The Deck - Carmen “CJ” DeLuca (Wild Card, Connecticut)
Episode Date: June 18, 2025Our card this week is Carmen "CJ" DeLuca, the Wild Card from Connecticut. When a man stopped to get gas in the middle of the night in 1985, he had no idea he was walking into the scene of a murder. T...he 23-year-old gas station attendant, Carmen “CJ” DeLuca, had been shot to death for seemingly no reason. But with no witnesses and no clear motive, police had no idea who killed him. He was a good guy with no known enemies, engaged to the love of his life, and planning a wedding that would never happen. It wasn’t until another customer walked into another gas station to get his morning coffee…and found another attendant shot that investigators were able to hone in on some suspects. Because their second victim was alive, he got a clear look at the man who shot him. But 40 years later, investigators haven’t been able to identify the shooter. They think they’re close, but time is running out as evidence, suspects, and memories are lost to time. They need someone to come forward and confirm their suspicions to get justice for CJ, his fiancé, and the life they never got to have together. If you have any information on the death of Carmen “CJ” DeLuca, please contact the Connecticut Cold Case Unit at 1-866-623-8058 or email cold.case@ct.gov.View source material and photos for this episode at: thedeckpodcast.com/carmen-deluca Let us deal you in… follow The Deck on social media.Instagram: @thedeckpodcast | @audiochuckTwitter: @thedeckpodcast_ | @audiochuckFacebook: /TheDeckPodcast | /audiochuckllcTo support Season of Justice and learn more, please visit seasonofjustice.org.The Deck is hosted by Ashley Flowers. Instagram: @ashleyflowersTikTok: @ashleyflowerscrimejunkieTwitter: @Ash_FlowersFacebook: /AshleyFlowers.AFText Ashley at 317-733-7485 to talk all things true crime, get behind the scenes updates, and more!
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Our card this week is Carmen C.J. DeLuca, a deck wildcard.
Gas station attendant Carmen DeLuca was just 23 years old and recently engaged when he
was shot to death in the middle of his night shift in 1985.
His murder was part of a spree of crimes at other Connecticut gas stations. And there were clues that held promise.
An Adidas sneaker print, a hat dropped by a fleeing assailant, and a confidential informant
who seemed to have the answers.
But 40 years later, police are still waiting for that one person with more information
to come forward to finally help them bring his killer to justice.
I'm Ashley Flowers, the middle
of the night.
In fact, Dina, who lived with her fiancee outside of Springfield, Massachusetts, was used to
it.
Her fiance, Carmen DeLuca, who went by CJ, managed a 24-hour gas station called the Gas
and Safe in East Windsor, Connecticut.
So if one of the overnight employees needed something, he was the guy they would call. But CJ was the one manning the register the night of September 12,
1985. He'd recently fired their usual overnight guy, and so he was subbing in for him.
That made it a little strange when the phone rang at around 3 a.m.
When she answered, Dina heard an unfamiliar voice
asking for CJ.
She told the person he wasn't home, he was at work,
and then the line just went dead.
And that made Dina worry.
So she picked the phone back up and dialed the gas station,
and her worry wasn't for nothing.
I tried to call the station and it just rang and rang and rang.
And you just get that feeling, right?
Dina didn't ignore that feeling.
She jumped in her car and drove straight to the gas and save,
which was about a half an hour away and over the Connecticut border.
They come around the corner and it was just surrounded by police cars and such.
I don't remember all of what happened in the period following that.
It was all very chaotic."
The area around the gas station was roped off and
police stopped Dina from getting any closer.
They told the stunned 22-year-old that a man had been found dead inside the gas station.
Though Deena's memories are hazy, she remembers one moment clearly.
As she tried to wrap her mind around the idea that her fiance was dead, she dialed the phone
again calling CJ's parents.
I remember having trouble getting the words out.
It was his father that I talked to,
and he just said, I'm on my way.
As CJ's parents made the drive to the gas and safe,
police were collecting whatever information they could.
They started by talking to the customer who'd found CJ
and who'd called police, a man named Vincent.
He told police that he'd been on his way home
when he stopped to get gas at around 2.30 a.m.
There was no attendant outside at the full service station,
and the pump was off.
So he went inside looking for help,
and immediately he spotted a young man
lying face down on the floor.
He couldn't see any obvious injuries or even blood,
but as he got closer,
he saw a frothy substance on the man's mouth.
He ran outside to his car, got a dime for the payphone,
and then called for police who responded to the scene within minutes.
Now, police quickly confirmed CJ was dead, and a medical examiner determined the cause
was a single gunshot wound that entered his back.
Police called in the state police major crimes unit,
and when detectives scoured the area for evidence,
they found a footprint at the scene that they determined
was consistent with a specific style of Adidas sneakers.
But they didn't find anything else.
There were no shell casings and no security footage,
being that it was 1985.
So as investigators addressed the scene,
their first assumption was, of course, a robbery.
A night shift store clerk shot
while banning the cash register.
Money must be the motive, right?
But whoever shot CJ didn't seem to take anything
except maybe two boom boxes that were missing.
There was no sign of a struggle.
The drawer in the cash register
was still full, and the store's stock of food, lottery tickets, and cigarettes all
seemed undisturbed. CJ even still had cash in his pockets. He didn't have an ID with
him, though. That's actually why Dina got that terrifying wake-up call. Police didn't
know who their victim was, so they had tried calling a number that they found
for the store manager. While police processed the crime scene, Dina waited for CJ's family in a
nearby hotel lobby. By this point, the sun was starting to rise, people were starting to head
to work, and police were about to get a call about another crime. A man had called police and said that just before 6 a.m.,
he had walked into a gas station in a town called Orange.
This is about an hour from CJ's store.
He went in to grab his usual morning coffee
and stood waiting at the register for a moment,
wondering why no one was behind the counter to ring him up.
And that's when suddenly a hand reached up
and slammed on the counter.
When the customer peered over,
he saw the gas station attendant on the ground.
And to responding police,
it was clear that the man had been shot.
When they called in the state police major crimes unit,
who were already on the scene at CJ station,
detectives got this gut feeling right away.
The two shootings must be connected.
Here's cold case detective Scott Roberts with the East Windsor PD,
who is now lead investigator on CJ's case.
You don't typically get that in sleepy Connecticut.
In two separate towns that aren't known for having a lot of shootings,
it was just highly likely that they were or could be possibly connected.
Some of the detectives working CJ's homicide
left East Windsor to go check out the scene in orange
to see if they seemed similar.
And they did notice a lot of things in common
between the two incidents.
Two young men manning the register at gas stations,
working alone in the middle of the night, who had been shot.
But there were a couple of glaring differences.
One, money was taken in this second case.
And two, the victim in that second case was still alive.
The man who was shot in the second incident told police that his name was Craig Sutton.
Even with a serious injury, Craig survived and was able to tell police what happened
to him.
He said that a man had come into the store alone and pulled out a handgun.
He pointed it at him and said, this is it, give me the money. So Craig turned
toward the register, opened it, and he hears one gunshot, but he doesn't realize
that he's hit. So he grabs a cash drawer, places it on top of the counter. Suspect
tells him, hurry up, get me the money or I'll shoot you again. The suspect ran
into an open field where he was picked up by a silver-colored full-size early
70s Cadillac. He entered the passenger side showing that he was picked up by a silver-colored full-size, early 70s Cadillac.
He entered the passenger side,
showing that he was one of two suspects and not the driver.
Before Craig collapsed, he tried to take in every detail
he could about his attacker.
He said he was black, between five feet eight
and six feet tall, thin, maybe 18 to 25 years old.
And he took note of what he was wearing.
He was wearing a black silk over his head,
commonly referred to as a durag,
and a light brown hip-length leather jacket with dark pants.
Craig also told police that the guy was wearing
a black hat when he shot him,
but that he saw that hat fall off of his attacker's head
as he ran out.
He was wearing that black painter's cap,
but he described it as kind of like a Pittsburgh Pirates
baseball cap, which was recovered.
Police found the hat right outside of the gas station,
laying in the grass.
It was taken into evidence and processed
as part of Craig's case.
But whatever processing was done on the hat
was done with 1980s technology.
Now, they were able to find some hairs,
determined that some of those hairs were human,
and then they tried to test what was described
as a crusty substance on the hat,
but none of it resulted in any new information
about their suspect.
So it was packed away as evidence
as police tried other avenues to ID this person.
They started by canvassing the area, and while they found witnesses who saw a Cadillac with
two men inside, no one got a good look at them.
However, they did find out something interesting.
An attendant at another local gas station said that he saw a similar Cadillac with at
least two people in it driving by his gas station
multiple times that night, almost like they were checking it out to potentially rob. If these were their guys,
it seemed like they might be on a spree.
The problem is he didn't get a good look at the men either, so investigators were left to go off of Craig's description.
They put together a composite sketch and they put that out to the community.
If they could identify Craig's shooter, that might mean that they were one step closer to solving CJ's case, too.
And as CJ's family prepared for his funeral, detectives were trying to connect the dots between the two cases.
At an autopsy conducted shortly after CJ's death,
a bullet was recovered from his body.
One bullet, in perfect condition,
had pierced his aorta, lung, and liver.
Doctors had recovered a bullet from Craig, too.
Both were.38 caliber bullets that could have been fired
from at least six different kinds of guns,
including a Ruger or a Smith and Wesson revolver.
Whether it was the same.38 caliber firearm
was the big question.
So they sent the bullets out to the lab
for a more exact comparison.
But as they waited for those results,
they had yet another incident to investigate.
Only two days after CJ and Craig were shot,
another AMPM convenience store was robbed
in the nearby town of Windsor.
This attack had a much different MO, though. The clerk told police that a young black man
had walked into the store, picked out a can of Pepsi, put it on the counter, shoved her,
and then robbed her of about $300. But in this case, he never brought out a gun. The
man she saw also jumped into a waiting vehicle that sped off.
But this time, police were on their tail.
They were called quickly, and officers who were nearby caught up to the suspect's car.
The suspects engaged the Windsor police in a high-speed chase.
Chase ended in Hartford.
Two suspects were separated after exiting the vehicle once it stopped.
And by stop, he means the car crashed.
The pair split up, running in different directions, and got away.
Turns out the car they were in was stolen, and had a license plate on it that was stolen
from a completely different car.
So they had no way to figure out who these guys were.
It seemed like detectives might be back to square one.
But then, 12 days after CJ's murder, they got what they were looking for. Solid
proof that even though CJ wasn't robbed, his death was linked to the second shooting.
Ballistics testing confirmed that CJ and Craig were both shot by the exact same gun, though what kind of 38
caliber gun still remained a mystery as the testing didn't narrow that down. But the bigger
question now was who fired it? Even with an eyewitness and a sketch of their suspect,
detectives were at a loss. No one was coming forward saying they recognized the guy in the sketch,
were at a loss. No one was coming forward saying they recognized
the guy in the sketch, at least not until October.
That's when detectives on the third case
sat down with a confidential informant who said
they knew who robbed that woman at the AMPM,
and they know who killed CJ.
The names they gave were William Spikes and Douglas Whitehead.
Both men were from the Hartford area, within an hour's drive of all three incidents.
They both recently had been released from prison.
Spikes had served half of his 14-year sentence for manslaughter,
and Whitehead had gotten out after serving time for a string of robberies.
The two men had known each other since childhood, had served time together in prison.
And according to this informant, they were roommates now
and had been carrying out robberies
in different parts of the state.
Now the detectives who interviewed this informant
didn't take note of how this person knew the men.
But based on the statement that they gave,
Detective Roberts said it seemed like the informant at least knew Spikes well, and had this guy's trust.
Because apparently, Spikes had allegedly taken credit for a few crimes during conversations
with this informant, including CJ's murder.
And the informant further stated that Spikes had told him that he and Whitehead robbed
an all-night gas station in East Windsor right next to the highway, and that Spikes had told him that he and Whitehead robbed an all-night gas station in East Windsor right next to the highway and that Spikes told him that he had shot
that boy. That was in quotes. The informant explained that Spikes told him about the East
Windsor shooting around the end of September and that Spikes and Whitehead both wore sneakers,
which were either Adidas or Pumas, and that he had personally saw Spikes with the.38
or.357 handgun shortly after the East Windsor homicide.
So this was a substantive lead that had legs.
Since both men had criminal records, detectives had access to photos and fingerprints for both of them.
And when they looked them up, Whitehead's fingerprints placed him at at least one of the stores,
the third gas station that had been hit.
Remember how the clerk said that the guy
grabbed a can of Pepsi before robbing her?
Well, that turned out to be a big mistake
because that soda can was covered in prints,
Whitehead's prints.
It was also clear from the jump that Whitehead,
not Spikes, looked a lot like the guy in the sketch.
Spikes was an extremely large guy, so you wouldn't mistake him for the description that was given.
He was 6'3".
He was a big boy.
6'3", 265 pounds, and he looked all of it.
He was a big guy.
It seemed to police like Spikes was the getaway driver, while Whitehead was in charge of whatever
went down inside.
By the time police got this information, Whitehead was living in Hartford with his girlfriend.
So detectives approached him there and served him with a warrant for the third crime, where
they had his prints.
When they brought him in, Whitehead immediately started talking.
He confessed to the third robbery right away, I mean, which they pretty much had him dead
to rights on anyway.
Whitehead indicated that he knew this was coming.
He went on to say that he just felt that he was made for the Windsor robbery and expected
to be arrested for said crime.
Whitehead responded that he knew when he grabbed that can it was the wrong f----- thing to do."
During his confession, he also confirmed the exact amount stolen from the cash drawer.
He told police how he and Spikes stole the car that they used that day and then stole
plates from another vehicle to disguise the stolen car.
"...he pretty much gave it all up."
Well, on that one case, at least.
Police said he wasn't as forthcoming about the other two incidents — CJ's murder and
the second shooting.
He said he didn't kill anyone, and he didn't know of spikes killing anyone.
CJ was killed in September, and Whitehead reportedly said that he wasn't even in the
state at the time, that he had gotten on a bus to New York City after
he robbed the woman at the AMPM. And he said he hadn't seen spikes since, not even to give him his
half of money from that robbery. And this part gets a little bit confusing because it seems like
maybe a clerical error gave Whitehead an alibi here. So Whitehead is allegedly telling police
that he left for New York City right after
that Pepsi can clerk shoving robbery, right?
But it seems like investigators at the time
took that as a solid alibi for CJ's murder,
even though that makes no sense.
Police noted in their report that Whitehead was already in New York City before CJ's murder.
But the Pepsi can robbery was the third one, two days after CJ's murder and Craig's
shooting.
Meaning that Whitehead wasn't in New York yet when CJ was killed.
He didn't even have an alibi at all.
Whitehead ended up being charged with the one robbery that he admitted to, and he went
back to prison until 1990.
Spikes was never even interviewed about Craig or CJ's shootings.
And that was it.
Even though there weren't any investigative leads pointing to any other suspects, it seems
like the investigation just stalled there.
It wasn't until 2014 that Detective Roberts took a fresh look at a bunch of cold cases,
including CJ's. I mean, his seemed so close. Like, if he could just dedicate the time,
he could solve this case once and for all.
And at this point, he was a new detective, so he was in a unique position.
He didn't have a backlog of cases yet.
And it's the only time when you're a detective that you actually have time to look into these
things because once you start the detective position rolling, the cases never stop.
The follow-ups never stop.
So this was me with a fresh, clean slate.
And I'm like, you know what?
I want to take a look at that.
When I looked at it initially, I'm like, this has some solvability factors.
Like, this would be really cool to bring this across the finish line for this family, you
know?
You look at the case overall and you start saying, okay, what do I have for evidence?
What do I have for witnesses?
What do I have for leads?
What's the solvability factors?
And that's how you kind of approach these cold cases.
And you start seeing things like that hat,
that hat that was left behind.
You're like, I need to get my hands on that hat
because with new technology with DNA,
I mean, there's a high likelihood
that we could get something."
We've had evidence techs tell us before that hats are particularly great for DNA.
Hair can be left in them, skin can collect around the interior.
Detective Roberts hoped that new technology could forensically link Whitehead to Craig's shooting,
and if it did, CJ's wouldn't be a far reach.
So, excited, he went to go find the hat to have it retested.
But we probably wouldn't be here if that had worked, right?
It turns out that hat had been destroyed.
The hat essentially was extremely important.
I really thought that that was the key,
is if we could find that hat with today's technology,
it might be a partial profile,
but we'll get something off of it.
It could have been the game changer.
Since the hat was found at the scene of Craig's shooting,
not CJ's murder,
it was only classified in association with a robbery.
And evidence pertaining to robberies
has a statute of limitations in Connecticut.
And time on that had run out.
Department policy was to destroy evidence that the statute of limitations had run out
on.
So even though this hat was evidence in a robbery directly linked to a homicide, it
was never officially considered evidence in CJ's murder. I think there were so many hands in the pot that I feel like everybody thought somebody
else was doing something and it never got done.
It's like driving by a crash and saying, somebody will call.
Well, if everybody's driving by that crash and saying somebody will call, well, nobody's
going to call.
I don't want to throw them under the bus. But with any interagency investigations, there's always that lack or lapse in communication.
And if you don't have the key players involved, that information starts to fade away.
And of course, I mean, we're a 24-hour business where crime never stops.
So it's on to the next and on to the next.
And I think that that one got closed out or put on the shelf
and there was no note that was put into it
to keep it as part of our case.
I think that that's something that maybe we could have done.
We should have done better.
Once we had the ballistic comparisons
of the bullets that were recovered,
which linked both crimes,
I would have hoped that we would have maybe seized that
or tried to preserve that in some way,
but coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Having hit a forensic dead end,
Detective Roberts tried to go right to the main suspects instead,
Spikes and Whitehead.
But when he tried to track Whitehead down,
he hit another, very permanent wall.
He ended up dying in 1994.
Even Craig, the survivor of the second shooting, had passed away too.
And that confidential informant?
The initial detectives never documented who they were or how to find them.
But there is a glimmer of hope.
Detective Roberts had some hunches about who that confidential tip might have come from.
He suspected that even though the informant was referred to as he and him in the report,
this unknown person may have been Whitehead's girlfriend at the time.
Roberts tracked her to Vermont and drove up to talk to her.
They sat down in the common room of her apartment building.
But if she was the informant once upon a time, she wasn't going to
take the role this time around. She said she didn't know anything about a murder. She told
Detective Roberts that she had never heard Whitehead admit to CJ's murder, and she certainly never told
any detectives that. She was under the impression that Whitehead was in prison at the time of CJ's
death, something police know not to be true based on his record.
Overall, her interview wasn't helpful, but she wasn't Detective Roberts' only option.
He was the first person on this case who made an effort to talk to Spikes.
Roberts told our reporter that investigators in the 80s didn't have enough to bring Spikes
in for questioning.
It seemed like investigators were waiting to confront him
until they had more.
But Detective Roberts felt, at least at this point,
like they'd waited long enough.
The problem is that you never want to interview
a primary suspect in a case without having any information.
We were trying to develop an information pool
that was deeper than what we had,
and all we had was a puddle.
In October of 2021, we threw a Hail Mary and decided,
well, Whitehead's deceased,
so we don't have information from him.
But maybe with Spikes knowing that,
he would be willing to talk about
maybe Whitehead's involvement if he was involved.
Spikes had been in and out of jail
for small-time larcenies,
but was living in East Hartford
when Detective Roberts tracked him down.
He described himself as a hustler and a car thief.
He didn't have many friends because he would steal from them,
so he's saying that he's pretty much a bad dude.
Nobody trusted him.
He would steal from anybody.
It didn't matter, because he was just so big.
He would just take it.
He admitted that he did a robbery
with Whitehead and Windsor,
which corroborated Whitehead saying that Spikes was with him.
This dude's like, whatever,
and admits that he was once caught
with a 22 caliber handgun,
but explained that he didn't carry a gun
because his size was enough.
And that's his quote.
My size was enough. He said's his quote. My size was enough.
He said guns were too bulky and too loud.
But he didn't admit to knowing anything about CJ's murder,
even when detectives tried to give him an opening
to pin it on Whitehead.
We tried to walk him down the path.
We're like, you know, I don't know if you know this,
but, you know, Whitehead's deceased.
And, you know, sometimes you want to try
and give somebody an owl.
Even if he implicated him and said,
well, yeah, I was with him when he did this,
we were kind of hoping he was going to say,
yeah, I was driving.
He went and shot that guy, but he never touched it.
And he never touched it when we talked to him either.
We'd been trying to track down spikes
throughout our reporting process.
And right as we were about to record this episode, our reporter Taylor tried a different
number for him. One that he picked up. And he said he'd answer any questions we had.
He said he was in Connecticut at the time of CJ's murder, and was pretty candid about
what he was up to back in the 80s. He was like, yeah, I've committed a lot of crimes.
I've stolen a lot of cars.
He said that he was with Whitehead when they did the Pepsi can robbery.
But he said he wasn't involved in CJ's murder and didn't know who was,
and said that Whitehead wasn't violent or known to carry a gun.
When asked about the fact that his name had come up so often in connection to CJ's murder,
he said, and I quote,
I keep telling them they're chasing the wrong guy.
End quote.
So we hit the same roadblock police have.
At this point, police have not been able
to track down anyone who could move their case forward.
There was just nobody willing to go on the record,
and maybe that's because so much time had passed
in that nobody was really affected
that was in the circle of people
that they were wronged enough
that they wanted to come forward.
I mean, people usually are only motivated
by things that affect them personally, right?
These are strangers that are getting robbed or shot
or whatever, as far as this group is concerned.
So what's the play?
Why are you gonna put yourself out on a limb for that?
Detective Roberts said that as hard as he's tried
to solve this case, as hopeful as he's been at times,
he does need someone to come forward
if they're ever gonna get justice for CJ.
It's frustrating because nobody saw this happening.
It seems like a senseless crime.
You have a person who's dead with nothing stolen
and no known enemies, working a double shift
because he's just a good dude,
and he winds up dead and for what?
It's frustrating as an investigator
because we get in this profession
because we want to put guilty persons in jail
and we want to make sure that innocent persons
aren't put in jail. I want to be sure that innocent persons aren't put in jail.
I want to be 100% positive that the person is who is responsible for the crime, you know?
And right now we're just not at that, we're not at that point. So if there's somebody out there
that knows what happened, we need to rely on that person to come forward with some information
that wasn't disseminated that would help really crack this case forward.
And if the person who was deceased was responsible for it, at least we could bring closure to it.
But if that person's still out walking around, well then, you know, maybe we can develop a case
that could put that person behind bars and bring justice to the family.
To Detective Roberts, Dina has played a pivotal role in continuing to push this case forward.
She and CJ were in their early 20s when he was killed.
They'd been in love for years and had planned for a lifetime together that Dina still mourns.
She still wants to know what happened to her late fiancé and for someone to finally be
held accountable.
Dina went on to marry another man, raise children,
and move to a quiet lake in New York
where she now watches her grandchildren grow.
But she's never forgotten her first love.
She visits CJ's grave when she goes back to Massachusetts
and she thinks about CJ all the time.
The 30th anniversary of CJ's death hit her especially hard.
With CJ's parents now deceased,
Dina feels like she's one of the last people still pushing
for answers.
She's reading the case file over and over, digging through records herself and checking
in with detectives for updates, reminding them that someone still cared, that someone
is still waiting for justice.
And she decided it was time to tell her children about her first love so she could push even harder.
My husband and I sat them down and said this is something that mom's gonna be spending some time on
and you're gonna hear about it because there were local news stories and things were printed.
And she has been spending time on it. She has been digging and digging.
But CJ has now been gone nearly twice as many years as he lived.
As another decade gone gets closer and closer, it's hard for her to imagine how it might
feel to finally solve his murder.
I don't know if I've actually let my mind go there.
It's just, it feels like too much to hope for. I was very hopeful 10 years ago,
but so much has been lost over the years.
So I don't know that I've even let my mind go there.
It just feels like one of those things
that you want to take care of before you can't.
Dina's persistence, her commitment to justice for CJ,
has encouraged detectives to keep at it too. I am. Dina's persistence, her commitment to justice for CJ,
has encouraged detectives to keep at it too.
And they're gonna keep trying for CJ and for Dina.
She was grateful that we had reinvigorated it,
that we had started pushing forward,
trying to find more information on the case.
And unfortunately, what we find
with most of these cold cases
is that time just kind of
wipes a lot of it out. Whether it's memories or evidence or things being destroyed, if we can bring
resolve to this, if this interview brings one person forward that can help take this across the
finish line, that will be the best day ever. And I'm sure it'll be magical for Dina to know that
it never died. It never died. Investigators are still looking to talk to anyone who has information
about Carmen C.J. DeLuca's death. So if you know anything, please contact the Connecticut Cold Case Unit at 1-866-623-8058,
or you can email them at cold.case at ct.gov.
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So what do you think, Chuck?
Do you approve?
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