The David Pakman Show - 2/6/23: China Balloon Popped, Santos Accused of Harassment

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

-- On the Show: -- President Joe Biden orders the Chinese surveillance balloon blown up and this explodes into a major story -- Failed former President Donald Trump is massively triggered by the Chinese surveillance balloon and Joe Biden blowing it up -- Fox News host Maria Bartiromo unleashes a Chinese balloon conspiracy so absurd that it boggles the mind -- Is the anti-globalism touted by many on the right merely a form of veiled antisemitism? -- Democrats decide to make South Carolina, not Iowa, the first primary of 2024 -- Correspondent Luke Beasley interviewed Trump supporters at Trump's recent event in South Carolina and it was completely out of control -- Lying Republican Congressman George Santos has already been accused of sexual harassment since taking office -- The term "woke" has been perverted into oblivion by the American right wing -- Voicemail caller praises David's recent appearance on the Patrick Bet-David podcast, but overall feedback was mixed -- On the Bonus Show: Republican Senator Ted Cruz wants two-term limit for Senators, ban on marijuana users owning guns is unconstitutional says judge, new rules would limit sugar in school meals, much more... 🌳 Use code PAKMAN for 20% off HoldOn plant-based bags at https://holdonbags.com 💻 Stay protected! Try Aura FREE for 2 weeks: https://aura.com/pakman 👍 Get 10% off the Füm Journey Pack with code PAKMAN at https://tryfum.com 💪 Athletic Greens is offering FREE year-supply of Vitamin D at https://athleticgreens.com/pakman 😁 Zippix Toothpicks: Code PAKMAN saves you 10% at https://zippixtoothpicks.com -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Subscribe to Pakman Finance: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanfinance -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

Speaker 1 Well, it is so good to be back on the program to talk about such important issues today as the popping of balloons. Alpha Joe Biden has popped the Chinese balloon and Trumpists are furious. Why are they furious? Well, it's not even clear that they know. Oh, boy. I want to make clear that for me, this story is really about the meta narrative. In other words, there is a hilarious story here that has developed and it is the story being told about the story being told about this Chinese surveillance balloon. And so we're not really talking about the balloon per se, but we're talking about the narrative, about the narrative of the balloon. And the story in reality is not really about Joe Biden or Donald Trump. But there is something so funny about right wingers spending a couple of days saying weak beta Joe Biden isn't going to do anything about the balloon. Biden orders the balloon

blown up. And then we found out that similar balloons, maybe the same balloon, actually crossed over U.S. territory three times when Donald Trump was president. Now, that being said, I'm not going to tell you anything we don't believe to be true. It seems right now that Trump was not actually told about that. Now, this is the subject of some controversy and we're going to talk about it. But it seems as though the latest claims are the Trump administration or Trump specifically was not actually told about this during his administration. And so we will get to that. The Associated Press has a worthwhile article. If you want to get caught up on this balloon bickering over Biden's

actions and China's intentions. The article reads Republican lawmakers Sunday accused China of deliberately surveilling sensitive U.S. military sites with a suspected spy balloon and said the Biden administration had given Beijing an intelligence opening by not downing the balloon during its high altitude drift during American airspace. Now, understand that if you down the balloon while it is over U.S. land, it's extraordinarily dangerous. And so there was a decision made to wait until it was over water. And that is when the balloon was popped. And this is actually what we are talking about here. China, meanwhile, accused the U.S. of indiscriminate use of force when the American military shot it down. The vice foreign minister said he lodged a formal complaint with the U.S. embassy. Very, very aggressive. They are not happy about it. Then there is an article from the from Business

Insider. Republicans are blaming Biden for letting a suspected Chinese spy balloon cross into the U.S. It happened three times during the Trump administration, officials say. Would Trump have let China fly a spy balloon over our country, tweeted Jim Jordan. Chinese spy balloons were cited three times during the Trump administration. Now, I tweeted yesterday that the story was there's a Chinese balloon over U.S. airspace. MAGA says Biden won't blow it up. Biden blows it up. MAGA says big deal. Any president would have blown it up. And then we learned actually it flew over U.S. airspace three times under Trump and Trump didn't blow it up. It is believed right now. It is believed right now that the Chinese spy balloons that flew over U.S. airspace in U.S. airspace under Trump were not discovered until Trump was no longer in office.

And if that's the case, my tweet yesterday was based on the information we had then and we've since learned more. So you don't need to include that to realize the absurdity of the story about the story. The story about the story is Trump tough on China, Biden weak on China. That's the that's the the meta narrative that exists here. In reality, what we have is Biden immediately went to military advisers, was told we can pop it, but it could actually hurt people if we did it while it was over land. So if you give the order, sir, you can give the order for us to pop it when it's not over land, over water. Took a couple of days for it to reach that position. And then it was indeed popped. Trump did not do anything like that about these balloons. Our best information now is that Trump didn't have that

opportunity. And that's perfectly fine. But the story of Biden, very, very weak on China, Trump, very, very strong on China continues to fall apart. And something about this balloon story has massively triggered Donald Trump. Let's see if we can figure out what it is. Over the weekend, failed former President Donald Trump spent a ton of time on his social media platform. Truth, social essential truth, truth. Call it whatever you want. One of the topics which Trump addressed was this spy balloon, as it is being called from China, which was popped by Joe Biden and Donald Trump sending a number of outrageous troughs. Let's just dig right into them and see if we can figure out why is the guy so triggered?

Is it because of his failing presidential campaign? Is it because he wants attention? Is it because it's a sort of if I can't play in the sandbox, I'm going to poop in it so none of the other kids can play it in either. I don't know. Trump trothing quote, the Chinese balloon situation is a disgrace, just like the Afghanistan horror show and everything else surrounding the grossly incompetent Biden administration. Now, what's funny about that is on on Afghanistan, when Trump was asked, what exactly would you have done differently than Joe Biden? He couldn't articulate anything he would have done differently. Biden executed the Trump plan. And similarly, just like Biden popped the balloon, Trump probably would have popped the balloon. So it's kind of kind of

a weird start. Trump continues. They are only good at cheating in elections and disinformation. And now they are putting out that a balloon was put up by China during the Trump administration in order to take the heat off the slow moving Biden fools. China had too much respect for Trump for this to have happened, and it never did just fake disinformation. Well, it turns out that that's not true. It turns out that there were Chinese spy balloons, which three times flew over U.S. airspace in U.S. airspace under Trump. Now, in Trump's defense, you all know that there is plenty to slam Trump about. I don't need to make things up in Trump's defense on this issue. The latest report as of a few hours

ago is that the Trump administration was not told about these balloons when they were over in U.S. airspace, that this was learned about after Biden took office. So if that's the case, Trump's just going further. Trump's saying China never would have done it. Well, China did do it. You just didn't know about Trump contribute continuing on truth central quote, who sends a billion dollar blimp with the most sophisticated equipment in the world and large enough to hold 10 cars or three large buses into a complex pattern over the United States without it quite possibly being manned, such as the manned spacecraft. China should have been called to ask if no, shoot it down. If yes, negotiate the greatest deal ever. I guess Trump is saying that he believes that such a

balloon likely would have been manned, even though there's no evidence of that. And if so, he would have tried, I guess, to kidnap the balloon and its pilot, which didn't exist and extort the Chinese or something. I mean, this is a very crazy way to manage foreign relations. But after all, it is Trump. And then maybe the funniest truth of all, Trump then closing it out with, quote, the Chinese would never have floated the blimp, quote, balloon over the United States if I were

president. And as I already mentioned to you, Chinese spy balloons did fly in U.S. airspace three times while Donald Trump was president of the United States. As far as we believe right now, Trump wasn't told about it. But China did indeed have the audacity. Often they play up. Well, you know, Putin never would have invaded because he was scared and China never will. China did. China did the thing he says they never would have done. Now, the third piece to this fiasco is what's the wildest conspiracy theory to come out of it? Well, let's look at that next. Fox News host Trump, brown noser and vile propagandist conspiracy theorist Maria Bartiromo has unleashed maybe the wackiest balloon conspiracy theory I heard in the last 24 hours. Maria's suggestion is she's just asking questions. Remember, did the balloon.

OK, let me even back it up. Did China send the balloon so that it would be popped by Biden so that then it would disperse surveillance products that are solar powered to now allow unlimited surveillance? I read a science fiction book with technology like this. Let's listen to what Maria Bartiromo says. China didn't drop and disperse surveillance products powered by solar energy to allow unlimited surveillance? And why did it take U.S. officials so long to shoot it down? Was it a test for the CCP to see if it can send something into America's airspace undetected? And how much surveillance is communist China performing on America right now? Right. So, of course, China is performing surveillance on the U.S. right now. Right. So, of course,

China is performing surveillance on the U.S. The U.S. is performing surveillance over China. U.S. is performing surveillance over Russia and Russia over the U.S. This is sort of the way things work. But this is a wacky, wacky conspiracy theory. And it's funny on a couple levels. First of all, these right wingers are constantly talking about how unreliable solar energy is. You know, when it's cloudy, it doesn't work. Did you know that when there's no sun, when it's nighttime, you don't get any solar energy. OK, all of a sudden, the very technology they claim is worthless and shouldn't really be a part of American energy mix. They are saying it's being used in the most sophisticated way we can imagine, which is that the balloon was filled with solar powered surveillance elements which

have now been dispersed across the United States because the balloon was popped by stupid Joe Biden. Fine. First, it was Biden won't pop the balloon. Now it's Biden popped it. But is that exactly what China wanted Biden to do? The other funny thing about it is the military under Biden's orders waited until the balloon was over water to pop it so that it wouldn't present a risk to people. And so whatever was just released, I guess, is now doing surveillance on the bottom of the ocean or whatever the case may be. I actually wonder if the balloon is what made that massive dump of ballots on election night. We should really look into that. One other funny clip here related to this Republican Senator Marco Rubio was interviewed by ABC's Jonathan Karl. And Rubio showed up and he says, you know what, China, the message China was sending was you guys, you, the United States under Biden, you're not going to do anything about this balloon.

And then Jonathan Karl points out, well, it was actually shot out of the sky. And Rubio's like, yeah, but and then he inserts a wacky word salad over the sky. And the message they were trying to send is what they believe internally. And that is that the United States is a once great superpower that's hollowed out, that's in decline, and the message they're trying to send the world is, look, these guys can't even do anything about a balloon flying over U.S. airspace. How can you possibly count on them if something were to happen in the Indo-Pacific region? How can you count on them if they're not going to do anything about a balloon over U.S. airspace? Right, except they did.

How are they going to come to the aid of Taiwan or stand with the Philippines or Japan or India when the Chinese move on their territories? So I think that that's really the key part here is they knew exactly what they were doing and there was a message behind it. But the balloon was shot out of the sky. What do you mean? I mean, the balloon was taken down.

Yeah, and I think they understood that ultimately that would probably be what could happen. And then they would make this other statement about, oh, the U.S. is overreacting. It's just a weather balloon. Look how silly they got. That's part of it as well. But what they know the world is going to see is you have a balloon that entered through Alaska, traversed everywhere from Idaho and Montana, across the Midwest, over some of the most sensitive. I mean, look at the flight path that this thing took. It's not coincidental. It went over. Right. So first, the problem is, listen, they do this and they know we're not going to do a

damn thing about it. Well, but we did. We shot it out of the sky. Right. But look at the flight path that it took. And anyway, they had a response queued up. These people will say anything. They will be confronted with the facts and then they will just spit out another word salad. It's conspiracies and meaningless rhetoric all the way down. Is there a real story here about surveillance? Of course there is. Of course there is.

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globalist system and the globalists and all of it, they are often actually referring to the idea of a Jewish conspiracy to control this, that or the other thing. Now, they use code words to mask their intentions. And many of the people touting this anti-globalist stuff don't even realize that it is a thinly veiled anti-Semitic conspiracy. Many of them are just regurgitating talking points that they heard from somebody else without even really understanding the origins or the oranges of so-called anti-globalism. Globalism exists in the what I mean is the idea of globalism as something separate from Jews are doing stuff does exist. Globalism is the operation and planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis. Right. That would be when rather than as individual countries,

you have global economic planning, you have global foreign policy planning. That's a real thing in terms of it could be something that exists. Most of these right wingers that talk about globalism don't actually give a damn about real globalism, as I just described it to you. For many of them, it's just another way to spread their hateful ideology, to place a target on particular people. And it is often a thinly veiled placeholder for anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. It's actually similar to I. This is so fraught to ever mention George Orwell's 1984 because it's so often mentioned in ways that has actually nothing to do or have nothing to do with what George Orwell wrote about.

But when you think back to Orwell's 1984 and you think about Goldstein as. A tool to fuel hatred towards Jews, a bogeyman or a bogeyman, depending on your preference. Anti-globalism has become a similar coded dog whistle version of anti-Semitism. And so it's a way that right wingers can spread their hate and their intolerance under a more politically correct veneer. They claim to be against political correctness. They want to just say things as they are, say things as they are for them would be to be going after Jews. But I guess they realize they have to be a little more politically correct. Maybe. I don't know. And so they're calling it we're against globalism rather than we just have these conspiracy theories about Jews. We have seen this kind of talk before. And I know many of you know exactly where we have to go back to.

And it's the 1930s. And we saw where it led then disastrous consequences for marginalized communities, including Jews and others as well. So what we really should do as we I mean, it's like, OK, David, great. Many of us suspected that anti-globalism is really just coded anti-Semitism. But what can we actually do about it? Well, one thing you can do is call it out for what it is. Anti-globalism isn't this harmless political viewpoint. It's a form of anti-Semitism with the potential to lead to terrible things. And one idea, just one idea for how to handle it is when you hear these folks start talking about globalism, how globalism is bad, ask them to explain exactly which policies and initiatives they're opposed to. It's very easy for them to say, well, I'm against all of the

ideology of George Soros and Klaus Schwab, for example. But that's not policy. Ask them for policy. Now, some may say, well, I'm against dealing with climate in a global way, like, for example, with the Paris Climate Accords. OK, we could talk about Paris climate, but most of them won't actually have any examples of the globalism they claim to be against. And what's what's interesting is and kind of funny and sad for people spending so much time talking about globalism, you would think they'd be able to list at least a bunch, at least a few globalist policies. But in my experience, I would be shocked if they can actually name a single one. Maybe they'll mention Paris climate. But of course, countries can just opt out, as Trump did opt out the United States during his presidency. So, yes, anti-globalism, a very flimsy veneer for anti-Semitism. Democrats

have made a massive dump of Iowa as the first vote in the 2024 primary. I think this is very interesting. And quite frankly, I'm in favor of it. And I'm going to talk to you a little bit about why Reuters has a good explainer. Very, very straightforward what's going on. Democrats approve Biden's revamped primary calendar. The DNC on Saturday approved a shakeup of the 2024 primary calendar, giving black voters a greater say in the nominating process and carving an easier path for Biden's expected reelection bid. The party's vote Saturday replaces the famed Iowa caucuses as the first in the nation with South Carolina, a state with significantly more black voters

and one that saved Biden's 2020 presidential campaign. It would be followed by New Hampshire and Nevada one week later than by Georgia and Michigan. Now, we've talked about this for a while now. This is happening at what is arguably a politically fraught time because I've been saying we need to do something like this for multiple election cycles. Why is Iowa first? Iowa is 90 percent white. It's extraordinarily rural. It's not representative of anything about the Democratic Party or voters in general or preferences for candidates. It just gets a lot of attention because it's first. And why is it first? It's not really clear that it should be. So for a very long time, I've been saying South Carolina is not a bad choice. Racially, South Carolina is very much more aligned with

national demographics. You know, I was 90 percent white. South Carolina is 69 percent white. That is much closer to the U.S. population. You could look at other demographics. You could say, well, what about education? What about age? What about you can always pick and say this state is more representative in this way, but that state is more representative. OK, we could do that. One thing is for sure. Iowa is neither representative nor should it be first every time around. So we floated different ideas over time. What about a different order? Every election cycle, it could be randomized. So one year it's one state that goes first one year.

It's another or picking particular states. I think South Carolina is a fine state to go first. I think moving on to New Hampshire, Nevada, Georgia, Michigan, these are certainly more representative states in many ways than Iowa. The reason this is now becoming particularly contentious is that you might remember that in 2020, South Carolina saved Joe Biden. Joe Biden was not doing particularly well in those early primaries. Now, you could say, well, he wasn't doing well, but those were early primaries, not representative of the National Democratic electorate. That'd be one perspective. So you could say it made sense that

when you got to a more representative state like South Carolina, Biden did well and then he went on to win. The counterpoint to that is that the South Carolina situation was very much stage managed to deny Bernie the nomination and to get Joe Biden the electoral votes that he not the delegate votes, delegate numbers that he needed. And you might remember that James Clyburn came out and endorsed and strongly supported Joe Biden, followed by a number of other candidates, including Pete Buttigieg, who dropped out at a time that was very convenient for Joe Biden. So although this would make sense any year, this particular election cycle, it really does seem pointed at helping Joe Biden, who has not yet announced his reelection campaign, but is indeed

expected to. Let me know your thoughts. Does this make sense? Because it makes sense. Does it make less sense because it specifically is likely to help Biden? What do you think? Make sure that you weigh in, which you can do on our Instagram by finding us at David Pakman show or, of course, on the YouTube channel, which exploded after I came to you with tears in my eyes for help at the end of January, added almost 45,000 new YouTube subscribers in January. Make sure you are one of the 1.6 closing in on 1.7 million. We'll take a quick break and be right back. that uses plants and behavioral science to trade out your negative habit for a positive one. Fume is not a vape. It's a non-electronic device designed to transform your negative habits

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Luke Beasley, whose channel you can find at David Pacman dot com slash Luke, went to Donald Trump's South Carolina event. This was that extraordinarily low energy event that Jesse Dollimore covered for us last week. Now, this is a completely whacked group of people that went to this event. And I'm going to play some clips of Luke speaking to them in a moment. But one of the things that many of you have emailed me about is, David, I'm worried about Luke. Many of you said it is. Is he is he safe at these events? And at this event, for the first time that I'm aware of, people started shouting insults and threats to Luke as it became clear that he was asking completely respectful, but certainly adversarial questions as he conducted his interviews. We're

going to get to that and we've got to talk about Luke's safety in a bit. We're going to first start with we will call him guy number one. Let's just get right into it. I present these without any introduction. This is pretty wacky stuff. Buckle up. I know what the truth is and I believe everything that happened in January six is going to be revealed every bit of it. And now we know what happened on January six. I don't know exactly what you're referring to. So what would you say that is? What occurred on January six? Talking about Nancy Pelosi, what she instigated and the information she's got will be found on her laptop and that will be eventually it will be revealed to the American

people. It's not just Hunter's laptop now. It's Nazi Pelosi's, as he says. So Nancy Pelosi instigated January six. She did. What would be the purpose of them coordinating this? Great question. What's the end game? The end game is to get Trump out so he doesn't win the presidency. Of course, Trump is out. The 2020 election, I believe, was stolen. I think majority of the people here believe that. 2022 was stolen. They did it again. So let me pose this to you. If their goal was to get Trump out of office and the certification was what was going on during January six, meaning they were doing the process to get Trump out of office, right? Certifying Biden's win, then causing January six would be the opposite of what they want because it

absolutely perfect question. Why would they interrupt the process to remove Trump if what they want to do is remove Trump interfere with the certification, right? I didn't get that last part. The actions of January 6th actually interfered with the certification. So doesn't it kind of not make sense that the Democrats would have instigated January 6th if that got in the way of the certification, which they wanted, because that was going to cause Biden to become president. I just believe that. I am not artificially extending the silence, folks, just so you know. He doesn't know. He doesn't know.

Presented with a simple question. He doesn't know. Still speaking to guy number one here. Trump is really in control, he says. But if bad things happen, those aren't Trump's fault. What? And I believe God is in charge of the whole thing. He's got everybody in the place that he wants him at. He put Trump in there in 2016 and I actually believe that Trump is president right now. Whoa, really? I did. And I, he's in, in control through the military. Is this mental illness? The military has more power over the federal government and state government military law.

How would you describe kind of as you know what happens? They know what happened during the election. They believe they have proof of it. And that will be revealed. And right now, how would you describe the state of America? It's not good. This is a brilliant set of question by Luke, by the way. He's really getting good at this.

It's not good. And so because Trump's in control, would you blame him for that? No, no. Why not? Well, because I think things are getting better. Think of that, folks. Trump's really in charge right now. Oh, and how are things going terribly?

So since Trump's in charge, is that Oh, and how are things going? Terribly. So since Trump's in charge, is that his fault? No. Why not? Because things are getting better. Absolutely brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. We then go to lady number one. Let's see what she had to say to Luke here. Besides Trump, what do you want to hear from him? What did you before they got close? I've heard everything I've wanted from him. I want him to take down all the people who are in place right now. Right. So this is super simple question, but somehow I do get different answers to it. Who's the president right now?

Time will tell. Time will tell, okay. She can't tell you who is president, but time will tell us that it will come out. Mom, we're not going to know. I know. And, you know, OK, God knows and the woman knows who is president, but we're not going to know. That's very, very interesting. Now, then we go to guy number two.

Guy number two proposes a different idea altogether about what took place on January 6th. supporters angry about the statements Trump was making attacking the Capitol? What do you think happened? What was Nancy Pelosi coordinating or something? Right. Well, I've definitely investigated the situation. I was there. There were buses that came in and all one has to do is take pictures of those tags on those buses, go to those bus companies and track who paid for them. You were there where? At Jane's 6. In the Capitol? I was not on the lawn. The day before when Enrique, a member of the Proud Boys, was busted in the airport with... He's talking about Enrique Tarrio. ...magazines that they retailed to try to make money for their cause.

I knew that the mayor and something was going on. So take a quick pause. The FBI hasn't knocked on my door yet, but I was smart enough to turn around and get back. Yeah, he wasn't going to be picked up as a patsy, that's for sure. So we're sticking with this guy. And he also seems to stumble upon this idea that someone else is in charge. He believes it's Barack Obama. Speaker 4 I believe the military is in charge right now. Speaker 5 Oh, this is what I've heard before. So if the military is in control, do you mean they're running everything? Biden isn't.

Speaker 4 We know Biden's not. Biden's definitely not running anything. I believe President Obama is actually calling shots right now. And everything that I've researched is pointing toward that. Do you understand the amount of research this man has done? And all of it points to Obama is in charge. But who's who's going to sit back and watch all this happen? Mike Lindell proved beyond a reasonable doubt that enough cheating went on in that election that it would have changed the outcome. Obviously, many would say he didn't. But to move on from that, speaking of Mike, obviously, the facts don't point to that at all. Lindell, he's predicted multiple times that by this date, Trump will take back over as

president. The military will bring him in. Does it not make you go away? Maybe the claims he's been making about other things are also lies because he lied about this or at least falsely predicted something about this. I don't believe Mike Lindell's got a bad bone in his body. He is a true Christian. I ministered for years. This guy also not only

did he research and found that it's Obama who's in charge. He also was a minister and knows that Mike Lindell is really an amazing Christian. OK, now we go to guy number three. Here was we start with who is the president? And sounds like a simple question, but I get different answers to it. Who's the president right now? Definitely not Joe Biden. Interesting. And who is then? I want to say it's a, we're being, it's a movie. If you think about it. I'm going to need elaboration on that. Yeah. Who's president? Not Biden. Who is president? Well, it's a movie. There's way too much things going on behind the scenes to even look at what's going on

the mainstream TV. You understand? You get that? All right. And then I would be like, no, I don't get that dude. Diving into that. What's going on behind the scenes? It's hard to even fathom what end of the... This guy clearly, he knows we're not

getting the truth, but he doesn't know what the truth is. It's a good way to put that word for you. The amount of pedophilia that's in this system is insane. Just jammed up. Are you kind of just hearing that makes you think of, you know where we're going? Queuing on? I do. Yeah. No? I understand the queue thing, and there's a lot of speculation there, where I'm going. QAnon. Yeah. No, I understand the Q thing. And there's a lot of speculation there. But I am. I'll follow Q. And it may not shock you guys. This is a QAnon. Do your own research. I just don't hear speculation. The funny thing about do your own research is these people all claim to be doing their own research and they come away with crazy ideas. Like, for example, Trump's president or Obama's president or Nancy Pelosi's laptop holds the key or whatever.

Whatever research they're doing doesn't seem to be getting them any closer to sanity. You can pull up your own information and it's crystal clear. Do you know Mike Lindell? Yes. I love the man to death, but I'm so sick of seeing his commercials. Oh, right. So one of the things, he's a good example to me of this phenomenon that I see a lot in what would be called conspiracy theory circles, is making a bold prediction. Trump's going to become president by this period of time. It doesn't happen.

And then I get confused because the followers don't stop trusting him. Mike Lindell is predicted just around the corner. Trump's going to be by this August, whatever, and that hasn't happened. And why doesn't that cause you not to support them and think, oh, maybe what they're selling me is dishonest? Great question. Things have, they have channels they have to go through and things have to happen in certain way to happen. Even if it takes 50 years. So. All right. I'm sorry. I'm on the spot. I got you. All right. So anyway, this guy loses his train of thought and it only goes downhill from there. Then we get to guy number four and hear the threats start from off camera.

Good criticism of any system throughout this country is necessary. I don't think suppressing any type of criticism wrong or right is is one second. I'm going to get to you next. Just try not to be too loud. So now there's someone hurling, hurling abuse at Luke and then it gets worse. All right. Oh, God. This is exactly the stuff we were all worried about. Right. And so this is something we're going to have to talk about because this gets much worse. And as you can see, people looking around now looking over what's going on here. That's it. I thought you're talking about with our election processes, with our. You got to come interview if you're going to be making all that noise. I want to hear from you. Now, now, now other people start coming over saying, well, dude, you got to calm down. And I understand Luke's doing a really good job here.

But this is what when you're trying to focus in and do an interview and there's someone so close screaming stuff this loudly at you, it is not comfortable. This is the problem. No, it's OK, guys. Love positivity. It's right. Hey, guys, it's right. It's right. It's right. It's OK, guys. Love positivity. That's right. Hey, guys, that's right. It's right. It's right. It's right. Now, in in the defense of some of these folks, they're some of these Trump people are actually telling this guy, hey, you got to lay off. That's right. Listen, we're all Americans here. We look like it. See, this is the problem. This is the problem. Like, well, let's I wish like people like you and me could sit and have these discussions without things like this happening. You're still taking someone else's word for it. You're still believing into someone saying, hey, hey, trust me. See, this is the biggest problem now. We need to have discussions like this,

but there's always going to be a subset of the population that's going to. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. So Luke visibly flustered there. We then speak to a guy who believes that there's demonic oppression and Trump is really president. The guy's also wearing a Star of David. Again, just to just remember, folks, most American Jews are very liberal. Most American Jews do not believe in demonic possession.

Most American Jews do not believe Trump is really the president. All right. What about you here? What are you hoping to see and hear? I'm hoping to see the president of the United States, Donald Trump. And I came here because this country is in such bondage, in such demonic oppression. We are heading towards communism. It's in bondage and it's been afflicted by sadomasochism as well.

We need people to be praying for this. Hold on. I talked over. Just go back a second. We are heading towards communism. We need people to be praying for this country, to be praying for the president, Donald Trump, and to pray for people's eyes to be opened to the truth of where our country's heading because communism is a very real thing. It's it's real. There is no communism in the United States.

Marxism is a very, very real thing. We have Marxists running our country. Who? We have babies being killed after they're born. No. We have all of these. They're trying to take away our First Amendment. No. Trying to take away our Second Amendment. No. They're trying to destroy our Constitution. Pause. Let's do it one bit at a time. So you started off by saying President of the United States. Is that kind of because we love him or because you genuinely believe he's still the president? Both. OK. Then speaking to a guy with a Let's Go Brandon F.J.B. sweater and check out the word salad this guy delivers when Luke asks about the classified documents double standard. What's your response to the Biden classified documents scandal?

Yeah, it's just hypocritical, man. The way they responded to Trump's and then not so much scandal to his on the media just really shows the power between the two parties. But I think this does play a lot better into Trump's favor because they've really quieted down more on his media side ever since that happened. So I have heard a lot of the complaints from the right kind of being double standard. The DOJ is too aggressive to Trump. They rate him. But wouldn't you agree there's very different facts of the situation? Trump withholding the documents where Biden gave them up immediately. Yeah, it's just really just honestly a personal standpoint at that point kind of shows. This is where it goes off the rails. What is this guy talking about? A person that Trump is the kind of person

that Biden is to where Trump's going to stand for his word and what he believes is what's going to be his way while Biden is just going to play towards the system, which he's basically bought into and just kind of leaning towards that side of it. But if it would be illegal to have those documents, is it a positive to stick to his principles? At that point, you're already guilty for what you're having. Like, I'm not going to keep it. But yeah, at that point, I was like, incredible. I mean, sometimes I really do get the impression the people who are sometimes weighing in on this stuff have never actually thought through their opinion until the microphones in front of their face. And they would be much better off just saying,

hey, you know what? I haven't really thought about that. Let me I should think about that before I give you an opinion. But the mic is there and the camera turns on and they'll weigh in on whatever. Really good job by Luke. You can find Luke Beasley's channel. Go to David Pakman dot com slash Luke. And we are going to have to have a conversation about Luke's safety at these events because this would this one started to get quite ugly. And it's something we're going to talk about. All right. All of these clips find them on our YouTube channel, YouTube dot com slash the David Pakman show. We will have these on tick tocks and tick tock. We will have them on Instagram, Facebook, everywhere. Excellent

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The complaint was made by a man seeking work as a house aide whose bid for a job was rejected because he faced criminal wiretapping charges in Ohio. The man, Derek Myers, briefly worked for Santos's office before the offer was rescinded earlier this week, according to the letter. Meyer said in the letter he was alone with Santos on in his office on January 25 when the congressman asked him whether he had a profile on Grindr, a popular gay dating app. Then he said Mr. Santos invited him to karaoke and touched his groin, assuring him that his husband was out of town. Mr. Meyer's account could not be corroborated, but a spokeswoman for Representative Susan Wild acknowledged that this that his letter had been received by her office. Meyer said in an interview

he did file a report with the Capitol Police speaking to an officer over the phone on Twitter. He said he was making his complaint public for the sake of transparency. They are serious offenses and evidence and facts will speak for themselves if the committee takes up the matter. So one of the things that I think is important here is we don't want in our criticisms of George Santos to fall into homophobic tropes. And so as an example, George Santos lied about many things. He lied about his ethnicity. He lied about his work history. He lied about his educational history. He lied about his history in athletics. He lied about

his medical history. He appears to have lied about the death of his mother, claiming that she died at least twice and on and on and on. And also we have this thing where even though he says he was open, openly gay, he was married to a woman and these different things. I've stayed away from the married to a woman thing because I'm aware that in society, because of stigma and shame that is is launched at LGBT folks in many instances, there is a long history of gay men who also were married at some point to women. And so I've kind of stayed away from that because there's so much other stuff that we can criticize him for, even if I mean, like, you know, there's this conflict where he said he was he was openly gay. But we don't even really need to get into that. And I don't want to get anywhere near any of these homophobic tropes on the sexual harassment

thing. There are Republicans who are very quickly saying this is the problem with gay men, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That this is has nothing to do with him being gay. He is gay. So the guy he allegedly sexually harassed happens to be a man. But we have seen most elements of sexual harassment by members of the House and Senate that they are heterosexual. And so I want to be careful in our coverage of

this to stay away from anything approximating that homophobic trope. We've talked about the homophobic trope about gay men as pedophiles and the homophobic trope about gay men as sexual harassers. And we want to be clear in our coverage that that is not our story. Now, that all being said, I do think it's important to remember, for example, when former Democratic Senator Al Franken resigned after just the accusation of sexual misconduct, which turned out to be a tasteless joke that took place years before Franken was even in elected office. He took a tasteless, tasteless picture where he pretended he was going to touch a sleeping woman. And in their effort, I guess, to show how not like Republicans they are. Even many Democrats demanded Franken resign. And he did. And we want to be conscious of the differences in a lot of these

different circumstances. They are not all the same. Santos is very quickly becoming the prototypical Republican. That is for sure. And there's also the element of how stupid is this guy? And what I mean by that is got caught lying about everything under multiple investigations. And on January 5th, he has the audacity to allegedly do something like this in his own office. And yes, Democrats would have removed this guy a long time ago. Democrats aren't perfect. I don't care about the Democratic Party in any particular way. But on this issue, there is no chance in hell that if Santos were a Democrat and got caught doing the things he's got caught doing, there's no chance he is still in office.

And that is abundantly clear. My friends, let's talk about woke, especially and specifically the perversion of the term woke to the point where the anti woke guests don't even know what they're talking about and what they mean when they talk about woke before it was perverted by the American right wing. The term woke simply meant I have become aware of the causes of social justice through activism. Pretty benign. The idea was challenge the status quo, fight against systematic and systemic oppression to try to create a better world. Pretty benign. That is not what the term means anymore. And in fact, I don't even

know that anyone on the left is even still using the term in anything other than satirical fashion. And this is because over time, the term woke has been completely hijacked. Its meaning has become vague, ambiguous and has been almost erased completely because right wingers have turned the term woke into a pejorative. They use it to demonize. They use it to dismiss people advocating for social justice. If you identify an injustice, the right will dismiss your concerns by saying you are just a woke stir or go back to wokeokistan or whatever the case may be. But the very right wingers doing that don't even really know what the term means. Understand that right wing pundits are masters of playing the victim, of demonizing the opposition,

of engaging in binary thinking. Everything is either this or that. There are no gray areas in the world. And they are incredibly effective at convincing viewers to align with their ideology by using these dog whistles, by using these emotional appeals and using fear and anger. We've talked about that before as well to trigger an immediate response. The problem is many people don't even understand what they're angry about. And that very much applies to wokeness. They're against wokeness because of CRT and cat litter and Black Lives Matter or something. But they've never actually taken a moment to learn. Are the cat litter stories true? No, they're not. Is there anything about critical race theory that is valuable or that I might agree with in some way that doesn't matter? They've never taken the time

to understand, actually understand what are the grievances of the Black Lives Matter movement. And even if I disagree with execution, for example, or like, for example, me, I have concerns about the way in which anti-Semitism has pervaded Black Lives Matter. I can still understand the causes and the worthiness of many of those caught. No, no, no, no, no. They don't even really know what it means to be trans, but they're programmed to believe that it's it's wrong and it's woke. And these groups have all become so powerful and they're indoctrinating people and they're indoctrinating children. And this is how and why the term woke has become completely perverted. It is no longer. Of course, it is no longer a message to describe or a term to describe activism, social justice.

But it has actually become a tool for the right to reflexively throw out without understanding it to stop conversation. Remember when the right used to love to say to some on the left, being offended isn't an argument, right? You would have these conversations where, for example, during the era of of the gay marriage debate, such as it was, you would have this period where people on the right would go, I just believe marriage is between a man and a woman. And someone on the left would go, I find that offensive. And the person on the right would go, being offended isn't an argument. And I agreed on the right would go being offended isn't an argument. And I agreed with them being offense.

Being offended isn't an argument. They are now doing the exact same thing when they go. That's woke crap. We don't want woke crap. They are not making an argument. They are not addressing the merits or the facts or the substance of any particular position or issue. They are using a term that

much like I'm offended, just serves to shut down the conversation, dismiss people's concerns and disqualify their participation in those discussions. So understand the term itself has been perverted and we need to be aware of the way in which the right achieve that. We have a voicemail number. That number is two one nine two. David P. I will have more to say about my appearances in Florida last week, including on the Patrick Bet David show.

But here is one voicemail about the PBD podcast appearance. David, I just saw your interview with Patrick Bet David. Yes. And you nailed it. Thank you. You knocked him out of the park. He did not know his talking points. You did amazing.

I hope you will continue to do these kind of interviews, including on Rogan. I'm not sure which other ones you would do, but this guy who seems to think he knows what he's talking about. Right. And he's confronted by facts and he's knocked down. And you do it in a respectful way. I think those are the kind of interviews you need to keep doing, and I hope you keep doing them. Love the show. Peace out. Well, listen, I received both positive and negative comments about the PBD appearance. I actually do think I could have been better prepared in some areas. I didn't know what he was going to talk to me about, but there were areas where I felt I could have been better prepared. I think it went OK. You know, the thing about doing a lot of these, especially the ones

that are in person, is it's a ton of work. And last week I was I was on vacation anyway, so it sort of worked out. But often in order to do a single podcast appearance, I have to miss. Usually it's like two days of the show. We need guest hosts. All of this stuff costs money, logistics, etc. So it's it's really a logistical limitation. And they are more compelling when I'm in person than than via Skype. Like, I understand that. So I'm hoping to do more. The Lex Friedman thing got canceled. Lex canceled it. I don't know that Rogan's interested in ever having me on again, but we're going to try to keep doing a mix of stuff. And we will be publishing the PBD podcast with my comments very soon. And I appreciate everybody's thoughts on on how it went.

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