The David Pakman Show - 9/26/22: Gavin Newsom Crushes DeSantis as Italy Taken by Right-Wingers

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

-- On the Show: -- Italy shifts to the extreme right as the neo-fascist Brothers of Italy party wins the most votes in national elections, potentially making Giorgia Meloni its leaders -- The House January 6 panel may unanimously refer Donald Trump for criminal prosecution -- California Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom absolutely crushes Ron DeSantis in recent interviews -- Jared Kushner slams Ron DeSantis over his Martha's Vineyard immigrant stunt, but it's nothing other than an implicit defense of Donald Trump -- Republican Senator John Barrasso pretends that telepathic document declassification might be real when asked about it by ABC's George Stephanopoulos -- Donald Trump's latest rally in Wilmington, North Carolina was so outrageous, even right wing Drudge Report raised questions about dementia -- Attendees at Donald Trump's latest rally are scary, including one guy who defends neo-nazis -- After the fiasco at last week's Ohio rally, Trump's rally security in North Carolina shut down people doing the Q-Anon salute -- According to a woman who spoke at a Republican town hall, not bullying people is a form of Marxism -- We're getting dangerously close to 1.5 million YouTube subscribers on our main channel -- Voicemail caller asks whether Joe Biden can telepathically reclassify the documents that Donald Trump telepathically declassified -- On the Bonus Show: Liz Cheney will campaign for Dems and leave GOP if Trump runs in 2024, 80% of US voters want national paid family leave, Rudy Giuliani ordered to pay ex-wife $225,000 or face jail, much more... ⚠️ Use code PAKMAN for a free supply of BlueChew at https://go.bluechew.com/david-pakman 🍎 Use code PAKMAN50 for 50% OFF your first Little Spoon order: https://littlespoon.com 🌿 Sunset Lake CBD: Get 20% OFF using code PAKMAN at https://sunsetlakecbd.com 🥣 Try Splendid Spoon! Get $120 OFF at https://splendidspoon.com/pakman 🧻 Reel Paper: Use code PAKMAN for 30% OFF + free shipping at https://reelpaper.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.davidpakman.com/pakmanlive -- Subscribe to Pakman Finance: https://www.davidpakman.com/pakmanfinance -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

. Let's start today with what is more horrible right wing news out of Italy, where Italy is shifting dramatically to the right as the Associated Press reports rewarding Maloney's party. Now, you may say Maloney. Wait, you're talking about Christopher Maloney, the guy from Law and Order? No, no, no, no, no. It has nothing to do with that. Let me tell you what's going on in Italy.

The AP reports a party with neo-fascist roots, the brothers of Italy, won the most votes in Italy's national elections, looking set to deliver the country's first far right led government since World War Two and make its leader, Giorgia Maloney, Italy's first woman premier. Near final results showed Monday Italy's lurch to the far right shifts Europe's geopolitical reality, placing a euro skeptic party in position to lead a founding member of the EU and its third largest economy. Right wing leaders across Europe immediately hailed Maloney's victory and her party's meteoric rise as sending an historic message to Brussels. Also, a report from BBC with a similar assessment and similar analysis. Maloney is widely expected to form

Italy's most right wing government since World War Two. Now, if you're interested in the specific policies that Maloney ran on and that her party ran on, Brothers of Italy, certainly take a look at that. It is a more or less standard package of this. Some call it right wing nationalism. Others say it really is neo fascist. Now, why has this been happening in Europe? Because we've seen it in Hungary. We've seen the rise of these movements in the Czech Republic and Poland and in many different places, even some of the more traditionally left wing countries like Sweden have seen elements of this right wing nationalism rise. The story that is told by the defenders, you've got your strong defenders and your soft defenders of

this right wing movement. The story they like to tell is a very similar story to what those in the U.S. like to tell about Donald Trump, which is these individuals have correctly identified economic concerns and they've coalesced those who feel as though they have been left behind as open border immigration has been welcomed and on and on. And they said, look here, I am actually getting a message that makes sense, which is we need to be. It's simply about being for the people that are here. It's about being, you know, in the US, the story was we want a guy who's for Americans, not for China, not for the Mexicans coming in through the border. We just he's for Americans. That's what's great about Trump. And it's a very similar story that they like to tell about the rise of these movements. Hey, listen, we finally

have someone who's going to speak up for Italians, not Turkish immigrants or Moroccan or whatever, whatever the country is, depending on where in Europe you are. There's nothing wrong with being for the French or for the Hungarians. It's it's for us. It's good. That's the story that's told. However, we know that it's not really about those economic realities and economic concerns because we have counter examples. You look to really good examples are the Czech Republic and Poland in the Czech Republic and Poland. There has been an improving economic situation by basically every measure over recent years.

And yet support for this right wing nationalist neo fascist movement has grown in the Czech Republic and in Poland over those years. So there's two possibilities. One possibility is even though the economy has been improving, a lot of people don't realize that. And so they say, no, we need these right wing nationalists. Now, that happens in the United States. People just ignorant of the reality. I mean, look at right now in the United States, despite some indicators not being so good like inflation, we are close to full employment and most economic indicators

are actually quite solid. You could have the same thing in Europe. The economy is improving. People don't believe it is. So then they go, we need a neo fascist. That's one possibility. Second possibility is it's not really about the economic stuff. And in the United States under Trump, some people felt that it was the populist economic message that attracted them to Trump. But we know it was more than that.

We know it was, if not creating racism and xenophobia, certainly welcoming it and saying you can all be part of this movement. And so they found a home with Trump. All of these things were really what was going on. And so propaganda is a huge part of it. Fear is a big part of it. We know that making people afraid leads them to reactionary political beliefs. When people become fearful, they reflexively say, well, let's do something about that fear. Much like if you were convinced that there was a really high risk of, for example, a home invasion in your neighborhood, you would, in a reactionary way, be willing to do all sorts of things that maybe when you're clear headed, you wouldn't be willing to do, whether it's buying all sorts of

guns or booby trapping or whatever. Right. I mean, you get the idea. Fear gets us to act in ways we would not normally act. And so fear about immigrants from northern Africa has been a big factor in Europe. Us versus them ideology. The European Union doesn't have our best interests in mind. And they're going to submit. It's similar to Trump stuff, right? NATO, NATO, it doesn't have our best interest in mind. These coalitions are bad. NAFTA is bad. All this stuff, similar sort of sort of idea. So where we end up. Is with the first, presumably, assuming in the next few hours everything goes as it is expected to go, the most right wing government in Italy dating all the way back to World War Two.

Scary stuff. And we're going to continue following this right word, right word trend. Big news out of the January 6th committee, the House January 6th committee investigating the Trump riots will have their next session after kind of a summer break on Wednesday. And I will try to cover that live schedule permitting the big news. And Business Insider has a good article explaining what's going on. January 6th committee members say they believe Trump was responsible for the riot and the panel might unanimously refer Trump for prosecution. This would be a really big deal.

It doesn't mean he would be prosecuted. And if he were, it doesn't mean he would be convicted. And if he were, it doesn't mean he would go to prison. But let's just start where we are. The highlights from this Business Insider report, January six committee members Schiff and Cheney spoke about the Capitol riot investigation on Sunday. They said they both believe Donald Trump committed wrongdoing, but they said the panel will give a unanimous verdict either way when it decides whether to refer Donald Trump for prosecution. So at the tail end of this committee and the series of hearings, the committee members will vote and they will say, are we referring Trump for criminal prosecution or not?

And what Schiff and Cheney are saying is it will be a unanimous verdict. We won't come out with a split verdict. We will all decide, much like a jury. Schiff said he will make the decision. His decision align with the rest of the committee so that they act unanimously. We operate with a high degree of consensus and unanimity. So there's a couple interesting things here that I want to discuss and how much we talk about this ahead of the actual decision. It's going to be limited because it's just going to be a matter of waiting and seeing. This is less about whether Donald Trump actually ends up in prison. Again, I do not believe Trump will end up in prison. I think even if you go

to the end of the rainbow to speak metaphorically to the conclusion to all of these criminal investigations, even in the event of a criminal conviction with a sentence as a former president, Trump will serve it out in one of his resorts. It's just he's not going to end up in prison. And for me, this is actually less about whether he even is given any prison time. That's like 10 steps away. This is more about another criminal problem for Trump as he considers running for 2024. And will it impede him from carrying out such a campaign? We already know that Donald Trump has been sued and criminally referred in New York by the attorney general, Letitia James.

We talked about that last week. We know that as a result of the FBI search warrant served at Mar-a-Lago, that is likely a criminal investigation that is moving well ahead and rather quickly. That's another legal problem. We know about what's going on in Georgia where Donald Trump. Remember, he needed I need eleven thousand votes. Give me a break. A probable wrongdoing there potentially charges. So the question is now with the addition of a potential criminal referral from the January six committee, is this just going to muck up his trying to run in 2024? Now, I get it. Many of you are like, oh, David, come on. Six years of this and nothing. It's but bombshell

after bombshell and yet nothing. As we continue to see evidence of Trump's wrongdoing, I'm with you. I'm with you. And if I had to issue a defense for why we should remain cautiously optimistic and again, I'm not even sure that we should. But if I wanted to make that case, the four years Trump was in office, he was protected to some degree by his own attorneys general. He had a completely corrupt in his pocket Republican Party who, even if they didn't love Trump, they weren't going to say much about it publicly other than the rare handful of folks like Mitt Romney and this ridiculous, you know, some of them call it a rule. It's really sort of like a what a tradition.

I don't even know where the Department of Justice doesn't indict sitting presidents and some Republicans arguing the Department of Justice really shouldn't even investigate sitting president. So that's all gone now. So now what Trump is dependent on or reliant upon is can can corrupt judges save him. And the truth is. There could have been a federal Trump indictment any time since January for the Mueller probe if they wanted to do that a January of 2021, but they haven't. He's no longer a sitting president. The evidence is all still available. So I share everyone's sort of skepticism,

but I try to maintain some degree of cautious optimism. And in the next three months, particularly, I mean, we're only six, five and a half, six weeks away from the six weeks from the midterms. There is the belief that after that, there may be action. But I'm with you guys. You know, I'm I'm not naively wide eyed and bushy tailed holding my breath for these indictments. They clearly should come. But whether they will, we will find out. Let me know what you expect. Find me on Twitter at Deepakman after the break. I'm actually going to have for you some positive examples of how Democrats need to be talking about the tomfoolery of the Republican Party. Stay with us. today is Blue Chew, a unique online service delivering the same active ingredients as Viagra and Cialis in a chewable form and at a fraction of the cost. And they're giving my

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I know you don't have to like Gavin Newsom's politics or that French laundry COVID dinner during the time of all sorts of shutdown guidelines. OK, to recognize that he gets the tone and the language that Democrats have to be using. Now, it seems pretty clear that Newsom is positioning himself to run for president or for the Democratic nomination in 2024. Great. Good for him. When we get the full list of who's running, I will evaluate the options and tell you who

I support right now. The issue is he gets that there needs to be a certain edge and ruthlessness to how Democrats go after Republicans. Check out this first clip. This is from a Texas Tribune event over the weekend where Gavin Newsom is asked about the busing of migrants that's been done as a political stunt by Texas and California. I'm sorry, by Texas and Florida. And he morally frames the entire thing correctly. Take a listen. Speaker 4 Look, it's clear that DeSantis broke the law. Question is, which law did he break? Did he break the laws of his own state? Did he break federal law? But one thing he did is he broke with precedent, any precedent of decency and honor. His lack of character on display.

He comes into another state, your state, to try to find pawns in a political game, rounds them up, sends them to an island, and then fundraisers off it. What does that say about his character and the character of the Republican Party that celebrated that act of cruelty and dehumanization? So I called it out because I find it offensive and disgraceful, and I find it increasingly normalized now in the Republican Party. It's certainly well established here with Greg Abbott, who is apparently getting more attention on this topic than Ron DeSantis,

and he wanted in. And I mean that. And that's what's happened to the Republican Party in this country, and that needs to be called out. And Ron DeSantis rightfully is being called out, but by not enough people. And that's what concerns me, particularly with the silence, the appalling silence within the Republican Party. Speaker 1 Yeah, he is completely right. These issues need to be framed morally as the morally decrepit failures that they are by the party, the Republicans who claim the moral majority. They claim to value life

and the dignity of life. When you use immigrants awaiting asylum adjudication as political pawns, lie to them to get them on planes, not to Boston for jobs as they were promised, but to Martha's Vineyard as Martha's Vineyard shuts down for the winter and goes into off season where there's no jobs on this tiny island to make political points and to score political points with people's lives. It's not the dignity and respect for life that they claim to have. And Newsom gets it. Here's another clip of Newsom. And again, you don't have to say this guy aligns with me on every political view to recognize that there's a very few Democrats that are actually talking about these issues in this way and framing them

in this way. Katie Porter is really good at it. Pete Buttigieg is really good at it. There aren't that many people that are that good at what he is doing. And Newsome here making the point the Santas is just a bully. We didn't treat bullies kindly when I was a kid. I like Charlie Chris and I don't like. By the way, the context here is that Newsom is explaining he donated to Charlie Christ, who's the Democrat running against Ron DeSantis for governor of

Florida. You want to ask what my why is in life? I don't like bullies. I don't like people that demean people. I don't like people talk down to people. I don't like people that talk down to people. I didn't like what DeSantis said about Fauci. He may disagree with him, but to call someone pejorative terms because they're short? Who the hell raised these guys? What kind of people are they? I mean, I know all of us had to, you know, sit there and suck it up and take Trump's demonization. But not everybody has to act like him.

I mean, literally, I remember growing up and folks would have their mouths washed out with soap if they talked like this. I got four kids. I don't want these guys being models. You're attacking LGBT community, you're attacking women. I mean, this guy's so extreme. You rape and incest? Ron DeSantis talks Talks about freedom?

And a young girl's raped by her father? Doesn't have the right to her own body to make her own decisions? Sick. Spare me freedom. There's no freedom. There's no choice. So, yeah, I'm standing up as a human being. Got to use those dollars.

And I hope others of you send money to send a message that if that's the future of the damn Republican Party, this country's in real trouble. And that's what we've been saying for a long time. The left has the moral high ground on so many of these issues. The left has the moral high ground on the abortion issue. The right likes to claim it for themselves. But what is important is, can you articulate it clearly? And many Democrats struggle to articulate that moral high ground clearly. And what I like about Newsom is that he is doing that. Now, we can talk about who should represent Democrats on the presidential ticket in twenty twenty four if Joe Biden doesn't run. That's a different question

than is Newsom striking the right tone and getting down to the crux, really the kernel of of truth, fundamental truth here about the disgusting nature of what the Republican Party has become. I believe that he is now. Chris has a very much uphill battle in Florida, and we've looked at the polling there. It doesn't look particularly good for Charlie Crist, but that's a different question than is this the language and the tone that Democrats should be using? I believe the answer is yes. If you disagree with me or if you agree with me, let me know. I want to hear from you. All right. Making big news over the weekend is a short video clip in which Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son in law.

Attacks or criticizes, maybe better said, Ron DeSantis is Martha's Vineyard immigrant stunt. Now, as a reminder, this is the stunt in which Ron DeSantis sent via plane migrants awaiting asylum adjudication in Texas to Martha's Vineyard, a small island off the coast of Massachusetts, lied to them, promised jobs, said, you're going to Boston, you're going to get expedited regular normalization of your immigration set, all these different lies, lured them there, potentially illegal, using these people's lives essentially as political pawns. So a big deal was made of the fact that Jared

Kushner went on Fox News and he said he was against it. He said he doesn't like what Ron DeSantis did. There is a very specific self-serving reason why he said this, and many of you already know what it is. Let's look at the clip and then discuss. I also we have to remember these are human beings, they're people. So seeing them being used as political pawns one way or the other is very troubling to me.

OK, Jared's against it. He says these are people seeing these people used as political pawns is troubling to me. Wow, that's that's true. I agree with that. Right. Well, let's just think of both the hypocrisy and the real reason for this, number one, the hypocrisy is that during Trump's presidency, he tried to do something very similar. He said if there's an interview where Miles Taylor spoke about this, Trump said, let's bus immigrants from the border and put them in Democratic cities.

And Trump actually wanted to Trump's idea was, let's find the ones that are that are criminals and bring them to Democratic cities. So Trump wanted to do the exact same thing. There is no moral high ground here for what Jared Kushner is saying. The reason why Jared Kushner is saying this is very, very simple. In the betting markets, Ron DeSantis has now taken a lead over Donald Trump in terms of who is expected to be the Republican presidential nominee in 2024. We have seen this fight growing now for months and months. Donald Trump increasingly was furious with Ron DeSantis because when Ron DeSantis was asked about running in 2024,

DeSantis didn't say, well, I would only consider running if Trump doesn't want it. Trump is mad at DeSantis because Trump wants DeSantis on his knees, praying at the altar of Trump and saying, if the orange fearless leader wants the nomination, I will get out of the way. DeSantis hasn't done that. And that has caused anger for Donald Trump. And slowly but surely over the last year, we have seen in the betting numbers. Remember, this is when people bet on who they believe will be the nominee, not polling. The betting numbers have shifted more and more and more away from being in Trump's favor to the point where now

Ron DeSantis, by a small margin, is favored to be the Republican 2024 nominee in the betting markets. This is why Jared Kushner is taking the opportunity to attack DeSantis. It's not because of an actual moral conflict here where he doesn't like what it is that Ron DeSantis did because Trump tried to do the exact same thing. That's what this is about. And my hope is that it gets very, very ugly between Trump and DeSantis. My hope is that Trump wants the nomination and that so does DeSantis and that they get into a big to do and it just sabotages them. That would really be the goal. You're not going to believe this next clip. This this is just unbelievable. It I expected that it would happen, but I didn't

know that it would be John Barrasso. Last week during a whacked interview with Sean Hannity, Donald Trump talked about telepathic declassification of documents. Donald Trump said during his interview with Sean Hannity that his president, he could think about declassifying a document and that declassifies the document. Don't believe me. You don't have to. Here's the video. And, you know, there's different people say different things.

But as I understand, that doesn't have to be. If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying it's declassified even by thinking about it because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago or to wherever you're sending it. There it is. Just by thinking about declassification, you can declassify documents. This is absolutely sickening. Insane.

Absurd, comical in some weird way. Well, Republican Senator John Barrasso went on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos yesterday. Stephanopoulos rhetorically asks him about telepathic declassification. And Barrasso doesn't even say that's that's absurd, George. Look at this. This is unbelievable. Well, I want to ask you about the investigation of Donald Trump's handling of classified information, even though his lawyers have provided no evidence that he declassified the documents. Trump said this week that as president, he could declassify documents by thinking about it. Do you agree with that? I've not heard that one before, George. Like

I tell you, in terms of national security, folks. He's answering it like it's a real question. He's answering it like it's a real thing. Telepathic declassification. We have to always use extreme caution. I'm on the Foreign Relations Committee. We deal with classified information all of the time. And really. And have you ever on that Foreign Relations Committee dealt with the telepathic declassification of documents? They're always very careful. I don't know what what anything about the rules for when a president declassifies.

I mean, maybe the rules allow telepathic declassification. Maybe they don't documents and information. What I do know is what I'd like to see from a Senate standpoint is I'd like to see the Department of Justice come to us and show us in a classified setting what the information is, what they've done. I thought this was a raid at the former president's home. And now you'll see Stephanopoulos realize that Barrasso's lost the plot and try to get him back on track by saying, Senator, what I said is absurd. Never seen anything like that before,

clearly, and has become political. So I want to get a briefing so that we can then be informed to see what actually happened here. That was a rhetorical question. You know that a president can't declassify documents by thinking about it. Why can't you say so? I don't think a president can declassify documents by saying so, by thinking about it. Why does it by saying so? No, by thinking about it. What is wrong with this guy? Is this guy so under the thumb

of Trumpism that he can't just come out and say, George, of course, you can't think about documents and declassify them? Of course. Of course. First and foremost, I also am concerned about how the search warrant was approved. Oh, OK. Well, now we have a conversation to talk about. But 60 seconds about, well, listen, you know, we should figure out what the documents are and then determine what are the methods we're talking about telepathically declassified declassifying documents here. Oh, yeah. No, you can't do that.

That's true. I guess you can't do that. These people are off the deep end. And if you think this is bad, just wait until you see what I have coming up after the break. Remember, you can find all of these clips that we play on the show on our Instagram. Search David Pakman show on Instagram. I can pick advertising partners that share our values and our sponsor, Sunset Lake CBD, grows the highest quality CBD you can find anywhere. And it's an awesome company. It's a hemp farm outside Burlington, Vermont. I love Burlington that uses sustainable farming practices

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and outrageous speech in Wilmington, North Carolina over the weekend. Drudge Report after Trump's completely dissembled speech saying dementing Don, dementing Don. Yes, this has now gone mainstream. Donald Trump holding a so-called rally in Wilmington, North Carolina over the weekend, which we covered live on YouTube, Twitch and Facebook at the rally. Trump didn't make any sense. And you absolutely have to see some of the things that took place. Donald Trump denied being a terrorist at the event. Understand that a former president is denying being a terrorist. That is not normal in the United States to falsely label MAGA, make America great again. MAGA. Remember what you know, they say, MAGA, MAGA, MAGA. They don't want

to say what it means. It means make America great again. Uncle Sam supporters as they want to call us domestic terrorists. You believe it? I'm not a terrorist, but you know what? There's great anger in this country right now. There's great anger in this country. Never forget all of this torment, persecution and oppression is not happening because of anything we've done wrong. Right. Donald Trump, as usual, taking no responsibility for anything but denying that he's a terrorist. In another really weird moment, Donald Trump said we have to keep America gay, which was

another one of these bizarre glitches where you can tell that his brain and his mouth are struggling to connect in anything that we would call common sense. Just take a listen to this great country. Remember I was going to say it's going to use an expression. We have to keep our country gay. But it's not. I mean, for some reason, it's just not great anymore. Oh, dear God, we have to keep our country gay. In all seriousness. It used to never be OK to say the country isn't the best. Remember that during the Iraq war, for example, during

which I started following and covering politics. Whenever those on the left would say this really makes the U.S. look bad, this invasion of Iraq because of 9-11, even though they had nothing to do with each other after making a case with faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction. It makes the country look terrible globally. And the polls showed it. And Republicans would say, no, that's unpatriotic. You can never criticize this country ever, ever, ever. And now it's completely mainstream for Republicans in the Trump MAGA world to say the country is no longer great. It used to be totally unacceptable to say that. Then Donald Trump does his N-word thing. And you can tell that when Trump asks the crowd,

do you know what the N-word is? They get really excited. The N-word, you know what the N-word is? It's no, no, no. Trump going no, no, no. Before the crowd starts yelling it out. And there were a handful of black people there that who would have would have probably not loved that. But Trump has to tell the crowd, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about a different N-word N-word. You know what the N-word is? It's no, no, no.

It's the nuclear word. He mentioned the N-word yesterday that you can see one one black guy over Trump's left shoulder sort of nodding a sigh of relief as Trump says it's it's nuclear. It's nuclear. Everybody's sort of relaxed here. A very, very strange moment. And then Donald Trump again, just one of these things where it's not clear whether his mind is scrambled or the teleprompter is glitching. You know, everything they do is disinformation. They say things and they keep saying I'm saying I'm saying I'm as people start even the believing them or not believing them. There's not a lot of belief in this place with all these thousands of people

going as far as the eye can see. Yeah, doesn't make any sense. And then lastly, Donald Trump, again, playing the ominous conspiracy music as he talks about how bad things are in the country. In this particular case, rambling about airports being dirty, I guess. We are a nation whose once revered airports are dirty and a crowded mess where you sit and wait for hours and then are notified that the plane won't leave and they have no idea when it will. And they should wear ticket prices are through the roof. They don't have the pilots fly the

planes they don't want or seek qualified air traffic controllers. Yeah. So anyway, Trump knows very little about what's going on in commercial aviation. He's flown private for like 20 years. Bonus clip bonus clip. One of the speakers before Trump mentioned Joe Biden and the crowd immediately says, lock them up. Remember, that's not due process. That's not law and order. Speaker 4 and he wants to hire eighty seven thousand more IRS agents to treat all of these working families like tax cheats. By the way, remember, fifty five

thousand of the eighty seven thousand are to replace retiring agents. It's all really not very scary when you know the facts. Come on, folks. Lock him up. Look. Remember, it is not law and order to lock up someone who hasn't even been charged with a crime. Scary stuff. And the attendees are even scarier at Donald Trump's rally over the weekend in Wilmington, North Carolina. Real America's Voice and Right Side Broadcasting and these right wing networks spoke to attendees.

A truly classic moment. Ed Henry and his co-host speak to an attendee trying to make the case that there's no neo Nazis here. Right. And the attendee says, listen, I respect that neo-Nazis have a right to voice their opinion. Now, there's already articles that were circulating that I was reading while he was speaking when we were in between things. And they're talking about the white supremacists that were here and the neo-Nazis. Did you see any neo-Nazis tonight? Not a single one. And if any

were here, you know, I respect people's privacy and their their right to voice their opinions. I mean, you don't agree with them. I don't necessarily agree with anybody. I have I don't necessarily look. I don't disagree with the neo-Nazis any more than I disagree with anybody else. I don't know. I don't believe so.

I think that this is America. We all have the opinion to believe what we choose to believe. Dear God. And the girlfriend looks horrified. Absolutely horrified. There's no neo-Nazis here, right? I don't think so. But I mean, listen, I respect their right to privacy and the right to voice their opinions. But you disagree with them, right? I don't know. I don't particularly disagree or agree with anybody. What complete and total backfire of the point that they were trying to make. Here's a guy interviewed before the speech who said it is baffling to him

that Biden hasn't been impeached already, that Biden should be impeached for what he's done with with wasn't what he did with Afghanistan, for one. Right. Which is the exact same thing Trump would have done, by the way, us leaving and not helping our our troops that are still over there today. Right. It's just it it baffles my mind that a sitting president can sleep at night knowing what he's done. That by. She is. This is a sad state of affairs, I have to tell you. And the interviewer there, by the way, if she looks familiar, that's one of Trump's lawyers.

And it's everything is just humiliating. Here's a guy who believes Trump is a genius. I'm going to tell you why I support President Trump. Yeah, he is a problem solver. In fact, I'm amazed of his genius. Yeah. This guy can't even believe how smart Trump is and the number of problems that he has solved. And then lastly, here is a woman who is really confused about like rigged elections, I guess. I mean, I think it starts from the governor. I'll say he's corrupt.

I don't think he won. There's no way. Right. When Trump and all Republicans won the downline that he won in 2020. And I don't care who knows that. But but, you know, it's just I feel like the state has a lot of corruption. Yep. So all the Democrats that supposedly won in North Carolina, they didn't really win. But the Republicans clearly all did when a Republican won. They won fair and square, even if a lot of these folks were all on the same ballot, weaponized

disinformation and delusions weaponized. I don't know how you undo it. OK, one other really quick note here at Trump's previous rally in Ohio, we had this crazy thing where he starts playing dramatic music while he talks about how terrible things are in the U.S. And a lot of people in the crowd did a one finger salute. And we didn't know whether the idea was that it's a Nazi salute, except they're doing one finger instead of the flat hand. So it doesn't look the same or whether it's a QAnon salute because QAnon has this W.W. one. You know, you guys know the thing. OK, so it turns out it's a QAnon thing. And the Trump people caught wind that it doesn't look great for there to be QAnon

salutes happening at Trump rallies. So when they started playing the dramatic conspiracy music at Trump's latest rally in Wilmington, North Carolina, security actually went through the crowd telling people to put down their hands. It was very, very interesting. And there's a couple of different posts about this. In this one, you see one guy with an American flag shirt with the one finger thing. And then you see these security people going through the crowd. And it was widely reported that they were telling all those people to put their hands down, to put their fingers down, that they didn't want to see that. We actually have a video of this happening as well. And this is while Donald Trump is speaking. And you see some of these people with their fingers up and then you start to see the security people go through the crowd and saying, put your finger down,

put your finger down. You see these people go through finger hands down, hands down, hands down, a bunch of them, and then the fingers come down. They clearly have realized that it doesn't look particularly good for this to be happening because it's a QAnon salute. Now, what's really funny is initially the reaction was they're just saying we're number one. Of course, that doesn't make any sense because they're saying we're number one, supposedly during the part of the speech where Trump talks about how terrible the country has become. So why would they decide to say we're number one while Trump is talking about our airports are terrible. You know, crime is rampant. The economy is terrible. Our leaders, everything's terrible. Oh, yeah, we're number one. That doesn't make any sense. So then now they're implicitly admitting that it is not a salute, that is just

we're number one because security goes through the crowd when the fingers come up and they say, you got to put those fingers down. Just a little note for everybody on that particular issue. It was never the truth that they believed that they were just saying we're number one ever, ever, ever. It's a QAnon salute. It looks bad. And now they're having their literal brown shirts. It's an extra security force that wears brown shirts, go through the crowd and say, put the fingers down. These rallies have become completely dystopian. Something in your home that you use every day contributes to deforestation and climate change, and that's toilet paper in the US alone. Over 30 million trees each year are required to meet toilet paper demands contributing to deforestation,

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rounds from a Republican town hall. Republicans in the House have been doing this commitment to America agenda rollout town halls. And it's all weird. And they're trying to pretend like they care about policy again. But the policy is all just cultural issues and random nonsense. So at this event and House minority leader, Congressman Kevin McCarthy, was at this event. A woman gets up, you know, a concerned mom in the audience, the the a prototypical concerned mom. And she lists a whole bunch of things that she believes are really Marxism.

And in that list, she includes not bullying people, not bullying people is Marxism, according to this Republican mom, supposedly. And this is a there is so much behind this that I want to talk about it. But first, let's take a look at the clip. And you'll notice if you're watching that as she talks about this, Kevin McCarthy kind of nods along like this makes sense. There are many other public education issues concerning parents like myself, the slow creep of critical race theory, diversity, equity and inclusion, right, gender identity and

allowing biological boys to enter girls' spaces and sports. Now we have SEL, which is social emotional learning. It's indoctrination disguised as programs like kindness initiatives or anti-bullying programs or diversity projects. These are all Marxist style programs targeting our children. Yeah. So listen, there there's a lot going on here and there's many, many, many layers now at the most superficial level. If you've watched the Trump rally, it does kind of seem like Republicans are OK with bullying. I don't know that I would say

pro bullying, maybe so, but they're at least OK with it. You know, Trump would get him the hell out of here. Trump saying to people in the crowd, he'll pay their legal bills if they beat the crap out of protesters at the rallies, making fun of the disabled reporter. I mean, there's bullying of all sorts, never mind this entire like beta male type stuff that they subscribe to. So one part of it is they do seem to buy into this kind of strict father morality idea that getting knocked around a little bit, getting bullied, whatever, it builds character.

It toughens you up. It makes people strong or whatever the case may be, rather than, you know, it can really kind of scar people for life and ruin their lives irreparably in some cases. So that's one part of it, which is they actually do seem to sort of be OK with bullying to some degree. Number one. Number two, this is part of the growing movement that empathy is bad. Empathy is not desirable. Empathy is bad. Empathy is not desirable. Empathy is feminine in some way or beta or whatever. And that's been increasingly a part of Republican ideology for a long time. Facts don't care about your feelings is a popular line. Listen, things just are what they are. You got to call things what they are. You got to call a man a man no matter what you've got to call. You know, these are the phrases that they love to use where empathy is a bad thing.

Now. I don't know that they're unable to be empathetic because we do anecdotally hear about these stories where, you know, homophobic member of Congress for 20 years. Turns out they've got a lesbian daughter or, you know, a gay nephew or something like that. And all of a sudden they they change their view. So in those cases, we say it's really sad that it took something like that to get them to change their views. But they were at least able to. So maybe maybe it's not just about an inability to feel empathy. But then we have all of these studies about the differences between what end up being Republican brains or Democratic brains. And we see on the Republican side, larger fear centers, less empathy, et cetera. Now, I think one of the things that can be deceptive about that is

it's not about. Republican and Democratic brains per se, it's more about who's more fear oriented, who's more anger oriented, who's more disgust oriented, they end up being on the political right, which in the United States pushes you towards the Republican Party. And if you consider that, maybe there is some kind of neurological or biological explanation here. But then the counterpoint to that is sometimes when they experience something themselves, their views do change.

What I don't like is that this is all kind of a cover for the fact that they're mad that in some circles it's not seen as acceptable to openly bully people who are in some way different than the majority. It's not OK in some places anymore, thankfully, to openly bully LGBT people. A lot of them don't like that minorities in many cases. They would still they they like the idea of the days where it was OK to more openly bully or poorly treat minorities. And now they're upset. It's considered woke that you can't do that anymore. That's at the crux of all of this stuff and absent policy because the Republican Party has given up on policy. When's the last time you heard a serious discussion involving Republicans about what tax rates

should be? They don't do it anymore. It's gone. They're just not doing it anymore. When is the last time they genuinely talked productively about American foreign policy other than just criticizing Biden because he both didn't do enough and did too much by spending too much money when it comes to Ukraine? They don't even pretend to be about policy anymore.

This new movement where this mom concerned mom spoke, it's them pretending to care about policy again, even though they clearly don't. And it's just about bemoaning the fact that they can't treat all the same people horribly that they used to treat horribly, truly disgusting stuff. Hey, this is sort of sort of exciting. The David Pakman show is now within striking distance of one point five million YouTube subscribers. Thank your lucky stars every day. You're not Dave. Well, hold on a second because things are turning up. This is actually a really great thing for us. There are very few progressive YouTube

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and classify them. And thus it becomes completely indefeasible one way or the other, because no matter what, at any point, any document could be classified or declassified based on what the current president has thought about. It's absurd. These people are nuts, guys. These people, the telepathic declassification. Give me a break. It's pathetic. We have a great bonus show for you today. Liz Cheney, Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney, outgoing because she was defeated in her Republican primary in Wyoming. Liz Cheney, Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney, outgoing because she was defeated in her Republican primary in Wyoming. Liz Cheney says that if Trump is the nominee in 2024, she will leave the Republican Party

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