking you that question. All I'm asking is, did Joe Biden ever say he wanted to cancel all student loan debt? He did promise to cancel student loan. I did not. I'm not sure. He did not. He never promised to cancel all student loan debt.

Now second question, which president promised to cancel? He promised to cancel. No, he promised to cancel some. OK. OK. Second question, Brian, of all the presidents in the history of the United States, which president canceled the most student loan debt of all the president? I was here with you mentioned that Joe Biden has canceled more student loan than any other

president. So he never made the promise you said he made. And he has canceled more student loan debt than any other president. So to me, that sounds like a pretty good accomplishment on that, right? Speaker 4 Not really, because now they're trying to blame Republicans, because if you ask anyone, I believe in your audience. Oh, why didn't I?

Why is Joe Biden? Because I'm sure if you ask Joe Biden, he wants to cancel more student loan. He does. He does. He's always bragging. He's always bragging on how how much he has forgiven. But why? Why? In the first place, he could make that into law without any pushback when they had the House majority and the Senate majority. Do you want to know the answer? You only need it. OK, I mean, I don't know if you know the answer 100 percent for this. I think that they're just using it as talking points because now they can blame Republicans. Well, hold on a second. Hold on. That's we're not blaming Republicans. You know, we're not we're not playing with Republicans. The reason why

that's what I believe. Well, but you believe I haven't even given you the answer and you say I'm already blaming Republicans. I say one day didn't introduce a bill. That's what I believe. I didn't. I'm about to give you the answer. Do you want me to give you the answer?

Go ahead. The legal analysis is that Congress does not have the power to simply vote to eliminate all student loan debt. That's the answer. But you just said they didn't want to cancel all student loans, so maybe they would introduce a bill that would say, OK, we're going to pay for 50 percent or 20 percent. However, no, but this is Brian. This is what you know. Now you're mixing two different things. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Your your first question. You know what, Brian? We're out of time. We're going to move on. But I really appreciate you calling in. I appreciate you, David. Thank you very much for allowing me

to have a little glance to speak to you. I really appreciate it. Brian from Massachusetts. I'm realizing we're five minutes over and I'm exhausted. So I apologize to the audience that I'm not going to go further with it, but a very interesting insight nonetheless. All right, everybody, let's take a break. We'll be back in a couple of minutes. We'll take more live calls next week. Did you know that anyone in the world can very easily access a ton of data about you online?

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Zachy says, I really enjoyed Britney pages guest host. I thought Britney Page did a fantastic job as guest host. Reasoned level headed delivery is exactly why I listened to The David Pakman Show and Britney nailed it. Also her dry humor is reminiscent of David. Would love to see your guest host again in the future. Yeah, no hate to Farron Cousins or Jesse Dollimore. But usually when we hear about guest hosts, the ratio of I hated them rather than I like them is like four to one with Brittany Page.

It was like four to one. People like Brittany Page. So I thought everybody did great. There were great stories for everybody to cover. And sometimes also it's about fit. You know, there are stories that are more up the alley of certain hosts, like there's certain stories that when I do them that nobody cares. But when someone else does them, it's just like a better fit. This is just something that kind of happens in this business. And I thought everybody

got stories just by virtue of the chance of the news cycle that were really good. And I thought it was absolutely fantastic. Great job by Britney and Jesse and Farron. And it's it's it's a great, great thing. Let's go now to some critiques. OK, John Scott says David won't tell you about Joe Biden's corruption. He can't handle it. Listen, I've been looking everywhere for this corruption. I've been looking for evidence that Joe Biden received money from China. I couldn't find it. I've been looking for evidence that Joe Biden made a policy change that was in order to benefit someone that had paid his son, Hunter Biden. I couldn't find it. But it's not just me. When Republicans are asked, when James Comer is

asked, when Nancy Mace is asked, when Jim Jordan is asked, when they are all asked, OK, right. Criminal bribery. It's crazy. It's terrible. It's embarrassing. Give me an example of that. They go, well, we we're looking for the examples. That's why we need to impeach the guy. We've got to figure out where it is. They don't have anything. And so I will tell you about Joe Biden's corruption as soon as I find some evidence of Joe Biden's corruption. If you're listening to this show, you'll be the first to know about the corruption, because I'll tell you. A Gabriel Gurley wrote in God sends all kinds of men to complete his missions. Trump is one of those. This I find funny because. The idea that so, you know, listen, it's up to you to figure

I'm not going to be able to convince you one way or the other whether God is choosing political candidates in the United States. Right. God, all power, all seeing everything involved in the ever expanding universe, every planet, every star controls everything and is getting involved in who's the Republican nominee in one country on one planet. I mean, it's hard to believe. But if you believe that, you believe that if that is the level of involvement that God has. It's a little weird to me that Trump would be the guy he chooses to send, right? The guy with all the bankruptcies who says he's a great business person, the guy who is supposed to be godly, except he's had all these divorces, affairs, cheating,

payoffs, all these. It's all a little difficult to believe that this is the guy God would choose. But maybe God has a funny sense of humor. I don't really know. Mally wrote in via tick tock and says, Canadian here, keep your opinions to yourself. You want to focus on emissions. Look at your own country first. Stupid left wing Americans. You really think the world runs on Skittles and good vibes, don't you? I have to be honest. I don't know what the hell this person's talking about. I is this pro oil or anti oil? I can't even tell. And also, what on earth did I mention about Canada's emissions? I don't remember mentioning that at all. Maybe this comment was was meant for a different show. I'm not I'm not really sure. The user be unapologetically patriotic asks, Hey, David, when are you going to start talking about Joe Biden's replacement for the

nominee? It's hilarious watching you and the rest of the liberals pretend he'll be the one running next year. I will tell you, I have an answer to this question, OK? I will start talking about Joe Biden's replacement for the nominee as soon as I have any evidence that Joe Biden is not going to be the nominee. If Joe Biden says I'm no longer no longer running for reelection, I will immediately start talking about his replacement. If Joe Biden drops dead, I will immediately start talking about his replacement. If it looks like someone's going to defeat Joe Biden in a primary that isn't even happening, I will immediately start talking about Joe Biden's replacement. Is that fair? Are those fair answers to the question? When will I start talking about Joe Biden's replacement? Is that fair? Are those fair answers to the question?

When will I start talking about his replacement? Let me know. Ian Reid wrote in and says the worst thing about Trump isn't what we've learned about him. It's what we've learned about our family, friends and neighbors that still support him. This is a super sad comment and also very true. As I've said before, Trump's a problem. But the real problem is a country where 70 something million people say this is the guy I want to be president and who are going to say it again. Many are going to say it again when they vote in just a few months. That is really the sad part. Unqualified people exist everywhere, right? I get calls from people who go, David, I'm running for president. OK, well, you're not going to get any votes. And we say it's good, right? Anybody can run, but they shouldn't all get votes. The problem with Trump

is we have a country that was perfectly suited for Trump to con them in 2016 and then to convince them that they weren't conned so that many of them voted for him again in 2020. Fortunately, not enough for him to win. And many are going to vote for him again in 2024. Ian is right. We've learned that so many of our friends, family and neighbors still support the guy. Kathy wrote in about Trump's desire for immunity. She says, funny how Trump wants total presidential immunity, yet doesn't want the same for President Biden. The words Republican and logic do not belong in the same sentence.

You know, Mark Cuban, the entrepreneur and part owner, or I think he's trying to sell his stake in the Dallas Mavericks NBA team. Cuban posted something funny, which was, listen, you know what? Trump should be the Supreme Court should give Trump total immunity for what he did, trying to steal the election and everything. And then Joe Biden should come out and say, I will not be leaving the Oval Office. Win or lose. I am going to remain president. The Supreme Court has already said I get total immunity. Presidents get total immunity. I'll remain president until I die. And of course, we all know that these are people who are total hypocrites with double standards. They want Joe Biden indicted for this, that the other thing, if Joe Biden tried to remain president, they would say

throw him in jail, but are arguing for total and complete immunity for Donald Trump. It's not new that they are hypocrites. It's not new. Finally, here is Jeff Bass. Jeff wrote to me and said, but you can call him a failed president. I would love to see you debate Benny Johnson. He know that would we know that would never happen because he would wipe the floor with you. This whole debate, this person thing is really funny to me. As I've said before, debates really debates that are for public consumption really are about who's most articulate and charismatic.

They're really not about who has the facts on their side. And it's very funny when people go debate this person or debate that person about on what topic, about what what do you mean? And so the vague claim that you should debate X, Y or Z person is just the desire to put two people against each other and see what the optics look like. You don't actually care about getting any solutions or figuring out reality. You just care about pitting people against each other for a show. It's entertainment politics.

It's not productive. Now, as far as me debating people, we have debates all the time on the show when the topic makes sense. Then we do the debate. But the idea of just debate someone for the sake of debating them is one of the lame. Unfortunately, it's one of the lamest things, these Internet blood sports sort of things. It's one of the worst directions that the online political space has taken. And so I'll participate in debates. I don't participate in debates on issues for which I am not the best person to articulate views against whoever it is.

Some right winger in the audience says I should debate so that they mop the floor with me. That's not really what we do here. But if you have suggestions, if you want to write and say, hey, you know what, David, you should really debate Benny Johnson about his view on X. And if the topic X is something I'm well versed in and he's well versed in, then maybe we get ourselves a debate. That's something to consider. We have a fantastic bonus show coming up for you today. So great to be back. It's 2024. The election, the shows, everything. Remember that the coupon code save democracy, 24, save democracy, 24 saves you 60 percent off the cost of a membership at joinpacman.com.