The Debaters - Do billionaires have it harder than millionaires? And is there always something happening in Barrie, Ontario?

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Which wealth bracket has it worse: Billionaires or millionaires? And we decide if Barrie, Ontario is the place to be!Featuring: Dave Hemstad, Don Kelly, Chris Quigley, Courtney Gilmour.

When they predict we'll fall, we rise to the challenge. When they say we're not a country, we stand on guard. This land taught us to be brave and caring, to protect our values, to leave no one behind. Canada is on the line, and it's time to vote as though our country depends on it, because like never before, it does. I'm Jonathan Pedneau, co-leader of the Green Party of Canada.

This election, each vote makes a difference. Authorized by the Registeredleader of the Green Party of Canada. This election, each vote, makes a difference. Authorized by the registered agent of the Green Party of Canada. This is a CBC Podcast. Hey Canada, we're ready for a very good time. From Barrie, Ontario, it's the Debater! The Debater is where comedians fight with facts and funny, and this audience picks the winner. Now here's a man whose comedy knows no barriers, Steve Patterson! Hey! Thanks, Graham! Hello, Canada!

And welcome back to The Debaters! It is great to be here for the first time in Barrie, Ontario! Barrie-Arie-o, I call it! A town of many legends. One such legend is a creature known as Kempenfelt Kelly. It is said that it lives in Lake Simcoe and is sort of like Scotland's Loch Ness Monster. It was given the name by a man named Arch Brown who saw it in 1967. Although to be fair, there were quite a few hallucinogens floating around in the 60s. Campenfelt, if you do exist, you're a lucky monster

to be so close to a town like Barry, am I right? Yeah! Time to meet two debaters who are truly mythical. This comic once appeared in a movie about the first moon landing in a walk-on part. It's Ottawa's Don Kelly! Come on out, Don! There he is! We love Don.

Hey, Steve. Welcome back. Great to be here. Happy to be here in Bury. And this comic once spent over five hours sitting on a greyhound until it finally bit him. It's Toronto's Dave Hempstead! Dave Hempstead! There he is, making his way to my right, riled up, and ready to go. Your topic debaters is one that we think is pure

gold. Billionaires? Do they have it worse than millionaires? When I was a kid, there weren't many millionaires around. The only one that I even knew of was Thurston Howell III on Gilligan's Island. And if that show were made today, Thurston Howell IV would be a billionaire on a resort island that he owned. Now sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a guy who's rich. No matter how much power he gets, he's a shallow son of a... Well you get it, you get the idea. The important thing to remember is that we should try to keep all the world's worst people on an isolated island. Now for a debate that we hope won't be

a three hour tour on them. So, whereas their extreme wealth and status leads to isolation, unbearable scrutiny, and finding themselves at the center of culture wars, be it resolved that billionaires have it harder than millionaires. Dave, you're arguing for this, please. Lucky fella, you have two minutes.

Starting now, Dave Hempstead. ["The Big Bang"] Thank you. Gee, I wonder, which is harder? Is it harder to be a movie star or an extra? ["The Big Bang"] There are millions of millionaires. There are million of millionaires.

There are millionaires in this room. We don't know who they are, and we don't care. If there was a billionaire in this room, we would know, because there would be pointing and murmuring. Being pointed at while people are murmuring is hard, Steve. Did you ever get naked on the wrong beach? Pointing and murmuring. Of course it's harder to be a billionaire.

You can't even tell people how much you love them without them thinking it's a Nazi salute. ["Oh, oh, oh!" laughter and applause continues to play in the background.] Billionaires can't enjoy simple pleasures, like finding a good parking spot or getting a raise. How much money would you have to find in a jacket pocket for your pulse to quicken? ["Ha! Ha! Ha!" laughter continues to play in a jacket pocket for your pulse to quicken? Ha! Ha, ha!

What the... No way! Hon! I found that stack of bearer bonds! Ha! Ha, ha, ha! Billionaires have to know the current value of bullion. Millionaires think that means soup cubes.

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and live another 984 years. That sounds hard, Steve. Thank you. Dave Hampstead. Dave Hampstead, saying, billionaires have it harder than millionaires. Now, here to say billionaires have it harder than millionaires? Oh, that's rich. Let's hear from Don Kelly.

At last, a topic we can all relate to. Of course, I'm kidding. In fact, Dave and I both work in a nonprofit sector, Canadian comedy. Uh... But of course, it's easier to be a billionaire than a millionaire. I mean, billionaires have a rarefied air, right?

They're either born into wealth and luxury, or they're super smart, and they created something that transformed the world. A millionaire is some guy who got lucky on a scratcher ticket. audience laughter Millionaires get no respect. That's why it's harder. They can even be, and I don't want to creep anyone out,

dentists. audience laughter Oof. Whereas billionaires have rare powers. They're the only humans who get more attractive to beautiful young people the older they get. Ooh, you're 92? I can wait that out. Ha. Ha ha ha. And billionaires face isolation and unbearable scrutiny.

So what? So does every married guy. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. That was his wife applauding. That's nice. Ha ha ha. And billionaires never feel insecure, right?

And neither do millionaires until they meet billionaires, like at the high society Charity Balls. And by the way, Charity Balls is my favorite contestant on Canada's Drag Race. The millionaire gets there and he took a chartered helicopter. He's all proud and the billionaire's like, oh, you chartered one. I own a helicopter. It's parked on my super yacht at my private island.

Suddenly the millionaire has imposter syndrome. Yes, imposter syndrome, the humble brag of social anxieties. That deserved way better than that, Barry, but that's fine. You can't humiliate a billionaire. Well, unless they get sick and need American healthcare, then they become millionaires. Being a billionaire is clearly easier than being a millionaire. Dave, I will give you 999 million reasons why. Thank you.

All right. Don Kelly. We got ourselves a debate. Time now for the bare-knuckle round. They love it. Oh, Barry, I love you. We're debating whether billionaires have it harder than millionaires, so to Bitcoin a phrase,

learn to greed the room. Then use the top 1% of your jokes to sucker-punch your opponent and hand them their asset in this Musk win situation. Remember, this is a war and buffet your opponent repeatedly. Time to tell them, cash me if you can, starting now. All right, team. What a pun-loving crowd. Dave, of course you're taking the side of millionaires.

It's been easier. You're from Toronto. You live indoors. You are clearly a millionaire. Yeah, and it's a lot easier than being a billionaire. Even the kids of billionaires have it hard. A millionaire's kid gets whatever they want. A billionaire's kid, their name is X-12. It's easier being a billionaire, Dave. That's my point.

I was just saying, like, millionaires, like, they got to deal with disrespect and, like, you know, regular people. There would be no billionaire here to point and murmur at. Their feet do not touch concrete. They'll be in their secret volcano hideaway. They'll be in their mansion or their space lab. Which is harder.

Listen. Anyone here ever dress up as Batman? Right? Anyone here ever dress up as Bruce Wayne? Exactly. That guy gets no sleep. Who wants to be him? It's easier to be a vigilante who gets the crap kicked out of him every night than to imagine being chastised by your butler all morning.

But look at Iron Man. He's a billionaire. He gets all those cool gadgets. He gets a cool outfit. And you know he's a billionaire, because he's got a fake heart. so it's going to be on point. Which again, is harder. Do you care about other people? Of course, it's hard not to. Friends, family, those in need, billionaires can't. Billionaires could solve all the problems in the world,

and every day they have to talk themselves out of doing that. That's probably a good place to stop it. It's time now for the firing line. In my hand, I have a list of questions on millionaires versus billionaires brought to you by 1973's The Six Million Dollar Man, or as he'd be known in 2025, the $42,649,324 Dollar Man. Here are your questions. We did math, and you guys are like, man. Here are your questions.

We did math and you guys are like, nope. According to visualcapitalist.com, the United States leads the world with the most millionaires, most billionaires, and what third category? Dave? Obesity. Yeah. Yeah, two and a half. Don Kelly?

The US? Hill billionaires. I like that. I like when new words are created. Two points. This is something I'm learning for the first time. The third category, the US leads the world in the category of centa millionaires,

which is people with over $100 million. Yeah, now I dislike them even more. Clay Cockrell, a therapist to the super rich, says billionaires often suffer from trust issues, shame, fear, as well as from a lack of what? Dave? Tax contributions.

Tax. Good point. Yes. Just a true fact right there. They have a lack of a sense of purpose. Clay cockerel sounds like a made-up name in a made-up job. That's what that sounds like. According to Yahoo Finance, Arnold Schwarzenegger made his first million dollars not through acting or bodybuilding, but in what field? Dave? Pottery. Really? Yeah. Yeah, he's a regular Clay Cockrell. Pfft!

I like the callback. Yeah, two points. We're back on track. Excellent callback, David. Don Kelly? Teaching English as a very second language. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will give a point for that.

Actually, and anybody know? Real estate. It was in real estate. That's how he made his first million. We also would have accepted yodeling, yodeling. According to a 2024 McLean's article, Canada's top three richest people amassed their fortunes in media and information, cryptocurrency, and what other field? Uh, Dawn.

Real estate, aka First Nations lands and resources. That was the most Canadian reaction ever. Yeah. Oh! I love you guys. Shaking their heads while clapping their heads. Still good for three points. David?

You can make a lot of money, it turns out, betting that the Leafs lose. I'm a Leafs fan. He is a Leafs fan. That hurt him more than it's hurting you, trust me. Okay, the Canada's top three richest people amassed their fortunes in media and information, cryptocurrency and groceries and real estate.

Galen Weston Jr. valued at $18 billion. Burn the witch! That's the firing line everybody. Just about that magical time when our Georgian theatre audience places their votes. But first, here again to cash in on the audience's mercy for millionaires, let's hear from Don Kelly. Sure, Dave, becoming a millionaire is easier, but billionaires have a much better life. It's easier. Millionaires are like billionaires you find in IKEA's As Is section. Look, I could have been a millionaire. I once got an email from a Nigerian prince who needed help stashing 10 million.

And maybe a scam, but I just love the fact that there's got to be one Nigerian prince out there who really does need help stashing his money, right? Why is no one taking my millions? But bottom line, millionaires get a nice house. Billionaires get the White House. The leader of the United States is a billionaire. And so is the president. Thank you, Barry. Don Kelly. He did it. He did it, everybody. Don Kelly! He did it! He did it, everybody.

He's here for the millionaires. Now, here to explain to us how dollar for dollar, billionaires find life more taxing than millionaires. Let's hear again from Dave Hempstead. Some excellent points you made, Don, but let's talk about guilt. The amount of guilt that billionaires have to not feel is astronomical. Do you know how much it costs you to sell your soul? Of course you don't, unless you've played the fiddle or you've been down to Georgia. -"Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha from working just so he could make more money. My God, that's got to be hard. That can't be easy. And he can't hide that he doesn't care,

because if you've seen his commercials, then you know he can't act. He mentions how hard it is in his new President's Choice biography, Memories of My Deal with the Devil. In closing, there are millions of reasons why it's harder to be a billionaire. Thank you. All right.

We did it. Well said, Dave Hempstead. In an interesting debate, sort of on behalf of billionaires. Now, by applause, how many of you green-backed Don's militant musings on the misfortune of billionaires? Don Kelly! And who agreed with Dave when it comes to billionaires having it harder than millionaires? The Zuck stops here, Dave Hempstead. He's done it. He's defended the humble billionaire. The winner is Dave Hempstead, everybody. Big hand for Dave Hempstead and Don Kelly.

Hey, Debaters fans. Want to be a part of the debating action? Then come to a live taping. For details on upcoming tour dates, visit our website at cbc.ca. When they predict we'll fall, we rise to the challenge. When they say we're not a country, we stand on guard. This land taught us to be brave and caring, to protect our values, to leave no one behind. Canada is on the line, and it's time to vote as though our country depends on it, because like never before, it does. I'm Jonathan Pedneau, co-leader of the Green Party of Canada. This election, each vote makes a difference.

Authorized by the Registered Agent of the Green Party of Canada. I've just been to Specsavers and upgraded my lenses to extra thin and light with 50% off. Now, what else can I upgrade? My cat? Wow! My scooter? Oh yeah! Get 50% off lens upgrades in the Specsavers Spring Sale.

Hey, I can upgrade my kids! You chill, Mom. I'll load the dishwasher. Awesome! Exclusions apply. See Specsavers.ca for details. Offer ends soon. I just have one question for you, Barry.

Are you ready to meet your next pair of debaters? Listen to that, Crowd Canada! This comedian filled a shopping cart with Joe Rogan quotes because he likes pushing conspiracies. It's Barry's own Chris Quigley! Come on out, Quig! Hello, my friend! Chris Quigley! And when this comic first heard Norwegian synth pop music, she considered it her aha moment. It's Toronto's Courtney Gilmore. Come on out, Courtney. There she is.

Courtney, taking the stage to my left. This topic is one that is perfect for at least one of you. And I hope it's not too close to home. Barry, is it true that there's always something exciting going on here? Because that's what this debate is about. There's always something exciting in Barry. We're going on, and you're here. So, pretty much asked and answered already, I guess,

but it has to be hard to compete with the nearby thriving metropolises of Thornton and Midhurst and Cremor. And don't even get me started on the Big Apple of Simcoe County, New Tecumseh. I mean, have you heard their tourism song? What a banger. Start spreading manure.

It's harvest today. You're at the very heart of it. New Tecumseh, New Tecumseh. Now for a debate that will turn this town upside down. So, whereas it has a diverse selection of bars and restaurants, offers a vibrant cultural scene, and is known for countless outdoor activities all year round, be it resolved, something is always happening in Barrie.

Chris, you are arguing for this, please, my friend. You have two minutes starting now. Chris Quigley. Thank you. Thank you, Steve. What to do in Barrie, that's a tough question for me, as I don't leave my place that often, you know. Not because I'm an introvert or socially awkward. It's just my rent's so high, I want to get every penny's worth.

And, uh... LAUGHTER But when I do go out, when I do go out, I like to visit the, uh visit one of the three magic mushroom shops that we have in Barrie. Because then the question isn't what is there to do in Barrie. The question is what isn't there to do in Barrie. From crossing the street to finding your way home

to even tying your shoelace can be a magical, mystical experience. Or you can go to and admire our 20 ton 70 foot spirit catcher. What other town has that? Toronto doesn't catch spirits. No. Toronto kills spirits. And maybe you're not a spiritual or a fungi enthusiast like myself, but we have lots of gyms too if you like to work out. If you don't want to work out inside, there's outdoor activities too. In the summertime, there's a lot of running trails, a lot of basketball, volleyball courts. In the wintertime, there's ice skating, skiing, snow shoveling. There's all kinds of other things too, like festivals, beaches,

restaurants, parks galore. Some so nice people set up tents and live there. And if that's not enough you can always come to CW Coops on Wednesday nights at 730 to come to the open mic comedy show that's hosted by none other than myself That's yes, that's 730 Wednesday night Shameless plug right there. Thank you, Barry Chris quickly everybody I Like that buddy. I like that you plugged your open mic night to the rest of Canada.

You gotta do it. You gotta do it when you can. So good start Chris. You're in the lead. Chris Quigley. Now, here to claim that this is a city where fun and excitement have been long dead and buried. Her words, not mine. Let's hear from Courtney Gilmore! (*Applause*) Ah, Barry. I love it here. I love the hockey dads.

I love the en route. (*Laughter*) I love that when I open my Uber Eats app and search for healthy, the first options to pop up are Denny's and Taco Bell. And I love that nothing ever happens here. The beauty of Barrie is knowing that it's not Toronto. Unlike residents of barely neighboring regions eager to say that they're from just outside Toronto

when they're really just inside the Durham water tower, when you meet someone from Barrie, they tell you they're from Barrie with a confidence that's impressive, alarming, confusing. Ha! Ha! Ha-ha-ha-ha! Barry knows what it is and what it isn't. Toronto's stuck in an endless loop

of building condos and transit. Barry? They keep it simple. They're just upgrading the roads for a faster, smoother exit. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! upgrading the roads for a faster, smoother exit. (*Laughter*) And that's what I love about this city. No one's pretending you need to stay. (*Laughter*)

(*Applause*) Are there technically things to do in Berry? Sure. But no, something is not always happening. I Googled Berry today, and the first headline that came up was this. Video of a mouse eating salmon in Berry grocery store goes viral. Okay? That's what's happening in Berry. There's no hustle, no fuss. in Barry Grocery Store goes viral. Okay? That's what's happening in Barry.

There's no hustle, no bustle, just a quiet night in, arguing on Facebook. And that's the way you like it. Thank you, Barry. All right. Interesting tactic, Courtney. I think we got ourselves a debate. It's a lot to think about on either side. Thank you, Courtney. I think we got ourselves a debate. It's a lot to think about on either side.

Thank you, Courtney. All right, debaters, time now for the bear-knuckle round. We're debating whether there's always something happening in Barry. So even if you're a little lake to the party, they're going to get worse. I don't know if you know this show. You can still Georgian maul your opponent by throwing a saddle on and saying it's my way or the 400 highway. So don't Simcoe County your chickens before they're hatched.

Now! Yeah, I don't know if you heard, there's three magic mushroom shops in this town. I did hear, I don't know if you remember. Chris you dropped so many recommendations in your debate. You sound like one of those weird local guide channels that plays on a fuzzy hotel TV at the Travelodge. You're like that guy who's, like, wearing a polo and telling you about the town's third-best mini golf course. That's my side hustle.

That's my side hustle. That's my side hustle. That's my side hustle. You know, there's a lot of positives in Barry. People can drive standard cars in Barry without risking the chance of cramping your left calf muscle. Listen, I think it's charming that nothing goes on here. That's not a negative. It's a nice charming that nothing goes on here. That's not a negative.

It's a nice thing that nothing goes on here. There's a lot going on in the United States right now. It doesn't mean you want to be there, you know? I mean, sure, Toronto has cops on horses to help protect the city from crimes, but we have a guy that runs around with two mini horses around downtown and brings smiles to people's faces. Especially if you're on mushrooms. You know what? Alright, that's a good place to stop it there. That's the bear-knuckle round.

Now I want to see that guy. Is that a real guy? Yeah. I think so, anyway. Is that a real guy? Yeah. Okay. I think so, anyway. Exactly. I may want a second opinion. All right.

All right. It is time now for the firing line. In my hand I have a list of questions on bustling berry brought to you by Berry's Australian-themed cannabis shop, The Great Berry Reefer. TripAdvisor's list of things to do in Berry includes checking out the Spirit Catcher sculpture, walking around at Sunnydale Park Arboretum, and what else? Chris? You can watch and listen to people play the piano who don't know how to play the piano.

There's a piano. to play the piano. All right. There's a piano. Right. Public piano. All right. Sorry, I missed that. Courtney. Counting potholes. That one didn't need any further explanation, did it? Let's see. Checking out the spirit catcher, walking around at Sunnydale Park Arboretum,

and enjoying beverages at Flying Monkey's Craft Brewery. Yeah. There's a local plug for free. Who says we don't have advertising on here? The Berry Fair, which attracts up to 25,000 people annually, offers the chance to watch a demolition derby, a truck pull, and in 2025, what other new event? Chris.

The biggest scrap metal sale. It's... You know what? It's not that far off. I'm giving you half a point for that. I'll take it. Courtney? Competitive vaping. You are getting the maximum response out of the minimum amount of words. I like it. The actual answer is three words. The combine derby where farm combines destroy one another.

Liz, I want to see that. Popular Berry Nightclub, The Ranch, bills itself as Canada's largest what? Courtney. Placeholder for a Costco. The audience gave you two points for that one. Chris. Drunken young people fighting over Ubers. That one was, think too true, for the crowd. Still giving you a full point.

The nightclub The Ranch bills itself as Canada's largest cowboy bar, which is going to come as a shock to our listeners from Alberta. And that is the firing line, everybody. This one's gaining momentum. It is almost time for our gorgeous Georgian theater audience to vote. But first, here to tell us why, she'll always carry her anti-Berry itinerary. Let's hear again from Courtney Gilmore. People act like it's a problem, that nothing happens in Barry, but it isn't. Big city dwellers spend thousands of dollars on meditation retreats

and weekend getaways to escape anxiety and stress. Barry lines up at Canadian Tire on Saturday morning to feel like they're living on the edge. And I respect that. Barry, don't let anyone convince you that you need to be more than what you are. The next time someone asks, hey, what's happening in Barry tonight? Tell them loud and proud.

Nothing, bud. And then go throw a hockey puck in the lake. Thank you. Courtney Gilmore, pumping up the tranquility, let's call it, of Berry. Now to remind us all that discovering this lakeside gem of a city is like finding buried treasure. Shut up! Let's hear from Berry's own Chris Quigley. Now, if there's nothing to do here in Barry, why is it that every long weekend, every holiday, every summer, people travel and spend hours and hours on the jam-packed 400 highway to

come to a place that offers nothing? Toronto is too busy, too chaotic. Every time I go to Toronto, I feel like that character Brooks from Shawshank Redemption, when he just got released from prison, you know? Just everything's just way too chaotic. So I think the best thing to do in Barry is to be thankful you don't live in Toronto.

Whoo! Chris Quigley, everybody! Yes! Succinct to the point. A lot of support. Let's hear from the crowd. By applause, how many of you bought into Chris's brilliant Barry broadcast, Chris Quigley? Listen to that. Listen to the love. And how many of you asked the same question as Courtney of Barry, namely, why all the kempenfos? Courtney Gilmore. It is close. It is a well-fought battle. It's close, but I gotta give this one to Chris Quigley. There's always something happening in Barry. Big hand for Chris Quigley and Courtney Gilmore, everybody!

Well, that's all for this week. I'm Steve Patterson saying to the rest of Canada, come visit Barrie! It's full of friendly people who refuse to pay Toronto prices. I'll argue with you again soon, Canada. Good night! The Debaters is created by Richard Side. This week's episode was produced by Nicole Callender, The Debaters is created by Richard Seid.

This week's episode was produced by Nicole Callander, Chloe Edbrook, Dean Jenkinson and Graham Clark. With continuity by Graham Clark, Diana Francis and Gary Jones. Technical production by James Perella and Todd Reimer. Story editing by Gary Jones. With special thanks to Katie Ellen Humphrey's Emily Ferrier and David Pride. Executive producer of CBC Radio Comedy is Lee Pitts. And thanks to everyone at the Georgian Theatre in Barrie.