The David Pakman Show - 5/1/23: Fox News bloodbath post-Tucker, stunning polls reveal big trouble for Republicans

Episode Date: May 1, 2023

-- On the Show: -- Fox News has lost more than half of its audience in Tucker Carlson's old time slot after Carlson was fired and replaced albeit it temporarily by Brian Kilmeade -- A stunning new poll reveals the brutal bloodbath that could be the 2024 elections for Republicans -- Republican Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has a total meltdown when asked about his possible role in torture at Guanatamo Bay detention center -- Failed former President Donald Trump holds a campaign event in New Hampshire which immediately goes off the rails into a combination of painful tedium and obvious lies -- Attendees of Donald Trump's campaign event in New Hampshire are interviewed, and it is a reminder of how scary his supporters are -- Rudy Giuliani admits to a technique to suppress the Hispanic vote during his 1993 New York City mayoral election -- Montana Republican State Representative Kerri Seekins-Crowe appears to suggest that she would rather her daughter take her own life than be transgender on a confusing but definitively disgusting rant -- Donald Trump comes up with a conspiracy theory so insane during an interview with Fox News' Mark Levin that even Levin can't save Trump -- Voicemail caller doesn't like that The David Pakman Show has sponsors and doesn't understand why we have them -- On the Bonus Show: More people getting away with murder as unsolved killings reach new high, federal prisons want inmates to pay victims before making phone calls, sperm donor who fathered 550 kids ordered to stop, much more... 👂 MDHearing: Just $149.99 each + free charging case. Use code PAKMAN at https://mdhearing.com ✉️ StartMail: Get 50% OFF a year subscription at https://startmail.com/pakman 💻 Get Private Internet Access for 83% OFF + 4 months free at https://www.piavpn.com/David 🩳 SHEATH Underwear: Code PAKMAN for 20% OFF at https://sheathunderwear.com/pakman 🧻 Reel Paper: Code PAKMAN for 30% OFF + free shipping at https://reelpaper.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDPApril 20, 2023

. We're going to start today with two bloodbaths, one that is taking place and one that could take place a few months from now. The first one is a bloodbath in the Fox News ratings. And I know that this brings such great pleasure to so many in my audience. Some feel bad. But the most important thing is that this is a bloodbath that is taking place without any government overreach, without any suppression of anybody's speech or anything of the sort. It is a self inflicted bloodbath for Fox News. Fox News has lost half of its audience since firing Tucker Carlson during that time slot.

And there's a lot of different interesting layers to this. And many, many of you have been writing. Is this the end of Fox News? Well, no, it's not the end of Fox News writing. Is this the end of Fox News? Well, no, it's not the end of Fox News. But is this the end of Fox News as we knew it? Well, that's a different question. And we still have to wait and see the outcomes of multiple additional lawsuits that still remain in play, even though the Dominion lawsuit has been settled for seven hundred eighty seven and a half million dollars. Salon article. It's a bloodbath. Fox News loses more than half of audience after axing Tucker

Carlson. It's not just Tucker's slot, writes the article. Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham's ratings are falling to hundreds of thousands of Fox News viewers have switched off the channel after the network fired top primetime host Tucker Carlson last Monday. Substitute host Brian Kilmeade garnered one point three million audience members during that 8 p.m. time slot, down 56 percent from the three point oh five million viewers who tuned in to watch Carlson last Wednesday, according to Nielsen ratings. The dip allowed MSNBC's Chris Hayes to overtake Fox and ratings, a popularity contest that Carlson used to dominate.

The conservative host had an average audience of three point oh three million people for all of 2022. It was the second most popular program on cable after Fox's The Five. It is stunning to me that Fox's The Five is a popular show. It's almost completely unintelligible, but I guess it doesn't really matter when you're talking about Fox News. OK, we'll get back to that one approach for comment. Fox sent a statement saying for twenty one years it's been the most watched cable network

and it has a team that's, quote, trusted more by viewers than any other news source. Media reporter Brian Stelter noted in a tweet that Fox's audience ratings plummeted from two point six five million watching Carlson's final show to two point five nine Monday, one point seven million Tuesday, one point three million Wednesday. What's fascinating about that is that the relatively high ratings on Monday, which was Tucker's first show, gone. In other words, Brian Kilmeade's first show is the temporary host there. There was a lot of curiosity, sort of like a rubbernecking. How bad is it going to be? It turns out it's really bad. I mean, Kilmeade is not only meaningless to listen to, but also extraordinarily unentertaining and uncharismatic. And then a lot

of people said, well, if this is the replacement, then I'm out. And it sort of has gotten worse from there. So let's talk about this in a few different contexts. First of all, this isn't one of those. Oh, there's dirty tricks. There's free speech suppression and people are being limited by the woke mob or whatever else the case may be, as we have now established ad nauseum. Tucker Carlson had good ratings, but was a huge legal risk for Fox. And remember, Fox is unique as a cable news network in that it garners the vast majority of its revenues from fees that any of us who have cable pay. Even though I don't watch Fox, I have cable so I can watch the sports and things like that. And a couple of bucks, I guess somewhere between

two and four dollars of my cable subscription goes to Fox News, even though I don't watch Fox News. That makes Fox different than many of these other channels in that the other channels disproportionately rely on ad revenue. So the issue with Tucker was not an issue of audience. The issue was that he was a huge legal risk. And so what Fox decided to do was to fire Tucker Carlson. And I've already told you the reasons why Tucker's program partially responsible for disseminating the allegedly defamatory content that led to the seven hundred eighty seven million dollar settlement with Dominion responsible to some degree for the content that led to the ongoing

lawsuit from Smartmatic. You have a former staffer of Tucker Carlson's who has filed a lawsuit for alleged discrimination and misogyny, sexism, all sorts of that's a problem. And then you potentially have another forthcoming lawsuit from Ray Epps, who says that Tucker has made his life miserable by playing up a conspiracy conspiracy theory in which Ray Epps is some kind of FBI agent or actor instigating the January 6th riots. So Fox said this is a huge legal headache. Maybe one of the ways we can mitigate the damages we're going to end up having to pay is by saying we've taken care of what was one of the problems that caused these issues for us in the first place.

Fine. Fox News did that. No one coerced them into doing that. The viewers are mad and they don't like Brian Kilmeade and everybody is getting to make their own decisions. Nobody's being coerced here. Now, what's the counterpoint to all of this? While it's nice to see Fox suffering, not because we want to see people go hungry or whatever.

It's nice to see Fox suffering because they put out such terrible propaganda that is actively damaging and corrosive to American democracy and thinking that it's good that bad content suffer. It's alarming to see that a bunch of Fox's audience is not going to say, hey, you know what, I'm going to get my news from the AP and Reuters and for commentary, listen to, you know, I don't know, something much more moderate, some editorial page or whatever the case may be. A lot of the folks furiously tuning out of Fox News may well end up on even more extreme unhinged media outlets like Newsmax or OAN or who the hell knows what. And the United States has a major problem with people have gotten hooked on this sort

of thing. As we've talked before, Fox News, in some senses over the last two years since the 2020 election, became a victim of the monster it created. It knew we now know from text messages that they were perpetuating lies about the 2020 election. They knew Trump didn't really win. They knew that a van with sandwiches wasn't really proof that Trump actually won Michigan or they knew it. But they also knew their audience, which they've created, expects them to tell those lies. And so now we have a situation where people are addicted to this stuff and they want their manufactured outrage. They want their scapegoats. They want their lines like they used to get from Tucker

about immigrants make the country dirtier and whatever else the case may be. And this is everywhere. Just the other day, I was at a Trader Joe's and there was a young couple there, maybe mid to late 20s. And the guy was a heterosexual couple, meaning there was a man and a woman and the man. They were out. This is so insane. It sounds made up, but it's all too real. I was looking for a particular type of popsicle that my girlfriend likes. It's it's tangerine and apparently it's seasonal. So I was looking and saying, sir, ma'am, where is it? They didn't have it. But in that same freezer area, there's normally mochi. Mochi is delicious, absolutely delicious mochi ice cream. And they were out of the green tea mochi ice cream. And a guy says to his girlfriend,

Joe Biden screwed up the dairy supply chain. And that's why there's no effing mochi here. And I said, this has to be a I'm sure this guy's kidding. I'm sure this guy is kidding. And I kind of looked over and he wasn't kidding. OK, this is just a little meaningless anecdote about the type of completely unhinged scapegoating and outrage that the Fox News audience wants. So a real problem for Fox News. I'm sure they will figure it out unless they end up with billions more in settlements. All right.

Let's now go to some stunning new polling data, which reveals that there could be a brutal twenty twenty four election cycle coming for Republicans. And it is all revealed thanks to a Fox News poll. Now I want to remind people there's no hypocrisy in saying Fox News content is agit trash that should be flushed down the toilet. But we can look at their polling. Fox News polling is fine. It's relatively well rated and it's

generally pretty well done. Fox doesn't do the polling itself, just like CNN doesn't do its own poll. They hire a polling firm. OK, check this out. And this could really be a preview of what's coming. Fox poll shows Republicans in for a brutal 2024 election. Even Fox is admitting on air that the policies it pushes aren't all that popular with voters. They put up a poll and good for them for doing it, showing how popular certain proposals to try to mitigate gun violence are with the American people. And these are not shocking numbers to my audience because we've been looking at similar polling data for more than a decade since the Sandy Hook shooting in Connecticut. Background checks for guns. Eighty seven percent of Americans favor that. And again, that means in all cases, even interpersonal sales, all transactions must have a background check and force existing gun laws. Eighty

one percent. You've got to be 21 to buy all guns. That's not the law in a lot of places right now. Eighty one percent ban assault weapons. Eighty percent favor that. And only 45 percent believe that more citizens should be carrying guns. This is yet another issue on which the right wing media narrative has lost the average American. Now, obviously, you go to rural northern Indiana where I've spent some time and you ask people about these things. Very few people will want background checks for guns and they'll mostly be against abortion. Now, that's the other question that this poll looked at. Abortion should be 56 percent, say legal, and 43 percent say illegal. Now, when you ask the question this way,

this is the split 56 to 43. If you actually delve further into this and you explain to people, 99 percent of abortions happen before I think it's 21 weeks and you explain more about the reality of abortion, you actually get even more support for abortion just should just flat out be legal before 21 weeks. And yet there are states that have passed abortion bans far earlier than that. So there's a few different things here that I think are important to consider. This isn't really newsworthy in the sense that on policy, Republicans have been losing for a long time. In 2016, Trump eked out Hillary and it came down to under 100000 votes in three states. But then as the country continued to move more to the left, it actually hurt Republicans in election.

The 2018 midterms were not great for Republicans. In 2020, they lost even more, including the White House. election. The twenty eighteen midterms were not great for Republicans. In twenty twenty, they lost even more, including the White House. In twenty twenty two, it was going to be a red wave. And yet the Democratic majority in the Senate actually grew. It's interesting to have a red wave where Democrats gain seats in the Senate, although they did lose the House. And this all may be culminating in twenty twenty four. Now, I'm going to be doing some interesting podcast appearances coming up. And one of the things that I hope comes up is what's at stake in 2024, because we have another third of the Senate up for reelection, as we do every two years. That's

always the case. We have a presidential election, which may well be a rematch between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. And we will have what I believe will be an inflection point, a fork in the road, whatever metaphor you want to use when it comes to MAGA Trump ism. MAGA Trump ism has hurt Republicans dramatically, but it has hung on thanks to the likes of Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene and some others maintaining their seats in the House and elements of this in the Senate lunatics like Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz, even though Trump insulted Cruz's wife, Cruz has become a big Trump Trump ism, acolyte, etc. Republicans will decide in 2024, are we sticking with this direction?

And potentially losing, or are we actually going to go in a different direction altogether? So a ton is up for grabs in 2024. The Republican Party has made politics more important for young people with the issue of abortion. This was the problem we always knew would happen if Roe v. Wade were repealed. Yes, it would energize some people and they will want and try to do even more. But at the same time, you can no longer raise money to try to overturn Roe v. Wade. You have to deal with the consequences of it being gone. And the Republican strategy has always been to present themselves as an opposition to some kind of evil, something scary. Abortion through Roe v. Wade

mattered when Roe v. Wade was a thing. You've got to keep the wedge issue to keep voters scared so that they go out and vote with you. They won. Now, that issue has lots of its power. Now, I know that they've been saying, well, now we need a federal ban on abortion. It's fine that Roe v. Wade was overturned, but now we need to ban ban it outright federally. Short lived, really unpopular idea. It also wouldn't pass because we've got a Democratic Senate. So now they're saying, well, let's focus on trans anti woke, et cetera. But the polling isn't looking great on that either. So increasingly, they do need to try to steal, steal an election to win one. Trump tried it in 2020 and it didn't work.

And we have to make sure it doesn't work in 2024 either. But a potential bloodbath for Republicans coming up in what is now just 18 months. Incredible. If you or one of your parents is starting to lose your hearing, you're not alone. About 48 million Americans have hearing loss and only one in five people who would benefit from using a hearing aid are actually using one. Our sponsors, MD Hearing, create FDA registered rechargeable hearing aids that cost a fraction

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which is not yet a foregone conclusion. We're still going to have to wait and see whether DeSantis chooses to get into this race, a campaign for DeSantis that is rapidly collapsing before it even starts. Ron DeSantis had a complete and total meltdown when asked about this former Guantanamo Bay Detention Center detainee who has claimed that DeSantis observed when he was being tortured. Now, DeSantis for a long time has been saying, no, no, no, no, no, I wasn't I wasn't in any position of power at the time or whatever. And DeSantis just flips out here. And again, you can tell he is not ready to be confronted with tough, tough questions by journalists.

I don't think if this is how he reacts to a simple question and gets so heated and triggered, I don't see how he could possibly succeed on a debate stage with Donald Trump. Check this out. The latest DeSantis off the handle. No, no, not all. That's B.S. Totally. Who said that? How would they know me? OK, think about that. Do you honestly believe that's credible? So this is twenty two thousand and six. I'm a junior officer. Do you honestly think that they would have remembered me from Adam?

Of course not. They're just trying to get into the news because they know people like you will consume it because it fits your preordained narrative that you're trying to spin. Focus on the facts. Attacking the person asking the question about newsworthy claims that have been made is not going to get you a lot of supporters in many circles, including Republican circles. A better thing to do would be to answer the question substantively. The problem is that in 2018, DeSantis also was asked about this, and he sure made it sound like he was very much involved

in what was going on at Guantanamo Bay in a facility. So it's limited. But some of the things they would do, they would do hunger strikes. And you actually had three detainees that committed suicide with hunger strikes. So everything at that time was legal in nature one way or another. So the commander wants to know, well, how do I combat this? So one of the jobs of the legal adviser would be like, hey, you actually can force feed.

Here's what you can do. Here's kind of the jobs of the legal advisor would be like, hey, you actually can force feed. Here's what you can do. Here's kind of the rules of that. Wow. He certainly seems to know super specifically the exact number of people that were subjected to this, that or the other thing, and says he was weighing in with opinions about exactly what to do that. So during the feeding, a group of officers arrived with the interpreters,

with the interrogators, they were behind the fence and I saw one of them was Ron DeSantos in a military uniform and he was, while I was screaming, yelling because I couldn't breathe of the inshore and was like,

I was bleeding because they really insert the fake to throw my nose. So I was like calling them, asking and he was actually laughing, looking at the other officers and smiling. Speaker 1 All right. Now, could this guy be lying? Absolutely. Absolutely. But the totality of how DeSantis is handling these questions, given his eagerness to show how specifically he knew about every detail of what was being done there. Do we believe that on a place as small as Guantanamo Bay, DeSantis would have been advising about exactly what to do and yet never present at these events?

Very difficult to believe. Cut to now getting angry at the reporter for even asking the question. He is not ready for primetime. I hope that he does run because it's abundantly clear that his campaign would be a complete and total humiliating mess. Maybe he can mess up Trump's campaign to some degree. But as far as a serious presidential candidate, DeSantis is truly lacking. Let's now go to another guy who should have no business anywhere near the presidency.

Donald Trump. Donald Trump kicked off his New Hampshire wing of the presidential campaign with a speech late last week in that state in Manchester, New Hampshire. It was one of the most pathetic speeches I can recall from Trump doing the woe is me stuff to a degree I've never seen Trump's face as usual, his right eye almost completely swollen, shut Trump seeming agitated and irritated. But hilariously, he kicked off the event announcing this is a major announcement. He is no longer going to use the crooked nickname for Hillary Clinton. He is now going to call Joe Biden Crooked Joe Biden, which is just super creative and exciting. But the crowd

seemed to like it. Crooked Hillary Clinton. But today I'm going to do this and I think this could be maybe the most important part of what I'm going to say, because this is going to be a major announcement. Are you ready? her moniker and I'm going to give her a new name. I don't know, like maybe lovely Hillary or beautiful Hillary, but I'm going to retire the name crooked so that we can use the name for Joe Biden because he'll be known from now on as crooked Joe Biden. Just absolutely electrifying the crowd. And of course, as you all know, that'll get six million more people health care. So that's really something that is actionable and important for a presidential candidate to be talking about.

And this was that was one of the better parts of the speech. I hate to tell you. And the New Hampshire crowd, particularly sycophantic, Trump bringing up Kim Jong Un, Kim Jong Un, and talking about how great of a relationship he had with the dictator. Speaker 4 South Korea, we take care of their economy. We take care of it. Speaker 1 By the way, being more critical of South Korea than North Korea here. Speaker 4 We take care of the military. They're right next door to Kim Jong Un. He and I have a very good relationship. People would say it's

not good to have a good relationship. It's very good to have a good relationship. It really is. But he's not so happy with Biden. He says bad things about Biden. But what I really. Yeah. Trump still seems to think that when dictators like you, it says something good about you. Now, of course, the truth is far more complicated than that. But this idea that we should be concerned that Kim Jong Un doesn't like Biden, if it's true. Right. No, we should have been concerned by the degree to which Kim Jong Un felt he could roll right over Trump. And I actually recently read the new Bradley Hope book about North Korea, which I recommend to people.

And it actually outlines a lot of the ways in which the Trump foreign policy towards North Korea, to the extent that there was foreign policy rather than just Trump's ego running everything. Very much worth reading Bradley Hope's new book about North Korea. Now, at another point during the speech, Trump quotes Lenin and refers to him as Lenin. And this is another one of these things where we just don't really know how Trump gets into this. You know, Lenin, Lenin, did anyone ever hear of Lenin? He said the vote counter is far more important than the candidate. Has anyone ever heard?

That's right. Lenin, Lenin, as they say, as they say in Russia. I almost thought Trump was going to be quoting some lyrics from the great song Imagine, written, of course, by John Lenin. But he didn't. He was quote quoting Vladimir Lenin there. Trump seemingly justifying just not debating in the Republican primary. And he talks about how Nixon and Reagan and Bush didn't debate. But of course, you know, it was a completely different

situation in that there was not actually a primary in those cases. Listen to this. And this is Trump starting to pre lay the groundwork to not participate in debates that might not go well for him. Speaker 4 The team of the go prevent, say, bet on the opponent and then they want to do something on the debates. Speaker 5 Think of this.

They want to debate. They want to have I have people at one half of one percent, one quarter of one percent, one percent, three percent, two percent, four percent, seven percent. And DeSantis is very low and crashing. He's crashing and burning. Don't forget, when he came to me, he was at three percent. So he failed in his campaign. He said, sir, he endorsed him, which I could have done without. But I endorsed him and he went up a lot. But he went up and he won. But when he came riveting stuff, as you can tell, paid for a long time, he failed. And now he's failing again because now he's getting a chance to campaign without Trump,

to put it mildly, to put it mildly. But so these debates, you know, Nixon and Reagan and Bush, Bush, number one, others know they didn't debate in the primaries. Now, why didn't they debate in the primaries? It was because they were sitting presidents running for reelection. Of course, the difference is Trump is not currently the president, although maybe he thinks he is. Maybe his followers think that he is. So there's an open Republican primary. That's just the reality. Trump then weirdly turns on one of his earliest and strongest supporters, Senator Lindsey Graham, who was recently on TV crying because Trump needed money. He calls Lindsey Graham a progressive. This is a really strange moment. It's called reciprocal, reciprocal, reciprocal. So if India charges our companies 100, we charge their companies 100.

It's very simple. And yet we have people in Congress that say, no, I don't think that's good. Anybody that says that's no good. Very interesting. Lindsey Graham, the progressive from South Carolina and the crowd booze. I thought they liked Lindsey. No, he's a progressive, but he's got some good things to do. OK, but Lindsey Graham, I said to him, Lindsey, you got to go along with this. We were all set to get it done. You got to go along with this. He says, so let me let me get this straight. If they charge us, we charge them the same thing. He said it's not his strength. Other things are his strength. He said so. They charge us. We charge them the same thing,

right? Yeah. You got my vote. That's so easy. All right. So I guess Lindsey Graham, you know, when I think of your classic progressive, I, of course, think immediately of Lindsey Graham. Really strange moment. Trump did that disgusting anti transgender weightlifting routine. And this really, really, really titillated the crowd. Probably the most electrifying moment of the speech. Should I do it? I'm going to do it. All right. That's Trump's visibly straining to lift weights, which is really one of the favorite thing. I mean, the crowd was pretty dead throughout.

So that that wound him up a little bit. Trump did deal with policy, but sort of dealt with policy by saying he will put in his travel ban again. And he mentioned something about you saw that. Right. But of course, it's like never clear what he's talking about. And I will restore my travel ban to keep radical Islamic terrorists out of our country. You saw what happened four years, four years.

We went four years. You saw that, right? We were very tough on that. We don't want our buildings blown up. We don't want to have problems. The back out of here. So Trump, Trump also took questions, which was hilarious because he didn't answer any of them. Here's someone who asked him, how will you engage with Generation Z voters? And Trump just basically said, oh, we're already doing it. Like, oh, I read problem solved, I guess. Thank you very much. God bless you.

My name's Christine. I'm from Atkinson, New Hampshire. And engaging with young voters is crucial here in New Hampshire, we have American First warriors like Caroline Leavitt. How do you plan to engage with Gen Z voters? Well, I think we're doing that. And I tell you what, you would be shocked, like Charlie Kirk and others, the job that they do with their youth. It's a youth movement. It really is. That's another

movement. You would be shocked to see how popular we are in college campuses. Much different than what you read. Yeah, well, we we actually have the election results from 2020 and 2022. They are not engaging with Gen Z. And in fact, what's been going on with abortion is probably only going to turn off more Gen Z voters. So a ridiculous speech, but the crowd liked elements of it. So that gets us to our next question. Who goes to a speech like this? You might be wondering. Trump has an event at 4 p.m. on a Thursday in New Hampshire. Who goes to such a speech in the middle of the work day on a Thursday in New Hampshire? Well, the great thing is we have video of who goes there.

Let's take a look. They actually interviewed on Right Side Broadcasting a young guy who says that Trump inspired him to maybe run for office one day at school. They tell him he's he's a racist and sexist. But Trump has inspired this kid or something like that. Look at this. Future leaders of America. So what's your plans? You're the you're you're the youngest one right now in Connecticut. Where do you see yourself in 10 years? I don't even know what that means. I'm the youngest one in Connecticut. But now,

well, I got inspired by a man, you know, quite well. His name's Donald Trump. And my goal someday is to get higher up in politics. I don't really know where that's going to lead me, but I keep the same principles that he has. Never give up, never give in, never back down. And as a young conservative, I've taken a lot of heat, especially in school. I've been called all the labels, racist, sexist. I've been yelled at by teachers because I stood for the Pledge of Allegiance when no one else would else would So I've kind of learned that especially in Connecticut, which is a quite liberal state You got to stand for what you believe in So I'd like to maybe move up and run for office when I'm done pursuing my education

You know get that degree under your belt and hopefully maybe one day run for a national office That's what you got to do. I love it. Let's just give a good shout out on his outfit here. I love the Red pants the kid is wearing office. That's what you got to do. I love it. Plus, just give a good shot on his outfit here. I love the red pants. The kid is wearing a blue suit jacket that has white stars on it. It's sort of like a flag version of a suit, I guess. I'm going to move on without any further commentary on this one. I think it's a minor. It's just it all is a little bit icky.

But I'll just say that that's really, really sad video. They then interviewed another individual who I guess is legally an adult. And this guy says he's an atheist, but he also is a Christian conservative. Very interesting. Oh, if I'm open and honest, I'm an atheist, but I align more closely with a Christian conservative worldview. And so I pretty much support Christian conservatism, that for that whole moral compass. And so that's what I stand for.

Yeah, I mean, that's that's really sad in that it is so mixed up and jumbled. I'm an atheist, but the morality of Christian conservatism strikes me as correct. Therefore, I am going to support candidates who actually think that I, as an atheist, should have a subservient or secondary status to them because they believe that we should have a country that is overtly Christian in terms of civil government. It's all really, really whacked. Now, here's my favorite moment from this, OK? There is an remember ivermectin, one of these cures that didn't cure nor prevent covid that was being floated by many on the right. They have a new

commercial on right side broadcasting. I guess the guy who recommended ivermectin to Trump has some supplement that will ward off spike protein, which they have. There's almost nothing true. But the funniest part about this is the the broadcaster on right side broadcasting. Her diction is so terrible and she barely even understands what she's reading and at one point refers to ivermectin as ivermectin. Just I can't imagine they sold any of these pills based on this ad protein spike protein is the toxic substance that attaches to your cells to allow mRNA to enter worse. Both COVID and the vaccine function by using spike proteins to attach to your cells. Many of us have become overloaded with excess spike protein from our surroundings over the

past three years and haven't made the connection between not feeling 100 percent. None of this is true. I hope I want to make really clear. None of this is true. It's a grift on a grift on a grift on a grift. And spike protein overload. This is a sad reality that we all have to address. Fortunately, there is help.

The chief medical board at the Wellness Company, including Dr. Peter McCullough, the doctor that recommended Ivermectin. Ivermectin. Remember when we took Ivermectin guys and hydroxychloroquine to President Trump back in 2020, as well as renowned epi. All right. So they're selling a pill that from the guy who brought you Ivermectin, they have a pill to get rid of spike protein that you might have absorbed from bananas in the grocery store. It's just the spike is all in our environment, which is really, really crazy. Then they got back to interviewing people. They found a guy at the Trump rally who remember the Trump rally was in Manchester, New Hampshire. He came up from New Jersey because he believes Trump was sent by God.

I think it's very important to support Donald Trump. If not, our nation goes down. I believe he was sent by God to preserve Abraham Lincoln's promise that a government of the people of the by the people of the four people will not perish. But I think it's rather ironic because I remember probably nobody else knows this. This armory in 1976, I was here when I was in high school. And this here's this is where Ronald Reagan gave his speech announcing that he was primary in President Ford. All right.

So a bit of a history lesson. And then the same guy mentions that he would also be willing to take a bullet for Trump and says a lot of the people at the rally would. My support, my support of Donald Trump is unwavering. I would take a bullet for the man seriously. And a lot of us would. And we're going to even if they wouldn't put him on the ballot, we write him in. There you go. Totally normal stuff. And by the way, let's hope that it is a write in campaign that somehow Trump loses the primary and these folks write him in. It would a guarantee that Donald Trump loses. All right. Last thing and then we're going to move on.

Some people at this rally, just a random lame rally where Trump gave the same speech he always would a guarantee that Donald Trump loses. All right. Last thing and then we're going to move on. Some people at this rally, just a random lame rally where Trump gave the same speech he always gives with a little bit of additional hysteria. People camped out overnight after driving up from Florida. Born to ride for forty five is here. We came I came from Florida. Sixtieth Trump event. We love Trump.

A lot of us come across the country to come see the greatest president ever, Donald J. Trump. That's absolutely right. I'm from Tennessee. Got here last night. Flew in. Oh, he flew in. You guys got here. Was there anybody else in line? Oh, yeah. They set up the tent over here and stuff. They set it up at 4 o'clock yesterday. 4 o'clock yesterday. Let's go in here real quickly. We heard you guys were here at 4

o'clock yesterday setting up a tent. Where are you from? Where are you from, my man? I'm from New York City, the Bronx. The Bronx came all the way down here for President Trump. Of course. All right. So listen, it's a cult.

We shouldn't for a moment think that the cult has diminished as we head into 24. What we have to hope for and push for is that a lot of them are just bored because politics was just a shiny object and now they moved on and that others will be tied up with something else and just won't be as engaged with the exact same Trump message that he's been using for six years now and that on turnout, we end up preventing Trump from getting back into the Oval Office. But if for a second you believe the hardcore cultists are any less interested, let those interviews be proof that that is very, very much not the case. When you're using websites and apps, your device sends out data about you into the open, who you are, where you go, things you like. That data then gets sold around for

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York City, which he won, he used what he calls a trick to suppress the Hispanic vote. Except for the life of me, I can't actually understand what the hell he's talking about because undocumented immigrants can't vote. They can't register to vote. They're not citizens. So the backstory on this election is that Rudy Giuliani won the 1993 New York City mayoral election by about 50000 votes, and he became the first Republican elected mayor of New York City at that point since John Lindsay in 1965. John Lindsay in 65 was a Republican. Then it was a bunch of Democrats in New York City as mayor. And then we got Rudy Giuliani in 1993. So we're going to take a look at a clip. Giuliani is on.

I guess this is Steve Bannon's show. And he's sitting between Steve Bannon and Carrie Lake. And he explains the trick that they used. OK, take a listen to this. It created a deterrent effect. The fact that we did it and John and I were talking about that today. The fact that we were doing it, we made it very public that we were doing it. And then I'll tell you one little dirty trick. One little dirty trick. A dirty trick in New York. A dirty trick in New York. I'm so shocked. No, but played by Republicans. By Republicans. Republicans don't know dirty tricks. How about this one? OK, give it to me. So they went through East Harlem, which is all Hispanic, and they gave out little cards, and the card said, if you come to vote, make sure you have your green card because INS are picking up illegals.

Oh, my gosh. So they spread it all over the Hispanic. After the election, the Clinton Civil Rights Division investigated me. I was on vacation after the election, and I get a call from my lawyer, Denny Young, and he says, Rudy, the Justice Department's investigating us. Janet Reno's coming after us. We violated civil rights. I said, Denny, you're a lawyer. Think about it. What civil rights do we violate? They don't have civil rights, but we all we did is prevent people who can't vote from voting. Maybe we tricked them. But trick tricking is not a crime. Oh, and in those days we didn't have crazy prosecutors. Nowadays,

they probably prosecute you for it, even though it is. And that's the way we kept down the Hispanic vote. What a powerful story. How Rudy miraculously, heroically and bravely suppress the Hispanic vote in 1993. Now, there's two stories. Is this a logical strategy and that it actually happened? So the one issue with it as a strategy, of course, is undocumented immigrants can't vote. They can't register to vote. So I guess the idea here was. Even if you're like, I actually don't understand whether this is the thing where they wrongly believe undocumented immigrants vote, because remember, undocumented immigrants can't even get on the voter rolls because only citizens can vote.

Do they wrongly believe undocumented immigrants are voting? Or is the idea that they wanted to trick legal immigrants into thinking, if I don't bring documentation that I'm here legally, they might just because of my appearance, think I'm here illegally. And if I don't have my papers on me, then all of a sudden I'll get in trouble and I won't be able to vote. So that sounds complicated. So I'll just stay home. Like it's actually hard to know exactly what the idea is, but it does seem as though this was a thing. I reviewed some documents. There is a document from what from the Department of Justice

from contemporaneous to when this was going on, which says the Department of Justice and the FBI are conducting an investigation to determine who prepared and posted these notices. And this refers to again, you go back to a 1993 Washington Post article. It says justice said to be probing New York vote suppression. Justice Department officials are investigating complaints of efforts to keep voting down in Democratic leaning minority neighborhoods in the New York City mayoral election, according to sources involved. Black Mayor David Dinkins, Democrat, was defeated by Republican challenger Rudolph Giuliani in a in a contest that produced perhaps the most racially polarized voting pattern in the city's history. Among the complaints

are the placing of signs on telephone poles and walls in Latino areas warning, quote, federal authorities and immigration officials will be at all election sites. Immigration officials will be at locations to arrest and deport undocumented illegal voters. This is the key line. It is unclear how the signs would intimidate naturalized U.S. citizens, the only immigrants eligible to vote. So the article accurately identifies you're going to

intimidate people who can't vote anyway. Now, with what is it, 30 years of hindsight, we now understand where this went. Nineteen ninety three. Rudy did this in the New York City mayoral nineteen ninety four. This new wave of Gingrich Republicanism took over the House of Representatives. And it's been a path from that to where we are today. Republicans that blame society's problems on scapegoats, immigrants from Latin America being a very popular one. They've now shifted to, well, we'll blame it on trans people, Marxists who don't exist or whatever else the case may be. But it's all that same idea. And you can find it back then. The he he's telling us that he did it. He's admitting to the entire thing. And it is wild and wacky stuff. I am going to admit to you, this next story is a little bit

confusing. The story is about a Montana Republican lawmaker who seemingly suggested during a floor speech that she'd rather her daughter kill herself than transition to being a trans male. Now, the confusing part of this is we don't know whether this woman's daughter actually is trans or has expressed symptoms of gender dysphoria. We just don't know because the clip is confusing. This is state representative from Montana, Carrie Seekins Crowe, doesn't say her daughter is trans, but says her daughter is or was suicidal for three years and that she would rather her daughter be suicidal than do the emotional manipulation that I guess she considers claiming to feel as though you're a different gender

would be in her mind. It's definitely disgusting. It's obviously the type of thing someone who shouldn't be a parent says. But it is a little bit confusing. Let's listen. Speaker 4 One of the big issues that we have heard today and we've talked about lately is that that without surgery, the risk of suicide goes way up.

Well, I am one of those parents who lived with a daughter who was suicidal for three years. Okay. Someone once asked me, wouldn't I just do anything to help save her? And I really had to think. The answer was no. And the answer was no. No.

I was not going to give in to her emotional manipulation because she was incapable of making those decisions. And I had to make those decisions for her. I was not going to let her tear apart my family. And I was not going to let her tear apart me because I had to be strong for I had to have vision for her life when she had none, was incapable of having none. So she doesn't straight up say my daughter expressed that she's trans, but she said it was an emotional manipulation. And if your child is suicidal and you call it an emotional manipulation, whether they're trans or not, that's really something else. And remember, these are the folks who want to decide who should and shouldn't be parenting children.

Right. These are the same folks who then will say, you know, I don't think a gay couple should adopt or shouldn't be able to, you know, work with a surrogate or whatever. These are the folks who want to tell everybody else how you shouldn't who shouldn't shouldn't be allowed to parent. This is like Westboro Baptist Church level stuff. There is something called narcissistic parenting. And you can Google this and read a lot about it. When a narcissist focuses their lack of empathy and their delusions of grandeur towards their child, that's narcissistic parenting. And sometimes narcissistic parents view their child as an extension of themselves of themselves. So therefore, they say, well, the child exists for my needs and therefore I'm going to say something like, oh, you're suicidal.

Oh, you're saying that you're trans. That's an emotional manipulation. I'm going to decide for you this, that the other thing based on what I think is best for me right now. Whatever the full details of this story are, a disgusting woman who no doubt claims to have the moral majority. It's April, which means Earth Month is here. This is the time to consider the products you buy and the impact they have on our planet. So if you're still using conventional toilet paper in your home, there's no better time to switch to reals. One hundred percent bamboo toilet paper. Thirty million trees are destroyed every year for toilet paper in the US alone. Real paper makes toilet paper from one hundred percent bamboo stocks which grow forever. No cutting down trees.

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Fox News host Mark Levin has been doing a series of Sunday night interviews with the failed former President Donald Trump. But last night's was so absurd that Levin couldn't possibly save Trump when Trump raises a conspiracy theory so insane that it obviously doesn't make any sense based on the facts. But it is such a verbal inkblot that you couldn't possibly clean it up. The topic was the pandemic and Chinese tariffs. And Trump's claim is that China made and released covid as punishment to Trump and the United

States of America because Trump charged China so much money in tariffs, which ignores the fact that Trump still doesn't understand how tariffs work. Listen to this. This is Mark Levin can't possibly do anything with this to save Trump. China. I was very from I was probably the first one. I said he came from the lab in Wuhan. I knew that for one thing. You saw body bags all over the place around that lab. You know, there were body bags all over that area and nobody talks about it. But Levin is trying to stay as still as possible to maybe blend into the background and not

even be visible in Wuhan. You had through satellite pictures and other things. You had pictures. Body bags all over the place and you could see little lines, you know, from way up, but they couldn't be anything else. But I said and I've said right from the beginning, it was the lab in Wuhan. It got out. It got out of the lab. I think it was incompetence. I really believe it was incompetence. More, you know, people said I was charging China so much money in

tariffs and taxes that a lot of people said they did it to get me out. But we did great in that election. We did. I understand what Trump is saying. OK, think about how bonkers this is. The tariffs that he was charging China. Angered them so much that China made and released covid, mostly killing people in other countries. Like remember, most of the deaths were not in the United States in order to get Trump back. Now, there's a couple of little problems with this. One is that's that's not how tariffs work. Trump still doesn't get that. When you put tariffs on Chinese products imported to the United States, American companies pay the tariffs. You are charging American companies more.

You're not charging China. So it makes no sense on principle. But of course, of the six point eight million official covid deaths only and I say only like it's not a lot, it's an insane number. But the point is, proportionately of the six point eight million covid deaths, only one point one million were in the United States. So China, to get Trump back for tariffs that they didn't actually pay, did something to kill five point seven million people in other countries, including their own in order to kill some people in the US, many after Trump left office as punishment for Trump's tariffs, which they didn't pay. This is so stunning, stunningly stupid that even Mark Levin

says nothing and is just motionless like a statue. Trump then brings up Abraham Lincoln and says that he has actually been treated worse than Abraham Lincoln. Remember, Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. Say that Andrew Jackson was the most vilified president. It was his wife died during this thing. And they said such horrible things. And he had a very tough presidency. He was a very good president. He was a great general and a good president. Abraham Lincoln, they say, was, you know, he had a very tough presidency. He was a very good president. He was a great general and a good president. Abraham Lincoln, they say, was, you know, he had a civil war going on. They say it? But Abraham Lincoln was just vilified.

But now they say Trump got treated the worst of all. Really? Because what they did is they came up with phony stuff. Russia, Russia, Russia. It was all hoaxes. The Mueller witch hunt, which turned out to be no collusion. You know, after two and a half years, no collusion. I could have told them that the first day and they had the laptop. They could have figured that out because on the laptop, if you look at it, you could have figured that out easy. But there's never been anything despite that. Is this the most demented, malignant narcissist public figure of all time?

They say that Trump was treated worse than Lincoln. Lincoln was shot in the head and killed. Trump was investigated for pretty obvious wrongdoing. And then Trump claims that he sent former German Chancellor Angela Merkel a white flag of surrender to symbolize Germany, I guess, surrendering to Russia. I didn't allow Germany to get away with what they were doing. I sent Angela Merkel a white flag of surrender because I said, when you made the deal with Putin, you're getting 68 percent of your energy from somebody that you had numerous wars with world wars.

I said, so I'm going to give you the white flag this way. You don't have to look it up when you surrender to Russia someday. Yeah, it'd be like the U.S. doing business with Germany, even though in the past we were on opposing sides of a war. Oh, wait a second. We do that all the time. What kind of an argument is that? And if you remember, I made a speech at the United Nations and the Russian delegation.

That's when everybody laughed and thought it was extremely funny when I mentioned that they shouldn't be doing it. A year later, most of those guys were fired. It was actually the entire room that was laughing at Trump because that speech was so ridiculous. Lastly, Trump takes credit for the Olympics in South Korea being a sellout. It started off rough. Remember that I was saying a little rocket and you're not going to get it. And I was saying a little rocket man. And he was saying, I've got a red button on my desk and I'm

willing to use it. And I say, I have a red button, too, and mine's bigger and mine works and all sorts of things. It was very nasty. And then all of a sudden we get a phone call. They want to meet. And then I made the Olympics success. Remember, in South Korea, they were having the Olympics in nine months and nobody was buying a ticket because they didn't want to be have missile shot at them during the Olympic opening ceremonies. Under. Understand what Trump is saying. He's saying the South Korean Olympics would have been a failure had he not met with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, because people would have been scared of missile attacks during the Olympics in South Korea.

But thanks to Trump meeting with Kim Jong Un, where nothing was accomplished, by the way, that made the South Korean Olympics popular. This is a good time to mention I mentioned it, mentioned it earlier in the show. Bradley Hope has a new book called The Rebel in the Kingdom. It's not about Trump. It's actually about an activist related to North Korea. Fascinating book, extremely well researched. But because of the timing of when the book takes place, there's a lot in the book that

explains Trump's total failure when it comes to North Korea. I will admit I learned in the book that some of Trump's instincts from the dealmaking business world theoretically could have actually been effective with Kim Jong Un. They weren't because Trump's execution was a disaster and it really built up a more nuanced understanding for me of Trump dealing with North Korea. But if you really want to understand again, the book is not mostly about it, but the story will give you an understanding of Trump's failures with North Korea and Kim Jong Un. Get the book The Rebel in the Kingdom by Bradley Hope. I just finished reading it yesterday. We have a voicemail number. That number is two one nine two. David P. Here's a caller who doesn't like that we have advertisers and is asking why

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