The Debaters - Weekend laughs from The Big Five

Episode Date: May 2, 2026

The Big Five answers the most pressing question of our time: what are the “Big 5” of any given category? Not the best 5. Not the top 5. Not anyone’s favourite 5. But objectively, the Big 5. In each episode, Donovan Woods, Tom Power, and a celebrity guest tackle new topics and debate things like: what are the Big 5 farm animals? Types of hats? Slang terms for “butt”? Ways to cook a potato? Guys named Paul? Guests in this season include Vivek Shraya, Jordan Canning, William Prince, Lindsay Ell, Elamin Abdelmahmoud and more!More episodes of The Big Five are available wherever you get your podcasts, and here: https://link.mgln.ai/TB5xTD

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It's called The Big Five, a brand new podcast which answers the most pressing questions of our time. Like, what are the big five of any given category? Not the best five, not the top five, not anyone in particular's favorite five, just objectively the big five. In each episode, Tom, Donovan Woods, and a celebrity guest tackle a new topic. Things like what are the Big Five farm animals, types of hats, slang terms for butt, ways to cook a potato, you know, that kind of stuff. And at the end of each segment, the debate is settled by a listener from across the country. Celebrity guests in this season include Vivek Shreya, Jordan Canning, and William Prince,

plus some of our very own debaters like Juno Award for Comedy Album of the Year 2026 winner Adam Christie. So here's an episode from the Big Five. Listen. Joey. Caitlin, Spike, don't spew. Everyone's just on the range. Shane, don't spiel. Everyone's about to speak.

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Wheels, don't spew. Well, that is time for the big five again. Can you believe it? Welcome to the Big Five podcast. I'm Donovan Woods. I'm one of the one of the big five. of the host. I'm here with my co-host Tom Power. Hi, Tom. Donovan, I'm so excited to play the big five again. We're back in the room, ready to play the big five together. And I haven't seen, you've been on the road since I've been. I've been on tour. We haven't seen each other in a number of weeks. Where'd you go? All over America. A bunch of cities, New York. To New York City. I'm going to get a bunch of New York. I've been to Chicago. You know, I'm all right. I'm okay. Things are good. You got to go to New York City tomorrow to talk to you. Do a Lepa. It's pretty exciting. I'm going to get to do a good job.

I got to go do an interview with her. Do a good interview. I'm excited to do a podcast with our guest today. Oh, Tom, I'm so excited to do the Big Five again. We've been talking about how much we've enjoyed the Big Five and we're back. We're doing it again. We also have the producer Matt is here with us. Matt doesn't want us to use his last name because he's worried about becoming famous.

He doesn't want to become famous from this podcast that we've never released. He likes his little life and he doesn't want to be rocketing to fame in any sort of embarrassing. He doesn't want Mary Walsh doing her, Marg, Princess War. your character. Yeah, bumping him on his driveway coming in and like, hello darling. When you get to a certain fame in Canada, when you get home, Mary Walsh is in your driveway. And then you got to, you look like a real jerk if you're not cool about it. No.

You got to be, you got to laugh and play along. And if you're not nice, everyone hates you in Canada. Anyway, something to look forward to Matt when she's in your driveway. Play along, buddy. Play along. What is, yeah, don't be a dick. All right. Okay, what is the big five? It's a podcast that introduces you to a notable and interesting special guests

and then discusses life's most important questions, namely, what are the big five of a given category? So what are the big five farm animals? As an example I always like to use, I mean, the big five farm animals obviously are cow, horse, pig, sheep, and chicken. People can argue about that, but they're obviously cow horse, pig, sheep, and chicken. And some people would say goat. Tom probably has something else to add, but I always try to add duck. Yeah, it's not duck. That's a big five.

and Tom likes to explain it with aliens, I think. Yeah, I mean, what we were working on last time is that if aliens came down to Earth and they looked at you and said, What are the big five fast food restaurants that we need to know about now that we've landed on Earth? And you'd be like, oh, geez, okay, let me see if I can help you out. You're out in a cornfield, you know? And the aliens there are going like... It's cold.

It's cold, you know? He's serious about it. I'm trying to get this chat over with it so you can go back in the house. You're kind of fridging, like that and just shivering while you do it. And you go like, ah, guess me. Donald's number one and then probably Burger King and KFC Taco Bell and then Wendy's. Yeah, Wendy's. And the alien would be like, all right, fair enough.

We got it. That's how I see it. That's how I see it. Back in the spaceship and back up to the planet. And you can go inside to warm up. Okay. Well, that's the big five. And we've got our special guests.

Let's introduce our special guest for today. Our special guest today is a stand-up comedian and actress, originally from Guelph, Ontario. Her Juno-nominated comedy album, Splash Pad, was released in 2022 to great acclaim, especially by Meek. She's appeared on Just for Last All Access on Crave TV, CTV stand-up show, Roast Battles Canada. And most prominently recently, she appears as the fan favorite Beth on the

CTV sitcom, Children Ruin Everything. The Hollywood reporter calls her an adept comic scene stealer. What? And for me, most prominently, are Jackie's Instagram stories where she performs a sort of pet journalism with regular updates on all the animals in her neighborhood, which to me is the best entertainment

coming out of Canada these days and is much more enjoyable than the episode of Murdoch Mysteries that Tom was You didn't watch it Don't pretend you watched it From Guelph Ontario now living in Toronto One of the funniest people in Canada Jackie Piracca

Oh my goodness! Oh my goodness That is so nice I didn't know how silent I should be during that intro You did a great quiet laugh Yeah This one That was the nicest I'm so happy to be here

Thank you guys I'm really excited to do this podcast Did I do that? Right. To do a podcast. I'm excited to do it with this one. A do-a-this-specific podcast. You just thought we were being Italian with one another?

Okay, so in an effort to clarify the idea of a big five even better, we always ask our guests to provide the big five facts about themselves. Aliens come down to Earth. They say, what do you need to know about Jackie Perrick? Yeah, that's right. That's exactly. Can I just, before you do that, can I interject about the aliens momentarily? Yes.

I was thinking about what I would show an alien first if they came down, if they left it up to me. Like, show me something good. show me something good. I know what I would first show them if I could get spot one easily is, you know when like a daycare has a big trolley, a giant trolley of like

12 babies all in one like an egg cart? You got to get eyes on that. It's so pleasant. That's what you'd show them first. Yeah, yeah. I'd be like, and then I would explain it like, so in order to survive, we have to basically

be a slave in order to have food and subsist. But then we have with our young, We pay other people to care for them during the day. And they kind of cart them around in these sort of mobile egg cartons. I just think it's so funny. I think they'd also go, which is what I do. I love to see it. The way you imagine the aliens is so much more nice than I imagine.

Make sure they don't have lasers. Jackie could have picked anything to show them. And she chose 12 children. And they just shot it with a laser. My friend Travis and I had that exact conversation. And my friend Travis said that he would show the aliens. the Chris Isaac video for wicked game.

Oh, that's so steamy. On his phone. That would be the first thing to hear each other. And then they would be like, if they were thinking of destroying the world, they'd be like, well, let's leave it because that's so sexy.

That's so sexy and gorgeous. Helen and Christian's covered in sand? If that's what these people are up to, let's leave them big. Okay. What are the big five Jackie Perico facts? Okay, the big five Jackie Perico facts. Fact one.

She is a super smeller. Hey. That's what I think anyway. You can smell everything really well. It's a blessing and a. What are you getting into this room right now? Right now? I'm not really getting anything except it's a very clean officey smell.

There's no prominent notes. But like I can smell like, for example, what can I smell? I can smell when people's like jeans are kind of dirty or like I can smell people's shoes. I've diagnosed cavities. No. Yeah, yeah, diagnosed a cavity. I said you got to get something checked out there. You've got something going on there.

And it was a cavity. Oh, I would not. I would be so mortified. Somebody smelled my mouth. But I was really close to this person. Okay. Fact two, was a busker. Hey.

What was your skill? What was your skill? Auggler? No, no, just with my acoustic guitar and my voice singing. What's the most amount of money you made in one day as a busker? I think a few hundred. That's a really good question. Because know what I would do?

Professional interview. No, what I would do is this was in Montreal. And you have to have a license to bus. But I didn't go to those spots because there was no foot traffic that they were setting up to fail. So I would go on this underground pathway that connected all the malls. Like the Eaton Center, the Cathedrille, all of you. I know that past, right, yeah. And so the end of that one, it was the end of the line and you could only turn into the

Eaton Center, I would go there and make a killing of people coming in and out of the mall. And then whenever the cops would be like, you can be doing that year. I'd be like, oh, me? I just got off the bus from Toronto, even though I didn't. I lived in Montreal for eight years. But I was like, I acted dumb like I didn't know. Three facts, and this is a very serious fact. Dad was in a coma.

Yes. How long? The coma was... Tom, it's like you have... It cuts right through to it. Has it right on the tip of. Has a whole spade of coma questions, I guess, and that's number one? I think that's the best coma question.

It was only for a few, a couple weeks. It was a medically induced coma. Oh, yeah. Oh, goodness. Yeah, so he had... Like, I mean, it is a serious thing, but it is kind of funny. Oh, he's great. He's okay.

Yeah, he's very lucky to be alive, but he went into the hospital with, like, acute pancreatitis. Oh. And they had to induce a coma so that he wouldn't... parish and then he was in that for a while and then he came out of that but he was in the hospital for eight months. There was some funny moments because he was like, he was in this ICU bay that had several beds

and at one point he was like, you got to get me out of here. They're hanging up people on hooks and taking their organs. Oh my God. And they're like dead chill. They're not doing that. He's like bring the car around. But we realized what he was seeing because while they were changing bedding or pajamas or whatever they would have people up on what's called

a Hoyer lift. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And like hanging from it. So he would witness this and think that they're like a meat locker. They very genuinely were hanging people on the house. Bring the car around. Number four, whisker collection. I don't know what that means at all. Cat whisker or beard whisker.

First one, honey. Phone, power. What's not provided with these beforehand? It's just that fast. The questions are just flying out. Cat hair or beard hair. Now, you could guess knowing me

That's probably, yeah, cat hair. So I've collected every whisker I've ever found since I was about seven years old. I have them all poked into a little stuffed cat that I got when I was really little. This little stuffed cat, so this little stuffed cat has like hundreds of real cat whiskers. And then sometimes when I like kind of graze my face with it, I get like this kind of crazy supercharged sort of ASMR. Like I can feel a surge of like energy. What time do you do that?

What time do you do that is? Whenever I kind of walk by it, I'll start to kind of pick it. Whenever the mood strikes. What do you think that is? I don't know. You just like it. But my mom told me when I was young, like, dating advice-wise, she's like, just wait, maybe just wait a little to tell the guy about your whisker.

And when did you show your husband the Whisker Collection? Pretty immediately. Fact five, Jackie Piercos, big fact five is likely have toxoplasmosis. Is that true? Well, I mean, I can't rule it out. And I guess it is quite related to the Whisker collection. Yeah. But so, yeah.

So for anyone who doesn't know. Is that the cat litter one? Yeah. It's like a brain changing parasite. Yeah. That can be transmitted through cat poo. The thing about that, remember when they sort of that started to show up in articles and stuff that

cat poo gives women, makes women's brains weird? Or, yeah, anyone. That every guy I've ever met who is married to a straight woman who has cats was like, oh, no, that explains why Karen's so weird. Like, like, but that's not, it can't possibly be. What are the symptoms that you've noticed from? Well, the thing.

about the brain-changing parasite, and it gets into mice as well. It makes, if mice get it, because this is the thing, it's a smart parasite that it can only thrive and reproduce and just get like lit and like party for real in the enzymes of a cat's gut. And that's where it wants to be. So when it gets like pooed out, sorry, TMI. But then, and then if it gets into another creature, it will change that creature's behavior to get back to the cat.

And so the mice will become unafraid of cats. They'll be like, they'll be a. attracted to the cat smells. And this is why you want the whiskers because you have a weird closeness with cats. I want the closest. And I really love kissing a cat right on the lips. And that's why you rub the whiskers on your face.

Yeah. And then it's also why I can't get enough of kissing cats on the lips. This is a part of fact for, unfortunately. It's all part and parcel of this. Great, great, great. Great, great. Good fact. Very interesting.

All right. Well, thank you. We know, now we know Jackie a lot better than we did previously. We diagnosed her with something, and we heard about her dad's health struggles, and we've come out on the other side. Are you ready to play the big five? Jackie. Do you understand the big five? Yeah, I think so. Okay.

She thinks she understands. And, oh, yeah, Matt, what are we playing? Matt, what are we playing for today? I have the last week's prize on my mantle. Oh, that's nice. Last week, Tom, when I mug into shape of King Charles filled with hickory sticks. Oh, I love hickory sticks. The prize package today is three vintage details.

magazines with Ben Affleck on the cover. There's 1998's Armageddon's Rocket Man. Incredible. 2002's. I own this one. Ben Affleck's True Hollywood Story. Oh my God. And 2004's Ben Affleck is as sick of himself as you are.

Oh my. That's an incredible prize. Thank you, ma'am. Three details magazines all featuring Ben Affleck on the cover. All right. And I'm very excited. Everybody wants it. And we'll start round one right after this break.

I'm very excited. Okay, here we are back playing the Big Five. We're about to begin round one. And to introduce round one, here is a listener from somewhere across the country. Hi, this is Grayson. I'm 11 years old, and I live in Fergus, Ontario. My category is the Big Five Balls. Oh.

Amazing. Oh, yes. Oh, I love it. So we write them down. I tend to write them down. Donovan, since you won the coin toss, you'll get to say you're opening Big Five first, followed by Jackie, then Tom. Then you'll all debate to see if you want to add or remove anything from your lists.

Then after a few minutes, you'll each have to name your official Big Five and lock it in. Points will be awarded based on how close you are to Grayson's list. Okay. Donovan, you're up first. Okay, well, thank you, Grayson, for a wonderful category. Thanks Tom and Jackie for being here today. You're stalling again. You do this laugh at me.

When he stalls, he turns into like a Senate-Hering guy. First off, I'd like to say thanks to be in here. I'd like to say thank you for everyone from being here. I think it's a nice, warm thing to do. We're talking about the big five balls, big five sports balls. Okay. And also, I mean, we don't know what sports balls. It could be like a gala.

It could be a gala event or is it all sports balls? He says, the Metgala. Is it the Met Gala? The Vanity Fair post-Hawley's party. I would say the parameters given were like physical balls, not events. Yeah, right. Okay. Okay.

I'm going to start The inaugural ball I'm going to start off with a basketball. I think a basketball is a classic ball. I don't think you're going to find a list of the Big Five Bowls without a basketball. It's a popular sport the world over. No one's fighting you on it.

The second ball I'm going to say is soccer ball. Okay. I'm going to say basketball, soccer ball, and then I'm going to say tennis ball. Basketball, soccer ball, tennis ball. Yeah. Four, I'm going to say volleyball. They're missing a big one.

And then five, I'm going to say the ball that drops in Times Square New Year's. Do you think Grayson who's 11 from Ferguson, Ontario? Is watching Dick Clark's Rock in New Year? That's who watches Dick Clark's Rock in New Year's. It's Ryan Seacrest's walking New Year's now, by the way. It's all that's Dick Clark to me, baby. Ryan Seekricks is the new Dick Clark. He killed Dick Clark with his bare hands.

He did. And now she's in suit. Yeah, warm looking. I'm like a skin suit. I don't know what that ball in Times Square is called. This is called the big ball. The drop and ball. The drop and ball.

The fact that you don't know what it's called definitely means it's on Grayson's list. Okay, I'm just trying to think of balls. This is the initial list. I'm trying to think of balls. Okay. I'm going to say tennis ball, basketball, soccer ball, volleyball, and the big ball. Jackie? Jackie.

An initial list, Jackie? Incredible. Yes, I've got initial list. And we've aligned slightly here. Okay. That'll happen. My first one, base. Yeah.

Donovan baseball. Baseball. Baseball. All-Americans. The ball of New Year's before baseball. Fourth of July. An incredible decision. Apple pie. Potato Salad.

Sandlot. The baseball. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. I picture a slobbery baseball in that big Mastiff dog's mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Next, I've got basket. Classic ball. Very classic. A Canadian ball. That's right. James Naismithmsmith and the peach basket. Yeah, come on. that thing is so funny

Yeah But I need these baskets Back Tough cookies buster And then they cut a hole in the bottom of it And they poke it with a stick Which to me when I was a child I was like

Why they just cut the whole thing out And then I thought Oh yeah he needs the baskets back Yeah yeah So they needed to cut a small hole Hold on That's the reason Yeah yeah yeah

I never put that together So they cut a small hole That's a peach Yeah It's like less than one piece But that way The farmer could get his baskets.

They'd have his basket. Yeah. That's so nice. Yeah. Like back then, they weren't just swimming in baskets. Yeah, that's,

you know. Your family had a number of baskets. You needed a basket weaver. And when one broke, that was it. That was it. You weren't getting any more. Can I hear the guy

voice again? He said, I need those. But I need these baskets back. That's exactly how he said. All right, you got baseball and you got basketball. The third one I've got is foot. Yeah, baby. I'm just trying to think of

boys and what boys are thinking about. Tom loves football, I guess. Me? Yeah. You just said, yeah, baby. Well, it's a lot better than the ball that drops at midnight once again. All right. I'm just trying to mix it up.

We know I'm not good at this game. Just trying to mix it up. And here's where we align. I have for number four, volley. Volleyball, volleyball. Yeah, and it's one of my favorite sports. And before we started recording, we talked about volleyball. Yes.

You weren't here yet, Tom. but we talked about how great volleyball is so great because everyone gets to play every position and everything's always being shaken up. It hurts when you hit the way. Yeah, it does hurt. But oh, it hurts so good. Is it okay?

It does get a little red. It does get a little red. Baseball, basketball, football, volleyball. And what's your number five? Number five? The big ball from... A cult, a cult favorite. Oh.

Whiffle. Oh, with the holes in them. Yeah. A wiffle ball. A wiffle and scoop. Yeah. Ship that thing up into the air. Is that like high a lie?

Oh, is that what Highlaw is? That was supposed to be that? Yeah, it has a... But is the Wiffleball scoop... Like, is that designed... Is that based around Highline? I think so, yeah. I was obsessed with Wiffle and Scoop.

If I had a law firm, Wiffle and Scoot. Detective... I think... I'd be like, why... Is your last name Scoop? And you think, not just like those words. Who's whiffle and his scoop?

No, buddy. Break him down for me again, all in a row? One, baseball, two, basketball. Three, football. Four, volleyball. Five, whiffle. Wiffle ball.

Wiffle ball. Okay, Jackie's initial list. Tom, it's your turn. Basket, bass. Soccer. Soccer. Did you say soccer? Yeah.

Tennis. Bowling. Oh. I'm already, like, these magazines, I shouldn't get my hope so. Because kids love bowling. They love bowling. Kids love to go bowling. It's a fun.

Do you ever do you ever do that? Oh, yeah. We called, yeah, glow in the dark bowling. Yeah, we called it rockin' bowl. I'm sorry. That was always really fun. You got your white socks, the term purple? Yes.

Yeah, that was all right. Did your dads ever get used the, the bumpers when you were really little? We didn't have that in time. No, we didn't have that either. We had the little, but our bowling in St. John's was the little balls. We didn't have the big ones. We had little balls. Five pins.

Yeah. And then we. No, but you know how Fred Flintstone would have the ball with the three fingers in it, you know? Yeah. Like that thing. Yes. You didn't have that at all? No, we had like, the ball was like, well, this is a podcast, but like, you know, like,

yay big. Right, but you never, you didn't have big bowling? Like the size of a cantile. Like a bigger, like a bigger baseball. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. But then you didn't have also the big bowling? No, not a plaza bowl.

They did at, they did at holiday lanes. Okay. But not a plausible. Fun fact, I had a panic attack at holiday lanes. My first panic attack. Because it was your first time with big balls. I don't know if that is a fun thing. pretty stressful, actually.

What sent you into it? Because you could be physical activity. Can send you into a panic attack? I still don't know what caused it. It would be the emotion. It was my birthday. So maybe I was having some kind of birthday. Getting old. Midlife crisis. 28th birthday. I don't have a panic attack on any birthday. I think once you're over the age of 35, you shouldn't even know what exact day your birthday

is. You should just know, like, it's part of a month and what month it is. And then somebody will tell you if they want you to know. Well, I'm going to tell you something. You should enjoy them because when you're dead, then you're going to miss having birthday. Yeah, you're not going to happen at all. You're going to be up in heaven. They don't have birthdays in heaven. Is that true?

They don't. They don't have birthdays in heaven. They'd be a party every day. Every day. It'd be insane. You'd never get the party room. Does that mean we've got to lock it in? It's time to lock it in.

Oh, it's so scary. So Tom, you'll go first. I'm not going to change. I think Donovan should change up his list, but I'm not going to change up mine. don't have any say of that. Basket. My list is my own business. Basket, bass.

Say the ballpark. Soccer. Why isn't he saying the ballpark? Tennis. Bowling. All right. Lock it in. Lock it in, my friend. He's very confident.

Jackie. So I can change it to take someone else's, right? You can steal someone else. You've heard everyone else's list. Now you have to. Now you can say anything else. Once you lock it in, legally, it's over.

Okay, got it. I can't unlock it. It's before the courts at the point. Oh, my God. Okay. So I've made some changes. Okay. But I don't like them, but I feel like I have to do it.

One, baseball. Two, basketball. Yeah. Three, football. Okay. Four, tennis ball. Yeah. And five, I'm going bowling balls.

Yeah. Come on in, buddy. We're going to lock that in, Jackie. Mm-hmm. All right, here we go. Oh, it's locked in. Pretty good. Before the courts now.

Okay. I'm going to say, here we go. I'm going to say. Former Newfoundland Premier Dwight Ball I'm going to say Lucille Ball Lucille Ball Lucille ball

I'm going to say tennis ball basketball soccer ball volleyball football Wow Okay

Lock it in Lock it in Throw away the key You got rid of your abstract kind of edge lord New Year's ball edge lord yeah I did really right down the middle

because I want those benefit magazines and Tom will just put them in the recycling bin Tom don't you dare I'll let you look at them all righty ready to hear the correct answer yes ready oh my god I'm so nervous it's funny how you're feeling your body at this moment is no it's so fun okay hey it's Grayson the big five balls are

soccer ball baseball, tennis ball, basketball, and rugby ball. Oh, wow. Grayson's so European. Yeah, sophisticated. I lie. Oh, Grayson, thank you. So I think a three-way time, maybe, Matt?

What do you think? Just tally in here one second. Wow, Grayson, great list, my friend. Really amazing list and creative list. And he didn't let us get comfortable. And he didn't like chuckle or laugh or, you know, or like be a nervous kid. Right.

You know? Basketball? He was like, got it. Basketball, baseball, soccer ball. Rugby ball. Well, he saw it to the earth. Fergus is great.

In St. John's, the archetype you guys have for hockey players up here, kind of like bro-y, popular guys, you know, that was the rugby players growing up. Is that right? Yeah.

Rugby was a huge sport growing up. And they're thinking about them, they're built like a yield sign. Handsome fellas, you know what they mean, you know? Yes. Yeah. Big shoulders. God, the gals love them.

All right, coming out a round one, Jackie and Donovan each have three, and Tom has four. Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm like a rugby player. You're the rugby player of us. For the Big Five. What did he not say? Did he not say volleyball?

No, he didn't say volleyball. Oh, Grayson. No, Grayson was... And he didn't say football. Oh, great. Soccer, baseball, tennis, basketball, rugby. Grayson, I love you. Thank you, buddy. Great job.

All right, well, that was exciting round one. We'll be right back with round two of the big. Big Five right after this break. What's that noise? I don't know. I get that checked. Quickly. Yeah, good point.

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tires and auto service. Hi, Donovan Woods here. Hey, hey, it's me, Tom Power. We're here to tell you about our brand new podcast. It's called The Big Five. So Donovan, what is the Big Five? Yeah, exactly. What is the Big Five?

That's what the Big Five is all about. Every week, Tom and I will sit down with a special guest and dive into new topics, debating things like, what are the Big Five farm animals? The Big Five types of hat. The Big Five guys named Paul. Martin, Revere, Mezcal, McCartney, John Paul. The debate is settled by a listener from somewhere across the country. It's like a game show.

It is a game show. The Big Five, available now, wherever you get your podcast. It's the Big Five. It's the Big Five. Okay, well, welcome back to the Big Five. It was a great round one. And now we're moving into round two. Keep in mind that we're playing for three vintage details magazines with Ben Affleck on the cover.

Can you give me a little bit one of the things we can find inside one of these magazines? One of their stories are they telling? There's lots of articles from men in there, but men in the early 2000s. Like what are these things? Men were different back now. And for the listeners, they're in precise. steam condition. They look to be hot off the press, these magazines. This is an investigative journalism piece about the women Adam Duritz has dated.

Hey, Courtney Cox, right? I remember reading that article. Courtney Cox, one of the Olsons? Yeah. Wow. He dated one of the Olsons. That seems the dates seem wrong there. You know what? Some of these articles I can't say out of that. Oh, really? Yeah, some of these articles are steamy. Well, I'll be reading them later on tonight and I'll let you know what they all are. Are you spending more than you're making? This is starting to look like magazines you'd find in the woods. Who put them in the woods? I don't know. Like, who?

The older boys. Who had it in your mind to go like... Older fellows. Who went like, you know what? We all got this magazine, hey? Let's put it out in the woods. Because you can't take it to your house. We had out a penthouse magazine that Blair stole from his dad,

and we put it in a Ziploc bag and buried it in a cemetery. And then we would go back. Like every couple of days. Dig it up in a cemetery. Dig it up. There's more. Dig it up. And then take a page.

Fold it up and put in my pockets because you could hide a page. Yeah, you can hide one page. You couldn't hide a whole magazine. Were people grieving near you when you were doing it? No, not that I remember. I can't see what that stuff. You know what?

I wouldn't mind if I was in the ground in that cemetery and that activity was going on around me because it's at least something. Yeah, you're right. There's something going on. There's something going on. You're lying down there, sleep. Yeah. They like it.

Yeah. They like it. They like it. Okay. Tom's in the lead, and we're moving into round two. That's right. Matt, do you have another category for us? Hey, it's Stefan Brogren and I'm a TV producer, director, and actor, and I played snake on to grass.

Oh, my God. My category is the big five slang terms for throwing up. Yeah. Snake! I didn't believe we got a snake. Wow. What a star studded podcast. Wow.

First Grayson and now Snake. So Jackie, since you're the guests, you'll make your open. opening statement this round. Okay. Jackie. Jackie, pressure's on, Jackie. Damn, dude.

Okay. One hurl. Oh, yeah. Classic. Two, puke. Puk. Yep. Three, yak.

Oh. Little outside the box. Four. Barf. Classic. Yeah. Five, spew. Spue.

If you're going to spew, spew into this. Spew. That's a classic. Yeah, Wayne's World. Yes. Spoo. Yack, I don't know yak.

Is it real or did I imagine it? Yeah, it's real. It's very, I don't know, it sounds very Gen X to me. My mom would be like, are you going to yak? Yeah? And were you going to? No. Maybe, I don't know.

Throw up. I think throw up is what I'd say for all of it. Yeah. But is that slang or is that just a euphemism? For vomiting. Yeah. Yeah. There's all the funny ones.

Remember, like, my buddies knew that we were kids. We used to say like the colorful yawn. We used to do that kind of stuff. Oh, I never heard that one. Yeah, the colorful yawn. That was the thing we used to say when we were in school. and like, colorful yon.

You know? It's so gross. And, you know, we're literally never heard that. Worshiping the something, you know, porcelain god. Yeah.

Yeah. Talking, my dad said talking on the big white telephone. Okay. Which is, yeah, that's slang for throwing up. He's talking to,

he's talking to the big white telephone. I would do that. He's in there talking to the big white telephone. I would do anything than throw up. I would get, I would feel ill. These people who are like, I feel relief.

Oh, I love to throw up. If I need, if I'm even close to throw up, I go, get it done because I'm going to throw it. I won't throw up. I won't do it. I won't do it. I'll ride in agony rather than throw it. You should go throw up. I don't like it. Dude, just throw up right now. It sounds like you've got it really pent up. Years and years. It comes up for like eight minutes.

Go throw up. But do you remember how hilariously commonplace it was in elementary school for all of us to just be bribing all the time? No one would bat an eye. We were sitting in class and I remember this girl name. Yeah. I'm not going to say her last name. Emma, she's probably married. Emma. Her last name is either Doyle or power. Emma.

And we were just sitting in class one day. She just went, like she just threw up in class, on herself, on the floor. In class. Who's next? Tom, let's get your opening five. Hurling. Spewing. Hurl.

Ralph. Spute. Oh, Ralph. Ralph. Ralph. Ralph. Pukbarf. I love that the first three were present participles

Huck, barf. Hurl spew, It was hurling, spewing, then it was Ralph Yeah, it should be hurling, spewing, ralphing. Where does Ralph come from? Is it automatic peek? Yeah, I think exactly, exactly. You know what, I think it's fantastic.

And Ralph is fun. And barf is probably that too. And barf. Imagine saying that to someone now, Jackie was over here last night and she ralphed. Like, as a grown human in 2020, I would love that. If someone said this to me, I'd be like, yeah, dude.

I know what you're talking about. That's so sick. We had scampy and Jackie ate the scampy, and she ralphed. I would be devastated if I wasted the money of the scampi on ralphang. You know, Jackie, right? Last night, she was over here. She ralphed. That's so fun to say.

Or like sadly, like, have we been talking to Jackie today? Oh, she was a bit sick last night. She ralved last night. She sadly ralphed. She sadly ralphed. Sadly she ralphed. Sadly. Sadly.

Unfortunately, unfortunately she Ralph. Get a text. It texted. I heard you Ralph last night. Are you feeling better? Heard you Ralph. I got to squash this rumor right away.

Yeah. Instagram story. I did not Ralph last month. Getting out ahead of this. I did not Ralph. A lot of people have been saying online that I Ralph. And I didn't. Anyone who knows me knows that I don't Ralph.

I may spew occasionally. Pew. Okay, I'm going to say, I'm going to say puke, barf. I'm going to say puke, barf, because those are a classic. Yeah. Those are. And if puke is, because I noticed when we were talking to them, we said puke and barf. Yes.

They come so naturally. Bread and butter in this category. Puk, barf. We're talking about Stefan Brogren. Yeah, you got to think about his generation. Yeah, he's going to want spew or hurl in there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because of the Wingswell Association. Yeah. I'm going to say puke, barf, spew, and then I'm going to say blow chunks. Do you remember saying? Oh, yeah, of course. That old chestnut. And he's a funny guy. He has a sense of humor.

I can see. I can see blow chunks being in there. Pute barf, spew, blow chunks. Big white telephone, that one. And I think talking to the big white tell. I mean, something like that. Pray into the porcelain God. Pray into the porcelain.

I will say, I've never heard of the phone one. I'm going to say talking to the big word. Did you know the colorful yawn? Did you know that one? I've never in my life. I don't know if anyone here does. Has anyone here heard the colorful yawn? Have you ever heard of the Technicolor yawn?

The Technicolor yon. Yeah. You know? They didn't have the word technicolor in Newfound. We were waiting for it. We were waiting for it. Didn't get there until 1999. We's called the black and white yawn.

The sepia yawn. Talking to the big white telephone. It is more sepia than puke, parf, spew, blow, chunks. Sepia. Yeah. Is it sepia? Oh, you know what? There is, rich.

Oh, yeah, to wretch. Oh, yeah. Rich. Let me just make sure we're not missing any other ones. Rich. Rich. Rich. Ralph, throw up.

Just to ask. Is vomit, would any snake say vomit is one of the things? I feel like it's, I think it's the technical one. I think vomit is too medical to be slang, no? I think it's the real way to say it. Yeah. But I would say we started at throwing up. So it's alternates to throwing up.

That's all. Okay, okay. To be fair. Maybe snakes. What's Matt trying to tell us right there? He's trying to tell us that vomit might be in there. Snake said vomit. I'm saying it's eligible.

Hmm. I wouldn't say that. He was taller than all the other degrassy people. He was. He had a lot of feet on him. He's not got to do with anything. Point that out. He was.

And every picture, he was towering above everybody else. He's still quite tall, isn't he? He's still quite a tall individual. Six five. Wow. Six five. That's not. out the top of your head? Yeah, they're friends. He worked on to Grassie.

Oh, oh, I see. Okay. You've got an inside scoop on everyone's ice. They both know drink. I had a snake and, no, that's a question. I wonder, I wonder how Snake and Drake got along. Yeah, yeah. Snake and Drake. Snake and Drake. Great. Snake and great. That's what Matt says. Couldn't be a more interesting question. And that says, great. Basically sums it up. Everything you're going to get out of Matt. They got along. Great. Great. That's scooping. What was a scoop?

Scoop and ball. Scoop and wiffle. Whiffle and scoop? Wiffle and snake and drink. Ritch. I can't think of any other ones. No. It was the last time we threw up?

I very rarely throw up. I never throw up from drinking. I'd say 10 years. Oh, wow. Are you kidding me? No. You really don't like barfing. You got to barf tonight.

What does that sound mean? That's the sound of me, puking. That is the end of the rat. That's what's going on in time. That's what's going on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.

You got a puke, dude. Matt, sorry, I didn't mean to ignore your... Yeah, we ignored the alarm. You know who never do that? Snake and Drake. That means we got to lock it in. Oh, dear. Oh, I don't want to be first.

Okay. I'm going to say blow chunks. I'm going to put blow chunks in mine because I'm a risk taker, unlike Tom, who just does all the safe choices and wins. Blow chunks, puke, barf, hurl, and I'm going to do talking to the big white telephone.

Because I think this thing... It's nice for your dad, too. I think it's nice. Yeah. Give them both. Throw them on my phone. There you go, Doug. On the next day. He's proud.

So blow chunks, puke, barf, hurl, talking to the big white telephone. Should we lock it in? Yeah, lock it in. Thank you. It's good that we got it looked in. Ah, man, that snake and vomit is messing with me. Yeah, that is a wrench.

What are you talking about? That it could, vomit could be one of the... That it's eligible. Oh, it's not going to be vomit. but obviously I don't know I'm not very good at this game I've never once won All right cool

Hurl spew Hurling spewing Rulhing Puking Buking Lock it in Lock it in

Lock it in Oh my God He locked it in All right Jorgh Spoo Ralph Puk I should have said

Voment You know what I might be like Tom here and be really kind of Some I'm going to say Voment though All right no no

I'm going to do it And I was going to change out YAC for Ralph But I'm going to keep it I'm going to keep it because I think it's a very That generation So that's brave Hurl

Puk Yack Barf and Spew And Spue I like that I'm going to lock it in What is snakes That's your same list of

Yeah Wow We're about to find out how snake Describes vomiting An inside look into the inner workings Of his mind and stomach When I used to watch that show I'd always be like

I wonder what this guy calls throwing up But he must have said it on the show at least a couple times because there's so much drugs and alcohol. He was like, Joey, don't spew. Yeah, yeah. Joey. Kaylin. Spike, don't spew.

Everyone's just on the range. Shane, don't spew. Everyone's about to speak. What an episode. Avelds his uncle. Don't spew. Yick, don't do it. Don't spew, baby.

Don't spill. The weird twins, don't spew. Love people don't know about that episode. Joey, don't puke. Wheels, don't spew. Everybody was the only one not spewing. Every was about to spear. Arthur, Arthur, don't do it, don't spew.

Stefan didn't spew. All right, here we go. Well, hello again. It's Stefan Brogren. What's he going to say? The big five slang terms for throwing up are, oh my God. Blow chunks.

Spew. Yes. Vom. Pearl. Varm. Barth. Oh. Did Donovan finally win around?

No, I don't even think I did. By the way, I love. Did he not say puke? That's crazy to me. Blow chunks. What did he say? I was wondering about Vom. The kids say VOM.

Yes. Vom. That's funny. He's, don't make me Vom. Matt was telling us that Vom was in it. He's not always telling us.

Arthur, don't spew. Meals, don't blow chants. Joe, don't bomb. Why is that so funny? I'm imagining them all in a field, like every character in the air.

And why is he telling them not to do it? He doesn't want to see it, dude. He doesn't want to see it. And because it's heat. It's heat. It's heat to vom. Yick, don't, don't feel it. You don't pugh. You don't pugh.

Okay, in that round, Spike, don't spoo. You each got three points. Which means Tom a one point lead into round three. And remember, points in round three are doubled. So it's still anyone's game. Tom can still lose.

What? Yeah. Double points in three. What an amazing round. Incredible stuff. Blow chunks. One of the few bright spots of my record on the Big Five. I'm happy for you for that, because you've been saying, you know, that you're not the top of this field.

I appreciate you saying that, yeah. And I said Blow Chunks right from the beginning. Yeah, it was like your first instance. What a great round. We'll be back in one moment with round three. Final round. Oh. That Big Five theme had a bit of a Russian feel.

Exciting to hear. We're back with Round three. Round two taught us the slang words for throwing up and featured Snake from. Degrassi, whose name is also Stefan. And right now we're sitting with Jackie has six points. I have six points. And Tom has seven points. In the lead with seven points. Tom, an excellent

big five player, maybe the best in the world. Considering we're the only people who have ever played this game. But no doubt you have to consider. Six and seven are very close together. Yeah, they are very close together. Not close enough. And the round, and the points are doubled in this round, so anything can happen. Tom can still lose. And remember, we're playing for three vintage details magazines,

all with Ben Affleck on the cover. Are they all Affleck? Yeah, but very different. I'm a Stiller. No, all Ben Affleck. Wow. You think we're playing Big Five Benz and we're not, buddy. It's all about Ben Affleck. All right, round three, we've got to decide this thing.

We've got to make Tom lose. Matt, can we have another category, another listener? Hi, this is Jenny. I'm 43. I'm an arts administrator and artist in Ottawa. And my category is the Big Five Paintings. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm so uncultured.

I love paintings. Okay. Oh, wow. For the final round, Tom, you list your opening five first. Wow. Followed by Donovan and Jackie. Tom, do you even know five paintings? I am worried that I don't.

You're going to be like, the mural of Peter Zosky at the CBC. It doesn't count, dude. And I kiss every morning. So the Mona Lisa. Well, it's got to be on there, right? Starry Night. I just saw Starry Night. Not a week and a half.

How big is it? How big is it? It's a radio show. How big is it? It's like, I would say, like a big computer monitor. Three feet by two feet. They're always small. I heard the Mona Lisa's really small. The Mona Lisa is like about a foot and a half by a foot and a half. Wow. Yeah, it's not very big. Did you go to see it in the Louvre? I've seen the Mona Lisa. What's it like when to see it in real life? There's a lot of people. You can't really get to the front of it unless you really advocate for yourself. You can't see it up close.

You got to be confident. Can you wait in line for a long time and you get to see it? No, it's like pushing and shoving basically. I like to see it. Yeah. Starry night. Mona Lisa. Whistler's mother. What is Whistler's mother? I have that one too. What is that? She's a grumpy old girl and she's sitting in a chair looking grumpy from the side.

Yeah, Whistler's mother. Yeah, portrait of Whistler's mother, yeah. By Whistler. Yeah, I'm not even saying that. It's his mom and she's wearing a white bonnet. Mr. Bean dressed up as her. Mr. Bean. That's, oh, now we...

It was stolen from the museum in Mr. Bean. I'm going for the big five paintings. I'm not going for eight. Now we see. I would love to name. some Tom Thompson here, some Lauren Harris, all that stuff, but I can't. I don't know the names, yeah. American Gothic, guy with the pitchfork, his wife, and scream.

Yeah, yeah. Scream. Those are good. All right, Donovan, you're up next. Oh, I don't want to be next. It was so hard to be first. Yeah. That's a nerve racket first.

You did a good job too. Oh, my God. Hey, don't pump his tires. He's going out with these magazines. That's all he needs. You're right, Jackie. You're right. Okay.

I'm going to say Mona Lisa, Starry Night. Those are the two. The scream. I'm going to say sunflowers. The sunflower. Is that called sunflowers? It's called sunflowers. But did you know this?

There's five of them. There's five of those. Oh. There's some with a different color background. And there's one in Philadelphia. It has a green background. And it's quite nice, actually. Oh, there's five sunflowers paintings.

I thought you meant there's five sunflowers in the painting. No, there's five sunflower of paintings. And the most famous one is yellow sunflowers on a yellow background. Right. In the vase. That's the one I know. That's in the national gallery. But certainly someone in his life was like,

They're all in a vase. They're all in a vase. You go to see paintings when you go on the road, right? I look at a lot of paintings. Why do you do that? Okay, well, let's be real. It's a wonderful place to go to the bathroom because you're on a bus on night long and you get off the bus and sometimes the venue's not open.

So you've got to find somewhere to go to the bathroom. So what are we talking here? Quiet, private. Very private. Nobody in there at all. Probably doors to go down to the floor. Very clean. Always very clean.

Bliss. and find a bathroom up there. And I bet it's nice. Nice way to spend your day. It is. It's lovely. I walk through the gallery. I don't have anybody with me so I can go as fast as I like.

Yeah. But one time I did the, I did a museum in Charlotte. And when I came out, the woman said, that's the fastest I've ever seen anybody go through it. And I was like, do I get a button or anything? Did she catch you on your way up to the bathroom? She would have seen me leave to go to the bathroom. But I did look at the paintings. And to be honest with you, it just sucked.

The museum kind of suck. Mona Lisa, Starry Night, the Scream, Sun. flowers. And then what's like the most famous Rockwell one? The doctor? I'm going to say the one. You can't write down the one with the, you know. Oh, you can't. Well, you can, if you can

communicate. If you can describe it. Okay. Okay, what's the one of the diner at night? Oh, with all the selects? Nighthawks at the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's by Richard. Yeah, nighthawks. That one is very famous. Yes, that's right. But really

American famous, not everywhere. So was Whistler's mother, to be fair. Edward Hopper. Edward Hopper, that's right. Is that one like a respected? What about the one that's Salvador Dali, that's the dripping clock? Yeah, I was thinking about that. Resistance of memory.

I'm going to say that. Matt, you really know you? I'm going to say. I'm going to say, I did art history. Mona Lisa's Starry Night, Screams, Sunflowers, and Persistence of Memory. A major? Was that your major? Oh, no.

It was minor. But it stuck. It sounds like it stuck. Or he heard it recently because he listened to the answer. as well. You're Jerry Orbach in Law & Order. You are. The best person to ever be in it.

You're drinking coffee by taking the lip. Remember you to take the lid off the coffee and drink it? I do that. I do that because of him. That's a true story. I do that because I'm... When I get like a Tim Horton's coffee, I'll take the lid off and drink it and put the lid back on.

And you do that because of Jerry Robbins. I thought it was so cool doing it. I think it's... What's funny about men is that if you like, pretty much everything they do is based on something they saw a cool guy doing. Which is true that I see like a guy like I see the other day I saw a guy wearing a full white cover all his jumpsuit and I was like I don't do that. Was it covered in paint splashes? Because I love that love that look. I bought this hat because you had a corduroy hat last time I saw you. Yeah. Yeah. That's all you do. You are all but echoes of each other. All coming up things. Jackie. Jackie, you're opening five. Well, I'm not reinventing the wheel here. Okay. One, I think it's called Neptune eating his son. Yeah. Yes. Who is that?

Is it Neptune? And that was Goya or Goya? Goya? Yes. Oh my gosh. I think it's so scary. Saturn devouring his son. Sorry, Saturn.

So Saturn devouring his son. I didn't realize how peckish he was. Whistler's mother. I got that. Monalisa. I can't believe there's a painting called Whistler's mother that I don't know. She's on. Can I look at a picture of it?

You should see her, yeah. You know that thing where the TV blows the guy? die away. Yes. It's like that. It's like that. It's exactly like that. No word of a lot of this is the first time I've ever seen.

Really? I never encountered it. It's interesting what we are exposed to. I think it's because of Mr. Bean for me and Jackie. It's definitely that for me. And I didn't watch Mr. Bean. But also I heard this really amazing. Because that was cool in high school.

You didn't? You played rugby. Yeah. So Saturn and Devouring is Sun Whistler's mother, Mona Lisa. I put Dally's clocks. I'll put the persistence of memory. Daly's clocks.

And then Starry Night, so basic of me, but come on. Because it's the Don McLean song. Starry's story. It's also just a great painting. I'm a big Van Gogh guy, but it is a great, really. It is. It's very whims of goth. It's very, like, melancholy.

I'm glad we all say Van Gogh, though. Yeah. See, there's also that Gustav Klimt one that's very popular. What with the girl and the guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the girl's shorter. Yeah. And there's really, the really popular Mark Rothko ones that people, and Jackson Pollock,

these are big paintings. Oh, yeah. You don't know their names. All of Pollux ones are just numbers, but there would be no way. I don't think it could be that. Paint splash cover of. You don't say like Van Gogh or something like that? Goff.

No, I don't say that. Oh, yeah. Elliot says Van Gogh. Yeah. Oh. Because the British say that. I might start saying that because I like Elliot. It's fun. Gough, goff, goff.

What does that sound mean, man? It means. It means stop this. It's time to lock it in. We go in reverse order, of course. So we've got to lock it in with Jackie first. Oh, dear. Okay. Oh boy. I am

I'm taking out Saturn because as cool as it is, I don't, it's kind of like a gene gauh. What does that look like? I don't know. I can't put you on. It's terrifying. It's one of the scariest paintings I think I've ever seen, which I while I like that. It's one of those 3D paintings. You got to uncross your eyes and you see this shape. You know, I've never seen that. It's never worked for me. I can't do that.

People with super smell can't see it. Oh, I would trade it. I would trade every smell I've ever smelled to see a dolphin popping out of a blue background. All right, Jackie. All right, Jackie. Okay. It's pretty much the same as my first one, one swap out. So one, American Gothic.

Two, Whistler's mother. Three, Mona Lisa. Say it like Barbara Streisand? Whistle's mama. Four, persistence of memory. And five, starry night. And I'll lock that in. If she says Whistler's mother, I'm going to be, because I've never even seen that.

I feel like I'm waking up from a coma or something. You're a gaslighting you into Whistler's money. You got to get me out of here. Whistler's mother's trying to kill me. they're hanging people they're hanging mothers all right we're lock out of dead lock it in it

can't change it now I don't want the game to be I'm so saying the game's almost you know only three rounds I know all right Donovan okay I'm gonna say Mona Lisa

whistle's mother I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna say what's the mother because I've never seen it before and honestly I don't think it's that important of a painting I think you guys just like Mr. Bean I think it says more about you guys

that it does about the history of art. Okay. Mona Lisa, Starry Night, the scream, sunflowers. Yeah, it's good one. It's too Van Gogh.

I say it like that now. No, it's cool to say. I'm going to stick, I think I'm going to stay. Mona Lisa Starry Night, the scream, sunflowers, and persistence of memory. That's a good list.

That's right. That's what I think. I've got regrets now. She's an art historian. She's going to have better opinions than me. I know that. It's something we never heard. of.

Better not. Good of what I've heard of. I've heard of maybe five paintings. Better not, Jenny. Locking that in? I lock it in, yeah. Ooh. Tom.

I regret it. I am caught on whether to drop Whistler's mother for sunflowers. If I could go back in time, I would drop Whistler's mother for the screen. That's what I'm regretting. Unfortunately, we can't go back. You're locked in? You're locked in. I know.

I know. I know. But one can lament. Starry Night. Mona Lisa. American Gothic. Scream. You say American Gothic?

Starry Night, Mona Lisa, American Gothic, scream. I'm going to say Sunflowers. If she says Whistler's mother, and this makes me lose, I'm going to lose my mind. Sunflowers, lock it in. Lock it in.

Oh, wow. I'm so excited. If she says Whistler's mother, I don't know what I'm going to do. There's no way she's going to say that. I'm going to pop a bottle of champagne if she says Whistler's mother. Oh, geez.

Mr. Bean, what have you done to me? Ready to hear? Oh, my God. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, all right, all right. Hey, it's Jenny. So, to my own personal and professional, dismay and disappointment, the big five paintings are the Mona Lisa by Leonardo da Vinci.

Oh, okay. Starry Nike. Oh, my Vincent Van Gogh. Yes. Or Van Gogh. Yes. The scream. Yes.

Yes. The kiss. Gustav Klim. But certainly, not least, dogs playing poker. No. I'm thinking of that. Of course. That's why she's disappointed.

Dogs playing poker is of course. Of course. But you know, she didn't say Whistler's mother. No, she's never even heard of that pain. But she said it was to her dismay. So maybe she wishes Whistler's mother was on there. She's listen, if it's up to me, all five would be Whistler's mother. Can we message her and ask her?

I can't believe the kiss. Ask if she's ever heard of Whistler's mother. and if so, what she thinks of it. Just say thoughts on Whistler's mother. All right, so in the final round, because points were doubled, Jackie got four points, Donovan got six points,

Tom got six points, Tom wins. 13. Undefeated. Lord above. Undefeated. Undefeated, yet again. One point.

Good God. See, look at these old magazines. There's three vintage details, magazine. Tom wins the jubble. Tom wins the cover. I was going to choose one and read a little bit right now. Oh, they're so glossy.

Yeah, they're so glossy. Surfer Girl, your cyberspace cadet guides you to the best news sites on the web. Well, Tom is the winner. He's leafing through the beautiful magazines. Is it making you rethink the game? Are you going to start, like, Pete Rosenet? Are you starting to feel like you should change the game? No, I know that I'll beat you eventually.

And when I do, I'll do it on my own terms. Yeah. It's your arc. Jackie, thank you for coming to be on the work. Thank you. You know what? And it was a really treat to, uh, use my brain.

Yeah, it's nice. What a treat. Thank you so much. It was so much fun. Thank you. Thanks for doing it. Much appreciated. Thank you for coming on.

We'll have you back someday. I'm sure you can play the Big Five again. I'd love it. I'm sure that you're as addicted to it as Tom and I are, even though Tom wins every day. Thank you for listening. Remember, if you want to be part of the show, the Big Five, you can decide what the category is for one of our Big Five rounds.

You can drop us an email at The Big Five pod at gmail.com. There's no numbers in that. Spell out the word five. The Big Five Pod at Gmail. F-I-V-E. That's right. And we'll put it in the show notes. And hopefully you can submit a great category. And so come back for future episodes of the Big Five.

Tom, Matt, and I, and a special guest will be deciding once and for all what the Big Five, I don't know, breakfast cereal is or... Four Flakes? Big Five types of door. Oh, yeah. Trapped door. Trapped door right away. Big Five slang for nose. Snows.

Bugle. Beak. Oh, I've got a real bugle on me. Big Five types of door. Trap door. Trap door. That's the only one I got. Front?

Um, car door. Barn door. Barn door. Barn door. Yeah. Flane door. French door. There's a lot of doors.

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