The Debrief - Keeping Up With The Dilemmas | The Debrief Podcast

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

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I've got a rebel soul I've got a rebel soul Welcome to Deep Bree With your co-host, Kitty MacNeil, keep me on my toes Absolutely, don't wear out No, don't wear them the little tutsies out Oh, no Oh, how is your toe's all right, had the blood test on

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So hopefully that I should become messed with me God hope. God hope for like. Oh God. Have you seen the little baubles that Archie know I've done? I was actually looking today and trying to guess which ones, who did who's. And I'm going to guess that Archie did the red and white one. And then you did the candy cane.

I did the candy cane. And potentially the green one. So Archie did the green one. I was 50-50 on that. I did the candy cane. So I was like, this is what we're doing for date night. We're kind of like painting baubles. So cute.

Well, I locked it. pink candy canes with like baby pink with like cute little red parts I was like precise precision I got to get it right Archie's like like big lines squares across

and I'm like Archie it's not it's not a sprint it's don't have to get one time quickly like honestly and then he's like downing his food so you want day night to be over is that what you're saying so you hate me

no I see I see no no oh my god we haven't even spoken about Katie's just been away at the moment doing something really excited but we can't say no no we definitely can't say but it's very exciting and you'll find out very soon very fun or not so soon but when it comes out you'll know you'll know yeah um uh but you were away recently and i went to see um a friend in rent yes now i was so confused it's a confused well yes i was really confused the only thing i knew about it is that it referenced, like, AIDS and all that kind of stuff

and, like, the loss and the heartbreak from that. Yeah. But also that it was based off the opera from Laoboam. Yes. And I knew Laoboam really well. So I was like, oh, and then Mimi and Rodolfo. I was like, I saw that character arc. I was like, oh, my gosh, that makes sense.

But then there was a lot that confused me. There is a lot. There's a lot that goes on. And I enjoy, my favorite bit was take me for what. I am or take me or leave me that that is a banger and the girls playing that because it's a is that right that's a lesbian couple yeah it's a hard thing that both girls did a really good job yeah and they both had really really strong voices yeah and I would say that there was a lot of voices that then couldn't act but those two really nailed it did both and I was like oh this is really

really good they had really good chemistry yes and I don't know if it's normal but the girl that was what in the couple, she also did the moon thing, like the moon monologue. Is that so, is that normal? Is that normal? You know what's funny is when you were telling me that what, like one of my dream roles is Maureen in that show? And I would love to do over the moon, what a fucking song. And it's that, and is it normal that the person who does over the moon is also the same

person in the relationship? Yes, yeah. Because they're all kind, the pitches that they're all kind of struggling artists. Okay, okay. That's the whole... Oh, so she was doing like... It's a performance piece, yeah. Right, okay.

So she's putting a show on. Okay. Now, for me, it was very confusing. It is. Because we were really in the Mimi, like... Roger, Mimi Roger. Yeah, we were like, okay. And then the guy that played the guy with the video camera...

Mark. Yeah. So good. He was excellent. Yeah. He was very good. Love Mark. Stage presence, great voice, great acting.

Had it all. And he was very, I was very invested in him. But I wanted more from his story. I wanted him to like... Kind of same. I feel like it's kind of Roger and Mimi's story. Yeah, I wanted more from his. And then Angel and...

Collins. Yeah, really, really interesting, dynamic and really good story. Was the angel in drag? No, the angel wasn't in drag. They were trans. Right. But that was, that was like only, or at least I didn't realize that that was, like, the character. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was like, not revealed because I think anyone who knows that. Yeah. But it was reference, that's the word. It was reference like halfway through. Yeah, yeah. And then more references were made. Or maybe I was then more tuned in because I'd actually understood. Yeah.

But that story was really, like, interesting. Yeah. And then finding out of both Mimi and Roger, like, have. is it AIDS and I was like oh my gosh you know I was like okay and then all of a sudden this girl comes out of nowhere and everyone's who who's who who are you Maureen's a princess track she comes on at the very end of at one

completely and she like pops up also the staging and lighting was sensational oh my god I love that it was sensational I do love the show she pops up and everyone's whooping and I'm like who is this do you know what mean, I'm like, who is this? Anyway, gets on the stage and then starts like doing the move, gets everyone else to move in the audience. And I'm like looking around. Like, I then get the

giggles because I'm like, this can't be real. Like, what is going on right now? And then obviously the people I was seeing it with are empty. So they were explaining. Yeah. No, it's a thing. It's a thing. It's like, right. Okay. Yeah. But then did I hear my fucking words? Because she sang, take me for what I am with the other lady. day and fucking smash down. So I personally hate the Rent film. I think the film is dreadful. However, the original Maureen on Broadway,

like OG, O'G, Maureen, is Adina Manzal, who played Elphaba, original Elfabre on Broadway. That was her. So she sang the Mooh thing. Yeah. And she sang... Take me or leave me. Yeah.

I could see her smashing that to be fair. It's so, it's a really... I love Rent a lot. But I do. remember like being really into musical theatre when I was younger in my teenage like years and then finding rent and feeling like I was super cool and edgy because it's more of a rocky musical. It's very rocky. Yeah. So I do. I just have a real soft spot for it. But I think it's very easy to get wrong. Yeah. To give them the benefit of the doubt, something that I really

thought was so special. When we all walked in on each chair, there was a card for the HIV charity and it donate. Yeah, and it had so much awareness on it and it was so relevant and then at the end of the show a speaker came on stage and like informed us all about her and it was so special because actually

you know, theatre is art but it is a lesson as well like you're learning so much and when the individual's talking at the end you looked around the cast and so many of them were crying. bawling their eyes out and you think you

never actually know why they've done the show. Yes, they might be talented musically or, you know, dancer or whatever. But you thought, okay, this is actually quite special to you then. And it was just, it was just lovely to see. I was like, okay, wow. Yeah. It's really nice. It was such a good touch. Anyway, let's crack on. Let's go on. So, my manch for this week is every step, every setback, every late night led me here. Yes. You've always got to think, you know, when you're like, I'm so overwhelmed or like, I'm so tired or, you know, oh my God, I've got a rejection or blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you get your break. And then you get your big break. Yes. I had a great therapy session with my therapist this week. Oh, that was amazing. And she was just saying to me, she was like, I just want to tell you kitty that. I have 100% faith in you. She was like, I feel it in my gut. She was like, I just know that your big break is coming. I was like, genuinely. She was like, you just shine.

She was like, you're just meant to do what you're doing. And I was like, do you know what? It's so nice to hear, yeah. It's so nice to hear, but also treasure these moments where I can be at home and, you know, all that kind of stuff. So I was like, yeah, really nice. Oh, my mantra this week. My mantra this week is the gift is the present. Oh, that's similar to mine there.

Very much. I literally, the one thing I wanted out of the experience I had with this job was that I am a warrior. I get very stressed because I want everything to go really well. And I get so stressed when I'm actually there. I've had so many experiences that I've been so grateful to do but have been like the entire time I've been a bag of nerves, been so anxious, been so stressed. Then you didn't enjoy it?

I didn't enjoy it. And I don't realize I enjoyed it until about a week after. And I'm like, oh my God, that was so fun. But at the time I didn't enjoy myself at all. That's so good though that you're now at a really early stage and at a very young stage, you're, like, recognising that. Literally. You know, what a sadness to be, like, halfway through and thinking, I haven't even

enjoyed this, you know, I've just been stressed. So I was like, the job I was doing I was so nervous for and I was really, really stressed, but I literally was like, I'm going to make it my mission, like, my one goal out of this isn't to be like, well, obviously I want to try and do a good job, but I'm like, my main, main focus is to just be present and have fun. enjoy the experience. And I did. I'm like really proud that I actually did. I'm so proud of you, Pete. Felt very present. I was like, okay, perfect, did it. And now I'm like, got to go back to fucking work. I'm so proud of you. Oh, thanks, girl. We can't tell you

a debrief, but Katie's shining and I'm so proud of my best friend. Oh, thanks go. I'm proud of you too. Oh, so lovely. Tell me your song. My song for this week, I'm still on Lily Allen. I'm afraid. Oh, I mean, did you get tickets? Still on. So Charlotte got three tickets. And for Christmas, she was like to Archie and Mimi, Archie's sister, I'm going to take the three of you. Oh, she doesn't want to go. So Archie said to Charlotte, you could take Hitty. So I'm like, please can I come?

You know the contact that Charlotte got, that got her the cold play tickets, the VIP that were at Grand Beach? He got her tickets again. She texted him being like, would you mind? And he was like, course, got her tickets, like in a heartbeat. Could you get on an extra one? Right. I'm like, I tried.

I tried. I tried to get tickets. I had a bit of downtime on Friday and I saw that the tickets had gone out but it was like half 12. And I went on the website and it was like, just to let you know,

like all the tickets available are in people's bags, like please exit the queue. And I was like, I tried, I tried. Oh my God. I know. So Archie was like,

I don't really want to go to Shal and Trump. I was like, you can come here. I was like, I don't know. I do have to. Oh my God. So I'm still on the Lily Allen trend. Ruminating. I just can't stop listening to the lyrics and then gasping.

And the lyric I have to keep going over is when she goes, Then you said, if it has to happen, baby, do you want to know? If it has to happen, baby, do you want to know? If it has to happen, baby, do you want to know? I don't know. I don't know. What a line, line. Insane.

What a fucking lie. I was like. Insane. He asked her if it has to happen. Do you want to know? Are you judging it? If I shite someone else. I was talking to my boss today at work and I was like, have you listened to the Lili-Alan album?

And he was like, I have. I was like, I said to him, I'm just such a romantic. I could never. I could never. Never ever. I'm like, how did she go through this? Literally. And the other one, it's a different song.

But when she talks about, let's hide it from the kids. I'm like, oh. It's so, like, she, oh, God, I'm so, oh, my God. But Ruminating is a really good one. You've got to get to that concert. Oh my God. It's really like, ruminating, ruminating. Yes.

Just, to treadmill time. Yeah, love it. Tell me your song for this week. My song this week is, My Roon Scootin' Baby is driving me. Go raising my obsessions from a less than a dance all day. Roney on, Ronnie, Raleigh, O, Rondie, Go-a, Lends a dough.

And I'm going to get a nine, five, six, That's a great song. Five, six, seven, eight by steps. Where did that come from? So I have been, it sounds really silly, before any audition. Silly. Silly. Before any audition, before anything that makes me a little bit nervous,

I have started putting that song on and dancing. Because I'm like, how could I possibly be nervous after like doing a little lip sync for my life to five, six, seven, eight by steps? And I'm telling you, it works wonders. Like, it literally makes me feel so silly and just gets me out. my head like it makes me feel like it's way calmer because I'm like how could I possibly be nervous? Well you like look at yourself in the mirror and dance yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I've been doing it all week before an audition before I leave I would love to do that I do it before an audition

I lock myself in the bathroom I put my headphones in and I dance in the like pineapple toilet it's like I'm literally like not ashamed see that's so good because before auditions I always listen to I am woman yes yes I am woman I but actually that can make you more nervous, because it's like a pressure on my shoulders. So maybe I start needing to root scooting. Root scooting baby. 5, 6, 7, 7, 8 steps. Fantastic.

Reckers? Reckers? Reckerm. Reckerm recommendation. This week is the Bridewell Theatre, which I saw Renta. Love. For amateur theatre, I genuinely thought the staging, the set. I love. that. Like, if I saw that staging, set, lighting,

props, all of that on the West End, I would have been, like, satisfied. Oh, my God. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I was like, oh, wow. Like, this is, this is really good. So I think if you want to get like a deep, if you want to, especially when you see, there was a guy in it who was a X Factor finalist who had the most sensational voice. And I was like, just supporting like local theatre.

Yeah. But also learning. Like I learned so much. So good. So, so good. So that's, Definitely my recommendation this week. Love that. Are you ready to debrief? I'm ready. Let's debrief. Okay, this week, it's time for a follow-up.

The Brief podcast. We've had listeners who previously sent in their dilemmas right back with updates. And a lot of you have been asking for this one, so we're super excited to share how some of those stories have turned out. Now, honey, honey, honey, honey. If you don't know the original dilemmas, you should be listening every week and slap on the rest. Long. Okay? Slap on.

the rest. Slap on the rest. But I will give you a quick round down. Okay, we've had an update from the girl that did the Mr. Safe or Mr. Sex-in. Oh, yes. So this is a girl. I think the podcast came out like late September, early October vibes. The writer was dating two men.

Yeah. One was stable, dependable. The other was spontaneous passionate. Yeah. She chose the safe guy because her family loves him. He thought he was really responsible, thoughtful, practical. But she cannot stop. thinking about Mr. Chaos, who's very romantic and who made her, in her words, feel alive.

Now she's torn between the comfort of stability and excitement of real passion, wondering if she chose right or just playing the adult safe choice. And if I remember he got her like a necklace or something like that. Anyway, she's written back, hey, girls, if this isn't a life lesson to not settle, I don't know what else is. So I was staying at Mr. the safes flat. We haven't moved in together just to let you know.

But we ying and yang from one flat to another. We live on the other borough of each other. So it's only like 20 minute walk. Okay, fine. She must be a London girlie then. He was going away for the weekend, but said I could stay at his. As his flat is a lot closer to my work.

So after work on Friday, I went straight there and invited the girls over and had a really girly night. Nice. On the Saturday, I had a friend's dinner party. Yeah. So got ready at his flat and the girls were already gone by then. And I was meeting a different group of friends. So had the music on, ordered in, got my hair ready, just all ready to go.

Yeah. Anyway, I arrive at the dinner party and the friend that I'm going to meet, I met through a local club that I've started in London. Great. So I didn't know anyone else that apart from her. Okay. I walk in the door and guess who's sat? right there.

When I walk in, Mr. Sexy. Mr. Sexy. Fuck. He casually just plays rugby with one of the friend's housemates so he was invited. Stop, okay.

I wrote my girls. I was so fucking excited. Oh no. And I immediately got flutters. It felt like it was the universe trying to bring us back together. Yeah. I felt guilty because I was so excited

that he was there and I was like, put me next to him immediately. I quickly ran off to the toilet It fixed my hair, made sure my lip gloss was looking good. And I did think to myself, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't like him. Yeah. The second we lock eyes, sparks fly. We were sat next to each other at the table, and he kept gently putting his hand on my thigh.

I didn't stop it. Trauma. The vibes were flirty, and my heart was going. I excused myself from the table and went to get my lip gloss from my coat, again topping up. wanted to be conscious that I looked good. Yep. My coat was in the corridor, hung up, and all of a sudden, I felt hands around my waist. He shoved me into the living room, and one thing led to another, we started kissing really passionately.

It was hard, urgent, and desperate. Oh, my God. We could hear everyone else in the other room laughing, chatting, mumbling, just normal vibes, while we were in here completely seducing each other, but no one knew. Oh my gosh. Later, he came back to mine. And when I say mine... That's bad.

I mean, Mr. Saves. That's bad. That's bad. Girls, we had tax. Boom. It was wild, messy, unforgettable and truly irresistible. I genuinely felt like I was enough. Sunday morning hits.

I wake up. No clothes on. To a message. I roll over panic. Oh my God, he's got a ring doorbell, isn't he? He's got a fucking ring doorbell. I roll over panicked, seeing a text from Mr. Safe. I missed you so much this weekend.

Why don't we get brunch when I get back? I panic. It's fucking 11.30. He'll be back. It's brunch time. He'll be back any minute. It's standard brunch time. I get Mr. Sexy out and tell him to fuck off and get out and go to brunch.

Where Mr. Safe calmly asks, are you happy? My stomach drops. She thought she got away with it. It's when he was going to whack out the ring doorbell in front of her. He's going to pull out of his pocket. My stomach drops and I realize he's seen everything. I tried to stumble and say, oh, he was just, and he says stop. Don't bullshit me.

Everything spills out. He asks who was he. The conversation was so hard. And he told me to get my stuff from. his flat and go. He said I was so fucking disrespectful. I mean. He asked me if I had sex with him. I said yes. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. He said to have sex with another man in my flat that I let you borrow. You're a despicable human being. I think that's pretty harsh, but also kind of warranted from him in the moment. He in the moment. He says he never wants to see me again. We were in the

coffee shop, having brunch. We were in the coffee shop and he told me I had half an hour to get all my stuff and he blocked me straight away. I felt sad girls that this had happened. Yeah. And I honestly felt like a bitch that I mistreated him. Yeah. God, I was so excited to see Mr. Sexy again. Oh, God.

That's it. Do we know, did he have a ring doorbell? He must have done. Yes, yes. He must have done. Yeah, he had a ring doorbell. Yeah. Imagine there's someone at your door.

Oh, them getting along. Stop here. They've got scope as well. They're in point five. It's not like, oh, they're just, you could just see something. No, you see, you can see a lot from the ring doorbell. Not that this is the door. Do you know what I was thinking when I read this earlier?

It's not even worse stumbling back. It's the fact that she's like opening the door, get out. Get out. Get out. And he's seeing that as well. Why are you panicking? It's not my flat, babe. Oh my God.

I'm like, honeybonnet, honey bonnet. You should have not. You should not have done that. You've done it now. However, this is a classic. This is why you need to get into sex in the city. This is a perfect Samantha Jones moment. And you know what?

Samantha Jones is unapologetically herself. So do you know what? This is a great dinner party story. It will feel better in time to come. And you've also got sexy man he wants you as well. Let's look at the positives here. And the way I was kind of aroused when she was saying how he like pushed her into the living room and they were getting up. I was like, that'll be a night time fantasy.

In, oh, you'll be thinking about that for months to come. For months. I was like, wow. So Honey Bonnie, we. don't endorse cheating. No, but you've done it now. You don't endorse doing it in the person's flat. But you've done it, you know, you've done it.

And actually, I do think that, you know, you were saying to us a few months ago, I'm thinking about him, I'm thinking about him, I think about it. Like, it was only inevitable that you were going to, like it was. It was a matter of time. So obviously, as you said, you didn't do that well. But also, well done for being honest, you know. Yeah, you could have just lied. You could have fumbled that, but well done for being honest.

but I do now want to have another update that what's going on with Mr Sexy Are you dating him? Are you seeing him? How's it gone with Mr Sexy? I want to know everything like Also I wish this was my life And I really want to know what Mr Sexy has to say like

Did you tell Mr Sexy that it was Mr Safe's flat? We need another update I bet Honestly I feel like that would have like Egged Mr Sexy on Mr Sexy would have been like This is sexy This is sexy

Because it's terrible It's so terrible It's dreadful It's absolutely terrible Because if the shoe were on the other foot If the shoe of the other foot, I'd be doing what I talked about Lily Allen earlier. Yeah. How could you do that to a woman?

I'd be writing my album. Absolutely. I'm the biggest hypocrite. But she's on the other foot. Sexy. Completely. Sexy. Got another one.

Hi, girls. Short one this week, but would love your opinion on this situation. Yeah. So this was the girl that found out that her male colleague was getting paid more than her. Yes. Yes. She said, but, but, but he was getting paid like 5K more. She said, do I confront my boss and demand a raise and risk being difficult or stay quite resentful while job hunting on the other side?

She said, hi, Kitty, hi, Katie. It's just a quick one, to be honest, again, if you don't ask, you don't get. Oh. I calmly talked to my superior about a pay rise and gave a very good argument to why I was owed one. Yeah. AKA, I asked chat to you PT to plan it out for me and that's what I said. Same. Fine.

I didn't mention that I knew my male colleague's salary. Okay. you advise me to do. Yeah. They agreed and said that I've been due one for a while now. Great. And agreed a pay rise, which I now think is even more than my male colleague is on. I'm iconic.

No risk. No awards, girls. Oh my God. Yay. Yay. I'm so pleased. Why, damn. Glass ceiling who?

Yeah, I'm so pleased. I love that. Okay, we've got our last follow-up. Okay. This is about the iPad family feud one. Yes. This is about the cousins. Yes.

Went on a cousin's phone or whatever. was the iPad and saw there was a secret family war thing. They were at barbecue, asked her to help with the phone update. She opened the messages to check something. And she stumbled into a secret convo between her aunt and her cousin talking shit about the mum, saying she's insecure, mocking her boyfriend,

saying let's accidentally forget to invite her to a family trip. And they said about the girl herself that she's brainwashed by her mom and two loyal. to be on the, to the wrong side. She said she didn't say anything and looked the moment, couldn't look them in line. She asked us, do I tell my mum and blow the whole family dynamic up? Or do I keep the peace and act like I never saw her? Yeah.

Okay. Hi, Katie. Hi, Kitty. Hey. I would love to debrief about you. I would love to debrief with this about us. Yeah, about us. What the hell?

I thought you'd want to hear this. So let me debrief. If I'm being honest, it's not a good ending. Oh, no. The situation got worse, way worse. After the chaos, I told you about last time, girls, the truth finally spilled. As you both advised me, I talked to my mum, and she calmly reacted, although I know she was hurt. Okay.

And she said, though, ironic she's judging the decisions I make, I asked her what she meant by that. And she said, it doesn't matter. I asked her again and she said, honestly, let's not go there. Okay. And gave me a kiss on the head. I ended up finding out from my cousin that the real reason my mum and my dad broke up was because he slept with my aunt. You were lying.

She says, yeah. My aunt's been acting like the fucking victim. My mum has been protecting me. As long as I can remember, my parents have been divorced since I was five. I'm now in my early 20s. Wow, okay. She's been protecting me as long as I can remember and she didn't want to upset me

and make me feel bad about my own dad, let alone the aunt. But now it is really out. Suddenly, all of those messages trashing my mum, calling her insecure, mocking her boyfriend, it makes this twisted awful sense. She clearly is massively jealous and insecure and I'm left in a position where I'm proud of my mum.

She's very strong, but also my heart is breaking for her. I keep thinking maybe some skeletons are actually best left in the closet. But now that it's out, there's no pretending anymore. Family gatherings are very tense. Everyone's side-eyeing each other. And I feel like I've been dropped into a full-blown soap opera drama. I also feel sad that my dad has also been walking on eggshells around me about this whole lie. And that it's been kept under the cover.

I wish he had been on it. I would have respected it more. Yeah. I think it's selfish that he's kept, I think it's selfish that he's not allowed my mum to talk about this to protect his own image. Yeah. My mum and my dad are still quite close friends,

so I really don't understand the dynamic of that at all. The three of us, although they're divorced, regularly go on holiday together to keep the family unit tight. Right. As I said, they're still close friends. Yeah. There's one coming up in a few weeks time, and I just really don't know how to feel about it

if I'm honest, what do you think? Oh, God. My love. You can't address it. No. You can't address it. I think it's just like the worst possible situation. I think, as you said, it's the lying that's a shame.

Yeah. And it's the... If they've not brought it up to you directly, you can't, you can't... They've chosen to not dredge this up. They've chosen to actively move past it. Yeah, they have. You can't bring it up. Your mind didn't even take it.

tell you. Although I think she should. I'm like, how much longer is this going to go on that they think you're in the dark and you're like, I know. Yeah. I think there's almost in a while no better occasion than being with them both just the three of you. Being like, I know. I do know. Yeah. And, you know, I so understand how she feels sad for her mom. I so understand how she feels sad for her dad. I so feel how she feels angry at both. Yeah, yeah. But I think like truth, one, truth always comes out. Yeah, it does. And two, you always feel better when, when it does as well. Yeah, that is, yeah, get it all out in the open. Yeah, it's a real shame that your dad didn't, you know, help your mum here by talking to you about it. I also get, though, it's like,

when is the right time? You know, I'm not defending him. No. When is the right time? Yeah. You know, you're five and then you go to six and, you know, you're getting older and then you're going through GCSEs. We don't want to, then you're going through it. Yeah. You know, and then you go off to uni and then you're like, when is this actually ever coming out? Yeah. So I don't understand it, but I can see the thought process behind it. Yeah. I actually think you should have that conversation and be like, even if you're not looking

for an explanation, or maybe you are, I don't know. I think maybe you could just say to them, I wish you'd been honest with me. Yeah. And going forward, I would really appreciate if you could be as well. Yeah. I know it's come out in the worst possible way. But like, I know now. But I know.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really difficult one. And I'm really sorry about that because that has brought up so many horrible things. Yeah. And I am so sorry because, you know, it doesn't, no matter what your relationship is like, you know, that's your, you get one mum and you get one dad. Yeah, yeah.

So you have to treasure those relationships if you want to and if you want to nurture them. So good luck and be kind to yourself. And also, you know, your dad prioritised himself. You're allowed to prioritize yourself too, whether that's special. whether that's communication or confrontation, you know, you're allowed to do that. But I think just go about it that I know. Yeah. Rather than do you need to tell me something, you know.

I know. Yeah. And it might actually upset you more if there's a denial or, you know, honestly. Exactly. Yeah. And sometimes you have to be the bigger person. Yeah, honestly. And unfortunately, I think, you know, this is a big lesson where actually, you know,

you see your parents as equals. Yeah, yeah. They're learning too. Yeah, 100%. Good luck, though. You're kind to yourself. I hope you're okay. Ix.

Eeks. Okay, I've got one. I'll ping pong you. Okay. Okay, it's got nothing to do with the dilemma. But I had it today. Just coughing up nowhere. Cover your mouth.

Why are you not covering your mouth? Cover your mouth. And there's someone that I see regularly that just... I'm like mid-conversation. Relax. And I'm like, ugh. Relax. Relax.

Cover your mouth. That's disgusting. Never again. Never ever. Mine is people being passive aggressive. Oh, I know. Passive aggressive comments. Passive aggressive like, oh, I'm so sorry, but just one more.

Shut up. Just ask with your chest Yeah Ask with your chest Or just say nothing Say nothing And it's like when people Throw other people under the bus

Like So and so just said So is it Can I just confirm that it's on Tuesday And they're like yeah I mean I knew it was on Tuesday I just I heard some chat And people thought it was on Wednesday

Oh No one cares No one cares If you know that's fine It's gonna be the other people That look like an idiot Exactly Exactly

Exactly Okay. Question. Question. I'm serious. And I am Philly. My serious question for you this week is, if your family had a theme song for all their drama,

what would it be? I mean, a theme song for all their drama. Yeah. We don't really have a lot of fun. Would it be, you know, would it be like Wind in the Willows, no drama whatsoever? Windy. Oh, I.

I get you. I get you. Or would it be like... Olivia or Roger, go... I think it would be quite jazzy, you know. Oh, really? Yeah, I think it would be like... Oh, da-da-man-man-in-ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-oh.

Like, I think... Mixing up. Yeah, I think it can be, like, a bit of a tempo thing, because it can be calm, but it also would be a bit erratic. I'm so sorry. I'm silly. I know. I'm so sorry. I did...

This is a silly question. I was panicking for a set because I was like, I have a serious question. I was just trying to think in my head silly questions. I'm silly. Sorry. I was like, I'm serious. No, I'm not. Shaking it out. Silly. But this week we're doing it the other way around. I don't. Silly for us. Yeah. I think it'll be jealous. Quite jalous. What about you? My family's not drama, but we quite gossip.

Oh, like, a bit of scat. Yeah. So I could see, like, maybe like, um, um, um, I may be spice up your life. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like, not what, it's not harmful. No, no, no, no. It's like, no, no, but it's like, oh, oh, what you want to say? Yeah, oh, oh, do you know. My mum's changed our group chat on, on WhatsApp to keeping up with the McNeil's. Oh, my God, hilarious. And it honestly is. Every day the drama on that, like. Oh, I love it. I love that.

But it's great. It's great. It's so good. I'm like, loving it. I'm like, I'm like, my mum was sending faces of her outfit the other day. And she's like, do you think you should go with a of a high belt? She was like, Mum, it couldn't get better than this. It couldn't get better. Tell me your serious question, Pache. My serious question is, do you think questioning your relationship is a normal thing? As in relationship as a partner or friendship? Partner.

As a normal thing, did you say? Yeah. I'm asking another question. When you say question it, do you mean should I be in it? Or like... I would say, should I be in it slash, am I doing the right thing? I think should I be in it is a rogue one. Yeah.

I think if you're questioning it, it might either be very early on. Yeah, yeah. Or you might not be in the right one. Yeah. For example, you know, in April, arch and I would have been together for five years. I'm not questioning whether I'm in the right relationship.

Yeah, yeah. I'm never at bed at night, like thinking in my head. This is the right thing. Should I be single? I never think that. Yeah. Nor do I think should I be with someone else? Never.

Yeah. So I think if you're, And I understand that everyone's relationships are different. Yeah. But I think this long into the line, if you are thinking that I do, I think you're not in the right relationship. Yeah. Or maybe you want to, you know,

there's some part of it that you're missing. Yeah. Maybe you wanted to go traveling, but this is keeping you back. Or maybe you want to, you know, go on a sabbatical and you can't, you know, it doesn't mean that they're a wrong person. It might mean that you just need something else

that you can't. Yeah. So I think if you're questioning, your relationship far in, then, yeah, I think something's up. Also, if it's early on, I think that's normal. Yeah. I think it's very normal.

Yeah. Whether I'm doing the right thing, I think that's so healthy. Yeah, yeah. I think that is just so healthy. I think you should never be too comfortable that you're doing the right thing. I think you should always be 50-50. Yeah. Speak your truth.

Mm-hmm. But allow them to speak fairs too. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think, I think one of the greatest gifts we can hold is being curious and questioning, not questioning ourselves till we go round in circles. Yeah. But, you know, something that children have is curiosity. They're so curious and it's so magical. Yeah, yeah.

And that is magical in a relationship when not only you're yearning to learn more about them, but you're also yearning to learn more about yourself. Yeah. Like even when I talked about the date night the other night with Arch and I, small moments like that we were asking each other questions and I was like oh my god I didn't know that I didn't know that you know yeah or I was asking him about a certain situation and he was giving me a new perspective yeah and I said thank you for helping me grow because actually you know staying accountable in a lovely I think you do it to me like really well oh you do it to me as well yeah it's not ever nasty I'm like oh my god Katie I'm really upset but it's like I love you so much but maybe it could

have been like yeah yeah and that really helps me think okay I can grow from this. And I think that's a strongest thing you can have in life, in work, in your partner and in your friendships. Yeah. Yeah. Bye on. Right, guys. End of the end of the end.

On the great week. And we're in November. I know. Sanny Claus is coming down. Santa. Santa. Right. Love you guys.

See ya. Bye. soul, I've got a rebel soul.