The Debrief - Do Two Wrongs Make a Right? | The Debrief Podcast

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Welcome back to The Debrief! This week we are discussing and debating wrong decisions, do two wrongs truly make a right? Does everything happen for a reason? As always please email us [e-mail] or DM us @the.debriefpodcast with any debriefs or dilemmas xx Have the best week! Lots of love, K+K x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I've got a rebel soul I've got a rebel soul Welcome to the Ghee Break with your co-host Kismet now Kind of large Now the winds are upon us There's a storm growing There's a storm, for real

Bit cold now I went out in a bra, a top, a jumper and a coat. And I was like, I put the heating on. Not here before our housemate has a flit. No. So I went for coffee with Archie and our other housemate yesterday. And Archie and I was saying how we... How did you?

Oh, this is always the way when Katie's at work. We're all working for America. And Archie and I were like, we were so cold. we could put the heating on. Our housemate was like, no. And then Arch said, yeah, okay, fair. Maybe let's wait until, like, October. He said, no, we'll wait till December.

We don't need it in November. I was like, we don't need it in November. Do you remember how cold back to see fireworks are? At our flat, I declared, is draft day. Yeah. There's a draft for sure. I think it's because the living room is so big. All right.

All right, boo. All right, boo. All right, babe. But I usually like to have my bedroom window open. and I like to keep it fresh and air, right? But I've had to, like, I'm like, this is freezing. I've had my window open before to let fresh listen.

It just feels damp. It does, no, not one part of it feels like crisp. It feels like my sheets are wet. Yeah, yeah. It feels like this condensation. Yes, yes, I agree. And I just can't be having it. Yeah, that's horrible.

I've noticed it because I get up for work quite early. Yeah. But in the summer, yeah. My alarm goes off at like half five, 20 past five for work. It's light. I heard you go this. morning. Yeah. And that always means a bit more time in bed.

Yeah, next to me. I'm like, poor Katie. I, like, it's fine. It's sunny-ish. Yeah. Suns are coming up. This morning I woke up. Was it dark? It could have been 2 o'clock in the fucking morning. No. Pitch black. And it didn't get light.

This is where I'd love for global warming to happen. I don't think global warming like... Could it lack to, though? Could it not? Not. Really? I don't think, are you 100% sure? I think I'm like 70% sure or global warming wouldn't make the sunrise lighter at an earlier time.

Okay, just didn't make it hotter. I think that's the planet. That's the planet. You can't mess with the rotation of the planet. I felt similar. I usually leave him at about 6'4.5 or I aim to. And in the summer it's been bloody lovely. Oh, I've been waking up with the birds.

to chirping and like, but this is lovely. Hello. Today it wasn't that bright. I left in it was. It was bright when I left. I didn't leave. So it's called five today. It was about seven.

But I was like, okay, it's bright, but it wasn't where it should be. It was bleak. I was like, oh no. It was bleak. Oh no. And I remember walking to work in the dark and then sat at the desk for another hour

until it got live. And I was like, oh no. I know. And it's really starting to like, this is where. like definitely not sponsored but sponsored my sunrise alarm clock comes in handy you love that because i woke up and i was like if the light was off right now i genuinely would call it would call it i can't get it there's no way i'm getting out of bad i might not get it's not happening

yeah look let's not be complete negative never else we can watch him back off oh yeah we've been watching which makes me think i should start making bread I'm like, oh, I think you and I should, I can't wait till we're famous enough that they ask us to go on the celebrity bake-off. It's honestly a real, genuine dream of mine. That would be, honestly, a lot of fun. Celebrity Bake-off, or Strictly.

Now, I'm a pure, pure, I'm a celebrity, I'm a celebrity. I could never do I'm a celib. I'd love to do I'm-slaught. You'd be really good on. I would love to do arm's lab. I could given, I think I'd get emotional though. You would. Like, I'd be like, God, I miss my family and friends. Honestly, like, I reckon, though, I genuinely could see you pulling and I'm a celebrity

get me out of here in one of the trials. I think if anything was to do with rats or mice. You know, when they put them in that, I genuinely could. I would try to be really strong. Like, really strong. bringing you strong. I'd go in with the aim of like, common girl, common girl, come on girl, come on girl, common girl. I would never refuse to do the challenge. I would be, I would never be like, no.

I cried. The only time I really struggle is when you have to do the underwater, you know, when you have to swim and go in those tanks. I don't like that. I think, and I'm not great swimming. I can't go deep in water. Can you know what?

I've noticed. I literally can't go anywhere. I'm literally like a belly bay. My arm floating me out. I try to push down. I noticed. in Bali. I cannot for the life of me. No, I'm not

going anywhere. I thought I was halfway down the ocean. My bar was some funny in the air and I said, you haven't moved. So you've just turned and twerked in the air for like five a second. I'll say it's stop. No way. No way. I know. Right, should we crack on? Let's do it. Mantras. Mantra. So my answer for this week is to do

with the theme. Yeah. And it is chaos. Clarity over chaos. Yeah. Clarity over chaos and that'll make sense when we start talking about the theme of the episode but sometimes

when you're not really sure what decision to make what gives you more clarity and what's more chaotic yeah I hear that and sometimes you just need to that'll make things easier if you put them into two different compartments

that is nice it is it is tell me your mantra this week my mantra is I am open to new opportunities Yeah, and love it. Yes. Love, love, love. Yes.

I've been told recently that perhaps I'm not the most open person. They'll tell the deep pretty full. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Guys, guys, guys, guys, you'll die. You'll die. You'll die. Oh, guys.

We went to, this was ages. This was months ago. I basically was, someone was trying to set me up with a friend of theirs. I don't respond well to set up. No, you don't. Because I'm also. like I hate pressure on situations like, let me do the way. Let me live, let me do the way.

If it's going to be something, it'll be something, but like, please don't be like, because also, people don't set up all, it's always, this is Katie, and then you two all hit, and it's like, actually genuinely kill me. No. It's enough now. Yeah, that's way too much for me. So I was getting set up with this guy. I didn't think it would be, I didn't think I'd like him.

Yeah, okay. From the friend that was introducing, I was like, I have a feeling I'm not going to like this guy. He arrived, the guy that I was getting settled with, arrived viciously hungover. He was so hungover to the point where I'm like, I don't think you want to, he would take his sunglasses off. Oh, that's slightly rowed.

Which was also... I'm like, what am I talking to you in sunglasses? Yeah. Because you're so hungover, you can't take them off. Yeah, it's also a bit rude. It's like, I'm trying to talk to you here. So then, in fairness, I, by that point, had completely shut down any idea of anything happening.

I literally was like, this isn't, this isn't going to go anywhere. I'm not even, and in fairness, maybe this was maybe a defensive. Wouldn't really give the luxury of a conversation because I was like, this is just, this isn't happening. This is dumb. So this isn't, go home, go to bed. So he started talking to me and I'm like, oh yeah, giving terrible chat. Because I'm also like, you're hungover.

I'm assuming you don't really want to be talking to you or being fixed up with me either. Yeah, yeah, yeah. you've talked about is how hungover you are. Yeah. Well, you wouldn't believe my surprise when I find out, months later, a few months ago, a few weeks, like this event we were getting settled with, was in March. April March. Stop it, was it?

And then I found out, literally like two weeks ago, the friend that was setting us up goes, oh no, he was really into you. You could have fooled me. Could have fooled me. You could have glass and your hair over. And the exact words were, yeah, he thought you were hot. but just really bruised. And I love it.

And you know what? I couldn't even be fair. I love it. I was like, fair enough. I really are. Is it, I have you seen that like, um, TikTok show and it's like, love or like crying, crying and then like,

like, yeah, no, yeah, yeah. It's like when they call me really hot. No, when they call me rude, but really not. I was like, I was like, thank you. That's real. But like, yes, I'm trying to be a lot more open to things. Because then weirdly, I turn to you guys, like, can you, can you believe, like,

my therapist told me that I'm potentially not very open to opportunities. And then I turned to everyone around me that knows me very well, can you, like, isn't that just the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? And everyone goes, like, fuck, so old stuff, that. Well, like, we can believe that. Yeah, we've been telling you that. We're the best. Yeah, like, interesting, interesting.

So it's my song for this week is, Olivia D. yeah man i need man i need man man man man man man ma ma ma ma ma ma ma ma ma ma'am oh i love that song so good it's a great song

so good for me the man I need I'm not oh Olivia Dean's a very like comforting soul writer like like her energy feels very autumnal like slow something like morning kind of vibes I was this thing to her the other day

and I was like yeah I'm nothing that Yeah, you're a vibe, you're a vibe. Tell me your song this week. My song this week, actually, it's a bit of a throwback. Oh, and it is. My milkshake brings on a month to the yarn, and it's like, it's been a bit. You know, I've been seeing the dolls on TikTok,

and I was like, I used to listen to this on CD with my bowl in the car, and used to be like, are they talking about milkshakes? And my mom was like, yeah. It's like I used to sing Whistle Baby, or I want to take a ride on your disgusting. I used to say that around the kitchen, like, every day. Oh, I don't take you around to my phone. It's like, it's got me on.

They're like, it literally, like, it's so funny to me. It's so good. But I love it. I love it. It's better than y'allel and I'm like, it's better than y'all's, right?

I will never not think of mean girls. Mean girls, yeah. Oh my God, on a separate note, we need to talk Halloween, and that just made me think of that. Oh, my God, yeah, we really do. I've got, I've actually got a list. I'm going to ask you and ask to, like, decide.

Okay, thank God. On who I hate to be. No idea. I think Paddington's out of the window. Yeah. I don't know. This year. Maybe next year.

I think it's perfect. Okay. But we'll see. We'll say. Okay. So, Reckers? Yes. Recker and Reck and Reck and Reck and Reck.

This week is Haring the Hound in Isheen. So, chitin on. So, Chitin on. Can I just say, have a hell do you turn this on? Is it just not telling me? It might have genuinely died. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it might have been here.

Okay, let's believe her. Hair and the Hand in East Sheen. Cates and I went there for a friend's birthday for candle painting, which was lovely. So fine. Now, can I say, Heron Hound is possibly the best beer garden I've ever, ever been to? It's so lovely. Now, I know we're going into colder weather, but they had heaters outside.

As well as blankets and cushions, we got this little cabin and it was decorated with flowers inside. And it wasn't just like the shit that you'd get and were like, there's literally cigarette butts in here. And there's spider webs. Yeah. There were flowers all around.

It was so decorative. It had like all tonneal leaves. And then it had like photos and picture frames. And then it had heaters inside these little cabins. So it's like, and it was amazing. And I asked our friend, like, Did you need to rent these out? No?

For your knowledge. So we actually had like 15 girls or candlepity. It was such a wholesome. Get yourself to the hair and hand. Hair and hand issue. Love tea part. Right. Ready?

Are you ready? Let's debrief. Okay, so for this week we're talking about making the right decision. Yeah. Perhaps some wrong decision. Can I like? Two wrongs. Maybe do my right.

Absolutely. We'll do that. Do they? This is the biggest question. Yeah. So our listeners have written in a few dynomas about whether they've made the right decision or advice on making the decision. Yeah. Because sometimes it is quite hard to tell when you're getting a lot of outside opinions.

Yeah. It's hard to be like, am I making a right decision here now? Or am I doing it for someone else's benefit? Right. So we've got a few dilemmas today. But Katie, can you kick us off with the first one? Oh, I can. Okay.

So, I was seeing two guys casually, and it got to the point where I had to choose. Yay. Oh, my God. One was this fun, spontaneous, slightly chaotic entrepreneur. No one says entrepreneur anymore. Entrepreneur. And I love that. Entrepreneur.

Entrepreneur. Start up business, man. Yeah. And the other was a really stable, kind, sort of boring accountant. Right. Sort of boring. I picked the stable one thinking it was the mature choice. You know, the guy who takes back shows up on time and brings me.

soup when I'm ill, right? Okay. Right, this is your Jeremiah. Okay, there's... Yeah, yeah. My family met him, and now they're obsessed. My mum keeps saying he's amazing and that I finally picked someone normal

and they all think he's the one. And he is, but I don't know if I just want the safe option. Yeah. For my birthday in August, he bought me a second-hand electric bike and fixed it up himself so I wouldn't be wasting money online, but I'm really... Like, no, I'm sorry. That's really kind.

No, I'm sorry. That's ridiculous. That's really kind. No, I'm just. sorry, Casey. If someone bought me an electric bike for my birthday to save money online bikes, I'd be like, are you my dad? Really? Would you not like that? Absolutely not. I think that's, I'd be quite taken aback by that. That won't be taken about for work. I've just got the second-hand electric bike and done it off you so you can save money on line bikes. Off you go. Here's a strawberry helmet.

that's really kind. It's kind, but it's not giving sexy and passion. But maybe he has a sexy gift. It's giving, it is potentially giving dad, papa. It's giving papa better. Big bowl of porridge. So she said, I see the gesture. I know it came from a good place, but it's not very romantic. No, I agree. And all I did was stand there smiling one. Everyone said, oh, that's so thoughtful. And all I can think about was what the other guy did. Oh, this was been the year before. So, the chaotic one took me to the Shangri-La. We have the most sensational sex with the finest lingerie.

Had so much chemistry, and he gave me a necklace I'd wanted for ages, and I'd mentioned just in passing. Oh, this is my own. It wasn't just beautiful. It had our birthstones on it, mine and my mum's who passed away last year. And he found the company reserved the piece over the phone and went in to buy it.

I just sobbed it. It was so thoughtful and personal about him beyond. Oh. Oh, that all an electric buying. But my parents think he's just a fantasy. They say it's the kind of relationship that will always crash in ban. No. Maybe they're right, but now I'm stuck with someone who feels like a good idea,

and I can't just think about the one that made me feel alive. Pett your Chuck Bass, not your Prince Louis. Take your Chuck Bass. Did I choose wrong, or do I just need to accept that being an adult means going for a guy that buys your practical bike? A practical bike. Oh, I feel really bad. I feel really bad for practical bike, man.

But it seems that you had, if you got, this is the summer I'm how pretty in our child, the one that gives you fireworks, called Radford Shireland. You've got to chase that, even if you're sad. Weirdly, someone I know started seeing someone. And she was saying, Weirdly.

Weirdly. People do that. People, like, people, well, go on a date tag. People on a day. People on a day. I'm not particularly none of that. This is weird concept called dating.

But she started seeing someone and when she came off the first date with him, she was like, I've met my man. I've really fucking met my man. I feel fireworks. I feel electric around him. And she was like, I'm just waiting for it all to crash and burn. What? She was like, it just seems too good to be true.

It's so fiery. There's so much passion, so much fire. I genuinely am really nervous for the fallout. And I think she's like, you can't focus on that. And they're boyfriend and girlfriend, no. Yeah, see, we can't have this negative. I personally, it's, this was a name. I could never be with someone just because other people want me to be.

No. Don't get me wrong. Coming from a girl who's got the massive approval from my family with Arch and they adore him. Yeah. That's not why I went for him. No.

And I couldn't be with someone and be like, oh, he got, he elected. trip by so nice when I'm thinking about being in this hotel with this like it goes back to I mean there's two phrases in this piece of advice if you're in love with two people go for the first one go for the second one because you wouldn't have turned you back yeah or there's if you're in love with two people don't pick either of them because neither of them are giving you the whole thing that you want.

Yeah. But I'm not really hearing any negative about this. I'm kind of like team. Alexa, I can't. No, me too. I'm team sexy man. I'm team sexy man.

And he got her and that netters. I'm also reserved it. I'm like, how? I just feel so bad. Because like, I feel like we've all been the mystery of a true bike man at one point in our lives.

But I'm, I'm waiting at me Christmas. Not quite even Christmas was, me birthday. As well, if he was like, wait outside because I'm assuming he'd have to roll it and you'd be like what the fuck is he I'd be like Porsche I've got car, rain drivers in the driveway give it to me I just an electric bike just something on line bikes are you joking me no Katie I'm not happy to this yeah I'm free I don't know what because here's the thing though yeah if it was just friendly if a friend did that to me I'll be like you and lost with me yeah if I'm not mentioning

Yeah. Oh my God, I hate the price of mine buys and just rinsing money. And a friend. Fixed up a bike. A friend, a platonic friend, bought a bike and fixed it up and said, it's for you. It's like when Jacob does it with Bella, do you remember with the... Jacob? It's like when he does the bike up. It's kind of sexy. It's like that, it's not, it's not just friendly, but it's not, it's not just like... So it doesn't feel platonic between her and this guy. But she's saying, she's like, everyone's like, that's so kind. And she was like, look, yeah.

What appears to advice I would give you is don't break up with him because of the gifts. No. Because men can learn. Men can learn. You can tell them what gifts you want. Yeah. But if you are in your bed at night thinking about Mr. lingerie shrunk Shangri-changri-changri-chang-ru-law, honey, you're not in the right relationship. No.

And I would say if you're, if you're like, and great, your parents like him. Yeah. But you don't have to shag him and marry him. No. Like, and they'll get over it. Yeah, they'll get over it. And just because they're saying it's the first normal guy again. Well, I don't want normal.

Yeah. And I want a passionate, extraordinary. Yeah. I've got your dog. I think you need to take a little bit of time. If you can't see yourself, this electric bite man sounds like he's in it for the long haul. Yeah. So I think you need to do him with the respect of being like, do I want to be in the long haul?

with that. I think you need to think about that. And also, like, actually someone I know this happened to where she was with someone for like three years and she was like, and they broke up. And I was like, what the fuck happened? Because you guys were so happy. It was so, so solid.

And she was like, it was either we move in together and that was it or there was someone else. And I just always had thought that he wouldn't be my forever person. Fuck, can you imagine so much you? now I'm pretty sure she's almost engaged. Can you imagine someone say that? She was like... You're not white person.

She was like, I always just thought he'd be this kind of person. Fill out. Like, I feel up. But then it grew into something where I really liked him, but I just, I couldn't see myself with him in the long haul. Fair. I think this girl needs to self-reflex and be like... Because I'm not telling you to be a passionate Shangri-R man.

No. But if you can't stop thinking about him, then you need to get rid of electric bite man. Yeah. Because he sells it. for the long haul. Next, he'll be doing, making you a married car

with your personal set so you can play it from home. But, oh my God. You need to be honest with this guy. Oh, you need to take time because what you could do is break up with him have a bit of time and Shag the Shangri-Lite guy.

Get that, resisted, but still be like, actually, he wasn't worth it either. But if you're thinking about this other guy, you have to pursue that. Electric guy and not your man. No, no. Let him make a mind for someone else. Yeah, let him make a bike for someone.

one else yeah right you ready for the next one yeah okay read it to me girl so girls help i lied about my salary and now it's back following oh oh tough tough tough one alive and not so for context i live with three other people who have very high profile jobs they all make a lot more money than me i've never said what my salary is but because of the position it was they always assumed i was on less money than them, which I know I definitely was. Okay. However, I was getting sick of all the little subtle digs or hints of, no, let's go somewhere we can all afford.

Don't split the bills evenly, even when some of us are conscious about spending. Oh. I was getting sick of it. I started a new job recently and accidentally told my flatmates that I'm on more money than I actually am. Way more money. I exaggerated and told them I'm on a six-fay-a-sendary.

Sorry. Sorry. Oh, no one's going to question them either. No, no one's going to be like, where's your pacelette? No. Show me that pacelet. No. That's so funny.

Oh, no. I just think I panicked in the moment. I got sick of their digs, and it all just sort of came out, and I didn't correct it. Okay. Yeah. Now they're suggesting expensive holidays, boogie, bottomless branches, and splitting things evenly and saying things like, this one's on you because they think I'm rolling in it, but I literally can't afford it. Oh, geez.

I'm drowning financially and trying to keep up with a lie I need for no reason. is there a way to backtrack that looks like a total idiot or do I just come clean and own the cringe or do I say I've moved jobs again but I don't know if I can take the humiliation literally quit quit your job

What the fuck? Right no not the work of fuck since I'm going to make you feel shit First of all I can see how you've got yourself in a web I can see how you've got yourself in a web And also as little this muffet Keep shoving it in your face I'd like

And you're like I'm fucking sick of it I get it. okay i'd get it i got it i told someone once someone said to me once like this girl was like we were talking about someone we both knew mutually and she was like oh no and she made a comment she wasn't a nice person she was like he would never fancy oh like just been there like he doesn't fancy you i lied and i was like we'll tell me why we kissed then good no good and then she said what you mean i was like yeah i was in the song good like that was so rude and you should never lie because what if she proved him about that?

She left her. She never probed him. But I'm like, what if she went up to this guy and was like, how is that? Kiss with Katie. He's like, who? Like, you know, so I get why you want. Oh, I get how you've got in the web of life.

You're sick of the little comment. Yes. And your life only needs to get my two points in, well, I'm on a T's figure salary. And everyone's like, crack it. And they're like, oh, okay, well, we'll stop the jokes. But now the jokes have gone the other way, like, well, it's on you. You can't.

financially corrupt yourself because of this you can't it's not worth that what do you advise her to do i genuinely quit your job i genuinely don't know how to advise because i shoot me down dead before i sit everyone down and go so i lied oh my god that's so embarrassing about my salary and you can't you so they've made budget cuts at work i don't know because if they're high-profile people something in me thinks they'd be pedantic in check like LinkedIn or like news business

I don't know I don't know I would start soft watching that you're not enjoying your job I'm sorry but what happens if she does like her job that's that's unfortunate because you must leave

I don't know I don't know I don't have to advise I really don't because I think that conversation is horrendously awkward and just not worth it I believe it out. You could lie and be like,

gone enough money for my own place. I'm leaving you, I was in the house. I don't actually bought a townhouse. Literally about to put a deposit down. Double down. No, I don't know. I genuinely don't know what to say.

I don't know what is to say. I'm just trying to think on my feet here. I'm like, or just or no it's another lie actually it couldn't be a lie because I feel like at one point

every adult wants this okay start you're going to save up for a deposit on a house and you need to be more careful with money I need to be money savvy actually I'm trying to be more savvy because I'm actually I'm trying to put money

I'm trying to save up now now that I'm in a high paying job trying to save for a deposit on a flat they'd get that Yeah. They're going, oh, yeah, no questions asked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just trying to, like, just trying to cut back.

I think that's a really good option. I think that's saving your ass from looking up a mug. We got there. And I think you can say it, how she in front of your friends, and they say, oh, but such and such, you're like, hey, girls, that I need to be thankful with money

because I want to start saving. Yeah. So I need to cut back on my dinners out. The holidays and the dinners out. Yes. Doesn't stop you. guys from doing it. I really want you guys to do it, but I just want to be like

conscious that I want to start saving. Yeah. I think that's great advice. Nailed it. I feel that. Well done. We got her in the end. Fix. Okay, I've got one. I've got... Yeah, ping on me. Okay, so my pick this week and it's obviously to do with the thing. Yeah.

Is if someone's made a decision about something, and I haven't said Nish. Yeah. Because either one, it's none of my business. Yeah. I'm only going to put my opinion forward if someone asks my advice. Yeah. So if you came to me and you said, do I go for an electric bike man or Shangri-La man?

Yeah. Then I'm going to go for it. Yeah. If you're like, I'm in love with electric man guy, then I'm not going to be like, electric bike. Yeah. Electric bike. I'm not going to be put in my all reign. If you're like, Kitty, I'm in love with him.

I'm like, good on you, you get all. I'm sorry, but yes. Do you get on me? Yeah, I do. Where my issue stands is where someone. one's made their place. Yeah. And then they're like, but no,

it's the right decision because like, all my family really love him and he's not boring. Like, he's not. I know people think he's boring but he's not. He's right. Who are you convincing? Yeah, it's. It gives like, okay, insecure. And it gives,

I'm not in love with him, but I'm going to convince him everyone else I am. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah. Honey, I need to show him at the end of the day. Yeah. You're the one that needs to tickle a pickle. Yeah. Not me. Not May? Not May.

Honestly, I couldn't care less. Go for it. You do you? Yeah. Pink ball. Yeah. Mine is unrelated. Yeah.

However, people saying stuff when they're drunk and go like, oh my God, like, I don't remember a thing from last night. I don't, like, blacked out. I think the old you get them more if years. Because I'm like, it's not an excuse anymore. It's not an excuse anymore. I literally am like, that's shrapened. No, no, be responsible for yourself as a drunk person. I actually, I had a conversation with someone the other week

where they were, granted, they were really drunk. However, we had over an hour's long conversation where I sober was staying up to assure them and be like, you're fine, you're okay, you're really giving my best work. and they wake up the next morning and they're like, God, I don't remember a thing from last night. I said, do you not remember our conversation

when we spoke for over an hour? And they were like, no. Oh, that in a way to me. I'm like, why? That's why sometimes I can see and drunk people's eyes I'm not, I'm not engaging in this conversation. Yeah, you're not going to remember this. You don't remember.

I think, oh, I tell you what's not an egg, but what I love is when people get to swap it and tell me things. And they're like, did I say? I'm like, you have no idea what you told me by. I'm so happy. Hellenarians. Yeah, I love it. Questions?

Questions? I'm feeling. And I'm serious. Deadly. Okay. Tell me. So, my serious question is, do you think, obviously, within reason?

Absolutely. There is such a thing as making a bad decision. Of course. Like, or do you think, like, everything happens for a reason? Oh. Like, in terms of, I would say, in terms of relationships, obviously within reason, you know, obviously killing someone's a bad thing.

Right. but like if you're like God I wonder if I ever made the right decision that do you think there's a such thing as making the right decision yeah I do know yeah when it comes to relationships I think there's a person for everyone yeah I really do and I think

I think a lot of people settle yeah and I do think that's a bad thing I know I think it's just circumstance yeah whether it's like age you know if they're in their like late 30s yeah yeah I think they're like I don't want to find someone. I don't know what I mean?

Yeah, I hear you. But I think, I think most people find their person. Yeah. I think they do. They do. And I think people are like, no, I really, really like you. I think there are wrong decisions when it comes to relationships when it's... But all they want to look at mine, I think I learned from them, though.

So I'm like... Yeah. But I haven't been with, like, a drug dealer or something like me. So maybe that wouldn't be the best. you know, a decision if someone was like that. Yeah. I do think, I do feel like things happen for a reason. Yeah.

But there is a, there is a right and wrong. There is. Yeah, there is. I hear you. My silly question for you is, if you had to put money on these two decisions, what would you put money on? Right. That you, Katie Leach, could cycle from London

to York, to your parents' house with no issues whatsoever. You haven't got map. You're on your own. No map? No map. Okay. No map.

Would you put all... Oh, and when I say money, you're putting all your life savings as well as your parents' savings. Okay, sure. On you cycling from London to York. Do I have a time limit in which... No, no, no, no.

But you have to get there. Right. Okay. Yeah, okay. Or eating purely vegetables for six. for six months, nothing else, just veggies. It's not like, oh, I'm going to mix them together. No, you're eating your bowl of cauliflower.

You're eating your bowl of peas. You're eating your bottle of asparagus. No, you're not having a sweet tree. This is all you're... You can't add yogurt. You can't add a bit of juice. No, you've got water. I'll give you water and veggies.

Now, I've made... I've asked Katie this one. I know a lot of people would be like, what's the issue for her psyche? but Keith can't write it by. I can't ride it on. So I'm saying if you have to put what decision, what's the right decision in this?

Okay? Are you going to pick putting your life savings and your parents' savings on cycling to York or eating puillet veggies for six months? Now, I'm saying

no Christmas dinners. Oh. I think you can't have any... It's hard because I think... Sweet tree. I think I do have quite a good internal GPS. I think you do, you know. I think I do.

I think... I do. I think I do. And I think that's from my mother's side. Well done. Because she's got a good internal GPS and my ground's father's bed. Yeah, yeah.

However, I've got an awful lot. That would take weeks. Yeah. It would take weeks. And also, you can't ride the bike on the... The only thing that would entice me is that you can't ride the bike on the motorway,

so it would just be riding along, like, paths. Yeah. Actually, surely, I could just ride up the coast. Could take. You can get that. However you are, you just can't have a map. Or a phone. It's obviously you could put a sat and have on your phone.

You know what? I can't give up a speech, aren't you? I can't give up that evening, Ben and Jerry's, unfortunately. I genuinely think I would chance riding the bike and maybe that would get me over my fear. Okay. Great. I think I would... There's no time limit and I could ride...

I could find my way to the coast. Yeah. And they'd just ride up. Yep. And I know the way from the coast. I have more faith in you. Although you can't ride a bike. There is, here's the thing.

I can. Are you just scared to? I just, I'm not very confident. I can ride a bike. right okay that's where i've got wrong i've always said i can't i do because it's easier because if people are like like oh let's all get on the bike and i know i yeah i will not do it you will not okay okay okay okay okay okay okay you choose deadly to not get on yeah okay also i kind of need you to be in a good attitude and if your six months are boring with your veggies i would have i would be all right

and if you've literally skinny miserable miserable but you're in jail but you literally be lying bed doing nothing because you have no energy. I'd be like, okay, go on. I would be fucking miserable. Also, like, I'd literally be, like, my thoughts would be lethal. They would be. Only vegetables. They would be awful.

Insane. Insane. No, I can't do that. Okay, guys, we've got up to the end of the pot. End of the pod. I hope you have a great rest of your week. Have the best. Absolutely.

And stay safe for up there because it's getting dark. Wrap up. Wrap up, warmth. Scarf, mitts. Well, get on that. it all exactly. Exactly. Right, I love you guys.

Love you. Bye.