The David Pakman Show - 9/24/25: United Nations embarrassment as Jimmy Kimmel returns

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

-- On the Show: -- Colin Allred, Democratic candidate for US Senator from Texas, joins us to discuss his campaign -- Donald Trump gets upset over ABC reinstating Jimmy Kimmel's show and threatens legal action against the network -- Jimmy Kimmel mocks Trump in a returning monologue and criticizes his attacks on comedy and free speech -- Gavin Newsom warns that democracy may be at risk and says he fears the United States may not hold a free election in 2028 -- Trump delivers rambling, grandiose remarks at the United Nations -- Trump posts a convoluted statement on foreign policy praising and contradicting positions on Ukraine and Russia -- Karoline Leavitt claims an escalator stop at the UN was deliberate and demands accountability -- Karoline Leavitt defends the president on Fox News and escalates claims about sabotage at the UN -- On the Bonus Show: Shooting at Dallas ICE facility, Trump’s attempted assassin is convicted, a lawyer is fined over ChatGPT fabrications, and more... 😺 Smalls cat food: Use code PAKMAN for 60% off & free shipping at https://smalls.com 🩳 SHEATH Underwear: Code PAKMAN for 20% OFF at https://sheathunderwear.com/pakman ⚠️ Ground News: Get 40% OFF their unlimited access Vantage plan at https://ground.news/pakman 🥄 Use code PAKMAN for $5 off Magic Spoon at https://magicspoon.com/pakman -- Become a Member: https://davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe to our (FREE) Substack newsletter: https://davidpakman.substack.com -- Get David's Books: https://davidpakman.com/echo -- TDPS Subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow -- David on Bluesky: https://davidpakman.com/bluesky -- David on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow (00:00) Trump reacts to Kimmel (04:24) Kimmel mocks Trump in return (12:20) Newsom warns on democracy (21:28) Trump at the UN (28:35) Trump on Truth Social after UN (34:27) Colin Allred interview (54:44) Leavitt claims UN sabotage (58:27) Leavitt defends Trump on Fox  

Jimmy Kimmel is back on ABC hosting his show as of last night and Donald Trump is losing his mind and threatening to sue, which is interesting because we were told ABC's short-lived decision to get rid of Kimmel was only a business decision. Why would Trump be suing then if Trump has nothing to do with Jimmy Kimmel and ABC. It doesn't really make sense. We're going to hear from Jimmy Kimmel's monologue in a moment. But first, I want to put up on the screen Donald Trump's truth social post about this where he says, quote, I can't believe ABC fake news gave Jimmy Kimmel his job back. The White House was told by ABC that his show was canceled. Oh, so the White House is in touch

with the network. Something happened between then and now because his audience is gone and his talent was never there. Why would they want someone back who does so poorly, who's not funny, who puts the network in jeopardy, uh-oh, by playing 99% positive Democrat garbage? He is yet another arm of the DNC. And to the best of my knowledge, that would be a major illegal campaign contribution. I think we're going to test ABC out on this. That's a threat right there.

That's a lawsuit threat. Trump continuing, let's see how we do. last time I went after them. They gave me $16 million. This one sounds even more lucrative. A true bunch of losers let Jimmy Kimmel rot in his bad rating. So again, if this was merely the business decision, MAGA told us it was. Why is Trump now threatening to sue? But there is a serious like a stric sand effect here. I could not care less. about Jimmy Kimmel's show and other late night shows. I haven't watched these shows in 15 years. There's occasionally something funny. Sometimes I'll get a clip of something that we use

on this show. But all of a sudden, I'm eagerly awaiting Jimmy Kimmel's monologue last night, which we're going to look at in a moment. And all of a sudden, I'm following while ABC is putting the show back on the air, but our next star station's going to broadcast it, our Sinclair stations going to broadcast it. What's Trump's reaction going to be? Is the white I was going to take an official position on all of this. And so this is incredible because it has given, it's hard to put a dollar figure on it, but it has given millions in new audience to Jimmy Kimmel who now all of a sudden feel like they have a stake.

And in a moment, you're going to hear Jimmy Kimmel even say this really isn't about his show. Like in the grand scheme of things, Jimmy Kimmel's show isn't what matters here. What matters is do we live in a country where. the White House and the president can influence what shows are on the air and where they try to suppress speech or suppress criticism or suppress satire and making fun of a president, things which the Supreme Court, by the way, have found and reinforced are completely legal and constitutional and really part of the fabric that this country was built on. So Donald Trump being triggered, Donald Trump losing it. Yes, it's a reminder that clearly the government

is involved. Excuse me. Yes, it's a reminder that. Donald Trump has an extraordinarily thin skin. Yes, it's a reminder that the basic pillars on which this country was built, which include on the one hand, due process. On the other hand, states rights and federal supremacy as appropriate, which Donald Trump is totally demolishing and also free speech and freedom of the press. All of those basic pillars are being smashed. They are being destroyed by this president and by this administration. And so I'm On the one hand, I love it when Trump is triggered. He's triggered so often.

He's triggered so easily. But on the other hand, you know, Jimmy Kimmel's financially independent, he's going to be fine no matter what happens to his show. Question is, in what ways is this going to be used to intimidate, to suppress other speech, and to limit the diversity of the voices that we hear? So Trump losing it. Let's now go to Jimmy Kimmel's monologue. Jimmy Kimmel back last night, pounding.

just relentlessly pounding, pounding, pounding Trump and the suppression of speech into oblivion. We're going to look at a couple of parts of Jimmy Kimmel's monologue. I am not a watcher of late night shows. I don't find them particularly funny. I find the interviews to be extraordinary cringe. But what I do care about is that anyone be able to do the show that they want to do. And if the show is good or not good or funny or not funny, or what it doesn't matter because the government should be playing no role in influencing or

pushing around what shows are on the air. So here is Jimmy Kimmel overcome with emotion over this entire fiasco. I've been hearing a lot about what I need to say and do tonight. And the truth is I don't think what I have to say is going to make much of a difference. If you like me, like me, if you don't, you don't. I have no illusions about changing anyone's mind. But I do want to make something clear because it's important to me as a human. And that is you understand that it was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man.

I don't I don't think there's anything funny about it. I posted a message on Instagram on the day he was killed, sending love to his family, and asking for compassion. And I meant it, and I still do. Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions

of what it was obviously a deeply disturbed individual. That was really the opposite. of the point I was trying to make, but I understand that to some that felt either ill-timed or unclear or maybe both. And for those who think I did point a finger, I get why you're upset. If the situation was reversed, there was a good chance I'd have felt the same way. I have many friends and family members on the other side who I love and remain close to, even though we don't agree on politics at all. I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone. This was a sick person who believed violence.

was a solution and it isn't it ever and also selfishly I am I am a person who gets a lot of threats I get many ugly and scary threats against my life my wife my kids my co-workers because of what I choose to say and I know those threats don't come from the kind of people on the right who I know and love so that's what I wanted to say on that all right so Jimmy Kimmel doing a bit of Mayaculpa and saying even though his his intentions weren't what they were portrayed and all so on and so forth. He understands if people didn't like his comments. Now, then he gets into what I think is the critical aspect of this.

And he starts going in on Trump. And he starts going on on the suppression of speech in the completely anti-American way that this administration is carrying itself. He says government threats to silence comedians are anti-American. This is really good stuff. And it's not just comedy. He's gunning for our journalists to. He's suing them. He's bullying them over the weekend.

His foxy friend Pete Hegseth announced a new policy that requires journalists with Pentagon press credentials to sign a pledge promising not to report information that hasn't been explicitly authorized for release. That includes unclassified information. They want to pick and choose what the news is. I know that's not as interesting as muscling a comedian, but it's so important to have a free press and it is nuts that we aren't paying more attention to it. Walter Cronkite must be spinning in his grave right now.

He's dead, right? Look, I never imagine I would be in a situation like this. I barely paid attention in school. One thing I did learn from Lenny Bruce and George Carlin and Howard Stern is that a government threat to silence a comedian the president doesn't like is anti-American. That's anti-American. Trump clearly not liking this as evidenced by his truth social tirade that we looked at, and then Kimmel going in even more specifically on Brendan Carr.

Ten years ago, this sounded crazy. Brendan Carr, the chairman of the FCC, telling an American company, we can do this the easy way or the hard way, and that these companies can find ways to change conduct and take action on Kimmel, or there's going to be additional work for the FCC ahead. In addition to being a direct violation of the First Amendment is not a particularly intelligent threat to make in public. Ted Cruz said he sounded like a mafioso, although I don't know, if you want to hear a mob boss make a threat like that, you have to hide a microphone in a deli and park outside in a viozo. fan with a tape recorder all night long.

This genius said it on a podcast. Brendan Carr is the most embarrassing car Republicans have embraced since this one. And it's a picture of a cyber truck and Kimmel is completely correct here. He even makes the point that I alluded to, which is it gets a lot of attention when it's a late night comedian with a huge staff and huge show. But the question is, do we live in a country where you can just. do the show you want, even if you're criticizing the president or don't we know, this show is not important.

What is important is that we get to live in a country that allows us to have a show like this. And this is why, even if you don't care about Jimmy Kimmel, and I don't, I mean, I haven't watched the Jimmy Kimmel show and I don't even know how long it's been on. I just, I just don't watch it. It's not about that. This is about what comes next. And not everybody has the financial independence and the resources to defend themselves and to beat back such an attack, as does Jimmy Kimmel.

And so at minimum, remember, like and subscribe on YouTube, on Spotify, on Apple to the shows that you support. I would love it if this were one of them. But beyond that, we've got a bigger fight ahead of ourselves here. Now, Jimmy Kimmel then also very pointedly referring to now the Epstein files are going to have to come out. He tried it as best to cancel me. Instead, he forced millions of people to watch the show.

That backfired bigly. He might have to release the Epstein files to distract us from this now. Anyway, so Kimmel is back as we talked about on the award-winning bonus show yesterday. Oh, the bonus show where you want to make money, everybody else that makes money to fund themselves as bad. Right. As we spoke about on the bonus show yesterday, it's not clear how many. of the ABC affiliate stations are ultimately going to be broadcasting this show, some next star

and Sinclair stations not running it. But this is a step in the right direction, although I also don't want to miss the fact that Kimmel as a privileged multimillionaire getting his show back. It's the right thing from the standpoint of government suppression of speech, but the real concern for us needs to be the small and independent media outlets, those that are doing investigative reporting and investigative reporting of the sort that cuts directly to the core of what is wrong with this administration. Those are the bigger concerns. So the independent producers and content creators that you follow, they, we all really need your support right now. And hopefully Kimmel coming back is not going to unleash a subsequent layer of attacks on all of the sorts of shows that

are critical of and that make fun of this administration and the president. Part of what is resonating with Americans about Gavin Newsom's approach over the last several months is that he's doing two critically important things. Number one, from a tone perspective, he's willing to fight. He's willing to fight Trump. He's willing to go after these people in the way that they deserve to be gone after. And the other thing that I like about what Newsom is doing is that he is accurately explaining the stakes. Now, Newsom appeared on the Stephen Colbert show last night and he said he's afraid there will not be an

election in 2028. He says this is the code red moment. Now, whether his personal aspirations are to be a candidate in the 2028 election, we don't know, sort of increasingly pointing in that direction, whether he has other plans. I mean, we're going to have to wait to find out. But part of what I think he is doing right is that it is hard to think about too many other elected officials in the Democratic Party at his level right now who are speaking with this strength and directness. And that I appreciate. Take a listen. We're struggling to communicate. We're struggling to win back now the majority in the House of Representatives. And that's a big part of what I'm doing, not

just today in terms of the work out here, raising money, but also raising awareness around how Donald Trump is trying to rig the midterm elections and how I fear that we will not have an election in 2028. I really mean that. And the core of my soul, unless we wake up to the code red what's happening in this country and we wake up soberly to how serious this moment is. Now, listen, I disagree with Newsom in that I do believe we will have. have an election in 2028. The question is, will the circumstances of that election lead to a result that properly and accurately reflects the will of the American people? Will everyone who would like to have voted have been able to vote and have their vote counted or not? And that doesn't

mean that it's like election machine manipulation or anything like that. It just means do the circumstances of this country, does the clamp down on speech, does the punishment of people in the media, does all, will all of that dissuade certain people from even going to vote because they are terrified? Now Newsom went on, one more clip I want to play, where he was critical of the Democratic Party. And this is another thing that I think Newsom is doing right. I think there are lots of people in the Democratic Party that are complete and total duds right now.

And I spoke about it yesterday and I spoke about it last week. and I've been ringing alarm bells every opportunity I get. I think there are a bunch of people that make up this deep bench that is strong, very strong. You know, not only is it Gavin Newsome, it's Josh Shapiro, it's Gretchen Whitmer, it's AOC. There's a whole bunch of people. One of the things Newsom is including in his critique of the state of affairs and his demand, his desire for something other than the status quo is a criticism of the Democratic Party. Listen to this.

Why do you think it's so deeply resonable? with people. Why do you think this has made such a difference? I mean, you're glad it is, but what do you think people are responding to? Just the fight. I think, you know, this, this has been a tough time. I'm aware. No, but this, but a lot of anxiety, a lot of stress, a lot of folks that honestly just don't know we're going to get our country back. And I get it. This guy is flooding the zone. He's dominating the narratives. Facts don't seem to matter. And Democrats, frankly, have had a difficult time pushing back. And Democrats feel that, you know, times, there's sort of this weakness that dominates our brand

and our party. And I think what people appreciate is that we're willing to fight and not only fight symbolically by having a little bit fun, but fights substantively. We have 41 lawsuits against this son of a bitch. We're pushing back and we're winning. And, you know, and we're filling a void on a lot of issues. I'm out here for Climate Week. California is the 10 poll in terms of climate policy in this country. As he walks away from Paris,

he walks away from leadership, moral authority around the rest of the world. California is trying to assert itself on health policy. Same thing. We created this West Coast collaborative. We're not going to listen to this guy. We're not going to listen to him trying to pronounce acetaminocin or we're not going to sit there. Now, sadly, sadly, Newsom mispronounced it. Instead of acetaminophin, he pronounced it acetaminocin. Put that aside for a second. Okay, right? When you mispronounce the thing, you're criticizing someone else for mispronouncing.

And actually, let me just make sure I heard that correctly. We created this West Coast collaborative. We're not going to listen to this guy. We're not going to listen to him trying to pronounce acedaminocin. Yeah, he mispronounced it, unfortunately. But listen, overall, Newsom is admitting. Democrats have been weak in how they communicate. That's a rare acknowledgement and it's a blunt acknowledgement.

And I like his emphasis on we need to fight substantively and we need to fight symbolically. That could be taken as a critique of the Biden style, certainly a critique of the broader democratic status quo. And one of the things we've learned from history is that collapses of democracy often are preceded by too many people saying, this can't really happen here. We don't need to worry. I like that Gavin Newsom is cutting against that denial. And Plato warned that democracies collapse into tyranny when citizens stop believing the system

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him. But Donald Trump speaking in front of world leaders and talking about what? Talking about polling. I know. I know. It's another global humiliation for the United States. The American public agrees with it. I mean, I was very proud to see this morning I have the highest poll numbers I've ever had. Part of it is because of what we've done on the border. I guess the other part is what we've done in the economy. Joe Biden's policies, empowered murderous gangs, human smugglers, child traffickers, drug cartels, and prisoners, prisoners from all over the world. You know, it's bad enough that he's talking about poll numbers at the United Nations.

The other world leaders, if you're wondering, did not talk about their poll numbers at the United Nations, but he's also lying about his poll numbers. His poll numbers are completely in the toilet, record low approval, not only overall, but also specifically on the economy, the issue which he said he was going to be great on. Trump then said he's great at predicting things. He's just such a good predictor of stuff. Like, for example, remember when he said that if Biden won in 2020, we would no longer have heating in the winter or air conditioning in the summer? Oh, wait, that didn't come true. If you don't get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail. And I'm really good at predicting things, you know,

They actually said during the campaign, they had a hat, the best-selling hat. Trump was right about everything. And I don't say that in a braggadocious way, but it's true. I've been right about everything. And I'm telling you that if you don't get away from the green energy scam, your country is going to fail. Remember when Trump told us if Biden becomes president in 2020, the stock market will collapse like the recession of 1928.

the Great Depression, rather, of 1929. And we had dozens of stock market records under Joe Biden. No one would have jobs under Biden. And we had record low unemployment. Anyway, something is very wrong with this guy. This is a speech more relevant to a 72 hour cycle than to the United Nations General Assembly. Now, after 20 minutes of ranting, raving and rambling uncontrollably, Trump told the assembled world leaders, your countries are going. going to hell. You have to end it now. See, I can tell you.

I'm really good at this stuff. Your countries are going to hell. In America, we've taken bold action to swiftly shut. The room audibly laughing at Trump. This is a theme. If there is any consistency to Donald Trump's United Nations speeches, it's that the room always ends up laughing at him. And he seems to think that they're laughing with him. Classic narcissist.

And speaking of narcissism, Trump also said, everybody's saying I should get the Nobel Peace Prize. Wars is action. Now after ending all of these wars and also earlier negotiating the Abraham Accords, which is a very big thing for which our country received no credit, never receives credit. Everyone says that I should get the Nobel Peace Prize for each one of these achievements. But for me, the real prize will be the sons and daughters who live to grow up with the mothers and fathers because millions of people are no longer being killed in endless and undelorious wars. How is that working out with Russia and Ukraine, by the way? I hate to break it to you.

If you're part of the everyone who is believing that Donald Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, you are going to be up for a big, big disappointment. The topic of immigration came up during the United Nations speech that Trump delivered. And at this point, he stopped making any sense just an impenetrable, impenetrable word salad. Can you figure out what he's saying here? But you know, we have a border strong and we have a shape and that shape doesn't just go straight up. That's right.

The shape doesn't go straight up. What? The shape is amorphous when it comes to the atmosphere. And if we had the most clean air, and I think we do, we have very clean air. We have the cleanest air we've had in many, many years. But the problem is that other countries, like China, which has air that's a little bit rough, it blows. And no matter what you're doing, it blows down here, the air up here tends to get very dirty because it comes in from other countries where their air isn't so clean. and the environmentalist refused to acknowledge that right yes donnie of course come with me we're

going to pick up your nobel peace prize okay you're a big boy this is a guy with something very very wrong this guy sick in the head and finally finally trump with a powerful declaration that we must protect the most persecuted people on the planet who today happened to be Christians. I did not get that memo, I admit. In honor of this momentous anniversary, I hope that all countries who find inspiration in our example will join us in renewing our commitment values and those values, really, that we hold so dear together.

Let us defend free speech and free expression. Let us protect religious liberty, including for the most persecuted religion on the planet today. It's called Christianity. In honor, there is no one more persecuted today than the Christians. I didn't get that memo. The world laughing to avoid crying in horror at another completely demented speech from the guy who supposedly is the world's envy. Everybody wants to be Trump and be with Trump and be doing the things Trump is doing

mostly dictators and this went so poorly that Donald Trump ended up lashing out about escalators and teleprompters, which we'll get to later, but also left this speech and immediately posted a disgusting word salad about foreign policy to truth social, which really should send chills down our spines. The first post of Donald Trump to truth social after his totally horrifying speech to the United Nations, at which he was literally laughed at by world leaders, was such a bonkers word salad about foreign policy that it should terrify anyone who believes that we are slowly advancing as a species and as a society. It really makes me question the evolution of homo sapiens.

Trump posting to truth social quote, after getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine, Russia military and economic situation. And after seeing the economic trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and win all of Ukraine back in its original form. With time, patience and the financial support of Europe and in particular NATO, the original borders from where this war started is very much an option. Why not?

Russia has been fighting aimlessly for three and a half years, a war that should have taken a real military power less than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia. In fact, it is very much making them look like a paper tiger when the people living in Moscow and all of the great cities, towns and districts all throughout Russia, find out what is really going on with this war, the fact that it's almost impossible for them to get gasoline through the long lines that are being formed and all of the other things that are taking place in their war economy where most of their money is being spent on fighting Ukraine, which has great

spirit and only getting better. Ukraine would be able to take back their country in its original form and who knows, maybe even go further than that. Putin and Russia are in big economic trouble. And this is the time for Ukraine to act. In any event, I wish both countries well, we will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all. This is, this is absolutely nuts. Now, top level, you're not wrong if you interpret this and say, wow, this all of a sudden, wow, this sounds much less pro-Russia and all of a sudden much more pro-Ukraine. Ukraine's got to take back all the land Russia took and maybe even more Trump suggesting a war of aggression for Ukraine. And that's fine. I mean, listen, I'm glad to see that to the extent

that it is Ukraine that's fighting this war defensively. But it's a completely incoherent post. I mean, first of all, the syntax is all over the place. Contradicting thoughts. No real clear point. Sounds like a parody of Trump trying to sound like a foreign policy expert. And instead, it's rambling filler and randomly capitalized words. But then after all of it, this sort of signals a reversal. Trump, who has been so pro Russia on this issue, all of a sudden, he's like, no, Putin's screwing up. Ukraine can get all of its territory back.

Maybe they can even get more back. That sounds like a 180. Then he goes, oh, I wish both countries well. Like, you know, it's the chiefs versus the Patriots. I wish both teams really well. This is a brutal war, not a sporting event. And the swings are kind of manic. Ukraine's winning. Russia's collapsing. Good luck to all. It's unmoored to any reality. And if you bring this statement to allies and say, what is Trump's position right now? I don't think they can decipher it from this. One moment he's praising Putin. Next, he's saying Ukraine should take everything

back and maybe even more. And so this is an example of that instability I've been talking to you about. This is what makes Trump dangerous in office. Foreign policy is dictated by mood swings. Incoherent rants lead us to start wondering what exactly is it that's going on? What is the position? And then I think also it's interesting to mention he keeps talking about NATO should do this, that and the other thing. Ukraine really is fighting this war.

Why is it now up to NATO? It's just sort of weird. Does Trump even really understand what's going on there? Now, to his credit, this is wacky enough. and worded in such a way as potentially adversarial to Russia enough, that Putin may see this and go, oh, damn, I may be losing control of my, my pet project over there in the United States, completely whacked and incoherent, but maybe it'll get Putin to reconsider some of his belligerents. And by the way, we were told that the Putin summit with Trump in Alaska was really going

to put Putin on the straight and arrow. We weren't going to see any outburst from him since that. And of course, the attacks, the drones, and the missile strikes have only escalated since then. So at least up until yesterday's incoherent rant, Donald Trump, not exactly striking fear into the heart of Vladimir Putin. Maybe the belligerence of this rant will actually make Putin scared. I don't know. A pending Supreme Court case could strip our Fourth Amendment rights and allow immigration agents to come into our homes for any reason, no probable cause needed.

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The link is in the description or scan the QR code. It is great to welcome to the program today. Colin Allred, Texas Democratic Senate candidate and someone, I've been looking forward to speaking to for a while. I really appreciate your time today. I appreciate you, David. Thanks for having me. So I want to start zoomed out and then maybe zoom in to your campaign and the dynamics of it.

I believe Texas has not elected a Democrat to the Senate since 1990. And every election cycle, we all hear, you know, Texas is starting to be a Democrat. play, Texas is purple. There's usually like one presidential poll that goes, oh, it's within the margin of error, but that at least in the presidential elections has not yet come to fruition. Talk to me a little bit about what, why now, what do you think is different in Texas that could sort of turn this around for the first time in, in 36 years? Yeah.

Well, thank you, David. Thanks for having me on. Listen, I'm a fourth generation Texan. My boys are fifth generation Texans. So, you know, for me, it's personal to fight for my state. You know, I served us in Congress, but, you know, my story was made possible by folks here. Like, when you're raised by a single mom who's a public school teacher and you struggle growing up, you have to have a lot of help. And so I had, you know, great teachers and coaches.

I had a YMCA that I went to that was really important for me. And so I believe in our state. And I also want to just, you know, be clear that Texas has, as many folks know, it's been a state where one of our struggles has been making sure that our folks come out to vote. And I was a voting rights lawyer before I ever ran for Congress, before I was in the Obama administration. And the reason I became a voting rights lawyer, because I wanted to make sure that every Texan and really every American would have a chance to make their voice heard in our democracy. And I just want to say that that is certainly part of what we're struggling against here in Texas is voter suppression. But that's not the only thing.

You know, I talked to a lot of folks, even during my voting rights work, who felt like, well, you know, what is it going to matter? What's going to change? If I jump through all these hoops, if I'm working two or three jobs, why should I go vote if nothing's going to change for me? That's why I think it's really important that we talk about what's happening right now with families, particularly working families, how they can't afford to get by, how they're working harder and harder for less. That's my story as well. And how they're spending less time with their kids. They feel like they're swimming upstream. and the answer needs to be that this is how we're going to do something about this for you.

This is how we're going to lower your costs. And I put out a plan today for more affordable Texas based on some policies that I worked on in Congress, but that I also know that we have to put in place from my conversations all around this state to deal with the fact that folks are struggling to get by. And the last election they were lied to, they were told that their costs were going to go down. It was not true. There was never any intention to do that. And this election, we have to tell folks that they were lied to and that we're going to do something

about it. And I think that's going to be powerful here in Texas in addition to many of the other things that are going on that I'm sure we'll talk about. So I love that. I want to offer some hopefully constructive pushback because I know that a lot of my audience are going to go, you know, David, I don't know that he really answered your question right there because Texas has way more Republicans than Democrats. The map is not favorable to this.

why it's an uphill battle. We want to hear what you're going to have to win some more Republicans unless you are able to like, you know, increase Democratic turnout by 50%, which is tough enough your elections, right? What specifically is going to get Texans to go, hey, you know what, I voted Republicans for a really long time? This time I'm voting for a Democrat. Which are the policies that will achieve that? Yeah, I'm glad you asked that because, you know, in 2018, I had never run for office. I had just finished serving the Obama administration. And I decided to run for Congress in my hometown in the district where I was born and raised or the hospital that I was born in with the high school I went to was.

It was a gerrymandered Republican district. They had a Republican who'd been there for 22 years. No Democrat had even run against him in the previous election because they thought that he couldn't be beaten. And I thought, you know, I think I know my community and I think I know the folks that I grew up around. and I think we can beat this guy. And no one in the press thought we could. You know, this was not one of the districts that people were like, oh, yeah, we're definitely going to win that district.

And we beat him by nearly seven points. And I represented a true swing district in Texas and kept winning in that district. And it was a coalition. And to your point, it was a coalition of Democrats, but also independents and Republicans. And especially black and Latino Texans, who were too often written off who we got out to vote

in that swing district. You know, in the last election, I outperformed our presidential ticket in Texas. You're running, you know, eight points ahead of the top of the ticket in the Rio Grande Valley, but Republicans were also making gains at the same time. We flipped some traditionally Republican-held counties here in Texas. And so I do think that we have to expand our coalition,

that it has to be a broad one. I think it does include certainly independents and Republicans. I've shown that I can do that. But I also think that the folks who were not getting out and who I think our struggle I think has to be, our fight has to be to get them to the polls are largely working class black and less unit voters in Texas who are, what we're fighting there is not so much Republicans.

It's oftentimes despair. It's oftentimes how can we push through a message that, yes, something can change, that yes, I know what you're going through. I don't have to read about it. No one has to tell me about it. I live the same way you're living. I went to the same schools your kids are going to. My mom taught in those schools.

I know what you're going through, and I know what we can do about it. And there, I do think it's policy, but I also think it's personal. And this is something I've been doing when I work in restaurants around our state, which I've been doing, when I go on construction sites around our state, which I've been doing, talking to working people and making sure they know that I'm not coming at this from some lofty position and being like, yeah, yeah, I know what you need. I'm like, no, I remember what you need.

And that's why I think, you know, we can win here. Your, um, if I understand your position on social security correctly, you want the wealthy to pay this. What I saw written was to pay the same rate as everyone else. Now my question is, when you say that, are you looking to uncap social security contributions? And then if so, would that also mean that the benefits that those wealthy people get at the end when they retire would also be higher? Listen, and I want to be clear about this, because I don't think we have to be prescriptive,

but I do support raising the cap with a gap for certain working folks to kind of get above that. And I think that what we're seeing here is that we should treat all income basically the same in many ways when it comes to Social Security, that it shouldn't just fall on working people to pay into it and that if you, once you get above a certain level, or if you're your wealth comes, if your income comes in a different form that, you know, you're not paying into Social Security, that to me is unfair. And it targets working people and makes it harder for them. And so my goal is to expand and to protect Social Security into the future.

And I, there's several different ways to go about it. And I, in my plan that we put out today, we have the Social Security Expansion Act. That's one way to do it. But what I ultimately want to do is make sure that we protect Social Security and that we make it better. Because I talked to, when I was in Congress, the folks who called into my office, who it was most heartbreaking, were the folks who were relying on Social Security every month to get by. And if their check was delayed by a week or even two weeks, they could have a cascading effect where all of their bills went unpaid, where they could lose so many things that they had worked so hard for. And listen, this is something that folks are really, really relying on.

And so when I hear people say, you know, we should raise the age for Social Security, I think I don't think that you've ever met working people. I don't think you've met the folks who are working outside and making their living and then showering after work instead of before work. Because they're counting their days until they get to that point to where they can then rely on this thing that they've been paying into out of their hard-earned paychecks. And so that to me is the commitment that we have to keep. But so if I may, I want to go back to the specific.

right now the cap is at 176,000 you pay in up to 176 you want a gap and then it kicks back in at what income level yeah and i think i ever think it's around 450 000 or somewhere around there but i think okay is uh is to make sure that when we're talking about the ultra wealthy that we're still paying into the social security trust fund and i think that's the most important thing and again you know having you've been in congress and worked on these things what i think is important is that we have a goal that we put down and we say this is what we're going to work towards. The details, quite honestly, will often have to be hammered out while you're trying to get enough votes to get it to the Congress. And that's kind of always my approach. But I want

to make sure people know that Social Security does not have to go insolvent, that we don't have to keep it where it is. And that to be honest with you, keeping it where it is is the equivalent of sticking your head in the sand and just hoping nothing bad happens. Because we have a wave of older folks who are going to be hitting Social Security coming up in the coming decades, that's going to make this something that we have to deal with. So let's put a stake in the ground now and say this is how we should deal with it. We should ask the wealthiest to pay more into it. We should also make sure that we expand these services for folks who really need it.

Okay. And then the reason I ask about this is a lot of people have not thought about some of this stuff and it makes it sort of when voters hear it, they go, I don't know how well thought out that is. So perfect, we've got a gap, 450 kicks back in. Now, you make a million bucks a year. you're paying in up to 176, not between 176 and 450, again, between 450 and a million. When that person retires, do we have to expand the benefits tables so that because they've

paid in so much more, they also get a higher benefit at retirement? No, no, we're not getting a higher benefit. No, that's not the way. No, no higher benefit. It's a higher benefit for everyone, right? So that's the way Social Security works is that it's universal. So we would expand the benefits by $2,400 a year. for every senior, right? Okay. It's not specific for people who are paying more in if that's what you're

asking. Got it. And I'm not sure if I got your question right. No, no, no, you got it. Yeah, no. It sounds like your answer is no, very, very clear on that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit to pick one other thing about what's going on in California with the redistricting. And it relates directly to what's happening in Texas. So I think it's highly salient for a lot of your voters. Do you support what Governor Newsom is trying to do there with Proposition 50? I'm smiling because I hate. I hate gerrymandering. I hate it. Like, I hate it with a passion. Yep. If you asked me, like, if you had a magic wand, what would you do to fix the House of Representatives? I would do maybe go away. I would get rid of gerrymandering and I would change campaign finance, right?

Yep. And as a voting rights lawyer, I literally fought against gerrymandering, right? But my position has been, and I think this is what we have to do, that we have to fight fire with fire so that that they can't rig the election, but that we use the power that we get, that the people will give us to end gerrymandering forever. Right. And so to me, we can do that. We had a bill that I worked on that we passed out of the house called the John Lewis for the People Act that would have banned gerrymandering and required every state nationwide

to have independent, nonpartisan commissions to draw their districts. At that time, we had 50 votes in the Senate for it, but we couldn't get it through. the filibuster. When I'm in the Senate, I'll make sure we pass that. But I, you know, to answer your question, yes, I think we have to make sure that we respond to this and not let them just, you know, rig this election. And as you know, what they're doing here in Texas is more than, how do I say this? It's worse than just numbers on a, you know, in the House representatives. It's black and brown voices that are being silenced. Every district that they targeted. And And your viewers probably know this, but every district that they targeted was a majority minority or majority black, majority Hispanic districts.

And what they're doing there is reducing the overall voting power in the United States Congress for the fastest growing communities in our state. Right. And they're also messing with historic accomplishments and historic districts like Barbara Jordan's district in Houston that Sheila Jackson Lee held and that I served with her and that Mayor Turner held. most recently until he passed away. These are historic districts that particularly African Americans in Texas gave blood for. And so it's incredibly personal. It's incredibly upsetting. I do think there's a chance that the courts will invalidate some of these districts. So that fight is still not over.

Yeah. I think we can't let them break the election. Last thing I want to ask you about the stock of the Democratic Party is not particularly high right now. And I hear from so many in my audience, overwhelming. Democratic voters who say, David, I want to like what's coming up in 2026. I want to look and say there's clearly a path here. There's a plan.

It's an emotionally salient plan. It's tractable that I can tell you what are the five pillars and they're not getting that, right? And we've interviewed everybody from governors to senators and members of the House mayors, you know, everybody in between. And the biggest feedback I get from my audiences, you know, David, I had such high hopes for this interview. And I kind of heard talking points, dancing around questions and not, I don't know, what is your, if you were grading what's going on right now in the Democratic Party as we pushed

to what is arguably a critical midterm because taking the house, for example, will neuter the remainder of Donald Trump's second term. I mean, he will get nothing done if Democrats were able to take the House, for example. It's so critical. How would you grade how it's shaping up for Democrats based on what you're seeing so far? I want to just go back to 2017. Okay. And if we were having this conversation in September 2017, it was not quite the same,

but you would have largely said the same things to me then. Okay. Probably. And we did not know that we were on the verge in a year from then of flipping 40 congressional seats, including the one that I was running in, of winning several. a couple of Senate races, winning a bunch of state house races all around the states and the country. And we did not know that was coming. And look at the folks who got elected in that election. You know, folks like me, folks like Mikey Cheryl, Abigail Spanberger, Alyssa Slotkin,

Andy Kim, you know, we were all folks who had never run for office. We were not politicians. And we ran because we were worried about the country. And we were worried and we had served in government or we had served in the military. And we wanted to take back what we were. knew was right about the country and also fight the party itself that we were a member of and say, hey, listen, let's get back to what folks really care about, right? And that's where I think we are now also, is that, you know, there's a, there's an, there's an all over the country, there'll be really strong public servants running, who, many of whom are not, you know, the names you know right now, particularly in these congressional races, who I think will emerge and who will

rest the party back to what I think it's roots have to be, which is a focus on working people and working families. We have been considered to be too online, too elite, too out of touch, and honestly looking down and speaking down to working people. And in the last election, there was a cry heard in which Donald Trump won working people for the first time, like, in decades. Yeah. Right. And if we don't take that incredibly seriously and not only nominate candidates who are focused on

that, but also who come from some of those backgrounds like I do or who understand them and have direct plans on how to deal with folks who are going through that, then we will not have the election that we should have. But I remember what the 2018 election ultimately was about with everything that was going on from childhood separation, child separation, which was a horrible policy, the Muslim ban many of the horrific things that were being done then, that election was about the Affordable Care Act in the end and about meat and potatoes issues. And the guy who I was running against who had voted to repeal the ACA like 56 times, by the time the election came up, he was for the

ACA, right? Right. This election to me is also going to be about meat and potatoes issues, about working people, about affordability, about an economy that has been rigged against them and a system that's rigged against them. And I'm running to unrigged here in Texas. And I think all across the country, you'll see leaders emerge to do that. It may not be the party, but the party will follow folks who are successfully making this pitch to working people because that's also, I think, the best policy, but it's good politics, right? And so my message to everyone is instead of looking for the party to be your vehicle for your hopes or the nebulous, like, constellation of whatever that means,

identify the people who are really talking about affordability and working people and who are connecting on that and who are trying to. You know, there's a reason why, you know, I've been working on these work sites and doing these things and going to football games and talking to people in the stands at the games about their kids and what's going on in their lives is because I'm trying to center us and center this campaign back on the ground that I'm most comfortable in, which is the folks who I grew up around, who are people who work hard, who play by the rules and who want to be able to get ahead and have their kids get ahead but feel like they can't. And if we do that, maybe we'll win the election and do a lot of good things. But at the very least, we'll be speaking for people who should be spoken for. This is a high stakes and potentially critical Senate race in 2026. If you look at the map, it's hard not to not to see that. We've been speaking with Democratic Senate candidate Colin Allred. You can learn more about the campaign at Colin Allred.com.

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She's still choosing to keep this job. She has done the unthinkable and she went out and issued a threat saying if anybody deliberately sabotaged Donald Trump's escalator or sabotage Donald Trump's teleprompter at the United Nations. Oh boy, they need to be fired. Now, you might be saying what the hell is she talking about? Well, let me explain. Caroline Levitt put out the following tweet. Quote, if someone at the United Nations intentionally stopped the escalator as the president and first lady were saying, stepping on. They need to be fired and investigated immediately. The Times reported this on Sunday. Now, here is Donald Trump getting on to the escalator. And you will see this is at the UN speech.

I can't believe we're in this stupid of a timeline, but we are. And remember, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When all you have is authoritarianism. Everything looks like someone you need to threaten. Here is Trump getting on the escalator yesterday at his speech. And you will see, indeed, the escalator stops. Okay. The escalator stopped and God forbid Trump had to walk up the stairs. He almost missed this speech by having to walk up the stairs. Okay. So what exactly happened here? Well, While Donald Trump has a perspective, he actually ranted about this during his United Nations speech. All I got from the United Nations was an escalator that on the way up stopped right in the

middle. If the first lady wasn't in great shape, she would have fallen, but she's in great shape. By the way, it stopped in the middle. It stopped like one step up from where it started. We're both in good shape. We both stood. a teleprompter that didn't work. This is, these are the two things I got from the United Nations, a bad escalator and a bad teleprompter. Thank you very much. These people are the perennial victims.

We are the victims of everything and also others need to be punished. Now unfortunately for Trump and Caroline Levitt's narrative, we got a reality check from Furnushamiri, a UN correspondent for the Associated Press. who was able to report, quote, a United Nations official said the UN understands that someone from the president's party who ran ahead of him inadvertently triggered the stop mechanism on the escalator. The official speaking on the condition of anonymity said the White House was operating the teleprompter for Donald Trump. As usual, Trumpism, we are the biggest victims in the world. We are the most poorly treated people in the world. Everyone's discriminating against us

and everything is someone else's fault, except it was a Trump staffer that stopped the escalator inadvertently. And it was the White House Trump's team controlling his teleprompter during the speech. But for Caroline Levitt, there is no lie too unbelievable. There is no distortion too incredible for her to just go along with it and say it. And when she appeared on Fox News, it actually got even worse. And I want to talk about that now. Caroline Levitt went on Fox News. And the incredible circumstances of this led to a wah, wow, wow, where the victim's scenario. Jesse Waters suggests after it has already been declared by an AP reporter that Trump's escalator at the UN stopped because one of his own staffers triggered the stop.

That Trump's teleprompter stopped working correctly during his UN speech because of something that was done by the White House staffers controlling the teleprompter. Jesse Waters says, I believe this is sabotage and Caroline Levitt is quick to agree that. that that's the way it looks. The escalator is part of Antifa. All right, Caroline, it does appear to be sabotaged with the escalator and the teleprompter. What is the White House going to do about that? This is at 8.15 Eastern time, okay?

This was hours after we found out the real cause. Well, Jesse, that's definitely what it appears to be to me. And that's why I put out a statement earlier. There was some concerning reporting over the weekend from the London Times, as you pointed out, that UN globalist staffers were basically plotting to set up the president of the United States. And first it was the escalator, then it was the teleprompter. And then Katie Pavlitz from Town Hall, who we offered a seat in the press pool to cover the president's historic speech today, noticed that the audio inside of the room was much lower.

Oh, these people are incredible. The audio was lower. Side of the room was much lower and different for the president of the United States than the previous speaker. So when- Yeah, they made it sound like he was constantly sniffing. Oh, wait a second. That's exactly what he was doing. You put all of this together.

It doesn't look like a coincidence to me. And I know that we have people including United States Secret Service who are looking into this to try to get to the bottom of it. And if we find that these were you and staffers who were purposefully trying to trip up, literally trip up the president and the first lady of the United States, well, there better be accountability for those people. And I will personally see to it, Jesse. Good.

Oh, man. You know, they can't just go, oh, we, we just like one of our staffers who was walking up ahead triggered the stop mechanism. That's all. It's not a big deal, no huge deal. And Jesse Waters just builds, builds, builds on. this as well. Daddy's not happy.

He came to the UN today and it was a total mess. Everything was broken. The escalators weren't even working. Trump and Melania were riding it up and it just stopped. The first lady lost her balance a bit, but she lost her balance a bit. Sentit herself, thankfully, and then marched to the top. She could have been hurt. She marched.

hurt and the president looked over at the press and knew something was up. At first we thought the escalator just malfunctioned, but then so did the teleprompter. And very, very suspicious. Now again, all of this is happening hours after all of these narratives have been debunked. This is a classic of authoritarianism, which is that on the one hand, you attempt to project strength with this whole alpha beta male thing. These are the alpha males. These are the emblems and pinnacles of strength and fortitude and all of it.

But at the same time, they lose their minds over the most minor thing like the escalator stopped. The teleprompter didn't work. Put aside for a second whether it's their fault or someone else as it happens to be their fault in this particular case. How is it that you are so strong, so strong, so much stronger than everybody else? But at the same time, so much time is spent attacking others for and on, with Jesse Waters, it's on the behalf of Trump defending him and going after those over such minor inconsequential things. And the bigger picture of this kind of gets us to the next thing that Caroline

Levitt said, like the real reason she was there is that this speech was a fiasco and the room full of world leaders was laughing at Trump. And it was not well received. he ranted about polling and lied about it and told people their countries are going to hell and all of this stuff. The real reason that Caroline Levitt was there is to argue that this was really a great speech. And she talks about how the room was packed and everybody wanted to see it and all of this stuff. But the room was laughing at him. And so she's really doing damage control.

And if she can add in there, they also were so unfair. They sabotaged the escalator and they sabotaged the teleprompter, all the better to show that guy is the ultimate victim. The president was blunt, very blunt today. It was definitely useful because these people have to get their act together. Do you think the UN heard the president loud and clear? Absolutely. In fact, the room was absolutely packed.

Now what's funny is she argued they did something to the audio, so he wasn't going to be as audible. But then it's like, oh no, they heard him loud and clear. To the walls, every single leader showed up for President Trump's speech today and they heard him loud and clear. And I am proud to work for President Trump every day, Jesse, but I was especially proud watching the president of the United States of America bring common sense to an organization that has made no sense for far too long. And the president gave some tough love. He said, you are all destroying your own countries. And the United States

of America was just being destroyed by one of your own. He took a, one of your own, a globalist in Joe Biden who had no idea what he was doing the press. So anyway, it was the best speech ever and everybody loved it. Nobody was laughing. Nobody was shocked by the level of self-serving authoritarianism and egocentrism. And then finally, the no new wars guy, we are told by Caroline Levitt, is ready for a fight. And that's a warning to Vladimir Putin. But the president has said if Vladimir Putin wants to keep fighting, well, the president

knows how to fight. ultimately always just see the president has wanted peace he's wanted this war to come to an end and he's made that very clear since he came into office in january the no new wars guy is ready to fight and has not exactly been able to end that war in one day the way he promised you have to remember in the world of authoritarianism the more they tout the strength of the leader the more they realize the leader is being seen as increasingly weak And Caroline Leavitt, you know, we've said, is she going to regret this when she's older? I don't know. I don't know. But I do know that with that huge cross she wears, there is nothing

Jesus like or Godlike about the facility with which she lies every single day. Now, unfortunately, while we've been filming the show, there's been a mass shooting. Three people have been shot at a Texas ice facility. The suspected gunman has been killed. And we're going to talk about that on the bonus show today. A jury has also convicted Ryan Ruth on all charges in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. And finally, California has issued a historic fine over a lawyer's chat GPT fabrications. Could this be the new thing? Major, major fines when chat GPT hallucinates and what is the legal liability here, an interesting discussion that we will have. Remember that this individual YouTube clip, if that's what you're watching, is part of a daily podcast. You can get that

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