The David Pakman Show - Republicans losing their grip as Trump loses his

Episode Date: August 10, 2026

-- On the Show: -- Donald Trump considers declaring victory if Tehran reopens the Strait of Hormuz without securing an official nuclear agreement -- Donald Trump exhibits physically strains while golfing as recent economic reports show the United States losing 23,000 jobs in July -- Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez refuses to rule out a presidential campaign while publicly sharing she's freezing her eggs -- Prominent Republicans endorse Democratic Senator Jon Ossoff over Trump candidate Mike Collins in the Georgia Senate race -- Pragmatic Democratic candidates lead key Senate races across conservative states by focusing on economic affordability -- Donald Trump publicly Joe Biden regarding his Stage 4 cancer diagnosis while Hunter Biden details his father's severe pain -- Donald Trump oversees a sharp decline in monthly job creation that drops to roughly one-tenth of Joe Biden's historical average -- David reveals that being on the White House "Media Offenders" list has caused potential hosts to fear interviewing him -- On the Bonus Show: Bill Cassidy explains his vote for Todd Blanche, the right's $20 burrito debate, and much more... 💪 Get a free AG1 Travel Case + 7 free Travel Packs at https://drinkag1.com/pakman 👂 MDHearing: Use code PAKMAN to get a pair for just $247 at https://shopmdhearing.com/ 🧠 Try Brain.fm totally free for a month at https://brain.fm/pakman 🥐 Wildgrain: Use code PAKMAN for $30 off & free croissants FOR LIFE at https://wildgrain.com/pakman 🛌 Helix Sleep mattresses: Get up to 27% OFF at https://helixsleep.com/pakman -- Become a Member: https://davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe to our (FREE) Substack newsletter: https://davidpakman.substack.com -- Get David's Book: https://bit.ly/m/attention -- TDPS Subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow -- David on Bluesky: https://davidpakman.com/bluesky -- David on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow (00:00) Trump searches for an easy out in Iran (08:38) Trump struggles to walk on the golf course (19:37) AOC refuses to rule out running in 2028 (30:38) Republicans endorse Jon Ossoff in Georgia (41:11) Dem Senate candidates are leading in red states (48:48) Trump mocks Joe Biden despite his cancer diagnosis (57:47) US loses 23,000 jobs in July under Trump (1:05:10) Hosts refuse to interview David over White House list Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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saying to Iran, open the strait of Hormuz, and getting the hell out, even without having having accomplished a single objective. This is effectively a total surrender. The groundwork that Trump is laying is coming from the reality that he probably can't win this war by any real definition. He's going to walk away seemingly with no nuclear deal. So in plain English, the message is listen. Reopen the straight. Let the oil start moving again. I will just say we won. and we're going to get the hell out of there. And of course, if we think about society and humanity, avoiding more war is good. I have opposed the blockade.

I've opposed the threats of escalation. I've been against this war. The possibility of a ground war has been terrifying. It's great, right? Like, less war. That's awesome. But ending a war responsibly and pretending you won, but actually. just surrendering are two completely different things. Trump went into this thing, never defining victory.

It was, well, we're going to stop their nuclear weapons program. I thought you did. Well, we did. What about the uranium? I don't know. They can keep it. We're going to destroy their ballistic missiles capabilities. Yeah, well, that didn't happen. We're going to do regime change. Well, it did and it didn't happen, right? I mean, like literally, the leader is different because you killed the previous one, but it's the same family. It's the same regime. We're going to bring Iran back and get a deal done. Well, what kind of a deal? Obama had a deal. You got out of the deal because you said it was no good. So whenever a goal became unattainable, the goals were just shift. And Trump's administration now says the strikes have destroyed the three main nuclear sites. Is that true?

We don't really know. And they are saying Tehran is not going to be able to restart their program without us knowing. And that's good enough. But what happened to the agreement? What about Iran will never get a nuclear weapon? And they're at the table and there's 60 days to negotiate. He's going to walk away is what the Wall Street Journal report says. A real diplomatic victory would have some terms, a timeline, the ability to verify consequences, if anything, is violated from the deal. Trump is reportedly getting set to just tuck his tail between his legs, go home and go,

yeah, but I won, didn't I? And everybody's going to go, one, what? What are you talking about? Iran would reopen the Strait of Hormuz. That's, by the way, the central piece of leverage that it gained during the war. Iran didn't even have that leverage before this war started. And Trump would go mission accomplished. Oil traffic is happening again.

It's flowing. I'm just going to go home. Even if that outcome remains uncertain, Iran is also reportedly demanding sanctions relief the return of frozen assets, American military withdrawal, and then to the naval blockade, compensation for war damage. And Iran says there's no negotiations happening right now. Think about that. Trump started with their, they're going to cry uncle, unconditional surrender. That's how it will end. There were going to be negotiations. The negotiations failed. Trump insists they are negotiating while Iran goes, we're not negotiating.

What is what is he talking about? And Iran has been able to avoid surrendering and they are negotiating. And I don't mean, it's not a literal negotiation, but they're negotiating in the sort of public domain in a way where everyone knows they can wreak havoc on Trump's presidency with what they can do in the straight of Hormuz. So this is going to be an embarrassment. And I want to hear from every single one of these magas who goes, Trump is so strong. If Trump just turns around and goes, I won.

Imagine if you're in a chess game and you're losing and the other player has a better position. And you go, I won and you shake hands. You've surrendered the game. You've lost. When you stop playing and say, I've actually won, other people can evaluate that and see if that is true. Now, then we get to the bigger issue. And this is now the 30,000 foot level. Trump told us he was the guy who would end the forever wars.

He would never start forever wars. He's not so stupid as George W. Bush and Killery and Biden and Kamala Harris, all of whom did or were going to start stupid wars. And now Trump started a war and he can't get out of it seemingly without losing. And the proposed escape route is forget about the nuclear issue, give Iran concessions for reopening the waterway that was. open to begin with before he started this thing, declare victory and just hope everybody moves on. If that ends the killing, take it, right? I mean, like, I am an anti-war person at my nature,

but we got to call it what it is, which is Trump started this optional war, achieved nothing, damaged the American economy, damaged his reputation, damaged so much. And now he's realizing he has no way out and he may just exit. Now, there's a lot of real. reasons to be feeling a sense of urgency to do this. It seems as though Republicans are going to be destroyed in November, the economy being as it is with inflation, jobs, but, but, but all the things we've talked about today in the last couple of days. That is not going to set up Republicans for any kind of victory.

And so there is an urgency because Trump knows Republicans lose. I get investigated for two years. This destroys whatever legacy I have, which isn't much. increasingly is in this urgent situation. And we shouldn't feel bad for him. But here's the really important part. We have to punish the Republicans for it. I know I've said this before, but I have to remind people of it. There are people in my audience, moderate Republicans, they write to me. They go, David, sir. Usually they're a little nastier than that, but they might say David, sir. I don't like Trump, but I live in Kentucky. Well, Kentucky's not a lot.

a great example. I live in Florida. I live in South Carolina, whatever. My member of Congress is cool. I like him or her. My senator, I like my. You by voting to reelect that member of the House or member of the Senate are voting to reelect someone who has rubber stamped just about everything Donald Trump has done. And so we've got to forget about this whole false notion of, yes, Trump's a lunatic. He's not a good president, but I'm a moderate Republican. And I like, you know, whoever, or whoever's up for real, like, it doesn't even matter. They are part of rubber stamping everything. If from the beginning, Republicans had made it clear, we're not going to let you get away with this stuff. You can threaten some of us, but if we all stop you, you can't threaten all of us. You're not going to

get all of us kicked out of office. If they had had the audacity to do that or just the self-respect, quite frankly, we wouldn't be in this position to begin with. But, That is the reality. So if you are going to try to comfort yourself by saying, oh, you know, I wish Trump was different, but I'm going to vote to reelect every single one of the Republicans representing me. They are the reason Trump gets away with what he gets away with because they do nothing to try to get in his way. And you by reelecting them are rubber stamping that. Don't do that.

To my moderate Republican friends in the audience, don't do that because it's pathetic. And we don't want to see that happen again. Incredibly disturbing images of Donald Trump have surfaced from this weekend. I am going to argue that as disgusting and dilapidated as these images are, and they're very disgusting. I'm just, I'm warning you. If you're eating right now, this is not going to be the segment for you. These images are nothing compared to what they represent about Trump's presidency.

So let's take a look. It is true. Donald Trump was photographed at one of his many golf clubs playing golf this weekend. And people noticed from the images. that Donald Trump appears to be having serious difficulty getting around. His posture is awkward. His gait is labored. He seems barely able to comfortably move from the golf cart when he is trying to get to the

ball or even going back and talking to people. Now, of course, we can speculate and we've been having to speculate for years, but we don't really need to. Is something wrong with Trump's legs? Is it Trump's weight? Is it something else? We can't diagnose Trump from photographs and the White House is never honest or forthcoming about what's going on with Donald Trump's health. Fine. I am going to argue here

that the physical spectacle of it all is really the smaller story. We've seen we know Trump's age. He was born in 1946. He's 80 years old. He has this strange gait. His hands are bruised. His ankles are swollen like tree trunks. He's increasingly confused at every single public appearance. He is deserving of scrutiny. And Republicans treat. every stumble and every verbal mistake from Joe Biden as a national emergency. So they established a standard and they want everybody else to look away from Trump. We've dealt with all of that. The more consequential image is Trump spending another weekend golfing while we have red alert warning

signs in this economy. The US lost 23,000 jobs in July and economists expected to gain eight. So you expect plus 80. You get minus 23. That's 103,000 jobs short of what economists expected. May and June, quietly revised down by another roughly 100,000 jobs. So we are hemorrhaging jobs. A lot of people left the labor force, which made the unemployment rate ticked down very

slightly despite the loss of jobs. But the point is hiring has stalled. said we're going to be hiring like never before. Hiring is completely stalled. Previous reports were worse than reported, which remember when Biden was president, if there was a slight downward revision the month after, Republicans would go, they were deliberately lying about jobs numbers and later revised. Well, that's what's happening right now. And meanwhile, the affordability crisis that Trump was going to solve is getting worse because prices keep going up. Consumer prices up 3.5 percent from a year earlier. Food up 3 percent. Energy up almost.

16%. Trump said energy would be down 50%. So this is a major problem. These are real numbers. They affect people's budgets. It is the shopper who goes to the grocery store and spends 110 bucks and goes, I didn't get anything or a family that says, I had to carry a credit card balance from last month, couldn't pay it off entirely, paid interest on that. This month, I've got the interest on last month. Plus, I also can't pay off the credit card this month. So now I'm paying interest on multiple months. And I've got to stay in a job I hate because there might not be another good job available or I'll lose health care if I leave. And Trump is golfing. Trump is golfing. Trump will go, well, the stock market's doing well. A rising market,

I prefer it to a falling one. I own stocks. That's true. I'd rather that. There are millions of people with retirement accounts tied to the stock market. So that's good nominally. But the wealthiest one percent own more than half of all the stocks. One percent owns half the stocks in the United States. So when you see market records for most people, that doesn't make it any easier to buy groceries. And Trump said he would be the affordability president for everyone. It doesn't help people afford their day to day. Now, David, are you saying presidents can't ever take a day off? No, presidents can take time off. Also, being president is not a job you take because you want vacation. Presidents don't control every economic variable. That's true. One week jobs report doesn't prove that the president is doing everything wrong,

but I'm just asking for us to hold Trump. Let me take that back. I'm asking elected officials to be held to the promises they made. No one made Trump promise prices were going to come down dramatically. And prices have gone up. And I can't believe I'm still talking about this. What does it mean that I still have to explain that when inflation goes from four to three and a half, the rate at which prices are increases has gone down. But prices are still increasing. And the promise was prices would straight up decline. So we just need to be doing the level of scrutiny that is appropriate to evaluate whether the president is keeping the promises that he made. So when you see Trump playing golf again, yes, it's shocking how unhealthy he looks. It's shocking how he can barely

walk his swollen ankles and all of that is true and we can analyze that but he's playing golf again and he said i'm not going to play a lot of golf because i'm going to be so busy dealing with all these problems and he is just playing golf and not dealing with any problems now if trump had i don't really care about golf per se you know Biden was not a golfer Obama did play some golf George w bush played some golf trump played a ton of golf in his first term I don't have a problem with the golf per se. I have a problem with jobs are disappearing, bills are rising, families are stretched, you promised you would fix it. And the president is standing next to a golf cart surrounded by wealthy people who never have to worry about what groceries cost,

never have to worry about what health care is going to cost, telling him, sir, it's all going so great because my portfolio looks really good once again. No, come on, guys, come on. I would really respect a maga, middle class maga, who fell for this crap. If they wrote it and that David, I consider myself a right winger. I like the idea of what Trump's doing on immigration. I even like the Iran war. Who the hell knows? Although I don't think many people like the Iran war. But objectively, Trump has not made any of those promises that he made economically a reality. And I don't even really think he's trying. He doesn't really care about middle class people.

I would respect such a MAGA if they reached out to me and they said that. Now, the right is going full speed ahead, trying to suppress dissenting voices on social media and on digital platforms because they know that the numbers are no good. They see what's happening. And I just hit my microphone and I apologize for that, especially if you're wearing headphones. I'm getting agitated. They see that the promises aren't happening. It's not working rather than try to argue that it is because they can't. They're trying to suppress those of us who are simply saying, evaluate for yourselves.

This is a key difference between the MAGA people and us. I simply say to you, fact check everything I'm saying. Don't take my word that prices are up. Look up the inflation rate. You don't have to believe me. That's the key difference. Trump goes, don't believe what you're seeing and hearing. I will tell you what the truth is.

If you're confident that you're communicating the truth to people, you encourage people to go and fact check you. Everything I said here, the jobs numbers, the unemployment rate, what's going on with, you know, there's half a million manufacturing jobs just available. Nobody wants them. Fact check me. You'll see that I'm telling you the truth. It's up to you to figure out what to do with that truth.

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We're going to get to that in a moment. She did not announce a campaign, but when she was asked directly about it, she very deliberately refused to rule out that, yes, indeed, she might run for president in 2028. We're going to get back to that. But this was a very interesting conversation with Jonathan Carl about generational power in the United States. And this is a major topic as we think about what are future generations or even younger generations today thinking about their relationship to power and how they vote.

Let's take a look at a couple of other clips. And here is AOC explaining millennials, a generation of which I am apart. And she says, you know, the millennials are no longer punk kids. We have financial responsibilities. Some of us have children, which, by the way, she talks about in a moment. Let's take a listen to what she had to say. That we have a responsibility to attend to and be responsive to. And even right now, when we look at this insurgent way,

of what is happening. Oftentimes when people are doing that Monday morning quarterbacking and what demographics voted where, the big one that's being ignored is the generational tidal wave. It's not. You see it in the polling. It is significant.

Millennials are not, you know, punk kids anymore. Yeah. We're grown adults with mortgages and kids. And we, That generation is starting to be decisive at the polls. And there is anger at being ignored, sidelined, having our economic futures mortgaged by the generations that came before us on everything from the economy to climate. And we're taking the reins. So I like this.

AOC says millennials are no longer the punk kids, but a lot of institutions still see millennials in that. way. To some degree, maybe it's because a lot of millennials are waiting longer than other generations to have kids for financial reasons. Maybe it's because a lot of millennials are not buying houses at the same rate as previous generations because they can't afford to. But she still makes the point. There are still many millennials with careers, children, and mortgages, but also with voting power. And they lived through, we lived through the Great Recession, student debt, a brutal housing market, the pandemic, another huge surge in the cost of living. Now, simply saying it's the fault of older Americans that millennials have struggled, I think oversimplifies it. The real problem is an

institutional problem. Washington has spent decades protecting those who have already accumulated wealth much more effectively than helping younger people build wealth. And you can see this in policy of all types. A generation that feels economically abandoned is now becoming decisive at the pulse. And this is the issue with ignoring a group of people from a policy standpoint as they gain electoral power. Politicians can say, well, we're going to respond to that anger and we're going to deal with what it is millennials need and want. Or at some point, they're going to get screwed because millennials are going to say, you don't have my best interests in mind. Very interesting. AOC then makes the conversation personal and talks about how she is starting the process of freezing eggs,

not ready or wanting to have kids now, but that this is something she is planning for. Take a look. Juncture. All right. And then before you go, you did have a personal announcement that you made. It was interesting to see you kind of open up in, you know, on Instagram Live, I blame it was. So tell me, tell me what it was and why you said. Yeah, you know, I think it's important for us to normalize these conversations, especially in the same.

political environment, the Trump administration has... Remind us what the announcement was. Yeah, sure. So I have decided to start the process of freezing my eggs. And in this political environment where this administration is denying reproductive care to women across the country, from abortion rights to the ability to carry out a healthy pregnancy, I think it's important for us as leaders to have these conversations and share these processes.

especially for working women across the country and normalize them. Okay, all right. Congresswoman Cassio Cortez, thank you very much for being here. I'll just hope to talk to you again soon. Thank you. And when you're ready to make that decision about 2020, I'll let you know. I'll let you know.

I am sure that hearing AOC talk about freezing eggs will provoke a completely normal and rational, very well-adjusted response from the right wing. by which I mean, there are people about to get very preoccupied with the reproductive decisions of a woman that they have never met. That is what is going to happen here. I think AOC makes a serious point. Freezing eggs is often talked about privately and it can be expensive, physically demanding as well, and it's straight up not accessible to so many women. Talking openly about it removes the stigma, which I think is great. But if we're going to have genuine reproductive freedom, you need to do more

than just normalize it. You have to have access. If you say we want to destigmatize reproductive freedom, but people don't have access to contraception, abortion, fertility treatment, maternal care, paid leave, affordable child care, what does it really mean that you have the freedom to make your own reproductive choices? Now, Republicans love to say we support families, but they restrict policies that, or rather, they use policy to restrict access to reproductive care or make it more expensive to raise kids, have kids, et cetera. That's a contradiction that you can't hide when someone explains, here are what the choices look like for me. And that's what AOC has done. I think it's great. She's going to get

hit very hard on this. I know she knows that. I'm sure she doesn't care. Then the question of 2028, Jonathan Carl says, are you going to run for president? Here's her answer and it's not a no. So I want to, we're almost out of time to get to your future. I'm sure you saw the poll in New Hampshire that had you as the leading candidate, leading choice for Democrats. First of, are you going to run for president? I mean, I'm focused on winning the midterms. I'm running for Congress right now. But I mean, do you see the This is something, I know you said you're open to it. Is it a realistic possibility for you?

I haven't, well, I haven't ruled out the possibility, and I'm very humbled to the tremendous amount of support out there. I think that we have a responsibility to remain focused on the midterms and not on our individual aspirations or plans. And running for Senate. Again, not a presidential announcement, but politicians who want to end speculation, simply say, I'm not running. Wes Moore said that about 2028. I don't even know that I believe Westmore. I think if Westmore gets a sense that he might be able to win a primary, he would run.

Marco Rubio told J.D. Vance, I'm not going to challenge you. If you run, I won't run. A lot of Republican strategists, including Rick Wilson, said to me last week, if Marco comes to believe that he might win, he'll just come up with a speech explaining why he's running anyway. So she is not saying no. And even when you say no, sometimes you mean yes. I think that this is the politically intelligent answer. And there are a lot of people who used to like AOC who have soured on her saying she's become, she sold out essentially. She's no longer as progressive.

And I see her as far more sophisticated and savvy at this point. She knows that saying, I'm actively thinking about running in 2028, that will generate years of scrutiny. It will turn every appearance she does into a potential campaign event and just leaving the door open in this way just lets her have options. And she would have, listen, there's a lot of people thinking about running who would have real obstacles. Gavin Newsom, who I was recently with, he is considered too centrist by many who would consider voting for Democrats. I don't want to say by Democrats because I think a lot of the people aren't necessarily Democrats. They're,

independents who are on the left. Newsom is disliked by a lot of those people further to his left. an obstacle for him. I think AOC would have obstacles as well, including resistance from Democratic donors and from the more center-left wing of the Democratic Party. But AOC has something most members of Congress don't have, which is national recognition. She's got a big fundraising network. And she has a disproportionate level of support from young voters, which is very important right now. It's a careful answer from AOC, but I think the meaning is very clear, which is I am going to evaluate what my chances look like. And based on that, I will decide what to do, which is actually the answer from a lot of people. A lot of the governors I've spoken to have said or implied,

I'm thinking about it, but it's going to be a calculation of whether I believe that I have a viable shot. I actually like that calculus more than those who say every objective measure tells me I have no shot, but I might do it anyway just to try to get some recognition and interfere in some sense with the primary. I don't love that. I like the analysis of where is my platform? And maybe if your platform isn't big enough, you just wait. And that's what maybe some of the other folks I haven't mentioned today are thinking

about doing. So it's super interesting from AOC. I want to hear from my audience. Are you leaning any particular way? I know there's people in my audience who really like Pete Buttigieg and others who go, he's basically a consultant. That's the consultant class. don't like him. There's people in my audience who like J.B. Pritzker or Josh Shapiro and others who say,

I don't believe that in this environment, a Jewish candidate can win the primary, never mind win the election. There's others I hear from who say, I don't find Newsom to be progressive enough, but I think he's the most aggressive and the tone is what we need. And then I have people in my audience who also say, the only person even in the ballpark is AOC. It's AOC and Mom Dani, but Mom Dany can't run because he wasn't born in the United States. United States. So it's AOC. Where are you? I want to hear from you. Send me an email info at David Pakman.com. Leave a comment on this video. Donald Trump has become so toxic that we're starting to see Republicans in Georgia say, hey, we're going to endorse the Democrat rather than the

Republican in one of the most important Senate races that there is. This is how you know you're failing. This is how you know that even your own party is running away. from you. So let me tell you what's going on. In just a three-day period, former Republican Senator Jeff Flake, Tifton Mayor Julie Smith, and Valdosta Mayor Scott James Matheson endorsed the Democratic senator in Georgia, John Ossoff, over the Trump-backed Republican Mike Collins. Think about that. Now, these Republicans have not suddenly become liberals. You know, whenever a Republican endorses a Democrat, you'll see antagonists go, this proves that that Democrat is secretly a right winger. That's why they're supporting him. That is absurd. An endorsement doesn't

mean two people agree on every policy. It means that given our choices, we have two options. One candidate has earned some support across party lines or one candidate is just so nuts that even the people in their own party are running away from them. Now, Flake specifically said, when you look at John Ossoff, you see not a guy who I agree with on every policy, I see a man of character, a man who does constituent work, and a man who respects the institution of the Senate. And Flake also criticized Collins, the MAGA endorsed Republican for refusing to even say, listen, Joe Biden won in 2020. I wish that he hadn't, but Joe Biden won in 2020.

Smith said, as a Republican, Smith said, Ossoff, the Democratic. has delivered for South Georgia. Matheson said, I'm going to take heat for crossing party lines, but I have built a relationship with this senator. And this senator has done well for my constituents in Georgia. This is not evidence that John Ossoff is a Republican. It's evidence that at a certain point, when MAGA nominates and has these whacked out lunatics, if you have a Democrat that you agree with on a lot of policy, but they're competent. They have character. They respect democracy at the end of the day.

It can matter more than party loyalty. And it also shows just how repellent Donald Trump's version of the Republican Party has become to some Republicans. Now, Collins is facing a lot of questions that go directly to character. Questions about connections between his campaign and anti-Semitic and white nationalist figures. Really just ugly, nasty stuff. His campaign says, no, no, no, it's all made up. But when the choice is, Asov, the incumbent, and this MAGA candidate who won't even say, yes, Trump really lost in 2020, there are Republicans who are saying this is just too much.

I'm going to go with the Democrat. Now, there is another reason that Republicans are right to fear John Asov. Asaf has what it takes to become a national figure. I've been watching Asov very closely. And when people talk about 2028, they naturally are gravitating to the governors. And there's very interesting Democratic gubernatorial candidates who are potential candidates for 2028. But Assoff is a little different.

First of all, he's from the Senate rather than being a governor. He's younger than all of them. He's disciplined. He's really good on camera. His fundraising is excellent. He's willing to confront Trump directly. And importantly, remember the whole thing. thing of what we really need is a Democrat from the South.

Asoff represents Georgia in the Senate. And that's a state that Donald Trump has previously carried. Not Biden won it in 2020, but Trump got it in 2024. And Asoff, of course, has support from Democrats and he's got support from independence, but there are even some Republicans in other than these that are endorsing him. I mean, Republican voters that also like Asov. And so when you think about 2028, Asov is potentially a very strong contendent. Now, he said he's not interested in running in 28.

He's up for reelection now. It's a six-year term. That term would go through 2032. Fine. But it's clear that Republicans understand the threat. They know that Asoff could come from this re-election campaign where he's doing really well right now, by the way. And he could come out of it with a national profile.

And he will have proven that he can win multiple times in Georgia. Not once and it's a fluke, multiple times. And this is a very strong argument that Democrats. can compete in the South without watering down values. The latest numbers are fascinating. There's an AARP poll which finds AASOF is up nine in Georgia. That is a state Trump just won in 2024. One poll doesn't tell you everything. Georgia's competitive. You've got to get the votes. You've got to run the race. But this is an extraordinary situation. What is proven by seeing three Republicans cross-party lines and go, I'm with the Democrat, Asov, is that he's formidable.

He can build a coalition that I believe Democrats need. You've got to have strong support from the base. You need credibility with independence. And then you also need some crossover appeal so that Republicans go, damn, this guy might actually have what it takes here. Trump, on the other hand, just goes, I need total loyalty. The party must be completely and totally loyal to me. Assov is showing those sorts of demands can back-f.

fire and backfire very quickly. So I'm very interested in this Georgia race. If Asoff wins, the first step is he's got to win. If he wins decisively, I believe that the conversation on Osaf is going to be also about 2028. And, you know, for all the talk about Democrats have such huge problems. And they do. I mean, I'm going to gag if I hear about more Democrats writing an op ed. or a strongly worded letter. I mean, it is just vomited. So there are real problems here for Democrats. But I think there's a very deep farm team for Democrats for 28. And we're going to talk about AOC who has now said she's not ruling out running for president. We have a situation where in the Democratic Party, you have everything from strong centrists to more progressives, all of whom have the

ability, the charisma, the gravitas. the policy chops to be really good candidates. If anything, the problem could be too many candidates and fragmenting the vote, then not enough. Although I actually think the more robust, the primary, the better. So, Asoff with the crossover appeal, Asov leading by nine in Georgia, excellent candidate. And I think another important thing about Asov is a reminder that it's okay if the right Democrat is very different, ideologically in different races. Troy Jackson in Maine facing off against Susan Collins in front of Maine voters doesn't need to check all the same boxes that John Ossoff has to check in a state like Georgia compared to Tala Rico in Texas. That's okay. That's a good thing. Let voters decide what

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And yet it is something extraordinary that is happening because in states that Democrats supposedly can't win, we have like just, I don't say this as praise or as an insult. This is not pejorative nor the opposite. Mainstream pragmatic Democratic candidates are putting up huge numbers against MAGA Republicans. And if even part of these polling numbers survive until November, Republicans may be driving straight into an electoral disaster. Let's take a look at this. Starting in Georgia, Democratic incumbent Senator John Ossoff leads the Trump endorsed Mike Collins by 13.

16 points. Folks, Trump won Georgia in 2024. And the Democrat is defeating Trump's boy by 13. Now you might say, well, maybe Asov always wins by a lot. But no, Ossoff's first Senate election was decided by roughly like a point, if I remember correctly. He's winning by 13. He's winning 68% of independence.

He's winning 66% of moderates. Even a quarter of non-Maga Republicans support John Ossoff. Look at that. North Carolina, maybe even more consequential because this could flip an open seat. Former Democratic Governor Roy Cooper is leading Michael Watley. That's not Tim Watley, the dentist from Seinfeld, played by Brian Cranston. This is Michael Watley, the former Republican National Committee chairman. The Democrat Cooper is up by nine in North Carolina.

And Cooper is not, you know, run, you might, you might not even know about this race because Cooper is not trying to do like the main character on social media thing that that Watley kind of is trying to do. He was a popular two-term governor. He won by focusing on the economy on health care on being competent. He has a nine point lead in a state that hasn't elected a Democratic senator in nearly 20 years. We then go to Ohio. Ohio where Sherrod Brown, who lost his Senate, net Senate seat back in 2020.

he's ahead of the incumbent by eight points. Folks, this is Ohio, which voted by Trump for Trump by double digits in 2024. And the incumbent Republican is losing by eight to Sherrod Brown. Sherrod Brown is sort of like a labor Democrat. He talks about wages. He talks about unions manufacturing the just the stuff normal working people care about. And it is a he has no skeletons in his closet. He's just like, I say this in the best way.

He's a boring pro worker Democrat. Iowa, another interesting race, which we are going to be talking about a lot more. We have Democrat Josh Turek leading Republican Ashley Hinson 50 to 46. That's a four point lead. This one's tighter, but it's a very, this is Iowa, ladies and gentlemen. And then we look at Texas where, okay, so let's this that we there's a lot of undecideds here. We have Democratic candidate James Tala Rico, leading Ken Paxton 45 to 40, 45 to 40. There are still 15% undecided in there.

But that is a remarkable, remarkable number. Tala Rico is leading independence 68 to 29. He's attracting also about a quarter of self-described non-Maga Republicans. And what's Tala Rico talking about? Affordability, education, healthcare, how his opponent is corrupt. And he's talking about it in just kind of like normal everyday language. Now, what are the caveats here? A lot of caveats.

There's a history of Democrats leading Republicans in Senate races over the summer in red states, then they lose. That's one caveat. Another caveat is these are polls, not election results. Another caveat is these are all from Fox News polling. Now, Fox News polling is actually good, but it would be expected that these races could tighten. Everybody should behave as though every single one of these races is tied. Now, let's talk about the broader pattern. These are all very different candidates. Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa, Texas. These are different places. They have different concerns. What is the common thread between these candidates?

They communicate like normal people. They just, you hear them talking. It's like, oh, that sounds like a somewhat normal person compared to Watley, Paxton especially. And they communicate like normal people about affordability, health care jobs and corruption. They aren't looking for the most provocative positions to generate. generate applause in online bubbles. They aren't Republican light. They're defending democratic values.

They're running as Democrats. And they know who they are running against. And then meanwhile, you see Republicans, Mike Collins, Michael Watley, Ken Paxton, these are people defined by I deny election results. I'm loyal to Trump. I have scandals in some cases. And I am part of a movement called MAGA that is completely detached from the everyday concerns of Americans.

I think there's an important lesson here. Obviously, we need to see how these races shake out. But the correct candidates for so Georgia, Asof and Tala Rico are very different is the point I'm trying to make. And they're both doing a good job, as are these other candidates, of meeting voters where they are. And Republicans want this to be an abstract debate about cultural panic that Fox News has ginned up or about socialism and communism or whatever.

These Democrats are talking about kitchen table issues and as for to the extent that the Republican candidates are Trump loyalists. They're also sort of making this a referendum on Donald Trump. This is why Republicans are losing these races. They assumed a lot of these were safe. Despite Ossoff being an incumbent, a lot of Republicans thought that they were going to take out Ossoff. North Carolina, they thought was winnable.

Ohio and Iowa, they assumed was winnable. Texas, they still believe they're going to win. Maybe they will, but maybe they won't. If these numbers hold, what will hit them in November is going to be devastating. Devastating. Now, these are not all opportunities to flip the state. Assoff is the incumbent already, for example. But the message that it would send to win some of these races and to take the House.

And listen, maybe they can take the Senate. It's not looking awesome, but maybe they can. We don't give up. But take the House and at least flip some of these seats. It's going to be a real message to Republicans considering their post-Trump future. You love to see it. And some really great campaigns to get involved in. This, this seriously pisses me off.

Joe Biden, as we know, has stage four cancer. It has spread beyond his bones. His son, Hunter Biden says he's in terrible pain. And somehow, one of the genuinely horrifying questions. questions we now have to ask is what happens if Joe Biden dies while Trump is president. Trump has made the question unavoidable. Now, let me address that in a moment. Here is Hunter Biden just recently revealing that his dad is doing worse. He says it's sad to watch. He says he's in pain. This is a grim situation. Okay, take a look at this.

It's really hard, Patty, and it's really sad to watch. And it's really, the only thing that I say about my dad about his health right now is I wish he would complain more because it's not good. The cancer has spread, is metastasized into his bones and further. It's very painful. And it's very debilitating in many respects. But he's still out there. He's still doing this thing that he so believes in this country. Now, normally in a situation like this, the identity of the sitting president is irrelevant.

You know, if a former president were to die, you have a White House, you know, is going to respond with dignity. They're going to lower flags. A respectful statement will be issued. The sitting president will attend the funeral, will represent the country. It'll be respectful. It'll be something that Americans can look at and go, that is a normal way to behave. But we're talking about Donald Trump.

We're talking about a guy who called Biden, crooked Joe, sleepy Joe, dumb as a rock, the worst president in the history of the United States, suggested that there were lies being told even about Joe Biden's metastatic prostate cancer. And when Biden left the race in 2024, Trump said, oh, Biden had never been fit to serve. And he came to be president only through lies and fake news and all of this stuff. Biden's diagnosed with stage four cancer, Trump briefly sort of wishes him well, but then turns the diagnosis into this disgusting and completely absurd attack and suggested that Biden and his doctors were hiding the illness.

He confused the Gleeson score of nine, which is a score that's related to how aggressive prostate cancer is, saying Biden has stage nine cancer, which is not a thing. And then he said, I feel sorry for him. If you feel sorry for him, don't feel sorry. He's vicious and I really don't feel sorry for Joe Biden. This is a sick person. Now, if you're saying, well, David, this is like sort of, you know, it's not policy related. It's very superficial about tone.

I think you're missing the point if that's your interpretation. Now, just as a contrast, just as a contrast, when Trump got COVID during his first term, Biden pulled all negative campaign ads, wished him well, and waited. That was it. When Trump was shot, Biden called him and condemned the attack and addressed the nation. Now, imagine Biden's funeral with Trump as president. Would he even lower the flags without whining? Would he attend if he were invited and allowed, which I don't think he will be?

Would Trump even attend without making it about himself? could he go a day without talking about how he actually won in 2020 and Biden lost and it was rigged and Biden's incompetent and corrupt and all this stuff? There would be if we were talking about, oh, a president might die while Obama is president. These would be insane questions. Of course Obama would not behave in the way we expect Trump would behave. What if George W. Bush were president? Of course George W. Bush isn't going to behave that way. What about Mitt Romney? Just about any normal Republican or Democrat with Trump, these are reasonable questions. And that is what makes this so disgustingly revolting.

Biden and his family are dealing with fear, the possibility of the end of Biden's life. Biden's not doing well. Okay. That's the point. That's what we learned over the weekend. And the president of the United States is a terminally malignant narcissist who would almost certainly use the death of Joe Biden as a final opportunity to humiliate him. So there's this grotesque, you know, the way life works out is just, it's a grotesque set of circumstances.

And Trump's behavior is always completely beneath the presidency. And it is really an indictment of every person who knew exactly who Trump was and decided to vote for him anyway. Now, there is a practical reality here. The same way, that Donald Trump was not involved in the funeral of George H.W. Bush because the Bush family didn't want Trump anywhere near it. I'm guessing that it'll be the same thing. If, if, and we hope it doesn't happen, if Joe Biden were to pass away while Donald Trump is president. Now, I know so many people hear this kind of stuff and they go, David, I care about affordability. I care about the Iran war. I care about health care, education, foreign policy. This is not about that. I get that.

what we are talking about here is the trickle-down effect of having such a disgusting person as president of the United States. And we have an example that reminds us how this tangential behavioral stuff is highly relevant to our politics. Back when Donald Trump was first becoming the nominee and ultimately the president in 2016 into 2017, one of the things I said is when the president of the president of the president of the United States talks about grab them by the pussy and it has no effect and he becomes president, the nominee and president and all this stuff.

It is of course reasonable that it becomes harder to explain to kids why that sort of behavior isn't okay. But the president did it and he became president anyway. And case and point, last week we had this disgusting clip of Republican congressman Max Miller, who's been accused of very serious abuse of his ex-wife. there were even implications that he abused their kid, although he has denied, he's denied all of it, quite frankly. One of the things that he said, Max Miller said to Jake Tapper, was, of course, I'm not going to drop out.

Donald Trump faced similar allegations. He stayed in and became president of the United States. That is exactly what I am talking about. And so the sort of behavior that Donald Trump would almost certainly exhibit if he presided, or if he was president at the time of Joe Biden's passing, which. I hope Joe Biden that, you know, as we say, may he live to 120, right? As we say in the sort of Jewish non-religious tradition and religious. I hope that doesn't happen.

But the reason it matters is if we are trying to model appropriate, reasonable, normal behavior, you're not going to get normal behavior from Trump if Joe Biden were to pass away while he is president. So, you know, our thoughts go out to the Biden family. Joe Biden clearly not doing well. There are people writing to me with medical people writing to me with prognoses based on what Hunter Biden said. I don't even want to get into that. Trump as the person who is in charge at the time of such a passing disgusts me. The mere premise disgusts me. Shopping for a mattress is one of those things that most people put off. Once you finally decide,

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the biggest and strongest and most masculine economy that anyone has ever seen. And what has happened instead is that job growth has shriveled to roughly one-tenth the size of Joe Biden's. Flaccid, you might call it. We have this new jobs report that I mentioned, just a disaster. I mean, there's no way. Even Fox News is like, yeah, this isn't great. The United States lost 23,000 jobs in July. Economists expected about 80,000 jobs to be added, meaning there was a miss.

of expectations by about 100,000 jobs, not good. We then get to the previous numbers. There were downward revisions. May and June were revised down by about another 100,000 jobs. May was roughly cut in half. The report was 129,000. It was really 63,000 jobs created in May. June was reported as 57K.

It was only 20,000, almost a two thirds downward reduction. This is terrible. This is, you know, no matter who you are, this really should go beyond politics. Oh, David, you're on the left. Don't you want Trump to fail? No. First of all, I care about people other than myself. So I care about other people that are having jobs.

And even if you want to go, even if I'm selfish about it, I want the show to do well. And if a ton of people don't have jobs, that's people who can't buy the stuff. Our advertisers want to sell. so our advertisers won't renew. They won't be able to afford memberships. So whether it's just I actually care about other people, I would want the jobs numbers to be good. If it's I want the best thing for the show and me personally, I would want the jobs numbers to be good. It's good for everybody for jobs numbers to be good.

Over the last 12 months, the United States economy has averaged only 34,000 new jobs a month once you take into consideration these downward revisions. 34,000 under Trump, 336,000 under Biden. Now, remember, this is not a show where I'm the cult leader. In fact, this is so we're kind of getting off track here, but I think I would be much more successful and this show would be much bigger if I organize this show around me as a cult leader with unique knowledge that only I can give you and encourage people not the fact check me. But the truth is, it's Trump who goes, don't believe what you're seeing, don't believe what you're hearing, don't believe what you're being told by the fake news media. Just believe me. But I encourage you one of the themes of the last 80 years of sort of the modern political era, the post-World War II era, we could say, is that there are way more jobs created under Democratic than Republican presidents. Don't believe me?

Good. You should be skeptical. go and verify it. Or maybe you're like trust but verify. David, you're probably trying to tell us the truth, but maybe you got it wrong. Go verify it. Now, when Republicans have no choice but to acknowledge, okay, yeah, there are way more jobs created. It's not close. Way more jobs created when a Democrat is president than when a Republican is president, they will go, yeah, but it's it's usually the policies of the Republican from before that are starting to take a, there is no justification of that. That, that, that, that, been studied by economists and that does not appear. Well, you know, jobs are measured differently

when a republic. No, jobs are measured the exact same way when republic. Okay, so fact check that. Trump's number is about one-tenth the size of Biden's number. But where is the rhetoric been? Trump has spent years saying every good economic number is my personal achievement. Every good economic number when a Democrat is president. The numbers are fake. Any bad economic number when I'm president is either a fake number or it's someone else's fault. And when I'm president, everything will come roaring back. While Trump is president, he came back. And you need a microscope to see the size of Trump's boom. It's such a tiny boom that it's almost micro boom. Medical doctors are like, wow, this thing's tiny. Let me briefly just divert to manufacturing jobs. Only 5,000 new manufacturing

jobs in July. Retail lost a 19,000. Local government education lost 50,000. Private sector added 30. So this is a very concerning set of circumstances with jobs. Manufacturing specifically was supposed to be the centerpiece of Donald Trump's economic miracle that he would bestow upon us. And the tariffs we're going to be so good, so good. And instead, prices are up, manufacturing jobs are down. And there are 500,000 open manufacturing jobs right now. The tariffs have cost Americans hundreds of billions. We have serious shrinkage, serious shrinkage. The familiar Trump routine, he erects gigantic expectations, produce. a completely flaccid result and then goes, everybody see how huge my thing is. It's just such a huge

economy. If Joe Biden lost 23,000 jobs or had been averaging only 34,000 for his entire presidency, Fox would have a countdown clock. Republicans would be holding congressional hearings. And under Trump, they look for some, well, you know, retail that's, that's, is only on the third floor of malls and open on weekends is doing pretty okay and this sort of stuff. It's pathetic. The promise was total virility for the economy and we're getting this exhausted labor market. We're losing jobs some months, downward revisions. We have the numbers.

We have the promises. I'm not asking anybody to do anything special. When you vote in November, just evaluate the promises and see if they came true. That's all I'm saying. And you don't have to take my word for whether they did or didn't. Just remind yourself, what were the promises? The tariffs would be a huge boom for the U.S. We wouldn't start any new wars. We were going to move forward on growing manufacturing employment. Just evaluate, evaluate whether any of the promises have come true. And I can only imagine that you will say to yourself, if you're honest with yourself, which can be tough to do when you fell for it,

whatever boom Donald Trump promised has gone soft. And the softness is pretty embarrassing, but most importantly, it's really bad for this country. And vote based on that. All right. I'm going to come clean with you guys in a sense. It's always sort of like expected that you always act like everything is perfect and everything's going well. But I'm having a real problem right now. And I want to tell you what it is that the Trump white house.

has done to me, when you Google my name now, one of the first results is an official whitehouse.gov Trump Whitehouse page that calls me a media offender and a liberal lunatic. And that search result to the whitehouse.gov page about me appears above my official website. It's above my Instagram account and that by itself is disturbing enough, but I recently learned that the page is actually doing some real damage. Someone who I was talking to about interviewing me regarding my forthcoming book told me, I'm a little hesitant to interview you, David, because of you being on that list. And this person I was talking to, relatively prominent podcaster, not on the White House list, was worried. If I interview you, it might get me added to the list. And then that might cause a problem for them.

And that is a very chilling effect. We've talked before theoretically. And it's crazy because things I've discussed theoretically are now becoming real and practical. I've talked theoretically with you about how the government doesn't need to arrest anyone or formally ban any speech or punish any speech in order to intimidate people. And sometimes the possibility of retaliation is enough to get people to change their behavior. It's called self-censorship. An interviewer avoids a particular guest, in this case, me. Or an outlet decides not to cover a particular story.

Or a journalist decides that asking a particular question of a public official just isn't worth the risk of the blowback that they might receive. The First Amendment protects speech and it protects freedom of the press. The page on whitehouse.gov, based on the lawyers, I've spoken to, including Mark Elias when he was recently on the show, that page doesn't seem to violate my First Amendment rights in any official way. I've not been legally sanctioned. I've not been prevented from producing my show.

I've not been prevented from publishing my work or from promoting my book. But it gets very close to the line because the federal government is identifying certain people, myself included that it doesn't like. It doesn't like what I'm saying. It has labeled me an offender. It has labeled me a liberal lunatic. And it is using whitehouse.gov and the power that whitehouse.gov has as an institution as a thing to attack me and some other content creators.

Now at least one person has said, David, I'm not going to interview you about your book because I'm worried I will become the next target if I do that. This is exactly how free expression is weakened without any official acts of censorship. This is how you see a page with a high Google rating, right? I mean, high Google ranking, that's the reason that for most people when they search David Pacman, the Whitehouse.gov page is coming up above even things as established as Instagram. That is creating a situation where the authority carried by whitehouse.gov is because of the reach of the federal government and search engines therefore treat it as more important than my own

page and that helps this attack to follow me, even though I've now been on that page for months. Now, of course, I know some of you will Google my name and you'll go, oh, actually, when I see it, your Instagram is ahead of the White House.gov. We know that search results vary by person, by location, by device, by time of day, all of this stuff. Not everybody's going to see the exact same thing. But the screenshot we put up shows the danger very clearly, which is that a government smear can rank higher.

then the target's own website and social media accounts. And so then when we try to get a guest on the show or we talk to a potential advertiser or a business partner, they go, let's see who this, uh, David Packman is. Let's see what David is all about. And one of the first things they see above my own page, above my own Wikipedia page above my Instagram is this white house whitehouse. Whitehouse.gov page making it clear that the government, the Trump government, we should be clear, the Trump administration doesn't think too highly of me. Now, of course, the White House may respond to criticism. They're allowed to do that. They're allowed to dispute reporting that they find to be inaccurate. They can defend their policies as better than what I'm arguing for. But when you create

these enemy style lists, you are crossing the line because there's no neutral standard or evidence or hearing or appeal. It's the government declaring our critics are offenders and then they let fear effectively do the rest. Now, I don't care what your politics are. You should be concerned about this if you care about the Constitution, if you care about free speech, if you care about the First Amendment. Today, the target is me. It's Brian Tyler Cohen. It's Brian Tyler. It's Tyler. It's Tyler Brianson and Cohen Tyler. It's all of them, right? It's all of us, all of them. But you could have a future administration that uses the same tactic against conservatives, activists, academics, and private citizens. And I would be against it because this is not about politics. The best

response to this, there is only one best possible outcome. The intimidation has to fail. The intimidation has to create blowback where people say, that's really matter. up, that's not what the government is supposed to be doing. I'm going to support this creator. So support, go look at the list. You know, maybe you see me on there and go, David, I don't really like you that much. I don't like that purple shirt. I don't like your hairstyle. That's fine. Whatever independent media you see on that list that you do think is worth supporting, and hopefully I am one of those people, go out and support them. Pre-order my new book, which, by the way, it's very clear they're going to try to suppress. David Pakman.com slash attention.

Subscribe to the YouTube channel. This costs nothing. Follow me on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, the podcast. Get on my free substack newsletter. All of this stuff costs nothing. And we are going to push back and fight them because we can't let them get away with this. They can put my name on a list. They absolutely, they did it.

It should not be able to frighten people into looking the other way when we see the bully pulpit of Whitehouse.gov used to attack critics. This is what we see in authoritarian countries. This is what we see in dictatorships. This is what we see in this world of if we don't find what they are saying flattering, then we would like it to be against the law. And that's the administration that we have right now. It's not the American way. And whether it's a Republican, a Democrat, a progressive commentator, a right-wing commentator, let's criticize their ideas. Let's say, I don't believe that you're right about what you're saying. these lists harken back to some of the darkest periods of media suppression and worse in

authoritarian dictatorships over the last 150 years around the world. We can't let them win with it. If you're not subscribed to the YouTube channel, please do. We estimate there's four million people who are watching videos every month and not subscribed. Just imagine what we could do if even a fraction of those four million did subscribe. And thank you to everyone who has reached out. I've heard from so many people in the audience who say, David, we agree on some things. We disagree on others. I don't like your take on GMO. I don't like, but what is being done is wrong. And we need to support the ability to debate these ideas and saying these people shouldn't have a voice is wrong. Thanks to all of those. Let's do it. We're not going to let them get away with this.