The Deck - Daphne Hope (8 of Spades, Colorado)

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

Our card this week is Daphne Hope, the 8 of Spades from Colorado. In the summer of 2001, Daphne Hope vanished… and for over seven long years, her case disappeared into the reams of files at the Denver Police Department. And even when new detectives did start digging, no one has been able to piece together exactly what happened to Daphne. Over the years, theories about her disappearance have varied wildly – from sex work and drug deals to a serial killer. There was even speculation that Daphne wasn’t missing at all, that she was hiding in protective custody. And then there’s the man she lived with at the time – what might he know about her disappearance? If you have any information about the disappearance of Daphne Hope in August of 2001, please get in touch with Detective Jason McDonald of the Aurora Police Department at 303-739-6013, or you can email him at: [e-mail] View source material and photos for this episode at: thedeckpodcast.com/daphne-hopeLet us deal you in… follow The Deck on social media.Instagram: @thedeckpodcast | @audiochuckTwitter: @thedeckpodcast_ | @audiochuckFacebook: /TheDeckPodcast | /audiochuckllcTo support Season of Justice and learn more, please visit seasonofjustice.org.The Deck is hosted by Ashley Flowers. Instagram: @ashleyflowersTikTok: @ashleyflowerscrimejunkieTwitter: @Ash_FlowersFacebook: /AshleyFlowers.AFText Ashley at 317-733-7485 to talk all things true crime, get behind the scenes updates, and more! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Our card this week is Daphne Hope, the eight of spades from Colorado. In the summer of 2001, Daphne Hope vanished. And for over seven long years, her case disappeared into the reams of files at the Denver Police Department. And even when new detectives did start digging, no one has been able to piece together exactly what happened to Daphne. Over the years, theories about her disappearance have varied widely, from, sex work and drug deals to a serial killer. There was even speculation that Daphne wasn't missing at all, that she was hiding in protective custody.

And then there's the man she lived with at the time. What might he know about her disappearance? I'm Ashley Flowers, and this is the deck. In November of 2008, the Aurora Police Department started looking into a seven-year-old missing person's case, that of 34. four-year-old Daphne Hope. The case had just been transferred from the Denver PD, who had discovered while moving older files to a new database that Daphne had technically gone missing from Aurora.

So Denver had sent over a letter and a one-page file, both which contained old details about the case, along with some recent follow-up. The detective that came across this case and realized it needed to go to us did do a social security number check on Daphne to see if there had been any activity in the last seven years, and there was none. That's Detective Jason McDonald of the Aurora Police Department. Now, he didn't start working Daphne's case until September of 2025. And he was able to dig into the limited detective notes from 2008 to share what the

Aurora team had to work with, including other information that stood out. Daphne still had an outstanding warrant in the system, so we knew from that, that she hadn't been contacted by any law enforcement for the last seven years. She had been reported missing by her cousin Maureen in the summer of 2001. Detective McDonald explained that Maureen had plans to see Daphne on August 10th for a hair appointment. And that's when Maureen went to Daphne's residence and she wasn't home. And the person who actually answered the door was a friend named Brian. And Brian hadn't seen Daphne either.

and he was concerned about her whereabouts. It was a bit odd that Brian was at the house because he didn't live there. Maureen knew that Daphne lived there with her boyfriend, Gary. But Brian offered to call Gary right then to see if he knew where she was. When they got him on the phone, Gary told Maureen something concerning, that Daphne had gotten into a confrontation with some people that involved a drug deal gone bad. But that was basically it. He didn't know where she was now, no real concrete explanation as to half,

how that confrontation ended, just she hadn't come home. It was unusual for Daphne to just disappear like that. She wasn't a runaway in the past. She didn't have a history of just disappearing and coming back under unusual circumstances. When three more days had passed, though, and no one had heard from Daphne, another one of her cousins, Lisa, decided to call the Aurora PD and just asked them to do a welfare check. And they knocked and they didn't get any response. nobody seemed to be home.

Entry wasn't made into the residence. There weren't circumstances that met that kind of entry at this point. But then on August 16th, three days later, still with no contact with Daphne from family, they got her entered as a missing person with Denver police. So just to be clear, two police departments were being contacted around the same time. The cities of Aurora and Denver are right next to each other. Daphne had actually lived in both at one point or an end. another. The Aurora PD did a welfare check first, then Maureen filed a missing person report

with the Denver PD. And while there is some record in the Denver file of them checking in on the case over the years, it's unclear if they ever did a larger in-depth investigation into Daphne's disappearance. Hence, the only couple of pages Denver called a case file that got passed on to Aurora. Our team reached out to Denver PD to see if maybe something had gotten left out. I mean, like, help us help you, right? Give us anything that details your investigation or the steps you took to find Daphne. But all they told us was that after a good faith search, they were unable to locate any records related to Daphne Hope. And listen, like, we have great relationships with a lot of police departments, but some people just don't want to play ball. So we even

asked Detective McDonald to check with Denver, thinking maybe he would have more luck, cop to cop, you know. But they couldn't find anything for him. either. It's as if, just like Daphne, any record of her case had vanished. Back in 2008, after getting the two-page report of Daphne, Aurora PD assigned Detective Stephen Connor to start an investigation and see if he could get more answers. And he had an uphill battle, not just because of how old the case was, but because he felt strongly that Daphne was no longer alive. But even with that grim thought, Detective Jason McDonald said that Connor started his investigation off like any other.

Detective still had to go through the steps that we would on a fresh missing person case, which is contacting the reporting party, contacting family members that we can find, anybody associated to the missing person to try to find out more about them and where they could have gone or what happened to them. So in December of 2008, Detective Connor started with Daphne's cousins, Maureen and Lisa. Maureen told him about what Gary said, the thing about a drug deal gone bad. But it turns out she hadn't just heard that from Gary. Daphne herself had told Maureen that she'd stolen some money or drugs from a group of people.

Now, Lisa told Detective Connor that Daphne had a history of drug use and both acknowledged that Daphne would sometimes do sex work, which Detective Connor already knew from reviewing her record. She actually had past charges for prostitution. But even if Daphne had decided to lay low for a day or two, she would have never stayed gone. Because another cousin of Daphne's, Michelle Quattlebaum told us that there was one thing she would never just leave behind.

Daphne would have never chosen to leave her son unless it kept him safe. She would never just say, I'm done being a mom, I'm going to go away now. Daphne actually said that the single greatest thing that she accomplished was having her son. So being a mom was the thing that she was most proud of in her life. Michelle told us that Daphne didn't think she could have children. So when she finally got pregnant, she was overjoyed.

She named her son Awesome. And when Daphne went missing, Awesome was living with his dad's family in Denver. while Daphne was in Aurora with Gary. And that's Gary, who, at least according to those Denver PD records that had been sent over, hadn't been the one to report his live-in girlfriend missing. So guess who Detective Connor went to track down next? Our detective was able to call Gary Sterling and got him by phone to agree to come to the station for an interview. Detective McDonald explained our reporting team that in December of 2008,

Detective Connor was able to make contact with Daphne's on-again, off-again boyfriend, Gary Sterling, the guy who lived with Daphne when she went missing. So Gary explained his relationship with Daphne, how long he'd known her, which was for some time, that they were friends, that they'd been on and off romantically. Gary really expressed how she was like the love of his life and that he truly was depressed about her disappearance and really was kind of clueless on what happened to her. Gary told Detective Connor about the last time he saw Daphne. Now, he didn't give a date or anything,

but Gary said that his friend Brian Wilson was over at the house. And this is the same Brian who Maureen told police she had met when she went looking for her cousin on August 10th. Brian had allegedly just broken up with his girlfriend, and he was feeling down and out. And he asked Gary and Daphne if they knew a girl, that could come over and keep him company. And they, in fact, knew a woman named Sadie,

and Gary went and picked her up, brought Sadie back to the house, and Sadie and Brian, they didn't hit it off. I guess their conversation went stagnant, and Sadie has to go home. And so Gary drove Sadie back home, and when he returned, oh, by the way, Brian left the house.

Gary then drove Sadie home. When Gary came back, Daphne was gone. And that was the last time Gary had seen Daphne. It's unclear if Sadie was just a friend or if, like, keeping him company meant something else. But Gary told the police everything was as he left it when he returned from dropping her off. It just no Daphne.

But he did think that she would be back soon because he said that her purse was still there. And so I think looking at the evidence in that lens, it makes it look like somebody called, her outside, somebody she knew, she met somebody just for a short period of time and things went arrived from there. Though Gary never called any of Daphne's family to tell them that he couldn't find her, he says he did call Aurora Pedy about Daphne in the days after she went missing.

He says he did. He says he called the police and they told him, since you're not a relative, we can't take a report from you. A relative has to report her missing. That's what Gary says police told him. He says he also called police the first time that he called police. They told him it hasn't been long enough. You need to wait a couple more days.

And so he says he called twice. Detective Connor, when he looked at this in 2008, could not find any calls from his residence or Gary's phone number to the police department to make any said reports. Gary ended up writing out a statement for police, recounting what he said he remembers from 2001. And it's strange. One of the first things he mentions is that Daphne had told him she might not be around in the near future.

Here's an actor reading from Gary's statement. A few weeks before Daphne disappeared, we were sitting, relaxing, and having a drink. And she said, Sterling, I've got to leave for a little while. But I'll be back. She said, I saw this ad in this X-rated paper and sent in a response to the ad and received a correspondence. She mentioned the Colorado Springs area and said it involved the money she needed to pursue her dream. She also mentioned an alias that she would be going by

and told me to remember the alias, which I forgot. I mean, it was a simple name, Carla, Shimon, something simple. Gary had also mentioned a few other people who Daphne had been mixed up with before she went missing. A week or so before Daphne disappeared, she and another female named Jackie got into an argument at the Flair Club on Montview Boulevard and Clinton. The argument started over a pimp drug dealer named Pablo, who had offered Daphne a ride that night to my house. Daphne came home that night and told me the next morning about what had happened.

She said, Sterling, you won't believe how Jackie acted last night. She said, I've been knowing this guy Pablo for a long time, and last night I ran into Pablo at the Flair Club. She said, we talked in the club for a while. It was getting late, and he offered him. me a ride home. I said, yeah. Then she said, when they approached his car, Jackie ran out of the club, started cussing me out, calling me all kinds of holes, and said I needed to take my ass back to Gary's house. She said that she told Pablo to forget it. She just walked to my house, and she did. She told me that the next morning. Jackie supposedly had seen Daphne being given to some people by Pablo and that those people took Daphne away.

Jackie comes back over to my house and tells me that she feels bad. I asked her about what? And she said, I'm mad at Pablo. We got into it because I told him he needs to tell them people about Daphne. I said, what happened to Daphne? She said, Pablo shouldn't have did that girl like that. He took her to this Mexican that was parked and waiting on the Potomac in Colfax and gave her to him. And they took her.

And the six trade business, women are currency and are traded as currency. And so this idea of Daphne being given to some guy that's waiting in a car and he takes off with her, that's legitimate type of stuff. That happens. The idea is that Pablo might have been involved in the illegal drug trade or organized crime. Although Gary also told police that Pablo himself had turned up with Jackie looking for Daphne after she. disappeared. And they were looking for anybody that knew anything about Daphne to see what they knew. And Gary found that very suspicious, and he felt like maybe they had something to do with

her disappearance. The problem for the Aurora PD, though, was that Gary didn't have any more information about Pablo or Jackie, not even a last name that would help with any real follow-up. But Gary wasn't done. He had one more lead for detectives. This one, he says, from Daphne's brother Preston. Although Gary had gotten his name wrong, he referred to her brother as both Sheldon or Sheldon within the same story.

When Preston was in jail at one point in Denver, he was really upset about Daphne being missing and that nobody's finding her. And Preston said that somebody came into his cell to get him to quiet down about it. It was either detectives or the FBI. He didn't know. but somebody said, stop ranting and raving about Daphne.

She's fine. She's in protective custody. Obviously, this seems unlikely. We did ask Detective Connor about this, and he pointed out that in his mind, if this were true, any inquiry into Daphne would have raised a red flag within any government agency protecting her.

And when Connor did eventually interview Preston, he denied Gary's story. And while he didn't have much more to add, he was able to provide a DNA sample that could be used to help identify his sister if Daphne's remains were ever found. Now, there was one more thing Gary told police, something that didn't make it into his written statement. He basically said, hey, listen, you might hear a rumor that my neighbor saw me digging in my backyard, which is like a weird thing to offer up because by that point, he also pointed out that the neighbor had moved out and wasn't around anymore. So,

had Daphne really just disappeared from the house while Gary was driving another woman home? Only one way to find out. Talk to Brian and Sadie, right? Those people who were supposedly there, the last night Gary saw Daphne. Well, here was the problem with that. Brian, he was nowhere to be found,

and Detective Connor put an attempt to locate in the Colorado database for him. And then it turns out that he passed away before we were ever able to make contact with Brian. So that's somebody we can't follow up with to find out what he truly knew about Daphne's disappearance, if he had anything to do with it or not. That left Sadie, who, by the way,

they didn't even have a last name for. Actually, in 2008, they didn't even have a first name for her. Gary couldn't remember it. It only came to him in a 2025 interview with Detective McDonald. But even then, he didn't know her last name or how to find her. But there was one big thing Detective Connor could do, search Gary's place. He was still living in the same house that Daphne had disappeared from seven years prior.

The same house with the same yard where a neighbor maybe saw Gary once digging, according to Gary. And Connor had heard another story from Daphne's cousin Maureen, one that made him extra interested in getting inside that place. Maureen said that earlier that summer, before Daphne went missing, she and a friend hid from police in the basement of Gary's home. There was this crawl space area down there. And at one point after Daphne disappeared, the family thought that that area might be worth taking a closer look at.

At first, Gary was cool with Daphne's family going to look in the basement. But then, he backpedaled. Wouldn't let him. So the Aurora Pedy told Gary they wanted to search his property. And on December 18, 2008, a warrant in hand, they arrived at his house. Rather than whip the search warrant out, they actually had Gary sign a consent to search, and he was happy to do so. This would be the first time this property would be searched. An outside company used ground penetrating radar, both inside and outside.

Although the search wasn't without hiccups. Snow in the backyard made the GPA results less accurate, and the conditions inside. were somehow even worse. I understand Gary's house was a total nightmare, just a mess, like hoarder-type mess. We have no way to account for what's gone missing over the last seven years. What items Daphne left behind

versus if they're still there, where they went? We just don't know. Seven years is a long time to pass, certainly with people living in that house, things are going to change on a daily basis. And so being behind the end. eight ball with a seven-year gap really hamstrung us. While no remains were found, Detective Connor told our reporter that a purse was found in the basement.

But they don't know if it was Daphne's purse. And even if it was, that wouldn't prove much since Gary's story was that Daphne had left her purse behind. And this meant that Aurora PD had zero physical evidence. So Gary had pretty much provided everything he could. He gave that long-written statement. He allowed us into his house. He didn't know where Daphne was. He had provided everything he could.

So by mid-December of 2008, that initial suspicion of Gary petered out. Maybe she had walked out of his house and met with foul play. It seemed like a less-likely scenario until they learned about the connection Daphne may have had to a convicted serial killer. So back in the early 2000s, there was a guy named Richard White, who was a serial killer in Colorado. This guy had been suggested to Detective Connor by a colleague of his.

In some ways, Richard Paul White made sense. He operated in and around the area Daphne disappeared from, around the same time she disappeared. He killed women and men, but seemed to have a prevalence for women rather than men. with his victims. And so a random killer of women, Daphne could have been a random target, and, you know, it's just an investigative step that had to be taken. Richard was arrested in 2003 after his sister turned him in. The Associated Press reported that he confessed to killing six people starting in 1998, though only four of his victims have been confirmed. Two of his victims were found buried in the backyard of his former

Park Hill home in Denver. Now, interestingly, this was a neighborhood Daphne and her brother Preston once lived in growing up. I mean, that was well in the past, but Daphne's son actually lived there with his father. Daphne would go visit him there. So that could put Richard and Daphne in the same area at the same time.

And Richard's M.O. was to target women along East Colfax Avenue. This is a street with quite a reputation and close to where Daffney. Stephanie was living with Gary. I think Colfax has been called the seediest highway in America. Colfax itself is a major thoroughfare that runs east-west, and it runs all the way through Denver to the west and through Lakewood to the mountains.

It's about 30 miles long. It's a very long thoroughfare, and it's infamous for its criminal activity. Now, if this sounds familiar to you, this is an area that we've talked about, in our recent episode on Tangy Sims. There's a lot of old, seedy hotels, motels, tattoo shops, every kind of adult vice you could possibly want, you can find on Colfax. And so Daphne, just living in a few blocks north of Colfax,

in a rough part of town, you could certainly accurately say many sex workers have been picked up off of Colfax, have disappeared forever. If Gary's account of that night, Daphne disappeared, is correct. Then there would have been a roughly 30-minute window when Daphne was at Gary's house by herself. It's not totally inconceivable that she could have left the house and made her way down

to Colfax or anywhere in the area that Richard might have been. When they were putting two and two together, Richard had already been sitting in prison for five years. So Connor thought, I'll just ask him. And so Detective Connor, he wrote a letter in 2008 to Richard White, who was locked up in DOC for all these murders, and asked him if he'd be willing to talk about this case, have you had anything to do with this disappearance.

To everyone's surprise, Richard wrote back about a week later. Just before the New Year, Detective Connor received a thin, envelope postmarked from Colorado Springs on December 29, 2008. Inside was a single sheet of paper with two sentences scrawled in blacking. It was from Richard White, and he wrote, quote, I did not kidnap or kill anyone in 2001. I have no information concerning this or any other missing person's case. Happy hunting, R.P. White. Now, under his name, he was, wrote the words serial killer, with a capital K and a backwards capital R. If that sign-off wasn't weird enough, he also drew a little cartoon of a skull in crossbones.

And this seems to have made police focus less on Richard, particularly because he had confessed to multiple other murders. But Detective McDonald is the first to admit that's not a guarantee. I mean, I wouldn't rule him out. I can't rule anybody out right now. And he certainly fits the profile of somebody who snatches women off the streets and kills them. With Richard leading nowhere,

that pretty much left the Aurora PD back to square one. And short on ideas. When you've done everything you can and there's nothing left to pull, the case typically will then go cold. Not closed, it'll always remain open as long as it's unsolved.

But what else can you? you do, you've got other cases that you've got to move on. So Daphne's case lingered, not just for years, but for over a decade and a half. And all Daphne's family could do was wait. If she were a white woman, it would not have taken, I believe it would not have taken this long to learn about her story. That is what I believe. That's Daphne's cousin Michelle again, who by the way has never been interviewed. by police. She has worked in community engagement with students and families and as a mental health

advocate. When our reporter talked to her about Daphne, she brought up an experience she had when she facilitated a discussion for a student thesis studying human trafficking. Michelle said that experience showed her just how much ambiguity there is when it comes to sex work and how people can be exploited without realizing the full extent of how they were being harmed. There were people in the group that I facilitated that had been trafficked. And they didn't see it that way because they were just doing what needed to be done to survive. And that's how society looks at black women. We can't be victims.

And that's just not the truth. To Daphne's family, she was more than just a photo on a card. She was fun, popular, and known to talk a lot. And she liked to sing. She even appeared in a production of Greece while in school. And she was also really great at doing hair. Michelle remembers how beautiful and confident Daphne made her feel when she did her hair for her wedding.

But there was also a darker side that Michelle remembers. She was employed. She was licensed practicing hairstylists. Did great work. I had a heavy clon. that were very loyal to her. And then eventually she turned to sex work. And that became very interesting because when she was a hairstylist,

you could see where the money went. You could see her investing it in herself, in her child. But when she turned to sex work, you no longer saw that. and then the drug usage increased. According to Michelle, she might have been one of the last family members to talk to Daphne. In their final conversation, she appeared to be trying to make a change in her life. I just remember having a conversation with her, and she had legal stuff going on. I didn't pry to her.

But she just told me, she was like, Michelle, I can't go to jail. I won't survive in jail. I cannot do that. I will die if I go to jail. And, you know, having the conversation really wrapping it up quickly. It's like, well, then you have to get sober. You know, you have to do things differently. And a few days later, some time, she called me and she was sober.

And she was excited about the direction that her live. life was that she could see her life heading in because she was sober. And shortly after that, she was missing. For the Aurora PD, much like Daphne's family, all they had were rumors about her disappearance. But rumors were not answers. And while they dipped in and out of the case on occasion, it wasn't until 2025 that things really heated back up. And we happened to play a small part in this.

We were working with the Aurora PD to cover some cases in their area, and we sent over a list of cases featured on the Colorado Bureau of Investigation's cold case decks. And Daphne was on that list. So Detective McDonald reviewed the file, talked to us about doing an episode on her, and then started chasing down every lead he could. The to-do list I created for myself from the get-go was, I need to follow up with the FBI and the district attorney's offices to see if Daphne was, in fact, ever a protected client of theirs. Because that's what her brother had told Gary at one point.

And, you know, maybe she's in Kansas somewhere living on a ranch under a different identity. So I needed to rule that out first. And I did that. I followed up with the FBI. I followed up with the district attorney's offices to find out if Daphne Hope was ever a confidential informant. Was she ever in protective custody for any type of case? And she was not. I needed to also follow up with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation

to find out if there were any unidentified remains of any Jane Does that fit her genetic profile. Along with her brother Preston, Aurora PD had also collected DNA from Daphne's son. But there were no matches to any unidentified Jane Does, not on a state or national level. And this DNA was put into CODIS as well. So Detective McDonald was checking things off his list. But he learned that some of the miscellaneous people earlier detectives had identified

all passed away. But not Gary Sterling. So in September of 2025, Detective McDonald called Gary, who had moved out of state. And they spoke for around 45 minutes. It was in that conversation with him on September 11th when I learned the name Sadie because I asked him, who's this girl that you set Brian up with that you then drove home? Because it wasn't mentioned in his handwritten letter what her name was.

And that's when he told me the name Sadie. He told me roughly where she lived and that it was a 30-minute round-trip drive. He told me that when he returned back home, there were no signs of forced entry into the house. The lights were still on. nothing looked awry or, you know, tossed. Detective McDonald was also hoping to get more information about a few of the other names that had come up back in 2008, like Pablo and Jackie.

Problem was Gary still didn't know anything else about them. I didn't get all the answers I wanted, but he answered every question I had, and I don't believe I have anything else to ask them unless something new comes up in the case that I need to bounce off him. But you can't ever rule anybody. completely out until you can really rule them out, right? So I wouldn't say Gary's ruled out, nor would I say anybody is ruled out at this point,

because we just don't have Daphne. Because of our interviews, Detective McDonald decided to reach out to Detective Stephen Connor for some clarification, and he discovered something. Cadaver dogs were never used to search Gary's home back in 2008. That search had only used ground-penetrating radar, which considering what cadaver dogs can do could be. significant. There's dogs that are trained for that scent, and they can be run over a property or in a residence, and will alert when they come across what they feel is a decomposing smell.

So while we were reporting this case, McDonald brought a team of cadaver dogs through Gary's old home. I mean, it has a new owner now, but they searched inside and out. And according to Detective McDonald, the dogs did hit on two spots, one in the backyard, and one inside near the kitchen. And the kitchen spot is interesting because it was near the stairs leading to the basement. Detective McDonald hopes to use ground penetrating radar to investigate the spots that they did get hits on further, and will bring you any updates as they come. For now, Detective McDonald is only calling Gary a person of interest. He's never been arrested or charged with any wrongdoing in connection with Daphne's disappearance. Our team reached out to Gary and at first he seemed interested in talking to us, but he has yet to agree to an interview.

He just told us in a text, quote, she remains in my heart even after all these years. I still love her and I miss her, end quote. This year will mark the 25th anniversary of Daphne Hope's disappearance. Daphne has four grandchildren whom she's never met. Her mother, Korea, told our reporter Taylor Hearts, that Daphne was always happy around children and adored by her son. And there was something else, Korea said to us, that at some point, in the years after her daughter disappeared,

she received a strange phone call. I know one time when I was living in Arizona, I don't remember what year it was. But the phone rang and I heard a voice and she said, it said, Mama. I said, Daphne. And then it was like somebody was trying to get, you know, talk on the phone and had to get off of it. And that's the last I heard. The family never reported this call to the authorities.

As for Detective McDonald's thoughts on whether Daphne could still be alive, here's what he had to say. There's a possibility. We just don't have any indications or evidence right now showing that she is. We've had this missing person entry into the national database. It's been out there for years now. And in my experience, when there's been no activity like that, it's usually not good. If we find Daphne, my gut tells me that she's the victim of a homicide. And I believe it, just based on what we need.

know in the case whether it's all truthful or not, but it's all we have to work with. I'm going to be honest with you. I still hold on to hope in my fantasy world. And no family should ever have to conjure up a reality so that they can go on. I want her to be alive. I want her to be. When Detective McDonald looks at his to-do list, there's still some unfinished business left around people that he hasn't been able to identify or even talk to yet. People like Sadie. If anyone out there knows who she might be, he would love to hear from you.

She would have been in the Aurora or Denver area in August 2001. And then, of course, there's the mysterious Pablo and Jackie. Well, I've checked off a lot of those things that I originally came up with. The things that still exist are Jackie and Pablo. And so if your listeners have any idea who those. people are, I'd really appreciate that too. I got to figure out who these people are and talk to them and find out what they know. If you have any information about the disappearance of Daphne Hope in August of 2001, please get in touch with Detective Jason McDonald of the Aurora Police Department. That number is 303-739-6013. We're also going to put his direct email address in the show notes.

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