The Debaters - Are staycations the best? And is it okay for one partner to be more successful?

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

This week’s episode brings it home when we discuss if a staycation is the best type of vacation, and whether it’s okay for one partner to have the secret to success.Featuring: Patrick Ledwell, John Sheehan, Chris Wilson, and Stacey McGunnigle.

We're all looking for great places to visit in Canada. One of my favorites is the Stratford Festival. The theatre is truly of the highest caliber and there's so much selection. They have 11 large-scale shows on stage and trust me, whatever is on manure there will be exceptional. People always think Shakespeare when they think of Stratford, but it's so much more. Broadway musicals, family shows, classic comedy and drama. Whether it's Robert LaPage's Macbeth or Donna Fiora's Annie, you will be blown away. It's the perfect Canadian getaway. To quote William Shatner, who got his start

in Stratford, every Canadian should make the pilgrimage to Stratford. Start your next adventure at StratfordFestival.ca. This is a CBC Podcast. Hey, debaters, listeners. This is Nicole Callender, one of the producers on the show. We're on a summer break right now, so you're about to listen to a debate we aired earlier this season. And speaking of summer break, this episode is pretty appropriate as we ask if staycations really are the best type of vacation. We'll be back in September with brand new episodes and to kickstart our 20th season. Thanks for listening.

its season. Thanks for listening. The debaters where comedians fight with facts and funny, and this audience picks the winner. Now here's a man we think is labradorable, Steve Patterson. Hey, thanks, Graham. Hello, Canada, and welcome back to The Debaters. We're here in beautiful Newfoundland and Labrador, a place with lots of great tourist attractions. One such attraction is in Port-au-Choix, called Ben Plowman's Museum of Whales and Things.

I get the whales part, that's self-explanatory. It's the and things that piques my interest. What things? It's kind of like Bed Bath and Beyond, you know? Where's the Beyond? I know, it's Beyond Canada now, but still... Where exactly? Maybe the Beyond is where Ben found the things. For his museum.

Anyway, you should definitely check out Whales and Things in Port-au-Choix. Where I imagine the welcome sign says Port-au-Choix. Population quite a few people and things. Now it's time to meet two debaters who are here for a whale of a time. This comic did door to door sales with his arms full of products Now it's time to meet two debaters who are here for a whale of a time. This comic did door-to-door sales with his arms full of products, which is why his face

might ring a bell. It's Patrick Ledwell. He is Patrick Ledwell. There he is, scurrying confidently, taking the podium to my right. And this comic thought his tree really looked sick when its bark was worse than its blight. It's Newfoundland's John Sheehan. Come on out here, John.

Oh, listen to the crowd. For the hometown kid. Come back. John Sheehan. Your topic is one that we hope will help you rest and relax. Staycations. Are they the best vacations? Most of us have the luxury of choosing to either take a vacation or a staycation. But you know who doesn't? Astronauts on the International Space Station. That's right. They only get staycations, which is ironic because they are

literally traveling around the world. Plus they're stuck with the all-you-can- eat freeze-dried space food buffet, though at least you'll never know if you've eaten too much because you're weightless. And there's never any entertainment, except when one of the astronauts pulls out a guitar and the others contemplate throwing that astronaut out into the nebula. Now, for a debate that we think is out of this world. So, whereas it offers familiar surroundings,

more affordability, and less travel time, be it resolved, a staycation is the best type of vacation. Patrick, you're arguing for this, please. You have two minutes. Starting now, Patrick Ledwell. I'm from Prince Edward Island. I know you don't want to hear from me. Laughter Disappointing little island brother from another mother.

Laughter But sometimes the most disappointing sibling is the one who tells the truth. Laughter My pointing sibling is the one who tells the truth. Like yourselves, I live in a touristic island paradise where for two magical weeks of the year... ...the weather takes a brief pause from trying to wipe people off the face of the place. Why would I vacation elsewhere in that precious time and miss everything?

If you're a true Newfoundlander, why would you ever leave? Have you even watched your own tourism commercials? Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Gotten high on your own supply? Ha ha ha ha.

Handsome, metrosexual couple floating in a dory with a massive iceberg drifting within arms reach. Other side of the boat, at least three humpback whales breach the water. At all times. Why would you ever leave? For starters, it's too dangerous to leave. In a dory with all those icebergs and humpbacks.

You're gonna hit something in sync, you tiny idiot Titanic with oars. You tiny idiot Titanic with oars. Laughter Stay in Newfoundland, where your food is so safe. Laughter There are a few other cuisines based entirely on never having access to a fridge. Laughter Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Where the food brings you more safety salt and licking the trans candidate on an icy morning. Yes, I'm an outsider, but I say to Newfoundlanders, flip your traditional script.

You should stay where you're too and let the rest of the world come where you're at! Thank you, Newfoundland! Patrick Ledwell, ladies and gentlemen. Whoo! Very, very strong on the concept of the staycation here in Newfoundland. God, I don't want to leave here now. Patrick Ledwell, everybody. He's in the lead.

But now, here to tell us why vacations are far and away superior to staycations for him, it's Newfoundland's John Sheehan. Staycation. Staycation. A lovely play on words by someone who was either too cheap or couldn't afford to go somewhere warm. I don't know why people choose these staycations over, you know, real ones. But I know why they're a bad idea. You take the tourism industry, just to start. Tourists.

Those lovely, innocent travelers that we take under our wings and milk them for every cent we can while... All the while turning yes-boy and what do you add up to 11? LAUGHTER APPLAUSE Our economy can't rely on staycationers to buy the kind of things we sell tourists. LAUGHTER The rest of Canada, you know, they can sit there

secure in their mental superiority over the Newfies, but it's not us going home all over the world with cans of genuine Newfoundland fog. That one kills me. The fog kills me. Now, it's not only Newfoundland tourism that would suffer from staycations. Don't get me wrong. PEI. What are they going to do with their tourists? How many coffees of Bud to Spud will they sell? Take a quick look at families. Oh, it's a beautiful Christmas morning.

Magical. All year, you've been hinting at the kids that are going to go somewhere fun this year. All their friends have already been to Disney World this year. So they're pumped. That's it. That has to be it. They're going to Disney World. Now try to get them excited about something

with 13 holes of mini golf and a closed water slide. Stop the madness. If you're going to stay home, stay home out of it. We don't need a new word for everything. Thank you. John Sheehan says, say no to staycations. All right, debaters, it's time now for the bare-knuckle round. We're debating if a staycation is the best vacation.

So here are the house rules. Avoid day tripping over your own words while punching residents into your opponent's argument. Cheap shots won't get you a pad on the back, but good jokes, discounts. So I'll let you two bring this one home, starting now. Oh, Patrick. I'm a fan, man, you're a funny guy, I'm a fan. I just think it's adorable. That you're gonna compare the wind in PEI with Newfoundland.

Spend a weekend in a wreck house, it'll blow the Green Gables removed at the age of 14. Um... LAUGHTER I don't know, I don't know. Home, home is safe and sure. The weather here comes at you on an icy slant for nine months, but you deal with it. You're resilient. You go up to George Street, it's such a safe place in the wintertime. Um...

Um... It is so safe up there. It is safe on George Street. Okay. Yeah, because with all the salt in your diet, if even a half dozen people pee in the street, the pavement is so bare. Uh... You look at that bare pavement,

you say, you're in Newfoundland. Ah, very safe. We have pavement, thank you very much, PEI. It's not fit to drive on, but we have it. We need tourists. I can't stress this enough. And we disappoint, I'm sure. We have tourists that are disappointed,

especially to people who leave the Dildo Museum thinking, you know, when they found out it was a boat building. I think that might be a good place to stop the Baron Hufflepuff. Whoo! We got... We got excellent points on either side,

and just in case you're out there across the country, Dildo is a town here in Newfoundland. We got excellent points on either side. And just in case you're out there across the country, Dildo is a town here in Newfoundland. It's time now for the firing line. In my hand, I have a list of questions on staycations being the best vacation, brought to you by the vacation that no pet wants to go on, the spaycation.

According to WorldwideWords.com, some people have attributed the invention of the phrase staycation to what Canadian institution? John? There we go. John on the bell. Yes. Mental health association. Incorrect.

I think the bell made you angry. Patrick? The word stacation was invented by the Toronto Maple Leafs and their second round playoff hopes. I'ma stay. I'ma stay here. It was actually, we gotta give a nice shout out to the television show Corner Gas. That's where a lot of people got staycations from. In 2022, the Ontario government gave residents what incentive to take staycations.

Patrick? Home-based beer delivery. Skip the dishes, the laundry, caring about your family. You guys laugh, I have to live there. John? CFL tickets. John? CFL tickets. Oh. The incentive that the Ontario government made to take staycations in 2022 was the temporary Ontario staycation tax credit,

which saved 20% on accommodations. Yeah, but they had to stay in Ontario. Yes. TV travel host Samantha Brown's suggestions for giving your house a hotel vibe include buying some fresh flowers, investing in a nice candle or two, and what else? Patrick.

Wearing the same robe a stranger just wore. Yes. Uh, if you want to make your house have a hotel vibe, you can buy fancier coffee than you normally would. A 2024 Super Bowl ad from vacation rental website Verbo was widely criticized by Newfoundlanders for featuring the song Eyes the Bye over visuals of vacationers horrified to find what? Patrick?

Severed codfish heads in their beds. I bring them home, Delizer. It was not that, but that's a good answer. Three points. I'd say they were horrified to find out that they would have to pay to kiss a fish. No. No, I have not seen this ad, but it was during the Super Bowl, so a few people did. They had Eyes the Bye for a Verbo ad playing over a rental that's been overrun by livestock.

And even Premier Andrew Fury demanded in a social media post that the company do better. Well, that'll scare him. Yeah. It's my favorite name of a Premier. It sounds like a Marvel character. Dr. Fury! Iced a bite that'll cut you in half!

And that is the firing line, everybody. Just about that magical time here at the Holy Heart Theatre where the audience votes. But first, here again to tell everyone that he considers a staycation to be nothing short of a last resort. Let's hear again from John Sheehan. Let's look at packing for a staycation and a vacation. You packed to go down south for a week. What do you need? Six t-shirts, six pairs of shorts, pair of sandals, pair

of sunglasses, and you're gonna wear the sandals to and from the airport. So what odds? Packed for a staycation, you need six t-shirts, six long t-shirts, six pairs of pants, six jeans, a light jacket, a fall jacket, a rain jacket, a light sweater, a hoodie, a jacket to wear out by the fire, boots, sneakers, and if you forget the sunglasses, what odds? LAUGHTER CHEERING APPLAUSE

2020, I had a stroke. I still have high blood pressure. If you can tell me where to go in Newfoundland to eat something that's not deep fried, I'm all ears. LAUGHTER Do you really want to be somewhere where people can still get a hold of you easily? No!

Get out! Stop it! Go see a world with at least a glimpse of no rain, drizzle and fog. Besides, we already have staycations. They're called weekends. LAUGHTER Thank you. John Sheehan, very matter of fact, he does not like the concept of the staycation,

and we just got a full inventory of his house. Thanks, John. Now, here to tell us why, when it comes to celebrating staycations, this homeboy is always into house. His word's not mine. It's Patrick Ledwell! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Do I contradict my own argument by even coming here? LAUGHTER Very well. Don't guilt me. Recovering Catholic. I got that on my own. Listen, I'm sacrificing myself to come amongst you. To bring you the truth so you can be saved. Sound familiar? Saved!

Two weeks of your life, mainly spent in the infernal pit called Toronto Pearson. When you're from the East Coast like us, every single Air Canada flight would prefer to rout and de-louse you in Toronto first. PUNISHED for your life choices. At the smallest possible gate, waiting on multiple delays of the smallest possible plane. Dehydrated on packaged crackers.

Cressing a metal armrest into the temple of your own head. At several points, you may ask yourself, am I dead? Holy hurt, be saved this purgatory. Save the blazes, home. Thank you, Newfoundland. Dr. Gladwell, he makes the great points. John Sheehan does too. Let's see what the audience has decided. By applause, who agreed with John that where staycations are concerned,

you can never really go home. John Sheehan. All right. A lot of love for John. And who could have listened to Patrick tell some hard home truths All right. A lot of love for John. And who could have listened to Patrick tell some hard home truths about staycations until even the cows came home? Patrick Ledwell. Whoo!

That's it. They have spoken. The winner on behalf of staycations is Patrick Ledwell. Big hand for Patrick Ledwell. And John Tian, everybody! You're listening to CBC Radio's The Debaters. Want access to bonus content and information on upcoming tour dates? Then be sure to follow us on Instagram at atcbcdebaters. We're all looking for great places to visit in Canada. One of my favorites is the Stratford Festival. Instagram at at CBC debaters. But it's so much more. Broadway musicals, family shows, classic comedy and drama. Whether it's Robert LaPage's Macbeth or Donna Fiora's Annie, you will be blown away.

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It's This Hour Has 22 Minutes, Chris Wilson! CHEERING Chris Wilson! CHEERING One of the stars of This Hour Has 22 Minutes. Hello, Steve. Hi, friend. And this comic posts photos of tree fungus on social media

that get thousands of likens. It's also 22 minutes, Stacy McGonigal! Stacy McGonigal and Chris Wilton. Your topic is one that I think might have been handpicked for you, and it's one that I hope succeeds. Is it okay for a couple if one partner is more successful than the other? Now, Chris, Stacey, you're both stars of this hour, has 22 minutes, and if I'm not mistaken,

if I have this right, you're currently together in a successful relationship, is that right? Define successful. And define relationship. OK. OK. This is comedy, not counseling. So I'm going to move on.

For the purpose of research, we were supplied with copies of your tax returns. And let's just say I hope one of you is buying the other a nice jigs dinner after the show. Now it's time for a debate that we think will really come together. So, whereas it encourages couples to support each other, leave egos at the door, and embrace differences, be it resolved, it's okay for one partner to have more success than the other. Chris, you are arguing for this please. You have two minutes. Starting now. Chris Wilson. It is better when one person in a relationship

is more successful. I would, of course, know. Whenever a fan comes up asking for a photo, it's so great to have Stacy by my side to hold the camera. Now while searching the internet for opinions to use as my own, I found a quote. The quote went as follows, a healthy relationship is built on an equal partnership. Anonymous. Ha!

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Maybe if they'd spent less time preaching relationship equality, we'd know who the hell they are. Ha!

Ha! Ha! Ha! One person being more successful isn't bad. Look at Leonardo DiCaprio. He's able to put all those girls through school. Yeah. There have been incredible couples

where one was more successful than the other. Napoleon and what's her name? Johnny Cash and of course, Michelle Obama and I've forgotten. These are relationships that shaped our world. The Beatles, unequal. Yet, they were the greatest band of all time. I mean, Ringo isn't even the most successful Beatle if we define success as being alive.

But, Ringo tried to level the playing field, didn't he? And now we have to put up with Octopus's garden. If Scottie Pippen was equal to Michael Jordan, then the world would have two amazing gambling addicts. We don't need it. It is proven in our great texts. William Shakespeare made Romeo and Juliet equal in wealth. And that resulted in double homicide.

Interesting. Adam and Eve. God cooked up Adam and then made Eve out of his rib, like a chef making soup stock for later. They were unequal the way God intended. But yes, yes, now let's all watch Stacy McGunnigle argue with God. Woo!

Chris Wilson coming out swinging. Now here to tell us why one partner achieving more success than the other is an epic failure as far as she's concerned. Let's hear from Stacey McGonigal. Thank you. Thank you, Chris, for that wonderful argument. I especially like the jokes I helped you write. Thank you.

Thank you so much. One partner cannot be more successful in the relationship. It's imbalanced and uncomfortable. A lot like seeing me around Chris Wilson when I'm wearing heels. No. Oh. Ha ha ha ha.

Inequality in a relationship is embarrassing. Just look at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. She's a billionaire, and he has a podcast? Relationships need to be balanced. And if you don't believe me, I have one word for you. Stedman. Stedman and Oprah are the most imbalanced and it's weird. Oprah doesn't even let him hold her purse.

That's Gail's job. Stedman lists his credits as an author, businessman, and longtime partner of Oprah. He listed that as his number three, but we all know it's his number one. We listed that as his number three, but we all know it's his number one. Supporting Chris's argument is supporting a man who is constantly asking me, his successful TV girlfriend,

to film his little skits for TikTok. Do you know how hard it is, as a successful TV woman, to have a 39-year-old man ask you to help him go viral? Holding his greasy iPhone, watching him laugh at his own jokes, having to reassure him that he doesn't look bald from the back. I deserve better. We all deserve better. So say no to unequal partnerships and the improv shows they make you go see. Thank you.

Woo! J.C. McGonigal with a very strong opening argument. It is time now for the Bare Knuckle Round. We're debating if it's okay for one partner to be more successful than the other. So it's time to advance your position with a series of successive and out-wages points. It's time for both of you to earn

your government-mand mandated equal pay. Starting now. For the record, my hair is thick and full. You can all see it. It's fine. For now. For now. The light is front-facing. Oh God. I hope it appears thick and full. But I would like now to return to Leonardo DiCaprio.

Rose, let Jack drown. Because she knew relationships shouldn't be equal. She let him sink to the bottom. No, she had to let him sink to the bottom. No, she had to let him sink to the bottom. What was Rose gonna do? Support a part-time cartoonist for the rest of her life? She said, draw me like one of your French girls,

and he didn't even finish the damn painting. One person being more successful in a relationship is embarrassing. I know. 22 minutes felt so bad for my boyfriend, they had to offer him a job. And you would be shocked how much they have to lower that camera just to find him. As of December 2022, the average male height in Canada is 5'9". That's it. That's it.

That's it. 175.26 cm. That's the bear knock around. That is the bear knock around. All right, debaters, it's time now for the firing line. In my hand, I have a list of questions on having a more successful partner brought to you by Batman sidekick Robin. What's a guy have to do to be number one in a partnership?

It makes a boy wonder. Laughter According to therapist Becky Whetstone, a more successful partner can support their less successful partner can support their less successful partner by never doing what? Chris? I'm going to answer just with a real answer.

Never talk down to them. That's my answer. And do you have a little when you're always looking up. My answer is never make them your emergency contact. Because what are they going to do? Get their mom to give them a ride to the hospital? Oh, they didn't like that one. That's okay. A more successful partner can support their less successful partner

by never using their power against their partner. Like saying things like, who do you think bought this nice house we're living in, eh? Oh, that sucks, because I love doing math, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A University of Chicago study found that husbands

are more likely to do what when their wives make more money than they do. Stacey? Go bald. Ooh. Ooh. Stacey? Go bald. You want a silent man out there?

Go to Turkey for a hair transplant? Those are both the same answers, but from different sides. Apparently, according to a University of Chicago study, husbands, when their wives make more money than they do, are more likely to cheat on them. Yes, I've heard that. How can they cheat when they don't have hair? What 1980s film carried the tagline,

when mom goes to work, dad goes berserk? Stacy? I'm sorry, Steve, I'm too young to answer that question. Okay. Chris? Yes, same answer from me. I'm dating a very young woman like a successful man would. I'll allow that one. The 1980s film that carried the tagline when mom goes to work, dad goes berserk, was Mr. Mom. I'll allow that one. The 1980s film that carried the tagline,

when mom goes to work, dad goes berserk, was Mr. Mom. That's a firing line, everybody. That's a good place to stop it. They're debating whether it's okay to have one partner be more successful than the other with two real life partners, at least at the time of this taping. And it's almost time for our Holy Heart Theatre audience to pick a winner.

But first, here again to show us that she's on the level with relationships being level, let's hear again for Stacey McGonigal. Thank you. Chris Wilson is an idiot, and he farts and they smell. But I digress. Pfft.

Being the more successful person in the relationship is a burden. I would know. Do you know how hard it is to find success on TV as a woman who's almost 40? It's near to impossible. I deserve an award from NASA, but do I get one? No. No, all I get is a boyfriend who practices close-up magic just for the hell of it.

It's tough. It's not an easy life I've chosen. Relationships need equality to survive, It's tough. It's not an easy life I've chosen. Relationships need equality to survive, and if they don't have it, you will end up like me leaving the theater tonight, heading to a pub, and having to spend the rest of the night listening to Chris Wilson ask, did I do good? Did people laugh? If you don't want to live like that, then vote for me.

I love you all deeply. Good night and thank you. Daisy Magiago wants us all to be on an equal, loving playing field. Now, here to promote that old adage that all partners are equal, loving playing field. Now, here to promote that old adage that all partners are equal, but some partners are more equal than others, let's hear again from the, I'm gonna say perfectly average height, Chris Wilson. Thank you.

Thank you. Hmm. Rising tides lift all boats. This is an old saying that shows two things. We've always known successful people lift up those around them. And we've always known about rising tides and climate change.

Climate change is real people, it's real. Yes, that's right. I'm using my success to platform climate change. Yes, something my equal has not done even once. Interesting. To close, I present a paradox. The fact that you will vote for a winner in this debate makes it impossible for me to lose.

If Stacey wins and is more successful, then you have all agreed with me. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Chris Wilson. Chris Wilson. Oh, he is trying to lose his way into winning. This is very interesting. Audience, by applause, who agreed with Chris that behind every successful partner, there's kind of a loser, Chris Wilson? And who agreed with Stacey that all's fair and equal love and equal work? Stacey McGonigal! That response does not equal the winner of Stacey McGonigal!

Big hand for Stacey McGonigal and Chris Wilson everybody! Well that's all for this week. I'm Steve Patterson saying to all those of you in perfectly equal romantic relationships, congratulations on telling yourselves that. I'll argue with you again soon, Canada. Good night! The Debaters is created by Richard Side.

This week's episode was produced by Nicole Callender, Chloe Edbrooke, Dean Jenkinson, and Graham Clark. Continuity by Graham Clark, Diana Francis, and Gary Jones. Technical production by James Perella and Mark Strong. Story editing by Gary Jones. Special thanks to Katie Ellen Humphries, Emily Ferrier, and David Pride. Executive producer of CBC Radio Comedy is Lee Pitts. And thanks to everyone at the Holy Heart Theatre in St. John's.