The David Pakman Show - 1/8/25: Greenland talk goes nuts, Zuckerberg bows down to Trump

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

-- On the Show: -- Cenk Uygur, Host of The Young Turks, joins David to discuss the controversy over his recent appearance with Charlie Kirk at Turning Point USA's America Fest, and his broader approaches to MAGA ahead of Donald Trump's second term -- The raw milk debate exposes, yet again, major flaws in Americans' understanding of basic math -- Mark Zuckerberg announces Facebook will mode its moderation team from California to Texas, yet another move certain to please Donald Trump -- Donald Trump holds a bizarre and disturbing press conference at Mar-a-Lago -- CNN attempts to sane-wash the demented rantings of Donald Trump during his Mar-a-Lago press conference -- Reports grow of Donald Trump's increasing fury with Elon Musk, including over the "President Musk" meme -- Trump talk about Greenland is increasingly channeling Vladimir Putin's previous rhetoric on Crimea -- On the Bonus Show: NYC congestion pricing in effect, Biden administration bans unpaid medical bills from appearing on credit reports, Skip Bayless offered former Fox Sports hairstylist $1.5 million for sex per lawsuit, much more... ⚠️ Ground News: Get 50% OFF their unlimited access Vantage plan at https://ground.news/pakman 🥐 Wildgrain: Use code PAKMAN for $30 off & free baked goods at https://wildgrain.com/pakman 🔊 Babbel language learning: Get up to 60% OFF at https://babbel.com/pakman ✉️ StartMail: Get 50% OFF a year subscription at https://startmail.com/pakman 🩳 SHEATH Underwear: Code PAKMAN for 20% OFF at https://sheathunderwear.com/pakman -- Become a Member: https://davidpakman.com/membership -- Become a Patron: https://www.patreon.com/davidpakmanshow -- TDPS Subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow -- Pakman Discord: https://davidpakman.com/discord -- David on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave a Voicemail: (219)-2DAVIDP

Welcome to the show. Several weeks ago, I did a story about math multiplying decimals. The story was called, Is Something Very Wrong With The Country? And surprisingly to a degree, a story about basic math got almost a million views and generated hundreds of emails from folks all across the country saying, I teach middle school, I teach high school, I teach college and they don't know basic math. They are completely dependent on calculators and conceptually something very bad is happening here. And my interest in that story was essentially if such basic skills are missing,

of course, we can't expect American voters to meaningfully engage with nuanced and complicated arguments about tariffs or climate change or whatever. Sort of like if education is failing this badly, why do we end up shocked that people fall for Facebook disinformation propaganda articles? Well, I have another example of this that I want to talk about today, and it goes very much to one of the sort of en vogue topics right now, which is raw milk, raw dairy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. nominated for secretary of health and human services. What about vaccines? What about hydroxychloroquine? What about red dye? You know, all this sort of stuff. What we're going to look at here is a conversation involving a content creator, Dr. Ids, and a gentleman who goes by the name Metabolic Mike.

Now, let me kind of set this up for you. A talking point that's spreading is we know raw milk isn't really dangerous because most hospitalizations for foodborne illness come from other foods, not from raw dairy. They come either from, uh, pasteurized dairy or fresh vegetables as Donald Trump says, or meat or something else. And there's really two issues here that are important to contend with. And again, our approach is if people don't even understand what I'm about to explain, how can they meaningfully assess the risk of raw dairy? There's two issues. Number one is that

milk is primarily connected. Raw milk is primarily connected to listeria. Dairy in general is connected to listeria. So looking at salmonella or other things, it's kind of deceptive if what we want to focus in on is raw versus pasteurized dairy. But the really deceptive part that you're going to see in this video is that way more people are eating raw vegetables than dairy. So to understand the relative risk, you have to first consider that the number of people having the raw vegetables is so much bigger than the number of people having raw milk that you have to account for that. And I'll give you an example and then we'll watch the video. If a million people eat vegetables daily and 10,000 people consume raw milk daily and half the hospitalizations come from the vegetables, but 5% of the hospitalizations come from the milk, even though the numbers are lower as a

share of hospitalizations for the raw milk, relatively speaking, the raw milk is way more dangerous. And I, I probably didn't even explain that well, but here is a really good clip from Tic Tac with Dr. Ids sort of respectfully debating this guy who goes by the name metabolic Mike and to metabolic Mike's credit, he acknowledges at the end of this short clip, the error in his analysis where he goes, hey, foodborne illness from fresh, fresh vegetables is way more common. So let's take a look at the data from both the CDC and the FDA. Dairy as a whole is not the leading cause of foodborne illness.

And we're categorizing unpasteurized dairy in that leafy vegetables contribute to 49 percent of the hospitalizations. It's about 1% of the US adult population report consuming some form of raw dairy once a week, not daily, once a week. That's from Lando et al. in 2022. Over 25% of US adults consume one portion of leafy green veg a day. So a quarter consume leafy green veg every day. One percent of adults consume some form of raw dairy once a week. So that's a huge difference. Using the absolute numbers for something for two different populations where one number is drastically smaller is actually not going to inform the public as to their relative risk of illness, right? In 2014, there's a literature review, which I cited two

videos ago. The authors looked at over, I think it was 121 infectious outbreaks. They estimated that raw dairy consumption holds a 150 times greater risk versus pasteurized dairy. Can you concede to the facts that it's an objective fact that raw dairy is at least 50 times more dangerous than pasteurized dairy? Yeah, I believe that. Fine. So metabolic Mike says, yeah, you're right. Now, why is this so relevant to politics? Why is this so relevant to RFK Jr. and Maha Make America Healthy Again? How can we in any way value the people online who show up and say raw milk is perfectly fine if they don't even understand the base rate comparison. If 1% of the population is having raw milk once a week and 25% of the population is having raw vegetables every day. So it's 25%

versus 1% seven times a week versus once a week. You have to account for that staggeringly lopsided base rate to then be able to say on an, on a use adjusted basis, which is actually more dangerous. Now you might get the real numbers, understand the real numbers and say, Hey, you know what? I am willing to accept that risk. The risk of getting foodborne illness from raw milk rather than spinach is 50 or 100 or 150 times higher. And I'm OK with that because it still feels low enough. Or I just love that sweet, sweet raw milk first thing in the morning. And I'm willing to accept. But if you can't even conceptualize the relative risk of what use is your confidence that it's not really so risky that you should be worried about yourself or your kids or Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pushing it. Now, I'll even concede to you the raw milk part

isn't even really the most concerning one. I would say that the data around vaccine safety, similarly with people not understanding base rate differences and all of these different things with all of this stuff, if we don't have a shared basis in fact, and the fact comes of course, from understanding the data, the conversations are largely a waste of time. And if you look on the internet, you will see that indeed the conversations about these issues are a big waste of time when half the population or more doesn't even understand the numbers. If you understand the numbers, now we can have an informed conversation about the risk

we're willing to accept. And one, one other note on this, if the relative risk stuff is interesting to you a year ago, two years ago, I interviewed a professor who specializes in, are we able to accurately assess risk as humans? Baruch Fischhoff is his name. Check out that interview. If you find this stuff interesting, really nice job there by Dr. It's plainly laying it out and getting metabolic Mike to acknowledge. Yeah. The raw milk is at least 50 times as dangerous. That's true. All right. Mark Zuckerberg continues to push Facebook towards being a tool of the MAGA agenda. The latest news is that Meta, the parent company of Facebook is moving its content moderation team from California to the state of Texas, where Mark Zuckerberg says there is going

to be a lower degree of concern about the moderation teams being biased. So put it all together. Yesterday, I told you that a big Trump supporter, Dana White, uh, will be joining the board of directors of meta. His only qualification is that Mark Zuckerberg is really into ultimate fighting right now. That's the only qualification for Dana White. Uh, on Friday's show, we will talk about Facebook ending its fact checking program. They're just going to end it. They're no longer going to do fact checks. Mark Zuckerberg saying, yeah, the whole fact checking thing, it turned out it was like kind of biased in a way, uh, of course, very friendly decision to Donald Trump. And then now we learn that Facebook is going to be moving its content

moderation team from California to Texas. I will let Mark Zuckerberg explain it. You will notice that Mark Zuckerberg increasingly looking like Dave Portnoy, interestingly enough, quite a look he's got going. Here is Mark Zuckerberg explaining it. Take a listen. Hey, everyone. I want to talk about something important today because it's time to get back to our roots around free expression on Facebook and Instagram. I started building social media to give people a voice. I gave a speech at Georgetown five years ago about the importance of protecting free expression, and I still believe this today.

But a lot has happened over the last several years. There's been widespread debate about potential harms from online content. Governments and legacy media have pushed to censor more and more. A lot of this is clearly political, but there's also a lot of legitimately bad stuff out there. Drugs, terrorism, child exploitation. These are things that we take very seriously, and I want to make sure that we handle responsibly. So we built a lot of complex systems to moderate content. But the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes. Even if they accidentally censor just 1% of posts, that's millions of people.

All right, so you get the point. So here's the sort of like totality of what's in the works. They're going to ditch the human fact checkers in favor of these community notes. This is very much going in the direction of what ex-Twitter has done. This is certainly going to cut corners. It exploits the free labor of users and it is very much friendly to MAGA. It will strip away protections on hot button issues like immigration and identity politics. Zuck says that the way they were doing it is just out of touch with the mainstream.

In other words, this is another handout to MAGA and to Trumpism. They are pandering to Trump's grievance culture. And then of course, they're going to move their trust and safety teams from California to Texas. They'll benefit from seemingly a friendlier political climate, maybe some tax perks. And it's important to know that, you know, this kind of like free speech crusade of Zuck focusing on on the battle against censorship. When the right wingers focus in on we are for free speech, what they've tended to mean over the last several years is I want to say anything, be it xenophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant. I want to be able to say anything with zero consequences and repercussions. And that includes zero consequences from the platforms

as, and zero conferences socially. That's another thing. They insist that any consequences to their speech are a limitation of their speech. When the reality is the consequences to speech are a limitation of their speech when the reality is the consequences to speech are also someone else's free speech. The timing of this is really difficult to ignore. Zuck has seen how X and Elon Musk, thanks to X's new moderation policies, X's new content policies and must dumping in 250 million bucks to Trump's campaign has made X extraordinarily popular among the right. And it has given Elon Musk direct access to Donald Trump. You'll recall that Trump said during his first term, oh, Zuck would show up and ask me for

goodies and blah, blah, blah, sort of negatively, pejoratively. Zuck wants to be more like Elon. He sees what is going on with these platforms. He wants a seat at the table. And so he's appeasing Donald Trump. Maybe he gets a tax cut. Maybe he gets a pat on the back from Trump's Republican party. But this is really about being in the Dana white friendship and the entire thing. Increasingly, we just have to acknowledge Facebook is going the way of Twitter. That's it. It's going the way of Twitter. We have to understand that it doesn't mean we abandoned the platform. I still think it's best to use the platforms to the extent that we can to make whatever impact we can get. But we've got to continue building. And this is what part of

what I'm hoping to talk to Jenk Uygur about, uh, later today. So that's the latest Facebook going fully MAGA content moderation, moving from California to Texas. And Friday we'll dig in, in more detail to the end of the Facebook fact-checking program. As Trump's inauguration approaches, we're already seeing what the next four years are going to look like. A Trump campaign official said Pennsylvania election workers will face jail time for counting mail in ballots with technical errors like missing dates. Part of the rights attempt to so election distrust and weaponize the courts.

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Not again to save a healthy amount off of the cost of a membership. Donald Trump holding a press conference yesterday at Mar-a-Lago. As I watched these atrocities take place, I asked myself, are we seriously in for another four years of this demented nonsense? And the answer is yes. Yes, we are. One of the most terrifying recent public appearances by the incoming president, Trump threatening to use force against multiple countries, including many of our allies. I want to remind you that Donald Trump had previously promised to end the Russia Ukraine war, not within a day of being inaugurated, but within a day of becoming president elect. He hasn't done that. And instead yesterday when he was asked, will you rule out using force against Panama, against

Greenland, against Canada? He said, no, I'm not going to rule that out. The supposedly peace loving president who won't get us into any wars, who's going to stay away from military conflict saying, maybe I will use force on Panama, Greenland or Canada. Can you assure the world that as you try to get control of these areas, you are not going to use military or economic coercion? No. Can you tell us a little bit about what your plan is?

Are you going to negotiate a new treaty? Are you going to ask the Canadians to hold the vote? What is the strategy? I can't assure you. You're talking about Panama and Greenland. No, I can't assure you on either of those two. But I can say this. We need them for economic security.

The Panama Canal was built for our military. I'm not going to commit to that now. It might be that you'll have to do something. Look, the Panama Canal is vital to our country. It's being operated by China. China. And of course, it is not true that China is operating the Panama canal. We've delved into that in details, but why let facts get in the way of a good story? Uh, do not adjust your television. Do not adjust your smartphone. Donald Trump is looking as orange as ever, but he is sounding as authoritarian and war hockey as ever. Also sounding very much off the mark when it comes to his big, a brain Donald Trump ranting about as is often the obsession with him, heating and cooling HVAC, plumbing and other things. Try to make heads or tails out of this. By the way, this guy loves electric and we don't have enough electricity. And then we have AI where

we need more. And he wants to get he wants everybody to have an electric heater instead of a gas heater. Gas heater is much less expensive. The heat is much better. It's a much better heat. Trump knows a lot about heat. As the expression goes, you don't itch. Does anybody have a heater where you go and you're scratching and that's what they want you to have. They don't want you to have gas where you don't have the problems of the electric. Now, I think what Trump is talking about is that some types of heat dry the air. Forced hot air systems often dry the air. But you can have forced hot air that comes from gas or from electric. Really, it's not about whether it's gas or electric as a heat source. Trump, as usual, seems very confused. And the source is plentiful.

They're much cheaper to operate. They're much better. They work much better. They look much better. Sixty percent of homes and apartments have gas heaters. Yeah. So Trump then moving on from HVAC over to plumbing. And fortunately, he did not talk about that third element of the bathroom, the one you have to flush 10 to 15 times if you're Trump. But Trump did talk about heaven sent rain and rain showers. Reportedly, Trump very interested in some of these shower heads they use for elephants. He really is just a stickler for shower and water pressure. These people are crazy. There's something wrong with them. There's something wrong with them. They also want to go back and they

have already started that to when you buy a faucet no water comes out because they want to preserve even in areas when you buy a faucet that have so much water you don't know what to do it's called rain comes down from comes down from heaven and uh they want to do uh. No water comes out of the shower. It goes drip, drip, drip. So what happens? You're in the shower 10 times as long, you know, right? No, you have to flush 10 times and you're in the shower 10 times as long. Water comes out of the faucet. You want to wash your hands. You they want to go back to even stronger than what they have right now. I, as you know, I ended that policy. I get. Yeah, Trump is big on water pressure. Tens of millions of people voted for this for a man who uses a press conference to drone on

and on and on about itchy heat and drip, drip, dripping shower heads. Trump also floating ideas that no one involved with Trump's transition seemed ever to have heard of before, including the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico. Mexico is really in trouble, a lot of trouble, very dangerous place. And we're going to be announcing a future date pretty soon. We're going to change because we do most of the work there and it's ours. We're going to be changing sort of the opposite of Biden, where he's closing everything up, essentially getting rid of 50 to 60 trillion dollars worth of assets. We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.

I like how Trump says, I'm going to be announcing this in the future. Well, you just kind of announced it now, which has a beautiful ring that covers a lot of territory, the Gulf of America. What a beautiful name. Right. And it's appropriate. It's appropriate. And Mexico has to stop allowing millions of people to pour into our country. They can stop them. Maybe the most deranged moment of the press conference, not when Trump apropos of nothing said he'll rename the Gulf of Mexico, but Trump was asked about pardoning the January 6th rioters, the violent ones, something Trump has sort of said, I'm looking at it very strongly and out of nowhere, out of nowhere, this guy needs help.

He says, we're looking at whether Hezbollah was among the rioters on January 6th, 2021. Who has even heard of this? But that's not the way life works. Two questions related to each other. First, you said on your first day of office, you're going to pardon January 6th defendants. Are you planning to pardon those who were charged with violent offenses? Well, we're looking at it and we have other people in there. And as you see, I guess 24 or 28 people came now from the FBI that came out very quietly. Nobody reported it, but they had. It dripped out very quietly, like from one of Sleepy Joe's shower heads. People in some form related to the FBI. They

had four or five people that were strongly related to the FBI. We have to find out about that. We have to find out. They were didn't you guys hear the FBI agents, wives, daughters, cousins, preschool teachers, kid is very closely related to those riots. That Hezbollah, we have to find out about who exactly was in that whole thing, because people that did some bad things were not prosecuted. You know, I see it all the time. And you see now you might be saying, why on earth is Trump talking about Hezbollah? Nobody knows. Just we we have absolutely no idea why when asked about will you pardon these American born alleged rioters who were who are accused of violent crimes on January 6th? Trump goes, we've got to see what Hezbollah is up to. We really do. Um, again on the economic force stuff, I believe, I hope I don't have my clips mixed up. I believe this is another instance of Trump talking about maybe economic force against Canada.

We were working under the assumption that you're serious about making Canada 51st state of the United States. The leader of the conservative party in Canada said under no circumstances will I ever be the 51st. Maybe he won't win, but maybe he will. I don't know. You had suggested this and I don't know. Several federal city or considering military force to acquire Panama and Greenland.

Are you also considering military force to annex and acquire economic force because Canada and the United States, that would really be something. All right. So he is clarifying their economic force only to force Canada into becoming the 51st US state. This is a president elect folks. This is, this is, this is a country with an illness.

Tens of millions voting for this. Trump asked about Meta announcing they will no longer do fact checks. And Trump says, I think Zuck is responding to my threats against Facebook that I've made. That's a that's a nice return. Meta said today it would stop putting fact checks on posts on its website. Meta said today it would stop putting fact checks on its website and instead allow community. Well, I watched their news conference and I thought it was a very good news conference. I think they've honestly I think they've come a long way. Meta, Facebook. I think they've come a long way.

I watched it. The man was very impressive. I watched it. Actually, I watched it on Fox. I'm not allowed to say that. Say it. Do you think he's directly responding to the threats that you have made to him in the past? Probably. He probably is. And you know what? Trump's finally correct. I think, as I said in my earlier analysis, what Zuckerberg is doing now, turning Facebook into a tool of MAGA is two things. It's number one, Zuck remembering the way that Trump treated Facebook during his first term and wanting different treatment this time around. And number two, Zuck just wants to be at the cool kids table like Elon Musk. Finally, Trump winds down the news conference

by unleashing or threatening to unleash hell against Gaza if all of the hostages are not returned. We have to run it properly. It's going to be run properly. We want to get back those hostages for Israel and for us. You know, we do have people that are hostages being held. And I'll just say it again. If this deal is not done with the people representing our nation, by the time I get to office, all hell is going to break out. Thank you very much. There you go. A very casual anti-war message from Trump as he walks away from the lectern.

All hell will break out unless I get my way. Terrifying, scary stuff. We are really in for it. And just wait till you see how CNN reacted. CNN yesterday in the immediate aftermath of Donald Trump's demented ranting press conference attempted to say and wash it. And it's pathetic. And I hate to say it. I'm getting the sense that CNN is attempting to do the exact same thing that Zuck and Facebook are doing ingratiate themselves with Donald Trump for preferential treatment. They don't want to be a target of Trump's when Trump is back in office. We already looked at clips. Trump threatened to unleash hell on Gaza.

Trump threatened to use economic force to force Canada into becoming an American state. Trump threatened to use economic or military force to acquire Greenland and to take control of the Panama canal. Trump ranted and raved about shower heads, water pressure and HVAC systems, including heating systems that make you itch. Yeah. And CNN attempts to say and wash it. Listen to this. Mexico is really, really important to us in stopping fentanyl and helping us with the migration problems. We have the sun at the southern border. Canada is really important to us. Another NATO ally. We should not be gratuitously pissing these people off. I just, again, where is the economic benefit for the people who voted for Donald Trump when he's off, you know, telling

tales of Greenland and renaming the Gulf of Mexico? Well, when the way he pitches it is, you know, when it comes to Greenland, for example, it's for national security purposes. Is there any credence to that statement? No, it's bananas it's it's insane i mean correct you know again denmark which owns greenland i think that's probably a fact that most americans are learning um is a nato ally right um and uh uh no so it's just complete madness from a national security standpoint and it also is antagonizing right what if some leader in canada or mexico is elected and says you know mexico we want california back We're getting California back. Or the British say, Mexico is really, really. Completely correct, of course, Congressman Jim Hines and CNN just doing

everything they can to sane wash this stuff. Here's another example. And taking Greenland from the Danish. Where's the economic message there? I certainly see your point about the economic message being a big driver for the election. But a lot of his supporters also just like that. He bucks tradition that he doesn't. It's Trump being Trump doing Trumpies do what what others do that. He's willing to, you know, to throw stuff out there that may be controversial. And, you know, he portrays himself as a negotiator and a businessman.

And a lot of his supporters, frankly, like that. A lot of his supporters, frankly, like what he threw out about, you know. She's just playing devil's advocate, guys. Renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. Pam, I get that. I get that. Politics has become entertainment in this country. And by the way, I'll be the first to say that there are some apple carts that should be turned over. It takes me years to get a bridge built in Connecticut. We're not moving projects

that are critical to the American people as fast as we should like. But at the end of the day, the business of government is very, very serious. You know what we do, Pan? Taking Greenland from the Danish. All right, I think you guys get it. What's going on here is very simple. CNN is terrified of what Trump will do to them unless they play ball. CNN wants access. CNN wants goodies. The CNN playbook is increasingly the same playbook as Meta, the same playbook as Elon Musk's X.

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the book Justice is Coming. Cenk, I'm so glad to have an opportunity to just have you on it and to talk directly with you. You know, last time we had you on, you were on with destiny and we talked about some of the things we're going to talk about today. But but I just want to talk to you directly. I want to first just kind of explain my understanding of the controversy that's surrounding you. And if I get anything wrong, you tell me. This all kind of started with some tweets involving Don Jr. and Elon Musk. We talked about it where you expressed willingness to work with whoever if you can accomplish the things that you believe are worth accomplishing.

We talked a little bit about whether it's realistic or naive to think these people will help us do that. But that was sort of like part one. You appeared with Charlie Kirk at America Fest with Turning Point USA. We'll talk about the content of that. But you've also been criticized by some just for appearing there, like just that your presence there was the problem rather than your goals or, or being there.

People are talking about a political one 80 like Dave Rubin, which you've explained is not at all what this is. And then I've also seen in preparing for our talk today, some conversations you had with folks that I think you were previously well acquainted and friendly with that are seeming way less friendly right now for reasons we can talk about. And a lot of people that say they are on the left don't like what you're up to. Is that a fair assessment of kind of where we are right now? Yeah. I mean, the devil's in the details and that's why we're having this conversation. But as a summary of where people think it stands, yeah, I think that's relatively right.

Here's my view after, you know, knowing you for, I think 16 or years or something like that at this point, reviewing the appearance, reviewing everything you've said, I don't think there's any problem with going on right wing shows or appearing at America Fest in principle. I think we should try to talk to the other side. My goal would be try to poach their audiences, try to expose Trump's not really the populist he claims to be or or whatever. I think there's no issue there whatsoever.

If I were to just jump to my concern, it would be all the evidence to me points to these are obviously not good partners in the things we want to achieve. I'll give you an example. Of course, I want to cut military spending. Pentagon, you and I have talked about it. Why wouldn't we work with whoever wants to do that? At the same time, no matter what shows up on Twitter, it's hard to imagine that Pete Hegseth, Elise Stefanik, Huckabee and Mike Waltz are ever

going to be involved in actually doing that. And so for me, it's more about how realistic is this thing? And is there a risk that your presence through no fault of your own is used simply to degrade the left with no real shot at improving anything? That's where I would place my concern, bearing in mind that I agree with a lot of what you're doing and what you're saying. Yeah. So let me start by acknowledging that I get why people are concerned.

Like when you see a pattern and we've seen Dave Rubin do it and others Tulsi Gabbard do it etc and you see what appears to be the first step there that your mind goes to the second the third and the 18th step and so like if if you're on the left and you're just see us doing this peripherally or you hear it on a different show and they showed you a 15 second clip or something I get why you'd be concerned right yeah now i've been as clear as anyone can possibly be that that is not the path we're taking uh and i kind of tore day ruba's head off and pierce morgan uh suggested that we make up i've got no interest in that uh and and uh and if you and what's hilarious is people to know the art works live at

six o'clock eastern everyday and they go away i don't get it was the right return they're saying things that are like super progressive populist left-wing with all these guys talking about so like i so i would ask you to not believe people with different incentives.

And what's really interesting, David, is that when I go on right-wing shows and other comments, tons of comments that I get is, wait a minute, I think right-wing media lied to me. That's right-wingers saying it. Because they say, I just saw like a 15-second clip of you saying something outrageous or something that i totally disagree with but they do to be outrageous right but what i see you in a conversation the the left is not at all what i thought it was right because the right wing shows have in the in historically have framed the left as the most extreme that everyone on the left

thinks that you know fill in the blank there we should release all the prisoners and not, you know, do anything about crime and whatever you think you could imagine that's the most extreme thing on the left. Almost all the right wing previously believed that was the entirety of the left. Everyone who voted for Biden, Kamala Harris, et cetera. So when they see us doing this, they're like, oh, wow. And that's ironically now the left-wing shows are doing the same thing as the right-wing shows did show 15 second clip and go you see a slight

disagreement there oh that's it he's a nazis fascist etc so i understand people who were misled by that right okay now when you get to the real things that you're talking about, David, so how did this start, and what am I seeing that others aren't seeing, potentially? So it started when I started running, yes, Biden in the primary, just to try to knock him out. You remember, of course, that. And, you know, at the time, you remember a lot of people said, oh, Jake, you're crazy. Joe Biden is young and dynamic and the best Democrat to beat Trump. I mean, I had huge, huge debates over that, including with Destiny

and so many others, right? So we were 100% right about that. But what happened is, I go on the right-wing shows and to, you know, and by the way, can I just tell you, why did I go on right-wing shows to try to knock Biden out of a Democratic primary? Because mainstream media never pays attention to the left. But if you say something on a right-wing show, mainstream media goes, oh, that's so important. Oh, my God, I saw it on a right-wing show. It's so important, right? And I was able to bounce from there onto mainstream media, not me personally, but that idea.

And it did help to knock Biden out. And that did help the democratic party so i've come i'd run a better campaign or if she just finished running a better campaign we would have been able to beat trump etc but so what i started seeing though when i went on there is wait a minute this right wing base is not the same base that it was before and it would by now i figured out why because in the old days they only watch fox news so you can talk to them they were fox news talking point machines right

i heard from sean hannity that corporate tax cuts help the middle class no they don't we talk about right but now they're getting their news not from angels but they're getting their news from causes of different shows and some of them are anti-war some of them are still pro-war some of this some of that and now what i'm seeing the right wing is they've begun to open up their mind in a way that we are not familiar with so when i go and tell the left wing no they're beginning to open their mind they think of the past and they think oh hell no this guy's got to be the biggest sucker on planet earth and super naive all the right wingers i've known my

whole life never have open minds and they're this that the other thing well i'm here to tell you you're seeing it wrong okay and so there's a lot of populace in those hills but because they're right-wing populace doesn't mean they agree with us on everything it doesn't mean that they are going to turn around and be like oh my god you're right we should have full trans rights no what that means is right wing like populism the the where it intersects is anti-war anti-corruption and by the way even on that stuff guys i get it yes Trump is perfectly corrupt and they voted for him anyway but by the way so is Kamala Harris and Joe Biden I know that breaks a lot of people's hearts but they gorged on billions of dollars in corporate cash but

establishment Democrats and established Republicans invented corruption right that and they and they will they've been corruption so you know of course trump is also corrupt but at least that base has an instinct of being anti corrupt should and so that we when i go on the shows i say hey guys for example you on musk remember he's a donor he's trump's largest owner

and they go well yeah that's true and remember how you should be wary of the donor class. And they're like, yeah, that's true. In the old days, David A. When they said that's true, they were like, no way. Our donors are angels and they're the greatest thing on earth. And you're the only donor that's a problem is George Soros and the unions. Right. So it's a different dynamic.

Like there's so many things that you ask. I know I'm taking a while, but I do want to address the other things because the idea that you're helping them or legitimizing them is absurd. Okay. Let's, I, there's sort of like a three part thing that I think will build to the most important aspect of what you just said. So first of all, I think you are doing an awesome job at correctly identifying something that's a major problem for the left. And that explains a lot of the right success, which is they aren't doing, at least right now, these toxic purity tests the way that some on the left do. You've identified the right. If you agree with them on five percent and you're kind of sick of the other options,

they welcome you, even if you disagree on 95% of stuff, a lot of the opposite of that is happening on the left. I think that's spot on. And I think it's awesome that you've identified that. I do want to talk a little bit about the whole, look at how they've changed. And one of the things that during your appearance with Charlie Kirk, that got some attention and that you focused in on as well as look, they're booing Mitch McConnell and they're booing Dick Cheney that you wouldn't have seen that in the past. I'm skeptical about reading too much into that for the following reason. I don't think they have any real idea why they're booing or they're not booing or what I mean is the following.

Trump and Charlie Kirk right now are benefiting from saying we're different from the establishment. We're different from McConnell and Cheney or whatever. If they do a 180 on that today at next week's AmFest, Charlie Kirk just leads the crowd in a cheer of Mitch McConnell. We got him back, guys. I don't think there's anything real about that. I think it's just something that they've decided we're going to say to create a distinction, whether there is a difference or not. So I'm worried about reading

too much into they booed McConnell because next week they'll cheer him. If someone says to Trump, now we cheer McConnell. You may agree, you may disagree. Let me, let me then do the part three of kind of work. My mind is on this. I would argue that whether or not they cheer McConnell or whatever, even if we agree about the problem, the, the risk of the populist rhetoric as a uniting force is that the solutions are different, even if we agree on the problem. So I'll like, I'll give you an example. You, I, some of the people at Amfest, we're worried about the power of the establishment and elites, the recalcitrant centers of power that are corrupt and we're sick of them and all of that.

We would identify the problem with almost the exact same language that the crowd at Amfest would. The problem is when you say, okay, left-wing populist, what's your solution? We talk about social democracy, curbing corporate power, using regulations. They will still say the solution is tax cuts for the rich and corporations and all the same stuff. So my, my instinct is, and tell me if, tell me if I'm wrong, I want to hear, you know, I'm open to having my mind changed. My thought is even if we really were in agreement about the problem, once we get to solutions, we're not even at all on the same page. No, I think you are wrong. And it's very understandable because what you're describing

is exactly what's happened throughout history, right? So that's the media and political ecosystem that we all grew up in. So again, that's why I understand people's concern. Like, whoa, wait, no way. All the Republicans I've known my whole life are immovable, right? And all they're ever going to do is corporate tax cuts and taxes for the rich. So here's where it's really important to do nuance and understand the new landscape. Okay. Tell me. So first of all, I'm Mitch McConnell and Dick Cheney.

No, they loathe them. You guys are wrong in thinking that it's a trick. I've now talked to hundreds, maybe thousands of MAGA guys. They're not forget the host. When I talk to the individuals, the actual voters, the base, they have no incentive to lie. Have you ever met a MAGA guy? Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think they're lying. I just think it's they've been now it's been several years of MAGA saying we don't like these guys. So they're on board. But if that changes, they'll just change their minds. No, they won't. So so let me explain why I think that they won't. So look, in the beginning,

it starts exactly as you're saying, David, which is Trump goes, I don't like Mitch McConnell for whatever crazy reason popped into his head at the time. And his wife is Coco Chow, weirdo, racist things against Elaine Chao. Right. now that i like elaine chow i think she's terrible establishment figure but you don't need to go racist on it yeah the problem isn't that she's asian yeah that's definitely not the problem right so uh so i know where it started and so you're not wrong about that but now they genuinely hate the corruption and they could explain so when i say like oh mitch mcconnell they don't when i get into longer discussions amfes was really tiny right you get into a three-hour conversation on patrick but david or tim pool show or whatever they all go no no i know he

takes a billion dollars from corporate donors and serves corporate donors for the last 10 20 years as you know not definitely not 10 longer than a fifteen twenty years david as you know my main thing is get money out of politics and the corruption bring back democracy and so whatever i talk to uh... democrats and i told him well nancy pelosi taking a billion dollars is also crocheted or no way she's an angel and your monster for saying that and whatever i want to talk to the right wing did say yeah pelosi's terrible but mitch mcconnell's an angel in your monster for saying that and whenever i went to talk to the right wing they'd say yeah pelosi's terrible

but mitch mcconnell's an angel and you're a monster for saying he isn't now when i go to the right wing they go no you're totally right and it's not just because he's opposed to trump it's because of the money that he takes from this donor class okay so and and dick cheney they genuinely hate the wars they don't want wars they and that i know that is so fundamentally different than the republican party we grew up with that loved wars right so now when you go to the hexes and this the panics of the world david that's where you get into a really interesting dynamic

now in the beginning trump is not going to trump is not his base trumps i could come and go all my god guys i've seen the light right and i'm not going to serve you on mos Mary Madelson or Tim Mellon or any of these guys or the oil companies. No, what's he doing? He's saying drill, baby, drill, because the oil companies gave him a ton of money. He gave domestic policy to Elon Musk and foreign policy to Mary Madelson. So why does Stefanik and Hegseth and all those guys, they're hardcore.

Mike Wall's a giant neocon. Why are they in the Trump administration? Because Trump's doing what every politician does, kissing the ass of his donors. And that's how he's going to start. And if his base doesn't challenge him, that's how he's going to end. Did the base challenge him last time? Like what evidence do we have this time they'll challenge him? So that's what I'm getting to.

So David, you're right in the first term, which now was a long time ago. Yep. Uh, the base didn't challenge him at all. Okay. Well, if Trump said something, they parroted it and it was over right now when I go on those shows or I put on a X, Hey, you know that Rubio, Stefanik walls and Huckabee are neocons and they're going to try to drive you into war. Wall of thousands of comments. You're totally right. We're worried about it. We trust Trump. Let's see how it goes.

But we got an eye out for it. Like, they're totally aware that they're neocons and they don't like it. So Hegseth's a different animal because he's partly neocon and partly, like, meathead. And they like the aggro part of Hegseth and the military part. Yeah, but but they're not going to like the neocon part. And if I'm right about any of this, yeah, war is where it breaks, where the base then says to Trump, no, brother, we told you antiwar.

We didn't go tell you to help Israel invade Iran. No, I'm not even sure about this. And I think this is really, I don't know that this is an ideological disagreement. I just don't know that we're on agreement on the facts. I'll give you a counterexample to what you're talking about. Yesterday, Tom Trump does this crazy press conference at Mar-a-Lago during this press conference. It was like 30 minutes long.

He suggested taking Greenland and the Panama Canal with military force, taking Canada with economic force and unleashing hell on Gaza or allowing hell to be unleashed. That doesn't sound very anti-war. And when you look on the truth socials and everywhere else, it's people defending it Memes about all of the Americas in an American flag. They kind of seem to be just lining up behind whatever he says. I just am not seeing what you're seeing. Yeah, David, that's exactly it. Because I'm I dove in more. I'm seeing something that others aren't. And that's why I understand the skepticism. But am I wrong about the reaction to yesterday's crazy?

You're halfway wrong. I'm halfway. OK, all right. So I know I'm out on a limb here because believing that the right wing is going to turn on Trump on specific issues where they have disagreement when they've never done it before. I get that I'm taking a risk by saying that they're going to do that. Right. I question whether there is disagreement.

There is. So that's what I'm saying. So, and we'll, we're all going to find out with our own eyes and ears if I'm right or wrong. Right. And you've seen me go out ahead of people before. Right. Right.

Where I say in 2013 I said Bernie could beat Hillary Clinton three years before he had that historic run. I said Biden was too old and couldn't possibly win, et cetera. So now I'm saying, yeah, I see that disagreement. So for example, on what you mentioned, just like I said, Trump in the beginning goes to serve his donors. And so he goes, oh yeah, Miriam, like the Palestinians aren't slaughtered enough. I'll slaughter them even more, right? As long as you keep the money coming, right? And he engages in his fantasies about buying Greenland or invading in panama et cetera

so the first reaction the folks are gonna have is we're defending trump and especially when the left attacks and no no way no he doesn't mean invading greenland he means buying greenland he doesn't mean this he means that so we get tons of that eighty percent of that yes right and it's not quite fifty fifty but do i see the twenty

percent that is going no you're right we didn't say invade any countries we said anti-war so that colonel already exists on and we're not even at day one and when he actually and what the the number one thing they say is guys cut it out he's obviously bluffing and you're hurting his chance of bluffing when you say that he's definitely not going to do it so uh... if he goes to the big greenland he will definitely lose out the space

that is mental and they are actually antiwar so but more but that's not going to happen because he's not going to do that he's bluffing right but when look this is where i think the rubber hits the road and this is now i'm really out on a limb okay okay i think his base is going to turn on israel and and so when when he goes yeah no i'm going to give Israel another $30 billion and I'm going to help them bomb more countries, at some point MA Israel in America. But when you tell the right wing, you're not allowed to do something. Okay. Let's see what happens. So, so again, we'll see. I'm, I'm, I'm, I get that I'm predicting unprecedented things, but I'm doing that based on what I'm actually seeing on the ground.

Listen, my, my best assessment in having reviewed all of the evidence and in talking to you here is I think it's clear you're not doing a Dave Rubin. I think your heart's in the right place. I think retrospectively my, here's my prediction. I'm not big on predictions. I think in a few years, you'll say I was a little naive with my expectations that, and I could be wrong. You could be wrong. We don't know. I think if there's a fault here, it's, we've seen you, you're right. It's been a long time. And for eight, nine years, what we've almost 10 years now, since Trump came down the escalator and said, Mexicans are rapists, the highest value has been, they ultimately do support whatever Trump wants. They don't really care about free speech or freedom or

family values or money in politics. That's what we've seen for the last nine and a half years. I hear you saying it's going to change, but we are on the same page that it hasn't been that way. Right. I think that part we do agree on. Yes, we do. Yeah. All right. I mean, look, I can list you dozens of examples where they say they're against cancel culture and then they'll say, well, we should cancel them. Right. Yes. Like I mean, look, but to be fair, the Democrats are the same thing. We're against cancel culture. But if you criticize Israel on a college campus, we're going to arrest you and take away your diploma. That sounds like cancel culture to me. Right. So, I mean, but i can give you dozens of other examples oh you're protesting oil companies pipelines we're going to pass a law in florida that says we could

run you over in our cars right i mean it doesn't get any more cancel culture than murdering someone with your cars because they protested an oil company right so and freedom of speech they take away freedom of speech all the time so i totally agree that the last nine and a half years, they have not shown what I am seeing that they're going to do in the future. And I totally agree with you, David, that we're going to come back two, three years from now and see how this went. And see, hey, was I right that there was this, that their composition had changed and they were more open to a rebellion against trump and actually had a mind of their own as opposed to being in a cult for trump and i get if you're on the left that you're like no way no way they're in a cult etc but guys remember we all live in bubbles they the trump people have been in a massive bubble for a long, long time, right? Yes. But we've also been in a bubble and our bubble says, if you disagree with any of us, 5%,

we kick you out of that bubble and we call you a racist and a fascist and every word in the dictionary. And then we go, Oh my God, how did we lose the popular vote? Well, you lost the popular vote because you pushed everyone out. Yep. No denying that I'm with you 110% on that. That's for sure. Yeah. And MAGA, when they hear me say things that they don't even, they didn't even, you know that MAGA doesn't realize we're anti-corruption. The left is anti-corruption. They don't even realize the left is anti-war because Kamala Harris was like, Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney are my best friends. I'm going to go on a college campus tour with

them, right? So they, and the establishment is pro-war and the democratic party unfortunately has become more uh establishment right so they look at it and they're like they're super surprised that the left thinks uh is anti-war anti-corruption and all these things right when i talked to them about paid family leave patrick bet Patrick Ben David polled his audience. 75% of his audience said yes, paid family leave. 12 weeks off for moms after they have a baby. That's arguably a conservative principle. I think it's a giant progressive principle.

We know it's a giant progressive principle. But that's where the unity can come. But you can't pass any of these things or even have hope of passing any of these things if you tell the people who are in charge who won the popular vote we're going to hate all of you we're never going to work with you whenever you're going to talk to you so we have no hope of ever winning those votes back because you can't win them back if you're not talking to them right so some but but we don't live in a bubble no we also live in a bubble and our bubble needs to be burst because this is we've unfortunately some portion of the left has stopped being open-minded and and what i say on young turks all the time is our community is open-minded and open-hearted right we're trying to do the right

thing and we're trying to get the right thing and we're trying to get there no matter what and what i would ask all of you is eyes on the prize the prize is policy if you pass policy you improve actual people's lives if you don't all of us in media and politics are just playing ego games who's bigger who's this who's more pure who's the you know the one that represents blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's all about ego. But actually getting policy passed affects your life. And you're not going to get policy passed going into your little bubble and calling everyone outside the bubble of fascists. We know that won't work. That's for sure. Listen,

Cenk, I appreciate you being on. I hope you're right about the vast majority of what you're saying. I fear you are wrong, but time, time will tell us and then we will soon see. I really appreciate your time. Thank you, David. Appreciate it. Guys in my audience, I know you're tired of the chafing with traditional underwear. Our sponsor sheath makes the most comfortable boxer briefs I've ever worn. If you're sick of the boxers that are too loose or the briefs that are too tight, sheath is for you. Sheath underwear is designed with two special pouches in the front. Keeps everything separate in its own compartment with extra confidence that you will feel throughout the day, keeping things separate

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After months of getting close, the relationship between Trump and his so-called first buddy has become fraught, according to a New York Times reporter per the Independent. President-elect Donald Trump has been complaining about his first buddy, Elon Musk, behind closed doors, according to a reporter. Trump and Musk have become close with the tech billionaire reportedly staying at a cottage. How nice, how quaint. Just a few hundred feet away from the main house at Mar-a-Lago. Trump, of course, has selected Musk to lead,

co-lead Doge. But there's trouble in paradise, according to New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman. Quote, Trump does complain a bit to people about how Musk is around a lot, she said to Kara Swisher on Monday. Musk has been a major donor to Trump this campaign cycle, and he's sort of tied into various areas around Trump, which make things more complicated. Musk seems more willing to irritate Trump than a lot of other people have been and less concerned about what it might mean. It's a fraught relationship and has potential for becoming even more so. Uh, but the president elect swiftly addressed the president Musk thing during a speech. No, he's not taking the presidency.

That's not happening. Asked how Trump has been reacting to president Musk. Haberman said it definitely bothers him. Trump's not a windup toy, but there certainly are very specific things that can zots him. But she predicted once Trump takes office, this is going to change. I don't anticipate Musk is going to have an office in the West wing or have a pass to walk freely in the white house. Trump keeps people around for a long time if they are of use to him, if they are of

use to him and he almost never totally closes the door to somebody. Musk comes with something that Bannon did not, which is a lot of money. And that buys him time. Yeah, this is something that I spoke about yesterday, in fact, which is as you see Steve Bannon increasingly taking the anti Musk approach. Part of this is Bannon. Bannon is just jealous. Bannon would love to have the access he once had. He sees Musk getting it.

So now he comes up with object, seemingly objective reasons why it's bad. Musk is, you know, this, this elite billionaire, unelected bureaucrat, whatever. But a lot of what's going on here is that just by, by the sheer fact of it, Musk can offer two things that Bannon does not. Musk is way more famous than Bannon and Musk is way wealthier than Bannon. And to a degree, he's probably also more popular. I mean, there are people that like Musk, not because of his political. There are some that like Musk for politics, some that like Musk for X, some that like Musk for Tesla, some for SpaceX. So there's three things that Musk has that Bannon

doesn't that Trump really values. And it does seem to all be coming to a head. It also is this sort of impending crash head on collision. Uh, because from a personality standpoint, even though Musk has many things, Trump loves, those are also things that make them a liability. Trump loves being around the in crowd and the popular kids until they take away too much attention from Trump. Trump loves being around the super wealthy until their wealth less directly benefits Trump and starts to get them the attention that Trump so crave. So it is no surprise whatsoever that this is rapidly heading

towards a disaster. I would love to see the left to the degree that we can continue to play up, uh, play, play this up more. I would love to see someone sneak in, you know, president Musk signs to Trump's inaugurated that rally on the 19th that Trump's holding. One other note on this, the reality that Trump is privately complaining about Musk, but publicly saying it's all good. He's great. I'm not mad at him. He's not trying to be president. It sort of is a signal as to who holds the power in the relationship. And if Trump is only willing to complain about Musk privately, it actually points to Musk having significantly more power here than Trump would like to admit. It increasingly genuinely seems like Musk is in control here. I want to make an analogy.

The rhetoric that Don Jr and Trump and other mega Potamans are using about Greenland is very similar, very similar to Putin's language about Crimea in times past and even his language about Ukraine. More recently, we're going to look at a clip of an interview that Don Jr. did last night with Sean Hannity, presumably after getting back to his couple of back from his couple of hours on the ground in Greenland yesterday and listen to the things that Hannity and Don Jr. say about Greenland. These are direct echoes of rhetoric we previously heard from Putin about Crimea. Take a listen.

Then I'll explain. If you look at Greenland, for example, if the people there are being treated horribly, I would bet the people would probably vote for an alliance with the U.S. And guess what? I think it would be in their best interest. Or if you want to talk about Canada, Canada doesn't have American money. Donald Jr., guess what? They're in trouble. They don't, if they don't have a trade deficit without, they're not being treated well, they have a financial problem. They have a trade problem. Yeah. Trump might use force to take Greenland, but it would be all in their best interest. Just like Crimea benefited from a Putin's belligerence, just like Ukraine would be better off if Russia took it over. They're in trouble.

Well, a hundred percent. I think all of these nations, what we've watched over the last four years, Sean is when America is weak, when we don't have leadership, when it in whatever leadership we do have is feckless. The world goes to hell. It crumbles. Dictators take advantage of it. People invade their neighbors. When America leads with resolve and with strength and from the front, we can do amazing things, not just if you look at great. This is this is the exact same story. It's for global security as Putin has argued his belligerence with Crimea and Ukraine are. It's for regional stability as Putin has argued. And it's another one of these arguments. The MAGA people are floating around this map of like, it's basically

from Mexico up through Greenland with an American flag, including Canada, including Greenland. It's for everyone's benefit. We just might have to like kind of start a war to do it. Here's one more clip. And of course this again, so similar to the stuff Putin has done in the past. Don Jr saying the people in Greenland, they love Trump. They'd rather be part of the United States rather than being a possession of Denmark.

You know, just amazing. I, you know, they're obviously part of Denmark, but Denmark doesn't allow them to utilize their natural resources. So many of these young kids coming up and telling us on a daily basis, you know, when we go to Denmark, we're treated like second and third class citizens. They tell us to go home. There seems. By the way, do you think for a second if the United States took Greenland by force, do you think Greenlanders are going to be treated just like Don Jr. and other American born citizens if they come to the United States? Of course not. To be quite a bit of racism there. They just want to live their best life, just like we want to live ours in America and utilize the resources that we have in the ground. Not surprisingly, Sean, the Danish media, they tell us, has spent a long time ever since my

father started talking about this in his first administration, creating, you know, very negative views about America to try to create the narrative and create a sentiment against this from happening. But from what I saw on the ground, we were there basically the entirety of the daylight there, which is short this time of year, but still amazing. Everyone was really into this concept. Yeah. If you want an idea of how well Trump would regard Greenlanders, if the U. U S took Greenland by force and made it a possession of sorts. Um, it would be just like how Trump views Puerto Rico, which is confused about who the president of Puerto Rico is. Remember when Trump said, I just

spoke to the president of Puerto Rico, that's Trump. Of course it was Trump at the time. Uh, as well as not understanding that Puerto Ricans are American citizens. If you want a model of how well the Greenlanders would be treated by Trump in such a scenario, you need only look at his perspective on Puerto Ricans throughout his presidency. So similar rhetoric, chilling rhetoric that we are hearing about Greenland, very similar to what we've heard from Putin about Crimea, Crimea and his other belligerent incursions. It's not good. It's not good. Today on the bonus show, we will talk about New York City congestion pricing. So controversial. Other cities considering it. Some people like it.

Some people don't. We are also going to talk about the Biden administration banning unpaid medical bills from appearing on credit reports, a very interesting decision. And finally, Skip Bayless reportedly offered a former Fox Sports hairstylist one point five million dollars for sex. This is one of the wackiest me to style detailed lawsuits that we've seen. And we will discuss all of these stories and more on the bonus show. Sign up at join Pacman dot com. And remember to preorder my forthcoming book, The Echo Machine at David Pacman dot com slash books. We did it. We surpassed five thousand preorders. I'll keep you posted on the numbers. See you on the bonus show.