The Debrief - Tell Me Sweet Little Lies | The Debrief Podcast

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

Welcome back to The Debrief! This week we are dissecting the topic of “LIES”. Why we do it, the worst we’ve ever told and the worst we’ve heard! As always email your dilemmas to [e-mail] or DM us @the.debriefpodcast on Insta. Have the most amazing week! Lots of Love,K+K xx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

welcome to the debrief we're back happy monday we're back happy monday happy monday monday monday tuesday wednesday no but monday like I couldn't, funnily enough, imagine Monday being anywhere else but the beginning of the week. Yeah, I know. Like such a Monday, coming with a Monday. Yeah. What if your name, because I used to know two twins. One of them was called Tuesday and the other one was called Thursday.

I shit you not. Tuesday and Thursday are rogue names to name your child, I can't lie. What if you had to be one of the days What would you say you'd want to be I'd want to be Sunday Sunday's a nice name I've known a Friday Friday I could see working

Yeah I've known a Friday Friday would have to be fun Imagine you were boring though What's her name Friday That's really unfortunate I'd hate to be like a Wednesday Imagine you were boring. What's her name? Friday. That's unfortunate. That's really unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that? I'd hate to be like a Wednesday.

Wednesday? I would be fine with a Wednesday because you could be like Wednesday Adams. Yes. Wednesday is quite a cool name. Yeah, quite a cool name. I wouldn't like to be a Monday. I don't think I would be a Monday. Monday.

No. No, it's an odd name. Really odd name. Great podcast. Yes. Odd name. Odd name. Okay.

What is your mantra for this Monday? So my mantra for this Monday is I focus on my house. I love that. Yes, I do. Kind of like similar vein to last week. Yeah. Just had loads on recently. Yeah.

And it's just so important to just prioritize yourself. Yes. And it sounds ridiculous, but just being like, what actually makes you happy? Yes, 100%. You know. Yeah. And reflecting on things, you know, Archie asked me, we went for a drink yesterday. and it sounds ridiculous but just being like what actually makes you happy yes 100 yeah and and reflecting on things you know archie asked me we had we went for a drink yesterday and he said say three things that you're really looking forward to yeah uh coming up this summer yeah yeah and i was like my birthday because my birthday obviously we're all going to devon like us as friends and i was like oh do you know what those things i'm talking about they're really

for my own happiness yes yeah my friends my family i'm gonna have a great time yeah oh I love that yay how about your mantra my mantra is tell me what goes around comes back around yeah nice okay tell me why it's interesting I feel like I've been telling people this a lot this week and I think like karma yeah i think a lot of people are like oh can you believe this happened to them like i'm so like this they don't deserve this xyz like a lot of and and i found myself going look i'm a firm believer in what goes around comes around like let them enjoy it for now but truly like they will have their time okay and i feel like it's been a nice grounding thing

because it's weird that i'm like not intense about it in many ways i think there are a few things that people have been getting a bit like oh my god can you believe this and this is so bad because they just don't deserve it and i'm like also funnily enough like that's life that's life a that's life b i firmly believe what goes around comes around. I'm such a firm believer of it. And if you have a strong mindset, if you're a positive person, if you're a kind person, then you'll get rewarded. It is, yeah. If you're bitching about

everyone under the sun, saying they don't deserve this, they don't deserve it, it really doesn't look good on you. So I like that. It doesn't, yeah. I really like it. My song for this week is I would rather, I would rather go blind, boy. Yeah, yeah. Etta James.

I love that woman. I would rather, I would rather go blind. I would, oh my God, I've got a record of that song and it's pink. Oh, oh guys, you got excited. Oh, guys. Oh, we're moving into a new house. We're moving into a new house.

Guys. An actual house guys i literally i was saying to archie actually recently i was like the the first house we lived in was a student house yeah so it was dingero dingero the flat we were in yeah is dingero but it served us very well like we and we've done a lot with the flat a lot with it we did the best we could we did the best we could with the tools that we were given yes we really and we've made a home out of a flat like we've loved it so much this this his house when we're moving into this is a working professional's home this is the nice it's so nice down a little cobbled street it's so quiet we were

on bloody high street it's so nice double glazed windows double glazed windows it's down a little cobbled street you like walk off the door that open there's a kitchen there's a living room there's a social space dining room we have our own garden there's a there's a garden three bath there are three fucking bathrooms there are three bathrooms we literally had one bathroom between four of us and it's hell in there it's all right it's hell in there but our like once we wanted a living room everything and then everything living room

we got a bloody garden we were literally a garden we were like we're going to get a garden we were literally like as long as we have a living room

and maybe potentially there's a second bathroom we would be so happy we'd be so happy we got three bathrooms it's fucking crazy we got a bath which is bloody stunning

it's so nice everything's so nice but guys it's so happy it's the perfect example actually yeah what goes around comes around what goes around comes around we put all the positive energy into getting this and literally it was so funny because we saw it and i was like this is too nice yeah it was literally like and it was like too good to be true and i'm so glad we weren't out bitter yeah we weren't no and it was like we literally have our dream house that we're moving into

we are so excited I'm so physically excited I'm buzzing I can't wait so tell me your song my song is tell me lies tell me sweet little lies tell me lies tell me tell me Fleetwood Mac

Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac Little Lies Little Lies on brand for the Topical Podcast today which I'm excited for

but I also it's a banger banger banger recommendation my recommendation this week is tell me

Antipode Coffee in Hammersmith. Oh, I've never been. I am a bit of a whore for gales. Will say. Will say. There is a gales. Honey, honey, honey.

There is a gales. I'll be getting that fetter bloody spinach thing out of gales. There is a gales right by my uni. Right by there. Literally two minute walk. Oh, I'll go grab a by there. Literally, two minute walk. Oh, I'll go grab a honey cake. Oh, you want,

oh, get a latte as well? Sure. Oh, the reverse chocolate chunk cookie? You bet. What does that mean? It's dark chocolate, white chocolate chunks. Oh my God.

Wow. So nice. Lovely. I'm fucking obsessed. Like, Gales, I love you. However, I started walking into uni more recently and the route I take, I pass Antode coffee so i went in it's an australian coffee brand fucking yummy australian yeah such yummy coffee hate to say it better than gales i hate to say it hate to say it

hate to say it really better than gales although gales like you're not going anywhere sweetheart don't don't get jealous don't get rushed no no but antipode coffee then i also tried they had a pistachio chocolate pan of chocolate oh that sounds fucking lovely yeah so i'm obsessed it's in hammersmith i'm pretty sure they might have another one somewhere else richmond they might do they strike me as a chain antipode in to Antipodean Richmond. I could be talking up my arse. So delicious. Do they do brunch? Potentially. Okay.

They have seating in there, but I've never gone in for brunch. Yeah. Let's debrief. So this week, we are discussing all things around the topic of lying. Liar. Now. Well, you're a liar. I'm a liar.

You're a liar. You're a liar. Now, I think I'm safe to assume that everyone listening here has told a lie at least once in their life. And if you're saying no, funnily enough, you're lying. You're lying, I think. So you're lying. You're a liar. You're a liar. Liar, actress. Shut the fuck up. You're an actor, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. So I want to dissect this. I looked up the psychology of lying. Why do we lie? Okay. It's a very interesting thing

because I think people go every day lying. Oh. Little white ones. Every single day. Little white lies. Yeah. Big lies. Yeah.

Who knows? Who knows? So I looked it up and it says, lying allows a person to establish perceived control over a situation by manipulating it it's a defense mechanism that seemingly prevents them from being vulnerable that is to not open up and reveal their true self to another person fascinating which i see because people if people lie they're changing the version of events oh yeah oh yeah so it didn't technically happen their desired outcome is true so my question to you is tell me obviously you

have lied in your life oh yeah gotcha but what has been the main reason for any lies you've told so if you're like oh i'm gonna have to lie here like what has been the main reason that you're like oh i probably should lie right now i've lied loads in my life oh let's be upfront let's no let's let's let's let's for let's for once be honest let's turn it as let's turn it on his head let's let's be honest let's be honest yeah let's not one liar to another yeah hey let's say to the other truth time's truth time. It is truth time. Look, you've got to be upfront. I've lied, of course I have. Yeah.

Loads of times. Absolutely. And it depends on the reasons. Yes. So let me give a few. So, oh my God, I told ridiculous lies in high school. Like, ridiculous lies. And I think that was, that was for so many reasons.

A lack of, like, security myself. I think wanting to, that was for so many reasons. A lack of like security myself. I think wanting to get people to like me. Yeah. I think there was loads of reasons like that. Wanting to get closer to people, I think. Yeah, yeah. Like social climbing in school. I think all of that was to do with the lying.

I think lying now, like if I'm late to something, oh, I'll spin a yarn, I'll spin a yarn. Oh, yeah, because it because actually lying sounds malicious. Spinning a yarn is my preferred term. Spinning a yarn is less fiddly-diddly. Spin a little yarn and you can roll it back up nicely. Like, it's fine. I think also lying to avoid situations.

Yeah, that was my main one. It was, yeah. I think that could be the main reason to be something but in another way i think don't know if i've done this no i would say i have i think i've lied to protect myself yes yeah for sure i think i have yeah to just think you don't need to know that yeah i definitely have and also to protect others yeah to be like you know someone could ask me oh does katie think this she hasn't said. Yeah. To be like, you know, someone could ask me, oh, does Katie think this? She hasn't said.

Of course she's fucking said. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so I think, I think lying doesn't need to be deceived as such like a bad thing. No, no. It's when you do fiddly diddlies like I did at high school. It's when you're lying about other people. Yes.

Thinking what's going on here. They've said, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when you need to look at yourself and think why are you doing that yeah and i think i look back in you know when i was in high school i'm just how ridiculous you know because you can't do that yeah you really can't you need to grow up but things like protecting yourself yeah friends i'm like yeah how about you what are your main reasons for telling me porkies my main reason why were you telling porkies kata definitely oh and i hate to say it because i think it is still sort of true to this day which but to make things funnier than it is

always oh and we joke about this i'm like oh if i trip on the way home yeah oh i didn't just trip no i flew there were five people watching me as i tripped, flew, stop, drop, rolled over a car. Hair got cool. Like, I sometimes have the habit of embellishing a story to make it funnier in a group setting. And what's the point in telling the story if you can't? Like, what am I going to just say? Oh, I twist my ankle and fell. No, my back, my puss was out.

Oh, puss was out. Skuss was out skirt by your ears like flu it was just a whole thing skirt by your ear like it's just one of those things that it's like it's more interesting oh you got it in fellowship i also do it to make people feel less bad sometimes okay or downplay the severity of a situation. So again, it's a protecting thing. And if someone comes up to me, if someone's come to me and said, Arabella has really fucked me off

and she's so annoying and blah, blah, blah, blah. And a friend, an Arabella comes up to me being like, oh, I feel like everyone's annoyed at me. Does she hate me? I will not be like, yes, I will not. No. I will lie. No. I will. I'm not an honest person in that sense. And also like, I feel like everyone's annoyed at me. Does she hate me? I will not be like, yes, I will not. No. I will lie. No.

I will. I'm not an honest person in that sense. And also, I'm like, then you inside yourself. Protect them. Yeah. Protect them. If that person is your best friend, of course, you're going to be like, yeah,

guess what she just said about you. Of course you are. Yeah. But if it's just a humdrum through the day, come on. Come on, now. Give Arabella a bit of peace. Yeah.

Like, please. Peace of mind. Literally, yeah. I on give arabella a bit of peace yeah like like please peace of mind literally yeah i do remember that i have a really vivid memory when i was in guides i was a girl guide and i remember okay i remember i lied saying that i knew someone in one like i knew someone that knew one direction just to see if i could get away with it when i was younger just to see and i distinctly remember being like i'm gonna do it tonight and i'm gonna see if i get away with that off peace off because i was like because that was just such out my arsehole like pulled that out she pulled thin fucking air she pulled it yeah thin fucking, just to see if I could get away with it. People would believe me. People did believe me.

Do you know what's hilarious is your girl guides will be like, that bitch. Ten years later, I found out that was her. But what was the reason for that lie? When you look back, you're like, why did I do that? I think I wanted to know if I could get away with it. Get attention. And I think it was an attention thing,

and I also wanted to be big chief. And guides, are you kidding? I was one of the younger ones. Big chief. I was coming just from brownies. I had to establish myself. Brownie girl guide. Had to establish myself

amongst the big dogs of girl guides. I did because I'm like, these fucking bean ox here have been here for ages with fucking barn owl, tawny owl. Like, not me. Not me. I'm new to the gaff.

Yeah, you gotta make up some lines. I've gotta really establish my dominance here. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. As chief girl guide. As Harry Stiles' girlfriend. Yeah.

Which actually could be possible now because have you seen him and his girlfriend have broken up? Taylor Russell? No, have they? Oh, that's a shame. It is actually a shame

because apparently he wants the family and she wasn't ready for them. Well, that's what they've said on the grapevine. Oh, I love it. That's a real shame. He's taken a step back from his career because he wants a baby. Does he? Yeah, he wants a family. Oh, blessing.

Yeah, shame. So quite a cute couple. They were. I like them together. Okie dokes. Do we want to move on? Shall we? Let's move on. Let's move on. So, as we said, everyone lies katie lies about being in one direction yeah yeah now now it was i toured with them now she told me now it's evolved into that yeah she's harry's mother yeah yeah yeah yeah now she said she shagged them all i've shagged

i've shagged them all i love it i just love how you're like i'll just lie like no shit i'm just gonna lie just i would have loved to know do you know what actually is the devil's work is that we didn't know each other as children it is that is the devil's work that i would have loved to just see you bullshit your way through life and bullshit my way i would be like both like wedding because i'm like bullshit bullshit and lying I do think of very different things actually bullshit

bullshit is like just chatting like chatting harm lies I think are harmful when someone's like she's such a lot it's like you're trying to

hurt people but really saying in one direction I was just saying you need someone who's that who's harmless he's never gonna get back to say to someone, who's that homeless guy?

He's homeless. He's never going to get back to Harry's. No, exactly. He's going to be none the wiser. He'll be fine. As you said, everyone doesn't lie. Everyone lies, sorry. Including top dogs.

Like celebs. Celebrities. So, we have come with a few of our favourite lies that celebrities have told and have been caught out. I love it when people get it. Nothing's better than catching out on a lie. And we've said it time and time again.

Guys, if you caught out on a lie, own it. Because it's hilarious. Did you actually call me a bitch? Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Okay. Okay, cool. Fantastic. Hilarious. So the first one I'm going to say, Ben Affleck lied about getting a back tattoo. Now, if we know Ben Affleck lied about getting a back tattoo. Now, if we know Ben Affleck, if you know the tattoo, he's got this huge fucking awful eagle tattooed on his back.

Have you ever seen that? Yes, it is disgusting. I don't like it. So after pictures surfaced of an enormous phoenix, that was it, a phoenix, not eagle. Yeah. Tattoo on his back. It's different colours, guys. It's like red and blue. It's awful. Affleck told the press it was a fake tattoo that he got for a movie.

Oh, fantastic. What is it? I still learn. After about a year later, and no movie emerging. No. The actor finally admitted the tattoo was in fact real. That's a cutie lie.

There's no reason for that. I'm like, oh, it's fake, it's fake, it's fake. But also, why get it to be like, real. That's a cutie lie. There's no reason for that. Oh, it's fake, it's fake, it's fake. But also, why get it to be like, oh, it's not? Own it, Ben. Yeah. Own it, Ben. Look at this bad boy in me bag.

There it is. What do you think? Like from the ashes. Yeah. Yeah. Have a look. Have a look. Fantastic.

Oh, I've got one. So 50 Cent, the rapper, was court ordered by a judge after he posted a photo sat on piles of cash after filing for bankruptcy and the the photo itself is he sat on this pile of money and the money spells out broke so oh my god this is hilarious he then had to go to court and make an online statement saying that the cash was fake. Like it was paper, like printed and he kind of just got out. You are joking me. You are actually joking me. That is fake money. That is monopoly

money like it broke. So he was truthful in the fact he was. He was broke. But he made an online appearance seem it was poking fun. I'm not being funny, but that is so embarrassing. I would have been mortified. If he was that rich and he did do broke,

because it's like, boom, then he spends it all. And he's like, yeah. Sorry about it, guys. But he's like, I am broke. But you know what? He'd be less broke if he didn't fucking use all that ink. Yeah. If he saved his money on the printers.

Yeah, exactly. You've got to make cuts make you've got to make cuts you've got to make cuts when you can yeah he is now yeah

come on now honestly he's been taken to the supermarket that is hilarious can you imagine how long that would take yeah oh my god

talking about fake things I remember this is a fantastic porky I told oh yeah so everyone at school had a phone bliver died I didn't

I thought anyway took me mum's blackberry oh yeah took me mum's blackberry took me mum's blackberry to school oh yeah got grounded

I was like guys my new blackberry it's my new add me on BBM add me guys it must have been like 10 or 11 oh my god I love it

look at this bad boy my mum got the new blackberry so it was fantastic anyway my mum was fretting where's my phone where's my phone

where's my phone no I bet your phone's going off all day yeah so i'm like guys from to your dad yeah yeah have you seen my phone yeah and i'm like i'm like hey hey yeah come back home she's like you took me bloody blackberry and i'm like what mum social state look look look you want me to fit in in the school yeah do you want me to have friends you You want me to fit in this gift? Do you want me to have happiness? Let me have BBM. BBM, okay. I love BBM. Oh my God. Okay, so P. Diddy bragged about his private jet. Oh God.

Then said gas costs were so much he had to ditch it and get rid of it. Anyway, turned out he never had a private jet registered under his name or any other names that he used. Oh God. And then clarified that he meant oh I only own like part of a plane like a wing

a wing and technically someone else owned the jet I just would participate in it oh well then you don't

have a private jet then you don't own one so why are you posting photos of a private jet love my private jet life so glad to be back on the jet posted on the story

going gas is too expensive guys i'm gonna have to get rid of her i mean why that's terrible you and i say why we do it why oh case i had about one direction yeah yeah why would you do that oh we've been there and if i had a jet that i was like oh yeah yeah, it's mine. Yeah. Sometimes you also get cornered into lies. When, when was it? When, oh, when did I do something?

And I genuinely was like, oh, I've never done this before in my life. I think, you know, when you're in conversation, you're not really listening. Oh.

I think I was talking to someone and they were like, oh, and you know, like all about skiing. I was like, love skiing. No.

Yeah, yeah. I've never done a ski once in my life. And then they think, then they think you've been, so they're like, oh, where's the best place?

And you're like, oh, so many. best place? And you're like, oh. Oh, so many. And the next time you see them, well, Katie knows about skiing, and you're like, I really don't. Got my carbon fibres getting fucking polished up at the moment. I seriously don't. I've had to stay with this to be interesting to you.

It was crazy. Actually, no, my favourite thing, which I need to stop doing, lying to Uber drivers and lying on a night out. And don't even, don't even come like come for me with like i remember but again this is a classic thing i was getting an uber somewhere and he said are you on your way to the office oh boring you i'm boring you bye i was on the on my way and he goes oh you, you want to go to the office? And I went, yes.

And he was like, oh, where do you work? And I was like, oh, I work in accounting for a firm in the city. And he was like, oh, so are you working from, do you work from home? I said, I do like the hybrid working. Yeah, I do. I said, I tend to work from home Fridays and Mondays so I get a longer weekend.

He goes, ah, smart. I said, yeah, yeah, it is. It is. I really enjoy it. You know, but I said, I do still like to go into the office for really enjoy it you know but i said i do still like to go into the office for the for the culture you know the social aspect of it goes oh yeah yeah that's nice i said yeah thank you so you've been in the job long said oh yeah i love these do

accounting at uni yeah yeah i loved it i i was in my musical theater halls of accommodation i love it i love it so much i love it i remember once i was going home for the weekend and all trains were like delayed or cancelled, like nothing was going. So I had to go off to like a random place. I think it was like, what are you up to? I've got another story. I had to go off to like a random place

and it was really strange. And then my dad was like, look, just get a taxi. So I got a taxi. It took bloody ages to get home. But anyway, I was in this black cab, a black cab all the way home while I was rich. I was rich at that point. Oh, well, yeah, as you're in a black cab.

If they think I'm getting a black cab this time, I've got to embellish. I can't just say that my dad's paid for it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Come on, not a month. It's coming out of your own pocket. Not a month. CEO.

Looking out the window, he said, oh, what are you off to? I was like, I've just got home in the countryside. Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. He said, oh, really? Off for got home in the countryside fantastic absolutely fantastic he said oh really I was like yeah and he was just like oh so where have you been

I was like oh just in London I work from London during the week and then I come back from my country days he said oh you're very young to be so successful I said yeah

so work very hard you know he asked me how old I was I said 28 I was 19 at the time what a stupid bit I bet your dad sat there fucking how old I was. I said 28. I was 19 at the time. What a stupid day. I bet your dad sat there fucking lying. I know.

And I rolled up to my house. The most embarrassing thing, the gates opened. My mum and dad just on the porch waving to me. I'm thinking, oh, these are the stuff. It's the housekeeper and the cook. I got my parents at home for the weekend. I like to keep them here, you know, just so I've got them close you know yeah i look after them i did i was i was on the way back from your house and i was on the train and the train stopped what like the train stopped and

they were like there are no more trains to london today and i was literally the stop after the one i got off at like 10 minutes so i was literally like how the fuck am got off at, like 10 minutes. So I was literally like, how the fuck am I going to get home? Like, this is bad. And I had tickets to see Pink in Hyde Park. And me and my sister had waited months for these tickets. I was like, there's no fucking way. I can't just come back to yours and be like,

oh, maybe can I stay another night? No, I got to get back. So I got to go to Pink. So this guy on the train is like, well, this is fucking ridiculous. He goes, right, guys, is anyone going to Heathrow? Because I'm going, I've got a flight to catch.

And I was like, oh, thank God, me too. So I get in a black cab from the midst of the fucking nowhere to Heathrow with this man. And he was like, bless him you're shitty mate he was like that and he was like so where are you going and I'm like oh I'm going on a girl's trip to Ibiza and he was like oh god well what time's your flight I said well it's not till five because I was planning on going back to my flat first and then we were going to go across and

meet and he was like oh really I see I'm really excited you know i think it'll be lovely and he's oh yeah it'll be great so where are you going he was off to sweden for work and he dropped me off at ether he's like oh well you know but i have a great trip bless him paid for the entire thing it was like 230 quid i was like oh please let me know if i can split it with you and he was like no he was like old enough to be my dad he was like you have a great girls trip oh that's so nice of him and I was like thank you I was like I needed to get I need to do what I had to do I was like I don't know how else I'm gonna get to London I was like how else can I get there and I was like it's like the fucking theatrics of it though because it's never like oh I'm going to London

oh thank god thank god my savior because otherwise I'll miss my flight no flight It's like the fucking theatrics of it, though, because it's never like, oh, I'm going to... Oh, thank God. Thank God, my saviour. Because otherwise I'll miss my flight. No flight booked. She would have had to leave the airport and run out. No, because actually... Yeah, no, I did. No, I did, because he was, oh, where's your desk?

Oh, no, I think I'm in terminal, so I'm going to have to get the shuttle. He goes, oh, well, you have a good time. I'm like, yeah, you too. Oh, Katie, this is hilarious. Because I had a suitcase with me and everything, so it still was believable you and I were destined to be friends literally oh god it was so bad

that does it let's get back to this have you got any others my one is infamous but I've got maybe Kim Kardashian yes so in 2007 when Kim Kardashian was only semi-famous

rumours emerged about a sex tape being made by her and her ex ray jay and an interview with complex magazine she publicly denied that any sex tape was made kim kim and even worse she denied it to her then boyfriend nick cannon so when the tape finally got leaked nick called it quit saying it was the most deception mostly the deception that pushed him away despite claiming she wouldn't release the sex tape for any amount of money kim is reported to have settled for a $5 million payout from Vivid Entertainment and has a long battled armchair speculation that she was directly involved in the leak.

What? Chris. It was Chris. Chris was on it. Chris launched her career. I mean, fantastic. And do you know what's hilarious is now she talks about it on Kardashian.

I love it. You've got to own it. You've got to own it. It's so hard now she's got kids though. Yeah. Do you know what's hilarious is now she talks about it on yeah kardashian i love it it's so you gotta own it you gotta own it it's so hard now she's got kids though yeah do you know what i mean because i remember when she said someone saw a video one of the kids saw a video of it yeah like during oh yes panicked and she was like i've been trying like i don't even know it's really difficult but she said it now well it now. She was like, that wasn't me. It was me. It was. It was. Unfortunately, yes. See, Rebel Wilson told a harmless lie.

In 2015, she said to an Australian magazine that she was 29 when she was 36. No bother. No bother. Oh, lie to me. I don't mind about that. No, lying about age, I feel like is a hot, yeah, I'm fine. It's fine. Go for it. You're not hurting anyone. The only time you're hurting is when it comes to sexually. You can't lie when it's sexually.

Sexually, no, no, no. You can't. That's illegal. You could get someone in trouble. You could get someone in trouble. You could get yourself and someone else in trouble. Yes, I think so.

Have you got any others? Because I had Kim Kardashian. Oh, yeah, no, that's all I've got. I've got one more. Oh, go for it. Good old Carl's Jen's. Kylie Jenner. Oh, Kylie Jenner. Initially, and it's

actually quite sad. So, she said on Keeping Up With The Kardashians that she'd never had any work done on her lips. Yes. And said her larger pout was due to overlining them. Yeah. In 2015, she did admit to having filler. Yeah. But said it was an insecurity of hers that she had and she really wanted to do.

Yeah. And she wanted to admit it, but people are so quick to judge me on everything so i tiptoed around the truth and you know what's really sad is i'm like you would get judged and being that regardless yeah you know people are like people are probably contacting her every single day yeah watching her every move she's got bodyguards she's probably like i'm sick of it i'm just not gonna admit it yes i i do not want the hassle of everyone writing in all of that so i'm like fair fuck fair enough which bless her it's obvious she did have filler did you ever do the kylie jenner lip challenge she knew what i never did the kylie jenner lip challenge i dial up my school oh

she did the kylie jenner lip challenge she came in her lips were black oh like probably bruised they were they were all they were both and when i say black they were like this like oh my fucking god and they would rock hard like and she's like this and they were all swollen you know she couldn't drink no she had to have like a light shirt to put her head through a straw oh my god it was real but i never did it i did it i did it i was so scared my friend came into school with black lips yeah can't do it oh my god i remember but like i swear that's why she came out with it because people were like bursting their lips yeah from doing it because they were like i just want to get kylie jenner lips but i tried it i think the shot glass i did it on wasn't small enough. It was like quite a wide shot glass.

So I did it and then I was like, oh, nothing happened. I think I did it wrong. It was so funny. Deep, deep dilemmas. Tell me. So I've, this is an interesting one. So, hi girls, this came at the perfect time. So basically I've been with my

boyfriend for two years everything is going super well and we're both very solid good the other night however he came back from a night with the boys at the pub with some girl's number in his phone absolutely no no no i'm afraid not i'm afraid not. I'm afraid not. I confronted him about it. Good girl. And he said, the girl put it down in his phone, mistaking it for his friend's instead. Oh, what? Your friend made your Tinder profile? Yeah.

I can't believe that shit. I hate those lies. They're the lies that are heard. Yeah, they're the lies about me. That's not bullshit. My fake girl's holiday? Not malicious. My mansion in the country? Bullshit. Bullshit. But That's not bullshit. My fake girls holiday? Not malicious. My mansion in the country?

Bullshit. Bullshit. But that's a lie. That's a lie. So my question is, why didn't he delete it or just give it straight to his friend? I don't know, girls.

This boy is as good as gold and has never given me a reason to feel worried about cheating. However, this has set off a weird feeling. I'm really worried and even super cagey when I've tried to confront him about it i don't know how to re-approach the situation or if i even should please help oh darling now when you said he's super reliable and he's good as gold i think of arch yeah exactly because if this situation a kind of a similar situation but not

really so arch came back i must have told the story but arch came back from a hockey night just to make it really quick yeah he was like on a hockey social yeah absolutely slaughtered came back and was so drunk i had to help him all of this but had a number on his arm yeah like a phone number yeah and i was like what the hell yeah you know anyway really annoyed in the morning we spoke about it and he said that i saw a video of a girl writing the social sack writing her number saying you need if if oh you're so drunk that if you're like oh my god so in my mind i was like oh you're going to the worst and then i saw this video she was like you're so drunk you need to get out and they were laughing but he was i don't need this she was like no if you're doing something so and if i found a number in arch's phone i'll be like what like yeah i trust him so much yeah

but she's the only thing that puts me on edge casey is the do you know it's the caginess why kj because are you if you're being cagey and the gut feeling because i could get it if someone accused me like my boyfriend accused me of cheating i'd be like what the fuck so maybe it was the shock of it that he's like what the fuck like why are you doing that but also like you don't need to go off the rails that much you could be like reassure at least reassure i i darling i think you need to i think we need to stick we don't want to encourage violating people's personal property never Katie never

however if his phone is hey if it lands in your if it lands in your possession and it's open hey and hey if you know your passcode maybe there might be a reason actually why you need to get in there could be an emergency there'd be an absolute emergency while he's in the shower or something you might need to just double check

something could be life and death it could be life and death it could be life threatening but once you get that situation sorted you could amble on your way back you could just have a little peruse the thing that's concerning me is you have a gut feeling and the guy doesn't lie and we said in the last week something that he's just that doesn't lie that doesn't lie. That doesn't lie. Are you close enough with his friends to kind of be like, Boys night as well. That's what sends a shiver down my spine. Do you know what you could do?

Boys night. Is text the girl. And be like, Hey, I was at the pub. You could do that. You spoke to this guy. That, I wouldn't, I would bat that.

You could do that. I would bat that. You could, it depends how solid you are in your relationship or because because it could create more problems would i do that i wouldn't yeah yeah because i if i said it's it's not it it's not a thing then it's not a thing i trust him yeah yeah and then start going behind his back texting another girl he'd be like bloody hell And then if he found that out, it would make it a lot worse because then it would be like,

you really don't fucking trust me at all, do you? And you'd be like, ooh. I think what you need to do is keep this in the back of your mind, okay? Yeah. You trust him. Therefore, you've got to take his word. Unfortunately, this time,

you have to take his word for it. Yes. You did. Yes, it seems sketchy, but you have to take his word. Move on. But keep did. Yeah. Yes, it seems sketchy, but you have to take his word. Move on. But keep this in the back of your mind, all right? Yeah.

When he's on boys' nights, keep an eye out. Yeah. Maybe someone go that's your friend so they can report back. Yeah, 100%. Just keep an eye out. Maybe, yeah. Log it. Not, yeah.

Log it. It's not make or break yet. Yeah. Yet. Yet. But log it. Yeah. Yet. Yet. But log it. Yeah. I think so.

Good luck. Okay. I've got one. I've got one. Let me ping pong you. We've kind of covered it. But there's a difference between a white lie and deception. There is, Casey.

And deception. There is a difference. And it annoys me when they're like, oh, stop your lie. For is, Katie. And deception. There is a difference. And it annoys me when they're like, oh, stop, you're like... For example, when you exaggerate a story, put your hand up in the studio if you exaggerate a story.

But hey, guys, at least we're self-aware. Put your hand up in the studio if you exaggerate stories and you admit it. If I could put two up, I would. I'm holding the mic. Okay.

Now, exaggerating a story, no lying there. Do you know what I'd say that? Dramatisation. Do you know what I'd call that? Is that fun i call that is that fun you know what else drama dramatization how do you say that that's pure dramaturgy actually i think i that's pure fucking drama that's pure fucking dramaturgy because there's an art to storytelling and i'm sorry to say it without choosing my own hoon you and i have it. We unfortunately do.

We have it. We're blessed. If someone's telling a story, I'm thinking, God, it's not right. And they look at me because they're like, she's making it up now. And I'm like, yeah, but are people enjoying it? Yeah. And do you know what? The stories we tell, there is always truth rooted in them.

It's not like, what's that TikTok sound? Had the manager buy the scruff of the fucking neck. I love that TikTok sound. It's manager buy the scruff of the fucking neck. Yeah. Like, yeah. I love that TikTok sound. It's never far from the truth. No. It's just, put a little sparkle on it. Bit of spice. Because truly, no one will ever have a chance of being a good storyteller

if you just say, for example, if you see a celebrity on the way to the shops. Let's say you see Harry Styles Harry Styles out and about oh guys oh Katie I saw Harry Styles today yeah

right no no no start where you were before right Katie Katie well in previous circumstances I was walking down the high street a croissant on me hand oh my god

I had crumbs all over me typical absolutely typical I didn't have a croissant on gluten free do you see the light starting to come

yeah yeah yeah and it just happens so easily it just begins it begins and then you think oh my god people gonna catch me out and yeah like you gluten-free it was a gluten-free croissant yeah they do them when waitress no idea got it got it from that new organic place on the king's road don't know if there is one probably that you're taking an educated guess yeah you've got so oh which one oh i can't remember the name of it so that is yeah more like, it's like, oh, that's a lie. No, it's a white lie. Yeah, I agree. Right. I agree.

It's like, you know in the nativity where he goes to the vicar and he goes, there is, what's his name, Martin Freeman. He's like,

you know, it's fine. Not a vicar. What is he, like a confessional? He's a priest. Oh, yeah, yeah, the priest, yeah.

He's like, there's a difference, isn't there? Yeah, and he's like, no, a lie is a lie. And obviously he told all the kids about the Hollywood. That's a bad lie. Yeah, that was a bad lie that Martin Freeman told him.

He is lucky that the Hollywood pulled through. Yeah. Right, you ready? Yeah. So almost now it's going to sound contradictory, given the spiel we've just given. Spiel. Great words, eh?

Spiel. Spiel. Spiel. However, I think in a relationship it's different and this is specifically talking in relationships ah lying about the most boring things your ex did this your ex did that yes and it's the first thing that came like and it just is mundane things he lied that's but he was pathological. He was pathological. Like mundane shit. Like, oh, I saw my aunt today. And I'm like, oh, that's nice. How is she?

Actually, I didn't. Why are you lying about that? I think Casey once told me she was like, she asked him like, oh, what did you do? He's like, I went to football. So I had a football. And you were like, oh, great. And then later on, he called you.

He was like, oh, you know, I didn't actually go to football. Didn't actually go to football. Just sacked it off. Same stuff. He'd be like, oh, I actually have a shift today. I'm like, oh, that's nice. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah. I't actually go to football today. Didn't actually go to football, just sacked it off. Same stuff. He'd be like, oh, I actually have a shift today. I'm like, oh, that's nice. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah.

I was like stacking shelves all evening. I'm like, oh, that's good. Actually, I was on tills. Why does it matter? Like, why? Why? I was like, actually, I was on tills. I'm like, okay.

Weird. Weird. Weird little lies. Like, oh, I'm allergic to broccoli. Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, you can't have broccoli. I'm actually not allergic to broccoli. oh really oh you can't have you can't have i'm actually not allergic to broccoli i'm not banter i'm like what the fuck fantastic fantastic

like that i just find weird i'm like why it's exclusively in and i find it maybe weird if my friends did that like every day because obviously me and my ex were talking every day seeing each other every day and there would always be something he lied about always and he's always like it's just banter i'm like but but it's not like he's like caught you and i'm like yeah but the stuff you're the stuff you're telling me is very believable and also like why would i be like oh yeah you did no yeah oh good one good one right we're going to question let's go to questions questions i'm serious i'm silly now mine's an interesting one tell me and i want you to think about it after i give it to you because i think you're gonna have a gut reaction okay so you don't you want me to i think okay really a little bit i want you to just okay think about it be patient do you think a

relationship let me start again yeah you missed it i got too excited yeah you did you should be yeah yeah telling me to wait do you think a relationship should be 100 honest 100 100 100%. 100% honest. No. I don't want to know about your ex. Like, no lies ever. I do not want to know that you once had a sex dream about someone.

Yeah. I don't want to know that. Yeah. I mean, I know Archie has. He can't. He can't have. I am the woman in his life. Yeah.

The fundamentals. Yeah. Of course. There needs to be trust there. Yes, yeah. But there are things about me that Arch will never know. And I'm not saying that as in a bad thing. No.

Just things in my past that that's for a woman's heart. That's for my life. You know, that's for me. Oh. You know, that's not being deceitful. No, no. But that's for my own soul and my own worth to be like that happened for you and that that made you who you are that also shaped your womanhood and that shaped you know

i don't have to start spilling my guts about stuff yeah that's not keeping things no no that's just me enjoying my my memories yeah yeah able to keep that for myself and that's a little door i can unlock you know. Interestingly, men are very different. Okay. Yeah. Like last week, men are for us, women are for Venus.

Yeah. I will reflect like, she nailed my life and all of this. You know, I'll say things to Arch like, you know, what did you think about this? He's like, honestly, no idea. I've forgotten.

Oh. Men are different. Men are different, yeah. So it's hard. I'm like hundred percent honest but actually no because there's surprisingly things for my birthday yeah there will be things yeah and be like be honest oh she always lies for presents like he does oh you know when we organize trips for each other yeah so 100 honest no you can't because there has to be surprise yeah there has to be an element of grace yeah you have to be convinced that your partner has never liked anyone else but you yeah and that is how I feel yeah that is how much feels yes

how about you what do you think I know I completely agree because I think at first I like I was like yes they should be I was like yeah they should but then there's also I do think as well like opinions I think imagine if like you met your boyfriend's family and they didn't like you. And then you asked, did they like me? And they go, no. I would want them to lie. I would want them to lie.

Imagine if like you've put on a bit of a... Or downplay it. After pregnancy or just in general. And you're like, oh, I really don't feel good. You know? And you have to be honest. And they're like, yeah, to be honest, you just don't look as good as you usually do.

A real man would be like, darling, you've been through so much, you look even more beautiful. Wouldn't I have any of that? No. Actually, that isn't a lie. A real man would say that and meet with his chest. Yeah. Right, my silly question.

Silly. It's fantastic. It's fantastic. Okay. Oh, it's ridiculous would you rather yeah be lied to by me yeah that your dress is tucked into your pants or or or you have to lie to me that my dress is tucked into my pants what yeah so i'm walking around the whole day. Yeah.

Me arse is out. Me arse is out. It's actually out. My arse is out. Boutique is out. Boutique is around. Me pants are on show. My dress is tucked into me knickknacks. Yeah.

And you're like, and I'm like, well, you're not even, like, I'm just like, oh, it's the breeze and you're letting me arse go out. Oh, I'm lying to you that it's not out. It's out.

It's out. Or I do it to you so you're walking around like a mug with my ass out you know your ass out and i'm last out down the fucking halls and you're like fucking dickhead i'm not gonna tell her and i'm like this is a i just got a spongebob pants on oh oh would you rather i'm no shade okay ta well i mean i would rather you have your ass out than me. Yeah, would you? I think people would be intimidated if I had my arse out.

Yeah, at least if my arse is out, people would just be thinking. But if yours is out, people would be... People might cry, actually, because they'd be like, I need it. Oh, do you know what? I need it. Do you know what? I thought you'd pick me.

And I'm going to come back from this. Yeah. I think I'd pick me as well. Would you? Yeah. And I'm going to come back from this. Yeah. I think I'd pick me as well. Would you? Yeah, because I think I can come back from it. I think you'd be upset. I think you'd be like, Kitty, I'm so embarrassed.

I think I would be if it was all day as well. And like everyone, every... I love it. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I can't believe it. I'm choosing you. If your arse is out, if your arse is out.

And I'm going like, seriously, like, is my arse out? And you're like, no. No, that's mean. I'd never do that to you. I would never do that to you. See, I would never do it to you,

but it would be entertaining if it was. Fuck me, it'd be hilarious if your booty was introduced. It would be funny. I'm like, I go to your parents for the weekend. My arse is out. And I'm like, guys,

and they're looking at me like, nothing's out. No, you're good. Like, you're short. You're like, yeah, you're good. All're sure you're like yeah you're good all good girl oh my god i love it i know i love it right guys thank you so much for a great episode yes have a lovely week enjoy the start of summer yes love you all so much have a great week see ya bye I've got a rebel soul. I've got a rebel soul. I've got a rebel soul. I've got a rebel soul.