The Deck - NEW SHOW: The Deck Investigates

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

Introducing The Deck Investigates. Our card this season is Darlene Hulse, the 4 of Hearts from Indiana.Darlene Hulse was forcibly taken from her home in Argos, Indiana on August 17, 1984. Her two oldest daughters witnessed the attack but they didn’t recognize the man who took their mother. Though Darlene’s body would be found a day later, just six miles from her home, her killer has evaded law enforcement for almost four decades and her case has remained cold…until now.After a year long investigation, we’re uncovering new facts and speaking with witnesses and suspects who have never been spoke to before in hopes of finally answering the question, who murdered Darlene Hulse?All 15 episodes are available for you to listen to RIGHT NOW on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you like to listen to your podcasts. Brought to you by CarMax. Car buying reimagined. Find a car you’ll love at CarMax.com.

Our card today is Darleen Hulse, the four of hearts from Indiana. In 1984, Mother of Three, Darleen was brutally attacked in her own home. Nearly 40 years later, her daughters are still seeking answers, and there are still new details to uncover. So we took our normal reporting one step further. You'll see what I mean. Little over two years ago I came across an old news article. It was about an old unsolved murder that I had never heard of in a tiny Indiana town that I had only ever passed on my way to somewhere else. When I reached out to the victim's daughter on

Facebook I had no idea that I would spend the next two years of my life living and breathing this case, dumping every resource I had into solving it. But that's precisely what happened. I pulled in one of our reporters Emily and basically made this her full-time job. But even in the early days, I didn't know what this was. We didn't set out to make a whole series about this case. But the more we dug in, the more secrets we uncovered.

And the more secrets we uncovered, the more holy shit moments we had. Because not only does this 38-year-old cold case have what it needs to get solved literally tomorrow. But the person responsible may have been hiding in plain sight all along. Over the course of this series, I'm gonna take you along

as we hit the backroads of Argus, Indiana, looking for evil truths. The kind that you never expect to find in small Midwestern towns. And I'll take you along as we uncover facts that have never been reported until now. This is the untold story of Darlene Hulse, the four of hearts from Indiana. I'm Ashley Flowers, and this is The Deck Investigates. The This is episode 1.

Take a bath. On August 17th, 1984, in a small middle of nowhere in Indiana town called August, eight-year-old Marie Hulse was at home with her mom and two little sisters. It was a Friday morning at the tail end of their summer break, and since dad was at work, Marie and her six-year-old sister Melissa were going to have to tag along to their baby sister's doctor's appointment in the nearby town of Plymouth. Their mom, Darleen, told them to take a quick bath and get washed up before they left, while she got baby Kristen ready in the other room. The two girls were waist deep in water.

When all of a sudden, there was a knock at the front door. Marie thought she heard their mom say something like, she wasn't expecting a package or delivery or she didn't order anything. They tried to listen closer for more, but there weren't words. Instead, there was weird noises coming from the front room of the house. It was a sound Marie has never forgotten. He was grunting and grunting.

I thought it was a puppy. I thought my parents had literally got us a puppy. I told Melissa that and the tub. I was like, do you hear that? It's a dog. And it was like growling and grunting. Marie hopped out of the tub and she was so excited about the idea of a new puppy that she didn't even stop to dry off or put on clothes before running down the hallway.

Their dad Ron had surprised them before with a new dog, so this idea wasn't out of left field. In fact, that exact week, their dog Ling was at a breeder's house for a consultation about puppy making. The Holes' lived in a long, one-story ranch-style house, so when Marie got out of the tub, she ran down the hallway toward the den where the front door was. But when she rounded the corner, she froze. Because there was no puppy. Just a man, pushing her mom down on the floor.

He was on his knees, straddling her mom, darling, trying to put duct tape over her eyes and mouth. In that moment, at eight years old, Marie didn't know what was going on. She didn't know this man, and he wasn't saying anything. He just continued grunting and growling. Her baby sister, who was last in her mother's arms, was nowhere to be found. Through all the confusion, she knew something was wrong. My mom was yelling, you know, don't hurt my babies. Or something to that effect. She was wrong. My mom was yelling, you know, don't hurt my babies or something to that effect.

She was screaming. She was, yeah, she was flailing. Like, I'm talking like, I know she scratched him. I know that she got pieces of him and he was dragging her by her hair. Completely terrified, little Marie started screaming and she ran towards the kitchen phone. This was 1984, so not only was there no 911 system yet in Marshall County, Indiana, the Huls' had a rotary phone. But Marie knew she needed to call for help, so she started that slow-circle dial of one of the only phone number she had memorized, her aunt Nancy. He was already coming around the corner. But I did get through, I got a busy signal.

As the busy tone beeped in her ear, Marie looked up. Just as the man came around the corner, dragging her mom by the hair behind him. I just remember him coming towards me and ripping the phone out and me thinking, he's going to get me now. He's going to get me. And I think gonna get me now, he's gonna get me. And I think that's when she said she to run, run.

But it was so jarbald, you know, it was just chaos. And he never spoke a word. I do remember that, he never spoke. In that moment, she got a really good look at the guy. He was skinny but not scrawny and clean cut with blondish two-tone hair combed over to one side. The guy was wearing normal clothes like a brown shirt with stripes and tan colored pants and brown shoes. Marie remembers in that moment thinking that this guy didn't look like a

super scary person but because he was hurting her mom, he must have been a bad guy. Just when he tried to grab Marie, Darleen screamed for Marie to run. I remember her saying, don't hurt my babies. And she was screaming at the blood-curdling screams while she was fighting. So they were grunts, and it was just like surreal. It was completely surreal. By that point, Marie knew they were in serious danger and she had to get her sister before running for help.

Now this all went down in just a matter of seconds. So six-year-old Melissa was just getting out of the bathtub when she and Marie come back down the hallway. But instead of announcing or introducing a new puppy, Marie was frantic. She came back and she was like, But instead of announcing or introducing a new puppy, Marie was frantic. She came back and she was like, no, get out now, get out now. You're the one that told me something wasn't right and I had to leave. After alerting her sister, Marie took off back down the hallway and ran through the kitchen and out the back door that let outside.

And Melissa, not knowing what was the matter, ran toward the front door. When she rounded the corner, she saw the man pinning her mom down on the carpet, and he was hovered over Darlene in a way that put his back towards Melissa. But Darlene started screaming at Melissa to get out and the man turned around and spotted her. I just remember him looking at me as I ran out the door, like never lunch for me, never, nothing. But he was on his knees. So when I first looked down the hall, I want to say I saw just the top of his head. And then when I came out, then he looked up.

The man didn't say anything to Melissa either. She remembered his face being totally expressionless. thing to Melissa, either. She remembered his face being totally expressionless. The only one speaking any words was Darleen. She just kept saying, Melissa, get out. And then just let the children go. That's all she said. Still completely naked and soaking wet, the girls ran from their house to the dirt and gravel road, passing a car that they didn't recognize parked in their driveway. I remember turning around and looking at the car. I looked at it because I was looking to say if Melissa was following me. Or the guy. I remember turning around looking thinking, is he going to follow me?

So I did, I remember looking at it. It was a huge clunker of a car, dirty and green with rust all across the bottom, and it was pulled right up into the driveway. Marie noticed that it had big round tail lights and a big long body with a big trunk, and she remembers thinking that it looked old. Like you know how in the mid 80s cars were pretty boxy, but their bodies were smaller than cars that were made in the 70s that were basically just massive boats on wheels. Well, that's what Marie saw, a massive, rusty, ugly boat of a car that was chalky green, like not just in color, but the paint job itself was bad.

To Marie's relief, as she was running and looking back at the car, she spotted her sister coming out the front door. I do remember seeing Melissa run behind me. I saw her and I thought I'm going to get there faster. I've got to get there faster. And Melissa was screaming crying, but I could see her and see, we weren't allowed to cross the road. And I do remember thinking, I don't have any clothes on,

and this is not even hurting my feet. I had a, because I always try to walk without shoes or whatever. And I remember thinking, this isn't even hurting. I can run faster than I've ever ran before. I remember thinking that. They had turned right out of the house, running down the road toward the next crossing, which was this busy highway.

They were headed to their grandparents' house who lived just on the other side. We're eight and six. I've gotten spanked before. We're going across the road. And I remember thinking, I'm going to get in trouble. Nope, I got to go. And I I go in across the road. And I remember thinking, I'm gonna get in trouble. Nope, I gotta go. And I just took off across the road.

They knew that's where they needed to go for help. Marie says that as she's running to her grandparents, she felt like she was flying. We were fast as lightning, okay? When you know the distance between there does not take but just like two, three minutes if you're running fast. Marie got to her grandparents house first and relief flooded her when she spotted her grandma Doris.

Grandma was in the window, you know, they have like those wind chimes because they didn't have air. And I remember the wind chimes and she was standing at the sink and I said, someone's hurting mom. You need to call and she's like, what? She didn't even, I was talking too fast. And she just could, she could understand it. I was like, someone's hurting mom, you need to call. And she's like, what? She didn't even, I was talking too fast. And she just couldn't understand.

I was like, someone has mom. And she just couldn't process what I was saying. I was like, call the police. She goes, I don't understand. I was like, call the police. Meanwhile, Melissa had almost caught up to Marie. But when she got to the edge of Highway 31, there was a car coming.

So she had to stop and let them pass. And I wonder about this person a lot, if they're still out there. If they even knew what they saw that day. A six-year-old girl, wet, naked, crying, barefoot, standing on a dirt road at the edge of a highway. Would things have been different if they would have stopped, would we still be asking the questions that we are today? Unfortunately, unless they come forward, we may never know. That car went by and Melissa darted across the highway to meet Marie and her grandma just as Doris was dialing the number for the Marshall County Police Department. Doris relayed to police what her granddaughters told her, and the police dispatched the closest unit

to get to the whole's home as soon as possible for an armed robbery in progress. Dores stayed on the phone with them while Marie and Melissa propped themselves in their grandparents' front window to watch for police to go save their mother. And then I remember her being on the phone with the police and because it was a dirt road,

we heard the police cars come it was a dirt road, we heard the police cars come and we were watching out the window and they went past the road and she went nuts. I do remember that. She's like, no, and she's on the phone. She's like, you've missed it, you've missed it. Go back, you've just passed the road.

Then do you remember seeing them come, like circle back and go back down the correct road? I do, but then my grandmother pulled me away from the window. Do you think she was coming to the realization of? I mean, or how serious it was. She asked me where Kristen was, and I didn't know. And I got really scared that I was in trouble, because I didn't know where you were. I just remember the primary concern is where is Kristen.

And then I think Melissa knew more about that because she was the last one to run out. Kristen, who is almost in her 40s today, doesn't remember anything about that day because she was still in diapers. But her sisters have struggled with the fact that they couldn't find her. I'll never forget one time, Melissa said, the one thing that Shireen Gritz was not getting me, not grabbing me when they were, you know, running out. With Darlene and baby

Kristen at the house with a crazed man, Doris didn't know what to think. She knew something was wrong based on what her granddaughters were able to relay through sobs, but she couldn't have known the horror that awaited. Marie was hopeful that she had run so damn fast that her mom and baby sister would be okay. I mean, it happens so fast. And so all of a sudden, just a million people were at my grandparents' house and cops were there.

And I just remember them saying. The baby's been found but the mom is not there. I'm going to take you into the crime scene and the search for Darlene in episode two, a stranger's wrath. You can listen to that right now. That is just episode one in a 15-part investigation that we have conducted over the last year into Darleen's case. We found new leads, track down persons of interest, and uncovered hours worth of information

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