The David Pakman Show - Republicans suddenly turn on Trump as Rogan sounds alarm

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

-- On the Show: -- Republican Rep. María Elvira Salazar releases a campaign ad confronting Donald Trump over immigration policy -- President Donald Trump jokes about presidential power and repeats a familiar story about electric boats and sharks -- Surgeon general nominee Dr. Nicole Saphier answers direct questions about vaccines during her Senate confirmation hearing -- Podcast host Joe Rogan expresses frustration with Donald Trump's presidential actions despite having endorsed him before the election -- A federal judge blocks attempts to add Donald Trump's name to the Kennedy Center leading to a tense board call -- FBI Director Kash Patel defends his schedule on television after facing questions regarding his official and personal travel -- The Friday Feedback segment -- On the Bonus Show: Laura Ingraham thinks Republicans want to lose, the Trump administration wants trigger warnings outside the Smithsonian, and much more... 🐶 Sundays for Dogs: Get 30% OFF with code PAKMAN at https://sundaysfordogs.com/pakman ⚠️ Ground News: Get 40% OFF their unlimited access Vantage plan at https://ground.news/pakman 🩳 SHEATH Underwear: Code PAKMAN for 20% OFF at https://sheathunderwear.com/pakman -- Become a Member: https://davidpakman.com/membership -- Subscribe to our (FREE) Substack newsletter: https://davidpakman.substack.com -- Get David's Book: https://bit.ly/m/attention -- Send David a text: [phone] -- TDPS Subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow -- David on Bluesky: https://davidpakman.com/bluesky -- David on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/davidpakmanshow (00:00) Start (01:32) House Republican distances from Trump (08:54) Trump sound drunk on power in speech (20:42) Trump surgeon general nominee testifies (29:11) Joe Rogan criticizes Trump's policies (39:19) Judge blocks Kennedy Center renaming (45:32) Kash Patel defends FBI travel schedule on Fox (51:39) Friday Feedback segment Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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unthinkable not long ago, including one longtime ally reportedly saying, F them, F this about the Trump White House. Trump himself delivers another remarkable appearance talking about the crazy power of the presidency. Did you know he could ban fishing if he wanted to? And then he comes back to the ever present issue of sharks and electrocution. Joe Rogan, who endorsed Trump in 2024, is now openly questioning whatever happened to that whole drain the swamp thing. And he is criticizing the administration over a new war.

Trump reportedly erupts after losing another round in this bizarre fight to put his name on the Kennedy Center. And Donald Trump's Surgeon General nominee, I got to hand it to her. She went before the Senate and she gave a surprisingly direct answer about vaccines, autism, and measles. But is there something between the lines that we need to read. And also, of course, your emails, your comments in Friday feedback. There are just days left until my new book is, excuse me, I'm getting all choked up over it. There are just days

left until my new book is out. We will soon never have to hear about it again. But I hope you've preordered a copy at David Pakman.com slash attention. Let's do the show. Why not? Something has broken in the Republican Party. And if you look at the language that Republicans are now using about Donald Trump, what I'm about to show you is pretty extraordinary. One longtime Trump ally summed up the mood in four words about the Trump White House. F them, F this. And now Republicans are going public.

We've known about the private complaining about Trump for 11 years. But we are now seeing Republicans start to publicly distance themselves from Donald Trump because they're staring down the barrel of a midterm election that might end their political lives. And so you've got Republicans running campaign ads criticizing Donald Trump's policies and skipping events with J.D. Vance and voting with Democrats against Trump's war in Iran. Not a lot of them. But we finally see some Republican politicians asking a very obvious question. It's a question that was forbidden for basically a decade. Is Donald Trump a political liability for us now to the point that I need to.

publicly take a stand. And we start with Republican Congresswoman Maria Alvira Salazar of Florida. This is a Republican. She's not a never-trumper. She endorsed Trump in 2024. Trump gave her what he calls his complete and total endorsement just earlier this year. Now she puts out this campaign ad, which we're going to look at filmed right outside the White House confronting Trump over his immigration crackdown. This is not a Democrat. This is not a never-trump Republican. This is a Republican endorsed by Trump, who also endorsed Trump. Take a look at this. Mr. President, some of your immigration enforcement efforts have gone too far.

In July, 50% of the 50,000 people that were detained had no criminal record. Be careful what your advisors are telling you about immigration policy. The same Hispanics who help you get to the White House in 2024 feel betrayed today. You can be for immigration when Lincoln was for slavery and Reagan was for communism. I'm not talking about giving them amnesty. I'm talking about giving them a dignified life in this promised land. I am Marie Ile virus Salazar and I approve this message. That is a Republican.

That's a Republican member of Congress weeks before a midterm election saying to Trump publicly, my voters, my constituents, your voters feel that you've betrayed them. Now, she has an election to win. And when you've got an election to win, all of a sudden, you know, unconditional loyalty to Trump doesn't quite look so hot. But this is a much bigger story than just Congresswoman Salazar because you've got Mark Halperin reporting that there are senior Republicans and longtime Trump allies furious over the controversy over Don Jr.'s wedding party being paid for by Russian oligarch Umar Kremlev, who reportedly paid not only for this multi-day wedding

party for Don Jr. and his new wife's wedding, but reportedly, and that included by the way, renting islands and fireworks and all of that. He also, uh, Kremlin lev reportedly paid for masculinization surgery for Don Jr. His his jaw wasn't masculine enough and they went in there and they made it more like a man. Kremlin reportedly paid for that as well. And Trump's entire response to the controversy was that this is really no big deal. I don't even know the guy. Well, there are a bunch of Republicans who think it's a very big deal. And one source said that This is a it's terrible, that it's terrible for Republicans at the end of the day. And I don't think that like the wedding itself for the wedding party is the important thing.

The wedding party being paid for the lavish wedding party being paid for by this Russian oligarch symbolizes a much bigger problem for Republicans who are trying to survive, which is our voters look around. This is them speaking, a random republic. Salazar, for example, she's in her district. She looks around. Her constituents are angry about gas prices. They're angry about the Iran war. They're angry about the trade war with Canada that's hurting Americans. They're angry, as she points out about immigration enforcement and Trump's personal projects in the ballroom and all this stuff. And all of a sudden, there's a two or three day viral story about how Trump's family is getting, you know, lavish gifts and an incredibly rich lifestyle

from a Russian oligarch while her constituents are just trying to figure out how the hell do I make it to the end of the month. And so Republicans to some degree have reached their limit. Now, look at else is happening. Republican Senate candidate Ashley Hinson in Iowa isn't even going to J.D. Vance's rally in Council Bluffs saying, oh, I have a conflict. Now, of course, if being around the vice president would help you, you would solve the conflict and you would figure out a way to be there. So that's a red flag. And then as we talked about yesterday in the House, seven Republicans joined Democrats on this measure meant to block Trump from continuing military action against Iran. Now, I think it's important to be clear about what this is and what it isn't.

Donald Trump still dominates the Republican Party. There has not been a mass exodus of Republicans from Trump. But that's why I think these defections are notable because for years, the safest strategy for Republican politicians was super simple. Whatever the hell Trump does, we defend it. We find some way to defend it. Whatever Trump says, we support it. Whatever scandal comes up, we just dismiss it and we move on.

But now we're seeing Republicans make a completely different calculation. which is they go, man, I need to survive politically. I need to put some distance between myself and Trump, even if it runs the risk of triggering him into attacking me. And once politicians start to believe I need to distance from Trump in order to win, the incentive structure changes really quickly. Loyalty in D.C. is the strongest when that loyalty helps you keep your job. And when you start worrying the loyalty might cost me my job, you've got disagreements and previously non-existent concerns that become very real. So if you're too busy when J.D. Vance comes to town and suddenly you're saying my constituents don't like your immigration policy and you stand

outside the White House and say, we've been betrayed by you, it's not that the party has abandoned Trump, but it is that Republicans who spent years terrified of crossing Trump are starting to do it publicly. And the timing right before the midterms is the part Trump should be paying attention to, especially because if what comes to pass in, what is it, six and a half, seven, seven weeks, something like that, six and a half weeks. If what comes to pass is that Republicans lose at least the House, which seems almost certain and potentially the Senate, which is roughly 50, 50, tilting a little bit more in the favor of Democrats. If that comes to pass, Trump is going to be isolated and he is going to be the lamest of lame duck presidents. He is going to be subject

to investigations, subpoenas, oversight. It's going to be a nightmare for him. He needs to at least have what's left of the Republican Party rally around him or he will be dead in the water as far as politics go. And if people like Congresswoman Salazar and others start, Ashley Hinson starts saying, ah, we're going to take a little space. This could be one of the most devastating lame duck periods for any president in American history. And Trump would be deserving of it. So let's make it happen.

Trump admitted that he is drunk on power in a disgusting, swollen, orange rant. He seemed to briefly lose his ability to use language. Some are calling it a dementia rant. It certainly stunned the audience. And as usual, it is authoritarianism. It is confusion. It is cognitive decline. It is all of these things.

Trump waxes poetic about the authoritarianism he could wield if he wanted to. I could have banned fishing. if I wanted just all together. Take a listen to this. I could have banned fishing. I'll tell you what, the power of this office is crazy. I could have banned fishing and driven Johnny right the hell out of business, okay? I think I'm going to do that just maybe just a quick order just for a day or two until he calls me and he says, please, please, you're putting me out of business, sir. Anyway, but since I took off, think. This is an authoritarian classic.

You might go banning fishing. What? No, no, no. Here's the authoritarian classic. Saying you deserve praise for things you could have done. Do you know all the power that I have? Do you realize the things I could do? But I'm choosing not to.

Authoritarians love that. They love saying you should respect the fact that. So let me give you the context. Trump was joking around, I guess, with Bass Pro Shop founder, John. Morris about how he could put him out of business. And so Trump goes, I could be, I have the power to ban fishing. And that would put you completely out of business. And so it's sort of a joke and he goes, oh, maybe I'll ban it for a day or two to get Morris

to call me and go, sir, president, please, please unbanned fishing. And everybody laughs. But the underlying aspect of this is look at all the power I have. I could ban something you depend on. I could destroy your business with the snap of a button. the press of a button, the snap of a finger. And then you would come begging for relief to me. And he presents it as a joke.

But this is a very, this is the Trumpian understanding of government. And it is so authoritarian, which is massive presidential power wielded completely at Trump's discretion, whatever he wants. And authoritarian's love that. And it is a theme of authoritarianism to go, listen, you know, I could have made life very very difficult for you, but I didn't do that. And so you should praise me for that. Yeah, would you really, well, I could have done it and I didn't. Now, then we get to the White House helipad. Now, you might be saying, you know, I'm dealing with my own problems. I'm trying to afford gas.

I'm trying to afford groceries. And Trump's building a helipad. But Trump claims that the country loves his new helipad at the White House for his private helicopter. Well, private. We pay for it. Taxpayers pay for it, but it's Trump who gets the use of it. With patriots like you, it'll continue for a long time. So I just want to congratulate you all and your tremendous success. There's tremendous success on this beautiful stone surface. There's tremendous success and you've done an incredible job. And we're going to hand you a little coin as emblematic of your visit.

And again, if you want, you can walk over, check out the new helipet. If you don't like it, let me know. I won't do a damn thing about it. Everybody loves it actually. People are talking about it all over the country. It's really taken- Really? People love the helipad. People are farmers in Nebraska getting together and going, you know, dad gum gas prices and

energy costs and groceries and war, but have you seen Trump's helipad? I mean, listen, this is really a country that is doing so well. People want health care, okay? People want to get out of a war that you promised would be. never start. You think people are sitting around the dinner table in Detroit and Little Rock and wherever and Youngstown, Ohio saying, honey, things are so expensive. But the granite on Trump's new helipad is so good. It's so good. This is the strange bubble that Trump is in, which is whatever he's personally obsessed with is the thing that supposedly has captivated the entire country.

And then somehow, somehow, and this is where the dementia concerns really surged, we arrived back at one of Donald Trump's favorite subjects. What happens when you combine electric boats and sharks and big water? You get electrocution. And this is the sort of rant where if this was a family member, you'd say, I think we need a neuropsych eval. I said, let me ask you a question. If you get a little leak and the water starts coming in your boat and you're in electric. Do you get electrocuted or not? He said, you know, nobody's ever asked me that question.

And I said, so here's my question. You remember this? They used to say it during the campaign driving the press crazy, but people found it sort of amusing. I said, so if I'm an electric boat and I see I'm going down and the water's pouring in, so I know I'm going to be electrocuted. But five yards away, there are sharks. So I take the electrocution or do you? I go swimming with the sharks. And you know what my answer was? I'll take the electrocution,

okay? I'll take the electric. But he didn't know how to answer the question, Johnny. He said, no idea. And, uh, but what I did do is it didn't matter because I have no notes on this. I would just take that and say, hey, listen, here is what the president is talking about as the economy collapses around him in an affordability crisis, the likes of which we haven't seen in a long time. And the likes of which Trump said would be fixed like that within hours, days, even weeks, a year of him being sworn back into office. And it's getting worse and worse and worse. Again, if a family member ranted like this at the dinner table, you would go, hey, we should

just get you to a neurologist just to make sure everything's good. And Trump has come back to this story time and time again. And now he tells it while talking about, you know, boating Biden error restrictions on boat speeds. There's an actual policy issue here. You might be saying there can't be any real policy question there. There is a policy issue which involves the speed restrictions on boats to protect marine wildlife. Trump hates those restrictions. He doesn't give a damn about marine wildlife.

So he wants to let boats go as quickly as possible. But then he gets into this imaginary death match between what if the electric boat electrocuted me. But if I sink, then there might be a shark that eats me. And I think we should be precise here. I can't tell you what medical condition this rant is evidentiary of. And I don't know that just from watching one video we can tell. But what he is saying is bizarre. And if you take the sum total of this speech, you've got a president who is focused on the crazy power of his office and the things he could do, including to destroy people's businesses until that person comes to him and begs for mercy. He's claiming that Americans across the country are captivated and enamored by a new helipad for the helicopter to land on at the White House.

And he is again ranting about a hypothetical choice between shark attacks and electrocution, all during an event that is ostensibly about public lands and about hunting and fishing and preservation. Now, at another point in this same event, Trump came up against language that he didn't understand. He was looking at his own executive order about lead ammunition. And he said, I don't know what any of this means. And he turned to Interior Secretary Doug Bergam for help. And so the simplest way, I think to summarize this appearance is listen carefully to what Trump is saying. And increasingly, the unedited material, we don't need to do any edits. We don't need AI. We don't need voice changers, voice cloners. We don't need any of it. This doesn't making any sense.

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All right. Donald Trump's habit of finding people from watching TV, maybe, maybe produced a public health nominee who can at least answer some basic questions directly, but maybe not. I want to run it by you and see what you think. The latest nominee for Donald Trump's surgeon general after his previous nominee crashed and burned is Dr. Nicole Safier. Dr. Nicole Safier is a radiologist and Trump knows her from Fox News.

She used to be a Fox News contributor. This is Trump's third attempt to fill this position. You might recall that Trump's nominee Casey Means was completely incompetent and stalled in the Senate. Trump then nominated Dr. Jeanette Nishawatt, another Fox News doctor, withdrew her nomination because she was also painfully unqualified and delusional. And so now we've had no attorney, attorney general, No surgeon general since January of 2025. Trump is still doing the very Trumpy thing here, which is, hey, someone on TV got my attention.

I like her physical appearance. This is who I'm going to consider for this very important position. But here is where it gets very interesting. Nicole Safier went before the Senate health education, labor and pensions committee. And Republican Senator Bill Cassidy, who is a physician himself, started asking some really basic questions about vaccines. And Cassidy didn't want carefully lawyer non-answers. He's a doctor. He said, I don't want wiggle room when you answer these questions.

And so he basically says, give me real answers. Let's take a listen to what Nicole Safier said. And you tell me, does this sound reasonable to you? Did Trump finally find someone competent to be surgeon general? So if she asked you, the mom asked you specifically, And obviously this is topical. Does the MMR vaccine cause autism? What do you say?

Well, humbly, I don't know what causes autism, but I have not seen repeatable evidence that would suggest that vaccines cause autism. Can you tell the parent, I assume you've reviewed the literature, that there is no credible evidence that vaccines cause autism? Certainly, I have not seen any evidence presented to me

that is repeated. little bit of a wiggle room there, and I'm so sensitive to this because I've had wiggle room from people sitting there, as Senator Baldwin said, who later used that wiggle room to do things which are quite contrary. Do you, I assume you've reviewed the literature, would you feel comfortable communicating with clarity? Because when you spoke about the COVID vaccine and the need for clarity, not, oh, well, but no, clarity, are you up to saying to the American people? Well, let me ask you, is the MMR vaccine extremely lethal, as the president said? Chairman Cassidy, I cannot speak to what the president has said.

If you cannot say. As a physician, I can tell you that I do not believe the MMR vaccine to be lethal. I believe the MMR vaccine is our greatest tool for combating measles. That's great. That's great, music. And does it cause autism? I do not believe childhood vaccines cause autism. And should a parent be vaccinating your child for with the MMR?

I think that the recommendation is to combat what we are seeing right now, the best tool we have to combat these infections to save the most lives and to also create population herd immunity is vaccination against the MMR. I appreciate the president is trying to reach the vaccine hesitant people who are wanting more answers or who are concerned that there are too many doses. I'm not sure that you reach people who are vaccine hesitancy by feeding into untruths. Right. The way to dispel confusion is not to sow more confusion.

The way is to say, no, it does not cause autism. And frankly, even, well, I've never seen any evidence for it, suggests that there might be evidence out there, but you just are not briefed on it. That's a little bit of an equivocation. I understand what you're saying. I do not believe that there is reputable evidence that shows, causation of childhood vaccines and autism. What I can say is that I believe vaccines save lives and they're one of the strongest tools in our arsenal when it comes to public health.

All right. So listen, I understand that Cassidy is kind of going, are you, I haven't seen evidence is different than there is no evidence. But Nicole Safier for being a Trumpian nominee in this environment, that's really not bad, right? I mean, like, okay, it's another Fox News nominee, I get that. We don't need to pretend that there was a different sort of process that was put in place here. But like, she's getting most of the points right. The MMR vaccine is the best tool we have against measles mumps and rebella. I don't believe it's lethal.

It's our greatest tool for combating measles. There's no evidence I've seen that links it to autism. So I want to go to you. Is that language that she introduces, I've not seen the evidence? Is she just being legally careful because it's theoretically possible that there's some evidence out there, but she certainly hasn't seen it and she's not going to suggest that it exists? Or do you think she is equivocating? Do you think she is being kind of squirrely?

Cassidy stopped her and said, I think that is an equivocation, basically going like, just tell us, is there? And Safier goes, well, I don't believe that that is the case. I haven't seen evidence and I don't believe that that is the case. Like, I think that that's pretty good. We also have to compare it not only to what the previous nominee said, which was a disaster, but maybe to the gold standard. I don't know, which is to just say, listen, there is absolutely no evidence for that whatsoever,

period. That's it. Let me know what you think. And of course, remember the context, which is that Donald Trump has fomented some of the greatest anti-vaccine sentiment in this country in at least decades. Is it even going all the way back to the beginning of the 20th century when we got vaccines? I don't know. what's happening with measles, the worst measles outbreak in more than 35 years as a result.

And Cassidy, to his credit, he's a Republican. We disagree about a lot of things. Cassidy has been good on this issue. And he opened the hearing by straight up criticizing the Trump administration's position on vaccines and saying, listen, we need health decisions, health officials who are making decisions based on science, not based on politics or ideology. And we've got people dying of measles and we've got additional deaths under review. This is not an abstract argument on Reddit or Twitter. It's a very contagious disease. And he keeps going. And he later even asked about Hep B vaccination at birth. And she said, I support that. That was very straightforward. She says universal birth dosing is the best way to prevent Hep B. Period. That is it. So let me kind of be clear about what I'm

saying here. I am not saying Nicole Safier and I suddenly agree about everything or she's a perfect nominee or every position she's taken is correct. It doesn't mean. that because she answered these questions relatively well, we shouldn't scrutinize other stuff. It is still a Trump nominee sourced from Fox News at the end of the day. And she didn't completely break with the vaccine agenda of the administration when she goes, well, listen, I mean, I understand Trump is trying to communicate people to assuage that. No, Trump is doing anti-vax nonsense. But compared to what we've been getting, there is definitely something refreshing. about hearing someone who's being considered for a major public health position,

position, answer some basic scientific questions pretty clearly. And there's something almost comical about how we got here, which is that Trump has this tendency to just pick people with TV backgrounds for government jobs, even if they're completely unqualified and incompetent. In this case, that is how she ended up here. She was a Fox News contributor before Trump nominated her. But that apparently didn't prevent her from being somewhat reasonable, somewhat reasonable on the topic of vaccines. It should be boring. A surgeon general hearing should be very boring. It

really shouldn't make news. And the reason this is making news is she didn't present any conspiracy theories. And she just sort of said like, hey, listen, here's what the evidence is. And it's basically what I believe. So how do you see it? Was she equivocating or is it a breath of fresh air? Let me know in the comments. I want to hear from you. Joe Rogan pounded Trump just pound, pound, pound and stunned some of his audience by pointing out, listen to the stuff that Donald Trump is actually doing. I think something somewhat remarkable is happening with Rogan right now. Rogan is looking at the Trump administration and he endorsed Trump.

And he's increasingly going, this isn't what I thought that I was getting. Now, there are two parts to the story as we look at these clips. The first is it is significant when someone with Rogan's audience publicly criticizes an administration that he used to support. That's a big deal. But second is we warned you about. this Joe, this what you might be shocked at how it all worked out, but we're not shocked. Remember exactly what happened. Rogan endorsed Trump right before the 2024 election and he explicitly

wrote, yes, it's an endorsement of Trump. This is after he put out an interview with, with I guess it was Elon Musk. And that came after Rogan hosted Trump for this nearly three hour interview. It generated tens of millions of views. So Rogan was not an observer of the 2024 election from the sidelines. He interviewed Trump for three hours and then he endorsed him. And now look at some of the things that he is saying. It's a very different tune that he's singing. But I also recognize when government is taking over our lives. And what we were sold with the Trump administration would be that would end.

And you know, they'd be a drain of the swamp. Obviously, it's not been ideal. It has not been ideal. All right. So we're starting. We're starting. And Joe Rogan is scrutinizing whether the promises that he supported have been fulfilled. And they haven't been.

But I keep coming back to like, what did you expect? Trump wasn't an unknown political figure in 2024. He was president for four years. And then we saw him meltdown and commit crimes and do all sorts of other wacky things during the four years that he was out of office while Joe Biden was president. And he spent years telling us what he was going to do when he would come back to office. And he promised mass deportations. And he did it.

He promised sweeping tariffs. He promised major changes throughout federal government and expanding presidential authority and firing bureaucrats and all of this stuff. And he did that. And he promised retribution against political opponents. And he did that. And we were saying when a lot of people were going, ah, that's bluster. We were saying, no, that stuff he's really going to do.

Meanwhile, he also made promises that were unlikely to be held to. Gas will come down under two bucks a gallon again and energy will come down and groceries will come down. We didn't believe it. And we were right not to believe it. He said the tariffs would be a boon economically and they would raise GDP to five to six And we didn't believe it. And we were right not to believe it.

Now, people can support or oppose any proposal. The proposals weren't secret. So when Rogan goes, this isn't what I thought I was getting. Part of the story is, dude, you helped promote this stuff. He was public about what he wanted to do, about the things you don't like. Now, then Rogan gets to foreign policy. And I think this is even more striking. Take a listen.

This was the whole reason why one of the things that people loved about Trump was no more bullshit wars. Yeah. No more wars. No more unnecessary wars. That was the one thing I couldn't argue with. Yeah. You know, like, okay, well, yeah, we don't need to be in a war. Yeah, and that's what we hoped, you know, but it seems like we're in one. Seems like it. They won't call it that, but that's what it seems like to me. What are they calling it? A conflict? Yeah, conflict, military conflict, the same as Vietnam. Jesus Christ. Yeah. It's like Doug. Now, Rogan's saying the whole reason Trump won was he said no more wars. I don't really agree with that. I think there were a bunch of issues in 24. But Trump did campaign on ending wars. And he campaigned on not starting any new ones.

And now we're about to enter month eight of the war with Iran, which was going to be a two to three week war. Started on February 28th. And now we've got massive economic consequences. Now, Rogan, I think, is completely entitled to just go, this isn't what I thought I was supporting. Oh, cool. But you can't separate the realization from the endorsement. If you have one of the largest media platforms in the country and you interview the guy for three hours and then you immediately endorse him or you endorse him immediately, better said right before election day and then you figure out, damn, I don't really like what he's doing. Your support has to be part of the story. Now, that doesn't mean Rogan's responsible for what Trump has done. Obviously he's not.

Trump and Trump is responsible for what he's done. But Rogan is responsible for his own endorsement. And so now that he's publicly acknowledging that we have all these outcomes that don't match what he thought he was supporting, I would love to hear Rogan actually do a little bit more of a Mea culpa, not because it would make me feel good, but it would make me think, oh, he understands his role in this entire thing. Okay. Then they move and they talk about Texas. And Ron White, the comedian that Rogan's interviewing, starts talking about Ken Paxton. And this is very interesting. Because we need better teachers. We need more teachers. We need the public school system beefed up. We're getting the shit. shit beat out of as an education. And I think Talarico was really, really good for that. And I think he's a smart, honest man. I hope he never gets sucked into the corruption of all the money like most people do. But, you know, you really can't put Ken Paxton back in the office in the state of Texas. That guy's just too corrupt. You know, he's just a bad egg and we don't need him around.

It's not Rogan saying it. But his guest is saying it, Ron White. And of course, Paxton has a long history of corruption impeached by the Republican controlled Texas House in 2023. He was accused of bribery and abuse of public trust. He was acquitted by the Texas Senate. He was allowed to remain attorney general. He had this longstanding security fraud case. It was resolved in 2024 and the charges were dropped. So like it is true. Paxton has not admitted guilt. He's not been convicted of any crimes. So that's relevant in a court of law. You can't put him in prison if he hasn't actually been convicted or admitted guilt. But voters can evaluate and they can go, damn, there's a lot of corruption.

corruption around this guy and I don't like it. Voters in the court of public opinion are allowed to use whatever they want to decide who to vote for. So you've got this fascinating conversation in the Joe Rogan universe where the guy who endorsed Trump is saying they haven't drained the swamp. These promises haven't worked out. He's criticizing the U.S.'s involvement in another war, but he supported a guy who said, we're not going to do any of that stuff. And then in comes his guest Ron White and attacks Trump's endorsed candidate in Texas, which is where Rogan's show now films. I think that that's all really important stuff, but we've got to scrutinize how we got here. Rogan has a really big audience and his, uh, his, when he makes political commentary,

millions of people are hearing it. He had an opportunity to evaluate Trump's record and his promises in 2024. And ultimately the conclusion he came to is this is the guy people should vote for. I endorse him. And now he's looking at the results and going, man, on this issue, it wasn't what I expected on this issue it wasn't what I signed up for fine you've reevaluated you've changed your mind cool better than not changing your mind but the lesson here is don't go oh what when a politician makes a series of promises you have to be able to think critically so when Trump goes I'm going to run a retribution tour against my political enemies you have to think for yourself and go okay how likely is Trump to do that well

the first four years in office combined with the ease of just directing the DOJ to investigate people he doesn't like suggests Trump is likely to do that. It's easy for Trump to do that and he seems motivated to do it. Cool. We've evaluated that promise. And then you don't go, I'm shocked. He did it. No, you evaluated it. We said, yeah, he's probably going to do that. On the other hand, when Trump goes, we're going to get gas down 50%. You also evaluate that promise and you go, is that easy to do? No, it's not. Is that likely to happen? No, it's not. Here's all the reasons why. And so we have to be more thoughtful and analytical. And we don't just go anything politicians promise I either believe or I don't believe.

No, we have to actually think about it. Trump's authoritarian instincts inform what he is likely to want to do. And so when some people wrote off Trump's authoritarian threats as bluster, we said he's really going to try to do this stuff. I'm on a media offenders list, me personally, David. at whitehouse.gov. He's done that stuff because it's easy to do. But then the other things, we are going to have 6% GDP growth while putting in place global tariffs. We go, yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. And we have to be able to go deeper than just. I either believed him or I

didn't believe him. Rogan helped make the case for putting them back in office. Rogan should also hold himself accountable. It's all we're asking for. The brutally hot weather we have has a way of exposing malfunctioning underwear. You take one long walk or commute in the humidity or you're in a studio like this one that's overheated one day and suddenly it's the sweat and the friction and the readjusting. And this is where sheath underwear is a game changer. We have a sponsor. Sheath. They just make great underwear built around a pouch design that will separate and support. It'll reduce skin on skin contact. It'll eliminate. the chafing when things get a little sticky. Their lineup includes five or eight inch boxer briefs.

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sporadically text you about things going on with the show, but mostly it's to hear from you. 646-531-4333. Donald Trump lost in court this week. And according to people who were on the call afterwards, he completely exploded. I want to be precise. There are people describing this as an effing crazy reaction. That is not my characterization. Okay. This is how, member of the Kennedy Center board described Trump's phone call into the board after the Supreme Court ruled you can't just rename and put Trump's name on the thing. Another source source said to CNN that Trump was screaming throughout the call. So let's talk about what happened. Earlier this week, Donald Trump was handed a loss in his attempt to put his name on the Kennedy Center because a federal

judge ruled that the Trump and that Trump and the Kennedy Center board can't just put his name on the building. Did I say Supreme Court earlier? I'm at federal, I'm at federal court. They can't rename it, the Trump Kennedy Center. They can't rename the grounds, the Trump Plaza. And the judge made a really simple point, which is Congress created the Kennedy Center as a memorial to John F. Kennedy. If you want to add new presidential memorials, you need Congress to do it. The board doesn't get to do it. Trump doesn't get to do it. Trump didn't take the news well. And according to the reporting, Trump personally called into the Kennedy Center board meeting. Democratic Congresswoman Joyce Beattie was

there and she used to be a member of the board. And the call went completely off the rails. Again, one board member said it was effing crazy. Another said Trump was screaming. Bidi said that she confronted Trump over the Kennedy Center's financial problems and said, your involvement has made us be indebted and we can't get out of the debt. And then apparently Trump and BD got into a heated argument. And it is an incredible situation when, Of all the things that are going on, Trump is personally calling into a performing arts center at the end of the day, a board meeting for a performing art center after losing a court case about putting his name on the building and screaming at people.

Now shortly afterward, the Trump-aligned board voted to close most of the Kennedy Center for renovations. They're justifying that by saying, hey, we've got structural and financial concerns here. There's another part of this that Trump has made explicit, which is that the renovation isn't going to happen if the courts won't eventually let me put my name on the building. And he wrote, if the appeals court rules against me and the Supreme Court doesn't reverse it, we are not going to do any of the renovation. So think of the sequence. Trump wants his name on the Kennedy Center. He takes over the board with sycophants. They say, hey, let's put your name on it.

A judge says, no, you can't do that. Trump calls into the board meeting, starts screaming at people. The board votes to close the whole thing. And Trump goes, the renovation, $257 million. that we're going to do that we must do. Not going to happen unless we get my name on it. Now, Reuters has independently confirmed that after the ruling, the board did vote to close the center and that Trump has threatened to stop the renovations if his name doesn't go on it. What makes this really weird to me is Trump doesn't need a bizarre workaround if he wants Congress to rename the place.

Republicans control Congress. Go through the legislative process and put Trump's name on it. But it doesn't seem like that would actually work. It doesn't seem that even the Republican-controlled Congress would want to be doing that. And this is a pathetic attempt. It's like what kind of onyx or marble are we using for my new driveway or is it going to be, you know, Italian stone for the columns of the ballroom or what? Trump is focused.

Maggie Haberman said 70% of his time. It seems like it's more like 80 or 90% of his time on this sort of thing. Can we get an inscription with my name on it at the Kennedy Center? And Trump is reacting like an absolute and total lunatic. Now, you know what? I would understand if you're an elected official and you are fighting for policy to get things done for the American people. I would understand being angry.

Imagine that Trump actually gave a damn about the average American. And he was onto a policy idea that really was going to get Americans health care. I know that this is a fantasy because whenever Trump has a health care. care proposal, like 15 million people will lose health care. You know, Trump's Trump's food stamp proposal has kicked off millions of people from food stamps. But imagine a hypothetical world where you were an elected official. You've identified a proposal to get people health care. And courts start standing in your way because of what you see as a technicality. I would understand being angry. Like the behavior Trump is exhibiting about his name on the Kennedy Center would be appropriate

behavior if you were told, sir, we almost got everybody health care. And now there's two senators standing in the way or a court would, I would understand going, damn it, we're trying to get people health care here. I'm furious. What can we do? Who can I call? That I would understand. You can't put your name on a building, a building that, by the way, is a memorial to someone else that you have nothing to do with. Being angry about that, if Trump was 5% as angry about his policy failures and failure to help the American people as he is about his name, not going, or about the U.S. Postal Service not being able to take over the election the way he wants, we would be far better off. But we're not. We have a president who's spending 70, maybe 80,

maybe 90% of his time on this sort of trivia and minutia. And that's why the situation is what it is. That's why Trump's promises have failed. This is why even Republicans are distancing themselves from Trump. And this is why Republicans are at least potentially and hopefully heading towards brutal, brutal, potentially historic losses just six and a half weeks from now in the midterms. If we make it happen. This guy's sick, completely and totally sick. Do you realize when you're being lied to? Like as an individual, do you consider yourself as I pull up a video of Cash Patel? You probably know where this is. is going, do you consider yourself the type of person who has an instinct for when people are lying

to you? Cash Patel has made one of those statements to Sean Hannity. That sounds, I guess, impressive after you think about it, if you don't think about it. But after thinking about it a few seconds, you probably start to question it. What Cash Patel argued when Hannity was questioning him about criticism of his travel and time off and private jets and all of his different stuff, He said, listen, since I became FBI director, I only took four days off. That is it. Take a listen. They prefer to they prefer to go back to what, a higher murder rate, more rapes, more violent

crimes, more robberies, because that's what we had before. And that's it, Sean. The mission is showing up. My predecessors, Ray and Comey, averaged 33 days off a year. Do you know how many days off I took this year? Four. Four days off. I'm in the field.

I'm visiting our field offices. I'm engaging with our local partners. I made 100 phone calls to our international partners in 18 months, returned a record extradition and foreign transfer of custody fugitives to America, 235. That's a 60% increase across the board. You know why, Sean? I picked up. He works all the time.

He's only taken four days off. Do you believe that? What do you think? You know, I don't have his employment records. I don't know what he means by four days off. But this is all about the definition. Think about the circumstances in which Cash Patel is doing a lot of the stuff he's being criticized for. First, we start with weekends. All right. If Saturday and Sunday aren't counted as vacation days,

fine. I mean, listen, there are people who would go, this is the FBI director. This is a 24-7, 365 job. But if he's not counting Saturdays and Sundays as days off, well, that's two days off a week to start with. What about holidays? Well, he's reportedly taking holidays off as well. And, And, you know, it's up to us to decide should the FBI director get holidays off. I don't know. But he's certainly not counting weekends and holidays as days off. But then you get into the really fuzzy stuff. If Cash Patel spends most of a day traveling somewhere on a government jet, but he takes a meeting

before he leaves, that's a work day as far as he's concerned. But in practical terms, that's really a day off. It's really a day you spent traveling to wherever you were meeting your girlfriend or whatever. Suppose that he takes a government jet paid for by our taxpayer dollars to a concert with his girlfriend or to a sporting event or to the Olympics or whatever. But he had an FBI briefing on the plane. That's a workday as far as Cash Patel is concerned. Any day that contains any official business, which is most days if you're the FBI director, that is a workday. I mean, listen, this isn't about me, but when have I had what we would consider?

consider a true day off. By Cash Patel's definition, I don't know that I've had a day off since I started the show 20 years ago. So this whole I only took four days off thing sounds a lot more dramatic when you don't understand what he defines as a day off. And so he wants to argue that he's the hardest working FBI director because if you look at his time off requests that he made at the FBI, he's only actually taken. what he calls four days off. But the question is, how is he spending his time? How much of his travel

is official? How much of it is personal? How much are we taxpayers paying for it? How much FBI work is taking place on his supposed working days? And he was questioned that the hearing that was earlier in the day from this appearance with Hannity about travel where exactly what I'm saying was going on. Well, there was some limited official responsibility, but it was basically a personal activity. And he comes back and he goes, I've only taken four days off. He's able to give you, this is how they lie. He gives you a really precise number without defining it. He doesn't tell us what does it mean that it's a day off. And people do this all the time. We get statistics all the time from elected officials that sound really conclusive, like devastatingly conclusive. But most people are going to fill

in the meaning. If he says he only took off four days, your brain translates that into 361 days of the last year. He worked. That is not what the statistic establishes. And there's also another kind of bizarre moment. By the way, this is just like a little add on. I have to mention it. Cash Patel has now started, this is not the main point of this segment. Cash has started referring to himself in the third person, which I always find so strange. As force officers to records never seen. And most importantly, we remove the institutionalization that these Democrats were barking about for years. And President Trump and director Cash Patel and his team have delivered what they never could. And the fact that we delivered it. Cash Patel is one of the.

the greatest FBI directors that there's been. This is what they're saying. Oh, so Cash Patel is saying. Cash Patel is the greatest FBI director. The third person stuff I find really odd. Cash Patel, working hard or hardly working. I don't know. We are going to take a very quick break. Your emails, your comments coming up after this. The book is out Tuesday. Order it today. You'll have it in days. David Pakman.com slash attention. There are about 60 or 70 signed books remaining. I signed 300 yesterday. They're almost all gone.

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I got from H.J.A. You know what I find so funny about this. You've identified that this is an opinion show. Great. It's not really a criticism. There's this funny thing. There are like three overlapping layers of confusion from the, Magapitanians about this show. There are the people who can't tell that this is an opinion show.

And they go, David, you're biased. They go, you're biased, not biased. You go, David, you're bias because you're giving your opinion. Like, well, it's an opinion show. Yeah. And one of the issues with media literacy is people who increasingly can't tell the difference. Am I watching a news report or am I watching a piece of opinion? This is an opinion show. That's true. So some of the messages that come in, And people go, this, you're, you're expressing bias. Yes, the show is biased in the sense that it represents my opinion. Two, there's this other layer of people who go, oh, you're only giving opinions. And I don't really care about your opinions.

Okay. Well, so yes, that's true. You've correctly identified that this is an opinion show. But if you don't like opinion or you don't like my opinion, you're under zero obligation to watch this show. You could just watch something else that wouldn't be a big deal. It's fine. You won't offend me if you if you watch something else. And then of course, there are those who are simply angry because I have the wrong opinion.

And that is a large people of a large percentage of the MAGA people that watch this show. And you know, maybe you like hearing ideas that you disagree with in order to pressure test your own beliefs. Or maybe you don't. But you have correctly identified this is an opinion show and it will remain an opinion show. Oz Gizmo wrote in about my book and Zoss says, couldn't pay me anoof money to buy your book of lies. Sick to my stomach emoji. Vomiting emoji.

Cool, man. Don't buy it. Nobody's, nobody's twisting your arm. One of the things that I, you know, I talk about my forthcoming book, which is now just like three days away. get the book if you're interested in the book. I'm not trying to strongarm anybody. If you're some maga clown who hates everything I stand for and believe that Trump has fixed every problem and Republicans deserve to be reelected and maybe you maybe you don't read books anyway. A lot of people just don't read. You don't get the book, you know. My hope is that there's enough people who are

interested in the problems that digital platforms have created and want to understand how the left can better learn to use these platforms to take power back that they will buy my book. So as a reminder, just a few days left before the book is out. You're basically, it's not even like a pre-order at this point. It's basically just like order the book. You'll have it in three days. Go to Davidpackman. com slash attention. I also have a list of my upcoming book events in person events that you can come to. All right. Ray wrote in about fuel prices and says just finished spending an extra 20 $25 today to top up my truck with a half tank of gasoline could have used that money for pizza or groceries.

Thanks, Trump, for your useless war with Iran. There's a really interesting economic analysis here, which is that spending on gasoline is not nearly as economically stimulative as other forms of spending that people can do. Now, I know some people will go, oh, but you know, there's all these mom and pop gas stations. And so when you go in and get gas, they are making money. Right. But here's what you have to understand. For the most part, when the price of gas goes up or down, the local gas stations, aside

from whether they're owned by big corporations and a lot of them are, but let's imagine we're talking about just a franchise, your local mom and pop gas station. They usually are profiting roughly the same amount per gallon. If gas prices go up, it's not that the gas station is making a killing. It's that the cost of gas has gone up. And so the price of gas has gone up and whatever number of cents per gallon they make, they make. And I would even go further.

When gas gets more expensive, people often drive less, meaning they are buying fewer gallons. So actually, this whole idea of, well, we got to support the gas stations and they employ people as well. They're usually doing fewer gallons, meaning less profit when gas. prices go up. On the other hand, as Ray says, I could have gone and gotten a pizza. Now, assuming you're not going to, you know, Papaginos, I don't know if Papagino still exists, assuming you're not going to some big national chain, that is money when you spend it at the gas station instead of at a local restaurant that is far less economically stimulative than if you were to spend

it at the local restaurant. So it's a good sort of study in demand side economics at the end of the day. Todd wrote in and said, thank you for wearing a Lake Ontario shirt checking in from Canada. Yeah, some people noticed last week I had two new shirts from the David Pacman collection. One is just a very nice, simple, minimalist Lake Ontario shirt. And people have been buying a lot of that one from our store. And then I also had Trump stylized in the Obama Hope imagery, but it's Trump sleeping and it says siesta at the bottom. Both are, both are selling really well. And we might have some new elements to drop very, very soon. Keiani, Kian, Kian says eagerly waiting my personally signed copy. Yeah, I went in and signed a thousand copies of my book last week. And I think I've

already got 300 more. I need to go in and sign at some point very soon. Thank you to everyone who has been pre-ordering copies of the book. Signed or unsigned. I will accept a little, a little wrist pain to keep, to keep signing books. All right, Jeffrey Billinger wrote in on Instagrams and said members of the cult who voted for Trump aren't leaving. I have a sister I no longer speak to who is deep in the cult. The economy is affecting her in a big way. Despite that, she will never stop supporting the orange felon, it is imperative. We get out and vote and do our part to help others vote. Let's hope the orange felon doesn't completely rig the midterms. Yeah, what people have to understand is this is a really big country. And so in a country of 340 million people,

when I highlight that there are a bunch of three-time Trump voters who are saying, I'm done, Trump has failed to deliver on all these promises, I'm staying home or I'm voting for Democrats in November. That certainly represents tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people, but there's 340 million people in this country. Over 200 million, I think over 250 million, 240 million adults. Don't remember the number of adults. That means that there are also people like Jeff is describing, people who are in the cult, they voted for Trump three times. They still think he's doing a great job and they are going to go out there and vote for Republicans in November. That is why we have to go out and vote. When we hear, oh, Democrats leading the generic congressional ballot by 6.5 points and

they're going to take that, that doesn't matter. We got to go out and vote. When we hear now the Senate is 50-50, doesn't matter. We've got to go out and vote. And so there are likely hundreds of thousands of former Trump voters who are sick of this stuff and they're not voting for Republicans in November, but there are likely millions of Republicans who are still gladly in the cult. And they're going to go out and like the NPCs that they are cast their ballot for anyone with an R next to their name. That's who we're fighting. Jason wrote in on Spotify and said once Trump loses the midterms, I predict that all his Republican cronies are going to try to throw him under the bus and try to direct all the blame for what's happened in the past, what's happened the past two years on him. So that when Trump is

gone in 2028, they can pretend they weren't enabling and supporting him 100% of the time and launder their public image. Once Trump is gone. gone either in 2028 or before, we need to hold every single Republican accountable for what they did during his term. I would go further. We can hold them accountable right now. What I mean by that, I know some of you have heard me say this already. What, what I mean by that is that almost certainly the Republican that represents you, if you are represented by a Republican in the House or Senate is part of what has enabled Donald Trump and what has gotten Congress to rubber stamp just about everything that Donald Trump wants. It's that simple. And so we actually don't have to wait.

We can take advantage now of the fact that we have people who we can punish immediately this November for supporting and allowing and enabling Trump to do all of the insane stuff that he has been doing. Sobs wrote in on Spotify and says, hi, David, I really enjoy your show. Some other podcasts I listen to have clickbait titles or they are to center or they don't release as much content as you do. I appreciate your content and so I preordered the audio book on my phone. Thanks for everything you do. That's right.

My audio book is also available. I went through the painstaking process of voicing it. And, you know, when you voice it, you start reading and then an engineer will go, a, a, a, could you go back? I think that you had a little bit of a plosive, plosive on that last word. Could you repeat that? And so this is why the audio book takes something like four times as long as the finished product to record.

Quite a process. Audio book is available. Buddha says, I just checked and I was no longer subscribed. I never unsubscribed, make sure that you're double checking. Yes. I know that for years, YouTube has officially told us this doesn't happen. There is no such thing as people being unsubscribed. It just, unless they've done it, it doesn't happen.

And yet I've gotten thousands of messages over the years from people who go, listen. I know that sometimes there's user error, but I didn't unsubscribe. And I got unsubscribed from you and from other left wing channels. I'm not asserting a conspiracy. I am simply saying whatever technical circumstances are at play have led to thousands of people going, I know I was subscribed and I've been unsubscribed. So all we can do is just double check. Wherever the button is there, here, everywhere, make sure you are subscribed on whatever

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