The Debrief - Talking 20's ft. Truly Twenties

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

Happy Monday & welcome back to The Debrief!We are super excited for you guys to listen to this weeks episode as we have a very special guest! We were joined by the amazing Elle Wilmot the founder of @trulytwenties_! We discuss the amazing community and safe space she has created for all "twenty-somethings" across all social platforms and get her best advice on relieving the pressures this daunting decade can provide! Don't forget to follow Elle on Instagram and Twitter: @trulytwenties_ Website to keep up with all the latest info: www.trulytwenties.co,ukJoin the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/share/Xmyp87Z8sbv1fERB/?mibextid=K35XfP Have an amazing week guys! Love,Kitty and Katie x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🎵 Hello, girls! It's Monday again. Bloody Monday! I know, we're bloody here! I know! Katie's had a toast this morning! I've had my toast!

I defrosted it in the toaster! She did, yeah! Feeling great! Had a good banana this morning feeling good few nuts yeah yeah absolutely yeah get it all mixing all right actually it's a bit it's been a bit slow in that department the last few days i'm telling you katie i need something to get it churning yeah time will tell but also oh oh i could i Prunes. Prunes. Oh, no, I had an awful experience with prunes.

Went on a DVX. No, I didn't. Lie. Barefaced lying. Liar. Went to battlefields with my school and bought a whole tub of prunes because I thought, healthy bitch, right, here, eat them all. Shat myself on the bus.

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I did. I did. I did. I'm telling you. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. You've got to stay clear from the bloody prunes yeah i don't i guys welcome to monday what an introduction that was wasn't it bloody lovely i know i'm telling you go away from the prunes stay how are you feeling today how are you feeling monday

fresh week fresh week oh i'm ready to get back on it oh yeah in better health fine fetal yeah you're feeling back you're feeling back might step foot back in the gym haven't seen her in a while no it's been a week since i've done me half marathon yeah yeah feeling strong but did a marathon yesterday feeling better than ever in two hours yeah did it two hours one hour yeah come on got this going right we've got such an exciting episode so i think we should just crack on okay um tell me your mantra for this my mantra that's quite simple oh it's simple and sweet love it it's take a breath okay okay something that my teachers keep saying which i keep being like yeah okay like i am and they're like no proper breath and i'm like yeah and it really makes all the difference i'm telling you you will you will take the piss of me for doing my size kitty size

they call it because apparently i go but i'm telling you if i'm feeling stressed or even dehydrated or hung whatever i'll just do like a really big breath and all my stress is gone so i'm loving take a breath disappears take a breath breathing the positive have you felt quite stressed this week not necessarily stressed but it's so funny that when teachers like if we're doing dance and movement and stuff they can see you're holding tension even if i don't feel like i'm personally holding tension like they'll come up to you and be like breathe and i'm like oh okay and it's really really strange but i've just been breathing a lot this week yeah you've just been breathing out yeah she's got her inhaler with her she's having a great time okay so my match this week i visualized my higher self

and start showing up as her i love that yeah i'm not being funny so i just feel like when when i want my friends to think kitty or people like directors or kitty I'm thinking I want no no no last name I'm like Beyonce over here I'm wanting confidence I'm wanting class I'm wanting kindness so if I show up with confidence class maybe not always class but you know and kindness who shit myself on the bus wasn't really classy but you get what I mean um but I just feel it's so important to kind of remind yourself of those qualities because yourself of those qualities because the most those qualities are also things that I appreciate in friendships yes so you're one of the kindest people I know and you're always so welcoming and positive and that's the kind of

energy I want to give to people as well yeah so if I'm kind of thinking come on kit you can do this today then I'll give it out as well I find you channel like different elements of people in your life that you like respect and love so much oh my god so true i find socially i'm like channel a bit of kit oh i know i know oh my god you love me you just want to move yeah okay tell me your uh song for this week sing it to me girl my song it's a bit of a rogue one but it came on like automatic shuffle on oh music okay um hey mumble mumble italiana i was walking up the bridge yeah i was literally like i feel like i'm in a film right now it's a tune and it is an absolute i haven't heard it in ages absolute tune it's such a good one what's your song i'll tell you my song my friend my song is what the Hell, Avril Lavigne. Yeah. Oh, it's just so, it's such a tune.

And I also feel like this, it's a cheeky little hint for the episode. What the Hell, how we feel in our 20s. But also how we're feeling about like day to day. Sometimes I say what the hell. Life in general. Life in general, what the hell. But it's just such a good tune. I had it on in the shower and I was just like.

Yeah. I'm living. Yeah. I was just like yeah yeah i'm living i'm fucking living right now recommendation this week kate and i went to go see salt burn what the fuck what the hell what what the fucking hell what the hell so jacob lordy and what's his name barry keegan keegan keegan let's say barry keegan yeah everyone yeah um wow so what i'm saying just don't bring your mother don't bring your father don't go with your respectives okay because it's sexual it is a bit very and and to the point where i think i'm quite rogue, whereas I genuinely think I'm quite rogue.

You're right, big dog. I genuinely think I'm pretty rogue. But I'm telling you, I was a prude. I sat there, I was shocked. Yeah, you were next to me and you were like... I feel like it's... Yeah. There was a lot going on.

There were some choices. It's a recommendation because it's a psychological thriller. I thought it was the best in a psychological thriller and it's kind of something really unexpected a really i mean the cinematography is gorgeous gorgeous there's a lot set in oxford so there's lovely cinematography in there um and there's a lot going on so i think definitely go have a little watch see what you think lots of twists and turns i'd love to hear what everyone has to say about the film yeah um it's something that you

still think about and that's what the director yeah i want people to be thinking about this for a while and i'm still i still think about it and we saw it last week yeah yeah and i'm like and it's brilliant and i'm like this was just such a good it was brilliant so i that's all recommendation make sure you go see it okay guys so we've got a really really special guest today and we're so excited um we are really excited to welcome our guest l l louise wilmot who is the founder of truly 20s welcome oh my gosh it's so nice to have you here can i just say you guys are amazing i'm just watching you in awe thank you put else out to sit here for the last

five minutes while we chat shit please listen to me with the prunes i'm just laughing it's so nice to have you here we met you when we did a creator mixer didn't we um and we'd followed your account for quite a while yeah so we did have a bit of a fun girl moment like katie nudged me she was like what the fuck else you were on our mood board yeah yeah stop it you were you genuinely were yeah we were so excited we were like right if we have a few aims who do we like to get on the pod oh and well here you are today was this in 2023 2023 we couldn't close but yeah i only had a few more weeks but we're here god i was taking was taking my time. Yeah. I know. So how are you feeling?

How do you feel to be here? Oh, amazing. Yeah. It's been like a busy week, which I'm sure we'll get into, but it's just the best end to the week. And you've done podcasts before, haven't you? Yeah, yeah. A few. Not as many as I'd like to.

Yeah. Yeah, I've done a few. Oh, it's so nice to have you here. Yeah, thank you. So let's crack onto it. Let's crack into it. You were the founder of truly 20s which we've said we followed for such a long time yeah i'm sure you're so proud

of the community that yeah created yeah um so you started truly 20s in 2020 yes what a year yeah i know yeah it was yeah i started in 2020 but it was supposed to be a podcast i say this every time but yeah we went into lockdown and I really wanted to do it in person like this um so I just focused on making the community and I'm yeah I'm really glad I went that way actually because like I've had a retreat this week with 25 girls and like just getting to see the community and like how much people need it yeah yeah I'm glad it went that way but yeah I made it in 2020 just to kind of find my creativity again because I couldn't find a job after uni and then it's kind of just taken a whole twist and turn of

its own I don't know if that's a saying okay but um yeah now possibly gonna do it full-time at some point my gosh that's amazing yeah and I know you wanted to ask Elle um about Truly 20s yeah so for the listeners if you can explain what truly 20s is what you've done over the past three years the community that you've created yeah well it's a safe space for people in their 20s it started with very different beginnings like i just wanted to make relatable fun content and it is still that but as soon as i made the facebook groups i realized how many people were feeling lonely and kind of just wanted to end the stigma around being lonely in your 20s because people just think it's like oh you've just never had a girl group or it's not always that some people haven't found their girl

group for no reason like no fault of their own but some people just move into new cities yeah just need a new group and also like people's chapters are very different now yeah some of my friends I don't see that much I'm very lucky i've always had like a big group of girls but they're all moving on to different chapters now so actually i'm starting to feel a little bit lonely so i need my group now more than ever because a lot of people having babies people moving in with their boyfriends and it's like slowly and slowly you just start losing that yes like not friendship but the time you get to spend your friends so yeah i just realized now my aim is I want to make a dent within the loneliness epidemic because I think it's becoming a big issue for our age range I think when you think of a lonely person

you think of like someone elderly yeah and it's just not the case like yeah our age is I think some stats show that our age between 18 to 25 is the most lonely interesting it does vary and I'm wanting to do a proper deep dive on it one day but it's definitely one of the biggest um areas of concern and I also think that Covid was a huge fallback on that as well yeah and I mean we'll get into it in a second but um when we moved to London uh we were really lucky that we were in a big halls so that's where I met Katie that's where I met my boyfriend which is now my community yeah my community in London are those people that I met during that time however um I had friends who moved to London for uni and were in a dorm on their own everything was on uh line and I remember

one of my friends just saying to me London is awful and they said I am so lonely I've never been so lonely in my life yeah and and for you to be able to create a space for that where it's normalized because I think she came to me really scared yeah thinking am I the only one yeah um and have you found a lot of people who come to you with those similar feelings yeah wow a lot of people come in the retreat a lot of people who come to you with those similar feelings yeah wow a lot of people come in the retreat a lot of people came because they wanted to make new friends some people haven't had the university experience because that's what they didn't choose and feel like have they made a mistake with that I don't personally think so like it shouldn't it shouldn't be a situation where just

because you didn't go to uni you don't have you don't have friends it should be easier to make connections but it's not I do think covid hasn't helped as well because i think friendships start to dwindle sometimes it just yeah whether they weren't true friends or if it just just the space and time it's hard to connect yeah yeah um so people are kind of having to start again um so yeah a lot of people are struggling and a lot of people are beating themselves up about it and just making like thinking that they've done something wrong the female friendships is a massive trend on tiktok at the minute like yeah i mean have you seen that sound like i've got my girls yeah it's a racial green like from friends yeah yeah and it's like some people i haven't got my i haven't got that and then i see some of the comments sometimes being

like i'm always wary of people that have never had their girls though oh come on that's so hard you can't stereotype everyone like that just yeah you can't you can't if you did that then some people just could be alone forever yeah and also I think it's really hard to if you haven't had that for a long time then it's really hard to trust yeah it must be exactly you know and and I know a few girls where they mainly have male friends and they feel more comfortable in a male environment and that's okay yeah but also you can't be judged for that no you can't then isolate them if they feel that way yeah no it's so true and yeah everyone that came to the retreat this week was just the most lovely group of girls ever like the um the people i did the retreat with have done quite a few retreats and they kept pulling me aside and being like

we've never had such a polite lovely and supportive group of girls come together they've normally have like elderly not elderly like like yeah 30s 40s 50s like elder yeah and they're like this is just something we've not witnessed before wow yeah so just so supportive and I think it's needed yeah yeah I mean and it's great it's completely amazing that you've created an online community for people to all talk about this yeah and now to create events for it as well yeah where people can now connect and see each other yeah um it goes on to our next thing that i'm really interested to talk to you about and it's about why you set up what you did

okay um casey and i have our reasons for setting up the debrief why we did it and um venturing back to the covid days we moved to london and when we first moved there we were at drama school together and bloody hell we navigated it just on our own yeah we found it so um kind of isolating scary we had no again older people to turn to and say how did you navigate the stage yeah i was 18 you were 19 so it were babies um very overwhelming and we said to each other we want to set up something where we can talk and girls can be like oh my gosh you're going through the same thing as i am yeah you know i'm not on my own yeah um and and we started to learn more together that it wasn't just covid it was actually more people

out there that felt this way yeah um that had come way before the pandemic. And I'm really interested to know that why you're influencing a lot of people. You're on TikTok, Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, and over those different platforms, you have 341,000 followers. That is a lot of people. We were absolutely blown away by your following and the amount of people that you influence and help yeah um and I want to know the reason why you felt you had to

share content and create a community and a safe place for these people yeah um because you're influencing a hell of a lot yeah I think I remember when I came I had a great three years at uni okay don't get me wrong the first year I didn't enjoy nearly I nearly left oh interesting I left the three years like with friends I'm still friends with a group of 10 which is really oh wow a big group of girls oh um but when I left I wanted to stay in Leeds I went to University of Leeds I couldn't find a job and it was getting close to the point where I was like I'm narrowing myself down to staying in Leeds I might as well just look anywhere so I left the house that the girls were gonna stay in I was like I'm just gonna move home I'd love to stay but I can't find a job and like I need to broaden the search okay so I moved back home which was never part of the plan but like I didn't mind as much yeah but moving

back home I wasn't even getting responses of rejection you know you don't even wow yeah they don't they say unfortunately a lot of people have applied yeah but like some just don't even getting responses of rejection you know you don't even wow yeah they don't they say unfortunately a lot of people have applied yeah but like some just don't even send that wow and I'm just like just spent a few hours on that but yeah yeah I was in my life and no response but um I was getting none of that I was in theater so I was starting to realize it's very much like who you know um and I was just starting I don't know I just felt this I started to spiral okay and I was like I'm getting no responses I started to work out like a timeline I was like right I'm not going to get a job in the next three months because it's going

to take me two weeks to even hear back yeah probably two weeks for an interview yeah if I don't get it and then I'm gonna start again and I started working out like I'm only going to get to where I want to be on like an entry- entry-level salary at, like, 26 at this rate. And I was just like, it's going to take me a year in one job, and then I'll have to try and move at this. And I was starting to spiral, and I couldn't find... Yeah, big, yeah, panic. Big panic, yes, yeah.

And then I remember sitting in my room, like, oh, is this what the rest of my life's going to be like? Wow. Not, like, getting rejections, but, like, just working, stressing, responsibilities, like, I'm not going out. I'm not going to get to go out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday ever again. Um, and I just like dwelled on me and I was like, Whoa, this is it. Like my, I think I've peaked, like my peak years are over. That's how I felt. Okay. Um, how old were you at the time? Can I ask? Um, 21, I just left just 2021 i just left uni okay um and yeah i just felt like like all my friends

felt the same and then i was going to make the podcast um and i'd interviewed for bbc radio okay and i got down to the final five and i just loved it so much because i'd not had any creative um like juices flowing i was like right i'm gonna carry on with this but then lockdown hit so we just carried on yeah with the community yeah so I just um that's the reason I made it just that spiraling feeling and I knew everyone felt the same okay but like I said it started just to be like just to talk about that it never I never thought it would be like events and like retreats and like all the other places it could go I just thought it would be like a page like to support a podcast and the podcast that was never

made wow that's amazing and did you feel at the time that this was going to be something that you were going to continue with throughout a career or was it something to settle your mind at the time I think also the other side of it was I always wanted something of my own okay I always grew up watching like The Apprentice and Dragon's Den and I knew I wanted to own a business okay i came up with loads of ideas and then never like followed through with them but this one at the time i don't think i knew it was going to be forever okay but i knew i always wanted a successful business so as much as like this is for the community and giving back i also really want

a successful business as well yeah and it's something i've always wanted um and if this isn't the successful business i don't know what because I've put it's like my baby yeah it's my baby at this point I've got no other ideas for anything else yeah so um yeah I think that was um I didn't see it going like lasting forever I guess at the time I think once TikTok started blowing up I was like oh maybe this could be something that lasts forever and it's so interesting that you say the baby thing because we refer to it all the time that it is our baby yeah and when you put so much into it and and there's so much behind the scenes people think oh Elle's just posted a clip oh my gosh no I have organized the time slot in which I have to do that also the content that I'm going to create

if you drop the ball then like the hype's gone and but obviously it's not the hardest job i'm just saying it is just like you it's you only you can do it completely yeah and if you don't have that love for it if you don't have the passion yeah why are you doing it because it's not gonna we spoke earlier just before al arrived and we said to each other the the greatest content the greatest podcast yeah the greatest influencers are the ones that love what they're talking about yeah yeah um whether it is nonsense or whether it is thought provoking or you know anything it is if you're thinking this is bloody brilliant and you believe in yourself yeah um it's it's going far how did you feel when you turned 20 because we had i would say we had different experiences because i was i was very underwhelmed when I turned 20. Yeah.

And I also didn't see further into being like, this is the second. Actually, is this the third decade of my life? Yeah. Yeah. Grandma. Mental math on my own. Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh.

But I remember being really underwhelmed. The only thing I was excited about was like my 21st. Yeah. That's a year away. it felt like how 19 felt yeah yeah um kind of almost like a transitional year um but you had quite a different experience didn't you i was terrified i was absolutely terrified because i loved being 19 18 19 oh my god you know hot shit i met you when i was 18 i met my boyfriend like great group of friends moved to London left my boarding school oh my god living me best life didn't have to do a levels you know it was like a year of chaos but of like absolute fun and yeah um 20 was terrified I thought oh my gosh I'm an

adult now here comes responsibility so does this mean I pay for things like yeah is mum and dad still gonna help me you know there was a lot of a lot of unknown yeah um I wasn't exactly excited to turn 20 I thought this is gonna sound really bloody annoying old I felt oh my gosh I'm not a child anymore yeah because 19 you know I'm thinking I'm still a teenager 20 yeah here it comes yeah um how did you feel did those thoughts sit with you as well or were you different i'm just trying to think back i i don't remember any panic like oh interesting which is crazy i think i guess i i'm august 31st so i'm like at the end of the school year okay yes i i was i so i'm thinking if i've got my maths right 20 i was that it's so underwhelming I don't even remember but um I think I'd left uni and I was looking for a job at this point and I was 20 was I no that's wrong

I think I was 21 when I left uni but either way it was just underwhelming for me like I didn't panic about it okay for me I didn't feel like whoa of the 20s or the adult adulting until I'd left uni and I couldn't find a job and then this spiraling like because August I was still like having fun it was summer for me like September October even though we're not in school years anymore yeah I was like okay I've got to get a job and then it was just as time went on that I started to realize the responsibilities but yeah 20 I was fine 25 on the other hand no oh interesting how did you feel at 25 then I honestly thought this quarter life crisis stuff was like a load of bollocks yeah yeah you can swear a load of bullshit but it wasn't

I well I guess I expected it coming because I was the youngest and a few of my friends had already been 25 so they'd already had the quarter life crisis yeah I was like no I'll be fine and then literally two months before I don't know I just started to deep everything we did a quarter-life crisis workshop on the retreat and everyone was speaking about like what it was for them and mine was just questioning everything about myself like do I want to be in London like who am I hanging around with like wow what's my purpose like like I don't know just like where do I want to be like every single thing okay I was questioning um and I've not got the answer yet I'm still kind of in the corner I'm just not really panicking about it anymore but I'm still like that's so interesting yeah everything just questioning

like any little thing I was like am I doing it right is this what I actually want and yeah just it was it was horrible and where and where did that come from did you feel it was um you know the questioning maybe friendships and yourself was that a lot of pressure from your own internal monologue i mean our biggest demon is our internal monologue yeah yeah um was that what you found was your biggest competitor or was it maybe the people around you that were making you feel that way no i think um it was more like comparisons and stuff okay that was making me like did I want to live at home like with my home friends because I was I was like questioning am I spending enough time with them like they're my like longest like

friends and they're they're all they're all in relationships if I moved home I'd be like the only one and then it was like yeah just in London like do I want to live like in London do I want to live do I want to go to a rural life you know all that stuff you question for me I've made it a lot harder to be in my 20s because I've made a whole brand around it yeah like for me it was like oh I'm halfway now like you need to speed up like you've got you've got five years left although I don't like obviously there's always gonna be people in their 20s but for me i'm like oh as much as i don't i'm not scared about turning 30 i think it was okay all my friends are in relationships um i'm not in one when will i be in one i'm getting closer to 30 even though i

shouldn't care about it yeah and then um yeah it's just things like that comparison is the biggest killer yeah completely and you know we talk of it so much because you all have different strengths. Yeah. And you all have different ways of being a star. Yeah. You know, but that doesn't define whether you're in a relationship or whether you're making more money. No.

But it's really hard. Yeah. It's a real killer because you do see your friends and you know oh well they're they're making this amount of money or yeah should i be oh shit they've bought a house yeah like oh my god all of that's starting to happen now it's this age yes it's that age but i was speaking about it at the workshop and i said i've never been someone luckily like that uses social media or compares my like how my body image or anything like that good i do compare lifestyles though so i'm like okay you're at this point why am i not at this point oh you look like you're making this

much money why am i not making that much money and then but at the workshop what was interesting is two of the girls said back to me that was really interesting to hear me say that because they compared themselves to me and they were like we didn't do anything in lockdown and we just sat and did nothing in lockdown and you've made this and I was like it made me realize I want to be a bit more real on my Instagram because this is like very much still in the works and it's very stressful and like it's not it's not making me money like it's not there's nothing crazy yet but it's like made me realize okay if they're comparing themselves to me other people are comparing themselves to them yes and I'm comparing myself to someone and everyone's just doing it like anyone you look up to is like comparing themselves because everyone's feeling that way everyone's on their

own journey aren't they yeah and and it can sometimes be complete day-to-day yeah um flip flap of flip flop you know i feel this way i feel that way um but i always i mean it's why we do the mantras yeah um we do it we've done it for years ever since we met each other yeah um we have our downs we say to each other you know well i've had such a bad image day or you know oh my god like i'm just feeling so emotional and we're like what do you want to feel right now okay yeah without being a twat what do you want to feel in case like you know what i just don't want to feel emotional i just want you know or whatever and and we've done it and we do it daily to each other we do it to our friends that are around and yes i'm sure it can be highly

patronizing at some point but we do personally feel the benefits of it i feel like it just settles your mind in the best way because i completely get you in terms of especially online when you're seeing so much online which obviously is like a highlight reel and gorgeous which you have to tell yourself but i mean the amount of times i've come to you there are people like people i know don't know as well anymore getting in relationships someone from school i know getting engaged they bought a house and i'm like oh my god yeah i had mac and cheese for dinner yeah nothing wrong with mac and cheese nothing wrong yes i'm like oh god and it is just it gets a bit stressful because once you start thinking it on like especially at night oh yeah yeah yeah literally so easily done yeah i think as well

there's so much this is generalized i'm queen of generalization by the way so you know always say yeah and with women i think there's such a pressure of comparison i'm sure there is with men as well because we are so different in our um ways as we are men are from mars women are from venus so we definitely have different things as well and not one is more harder than the other however there's a lot to consider yeah whether you do want kids um whether that's going to be in your 20s and then if it's in your 20s does that mean you're limiting yourself does that mean you then don't have a career because you're looking after the kid do I have enough money to then have a nanny but then if I'm yeah so much there's so much to kind of derail yeah um and fascinating that you

said 25 was your moment yeah um because I'm 21 um you're 22 um so we're kind of at our start of our 20s yeah and really interesting to hear from we've got quite close friends that are 27 28 29 yeah and what they say and they're like fuck I can't wait to turn 30 you know or like 30 is apparently the new 20 30 is apparently the new 20 you know less precious yeah but I'm even you guys saying like your ages even on the retreat people were like I'm getting to a point where I'm normally always the oldest one and that's like scary to me because I'm not normally but I feel like I'm 21 yeah when I'm like oh I'm 25 how old are you 20 21 I'm like oh wow I used to be that age

I'm like I don't know it's just bizarre there's such a pressure to have your kind of little group yeah and that little group is you're all the same age and you're all doing the same thing but oh my god we've got friends one of my friends are just than 30 and we're at such different points in our life however if you've got that friendship then that's great yeah exactly one of my friends has had um a baby he'll be turning one literally this weekend um and like we don't see each other anywhere near as much but like obviously because she's a mom now but does not change any of the friendship yeah um but when i talk about the group i mean like as more more people have babies and stuff we will still always have the strongest connection i'm very

much a believer of like i can i cannot see you in like months and we will still have completely yeah but because i can't see you as much i'm gonna have to fill that time like because i don't have any i don't have a kid or i don't have a boyfriend to fill that time so that's where i think the group's like really valuable yeah um but yeah no i've got i've got my friends having um had a baby and it's been it's been the best though to see like her growing to a mom because like just learning and we're learning through her like for whenever or if we want kids that happened yeah yeah it's wild yeah we were really interested because we all have something in common and that's like an interest in theater um katie does musical theater i do acting and you did theater and performance at the university of leeds yes um and i'm so

interested because you have found from that time in your life, from graduating, you found your passion and your interest. Yeah. And you spoke earlier as to why you are where you are right now. Yeah. But how did you navigate your way through studying theatre to then founding your own online community? Yeah. And now creating events and having 340,000 followers yeah where did that come from did you know that that's something you wanted to do

from when you were at university yeah I think so I was I knew at university when I did theater at GCSE okay and it's the only thing I enjoyed yeah i knew i was never going to go into theater like i can't do accents i'm not great like i'm okay i was okay and like i was a good performer because i could dance i could sing okay i used to be able to sing until i damaged my throat now i can't sing i had notes for a bit oh my gosh oh my gosh and now if ever i have a drink it goes very low so so that was where you can do different voices then can't you exactly you could do like an act of a man and a woman yeah literally but I'd lose a high pitch bit so no you'd need a week between those okay but um no I knew I was like okay I was not like

and I feel like you have to be quite real with yourself in acting like it's a very hard industry yeah I wasn't willing to kind of put myself through it because I knew I was okay like yeah and I was fine but I loved it and there was nothing else I would have done and I would still go back and do the same course and even though I've not used it I would still go and do that course like I think I think it taught me so much more than just the degree and I know it's like a lot of student debt but I met all my friends there but yeah I just knew I wasn't gonna do acting and if I wanted to do anything else it would have been directing but that was very much a who you know and I think it's very much a who you know kind of industry in general

sometimes but that one especially and like runner roles are very hard and they're very in London you can't really live on them sometimes so I don't know I think I kind of sat back and I thought what am I going to do maybe I can get to the directing at some point yeah but um also part of me is I've always wanted to make money yeah it's big like I don't know why I've always had like this hustle drive to like I'm to make money like yeah and I said this on my LinkedIn recently I feel like people that make podcasts on like businesses are always taught to like um you've got to be make don't make it for money or you're doing it for the wrong reasons you're allowed to want to make money like um I've always wanted to have a successful business um and I'm just lucky that it brings a lot of value to

people my age as well yeah and it's like two in one yeah I always had that drive and I mean acting and it's quite a hard industry to make a lot of completely it's kind of ironic because I was like I don't want that the the life of the being in the industry where you don't get paid some months and other months you do but it's the exact situation I'm in now because it's very much reliant on other people it's not like a stable job um so yeah ironically I've ended up doing a similar thing and it's not yet where I see it to be, but hopefully one day it'll be where I want it. And you're still doing something creative. Yeah.

You know, you're still in that creative industry. Yeah. What advice would you give to uni students that are kind of coming out of uni that potentially are not going to do what their degree is, but something within the same industry? How do you find what you want to do? Are we talking creative?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Easy answer for me. I think, well, doesn't matter if with your degree at all um I always say that like asking is this about creative because I always go it doesn't matter about your degree it does if you want to be a doctor and stuff yeah with creative roles it really doesn't I got so I worked at a nuclear research center when I left uni that's how a little creative it was it wasn't creative at all but it was a the only role I could land it was marketing okay and I was

um as much as everyone was really lovely I always say this because I'm like what if they ever watch this and never find it but it wasn't me I'm sorry it wasn't me and I wasn't enjoying it um and I just needed to get into something more creative okay what I did was I used LinkedIn and I wasn't enjoying it um and I just needed to get into something more creative okay what I did was I used LinkedIn and I think LinkedIn is the best it's phenomenal it's changed my life I I thought to myself I wrote down five places my dream places I'd want to be and I can't remember them all but TikTok was one at the time um YouTube's always been one okay I can't remember the other ones I think BBC Radio was one at the time because I wanted to be a radio host.

And I was like, how am I going to stand out? So for TikTok, I made a whole CV on TikTok. So nine videos about why they should hire me. Now I don't think that's so original, but like back at the time, I've not seen anyone do it, but I thought someone must have done it. No one had done it.

And I sent it to the top people at TikTok on LinkedIn. not seen anyone do it yeah but I thought someone must have done it no one had done it wow and I sent it to the top people at TikTok on LinkedIn yeah one person responded like with loads of criticism and then and then I was like oh I felt really defeated but I just kept going and then um Neil Borman who's like head of creative lab no longer creative lab doesn't exist anymore at TikTok but at the time like third person in the UK wow something to join TikTok responded to me and was like just gassing me up like this is something I've never seen anything like this and then he tried to get me into two full-time positions but like I didn't have that um I didn't have the experience yeah and then the graduate scheme came up and I just

knew I was going to get onto it because I'd been trying so long yeah I think they were annoyed at me at that point yeah we've got to let this go yeah um so I got onto the first ever TikTok graduate program that way wow so I think if you can do anything stand up whether it's like a creative CV if you can like I'm always impressed by I think someone once I can't remember the brand but paid to take over the SEO um ad that searched so say it was like somewhere like boots or something they paid to have the first ad so that their cv was there when anyone typed in boot so then it was like instant people were like yeah if that's the kind of role you're going for oh i see very clever they just shows your skills in like a creative way it wasn't boots by the way i'm just trying to give an example but if not i think if you can't think of anything just

posting on LinkedIn and making a personal brand for yourself like okay we'll get you miles ahead like I got made redundant earlier this year and I wasn't worried at all because I was on LinkedIn like and I knew that interesting I knew that my post would get me something like I wouldn't have nothing yeah someone would reach out something would even it wasn't necessarily something I knew I wouldn't be without a job yeah and that was only because i even though i was at like my dream job i was posting still in case i ever wasn't there oh really i thought i wouldn't be i never thought that would happen but just to have your own back yeah and i was just really happy that i'd continue to do that and that's my biggest advice would be getting on linkedin okay it's still it seems like

it's saturated now but it's not like no i think it's something like really silly like and tiny the amount of people that actually post yeah so many people on it but not that many people post it looks like it completely and i've literally only recently just got on linkedin so i spoke to my housemate um we're both in very different industries yeah and we were talking about like jobs and how it's also different and he said like just get yourself on linkedin and for me as a creative i thought nah linkedin's for like doctors you know all that kind of stuff like that's not me and he just said no like i i see so many creators so i thought oh sure yeah put myself on there and it's so interesting how many experiences these last few weeks yeah have come to me yeah you know um just through liking something or commenting something or searching a few things up um so I think the advice of LinkedIn's really

really great yeah and to not I think with LinkedIn don't expect something straight away like this connection I made with Neil Borman was like obviously he tried to get me those two full roles I didn't get them it was like a year and a half in but like wow okay like it was a lot of things on LinkedIn for me it's like they come around full circle like I did a bit of an internship at uni and then they wanted to sponsor a truly 20s event three years later and it's like oh my gosh you just got it yeah yeah it's wild so I think yeah I think LinkedIn just making it your own and sending the connection requests like okay um i've been really scared to do that and then recently for truly 20s i've been sending loads of like connection requests and messages what do you think about messaging on linkedin always send a note when

you're sending a connection request because people get thousands send a note what you mean so when you connect with someone on linkedin sometimes it just sends a connection request so and it comes with nothing but you can like make sure you send a note with it so it'll come up with like a new connection request and they'll send a little message you only get so many characters but like just briefly saying like why i want to connect with you or like something you've done that interests me yeah okay yeah or like if you've got something that's valuable for them putting it in that first sentence and then they'll definitely respond and you find that that gets more connections 100 people get hundreds i get hundreds of connection requests a day if people don't send a message i'm not unless it's like

someone with the radar that i really like need to like get in like connect with okay i'm not like there's just i don't even filter through them like sometimes because there's just so many yeah oh my gosh that's not just like it's not just me no most people get so many a day okay yeah so that's great advice just stand out yeah your creatives you know how to stand out yeah yeah exactly so on truly 20s you have anonymous confessions yes that you do um so people often write in concerns about relationships friendships job hunting um income and what you say you refer to as the panic years yeah so what are the most common or recurring things that people often message in about yeah what is your biggest advice

um i think relationships is the most common but yeah to the point i had to make another facebook group just for relationships because it was winding some people up that the people were posting so much about it oh my gosh kind of like people feeling guilty that they might still like someone else if they're in relationships like but i i think people beat themselves off about like having emotions but like that's just an emotion unfortunately yeah it's so human and you feel really guilty about it but it's just about how you handle it and um but a lot of people you can tell they're like writing because they feel so guilty and they they can't tell anyone else so that's why i love that it's anonymous but it's nice because sometimes people in the

comment section give them a bit of advice but i'm i'm the least i can't give advice about relationships i'm not great at them myself but yeah i especially with the people that are like wanting to break up and they haven't got the courage like i'm the exact same like i always wait to be dumped i can't do it like when relationships are over like a year before they're actually like you know yes yeah i hear that so much we've spoken about that a lot yeah but like you don't trust your gut feeling i'm so guilty of that but i get a lot of messages about that yeah it's hard because I you overthink so much I think I'm such an overthinker so I probably when I next get in a relationship will probably be like is this the right thing yeah yeah you know I'm doing that right now but yeah it's also scary yeah it's such a vulnerable thing it is yeah so it's honestly terrifying I think

relationship pressures I definitely feel yeah so much now and i'm 22 but in terms of online dating stuff like that the turnover is just so it's not as personal anymore yeah and i think there's such a pressure you feel when you see people in relationships and you're kind of like oh god especially we were saying in winter cuffing season yeah everyone's getting in relationships you're like oh god i just don't think there's any left no no i see this all the time honestly they're gone they're gone they're gone they've honestly literally they've all disappeared you need to go into a lab and just kind of ask them can you do something for me yeah do you know what i i don't know if i find it quite reassuring actually that

people talk about relationships because i think relationships have been there since since the earth was here yeah you know yeah whereas income hasn't or um you know job hunting hasn't yeah um so I think that relationships I I find quite reassuring because um although you know I absolutely love my boyfriend I I don't doubt our relationship but friendships is a massive part of my life yeah and recently you know all about this but I've had a bit of a friendship rejig yeah um and it's really interesting when you kind of sit back and reflect and think okay you're not going to be a part of my life anymore yeah right yeah okay it is it is really hard um my boyfriend has two two sisters and we all kind of talk a lot about relationships and you know who's gonna get married or who's gonna have kids

and all that kind of thing and they're older than him he's the youngest um and it's so interesting that you do feel pressure even with siblings yeah you know oh god they're in a relationship should i be in a relationship yeah and even recently my sister is a queen of relationships you know i don't think she's ever been single since she was about 13 and she's now single for the first time she's shutting herself yeah whereas now i'm in a relationship which is a complete rejig yeah and she's just like wow it's really interesting now i'm experiencing a new light but also then there's pressure because my friends and my new light. But also then there's pressure because my friends and my family love my boyfriend.

So then she's all, I want someone to love my boyfriend. No, all of this kind of thing. But I think the advice that I would give for these girls in relationships is that friendships is a huge part of life. And that I think sometimes that a relationship is a friendship

yeah and if you can build friendships that is the most important thing yeah you know there's no rush to find a sexual or romantic partner there is not yeah you know because everyone finds someone and you prioritize like friendships completely completely I'm lucky my mom's always told me friends first friends first yeah so when i have had relationships i've had two long-term ones but i think i've been hopefully my friends would say this as well i think i've been really good at dividing my time and yes like putting my friends first still and like wanting to actually hang out with my friends yeah i've got a partner um so yeah i think finding female friends like all just friends but i think female friendships

are powerful like yes if you can find them I know it's hard for some people but like that should be priority yeah completely I completely agree um with you saying oh I feel find it a bit stressful and it's like the relationship talk all that kind of thing yeah how do you deal with that because you have a lot of following yeah so you will have to answer to them I think I've definitely I've got advice when it comes to like experiences that I've been through but normally I hand it out to like the community if not because I mean with my page I'm not trying to like be the all-knowing 20 something like I'm working the bloody oracle yeah I know everything I know everything about me yeah I might just when I go through stuff the page kind of goes through it

with like that at some point when I'm not in my 20, someone else will like probably take over it for me or something. But like, that's why I speak on the quarter of crisis because I'm going through it. My page like blew up when I was going through a breakup because so many people could relate to me and I had stuff to say. But I feel so far gone from like the breakup. Like it was so many years ago. I don't know if I would be able to talk on it the same because at the time you you think that your life's ending and now you look back you're like so dramatic but like so it's hard to relate to like people like that because you just want to shake them and be like do not go back but yeah I went back so many times yeah yeah you're like past

yeah exactly I think yeah just always just like being kind to yourself my biggest advice though is like if you can listen to your gut and sometimes your gut's telling you and it takes you a few weeks but listen to your gut and set yourself a timeline i always say like oh like okay because your brain's always like oh yeah but it might have just been a bad week let's stay together or yeah or like with a friendship like yeah maybe she's just not being that nice on the vibe yeah but just give yourself a point and if you're still feeling like shit hanging around with them boyfriend or friendship yeah at some point give yourself a date set it in your calendar and when the alarm goes off you'll be like that was the date do i feel any different yeah wow but that's when you've

got to be brave and i've never done it and gone okay no i still hate it yeah let's end it i'm not been brave enough to do that because i'm too scared that like if they'll get upset and stuff but no next time i'm gonna i'm gonna do that wow okay it's terrifying having those conversations and actively putting yourself first yeah i find because i'm very similar to you in the sense that like i would be like well this would probably make them feel really shit right now so do you know what i'll just not say anything yeah and i've done that so many times with friends with boyfriends and it's just and you end up feeling like shit but you're like well i can deal with it yeah and it's always i've recently been in a position where i was like i'm gonna actively put myself first and it was terrifying yeah i genuinely was quivering in me little boots you know what you've actually had such a journey

these past years i was shaking like 2023 for katie's been a fucker like it's been huge she has like overcome so much like no seriously i've seen you grow as like a like genuinely though like when i first met you a few years ago she was shivering right but but you you definitely would not back yourself you'd be like oh and there was someone that that did walk over you and we've spoken about this a lot but now i've seen katie a lot of times just be like no yeah and i was do you know what terrifying hats off to you my love because what growth it is honestly because i am just a conditioned people pleaser i remember

i used to work like i used to work in retail someone would complain i might have a free pair of leggings i'm like you're just having a bad day it's fine just have a free pair of leggings so it's just one of those things where you're like putting yourself it was just so i literally genuinely was nearly sick from the anxiety yeah i was just like this is terrifying yeah but ultimately now i look back and i'm like that was the best decision i could make yeah but even then thinking about it i'm like oh that was awful did you say you're 22 yeah well i feel like that's amazing that you've already done that at 22 i feel like i'm only just discovering that in like 24 25 so that's so good that like at 22 you're already putting like boundaries in place it's just i always do like go back to how friends they were all 25 at the start

i'm like come on i'm like, come on. I'm like, you know, this is just kind of the trial period. This is the pilot. My confession at a 20 something year old is I've never watched Friends. Oh, Elle. Oh my God.

Maybe I should start. You absolutely should. I think it would be quite inspirational for my content. Yeah, it would. And so much to bring to life. Yeah. I should talk about that. Yeah.

Because it's so funny, like even the books you read, and this much to bring to light yeah i should talk about that yeah because it's so funny like even the books you read and this again goes back to relationships humanity has not changed you know this is going to sound right snooty but love shakespeare with my acting yeah and i go back all the time with like my acting coach and when i'm doing auditions and go through characters and situations humanity has not changed that it will never change the relationships jealousy um lust um betrayal all these things have happened for years yeah so the fact that people find relationships the most difficult thing of course you fucking would yeah yeah you know yeah and so it's so it's truly the the biggest thing to overcome relationships yeah but going back to

friends and all these things you all these situations you can relate to yeah you think oh yeah i've been there oh yeah katie went through that or you know that's what i thought with dolly alderton's everything i know about love book oh i need to read that is it really good page i was like i need to meet dolly because yeah this is me really it's so good yeah so good but yeah maybe i'll watch friends yeah yeah we'll text you in a few weeks have you done your homework yeah come on you have organized a lot of ways to communicate with people you know you've got your newsletter you have a great spotify playlist um you have your events

that we'll go on to talk about you've just come back from a bath retreat yeah i was also doing a iceland retreat that's coming up um you support a lot of people um as we've talked about online communities even your friends where do you get support from oh yeah um that's a good question i think i usually say my friends and they're always gonna be there for me when i started truly 20s they were the people posting into the facebook group pretending they didn't know me to get it going oh i love always can go to my friends but like more recently like my mom and dad constantly um my mom and dad aren't together but like i go to them for very different things my dad's basically like my accountant because that's his job but like I go to him about like anything career related we we speak more via linkedin than

we do any other platform and then my mum's just like the one I go to like any sort of panic I'm like mum what do I do please help me help me but yeah they're always there for me um I'm very privileged in the fact that I can I know that if anything went really wrong i could fall back on my mom and dad even at this age like if this is the thing my parents always known have been creative and they know that they that i'm passionate about this and the risk of it is i could have no money and like nowhere to live but like i'm really lucky that i've got those two and i can just jump between their houses yeah that's so nice but yeah they are my support system that's so lovely you're so are my support system that's so lovely you're so close to your family yeah yeah and like this year's been like tough like in like believing

in myself and it's been like full-on like some really like big tantrums not tantrums like breakdowns or yeah yeah to the point where i'm like i can't do it i can't do it and then my dad's called me the wrong time i've just been like blowing my eyes out but he's just like been amazing my mom's been amazing and they just is if i ring one of them crying like like because they'll catch me off guard yeah all of a sudden i'll get a call from my nana how are you doing am i oh his dad spoke to you no no no oh i think he has yeah they're all amazing that that's so nice that you've got your own community you've got your own community yeah because you've got your truly 20s community but but you do need your own people yeah and you know we experience it with with the industry we're all in um with content

creating communities musical theater acting we need to know what a rejection is and we need to be able to bounce back yeah if you cannot take a rejection what the bloody hell are you doing oh yeah you know so then you need to have your mum or your friends yeah or your boyfriend to say do you know what you're fucking slaying yeah you know you're do you know what you're doing a really good job yeah and and i know for me that i had a really big rejection recently something that was really big for me and I was like oh my god this is huge and then I got rejected and it was like a okay um and now I'm a few months on maybe four months on yeah and I'm feeling better than ever yeah and I've learned so much from it yeah you know always that redirection oh rejection is redirection that's my redirection redirection everything

happens for a reason everything oh yeah they're my favorite completely how do you feel about it i feel like rejection in general like some heart more than others but i remember my it was when you speak about parental support like i feel like i go to my mum for different things so my dad's a very pragmatic man yeah and i remember i remember i went to i had like this really big rejection i was like i will never recover yeah life will never be the same and he's like okay yeah yeah and it was he sent me this article something about like just take your time to kind of like sit and wallow yeah but then when you look at it pragmatically you write five things down that you've learned from it yeah and then three things on how you're going to carry on yeah and your positive mindset that's yeah like time does not stop no i always keep thinking like you just keep going and that's with breakups that's with like um job like

workplace rejections that's audition rejections that's romantic rejections yeah like you literally wake up the next day you're like okay well that happened yeah yes and then you're like okay gotta keep moving yeah keep grooving just one in front of the other yeah completely yeah and you go to different people for different things like if i want a bit of comfort i go to this gal over here you know i'm just like hype me up hype me up hype me up if i'm wanting like solutions yeah archie's there like my boyfriend like where's your kind of yeah um support system definitely i've got my group chats like with my uni girls and um my home girls okay oh like i probably say like the same things to each other but there's there's certain people in each group that are more like i say one of my best friends is called caitlin yeah she's so

rational like yeah my most rational friend ever we always describe her like that but like she very much will like see both sides to everything and like be able to put it into like perspective yeah okay um some of them like really good with words like oh a little paragraph back to you but yeah then definitely go to different people for different things yeah completely and i think i go to my friends over my family sometimes because like like i'll be crying about something to do at your twenties and my dad does, and mom just don't get it. And they're like,

Oh, why don't you go back to like another job? Then I'm like, that's the worst thing you could have said to me. But then my friends are like, no, no, no power on.

This is going to be great. Like, cause they get, they understand my mom and dad like blindly supporting me on it. Cause they don't see where it can go sometimes. They don't, they don't see, understand like social media and it's a new kind of job it's a new world yeah and then my friends

get it and they see the potential of it but my yeah my family just blindly supported me even so even when they don't know it's the same with dating as well like you know with online dating and stuff you know kate talks to me about it and we get it and we talk to our girls about it and we're all like you know and then my mum's literally like you could get kidnapped and I'm like uh well yes but Katie don't listen to that you know yeah so it it's funny that you do have so many different people in your life that can help with different situations yeah yeah and can contribute and you know where to go if you want the advice you want yeah you know 100 and it was even nice on the retreat we had like um s'mores and they were all this on the last night everyone was really comfortable and then they were all like i hope you realize like

what you've made and i was like it was all in the dark i was like don't girls because i'm gonna cry and they were like they're on like and they were giving me support back because there's been so much self-doubt this year like trying to go full time like ridiculous amount yeah and like sometimes like I need to hear it from the community as well yeah of course really nice oh that's so lovely yeah so we're gonna go into a little game yeah so you have the three most challenging years you've found in your 20s so far okay um and give me a little reason why as to why it's been pretty challenging okay um from number one two and three so one is the biggest one you're like wow yeah that was really hard okay i would say um this year of being 24 has been the most challenging okay just there's been so much

going on yeah like redundancy into trying to work out how to freelance trying to make 2020s happen like my mind's been at like its wits end at some point like i'm just trying to back myself when i really just don't have any like of that left okay it's been a big mindset shift for me this year and i've learned so much but i mean there's been so many great things but it's been the chat most challenging year for me mentally like to push through it yeah 21 i would say next just trying to find a job was in work at the nuclear research center yeah trying to get myself out of there um i don't remember 20 so i'm gonna say 20 because 22 and 23 were great i love it just moved to london working at tiktok okay just i've never been happier when i was at 22 23 oh was i 23 yeah no yeah both of those years were

great okay love that but then this year's like been more challenging okay so we're gonna say 24 21 and 20 yeah now 25 now but it's only been a few months so i'm not counting so not shy yeah and we're gonna put it to the universe you're gonna have a great year so yeah yeah yeah yeah and now we're gonna play snog mary void with. Okay. Yeah. So marry, you have to do it all over again. Yeah. From January to December, you have to do the whole year again. Yeah. You have to marry, you have to live it all the time.

Yeah. You have to do every single thing. Snog, you have to do once. Yeah. Literally like one day of it, you have to go through it all. And avoid, never again. Okay. Never, ever.

All right. Even though this year's been the toughest 24 i'd do again oh it just has to be done yeah okay like like i think this is just starting a business and like believing in yourself and like taking risks like it's been mentally tough but i would do it all over again because it's it's worked it's like working i can see the light at the end of the tunnel so definitely would do it again okay but 20 20 i would snog okay i think i still at uni still like it'll remind you what you felt yeah yeah avoid the nuclear resistance okay okay a living yeah and then yeah it was going into covid that one so

oh i see okay oh that's amazing that you do again that one of your hardest yeah that's amazing i guess because you've learned so much yeah you've got so much out of it the most challenging but the most rewarding and but i still would put it up there it's been hardest year yeah it's been worth it and i saw so much on pinterest how that everyone always says nothing good comes out of um being easy yeah it's so true when you work your ass off people make it look like you get so much businesses though like that's the issue like you think it will just like happen overnight and it's not as easy it's sometimes easy for people yeah people start on different levels as well and you compare yourself yeah okay that was great that was lovely love it nailed it out it's too high for me yeah yeah she's like oh the nose the nose

okay take us away katey the ick theme this week is it's that you feel society puts on you to do slash achieve slash create in your 20s that you're like oh god i wish people would stop it's such an ick and you can say as many as you like okay my biggest ick is just people just assuming in your 20s that you oh when you're gonna have kids i hate that i just pretend like assuming everyone's gonna have children i mean when are you gonna have kids that really annoys me yes um i think not that i've experienced it but my friends have found it and i've been annoyed for them. Okay. Just like, people pressuring,

people that have been in long-term relationships, oh, when are you moving in together? Like, whoa. Like, just because someone's been together like seven years because they've been like, first loves does not mean that they need to move in.

And it's like, just because everyone else is doing so, doesn't mean to. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But my third ick,

which is a little bit different, is just ick of your 20s in general. Yeah. Yeah. I hate when people say people are cringe for doing stuff that they are passionate passionate about okay just like for example linkedin influencers it can be a bit cringe but people are getting so much from it like just let them do it or like people like you've maybe heard it like with podcasts or starting your own

communities or posting tiktoks and stuff like it's cringe but sometimes but we're getting so much out of it yeah like i just don't like don't put other people down yeah don't put other people down and never don't do something because it's cringe because if you do that you'll not you'll not get anywhere like yeah i thought about it earlier this year i was like oh my god if i'm dating someone what if they come across my tiktok and i was like oh i don't care oh it's my life yeah yeah but that is a part of you that's hell yeah that's your spirit and yeah i hear it a lot with like linkedin like my friends do like take the mix sometimes but it's okay because i know that they they don't mind but some people really hate linkedin influencers

okay as if it's not real like i understand that if it's all but like if they're posting to like get sales through like because that's what they need or they need to get more followers like i'm all for here for it yeah okay cool what you gotta do yeah have you got any years because i've got one my my ick would be people expecting you to have the thing you're going to be most known for done in your 20s okay cool you know what i mean like where they're like that's such a good one you should have the thing you're going to be remembered for the thing you're going to have achieved done in your 20s yeah completely because i think because if you're like oh i want to do mt and they're like oh so what have you done it's like i'm 22 yes yeah yeah but then you see people online going straight like i mean it's just luck of

the drawer isn't it it's like straight out straight into these productions straight into doing this and i think maybe people see that and assume that's the same for everyone yeah like it's a universal thing and I'm like no guys yeah no and I think they're like oh well then what's the point if you haven't done something to be remembered yeah yeah and I think that picks me out yeah that's great and I get a nick from this but I also do it myself so I'm like on the fence there we have a very busy social life and sometimes I'm literally just like I would love to just have a weekend yeah of nothing my ick is when people like so what are you doing what are you going to do this week and what are your plans what is this and it's like can I not just live yeah like can I

not just chill for a second you know because when people are like oh you're in your 20s like you're 20 why are you not going out you're 21 yeah or why are you not why are you not doing that you're 20 you're in your 20s yeah oh god can i not sit down if you're in my 20s yeah it's it's really the whole pressure of 20s the best years of your life it's like yeah not for everyone yeah yeah i mean i i'm a big fan of the kardashians and courtney is like going into her 40s and she's like i'm in the best years of my life i'm having the best years and you know she's had a completely new rejig and you kind of family yeah um new uh career the kind of thing she's doing yeah so the the pressure of having to do everything in your 20s why are you not going out clubbing tonight al yeah in your 20s why are you being boring i actually think

i think it's quite sad to think that your 20s can be the best year of your life because that is quite early on it's so early yeah if you this is how i felt when i made sure your 20s i felt like i'd peaked at uni that's a really sad feeling like you don't want to you don't want to peak in your 20s no you want to have a great time yeah yeah we got to keep peaking yeah yeah exactly make every year a peak yeah so true so now we're going to go into questions so every week we always finish with a question okay kind of food for thought and we always do a serious and we always do a silly okay um this week i'm serious cool this week you're silly silly question so my serious question this week is you have to give me one okay yeah and you have to blame it on your 20s okay what is the biggest challenge

you've had to face in your 20s it has to be because you were in your 20s okay i think my biggest challenge and it's becoming more apparent to me recently okay has been my mindset the entire way through my 20s my my mantra yeah back of my phone and it's if you think you can you can because there's so much self-doubt so much imposter syndrome like the most of my like tears have been from stress or like just not like not being happy with where i'm at okay um in my 20s um and actually like that's all mindset because i could the retreat for example i didn't want to do i was like no one's gonna no one's gonna buy these tickets they're quite expensive there it's not like a 30 pound one and then um kitty who hosted it with me was like just did i feel like sure i'm everywhere

um she was like just put the feels out and see yeah we don't have to do it yeah and literally 400 people dm and i literally was like and then when i was at the retreat they were like oh well will you do merch and i was like no i'll buy merch like and it was just like little things like that and it's like oh there were things i've not done is because of my mindset and i've cried because i've not thought i'm there but i was there all along yeah yeah so i think i've stressed myself out more because of just my mindset yeah and i've not thought i'm there but i was there all along yeah yeah so i think i've stressed myself out more because of just my mindset yeah and i've realized that recently and that has literally changed the game for me like i just keep thinking if you think you can you can like yeah you can you can if you think you can't you can't wow yeah i got that in a fortune cookie

and i was like oh my gosh like me and my friends we like three out of four of us got something that was like good for us yeah but i was like mine's not even like you can just tailor it to your situation i needed that yes oh my god what a what a time from the universe no go girl right so my silly question is so you've talked about the three years that you found the most challenging in your 20s yeah so would you rather hit 29 turn 30 wake up the next day and have to experience those three years again in succession okay back to back yeah or never experience them go back to your 20s and just skip them you would have never experienced them at all so i'd have different years uh I'm confused yeah um so I'd have a different 2024 yeah yes yeah you but you all the experience you've experienced you would not have experienced at all yeah I do

again would you yeah yeah okay definitely I feel like all of it's been a lesson and that's the only reason I've got to where I am like even all the breakups and stuff I just think everything is just growth um it's not nice at the time but no it's definitely yeah everything happens for a reason i really believe that it does so yeah i would experience them all again yeah and we're girls we're all going to achieve everything we want to because if you think you can you can yeah yeah yeah just just it's hard my god i'm gonna think so much now i'm literally i i'm gonna be a billionaire i can't yeah i'm like girls fucking watch me and be bent with no i genuinely think that it's hard to change your mindset but like if you can just switch it when you're like feeling like you can't do it and to do that then i think you can do it yeah

absolutely oh my god that's amazing yeah we do yeah yeah yeah it's so true thank you so much though for this it's been absolutely amazing. I love the reason, one of the biggest reasons we've brought you on the pod was because we've had a lot of discussion about bringing people on whose followers would like our followers. And we felt they really would. You know, we're all about the positivity,

the mindset and the growth, but also the silliness of being in your twenties and kind of enjoying it and being funny and all this kind of stuff. And we've just felt your energy's resonated so much with us. And thank you so much for taking your time to be here. Thank you for bringing me on and coming up to me at the mixer as well.

It was so sweet. So scared. No, no. It was so sweet and I've really enjoyed myself. Thank you so much. Thank you, Elle. And guys, hope you have a great Monday. Have a great Monday.

Reflect on these 20s. Let's see what you can bring, okay? Absolutely. Because if you think you. Thank you, Elle. And guys, hope you have a great Monday. Have a great Monday. Reflect on these 20s. Let's see what you can bring, okay? Absolutely. Because if you think you can, you can. Bye, guys. Bye. Bye.