The Deck - Tawnya Dawn Knight (3 of Clubs, Kansas)

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

Our card this week is Tawnya Dawn Knight, the 3 of Clubs from Kansas. When 15-year-old Tawnya first vanished into thin air on a cold winter’s night in 1996,  law enforcement considered her a runawa...y,  despite her family believing otherwise. Months later, answers did come… tragic ones… along with plenty of questions about some of Tawnya’s friends and the circumstances of what happened to her that night. If you have any information about the murder of Tawnya Dawn Knight, please call the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office directly at 913-715-5560, or you can also email their tip line at: coldcasetips@jocogov.org.    View source material and photos for this episode at: thedeckpodcast.com/tawnya-dawn-knight Let us deal you in… follow The Deck on social media. Instagram: @thedeckpodcast | @audiochuck Twitter: @thedeckpodcast_ | @audiochuck Facebook: /TheDeckPodcast | /audiochuckllc To support Season of Justice and learn more, please visit seasonofjustice.org. The Deck is hosted by Ashley Flowers.  Instagram: @ashleyflowers TikTok: @ashleyflowerscrimejunkie Twitter: @Ash_Flowers Facebook: /AshleyFlowers.AF Text Ashley at 317-733-7485 to talk all things true crime, get behind the scenes updates, and more! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:03 Our card this week is Tanya Dawn Knight, the three of clubs from Kansas. The search for answers in Tanya's case began after her remains were found by a farmer on June 7, 1997. It's a search that has been ongoing for decades. But when Detective Natalie Bright of the Johnson County Sheriff's Office picked up Tanya's file in 2020, she realized that the reason the case was cold might be because of all the time lost early on. and the missteps of those who came before her. What is that like when you come into that? Like, I was pissed.
Starting point is 00:00:42 You see, Tanya had been reported missing six months before her remains were found. But at the time, law enforcement wrote her off as a runaway. Sure, they looked around some. But when someone said that they'd gotten a phone call from Tanya, they were quick to call off ground searches that they had planned for the very field that she would later be found in, six months. once later. Coincidence? Or a strategic misdirection that played right into old tropes. This case has layers, and Detective Bright is going to keep peeling them back one by one until she gets to the
Starting point is 00:01:20 truth of what happened to Tanya Dawn Knight. I'm Ashley Flowers, and this is the deck. The Beanfield in Spring Hill, Kansas, where Tanya Knight's remains were found, was a a couple of acres in size. It was situated alongside Highway 169 and partially bordered by the local cemetery. It was her skull that the farmer found first and further searches by authorities uncovered more remains, not buried but concealed deep in some hedges along the edge of the property. And despite how decomposed they were, Detective Bright told us investigators at the scene had a suspicion of who these remains belonged to.
Starting point is 00:02:36 I think they had a good idea that was more than likely, Tanya. She was the only missing person case out there that I'm aware of that I think that they were aware of. And when they immediately found her remains, they identified her through dental records. 15-year-old Tanya Dawn Knight had been reported missing six months earlier back on December 8, 1996. It was her father, Frank, and her stepmother, Judy, who contacted the police after she didn't return home from a sleepover at a friend's house the day prior. The police entered Tanya's information into the National Crime Information Center, listing her as a runaway.
Starting point is 00:03:17 But they still checked around town some themselves. There was an even bigger physical search planned for her. But at the last minute, the search was called off. Tanya's step-uncle went to the Spring Hill Police Department in person and reported to officials that he had spoke with Tanya on the phone. And he told them that Tanya was fine and that she was going to come back home. As soon as her family life was better, as soon as she got along with her stepmom, she was going to come back. Tanya and her stepmother didn't always get along.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And the police seemed quick to accept this explanation for her absence. Family drama, she'll be back kind of thing. When he reported that, they were going to do a search for Tanya in the field over there by the cemetery because of what the step-uncle reported that search was called off. The idea that she had runaway just never added up to her mother, Lori.
Starting point is 00:04:21 And she conveyed those feelings to law enforcement. I did have a conversation with them. And I said, you know, she's not a runaway. For one, she didn't take no clothes. She didn't take no money. You know, she didn't take any of that. If you're going to run away, you take some of that stuff with you. Lori stayed in Arizona where she lived, just on the off chance that she was wrong and
Starting point is 00:04:43 Tanya would turn up there. Tanya had moved to Kansas about a year and a half before she went missing to live with her father, stepmother, and step-sister. She started doing real good in school, a lot better than she was out here in these schools. And she seemed to like that school and, you know, getting involved in the activities. Despite the long distance, the mother and daughter. regularly kept in touch. She would, you know, tell me what she'd done lately, like, went to spend the night with a friend,
Starting point is 00:05:15 or, you know, she did get a part-time job at one of the grocery stores there in Spring Hill. And she was, she'd had her driver's permit working on that. The thing that Lori kept coming back to is that they called off the search because apparently Tanya had called someone and said that she had problems with her. stepmother and she was going to like lay low. But if that were true, Lori knew that Tanya's first call would be to her. She knew if she was having a problem back there with her dad or anybody, all she had to do was call me or her grandparents out here and we would be on our way to get her.
Starting point is 00:05:56 So she wasn't a runaway. And I think parents know their kids better than the authorities. But for six months, you know, it was just, you know, kind of sitting and waiting to see if we heard anything or, you know, try to contact the authorities to see if they'd heard anything yet. So it was, it was pretty upsetting because you worry. At the end of those six months, the very feel that they were supposed to search was now a crime scene, which the smaller Spring Hill PD turned over to the large. larger Johnson County Sheriff's Office. Their texts were sifting through to collect what was left of Tanya. If that search was not called off, I think they would have found Tanya's remains.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Then I think we would have been in a better spot than we are today. I promised you that this case has layers, didn't I? When Tanya's remains were found in June, that's when the step-uncle said, I lied. Well, only partially lied, he clarified. He really did believe the call happened. It's just he didn't get the call. His co-worker's daughter, who knew Tanya did, but she didn't want to get involved, so he stepped forward, thinking that he was helping.
Starting point is 00:07:14 Law enforcement obviously interviewed the girl, but it's not like things got cleared up. Yes, she said. She really had gotten a call, and she didn't want to come forward herself, so she told her father, who then told Tanya's step-uncle, but the details of the call were shaky, not the kind of things anyone should feel confident enough to call off a search for a missing teen. According to the friend, Tanya said all this stuff about wanting to stay away till her home life got better. Except, let's be clear here, Tanya never even said her name on the call.
Starting point is 00:07:49 This friend thought that whoever it was sounded like Tanya. Now, I'm not saying that she didn't get the call, but we're dealing with teenagers here. It's possible she was pranked. Another part of dealing with teenagers is they apparently ask zero follow-up questions. Who was Tanya with? Friend doesn't know. Can't say. Though Tanya mentioned being in Overland Park a little over 30 minutes away.
Starting point is 00:08:16 So you might be thinking like, okay, well, you know, where exactly did she call from? Let's just pull those records. It's 1996 when this took place. We're not talking about the dark ages. But Detective Bright told our reporter Annie Roder, that phone records are not part of the case file that was passed down to her in 2020. You know, I'm not 100% sure why those phone records were not obtained. It could have been because of the delay in time.
Starting point is 00:08:43 It could have been because six months later, when her remains were found, the Osh, like, oh, factor, maybe that phone call was important, or maybe it wasn't real. They're not 100% sure. And I think when it was initially reported, they believed him, you know, because you're going to believe a family member. And I think that's maybe why that they didn't initially get those phone records is because they wanted to believe that she did talk to him. It seems unlikely that Tanya talked to anyone after she was reported missing. Detective Bright believed that she may have been in that soybean field for nearly the entire time her family was looking for her. because with her remains, they also found her braw, one clasp torn, and more to the point,
Starting point is 00:09:32 the jeans that she was last seen wearing the night that she went missing. She was wearing a dark t-shirt, and she was wearing a darker color windbreaker, I think, like a dark blue one. Those items were never found, though there is some conflicting information out there that the jacket was found. Detective Bright confirmed that it was not, nor were the people. pair of Nike's that she was known to be wearing. What was found, though, was an item of clothing that Tanya's parents said was not hers. In the Spring Hill, Kansas soybean field, where Tanya Knight's remains were found, there was something discovered that her parents said they didn't recognize. There was a white t-shirt that was out there. It had kind of an interesting saying on it.
Starting point is 00:10:29 It said, if you don't like my attitude, dial 1,800 each. Detective Bright wouldn't tell us what size this shirt was or if anything was found on it, like blood or biologics. She's pretty tight-lipped when it comes to this. Though she confirmed a fact we found reported in the Olathe Daily News that, quote, imperfections described in the article as being, quote, compatible with puncture, were found on this shirt. The conclusion that's easy to jump to when you're listening to a try to, True Crime Podcast, and you know that this shirt was found near a homicide victim, is that those imperfections were caused by a weapon. But that's never been determined. Those could have just as
Starting point is 00:11:11 easily been caused by natural decay or even animal activity. But it still begs the question, was it the killer's shirt? Was it just a piece of clothing that she owned but her parents didn't know about? I mean, God help me if I tried to walk out of the house with a cussword on my shirt when I was 15. Maybe she borrowed it from someone that she was hanging out with before she died. Bright is extra careful to clarify that she doesn't actually know who owned this shirt when our reporter Annie asked if it could have been Tanya's. That's a great debate. There is not a definitive answer if that's her T-shirt or not. We have different reporting. I have somebody that says it was hers and I have numerous people
Starting point is 00:11:58 as it was not. Hers or his or theirs, this t-shirt was found inside out, as were her jeans. And that, combined with her torn bra class, begins to paint a picture for me about the motive for this crime. I don't have to stretch my imagination to get there. Sexual violence against women and girls is an all-too-familiar reality, a motive as old as time. Detective Bright won't comment on whether there were signs of a sexual
Starting point is 00:12:28 assault. But truth is, much like Tanya's cause of death, they might not know. Six months of decomp in an open farm field exposed to all of the elements and wildlife doesn't leave much for investigators to work with. The seasons that we go through in Kansas are very harsh. We have extreme colds. We have extreme heat and we have rain and we have everything in between. But just because the cause of death was unclear doesn't mean the manner was. Along with some sort of traumatic injury, the specifics of which Detective Bright wouldn't get into. The totality of what they were looking at told a clear story. I think the circumstances surrounding Tanya's death are very suspicious in nature. There's
Starting point is 00:13:18 no way that was a natural death. Making up for lost time, the Johnson County Sheriff's Office did something unique to try and solve the now homin. homicide investigation they had on their hands. What we do in the Kansas City metro area, when we believe we have a big murder case or a very complex case, they call it a Metro squad. And they invite numerous detectives from all over the area to come together as a team. The detectives immediately scramble and they start really trying to backtrack Tanya's timeline and trying to figure out where she was last.
Starting point is 00:13:59 Obviously, that starts with her parents. Her father, Frank, told investigators he last spoke to Tanya around 2 p.m. on December 7, 1996, which was a Saturday. She has to go spend the night somewhere, and her dad said that she was able to. That friend was Rachel. But when Tanya didn't return home the next day, and her parents called Rachel's house, guess what? Rachel was unaware that Tanya had said that she was going to go spend the night at her house. This switcheroo is like right out of the How to Fool Your Parents' Playbook. Who among us hasn't told a similar white lie to pull one over on mom and dad so you can be young and free because they just don't understand what it's like to be 15?
Starting point is 00:14:44 She doesn't want stepmom and dad to know that she's going to go to kind of the party house or maybe drive around town for a few hours. And so I get it. She picked a safe friend where I think she would get dad's approval to spend the night. Investigators discovered that the two friends Tanya actually went out with that night were Sarah and Crystal. So investigators spoke to them. Sarah at the time had her driver's license, so the girls told investigators they drove around, hung out, and met up with a boy. Pretty typical teen stuff. But as the night went on...
Starting point is 00:15:24 Sarah and Crystal wanted to go to a late. which back in, oh, the mid-90s, Olathe was kind of the more popular type town. They had more things to do because they had pool halls, they had some restaurants, that was just a great place to go hang out. Well, Tanya did not want to go with them. And according to Sarah and Crystal, she wanted to go to another friend's house in Spring Hill, Kansas. That friend is someone we're calling Sean. Now, we're using a pseudonym for him at the request of detectives as they are actively working this lead.
Starting point is 00:16:02 He was 16, so just a little bit older than Tanya, though he didn't go to high school with her. He had dropped out. Now, why Tanya wanted to go to Shahn's rather than continue hanging out with her friends is a little unclear. But Sean's house was known to teens back then, according to Detective Bright. His house was kind of one of those split-style ranch houses. you had a garage portion out front, that's where the kids hung out. That was the hangout spot for a lot of kids back then. They didn't go into the main portion of the house.
Starting point is 00:16:37 And there was a lot of times where mom and dad were not interacting with whoever was in that garage. The girls told police that they dropped Tanya off at Sean's house sometime between 8 and 10 p.m. on the night of December 7th. Sarah and Crystal told Tanya that they're probably going to spend the night in Olathe, and they may not make it back. And they said if they don't come back by midnight, they're not going to be able to pick up Tanya. Back then in the 90s, if you're out past midnight and you're a younger kid driving, you're probably going to get pulled over by the cops. Fair enough.
Starting point is 00:17:15 So it appeared Tanya might be flying solo the rest of the night. According to Detective Bright, Sean, on the other hand, wasn't. There was another boy at his house that night, who I'm going to call Luke, because they both are still people of interest. Now, these two boys told police a pretty typical story. They hung out with Tanya, they played video games, drank, smoked a little weed. And then sometime around midnight, Tanya decided to head out. She lived just a little over a half mile from Sean's house, so she was just going to walk. Like she did a lot since she didn't have her driver's license yet.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Now, walking in December sounds bananas to this girl from northern Indiana, but I looked up the temperature would have been in like the 30s around midnight, so could be doable for a kid living in the Midwest. So the boys say that she left the house on foot, and Sean's mom still awake at the time backed that up. So Sean's mom was first interviewed in 1997. right after Tanya's remains were found. And then she was re-interviewed shortly after that for a follow-up.
Starting point is 00:18:28 She actually had a close relationship with Tanya. And that when Tanya was over at their house, she would talk to her. She said she did ask Tanya if she wanted a ride home, and Tanya refused. She did see Tanya leave on foot from looking out the bedroom window on the second floor of their house. Investigators in 97 didn't seem to balk at this story, but Detective Bright has some concerns. First off, Sean's house was about a block from where Tanya's remains were found. Literally, right around the corner was a street that dead ended into a local cemetery,
Starting point is 00:19:04 the one that is next to the field where she was found. And which, by the way, that cemetery was a local hangout for teens back then. But you might be thinking, well, Ashley, what if she was picked up by someone else on her walk home? after she left, and they put her there in the field. Well, authorities considered that back in the day, and they looked at neighbors in the area. There was a few people that had been reported that maybe were violent with spouses or something like that,
Starting point is 00:19:35 but nothing to the extent of what happened to Tanya. By all accounts, the last people who saw Tanya were Sean and Luke, in Sean's house and then leaving it. Oh, and Sean's mom. But did she? Like, are we a thousand percent sure about that? Maybe. But, you know, you really are separated from the other kids down in that garage.
Starting point is 00:20:01 And what are the chances that you just happen to look at your bedroom window around midnight, 1230, and see her leaving? Our reporting team reached out for comment. But as of this recording, we haven't gotten a response. The implication is obvious. obvious. Could Sean's mom have been covering for something? Maybe something Sean did or Luke did or both. Detective Bright wouldn't tell us if either of the boys admitted to any physical relationship with Tanya that night. But at least one of the boys admitted to something else in later interviews. They were into hardcore drugs, such as meth.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Not just into them, but doing them that night. Now look, someone doing hard drugs does not a murderer make. But it just puts some huge red flags around Sean and Luke's story. Like you're lying to the police once. Are you lying again? And then there's just some obvious logical things Detective Bright points to. If Sean and Co's story is that Tanya left the house that night, okay, fine. But then what was her plan?
Starting point is 00:21:11 What happens when she shows up at home in the middle of the night after drinking, after maybe smoking weed. She had lied about where she was staying. She and her stepmother already had issues. It would have been an after-school special in the making. I think she would have been questioned. Like, I thought you were spending the night at someone. Maybe she could say, hey, it fell through or nothing happened.
Starting point is 00:21:31 But they're going to be like, where were you? What would Tanya say to that? Obviously, she's not going to tell her dad that she was hanging out with two boys who were doing meth. So she would have to compound the lie, making it even worse and more than likely getting caught. Now, her second option would have been to go to someone else's house. Rachel did live close by, but that would have had some of the same problems, if not more.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Would she have tried to go stay at our friends? Maybe, but also it was really late at night. You're 15. Without cell phones, you probably have to knock on doors or windows. And I don't know if Tony would have done that. If this went down today with ring cameras and whatnot, not to mention cell phones and social media, most of Tanya's night would have been traceable in some way. But in the mid-90s, investigators were flying a little more in the dark. But also, I think they had a hard time seeing what was right in front of them.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Because as fancy as it sounds to have the Metro Squad come swooping in, none of those investigators took some of the basic steps that Detective Bright, would hope to see in a case like this. Like Sean's house, the last place that Tanya was confirmed to have been at, it was never searched. Neither was a car that the boys might have had access to that night. Phone records weren't gathered either, although Detective Bright says at least in that regard,
Starting point is 00:22:59 attempts were made at some point. We come to found out that during that specific time frame, I think their household phone, because back then they had the landline phone. theirs was not working. As quickly as Tanya's murder investigation had kicked into gear, the Metro Squad disbanded. After your Metro Squad disbands,
Starting point is 00:23:25 because they have to go back to their home agencies, it falls onto the lead agency. That meant the Johnson County Sheriff's Office was back in charge. But one year turned to two, then three, and then you get the idea. detectives came and went, as did potential leads, but there was nothing that ever stuck. So by the time Detective Bright was handed Tanya's case in 2020, many hands had touched it, and a lot of time had passed. Kind of how I work these cold cases is I read everything, I make notes, and then I want to see what evidence we have.
Starting point is 00:24:06 And Tanya's case is one of the lucky ones where they still had evidence. No floods or fires destroying some off-site warehouse where they keep old evidence. It was right there, still packaged up, almost begging to be examined for the first time ever. Were any of those tested when this initially happened? No. Nothing was tested at all. Not from the crime scene. Got it.
Starting point is 00:24:34 What is that like when you come into that? I was pissed. By 2020, more than 20 years after Tanya was murdered, the only items Detective Bright could find that were ever tested were some items that weren't actually at the scene where her remains were found. And they were items she felt weren't even relevant to the investigation, though she wouldn't elaborate on what those were. But somehow, the original detectives in 97,
Starting point is 00:25:09 not to mention every detective after, failed to realize that the items found at the scene were never tested. It was so unfathomable, such a major misstep in an investigation that at first Detective Bright thought there had to be a logical explanation. I thought that maybe I just, oh, it was in a different folder because that's the other thing with these cases, and I know that. You have to hunt for a lot of stuff because they're old and they get misplaced. And we actually made a phone call to the crime lab.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I said, hey, what do we get from the crime scene? And she was like, oh, let me call you back. That's not exactly what you want to hear her in a situation like this. So she waited, hoping upon hope that she was wrong. And so we got a phone call a few hours later, and I was like, there's no way. There's no way that this was missed. And basically she calls back and said, well, Hooper's sitting down. because she goes, I think this was missed.
Starting point is 00:26:16 It hasn't been tested. And so my immediate response to that was stress and panic because I know we're fighting an uphill battle now due to time because things degrade and you have bacterial interference with stuff like that. and forensically, I know you're kind of in a bind a little bit, and I immediately was like, this was the first thing that has to get done, like, ASAP, like today. What, if anything, they have found as a result of testing items, Detective Bright wouldn't share with us.
Starting point is 00:26:56 But I know that if they found DNA, they don't have anything that is currently suitable for a database like Kodas. Though she appears to be hopeful that at least one piece of evidence might give them what they need one day. I will say that it's good and we can do something with it. And in the future, it's only going to get better. And I know that eventually we'll get something maybe a little more clear in the future with it. This is just me spitball in here, but I kind of wonder if it was the white shirt.
Starting point is 00:27:33 You know, the one that read, if you don't like my attitude, dial 1-800 each. Testing on that t-shirt is still ongoing, according to Detective Bright. Whether that has been at all useful forensically or not remains to be seen. But Detective Bright has put a lot of work into that shirt as a clue. According to her, investigators never really looked into it much, which feels like another missed opportunity. I have been tracking down, trying to find where that shirt came from for the last six years. She's also been tracking down some of the main players in this case, like Sarah, Crystal, Sean, and Luke.
Starting point is 00:28:16 She's even gone down the rabbit hole with that step-uncle who lied about Tanya calling him. And she's talked to the girl who claimed that the call did happen. Now, exactly what was said in all these interviews, or if any new leads or inconsistencies were revealed, that's not fully known as we weren't given access to the files. But it sounds like most have roughly the same old stories, albeit now with fading memories. Though there is one last story that we do need to tell. And it's actually more of a theory that a PI hired by Tanya's family shared with the Johnson County Sheriff's Office. He claimed that her murder involved several people.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Now, in most cases when he talks about this, he uses nicknames for the people. But we know who this theory is built around, specifically two of Tanya's friends that we've talked about, Sarah and Crystal, and one that we haven't, Steve McCarley, who this PI named publicly in an episode of the Status Pending podcast. One of her closest friends was Steve McCarley, and she hung out with him quite a bit. The PI believed the motive revolved around typical teen jealousy type stuff over boys. The PI theorized that shortly after Tanya left Sean's house, she was lured to the cemetery next to the field where she was then attacked. Now, admittedly, he has no proof of this. He had actually never investigated a murder before.
Starting point is 00:29:48 But this theory became a public narrative. These girls were talked about on the Justice for Tanya Facebook page, by the family. But for Detective Bright, working this case today, she's not convinced of their involvement. Sarah and Crystal, I don't think that they were involved. I think that from what I've reviewed and the evidence that I have seen and talking to Sarah and Crystal and we shorted up their alibi that night, I did not believe that Sarah and Crystal were involved. That alibi put them staying about 10 miles away with a friend in Olathe, as they had
Starting point is 00:30:32 suggested to Tanya might happen. We did reach out to Sarah and Crystal, but we haven't heard back from either of them. Steve McCarley died in 2019, so he's not someone that even Detective Bright got a chance to interview. Past investigators did, though, because he was a little too overzealous in helping with the case. And considering this case hasn't been solved, Detective Bright admits that she can't entirely rule Steve out.
Starting point is 00:30:59 But for her, she keeps going back to the people that Tanya was last known to be with that night. I believe Sean and Luke know what happened to Tanya. They were one of the last people to see her. And when I've done re-interviews with individuals, there's a level of cooperation. I think that goes a long way, especially with these cases. And when you get kind of some pushback from them, when you can tell they have information and they're holding back,
Starting point is 00:31:37 and I think, you know, that raises red flags for me anyway. Detective Bright calls both Sean and Luke persons of interest in this case. This year, she traveled to Arizona to speak with Luke, where he had moved shortly after Tanya's murder. According to her, quote, it didn't go as well as I wanted it to. It's important to point out that no one has been arrested in this case, which means for Tanya's family, no one has been held responsible, now almost 30 years later, something Tanya's mother, Lori, is all too aware of.
Starting point is 00:32:16 You know, I am hit with the reality every day that The person or person's responsible is walking around free as if they didn't do anything. Their family gets to see them. They get to spend time with their family. I don't. We don't get to spend time with Tanya. I would like to see them arrested. I want to see them face-to-face in court.
Starting point is 00:32:45 I wouldn't like to know why, but I doubt I'd ever get that answer. and, you know, they need to be put away for good. If you have any information about the murder of Tanya Dawn Knight, please call the Johnson County Sheriff's Office directly at 913-715-5560. Or you can also email their tip line at cold case tips at j-o-c-g-o-g-v.org. The deck is an audio chuck production with, theme music by Ryan Lewis. To learn more about the deck in our advocacy work,
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