The Deck - Darwin Vest (King of Hearts, Idaho)

Episode Date: July 20, 2022

Our Card this week is Darwin Vest, the King of Hearts from Idaho.On a quiet summer night in 1999, a 48-year-old man disappeared after what appeared to be a normal night out with friends in the sleepy ...town of Idaho Falls, Idaho. Darwin Vest, known to many as “spiderman” thanks to his unparalleled knowledge of spiders, left a local bar around 1 a.m. on June 3, 1999 — then seemingly vanished into thin air. For more than two decades, his case has haunted the residents of Idaho Falls as theories surrounding his case range from a tragic fall into the nearby river to something far more sinister.If you know anything about the June 1999 disappearance of Darwin Vest aka Spiderman from Idaho Falls, Idaho -  please contact the Idaho Falls Police Department at 208-529-1200. Or you can call the Idaho Cold Case tip line at 1-844-TIP-4040.  To learn more about The Deck, visit www.thedeckpodcast.com. To apply for the Cold Case Playing Cards grant through Season of Justice, visit www.seasonofjustice.org

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Our card this week is Darwin Vest, the King of Hearts from Idaho. On a summer night in 1999, Darwin, a quirky intellectual who was obsessed with studying spiders, decided to go out to the bars with some friends because he had just gotten some amazing news. But after his final night cab, Darwin wondered out the side door of a bar and into a dark alley, triggering a mystery that no one in 23 years has been able to solve. I'm Ashley Flowers, and this is The Deck. It was late on Friday, June 4, 1999, and Eric's Senif had just gotten back to his house in Idaho Falls, Idaho, when he saw a red light blinking,
Starting point is 00:01:18 indicating a new message on his answering machine. Eric had been gone all day because he and his wife had went to Salt Lake City, Utah, to see the phantom of the opera on Broadway. And instead of staying overnight in the city, they drove the three hours back home to Idaho after the performance. Man hadn't been expecting any calls that day, so even though it was late, Eric went ahead and played the message, which was from his friend Darwin's mom Margaret Vest. She was frantic and so you did all of it and did. She was hoping that Darwin was with us, you know, because he'd often times go with us on different outings and things. So I had to call her back and say, no, he's not with us.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Margaret told Eric that her 48-year-old son Darwin had not been home in nearly two days and she was sick with worry. You see, Darwin still lived at home, so he saw his mother nearly every day. This whole time she'd been holding out hope that Darwin had gone to Utah with Eric and had just forgotten to mention it to her. But Eric told Margaret that he hadn't seen Darwin since Wednesday night when they had played trivia together at a local bar called the Frosty Gator. The Frosty Gator was their usual weekly meet-up spot for trivia, and Eric said nothing weird happened. On the phone, Eric explained to Margaret that when he left the
Starting point is 00:02:47 Prostigator Wednesday night at around 11.30, he'd offered Darwin a ride home because it was raining outside, but that Darwin had declined and said he was going to hang out a little while longer. From what he knew, Darwin had stayed behind for another round of drinks with their other friend, this guy named Lee Curtis, and that was that. Margaret told Eric that Darwin's car was home, which made her even more concerned, because she was sure he hadn't gone far, and she knew his regular routine. Nothing local would keep him away from the house for days at a time. Before hanging up, Eric told Margaret
Starting point is 00:03:19 he would call around and see if anyone had seen Darwin, and if not, he would start looking for him first thing the next day. The first person Eric tried to get in touch with was Lee Curtis, but he wasn't having any luck reaching him. And so immediately the next morning I went, looking at him, I drove downtown, I was looking around the back alleys, I mean, I don't know what else to do.
Starting point is 00:03:43 By 1999, Darwin and Eric had been best friends for almost a decade. So Eric knew this was out of character for his friend. Darwin was smart and independent, but also really social. He would never skip town without telling people. As Eric searched the streets, river banks, and back alleys of Idaho Falls, a pit grew in his stomach.
Starting point is 00:04:05 His mind kept wondering to worst-case scenarios, and he would try to force them out of his head, convincing himself that Darwin would show up at home and explain where he'd been. Now, Eric knew Darwin had walked to the bar Wednesday night for trivia, leaving his car at his mom's house. But that wasn't unusual for him. Eric told our reporting team during an interview that Darwin preferred to walk everywhere. But on trivia night, it had been storming. And Eric remembered being concerned for his friend walking home in the rain after declining
Starting point is 00:04:49 his offer for a ride. They had been drinking during trivia. They weren't like downing shots or anything, but they were sharing pictures of beer, so when Eric left, Darwin was definitely buzzed, but he wasn't too drunk to walk or anything like that. Eric was coming up with nothing in his search for Darwin. The panic really settled in when Eric went to Margaret's house and saw what Darwin had left in his car.
Starting point is 00:05:13 He always kept his snakes and his trunk of his car. He went to the left without doing something with them. We knew that immediately there was something terribly wrong. Yeah, no need to rewind. You heard the man. He kept those mother-f**k snakes in his mother-f**k drunk, which was a total, what the f**k moment for me when I heard it, but Darwin was a scientist. And it was explained to us that he studied snakes and spiders, so it actually was totally normal for him to have creepy critters and cages in his bedroom and in his car.
Starting point is 00:05:48 People around town even called him the Spider-Man. He just looked at talking about all his talks and all that, you know, his experiences with the snakes, scorpions, and other poisonous critters. People were always fascinated with him." Margaret couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong, so she decided to go ahead and report Darwin missing to the Idaho Falls Police Department. When our team was in Idaho doing the reporting for this episode, they met with IFPD Captain Jeremy Galbreath and public information officer Jessica Clements to discuss Darwin's case. They said Margaret Vest
Starting point is 00:06:25 showed up in person to report her son missing. She was very concerned because this was so, so far out of Darwin's usual behavior. Darwin's routine was that he would go home. They lived together and they had a pretty, pretty solid relationship, so this was just way out of character. pretty solid relationship. So this was just way out of character. She knew that Darwin was leaving that night to go to trivia with Eric and she referenced that. She made a comment. We've got a note in here that she talked about. Darwin knew that she worried so he would come home and actually wake her up and say, Mom, I'm home. And this, that didn't happen. Captain Galbreath oversees investigations for Idaho Falls PD today.
Starting point is 00:07:07 But back in 1999, he was a brand new patrol officer. At the time, I didn't think much of it. I didn't know Darwin Vest better than anybody else, but I just figured he was around somewhere and he'd show back up. Darwin was never in trouble with the law, so officers had no reason to think he'd gotten mixed up with the wrong crowd or would be targeted by anyone in that way. So the beginning of the investigation into his whereabouts focused on interviews. Bartender's patrons inside the bar, good close friends, family, that sort of thing.
Starting point is 00:07:49 It jumped almost immediately to the detective division from patrol. Detectives immediately started getting statements from people while also trying to retrace Darwin's steps on the route that he most likely would have walked from his house to the frosty gator. Through interviews with Darwin's sister Rebecca and his business manager, detectives learned that the day Darwin went missing, before he went out to the bar, he had just gotten news that he'd been awarded a contract
Starting point is 00:08:15 for a spider trap that he invented. He designed these traps and they were, there was different companies that were bringing them on board to sell and he'd signed a contract with Anderson Lumber and they were going to carry them in the stores and it was, I wanted to say it was a $6,000 contract that he was, he was going to receive $6,000 a profit which was awesome and then there was another potential contract in the works with Fred Meyer and a couple other things that they, they had working.
Starting point is 00:08:42 But it was the Anderson contract that was signed that day, according to the business manager. Darwin had been working on this trap for a long time, so it was a big deal that he'd struck a lucrative deal to sell them. They were a trap for the hobo spider, a variant of the brown recluse spider that's prone to getting in people's houses.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Darwin was a national expert on the hobo spider, and he was so excited about the contract that he shared the news with his sister via a fax message that he sent around 3.30 p.m. on June 2nd. According to Darwin's mom, he was ecstatic about the deal. And while going out to trivia was part of his weekly routine, that night was also a celebration of sorts. Bartenders who'd been working that night told police Darwin was his normal self at the frosty gator. He'd been wearing his usual outfit,
Starting point is 00:09:28 Levi's a black leather jacket, a belt with a buckle that had a snake design, and a watch that had a spider web design on its face. Every one they'd talked to so far made it seem like it was a normal night for Darwin. But there was one person they hadn't talked to yet. And he could be their most important witness. And that was Lee Curtis, the other man Eric and Darwin
Starting point is 00:09:51 had been with at the Frosty Gator. But again, Lee was kind of hard to get in touch with. Pretty soon, officers found out that Lee had actually gone home to his permanent residence in Utah. Turns out, he was just in Idaho Falls visiting his dad. Finding out that Lee left town soon after Darwin went missing, made Eric suspicious.
Starting point is 00:10:12 He was an interesting character too, but I didn't know him very well, but Darwin always kind of seemed, you know, a little bit of Lee, I don't know. Darwin would never speak negatively about anybody, you know, but I had the impression that, you know, I just had a feeling that somehow Darwin had some sort of issue or something. Police did eventually get in touch with Lee, who said that he wasn't avoiding police, but he had a military assignment that he had to get back for.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Lee agreed to be interviewed and said that that night when he was out with Darwin. After Eric left, he and Darwin had one more round of drinks and then walked a few blocks to another bar called the Golden Crown for a nightcap. It would have been around 1 a.m. on June 3rd by this point because the bar was about to have last call. But Lee said they each ordered a beer there, and he said that he actually ordered a coffee for Darwin too, so he could sober up a little before his walk home. But Darwin had rejected the coffee. According to Lee's statement in police reports, Lee went to the ATM to get some cash in order
Starting point is 00:11:17 to take a cab home, and he says when he came back, Darwin was just gone. Detectives interviewed a bartender at the Golden Crown who filled in some of the gaps in Lee's story. You see, he said that before Lee went to the ATM, Darwin had gotten up to use the restroom, so when he came back and didn't see Lee, Darwin walked towards the exit. The bartender said that when Lee came back, he asked where Darwin had gone, and the bartender told him it looked like he'd gone home, so Lee said he got a taxi and went to his dad's house. So Lee left in a cab, is that confirmed? Yes, we interviewed the cab driver and there was another female in the cab as well.
Starting point is 00:11:59 According to police, Lee was also seen arriving home by roommates who were still awake when he got there. But there was one major discrepancy with Lee's alibi. According to Idaho Falls Police, when officers went to the taxi companies to confirm Lee's ride home, there was no log of it. I'm not sure if it's still like this today since we have all these ride share apps, but back then, if you hailed the cab, the driver was supposed to make a log of the ride, basically the time, the destination, and cost because the cab company took a percentage of the fare.
Starting point is 00:12:30 So obviously not being able to corroborate this made police pause, because either Lee was lying or the cab driver was. So they re-interviewed the cab driver, who finally admitted that he didn't log the ride because he wanted to keep all the money from the fare. Despite that discrepancy and Lee having been the last known person to see Darwin, he was pretty much cleared of any wrongdoing. Aside from having an alibi, detectives couldn't find any motive for why Lee would have wanted to do something to Darwin. But some people, like Eric, remain suspicious of Lee, still to this day.
Starting point is 00:13:06 By June 6th, four days since Darwin disappeared, police were starting to wonder if something sinister had happened to Darwin because there was still no sign of him. So they decided to put out a press bulletin for the new stations to share his photo and clothing description on TV. They also entered his information into NCIC, the National Crime Information Center, in case he turned up somewhere else. And that's when police realized that a strange call had been made to 9-1-1 back on June 3rd, and they started to wonder if it could have been about Darwin. On Thursday afternoon, June 3rd, a local woman named Dolores called police and said she'd been driving across a bridge just south of Idaho Falls when she saw someone in the Snake
Starting point is 00:13:59 River. She said she saw a body floating face down through the river. The being county sheriff's office went out there and they found a 55 gallon drum, but nobody. They re-contacted her and she was adamant. It was not a 55 gallon drum. I saw a body. Where Dolores reportedly saw the body was near the Shelley Bridge, which is just downstream
Starting point is 00:14:26 from Idaho Falls. But the thing is, when Dolores made that phone call, Darwin had not been reported missing yet. So when there wasn't a body recovered, police didn't think much of Dolores' report. The Snake River runs right through downtown Idaho Falls. Captain Galbreath took our reporting team to the river bank so you can actually see photos of the area on our website thedeckpodcast.com and on our Instagram which I'll link to in the show notes.
Starting point is 00:14:53 There's a walkway downtown that hugs the river bank and a steep grass hill on either side without any safety railings. And the water is within just a few blocks of the frosty gator and the golden crown, which by the way, both bars are still open today, so we also have photos of where Darwin spent his last night. But long story short, the sheriff's office went out in boats to retrieve the drum from the water, and they still didn't see a body. But at some point, after days of Darwin not showing up, they started to wonder if what
Starting point is 00:15:25 Dolores saw could have been him. They even followed up with her, and she was just as certain as the day she reported it. What she'd seen was a body, a man's body, with dark hair and a plaid shirt. Now Darwin did have brown hair, but he had not been wearing a plaid shirt the night he vanished. But here's the thing, if that was Darwin, Eric said there's zero chance he fell into the water. Darwin wouldn't have fallen into the river. I can tell you that.
Starting point is 00:15:54 I mean, he was around that river his entire life, you know. But Eric can't say for sure that someone didn't hurt Darwin and dispose of him in the river or push him in on purpose. And he felt suspicious of one person in particular. And it was a name that police had heard too. After the news reports, police had gotten some tips, and one of them was about how Darwin had been the victim of a brutal assault several years prior. Darwin v. V. Victor of a robbery a couple years before he had been out drinking that night was robbed and thrown in a dumpster.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Captain Galbreath asked us to censor the man's name, so we'll call him Dane. According to Eric, back in 1996, Dane and some other guys had been driving around and saw Darwin walking home. They tried to take Darwin's money, but Darwin stood up for himself, so they beat him unconscious and stole his money before throwing him in a dumpster. Darwin was seriously hurt and ended up pressing charges, and Dane was convicted and went to prison for the robbery and assault. So that was one of the theories was that had come after Darwin again.
Starting point is 00:17:11 By 1999, Dane had long been out of jail, so detectives set out to find out where he'd been on June 2nd and 3rd. Turns out, Dane was living at the Idaho Falls Community Work Center. So he was in town, but the work center was like a halfway house. He wasn't technically locked up, so he could leave during the day for work, but he had to return at night, and there were bed check logs that confirmed Dane had been at the work center late on June 2nd. It was a structured thing. Windows were locked and bolted shut, the front door alarmed, there were regular bed checks.
Starting point is 00:17:49 And he was accounted for all night. There was no sign he left his room, no sign the window didn't have it with. Jessica pulled the reports for us that detailed Danes' alibi, which were those bed check logs from the work center. And she said that Dane was accounted for in bed on June 2nd at 9.45pm, then 2.15am and 4.15am. So if Darwin was last seen leaving the Golden Crown at 1am, and Dane was accounted for in bed at 2.15am, it left a pretty small window for the two to have crossed paths, even if Dane had successfully snuck out of the center in the middle of the night.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Detectives had to move on, and when they did, they explored the theory that someone could have targeted Darwin if they found out that he had just landed a lucrative deal with his spider trapkits. The issue with that theory though is Darwin hadn't actually gotten his pay out yet, so it didn't make much sense. It's not like he was walking around town with the six grand on him. As tips stopped coming in, police dug more into Darwin's background. They learned that he'd gone off to college and lived in Washington for about a decade
Starting point is 00:18:58 before returning to Idaho Falls to be close to his family and focus on his spider work, which wasn't just a hobby. Darwin was an expert on spiders, snakes, and poisonous plants, and he was often called upon to testify in court about spider and scorpion bites. According to reporting in the Lewis to Tribune, Darwin worked at a local movie theater to make income. In all his spare time, he'd be out looking for spider webs, out in the forest or desert looking for snakes or scorpions. Here's Eric Senef again. Every year he was sent a booth at the Idaho State Fair. You know, he could always tell
Starting point is 00:19:35 where his booth was because it would be a huge crowd of people there. He'd have specimens, he'd have scorpions. Of course, he was always very... He was always trying to inform people about the hobo spider and the dangerous... Oh, by them, you know, because a lot of people didn't know that much about the hobo spider. It was an introduced species and it was relatively new to the area. He was an amazing man, he really was, and he was extremely unknowledgeable. We would go on field trips and we'd go on the desert and we'd turn over like a piece of plywood and then there'd be like a scorpion in their recipe and he would rattle off the Latin dames for these. He knew a lot of Latin and he would say, so he was a fast man, he couldn't be around. He was really just a very rare individual who very much, you know, one of a kind.
Starting point is 00:20:26 The more police learned about Darwin, the less they could find that would make him the target of a violent crime. Everyone said he was amazing. Wonderville weird was a term people like to use to describe him. Darwin's case went nowhere for the rest of the year, and in June 2000, the one-year anniversary of his disappearance, his friends and family held a candlelight vigil. The lack of new leads made police consider that maybe Darwin just drank too much and
Starting point is 00:20:53 accidentally fell into the river. A detective tracked down what the water levels were the night Darwin vanished, and it was swollen, nearly at flood stage. And that matters because when the snake river is that high near Idaho Falls, grates are removed in order to avoid flooding. In the past, people had fallen in the river and tragically wound up in those grates.
Starting point is 00:21:15 But they wouldn't have been in place the night that Darwin went missing. The snake river ends up dumping out into the Columbia, which ends up dumping out into the Pacific Ocean. It, I mean, the snake river goes along South-South East Idaho Snake River ends up dumping out into the Columbia, which ends up dumping out into the Pacific Ocean. It means the, yeah. Snake River goes along Southeast Idaho over to Boise and then crosses into Oregon and Washington via the Columbia.
Starting point is 00:21:36 With the water level being that high, I mean, it's kind of hard to tell exactly where that could've gone. If that theory is correct, where he would have ended up, this is hard to say. In 2001, a detective re-interviewed Dolores about what she saw floating in the river. Even two years later, she was adamant
Starting point is 00:21:56 that what she saw was a body with dark matted hair wearing a plaid shirt. But police weren't able to make any determinations from her fresh statement, and Darwin's body hadn't turned up downstream. So Darwin's case went cold, and barely any new information came in over the next few years. In 2004, Darwin was declared legally dead with his date of death listed as June 2, 1999. By then, his family had lost most hope that he was still alive. But that didn't make it any easier. They still missed him and they still wanted to know
Starting point is 00:22:33 what happened. In 2005, through family members swabs, Darwin's DNA was put into codeus, just in case his body ever turned up somewhere. A big feature ran in the Times News in July 2006. The headline read, ìIdeho's Spider-Man Still Missing, 7 Years After Last Sceneî In that story, police called Darwinís case inactive. A lieutenant was quoted saying, ìuntil they have reason to believe otherwise, they leaned toward the theory that he fell in the river.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Two more years went by without much talk of Darwin. But then, out of nowhere in 2008, police got a strange letter from an inmate who said that Darwin had been killed, and he not only knew who did it, but he knew why, too. Detective's immediately packed up and drove the four hours from Idaho Falls to Boise, Idaho, where the state prison is to interview the inmate. And he told police another prisoner he knew, named Todd Briggs, claim that Darwin once grabbed his genitals, and Todd was offended by it and wanted Darwin dead. So detectives interviewed this Todd Briggs guy who was incarcerated at the same prison.
Starting point is 00:23:53 And here's the thing, Todd didn't exactly have an alibi. Did Briggs offer up his warehouse for June 99? I don't know about June 99 exactly but he lived in the area, right? And he'd mentioned Darwin. He said that he met Darwin one time in a bar. It was, you know, Darwin was a fixture. People knew Darwin. So he said, yeah, I knew Darwin, but I spoke with him for 10 minutes one time and that was the only time we ever talked. It was end of 97 somewhere in 98 and other people that knew Briggs and knew them at the time kind of, you know, confirmed that.
Starting point is 00:24:29 I remember him mentioning this, or I remember being around that conversation, but no, they didn't hang out together, no, they didn't spend time together. So Todd basically said the other informant was full of BS and just wanted time shaved off his sentence, and he was lying in order to do it. Todd denied ever hurting Darwin and said he knew nothing about what happened to him. Then, Todd kind of pointed the finger back at the other inmates, saying, Oh, well, that guy talked about Darwin all the time. Maybe you should see why he's so obsessed with the case.
Starting point is 00:24:58 By the way, while Todd Briggs wasn't exactly ruled out in Darwin's case, he's never been considered a suspect. But according to court records, he is in prison for first degree murder, two counts of aggravated battery, attempted escape, and aggravated assault. And get this, the murder happened in Idaho Falls. According to a 2002 Time News article, Todd Briggs was convicted in the murder of Melissa Garcia, a 25-year-old mother of four.
Starting point is 00:25:27 That article says that he killed Melissa after she broke off their engagement. He's actually eligible for parole in 2035. The other inmate, who was the original letter writing informant, is in prison for attempted strangulation, escape, aggravated assault and attempted murder. But police said his statements were all over the place and didn't really make any sense. Plus his crimes took place much further north in Idaho. And he didn't have any real ties to Idaho Falls, so they moved on. Coincidentally, later that same year, this is 2008, Danes' name came back up on police's
Starting point is 00:26:04 radar. A woman told police that one of Danes' relatives had one of Darwin's rings, and that one time the man had gotten drunk and said that he and Danes killed Darwin. Police put both Danes and his relative through polygraph tests, and they both passed. But then around the same exact time, Eric had someone contact him saying something similar about Dane. I also had some yell in my story. It was this has been quite a few years later.
Starting point is 00:26:35 She told me that she had been talking to… I don't know, or somebody. Somebody knew that she had heard from the first hand, you know, that friends of a kidnap, dark man killed him and buried him out by kept crossing, you know. And of course, every poet is to the least and they said, oh, not like she's she's not credible. So I mean, there was all, you know, there was all kinds of speculations. Eric was familiar with the area she mentioned, Caps crossing, which is just southeast of Idaho Falls, way out in the sticks.
Starting point is 00:27:09 So he decided to go look for Darwin's body himself. I actually went and drove out to Caps crossing and he just looked around. I don't know, I think we're just going to see this as a benefit. It was a decade later, you know, but I actually did drive out there and just kind of, you know, provoke around.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Did you see anything suspicious? No, no, no. I mean, I know there's, and just kind of, you know, poke around. Did you see anything suspicious? No, no, I mean, there's, it's kind of all sort of a white open area. There, you know, there's the correct, I don't know, I just was looking around. I don't, you know, like, like, like, CD bones or anything, but, I mean, there's deer bones and cow bones. But I didn't see anything that seemed relevant. Speculations quieted down after that. And a few more years went by without any real developments, except for one wild rumor that
Starting point is 00:27:56 Darwin had packed up and moved to Mexico, but there was nothing to back that up. In summer 2011, Idaho Falls Police got another letter about Darwin, this time from a different inmate claiming to have information. But Jessica and Captain Galbreath said detectives tried to set up an interview with the inmate and he never responded after that. They aren't sure if he changed his mind about giving a statement, but all efforts to talk to him since have been unsuccessful. At the end of 2017, a new police chief in Idaho Falls assigned Darwin's case to a new detective,
Starting point is 00:28:29 Rome's Stiffler, and he wanted him to give it a fresh look. Detective Stiffler re-interviewed Dane and other people who'd been possible witnesses. One interesting thing Detective Stiffler discovered was that on June 3rd, 1999, an inmate at the work center where Dane was living actually had escaped the facility and wasn't found until a year later. But as far as we know, nothing ever came of that really in relation to Darwin's case. So I'm not sure if police couldn't track him down for an interview, or again, if he just didn't have any ties to Darwin or what. But either way, it proved to police that it was, in fact, possible to escape from the so-called secure facility where Dane had been staying.
Starting point is 00:29:11 But it still didn't prove anything about Dane specifically. There have been some theories and other media that Dane and Lee Curtis and the other escaped inmate worked together to set Darwin up for some reason, but police said that they have no information whatsoever to back up that rumor. Police truly have no idea what happened to Darwin. And they'll admit that they're not really any closer to solving the case today as they were decades ago. But they have worked to rule out a lot of different theories, which sometimes, until the
Starting point is 00:29:43 right person comes forward, is all they can do. These missing person cases are especially difficult because, you know, if you have a homicide cold case, you have a crime scene, you know that they met, you know, a tragic end, a criminal end, right? It's some kind of nefarious ending that is heartbreaking, but there's answers there. You have something to go back to to try and connect something to. And there's answers in a crime scene, right?
Starting point is 00:30:08 Is technology develops? There's something more you can do with a missing person. You know, it is entirely possible that nothing nefarious happened that it was a tragic accident, but that doesn't give you real closure. It doesn't give you answers. And that's so you can't just say, well, it's likely so we'll sign off on that.
Starting point is 00:30:26 You have to entertain every possibility. And when you get tips that maybe something to ferry happened, you have to look into that. Family wants answers, I've won, it's answers like anyone would. If it was my brother, if it was my son, my dad, I would want answers as well. And we, as a police department, I went to these families
Starting point is 00:30:40 to keep it open and follow up on everything we again. It's one of those tough ones, especially where, you know, 1951 was when Darwin was born. So you think about people in that time frame. I mean, we're starting to lose people that were his peers. His mother's past. It's getting tougher and tougher to find people who are around at that time. And they remember Darwin who may have seen him. We sure hope that there's answers in this lifetime.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Eric lost hope years ago of ever seeing Darwin again. It was a big loss. He was such a tough show and he's one of a kind person. I mean, no way, whatever. It would be like him. He was a great loss. I think his devotion to his research and his love of people and, you know, just, you know, touch the lot of lives.
Starting point is 00:31:29 If you know anything about the June 1999 disappearance of Darwin Vest, aka Spider-Man, from Idaho Falls, Idaho, please contact the Idaho Falls Police Department at 208-529-1200 or you can call the Idaho Cold Case Tip Line at 1-844-TIP-4040. We have pictures of what he looked like on our website plus photos of his unique belt buckle and watch face on our website as well. The Deck is an audio chuck production with theme music by Ryan Lewis. To learn more about the Deck and our advocacy work, visit thedeckpodcast.com. So what do you think, Chuck? Do you approve? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Bye!

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