The Debaters - Is moving for love a good idea? And is it better to be a jack of all trades or a master of one?

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

We’re bringing you a moving debate on whether it’s always great to move for love, and hammering it home when a jack of all trades takes on a master of one.Featuring: Isabel Zaw-Tun, Paul Myrehaug, Chad Anderson, and Graham Chittenden.

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This is a CBC Podcast. Hey, debaters, listeners. This is Nicole Callender, one of the producers on the show. We're on a summer break right now, so you're about to listen to a debate we aired earlier this season. And it's one we think you'll find quite moving, as we discuss whether or not it's always great to move for love. We'll be back in September with brand new episodes and to kickstart our 20th season. Thanks for listening.

Hey Canada, are you ready to get animated? From Ottawa, home of the Ottawa International Animation Festival, it's the Debater! Hey Canada, are you ready to get animated? From Ottawa, home of the Ottawa International Animation Festival, it's the debaters! The debaters where comedians fight with facts and funny, this audience picks the winner. Now here's a man that knows how to draw a crowd, Steve Patterson. Hey, thanks Graham Clark. Hello Canada, and welcome back to The Debaters. We're here in majestic Ottawa,

a city that's no stranger to international intrigue. In 2022, a famous photo was stolen from the Chateau Laurier. It was an original print of Winston Churchill called The Roaring Lion, not to be confused with a fake. Then a maintenance worker realized that the image was hanging crooked with a different frame. True story. Also, upon closer inspection of the photo of Churchill, it had been replaced with a

bulldog smoking a cigar. This is the biggest heist foiled at the hotel since charging my credit card for two robes that they said I stole the last time I stayed there. How dare you, Chateau Laurier! I only stole one robe. Now it's time to meet two debaters who have stolen our hearts. This comic's punch lines are as clear as a bell. It's Toronto's Isabelle Zotten.

Isabelle, come on out. Welcome. Isabelle Zotten, ladies and gentlemen. And this comic paints vintage artillery and was recently seen with a blonde bombshell. It's Paul Meyerhog! The Hog, we call him. Taking his place to my left. Hey. Welcome. Welcome. Your topic is one that we hope goes the distance. Relationships. There's more. There's more. There he is.

It's the Ghost laugher. Your topic is one that we hope will go the distance. Relationships. Are they worth pulling up stakes and moving for? Ooh, murmur, murmur. I bet there's a lot of money in the moving people for love business, and I bet there's even more money in the moving people back after the breakup business. That's why I'm going to start a moving company called Two Small Men with Broken Hearts. Or if you're on a budget because you spent most of your money moving closer to your now ex, you can rent a small trailer from my new company, U-Ball. Time now for a debate that will really move you, we hope.

So, whereas it exposes you to new countries and cultures and encourages growth in your relationship, be it resolved, it's always great to move for love. Isabel, you are arguing for this, please. You have two minutes. Starting now, Isabelle Zoughton. I married an Australian who left a place literally called the Sunshine Coast so he could live in Scarborough, Ontario. OK? Let me repeat that from the coast of sunshine to the borough of scars.

And I have submitted into evidence his signed affidavit stating he has zero regrets. So if he has no regrets about moving for love, who could? Thank you. Now Nobel Peace Prize winner Jimmy Carter once said, go out on a limb, that's where the fruit is. I can't speak for all of Canada but I have dated in Toronto and I can say it is a fruitless place. It's so bad.

Yeah. Who among us has not swiped and swiped until we've completely run out of potential partners in a 50-kilometer radius? And at that point, you're already travelling for love. You're just travelling on the GO train, a place where I once sat beside a man clipping his toenails. Okay? So I ask you, the toenail train to Hamilton, or a first-class flight to literally anywhere but Hamilton. And if you're thinking of moving to Canada for love,

listen, I'm Metis. My ancestors were bungling European men who moved to this country and were kept alive during the winter by their indigenous wives. OK? It's our cultural heritage to move here for love and really should be the only reason that anyone moves here at all. by their indigenous wives, OK? It's our cultural heritage to move here for love and really should be the only reason that anyone moves here at all. Ha! Ha! Ha!

We don't want doctors or teachers. We want hotties! Ha! Ha! Ha! Yes! And listen, when my Australian hottie moved here, he thought the temperatures below zero were something we made up. He brought a hoodie to wear in January. I had to buy him a coat. If he moved here solo, he might have died.

And to my Canadian white liberals, if you truly care about racial justice, if you really care, if you mean it when you believe in land back, when you say that land acknowledgement, you will find yourself a swarthy Frenchman or a debonair Englishman or one of the Sarsgaard brothers. And get your butts back to Europe.

Decolonize your love and get yourself an Italian villa. The perfect win-win. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Isabel Zotten. Let me tell you something right here. Occasionally, we have a discovery on this show

where a line just comes out that should be a song, and the toenail train to Hamilton. But that's... We've got to get to the point. that should be a song, and the toenail train to Hamilton. But that's... We got to get the soul and blues on that. Now, here to tell us why moving for love is not an idea that travels well, let's hear from Paul Meyerhogg. Thanks, Ottawa.

Eight years ago, I moved to the south of France for a woman. And before I go any further, I would like to make this crystal clear. I love Cecile. She is my soulmate, and I couldn't live without her. But I tell you what I could live without. Every other person born in France. Pfft!

Laughter and applause Cheers and applause Forbes magazine rates France as the rudest country in the world. Second-place, Ottawa, Russia! Laughter But everyone says, who cares about the rudeness, Paul? The food, the bakeries, croissants, baguettes, panneaux, chocolat, sure, French bakeries are great,

but guess what, Ottawa? I'm allergic to gluten. Asking a French baker for a gluten-free croissant is like going to a Ford dealership in Alberta and asking for an electric car. In my region of France, there is zero English spoken. Zero! But Paul, you're a Canadian. You took French in school.

No! I was born in Alberta. I was educated in Alberta. My French teacher was a Norwegian immigrant. He spoke zero French or English. He spoke zero French or English. French class was an hour on the rowing machine eating pickled herring. I'm learning French now in my 40s,

and my professor is a cartoon owl that lives in my iPhone. I'm learning French now in my 40s, and my professor is a cartoon owl that lives in my iPhone. I'm learning French now in my 40s, and my professor is a cartoon owl that lives in my iPhone. Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha!

Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Here's the bottom line. Moving overseas for love only proves one thing. Nobody in your home country found you attractive. Ha ha Ha! Ha! Whoo! Whoo!

And that's okay. No one's saying you can't date anybody from another country. Just make sure they move to Canada. Unless you live in Regina, then leave immediately. Thank you very much, Ottawa. Paul Meyerhogg does not think it's a good idea to move for love, even though he did it. I have to start with my cursory apologies.

Sorry to French people. Sorry to all those who drive e-vehicles in Alberta. There are three of them. And sorry, as always, Regina. Now it is time now for the Bare Knuckle Round. We're debating moving for love. So to get this audience uprooting for you, try to pack a lot in and think outside the moving boxes. I'll be the one who oversees this segment because I'm a real Rome Antic.

If you show a broad base of knowledge, you'll soon be on the road to success, visa-vi this topic. So, ready, set, car, go! Ding! Applause I just want to talk about cheese for a moment, if you wouldn't mind. Laughter You'll be surprised to know no marble cheese in France.

None. Only, yeah, yeah, cachot! Laughter Actually, that's not true. I have been to France. They just call it fromage folie a deux. Duo has not taught me that yet. I know, actually, because my husband and I got married in France.

We thought it'd be nice to meet in the middle for our wedding, another plus of an international marriage. Well, isn't that delightful? Maybe I'll meet Cecile in the middle. I can meet, yeah, yeah, yeah, France and Canada in the middle. We'll do that in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. You can have a romantic wedding in international waters. Maybe the officiant could be a pirate.

That would be exciting. Right? Yeah, Captain Phillips. Yeah. I'm the groom now. Yeah. You've been bragging a lot up here about outsourcing. That's, yeah, you've done a great job. Australian, though, give me a break.

That's basically a Canadian man. Am I right? It's true. Australian and Canadian are basically the same genre of man. You know? But think about it. Would you rather a passive-aggressive apologizing Ken complete with action long underwear? Or would you rather get the party surfing Ken complete with a pet koala?

Right? I know which model I want. Australians are just Canadians but fun. That's a whole other debate. Sadly I went with French Ken who's just rude and smokes cigarettes. I think that's probably a good spot. It's time now for the firing line. In my hand I have a list of questions on moving for a relationship brought to you by the new ROMCOM about love-struck actuaries.

Love factually. Centennial Moving Company says Ottawa is one of the top Canadian cities to move to if you're moving to Canada for love. Why? Paul. Ample street parking for semi-trailers. Those who liked it liked it a lot. Isabel? Steve, you actually read the question wrong.

Ottawa is one of the cities to move to if you're moving for love. Just like Ottawa's official slogan, of all the cities in Canada, Ottawa is certainly one of the cities to move to if you're moving for love. Just like Ottawa's official slogan, of all the cities in Canada, Ottawa is certainly one of them. Laughter Well, minus one for correcting the host. Laughter Ottawa is one of the top Canadian cities to move to if you're moving to Canada for love because it has good career opportunities and a good work-life balance.

According to a survey on extraspace.com, what do 60% of respondents say is scarier than moving for love? Isabelle. That would be moving for witness protection. Can't argue with that, I guess. Sixty percent of respondents said, managing a long distance relationship is scarier than moving for love. But also have you tried staying put for indifference? According to a survey on porch.com, the number one reason women hesitate to move for love is being away from their parents.

What's the number one reason for men? Paul. Outstanding warrants. The number one reason men hesitate to move for love is uncertainty around finding a well-paying job. See, Ottawa, there are places where people don't have well-paying jobs. Laughter Applause Laughter Self.com says

there are 16 questions you should ask before you move for love. What is number one? Isabelle. Who gets the top bunk? Laughter Good answer. One point. Paul Meyerhock. Does your new country have a Quiznos?

Laughter Very specific. One point. The first question you should ask before you move for love is, will we live together? Good question. That's the firing line, everybody. Applause Alright. That's the fire client, everybody. All right, Arwa. It's almost time for our scintillating

Centerpoint Theatre audience to vote. But first, here again to tell us why moving for love basically puts you on a highway to hell, let's hear again from Paul Meyerhog. Aren't we all trying to fight outsourcing? Don't do what I did. -"Dog." Applause -"Aren't we all trying to fight outsourcing?" -"Don't do what I did." -"Support local human farmers, Ottawa."

Laughter -"Want a Greek woman? Move to Red Deer." -"What?" -"Are there Greek women in Red Deer?" -"I don't know, but if you go to Safeway and stand around the feta cheese long enough, I'm sure you'll scare one up." Laughter I don't know, but if you go to Safeway and stand around the feta cheese long enough, I'm sure you'll scare one up. Pfft.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Have you always dreamed of a Scandinavian boy? Why fly all the way to Sweden? Go to Vancouver, grab yourself a Sidene twin. So instead of Love Overseas, choose Hawkins Cheezies, choose NW, choose Canada. Thank you everybody. All right.

Paul Meyerhag. He's got patriotic towards the end there. Well done my friend. Now, here to remind us that you can get a lot of mileage out of a relationship if you move for love. Let's hear again from Isabel Zotten. Relationships are hard. Let's hear again from Isabelle Zoughton. Applause Relationships are hard.

Why not get annoyed by your partner's loud chewing in a gorgeous Parisian restaurant? Even if you break up and slink back home with your tail between your legs, you never have to bump into your ex ever again. Applause You never have to bump into your ex ever again. They're just fine. Tell everyone the reason you broke up was because they had a debilitating gambling addiction. And they lost all their money on Candy Crush. Who's going to correct you? Not the guy back in Johannesburg.

Not him. Canadian icon Nellie Furtado said it best, I'm like a bird. I'll only fly away. Her love was rare, her love was true, and her love is filling out an I Am Dash 1344 spousal sponsorship visa. Thank you.

Isabel Zocken says you should move for love. Paul Meyerhog says the opposite. Let's see how this fabulous Ottawa audience has decided by applause who enjoyed Paul's stay put put downs of moving for love, Paul Meyerhog. All right, picked up with Paul's putting down. And who loved what Isabelle had to say about moving for love and found it quite moving? Isabelle Zotten! All right, the crowd has spoken, the romantics in Ottawa agree, you should move for love.

The winner is Isabelle Zotten in her first ever debate for us. Big hand for Isabel Saughton and Paul Meyerhog, everybody. You're listening to CBC Radio's The Debaters. Want access to bonus content and information on upcoming tour dates? Then be sure to follow us on Instagram at atcbcdebaters. You know, shopping for a car should be exciting, not exhausting. And that's where CarGurus comes in. They have advanced search tools, unbiased deal ratings, and price history, so you know

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Hey, we're the Adam Wild and Jack Show. You can find us wherever you get your podcasts every Wednesday and Jacks. We talk about what? Well, we're just two best pals talking about pop culture, dating, and also exposing each other's deepest, darkest secrets. And if you've ever been ghosted, we have a little segment called Left On Red where we call the person who ghosted you and say, Hey, why'd you do that? And usually it leads to some pretty embarrassing and explosive things.

Yeah. So check out the Adam Wild and Jack show available every Wednesday, wherever you get your podcasts. that and usually it leads to some pretty embarrassing and explosive things. Yeah. Yeah. So check out the Adam Wild and Jack show available every Wednesday wherever you get your podcasts. Hey Ottawa, I got one question for you. Are you ready to meet your next pair of debaters? Listen to that Canada. This comic thinks that saying gesundheit after a sneeze is really a blessing in disguise. It's Winnipeg's Chad Anderson.

Chad, there he is. Hello, Steve. Hey, Chad, welcome back. Thank you. Taking his spot on the stage to my left. And this comic stores his books about personal ethics on a shelf designed for moral support. It's Brantford, Ontario's Graham Chittenden. There he is. Back again. Debaters, your topic is one that will put your skills to the test. Is being a Jack of all trades better than being a master of one?

This topic makes me realize that when it comes to parenting in my house, I'm the jack of all trades and my wife Nancy is the master of moms. I can teach my daughters a little bit about important things like a little math, a little English, and how to survive in the woods for a very little time. While Nancy spends her time teaching them everything else that I'm still learning. Like how to be a fully functioning member of society. Time now for a debate that we wouldn't trade for anything. So whereas it gives you a broader base of knowledge, a more diverse set of skills, and

allows you to solve a wider range of problems, be it resolved that being a jack of all trades is superior to being a master of one. Chad, you are arguing for this please. You have two minutes. Starting now, Chad Anderson. Oh, thank you Ottawa. Is being a jack of all trades a bad thing? Let me create a little scenario for you.

You're trapped in an attic. There are thugs trying to break into that attic, and all you have laying around is a telescope, mothballs, a rope, a pulley and some handlebars. (*Laughter*) What kind of person would you rather have with you? Someone who has spent their entire life dedicated, hyperfixated and focused on only one particular thing,

aka a creep, or... would you rather be stuck with a cool, calm, handsome man with a golden flowing mullet and a knowledge of everything? Yeah, that's a MacGyver reference. Yeah! Whoo! Yeah! We all would choose that handsome son of a gun

over some nerd with a PhD in astrophysics. What, are you gonna show me the stars before we're killed? Beat it, Neil deGrasse Tyson. Because my boy's getting me out of here on a homemade harpoon zip line, baby. Sure, maybe knowing a little about a lot isn't appealing for perfectionists, but remember, I'm a jack of all trades,

and while you're paying some sketchy dude to patch your drywall professionally, I'll be at home doing a semi-poor job, swearing and saving money. While you're at Mr. Lube getting your oil changed and trying to convince the person that you don't need an engine flush or a cabin filter. I'll be at home in my tiny one car garage

with oil everywhere, swearing and saving money. While you're paying someone named Cupcakes by Caroline $400 to make 12 cupcakes for your children's birthday party, I'll be at home in my kitchen making 200 cupcakes with sugar and flour everywhere, swearing, and you guessed it, saving money. Thank you. Thank you.

Chad Anderson really brought that together nicely, my friend. Thank you, Chad. Chad Anderson really brought that together nicely, my friend. Thank you, Chad. Now, here to unveil his one master plan on being a master of one, let's hear from the one and only Graham Chittenden. Thank you. Thank you. Jack of all trades is bad.

To be called Jack in any context is never good. You're either being patronized by John Lovitz, Jack, or being called something close to, but not exactly, a Jack of. Hmm. The saucies we're allowed to get on CBC radio. In the book Outliers, Malcolm Gladwell espoused the value of people who spend tens of thousands of hours honing a single specific skill. And the people he talks about are the Beatles, Bill Gates, and he himself was successful.

Malcolm Gladwell, whom you all know because you're all CBC radio fans in Ottawa. Yeah. In fact, all of you are right next to Gladwell in the left-wing nerd section of a Venn diagram. I'm also confident you all know Venn diagrams. Now, inversely, people do give TED Talks on being a jack of all trades, and I did watch one by a guy who was a jet propulsion engineer for a company that has since gone bankrupt. He later became the director of a college I've never heard of, and now he's a speaker I'm unimpressed by, and he finished talk with a song. I hope I never hear again

Now let's talk about a master of one the ultimate master of one Arnold Schwarzenegger Yes, and to the skeptics you're like he said three jobs yeah, but he only has one skill. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! He got so good at one thing that they rewarded him three times for it. The body that Arnold crafted with such focus was so perfect that when he starred in an American movie about an American Terminator robot in America,

and he did the whole thing with the accent of a Bavarian pretzel maker... They said, look at those arms, let's make a sequel. Then, still in that body built by single-minded devotion, he made Californians think, huh, giving a health and purity obsessed man from Austria some political power?

Look at those ass, let's go for it. If Jack of all trades is truly noble, yell out your favorite inspirational quote about sucking at nine things. You can't because being a Jack of all trades will get you exactly that, Jack. Thank you. Woo!

All right. All right. Graham Chittenden, certainly a master of that opening argument. He talked about outliers and Venn diagrams and the CBC crowd just lit up! It is time now for the bare-knuckle round. We're debating being a jack of all trades.

So for this odd job, here's some tips that might come in handy, man. Hammer away at your opponent, and don't paint yourself into a corner, or you'll hit a drywall of audience reaction. And if you don't think outside the toolbox, you'll be totally screwed. You guys know the drill.

Skill set your eyes on the prize, starting now. Thank you. I'm glad you mentioned drywall again, because Chad's like, I do my own drywall, I bake my own cupcakes. I... That's why I pay professionals. No chance that they accidentally ice those cupcakes with drywall compound. That's what I like.

I will pay the extra for that. The drywall compound puts hair on your chest, so... And then sticks your shirt to that hair. That's... Yeah. Hey, there are quotes about sucking at nine different things, and my favorite one is, of course, live, laugh, love. So...

Yeah. And if you want to live, don't do your own wiring in your house if that's not your skill. That's what I'll say. But you have an actual other skill. You are a jack of at least two trades. You are a plumber. Yes. Yes. And yep. Hold on. Let's let the appreciation sink in. Yeah. That's a real skill. Yes. That is a real skill. And you worked in Winnipeg as a plumber? Yes. Yeah. And has anyone herepeg as a plumber? Yes. Yeah. And has anyone here tried to get a plumber on the phone?

Imagine your basement was filling up and they're like, oh, he can't come out right now. He's telling jokes in Ottawa. All right. You know what? I think that's the fair enough around everybody. It's time now for the firing line. In my hand I have a list of questions about being a Jack of all trades, brought to you by Jack Nicholson.

If you've never heard of him, you really don't know Jack. Yep, that's about what it deserved. According to Forbes, it was Shakespeare who originally said, a Jack of all trades is a master of none. But that was only the first half of a longer quote. What's the rest? Graham? To all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun. That was Shakespeare.

How do you all know that? Crowd likes it. Three points. Chad Anderson. A Jack of all trades is a master of none, but always the instigator of fun because we're so busy living, laughing and loving. All so good. All so good. Strong opening answers. I'm going to give three and a half points, Chad. Keep in mind the points aren't real,

but they should still make you feel good. A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one. Jeez. According to the website, Phrase Finder, in the 16th century, what other phrase was used as a derogatory term for jack-of-all-trades?

Chad? A Nathaniel of nothing. I like that. Yep, yep. Slow burn, but I like it. Graham Chittenden? A Chauncey chews he mustn't. I mean, just the name Chaunce is going to get a point with this group.

A derogatory term for Jack of all trades in the 16th century, Johnny do it all. They do not know what a derogatory term is, Jack of the 16th century. Link did, so it must be true, says one of the disadvantages of being a master of one is potentially limited job prospects, while one of the disadvantages of being a jack of all trades is difficulty doing what? Graham Chittenden. Disadvantage of being a jack of all trades is admitting that you have ADHD. The audience has given you one and a half for that. LinkedIn says one of the disadvantages

of being a jack of all trades is standing out. Mmm. Also would have accepted having human friends. What snack food icon had the personal motto, do one thing and do it better than anyone? Graham. Dr. William Dorito. Good guess.

Chad. Sir, Cap'n Crunch. And that one thing he was exceptional at was cutting the roof of your mouth up. Glad you completed that. One and a half points now. Do one thing and do it better than anyone. Orville Redenbacher, ladies and gentlemen. That's the popcorn king right there. And that's the firing line, everybody.

We are racing along here on the debaters, debating Jack of all trades versus Master of One. And it's almost time for our Center Point Theater audience to vote for their favorite. But first, here to tell us why there's a reason they're called Masters of the Universe and not Jacks of the Universe. Let's hear from Graham Chittenden.

Thank you. Yes. Masters move us forward. They make the world a better place. Sometimes they literally save our lives. If you were falling asleep on the operating table about to undergo life-saving surgery, the last thing you want to hear is, yeah, doctors are on his way.

The spin class he teaches just ran a bit long. Like, how do I know it's worse to be a jack of all trades? Because I am one. I'm no Renaissance man. I am a guy with ADHD. In my fleeting moments of clarity, I do want to be a television personality. But do you know who they put on TV instead? Don Gorski, the man whose one skill is eating a Big Mac every day for his entire life.

Yes, now maybe you could argue that my attempt for television fame is one facet of a man trying to be a well-rounded human being. But where did that get me? On the radio. Thank you. Graham Chittenden arguing on the radio while lobbying for a TV show. That's multitasking, my friend.

Now, here to tell us why he thinks that anyone who wastes all their time becoming a master of one is basically just a big tool. His word's not mine. Here's Chad Anderson! A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one, which is the complete saying that we have shortened and weaponized against people like me to make me feel what? Bad for not wasting my time and money going to university to study one thing? All while people who go to university and study only one thing worship scholars like Leonardo Da Vinci? Da Vinci? You mean the guy who was a painter,

a draftsman, an engineer, a scientist, a theorist, a sculptor, and an architect? Hmm, sounds like old Leo was a bit of a jack of all trades himself. A Renaissance man, if you will. Hmm, hmm, hmm. The Renaissance man. And guess what?

He can show you the stars, and he will also build you a homemade harpoon zipline and propel you to safety, baby. Thank you very much. Chad Anderson, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Chad Anderson on behalf of Jack of All Trades and on behalf of Leonardo da Vinci, which is nice, nice to hear him get a shout out again. Alright, Centerpoint Theatre, it is time for you to vote.

By applause, who got jacked from listening to Chad's jocularity around jacularity? Chad Anderson! Chad Anderson on Jack of All Tr trades, listen to that! Listen to that crowd! And who felt that Graham gave us one master class on being a master of one? Graham Chittenden. It's pretty close, nice support for each side, but I'm going to give this one to Chad Anderson!

It's okay to be a master of more than one. Big hand for Chad Anderson and Graham Chittenden, everybody. Well, that's all for this week. I'm Steve Patterson saying it's a pleasure being a master of ceremonies. But our editor, Nicole, is the true master on this show. I'll argue with you again soon, Canada. Good night.

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