The Debrief - Dicaprio, Daddy Issues & District 12

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

Welcome to the Debrief! We are Kitty and Katie, two gals trying to navigate life in our 20's living in London and wanting to bring you along for the ride. We're here to cover everything from nights out, to career goals, to bad dates, and everything in between. We hope you enjoy, Monday’s are about to get a whole lot better.Want to debrief with us? Email [e-mail] or DM us on instagram @the.debriefpodcastLots of love,Kitty and Katie x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I got a rebel soul. I got a rebel soul. I got a rebel soul. It's Monday morning. Wake up, it's a beautiful morning. Rise and shine. Rise and shine. Happy Monday, bitches. Happy Monday, bitches.

Happy Monday, dickheads. I'm feeling more sprightly than last week. Oh my gosh, we got some great content last week from that, Katie. I can't believe it. You took days to recover. I was inconsolable. You were. You were.

I actually sent Katie a message because I felt a bit bad because I think she kind of gave me the eyes in the morning like, oh, I still don't feel well. I thought,

well, I'm lucky, my friend, because we're doing the pod. We've got things to do. We've got places to be. We've got people to see. Absolutely. Anyway, we got back and she just snuggled

herself off into bed. And I said to her, I sent her a message. I said, oh, how are you? And she said, I'm feeling foolish. I'm feeling very foolish. I was like, oh, darling.

I was feeling foolish. I had big, big anxiety. You did. I was at work the next day, and I was literally like, it's literally the beginning of the week. It's not even like a Friday night. Like, it's literally an off-peak day to be this fucking unloved.

I don't understand. And it took you days to kind of merge your head back from your room and be like, hi. You're really... You were so embarrassed. I was so embarrassed. I was literally like, that was so unnecessary. For why? For why? Por que?

Yeah. For why? Because you live in the moment, darling. Yeah. You have no regrets. Someone said YOLO. So you're feeling back to yourself right now? I'm feeling back to myself.

And I'm feeling very ready to hear your mantra for the week. Oh, Casey. Well, let me tell you. Let's do it. I was like, where's she going? What's she doing? I was going to say debrief. Not yet.

Not yet, my friend. Let's not rush the process. Let's not be in a rush. You can't rush perfection. You can't. Yeah, you can't. You can't. My mantra's pretty exciting this week. First one, boom, in transaction. You can't. Yeah, you can't. You can't. My match was pretty

exciting this week. First one, boom, in there, I'm powerful. Boom, boom, boom. Yeah, yeah, you didn't know what was coming, did you, Katie?

No, I didn't. I like this one. I am powerful, powerful. Say it with me. Powerful. Love it. Powerful.

Closive. I love that. That is the most, powerful is almost a, what do you call it, an onomatopoeiaia because it sounds powerful. I'm like, boom, in there. And I feel like powerful is such a strong word.

You know, imagine you say, oh, what's Kitty like? She's powerful. Fuck. You fuck. Imagine. Imagine being described as powerful. No, you couldn't. But I can.

Last week you couldn't. But this week, you can. I you couldn't. But I can. Last week, you couldn't. But this week, you can. I can. You can. I can. Imagine, what's Kate like? She's powerful. A powerful woman.

That brings power to itself. It exudes it. Yeah. Brings it to the room. So that's my first bit. I'm powerful. Yeah. Second, my voice is valuable.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm saying it because you know, I know. Because you know sometimes when you think, oh, no, no, no, I'll just sit in the conversation or I'll just observe or I just, no, I'm gonna reflect on the conversation. Oh, this conversation is going well. So, no, fuck that.

Kitty fucking McNeil has a voice and this voice needs to be heard. And it's valuable. Valuable. Oh my god, did I ever tell you the valuable? I was reading a sign in a car park once where it says, don't leave your valuables unattended. And I couldn't read because lol. I was probably like six or seven and I said, don't leave your value booboos in the car.

And my parents looked behind and they were like, your value booboos. So my voice is value booboo. It is. Big time value booboo. Yeah, it is. It is. My voice is value booboo powerful. Yeah, it is.

And the last bit. So I am powerful. My voice is value booboo. And I attract success. Because you attract success because you do because you do you're giving it across the room that doesn't need explanation it doesn't do it doesn't because you see success you're giving it the eye you're looking back yeah you're giving it the eye again they're walking over to you this success starts with thrusting on me and i'm like there you go i'm like i know i attract it i attract it they're

giving me a gin and tonic and i'm being grinded on and i'm like yeah by success by success success can't wait to shag you but katie tell me it won't be mine we're gone it actually it actually it won't because it's it's not as it's not as powerful that's okay however one thing and it's not as it's not as powerful that's okay however one thing and it's so funny because I was literally just about to say this

whilst we were getting ready to record my mantra and this is probably the master mantra of my life oh my god wow

everything is solvable oh wow everything is solvable and it just and it just I'm like oh chill out Katie everything's solvable and it just and it just i'm like oh chill out katie everything's solvable yeah everything you should have said that to yourself a few minutes ago i was but then i

actually didn't want to say because i was like it's my mantra oh yeah yeah so i was like okay yeah every single thing is solvable i always tell myself this as well especially when like you're dreading doing something you're getting really nervous and you're literally like time cannot stop you will get you will literally get through this because time literally can't stop sounds silly but like it actually can't yeah oh i like that so i always think that and everything is solvable everything is solvable there will be a way out of everything love it and i'm like yeah yeah bitch yeah yeah yeah we had Yeah. We had a bit of a meltdown in the studio from the peach. Katie is such a happy-go-lucky kind of woman.

I am. That when I actually see her get angry or stressed, I just stay silent. I feel like... I literally just eyes are out. I look away because I'm like, don't ruin my vision. I feel like... Don't ruin it.

You're my positivity in my life. Also, I heard someone say a mantra to themselves in the gym. Did you? Yeah, this guy, bless him, scrawny little man. And he probably was, oh my God, younger than us. Younger than us. Oh, yes. Yeah, and I was like, good on you, good on you.

He was in the gym zone and he, sorry, he was in the weight zone. Yeah. And obviously that's so intimidating i feel intimidated as a woman i'm always a bit like oh sheepish and you just have to exude confidence to try and get through it but it's fucking terrifying but this boy in there he was probably oh i would say around 16 17 he was young and and he was lifting weights and I heard him say to himself, I'm going to, I won't say it like you,

but he went, I can do this. Oh. My heart was dying. Oh, oh, oh, precious little babby.

I love you. I know. And I was like, and then I was trying to smile at him while doing it. Like, you can do it. And I thought,

all right, that's enough now. I was like, don't patronize the poor soul. I was like, he's lifting a fucking bar. Imagine, bar imagine like lifting weights and then looking over at your corner like you got this and then like I'm the success and I'm flirting with you I was like yeah I was like chin up champ chin up champ you got it I know and there's nothing worse than being

patronized in the gym so I was literally like trying to do a friendly kind of sneer Yep You know Not a full smile I didn't want to chest-y a cat-y him and think what the fuck is that lady But lady? Oh god I don't know if I like that No A lady?

A lady's life I don't know if someone described me as a lady I think I'd be God No I am woman, I am fearless, i am sexy i'm the man yeah yeah that's what i thought all right katie let's debrief god you're just so in my mind we're just on're just on it. You're so in my mind. Right there.

I've got so many things to debrief on this week. Oh my God. Have you? Yeah, I do. Right, go on then. You start. Fine. Fine.

All right then. I'm useless in the studio. So, last Monday. Oh. I got an exclusive invite. Oh. To a album launch party. Oh, you did?

I did. I did. I did. And I went, it was a good friend, a lady I worked with, called Suri. She released an album called Building a Woman.

Oh, is that the name? Oh, I love that. It's all about female empowerment and the complexities of being a woman. I thought it was rather fabulous. Oh, gorgeous. Where was it?

It was at this place called Fiction Studios, which was really cute. It was almost like an underground library. Oh, wow. With loads of fairy lights, very intimate venue.

And she played through the whole album. It was amazing. Would recommend go stream it now. But it was fabulous. Had you heard any of the songs before?

Was this the first time? Yes. Because I've done a few concerts doing backing vocals for her. Oh, sorry, big dog. Sorry. Sorry? Yeah.

All right. Didn't know you were in Hairspray. Yeah. Yeah. Done a few gigs. All right. Sorry. The songs that she did at that concert were songs off the album that were unreleased.

Oh, wow. So she was singing along and I was like, moving a woman. You knew your part. I was like, I was like, you got it, girl. I'm like, hit that. I love it. But it was fabulous.

And then I... Did you see people you knew there? Yeah, quite a few. It was quite nice to catch up with a few people from like uni. Were there any of our old lot there? Yeah. Yeah, one was. And that was nice to catch up with them. Oh from like uni were there any of our old lot there yeah yeah one was um and that was nice to catch up with them oh nice yeah so then we had a nice little catch-up i brought my friend along we went out for drinks afterwards i love that friend i hadn't eaten all

day and i was fucking steaming on the way home i was literally like because i went straight from work to the launch yeah yeah so I'm like booked and busy. I'm like, oh, I've got work and then I've got this album launch party. Like, ah! Sorry! Oh, wow. Sorry.

I'm glad you could fit me in, guys. Social Easter. But we went out for these drinks that I had. Social Easter? Yeah. Social life. Not Social Easter. No, it's Fashion Easter.

I think it's... Oh, both. It's the amalgamation of both is around. Oh, I see. Sorry. Okay, I understand that. Yeah. Yeah, I was absolutely steaming.

I had two glasses of rosé and I went home. Everything was shut. Like, we were gabbing... Was it on a Monday? Was it last Monday? Yeah, we were gabbing away till closing. Yeah. So they were like, excuse me, you have to leave.

And I'm like, rude, sir. Oh, God. Yeah, so we left and then I got home. McDonald's wasn't open. So obviously it's a Monday night. so they were like excuse me you have to leave and I'm like rude sir oh god yeah so we left and then I got home McDonald's wasn't open so obviously it's a Monday night travesty

why would it be open at 1am so I had to go into the 24 hour off licence near us to try and find some cereal so I sat at about 1 in the morning eating

crepes love it what a way to end the night what a way to end the night perfect night what have you got up to this week? So I had a great Wednesday, last Wednesday. I went to see Punch Drunk with my sister. Oh my god. Oh my gosh. So Burnt City, so that's what it's called. Now Punch Drunk for those who don't know what it is,

it's this really immersive theatre company. So they hire out this warehouse, huge warehouse, and they create within the warehouse this piece of theatre. So it's not a normal piece of theatre where you just sit and you watch. You walk around it and you make your own story from it. So there's no pathway of this is where you should go. You kind of think, okay, I've seen this bit, I'm going to go off this. It's almost like a maze. What? Really, really interesting. Now, the Burnt City, that's what it was called, Burnt City.

And it was based around the Romans and the Greeks. So we saw the gods. We saw the queens. We saw all those stories. Are they like, is it like scenes that they've written? No, there's no speech in it. It's all movement. What? it's all movement what it's all movement it's all breath there were a few things being said but it was clearly in greek or you know

that they had they that's so cool it was very very immersive and completely um physical or physical based wow the movement pieces were gorgeous. Anyway, before we arrived, so I met my sister. And, oh my God, also, I'm just going to put something out there. So our family, we refer to people that are a bit intense or take things a bit seriously as a snodger.

What a snod. Now, my sister is the definition of a snodge. She is a fucking snod. So I arrive and she's like right here she comes and I'm like oh there she is.

She's fucking printed off the tickets. I say Millie why have you printed off the tickets? She says Kitty they said online

to print them off but they might not have let us in. Everyone's fucking I'm no blesser. I'm like might not have let us in. Everyone's looking. I know, bless her. I'm like, darling, darling. Was it in a plastic wallet? No, she didn't have a...

She wasn't that much of a judge. She didn't go too far. No, no, she didn't take it too far. I thought, I can't walk with you. Yeah. But anyway, before we'd gone in, we went to go grab a drink, literally right next to the building.

Yeah. It was so funny. And Lil and i sat there just chatting away catching up about life and this guy walks past us and he's speaking loudly and directly to people and very abrasive and lily says to me kitty he's a part of her he's a part of the he's a part of the show he He's already bringing us into it. She's deadly serious. She's deadly serious. And I said, oh, wow. I say, it starts before we get in. She goes, yeah, yeah, it does.

And I'm like, oh, wow. Anyway, the next thing you notice, I see this man walking around. And there's this couple sat next to us. And they're eating a pizza, having a few beers. And they just get up and leave. They've clearly had enough. Am I right? I see this man who's a part of it sit down and start eating the pizza and drinking the fucking beers. I say to Lily, I go Lily he's definitely not a part of it.

If we just look across right now. I said Lily he's drinking the beer. He's drinking the beer. Well Kitty don't look at him if that's what he's doing. Don't look at him. That's what he's doing. I've really misread the situation. Oh, my God. That's fucking hilarious. It was so funny. But honestly, what an incredible experience. So we went in and they give you masks.

So they give you the, they were very Greek kind of masks. You literally can just see your eyes. But that makes it that you're almost the you become the uh chorus you know with these white masks that's fun you're just walking around experiencing it all whereas the actors have no masks on so that's how you know who's in it um which is really interesting that's so interesting really interesting because you wouldn't like i wouldn't necessarily think going into like something like that oh i wouldn't be able to tell who's acting and who's not. Completely.

But they've obviously, like, given that a lot of thought. Absolutely. So that's really interesting. I think it took years to do. Years. I mean, yeah. Because we went in and it was the lighting, the set, the sounds. You know, there was this bit where this woman, obviously in Greek traged tragedies roman tragedies there's so many deaths

and sacrifices and and it's when her daughter the queen's daughter was sacrificed and you see her go like this almost get ready to scream and it's just a voiceover of a scream like right and it was so it was like interesting i mean the way everything was connected the lighting the sound and how the stories were interchanging and some people you could follow it because you'd see a character come in and there'd be a group of people following that character and walk to another place and you'd go how are they where have they come from so can you stay as long as you like so it's around three hours walking around and stuff yeah now there is an actual ending I think which only Archie

told me because he saw it but I didn't realise this so I was like alright I've done my time now is it like a museum where you walk around

and you go okay gift shop well I thought it was gift shop time because then I went back to the they had this cabaret bar which was great

which was a performance as well so I was like great I was like right at this point though it was cracking on it was about 10 o'clock

so I'm like right come on I've had enough now and then Archie was like what right. At this point, though, it was cracking on. It was about 10 o'clock. So I'm like, right, Lily, come on. I've had enough now. Yeah. And then Archie was like, what did you think? Wasn't the ending great? I'm like, the ending? What do you mean the ending?

He's like, what, the kebab on the way home? Yeah. What ending? So I think there is an ending. But if you get the chance, definitely see it. But if you go, it's something where you've had energy. You potentially have had a nice dinner before because you're not sitting there and just clapping along to no one mourns the wicked yeah it's none of that it's very it seems like a very intense thing for both the actors and the audience completely completely it's so interesting yeah

it's really interesting really cool it was and you know what they made it completely um sensory based as well because there were smells oh and um you could smell the food that they were eating and then you went through into like this um kind of dingy bit and you could smell smoke it was just incredible they completely hit the nail on the head really it was really great really really good. I know. So interesting. Okay.

So this is a topic actually that I want to discuss. Okay. Because I want to know what people have to think. And it's to do with age gaps in relationships. Interesting. Okay. So I've got a friend who's my age. Okay. So we're the same age.

And she is currently dating someone. Yeah. Who is 20 years older than her. Fuck off. So this man is 40 years old. Ooh! Spicy, okay. Yeah, yeah, spicy. I also have a very close friend who has date... I wouldn't say... No, dated, because dated doesn't mean your boyfriend and girlfriend, does it? Yeah, no. Dated is like seeing the person. She has had dates with people who are in their 30s, 40s,

and, you know, potentially had flings with them. But she has said to me, I would never date them because, you know, I would never make them my boyfriend because that's a bit too far. Whereas this other girl that I'm friends with, she is dating this man now. Like they're, what they're like... Official. Fuck. They are like girlfriend and boyfriend.

Shut up. And again, I'm not ageist or anything, but I'm thinking how does that... 20 years. How does that work? 20 years is a big difference. 20 years. Like imagine turning 20 and then your future boyfriend or girlfriend just being born

what is your opinion? I think it's so much harder because obviously the older you get the more it's noticeable it's like you know David Foster? no so he's like this record he's like this record producer I can't remember how old he is now but he's like 70, right? Okay. Did you ever watch Smash? No but you and I actually did. Yeah. The woman in it, her name's Catherine McPhee, she's like 35. They've just got married and had a baby. 40 years between them. There's a lot, there's a lot between the two of them wow it always icks me out though if the guy is substantially older because i'm like why can't you get anyone why why are you going for like 20 years younger than you yes but you can't i mean i'm not being funny but for me

no judgment to my friend here i mean she will take it as judgment. But if a guy showed me interest at that age, I mean, I'd be flattered, and that's very nice. But in my head, I'd be thinking... Something wrong with you. What's wrong with you? Yeah. Of course you're going to want a bit of this ass. Of course you're going to look at me.

Of course. You're over here. You know, of course something younger would be desirable. I get that. But what I'm thinking is, why are you not already with someone? But this is what gets me as well, though, because a lot of people... But it's not my place to judge. But hey, who are we to judge?

But who are we to judge? At the end of the day, love is love. Love is love. But I think people then like to argue the point like leonardo dicaprio and stuff but like there are 20 year old girls going for leonardo dicaprio i'm like yeah but that's because he's fucking leonardo dicaprio yeah did you see him are you telling me you wouldn't are you yeah like apparently he's quite weird with sex and stuff oh my god yes i've heard that he's really weird like i heard it as well on a podcast the other day.

So apparently he, like, will listen to music while shagging. He's got headphones on. I would be so offended. I mean, I don't know. This could all be rumours. I would be so fucking offended if I was about to shag a guy and he's like, one sec, gets his fucking over-ear headphones on. I'm like, excuse me?

Oh, my God, can you imagine? Have you had sex to music before yeah yeah but i think but was that planned like was the music already on so this is the thing go on that people i don't know about if you had this in like sixth form but like obviously like everyone starts shagging and it's all like oh oh my God, like, oh boys. But I remember people in my sick form would start curating playlists. Oh wow. That if they brought a guy back,

they'd like just turn the playlist on and it would just be like sexy tunes. What the hell? Sexy tunes. Sexy tunes. It's like, like R&B or like Daniel Caesar. Wow. So if you're in the flow of things, you don't have to be like, one sec.

And then like get Spotify out. That'd be really true. That's good at all. Imagine if it switches and then it's just like a really weird song. Yeah, I have done that before when you get in a certain rhythm. Where like you're thinking this is hot, this is really good. And then it's like. when you get in a certain rhythm where like you're thinking this is hot this is really good and then it's like

i replayed the same song like five times i've given the man about 15 minutes does that mean you've queued the song cue the song five times yeah yeah i know i'm thinking i don't want any surprises no surprises wait so are you saying that you start getting with this guy then you like slip off to the toilet you get into sport and cue the song like one two three four five six seven eight nine ten fingers crossed okay i'm a planner it's already cued i know i'm pulling but back to the age gap thing. So tell me, you're a single laddie. Laddie? Lady? No! Woman. Woman. Actually I don't like that there's a man at the end. It should be woo-woo. Wum. Wum. We should have our own. Woo-woo. Value boo-boo. You're your own value boo boo Katie. So tell me what would be the age gap that you think no I'm comfortable or what would be too much that you think now you're too old for me. Right now. Right now. 27 is too old. You're 22. 22. 5 years. 5 years.

uh you're 22 22 five years five years i'd be what so if they were 27 you'd be like or 27 to your max to be fair though we have mutual friends that are 27 it doesn't feel like they are 27 yeah like but if i was seeing a guy we're getting on really well i didn't know his age um we're just chatting chatting chatting like having a great time and he said he was 27 i'd be like okay as in that would be your maximum but if he said he was my max max max max 33 okay so you'd go up until 33 if he was like i'm 33 i in my eyes i still think i'm like 15 so i'd be like nonce i'd be like what are you be like, what's going on? But the thing is though, I've always found that girls are more mature than guys. So I think girls are more likely to go older than guys are to go older.

Yeah, of course. With the exception of your mum and dad. Mum and dad, yeah. It's such an interesting one because it so depends on the person as well. Really does. I mean I've had gets with people and then I'm thinking you are a lot older than me. I think yeah I think gets is a... That doesn't matter does it? You're YOLOing right there. That's a big YOLO. You get with him and then you're like YOLO. Actually mine was pretty bad I remember going clubbing at 16, fake ID,

and getting with this guy. Yeah, because I'm just cool like that, Katie. I saw the judgment in your eyes. Sorry, Victor. I saw the side eye. But I remember going clubbing at 16 and getting with this guy who was 32. And I was like...

And I thought, God, I'm like, yeah, he's a bit of me. I think I like a bit of him then getting with him and thinking yeah you want a bit of this yeah yeah but he told me that he was 27 so he played the game as well because I told him that I was 22

I said oh I'm 22 and he said oh I'm 27 and then later on my friend was with me and she's like lol she's 16 i fucking love that girl but we'd had a few woos by then so we were like you know loving love the lips were loosened yeah and then he was like oh shit and i was like yeah fair and i was like but you know you're only like 11 years older than me he was like i'm 32 i was like, yeah, fair. And I was like, but, you know, you're only like 11 years older than me. He was like, I'm 32. I was like... That's so embarrassing.

I was like, well, you can't be annoyed because you lied as well. Yeah. We lied to each other. We're both liars here. This is why I can never trust what anyone says on a night out. I remember one time we went on a night out in Cambridge. We were in the smoking area and we were chatting to these two guys who were Americans. They said, do you go to college here?

And obviously college in America is university. So, but we were in sixth form college. So I was like- Oh, so did you think they meant sixth form? Yeah. Oh, that's a fair mistake. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was like, what college are you part of?

And then I clocked and I was like, oh, he means like what Cambridge college. So I was like Trinity. So I, for the evening, was a lovely law student at trinity college in cambridge baffling away i then meet someone else on the same night out who said he was an raf pilot and i was like i was like oh funny i was like oh you're lying as well yeah i was like oh funny funny yeah i was like oh yeah raf pilot and he's like no I seriously am an RAF pilot I'm like I'm like okay and you're playing home then like come on like yeah go on I'm like oh sure

show me your controls you can drive a plane well done buddy keep that up tonight and then he got his ID out oh he wasn't actually you were like oh I felt bad for him because he got abandoned by his group of friends because there's an RAF base near Cambridge him because he got abandoned by his group of friends because there's an RAF base near Cambridge and then he got abandoned by his group of friends. Well, at least he could fly back. I know. I'm like, come on.

Come on then, big dog. Craft a plane if you're so fucking smart. Yeah. Go on. Yeah. But I can just... That's so funny. But I would always just assume someone's lying on a night out.

Yeah. Yeah. Especially about age. Yeah. Oh my gosh, yeah. So with the age range, yeah. Especially about age. Yeah. Oh my gosh, yeah. So with the age range, 33 would be too much. Yeah.

Okay, so let me say, love your life, he's 33. Well, I guess that would be fine, but it would just be... Okay. But that's your max. It would freak me out.

My God, imagine if you brought a 33-year-old man home. I'd be like, Katie. This is the thing, imagine going on your couple's holiday this weekend and the boyfriend, and say I'm coming, which I'm not. Oh, darling. I'm so jealous.

I'm like, stop going on couple's holidays because I can't partake. Well, you can. I'll just find someone. I'll pull them off the street. I'm like, listen, you've gotta be free this weekend. Please, I've gotta bring someone. Please. But imagine I'm coming and I'm like,

but you've never met him before. And I'm like, oh my God, I love David. And you're like, oh my God, I can't wait to meet him. And it's like a big reveal and he's 40. You'd feel like you're on holiday with your parents. I would. He'd be old enough to be my dad yeah that's the issue i think i love is love i wouldn't think to myself i wouldn't say to you

if you're like no i really love him i wouldn't be like yeah but he's 40 to break up with it i wouldn't because i i'd trust you and i'd be like okay it's what you see in him however that doesn't mean that i wouldn't be wary I would I think I probably would you know have some girl time and be like how do you feel about this age gap yeah because obviously elephant in the room he's got a cane um yeah so and then the other way around so age gap would you ever go younger no you wouldn't well probably i would yeah there's one there's one there's one man there's one man i don't blame you i don't blame you that man i love him he is one sexy man i love him but he is younger than me. Not by a lot guys, I'm not gonna catch a kiss but I'm like... No he's not that... he's only two years younger than you so you know.

But... But he is one sexy man. He's a very very very sexy man. So for him yes. For him yes, for others no. But would you date him? Like, date that age? No, no. Okay, so only Shaq.

Not unless they were, like, very mature. But, like, I feel like we're still quite young, so younger is, like, coming out of sick form. No. And I'm like... No. Yeah, okay, I get what you mean, though. This is interesting.

Mm-hmm. People who go older, is it, like, like a power thing i like older boys always yeah and before arch i don't think i've my previous guys that i've liked or been with i've always been older i liked that they were slightly more mature but then i think back on a few of them and i'm like were they more mature yeah know so I'm not quite too sure I think it turns me on a bit I think it's a sexy thing it is sexy

for me I'm like oh I quite like that they're a bit older than me it's always a bonus isn't it where you go oh my god they're fit they're exactly my type and they're older

and you're like ooh and Archie's only six months older than me but I still am clinging on to him he's an older man I'm still dating

an older man a few weeks still dating an older man. A few weeks ago on the pod, we talked about how boys can find it attractive when girls approach them. Yes. However, sometimes they do too much. And it's, ah, that's the ick. Yeah. Now, you told me recently that you spoke to our group of friends, our guy group of friends. Yes.

And you asked them this. Yes. And you have got an answer. So tell me, Katie, because I'm really interested in this. So this was very interesting. And I think it's nice in the sense that, like, it was that night where you and Archie were away. So it was literally just. You were out for drinks.

I was just out for drinks. Yeah. And it was just. With the boys. Me and the guys. Yeah so it was literally just you out for drinks I was just out for drinks and it was just with the boys me and the guys yeah I was like sometimes they weren't quite nice

I'm like look after me they were all older men so you were loving them they were all older men so I was loving my life loving life but I thought

do you know what whilst we're all sat here let me take the opportunity because fucking hell what do boys talk about they're boring they're boring their chat is boring if you're a man you're boring like literally oh so work was good i'm like

oh not the world again so just ask me if i'm rather a potato or a sweet potato come on like come on some content yeah let's pick up the convo yeah so i said listen boys i've got a question to kind of eek out to you all i said what is too much you say you say you're so attracted to girls who go after what they want and like if a girl came up to you because i said do you ever get tired of being like oh i'm really gonna have to put some effort in yeah and they were like yes oh interesting they're like oh i just can never really like be asked like sometimes it's really hard because you know they're really attractive but you know you're gonna have to put the graft in and then that's a lot of effort yeah fair i wouldn't yeah like they said that it's too much of an ick apparently if a girl would plan the date oh wow which i thought was interesting because i think if i even do more than stare at

a man on a night out i think i'm being too much i think i'm coming across very desperate if i approached a man on a night out i I'd be like, oh my God, I'm literally throwing myself at this man. It's so embarrassing. What if he pies me? Like, this is Katie's eternal bond law. I'm walking up all so smooth and I'm like, don't do it, girl.

Don't do it. Don't embarrass yourself. But they said that if they were chatting to a girl and they were going to organise a date, they would be icked out and find it coming on too strong. If the girl was then like, oh my God, yeah, I've actually booked this place for the two of us. I think it would be really good. Okay.

So what they're saying is they like the girl to come over to show an interest. Yeah. Great. But then if she's found the place, booked the place, found the time. So why do you think that is? And I think they were very much like, which was quite nice of them. They were like, we want to treat you. Like we want to show that we're like good at organizing stuff.

We want to show that we've taken an interest in what you want. And we want you to feel treated, especially on a first date. I was like, boys! Good boys, good boys. So that's so interesting. I want to hear other people's perspectives. Yeah, please let us know. And the male perspective as well,

if you could tell us. Maybe with some other boys, I mean, it's all really personal, isn't it? Yeah. So if you feel different about that, please let us know. Katie and I want to know. Yeah.

Ready, guys? Let's get into the... Icks. Okay, Katie. Ping-pong me. Tell me. I've actually only got one this week. I have two icks. Okay, you go first.

One is a Katie Leach special. I gave myself the ick. Oh, my God. This is so interesting because I've got an ick that actually you did. So maybe it's the same. So tell me. Oh, good. I'm getting attacks yeah every corner in this room how last week this week will you ever have a break will you ever live in a happy world I can't believe I gave you the ear okay to just you wait I'm so I'm not gonna love it all right tell me what you did't I'm so unlikable you're gonna love it oh no I'm not gonna love it alright tell me what you did so I went to go see this friend

after this launch party I was a bit sloshed getting on the tube home we were on the tube together okay and then I got off and she stayed on so we gave each other

like the goodbye goodbye oh so lovely oh can't wait to see you soon like oh get home save text when you get home and I stood up and then

then we're just standing like she she sat down stayed sat down but i think i said the goodbyes too early no no no okay goodbye no and then i'm like doors the doors need to open the doors need to open like because oh then we were just sat there like yeah and then we had to get up and i was like, gave myself the hit there. Right, ping pong me. Thank you. I've got the best one. So, Katie Leach. God lover.

God lover. She cannot sit in silence. This bitch cannot sit in silence. So, the good thing about when you've got a great friendship is you can sit there

for hours and literally just sit there in silence. Go on TikTok, maybe have a cheeky spoon but you don't need to talk because you're at one with each other. Katie cannot. She cannot be in silence go on tiktok maybe have a cheeky spoon but you don't need to talk because you're at one with each other katie cannot she cannot be in silence so she has a few um phrases that she likes to say that kind of fill the space if she thinks i need to talk right now

um and the other night we were all in the kitchen and we literally just chilling i think the four of us were all there yeah and we're making dinner we're just chilling and then i think i go on my phone or she's on her laptop wherever and it just kind of goes silent now katie's done this one before we might have finished a conversation and she'll just go yeah anyway this time i've written it down because i wanted to get Yeah. And I'm actually looking at her like, what is going on? Anyway, this time I've written it down because I wanted to get...

What did I say? So we sat there at the table. We've literally finished a conversation. It's maybe been 30 seconds and we're in silence. I'm scrolling through TikTok, all of this. And you just sit there. I can see the beads are square. Coming from your face.

I've got white as a street. Panting, thinking, oh God, I've got to fill this space. And you go, yeah, I get that. That's interesting. What? What are you doing there? Archie and I look up from what we're doing, look at you and we go, wait, Casey, what's interesting? And you go, yeah, I don't know.

Actually, I just felt I needed to fill the space. And I was like, what? You're a space filler. I am. And do you know what? I didn't realize I did it until you started saying it. But like, genuinely, we'll finish a conversation. And I'd be like, and yeah, so that was my day.

And I'm like, oh, but yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, I get you. It's interesting. Uh, yeah. I'm like, Katie, it's fine. You can sit in the silence. You just panic. It was so funny. It's so funny. Right, let me ping pong you. Ready? Okay, go on. I saw yesterday is when people use their Apple watch to pay for things. What? Especially when- I didn't know you could do that. Yeah you can actually link your wallets. I actually haven't done it so maybe it's more jealousy than it. I don't have to.

I don't know how to do it but someone went to go pay for something and you just type it on the card reader yeah but they were kind of they had a bag in hand so they were kind of like trying to get it on the card reader like just use your phone oh that's interesting but then I saw someone coming off the tube as well so you can do it contact us on the tube wow however he had it on the wrong hand so so the tube the tube things were on like his right side yeah he had it on the wrong hand so so the tube the tube things were on like his right side yeah he had it on his left hand so when he went to go pay he had to like directly like smooth himself like he was literally like and then it didn't work so then he was like so I was just behind him like waiting for him to go through and he's like oh no that's so embarrassing and's uh that's just your phone's

in your pocket just use your phone yeah questions of the week of the week so i will preface oh no oh no what you could have to preface that this was from friend of the podcast, Arch Griffiths. Oh, okay. My question is, do you think a man and a woman can ever be just friends if they're both single? Ooh. Ooh. This is a really good question.

Yeah. To which I will have to say no. I think one party always fancies the other. And I'm not saying have to be infatuated, but one party, because there are so many male friends that I have, that I have now had to not be friends with anymore. But from my side, I'm like, I love him.

Like, oh my gosh gosh i love that guy and then i found out there's a you know an ulterior an ulterior motive completely and i'm not saying it's always the guy that fancies the girl but the girl can feel the same or at least think yeah i've definitely think thought about shagging you in the past yeah and and that's then not just friends but i think of our very friend, I have never ever in any capacity thought of him in a sexual way. Yeah. Because he's my friend. I think of him as my brother.

Yeah. You know, I love that boy to pieces. But if he ever tried it on, I'd be like, this is fucking strange. Yes. I'd be like, because you are my friend. Yes. So in that case, I'm like, from my point of view, I think boys and girls can never just be friends if they're both single.

I would agree. No, they can't. They can't. No, they can't. I would... Go on, tell me. I would agree, but you're going to hate this. Oh, no, go on.

Because it's basically the plot guides to the best film ever made called One Hair and My Salad. Oh, God. The crux of the entire film ever made called one harry mcsalary oh god the crux of the entire film is can men and women truly be friends i think it's true though in the sense that there's all from one party that there's something even if it's not from both i think especially if you're both single like i think yeah and i'm not saying you have to be infatuated writing love letters but are you telling me you've never

thought about it that's silly never you've never thought she looks fit or never thought oh I really want to fucking kiss her

have you never thought that would I'd be so surprised if a guy had a single female friend. He was single.

Yeah. Girl was single. Yeah. And they were like, no, I've never thought about them like that. Yeah. Yes, you have. And I think it's the same as well when you're in a relationship. Yeah.

And either your boyfriend has like a close female friend or like I have a close male friend. I think, of course, the other party, you know, will be a bit, what are their intentions? Until you kind of get the vibe and you meet them, fine. Yes, yes. You know? Like, you know, I've got quite a close male friend. And I think Arch was like, what's kind of going on there? I was like, from my side, nothing.

And I'm sure from his side, nothing as well. Yeah. But I would feel the same if Arch was like, this is my really, really close girlfriend'm like yes i know you see her as a friend but i think in the past she could have thought different yeah you know it's all that kind of stuff absolutely silly question question this is a really good one you're gonna love this okay okay sit yourself in if you and i were in the hunger games oh fuck oh fuck who do you think is most likely to survive? Wait. Wait for it.

And also, what is your speciality? So have you got the bow and the arrow? Have you got the painting? Are you more physical with the fighting? And what would you be rated? Because you know when they first go into the arena, they get score okay of how good they are so 12 is like they're fucking gonna boss this okay what's your skill how would you survive how well are you gonna do i think i'd probably die in the hunger games in the first 30 seconds

of me starting i think you know what i? Don't do the countdown. And I'm going, No, you'd see a rucksack of cranes and you'd go, oh, run off the platform and I think my chances of survival would be low. Okay. I think my rating would maybe be like a five.

Okay. Because they're like, listen, she's a lamb for the slaughter. She's going to die. But you'd be great like television. I'd be good entertainment, which is why I think I'd maybe be like a five or a six because I think people would love to see it. They'd be like, fuck it, Katie's going into it. You would get sent things because you know how you can get sponsored by the public?

Oh my God, like fan mail? No, dickhead. You can get sponsored in the sense of if they love you, they'll send you in things. So I think you could survive off that because the public would like you. I think my special skill, could I have like swimming? Yeah. I think I'd get like my special skill, I'd have like flippers, magic flippers, and I'd swim. Right. And no fucker could catch, and I'd swim. Right.

And no fucker could catch me because I'm too fucking big. But what are you going to do when you have to get out of the water? I wouldn't because I could eat the fish. Are you going to sleep? In the water. In the water? I'd do a Harry Potter. I'd have some gillyweed.

But we can't be doing that. So I could breathe under the water. Is it obvious that I watched The Hunger Games like 10 years ago? I love The Hunger Games. You know what I would do is become part of the pack. So I'd become part of a pack and I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when they least expect it, boom. Boom.

I'm dead. Keep one eye open when I'm sleeping. One eye. Yeah. I'd be such a pushover though because I could be betrayed so easily because someone could literally be on the floor like dying like I need water and I'm like oh there you go my love

and they're like boom killed you dickhead dickhead dickhead and then they'd be dying and you'd go but yeah you're thinking this awkward silence I know you're dying but no but you're really ruining the vibe of communication

I'm gonna have to fill it they're really ruining the vibe of communication. I'm going to have to fill it. They're taking their final breaths. I'm like, that's really interesting. Completely gay. Guys, well, that's brought us to the end. All that fun and frocks for another Monday. All the fun and games next week, week guys we'll see you

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