The Deck - Raquel Ramirez (7 of Diamonds, Connecticut)

Episode Date: February 2, 2022

Our card this week is Raquel Ramirez, the 7 of Diamonds from Connecticut. The last time Raquel Ramirez’s family saw her, she was sound asleep at home on the couch. For 37 years her family has waite...d to find out how and why she ended up murdered and left under a highway overpass.If you know anything about Raquel’s 1985 murder in Hartford, Connecticut, please contact the Chief State’s Attorney Cold Case Unit at 860-548-0606. To learn more about The Deck, visit www.thedeckpodcast.com. To apply for the Cold Case Playing Cards grant through Season of Justice, visit www.seasonofjustice.org

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This series is something that's been a long time coming. An idea I've had for years and over the last year at AudioChuck we've been putting together the right team of people to make this show a reality. Those of you who are deep in the true crime community might know about Cold Case playing card decks. Some law enforcement agencies have replaced the faces of traditional playing cards with images of missing and murdered people. Each card represents a victim who's gone without justice. The goal was to get these out to the public and into jails and prisons, hoping that they might find their way into the hands of someone with answers. And now,
Starting point is 00:00:41 it's time to bring these cases to a bigger audience, hoping each of these stories will finally hit the right ears. Our card this week is Rical Ramirez, the Seven of Diamonds from Connecticut. In 1985, Rical disappeared in the middle of the night from her family's home, only to be found the next day in a bizarre area not easily accessible to anyone. In the many years since her death, her family has never stopped seeking justice, and one detective has vowed to keep investigating her case until he can prove who killed her. I'm Ashley Flowers, and this is The Deck. . June 29, 1985 was your usual summer evening at Wana Almena's house in Hartford, Connecticut.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Her 29-year-old daughter, Raquel Ramirez and Raquel's three children were living with her, so the house was lively, especially because it was a Saturday night. After dinner, the kids got ready for bed and settled in the living room, while Raquel went out for drinks with some of her friends. Wanted to judge her daughter for wanting to have a social life on top of her full-time mom duties, Raquel was always responsible and always put her kids before her social calendar. Rekel's daughter Brenda Perez, who was 10 years old at the time, said even if money was
Starting point is 00:02:29 tight, her mom had a natural ability to make each one of them feel special. She was upbeat outgoing, she loved to dance, but she most of all just loved to be around us. Shortly after Rekel headed out on that Saturday, Brendan, her siblings went to bed, and as expected, Raquel got home a few hours later, right after midnight. But none of the kids were awake and actually saw their mom. Wana was the only one up who noticed Raquel arrive. When Wana eventually went upstairs to go to bed, she saw Raquel had fallen asleep on the
Starting point is 00:03:03 couch, still in her going out close. About an hour later, though, around 1.30 in the morning, Wanda heard the sound of the front door opening and closing. That was kind of unusual, but she figured Rikail must have just gone back out to the bars, maybe one of her friends had stopped by. Wanda didn't think much more about it and drifted off to sleep. When everyone woke up Sunday morning, they were surprised when they didn't see Raquel on the couch, and she wasn't in her bedroom either.
Starting point is 00:03:32 They thought maybe she stayed overnight at another relative's house, but it wasn't like her to not let the family know if that was her plan. Wanted started calling family members to see if anyone had seen Raquel or if she was with them, but none of them knew where she was. By midday on Sunday, a few hours after they realized Raquel was missing, Wanda finally decided to call the Hartford Police Department. The dispatcher, who answered, took down Raquel's physical description. Five feet tall, short, dark hair, late 20s, missing since 1.30 that morning.
Starting point is 00:04:04 The information was filed away as something officers could follow up on later, since Raquel hadn't even been missing a full day yet. But not long after they took this report, a teenager showed up at the Hartford Police Department to report a strange discovery. The kid told authorities that he and his friends had found a body under the I-91 overpass. The teenager said he wasn't sure how old the person was or even what gender. But based on the size of the corpse, he and his friends all thought that it could be a child.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Hartford Detective Drew Jacobson said when emergency responders first got to the scene, they too, at first glance, thought the body was that of a little girl. So they found her on June 30, 1985, under a bridge. I 91 is a highway that runs centrally through Connecticut, North to South. And in Hartford, there's a section of the Connecticut River. And 91 is really close to it.
Starting point is 00:04:58 She was 80-bitty, just barely five feet tall. I want to say she weighed 85 or 90 pounds at the time of her death. It didn't take police long to realize the body was actually that of a young woman. The teenagers who had reported finding the body said that they had been fishing on the bank of the river when they went up an embankment to the overpass to look for worms to use his bait. And that's when they found her lying in some brush. She was covered in dirt and had some scrapes on her, so they were pretty
Starting point is 00:05:26 sure she was dead. One of the teens said he'd trekked back to his car and drove two miles to the Hartford Police Department, while his other two friends went out to the road to see if they could flag down a patrol officer if one happened to pass by. Police responded to the scene right away, taped off the area and started to process the crime scene. It was obvious to investigators that all signs pointed to a scenario that the woman had been murdered, but it wasn't immediately obvious how she died. Her shirt was kind of moved over, her bra was exposed, part of it was torn, her pants, the top of her pants were unbuttoned, and she had drag marks on her rear end.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Police decided, just based on her positioning, that where the victim's body had been found was likely also where she was killed. It would be very, very difficult to carry a body into that area. It would be tough. You would have to kind of convince a person to climb in there with you. Just kind of looking at the pictures in the dirt, it kind of looks like there was a struggle there. Her shoes are kind of like in a couple different areas. It probably happened on the dirt and then they dragged her into the vegetation.
Starting point is 00:06:32 So that's probably the scuff marks on her backside. In her back right pocket, investigators found a lottery ticket dated for Friday, June 28, 1985. The ticket had been purchased from the Spanish-American package store in town, so officers took a photo of the victim and then went to the store where a clerk on duty confirmed the woman in the picture was Raquel Ramirez, a regular customer. So police's next stop was to go to Wana's house where Raquel's 12-year-old son Benjamin answered the door. They told Wana that in order to be sure they had their official ID correct, they needed her to go to the medical
Starting point is 00:07:08 examiner's office to confirm her daughter's identity. But Wana was too upset to do that. So, Rakell's sister Ada ended up driving two and a half hours to Hartford from Patterson, New Jersey to make the identification. And Ada recognized her sister right away. Detective Jacobson wasn't a responding officer back then and wasn't in the room when Ada ID'd her sister's body. But for the past 17 years, he's worked the case. And after reading through all of the material his agency has collected, he has a really good handle on what those first few hours of the investigation look like.
Starting point is 00:07:43 He said back then, some of the first people detectives were suspicious of were the teenage fisherman who'd reported finding recal. Even today, Jacobson struggles with understanding why those teens were in such a secluded obscure area. To gain access to it, you had to walk across the section of a highway to get underneath. When I went in and climbed in there a few years ago to kind of take a look around,
Starting point is 00:08:06 I had to go to an access road and climb over like a half of a cement wall and kind of duck underneath. It was a little strange to get into. So getting worms to me doesn't make sense. I haven't been able to sort it out to this day. Why those three men were underneath there. Could you be looking for worms? Sure, but maybe they're overnight or computer or maybe they had some information about it. Detectives kept the fisherman for questioning, but the teens didn't have much else to provide police. They stuck to their story about only happening upon the body because they were looking for bait. They weren't even from the area. In autopsy showed, Raquel had been strangled, and her killer likely used their bare hands to choke her. The medical examiner did find sperm when he examined her cow, but it was undetermined
Starting point is 00:08:47 who it belonged to, and if it had been from a previous consensual encounter or from a sexual assault before her death. The only two things found in her pockets were that lottery ticket, and someone else's social security card, which detectives found highly suspicious, but at the time police efforts to locate the correct owner of the card were unsuccessful. After learning everything they could from her autopsy, detectives interviewed as many of Rikkel's friends and family as they could. Want to told them about how Rikkel had gone out that Saturday, only to return around
Starting point is 00:09:20 midnight and then leave again around 1.30. To police, Rikkel's movements were hard to piece together. They needed to figure out how she'd gone from being fast asleep on her mom's couch to hours later being murdered and left under an interstate overpass. After speaking with family members, police wanted to talk to Rekel's exes and her current boyfriend. Rekel had two exes who were the fathers of her three children, but those relationships were from when she lived in New Jersey, so the men had no ties to Connecticut.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Each of those guys provided solid alibis right away and were determined to have been miles away in New Jersey during Raquel's murder. So detectives zeroed in on Raquel's current boyfriend, and they found out right away that Raquel's relationship with him was far from perfect. It was no secret among Raquel's family that her boyfriend had physically assaulted her in the past, and there was an incident that happened earlier on Saturday, right before Raquel was murdered. Here's Raquel's daughter Brenda again.
Starting point is 00:10:19 I recall telling the detectives when they questioned me that they got into an altercation. Don't remember exactly now what I had said then, but I had told my grandmother that mom's and her boyfriend got into a fight that day." Police investigators at the time knew that similar incidents had happened in the past. According to Detective Jacobson, interview transcripts with Brenda from 1985 indicate that she remembered one disturbing altercation between Rakel and her boyfriend had involved a pretty serious weapon. They said it was abusive, they were odd and off, she would break up with them, he would
Starting point is 00:10:54 get really upset and would slap her around a little bit. Brenda had even heard that within a month or two of her mom's death that he might have hit her in the head with a hammer. Detectives couldn't find a police report or hospital visit to corroborate the alleged hammer assault, and Rekel's autopsy did not show injuries consistent with having been hit in the head recently. But police did confirm through multiple sources
Starting point is 00:11:18 that Rekel had tried to break up with her boyfriend right before she was killed, but the breakup wasn't clean. For abused women, the national statistic is that it can take up to seven times to actually leave for good. And so if the allegations of abuse are true, it's not surprising to learn that the couple got caught up in a cycle of breaking up, reconnecting, breaking up, reconnecting over and over again. Police became aware of this when they actually spoke with the boyfriend.
Starting point is 00:11:46 He confirmed in his interview with police that Raquel had actually been by his apartment on that very Saturday night. He said that the two of them had sex, but he swore he didn't kill her. So while this is one possible explanation of the sperm found during Raquel's autopsy, at the time, investigators had no way of knowing
Starting point is 00:12:03 if that sperm was his. Aside from the allegations that he was a violent partner, police lacked evidence linking him to any assaults or Rekel's murder, so they didn't pursue him any further as a suspect. Detectives tried to get more information from anyone who might have been with Rekel out drinking that Saturday night, but witnesses weren't exactly lining up to be interviewed. At the time, a lot of people in Raquel's community were actually fearful of talking to the police. In the early 80s through like the mid 90s, the city of Hartford
Starting point is 00:12:35 had a real problem with street gangs, specifically some Latin street gangs like the Los Salitos and the Latin Kings. There seems to be a resurgence of them now, but it seems like a lot of people were scared to talk to police back then and would really provide very, very little information. Weeks went by with very few clues as to what happened to Raquel. There were some unverified sightings of her at a bar
Starting point is 00:12:59 called Amigo Cafe, just hours before she was killed, but again, police were having a hard time finding willing witnesses who would swear to that. Amigo Cafe just hours before she was killed, but again, police were having a hard time finding willing witnesses who would swear to that. But then, on July 23rd, a month after the murder, someone called in a tip, asking authorities an alarming question. Do you want to know who killed that woman in Connecticut River? The audio clip from that actual call is from 1985 and it's hard to understand, but Detective
Starting point is 00:13:34 Jacobson gave us the transcript. It was a woman talking to an officer at the Hartford Police Department. To sum it up, the caller said she not only knew the man who killed Raquel, but she provided his name and his address and she confirmed how she knew he was the killer. The tip says, yep, and his wife fled shortly after they went to Newark, they got out of town, that he was involved in it, and this is like right after it happened. We're censoring his name because it's off the record, but we'll call him J. Detective tried to corroborate the tip and track down J, but most people in town were not willing to talk about him, and there was no sign of him or his wife in Hartford.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Eventually, after weeks of persistence, detectives found a potential witness who reluctantly agreed to be interviewed about J. According to the witness, he'd seen Raquel get into Jay's car during the early morning hours of Sunday, shortly after Raquel left her home. The witness said he saw Jay again a few hours later, and by that point, Jay had changed his clothes and appeared to be upset. The witness said he'd heard that Jay, and two of his drug trade associates, killed Raquel over an outstanding drug debt that one of her family members had racked up.
Starting point is 00:14:48 The story was that Rekal's relative had lost some cocaine that was worth a lot of money. And because of that, the dealer didn't get paid and was furious over it. The men were over her discussing the drug debt that they were really upset and that they were going to go get her, because they thought that maybe she had taken it. I don't think it's the case, but they think that she had taken it and that they're going to go take care of the problem. The problem being Raquel. You can imagine how detectives felt while listening to this witness's story, like they were well on their way to solving Raquel's murder. But almost as quickly as the guy who was saying all of this came
Starting point is 00:15:25 forward and agreed to talk, he got spooked and put down his pencil during the interview and was like, you know what? Never mind, I'm out. Without a signature from the witness on an official statement, the detectives were left with nothing. Not a single word of what the man had said in the interview room could be used in court, and no matter how much the authorities pleaded with him, the witness was not changing his mind about backing out. So with no other cooperating witnesses, the investigation stalled. A year went by, with no answers, and Raquel's family was devastated.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Wana had continued raising her grandchildren, even though her heart was aching over the loss of her own daughter. There was a missing piece in their family, and they felt it whenever they were at home. Rekal used to teach her kids how to salsa dance, and they tried to hang on to those happy memories. Our birthdays were special to her, to her.
Starting point is 00:16:21 She made them special for us, and it was a big deal to her. Whether it was hard times or not, she made it happen. Little umbrellas, you know, she even though those were for little cocktails or whatever she used them for parties, she did her own little things. So certain things that she did back in the years,
Starting point is 00:16:40 so remind me of things that I see now as doors, and remind me of her and things that she did. In 1986, Raquel's family convinced the governor of Connecticut to approve a $20,000 reward for information leading to the killer's arrest. They figured a little public pressure and financial incentive might make witnesses reevaluate cooperating with the investigation, but ultimately people still wouldn't talk.
Starting point is 00:17:07 To avoid getting tunnel vision, detectives started looking into other possible motives for why someone would want to kill Recal. And when they did, they noticed a trend. Women all over Connecticut were being strangled and left for dead. At least 18 women were murdered in the state between 1985 and 1991. The slangs were so noteworthy that the state actually formed a task force to look into possible connections between the victims, even though bodies were being found in different jurisdictions. By the end of 1986, Hartford Police detectives began to suspect that maybe,
Starting point is 00:17:43 just maybe, Raikkel had been the victim of a serial killer who'd been operating in Connecticut. And those suspicions weren't completely unfounded. The other cases did have some similarities to Rikkel. They were all female victims and most were killed in the same way. Strangled and left-insucluded areas near highways and interstates. Five of the victims were all killed in Hartford. Others were found in different locations around the state,
Starting point is 00:18:08 but the state of Connecticut isn't that big. You can drive across it in less than two hours. At least one of the other victims was strangled and found along an inner state just a month after Rekel. She was also a petite woman in her 20s, and weirdly, her body was also discovered by fishermen, but not the same fisherman who found Raquel's body. A lot of the women that were being found had a history of sex work, and even though police
Starting point is 00:18:32 did not think Raquel had been a sex worker, her case was investigated as possibly being linked to the others, mainly because all the victims were part of marginalized groups and or women of color. The task force did have some success. They solved a few of the murders, but nothing in their investigation linked Rekel's killing to a serial murderer. Detective Jacobson wasn't surprised by this, because he thinks it's more likely that Rekel was targeted by someone she knew.
Starting point is 00:19:01 The random killing of people, although it does happen, that's such a small percentage of actual homicides that I really don't believe that that occurred. The case went cold in the 90s, but Rekel's family never stopped looking for answers. As her kids got older, they kept doing anything they could to fight for justice, especially Brenda. The loss of the mother at the age of 10 in the rock, you know. At one point, I remember she made a stack of flyers and walked up and down Park Street with her family, tacking them up on telephone poles and stuff, putting them in different bodegas and different stores in the windows, trying to seek information for her mom.
Starting point is 00:19:42 The ripple effect is something like this, a unnatural death like this that has on generations and generations of family are incredible. I mean, she's now a grandmother. So, Raquel would have been the great-grandmother. Even those kids are incurring about Raquel being killed and what had happened and why. By the time Detective Jacobson took over the case in 2005, he discovered that some major missteps
Starting point is 00:20:04 happened in his department after the case in 2005, he discovered that some major missteps happened in his department after the case went cold. Evidence had not properly been stored by the Hartford Police Department, and to make matters worse, the agency flat out lost pieces of evidence. Their evidence room had moved three times since the 80s, and items weren't organized and digitally marked with barcodes the way they are today. Detective Jacobson said key pieces of evidence that he knows existed at one point were now nowhere to be found.
Starting point is 00:20:32 There's some things missing like there were some beer cans that were collected at the scene. I don't remember the exact number but say there's 10 beer cans and they must have dusted them for fingerprints at the time and maybe Emily left with three or four. There's no notation what happened to the other ones. Maybe the lab just said there was nothing identifiable on it for whatever reason they got rid of them. The standards that even by the courts, eyes are much different in 2021 than they were in 1985. I actually went through and ripped through all sorts of boxes and tried to account for everything we had, where things have gone to different labs and everything else.
Starting point is 00:21:05 So what we have is not going to go anywhere. It's all very, very tight, but there are things that are missing that I wish I had. The police department had even lost Rekel's fingernail clippings, which might have had DNA under them. It angered me. It angered me to the point that I really thought MIME's case fell through the cracks. It's really frustrating, and the worst part is trying to explain to the point that I really thought my own case fell through the cracks. It's really frustrating, and the worst part is trying to explain to the daughter of a homicide victim
Starting point is 00:21:29 why I don't have something. Jacobson also noticed that as detectives retired in the late 80s and 90s, his department never assigned a new detective to investigate Raquel's case. Then, in 1997, major news broke about police corruption in Hartford that Major Lee derailed everyone's trust in the police, especially Rekel's family. One of the detectives who'd been the original lead investigator on Rekel's case was arrested and charged with 10 counts of sexual assault. According to an article that ran in the Hartford Current in 1997, a criminal inspector with
Starting point is 00:22:09 the state of Connecticut charged former Hartford Police Detective Joseph Marrero with sexually assaulting a 13-year-old girl. The article referenced unsealed court documents that said the girl first told her mom about the allegations against Marrero in 1995. And when that girl's mother confronted Marrero, he admitted to inappropriately kissing and touching the girl. Marrero was with the Hartford Police Department for 20 years and worked for a KELSE case from 1985 until his retirement from the police department in 1989.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Then he went to work for the chief state's attorney's office as an inspector. He also worked on the state's fugitive squad, which helped track down felons who skipped out on court in jail sentences. When the news about Marraeros' arrest broke in 1997, Rikels' family was like, well, no wonder police never solved her case. The lead detective was a criminal himself. Theories and rumors about corruption within the police department ran wild. The Marrairo scandal really steered a lot of attention away from cold cases like Rekels, and people, including Rekels family, began to deeply mistrust Hartford law enforcement. Mom's case had no chance of help.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Detective Jacobson says that time was extremely troublesome. Unfortunately, we're never always going on back in the time. I don't have control over. And anything's possible. I can't rule anything out, but it doesn't seem like what those cops are doing at the time influenced this case file. Years went by with no new developments, and Rekel's case never got any press coverage outside of Hartford. For almost a decade, the local publications just did a few anniversary stories here and there, but that was about it.
Starting point is 00:23:54 In 2006, in hopes of getting new leads or revisiting old plunds, the Hartford Police Department announced that they would re-up the $20,000 reward that was previously promised by the governor for any information that led them to Rekel's killer. And some of the local media coverage jogged people's memories and got them talking. It led Detective Jacobson to a brand new witness, a woman who had been dating a prior person of interest back in the 80s, one of Jay's drug trade associates. We're going to censor his name too, but we'll call him Paul.
Starting point is 00:24:25 I was able to run into girlfriend from back in the time, and I interviewed her in a city nearby, and she had actually sent to me. She said, well, I did it. When I knew he was a player, he would go out and mess around with all the girls, and you can all dress up, but he'd always come back to me,
Starting point is 00:24:41 and I loved him at the time. And she knew who Raquel was. The woman told Detective Jacobson about something that happened the night Raquel was killed that always left her suspicious of Paul. That same night had also gone out, all dressed up in a suit had gone out to a bar or whatever. And he came home with mud on his suit, scratches on his neck, and on his wrists. And his shirt was kind of like partially torn. And she was mad, figuring that he went out and had sex with a girl or what, who knows what he was involved in. And his explanation was that he had to help somebody fix a muffler, you know, it's
Starting point is 00:25:20 craziness. The woman didn't buy the muffler story at the time, but she was so scared of Paul that she didn't cooperate with police, but she still put two and two together in her head. Well, Raquel's missing. She's dead. They find her down by the river. He's got scratches on him.
Starting point is 00:25:37 And I haven't been able to interview him because I don't know where he is. The woman told Detective Jacobson that the information she'd been keeping inside all these years always bothered her. But by the time she was ready to talk, Paul had been out of her life for years, and she knew it was time to share what she knew with police. That new information helped Detective Jacobson go back through all of the old information with fresh perspective, and he theorized about how it could have all tied together, and
Starting point is 00:26:03 he strongly suspected that it was possible Paul and Jay worked together. My gut instinct, with everything that I've known since 2005, I really feel like it was probably the person who was directly involved in her death. There was definitely other men that were involved in getting her cow to that area, but I really feel like it was the person that most likely did it. Again, we're not saying the men's real names because they've never been charged with Rekel's murder. But Detective Jacobson said charges down the road aren't out of the question. He can't say for sure that Jay and Paul were tied to any gangs,
Starting point is 00:26:39 but he does think they were involved in the drug trade and Connecticut in the mid eighties. The issue is trying to find them today. Some of the people are dead that might have had information. Some of the people are moved out of the state, out of the country. So it's a little bit of work trying to track people down. Now if you're like me, you're probably wondering, surely Jay and Paul's DNAs in the system since they have criminal records.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Can we just compare it to DNA found from Raquel? Well, the problem is, their DNA isn't encodus because the other felonies they committed were prior to the national database being established. As he continued looking for Jay and Paul, Detective Jacobson wanted to tie up a few other loose ends. In 2015, he found the mysterious woman whose social security card was in Rakel's pocket at the crime scene. Police in the 80s didn't give much attention to that clue, but Jacobson just wanted to mark it off his list as a possible connection. I talked to her over the phone and the woman was baffled. She said, you know, I was two years old and 1985 or whatever it was. The woman lived in Chicago and had no ties to Rekel.
Starting point is 00:27:47 So that left Jacobson unable to explain why Rekel had the card. He was a dead end. Another avenue he tried to pursue was having new DNA testing done on the little bit of evidence that was preserved in Rekel's case. Evidence he thinks could point him directly to Rekel's killer. There was a sperm cell, which was huge to me. Really, really, that's massive. There's tons of DNA in that.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Unfortunately, when they examined it and they submitted it in for comparison to Kodis to look for other offenders throughout the United States. There was no match. Just because there wasn't a match to the sperm doesn't mean there won't ever be one. But if the motive was a drug debt and the sperm was from consensual sex that Requel had with her boyfriend before she died, it might be a dead end even if Detective Jacobson does get a match. He said it would still be good to rule it out one way or the other, since examiners at
Starting point is 00:28:48 the time couldn't determine whether or not Raquel was sexually assaulted at the crime scene. Detective Jacobson says that his gut still tells him that Raquel was targeted because of her family members' drug debt, not a stranger attack or a serial killer. He thinks her killers knew her, or at least knew her family. Poor Raquel paid the ultimate price when they saw her walking down the street at 130 or two o'clock in the morning, and you'd 30th.
Starting point is 00:29:13 But in the absence of a confession or being able to locate any suspects for interviews, it will take another good witness, or a genealogy match on DNA for him to prove his theory. Raquel Ramirez's murder has taken a big toll on her family. Her mom Wanda passed away in 2018 without knowing how or why her daughter was killed. Brenda, who's now in her 40s, has kept her mother's legacy alive through her own children and grandchildren.
Starting point is 00:29:41 They know who their grandmother is and they know how painful it is. Rical's kids, grandkids, and great-grandkids are still left seeking answers. It's the person that murdered moms or persons that were involved in murdering moms. I wish there were come forward in just in 36 years and I believe my mom's a certain type of person. To know that that person is paying for what they did, for what they took away from this man, they didn't take it away from just one individual. It took away from so many people.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Those are memories that were never made. Of days that were never set away. Not that I could get out of that. Just to get that just to see. Please, if you know anything about Rick Hell's 1985 murder and Hartford Connecticut, it's time to speak up. You can call 860-548-0606. The Deck is an audio chuck production with theme music by Ryan Lewis. To learn more about the Deck and our advocacy work, visit thedeckpodcast.com. So, what do you think Chuck?
Starting point is 00:31:17 Do you approve? Bye!

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