The David Pakman Show - 9/27/22: Right Wingers Defend Neo-Fascists, White House Called Rioter

Episode Date: September 27, 2022

-- On the Show: -- Alison Hayden, Republican candidate running in California's 14th District, joins David to discuss her candidacy, her views on the 2020 election, Donald Trump, MAGA, and more -- Right wingers rush in to praise neo-fascist Giorgia Meloni's victory in Italy, including Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Lauren Bobert, and Charlie Kirk -- It is revealed that a White House number called one of the January 6 Trump rioters as the riots were taking place -- Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg brutally crushes Florida Governor Ron DeSantis' Martha's Vineyard immigrant stunt -- OAN host Alison Steinberg flips out on David after he debunked her Nest thermostat conspiracy theory, including calling him triggered, soy-infused, and even worse -- Donald Trump is now sending out sick fundraising emails on the basis of his proposal to execute drug dealers -- Donald Trump's lawyer Alina Habba humiliates herself on TV once again --Astrologist voicemail caller explains Donald Trump's approval with astrology -- On the Bonus Show: Hurricane Ian's latest destructive path, Vladimir Putin grants Russian citizenship to Edward Snowden, charges unlikely against Matt Gaetz in federal probe, much more... 🎠 Busy Box Child: Save 10% with code PAKMAN at https://busyboxchild.com ❄️ ChiliSleep by SleepMe: Get 25% OFF your bed-cooling system at https://chilisleep.com/pakman 💪 Athletic Greens is offering FREE year-supply of Vitamin D at https://athleticgreens.com/pakman 🧻 Reel Paper: Use code PAKMAN for 30% OFF + free shipping at https://reelpaper.com/pakman 🔊 Try Blinkist for FREE and get 25% off at http://www.blinkist.com/pakman -- Become a Supporter: http://www.davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/thedavidpakmanshow -- Subscribe to Pakman Live: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanlive -- Subscribe to Pakman Finance: https://www.youtube.com/pakmanfinance -- Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow -- Like us on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow -- Leave us a message at The David Pakman Show Voicemail Line (219)-2DAVIDP

Well, yesterday we started the show with this disastrous news out of Italy in which a far right nationalist group with individuals within it, like Giorgio Maloney, who have neo fascist roots and origins in their sort of political lives, are coming to power in Italy. And we also talked a little more broadly about the origins and the catalysts for this right word shift in Italy. It shouldn't surprise us that in the 24 hours following the news of what's taking place in Italy, American right wingers, who, of course, don't claim to be fascists or neo fascists or anything of the sort,

have rallied behind Georgia Maloney in some cases without even actually knowing what her name is. Marjorie Taylor Greene referring to her as Georgio. Maybe she thinks it's a man. I don't really know, but we'll get to that in a moment. And saying that this is a great thing, that there is the rise of the right in Europe, which is not altogether wrong. In fact, we talked about that yesterday, but also pretending as though Georgia Maloney and her party are just kind of mainstream individuals rather than the extreme rightists that they are. So let's take a look at a couple of clips. First here is Charlie Kirk on The Charlie Kirk Show saying this isn't fascism, Georgia Maloney and her ideology. This is middle of the road Common sense. Take a listen.

Speaker 4 Here, of course, on the American media is Georgia Maloney being called a fascist on MSNBC. You know, they're all for democracy until somebody who they don't like wins and then they call. Speaker 1 Well, there's there's two different things here, right? You can be a fascist who won through democratic means. Now, she's not literally a fascist, but she was a member when she was younger of the youth front. That's a neo fascist. It's the youth wing of a neo fascist political party called the Italian

Social Movement. It's it's not a question of opinion. It's what it is. That person, Mussolini, play cut 35. The victory of a party that has its roots in Italian fascism. Yeah. Plain and simple. The Brothers of Italy, it's called Giorgio Maloney's party, is concerning to everybody. It accompanies, as you said, this move in Europe. Who could think that in Sweden, a party with right-wing neo-fascist roots would now be dominant in parliament? It's sweeping all across Europe and they can't figure out why. It's not fascist. It's common sense. It's normal. It's middle of the road. It's about things that are eternally important, not about gender theory, postmodernist constructs,

squashing the imperialist, colonialist history. No, no, no. This is about things that transcend all of that. And this is a perfect example of exactly how these parties become popular. We talked about this yesterday. We talked about exactly this. This is what they do. This is the type of stuff that they say. Oh, these are about the real issues. You've got to be afraid of immigrants from other countries. We've got to stop the gender stuff by saying that this is normal. He is proving exactly the point we made yesterday. The American political scene is going through the exact same thing now. In fact, you see the globalists, the globalists, the globalists. There it is. The Uniparty.

They have to do everything they possibly can to try and thwart this movement. Now we're going to get back to that in a moment. But it was not just Charlie Kirk, Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeting congratulations to Giorgio Maloney and to the people of Italy, of course, just another one of Marjorie Taylor Greene's typos, as usual. And radical and repugnant Republican Congresswoman Lauren Boebert tweeted, quote, This month, Sweden voted for a right wing government. Now Italy voted for a strong right wing government. She has to acknowledge that in Italy it's even further right, but she can't use

the term neo-fascist. The entire world is beginning to understand that the woke left does nothing but destroy. November 8th is coming soon and the USA will fix our House and Senate. Let freedom reign. This is a hard right ideology that dabbles into neo fascism. Now, in the last 24 hours, there have been many enlightened centrists and others who have come out of the woodwork and said it's not really fascism. Giorgio Maloney, it's the brothers of Italy. It's not really fascism. No, but it has its origins in fascism. Maloney joined the youth front, which is the youth wing of the neo-fascist political party, the Italian

social movement MSI in 1992. They've taken these extreme nationalist positions, hard line against immigration, put out the Italian Navy to patrol the water and block migrants from arriving by sea. Vox has written that Maloney's victory will roll back minority rights, including the rights of women, LGBTQ people and migrants. It's the typical hard right package. The brothers of Italy use the insignia and the slogan God country family, which is an echo to its fascist predecessors. She's against abortion. She's against same sex marriage. She's against same sex parenting. She's against multiculturalism.

In May of 2020, she praised Giorgio Almirante, who's the co-founder of the Italian social movement, which is that group that neo fascist group I told you about. Almirante was a Nazi collaborator and editor in chief of an anti-Semitic and racist magazine, which published something called the Manifesto of Race. There's a lot of this stuff. Maloney has praised the Italian dictator Mussolini as a, quote, good politician, the best of the last 50 years. That was in a French newscast in 1996. So this stuff is not just being made up out of thin air. This is the reality. And what's happening is a sort of rewriting of history. Some people don't really know that much about Italian fascism.

Others are easily convinced that this is nothing to do with it. But the roots of this movement are Italian fascism. That's the reality. And so certainly you can make the case she is not a fascist per se. And I'm with you. But this is a hard right group with its origins in terms of the individuals that make it up in neo fascism and even worse. And it shouldn't shock us even for a second that the right wingers are jumping to defend it because they've openly, openly romanticized these types of movements during the Trump era. We have an incredible bit of news.

The White House called a Trump rioter on January 6th. Uh oh. Why would that be the case? Well, let's see if we can figure this out. But this is blowing the lid off of yet another part of the Trump riot investigation. There's a CNN article that summarizes this quite well. Listen to this. On January 6th at 434 p.m., a cell phone registered to a Capitol riot, a rioter who stormed the

Capitol, got a phone call from a White House landline. OK, CNN has obtained the records. Other news outlets have looked at the records. This happened. OK, White House calls calls a Trump rioter on January 6. The call lasts nine seconds. Who placed the call from the White House? Well, we don't know right now because the White House has landlines and many people work at the White House. So we don't know. Could have been anybody who works at the White House. OK. According to the records, the call came from a 202 number, which is the publicly available number for the White House. Doesn't show a specific extension. So we don't know whose whose phone it came from. The call was placed in the late afternoon, right after Trump did the video message saying to the

rioters, we love you, but go home. It's unclear, CNN writes. What if any connection exists between the White House and the rioter, including whether the call was made by mistake and whether the call went to voicemail? Mistake. That'd be quite a coincidental wrong number, quite a coincidental wrong number. What else do we know about it? Well, we know who the call was made to. The cell phone belonged to a 26 year old Trump supporter from Brooklyn, New York, named Anton Lunick, who traveled to D.C. the night before with two friends, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation.

The three men attended the Stop the Steal rally on the Ellipse and then with hundreds of others entered and illegally demonstrated inside the Capitol. They were charged. They pleaded guilty in April and they were sentenced earlier this month. All three declined to comment to CNN. According to multiple sources, Lunick says he doesn't remember getting that nine second call from the White House and says he doesn't know anyone who worked in the Trump White House. The phone call wasn't mentioned in Lunick's sentencing or in any court documents, and a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in D.C. has declined to comment. So what

exactly does this mean? And there are a number of questions here. Number one, how do you not remember a phone call from the White House? You didn't get the call or you got it, but you don't remember what was said or they left you a voicemail or what? You have no memory of it. That's different than I never received such a call. I have no memory of it. That's really weird I never received such a call. I have no memory of it. That's really weird. It's obviously very difficult to believe that it's a random coincidence. There's a riot going on. Trump says to the rioters that he loves them, but it's time to go home. One of the rioters is at the Capitol. And the White House, it's like a butt dial. Someone just

happens to accidentally call the phone of the rioter. Doesn't really make sense. So it obviously leads to speculation. Could it be, well, someone at the White House was in touch with this rioter, meant to call the rioter on their cell phone, but realized they were using the White House line. And so they quickly hung up. Is that a possibility? Again, we're left to speculate because the official explanations so far don't make absolutely any sense. This particular writer, Lunick, was seen in the background of an individual named Baked Alaska's live stream from Jeff Merkley's office on January 6th. They'd broken into Jeff Merkley's office. Lunick, you can see in the background of a Baked Alaska live stream. Is it possible someone at the White House was

watching the stream, saw Lunick, was like, oh, that's the guy we've been in touch with or I know that guy or something. The other speculation is Lunick agreed to cooperate to some degree for a lighter sentence. Is that related to why there seems to be no comment from anybody and not much of a desire, seemingly to get to the bottom of who it is from the White House that called Lennox only questions right now. But the fact that someone from the White House called this guy on the day of the riots raises all new sets of questions about the connections between the Trump White House and the rioters, not generally.

Right. Of course, you can say, well, generally they were like, we'll make a speech and we'll say, let's walk down to Pennsylvania, walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. And some of these people are going to follow. OK, fine. We knew that this is about the specific connection between an individual at the White House and this particular writer on that exact day. Will we ever know what happened? Yeah, I think we actually will. I think it's likely that we will get to the bottom of this. Multiple news agencies working on it, but it doesn't look good. What do you believe is the explanation for this phone call? Let me know. You can find me on Twitter at Deepakman. Thank you. elementary age child stay off screens and do some really interesting stuff. Technology use by kids

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This is bullying. And I'm against this. I'm against this. And I believe that he did a great job of using the right language and tone that Democrats need to use. Let's not shy away from the fact that the left does have the moral high ground on most issues when compared to these completely amoral right wingers. Well, I have another clip from that

very same event, and it's of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. And again, I've mentioned yesterday, I mentioned there are certain people right now in the Democratic Party that know how to talk about these issues. Gavin Newsom is one of them. I've talked about Katie Porter. To some degree, we've talked about Stacey Abrams and Jamie Raskin. Pete Buttigieg is also one of those folks. And here is Pete talking about the Ron DeSantis stunt. We need more Democrats talking about issues in this way. Take a look at this. Speaker 4 Obviously, there are issues with the border and with migration, but these are the kinds of stunts you see from people who don't have a solution. Right.

Where have these, Governor DeSantis was in Congress. Where was he when they were debating immigration reform? What have any of these people done to be part of the solution? So, you know, I get if you're after attention, it's one thing to call attention to a problem. When you have a course of action, as some of the folks here speaking up about an issue exercising their First Amendment rights have done, or in elected office, it's another to just call attention to a problem because the problem is actually more useful to you than the solution, and that helps you call attention to yourself. Correct. And that's what's going on. And the problem, of course, it's one thing if that was just people being obnoxious, but human beings are being

impacted by that. You flee a communist regime in Venezuela, you come here and then somebody tricks you. Somebody using Florida taxpayer money for some reason, tricks you into going from Texas to Massachusetts. It's it's it's not just ineffectual. It is hurting people in order to get attention. It is morally depraved what was done. In other words, we need more Democrats talking about issues in this way. What Gavin Newsom and Mayor Pete, secretary of transportation, he'll always be Mayor Pete

to some degree. What Newsom and Mayor Pete capture here is the essence of how bad faith these Republicans are. I joke around about, you know, this guy has upper management written all over him. There is some sense that Pete Buttigieg is not going to peak at secretary of transportation because he is really good at this. And unfortunately, we still have a situation where people judge him for who he loves. The fact that he's married to a guy, I believe that that is going to be a diminishing impediment for Mayor Pete over time. I don't know how soon and I don't know how quickly. But what's interesting is I actually have some sort of center center, right?

I have some sort of like socially liberal, but typically Republican voting friends for fiscal reasons who they like Mitt Romney, for example. They kind of like McCain, who like Pete, not because they agree or disagree so much with his social views or his economic views, but because they feel that he strikes the right tone and brings the right energy and is of an interesting generation to be in a position of power. And so I actually believe that particularly as, quite frankly, overt homophobia hopefully continues to diminish. I think Pete Buttigieg has a real shot at higher office than where he is now, which is secretary of transportation, doing a really good job there. And I'm glad to see more Democrats actually

talking about issues in this way. It's necessary. We have the moral high ground. There's no reason to lose the rhetoric game. It's just we have to know how to talk about the issues. And some of these guys and gals absolutely do. Hey, you're going to love this. An OAN host brutally attacks me, tags the wrong David Pakman on Instagram, tagging a scam account, misspells my name and is generally totally triggered. Here's the back story of this. Few weeks ago, I did a story about OAN host Alison Steinberg. Alison Steinberg had a conspiracy theory about her nest thermostat. I guess she rents an apartment. She moved into the apartment.

There was a nest thermostat, which, like every nest thermostat, knows when you walk by. She calls it it's tracking her in her home. And she presented all sorts of unproven conspiracy theories. I did a segment on it. OK, so that that was the video that I did. We just showed you a screenshot of it. So Alison Steinberg is furious with me and she now has done a segment on OAN. Imagine that this is Trump's darling OAN attacking me.

You'll notice my name isn't even spelled correctly on the entire thing. Let's get into it. And what's sad is she's so confused about these thermostats. She doesn't understand how they work. Take a look at this. I think you're going to like this as a nest thermostat installed, which I didn't really think much of until I noticed it just started adjusting the temperature when I wasn't home. Now that's a feature you can turn on and off.

OK, I've had Nest thermostats for a year. There's a learning option where you go, hey, pay attention to my activity and whether I'm home, which it knows by whether you walk by in front of the thermostat. And adjust for maximum efficiency, lower the temperature or allow it to go up depending on whether it's winter or summer. This is just a feature. You can turn it on and off. When I realized this device has the ability to actually sense your whereabouts, it immediately

led me to believe that this is yet another system that will soon be required in probably every new home that's built, which I personally find deeply disturbing. Now, it's just home sense. That's what it's called. You can tell it since when I'm home or not. You can turn it off. It's no big deal. And it was then that I made this video expressing my concerns over the technology. But instead of playing you my video, I'm just going to go ahead and show you a video of my video. That's right. David Pakman, a soy infused triggered leftist. So what I had to say about, you know, what's funny is I don't really eat soy. I mean,

every once in a while I have, you know, like Mapo tofu, but I, where is this soy thing coming from? Bart thermostats tracking you was so preposterous. It was preposterous that he made a whole video making fun of me for thinking that globalists were tracking me. Watch. Oh, and please, while you're watching, make note of his extremely and utterly pathetic attempt at an Alex Jones impression. Yeah. OK, so then she plays my entire clip, which we're going to skip over because you already know my clip. I'm not going to play her playing my clip. OK, so and then now we get back to her commentary and you just have to listen to this stuff. David, we get it. You think I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist, tinfoil hat wearing Alex Jones, worshiping weirdo. Yes. Which I actually

take as a massive compliment. Thank you so much. But what if's just saying, I actually am all of those things. I want to tell you, David, that not only was Alex Jones right, but so was Alison Steinberg. When thousands of Excel customers in Colorado tried adjusting their thermostats Tuesday, they learned they couldn't. Denver 7 consumer investigator Jacqueline Allen talked with some of those customers. Jacqueline, they're upset they had no control over the temp in their own home. That's right. And, you know, Excel is calling this a rare energy emergency. Jacqueline, they're upset they had no control over the temp in their own home. That's right.

And, you know, Excel is calling calling this a rare energy emergency. And yes, they took over tens of thousands of smart thermostats here in Colorado. For the first time, there was nothing homeowners could do about it. Well, shucks. Now, Alison Steinberg is so clueless that she doesn't understand that's a voluntary Colorado rewards program. It's it's not mandatory. Do you understand what you're signing up for? OK, in Colorado, they had this program where if you opt in with your smart thermostat, it's your choice. Freedom. OK, if you opt in to let them set your temperature during so-called

energy emergencies, you get one hundred dollar credit and twenty five bucks a year. It's optional. There's no there's no subterfuge. People chose to do that. Are the people too dumb to understand what they're even signing up for? Well, that may be the case, but it's not really a conspiracy. What do you know? Looks like conspiracy theorists win again. Now, what do you have to say for yourself, David? I just said it. This is a program people chose to participate in. I think you owe me an apology, along with about twenty two thousand other people. Oh, my God. Rico tried to crank up the AC. I mean, it was 90 out, and it was right during the peak period. That's when he found out he had no control of his thermostat.

A message from Excel on his thermostat saying temperature locked during an energy emergency. And our thermostat was locked in at 78 or 79. Turns out he's not alone. Excel confirms to contact number seven, 22,000 customers were locked out of their smart thermostats for hours on Tuesday. Because they opted into the program by choice to get 100 bucks and then 25 a year. To me, an emergency means there is, you know, life limb or, you know, some other danger out there. Some limb. Mass massive wildfires. He says he had no idea locked thermostats came with that.

And it's not what he signed up for. It just doesn't sit right with us to not be able to control our own. It quite literally is what he signed up for. Thermostat in your house. You see, David, when I say globalists, I'm not just referring to the top 1% upper echelons of society. I'm also talking about all of their minions who are too dumbed down to figure out what's going on and are complicit in aiding said globalists and carrying out and ushering in their agenda. I guess that's me.

And by agenda, I mean creating a spy state and a social credit system all to keep you safe. Can you imagine? They sell it as convenience. Oh, look how cool this is. You don't have to worry about remembering to turn off your air anymore. Save money on your outrageously high energy bills. Do you think she's figured out that these are just settings on her nest and she can turn all of them off? And let your smart thermostat shut off while you're away. The same people who are creating the problem are selling you the solution. Big tech and private companies are teaming up to put you in a high tech social credit score prison. And it's honestly not even really a conspiracy at

this point. Now that we have dictators like Governor Greaseball telling us when we can and can't use our AC and home appliances. And today so she cuts to Gavin Newsom. The funny thing is, this has nothing to do with just Democratic governors. Texas is you know, Texas has this ERCOT system where they've decided to isolate their electrical grid. And so there's storms in the winter and nobody has power. It's crazy what Texas has done.

Texas's energy grid, patriotic, independent, their energy company, they did the same thing. OK, they did the exact same thing. And we covered it at the time. Texas's largest energy companies say they adjust some customers thermostats due to grid conditions. Consumers say they weren't aware they opted into such a program. It's the same thing with the Republican governor. It's user error. The customers don't know what the hell they're opting into. And she wants to pretend it's global ish. And Gavin Newsom and Democrats, it's just user error and people who don't know what the hell they're doing. And tomorrow afternoon after four p.m., in particular, 4 p.m., please turn your thermostat up to 78 degrees or higher

and avoid to the extent possible using any really large appliances. Now, since we've determined that Alex Jones is more often than not, pretty much always right. Remember, she made fun of me for saying that she's just an Alex Jones wannabe. And now this is the third time in the video she says Alex Jones is right about basically everything. Let's go ahead and take a little trip back to 2004. All right. So then she goes to a report from Alex Jones. Let's now get to the final part of this, which is Allison's advice to me. Well, there you have it, folks. I don't know what more you need to see. They started cultivating this technology decades ago, and the creators are literally telling you exactly what they're doing. But sure, go ahead, David.

Keep drinking your soy and getting your poison shots and believing everything the media tells you. Whatever you do, definitely don't question anything, ever. I'm questioning this. But if you do see this video, I would just like to make a couple of very small requests. One, please stop uploading my content so you can monetize it. I could say the same to you.

I believe you owe me some cash now, along with your apology. And two, for the love of God, stop playing your pre-recorded soundbites impersonating Alex Jones because, quite frankly, they suck and you sound nothing like him. If you're going to make fun of someone, at least do a decent job. OK. Oh, and last thing, your button up sweater vests have got to go. I don't have any button up sweater vests. I don't know what she's talking about.

You're already affiliated with the party who's in support of maps. So I would hate for people to think that you're one of them. Just saying. Mm hmm. So anyway, there is Alison Steinberg. And by the way, maps is like minor attracted persons. It's like a code word for pedophile, which is it's sort of their playbook. Just call anybody you disagree with a pedophile.

So extraordinarily interesting stuff. And one other little funny note in her post, she tags an account called David Pakman Show Fan with no followers that she thinks is me. And she couldn't even tag. I mean, it's crazy. Every detail is crazy. She tagged a spam impersonation account of me when she uploaded this video. Scary stuff.

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because there are such diverse views about this among Republican candidates running. I've been starting with what may be a simple question, and if it is, that's great and we can move on. Who is currently the president of the United States? Joe Speaker 1 OK. And do you believe that his presidency reflects the will of the people as they voted in 2020? I doubt it. I don't know. I don't know. You don't know where you doubt it. I would say with so much controversy around election integrity, which is actually my first, um,

I think mandate when I get in is really to clean up our election processes that there are two, there are too many questions. It's really not for me to, I'm not on the inside of that. So, well, you did retweet a meme that says Trump won. So it seems something made you believe that that that you do know who actually won. Right. So you tweeted a meme that says Trump won. What makes you think Trump won? Well, you know, I live in Northern California and so many people, even Democrats, told me they voted Trump. So the numbers didn't seem to reflect my experience. And so so because some Democrats told you this is my, you know, yeah, in my own interactions with people.

I mean, Trump did get six million votes, so certainly you could have been talking to some of those six million. That's not really evidence of fraud, is it? No, I'm not. I will say I went in and I was an observer in the processing of votes. OK. And there were big problems with that. Like what? And I even called out. I witnessed. A vote being called for Newsome that I could clearly see was not Newsome on the ballot. OK, but in terms of you, you tweeted that Trump won. You tweeted that Trump won. What do you have to believe that we're talking election integrity? Yeah. So I think there are questions with the vote. OK. And we need for for everyone. You know, that's that's the basis of our constitution is the sovereignty of the people. Fair. Absolutely. It should be the first and

foremost, you know, concern on every American heart that that that be assured. I'm with you 100 percent. I'm with you 100 percent. Now, when I see the numbers and I say, you know, there are so many more Democrats in California than Republicans that we know from voter registration. And Joe Biden won California by five million votes. You tweeted that Trump won, but it's because a few Democrats you spoke to said they voted for Trump. That that sounds weak a little bit, doesn't it, Alison? No. Well, you know what? When you have a vote that is perhaps compromised, so are the registrations. Actually, anything electronic,

we need to run through all the voter rolls because there are, you know, we don't really know what's real. So, so you think even the voter registration is about the veracity of what is being touted as a, you know, representative of Republicans or Democrats. But let me just say from the outset, David, that I am not a waving a party banner. I think that Americans are hurting. This is not the election or the time in America to be caring about political party membership. I think that I rejected the Republican Party endorsement. I want to represent Republican values that made this country strong. And those that's what I care about. So I want to clean up the vote and voter rolls because that's that is, you know, the voice of the people is what represents

this country's freedoms. And, you know, we have to get to the bottom of that. We do. But I guess the issue I'm having, Alison, and this is why I'm so interested in talking to you is. If you want to be taken seriously on that, it seems as though some of the things you're repeating on your Twitter don't really make it so that someone would take you seriously. I'll give you another example. Yesterday, you retweeted a meme indicating that twenty five thousand dead people voted in Michigan. That's been looked at that. That's just not true. Why? Why would you retweet that if you're so serious about this?

You know, Twitter for me is as much about raising awareness and about people really rethinking all of these things, because, you know, again, I saw that actually today I just saw that the secretary of state Benson had voted to keep 26,000 dead people on, on the voter roll. So we have problems. Okay. That's the long and short of it. And Twitter I use as education and to bring awareness and to bring discussion, we need to have discourse about it and it ferrets out more information. You know, when you throw things into the public square, I this whole notion of discourse, this is what is lost in America and this is what made us strong. Iron, but, Alison, I'm sorry, I hate to interrupt, but you're going so off track. How many dead people do you believe voted in Michigan? You know, I again, I'm not on the inside.

I could not speak to that question. So how did you why were you clearly know it's time for us to all look at the voter rolls? I don't know if you've seen any of Dr. Douglas Frank's. Inter his actually has been going around the country showing us what he discovered and he's done just on public information and watching and he has the voter rolls for the last 20 years. He's potentially criminally in possession of voting machines and is being investigated by the FBI.

I don't know that that Douglas Frank is the person I would look to on this, but in the interest of the FBI is where I would look to for for confidence either. Oh, are you a supporter of law enforcement? You know, I am definitely. But you know what we have? I think what's been exposed in America is it's underbelly and we have many problems across many institutions. And this is the hour to clean up America, not to shore up anything that has fallen. You know, when you have humans leading institutions, you can expect that there's going to, you know, eventually things get corrupted. And we have seen how many of these institutions that we have counted on, relied on, have problems. And as much as the voter rolls, same with the intelligence agencies, we need to, and law enforcement. I live in Alameda. There are there is by the sheriff's office itself

admitting how corrupt things have become. So, you know, instead of trying to defend something, let's all come together, unite to fix it. The problem is, Alice, this is for the American people. This is not about party politics. It's very wishy washy to insist on coming together to fix things without being able to demonstrate that they need fixing. And I'll give you an example. There is no evidence whatsoever that anyone other than Joe Biden easily won in California. There is no evidence at all that the voter rolls in California are off. There is no evidence that dead people voted in Michigan. There is no evidence that the FBI investigation of Mike Pillow and Frank that you mentioned

is anything other than a completely legal and well-established investigation. It's very easy to just say, let's just come together and we let's just let's just fix it. But when you're wanting to fix things without being able to provide proof that they're broken, it doesn't feel like it's a good faith position. When people are in control of what is said to be true or not, and they themselves are the corrupt ones. We don't know. So your claims coming from them, from from people in positions who themselves may be the ones that are not making claims. Well, you're saying I'm saying you're you're making the claim. You're making the claim and showing no evidence about. I'm sorry. You're making the claim. You're making the claim and showing no evidence about. I'm sorry. You're making the claims extraordinary claims and providing no evidence. America is shouting

for truth in voting. OK, the confidence of the American voter is completely eroded. And we need to fix it. We need to shore up everyone's confidence. And that's Democrats, Republicans, every political stripe. Americans are Americans. And we stand here and our borders are impacted because the world wants to come here and live and to have the freedoms that we possess. And it is our duty as Americans to make sure those freedoms are are stand strong. And we we need to do that and not try to defend something. We need to win. If there's no problem, what's the problem? That's that's my question to you. Listen, let me let me ask you something else, Alison, because I know, you know, we want to focus on evidence. You tweeted that

Antifa rioters were actually the ones breaking into the Capitol on January 6th and that MAGA patriots were trying to pull them away from going into the building. You don't honestly believe that now, do you? I'm not sure I tweeted that. You did. You tweeted you tweeted January 8th, 2021. We can provide the citation here. There were provocative. Well, I mean, please send me that tweet. I would love to see it. Sure.

I mean, I tweet a lot of things, but I mean, the things you tweet were provoked. There were provocative tours there and they were in the crowd and they were, you know, Ray Epps was Oath Keepers. He's known to be an FBI associated person. There is absolutely no evidence that Ray Epps is an FBI associated person. The night before. And that has been completely debunked, Alison. It's been completely debunked.

Alison, do you mean the things you tweet? As I said, I use tweets also to it to get people to talk about subjects which are not settled. We need to clean up America. Alison, do you believe that the 700 going on, David, would you not want it sorted out? I would not want those. I would brought to justice. Is there any evidence whatsoever that you have that the 700 Trump is defendants from the Capitol riots were not genuinely Trump ists? Any

evidence? Well, do you have any evidence they weren't? Yes, their social media records, their social media histories, the things that law enforcement found in their homes, their communications, their communications, their overt statements about their political views. We have we have all of that. Do you have anything to suggest that none of the people went to Washington on January 6th because they questioned the vote? That's telling you that there are many Americans who are not comfortable with the way it went

down. But my question was, do you have any evidence that they're not really Trumpists? Alison, hold on. Hold on a second. You're answering different questions. Do I told you why I believe they are Trumpists? Went there. No, they dragged out things. You can put a different frame on any evidence. Not a frame. Not a frame. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Anybody can. You can you can paint a picture that is completely divorced from reality by by cherry picking evidence. So is it cherry picking to say that the rioters had exclusively pro-Trump social media history? Look, a grandmother is there in jail. People that just cared and they showed up and they dragged those people before. So this is not OK. This

is not America. Those people have a right to a First Amendment to to confront their government when they have a question. But wait a second, Alison. Hold on a second. Wait a second. Alison, Alison, hold on a second. Alison, no. You first said they hold on a second. Alison, wait a second. Wait a second. Nobody's going to be able to hear you unless we can each take a turn. You first said you don't believe they were really MAGA Trump people. And now you're saying, hold on, let me finish the question in my mouth. Please don't feed things into my mouth. Everyone out there had I don't I can't characterize. I don't know them. I have never

met those 700 people. I can't tell you what they were or were not, but they were out there, made the trip because they were concerned about the vote. So you agree that they were Trumpists? That doesn't make you a Trumpist. that makes you an American concerned about the sovereignty of your vote. Almost no Democrats were concerned about the election. I'm sorry. That makes you an American. Well, Alison, you know, you sound just completely disconnected from reality, right?

Like completely. Your reality, certainly your reality, the empirical one for which we have evidence. No, there's nothing more empirical to yours than mine. Really? You have no right to to all of a sudden stand on a high horse. There's no horse here. No zebra, no nothing. You know, Alison, when you ask me what makes me believe something, the difference, Alison,

is when you ask me, when you ask me what makes. Well, but that's just. Now, hold on a second. But Alison, wait a second. Let's see if I can get a word in edgewise. Alison, when you ask me why I hold a certain belief, I give you the evidentiary reasons why. When I ask you why you hold a belief, you tell me, well, we don't know. Or you answer a different question. You you never provide any evidence. Do you see the difference between my beliefs and yours? You're claiming evidence. The evidence is the people that showed up. OK, that's evidence. The Trump is right. That showed up and rioted because they were mad. You know what? People showed up at the Capitol, right, because the president said,

if you have questions, you come out to be an American. This was not to raid the Capitol, which they did, but they did that. You know what? There were infiltrators there, so the rioters were not the Trumpists who were concerned about the vote. Is that right? I am not a person that was is able to make any determination about the people. All I know is that there were infiltrators there that were whipping people up and and trying to get things going. Wow. So, Alison, you're scaring me. I'm scared for the future of our nation. Really? Genuinely. And we should be. That's what that's what this is all about. Yeah. No, I mean, if folks were to vote for

you, I would be very scared. We should have fear about this. This is why we need to get to the bottom of it. Yeah, this is exactly the reason is to save America. This is why we need to get to the bottom of it. Yeah, this is exactly the reason is to save America. This is not Trump or anything else. All right. Well, you've heard it here from Allison Hayden. It's not about Trump. It's about America. Your choices in the 14th district and the right. Your choices in the 14th district are Alison Hayden and Eric Swalwell. That election will be just weeks away. Alison, we're going to be watching that race very closely. Thank you.

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ideas that are really common to parts of the world that we often don't aspire to be like by we I mean these very Republicans don't and also that are playing coy with the ideas and policies of extreme dictators and authoritarians. And the latest idea is that Donald Trump has been on a kick about executing drug dealers, putting drug dealers to death. Trump has now started fundraising off of this idea. He talks about it regularly at his rallies. So let's start there. Here's just one example. Trump has seized on this because I guess some in the crowd seem to kind of like it. They kill 500 people during a lifetime. And I think it's much worse than that. I think that's only what we hear about. It would stop if you didn't get it down 75, 80, 90 percent from day one.

I'd be surprised. And these committees that they set up, it's laughable. It's a horrible thing. We would solve that problem so fast. And I'm calling on Republicans and Democrats immediately to institute, to get to Washington and institute the death penalty for drug dealers. You will no longer have a problem. There it is. Kill the drug dealers. And as you all probably know by now from years of following this guy, when he seizes on something, he really seizes on it. And of course, the ideal thing would be, can I make some money off of it? And indeed, Donald Trump is now sending out fundraising emails about this.

Donald J. Trump dot com sent out an email called the death penalty. And when you look inside the email, it's another one of these fake polls. And what I mean by that is it looks like a poll. They want you to take a survey, but it's actually a fundraising pitch. Do you agree that drug dealers should face the death penalty? Yes or no. Thank you, Team Trump. Take the survey now. You know, capital punishment for drug trafficking is something that some countries do have. Now, it's rarely because you got caught selling some pot on the street, but there are countries that have extremely severe punishments for drug dealing

and drug trafficking. But I'm going to tell you what some of those countries are, and they are typically countries that Republicans say are backwards. This is what they say. Republicans say these are backwards countries that the US should not be trying to be like. These are the countries that have the death penalty capital punishment for drug trafficking. They include Bahrain and Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran and Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, North Korea, Qatar, Pakistan, Syria. You get the idea. These are not exactly countries that Republicans say should be the guiding light for how the United States should operate. And the sort of I don't know that I want to call it funny. The sad thing, to some degree, is that many of the ideas that Republicans like are only seen in these authoritarian type countries, often Muslim authoritarian countries. You know, when right wingers sort of are titillated by this

idea of Christian nationalism, a Christian version of Sharia law and a total melding of their religion and civil government. The countries that are like that tend to be countries Republicans don't like. I mean, it's Saudi Arabia. It's Iran. You get the picture. And so when you say to Republicans, the models for what you're talking about are these countries. They have. Well, no, no, no, no.

Those countries are no good. But here it would be good if we did it. But it's because this is this would be with Christianity that we would do it. They're doing it with Islam. Shockingly, more and more Republican ideas sound like the ideas of these authoritarian dictatorial countries. And now Donald Trump has seized on. Let's kill drug dealers. And by the way, this idea of every drug dealer kills 500 people. It's absurd. It's truly absurd. Nobody has been able to actually find any evidence backing that up. And now Donald Trump is trying to fundraise off of it.

Let's take a look at a so-called lawyer. Apparently trying to defend and represent her client. I'm going to play some videos for you of Donald Trump lawyer Alina Haba. Alina Haba doesn't know what's going on, apparently, because she's going back to this old idea that the FBI might have planted evidence at Mar-a-Lago. Now, I know you must be saying, David, we're like weeks into this thing. We got beyond that. Trump said, yes, he had the documents, but he declassified them telepathically potentially. Why are they going back to the evidence might have been planted? It's because it's just a circle of nonsense. There were no documents. They were there, but planted by the FBI. They were there because Trump declassified them and wanted them for his library slash memoirs slash to read.

But they weren't actually there because the FBI planted it. It's just a circle. It just it's like a Mobius strip of absurdity. Here is Alina Haba. Take a listen to this. Well, do you have evidence that the FBI might have planted planted something, anything at Mar-a-Lago seven weeks ago? You know what we know? And I'm not going to speak into details because because you don't have any evidence, even the initial.

Do you have evidence? You know what we know. And I'm not going to speak about details. The answer is you have no evidence that anything was planted. It would obviously be confidential and go to the defense of the case. The attorney's handling it, which I am not. But as I have said on the show before, I think the concern is that we have recordings of these agents going in and then we were not permitted to watch the agents. We see agents go in, we see agents come out, and we just don't know what of what they took out was actually brought in by them. But do you have any evidence without no evidence? But we just we saw them go in and we saw them come out.

Marilago go into his office space, for instance, or his home, his bedroom or Melania's closet. And that is incredibly concerning. Another thing is they came in with equipment, with bags. So you never know. Unfortunately, the. They brought bags. That word politically has led us to believe that we can't really be sure that they're following the rule of law at any point. And that's the most concerning thing, I think, for all Americans right now. And understand the wishy washy language. We don't know what they did in there. We don't know whether they're following the rule of law. Do you? It's the same thing with the voter fraud stuff. Do you have specific evidence to suggest a belief X rather than we've not been able to rule X out? But but do you have any evidence of X? What leads you to believe that

Trump might have actually won Georgia? Well, listen, we just don't know who won. There's irregularities and we don't know who won. And it's always good. Do you have a reason to believe that Trump specifically got more votes than Biden in Georgia? We don't know what we're calling for is a full investigate. Well, but we've an investigation has been done. It's the exact same thing here. Do you have evidence? We don't know what went on. The FBI brought equipment and they weren't on camera during the search in Trump's office. Ah, OK. Asked what Donald Trump is doing now, I guess. She says Trump's handling the investigation by playing golf. But at some point, Elena, this has got to take a toll on just somebody's psyche. All these lawsuits,

all these jurisdictions. How's he doing? I hate to burst everybody's bubble, but you know, they and then when I say everybody, I mean the DNC, the left wing attackers. But I can tell you, I was with him a couple of days ago. He is his usual self. He is in great spirits. He is, you know, out there working. He is on the golf course. He is doing what he would normally do.

The framing is like he's a victim. Is he still in good spirits despite this horrible thing that's being done to him? Folks, this is a guy being investigated as a possible criminal. And quite honestly, really optimistic for the midterm elections and optimistic for the country's future post Biden regime. Right. And I think that's what makes a leader. You can't get down when the country is failing and you're under siege. So anyway, you might be wondering, why would a lawyer do this? This lawyer, Alina Haba,

who's been increasingly present in media, why would why would just a lawyer take this as a job? You have to understand she's primarily like a political actor. And if you look at her Instagram, you actually see she calls herself a patriot and a litigator with the American flags. Her pictures are with Trump, her going to Mar-a-Lago and posting propaganda about Trump, posting pictures with Trump, posting a picture at one point with I'm not even going to show it, but like with her kid, her kids wearing a Trump hat. This is primarily an individual acting as a political actor, not as a lawyer. And she actually said, I'm not one of the people representing Trump in the legal proceedings

here. She's representing Trump on television. And it's absolutely and completely pathetic. I got a voicemail from an astrologist. Now, I don't believe in any of this stuff, but here is an astrologist explaining how Donald Trump still has 35 percent approval. Take a listen to this. Oh, David, I'm an astrologer.

I've been on a TV show similar to astrologer, not an astrologist. Sorry. A dragon's den. Donald Trump's astrology chart years ago, I'm pretty accurate. Anyways, in your video, Trump approval plunges to lowest in a year. You were scared that still 30-some percent

approve of him. Yeah. Guess what? There's, in astrology, there's 30 degrees in each sign, and 10 degrees of them are always in what's called cusp, half of one sign, half of another. And 30% of the calendar is in cusp. 30% of Trump supporters are, Trump three transport they're all cuffs I guarantee you they're all born around the 20 21st to three days in between the 21st of the month that's how you that's how 33% of the people still believe in Trump

because astrology sure astrology charts they're fooled by it. They're half of one side, half of another. And they're confused. They're built in conflict. That's how it works. Yeah. I don't believe in any of that. Astrology is just not scientific. Even put aside the concept of people's personalities and lives being influenced by the position of planets when they

were born. Most of the astrology charts aren't even actually accurate for the time that we were born. So like at its face, it doesn't make any sense. But I always love hearing an interesting voicemail. And so I appreciate it nonetheless, even though I don't believe in any of it. We have a great bonus show for you today. We are going to talk about Hurricane Ian. We are going to talk about Edward Snowden getting Russian citizenship from Vladimir Putin. And we will talk about the latest in the Matt Gaetz investigation charges likely not forthcoming, not forthcoming. Oh, the bonus show where you want to make money. Everybody else that makes money to fund themselves is bad. All of those stories on two days bonus show. Sign up at join pacman dot com to get instant access.