The Debrief - Beauty Treatments Gone WRONG | The Debrief Podcast

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Welcome back to The Debrief! On this weeks episode we are talking all about beauty treatments gone wrong! The good, the bad and indeed the ugly... As always remember to email us at [e-mail] with any debriefs or dilemmas or DM us @the.debriefpodcast Have an amazing week, Lots of love, K+K xx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the D-Berry with your co-host Katie McNeil and co-host Katie Leitch. Thank you so much for joining me today on the sofa, Katie. Thank you so much. It's an absolute pleasure to be here. I'm really glad you're here. Can you tell me how long it took you to get here? Did you take private travel? Lovely. I did. I took private travel. I had a really nice time. You know, it's just been so exciting for you to come on the show. Thanks. Thank you. No worries. Thank you.

Look at the people here. You don't have to cry guys. It's okay. Gosh, I've been planning this episode for weeks. Wow. So glad to have you. Thank you. And that is what creatives do. We improv in the moment. We play off each other and we see what happens. Yeah. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I want you in my room. Happy fucking Monday. Happy fucking Monday. Yeah. Someone's in a good mood. Hell yeah. Sun's out. bum's out. Sun's out, bum's out. Would you like it if I walked around like with my ass out constantly? I'd love that. Yeah, thought so.

I, okay, so beauty treatments for the summer. I'm gonna get my hair done again. Yeah. Probably get my eyelashes tinted. I wanna get my eyelashes tinted. Death toenails done. Yeah. Don't have time to start laser before the summer, so I'll do it during the winter.

Yeah. Might get a facial. Although the sun's doing quite well for me face at the moment. I really want a hydrofacial. Yeah. Yeah. I really want a hydrofacial and I really want to get an LVL and I'd really like a pedicure. I've got my pedicure at the moment. Really want a pedicure. I've got my pedicure at the moment.

Really want a pedicure. Well that's what I'll get. I'll renew a pedicure before Bali. Get the hair done. Yeah. Nails done. Eyelashes. LVL.

I kind of want my extensions back. My eyelash extensions. Oh eyelashes. Oh fine, I thought hair also never has extensions. I kind of want eyelash extensions. You look really good with them. I love them. Do you know because I think I did them to death.

I became the equivalent of a lip filler addict, but it was good with them. I love them. I did them to death. I became a the equivalent of a lip filler addict. But it was that with eyelashes. I was like that when I was younger. Just kept getting longer and longer and longer and thicker and thicker and thicker. And I was like, they're not that and they were that. So I think because I got obsessed with them. And now I've spent a fortune on growing my eyelashes. Oh, yeah, with my eyelash serum. I'm like, stick with these babies. Yeah. But you really suit them. I love them. And the way the wispy ones you got were beautiful. I felt beautiful when I had them on. More like bambi. And I'd wake up and I'm like, oh, who me? Just with my eyelashes? Oh my God, I loved it. But

the problem is, is that you get addicted. You get so addicted. You do get addicted because when they come off you're like... Naked more at. Yeah. I literally have never felt uglier than when my eyelash extensions came off. So when I was in sixth form, I went through, I got them done religiously for about a year and a half. Wow. And when they'd start...

Would they wispy? They... well, so they used to be the classic Russian like really thick and then I started getting wispy and then I started going on to classics I thinned out because I think all the girls had like the Russian so I got the Russians and it's funny I look back in when I had them at the time oh I thought I was hot shit so I was hot shit and then I look at photos and I'm like maybe not maybe not Maybe not. Hey, but the classics I got, I love. Once you got, when you went to Canada, they were Bambay. They were beautiful. They were

more long like at the end and they weren't really like the middle, but like the inner eye. It was more like the tiny, tiny middle, middle, out, out. I felt so beautiful. And I literally like, it was the most I've ever paid for eyelash extensions. 20 quid. Yeah, I actually might have been more. I literally was like, it was this place that I fell into the trap that it was in Chelsea and I saw them like go viral on tik tok and I was like, why not? I'm going And then I was like, I want to start getting in fills that and the infills were like 80 quid. And I was like, but why not? I'm going and then I was like, I want to start getting infills that and the infills were like 80 quid and I was like, this is ridiculous. I

even paid for the last extensions in the first place. You would have died. I was so upset because I felt beautiful. Yeah, of course you would have. Like the bell of the ball. Bell of the ball. I'm the beautiful one. Yeah, for sure. Are you ready? I'm ready. What's your mantra? My mantra for this week is again to do with the podcast episode. Hell yeah. The topic. So beauty begins the moment I choose to be myself.

Oh, I'll cry. That's so sweet. When I'm sitting goofy, fall in love with me just silly goofy oh my god beauty begins the mirror I choose to be myself peach I love that and if that means showing the full kitty making you experience fuck

because look let's be honest there'll be a few people not many a few people out there What that won't be a fan of me won't buy into the kitty experience? Yeah, the day I was shocked ops But the majority when they see the real deal She like million dollar idea Yeah, yeah, tell me your mantra. My mantra, I am excited for all life has to offer me. Yes. Yes.

So I was waiting for a bit like the ones that I do. I'm excited for life all has to offer me in this comma. And then because I am so grateful that I'm living my life to the fullest potential and so happy. Thank you. I always add a little bit extra on. so happy. Thank you. I've been listening to these like, so there's a the subliminals, you know, I say I listen to subliminals and I go to sleep, which are like high frequency sounds, and they have mantras up like a so quiet, but when you sleep it like logs in your subconscious, proper woo woo. There's also a woman that

does these positive affirmations. Now every morning I leave the house at 5am for work. And the walk from our flat to the train station is about like 15 minutes. So like when I walk, I put in this daily affirmation thing, it's 15 minutes worth of affirmations. And you have to you hear it first and then you say it out loud. God forbid people are around that time of morning because I'm literally walking down, walking down the residential streets going, I am enough. I'm excited for all life has to offer me. The fox is like, I literally was dying. This is so off topic, but when you said foxes made me think of something. What animal? Okay, we can't have Charlotte because we're on land. Yeah. He actually saw you, but I'm scared

because I asked the group, there's the consensus of the group in Devon didn't really give me because I was with the Griffiths. Oh, she said a swan and Charlotte said a cat. So I was thinking this isn't really the vibe. I was saying, because we were on the beach at the time. I was like, if a bear came out of the water, this is why you should have been there. If a bear came out of the water and was like, I'd be like, now I am scared. I saw bears in Canada and I'm like, they're big fucking boys. Grizzlies. They're scary looking. They look so cuddly, but they're not. They're not cuddly. Yeah. But like that or my first thing. Yes, faster than you think. Really? Yeah. I would also say if I saw a wolf, I think I'd be a bit

scared if I saw a wolf. Yeah, I'd probably be a bit scared. I don't think I if I saw a bear, I'd be like, fuck. Yeah, if I saw a wolf, I'd be like, yeah, I think first of all, if I'd be like, is it a dog? I don't think I'd immediately be like, husky. And then it might get close to my wolf. But if I saw a bear, no, I'd be like, okay, Bear, I'm like, gotta go, gotta run. Have you seen ostriches? They can be a man. Ostriches, I'd be scared.

I'd love to go on a safari, but I'd be scared to see an elephant in the real life world. It's a rhino for me. Because again, I would love to pet an elephant, but like one false move and it'll squish you. Might think your hair's a carrot or something. And try and eat me. Yeah, that wouldn't be nice. I wouldn't enjoy that. I think you're like full grown carrot. It'd be like, Oh my god, this carrot has the best arse I've ever seen. Gotta get on that. He'd be like, thank you.

Right. Oh my god. Thanks, girl. So have you seen Archie and I go to the monkey sanctuary when we go to Bali? Oh my god. The monkey sanctuary, they take the selfies. Like you put your arm out and then the monkeys put their hand on the phone to make it look like they do the selfies. I was like, stop it. You need to send me that picture right away.

You know I will. You know I will. Archie fucking terrified of the monkeys. Archie will be so scared. The monkeys! you know I will. Aren't you fucking terrified of the monkeys? Oh, she will be so scared. I'll need daily updates actually. Like I personally when you go away, yeah, I would like a message at the end of the day telling me. So I woke up at this time we went there, you know, it was really good. I could sum up my day. Had this for breakfast. You know,

I could send you daily photos of why not? I would love that so you could just kind of feel like you're in uber with me Yeah, I would love that. I would really love that. So i'll be sat here fucking by myself Owning that house. Yeah. Oh, i'm gonna be so miserable. I'll be mommy. Yeah, um, should we two songs. Yeah, my song is he isn't she lovely He isn't she Wonderful isn't she lovely by Stevie Wonder Oh banging Yeah, isn't isn't she lovely isn't she lovely

Putting plug in your ears and thing. Oh, It is such a banger, isn't it? Tell me your song. My song is... So I don't feel like dancing when the hours are ready by Come on, let's just dance Let's just dance Get in and out and let's love Let's just dance

I don't feel like dancing No sir, no dancing today Don't feel like dancing Yeah, what? Banger, banger, banger. I was literally walking to work, the sun was fucking shining. And I was like, and this song came on shuffle. So life can't get fucking better than this. It's such a good song. Do you know what else is a great song that I thought of the other day that was like I

haven't heard this in a while. Do you know what else is a banger? Yeah. Is that weirdo with five colors in her hair. Oh my god that McFly. I fucking love McFly. She's got a mew mew mew mew mew mew mew meh meh meh meh meh meh meh meh meh meh meh meh What a tune. What a tune. Right, Rekka's.

My Rekka Rekka Rekka recommendation is Attis. Fucking Attis man. And I actually am unsure if we've had this before. What is Attis? Attis is a salad bar. Oh. They've just opened one in Wandsworth, but they've also have one in Notting Hill. Now I work in Notting Hill and on a good day, it's expensive,

but it's worth every single penny. It is the best salad I will ever have in my entire life. It's a London thing. It is a London thing. Attis salad bar, and you can have a look at that. It is so yummy. Where do you get them? There's one in Notting Hill, but they've just opened one in Wandsworth. Why have I never been to that? We should go. This looks like a bit of me. It is a bit of you. It's

so yummy. Sweet potato. Also, this is going to be another recommendation. Have you ever had jalapeno hummus? No. Stop it. I feel like I'd like it though. Stop it. I love hummus. And jalapenos. In Daven, Ohchi's family bought these jalapeno hummus because they're a big fan. I was like, Hey guys, hit me with this.

What's a jalapeno hummus? Yeah. Try a bit. I was like, my life has been changed. I had it on toast. Stop. I had it with veggies. Oh yum. I was like my life has been changed. I had it on toast. I was like this is sensation. Love it. Shall we? Yes. Let's debrief. So this week on the debrief, we're talking all about beauty disasters. Now, as women, we all know too well about wanting to get beauty treatments, my hydrofacial, for example.

And sometimes they don't turn out the way we expected. Now, have you ever had a beauty treatment done and it go wrong? Two things came to my head. So obviously earlier we were talking about eyelash extensions, and I was religious for an eyelash extension. For me, what you say? I probably started in my last year of school, then all of Mountview. So two years, maybe? When I was at Mountview, I had a severe allergic reaction to them. And I thought, how odd, I've never had a real allergic reaction to eyelashes before. I'll just go again. Oh my god, 10 times. I was in denial. I was like, I need my eyelashes. So bad that I'd wake up, couldn't see out

my eyes, they were crusty on these bloody lids. My lids were like, you couldn't even see, you know how you can see where the eyelashes lids were like you couldn't even see you know how you can see where the eyelashes are put on. You couldn't even see my lid it was so swollen. These eyelashes were like sticking out. So that was the disaster. Another disaster was hair extensions. Never again. And if you're a religious debriefer listener, you will know this, but I had hair extensions for about a year. I wouldn't say any longer. They were long. They were long, long, long.

Princess hair. Long, princess locks. Beautiful. I felt absolutely beautiful, but they were, gosh, too expensive. Anyway, I was like, I need to get them out. I started noticing like it was putting my hair, so I was like, I'm gonna get it out, get it out. Anyway, they kept got out and the hairdresser was like, Oh my gosh, do you have alopecia? I was like, what? Sorry. So you've got loads of like bald patches on your skull like with hair. Sorry what? I bald my eyes out. Absolutely bald my eyes out. Went home and like she was right.

Like it took out chunks. Taking out chunks of my hair. I had some tuff underneath. I was like, oh my god. And I'm lucky now because my hair's quite long. Yeah, yeah. But it took a long time to get it long and thick. It was wispy.

And I was like, I will never do this again. So beauty treatment gone wrong. You never ever go anywhere near the extension. Yeah, never ever. How about you? One comes to mind when I was in sixth form. I went through, I used to get my eyebrows done and my eyelashes done. They were like my two things. And I used to get my eyebrows tinted and waxed. And I got them, I tried a new place near me because my usual lady couldn't fit me in and I was like, I must get my eyebrows done. And I got them waxed and tinted and I think she left the tint on for too long because they weren't black. Like I had black eyebrows. And like I am a pale ginger woman who at most has like light brown

eyebrows. I don't have ginger eyebrows that I would say they're like light brown. So for them to go black was crazy. I cried and I was literally like, and I also like my parents always used to make jokes when I get them done anyway, because they'd be like, why did you do this? And that was when they were just a little bit more brown. These I was like, I look like the woman from Chicken Run. I literally, they were like block. Oh my God, it was so bad.

And I was literally trying to find like, I was rubbing it with oil because apparently that breaks down the dye. But I was genuinely- Oh, trying to get it out. Oh, chef to genuinely school. Yeah. Oh, my sociology teacher. No, no was like, what's wrong with your eyebrows? And I was literally like, you would have blocked and I was like, Oh my god. And I loved my sociology teacher. And I was like, sorry, they're so ugly. And then he made a joke about putting a bag over my head in class to stop distracting all

the other people. And I was like, and he's a bit of a legend. So I was like, you know what, like, I'll let you slide with this one. But if it was anyone else, I would have cried. But it was bad. It took like a good week for them to fully die down. Niamh It was a risky one. Like my sister got hers done. My sister's got quite like thick hair, thick eyebrows, thick lashes. Like she's got just really, really thick hair. And they completely plucked her eyebrows into like 90s brows. Sarah Oh my god. Niamh Thin as fuck. Sarah Yeah.

Niamh And Lily was devastated. She was like, Oh my god, no, no, no, no, no, I cannot do this. I was like, oh. Sarah I got, I used to get them. I used to get my eyebrows done from like a young age, like 1314. I would get my eyebrows done and I used to get them threaded. Like no one at the shopping center where they have the ladies that always used to go to my lady at the Grand Arcade in Cambridge, like fucking legend. Yeah. And she would thread them. But I didn't realize like, when you get them threaded they are Thin like they do get threaded thin really and I had fairly thick brows and they got kind of threaded thin

And then I just started getting them waxed, but I need to suck at them I've not touched my eyebrows in years. I have not touched I think I need to get them done I like I mean, they're quite pale anyway, like cuz I was like I never see you do your eyebrows I was like Like that my art cheese will grow every two weeks. Yeah, I need to pluck these bastards. Yes, like you got a mono honey Yeah, you got a mono. Yeah, I'm like my never grow my even start I think you should I put my eyelash serum on my eyebrows to make them grow? Mine are quite like, mine are bushy. But like if you just kind of like finesse them in the right way, it's fine. But like most of the hair that grows is very-

Please excuse me! Bless you! Thank you. Is mainly fair. Like you can't really see it unless you like get in there. My friend's mum got, so you know how you can get your like eyebrows tattooed? Yeah. So my friend, you know her, she's got her eyebrows tattooed. Yes.

And when she first got them done, they were like the block black like yours. Yeah. And she was like, I mean, she's not much for drama queen, but she was like, these are horrendous. Oh, yeah. She did the right thing, like maintain them. And now they look great. They just look like she's got like thick eyebrows Her mom got lip

Yeah, and it's it now looks great, but she genuinely it was bright red like Miranda sings Miranda sings red and it was like she was going to church. She's very Christian woman Yeah, she's going to church with it. She's a midwife. She was like, it was like, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah. She was like, I am really embarrassed. Oh, bless her. God, should we crack on? Let's crack on. Actually, should we go to dilemmas? Yeah, let's do dilemmas. Gorgeous. Give me your dilemma. Okay. So one of the girls said, Hey girls, I need your advice. I'm not really sure what to do, but I feel like I've been getting a few looks and a few comments. So I'd love to get your opinion. I've been getting subtle lip filler for a while.

Nothing dramatic. But last week, my sister sat me down and said, I'd love to have a little word with you I was a bit confused but I was like, yeah, of course She said to me I love you so much and you know, I think you're beautiful, but your lip filler is getting out of hand You're starting to look like a fish your lips at you. Your lips are far too big mom dad and I all agree We haven't wanted to say it to you because you're a grown woman And you can make your own decisions, but we are concerned how far you're going to take this. I was mortified. I didn't even think it was noticeable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now I'm spiralling. Were people just being polite? Because I've asked all my friends, I've asked colleagues and they all think it looks great. But now I'm really confused. Does everyone think I look ridiculous? And have I taken it too far? Do I dissolve them and start fresh or own the look and tell them to back off? Okay, what I will say is when I was in my last extension era, I was like, they're so natural. I literally had this exact thing. They weren't. I'm a blonde, darling. Well, I'm not blonde, but I'm like recruitment blonde. And I had dark black eyelashes that were like out of here. And I was like, they're so natural. People think I've just got a really strong mascara. No, darling. We can all tell. I think when you get

into it, you start to become a line to it. You do. But like, take, for example, Molly May, oh, the work she had had filler blind and she's spoken about it. She had filler blindness, where that photo of her where her face literally looks square from like all the filler, the cheek filler, everything that she had done. And at the time she was like, I genuinely felt like I look normal. Like when you have like, it's one of those things though, you were similar, like you, if you get something done to your face, something changes, you then start to like, it becomes normal obviously. But when I started getting my lash extensions done, and they were outrageous, I literally, like you said, you're like, oh my God, they're so natural. And then you only start to recognize that part of yourself with them on that you

forget what it looks like when you don't have them. And then thinking like, so there was a scholar I used to go to school with, and she genuinely had the most thin lips. Like they were like, yeah, she might have had a little bit. She didn't have a top lip. Yeah. I mean, I've got quite a thin upper lip But like and it was even thinner than mine. I was like she didn't have a top lip at all. No, I didn't give a fuck I was like yeah lovely woman. It was a huge insecurity for her. It's just got a lip done. Just her upper lip Yeah, and she got something like 0.1. Yeah, 0.5 looks Beautiful. Yeah, so natural and now her lip maybe is the size of mine, like a tiny bit bigger and looks like a bit more filled out and she's got like, she's so much more confident.

So I'm not shitting on people with fill out, I'm not shitting on people with like getting their lips done because I know it can really help your confidence and all that. But I think the fact your sister sat you down, what do you think? Are you going to go? No, I agree. Like if your family member's sitting you down, maybe like... I think you just need to evaluate it a little bit. I think, look, when you said I didn't even think it was noticeable, well it clearly is, because your family and your sister's having to say something to you. I think the fact that they're worried that you're going to take

it even further is something to think about as well. I think don't make any rash decisions, but I would like have a look at maybe find a photo from when you first got them done to what they're like now. Because people keep getting them topped up and stuff. And like, when you get them topped up, as. And like, when you get them topped up, as we know with eyelash extensions, you just think it's normal. But maybe like look at that and think, oh gosh, they are quite big compared to what they were. And then just see how you like, like you can't just get them off because people around you don't like them.

That's also true. Like if you like them, keep them. But like, also filler will, you can live with filler for like years and it'd be fine. Like I'm we're not saying get them dissolved. Yeah, like maybe just have a longer break in between appointments and see how you feel. Yeah, you know, it seems like you're also a little bit like, Oh, fuck am I like doing like, if you're not like, I don't care what she thinks, part of me feels like that you're also a little bit like unsure now. That's so true. Why don't you leave it a couple more months than you usually would.

I agree. Because actually, if you did turn around and be like, what the hell are you talking about? I look amazing. Yeah, then actually, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I think the fact that you are asking us because she hasn't attached a photo. So we can't like, not that it's our thing to say, but you are asking. I think, yeah, I think Katie's right. Maybe cancel your next lip filler appointment. And just sit with it for a while, maybe look at some more photos and just think about it. I think the fact of, I bet you, she said she was mortified. You can understand why she was mortified. Yeah.

I can understand why you were mortified, but I actually think it was done in the best way that your sister sat you down, did it privately, didn't do it in front of anyone else and it's people you love. Yeah. It would make me feel shit though that your mum, dad and sister are chatting and being like, God, it looks awful. I know. Yeah. That's not the nicest feeling. Yeah. All right. Good luck, darling.

Good luck. Right. Ix? Well, I've actually got one more. Do you? Yeah, I've not the nicest thing. Yeah. All right. Good luck, darling. Good luck. Right. Ix? Well, I've actually got one more. Do you? Yeah, I've got one more. Oh my god, do you? Okay, so, Skarsland is a short one. She said, Hi girls, just a small one, but I'd love to get your opinion.

My friend and I booked spray towns before a big girl's holiday. Woop woop. Woop woop. Hers looked perfect. She went to the ladies she's been going to for the last five years for spray tans. I've never had a spray tan. Mine, patchy, streaky, orange. And I swear, she booked us in on purpose with different therapists. I asked specifically if I could be with her. I went to the reception and said, who am I with and asked who she was with. And they said different people. I asked

if the other therapist was available. They said that when my friend booked on the phone, they said that that therapist could do both of our spray tans, but she asked for someone else to do mine. Interesting. I looked just for reference, like I'd been dipped in Fanta. God. I think I need to bring this up. She goes, so meh. Do I bring it up? Or should I let it go? Because this girl's always just a bit too happy when I look like a mess. this girl's always just a bit too happy when I look like a mess. Ah, fuck. This girl! This girl!

That's vindictive if she did do that. Bring it up. I'm team bring it up. I'd say bring it up. Bring it up. Because if you found out she specifically was like, oh no, I don't want her to go to my girl. Why are you gatekeeping that?

Why are you gatekeeping that? That's so weird. If I had a person who did my spray tan and it nailed it every single time and you are I want to spray tan about come to my girl, come to my girl. She's amazing. Why? Why? Yeah, bring up. Bring up. I fucking do. Bring it up. Now what I would say for the drama. Yeah, bring up on the girls all day. But who said that? Who said that? But the mature thing would to be bring out beforehand. I'd be like, let's have a chat. If your confrontational girlie like me be like, hey, I asked the receptionist behind this. Did you request me for a different person?

What's up with that? Why? Did you not want me to- Did you not want me to have a good tan? Because you know mine looks shit right now. See what she says. Bring it up. I literally- Oh my god. You can't be going on a girls holiday with someone who wants you to look shes, bring it up. Yeah. You need to bring up. Bring it up. And then if she's like, um, no, I just didn't want my purse. And you're like, why? Why? Literally so chill. And then if you're still going on this girls trip,

just stay away from it. So some girls are just not happy. They need to look better than other people. And if they don't, then they're not happy about themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Massively. I hate it. I've got one. I've got one. Okay, I'll ping pong you. Ready? People not being passionate. It really hit me out because I recently had to do some training as I've got a new job and we have to do training. The person leading it was the least passionate person I have

ever had the pleasure of spending six hours with across two days. It made it so slow that I was like, I can't even be here right now. So basically, what we're all about as a company, I think I could never have done traditional university because my attention span, he started talking for two minutes and I was zoned out. I clocked out. I literally, it was actually astronomical. I started going everywhere in my mind thinking what I was going to do next week, the food shop I needed to do, everything like that. And I caught back in and they're like, Zen, do you have any questions? It had been 30 minutes. And I was like, fuck, I was not listening. And just people not being passionate

about the things that they're trying to like relate to others. I'm like, it's your job. Throw a bit of passion in there. If you're incentivizing us to be ambassadors for this brand, come on that be a bit more passionate. Yeah, come on now. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. Now it's what men say, I only like natural women and they say, what kind of women? And they show a photo and this girl's got Botox and filler. Fine. Fine. Fine. Yeah, I'm glad you said this actually. Because this day and age, Botox and filler done well, can look like they've had a good night's sleep. They can look just like they've had a great facial. I am not against Botox and filler. I won't say that I am pro women and men feeling great about themselves. And if that means they get treatments, if that means they

get transplants, if that means they get filler, Botox, then go for it girl. Yeah. But what I am against is when people amass them. Yeah, I don't like makeup. I don't like all this filler. I don't like that. It's not your fucking choice. Like, yes, she is beautiful. She's absolutely sensational. Yeah. But don't say don't then start slagging off things. Because they've got them done. It pisses me off so much when especially around the time of Love Island, when men specifically are like, Oh my god, she's so disgusting. She's had so much work done. Shut up. Shut up. I'm like, well, luckily she wouldn't look twice a year.

Yeah. It pisses me off so much when men are specifically like, I only like natural girls, like really natural like, hey, I'm like, why do you think any woman that gets any cosmetic procedure done that is for the benefit of you? Yeah, it's really disheartening because I'm like, that is for their own self confidence massively for their own image. And also, whether they're natural or not, it doesn't matter. It's the beauty like, yeah, my god, they look gorgeous. Yeah, I would never be like, Oh, my god, that girl is so stunning. She cheated. Yeah, like, oh my god, she's beautiful. It's only very

dark. She's all fake. I would never say that. Oh, I would never. So why are you? Why? Oh no, God, no, I only natural. Yeah. Like, for example, you're watching, I think it was love iron and a few months ago, one of our male friends was here and he was like, has she had any work done? I just don't think men see it. No. I was thinking- Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. It's one of those things as well. And like you look at every person in like Hollywood, all celebrities have had some form of work done. Yes, they've had some sort of- You know? Tuck or stretching. Yeah.

Squeeze. Yes, they have. Most people have. And it's so fine, but it pisses me off. Especially like you said, when men are like, oh, but not like them. They're so natural. I'm like, they probably also had work done too. Niamh Yeah. Niamh I also, I just think I hate the idea that when people get work done, society thinks it's all for the benefit of men. And I'm like, it's really not. Every single person I've met that has got work done, or has had lip

filler, stuff like that, it's always like, I personally just prefer myself like this. It gives me more confidence. Yeah, and I'm like, great! And that's amazing because personally, you know, I wouldn't get lip filler just because I don't look good on me. But if someone came to me and said, I'm getting lip filler, go for it. Yeah. Great. I don't think it'll suit. It's like a tattoo. Literally. I don't think tattoos just hit

me but if you're cool, you know what. Yeah, literally. Honestly. Questions? So my serious question is, where do you think we draw the line when it comes to self care and self surveillance when it comes to beauty treatments? I think I think it's a tricky one because like the girls spoke about We spoke about yeah eyelash extensions. You can get carried away Yeah, you can and that's where you hope that self surveillance comes in and thinks oh gosh I yeah, maybe I've taken it a little bit too far. But sometimes it doesn't. And as we said, Molly Mae was a great example of that. She's a naturally beautiful girl. And she but she felt she needed something. Yeah, she did. And it didn't work for her. And she got it

removed and all that kind of stuff. And it's the same things with the BBLs. Yeah, actions getting their BBLs removed and like Chloe Ferry, who's been very open about her. Yeah, I found her journey fascinating. I think self care should make one feel amazing. Yeah, should make someone feel really good about themselves. Yeah, because self care also combines with exercise. And that can be dangerous too. You know, if you're exercising too after every meal because you're upset, that can also be quite dangerous. So self-care should be bettering yourself to feel good about yourself. Not necessarily looking better, but just feeling good about yourself.

I think where the self-surveillance comes in is when maybe you've lost a bit of yourself, and you start not to look anything like you were. I think that's when it's like, oh God, I still wanna keep a part of me. Chloe Ferry actually, if anyone wants to listen to that podcast, it's Paul Bronson's podcast. I can't remember what it's called. I'm not sure. Yeah.

But Chloe Ferry went on and she talked about how she's had quite a bit of work done. And she had a BBL and all this kind of stuff. And she says, she looks back at photos of when she was like 18, 19. And she's like, I wish I looked like her. I wish I was like her. And she was like, and the harsh reality is that is me. But like, I'm never going to go back to that because I've had all these treatments and all this kind of stuff. So I think the line needs to draw where you're losing what I'd worry about is if you know, someone's like, Okay, I want to get my lips done. And you're like, Yeah, cool. Like they go, I've always had an insecurity about her and all that. And then they've had their lips done and great. And that's like, actually, to be honest, I've actually always had an insecurity about my face as

well. I kind of want to get a facelift. It's like, really? I thought it was just your lip. I would say the line is to just be able to monitor that you're not losing too much of yourself. And that self care is the priority of feeling good. I'm not sure if that makes any sense. Yeah. And that self-care is the priority of feeling good. Mm-hmm. I'm not sure if that makes any sense. Yeah. Hopefully. Okay, my silly question is if the hairs that were waxed off your body, so on your legs, on your eyebrows, on the poos, on the boom, if that when they waxed off, those hairs made a sound Yeah, what sound would you want them to make? I think it would be like, you know, when like a car drives away

Yeah, I think it would be like Yeah, like like a little like not like a yow, but like a yeah Yeah Yeah like, not like a yowl, but like a yee-ing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's quite a good one. Big time. I was thinking mine might be like, weeeeeep. Weeeeeep, weeeeeep, weeeeeep, weeeeeep. I could imagine him quite high-pitched. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. High-pitched. Say what would be funny if they were just like, bottom. Yeah. Huh. Talk about no passion. Right guys, our streaks have got to the end of the part. Have a fabulous week.

I want you to have a fantabulous day and if you want to make any suggestions what your parents would sound like, we'd love to hear it. Have a great day my loves, love you. See ya. Bye. Bye. Have a great day my loves, love you! See ya! Bye!