The Debrief - Can a Bad Boyfriend Change?! | The Debrief Podcast

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

Welcome back to The Debrief! In this weeks episode we are discussing the new hit TV show Oliva Attwoods 'Bad Boyfriends' and really delve into the topic of "can a bad boyfriend change?" As always than...k you for sending in your amazing debriefs, be sure to email us: hello@thedebriefpodcast.co.uk or DM us @the.debreifpodcast with any other stories, we always love hearing from you! Have an amazing week,Lots of Love,K+K xx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 welcome to the debrief here we are with your co-host katie leach and katie mcneil yeah we got you there didn't we you know what swapped it round yeah did you ever have like at school girls names that you were like, oh, I wish I was called that. Oh, I love that name. That's so cool. There was a Tallulah. Oh, cute.
Starting point is 00:00:31 I kind of like the Tallulah. Tallulah, love that. That's cute. Tallulah. Tallulah. What was her last name? Can't remember. Can't remember.
Starting point is 00:00:38 Tallulah, Tallulah. Tallulah, Tallulah. I had a girl in my school called Billie, and her last name was Butler. Billie Butler's a great name. That's Butler. Billy Butler's a great name. That's quite cool. That's a great name. But personally, I don't think Billy would have suited me.
Starting point is 00:00:51 It really suited her, but I don't think it would suit me. I think it could. Really? See, it's a Billy. Billy McNeil, though, is a bit annoying. It's not a Kitty McNeil. Kitty McNeil. No, no.
Starting point is 00:01:02 In there. Bang. Bang. I remember when I used to be like really young and you have all your little characters, like your tools and you play with them. The main girl would always be called Lizzie. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:01:13 They always are, aren't they? Or like Kelly. Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. Here she is. And I'd make her kiss someone and be like. And I'd make her kiss like the male guy,
Starting point is 00:01:24 like my character. And then if my mum came in, I'd be like and i'd make her kiss like the male guy like my character and then if my mum came in i'd be like nothing doing nothing in here doing nothing yeah shall we go straight into it let's go straight oh we've got a great one so katie leach tell me your mantra my mantra is everything is always working out for me oh i like that i feel like i've recently been going to sleep listening to like affirmation meditations oh they're like and they're like as you sleep it literally just like speaks to you oh and lovely i literally woke up at like two in the morning and i was like oh god what's going on and all i hear is like everything is always working out for you. Oh, it's always working out. Oh, that's so nice. And then you just roll back over.
Starting point is 00:02:06 I was like, yes, it is. Yes, it is. I genuinely feel like my, like gratitude and my excitement for like, and zest for life has been so much better this week because I've been listening to it so consistently.
Starting point is 00:02:19 I wake up in a great mood and I don't know if it's like psychosomatic. But subconscious, it's like, it's laying into your mind. Yeah, it really is. Then you wake up and you're mood and I don't know if it's like psychosomatic. But all subconscious, it's like, it's playing into your mind. Yeah, it really is. Then you wake up and you're like, I'm ready. Because it's like,
Starting point is 00:02:30 it's a YouTube video. It's like eight hours long. So I put it on just before I'm about to go to sleep. Oh my God, I should do that. And it's so good. What's it called? I'll share it with you. It's something like
Starting point is 00:02:39 manifest abundance into your life. Like only good things are happening. Subliminal, like sleep meditation. Love it. I'm like, love it. That's a bit of me love it love it that's a bit of me hell yeah that's a bit of me what's your mantra my mantra for this week is i treasure each one of my successes oh i love when you feel like something's well no we're such lucky girls i'm such a lucky girl any good things happen to me yeah but when good things happen i want to be able to cling onto it and appreciate it rather than, right, what's next? Yes.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, okay, well, I've done that now. Let's, I think sometimes just taking a moment to be like, oh, I really treasure this. I'm really happy about this. Yeah, I completely, yeah. Sit back, leave it, and then go on. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:03:17 Yeah. Rather than be like, okay, what next? Yeah. Because I think sometimes you're like, oh, just appreciate, you know, gratitude. Gratitude. My song for this week is... I've been in love. Oh.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I've been in love. Jungle. Oh, my gosh. So I know I spoke about it last week, but Arch and I went to a Jungle concert. Yeah. Last week. And, oh, my God. I literally...
Starting point is 00:03:44 You know those moments where you feel like you're in a film yeah we were in this place and we all dressed up and we were together we got we had because we literally got last minute tickets so one of archie's friends was like does anyone want them we were like we will yeah so we went and they were seated seats but everyone was standing like no one was seated so we were all standing at all like boogieing and stuff and then I've been in love what came on and Archie and I were like oh I just started dancing and then we were like having a cheeky
Starting point is 00:04:12 kiss and we were just like oh and then the little poppers went off and we yeah it was an amazing experience and I was just like yeah oh that's so lovely how about you what's your song for this week my song this week is Kathy and Stella's Murder Podcast.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Oh my God, yes. I went to go see Kathy and Stella's Murder Podcast. How was it? Which kind of brings us on to our recommendation. Recommendation, which is also Kathy and Stella's Murder Podcast.
Starting point is 00:04:44 I loved it. It was good. It was really good. So are they like on stage doing a podcast? recommendation which is also Kathy and Stella's murder podcast so what I loved it it was good it was really good so are they like on stage doing a podcast I'm confused it's like
Starting point is 00:04:51 they're true crime fans and they have a true crime podcast okay and then a murder happens in their town and they solve it basically
Starting point is 00:04:59 on the podcast like yeah and they're recording the podcast at the same time and then their podcast kind of like skyrockets because of their investigating the case.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I really, really liked it. Apparently it was at the Fringe last year. And they added a whole nother hour onto the show, which I, it was interesting because I feel like you could tell what was, yeah, what was originally part of the Fringe show and what was added in. I almost wish i'd seen it
Starting point is 00:05:25 at the fringe because i found like the bits that were like really cohesive so funny it was oh really it was really good then really good is it would you see it again i would you know yeah it's northern okay it and they're singing and it's great is it did you ever see what was that pride and prejudice not pride and prejudice oh just notjudice? Oh, sort of. Pride and Prejudice, sort of. Was it like that? Kind of. It was more like, if any of the listeners have seen Operation Mincemeat on the West End,
Starting point is 00:05:53 it was very that vibe, like very silly. Oh, okay. But like, once you lean into the silliness, like it's really funny. It's very fun. Yeah, yeah. And expensive tickets or were tickets all right? Well, actually, I got a £25. You can rush the tickets for £25, which is great.
Starting point is 00:06:08 But two of my, well, I went with two of my friends. One of my friends got a £25 ticket and they upgraded it for her. So she was next to my other friend who got a slightly more expensive ticket. So we were all chatting by their seats. So I was like, okay, bye guys. I'll see you later. And I'm like, my seat is literally back row, top of the circle, like cheap seats in the girls kind of thing. But at least it's cheap and cheerful.
Starting point is 00:06:29 And a guy was like, oh my God, well, I'm meant to be sat next to your friend. Let me take your seat. And I was like, no, no, like seriously. I'm like, it's all the way in the back. Like it's a terrible, like you have a much better seat. They were like front row of the circle. I was like, you've got a much better seat here.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Like, don't be silly. And he was like, no, no, no, no no no no no like i'll sit in your seat tell me where you're sitting and i was like no no honestly he's like no no i want you to sit with your friends like enjoy enjoy yourself and he took my seat he took my cheap seat i genuinely was like oh my period at the moment so i'm so emotional i genuinely was like that is the kindest thing genuinely like maybe like genuinely like maybe like 30s he was like this Australian guy it was so nice he was on his own he was by himself he's like hey I don't mind at all he was like let me sit in your seat I don't want you to be without your friends good acts of kindness I genuinely was like oh my god he will be rewarded big time he will I paid it forward I was like I have to pay it forward because I'm like I can't he will be rewarded it was just the kindest thing paid it forward. I was like, I have to pay it forward because I'm like, I can't. He will be rewarded big time.
Starting point is 00:07:26 It was just the kindest thing. That's so kind. It was so lovely. I was like, people are lovely. Some people are so lovely. Honestly. Completely. So kind.
Starting point is 00:07:34 I know. I love that. Shall we crack on? Let's crack on. Let's debrief. So this week on The Debrief, we have been obsessed with Olivia Atwood's
Starting point is 00:07:50 bad boyfriends on ITV. Guys. I love it. First of all, I love Olivia Atwood. Love Olivia Atwood. I love so wrong. It's right, her podcast.
Starting point is 00:07:59 I'm just obsessed with her. I loved that thing she was in about, what was that documentary she did? Oh, about like the sex industry. Yeah, loved it. I absolutely love with her. I loved that thing she was in about, what was that documentary she did? Oh, about like the sex industry. Yeah, loved it. I absolutely love this woman. I think she is the Love Island queen. I don't think anyone can actually top her.
Starting point is 00:08:12 I love her. Love her. And she's done this programme called Bad Boyfriends. Katie, tell us what it's about. So the premise is that eight men travel to a Greek island under the illusion that they are on a reality TV show all about becoming the best bro. What show did they think it was called?
Starting point is 00:08:29 What was it called? Oh, I can't remember. And they thought they were going on this bro, like who's going to be the biggest bro. Like Macho Man. Macho. And Pete Wicks was the host. The fake presenter.
Starting point is 00:08:41 The fake presenter. Sensational. It was like Bro Island or or bro i can't remember mania or romania maybe it was romania yeah um they are then surprised with their girlfriends and confronted with the fact that they are bad boyfriends and need to improve their relationships and live comes through and it's brilliant i'm literally dying though imagine like going on holiday thinking like oh i'm such a lad i'm such a lad and then your girlfriend arriving being like i put you on a tv show because i think you're a horrendous boyfriend i know and they have to keep it from
Starting point is 00:09:08 everyone like one of the girls said her boyfriend's like look it's for the it's for our end goal like i can get some money from there it's like whereas so we're obsessed with this however it's kind of shone a light on questionable boyfriend behavior. And also then poses the question, can a bad boyfriend change? Oh, I think since watching this program, I've never felt more content in my relationship. I'm like, I know I was lucky before, but I was like, there are some men out there who are awful.
Starting point is 00:09:41 No, truly. I was like, truly awful. Now, the definition of a bad boyfriend on the show there are extremes so there's one there's this one bad boyfriend who is very like he loves his girlfriend would never cheat on her is very loyal to her stands up for her but he's just shit around the house so he relies on her to do the cooking the cleaning the washing like everything yeah and she wanted to bring him on to be like you need to do more but that i think can change yes that's a bad habit that needs to be brought out of like for example arch and i are
Starting point is 00:10:15 very different like before arch was with me he would never make his bed and i'm like it will be made every single day you know like it's the best thing you can do to start your day things like that and that wasn't even a bad habit but just little things cheating on your fiance i'm like which is a legit thing that they've done one of the boys is doing he is he is engaged to one of the girls on there he goes on a night out and he's like i'm not i'm not with anyone and then they're like if could your head be swayed and he's like yeah'm not i'm not with anyone and then they're like if could your head be swayed and he's like yeah and i'm like and the worst thing is they said they booked an appointment for ivf because they want to start a family and he's behaving like that and he's
Starting point is 00:10:55 behaving like that i'm sorry that's crazy i'm sorry i just personally think that can that behavior cannot be changed because there are some and it also feels like sometimes i don't know about you but i'm like because they're aware they're on tv i'm like are they just pretending to change and then once they get back to reality is it all gonna go out the window yeah that's a good point like i feel like it's interesting because i really enjoyed it but there were only like three couples that i thought they actually were willing to work on it. Yes. Yes, completely. And they were like, I see what you mean.
Starting point is 00:11:28 Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's sort of really bad behavior, like the cheating on your fiance, all that kind of stuff. Like one of the guys, this guy called Sam, cheated on his girlfriend with one of her friends. I'm like, I personally just think that kind of behavior cannot change. Because I just think to have that much disrespect for someone either comes from your own issues, like own insecurities or own trust issues
Starting point is 00:11:58 or a feeling of needing more and never having enough. Like, I think that's all personal do you think that can change i think you only change as much as you want to yeah and it's hard when you can't see what you're doing is wrong until someone paints it out for you because i see there's been some like some of the guys like genuinely feel like they regret it they're like i've misbehaved and i've done this but they just added in this new couple and he's cheating on his girlfriend once every like they've been together four years he's cheated on her four times once every year i'm like is this like the new christmas like it's crazy and he doesn't seem like remorseful
Starting point is 00:12:34 about it and he's like yeah i know it's bad and i'm like well do you know what though we can't shit on that that some of the girlfriends in that i think need to get a grip in the sense i'm like why are you still with a man who's doing this to you you need to have and again that comes from maybe like insecure not a feeling that they can stand up for themselves but i'm like you need to say bon voyage it's horrible when and like i think every woman will have been at a point in relationships where you truly think that's the best you're gonna get and you're like oh my god if you hold like there is someone for everyone completely and i feel like what i was kind of hoping is that like live would do like uh women you're worth so much more let's like look at your self-worth you're all amazing yeah yeah completely because i think it's so hard
Starting point is 00:13:20 nowadays like that you have to really protect like the mental health of the this like reality individuals yes you know it's not like like a lot of stuff's changed with love island that's why they don't do like the lie detector testing like that kind of stuff so i get they need to protect it so i respect that i do wish there was a way in which she could have said to the girls, what are you doing? Yeah. What are you doing? You know, and I think maybe behind closed doors, there might have been a conversation like that, but who knows?
Starting point is 00:13:54 So let me have a look. So we asked the D Reef listeners if they have experienced or been witness to any bad boyfriend behavior. And here are some shocking results now i'm gonna have to start this one off because this is rather controversial and i really would like to get your opinion with this hey girls don't know what you think but my friends think it's controlling but i don't know i kind of like him being protective my boyfriend likes to pick out what i wear okay and most of the time
Starting point is 00:14:26 has decided my outfit before i have even got up oh every single day it's laid out on the bed and it happens every day for every occasion sometimes he won't like what i choose and says to put something else on he likes to have me presented a certain way as he says it shows off my figure without being revealing i think it's so sweet and he puts so much thought into what i wear and how i look my friend thinks it's a red frag but i don't get why i don't love that i'd kick off i'd kick off also i'd be like what i i'm sorry darling everyone's right to their own opinion and this is mine i think that is so controlling it's all it's john it is it's the makes my figure look good without being too revealing yeah that's what that's i'm like oh what and has to have me presented a certain way it's like a child i'm like you're saying if you go to the cinema you're
Starting point is 00:15:24 not gonna wear your comfies you have to like get dressed up yeah like that's true but not too much katie don't be a slag yeah that's what that's what kind of annoys me about that i really don't like that behavior percy darling i think you're you're a grown-up woman if he's laying out your outfit like a child yeah because you can't decide what you want to wear i think sorry i think here he's got his own issues and he's deflecting yeah because he's trying to make you feel insecure and and he's like putting his own feelings onto you because look you say you've chosen outfit and he goes put something else put on something else i personally think this is i hate that if archie was like you will be wearing this and hangs out my outfit every day i'm like you don't know what it's like to be
Starting point is 00:16:13 a woman yeah when we're on our periods when we're having a low i don't want to wear that outfit yeah i don't feel good in that i don't want to do that yeah like how dare you make me wear what you think is appropriate i think one of the best things about our generation now is that we can wear whatever we want if people want to wear skirts dresses trousers whatever you can wear that yeah you know i'm like don't let him define i personally darling think that's a sign of not a great boyfriend. No. I think you need to have a conversation. But she says she likes it. So I'm like, that's sticky. I know.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Yeah. Do you have one? I do. Go on. So my boyfriend told all my family at Christmas that I love doing role play as a school teacher, completely unprovoked, and then couldn't see why I had an issue with it. Oh, my God. Some with it. Oh my God. Some men.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Oh my God. Why? Why? Why? Why would you say that to my family? Why? And I can just imagine like guys are always like, oh, it's funny. It's jokes.
Starting point is 00:17:14 Yes. It's not funny or jokes. It's not. Especially imagine with your family. Imagine if your boyfriend was like, Katie loves to be a kinky girl. I'd be like, get out. Never never say that again never ever say that again what would your family respond i think they would say nothing i think they'll pretend they didn't hear it yeah what would lucy do sister excuse me excuse me actually no could so imagine. It's so funny, honestly.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Okay, so this one's a little bit long, but I think it's worth it. I had a nice boyfriend, or actually fiancé. He proposed to me when I was 18, and still to this day, I feel he had no desire to actually marry me. He just didn't want me seeing anyone else. He wasn't very interested in spending time together,
Starting point is 00:18:04 and we only saw each other when we were with other people we were together all through uni and although we were at separate unis we saw each other every two weeks however i was an exeter and he was in edinburgh okay so long journeys and expensive i went to edinburgh every two weeks he didn't come to exeter once that pissed me off it's not even just it's the money it's so it's like so you're not even bothered like exeter's far really far i'm from edinburgh yeah jesus he just wasn't bothered girls when i graduated i only got two tickets for my graduation and as i have a single mum i said she could have one and he could have one as well yeah he said he's he agreed to coming but he said he had a final exam on that day and couldn't make it an hour before he was supposed to be there
Starting point is 00:18:53 he said i have an exam can't come what my six-year-old sister could have come to my graduation and my mom had found child support so that he could come he cancelled an hour before later on i found out he didn't even book a train ticket in the first place oh i'd be upset instead he went out clubbing with his boys and got drunk class a when his graduation came around he got two tickets as well but told me that he didn't get any told his parents to lie to me as well saying there were no tickets instead he invited his girl best mate from home and gave a girl from uni in the year below the other ticket you're shitting me that was it that day i texted him and said i'm done got my friend to give him the ring back ever since then he's been obsessed with me yeah saying i was the best thing to day I texted him and said, I'm done. Got my friend to give him the ring back. Ever since then, he's been obsessed with me.
Starting point is 00:19:47 Yeah. Saying I was the best thing to ever happen to him and wants me back. I will never speak to that shit bag as long as I live. I don't, I don't blame you. I would absolutely throw a hissy fit. Can you imagine? It's not even girl best friend. A random girl from the year below.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Why is she coming to see you? I'm sorry, no. Why? Sorry, no. Why? Sorry, no. And then you're lying, saying, oh, actually, I've got an exam on. Never booked a train ticket. No. And my little sister could have come, but now she can't because my mum's already here.
Starting point is 00:20:17 But an hour before. Shitbag. That's a shitbag move. Yeah, okay, go. So my boyfriend was DMing other girls for months. Harmless combos, but combos nonetheless. And then freaked out
Starting point is 00:20:29 when I accused him of cheating on me. I hate this because it's general pleasant chit chat isn't... But it is kind of harmful. I'm telling you,
Starting point is 00:20:41 watch bad boyfriends. There's this couple, I can't remember his name or hers, but once you watch it, you'll get it. He was texted. There's this point where Liv lets the girls go through their phones. Yeah. And he like pops up to this girl like, hey.
Starting point is 00:20:54 And she's like, I consider that cheating. Yeah. And he's like, no. It's like, well, what are you wanting out of that conversation? Chit chat? I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I hate that.
Starting point is 00:21:06 And I hate the, like, gaslighting and spinning it around. What? I don't understand. You're insecure. It's like, no, I wouldn't pop up to a random guy being like, hey. Yeah. Because it gives the vibes that you're single. Yeah, that's weird.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Yeah. My ex-boyfriend is obsessed. Oh, this is bad. obsessed with only fans oh i get back home from a long day of work and be really exhausted and just want to cuddle up with him and get intimate but he never ever was interested which really confused me as i knew he had a high sex drive anytime i tried it on he wasn't in the mood or if we were talking about it he just shut it down immediately eventually i came to him saying that i think we have a problem with our relationship and being sexual together and we need to work on it he
Starting point is 00:21:56 completely denied it being an issue and said he will try harder in the future two weeks later we were in bed and after trying again and again and again nothing was changing i had the urge to go on his phone follow it he went for a shower and i saw messages from someone but they were coming through on the internet as in google not on an app yeah i tapped on it and he'd been paying for private shows with this woman and texting her saying he thinks he's in love with her what do you know what girls i wasn't even upset i was just angry i'd let him waste my time oh that day he was going on a work trip so i acted all sweet and waited until he left i packed all my stuff all my clothes my, my pots, my pants, my furniture.
Starting point is 00:22:46 My dad got a hire car for me. And I never, ever went back. And I left a note saying good luck with, and left her name. Oh my God. Never heard from him since. Oh my God. Brilliant.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic. Do you know what I love is the urge to go through the phone. But you wouldn't do it unless you really thought there was something on there that would be incriminating. I've never gone through someone's phone personally. I've never had gone and been like, great, they're in the bathroom, I'm going to look.
Starting point is 00:23:22 So I've never done it. But on this TV show, it happens a lot. Yeah, yeah, I'm going through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, well i'm gonna look so i've never done it but on this tv show it happens a lot like yeah yeah i'm going through yeah yeah yeah and they're like well you went through my phone yeah that kind of stuff but i'm like cheating now is so much easier to get away with like back in the day when there was no trail trail snail trail was it trail paper trail paper trail paper trail but now it's everywhere everywhere i can't avoid it i had one oh go on that said my friend's boyfriend called me and all her other friends ugly and said that was the reason why we're single they're still together and when i'm not friends with i'm not close friends with her
Starting point is 00:23:58 anymore because of it imagine being out like i'm at the pub with like you and arch and not just like and like a few a few of your other friends that are like single girlies and he was like well you know the reason why you're single it's because you're ugly and for me to not be like archie what the fuck like seriously apologize that just be like okay like you know it's not funny get fucked i hate when girls like just are so have no backbone yeah yeah to be like apologize right now what are you on about apologize yeah you know they're just like i don't want to lose you it's like oh god no truly woman right shall we go on to debrief dilemmas debrief dilemmas he's telling me she's got a great one this one this help me oh i can't wait i can't wait this one i'm conflicted about so
Starting point is 00:24:53 hi girls please help i'm really stressed out me and my boyfriend have been together for two years once a few weeks ago my boyfriend and i were talking and i don't know how it came up but i said at least we have each other and then he responded so rudely like oh it's whatever like he was like he was tired of having me around it was such a rude comment so i said stanley you should be grateful to have me not everyone has a partner they can trust and rely on he apologized and we moved on until the week after oh no so admittedly he does a lot of chores around the house. He's very particular and never likes how I clean. So I just leave him to it since I hate hearing him complain when I make an effort.
Starting point is 00:25:31 So one day we were talking about all the stuff we got accomplished that week. And I said, oh my God, I did so much this week. He then blurts out, what do you do around here? You do nothing. He was referring to how he does a majority of the cleaning, but I called him out again for yet another disrespectful comment. And it really to how he does a majority of the cleaning, but I called him out again for yet another disrespectful comment. And it really feels like he never listens.
Starting point is 00:25:50 He apologized again. And I felt like he was sincere, but yesterday we were heading out for dinner. It's a relatively nice place. So I wore my favorite outfit and spent ages getting ready. When my boyfriend saw me, he laughed and said, are you seriously going out like that? Girls, I burst into tears tears i love this man so much and really don't know where this behavior is coming from i just don't know what to do please help that's really tough because if you've been together for two years and only in the last like month or so this behavior is happening i hate to be like negative nancy but in my mind i'm like you're pushing me to break up with you because you've
Starting point is 00:26:27 got something else going on that's that's what would be the first thought in my head you know when guys are a bit chicken shit so they start acting like an arsehole to make you break up with them because they don't want to break up with you I think you genuinely need to communicate yeah because you're clearly pissing him off by he feels he's being overwhelmed. From a cleaning girlie herself who loves things meticulous. Like I empathize with him saying how he does. I don't feel I do everything because that's not the case in the slightest. Arch and I are a great team.
Starting point is 00:27:02 You know, he does loads. So I would never feel like that but being to a point where i'm meticulous like no can you do it like yeah i know that's annoying so i can understand why she would feel that as annoying that he says that and she's like oh well i might not even bother i'm like yeah i should i get that i think you there's something that's pissing him off yeah and i don't know whether that's the lack of not even trying to tell. The whole outfit thing was a complete out of order thing to say. I cannot back that in the slightest.
Starting point is 00:27:33 The feeling of him being like, well, what did you do? Like I did all this. Okay. You guys need to communicate. If you love him, like you're saying,
Starting point is 00:27:42 after two years of having a great relationship, you need to sit down and be like, haven't been communicating great yeah yeah i've been feeling upset i'm sure you've been feeling agitated by me can we talk about this why and i think you need to have an open conversation and ask him what's going on yeah because i mean like behavior like this out of nowhere makes me feel like something else is going on whether it's like sincere or not something else is going on yes whether that's he's been good as gold this entire time yes whether that's a work stress or a family stress or a friend stress or simply he's thinking about someone else yeah whatever that is you guys need to communicate you really do yeah because you can't just keep guessing no no no love it shall we go on to yes okay i've only got one this week i've got one
Starting point is 00:28:36 okay tell me mine is when guys can't take a joke lover like you love it like sometimes sometimes i like i'll be like i can make a joke and then someone be and then they get butthurt it's not funny it's actually oh that's really not funny and i'm like calm down i love how boys think they can give it and then when we give it back they're like girls aren't funny don't sit there looking yeah and i'm like i will rip you to shit now it gives it gives very much the same energy of like when you get refuse to get with someone like on a night out and then they call you ugly i'm like oh that was good like well well you did try that like five seconds ago honestly oh that's so funny okay yeah okay something that does piss me off is when girls chat shit about their boyfriend and then do nothing
Starting point is 00:29:32 about it they're like yeah he literally said this and i'm like oh my god that's awful and then i see them a week later i'm like so what did you do and she's like oh no it's fine now and i'm like so you didn't tell him he's a shitbag and he needs to go grab? Yeah. I always, when girls are like, oh, no, no, I just got over it. I'm like... No, you shouldn't get over it. You shouldn't.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Do you know what I mean? That really winds, like, that gets, like, yeah, that pisses me off. Yeah. Big time. Big time. Big time. You tell them.
Starting point is 00:29:58 You tell them. Right, should we go on to questions? Question? Questions. Questions? Questions. Questions. Questions. Okay, so this week you are? Billy!
Starting point is 00:30:10 And I'm serious. Completely deadly serious. No, truly. Give it to me. I'll tell you. This week, Katie, tell me. Do you think trust can ever be built again after being cheated on? Not 100%, no.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Really? Well, I don't think so, because I personally would just have it in the back of my mind all the time. Don't you worry. Oh, God. Get her out. Long day, eh? But I would also say that, like, it depends on the extremities.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Like, for example, I would still have an issue with it but like if my boyfriend kissed someone on an out like a peck gave someone a kiss doesn't really was blackout doesn't remember it yeah i think you could rebuild trust after that yeah but if he was messaging and actively shagging someone else for months then no i don't it depends on the extra like the extremity of what's been happening if he's been messing then again, if he's been like messaging someone for a while, that would still be like, I can't control that. And I don't trust you enough to not do that again. Yeah. Good point. Actually, that is a good point.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Yeah. What about you? Again, it's that whole. I think that's something that within relationships, people define cheating as very different things. Yeah. something that within relationships people define cheating as very different things yeah because we even have friends that one of their partner kisses people on other nights out and has done things with other people on a night out and they're like completely fine with it whereas i would categorize for my relationship i'm not saying that's wrong because that's them but for me personally not a fucking chance like if archie's kissing someone. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:46 No, that is cheating in my eyes. That is a complete boundary that you have crossed and I'm gone. Yeah. Other people are so like, people can be different, you know. Oh, no, I don't mind that. For example, like, let me try think of one. I don't know if it's cheating, but I find it weird if. No, I'd find it really strange if Archie went on holiday one-on-one with a girl.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Like... Yeah. And it was a friend. I'd be like, I find that weird. Weird, yeah. I went out for dinner one-on-one. Oh, no, Archie, dinner's fine. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:17 I just think you need to define it within your relationship. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if cheating's happened, so for example, in my relationship, if Archie shagged someone else, I don't think I could ever trust him again. I think I would become psycho. I'd be like, I feel so on edge with you. I was like, where are you going? And then it would bring out a side of me that I wouldn't like.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas with other people, they're like, well, it's fine. So I think it really depends on the individual. But for me personally, no. Not a chance. Yeah, 100%. Okay. Tell me your silly. My silly question is,
Starting point is 00:32:50 would you rather have a boyfriend that overshared every aspect of your relationship to anyone or have a boyfriend that only wore your pyjamas to every social event? Like we're having drinks at the pub and he's in your dressing gown. Do you know what? This is a great question.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Or... This is a fantastic question. You get to the pub and he's like, Kissy and I had sex 10 times today. Do you know what? I wouldn't mind the 10 times sex telling or like the, oh, i just love kitty's boobs i'll be like great that's right tell them but if it was yeah we had an argument and she said this
Starting point is 00:33:33 yes oh that's what an annoying yeah i'd be like do you have no loyalty to me yeah you have to do the pjs in the robe and just make it a fun thing. I'm going to have to be like, look, Arch just really enjoys this. He just loves her. Just let him be. Let him live, please. Let him live. He just really enjoys it. He loves her.
Starting point is 00:33:52 What can I say? Putting on my PJs. Yeah. And I would make it a thing. Like, let's laugh about this because otherwise it is strange. You'd get a robe on as well. You'd be the pajama couple. 100%.
Starting point is 00:34:03 What would you pick? I think I'd do pajamas. I'm not having him. Because also like, yeah, I'm like, what if I'm telling you like a really secret and then he's like, oh my God, Katie said this the other day. I'm like, excuse you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I would not have that in the slightest.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Let's take the PJ boyfriends. Yes, yes. You'd have a boyfriend in Moose pajamas. Honestly, I'd love it. We'd have matching. You'd love it. I would lovefriends. Yes, yes. You'd have a boyfriend in Moose pyjamas. Honestly, I'd love it. We'd have matching. You'd love it. I would love it. Right, guys.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Right, guys. Another lovely episode. We hope you have a fabulous week. Enjoy. I'm swearing it's the last week of September. So enjoy your last week of September. Yeah. Because Halloween is coming.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Oh, it's the season for scaries. I know. And From is out. Second season of From. Oh my God, guys. Here we go, girls. I know. And From is out. Second season of From. Oh my God, guys. Here we go, girls. I'm so excited. Can't wait.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Right, have a great week. Have a great week. Love you. Bye. Bye. I've got a rebel soul. I've got a rebel soul. I've got a rebel soul.
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