The Debrief - See You On The Girls Trip | The Debrief Podcast

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

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Well, we're back with the debrief with your co-host Kitty McNeil, your co-host Katie Lute. Absolutely. Do you know what we were just discussing before the debrief kicked off? Yeah. gussing before the debrief kicked off. It's that Katie was doing a bit of another Steve Jobs moment where the printer, the ink cartridge ran out of work. Now, do you know what's quite interesting Katie? When I'm not around you, I'm quite independent. When I'm left to my own devices and I can't rely on the page. I can actually do it. A bit of a Bear Grylls. Fully, fully, fully, fully, fully. Now, the other day I was at work and I was trying to print some

things off as well. Now, I had all set up on the, it was a HP computer, you know, the ones I'm at. Classic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Classic. Going through to, you know, you know, Steve Jobs, going through to the printer. Now, ones. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. Going through to, you know, you know, it's Steve Jobs going through to the printer now, kept hitting print, not going through. Now, I checked now I would have never thought to do this, but I thought, take the risk. Checked my Wi-Fi on the computer. Oh, that'll do it. And it wasn't on the printer. So I was thinking, oh, right, press it, still doesn't print through. I'm thinking, what's going on here? Anyway, I go to the printer, turn the printer on and I go through the Wi-Fi settings. Who do I think I am?

Oh my God. See, if you were around Katie, I would have sat on my sweet cheeks and thought Katie's got it. Katie's got it. Katie's got it. And I would have never tried, ever. But because I was left to my own devices. You were, you were just, who was going to sort it? Be chief. To the point where. So the company I work for have buildings all over the place. There's another one in the same borough that I'm in. They emailed me saying, could you do me a favor? Our printer's broken.

Would you mind printing it off yours? Who would have ever relied on me in the past for printing jobs? I would have gone to Rimeys. Look at me now. That's actually really impressive. Thank you. I wouldn't have even thought about going to the Wi-Fi settings on the computers. Printers scare me.

Printers are very elitist. I'm like, why, why, what's this about? Printers know that we're idiots. So they try to mess with you. Yeah, I don't get printers. And I'm like, why are you doing this to me? I'm not fluent in printers. No, no, God, no, no, no.

I'm okay with like computers. You won't catch me on a printer. No. TVs, I'm usually quick fix. You're a quick fix. I'm toxic on a TV or a computer. It's something actually you should put on your dating profile, Katie. Good with tech.

Very good with tech. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think there's still quite a sexism about women not being very good with tech. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think there's still quite a sexism with about women not being very good with technology. Yeah. Not mislead. No, maybe some people find it quite endearing, quite arousing actually. You never know, Katie.

Well, we'll never know. But you know what? I'll let you know if I go on a date and there like phone crashes or something. Yeah. And I fix it. I'll let you know how that goes. That would be fantastic. Big time. You could just boop boop boop boop boop boop. And I fix it. I'll let you know how that goes. That would be fantastic. Big time.

You could just boop boop boop boop boop boop and it was all done. Whoa. How did you do that? I do it every single time. You are fantastic. I will never forget as in that studio, the computer crashed down, the mics crashed down, the volume crashed out and you were like, all sorted. Not a bother. And I was sat there with my iced matcha. Like, how is she doing this?

Honestly, it's a gift. So shout out to the leech. Thank you. Shall we? Let's debrief. Oh no, let's not. Let's mantra. What's your mantra?

Okay. So you're going to love this. Okay. You might think it's, you know what I'm always like, I fix myself. I always have a bit. Okay. So my mantra is to do with the topic of today. Yeah. And it is, I fix her crown and she fixes mine because real queens rise together. Oh, I love that. Real queens do rise together.

And this is all to do with off the podcast focus for today, but we won't get into that right now. But what I mean by that is that, in order for myself to rise, I also help other women by being happy. Yeah. And Katie helps me and I help her and together we're both queens.

We're not fighting to be queen. We're both queens together by fixing each other's crown. A- We rise. K- We rise. Tell me your mantra. A- My mantra is I'm a magnet to good times. K- Yes, you are. A- Yes, you are. A- That's what's happening. Good times, good vibes everywhere. They're just bang, bang, bang. K- Hit you in the face.

A- I'm literally like romanticizing my life. I actually was a bit embarrassed earlier. I was cooking my dinner because I was a bit hungry. Niamh – You already had your dinner? Sarah – Yeah. I was a bit hungry. Well, I was hungry. Niamh – Oh, that's a bit hard. Sarah – I was pissed off anyway, right? So I was at work. This is a sidetrack. I was at work and I was like, I need to go for a run. So because I passed the gym on the way home, I was like, I'll just run on the treadmill. Niamh – Lovely.

Sarah – Get on the treadmill. And I'm really gearing myself up to go. I'm like, I've got to go to the gym. Lovely. Get on the treadmill, hit bang, start running. And I'm like, good on you girl. Come on. This is what we say. Hits his hand in front of me, waving, waving, waving. Stop on the treadmill. I'm like, sorry. He's like, we're closed. I'm like, what do you mean? I was like, what do you mean you're closed? The gym. I was like, the gym's open until 10. I was like, what do you mean? What do you mean you're closed? The gym. I was like, the gym's open till 10. I was like, what do you mean we're closed? And then he was like, we're closed. And he was like, it's the bank holiday.

So why was the door open then? Shut up. Four. I got there at 3.55. Oh, stop it. Got off the thing. Literally like- How long were you running for? Literally two minutes. And I had to walk home. I was see you again. Were you angry? So I was like, let's romanticize my life. So I went out for a run outdoors and I had to walk home. I was see, I was see you angry. So I was like, let's romanticize my life. So I went out for a run outdoors. I got home, went

for a run and then I was quite hungry after that. So I got my headphones and I listened to one of those ambience playlists. Like you're in New York in a cafe and it's raining outside. Oh, lovely. And then put that in, cook me dinner, had me dinner. And here we are. And here we are. And here we are. And it explains all. Exactly. My original point being, yes, I'm romanticizing my life. Lovely. So I've been like enjoying the vibes, literally at work today. I was like bank holiday vibes, fun. It's still quite hot outside. This is what I say. It wasn't very sunny today until the evening. No, you're right. But it You're right. There's a bit of a humidity in the air. I was getting absolutely thrashed about by the wind earlier though. Yeah. I

know the hair. Yeah. If you got lip gloss on or lip balm. Awful. The worst. The worst. I'm against the law. Okay. So my song for this week, I might be repeating, but it is a classic. It's about time time in a minute. I'm a needle sentimental man woman. I'm a busy working in my balance. He's trying to bring out the fact that people love. Yeah, but a great song about time time Liz. Oh, Liz is the best about time time. It's about damn time. Liz is the best. I mean it. It's such a girl tune. Oh, I am on your line bike or put that in when you're at the gym. Put that in when you're on the tune. Oh yeah. It's a banger. Oh, girl vibe. Love it. Tell me your song for this week.

My song for this week is... MDMA, that gun and blood pupils on. We talked for hours, said, but baby, what was that? What was that? Lorde. Okay. Lorde is back. Okay. Okay. Don't know this one.

Lorde is back. Lorde is back. Hashtag dog summer. Yeah. Lorde came out with a new single and it's all I've been listening to. It makes me feel like I'm in a coming of age teen movie. Remind me what Lorde sings, the original. The original.

And I'm an ill fish. I got my teeth on wet and rain. That's the only onee sings, the original. No, we're tuned. I'm an ill-nourished, I can't much say, don't wet and rain. That's the only one I really, really know. I'm sounding like I'm a big Lorde stan. I'm not really- Okay, I need to look into this. So Lorde's just released- A new song. Dropped an album.

It's literally like, but baby, what was that? Oh. No, no, no. No, no, no. What was that? Oh, for sure we need to listen to this. It's a bit of a summer tune. Yeah.

Yeah. Love it. Are we ready for our recommendations? Right. Recommendation this week. I don't know if you've tried it before, but Pure Lunches. Now Pure is a chain of like healthy breakfast, lunches, snacks, protein drinks, all of that. Spelled P-U-R-A, pure.

Like the water. Every time I'm at work, so when I'm muggle-jobbing, there's a pure near me. I will have the harissa chicken salad every single damn day. Don't blame me. Because 200 calories max. Really? Yeah, for this chicken harissa chicken salad. Like it's a small box, but I have my manager say to me, God, what are you doing with that?

That's so small. I'm telling you, it fills you up. It's got like, oh, again, it's the protein, it's the chicken, it's the salad. Okay. Oh, it's so yummy. Yeah. And I thought, God, if I was, this is the only thing with London, it's it's Spenny. Yeah, lunches, lunches are really upsetting to me. Yeah. If I was sponsored, this is what I was fantasizing about at work. If I was sponsored by Pure, I would go there every day. It's like,

yeah, Pure. What's the other place that I really like? Is it Farmer J's? Farmer J's. Yeah, I've never been to Farmer J's. Oh, Katie, we should go. Farmer J's pure, if I was sponsored by them, I'd go every day. Really? It's like healthy, yummy food.

I'm like that with Attis. Oh, nice. I love Attis. But seriously, I'm thinking, if you haven't tried a pure, really good for a quick stop as well, they do like little, almost like Pratt, they do protein pots. Ooh. So if you need like a protein pot or like they do like fresh fruit. They do protein bars that they do the natural natural Ella naturally Ella. Oh deliciously Ella. Yeah, that's the one

deliciously Ella. They do like the protein balls of them. They get the bars just so nice and always taste so fresh. Oh my god, I love that. And they do like nice protein smoothies. I love a smoothie. Oh, I love that. Are you ready? I'm ready. Okay. Let's debrief. Right. So guys, this week, it's the time of the year when the thought of a girl's trip starts to fill up group chats, the perfect getaway with matching outfits and this cocktail and those picture perfect sunsets. Oh, I love it girls.

But before we start booking the flights and planning every single detail, there's the real talk that happens fast. So who's in? Who's not coming? Who's handling the itinerary and who's always too busy to help. In this episode, we're diving into dilemmas that hit before the fun begins, from choosing the right destination, which is very important, Katie, to dealing with the unspoken tension that can creep into the planning process. It's all about making sure the vibes are good,

the group is solid, and no one else feels left out or overwhelmed. So before we kick off, we're diving straight into the most popular girls trip destinations. Really interests me. So I was just seeing a friend before we start filming the podcast. Yeah. And we've planned to go away in September together. Amazing. And we were originally very set on Croatia, but we think we're going to go somewhere different. Nice. Because I also said to her that the four of us were thinking Croatia as a flat. So I said, well, why don't we go somewhere a bit different? And I was very fascinated to know that these are the top girl trip destinations. Why don't we look at this as a bit of an inspiration? So this isn't in order by the way. This is just the top girl trip

destinations. So we've got Mykonos in Greece. Okay, bougie. Right. I think this is the corporate girly bougie vibes. Yeah, this is like your JP Morgan. I think you've got your JP Morgan. Heading to Mykonos. Yeah, completely. I think they've paid off, boom, on the card. All expenses paid. Mykonos girls grease trip. Now, don't get me wrong, when I'm rich, put Mykonos grease trip on

my bloody card. You and me go- You could probably, I'm sure there's a way you can go to Mykonos on a budget, but every time, it's kind of like Copenhagen, everything I've seen of it is very expensive. Yeah. It's like I feel like Santorini with greases is extortionally expensive. I feel like if I would love to go to Mykonos, you and me. Oh, we would have a best time. Also, we would do Mykonos right. We would.

Because we would do bougie dinners, we'd do great cocktails, we'd do the sun. Yeah. The boys, they wouldn't be doing the sun. Tell me about the sun. I've got a sunburn. Oh, Katie. Really? From what? From the rugby. Stop it! I've literally got- What? On your chest?

A little outline where my halter neck was. Oh, darling. Is it a sore? And I had sun cream on. You've got very sensitive skin. English rose. It's the English rose in you. Quite right. Now, the second destination is Cyprus.

I've never been to Cyprus. So I don't really know what the vibes are. I would like to go because it's somewhere we've never been. Yeah. So I'm thinking that would be lovely. If you were like, right I've booked Cyprus for us. I'd be like, let's go. Yeah, I'd love that. Yeah. The third is one of our favorites. Good old

Barcelona in Spain. In Barcelona. Barcelona. I would go back to Barcelona in Spain. In Barcelona. I would go back to Barcelona in a heartbeat. Would you? I genuinely would. When we went, it baffled me. It sounds really stupid, but how close we were. We literally were on the flight for an hour and a half, hour and a half, five, and then we landed. And because of the time difference, you don't lose that much time. No, you don't.

So it was amazing. I've been to Barcelona twice with Art and then also as a big group. Barcelona is one of. No, you don't. So like, it was amazing to Barcelona twice with art and then also as a big group. Yeah, Barcelona is one of those places that you can go as a big group all with a couple. Yeah, there are quite a few places that I've been that I wouldn't go with friends. Like Venice, I wouldn't. Yeah, 100% would and like Paris, it depends. I would go with Paris with a girly group. Yeah, I wouldn't go with a group of boys and girls. No, that's a bit like, no, yeah, yeah, completely. But with Barcelona, such good vibes. So I would go with the girls. Good vibes in Barcelona. The only thing with Barcelona, I would say is that the beach isn't giving like resort

beach. No, it is city beach. It is a city beach. So if you're happy for like a cocktail by the water, yeah, rather than Sunday on the beach. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you. Yeah. The beach isn't like the main event. No, it's not. Yeah. Barcelona city is more the event. Yes, absolutely. The next one is one of my favorites again is the El Garve in Portugal. I love the Elgarve, the water, the food. I love it. It's really nice. Kinsa do Lago. I love it. I really love the Algarve. I think I've been like three or four times I'd go back in a heartbeat.

Really? 100%. Yeah. I think I would go for a girls trip. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, it's great, isn't it? Yeah, it's really nice. If like I got a group of girls together or even just you and me, I would 100% go to the Algarve.

And there are also some really good like Airbnbs. Yeah, there are. They're like really nice down there. And the Algarve, which is good, it's not extortionally expensive. No, I think it's one of those like, it is what you make it kind of places. Yeah, I agree. Like you can get some really like nice, spenny places or you can get some really nice budget friendly places as well. Agree. Yeah. Love that. And next place is Split in Croatia. I've always wanted to go to Split.

We've had so many people talk to us about Split. Everyone says it's amazing. I really want to go. The only thing for Split is I couldn't see it being a girls holiday destination. No, I think it'd be a big group. It'd be like a mixed group, I think. I could see doing it as the flat. We could go as the flat.

Yeah. Because I could see us having drinks and going out to the club. Yeah. It gives like party vibes. Yeah. Because I could see us having drinks then going out to the club. Yeah, it gives like party vibes. Yeah. But not like beefy vibes. Yeah. Yeah. But although I haven't been, but in my mind, I see it more as a group.

Yeah. Rather than like a two trip. It says it's a girls trip destination. Yeah. It's interesting. The next one, of course, our beefer. Beefer. Our beefer.

Beefer. Beefer Weekender. I've never been to Ibiza. I have never been to Ibiza. Now one of our friends that I know is desperate to go to Ibiza and would even say they'd have their hen in Ibiza. Not my vibe, if I'm honest. I wish I never went to Ibiza or like Magaluf or anything like that when I was like 18. And I feel like now going back, I'm just nervous that it would be filled with 18 year olds. Completely. And also I feel if I'm-

Time is precious. Yeah. If I'm wanting to spend money, and also money's precious. If I'm wanting to spend money on a trip, I'd really want to go somewhere bougie or do something really nice. And also Ibiza isn't cheap. No, it's not. Go somewhere bougie or do some I be saying that I think paying for and also I be through is a cheat No, it's not. This is the thing that I think people get wrong like Xanthi Ibiza. It's not cheap No, it's not and going that it means you're paying a lot of money for accommodation and flights for doing a lot of like Partying. Yeah, don't get me wrong. This is what I loved about Barcelona. We were

Yeah, we had an amazing time. It was great. We also went for bougie dinners. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. Maybe in Ibiza you can go to bougie dinners. I think you probably can. It really is. Again, it's one of those places. It's what you make it. Because I've seen my influencers go to Ibiza all the time and like all the beach clubs and like some of the resorts look insanely expensive. And then also you see people in like, the student hotels. Yeah, completely. So it's like a real mixed bag. But I've never had the allure to go to Ibiza. I think Ibiza is really straight out of uni, girls trip or straight out of school girls, maybe you've 18 finished your exams. Yeah, yeah. I could have 100% seen myself go,

if COVID did get away, I think I would have gone to IB for 18 after my girls trip. But it didn't say. Maybe it's not for me. Maybe. Maybe not. The next one is, you might have to help me with this. Is it Madeira in Portugal?

Madeira, yeah. Madeira in Portugal. Okay. Don't know anything about Madeira. Don't know a single thing. I've heard about it and only because in my old village in the fish and chip shop, they were from Madeira. So they used to have like Madeira calendars and Madeira postcards whilst I was waiting

for my fucking scampi and chips. So I'd be sat like looking at the wall and it looks stunning. Does it? It looks stunning. It looks beautiful. Okay, do you know what? I could put that on there then. Yeah, but it always just reminds me of stunning. It looks beautiful. Okay. Do you know what? I could put that on there then.

Yeah. But it always just reminds me of the fish and chip shop. Yeah. But it looks fantastic. It looks really nice. Yeah. Clear waters. Yes.

Yeah. Next one we've got is Marbella in Spain. Oh. Never been to Marbella, have you? No. I'd love to go to Marbella. I'd love. And actually it feels like it has the vibe for good girl vibes.

Gives good girl vibes. Yeah. 100%. Cocktails, maybe a little beach club. I should have a little beachy cocktail. Me too. My god. And the good thing I like about a girl's trip is if you can kind of have a nice base, but then go for a little boogie, but then you're not feral on like the strip.

Yeah. Because I couldn't stand the strip, that'd be a bit intense. I know that is quite intense. Next one we've got is what we've already mentioned Paris. So that would be fun. Yeah, that'd be that would be fun. I would love to go to Paris with you. Yeah. Oh, we would have so much fun. Yeah. I think with Paris, you need to be willing to spend a lot. Yeah. And it's a city, isn't it? Yes. So I would love to go with you. And I think we'd make the most I think we do a lot of cultural stuff, you know, I think we would I think we would do all the touristy things.

I believe that I would really enjoy it. And also like, go for nice dinners. Yeah, I think is meant to be amazing in Paris. I also think if you do a city trip with someone, you need to be comfortable chatting for a long time. Oh, yeah, if you do a beach trip, you can go with a friend that you don't really need to chat with because you can sit in the sun, sit in town, not really speak, listen to our podcasts, go to the beach. But with a city break, you're doing everything to go. You've got a yap. So that could be good with you. And the last one is Cornwall. Now you've done a girls trip to Cornwall, haven't you? I have done a girls trip to Cornwall. It was lovely. It was gorgeous. You'd recommend?

Would recommend. We stayed in Rock. It was so nice. It was so nice. It was honestly the best time. It was so, so lovely. The food was amazing, the seafood. It was one of those places that feels so like there's such a community that it's like, we'd walk to the fish and chips shop. It was very, very lovely. Like I loved it. Now out of all of these places, let's say we've got full expenses paid, okay? Everything's paid. Maybe you can choose whether we do a resort or if we're in a city, we've got a lovely penthouse, Okay, flights or maybe your rest or everything's paid. Where would you choose to go to for a girls trip?

Meek and Os. Would you? If it was all expenses paid. Oh, Meek and Os. And we go in a nice bougie, all inclusive. Yeah, I'm picking the same, you know. Where I can sit, but we can also explore. Completely. But I'd love to go to Meek and Os. Catch a tan. All right, see you there then.

Yeah, see you there. Be there. I'll be square. Catch you on the then. Yeah. See you there. Be there. I'll be square. Catch you on the fly. Absolutely. Are you ready for our dilemmas? I'm ready for dilemmas. Right. So we've got our debrief dilemmas. Let's hear it.

So the subject for this one is the friend who wants to ruin the perfect girls trip. Okay. Sabotage. Quite right. Hello girls. I'm going to get straight into it as I'm seriously in need of a debrief. I'm in the middle of organizing a girls trip. For six of us. You poor thing.

I'm handling everything as my exams have already finished, but the rest of the girls haven't. So I'm researching locations, costing out flights, hotels, all of that. And I even came up with a suggestion that's basically a dream for anyone who wants to have a fun, affordable getaway. Let me get into it. My granny owns a beautiful house. Here we go in the Algarve, Portugal. And she's been kind enough to offer it to us for our girls trip for free. No hotel fees, just a full house with a pool, bar, five bedrooms and within walking distance to the plaza. Stunning. We're talking perfect vibes for what we want. Sun, cocktails, dinners out, even a little dance the national way.

This sounds fantastic. How is this going to be ruined? This sounds brilliant. The best part, the girls were so grateful and excited when I mentioned it in the group chat. They loved the idea. Four of them even went out of their way to send a thank you card to my grandma for letting us stay there. My granny was very touched by Oh, that's really sweet. Just just bear in mind, four of them. Okay, there are six. Everyone was

on board except for one person. My best friend. No, let's call her Karen. Of course. Yeah. And here's where things get complicated. Yeah. Karen didn't say a word in the group chat about the house. Yeah. Or the idea. No excitement, no gratitude, nothing. Yeah. To be fair, she completely ignored it. I saw she'd read the message as there were two blue ticks on the WhatsApp group, but she didn't say a thing. Then we finally met up to talk about booking flights and planning everything. Karen dropped the bomb saying I don't really want to go to Elgarve. I've been there a ton of times with you already and there's not much to do anyway. Oh, how rude. That's so rude. Yeah, first three things here. Yeah, rude. Second thing,

you organize it. Third thing, I've brought you so many times you ungrateful bitch. Yeah. How dare you like didn't complain about it two years ago. Did you? No. Two years on the trot. That's so silly. Invited my family. Silly. Actually, my mom used to do this when she thought someone was rude. She'd go like tarts and it used to irritate the hell out of my sister. I loved it. She goes, honestly, I was shook. Like we've had so many trips there together. We've done everything from office clubbing, shopping, jet skiing, pool days, spa, dinners, golf, you name it. Her saying that was really rude and in fact it felt like a slap in the face to me and to my family. Because I'd be like, were you not enjoying it then the entire time you were there? Like

we had such a good time. I'd be upset. Quite right when she says it felt like a slap in the face to me and my family, who've always welcomed her. In the moment I said, well, why have you come with me so many times if it's been so boring and inconvenient for you? Yeah, on you. She would just kind of shrugged off and said, Oh, no, I didn't mean it like that. And then just dropped her. Oh, okay. And that's not where it ends. Last weekend, one of the girls told me that Karen had pulled the other girls in the group chat aside and said she thinks it's disrespectful of us to stay at my granny's house without her. What?

Apparently, Karen thinks we're- wait for this- in vertigo, taking advantage of an elderly person and suggested we find somewhere else to stay. Oh my god. I was honestly speechless. I don't even know how to respond to that. It feels like she's trying to ruin everything and I'm so mad about it. It's like she's trying to guilt trip me into changing the whole thing just because she doesn't want to go. Yeah, all the other girls are so excited to go. And they think her behavior is weird and unfair Yeah, especially since we're all 18 just finishing school and have limited funds. So a free house would be amazing Yeah, the house in the Elgav is literally perfect for us

We all get our own room and the fact she's making it into this drama is beyond frustrating. That's crazy So now I'm stuck do I confront Karen about this or do I just disinvite her and let her deal with the fallout? I feel like I'm being put in a really tough spot and I just want to protect the peace and have a good trip with my friends. The rest of the girls are down to the Algarve, but Karen is totally throwing a wrench in everything. What do I do? I just feel like she's going to be bad vibes from start to finish. Partly the first thing sounds horrible. The first thing that came to mind was like, maybe she doesn't like that

you're kind of like the one in charge. And you're kind of getting all the attention. Oh, thanks so much. Oh my god, you're so kind. Thank you so much. That was my first thought that she just doesn't like the fact that the attention is on you. I did think that's it. I think she's jealous that her, I mean, it's rare. It's not common for people to have houses abroad. So you are very fortunate and it's very exciting. But I think she's probably jealous that you have this to offer. So therefore the girls are really grateful. Yeah, I think she's threatened a little bit. But I also think that I'd be like, listen,

we're gonna go but like, you, we're going to go but like, you don't have to. Please actually like, don't feel like you need to come. But if you're going to come, don't complain. Because my issue is, is that I feel like she'll be like, I'll come but then be like a bitch, you know, like really passive comments. Yeah. So I'm like, I would bring it up and be like, listen, we're all going to do this. It makes the most sense, logically, like, cost-wise, we're getting this for free. Unless you want to find us somewhere that's free. That's the most logical thing to do. Imagine if we were like, oh, our friend's got a house in Paris, but we're going to go pay for a hotel. They've offered it to us and they're happy for us to stay there, but we're going to go stay in a hotel. And pay £500. It's so silly, especially when you both all want to stay there. I would say confront her and be like, listen, we're going to go ahead with it. Be firm and be like, we're going

to go ahead with this. You don't have to come, please don't feel pressured to come. But this is what makes the most sense. Maybe we could do something just the two of us. Would you chat to her about her behaviour? I'd be like, where's this coming from? Because you've stayed here before, you know what it's like, it's a nice place, you've enjoyed it, so I don't understand where it's coming from.

Especially if her like, grandparent is offered. So rude. And is so happy for her to stay. Yeah, it's rude as well. It's really weird. I think you need to do as Katie said, I think you need to chat to her. Yeah.

And say, do you know what I would even do is do it. I don't know. I was thinking, get the other girls involved and just sit in a big group. Or would you do one on one? I'd go one on one. Would you? I think it would make it a bigger thing. It's a bigger thing.

Yeah. Okay. Well, have a chat to her and just say, look, the other girls have also noticed your behaviors changed around this. Yeah. to her and just say, Look, the other girls have also noticed your behaviors changed around there. Is there an issue? Because we all want to go ahead with this because it's a lot cheaper for us. And you've been there before, to be honest, I was kind of relying on helping me with showing people where things are, where we need to go where different groceries, I thought you'd know where to, how to do this and be able to help me. The fact that you're not and almost making excuses for it and said that you haven't

had a good time once the times that you've spent that has really upset me. And I think you need to say to her, I really want you to come and I want you to have a good time. But if you do not think that's within your capacity to come and have a good time and be positive, I don't want you to ruin the trip with negativity. Yeah, massively. And I think you also need to make the other girls aware that you've made this thing. Yeah, but I'm going to have a chat with her about it. So I wonder if all the other girls have been like, yeah, she's being a bit fucking weird about it.

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder. Because I think once you have that chat and let's say she does come, then all the girls are in the know and if she starts being bitchy or negative, then they can be like, what's your issue? Yeah, exactly. Come on. That'll mean that she can't be negative or be making comments.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. Good luck, darling. I hope that goes well. Okay, are we ready? Ready for X? X. I've got one.

I've got one. Okay. I'll ping pong you. Okay, ready? Mine is controversial. Type B people on holiday. Okay, tell me. Now, I feel like I'm a bit of a mix between a type A and a type B person. When it comes to holiday, I'm extremely type A. Even if we're on a relaxing holiday, I still need a plan. Because I'm like, if we're going to be on the sun loungers, sure, wake up, we'll have breakfast at this time. Get ready, go down to the beach, whatever. But we probably want to start getting ready for dinner. About like four or five, go out for dinner. I've booked drinks. I've been on holiday with some type B people. Yeah. And you end up doing nothing.

And it's like, what should we do? You spend all the time umming and ahhing. The problem I had with this, with this specific trip. Yeah. Was that I was so type A. I had a full notes app. I think bars, restaurants, places to go, everything I could think of, nightclubs, everything. And it was like, what do you want to do? Oh, we could go here, here, here, here, here. Let me know. I can make a reservation. Do you want to do brunch? I could do that. I've got it all planned out. I don't know. I'm like, I love Taipei people on holiday because they know what's up. They know what's up. And I'm happy to be type A on holiday.

I was talking about this earlier with the friend I was mentioning and saying how that was a nightmare for you. And we were saying like, if you're on holiday, make the most of it. We did nothing. Like enjoy, get up. It was a city break. I said to her, I was like, look, I'm not saying we need to get up at half seven,, get up. It was a city break. I said to her, I was like, Look, I'm not saying we got up at half seven, but get up at nine. Yeah, leave at half nine or course to 10. Go go explore. Yeah, no one needs to be off at six doing nothing. No, you know, but we're saying up at nine. Boom,

let's go. Exactly. Yeah, I completely understand you with that. Come on, do it. Ready? Yeah. Okay. I find it really icky when you're having a conversation with someone and they cannot stop checking their phone. So if I'm chatting to you right now and my phone's here and I'm like, it really irritates me. It's rude. I'm like shut the phone down. Yeah. Or like if I'm chatting and they're giving me nothing. So if I'm like, yeah, and they're just, I'm like, okay, I'll stop that. Like, I'll wait till you're ready. I'll wait till you've stopped. I think it's so rude. I saw this thing on TikTok that I was like, this is so true. They were like, you know, a real friendship when you're sat together and you turn your phones over. Yes. I was like, that is me. If I'm with someone, I'll be like, right, ready? Yeah. Chat to me. Yeah. Tell me

everything. Honestly. I'm not being like, mm-hmm. I'm like, especially if you've all got, right, if it's different if you're sat on the sofa and giggling and watching TV. Yeah. Fine. If you're out for dinner or you're out for drinks, phones away. Yeah.

Honestly, unless you're taking gorgeous photos. Unless you're taking gorgeous photos. Big time. Yeah. Right. Are we ready? I'm. Big time. Yeah. Right. Are we ready? I'm ready.

Questions. Questions. Questions. I'm serious. And I'm serious. Fantastic. My serious question. Ask me.

To you. Yeah. Is, do you think a friendship can recover from a bad girls holiday? No. I agree. I don't think so. I think I've had you come out unchanged, like changed. Because there's two things that can break a female friendship. Living with them one, and two going on holiday with them. Big time. It can complete. By ruin, I mean, it makes you get the ick with them. Also, it makes you see them in a different light that you're like, I actually can't see the way I saw you before. Because I know how

much of a sport brat you are, or I know how dysfunctional you are, or I know how difficult you're like, I think it does. And that's not the debrief, because we like to be positive. But I think any decent person can compromise. So say if I went on holiday with you and you had a real big thing about, I like to be out the villa before nine. That's my big thing. And I thought, right, okay, I usually sleep in a bit, but I'm going to make sure, you know, I would then make sure then I would probably say to you, could we go to bed a little bit earlier so I could, you know, have it, make that compromise, make sure I'm out for, I think any decent person would make a compromise for their friend.

And I think that's where female friendship holidays go awry. People don't compromise. They do what they've done with their parents and other people aren't used to that. So then they're like, what are you doing? We should be at the beach club by now. Yeah. Should be jet skating. And they're like, no, no, we have breakfast at 1.30. Yeah. No. It's one of those things where I'm like, it is.

I'm also like, yes, compromise. But also if you know, you like to get up a bit earlier, take that time for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. It's a pressure cooker. Yeah. So true. Girl's trips, you probably want a bit of time.

I remember on that type B trip I went on, I used to get up and sit in a coffee shop for an hour. Yeah. Because I was like, Oh God, like I'm doing what I want to do right now. So I love as much as I say, I love a Taipei holiday. I love scheduled time where people can do what they like. Yeah, me too. You don't want to be like, we all have to do this. I'm like, if you set out a few things, we're going to go here, here, here and here. Choose your journey. Yeah, choose where you're going to pick and jump in, jump out, but we're going to meet for lunch here. So just, you know, feel the force completely. But it's prescribed fun. Okay. It's organized. We know what we're doing. Big time. Okay. Okay. So my silly question is, would you rather go on the most sensational location holiday?

So let's say you get to go to the Maldives, right? But the Maldives, whilst you're there, the food is shit, okay?, the food is shit. Okay. And the company shit. Okay. Okay. The weather's fine. Yeah. But it's not amazing. The entertainment shit.

The location. Yeah. You're in the Maldives. Yeah. Yeah. That is just a bit underwhelming. Oh, would you rather go on a shit location holiday? Yeah.

I'm not going to put out there what I think one is. Mine's always somewhere cold. Well, there we go then. Yeah. Because I was going to be personal. So somewhere shit cold for you would be Norway. If I went to Norway, yeah. Norway.

But you go with the best group. So therefore that would be me. Yeah. And probably the flat. Yeah. You know, you have the best food. flat. You have the best food. You have the best music. But you're in it. It's raining. It's thunderstorms. It's freezing. It's drizzling. It's slating outside. What would you rather?

Second one. Because I've gone places before, I've been on a trip before to a city I really, really wanted to go to. And I spent the entire time being like, this group that I'm with are just not it. Where I was like, oh god, I just like. I could be enjoying this with other people. I wish I was here with, like I kind of, when I was not on the outs of the group, but I was like a mutual friend. So I wasn't very solidified in there. And I felt like no one really made the opportunity to like get to know me. So it felt very, I felt very isolated. And I was just like, Oh, God. And it made me like, not enjoy myself completely. I would rather go somewhere with a group that I know I fucking love where holiday is anywhere we are together. Yeah, so true. And like, I would love to do like a cozy log cabin thing as long as it was with you guys

and the food was good. Yeah. Good food. Yeah. I think because I think people do focus on location, location, location. And I get that. Yeah. Like there are some sensational locations and destinations you can go. Yeah.

But if you're not with the right people, it can be fucking. It can. I could be in the Maldives but with the wrong person I would want to go home straight away. But you would want to cry. Yeah. Yeah. Completely get you. Honestly. Guys, we've got to the end of the year. I love you all. Have a fantastic week guys. Have a great week. Soak up the sun. And please write in where you're going on your girls trip. Yeah. And if there are any words you've mentioned. Oh my god please. Send us pickeys. And please we'll probably follow up, do another follow up episode on girls trips. Oh my god yes. About what happens during, what happens after. But have a great week guys.

Yeah. And we love you. Love you. Bye. Bye!