The David Pakman Show - 7/7/23: Armed man tries going to Obama's house, Trump desperate for protests

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

-- On the Show: -- Donald Trump posted what was supposedly Barack Obama's home address, and a man showed up with a gun -- Donald Trump is increasingly desperate for people to protest in the streets for him, but he is struggling to find willing participants -- Caller talks about the politicization of the Supreme Court -- Caller is a former right-winger who was reformed by watching TDPS -- Caller compares Ron DeSantis to Donald Trump -- Caller suspects Ron DeSantis isn't ready for primetime -- Caller talks about Robert F. Kenedy Jr.'s candidacy -- Caller talks about right-wingers being ignorant about the difference between sex and gender -- Caller talks about red state restrictions on adult websites -- Caller asks about when AI deepfakes will be able to consistently fool people -- The Friday Feedback segment -- On the Bonus Show: Elon Musk threatens to sue Meta, Marjorie Taylor Greene kicked out of House Freedom Caucus, White House cocaine story is dumb, and much more... 🚲 Lectric eBikes! Shop for your new electric bike at https://lectricebikes.com 🌱 Ounce of Hope: Get 25% OFF with code PAKMAN at https://www.ounceofhope.com/ 🛡️ The first 100 people to use code PAKMAN will get 60% off of Incogni at http://incogni.com/pakman 👍 Use code PAKMAN for 10% off the Füm Journey Pack at https://tryfum.com/PAKMAN 🚲 Lectric eBikes! Shop for your new electric bike at https://lectricebikes.com 🛌 Go to https://helixsleep.com/pakman and use code HELIXPARTNER25 for 25% OFF + 2 free pillows -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

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twice impeached, failed former president. You know the guy I'm talking about, the guy who's orange. Trump posted Barack Obama's address or what he believed to be Barack Obama's address or what was supposedly Barack Obama's address. And even though it wasn't an armed man showed up and prosecutors now know all about it. The Associated Press reports Trump posted what he said was Obama's address. An armed man was soon arrested there. And the question I have for you as we read through this is, did Trump know exactly what

he was doing? Former President Donald Trump posted on a social media platform what he claimed was the home address of former President Barack Obama. On the same day, a man with guns in his van was arrested near the property, federal prosecutors said Wednesday, revealing new details about the case. The individual is a 37 year old Taylor Taranto, who prosecutors say participated in the January six riots on January six, twenty twenty one. He kept two firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition inside a van he drove across country and had been living in, according to the Justice Department motion that seeks to keep him behind bars. On the day of his June 29 arrest, prosecutors said Taranto reposted a truth social post from Trump containing what Trump claimed was Barack Obama's home address.

In a post on Telegram, Taranto wrote, quote, We got these losers surrounded. See you in hell, Podesta's and Obama's. That's a reference to John Podesta, who chaired Hillary's 2016 campaign. Taranto also told followers on his YouTube live stream he was looking to get a quote, good angle on a shot, good angle on a shot. Federal defender representing Taranto did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment, but a motion seeking to have him released pending trial. The lawyer wrote that in a motion, the lawyer wrote Taranto is not a flight risk and he served in Iraq. OK. All right. So does Trump know exactly what he's doing when he does this sort of thing? I believe that the term stochastic

terrorism applies here. Stochastic terrorism is a technical term that is the epitome of what we are seeing here. When we say stochastic terrorism, what we mean is when public figures or media outlets, sometimes it will be Fox News or others, they can inspire seemingly random acts of violence by spreading hateful or extremist messages to a large enough audience that is likely to be receptive to it. And it is historically outside of any legal liability. So I'll give you an example. In fact, we have real life examples. This guy, Glenn Beck, right wing nut. I think he has a show now on The Blaze or one of these right wing online things. He used to be a Fox News host, used to be a CNN host.

OK, for a while he would rant and rave about an organization called the Tides Foundation and he would say it's just a horrible organization. I don't even remember at this point. It's been so long what it was that was so bad about the Tides Foundation. But he would rant and rant and rant. He never directed any particular person to go and do anything to the Tides Foundation. But given that the audience of Glenn Beck was a right wing, conspiratorially minded audience, receptive to having their attention focused on whatever the scapegoat of the day or of the week was you could sort of predict in some general sense

that Glenn Beck's relentless focus on the Tides Foundation might inspire an act of violence against the Tides Foundation. You couldn't predict that, you know, Joe Schmoe, the third from Florida, would be the guy to do the act of violence. But you could say we know that some percentage of the population is suggestible in this way. And we know that Glenn Beck's audience is big enough where if it's even only point one percent of his audience that would hear him talk about the Tides Foundation and go and do something, that means there's at least a handful of people who would go and do it. And eventually this story ended less tragically than it could have ended, which was California Highway Patrol.

I again, the details elude me, but pulled over a guy with guns in his car going to the Tides Foundation because Glenn Beck had talked about it. That's stochastic terrorism. It's not that Glenn Beck directed in the way that you might say, OK, you're my accomplice for this crime. Go and do this thing. I'm legally liable. OK, I tell you to do it. Give you the means, give you the reasoning or what the inspiration.

It's not legal liability. So we use the term stochastic terrorism. That's what we're dealing here with Trump putting out what he claimed was Barack Obama's home address. You know, I used to think that Trump winning the 2016 election was one of the biggest disasters in American history. I don't know that I've given it enough credit. It's probably more like in modern world history, the election of Trump and the cult status of Trump as a leader to at least tens of millions of people, quite frankly,

probably one of the worst events, one of the biggest disasters in modern world history. And interestingly enough, Trump wants more people out protesting for him. Fortunately, it doesn't seem that many people are willing. And that's what I want to talk about next. There's a very interesting report related to a recent truth social post from Donald Trump. Media writes, Trump ramps up calls for Americans to hit the streets on his behalf. Do people even have a choice but to protest? And the article sort of points at a recent truth central post from Donald Trump,

where he wrote naturally in all capital letters, as he tends to do, quote, Massive prosecutorial misconduct is currently taking place in America. The weaponization of law enforcement cannot be allowed to happen. Crime and inflation are rampant. Our borders are open. Our elections are rigged. Our economy is in shambles. By the way, none of these things are true. Our energy independence is gone. Our, quote, leader is mercilessly mocked and our country is being destroyed both inside and out. Do the people of this once great nation even have a choice but to protest the potential doom of the United States of America. Twenty twenty four. There are two competing big storylines with Trump's requests and in some cases demands

that his followers go out and protest out in public. The first one is. Even though January 6th went terribly, Trump is still suggesting to people that they go out and protest. This is reckless. This is self-centered, egotistical and narcissistic and all of those things. Trump doesn't care or is ignoring or has forgotten or is indifferent to the fact that the last time he convinced people to go and protest, about a thousand people got arrested and charged with various crimes and some people died. OK. And it almost held up. It temporarily held up the what should be a peaceful transfer of power in that case in twenty twenty one between Trump and Biden. That's one story. The second story is that even though Trump's followers,

I guess they'll support the guy based on the polling that we're looking at. They don't seem very willing to go out and protest. Now, that may be because they don't care enough to go out and protest, or it may be because they they know what happened on January 6th. They don't want to end up in pretrial detention awaiting trial. OK, so but for whatever reason, Trump is struggling to get people to go and protest for him. You might remember in late March, the New York Times wrote an article. Trump claims his arrest is imminent and calls for protests echoing January 6th, except the protests didn't really happen. There was a small show of support at Mar-a-Lago. And

then ultimately, when Trump was arrested and indicted both times, there were relatively small groups of people who went out and it wasn't even totally clear that they cared really that much. You might remember that before Donald Trump's second arrest, as U.S. news reminds us, Trump calls supporters to action as he prepares for arraignment on criminal charges in Miami. Again, this was for the second arrest in Miami. We were live on the ground there and there really was not that much going on. Yes, some of them showed up, but it was a lot of media and a lot of sort of curious

rubberneckers who did not seem particularly committed to protesting for Trump. And then shortly after the first arrest, there was this report from PBS. Trump's calls for protests fail to gain traction ahead of anticipated indictment. So there is a very interesting situation where a guy that still has the devotion of more than half of the Republican electorate. We have the polling. Trump's still polling at this point, 53 percent holding very steady. This is exactly where he was at the beginning of April, more or less Trump, still the support and devotion of more than half of the Republican Party. But they either seem to know better or aren't quite enough committed that they are willing to

go out and protest. That all being said, as Trump's trials move forward, if he's indicted a third time, a fourth time, potentially, if it starts to impact Trump's ability to run his campaign as the debates and everything get going, all of which we'll be covering, Maybe his followers will be more inspired to get out there and protest if they do. Remember, my view on this is very nonpartisan protest, very patriotic and American. It's a form of speech, et cetera. Violence I do not condone or defend. And if they go into lawbreaking and violence, then I will say throw the book at them as they already should know better based on January 6th. We're going to follow all of it. But interestingly, nothing so far is moving polling. We've got the polling

up on the screen. The purple line is Trump. You did see this boost after the first indictment, but basically flat. You see dissent demonious who lost a little support after Trump's first indictment, but is more or less steady. And then at the bottom, you've got the zero through sixes. The only guy who's seeing a little bit of a bump lately is Mike Pence. And I actually have no opinion as to why that is at six percent. It doesn't really seem like the guys got a path to the nomination. We have such a great program for you today. I'm glad you're here. This was a shortened week because because of the Fourth of July.

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salsa, mariachi, any of those? You know, I'm not huge on. Let me put it this way. I like all of it. I just don't know enough about it to be able to name any artists. It's sort of like I know when I go to certain restaurants or events, they have music of all of these styles that I like, but it's not like I take time out of my day to go and investigate artists or bands or anything like that. But sure. I mean, listen, other than country and hardcore heavy metal, I'll go for most stuff, you know. Fantastic. Fantastic. Thank you. And my last quick question. So I look at it, but I'm with your grandma. I'm your Pedro. It is. No, no, no. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

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Oh, well, that's all I have for you. Thank you so much for taking my call. All right. Chris from Massachusetts with a number of questions in a number of languages, and we love to see it. Let's go to Harry from Chicago, Illinois. Harry from Chicago. Welcome to The David Pakman Show. How may I serve you today, sir? Speaker 4 Can you hear me? Yes. Speaker 5 A lot. Excellent. Excellent. So I used to call in as Harry from Columbus. I don't know if you have any recollection of that. I've recently moved to Chicago, you know, after some brief inspiration from you, actually. Speaker 1

Wow. I mean, hold on. You moved from Columbus to Chicago because of something I said. In part, in part, you know, I wanted to move anyway, but, you know, just some stuff that you said really put me over the edge. And why Chicago did it? Have I sung its praises before? No, I mean, not necessarily Chicago so much as getting out of a red state and going into a blue state. Speaker 1 I gotcha. And are you enjoying that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I am greatly. I am. I haven't driven on a highway in like two weeks now. I think my brain is finally healing a little bit. That's good. But it's been really good. Speaker 1 Well, to any extent that you want to thank me, I will accept the praise. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I know you used to also live in western Massachusetts. Is that correct? Yeah. I went to college there. You know about Holyoke? Yes, yes, I do. OK, did you did you pronounce it Holyoke or Holyoke? No, no, no.

I you know, I'm not into this whole Holyoke thing. I pronounce it Holyoke. Now, remember, I'm from Argentina and I only lived in that region for for a time and never in Holyoke. But I pronounce it Holyoke. Yeah, it takes time to learn the language like Amherst and Holyoke. OK, so my my question about politics after, you know, last week's rulings, all the bad SCOTUS ruling that, in my opinion, of course, how do you feel about SCOTUS? It's not, it's something that it engages in specifically is judicial review, right? Ultimately

determined in, I think it was Marbury v. Madison, way back when that SCOTUS could do this. Now, other countries, other democracies, they don't have this kind of judicial review. Do you consider it something bad? Do you think more justices is the problem? People on the left have criticized that. Yeah. I think judicial review is needed to be a check and balance. What do you what do you think about, you know, judicial review of law that is passed?

So listen, obviously, I am not a legal expert, so I speak to the political implications here. I do believe that there is a degree to which judicial review, meaning the power of a court to say this law that was passed, no good. It's unconstitutional to some degree. It can be undemocratic. The nine justices are not elected and they can say, well, we're overriding the popular sovereignty of states and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. OK, but sometimes they may be making the right decision and we might want it. You can say judicial review is unreliable because, as you're pointing out, it depends to some degree

on personal views and biases. We know that a left wing Supreme Court versus a right wing Supreme Court is likely to come down in different places on many important and controversial decisions. You can argue that judicial review is unnecessary in that there are better ways to protect certain rights, either by referenda or media scrutiny or, you know, but but at the same time, sometimes you can't. There's the argument that it's counterproductive because then when there's judicial review that goes counter to the party that is in power, there's a backlash effect where the party in power says, all right, well, we're going to now figure out some other way to do the thing so that we can act like Biden, figuring out a different way to do student loans. So I think that there are really good arguments against

judicial review. But where I am trying to focus most based on my audience and what I do is we we have to remember that if Hillary Clinton had defeated Donald Trump, a lot of what we have seen from the Supreme Court would never have happened. It is undeniable at this point. This is not to shame anybody. This is not to insult anybody. I am doing a show that is based around electoral politics. We have an election coming up. We need to beat people over the head metaphorically with the reality that we may again have this sort of situation, depending on who wins in November of twenty twenty four, and that everything that's happened, the justices that are now on the court, Roe v. Wade, all of these different things.

If Hillary Clinton gets to put a few people on the court instead of Donald Trump based on winning in 2016, we have a completely different Supreme Court. It's not a solution. It doesn't answer a lot of these questions, but it's a reminder about the importance of these elections. Yeah, I agree that I don't think I don't have any delusions that judicial review is going away anytime soon. Correct. And I agree if, you know, four out of nine of the justices are, you know, were either stolen, elected from presidents who didn't win the popular vote. I agree that electoralism is probably the best way to beat the monster of the SCOTUS, even though in the 200 year history of our country, it's been mostly a right wing

institution that has dominated us. You know, with all that in mind, we can still hope. Thanks for taking my call, David. All right. Harry from Chicago. Great to hear from you. Just a reminder for people waiting to chat with me. You must have your name and location in your nickname if you just have one or the other or just a nickname or that sort of thing. You are not going to be called on. It's sort of just like, can folks follow basic directions? We're trying to have some filter. So we try to get quality calls. So we do we do enforce that. We do enforce that. Let's go to Vitaly from Iowa. Vitaly from Iowa. Welcome to The David Pakman Show. Hi, David, can you hear me? Yes, I can. All right. So I have you might have gotten this question before, but. I am sort of along the lines where you are, I would consider myself more of a social Democrat, and I I've encountered a lot of my peers who are more along the lines of

Democratic socialists, anarcho communists, et cetera. And there's a lot of infighting. I even get called right wing sometimes. OK, so I was wondering what you would say to that and how to stop all this infighting that's going on. Well, these are two very different questions. If I as a social Democrat were called right wing, I would do what I already do, which is to say, tell me which positions of mine are right wing. And that usually grinds the conversation to a halt because it's very hard to name positions of mine that are right wing. And that usually grinds the conversation to a halt because it's very hard to name positions of mine that are right wing. So at the individual level, Vitaly, when people call you right wing

because you're a social Democrat and not a socialist, ask them to enumerate your right wing positions. You know what I'm saying? Sure. OK, now, in terms of more generally about reducing the infighting, I have absolutely no idea. The reality is that the infighting on the right, I believe, is more prevalent right now than than on the left, even though it's very popular to say the left has all this infighting. It's true. You can find people on the left who if you don't subscribe to every idea about all of these issues, what

usually with cultural issues, there is a slice of the left which will say you're not really on the left, but it's actually relatively small, whereas on the right, the MAGA versus anti MAGA stuff is really ugly and we'll see to what extent it's destructive. But it's lost them a bunch of elections so far. So I mean, listen, it'd be great if the entire left can get on the same page and then we all sing Kumbaya and all of this stuff. The reality is that there's a spectrum of the left from center left Democrats all the way out to, you know, Leninist left and revolutionary left and socialist and all these different things.

If we're really honest, most of the left is on the same page when it comes to a particular election. Who are we better off with? And that doesn't mean some people don't stay home or protest vote or whatever the case may be. But I actually think the left is quite united. Speaker 1 All right. Yeah, thank you for your insight, David. I just want to say I've been a subscriber for a few years now and you were actually you helped pulled me out of the MAGA. Right. So I just want to say thank you, sir. Well, thank you for your service. I appreciate it. Yes. All right. There goes Vitaly from Iowa with a very powerful declaration.

Let's go to Pam from Florida. Pam from Florida. Welcome to The David Pakman Show. What's on your mind today? Please unmute yourself, Pam. Pam, please unmute yourself so that we can talk. You are muted and it is you're doing. Yeah. Hey, David, I am so happy that Howard Stern is now listening to you. Yes. I had written him a million times. But anyway, I'm here in Florida. I can see all the stuff that DeSantis is doing that isn't necessarily on the national stage as far as insurance, the issues in insurance and everything else. I know how bad he is. And I don't know if Trump does not wind up running, which I think is slim. But he doesn't if he doesn't win the or if he doesn't get to compete in the primary. Do you think.

Speaker 1 Hold on a second. Let me make Pam. Let me. So Trump is running. You're saying if he loses the primary or if he ends up. Speaker 4 No, no, no. I'm sorry if he doesn't even get to the primary. Speaker 1 Like if he drops up. No, no, I'm sorry if he doesn't even get to the primary, like if he drops out before the voting starts. Right. Gotcha. Do you think do you think the Santa has a chance? Yeah. I mean, listen, if we just look at the math, if Trump's gone, DeSantis is the guy who seems best positioned in my head. I'm thinking, you know, if Trump ends up having to dump because of whatever reason, maybe Republicans could be sane again and select Chris Christie. But I don't think that they're

going to. I think just looking at the numbers, DeSantis is best positioned if Trump fails. Right. I see that. And it's very scary. And what about the magas? If Trump is in the race, that's a really good question because Trump's attacked Ron DeSantis significantly. Right. So there's a really good question, which is if Trump bails, what percentage of the current Trump support goes to DeSantis or do they go to someone else or do they not even participate? I don't know the answer to that right now, Pam. OK. OK. Yeah, it's just he's just he scares me more than Trump. I never thought I'd say that. I agree. No, I mean, we had this on the Monday show. The voicemail was about this.

I think that he's he's less visibly bonkers, but he's less incompetent and would get more crazy things done. So I think the Santa's is super scary. And has just a determination that his way like you see it in his eyes, like he just, you know, I know he's doing it for to win over that that sector, that voting population. But also it just she's just he's handmaid's tale and it's just it's a real big threat. But anyway, thank you so much. All right. Thank you, Pam, from Florida. Great to hear from you. Let's just take a very quick break and then we'll go back to the phone.

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We go next to Rolando from Miami, Florida. Rolando, welcome to the program. What is on your mind today? Hello. Can you hear me? Yes. All right. Perfect. Hi, David. Good to talk to you. Likewise. I've been a long time listener. And so my question, funny enough, is kind of piggybacking off of the previous caller and some of the discourse around DeSantis and kind of his threat on the national level as president, or I guess at least versus Trump. I kind of question

that just a little bit. I do agree that he's been very effective in Florida, but I guess my question is how much of that is because of the legislative environment in Florida, being that he has both the the Florida House and Senate being able to pass some of his agendas. I kind of question maybe how he'll be able to stack up against a lot of national players, especially like in the House and Senate and even like his overall demeanor. I have a lot of questions on that. What's kind of your take?

I am 100 percent in agreement with you. I think that in a number of ways, DeSantis isn't ready for primetime. I don't think DeSantis has what it takes from from a campaign standpoint to run a national campaign, particularly against the guy who is so captivating to many Republicans, as is Trump. Apparently, I don't think he has what it takes there. And it's also extraordinarily difficult if we flash forward and imagine that Ron DeSantis wins the primary and defeats Joe Biden and becomes president of the United States.

It is really difficult to imagine DeSantis as a serious player who's going to get major legislation done. I I'm as skeptical as you are. And listen, we're just making predictions. We could be totally wrong, but I don't see the guy as having what it takes. Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah. And then also seeing recently now a lot of Republican donors are pulling back from him.

Yeah. Other people in the party seem to be reluctant about him as well. Of course, that could all change if somehow he does become the primary candidate. People could kind of come around and coalesce around him just to get that win in the White House. But yeah, I don't know. I, despite kind of all the hype around him, I think it seems as at least right now is going to kind of fall short. And I'm my money right now is going to be Trump versus versus Biden.

Yeah. I mean, listen, if I were betting today, I think that that's certainly the most likely outcome with the caveat that there are unknowns. Trump could get arrested and indicted a third time, a fourth time. Maybe it pulls him off the campaign trail. Who knows? But it would take a major event right now. Not the normal.

So there's no attack ad DeSantis can run that's going to put him ahead of Trump right now. That sort of thing. Sure. And do you think I mean, I've been taking a look at polling, but how do you think I guess DeSantis versus Biden? What are those what are those odds looking like? Speaker 1 Well, according to the polling, DeSantis does better against Biden than Trump. So like,

if we're just super like empirical about it, there's an argument to be made that Biden would be better off running against Trump than he would against DeSantis. So that that's the only data point I have. Speaker 4 All right. Sounds good. Well, David, thanks so much for your time. I appreciate you speaking with me and, you know, good luck with the rest of the show. Thanks so much. There is Rolando from Miami. Great to hear from you. Very much appreciate it. Let's go next to Stephen from Tacoma. Stephen, welcome to the program. What's going on today? Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. I wanted to talk about

the thing around RFK Jr. right now and how he's doing so well in the polls right now. And how much of that do you think is not really his policies, but mainly his right name recognition as a Kennedy? I think that the name recognition is a part of it. But also it is. I've seen some breakdowns and his support seems to have spiked in particular, actually among Republicans, interestingly enough. And the other thing is, if you go back and look at look at his polling, I have it on the screen in front of me in early May and late April. Let me let me say it more chronologically in late April, early May. There are a bunch of polls that have RFK around 20 percent. Like there's an Emerson poll that had him at 21, a Fox poll that had him at 19, a CNN poll at 20. Now he rarely even hits

15. Like there's one poll that has him at 17, but now he's as low as eight and typically in the low to mid teens. Overall, RFK actually seems to have lower polling support today than he did several months ago. So I don't know. I don't really make much of it one way or the other. I think that it's potentially a spoiler campaign. I think there's a lot of MAGA people that like it because it's chaotic and it might hurt Joe Biden. But, you know, I've talked about it. I feel like I've struggled, Stephen, to find the right amount to talk about RFK when I don't talk about him. People say I'm ignoring him because I'm scared. When I do talk about him, people write to me, say, David, this guy's got no shot and he's cuckoo. Why are you even talking about him? You know, if you're polling for 14 in the Democratic

primary, I think it makes sense that I talk about you a little bit, but I don't find the entire thing super impressive. Speaker 1 OK, yeah, because I figured that a lot of his name, a lot of his name recognition was helping him in the polls and whatever the Kennedy name stilledy name still has but it might i think for i think for really anybody under maybe the age of 40 that's kind of a historical name that's just kind of my two cents on it but as i can see some of the polls he's starting to go down people are starting to notice that he's getting more support from like steve bannon and all the mega people and people are starting to figure out they're looking beyond the Kennedy

name and realizing, oh, wait, this guy is he's he's a I'm not going to say the term, but he's trying to mess up the potential primary or potential Biden vote. Yeah. I mean, listen, we'll see where it goes. But my money is that it doesn't have a lot of oxygen left to grab. Yeah, I figured that, too. All right. Thank you, David. All right.

Thank you very much. There is Stephen from Tacoma. Very, very important subject matter being discussed in general on today's program. And I appreciate that. Why don't we go next to. Oh, I don't know. How about David from Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan, Regina, actually. Is that true?

That's how it's pronounced. Yes, it is. Actually, there's a song online called Experience Regina. Jimmy Fallon actually has he's covered that before. But David, welcome to the program. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, I guess my question today, I've been you had a caller a few weeks back who was talking about gender and sex. And I feel like something's happening a lot where the right is conflating these two things a lot, right? Like they don't

understand the difference between biological sex and gender expression, right? Yep. You know, while they're related, they're not the same thing. So I guess my question is like, how the hell do we even start to have that discussion, Right. Like, I feel like we can't even have a discussion about the issue without people understanding what that even means, if that makes sense. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I feel like so the call in the call you're thinking of, I made an attempt to try to explain to the caller who maybe was just unwilling rather than unable to see. I gave the example of the rock and then the fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi. And I think that in a respectful way, I explained you understand these

are both males, right? We're talking about biological males. They were born male. We're talking they're both male. The rock expresses gender in a much more stereotypically masculine way, whereas Isaac Mizrahi expresses gender in a much more feminine way like you. So the idea was to get him to think, OK, right. Penis, penis. I see that. And then here's one presentation and here's another presentation. Oh, there is more than just the genitalia.

Like I tried, you know, I think sometimes it's it's like you've got to use examples like that to maybe get them to think about these things. But I agree with you. A lot of them do. They don't seem to want to get it, honestly. Well, and that's just it. Right. I think and I think honestly, like if they would just take even just like an introductory

level course in like any of these social science topics like we've we've talked about talked about this for decades and decades and like, there's not, there's really no debate about the difference between these things anymore. Right. So, but it's scary stuff. Like it has a real impact and, and, you know, we're, we're definitely frightened up here in Canada watching your Supreme court do all these weird things. So, um, yeah, I hope, uh, I hope you guys can turn that around with the next election for sure. Well, let's hope so. We are, I am on board with, uh, with your, now Now, how is this an issue that's even really discussed where you are or is it just like people don't really talk about this? You know, I'm in Saskatchewan and we're kind of the most right wing place in Canada. So

like it's conservative haven here. But as a country, as a whole, I mean, it's discussed and there's like kind of a fringe movement of people who want to do the whole mega thing here. But I would say as a majority, I don't see that happening. I don't see that movement getting a lot of traction. Even here in the conservative kind of Bible Belt of Canada, while it's more popular here, some of these ideas, they're still not getting enough traction to influence a lot of policy and that kind of thing. So I think I'm hoping we're safe. I mean, knock on wood, right? I hope that that's the case, David. I appreciate the call.

Yeah. Thanks for having me. All right. Great to hear from our friendly neighbors to the north, of course. Let's go to Devin from Virginia. Devin from Virginia. Welcome to The David Pakman Show. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I want to talk about my state and kind of like how it's not really doing great, especially about them. Unfortunately, I have to show my I.D. to access an adult website called Pornhub. And now there are loopholes to this. Like I can simply turn off my Wi-Fi and I can access it. So it's a very flawed system.

Wait, if you turn off Wi-Fi, how do you access a website? Do you don't you need the Internet connection with my dad on my phone? Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. So it's the big loopholes and like VPN. So it's not really effective and it's like very dangerous. Right.

If you show your I.D. or porn up like it can easily be your I.D. can be stolen. So it's just really dumb. So have you and your friends sort of like figured out how to get around this ID requirement? Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, VPN is like search like thing on Google when it happened and others as well, too. So, yeah, it's like it's not very effective.

It's more dangerous for people and for children. It's just like I don't know if it's like culture war, protected kids type stuff. I don't know. Speaker 1 now thinking bigger picture other than difficulty access, slight difficulty accessing porn. What else don't you like that's going on in Virginia? Speaker 2 Let's see. I would say our governor like uh he won based on uh you know saying uh critical race theories in our schools yeah and that boosted him and he won based off that and i was really disappointed with virginians uh for sure because i thought would be smarter than that like it's not um yeah yeah no it's just it's you know it's tough, you know, you thinking about moving?

Yeah. When I'm able to have the funds for it. Yeah, for sure. I definitely like to move maybe Colorado. I always like the coal. So yeah. Well, Devin, we're sending you our best. All right.

Thanks. I appreciate a lot. All right. Devin from Virginia sticking it out. He's figured out how to get the porn, but still struggling with the governor. That's that's a situation. That's for sure. Let's go next to Ryan from Auburn, New York. Ryan, welcome to The David Pakman Show. What can I do for you today? Ryan, please accept my invitation to join me for a discussion. Oh, can you hear me now? Yes, I can.

Hey, David, I had a question on A.I. I actually was scrolling through some shorts today and I got this weird ad and it was a fake celebrity endorsement from one of these celebrity chefs. And it was obvious to me that it was AI. But how long do you think it's going to be before AI before we can't tell, you know, before someone says, hey, I want a David Pakman endorsement and I'm just going to fake it, you know, with AI? I think that for the tech, I think the technology for it to be indistinguishable is probably already there. And I think it's a matter of 12 to 18 months because before it becomes more widely available, affordable for

pedestrian use all the time to trick people in the way you're saying maybe a couple of years. But I think it's basically here. I think it's almost there right now. Yeah, I think you're right. And I think one one thing I heard on this, I'm wondering your take, like one person was saying, you know, there's there's already people doing deep fakes of jokes with Joe Biden and Trump. And they're like playing video games and trash talking each other. Yeah, but and you can tell that they're fake. But if someone had like a full Biden speech, like, you know, addressing the nation and they just slipped in one or two sentences, then that would be probably very easy to get by. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, because you'd have to go back and sort of watch the entire speech to even see is this clip genuinely from that speech or not? I mean, this stuff can get very dangerous. I don't I'm not I don't yet know what the solution is, to be honest, but it can it could be very effectively dangerous or dangerously effective, depending on your view. Yeah, and a lot of people have a lot of views about how is going to destroy us. I don't think it's going to destroy us as far as like, you know, Ultron from, you know, Marvel or whatever.

I think it's more like it's going to give us the ability to destroy ourselves or not be able to believe anybody or anything. Speaker 1 100 percent. And part of that is quite Huxley in in terms of the view of Aldous Huxley and Brave New World, which is you don't really need to censor. Just put out so much nonsense that nobody will even know what to pay attention to, what to believe, etc. And that's a very, very scary situation.

I agree 100 percent. That was the only question I had for today, but I really appreciate your thoughts. All right. Thanks, Ryan. Very much appreciate it. And thanks to everybody who called in. We'll take calls again. But for now, we'll take a quick break and then be right back with more. One of our sponsors is Yotta, the free banking app that

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That's how you make views. But does it truly bring you happiness? When was the last time you felt free, peaceful and joyful? Go to church this Sunday. Seek and you will find the capital T truth. Oh, boy. It's hard to take this seriously and engage with it in anything approximating a serious matter. But it actually does bring me happiness to be able to. And this is no disrespect to anyone who likes it, but to be able to not have some boss waiting for me who

says, sir, we start at nine oh five and you didn't get here until nine oh eight this morning. And to be able to talk about or focus on whatever I want any day, if I want to take time off, I take time off like that. It really brings me happiness to not only have that work schedule and situation, but also to be able to have such a great community present company, of course, accepted as far as this message is concerned of people who I engage with. And it really does bring me happiness. So I know that that's, of course, the number one concern of Zohar Zavala, but no need to worry about me. Thank you very much.

DW says, Pacman, can you please explain why you never talk about Biden's and Clinton's unclassified documents because they're not classified? I'm guessing that's an error. Only a president can declassify documents, not a vice president or a secretary of state. I wonder why most commenters on this channel are only concerned about Trump's actions. Could it be because they will let it slide if they agree with the person's politics? No, no, no. How many times have I talked about Biden's documents and Hillary Clinton's documents at this point?, dozens and dozens. The reality is the facts are different. The way our correspondent Luke Beasley explained to some of those

Maga Magadonians, Maga Potamians earlier this week in Pickens, South Carolina, the facts are different. Joe Biden had a small number of documents. They were immediately returned when found. There was no alleged obstruction. There was no alleged witness tampering. There was no showing the documents to random people on the portico of Mar-a-Lago or whatever. OK, there was none of that. Hillary Clinton. Yes, she was careless. That was the determination. But an investigation determined no crimes were committed. I talk about it. It's just that it's a different set of facts. What this person really should be saying is I don't care that it's a different set of facts. I want Biden and Hillary to be indicted, too, just because of their partisan affiliation. I don't want it to

just be Trump. Well, maybe Trump's the only one who committed crimes. Have to consider that. Have to consider that next person who goes by the username. Life is a gift. Cherish every moment. All right. Says I was born in the United States of America in 1950. For most of my life, I thought of myself as a patriot and I admired and respected others who referred to themselves as patriots. That all changed on January 6th, 2021. Now, I am very cautious around anyone who calls themselves a patriot. If this is patriotism, I am very concerned for the future of the United States of America. Well, of course, they're correct.

And I've spoken about this before. The right has obtained a monopoly on patriotism, not on patriotism, the thing on patriotism, the word. And we've spoken before about the difference between patriotism and nationalism. We've done that. We've gone down this rabbit hole before. It is not a uniquely right wing thing. And I would argue there is nothing patriotic about the modern MAGA movement.

It is patriotic to say, hey, you know what? We're Americans. We're not going to let anyone's standard of living fall below a certain level. It's patriotic to say we'll make sure everybody has housing and food and health care. Wow. That's patriotism. OK, that is just as valid as whatever cockamamie version of patriotism these people on the right ascribe to that word. Stephen wrote in noticing what's been happening on our tick tocks and says five hundred thousand on tick tock. But how many on truth? Truthual. Yeah. Listen, we're not we're not on truth, sensual or truth, social. But I have to tell you what is happening on Tick Tock is unbelievable. Now, I know Tick

Tock may be banned and all these different things. Listen, I get it. OK, I have no control over that to the extent that it's a platform on which we can get our message out. I think we're up to five hundred and thirty thousand followers on TikTok, much of it because of the great work of my colleague John and helping us build that platform, much of it because of the shift to short form content. I know that this is really difficult to believe. We now are seeing as many monthly views on TikTok as we get on our YouTube channel. And we've been on TikTok like a year and a half and we've been on YouTube more than a decade. And the YouTube channel is big. OK, it is stunning the growth that we're having there.

And the important thing is we are getting the message out at this point. I think I get recognized on the street as much for, hey, you're the tick tock guy as as I do for YouTube. It's an incredible thing. Colin Peter Kowski says without Christianity, you have chaos. Are you blind? You know, whenever I see comments like these, the same thought always occurs to me, which is, are you telling me that the only thing keeping you from acting in a disgusting or criminal way or immoral way is your belief that Jewish carpenter Jesus died and was resurrected and was born to a virgin. And there was this arc and eating shrimp is bad.

And like you're saying, if you didn't have that, you'd be out murdering people for people to say we would have no moral compass if we didn't have God telling us what to do. You're saying the only thing keeping you from murdering people is that God says it's not a good thing to do. That's scary. That's really, really scary. And so I struggle with this type of statement. Listen, if the community and the idea of something bigger than yourself from religion is a positive thing for you and it helps you to connect with those around you and have a optimistic outlook on life. Oh, absolutely. There is no denying the importance of religion, separating, of course, from specific religious

beliefs. There's no way that we can minimize some of the positive things about religious community in history and negative things as well. We can talk about. But without Christianity, you have chaos. Very, very tough. Very, very tough. And by the way, countries with very little Christianity often have very little crime, which would be another way to say they're not particularly chaotic. Libby Shipman commented on Facebook and says the thing about Chris Christie is that no matter how good he campaigns, it's obvious that he cannot control his eating. So how can he be trusted to control anything else? And Linda Anderson says that is a ridiculous comment. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's a pretty stupid thing to say. He can't control his eating. So what he he has a worse you'd rat you'd sooner give Trump

the nuclear codes because Chris Christie eats a lot. I mean, it just it's it's it's quite a strange non sequitur. It really is. You know, it's less about refuting the specifics of this, but more about you're allowed to decide who to vote for using absolutely any rubric or standard. And many of these people do. The message we should get is that there are people like Libby who would say, I guess I'd rather Trump because Chris Christie is eats a lot. By the way, Trump's also obese, which is a whole other story. But maybe maybe Libby prefers. I don't know who's thin Vivek Ramaswamy because Vivek can control the amount he eats and Chris Christie can't.

The this is what we're up against. And we are much better off just finding people and getting them to vote rather than convincing people like Libby to change their minds because they're probably not going to a Reddit user. Nowhere of stuff. Remember, the David Pakman show subreddit is at David Pakman dot com slash Reddit. Nowhere of stuff says, are we at a point where conservatives are simultaneously buying and trying to ban electric vehicles to own the libs? Like, wouldn't it be surprising if you had conservative Elon Musk fanatics who bought Tesla's partially because they think it will trigger liberals by supporting a Musk company. But on the other hand, you still have most conservatives who are anti environmentalist

and hate electric vehicles like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who columns calls them a threat to the country lawmaker in Wyoming, who pretty much tried to ban them basically to own the lips. Yeah, it's it's it reminds me of the vaccine. Donald Trump deserves all of the credit for developing these vaccines, which don't work, are killing people. And I absolutely will not take Trump deserves credit for that. He's way better than Joe Biden. What? Wait. So is the vaccine good or bad? Doesn't matter. It is a very similar thing with Twitter. It's easier because it's like, OK, Twitter is less about lifestyle. It's less about broader political belief. It's like you're on Twitter or you're not.

You like Elon Musk's handling of it or you don't. The electric vehicle one is interesting because a lot of these right wingers hate electric vehicles. But at the same time, they do think that it is an easy way now to trigger the left by supporting Elon Musk. So maybe what they'll do is they'll go and buy a now to trigger the left by supporting Elon Musk. So maybe what they'll do is they'll go and buy a Tesla to support Musk, but then they'll burn it. I don't know. Or something like that. Like the people who are shooting Bud lights with with shotguns. It's all very, very weird. All right. Lastly, Big D says to me

on Instagram, this guy is on the payroll of the left. Don't believe him. He has not talked a word about the Hunter Biden indictment. Thus, guy is sketchy. Sketchy is misspelled. Well, Big D, a couple of different things. I've been talking about Hunter Biden for years. I was away at a wedding the week that Hunter struck a plea deal. And I have spoken about it since multiple times. So every single one of these claims is false. By the way, I'm on the payroll of the left. If by the payroll of the left, you mean that there are people on the left who get memberships on my website and support my work? Guilty as charged. If you mean payroll of the left, as in the Democratic establishment, the DNC, George Soros or whoever are funding

this program. The answer is they are not. And I challenge you to present a shred of evidence, a shred of evidence for a decade. These folks have been saying that you must be on the payroll of the DNC, not even a Democrat. Why would they pay me? It doesn't make a lot of sense. MSNBC must be paying you. Why would MSNBC pay people who aren't even on their network?

Very strange. Not much of an understanding of how anything works, quite frankly. Find some kind of proof that any of these organizations are paying me and I will say, you got me, you got me. I did everything right and they indicted me. OK, I will say it here. All right. We have a fantastic bonus show for you. Sign up at join Pacman dot com. Folks, in all seriousness, the Children's Critical Thinking book is available for preorder on Kindle and in paperback right now. I hold in front of me proof number one. This is the first proof.

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