The Debrief - Don't Call Me A Winegum

Episode Date: July 10, 2023

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🎵 Hello! Good morning everyone. Happy Monday. Happy Monday. How are you feeling? I'm feeling funky, fresh, fabulous. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Oh, the full thieves. How are you feeling? F'm feeling funky, fresh, fabulous. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, the full feeds. How are you feeling? Funky, fresh, fabulous. Funky, fresh, fabulous. I'm feeling fabulous as well. It's the weather. It's the weather.

It's the weather dependent. Hate to put it out there, but it is. It is, it absolutely is. Although I'm sweating. Oh, I know. We should do a riff off on the pod. I don't think we should do it right now because I think it will stress me

It shits me, I get scared. I'm literally like, I've got better now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is the pressure to perform. I used to do that all the time actually when I was younger with my older sister. We used to go out in our garden and literally do riff offs like together on the trampoline. Why in the garden? Oh the trampoline. On the trampoline. Oh everything happened on the trampoline

So much, crack the egg? Crack, loved crack the egg I love being the egg Crack the egg was the best I remember actually I had a childhood friend who had a brother and she had a trampoline as well and I fancied this brother so much and we were out on the trampoline I must have been literally like, I don't even have boobs. There's little nipples sticking out. But I was like, wow.

You know, once he got a bouncing and I got a bouncing, there was a fight. The chemistry, the electricity. The electricity. Have you ever done it when you're on the trampoline and it's so static, you like touch something,

it's like, electricity. Electricity. I know. I fucking love it. I love it. I've always wanted one of those trampolines that are like

built into the ground that like the Kardashians have yes yeah that's cool that is so cool catch me doing a seat drop on those bad boys absolutely

I can do a flip can you do a flip Gacy? you know I can't I once tried you know I can't I once tried to do a flip on a trampoline and I

need myself in the mouth. Okay, Katie, give it to me. My... Oh, she's written it down. I've written it down. She's given her little notebook out. It's a journal. It says sparkle every day.

Sparkle every day. Sparkle every day. My mantra this week. Tell me. Is what is meant for me will not pass me by. Oh, I love that. Never will. No, I love that.

Tell me why you needed that this week. I feel like there's a lot of comparison going on with what we see on social media. What we see in everything. And I just feel like I've been seeing a lot of things. There are lots of, like someone I know recently got into a relationship and I was like, why not me? I was like, why not me?

I am Shrek. I am undateable. I can't believe it. And I feel like it's so easy. Like you see, and I think it's so easy to compare yourself. You can get caught up. And I think it's when you want things to happen so quickly and they're not happening as quickly as you'd like them. And then I'm like, you know what?

But if it's not, like if it's not meant for me, it's not meant for me. If the door doesn't open, it's not my door. Yeah. So what is meant for me will not pass me by. Yeah. And I think it's also a way in order to appreciate things deeper. I've got this journal at the moment. It's called a three-minute positivity journal.

And in the morning and in the evening, it has things that you'll write, things that you're grateful for. general and in the morning and in the evening it has things that you're right things that you're grateful for and i think it's so important to take that time to actually feel grateful for things because in your everyday life you do complain oh god this has happened oh why not me whereas if you wake up you know it's simple it really is simple yeah but just saying i'm grateful for my friends i'm grateful for waking up and feeling in a good mood. Yeah, yeah. You know? So that is good, actually,

and it'll put you in the right direction to see what's coming for you. Yeah, because I feel like it's very easy to fall down the rabbit hole, but it's something I try so hard to not do. Yeah, yeah. But the rabbit hole got the better of me. I think it's one of those things that I feel so, so ready

for a relationship it's always that when you look you don't find yeah nanny mcfee it's the nanny mcfee when you want me but do not need me i will fucking go yeah if you need me but do not want me i will stay fucking nanny fucking nanny she's a shit star yeah she knows what she's doing honestly so i feel like it's one of those things that i just need to kind of like release the focus on when and why and why not because i think it's just one of those things that if it's meant for me it will happen how do you think about your standards do you think your standards are quite high do you think they're uneasy to match or do you think no they i think it's one you reach i think i think they can i think they

can be reached but i also think i sabotage myself in the sense that if i see someone that i'd be like 100 for i probably wouldn't like do anything about it yeah i think i'm at the point now i think i've said this before where i'm so comfortable with myself that although i would like these things the thought of actually going out there and like doing it is a bit scary guys i tried to re-download hinge um i did try however the app crashed and i'm kind of taking that as a universal sign yes what's your mantra girl i wrote down a few because i had a few coming at me this week, but I'm not going to tell you them all.

You'll have to wait. Oh, okay. I'll tell you them later. I am willing to take risks in order to achieve. Love that. Yes. It's so scary. It's similar to yours.

It can be really scary to put yourself out there and to not know where it's going to go. When you feel safe is when you completely feel in control and know what's gonna happen and I think with job wise but also dating wise to be like oh god you know for example one of my friends is seeing this guy but she doesn't know whether to continue seeing him right because he she's not sure he's perfect. But then she thinks, is that me not taking risks? Is that me nitpicking? But then she's also thinking, well, I shouldn't have him in my life

just for the sake of having someone in my life if he's not right. You know? And in that point, I think just try not to be scared. Take a risk. Whether that risk is, fuck it, yeah, I am going to go on a date with you. Yeah, I will come. Or whether it's just, you know, am gonna go to that job interview that i feel that maybe i won't get you know but don't put that in your mind don't think i won't get it be like you know what if i'm

going up for it i'm willing yeah yeah i've got the capability to smash it absolutely Absolutely. So yeah, that's my, so, but yeah. So I'm willing to take risks. I really like that. Yeah. And I think we need to do that more in our lives in every form,

you know, whatever it is. Yeah. Health wise, career wise, dating wise. High risk, high reward.

Absolutely. Right, Katie, come on Buckle yourself in Because it's time To debrief Welcome to the debrief guys Oh my god

Paris Oh my god Paris Actually even before I get into it It was so funny. So we literally went to Paris for about five minutes. This girl was like to her dad, she's American, she's like, dad, dad, take a video of me, take a TikTok.

And he's like, okay, and she goes, are you happy to be in Paris? We! And I'm like, oh my god. Good woman, good fucking woman. Oh, should I have listened to ourselves? It was so good. The city of love.

The city of love. The city of love. It's the city of love. I tell you what, wasn't it just, people say, oh, go to Paris. You know,

you've got to go to Paris. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll make my opinion for myself. Because I'm an independent woman. No one's telling you what to do. No one's telling me

what to do. I don't need your opinion in my little day. They're like, you should go to Paris and you're like, no. Fucking hell. And let me what to do. No one's telling me what to do. I don't need your opinion in my little way. They're like, you should go to Paris. And you're like, no. Fucking hell. And let me come to my own decision. I'll go on my own terms.

OK, the first thing I should tell you, that it is the city of love. We arrived. And we dropped our bags, went straight to dinner. And we literally were walking in all giggly, you know, looking at each other. And we turned around. And the Eiffel Tower was just right there outside the window, right on the balcony of the restaurant. We were both like, you know, we got really excited. Anyway, this guy comes over and he's like, bonjour. I'm like, bonjour. Bonsoir. Yeah, bonjour. And we sit down and pretty quickly he realises we're English. Oh, hello, hello. And he's like, bonjour, je suis, je suis, je suis, je suis.

And he's like, oh, okay, yeah, right. You've dropped a forked over. And they actually changed so quickly. I feel like everyone in France can speak English as well. Yeah. I was like,

oh my gosh. Did you ever go on an exchange? Not sure. I went on Spanish exchange. Of course you did. Yeah, best time ever. Hola. Hola.

Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola.

Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola.

Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. Hola. ¿Cómo te llamas? Hola, hola. ¿Me llamas Kitty? Mm. ¿Qué tal? Muy bien. Their English was far better than our fucking Spanish.

I can tell you that for free. I swear. But they teach you from, like, primary school. So I feel like if we learnt French or Spanish from primary school, we'd actually be a bit better. But they taught English, like, hammered it hard. But, Katie, you couldn't understand. It wasn't just, like, they sounded like they were putting it on because they were then, you know, Bonjour. Bonjour. And then I was like hammered it hard. But Katie, you've got to understand, it wasn't just like, they sounded like they were putting it on because they were then, you know, bonjour.

And then I was like, oh, hi. And then they were like, hi, are you all right? If you just want to follow me through here. And I was like, what the fuck? I was like, because we thought actually we might, we might be able to pass as the French, you know? Don't do that, mate. Oh, I've got a great one for you

listen and what? so my dad had said to me before he was like Kitty say to Archie and he'll be really impressed. And then I absolutely fucked it up. And I was like, Arch, Arch, Arch. And we were like... She's like, Arch, Arch, Arch. Je veux des remédies.

And he was like... And he was like, what? I was like, je veux des remédies. And he was like, what? I was like, je vous dis. And he was like, that is not French. And I was like, fuck. I was like, what is it? He's like, it's record day, Kitty, it's record. I was like, regardez et écoutez.

I was like, there you are. I was like, there. Oh, fucking hell, you're bilingual. I know, I am. You've come back from Paris. Have you been to Paris before? I have. When have you been to Paris?

I went a good few years ago now. My mum ran the Paris Marathon. Oh my gosh. And I remember I went to go see her. Oh, that's lovely. What was the Paris Marathon like, though? Because now you've seen the Barcelona Marathon. I feel like the vibes are still the same.

To be fair, we kind of like saw her at various points. I remember my little sister, there's quite a big age difference. So she was quite young at the time. And all I remember was her being like desperate for a wee, you know, when kids are like, oh, like kid, they're like, they're like vein in their forehead. Do it again, do it again.

They're like, she was, she was really fucking struggling. So she pissed outside the Eiffel Tower. Oh, bless her. Cause there weren't any toilets. Who would have thought actually, outside the Eiffel Tower. Oh, bless her. Because there weren't any toilets. Who would have thought, actually? Outside the Eiffel Tower, there are no public toilets. Yeah, you would think they were.

You'd think surely they'd have them, but no, she had to piss in the bush. Right, I've got a good one for you. Guess how tall the Eiffel Tower is in metres. Guess. 100. Mug. No, actually, no. That was a shit guess.

I've got no space in the way. 100. 100. Guess. 100. No. No actually no that was a shit guess. I've got no space in the way. 100. Get 100. No. No that's a shit guess because if you think about a 100 metre track that's quite small actually. Yeah. Alright. 5,000. I've gone too high. 5,000 metres?

I've gone too low, too high. No, 100 was closer. Are you serious? Yeah. No, no, no. 100 was closer. Are you serious? Yeah. 300. Close. 400. Nah, mug.

350. Now less. 320. Less. 310. It's not in the threes. 220. Yes!

Yeah! But honestly, the thing about the Eiffel Tower though is you stand up so close and it's literally huge. You're like, oh. It is quite big, isn't it? Yeah, it is actually quite impressive. Like seeing the little lifts going up. Did you go up? No, we didn't actually.

Did you? No, we didn't. No. I think it's a bit of a nick. What going up the Eiffel Tower? We've all seen it. Yeah. You go to Paris to see the Eiffel Tower, not stand in it and see outside of Paris.

Yeah, I see what you mean. That's a bit stupid. It's the same with, also, it's all quite caged off like i remember i feel the very similar way about the empire state building in new york i'd love to go up that have you i have oh what was that like really again it's more than 280 meters tell you that is it 5 000 is it 10 000 maybe 100 meters maybe 50 could be 10 i i really i all i remember from that was, again, my little sister was in a pram. All I remember was queuing for about two hours. Then you have to get a lift.

So you queue all the way up. Yeah. And then you have to get a secondary lift to get you to the very top. Yeah. That takes you up like an extra 15 floors. Yeah. That lift was fucking broken. So like, hey hey guys so sorry so we climbed 15 flights

of stairs while my mum had like my little sister on her like back and then my dad was carrying the fucking pram oh that poor man we get to the top the it's all completely like similar to the eiffel tower it's all caged yeah like so you can't really see I would recommend not like I'm a local yeah but if you're visiting New York City go to the Rockefeller Center go to Top of the Rock because it's all glass I'd love to go to New York I feel like I feel like I'd we could do I feel like he's kind of third wheeling. Yeah, big time. Between you and I.

I feel like you have this in relationships as well as friendships, where there are some points where one of you is in control. Yeah. There are situations where you're more in control and I'm just sitting along pretty. We experienced this in Paris, where Archie was in control and there was a situation where I was just sitting along pretty. We experienced this in Paris where Archie was in control and there was a situation where I was in control. Now, we were going through the El Metro and there were these funky little tickets and we were going through the little barriers and all of that. Anyway, we put our tickets through and mine doesn't work but

Archie goes straight through. I panic. I panic. I feel like I'm lost in a city. I'm like, what is it? Alone. And afraid. Archie's about five metres now, Katie. I know you won't understand what I'm saying. So he was miles away. He was miles. Yeah, miles away. But I could still see him, if that gives you reference.

I see, I see. And I panic. I'm like, what? And I'm actually like, well, what do I do? And Archie's looking at me. He's like, go over to the ticket man. And I'm like, no. No, I can't do that. And he's like, oh, Kitty.

And he pulls me to a side, so I have to walk around to the next bit to see him. He says, darling, just go over there. And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've listened to the plan. He says, no, just go over to the man. Ask for another ticket. And he can go, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah so i've listened to the plan just go over to the man ask for another ticket and you can go yeah yeah okay yeah i walk away and look at the ticket man i'm like what is wrong with me i look at the ticket man and look at archie i'm like no no no no he's like ticket man and i just like whip around hey

look at the tip about the knees don't we want to look at two years and i'm like whip around hey hey look at the ticket back in the e-centre and I'm like hey hey yes please yes and I was actually like stressing and I was like oh and oh she's like put the ticket through the machine push the barrier and come through I was like I can't do it at moments like that I thought finally got through the barrier and I was like wow I was like it was a city of love I was like I'm through and then it was like wow, it was a city of love. I was like I'm through. And then he was like why are you stressing? Why are you stressing? I was like moment like that, notch on Archie's post, he was in control. Now I'll tell you what I was in control of. We were sat at dinner and they come and they say you know so and we were at this really bougie dinner, like really really nice bougie dinner.

They're explaining all of it yeah yeah I'm fine and then they're like so for this course for this course they'll be shellfish and I'm like and she like head whips around me mouth agape looking at me

and he's like I don't like shellfish and I'm like you'll be fine shellfish and he's like what is shellfish i'm like i'm like you'll be fine like honestly it's fine it's like is it fishy i'm like oh for god's sake he's looking at me he's like shellfish he's like what shellfish like the man's like you'll be having shellfish and he's like looked around to me and he's like he's like panicking he's fully panicking I'm like oh for goodness chicken nuggets

oh you know what I'm about to say let's tell the story oh my god that was the worst night we went to we were just at the end of our time in halls and we wanted like a big dinner to like

celebrate our time with all of our like friends in halls and Archie's flat was directly across from us it was a big group of us we all went to Simmons in um Soho in Soho and we agreed that we were going to go to this sushi place that you had been to like why actually you're watching your watcher yeah yeah decide to book it and i remember you prefacing like guys it's a bit of a bougie meal but we all wanted kind of like a nice lovely dinner to celebrate we were like yeah let's do it we're in we go to simmons we all end up i don't know about you everyone was got slaughtered yeah archie was probably the drunkest out of us all oh my god we go to this we go to this dinner and whilst you did say it was lovely i didn't think i think we

all underestimated how nice of an establishment this was so we get there yeah like the dim lighting archie i don't think he likes fish which didn't help because this was a sushi restaurant. Yeah. So he's really drunk. He's asking the waiter. Oh, my God. They give us the menu and we're all looking. He puts the menu down and he's like, oh, no, I won't read it.

Excuse me. Excuse me. And what does he ask the waiter? Do you do chicken nuggets? Do you do chicken? I don't like fish. Chicken and noodles. I don't like fish. Do you do chicken? Oh, my God.. Chicken and noodles. I don't like fish. Do you do chicken?

Oh my god. It was so embarrassing. I was humiliated. I remember as well, it was even more humiliating. Chicken and noodles. Do you do chicken? Do you do chicken? Asking the waitress. I was like, how old are you?

What's your favourite song? Oh. And who was it? There was someone famous there. Nick Frost came in. Yeah. And then fucking hell, we were all like, there and Archie Nick Frost came in yeah and then fucking out we were all like oh that's Nick Frost

who where yeah who yeah and then he was like take a photo of me and he was like

pointing to him he was so scoffed he was like he was like falling back on the chair like oh he was so drunk

that we all got kicked out of the Uber that we the Uber that we got back to our halls. Yeah. And we got kicked out. Oh, my God. Was this the time where he...

He, like, had his half his body out of the taxi screaming at people on Regent Street. I know you! I know you! And I was like, oh, my God. He kept whining through the window down going jaron jaron screaming i walked in front of the taxi driver too he pulled he literally pulled over he's like everyone get out and the worst thing is he started doing this and i'm like watching it all happen and i was like we're gonna get kicked out we are gonna get kicked out and then he was like everyone's

like everyone out and this was really early on point arch Arch and I were dating. I felt so bad for you. So do you remember he was like, I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you. And you're like, yeah, you fucking have. I was like, yes, you're so embarrassing. It was so embarrassing. It was humiliating. But every time I tried to bring it up, he's like, don't do that. Stop that.

I remember one time I tried to talk to one of our friends about it. I was like, oh, have I ever told you about this story? He's like, Katie, don't. Don't. It is a great one, though. So Arch, when Arch gets drunk, he gets drunk quick. Like, there's not kind of an in-between period. No, no.

He's like, had a few drinks, and then he's, and then he's slaughtered. And I'm like, oh, my God, what is going on? No, you're bang on. Yeah. So talking about drunk, what type of drunk do you think god what is going on no you're bang on yeah so talking about drunk what type of drunk do you think you are do you think you're

a happy drunk do you think you're a sad drunk I think I am I think I am a happy drunk I will say or a beefy drunk

I love sometimes like I've mentioned this before Katie's just so chilled like so she is my little Katie's just so chilled like so she is my little Miss sunshine she's always hanging and then she'll get drunk and she'll kick off and she'll be like no do you know what I've had enough of this and I'm like wow I feel like it's one of those things

my face goes red little vein in my head's popping I think it's one of those things that I think I wouldn't say I'm... No, I would. I think the problem is that we went to the pub last week and I think I was drunker than I thought because I was irate. With a capital I. Yeah. I had a bee firmly in my bonnet

and she was there to stay. In terms of if I'm drunk enough and something pisses me off, I'll be like, nah, that's not on. Yeah. That's simply not on. Yeah. However, I would say that I'm mostly just happy-go-lucky, like lovely-lovely when I'm drunk. Except I get too drunk. Yeah, yeah, I get you. I would say you're a very happy- I think you get quite sleepy though. Sleepy? Sleepy?

I think you get quite sleepy. Fuck! Get quite sleepy. Everyone's like this, and I'm just like, I'll throw a nap. See ya. Sleepy. Well, sometimes we'll be sat there, and you're like. You close your eyes, and I have to have a few deep breaths,

and I'm like, oh, she's slaughtered. You're like. Yeah. I feel that I'm very loud when I'm drunk. I'm actually quite a quiet person. No, you're quiet. I think that's the thing. You're like, yeah. I feel that I'm very loud when I'm drunk. I'm actually quite a quiet person. No, you're quiet. I think that's the thing.

You're very reserved, Katie. Both of us are really shy. Do you get horny when you're drunk? So I do. Oh my God. It's such a thing. Yeah.

And do you know what? My boys are like, oh, I can't, you know, when I drink too much, I can't. Nah.

Saw that out. Nah, nah, nah. Saw that out. I don't know what you have to wind up down there start getting yourself winding because you're not using our golf that's the it

sometimes I do laugh like a really drunk shag maybe it's controversial but I do, do you? like I'm sometimes like come on then like it's quite fun sloppy yeah I need to have you now like letting loose

yeah absolutely okay i love it no quickly let's talk about the titanic let's talk about the fucking titanic oh my god oh my god so the more i read about it the more fucked it is there is a man that um hosts tours to the bottom of the sea floor to go and see the ruins of the titanic have you seen the actual picture of the submarine yes it's fucking teeny it's teeny it is teeny teeny fucking submarine the controls of it are hooked up it's an xbox controller that's how they drive it what how fucking tapped is that really bad oh the world is a scary place very scary they have to sign a waiver being like we know this isn't the safest thing in the world being like we will accept the fact that we could possibly die on this obviously it must be so expensive to do so they charge 250 000 pounds

for a ticket to go per person per person there were five people have gone down on this trip they do it a lot they do it often it is like people have done it and there was apparently a guy that used to work on it that was gonna do like a big whistleblowing thing on it being like this is fucked stop doing this and he got sacked so he they go down to the sea floor they are stuck in the fucking ruins of the titanic no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I fucking hate the sea. The ocean terrifies me. The deep sea, like the dark sea, where the Titanic is?

Absolutely not. They think they've got caught on something on the seafloor. Shit, shit, shit. They've managed to track the signal of the submarine and they can hear banging,

like SOS Morse code fucking banging. Oh, that just gave me goosebumps. But they think there's five people on there they're trying to do like a search and rescue mission that's costing them a lot of money. They don't know whether they're going to get them out. They don't think

because they thought initially How long have they been down there though? Because the oxygen's not going to last much. Three days. So either, genuinely... Oh, that's my worst nightmare. Because a lot of people are saying that they'd rather the submarine have exploded,

which I do kind of agree with in the sense that they don't think they're going to make it out alive. A lot of people are like, the oxygen's going to run out, they will just suffocate. That's an awful, an awful way to die. Or,

those poor people. So they were like, if the submarine, I would personally rather the submarine fucking implode and you die on the spot, than have to sit in a submarine for four days and watch everyone around you suffocate to death.

Oh my God, it's mad. At the bottom of the fucking sea floor no no no no no but it doesn't it isn't it some weird like black mirror shit yeah right as like a like what the fuck something's gonna be made out of this like a tv show because it's one of those things where the titanic crashed and only the rich and the wealthy could get onto the titanic isn't it that fucking sinks yeah only the rich and the wealthy could get onto the Titanic isn't it that fucking sinks yeah only the rich and the wealthy can get on this submarine and have access to it what a triumphant moment to feel poor I mean

that you'd be like wow this is the ultimate fuck the rich I mean who on earth would spend their money on that 250 000 to go in a fucking submarine also a submarine submarines things like going to the moon rocket ships you'll never see me there do you know how old they are um there is one guy that's like 1920 because he went with his dad oh my god they went together so who's the other person him and his dad oh my god it's him and his dad so who's the other person then him and his dad there's someone it's all men it's all men i saw i saw a tiktok actually that says do you know who's not dying on the fucking sea floor women oh god like it's awful it is just so it's so fucked it is it is fucking ironic though it is That they go to see something that is a poster for wealth.

Yeah. And privilege. And then you're spending all that money to go see it and now you're equally as trapped. And that's the death of you. That's scary. That is the death of you. Do you know how far it is to the wreckage of the Titanic?

How far? 2.4 miles down two does that make sense and i'm like i'm like 100 meters so it's what 2.2 miles 2.4 miles directly down the sea goes 2.4 miles down what's that's it imagine no but imagine a wall surely goes deep than that how long does our loop take that's about a three mile walk no it's longer than that is it yeah it's six miles yeah but two miles is to the bridge imagine 2.5 is to the bridge directly down nah nah nah nah nah nah. Nah, nah. And it's dark.

And all you're going to do is see a fucking rusty ship. I'm sorry. Ick. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. Katie, how many have you got? I've got one.

Oh my gosh, I've got two, so I'll start. You start. Okay. So is yours. My first one, I've got two, so I'll start. You start. Okay. So is yours. My first one is I experienced it in Paris. So you go to a nice restaurant. Yeah. And usually when you go to like a fancy restaurant,

they come over with the food and blah, blah, blah. But honestly, I can't, I cannot, I cannot keep straight faces when they introduce the food. When they're like, they literally come over and they're like hello bonjour and you're like hi hi and they're like this is a piece of asparagus with some garlic and a lemon slice to squeeze over the asparagus and i'm literally like i'm literally looking around like i i honestly lost it at a point i lost it because they come over and introduce the dish like it's like next up next next up's the chicken yeah and it's like I can't I can't she gets the full bells and whistles

yeah they like come over and they stop pouring it you know they're pouring like the little sauce I can't Kate it's when I remember one time I went out for dinner um and it was I ordered this soup with like it was like a soup with mozzarella and and i remember me and my mum ordered the same one and they present two plates with like four blobs of mozzarella in there and we were looking at each other like what the fuck we were like where is the soup and then they're like yeah pouring it they start whipping the soup together i know this is what stresses me out and something that's happened before is something I find with wine in fancy joints.

I'm like, surely you can look at me and see that I'm not a regular customer. Yeah. I'm not your target audience, am I? So why the fuck have you got Mr. Sommelier describing the fruity yet woody undertones when I'm just going to pick the cheapest one? It's the same with the one time I genuinely have never felt more foolish in my life was when we went out to a wine barn and they asked me.

I never, I never want to try the wine. I never want to be the one that's like, thank you, that's lovely, pour more. Because what the fuck? Like, that is just not me like that is not me and then all of a sudden the wine comes oh katie why don't you try it i'm like i'm overthinking it then what do i do i'm like she doesn't take a little sip she fucking downs it i didn't know she thinks it's a shot yeah bottoms up pour away away kind of stuff. And it was the worst bottle of wine. Do you remember, we were all there like, Katie, that was revolting.

I drink fucking barefoot from Sainsbury's. I don't know what a good wine is. I know, darling. Anyway, let me think for you. Ready? Oh, nice. Really good. Tell me.

My ick was something I did. Oh, no. Go on, Katie. Here good. Tell me. My ick was something I did. Oh, no. Go on. Yeah, here we go. Yeah. I needed to buy sponges and washing up liquid on Sunday. You were like the waiter there. You were waiting for me to say I needed to buy sponges.

Wow. And washing up. Brilliant. On Sunday. Fuck. Sorry. Yeah. I know you were having a good time with Paris and all. Yeah. But fucking hell. You were living the high life. I was feeling a bit worse for wear on Sunday. I was feeling. I know that. Yeah. I wasn't feeling. I know Katie had another fucking boys night. Katie was with the boys again. I was like, oh my God, it's oh my god it's like I'm very tired nowhere is open

because it's like half six on a Sunday so I go to like the 24 hour like convenience store yeah go in find it

and then really dramatically you know like in rom-coms they're like where to and you're like home

yeah love it it was very that where I kind of sighed and I was like just these please Yeah, love it. It was very that, where I kind of sighed, and I was like, just these, please. You did a kitty. I was like, oh, just these, please. I hand the man my phone.

What? I didn't, I had the sponges and the washing up liquid in my hand, and I had the phone in the other, and I literally passed it up, just these, please. And he was like, what are you doing? Did he say that? He was like, like what and I was like oh hey hey testing you my friend hey just checking you're still with it on a Sunday yeah all right yeah all right I want you to scream I was like how embarrassing oh just like oh just this please and then he was like and I was like and then he was like can I have the sponge and I was like... And then he was like, can I have the sponge?

And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he's scanning it through. He goes, would have been very expensive if I was charging you for the phone. And I was like... You're doing my way off now. And I was like... I think that would have been a good sign. Yeah, Kitty does this thing where she'll be sat around.

And I won't say it's an attention thing, because I'm not entirely sure what it is. But we'll be sat there in silence. Similarly, how I have to feel the silence, you're a little snake, because you do as well. You'll just sit there and go... Sometimes you'll do a... And sometimes you'll and sometimes you do like moaning myrtle round the flat love it right ping pong okay my oh god my last ticket gets me passionate

really passionate I'm three two one loud fuckingers. You need to be put in a dungeon and you need to be put away. I'm sorry. I'll say it right here, right now. Loud eaters, you're fucking revolting. Now, guys, I have a condition called misophonia. No, I do. I've got a condition called misophonia. And misophonia is irrational reactions to visceral noises.

Now, it could be mouth smacking, eating, or it could be like sucking of the teeth. It's disgusting. What are you doing with your life? What are you doing? No, no, no, no. I was on the train back from Paris. There was this guy eating a sandwich. Katie.

So he's sat opposite me. I'm gonna have to, no, I'm gonna have to cover my ears a second. So give me a sec. He's like this. Now I look at him like I give him the death stare. Now I'll show you the death stare. So don't you dare do the noise. No, I'm not gonna do the noise. Do like a whistle, I'll show you the death stare. So don't you dare do the noise.

Do like a whistle because I'll know you're doing it. But that told him. I give him a look. Then he stops. He stops. He swallows. I'm like, oh, great. He does it again.

Oh, my God. I look at him again with a face of disgust. He does it again. Head whips around. He spins like it. Oh, like that. He does it again. Head whips around through his spin and I go, oh, like that. And I stand up and I'm like,

no, no, no, no. I walk over to where Archie is because Archie didn't get a seat and I say, that man over there is eating so loudly. And Archie's like, it doesn't matter, Kitty.

I'm like, I have misophonia. It matters. Hey, hey. I've got struggles, all right? I've have misophonia, it matters. Hey, hey, I've got struggles, all right? I've got misophonia. No, everything's visible, all right? I thought you genuinely, I've never met anyone with misophonia in my life.

Oh, my God. And I remember, no, I didn't even know it was a thing until you mentioned it. Oh, my God, the worst. I can never go on a date with someone eating spaghetti. You know when people go... I'm like, what are you doing to me?! I'm like... Do you want me to cry?! I feel like one of those frogs in science class,

you know, when you pin them down. That's what I feel like when someone's eating loudly. I'm like, you're revolting humans. Questions. Questions. Questions. So I've got a serious question this week, for Paige. I've actually got a really interesting one. So, modern day 2023, So I've got serious questions this week, for Peach. I've actually got a really interesting one.

So modern day, 2023, what do you think is the biggest or most occurring stereotype for a woman? And when does it occur? And do you think it is relevant? Have you felt stereotyped recently? From your gender? I think sometimes, I think sometimes i get the assumption that i'm not all there however i feel like as you did say yeah but i feel like that isn't necessarily because i'm

a woman i think it's just because i just say a few questionable things okay but i don't know i feel like i've never felt have you ever felt stereotypes i would say yeah where i used to work there was one male manager that always used to be so patronizing and was very sexist i think oh you wouldn't get it but you just wouldn't get it okay right that kind of stuff really annoys me but i wouldn't say i would say the women are stupid stereotype is very much a thing or the women are easy stereotype is very much a thing and if you're not easy then you're frigid i agree i think that's very much a stereotype that is still occurring now yeah yeah i would agree and have you felt on the end of that i feel like sometimes men ogle at women yeah a bit yeah and i'm like hello yes like um yeah like

i think that's sometimes a bit they just enjoy the flirt and you feel a bit used yes yes but in that way it's it's interesting because it's progressed from what it used to be yeah if it is just a flat or if if it is just a look you know because before it could have been an ass scrap yeah or a grope yeah um yeah so in that way you have to respect that it has come far but it also still is uncomfortable yeah Yeah. I think with the whole stereotype thing, I personally don't think I felt stereotyped for my gender in the sense of the role as a woman. I've never felt that you should be doing this, you should be doing that.

I've never felt that ever. And maybe that's a credit to the people I surround myself with but I'm not naive enough to say that maybe other people haven't experienced that. However, I have felt stereotyped as a gender, as a woman, with body image and with sexualisation. Of course I felt sexualized of course I felt and it's hard being someone who does have big boobs that that's a part of who I am but that doesn't mean I can I haven't got them on show to to entice you yes how can I hide that? That's a part. It's like someone, they're not on show to turn you on.

No, absolutely. They're a part of me that I can't cover up. And not that you want to. And that's hard when it's you wearing that for this reaction. No, I'm not actually. Yeah. You know, there's been a lot of reoccurring, well, she was wearing this, what she was asking for it. And actually, surprisingly, 2023, I've heard a lot of that.

She was asking for it. Yeah. What she was wearing. And you think, we have come so far, yet that is still an opinion that is out there. And a horrible thing to say. Horrible thing to say. What she had a sign that said, touch me.

Yeah. It's really hard. Yeah yeah it's really hard yeah it's really really hard i think as well with the body image it's so interesting that it fluctuates all the time with trends you know 1920s you had to be stick thin no boobs no bum yeah then back to the 1990s it was supermodels yeah skinny yeah now we go to the 2020s 2023 yeah it's to have a bit of curve yeah to be a bit curvy and i think that's so hard what so i'm supposed to be stereotyped as a female yeah what do you want from me what do you know what do you want and i think at that point as us women we just have to make a stand and be like whatever we are just bloody We just have to make a sound and be like, whatever we are, just bloody enjoy it and be grateful for it.

Because you can't keep controlling and fluctuating yourself like this. One thing I think is interesting as well is that women with strong personalities are outspoken. They're aggressive. They're confrontational. outspoken they're aggressive they're confrontational and i think it's very interesting when we've i've spoken to a few male friends and they're like oh like all we want is someone with a great personality and someone with a big personality however when someone with a big personality comes along they've all of a sudden got an issue with it yeah not them specifically but i've seen how i've definitely seen other guys be threatened by a woman's self-assurance interesting where it's like if you bicker back all of a sudden you're problematic and it's like no can you just acknowledge the fact that you're being a dick completely and i

think it works the same in in a workplace as well you know there's someone goes into the boardroom a male goes into the boardroom and he says, shut the fuck up and listen. Yeah. Wow, look how assertive he is. Whereas a woman goes in and says, shut the fuck up and listen. Isn't she aggressive? Oh.

She's not professional. Now, I personally have not experienced that. So I'm talking from a very generalization. Like that was a complete generalization. However, I have heard of people saying that that's the way it is. Opinionated women get branded as like yeah aggressive and uptight i also think something that i have been stereotyped as as a woman as a gender is if i have high expectations i'm high

maintenance and i have um experienced that a lot you, if there's something that I won't settle for, it's, oh God, women, aren't they high maintenance? It's like, no. I just know my worth and I know what I'd like. So I find that difficult. I felt on the end of that before. For certain things, not a lot has changed. But for so much, there has.

And you can work the complete other way with men you know you really can yeah i think i found that maybe because i'm more of a happy-go-lucky person and i won't be that confrontational that people do think that oh there's not a lot of substance oh she's a bit stupid i always kind of feel like that's the case whereas i'm not saying i'm the smartest fucking woman in the world no you're an intelligent woman however i think it's one of those things oh let's not let's not involve katie in this conversation because she won't get it yeah it's interesting and i'm like oh come on like i think it's just a bit silly. Yeah. You know, stereotype as gender still happens now on the tube of,

well, you're a woman, you should take the seat. How do you feel about that? It's hard because there's, it seems of good intention. Yeah. Like, it does seem of good intention. No, I don't't have an issue with that i think it's quite chivalrous i do and i love a bit of chivalry and like holding the door open again you know or let me do that for you when we've been personally i see that as something chivalrous not you can't open the door you've got no strength yes yeah you know seems like it's even when like in a social situation if we're all sat around and

there's not a seat for me one of the boys will stand up take my seat and i think that's lovely and i think that's lovely yeah so i think there is a lot of positives and negatives it is hard isn't it it is really hard and i and i think it is hard for for men and women to have that complete understanding of each other yes um because sometimes i've seen interactions on the tube it's like please take my seat i don't need your seed and i think that's really hard because it is yeah i think that man is being very chivalrous and that's very kind act i thought there was no malice or patronizing there at all whereas she is i'm not weak i can stand on my own thank you very much 100 yeah so i thought that was interesting. Interesting. Yeah, interesting conversation. I like that question. Yeah, it's a good one.

Gorgeous. No, go on, my love. What's your silly question? Okay. Lighten the mood. Okay. Yeah. If you could be any chocolate bar or sweetie, what would you want to be?

And what do you actually think you are? What do I want to be? Oh, shit. So is it chocolate separate to the sweet? No, because I originally went with chocolate, but I know you with chocolate but I know you do like a sweet in it. I do like a sweet. Okay, so if I had to be one, in there, Tamifasto. Fucking love them. What do I actually think I am though? I know what you are.

What? What do you think I am? Say your... what did you think you are? Maybe a white mouse. I wouldn't lose chocolate white mice. The sugar ones. No, the chocolate white mice at the cinema. No, the ones with white ears. Although I don't like mice. No. I'm a bit chocolate white mice. The sugar ones. No, the chocolate white mice at the cinema. No, the ones with white ears. Although I don't like mice.

No. I'm a bit scared of them. You'd be a... Pussy pig. I'd be a pussy. No. What? A magic star.

You'd be a magic star. I absolutely would be a magic star. You would be a magic star. You're bang on there, my friend. Yeah, just... Love in life. The arms out, smiling away.

Love in life. I would be a magic star. Hell yeah. I would. I'd be smiling away. What would you be? I'd want to be a galaxy cookie crumble.

Wow. I don't think I am, though. You're definitely not a galaxy cookie crumble. I'm not. I think I know what I'd be. Tell me, tell me. A Malteser. I could see you as a Maltese. I could see myself as me a malteser i can see you as a maltese

i could see myself as a maltese i could see you as a maltese actually rolling about yeah crumbling around crumbling away yeah yeah i could see you as that and everyone likes a maltese that everyone's always like yeah everyone loves the maltese same with magic do you suck the maltese as though or do you crunch them you know what't fucking really know what I'd say. You crunch them. Yeah. What would be the most offensive thing someone could call you? I know what mine would be if someone was like, you're a Kit Kat chunky.

I'm like, oh, so I'm fat, am I? Oh, if someone, no, if someone said I was a wine gum. That is rude! I would throw myself into the mood. If someone said I was licorice. Oh! No, no, no, not licorice of all sorts. Do you hate me?

Imagine you're at the pub. They're like, I've just figured out if you were a sweet, you would be a wine gum. I'd be like, my time to go. I'll swill you.

Or if we're... What? What the fuck? Nah, get out my fucking house. And if I'm drunk enough? Oh, you'll beef them. You will beef them. And I'll apparently get tired.

I'll show them. Yeah, you'll beef them. You will beef them. What the fuck? And I'll apparently get tired. I'll show them. Yeah. I'll show them. Yeah, I'll go to sleep. Right, guys. Right. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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