The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Early Problem Every NBA Team Needs To Solve | Ep. 114
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All right, y'all, we're recording this after a just depressing week with a very sad outcome that left all of us upset.
And I know we had to mention it up the top of the screen.
We had to mention it at least once.
But the reality is now the Los Angeles Lakers have lost four of the last five games.
Anyways.
And the nation is shook.
We are back.
America is here.
The world are settled.
The world is straight.
The tectonic plates are even in balance.
Oh, wait.
That's how it works.
It's a sad day for a country.
Not the outcome I expected coming into the season.
It's not what I wanted for us as a people, us as a fandom, but we're here and we're
to make the best of it.
Yeah, man, how are y'all doing today?
I'm sad.
Listen, I'm doing great.
Last night, I was at a sports bar.
I watched Knicks versus Hawks.
I watched Zachary Richesay, Damon, aka French Harrison Barnes.
You remember that?
You remember that?
You gave him that.
You gave him that.
I didn't know I gave him that.
You gave him that.
The stream is on the internet, all right?
and I called Donovan right after the game
and I didn't say anything, but this.
Yeah, I was actually upset.
He did the bunch of me.
There's no words.
I was actually heated because I have,
and listen, we will talk about it,
but I have experience back-to-back games of this,
maybe even three games of this,
and Moe just calls me, doesn't say anything.
I almost didn't show up to him.
Because I knew this moment was about to happen.
I didn't know if I wanted to go through with it.
The Knicks are looking,
a little disappointing. The Lakers are floundering with the AD out last game. Lots of stuff going
wrong for a lot of teams. So today, as you guys see by the title, we're going to talk about
one early problem facing every NBA team. So, you know, some teams are doing good, but we're
going to look at one thing that can do a little bit better to, like, you know, hit their max potential.
Some teams are completely drowning. We'll talk about that. Just, you know, one small or big
problem for every single NBA team. Let's get into it.
Oh, my God.
I mean, I don't know what to say.
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Donovan, do you want to talk with the Knicks first?
Yeah, let's just get out the way.
Because there's multiple problems.
There's like, I know we're only talking about one thing.
There's two big problems with this team.
You must pick one.
one problem for the nicks what's the first one okay i guess the the overall most concerning
problem is that they can't guard anybody and it just it just doesn't matter like the nicks have
one of the best offenses in the league despite you know some late game issues we'll put that aside
they can't guard anybody and they can't stop anybody at the rim and it seems like everybody can
get a everybody can get a rim if they everybody can get to the rim if they want to you can get layups
all day.
Cat is not stopping anybody at the room.
He's not like the, and this is, we knew this coming in.
Like, we tried to convince ourselves that, hey, maybe the offense is so good that they
will be able to win games and, you know, still be the two, three seed out.
You still be able to be competitive.
But the issue that you saw on night one against the Celtics, the team perfectly set up
to exploit their weaknesses, you saw the absolute worst case scenario of what the Knicks
could look like. Throughout the first seven games, in a lot of their losses, it has been because
those weaknesses have shown up time and time again, and they can't, they can't guard anybody.
I tried to, I tried to fool myself into thinking that McKell Bridges and O.G. Ninobe and Josh Hart
on the perimeter would be good enough to sustain. But when Jalen Brunson is not a lockdown
defender, right, to say the least, at your point guard petition, when Karnathy Towns is not
Rudy Gober at all, he's not, he's not Isaiah, he's not Isaiah Hartenstein at, at, at the
room. You can't do anything. And then when he goes to the bench, you got Jericho Sims coming
in the game and he's not helping either. So it's- That's the biggest issue. It's awful.
Is their bench is non-existent right now. And if I had this team, my biggest issue would be they
have three guys I can play on their bench and even they can barely play. The fact they're
running at eight-man rotation, seven games into the season is insane. It's been this case all
year. And they just need Mitchell Robinson back, like desperately. They need the ability to have
him come in when cats on the floor, play them together to mitigate some of cats' bad rim defense.
they just need more good players
off the bench,
specifically someone who can block shots.
And the good thing is, though,
you're saying you sound kind of doom and gloom.
They got a guy waiting
to come back around January.
So I don't think,
you said we thought
they could be a two or three C
because the offense.
I still think that.
I think once Mitchell Robinson
comes back,
we'll keep our fucking fingers crossed
that he stays back
and doesn't get hurt again.
That's the issue.
But I...
Yeah, that's the problem.
You know every single year
that he's going to miss a lot of games.
And you said, you said,
you know, oh, it's not like
he's coming back next week.
You talk about January
Another month of basketball is going to be played
At least 30 games are going to be played
Half the season before Mitch Robinson comes back
And I know that a lot of the East is going through
A lot of injuries like Orlando's going through their stuff
With Palo
Today right before we started recording
Tyrese Maxi was announced that he's going to miss
You know several weeks with a hamstring injury
Milwaukee sucks
Like all the teams that you thought were going to be at the top
They're going through problems
so maybe the Knicks can, like, sustain that.
But still, getting to January and not having a backup center is crazy.
And you saw the Knicks, like last week, they had their rookie on a two-way contract.
They signed him to like to an actual deal because eventually he's going to have to, he's going to have to play.
My man, Hookporty.
He's going to have to play center because the Jericho Simmons minutes are just not cutting it.
Mo, does it make you happy?
Of course it does.
Look at the smile at my face.
Oh, man, listen, I hear you, Donovan, and I'm happy to hear you cry, pout and have a very, very terrible night.
It makes me happy.
But also, on like a real, on the real tip, too, seeing the Knicks be so top heavy is concerning, but that's just what happens with most teams when you, whenever you make seismic trades in one singular summer.
Usually you don't see trades like this happened, like an organization do two back-to-back moves in one summer.
Two of them is like enough, but two.
You acquired $30 million in contract with McHill Bridges
and then fucking $55 million in contract with Carltonetowns.
Yeah.
You got to send a lot of people out for that math to math.
So it doesn't, it's not surprising at all like you said.
It sent out six first round picks as well.
Exactly.
That's crazy.
Exactly.
And one singular summer too.
Usually we see like a lot of teams have one of these moves in them or once every like
two, three years they try some shit like that.
But one in one summer is insane.
And so this is like not surprising also considering who your head coach is.
and whatnot something that I'm happy about and things is that Macau Bridges his shot in his back
and he reverted into you know giving up the gimmick that he was trying to when he was trying to
have a faster gimmick yeah exactly exactly he's him now try to get better
such a stupid ass to shoot like last year but yeah he's back and it's a great thing to see
but also there's just roster construction issues at this point in time yeah and honestly
is very predictable and it will be fine
for a playoff setting if Rich Robinson is there
but if not it's not surprising at all
it like we said this is what you expect
from the Carlton Towns experiment
the numbers bear it out exactly as you'd expect
you said everybody can get to the rim
they're actually not that bad in rim volume given up
they're like 15th so the middle of the road and how often
people get there but the problem is
when they do get there it feels like it but
let me tell you why it feels like that because when they do get
there they are 28th in efficiency
so anybody that gets there
is probably going to finish over Carleton's
because his rim defense is famously terrible.
I've given him credit he was pretty good as a power forward next to go bear last year
defensively, but as the five anchor in defense, he's not good at all, especially when the
point of attack defender is often Jalen Brunson because they force him in actions.
And what's interesting is I mentioned they're not very high in volume, so like they're doing
a good job stopping people from getting there, but they're doing that because they're
focusing on helping their wings inside and really rotating hard at the rim to prevent that and
really help cat.
And because of that, they're 29th and three point volume giving up.
So that is letting people shoot threes and hoping that that's going to have a better outcome
than everyone finishing over Kat, and it's not going well.
Because not only are people getting any shot at the rim and finishing it well, but also
getting any three they want, that's not a good formula for good defense whatsoever.
I'm so frustrated.
I'm so frustrated.
Because even on top of that, and I know you said one, no, we're going doom and gloom.
I'm saying, here's my second thing is that when, like, games like last night and the game
before against the Rockets.
The leg game offense has been really, really bad.
And people are, you know, Knicks fans, you might see them starting to turn on Brunson.
And I don't want to go that far.
But there, you've, we've heard him time and time again say, like, I have to be better.
I have to get Kat more involved.
That's a real thing because there was several times last night, we're down the stretch.
Cat was open.
And Brunson had to just turn his head and give him and give Kat the ball.
And it would have been a wide open thing.
And I think that Brunson is right now.
the way that he's playing, it feels like he thinks that they're still in last year's
playoff mode where they have absolutely like no depth. And yes, the bench is, no, no, no,
in the way that like the bench is not good now, but like your starters are also not
competent. You have competent guys around you when you're closing it. And it feels like he's
trying to play hero ball a lot and you don't have to do that. I feel like that just burns his
game. Naturally, he's a shoot first type of player.
Yeah, exactly.
He's never been like a high level of elite passers.
When you talk about Jalen Brunson, you never talk about his passing.
That's one of the last things to talk about when it comes to his offensive game.
This isn't shocking, though.
Yeah, yeah.
They need time to adjust.
They added a star center.
Hardenstein is a great offensive player.
He was perfect for Brunson because Hardinstein is a passing hub that can, you know,
Brunson can run off the handoff and Hartnstein can focus on delivering the perfect passes.
The guy's going downhill.
Do all those connecting stuff.
Cast the opposite.
You connect for him because he's a play finisher.
You want him to get open threes, you want him to reward to the rim.
It's an entirely different style of offense that Brunson has to adapt to you.
I'm not super concerned about that yet.
That's something that is always going to be an issue.
We're seeing the same thing with the Timberwolves with them adapting to playing around Julius Randall.
But in an inverse, you make a deal right before training camp starts.
It's going to take time to get used to that.
He better.
It's getting frustrated.
No, listen, Adam, maybe they don't never do, but we need to give that element more time.
I think the defense thing is personnel, but the offense needs time.
I think the offense definitely needs time.
I agree.
but when it comes to just like overall offensive predictability,
they'll probably have a lot harder over time,
harder of a time getting more creative in the playoffs and whatnot
because they don't have the connective tissues like an Isaiah
and Isaiah Hardinstein are guys of that nature anymore.
So it's going to be tough.
They'll figure it out though.
I think their offense will be fine.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Let's talk about the second team.
And, you know, we're doing one problem every NBA team has early.
This is a team that doesn't have very many problems.
This is a team that's been on top of the goddamn world,
and that's the Golden State Warriors.
A team.
So my one problem with the Warriors right now they have
is that John the Cominga doesn't look particularly good.
He is not shooting as well at the rim.
He's down to 60% down from 70,
which is still pretty good, but not amazing.
He's not shooting the three ball well.
I think he's been kind of a ball stopper
getting into his mid-range shots,
and his defense has been terrible.
But it doesn't matter because they're amazing,
and they are fantastic.
And I guess before we get into the John the Cominga stuff,
are y'all finally willing to admit they're good?
I want to see what they look like
for the remainder of this stretch for the next yeah for the next it's four games i they have they have
they have games against cleveland okayc Dallas and memphis and this was the five game stretch that last
week we said we will wait until the end of this stretch and then we can make proper assessments about
this team because you know step step will be back they would have played all the stinkers and these
are like real real test and so on next week's episode i will 100% be able to
to tell you whether I think this is like real or I'm buying it.
But I'm still like, okay, let's see, let's see.
But there are some signs from them that make me feel more confident about them
than I did coming into the season.
Mainly, interesting.
Mainly Andrew Wiggins being good at basketball again.
Yeah.
It's Andrew Wiggins and then also it's buddy healed learning how to be not completely useless
on defense anymore.
He's actually playing defense these days.
And that's something that's obviously been like a glaring hole in this
career whenever he's not shooting the ball what is he doing running around looking for the three-pointer
but now obviously with the worries he's running around with more intention and Steve Kerr has put
him in position to actually be more versatile or useful defensively and that's something we've
never seen before in his career whether it be in Sacramento new warrants for a hot second or
the 76ers yeah so you guys are still need to wait and see I get it I get it it's only it's only one game
against the Celtics in which I didn't have Jalen Brown and didn't have Porzingis you know making them
easier to guard. For the second week in a row, I'm here to tell you, they are real. I'm fully in
on them. They're, they're a very good team. Last week I said, I think they'll end up being the
seven seed. Going higher. I think they're a top six. They're probably like the four or five seed.
I think they're going to be really good all year. They're an extremely good team. Wow. I've seen
enough. And again, I'm not necessarily, I don't care that they beat the Celtics. Like I said,
it was a close game. They're Celtics Runderman. I don't care about who won or lost that game.
But the process, what we saw against a good, a good, well-coached team, everything defensively
that they've been doing all year
to just shackle all the shitty teams they played,
it held up well.
They are the most aggressive defense in the NBA.
They lead the league and double team rate by far, actually.
It's a huge amount.
I forgot they said on the broadcast.
It was a large portion of their plays.
They're blitzing screens.
And you know, you play the Celtics
with no Jalen Brown, no Pursingis.
They have less help.
More role players out there,
less guys that can create the ball in their hands.
So they said, Jason Tatum,
anytime you want a screen,
we are blitzing you.
And we're not just blitzing you with anybody.
It's with Andrew Wiggins and Draymond Green.
That duo are, at the season in today, they would both be first team all defense.
They're defending out of their mind.
I think to this point, Draymond Green is the DPOI.
It's either him or Chad Holmgren.
It's one of those two, and I would lean Draymond Green because the warriors have less defensive
talent than the insanely stacked.
Okay, see, Thunder do.
But you have Andrew Wiggins defending like a first team all defense guy.
Draymond defending like a DIPO guy.
They're super aggressive together.
They had the perfect game plan to slow down the Celtics.
We're going to double team Jason Tatum, and you're going to have to beat us with Peyton
Pritchard getting the ball swung to him with the rotating defense around him. It's just super
smart, well-coached team. They have a ton of length. I mentioned I think Andrew, John
the Camiga hasn't been very good. He's big. He's tall. They have more length there. Gary Payton
plays big for position. You know, he's a big one. He's, you know, plays large. Curry is always
a smart IQ defender. He's been doing really well this aggressive defense. They have the
personnel to do it and the highly coached team. We know offensively they're going to be a top
10 offense every year by the nature of having Steve Kerr, Draymond Green, and Steph Curry. I think
the defense is fully real because of Andrew Wiggins' bounce back and because of their
positional size at every position, that sounds to me like a top 10 offense and a top 10
defense, which means you're going to be a good team all year. Yeah, that's fair. And I'm with
you. Like, I think, I think Kaminga is the odd man out and him offensively. Like, we were
talking about this in the summer when we were talking about, oh, the word is going to give
Kaminga the extension. It's like, do you really, really feel like, I know, I know this is
commonplace to just give, you know, your young players who you are kind of betting on to give
in the contract, but in your heart of hearts, do you actually believe that Jonathan
Kaminga deserves $150 million from you?
God know.
Yeah.
And so it's kind of playing out now.
And the way that they're playing, it feels obviously like, actually no, it feels like
2022-esque and just like, you know.
Oh, yeah.
And like how good their, the defenses.
And if you can get Kaminga or somebody else in that role to start playing, you know,
that Jordan Poole role where he can come in and be efficient, good offense.
and be a spark where step and draymore are going to do that thing andrew wiggins you know
remembers how to play basketball uh but he healed is doing the clay thompson role you can you there
are a science here for them to be you know able to make a very very deep playoff run and be one of
the top teams in the west yeah um right now they're bench okay so let's talk more about why i was down
on them i didn't like this team coming to the season because i didn't see the vision with john the
Kaminga, and I thought they needed Kaminga to be good, to be good.
I clearly supple them the rest of their talent.
I focus too much on my Kaminga issues, but the Kaminga issues are still there.
I think they're a very good team, but if they are able to trade Kaminga for a piece that
makes sense, like a Cam Johnson or another bench ball handler, whatever may be, they could be a
truly great team.
Like you said, Cam Johnson would be so good.
It'd be insane.
Because right now their bench, their bench lineups are heavily carried by Buddy Heald being
God's gift to shooting.
When you ever Joseph Curry and Dram won off the court and they have these Buddy Hill bench
units, they're just running him around screens and he's the past, he's the offense by running
around screens and causing issues and passing from there. Yeah. And it's worked amazingly because
he can't miss a three. I don't anticipate that being the case forever. I think eventually he'll
normalize. So like, I don't know, maybe 42% from three, something that's still amazing.
Yeah. Yeah. They need some more bench, um, so they can, you know, continue this level of offense
whenever he's not being God's gift of shooting, like I said. And yeah, to me, that's John the
Kaminga. He just doesn't make sense there. And no one also on the topic of the fact
that I underestimated them.
I was thinking about it.
I tweeted about it this morning.
The reasons I underestimated the Warriors
are the exact same as the reasons I underestimated
that Timberwell was last year.
It's the same thing as last year.
Speak on it.
Okay, so two, three seasons ago, whatever it was,
whenever they first got Gober and Cat,
I convinced myself to believe in them.
I bought stock and they shit the bed.
They were terrible, right?
Weren't good that first year.
So the next year coming into it,
I was like, you're going to have to show me.
You're the tendency to me until you show me this duo
can work together because I think it's terrible.
And they came in.
And they were amazing last year,
where it ended up like the 3C,
but there were one C for most of the year.
Same thing this season.
Because last year,
I made a video in the second half of the season
where I saw the vision,
Camingo was playing well,
and I bought in on the Warriors.
I have a whole video on my personal channel
saying the Golden State Warriors are back,
don't count out the dynasty yet,
and they proceeded to play horrible
end of the season.
And then, you know,
finishes the 10th seat or whatever.
It was terrible.
So coming here this season,
I was like,
you're going to have to fucking show me
because I'm not buying into the shit
again to get burned.
And I let that, you know,
I overlooked some,
reasons why they were going to bounce back. I let it, I let my emotion make me overlook the fact
that, you know, Dremont got suspended for 16 games last year. He got injured. That's why their defense
wasn't very good last year, not necessarily because their personnel sucks. They were still a top 10
offense, even though I have issues with the Kaminga thing. So two years in a row, I was guided by
emotion and I slept on a top team in the West. All those things are still there, though.
Like, like you still, like you still have issues with, with Kaminga. You still have the night
tonight, you know, volatility of Dremont, if, you know, that's ever going to happen.
They just got two, like, Andrew Wiggins is, Andrew Wiggins being good again and being a, like,
not only competent, but an actual like plus defender for them and a plus player.
That's massive compared to, hey, this guy has barely played over the last two years.
And then even whenever he's on the floor, it looks like he is worse than Minnesota, Andrew Wiggins.
And that's the thing.
We assumed he keep being bad.
there was reason we know we knew about the off the court stuff
you could be optimistic and you could have seen it coming
that he'd bounce back to normal how old is bad for two
years though is crazy he was bad for two back to back years
first year understandable last year it's like okay
yeah I was 20 again I'm not saying I'm not saying we're idiots
I'm not apologizing I was just wrong it happens I don't give a shit
so like I'm not saying it was terrible logic but it's easy to see
where I went wrong now when I was guided by what I was guided by
high 20 20 games that's what you got to do
you got to look back and see where he went wrong that's it
exactly 20 games into the season
I relate
So I'm not apologizing
Warriors fans on Twitter
I've been talking well about them
And some people were like
Stay on that side
I saw the pod
Go fuck yourself
I'm not standing on shit
That happened
When I was making predictions
Without seeing a team play
I'm not apologizing
For being wrong
It happens
Fuck you
Yeah
Going to war over
basketball opinions
That are not even finite
Absolutely hilarious
As if we're not allowed
To change their mind
Or just like
Be real
I gotta have a take on 30 teams
I'm gonna get seven or eight of them wrong
Because I can't get them all right
I'm sorry, forgive me, Warriors fans.
Go ahead.
Please accept me back.
Yeah.
But no, man, they're good.
They're good team.
I need to see it for 20 more games.
I need to see the sustain for 20, 20, 25 more games.
But I will agree when it comes to seeing how they're winning is not something that I envisioned.
Seeing their defense be monstrous in having to see, like you said, Andrew Wiggins and Jermon
Green and the.
Gary Payne, juniors of the world, just blitz you on a consistent basis.
It's just, I didn't see that duo coming, being a real thing again, defense.
Yeah.
So if they're going to hang their hat on that end while also having Staff Curry and Buddy Heald
and all the innovative offensive movement that they consistently had over the last few years,
there's a pathway.
There is for sure a pathway.
I'm not sure if there's a pathway for them to legit be top six in the Western Conference.
Because I think other teams are eventually going to be.
bounce back. It's a long season, but this is a great sign for Warriors fans.
Thanks. Listen, they already had, their 7-1. They're already building a good lead.
This early lead matters a lot. It is a long season. They can choke, but getting out to a hot start
helps a lot. Nothing's unsustainable. Like, sure, Buddy Hill's going to calm down a little bit.
So, they're winning with the lead offense. They'll go from being 90% one percentage to like
75, which is still like the three seats. Yeah, the defense don't move. Offense goes up and down for
sure. And yeah, I agree
with you 100%. Hopefully
they go ahead and get rid of John and Gamingas soon
so they can see real leaps.
Who will that be for? No idea.
But we'll see. Okay. What's your first team?
We spent a lot of time on these first two teams.
What's your first one?
You know our game.
Yeah, we are. The episodes are always
top-loaded, but we'll get to every team, man.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. That was fun. It feels like
10 minutes just flew by instead of 30. Oh, my God.
Anyways.
Well, we're 30 minutes?
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Actually, we're about 22 minutes in.
First team that I have talking about.
Early problem that I noticed with the Memphis Grizzlies.
I'm sorry.
It's not like you're about to throw up.
Here, ball.
No.
Anyways, the early problem with the Memphis Grizzlies is that, okay, we sit down.
I sit down here.
I notice that their defense is not elite as it once was back in their 2021, 22, 22 season.
Cool.
That's fine.
this team gives up a hell of a lot of threes.
I think their top three in terms of three point attempts given up so far this season.
It's open season for them.
They don't care.
That's just how their offense has been or their defense has been designed.
And I think right now we can all agree like their biggest problem is probably health off, off bat.
But their defense specifically on off, specifically giving up threes hasn't helped at all.
something that they've been known for the last few years.
Noticed me just an overall big, long, lengthy team is their rebounding.
They've been pounding the boards for years upon years since this like New John Morant
and Jaron and Jaron Jackson Jr. duo became a thing.
And they haven't, they've been doing that still, but not to the same level of this like potency
just yet.
I think they're 12th and overall rebounding so far this season.
A couple years ago, or even 2023, 2021, they were hovering around like fourth, number
one fifth in rebound per game and now they're just like kind of middle of the packish or whatever
and for now i guess that's fine as you start to have key wings and role players start to come back
whether it be the gj jacks of the world or the vince williams of the world but also i see like
new guys flourishing like jalen wells who i didn't hear of or no until like this the last two
weeks. So really the three-point shooting is their defense philosophy right now in terms of
or maybe it could be luck also. Maybe it could be like because they're actually up to 11th
defense already now. After the last game, yeah, they're 11th and defensive right now. So I think
it's normalizing a little bit. Yeah. Especially they give up a lot of threes right now. The whole
time their defense has been good. They're there are funneled to the interior type of defense because
they want you to attack their strongest defender, Jaron Jackson. So they always allow got much
shots at the room. But usually they prevent the three as well.
when they were good two years ago, it was 32% of shots at the rim and 37% from 3.
Right now it's 43% from 3.
So they have to tighten that up a little bit, which to your point, I think it probably
has more to do with the fact that there's a lot of perimeter players that aren't used to being
heavy-minute guys there that they're really having to figure out and keep them disciplined.
Like, as great as Scott Pippen Jr. is playing.
As great as Drake-Loravia, all these guys have been playing, they're not Vince Williams,
Jr. They're not Desmond Bain.
So, you know, they got tightened up on the rotations out along quite so many threes.
But I think they'll be fine
when they're healthy.
Yeah, I agree.
Based off of where they are right now,
I think all Memphis Grizzan fans
should be happy as hell
because things could be a lot worse.
Yeah.
It didn't be still there.
Shut out of the Grizzlies.
You have the first team we're talking about today
as a very, very minor issue
that will help itself with time.
But then again, they're never healthy.
So maybe it'll be a thing forever.
Maybe Vince William.
I could easily say health is the biggest issue,
but that's me.
And as though right now,
they have a foundation,
which is good to see.
Shout out the Grizzies, man.
Don, what's your next team?
Let me see.
where I want to go to.
So my next team that we're going to talk about,
let's talk about the Cleveland Cavaliers,
another team at the top of the conference.
Oh, they're undefeated.
Yes, they have,
they have an issue that they've had for several years,
which is their best, like, their main lineup still is not good
with Mobley and Allen on the floor.
Like, they still have not figured out how to fully maximize it.
And we've said plenty of times that it's probably structural.
And so there probably isn't like too, too much that you can do
to make this one of the, like, absolute best lineups in the league.
But it's still concerning because you know that if everybody's healthy,
those four guys are going to be out on the floor.
And unless Kenny Atkinson is like, actually, no, Jared, you are going to sit down
because the way that Evan Mowgli is playing this year, he has to be on the floor to close games.
And so it's, it is, I don't know, it's just very, very interesting because,
Right now, when Mobley is on the floor and Jared Allen is off,
their best lineup, they're plus 24 and a half.
When Alan, when Jared Allen is on and Evan Mobley is off,
they're plus 8.8, which is, again, still, yeah, still 80th percentile.
When both of them are on the floor, now, there's like a million lineups with them,
but like the actual main one is minus point five.
So they still haven't figured out how to do that and I at this point I just don't think it's going to get fixed
I just think that this is yeah this is this is who they are and so it sucks because they're you know
they're eight no and we actually like them and they're playing really well but there's an impending move
that needs to happen and so like Jared Allen I'm sorry I don't even think it's that big of a deal
I mean so yeah their starting lap is really great and if so one Kenny Ackinson has been a lot better
about the bus staggering them completely.
They don't even play that much together.
They just pretty much just start and close games together.
That's like it.
They have essentially,
Cavs fans like to say they have two starting lineups.
Exactly.
They have the starting lineup that's Donovan Mitchell
and Jared Allen being the duo
and the one that's Garland and Evan Mobley.
And that's why they're 9-0
and that's why they're so unstoppable
is because they have those lineups
that you mentioned with one of the bigs
that are all crazy positive
and they can have one of those duos
on the court at all times.
And you mentioned that's always an issue
because for politics reasons
you have to play your best players
at important parts of the games.
I think in a playoff setting, in games that matter, you would see him bench Jared Allen for the final five minutes of the game.
They would start them all to, you know, keep the rotation intact, but they would just close games.
They have Moby at the center.
So the regular season, it gives you a big advantage of chewing innings and having every minute of the game.
You have an elite big, an elite guard out there.
And in the playoffs, you have the versatility to ride the hot hand.
And really, with sand injury is the biggest thing.
One of those bigs can get hurt and it barely matters.
If Kenny, if Kenny Akinson is willing to do that, then cool.
like I'm okay on it and I see the I see the vision but we'll see and also if that if that like
does become a problem because you know ultimately you're going to run into the Celtics in a
playoff series and now that now that Darry's Garland is back to playing like Darry's Garland
which also I'm ready to take a victory lap for all three of us because all three of us have stayed
the course we have held our Darry's Garland stock we told you guys listen he had a broken jaw
and lost 12 pounds he's he was healthy this off season he's coming in into the season all good
and he is hooping so shout out to dari's garland but they can never make me hate you never
when you get when you get into a playoff series against boston like i i just hope that they're willing
to go to that change and do the necessary things before it's too late you know like if you like after game
one if you see that you see that jared like this this is just not the it's not the series for you right
and we'll do everything else.
So that's my big concern,
which is everybody's concerned.
Yeah, that's what they'll do for sure.
I'm not concerned at all.
I'm in love with this team, man.
Seeing that they have like literally two starting lineups,
as an opposing team,
you usually get a break whenever the star player is sitting down.
Whenever the Luca has to sit down,
it's like, okay, Kyrie led offense,
that doesn't put like much fear in my heart.
Dame led offense, don't put much fear in my heart or whatever.
Or Jamal Murray, Russell Westbrook led offense,
no fear in my heart.
almost every single team in the NBA
does not have two forces
that they can rely on at all times
and the Cleveland Cavaliers have that
rarity that no one else can say
outside me
the Boston Celtics or in the Oklahoma City Thunder
what is it? They have
well we hyped up with the thunder
having Hardinstein and Chet and the fact that they have
two bigs that can play together if need be
but are going to be amazing playing separate
and being able to have one of them on the court at all times
this is the same shit now those guys are better
because, you know, check and shoot
so they can actually play together
at a high level.
Exactly.
But it's the same type of thing
where you're going to have
interior dominance for 48 minutes
and it's just a,
especially for regular season
chewing up wins,
it's a crazy cheat.
Especially X,
and you have two exterior dominance
as well on a consistent basis.
And these guys get to face
against like the seventh,
eighth, ninth man,
night and ninth dudes coming off the bench.
And at that point of time
is just like free,
free food.
It's a buffet.
And they have good wing depth now.
And they have really good winged up.
Yeah,
this is terrible.
They're racking up wins
They're good
I saw a tweet today
The East is 10 and 26 right now
Against the West
God damn we're getting Molly walked
We need to do better
They suck
10 and 26
The Cavs also have really good
Wing death now
Dean Wade has been fantastic
Sam Merrill has been
fucking knocking everything down
Ty Jerome's been a good backup point guard
Like
Yeah
I was two years too early
With my Cavs hype
But they're finally here
I liked them
When they didn't have
shit for shooters
On the outside
And I tried to pretend
It wasn't a problem
Now they fix this
And now they're great
Look around you
We built this
sadly I sold my stock last year
but I'm buying it back in now
I didn't hold long enough
it was a long hold
okay what team do I want to do next
we've been in a lot of main character teams
let's do a more overlooked team right now
let's do
do I actually
so I had the chat GBD split these lists up into three
a list for all of us have 10 teams
I forgot I got only main character teams
all I have is big market
I got absolutely cooked.
I got the...
Mo has the background.
Tray blames of the world.
I got the goddamn...
Do I have the Utah Jazz, too?
Oh my God, I have the Utah Jazz Pistons, Spurs.
I have the Raptors and the Wizards.
I got a stinker.
Okay, so I guess I don't even know the really cool team.
The Phoenix Suns.
This is abundantly clear.
I don't think it'll take much time for me to explain this.
Their biggest problem, their one early problem early in the season,
is that they employ Yusuf Nerkich.
and Yusuf Nerkich stinks
Hube last night though
Good I'm glad I didn't bounce by that game
Shout out the Miami Heat for letting Yusuf Nerkich go nuts
Dude
He has been such a lump of coal
Amongst a diamond mine
Like he has been such a terrible
Just dark spot on everything else
It's been amazing
In The Phoenix Sun is led by Mike Boonhooser
Bradley Beal looks really good playing on and off ball
Tice Jones is playing his traditional point guard role
Great Kevin Durant looks amazing
He looks like the best I've seen Kevin Durant in a long time
Devon Booker's Devin Booker, whatever
There's one name I didn't say there
In the starting lineup, and that is Yusuf Nerkich
Who has been outright terrible
If they can replace Yus of Nerkich somehow, some way
They probably can't because they're a second apron team
With little than no flexibility
But if there's a world in which they don't have to start
Use of Nourkech come playoff time
This team will be insanely hard to beat
Because he has been weighing them down so much
Aside from this game we're watching against them.
Yeah, this whole highlight tape is going to be Nurgich, he went crazy
That's because the heat suck
And we'll talk about them later
I hate the heat.
Right now their offensive rating is 7.6 points with him worse than when he's off
They get to the rim 2% less with him playing
Which you would think they get to rim more when you play your you know best big man
Not the case because he's not a rim throat at all
They get the transition plays the offensive rating of transition is 5% worse with him on the court
And they rebound 12% worse with him on the court
Their biggest body makes them worse at the rim and worse rebounding
It's nonsense
This has been the case for like two years now it has
It's not surprising.
Yeah.
And when, like, as soon as they made the trade to go to, to get NERCage.
And like, yeah, because they traded Aiden and got, got NERCage back.
And it's like, as down as I was about A and I was like, he's still better than NERCys.
Like, NERCHAG is this big guy.
He can't, you can't move like that.
He was coming off of major, major lower leg injuries.
And now we're two years removed from that.
He's older.
And there's just, there's just nice.
We're like, yo, like, what is, what is going on?
so yeah his decision making has been horrible he's trying really hard to use his passing ability it seems
as his high hub post guy passing has been terrible it's just been like something perplexing
plays where it seems like he's just not fitting in and he's trying to make it work and trying to
provide value somewhere by over emphasizing his passing and it's led to just like dumb turnovers
where you're like keep the ball moving man stop trying to make it a use of nerkish play it's not
working yeah yeah i mean when it comes to how anyone would envision the use of nurkich being
productive in the NBA today it is like you know can you shoot and can you like pass a little bit
and he's been trying finding for his life to go ahead and do all those things and they're just
not working it's sloppy that's hilarious bro yeah so yeah when it comes to them every every six
games though like every six to eight games he's going to have one game like this and so don't be fooled
do not be fooled for the majority of the season the sons will be better if they have
a replacement for no kids and then come playoff time no kid's he's gonna kill them in like several
games yeah and again nothing they can do about it their second apron team hopefully the um
their young center i'm forgetting his name now the second round pick hopefully he can uh blossom
as the season goes on to take big minutes away from him but this is just going to be the weakness
all year and that's you know that's team building for you when you have three stars got to tragic scene
tragic scene all right you want to move on yeah what's next team okay I
I'm ready to talk about another team that has a problem.
And it is my Atlanta Hawks.
Okay.
This season so far has been had really high highs and ups so far.
We've lost about half of our rotation, just three, four games into the season.
And we've been running the Rotties of the world.
We've been running the Keaton Carson of the world.
We've been running all these.
I said Keaton Carson.
Kaysen.
My bad.
Keen Kaysen.
I said Carson.
Keen Wallace.
You're saying all the wrong names?
What the hell?
You gave his last name from his brother's first name?
Yeah, that's hilarious.
Keene Wallace is of the world.
Keen Wallace.
I text you the other day and I was like, who the fuck is Keene Wallace?
And you were like, that's Kaysen Wallace's brother.
I was like, oh shit, I forgot.
He got a brother?
Shout out to him.
I was watching Random Hocs game and I was like, who is this guy getting so many minutes?
Yeah, he's good.
But yeah.
He's fine, I guess.
We've been running guys like him.
King Wallace
Zachary Rishisei
starting for us
it's been rough
it's been rough
but we've seemingly found way
to go through all this turmoil
and find ourselves in a four and five
record we just defeated Donovan's
New York Knicks I love that for us but
there's no issues and of course the main
issue is like you know we absolutely
suck when it comes to
Triung being off of the court he has to do
every single living thing for us offense
just a couple nights ago. I'm so happy no one talks about this, but we went up against the
Boston Celtics and he scored two points. Blitzed his ass every single time. Every time he would
get blessed by two big ass six eight, six seven dudes and he wouldn't know what to do. Pass it over
to Jalen Johnson. Of course, Jalen Johnson in this position of his career hasn't fully
developed as a great second option just yet. He just got thrown onto the scene and he just passed
it back. I don't know what to do. Tray Young did his best Julian Newman impression that he does
once in a while. Just tucked it up, airballed. And we got spankton. We scored 93 points in the big
year of 2024. It's going to be 2025. We need another creator. All right? And also we need our guys
to be healthy because we are putured when it comes to our death so far. Yeah, this team lives
and dies by Bogdanovich, which is crazy. I was pretty high on them because I see the formula
of Trey in length. And I just underestimated the importance of that second ball handler with
Bogged on or could be somebody else
so they made a move.
They have so little depth of that position
because they have so many wings and bigs
in their lineup that they absolutely need
Boggdon to be healthy or the offense just can't function.
Yeah, exactly.
But shout out to the Knicks for giving Jaylon Johnson
a get right game.
He went berserk against him.
He's been going berserk over the last six games.
He big tripping.
Oh my God, he's been putting up in numbers.
He's been crazy.
I think he's like top 20 in the NBA and rebounds
in general was probably grabbing like 12, 11 a game.
Yeah, he's been insane as a light
and he's clearly figured it out.
I'm happy for him.
But another issue that I have
found with this Hawks team is also
surprise surprise they're still trash
at defense especially whenever you lose
a lot of your big wings or whatever
early in the season that's just what happens
and I think I believe they give up
about the second
most threes in the entire NBA or maybe
the first they're absolutely atrocious
and this is the complete opposite I believe from what happened
last year last year they're a team
who played a lot in the passing lanes
and they got a ton of deflections
that was like an inflection point that was the
main emphasis for Quincy
Snyder. And it's a complete opposite this year. He's like, okay, how about we don't
let anybody get to the rim. And we're one of the better teams when it comes to protecting
the paint. But that comes to the sacrifice for this team that is kind of strapped when
it comes to defensive talent. Dyson, he's amazing, but he can only do so much for this team.
Jam Johnson, great defender, can only do so much for this team. And that concludes our
Atlanta Hawks talk, hitting over to Sharp 4-minute timer.
Sharp 4-4-10. That's hilarious. Get out of here.
Next thing we're talking about is the Denver Nuggets.
So what is the one problem that Denver Nuggets have?
I sure wonder what it is.
If only there was somebody that could understand the flaws of this lineup.
It couldn't be me.
Any ideas?
Should be calling some help?
I don't know.
Donovan, any ideas?
Um, listen.
You know,
where can you start everything?
Play the hits.
Play the hits.
Play the hits.
Go ahead.
Oh, okay.
Well, the hit would be they have no fucking bench.
Their bench is abysmal
They have the worst depth
In the NBA
And you know
The poor got poor
Because Jamal Murray's been out
For two games
And Aaron Gordon just got hurt
He's gonna be out of least two weeks
They just have no good players
That it's real simple with him
Their biggest problem is they don't have enough good players
Now last night
I did have a really great win over OKC
that I love to see
Russell Westberg had the best game
I've seen him have in like three years
He had like 29 and Ted
He was hooping
He went three for four from three
He's been really good filling in
In for Jamal Murray when he's been out
Surprisingly he played great
But you know, you lose Aaron Gordon, you lose Jamal Murray
when you already had no depth, you got even less depth
and they just don't have no good players.
Now we'll say, Christian Brown has looked really good
pretty much the whole season.
His numbers have been fantastic.
And last night, Peyton Watson looked as comfortable
as I've seen him in a long time.
He had a game-winning block to beat the OKC Thunder
and played really well.
And they're empowering these young guys
and they have been looking better as of late.
And I think it'll be enough to them to be a solid team,
still be the fifth seat or whatever may be.
but you know long term they're going to have a problem with not having a strong bench all year
they're going to have to be like the nicks in the playoffs and have a eight man rotation
and they're going to they're going to need to be fully healthy to make a splash and i do think
they're going to be able to get by but if they want to win in championship they have to have
perfect health and even then they have to have great performances in the top four guys that make
those max contracts yeah man i don't this team really really scares me because yokech has to do
like so much everything he has to do everything and in like
previous seasons, you'll look up and Yokic will still, he'll have stat lines like he did last night
where he has like 23, you know, 18 and 16. You're like, wow, like this is the best player in the
world. But it felt, but he was getting those numbers in the flow of the offense and everything
was still, you know, becoming relatively easy. He has to force, he has to force the issue every
single time because if Yokic is not actively creating, they are not getting anything good. They
are not they're not getting easy buckets they're not getting good looks and i think for them like
the the defense over the next two weeks is what's going to be extremely critical because obviously
like without errant like they're already not a great defense they're you know the tour is the
bottom third of the league in defensive rating when you lose erin gordon obviously that's going to
you know put a strain on that and really put a test to that so how how how many games can you
survive without and without erin gordon obviously you feel decent because you have yokech and
like as he said like you're a young guy so you guys who you guys have been banking on for the last
year and some change they're starting to look good but they were down uh they were down heavy
in the in the first half against the thunder and that can easily happen against a lot of other
team so i'm i'm kind of worried about them if yokech doesn't have 23 18 and 16 every single
night yeah i know he will be because he's going to have to be the MVP this year for them to be a
good team and that's what it is and normally that'd be a shitty proposition but when you have
Nicole Yokic, who is the man most capable of carrying that load and being the superhero they
need, I kind of think he'll just do it. I kind of think he'll just have another MVP caliber
season and he's probably the only player in the league right now that I would feel decent about
still betting on them to be a solid team. Yeah. How far now with this injury news happening to us
right now, where do you envision the Denver Nuggets being seating wise in like the next
month or two? Playing. Like six probably. Well, you said month or
too so the word i think they'll be like how far what's the record right now uh they currently are
what's up the NBA app i think they're about 500 revolving around air they're currently a seven seed at
five and three above them is the sacramento kings the Dallas mavericks and houston rockets
golden state warriors okay c and phoenix there'll probably be same seating about that yeah about
the same they're like they're like what they're two games over over 500 give me a game over 500 for
them and they'll probably be in the seven or eight seed in the next like month or two yeah i think
they'll finish a season at like six or five if they really heat up the second half of the season
so i again with yokech they can withstand these injuries and hover around 500 whether erin gordon's
there or not it's going to be about the same i think yeah okay okay yeah what's the next team
uh let's talk about the new Orleans pelicans gross my their biggest problem is like
they don't even know what they have everybody's dead their whole team fell apart right now right now
they herb jones tray murphy dejante zion and cj have all missed multiple games this team has like
it's brandon ingram shout out to them because now they're like hey if you want to if somebody
wants to trade for brandon ingram look at what he's you know able to do this is peak you know
trade candidate building but they have they have nothing they don't know what they don't know what they
are they haven't been able to to remain healthy and it's just this this is this
This is a season from hell and you look up and they're like in the, you know, they're in the 11th or 12 seat every single night.
They can play you close for the first half, but then if you're playing a better team like the Cleveland Cavaliers, over time, you know, over the course of a game, you're just going to lose.
You just don't have enough bodies to sustain a solid record in the West where every team is good and every team was sleeping for a second.
So yeah, like their big, big thing is they just all.
aren't healthy.
Shout out on
Williamson.
He's been scoring
better as of late
ever since the last
episode where I was like
I'm getting really
frustrated by his play
as his island fan.
It's looking a little bit better.
And then he got hurt.
But there's just nothing.
Yeah.
There's just nothing
to ascertain from this team right now.
They're so injured
that I'm not even watching
them over the past week.
I'm like, I have so many teams to watch
the Pelicans are on my
don't watch list because I can learn
absolutely nothing from seeing a team
without six of their top eight players.
Like it's ridiculous how injured they are
to the point where
sorry Pelicans fans.
I know you might have clicked on this video
thinking you'll get some insight
I don't have it for you
because there's nothing to be learned right now
Yo, the rookies looking nice
he's messy and I hope
and I like what I'm seeing
from Jordan Hawkins
cool stuff
Shout out of that
It's hard to give them
any real judgment right now
It's hard
But you know who I can give judgment to
Who?
Tell me about Sacramento Kings
Holy shit
I'm supposed to come in here
Being negative and all that
But I'm sorry I can't
They have been amazing
And always
You don't got to be negative
And always
You're not obligating me negative
Come to my head right now.
I have to be negative.
I can't lie again.
We lie all the time.
All right.
Fantastic.
I think, I don't know about you guys, but I know me personally, I was lower on them heading
into the season with the old DeMargarosa acquisition because I'm just like, you guys
are a three-point shooting team.
Last season, you didn't have, you weren't really that great on that, on that end of
the floor.
And now you double down and you're kind of like changing your whole identity.
And that's what they did right in front of our eyes.
Two years ago when they first hop into the scene and there was one, when the,
the whole like light the beam thing started they were by far away like at that point in time
the number one offense in like NBA history they're like making historic runs and leaps and
all that by just chucking three chucking three they're basically like the Indiana Pacers
of last year same stuff then a year goes by okay everyone has tape on them they know their game
and it's time to go ahead and make the next step they don't injuries happen to them and their defense
their offense falls off a little bit.
Dearen Foskos, their injuries and whatnot.
Cool, but their defense rises.
This year, this is the best that their defense has been in a very long time.
I believe they're 11th or 12th on that end of the floor.
That is absolutely ridiculous, considering they don't have the profile of top tier defenders on their team.
Now we could sit here and be like, oh, suiting luck, strength of schedule, on all that.
Excuse me.
Very, very fair.
Why are you laughing, Isaac?
None, go ahead.
You're not even to spit some shit.
But I'll say, they've been very impressed so far this season.
The only thing that I could point to when it comes to this might be an issue long term
is that Darren Fox hasn't looked like Darren Fox for almost like the top tier version of
DeR Fox for almost a year now.
He's shooting like 29% of the three point line.
It's looking like when it comes to just like figuring out who's the best player on the team,
I can't say that clear enough.
Some nights, it looks like Demontasabonus.
Other nights, it looks like DeMartorosen.
I think if the team is going to be the best version of the Sacramento Kings,
whatever version you think that looks like in your mind,
it has to go behind Deerunton Fox because I believe he is the most potent dynamic player here.
But they've been figuring out ways to work.
I just think that if their best player in my mind,
DeNar Fox cannot hone in and figure out ways to either knock down that three-point shot
on a more consistent level,
then I don't know how far they can go.
But right now, it's all green for them.
They're exactly what I thought to be.
I picked them to be eight.
I thought DeMarre Rosen would come in.
Their offense would be really, really hard to guard
in the regular season.
And it has been.
Sabonis and DeMarl look fantastic.
Sabonis is having a great season.
Him attacking the room right now has been so good.
There was a play in the game last night.
I was watching as the Raptors
where they hit him,
they passed out to him at the three-point line.
He did his little pump-fick in three.
Everyone knows he's not going to shoot it,
but the Raptors suck,
and they closed out hard.
And he attacked the close out and got to the rim.
And he moved,
so fucking fast.
I was like,
that's the fastest
I've ever seen
Demanta Sabone's move.
He teleported
from the three point
line to the rim.
I was like,
is that John Moran?
That was ridiculous.
He looks very spry right now.
Attack the room is been fantastic.
Damar's being Damar
and he's filling in the gaps well.
Deeran Fox is playing through a broken hand
that's going to be playing through all year.
So I don't have hope
that he'll look fantastic
compared to a couple years ago,
but he'll be fine.
I don't buy for a second.
Their defense is good.
Like you said they're 12th right now.
They've played the worst offenses
in the world.
Exactly.
think their offense is very real.
They're currently, what are they in an offensive rating?
Fourth, in our predictions episode, I said, I think they're going to be like a top
seven offense in the league, but be bad defensively.
I think that's exactly what they're going to do.
Because defensively, in their last games, they played the Raptors, the Heat, the Raptors,
the Hawks, the Jazz, the Trailblazers.
Murder this row of terrible offenses.
I mean, the Hawks are top eight on it in, so it's like, shout out to you, but outside
of that, it's like, God damn, bro.
Yeah.
Did they play, it was, I don't, Bogdan's been hurt.
So it's not like they, the Hawks scored 115.
So I'm sure I don't remember what happened that game.
I'm sure Trey didn't play great.
I'm sure it was a good offense to that game.
Regardless of the fact, they've been trying to do their job.
They've been trying to do their job.
Shout out to them on that front.
I couldn't wait for this moment.
It's as advertised.
I couldn't wait for this moment.
I was waiting for Isaac, who's wearing the Sacramento King shirt to come on here and
start hating.
I need it in.
I got it.
It's funny because last night when I was watching the Kings, I was like,
Sabonis looks so good offensively right now.
And I was really looking close.
And I was like, damn, his defense still sucks.
I was like, this rim defense is still terrible.
RJ Barrett was getting to the rim so easy last night.
I was like, damn.
Still to modus.
But no, his offense is very fun to watch right now.
He's having a great season.
Yeah, I agree.
And that's what this team's going to be.
It's going to be an offensive slanted team.
And that's good enough to get the eight seed.
Yeah, exactly.
Now, as time goes on, will they be able to maintain the 12th, 11th defensive rating that they have?
Probably not.
But if they can be middle of the pack, which is what they were last year, and their
offense is going to elevate and wait
that I didn't foresee happening personally
they might be higher than they
yeah yeah I mean yeah
we'll see what the injury luck is like but they can be as high
as six to eight there's a range for everybody
and if they keep defending well they can get hired in that range
yeah
all right it's my turn
I think so let's talk about the team playing them and the footage
you're looking at right now let's talk about the Lakers
yeah
all right what is what is one problem the Lakers have
quite a simple one they don't have a lot of good
fucking players they don't have a lot of good players
They have four good players on this roster
That's it
And last night
They played the Grizzlies
And two of those four good players
weren't playing
And they are terrible
That's the biggest issue
Obviously to be more specific
They have a terrible defense
I mentioned last year
I was really frustrated
With Darvinham
Because he was coaching a team
That was the worst transition defense
In the league
At a terrible offensive rebounding team
JJ Redd came in and was like
We're going to crash the offensive boards
And we talked about that
In the preseason when he was key kept saying that
We're going to crash offensive glass
that's because he looked at this team realize
there's no way in fuck
he can coach a good transition defense
because their defenders are horrible
and that's a dead mission
so he said we're just going to crash the boards I guess
we're going to try and get some strength out of this unit
and that has bared itself out
their defense is horrible
they're currently a bottom two defense
in the league still the worst transition
defense by far
and it's real easy to see why
Anthony Davis as amazing as the defensive
big man as he is he's always been
a pretty bad transition defender he doesn't get back
super intensely.
Teams outrun him defensively all the time.
So you start there, you're one good defender.
That's not his strong suit.
LeBron, old as hell.
Rui Hachamora, not a good defender.
You know, we're starting to see the poor defensive talent
for transition stack up.
They look at their backcourt,
and that's been the biggest issue.
If I'm going to narrow it down to where the lack of talent
is heard them the most,
their starting backcourt is DeAngler Russell and Austin Reeves.
Yep.
We all like Austin Reeves.
Very good offensive player.
Fine defensive player.
fine, but he should be the worst defender in your striking lineup to if you want to be a good
team. Having him next to DeAngelo Russell is so unbelievably unathletic that there's no, it's
impossible to have a good defensive backcourt specifically in transition with two poor
athletes and your one and two spot. You kind of see that happens sometimes with the Mavericks
because they know they have Kyrie and Luca who aren't super athletic in terms of like
defensive abilities and sometimes they deal with that issue too. But they're Luca and
Kyrie so offensively they're fucking godsend so it doesn't matter
Daniel Russell is the opposite of a godsend he is I don't even I'll stop from saying
something mean but he's not been good this year offensively or defensively
JJ rec actually called him out yesterday in a press conference which is crazy
all right already we're not 10 games into the season and and it's one thing to just
be like yeah like you know we felt like we felt like we feel like we can get an
advantage somewhere else so this is why we went with the lineup we're already getting
effort talks you know like
a lot beyond ever he's saying that boy don't pay he's not playing hard like the whole team is
not playing touch to detail dude they call he's calling him a dummy basically after he watches he's
not trying yeah yeah it felt like it felt like it felt it felt very like parental or like like
guidance counselor because he was he was like you know we've been having these issues with de angelo
you know we've been talking about this stuff for for weeks it felt like we were in a parent
teacher conference and it's it's very very clear you know that he's he's obviously frustrated
and the stuff that we've been talking about for two years in terms of d'angelo russell being
being traded or i guess a year now he's he's he's on a block like let's just start let's just
start the cycle early right normally we have to wait until you know november 15th uh or when
it uh when is it December 15th or january 15th i can't remember either either either one of those days
Both.
There's, there's, there's, some people get, are tradable on December.
Some people tradeable in January.
Yeah, I've, I forget.
DeAngelo Russell is going to get moved because, he's gone.
Yeah.
He's gone as shit.
So it was Rui.
Rui and DeGle Russell should both get traded.
Who the hell's going to want Dilo?
I can see value for Rhee, but Dilo?
It's contract.
It's money.
It's filler.
It's filler with the pick.
Dilo and a pick.
Come on, come on down.
Let's run the back.
Lake his face.
They just, they need a Derek White, Jalen Suggs type of guy.
They need an athletic guard who can defend with,
who can still be non-offensive liability.
It's like not a market smart.
And those guys don't grow on trees.
And if they do, they're not available.
So it's hard to get one of those guys,
but that's precisely what they need.
Yeah, if you could, like,
if you could insert Jaylen Suggs
into their starting point guard lineup,
they'd be great.
But Jalen Suggs was the number four pick in the draft.
He's a pretty valuable player.
You don't just get those guys.
Get ready to speak Zach Levine, buddy.
I wouldn't hate that.
But the money wouldn't make sense.
But, you know, a lot of people on Twitter
are starting to be like,
you told me J. J. J. Reddick was the godsend. He's looking real
Darwin-Hammish right now. And I just need people to realize that this roster also
sucks. I like J.J. Reddick a lot. Everything is not offensively is really good.
He cannot make this team a great defense. I was optimistic as hell
all summer. And where did I put them in our predictions episode? The fucking seven
seed. Because I was like, it doesn't matter. I said I think they're going to be a top
eight offense. But their defense is going to suck. And what do you know their defense
sucks? And that, you know, same place is the kings. Great offense with a bad
defense. You're the seven and you're the eight seed. That's
what you get. And it's been no surprise. But it's been even worse, though, because some of the
guys that we banked on being decent bench players have been terrible, i.e. Max Christi, who got paid.
He is now out of the rotation, seven games of the season. Damn. For Cam Reddish. For Cam Reddish.
And some people were like, all he needs is just a chance. Listen, Cam Redis, he gets a minute. He
could be a real productive NBA play. See, and Cam Redis sucks, but people were like, you guys got
on Garber Han for playing Cam Reddish. Now, Jada is doing the same thing. The real issue here,
is that Rob Plinkin constructed a roster
that led to two coaches
feeling like their best option
was to play Cam Reddish.
And that's the real flaw here
is that they just have no defensive wings
that can do anything.
So these coaches keep going
looking at the roster and like,
well, I guess I got to try Cam.
He'll try hard defensively.
He's long.
We'll see what happens.
It's better than nothing.
And that's where we're at.
Yeah, calling out,
the main thing from last night is just
calling out effort,
not even 10 games into the season is scary.
And it's crazy.
Oh, Gabe Vincent stinks, too.
I forgot about him.
He's also not very good defensively.
Well, we, listen, I had some hope he'd be a decent defender this year.
He was a part of the Black Magic Miami.
And so it's like, you know, as soon as, as soon as you get him out of that system,
for a lot of guys who play in Miami, as soon as they leave there, they're not going to be as good.
They don't have, you know, voodoo over them.
So it's, yeah, it's tough.
The Lakers are who we thought they were.
They're going to be a good offense when AD's there.
Wasn't there last night.
Office wasn't good either.
Showtime.
defense is going to be bad unless they make a big move and get rid of those first round
picks tough scene for lakers fans right now tough scene but it's not even that tough they just are
who we thought they are well i guess some lakers fans got their hopes up after three no start i was
you know cautiously happy about it but they just they're still the lakers whether or not they have
whoever whoever's the coach they're not going to be a good defensive team true tough scene man
i believe it who's the next team who is it all right i believe it's on me we can keep this kind of
short. Let's get the Portland
Troy Blazers the fuck up out of here.
This team is trashed. They don't put
in no effort when it comes to nothing. This team
is dead last when it comes to box out.
This team is dead last when it comes to
deflections per game. When it comes to
just random stats like that, it tells you everything
that you need to know. Their biggest
off-season... We knew that, though. We knew that. Yeah, exactly.
Their biggest off-season acquisition
was Denny of Dia. He's been
absolutely terrible.
I was going to say the same thing. I don't want to say that
he was supposed to be their savior or whatever, but I
Lee, I came in here saying, like, yo, he's a good player.
He should be a building walk.
Yeah.
Denny would be your savior.
Good luck.
Good God, I'm praying for you.
But, yeah, this team is just overall in hell.
Yeah.
This team is overall in hell.
Welcome.
Shout to the Wizards, bro.
The hate watch is going well for Denny.
Yeah, listen, they weren't expected to be good, so it's not exactly a big problem that they're bad.
But the biggest problem is Denny has not been anywhere close to what you'd want from him.
He's shooting in 19.
percent from three. He has a 33% effective filial percentage. He has been a brick layer and that's
not great. And from a team that all you want to see from this team is individual player development
and having some promising signs for a young rebuilding team. Not a great sign. Yeah, exactly. It's not
like anyone was expecting like any real like production from this team overall. We just wanted to
look at guys and be like, yeah, you can stick around for the future. Yeah, you can stick around for
the future as well. And Denny of Vial was supposed to be like one of the more surefire consistent guys
on this team, someone who's carved out a role for the Washington Wizards over the last few years
and was actually super productive.
And yeah, whatever.
That doesn't help alongside with Scott Henderson having his normal struggles too.
Yeah, it's a tough scene over there.
Very tough scene.
Yon, Yon, Yon.
What's the next team, Donovan?
We are going to talk about the Toronto Raptors.
And for them, you just haven't been able to, you haven't been able to see your young core.
Like, RJ has been playing well, but Emmanuel quickly has played 14 minutes this year.
Scotty Barnes has been hurt for a long time and for those two guys especially for quickly who you paid this off season you need to be able to have some hope you know get them reps together because after like we saw quickly take a little bit of a leap but it was still very clear that he needed time adjusting to being the league guard and now he's not getting time to you know to to do exactly that and so that part is is tough the defense also sucks and they you know they're getting leaped from guys.
getting leads from RJ Barrett, they're getting leaves from Grady Dig, but still, they can't
guard anybody. So they're not healthy, they're not whole. And from a young team, like, you want
them to at least, you know, try hard. They're never going to be, like, the best defense in the
league, but they are like 29th and half-court defense. And that is, that's crazy. Yeah, it's like
the same thing as you said with the Pelicans, that your biggest problem is you just injured.
Sometimes, you know, you don't want to say something that simple, but, you know, sometimes it's
that simple. It is what it is. They just don't have their best.
players. Yeah, and there's a couple, there's a couple teams on, on this list for me and for you
guys where everybody's just hurt. Like I, we've only, throw them out there. What are the ones
you have where people are just hurt? Let's throw all the injury teams that your simple issue is
injuries. Who else is it? Okay, actually, no, I think I'm good actually. The Celtics. I have the
Celtics. I have the Celtics. The Celtics, your only issue is Jalen Brown is injured and started
slow and you don't have KP. So right now you're dipping deep into your reserves and you're just
not as dominant as you could be because
you don't have your best players. Other than that
you have no issue. Do no issue, Celtics? Let's get them
out of the way. The Orlando Magic, we're absolutely
cooking when their best player was on there. Now
their best player is not simply not on their team right now.
Pauld McHara is getting off to a slow start.
Jalen Suggles. He did a good game last night. Yeah,
he's starting to find his footing. The last two
games, I believe he's put up like 22 and 29,
starting to find his footing. But
everyone else needs to step up overall.
Health. Same thing can apply for the
Philadelphia of his 76ers.
Absolute hell. Donovan just told us that Tyrese Max is going to be out for a few weeks.
Joe Embed, who knows he's going to come back, health issues.
And then also on top of that, too, suspension for the next three games that he's supposed to come back.
It's tough scene over there, too.
Can't about await these.
Raptors, Celtics, Magic 76ers, lightning round, you all need to get out of the medical tent.
That's all you have to watch for right now.
Until then, we can't learn much about your team because you're losing such key players
that what we can ascertain is irrelevant.
I don't care what I see from Eric Gordon.
Andre Drummond and Kyle Lurie right now.
Irrelevant.
So I'm not even going to pretend
to have an opinion on what the 76ers bench mob
looks like started.
Carl Lurie's playing very inspiring basketball to me.
He needs to be in a Wyoming chain league.
Hang it up.
Oh my God.
Let's talk about the Dallas Mavericks.
They also have a fairly simple issue right now.
Luca don't should start in the season slow.
That's really all that comes down to is
which happens from time the time.
It is normal.
Exactly.
The Luca experience is continuing.
to happen. I don't, I feel like this has happened four times in his six years where he comes
out and just isn't in a good rhythm. A lot of times people blame it on him playing himself into
shape. I don't know if it's initially shaped him this year. It's just not a good rhythm right now.
He's currently shooting the most mid-range shots of his career because he's not getting to the
rim as well. And he's not shooting well in those mid-range shots either. He is currently
has by far the worst effective full-go percentage of his entire career. And the Mavericks'
offense is paying the price for it. They currently have a good defense. Their seventh in
defensive rating. But offensively, they're only, I didn't write down. But
they were like 19th or something,
which is obviously not what you expect
from the Dallas Mavericks
and their high potent offense.
And it's not surprising.
They are currently 18th and 3-point volume.
And third, in mid-range volume
because, you know,
Luca has such a large offensive load
that his shot distribution
heavily impacted shot distribution
of the entire team.
It's, you know,
you live and die by Luca Donchich,
and normally you live real good,
you have a great life living off of his offense.
But when he struggled like this,
it's kind of a slog.
Now that you're talking about Luca,
Just I guess it's fair.
Unless you have something to say about them, Donovan.
No, no, I'm good.
Let's double back.
Stay in Texas right now.
I think we're starting to figure out that Victor Wambayama might also be one of those guys who just gets to a very slow start.
I can sit here and talk about, oh, they're missing on on Devon Vassel and all that.
And oh, like, they don't have their head coach right now, Paris for Pops and all that.
But simple as that, like, as simple as this, Victor Wombayama is getting off to a very, very slow start.
Hasn't been good.
The only good thing that you say about him right now is, yeah, he's blocking shots and hit his frito's good stuff. But so far as 7-4-4-4-4-4-4-2% from the field,
shot selection isn't where we would love it for it to be at at this point in time. And I just think it's like a rhythm thing for him at this point. They just suck. And as long as he sucks, they will suck.
It's, I mean, yeah, sure, it's some rhythm, but it's also the three-point shooting thing is a, like a tangible difference of strategy compared to last year.
you know people very upset about it yeah yeah last year 30% of his shots came from three this year it's
41% I didn't look but it's clearly I don't know the numbers on this but it's clearly a lot more off the dribble 3s
than last year because he sucks to catch a two threes he's much better off the dribble and I guess
this is a development thing for him that they're trying to focus on him really nailing that off the dribble 3
and developing that into being a lethal shot and building from there opposed to some you know people
want to see a big guy built from the inside out they're doing the opposite with him since he's such a unique
player and that's clearly the coaching goal and it's not going well he's shooting terribly on
these and it's impacting the rest of his game you know if you shoot 10% more threes the shot's got to
come from somewhere he's not getting to the rim quite as much off the dribble he's still shooting
about the same amount of shots at the rim overall but it's no not the shots he creates for himself
and you want to see that be developed still so I'm not mad that he's cutting out mid-range shots for
threes but you got to find the balance because right now they're not falling and at a certain
point you're you know you're losing development time in other parts of your game now something
it will say is that they are the 10th best defense in the NBA massive improvement compared to last
year and we are witnessing them starting to come into one and develop which is good sign good sign
good sign good sign bare minimum yeah and uh there's also an interesting thing that teams have been doing
i saw zach low a tweet about this that i started watching for after he said that teams are just
straight up putting their wings on him every time and making him beat them down low because
they know he doesn't want to. So like in this play we're watching these clips, Dylan Brooks is
starting on him because they know they can put their bigs on somebody like Sohan or in this
game, it's not so on because he wasn't there. He's injured right now. But they're putting their
bigs on somebody else. That's not a shooting threat. And just saying like, all right, so either
you're going to hit corner threes with the big man sagging off you or Wembe is going to have to
abuse his big wing. I don't think you want to do either those things. And that's been working
really well. That's a big reason why Wemby hasn't looked quite as good because teams are kind of
moving towards that.
And that's easy to do
whenever they don't have
any guards on the team
that can get to the rim right now.
When no Devin Vassell
and Chris Paul
was shooting real well
but he's not exactly
a shot creator under the rim
anymore.
So if you're not forcing
the defense to go into rotation
and really force those big men
to be on victory women yama
or else he'll get the dump off pass
that's going to work every time.
You can put a small on him
and it'll be fine.
Devin Vassel, please come back.
That's going to help
a very long-witted way
to say Devin Vassel, we need you bad.
Yeah, Bissell or Castle, you know, take more of a load and take a leap, attack in the room, whatever may be,
they need slasters to work and force teams to help off of Wembe.
Yeah.
All right.
Next team, we're going to say in Texas, do the whole Texas sweep.
Other team, we're talking about the Houston Rockets.
And their problem is that, I'm in Thompson.
Hey, what the hell?
This happened again.
I just got a Sean's tweet.
As we're talking about Vassel, he just tweeted, San Antonio Spurs Guard, Devin Vassel's season debut is imminent.
reporting on NBA today.
I guess he's saying he's playing
in the next game.
Yeah.
Two episodes in a row.
Bro, two episodes in a row.
I'm talking about a player
and the fucking Shamsweet
happens at the same time.
Last time it was Palo Van Caro
Ben Caro when he got hurt.
That's crazy.
Noticing.
Put the word out.
Noticing.
We're back up.
We're back up.
Okay, what's the problem with the Rockets?
That there's no way
that they can play a men,
Thompson 48 minutes a night
because he's so good.
He is so good.
He still can't shoot.
but I don't care.
I want a men Thompson out on the floor.
And I think, like, you are seeing some of the issues where they have a lot of guys.
And you're still, like, trying to figure out, you know, exactly who you're, like,
precise, precise rotations are.
A lot of the rookies in this class haven't looked great.
Reed Shepard hasn't looked amazing.
But I don't think that that's, like, the main problem.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, I don't, it's not like the main issue.
Fred Van Blee started off super, super slow.
But the last two games, he's been.
He's been good, which is, you know, if he, if he's breaking out of that slump,
cool.
Like, that's, that's what you, that's what you want to see.
But I, I just want them to play to play them in Thompson more.
That's, that's really it.
Yeah.
I wonder if, I wonder when we're going to see that consolidation trade.
Because at some point they got to do it.
They have, they have like an eight man young core right now.
They can't pay them all.
Well, I guess if they eventually move off of Dylan Brooks or Van Vlee or whatever,
I guess they theoretically could, but they probably won't.
I just, I, I, we talked about it for the past two years.
Like, I wonder what it looks like when they finally move the chips in for somebody.
And I guess I say that because it seems like a man should be a guy that's prioritizing that move.
So you want to get somebody that fits with him long term.
So it has to be a good shooter.
So it's going to be interesting to monitor them over the next season and a half.
Cam Whitmore, I have very, very sad news for you.
It's not sad.
He'll be happy.
He'll be very, very happy to go somewhere where they value him.
Seeing him get DMPs is insane.
But also it's understandable.
It's like, bro, I'd rather play a man.
I'd rather play Tori East and Norber guys like him at the same time.
I also fear he might not be good.
Can I fear that we get excited.
I fear we get excited by this big Dunkin's Squore guy,
but he actually doesn't do anything else.
I'm really hoping.
But he needs time to develop.
Yeah, exactly.
He's not good at anything else right now,
but he's barely played.
So like he needs to go somewhere to see if he can develop into that.
Yeah.
But I understand why he's the odd man out.
I need him to be Utah jazz so bad.
Same man.
I've been talking about that for a year.
I need to, I need to,
see him prove that he can be a good player right now he's not given a chance yeah exactly
exactly speaking of the utah jazz i guess they're my next team
ass everything is bad the only winless team in the entire NBA larry's not there so there's
literally nothing that you can expect no they got one bro when
did i was i was looking at the standings the other day they got one oh they did get one
yeah who they beat i forgot i forgot who they beat oh look what were you going to say well
completely trashed now something i will say oh they beat the bulls oh tragic fair
who will come down to earth very hard after those very exciting things tragic fair going
out right now but um shout to kiante george he's been developing really well shout out to um
walker kester as well do he seems like he's having a bounce back season but overall he can't
really grasp too much from from this team when their best player is out at all it's just hard
John Collins is cool, too, I guess.
Okay, so no problem for the jazz other than they suck.
Yep.
Lovely talk, jazz fans.
Not much to say right now.
Okay, let's go back to my list and go to another team that's worth talking about,
because I have them all.
The Minnesota Timberwolves.
Womp, Womp, Womp.
The Minnesota Timberwell's biggest problem right now is very, very similar to the New York.
Nick's problem mentioned earlier, where they look exactly like what you'd expect when you
insert Carl Hittowns into a team.
We talk about the fact that the rim defense is terrible and it's, you know, hard to adapt to how Cat wants to play with Brunson because, you know, you didn't have a lot of time beforehand, so you're feeling his weaknesses and feeling the lack of continuity.
Same thing with the different wolves.
Julius Randall has been playing very good individual basketball.
He's been putting up numbers.
Especially offensively.
Yeah, it's working decently offensively.
It's not really an issue.
Anthony Edwards' three-point shot has been huge volume-wise to make up for the fact that he's to play offball more.
And everything is well there for the most part.
No real issues there.
You mentioned before the season
that his playmaking
would be really important
on generating more threes for them.
I think it's safe to say
that's been the case, right?
You don't really have an issue there.
Absolutely.
Defensively, this team
is exactly as expected
when you replace Carlton Towns
his size of the four
with Julius Randall
and his average at best
defensive impact.
And I think average
is me being generous
because I like the guy.
30% of opponent shots
are currently coming at the rim.
That is a massive amount.
Almost a third of the half-court plays
you're getting to the rim
that is a offense's dream.
It is so easy right now
for everybody to get the room
when they want
because the guards on this team
have not been super great defensively
they have a lot of smallish guards,
not a lot of stoppers
there on ball fighting over screens
and they don't have
the Twin Towers back there anymore
to really scare teams away
Julius Randall's kind of food.
Look at this play
just happened right here.
Sometimes, yeah,
he gets blown by by the mellow ball
and it's an easy floater
over Rudy Gaubert
because he can't do everything.
This is happening a lot.
You're seeing that lack of size down there
and you're seeing Julius Randall
not be super effective back there.
and offensively maybe makes them less predictable
and it'll be good in the playoffs
but it's making their superpower
no longer a superpower
because they're not a top defense anymore
and that's why they were great last year
and this is exactly what I said
when this trade happened
and I was low on it for them
maybe it'll work long term
with the salaries
and all the business reasons you had to do it
but you made your team worse
in a very easily identifiable way
that is weirded its head
exactly as expected
yeah exactly
trade
they have a 92 defense
They have a 92 defensive rating
with Gobert on the court
and Julius Randall off.
So they're still amazing defensively
whenever it's Gobert plus Daniels of the four
or Gobert plus Nasreed.
They have a 78 half court
defensive rating in that setting
with just Gobert, no, Randall.
So it's pretty clear that
Randall's making their defense not great.
It's you.
It's your fault.
It's the team.
It's the team.
Like, listen, he's an offensive player
and he's doing his job there.
So it's no slight to him.
He's playing his role
and he's being the player
he was traded to be as expected.
It's just not a good roster
construction move in terms of prioritizing
defense. Yeah, they lost their superpower
and this is what made them special. No one is over
here talking about the Minnesota Timberos on
a Rudy Gobert defensive
led team like being
insane on offense. That's just
not a sentence that no one would spew
out of their mouth. I love seeing the offense take
steps, of course, but at the end of the
day, it will never be as point when you have
someone who's just
like a loaf of cake
just sitting there being used to a little
just doing nothing, bro. He just does nothing offensive.
other than just catch lobs here and there.
And I picked them before
because I had faith that they would figure it out
and, you know, you have Gobert.
I thought they'd still be a good top 10 defense.
Yeah.
Four was too high.
Yeah.
I talked a lot about the suns and want to put them higher.
I shouldn't put the suns higher.
Something that I really, really appreciated
about Caron Anthony Towns' time
with the Minnesota Timberals
is his effort to just continuously do whatever it takes
and just figure it out on the defensive end.
And that was perfectly suited for him, of course.
Julius Randall is the completely opposite person when it comes to the defensive end.
We see him give up, not so much effort.
And when you, when someone like me thinks like, yeah, he should be like better when it comes
to the guardian perimeter guys because he's more agile, naturally and all that.
He just doesn't try.
Yeah, he just doesn't try.
He doesn't suck for any like natural reasons.
He's perfectly fine, healthy bones and all that stuff.
Just don't try.
He gets his money because he takes tough shots and makes tough shots and his contract.
And it is contract year, Julius Randolph.
So he is going to do what he does best and put all of his focus into that.
And so, again, in a vacuum, it makes sense.
But for a team that made the Western Conference finals, now probably wasn't the time
to blow up your championship window or to, you know, try and alter it.
I understand, right?
We've heard that, you know, maybe your new owners are some broke boys and you don't want
to be stuck with the, you don't want to be stuck with the bill to two, two, two, three years
from now so you had to make the move but basketball wise it's not it's not the best thing yeah exactly
and again the whole point of this move was to change the style of play they had right they knew they
weren't going to be as good defensively they probably hoped to be better than this and hope to
you know keep some of that identity with gobert but the goal is that offensively your next level
and you can be more of a balanced team and be like eighth and both maybe yeah first in defense
and 19th in offense so given time it's like the next thing where they need more time to
adapt, give Chris Finch more than seven games and three weeks of practice to figure out the
Julius Randall thing. So it's not necessarily a soundly alarms. This team is cooked. I'm not
pessimistic on them long term by any means. But it's looking like we're going to have to wait
until the second half of the season and maybe next season to see the best version of this
trio of Gobert, Randall, and Anthony Edwards. said, if that even exists, I don't know if, I don't
know if Julius Randall is like the NLB offer this team. I honestly feel like they feel comfortable,
just like taking a year back, watching everyone go to war in the Western Conference, save their buck
so they can fully commit to the nods, reads of the world or whatever it might be,
developer Rob Dillingham, be okay with kind of throwing in, throwing away this is
because Anthony Edwards is youngest shit, Rudy Gobert's game isn't predicated on a ridiculous
amount of athleticism.
So it seems like when it comes to what they want to do, realign themselves being real, like,
yeah, we can't win with these two, Kat and Rodrigo bear being the front of our team.
It seems okay.
But I agree with you.
They're going to be okay overall.
As long as least their defense isn't like 20th or 25th.
Then I would be ringing the fucking bells.
It's actually up to 12th now.
So it's better than it was when I checked a couple days ago making this list.
They were like 19th.
They're 12th now, which clearly, you know, it's a seven-game sample size of the season.
I looked at this, I made this part of the list when it was five games.
So they've already hopped up a few spots.
So maybe it's a good momentum.
I know by the time this episode is out for a few days, maybe they'd be up to like ninth.
So again, everything's a small sample size.
They very well could continue to climb.
But right now it's worth noticing that it's being a little slower than expected.
Noticing.
Yeah, noticing.
just cautiously paying attention exactly you know wrong with that you know what's the next team
all right so i have i have the same problem but for two different things i have for the chicago bulls
and for lamella ball and that's the fact that they need to get into the gym and start doing mike
and drills start shooting over over over some brooms because they can't make layups they are not good
at the they like the so the hornets and the bulls they both suck in layups lamello specifically
Lamello's never been a great, he's never been a great finisher at the rim.
And when you started talking about like franchise changing offensive players, that's kind of
a pre, you know, a prerequisite.
You need to be able to have that, especially as somebody who's going to have the ball in
his hands a lot.
And you just haven't seen the growth there that you wanted to see in Lamello.
And so that's an issue for him.
And then for the Bulls, they've changed up their entire style of offense.
But last year, they weren't good at the rim,
and then they're also still not good at the room this year.
So you can do the right things, and, you know,
when you know that you don't have a lot of talent,
you say, okay, we're going to do the easy things.
We're going to run and we're going to shoot threes.
But you still got to, you know,
you have to supplement that with some other things.
And, you know, knocking down shots at the rim is going to have to be with that.
And they're both, you know, the Bulls and Lamello.
They're both really bad at that.
So they both have to get there.
Yeah, it's not even just Lamello.
Brandon Miller is young
He's not the best room finisher yet
Numbers wise
And Miles Bridges sucks bro
Miles Bridges has been terrible at the rim too
Listen I don't
He's a piece of shit
And he sucks at basketball
They need to stop employing him
Yeah I don't even
I don't even worry about about him
It's really it's really for like
Lemello just because you know
That he has the keys to the franchise
And like we always say
Okay if Lamelo is going to be there
And he's healthy
They have the chance to you know
To make the playoffs
But eventually, whenever Brandon Miller starts to develop as well, you're going to have this pairing of Lamello and Brandon.
How far can you guys go?
How high is the ceiling?
And I feel like for Lamello, there's only so high that he can go, especially if you're not a good defender and you're not good at the rim.
And so those two things are kind of, I guess, on alert for me when I think about, you know, projecting what the Hornets can be moving forward.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For his whole career, getting better at the rim is Lamello's main thing.
so it makes a little sense.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Shout out to train man though.
Shout out, train man.
Restoring the feet.
What's your next year?
Okay, so my next team are the Miami Heat.
I thought I had the heat.
No, I had the heat.
Really?
What the heck?
Do we all have the heat?
I swear.
See, Ted GBT messed up.
I told, no, actually, Donovan had the, Donovan had the, Donovan.
Yeah, I don't have them.
But we get, but we get, we can talk about them.
Let's start off from them.
What it was is I was watching him last night and I was taking notes because I was like,
I hate this team.
but go ahead listen one bam has gotten he's played awful to start to try i thought i thought about the heat
no it doesn't matter let's all app about it bam is trash garbage all of all of us have the miami heat
let's just start there yeah and we are all watching the same thing let's jump their ass right now
and we're watching bam suck and we're watching jimmy butler suck oh no let me get this her right now
terror is here sucks terry who's my biggest issue yeah let's talk about it dude i saw a tweet uh i forgot
who it was. I think it was NBA University, tweeted out the teams that have, the players that have
the highest difficulty shot diet. Bam is number seven right now. He is taking the hardest
shots ever. It's strictly difficult mid-range shots. His shot diet is horrible. He looks like shit and
it's by his own doing. They need to fix the way he's getting to his shots so bad because
Bam is not bad. Bam is their best player at this point. Yeah, yes. Whether it's his goal of trying
to make these tough middies or the team's not manufacturing good looks for him, I don't even know right
now, but it's not looking good.
No, it's not.
But if you look at, so if you look at Jimmy Buller stats for this season, he's shooting,
he's shooting his worst, uh, he's shooting his worst field goal percentage from the field
in like six years.
He's shooting 17% from three this season, which is obviously like, you know, awful.
Bam, who's taking more threes than he ever has.
He's doing the thing that we've been saying.
We've been asking for like the last three years, like, bam, can you please expand your game?
Bam, can you please go closer to the basket?
I don't want you taking these three anymore
because you are not knocking them down.
So far this season, from three,
Bam is shooting 20%.
Get closer. Get closer.
And so like for them two,
who are obviously one and two
in terms of your best players,
they're not great.
And then the Terry Rozier experiment,
which we all were super, super high on whenever they first got them,
we're like, oh, it's going to be,
you know, finally their offense is going to get,
You know, some more juice, another punch.
You're upgrading from Kyle Lowry to Terry Rozier.
That's awesome.
Hey, man.
It's still a bad experiment.
And they are somehow mid on all fronts.
They are like, I think that when I checked, the net rating was like 0.6.
And they're just.
What do you think the net rating of the striking lineup is?
It has to be.
It's probably like minus 2.3.
Any guests on them?
Any guess, Moe?
I'm going to say minus 2.5.
you guys are only off by about minus 13 points it's minus 15.3 the worst lineup in the NBA
no you're lying they have a 103 offensive rating oh my god 18 defensive rating
that is 2nd2 type basketball right there is next level garbage offensive rating of 103
171 minutes played is their most used lineup 103 offensive rating that's atrocious and dude
Coming to the season, like you said, Donovan,
I was so excited when they got Rozier.
I've been a big Rozier family who's on the Hornets.
I thought it would work.
He looks terrible defensively.
Him and Hero are too small to work.
It's like what I mentioned with Dilo and Austin Rees.
Exactly.
Yeah, you need some athleticism in your back court.
And it's just terrible.
And offensively, it's been even worse.
It's truly atrocious.
Over half of Terry Rozier shots are coming from three right now.
He's just a spot of a shooter, essentially,
running off the screens, which is cool, I guess.
but it takes away the juice he brings with the ball in his hands so he's not super impactful
he's like kCP but but no defense he's just there to run around screens and shoot threes
that is duncan robinson minus six inches of height though exactly and minus like seven percent
from three yeah it's not it's not good and don't let right going into last night's game they
were three and three don't let that fool you they were getting wins against stinkers they're not
They're not out here beating, like, the top, top competition in the, in the league.
And we've, we've, we've been projecting this.
Nobody has wanted to actually say it because of the run that they had in 2022.
But we're like, okay, there's only so much that, oh, we'll, you know, we'll turn it on whenever
it counts, you know, and then, but I've seen you play 164 games over the last two seasons
and you keep ending up as the eighth seed or the nine seed.
clearly something is not going right in the you know in the regular season and if jimmy
butler is going to turn into michael jordan that's fine those days are long gone he's not he's not
doing it and it's taking him a while and until he gets back on track if he gets there and until
bam gets gets on track they're not going to be any type of like for real for real competent
they might still be high though because again the east like sucks right now and they like i can
see them sneaking into like the four seed or the five seed you think i can get a 10 day the east
the east is yeah everyone's hurt everyone's hurt you're right i don't know before the season
started the most amount of hate we got in the comments with some warriors fans from heat fans
warriors fans you guys were right you won the war heat fans we were exactly right this team is
precisely who we thought they were they're not good and yeah hopefully they can stay healthy and
find the way to get a fucking fake ass six seed but i'm not excited for this team in a playoff setting at
all. Just fire up the trade rumors. You know, as soon as, as soon as, you know, the
honest trade rumors start rolling around, everyone's going to be like, oh, is he going to Miami?
Let's talk about the thunder. It's the next team. You have them?
God damn, me got all the good team, bro. This is terrible. Oh, no, you do. Okay, another team
I took notes on, but it didn't have. Okay, either way, it's tough of the thunder.
He does do it. Dude, their offense sucks. Their offense is not good right now.
Yeah. There's a best defense in the NBA by a wide margin. They're absolutely dominant.
Their offense has been terrible. Straight up.
It's been like 20th in the league.
They're 26th in offensive rebounding again.
You know, they don't have Hartnstein, so they're once again a small team.
They don't have Jay Will either.
So it's just Chet and no other bigs.
That's not surprising.
They're last in the NBA at free throw rate.
They are not getting to the rim at all.
Shea has been jacking up threes and has eliminated his mid-range game,
which is a lot of fans frustrated.
And J-Dub had a great game yesterday, but before yesterday,
J-Dub was struggling to get to the rim.
He was shooting the most short mid-range shots in the league
because he could not get to the rim all the way,
was hitting these difficult floaters that he wasn't hitting he was just taking a lot of difficult
floaters and his three-point shot hasn't been as insane as it was last year yeah and it's just
been rough man their offense has not been pretty the whole team can't shoot from three like last year
after last year they were here unstoppable from three yeah they were they were like top three
or top top one depending on like you know what site you're you're looking at like they were
one of the best three-point shooting teams in the league and then right now they are near like the
bottom third and they they can't they can't hit anything Alex
Russo can't, he can't hit the side of a bar. He can't see anything. And I was, I forget the,
like the exact numbers, but like right now, like their offense was, was better with Josh
Giddy on the floor than, then, then, then it is right right now. And it's like, I, the three point
shooting, I'm not, it's a problem. I'm not too concerned with it. I'm sure it's going to,
just bad luck. Yeah. It's going to, you know, it's going to get, get back to normal. But
something I'm going to say. When you talk about a team that somehow,
only has one lost to spite all this.
That should let you know, like, how dangerous they are.
Facts.
Yeah, they got to make sure that this is, that this gets fixed.
They're fine.
Something I will say, though, is that I'm interested in seeing how someone like
Chet Hongrum who came out the season blasted and blazing guns and shit, he was looking
Nicole Yolkich in the eyes and was looking like a top four center in the NBA.
And since then, like, he's for rest a little bit.
I believe he put up like nine points the other day, 12, 15, 15 or whatever.
And, of course, like, the entire team, three-point shot isn't going down, especially
Chath Hongram's, wasn't either.
And they were able to survive.
I say survive.
Again, they only have one loss in the season so far.
They're able to be elite with Chet Hongram being clear and cut, like, the second best player
on that team.
And now that he's kind of regressed a little bit of a reverted to the meme, I said mean,
mean, it's interesting to see between those two J-Dab or Chet, who will,
you know, officially or actually be
the most consistent
second option on that team.
Because right now, like, with Shane and his game
evolved. It's not close. Then, I mean,
you say it's not close now, but also at the same time, too,
like, seeing him with these last few games is like,
it's kind of in the air for me. I won't say it's not close to
options. So you're talking offensive option.
Offensive option. Offensive. Yeah. I think you said
best player. I was like, it's fucking chat. I mean,
it's DPOI right. But yeah,
offensively, you're right. And the problem is
it has to be J-dub. It needs to be.
Like, last night he played his best game, and they
lost to the Nuggets, which I don't think
it was a terrible Thunder loss. The Nuggets played out of their mind. They had a great
game, so it's fine.
J-dub needs to contain that
the hot street going. Because you mentioned that they
were better last year with Josh Giddy. And I saw
some stupid Thunder fans were like,
I told you Giddy wasn't the problem.
That shit ain't got shit to do with Josh Giddy. Like you said,
the whole roster is shooting much worse from three.
That's going to come around.
Shea is going through a
purposeful transformation in this game that has
taken some time to get right. Thunder fans are very
upset about it. We fine long term, but
he needs to figure out the rhythm of this clear emphasis he has on off the triple threes instead
of mid-range shots. And it really comes down to J-Dub. Last year, they were dominant still, not
dominant, but they were still good in the minutes where Shea and Chet were off the floor
and J-Dub was leading bench units. Because J-Dub had like the most prolific shot-making season
I've seen from a young player. He shot 44% from 3 and like 49% from mid-range. It was
ridiculous. That hasn't been the case this year. The simple answer, if we're really boiling out
the one thing is jad up hasn't been good at shooting this year that's the number one difference
i love and i i think he'll be fine i think he'll be fine i think it'll be fine i think it'll normalize
right like we saw it last night as soon as he gets back to being a ridiculous shooter and can lead
these bench units and provide the three-point shooting they're gonna get back to being a top 10
offense yeah they should have man they should have won last night i was i was furious because i actually
turned i turned this game off to like lock in on uh on denver on denver on uh phoenix miami and uh and
Now, I like, you know, after a game, took a little like, you know, 20 minute nap or whatever.
And then I woke up and I was like, okay, see, lost?
Like, what?
Like, Shea had an awful fourth quarter.
He was so bad in the fourth.
It was crazy.
Yeah, but honestly, that game was, to me, was more about the Nuggets playing really, really well.
Pain watch.
The Nuggets were on file.
Pain watch.
It was crazy.
Alongside J-dub having a really, really, not really bad shooting season, but just not up to
par whatsoever you know who also just not having a great shooting season ever are also it's not on
my list double-dipping don't give a fuck tyre's halberin and the indiana pacers he's been horrendous
for all reasons i think has went ahead in a lot of two earlier or in last week's episode so far the
season i believe there's like 15 points per game or so whatever cool it's more so how he's
getting those 15 in the most inefficient way possible he's shooting 38% from the field yuck
He's shooting 24% from the three-point line.
That is especially someone like him whose game is predicated alongside the three-point line.
But what's super concerning is that he's also shooting like 70% from the free throw line as well.
Yeah, free throw lines well.
Now, he's not a player who gets a lot of free throw attempts.
So I guess that kind of negates what I'm saying right now because he obviously is predicated on a three-point line.
But in general, it looks like he took a real, real, real step back when it comes to his three-point shooting.
And if that's the case, then this Indiana Pacers team is looking really, really scary for all the worst reasons possible.
Yeah.
He had a get-right game a couple of days ago against the Dallas Mavericks where he scored really well.
I think he had 27 and 10.
So I was like, hopefully you can tell you this.
And then they played the Pelicans last night.
Pumpkin.
He didn't score super well.
He had four assists.
But I think he looked a little bit better keeping the offense flowing.
He didn't need to do a whole lot because Benedict Matherin and Pasolsiakum tore the pelicans a fucking.
new one. So they went crazy. So two games in a row, I think he's looked better. Even the numbers
have been up and down. But I think he's been able to get into the rim and create passing
opportunities a little bit better than he did before. So I'm hoping we're seeing normalization.
But yeah, that's definitely been the biggest problem all years. He has been terrible.
Unfortunately, the haters were right. They, they, I don't know. Listen, maybe these two games,
maybe we're starting to see it turn around and we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. But for right now,
they are right. They are right. He had, he was on a free drive.
I know it's funny
I saw I was looking at his cleaning the glass page
he's shooting like 90% at the rim right now
because he gets there like twice a game
it's the smallest sample size I've ever seen
like 6% of his shots
Best room score in NBA history
What are you talking about
He's like the same rim volume of Chris Ball
Which is ridiculous
Like it's such a small number
That he's still hilariously inefficient
Despite not missing at the rim
Because he just never does it
Wait a minute
That three boy shot needs to come around
It's really what it comes down to
Is if he's gonna be this style of player
he has to be shooting 42% 3 at all times
or it's not going to be super effective
What a high bar
I know like he has to be the best shooter in the league
That's crazy
You shoot 37% 3 and it's like
Okay that's the 9th best point guard in the league
God damn
He has to be amazing shooter
And he's gonna have stretches where he shoots really well
Like we saw two days ago against the maps
Like we're gonna see those games
It's really just consistency that
He needs to string it together for five in a row
folks all right cool
who's next
next let's knock out the
the
nets
the net's biggest problem this year
he's been very interesting to me
the biggest problem is that they employ
Dennis Schroeder
because he's been too fucking good
he's been dominant
and they're winning too many games
they need to lose every game
they need to catch the flag
they need to do something bad
and they're doing something pretty good
and that's a problem
they are too talented right now
they got to trade Dennis Roder
they got to trade cam johnson the guy to trade dorian face man they got to tear their shit down
because they're doing too well yeah how ironic is it that they finally get their pickback they
finally commit to a tank and then dennis rhoder just puts the team on his motherfucking back and
keeps winning games for them they're gonna they're gonna mess around and make the play in
they're four and four dennis rhoder lost so much money a couple years ago bro he needs to get that
back back and get that shit back in blood yeah exactly bro pocket's on the look it's a tough
world we're in right now bro things getting more and more expensive dennis rha has no more time to
play bro. He has a kid right now, bro. All right. Bills to pay. Diapers to get. I can't imagine.
I can't imagine listening to somebody else. Be like, yo, yeah, yo. Don't take that 84 million.
Like, it's going to be more. And then you're like, all right. Like, it better be that. If there was
not $84 million waiting for me, I would be furious. I can't imagine that.
Yeah, man. They need to trade all the good players. Real simple. They need to tear their shit down because
They are too talented.
But shout out there's playing well.
Camp Thomas look good.
Yes.
I'd commit a crime.
All right, Mo, what's the next team?
You know who else I want to shout out?
Shout out to that guy, Norman Powell.
This dude right here has been playing phenomenal basketball and is one of the main reasons
why the clippers are semi-staying afloat, not being an absolute, like, absolute crap.
They're not very good yet, or still right now.
I think they're the 11th seed with the record of 4 and 4 so solid, but not good enough in the Western Conference.
Right now, their biggest issue is their offense.
It's in the mud.
I think we all came into the season, seeing how in the mother, offense was going to be.
The defense has been what's been keeping them a high very on brand for a Tailu-led team.
But you need help.
James Harden has been playing pretty inefficient basketball, has been struggling to get to the rim.
Surprise, surprise.
He's like 36 years old.
And there's only so much that he can do on.
a consistent basis so they're going to need some help i don't know where they're going to get it
from their young players are looking they don't have an abundance of youth right now terence man is
terence man you think he's averaging like four or five points so far this year so yeah they need
way more versatility on offense and i don't know if they'll have that because kawai is out
yeah i mean they are who they are they're 20th 20th in offense the biggest problem is they can't
stop turning the ball over their 27th and turnover percentage which is to be expected on a team that has one point
and zero other good passers.
And that's the biggest problem.
They still don't have to passing talent on this team.
Norm Powell, shout out him.
He can create shots for anybody else.
Shout out Derek Jones.
He can't create shots for anybody else.
Chris Dunn, defend her well.
Can't create shots for anyone else.
Zubach.
He plays like Kareem sometimes.
Can't create shots for anybody else.
Up and down, there's one good passer on the roster.
That's an issue.
Yeah, exactly.
Shides with them for being them, though.
I mean, this is their identity.
James Hardin's average is like five turnovers a game,
which is hilarious.
but also putting up nine assists
very on brand for James Hardin.
The team is limited.
Yeah, you know, they're in a tough situation
when no Kawhi Leonard and they're looking
pretty much as expected.
Yeah, exactly.
Ficey defense, but no offensive talent
on the roster to be seen.
True.
Who next?
My next team,
we're going to talk about the Washington Wizards.
And I want to talk about how bad their PR is
because I don't think,
because I don't think people understand
how good Bilal Khulubali is playing
this year. I don't think that people
understand even though that the offense isn't there
that Alex Saar is showing the flashes
and that you see the vision
with Bilal and
Saar there and
they are next up for being
the fun team. That's like trash
but they're like fun to watch.
The Wizards are there and they
are actually building the right way
and if they do
Wizards things and you know they keep losing
games
Flag, Cooper Flagg, Alex Sar,
Bilal Khulah Kulubu.
Bali like that's John George that's dangerous that is that is that is
Garrington they have they have a lot of really really good young pieces like the
wizards are going to fly up you know our boards whenever we start talking about like
the best young cores and like the best situations that you want to have and it starts
with Bilau and Alexar right now yeah and I don't think Jordan Pool has been terrible
either I think no he's a very good bounce back here yeah the biggest issue is nobody's
watching nobody cares yeah exactly Jordan pool phenomenal back
He's been looking like the Jordan Poole from the year 2021, 2021, the year that they won an NBA championship regular season Jordan Poole.
Fantastic, bro.
He's been every bit of just like efficient, smarter basketball, and he had like a lot.
He's had a lot less like super, super fast he pays.
He's been getting it done and he's been looking like an actual vet, which is crazy.
Bob Carrington, which one of you guys are a big fan of that guy.
Don't remember which one, but great players so far, amazing rookie.
He looks like he's probably a top seven, eight rookie so far this, so far in this year's a rookie class.
He's a bucket.
The biggest problem is probably Kyle Kuhlman, just taking up space and just taking money.
That's it.
Well, that's fine for them.
They can trade coups and get a pickback.
Maybe they don't even need a trainer.
Maybe we should just keep him because it will help.
He will help them eventually get one of the top picks in them.
Yeah.
You trade, listen, you trade coups, you get a pick back.
You continue to lose games, but still have your young guys, like show.
show flashes and play well and do things from time to time.
Like that is exactly how you want the start of a rebuild to go.
I guess they're like two years into the into the rebuild two or three.
But this is where you want to be.
And there's reason for optimism and there's reason for hope for the Washington Wizards.
So shout out to them.
Y'all just got to watch every now and again.
And again, you don't have to watch the Wizards against a random team.
Watch the Wizards when they play your favorite team.
So you can see your team win and you can see, you know, good flashes from young players.
I agree.
There we go.
That's all the teams I have in my list.
Anybody having teams left?
I have one more.
The Milwaukee Bucks.
Oh, yeah.
What is the one problem the Bucks are facing, Donovan?
They can't guard us three.
Any guard can play.
A three-man weave is crazy.
Any man, any guard can play the Milwaukee Bucks, and they will have 30 in 10.
They can't stop anybody, all the stuff that we thought was fixed last year in terms of
of like defense whenever doc rivers came in that stuff is still it's still an issue and you thought
that throughout all of this throughout trading drew throughout getting dame you thought hey we have
brookelopez and we have and we have yonis we have good enough of a defensive infrastructure
that we would still be able to be a really really good defense that's not the case and i know two
i know that like two games ago because i got i got flamed on twitter for it because i was like it's
crazy how as soon as Janus goes out, Dame turns up. And everyone was like, Dame had 41 last night.
Guys, look at, look at the last year and a half. Like, I'm glad he had a good game with
Janus. But the defense and the fact that it's so clear and obvious that they just don't work
together. And that, this experiment, it's not going to end up good. And they are at the bottom
of the conference. And the reason why I still have hope kind of for the Sixers, they had
reinforcements on the way they had joel and b paul george was going to get back into rhythm obviously
before maxi got hurt the magic you had palo ban caro on the way the bucks have dam and they have
yonnes and you have your two guys and you are at the bottom of the connoven it is i got some news to break to
you shams tweeted two hours ago or chris haines tweeted two hours ago that they're making a change
in the starting lineup andre jackson junior is being subbed in for gary trent junior he's been
absolutely garbage on the offensive end.
And defensive end.
Garish Jr. can't defend shit.
He defended for like two quarters earlier this year and then he decided I'm done playing
basketball.
That was my biggest thing is I thought that could be decent because I thought he had,
I thought he had it in on to focus on defense and be a solid fighting over screens defender.
I was wrong as hell.
He sucks at defense.
Yeah.
No, this team is like in panic mode, disaster mode, all of it.
Yeah, they're so fucked.
We went through this last year, last week where we talked about like I'm out.
they're screwed and you know we focus law on doc rivers all the time because he's not doing
jack shit to help it's really not his fault the roster sucks man like he's not good and he's not
elevating them the roster sucks they have no athletes no defenders no juice outside of their top
guys the gary trents signing whiffed to your prince is troyn prince like he's not giving you any juice
on either end he's just a fine fill in the gas player if he's your worst defender he's not
your worst defender that's the problem and it it can't work
I don't know if any coach can save this team with the current pieces they have.
Yeah.
And so I don't apologize to Doc Rivers.
I'm just looking at him and other stuff.
You're also calling them like Whiffs.
Like technically, yeah, they're with, they're minimum guys.
Like yeah, this is like we applauded them and we were like, oh yeah, like good for you guys for what is available.
They were graded on a curve because of all of the handcuffs that they had because of the stuff.
So it's like minimum guys are not supposed to be getting this much run, be this
critical to your success and that's just the situation that they're in man yeah we thought minimum
guys could perform better and save them by being better than expected yeah turns out they
minimum guys perform like minimum guys listen man the only hope and the only way i can psych
myself and delusioned myself into believing this team having hope for the rest of this season is like
yo andrew jackson junior they need minimum guys they have minimum guys who are stopping them guys
who has made bags over the last few years and them guys who've been around for a while
Andre Jackson Jr. has not been around for a few years.
They need someone who's hungry, willing to die for a loose ball.
And if that's Andrexon Jr. right there.
If he can help play some expiring, inspiring basketball, then maybe there's a way that
they can turn the ship around slowly, but surely.
I got some bad news for you.
If your season depends on Andre Jackson, Jr., it's over.
Your season is done.
And we've already, again, we've already heard the rumblings.
I mentioned it earlier.
Be prepared.
Don't think that Janus is going to sit here and be like, oh, yeah, like I want to be in Milwaukee
forever when they're at the bottom of the conference.
If it keeps going down like this and it is very clear that they have no other avenue
to get better, he's going to ask for a trade.
You're going to, you're going to see that.
And either he asked for a trade or they have, they make some drastic move, which is either
moving dame, I don't know, firing doc.
I don't know if they want to pay two coaches.
And again, it's not Doc's fault.
But like, I don't know if they want to pay two coaches who aren't.
coaching. There's just, there's not really a way out for them, but something has to change.
So expect, I don't know, expect something, but just not anything good from them.
Gotcha. And I saw the team today. We've made it through all 30 NBA teams,
talk about one problem facing them early in the season. And yeah, man, what time is it, Mo?
It's time to go to war. It is TikTok time. I need all my real eaters to rejoice. It is time.
Oh my god
That shit was Danz
I think I just brought our headphones
No my headphones
Just like tweet out right now
Doesn't matter
I just broke his father
Just all your headphones
Smacking it with a crowd
This fucking idiot
I'm back
Fuck you Bill
I'm back
We're working
Let's go
To TikTok time
Let's go
Welcome to TikTok time
Yes sir
We're once again
For the 1,000th time
Gonna begin with the draft
But this time
It's gonna be a little bit different
we're not going to draft NBA players
we're not going to build NBA players
we're going to draft the most
unguarable moves in NBA history
so you know each of us pick our five
favorite go-to moves so whoever players
you want of all time
only stipulation that shit better be unguarded
yeah all right sounds good
draft order is Mo me
Donovan Mo where we're going with the first pick
audio listeners TikTok watchers
Kryon eaters I will not let
you down
for the first pick
I'm going LeBron with his shoulder down
head down LeBron
that is the most unguardable move in the NBA
when his head is down
there's nothing you can do about it
but brace yourself
Lebrace yourself
all right well
easy pick
give me the sky hook
I gotta go with Kareem
easy easy easy easy
I'm so mad I gave Donovan Shack
I didn't even want to
but you had to pick the skyhook
I forgot that I doubled up here
and I wasn't going to take Shaq
but I will
so give me Shaquille O'Neal's drop step dunk
straight nuts to the face
and then that one is more power
I would like some finesse
give me Hakim Olajuan's dream shake
okay I'm hitting him with lateral movement
can't do anything
give me Kevin Durant
mid-range jumpers.
Ah!
Okay.
He's going to get to that bitch until he's 45.
It's never going to stop.
45.
Try 65, bro.
He's going to be still working on that shit every day at the park.
At the park, at the club.
True.
Okay.
So I got a bronze drive.
Go ahead and give me Manu Genobi's Euro step.
Just classic, ha, ha.
Euro.
Go with the flare pick, okay.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Give me the flare.
and then it seems like
I'm building a guard
so
well not really
oh go ahead
in my bag
I got the bag of a guard
I got the bag of a guard
do what you feel
whatever it is
all right
cool
you know actually
screw that
go ahead and give me
Dirk's fade away
I love that
that's a good one
yeah that's great
it's iconic
yep
I would say it's just a
worst version
of what Kevin Durant does
so you got
the diet version
what I got
I was the first
that was the first
give what I want to go
who don't want to go with here
okay well
give me Michael Jordan layups
I got to pick him at some point
is this is
2024
I don't know if the layup is
unguardedable like that
I don't know if that's the pick
you don't think Michael Jordan attacking the rim
is unguardedable I think you could take
his fade away and that would be
that's more of like the unguarded move
did he sell the Michael
Gordon I'll give you that for Jordan
I don't think I did
I think it's fine.
I think Jordan's lands are pretty unstoppable.
The way he hovered in the air, you pretty,
you did not control Michael Jordan.
Don't make me call Bill Landl.
So,
that hang time is ridiculous.
All right.
All right, you got it.
You got it.
At three, I haven't checked the stats on this,
but I'm sure it's 100%.
Give me Steph Curry lookaway three.
Okay, that's tough.
I'm sure he's never missed on this shot.
Oh, nah.
And if he has missed, it was in preseason and it didn't count.
I was thinking about picking his step after a pump fake.
Like a pump fake and step to the side.
Reload.
Reloed three.
That's tough.
I see this.
There's a couple ways to go.
Actually, no, you took my hood Jordan.
Next, give me Alan Iverson's crossover.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay. Iverson crossover.
doesn't really you know
not a shot
so it doesn't result in points
but you know
it's a move
it's a move
that's one of the best moves
in history
give me
give me
Janice
full back dive
when he spams
that square button
and he calls full back dive
he's not gonna stop
just run
fast break
you're not stopping
that's true
just run and throw it up
at the orange cone
yeah
no meter
just run and hold square
it's an instant point
okay
Okay, I like that.
Yeah, Mo can't say anything because he picked LeBron for a halfback dog.
Yeah.
Same thing.
Just different dudes.
Okay.
I have so many options, so many options.
But you know what I'm going to do?
Go ahead and give me Mello's triple threat.
I love that.
I just.
You logged into my load.
You logged into my note.
You knew I was going there.
And then to finish this off to make this.
the most unguarded
player of all time
and all fats
is of unguarable too
give me
Draymond green screens
screening ability
I am knocking some tooth
out
you get illegal screens
that's not fair
illegal screens yes bro
not only on the ball
of my powerful
but off the ball too
you ain't getting passed by me brother
damn
you know fine
give me Magic Johnson
no look passes
nobody's ever missed off of one
they've gone in 100% of times
it's an instant bucket for your teammate
The oral points are outrageous.
Katie, Middy, and MJ.
I'm simply the coolest player of all time.
You simply cannot be cooler than this man.
Yeah, I go.
You got it.
That's fair.
That's fair.
That's true.
All right.
Let me round this out.
We have a lot of very, like, flashy stuff.
Sometimes you just got to go with what you were taught.
You got to go back to the fundamentals.
Give me Tim Duncan's bank shot.
He's never missed.
He's never missed.
It was in my bag, too.
That's a good fundamental last pick.
Can't be mad at it.
It's good.
Okay.
I like, I love you.
Oh, I feel sneeze coming.
Ew.
So, audio listeners, I got Braun Drive, Manu Genobi, Eurostep,
Dirk Fade, Mello Triple Threat, and I got Dremont Screens.
I have Kareemann Skyhook, Kevin Durant Middy, Jordan Layups,
Yon is Fullback Dive, and Magic No Look
passes. And I have Shaq's drop step dunk, Hakeem's dream shake, Steph lookaway three,
Alan Iverson's crossover, and Tim Duncan's bank shot.
Okay. Who on me or Donovan? Who is the best?
You are Donovan. That's crazy, bro. It's easily me. You're not getting passed by me.
No, we stomped you out. Stop. Yeah. You picked screen.
In the second round. What universe? Yeah. Your old steps, bro, and I prick screens because I don't
have the ball on my hands at all times. You guys are unrealistic. You pick screens. You lost.
I pick screens. I won.
And shout out Mongeonobli in the second round was crazy. Nobody else is going to pick him.
Listen, don't underestimate the Eurocept. What are we talking about here? Very fundamental
moving to sport of basketball. What? No. I think I get it only slightly. And the only reason why I say that is because Shaq's drop step and putting his nuts in your face and then Steph looking away before the shot goes in, the disrespect is just a little bit higher. I think Isaacs are equally unguardedable, but mine are just slightly disrespectful.
They are disrespectful.
No kids can mimic what you guys are doing.
Everybody can do a Eurostep.
Shit, me personally, I hit about 3.5 Eurosteps today.
Just, ha, ha, to the kitchen.
3.5 euros steps a day.
Exactly, bro.
So I walk in the hall, I go to your step my girlfriend.
She can't stop it.
Exactly.
Dumbie.
Pay attention.
Footwork.
Dummy to the toaster every time.
Just I pointed like, hi.
Where are you going?
I do this to my girlfriend all the time and she hates it.
Like, honestly, walk by, if I, like, walk in the hallway, I'm like,
out she hates it every time.
So what I'm saying, bro.
Who won't really?
Let's talk about it.
Okay.
But if she knows it's coming in, she can't stop it.
That's a skill issue at that point.
Skill issue.
It's a hundred percent.
I'm never going to stop.
You know what's happening.
It's a thousand percent of skill issue.
It's not insane.
I have no intention to stopping, despite it being voiced it's not in doing it.
next thing we're going to do
we've done a lot of variations
of guessing NBA players by a large variation
to stimuli to make you try to guess who the player is
today you guys are going to guess NBA players
by their siblings
we're deep in our bag
we're deep in her bag
we will never stop
we will never stop
guessing NBA players by the most random
minuscule thing you've ever seen
I will never stop going in on the NBA guessing
game I can't wait until we get to the point
to we resched
guess NBA players by their shadows, by the smell of their breath, bro.
I'm ready for whatever. Let's do it. I'm really in the trenches. Where are you at?
Let's do it. Guessing player by body odor is crazy. In 4D vision.
Yeah, man. I have some well, some of these are well known. So maybe you have seen these people
before. Some of them are deep cuts. But I think they're all guessable. None of them are too
crazy. Okay. I don't know. Sometimes you'll be playing tricks. So we'll see.
I don't think I did any tricks this time. It's nothing crazy. I didn't have like a white cousin of
somebody like it's not white it was really like that that should have been funny as hell i could have
found somebody that had like a white stepbrother yeah that'd have been so funny that'd be
hilarious okay first off whose sister is this i have no idea oh see great not a clue oh see no i got i got
this i got to see this that's pretty easy exactly look as a real fan i follow not only this player
but their whole family you know what i'm saying oh brother you're weird i'm tapped in right
this is step kerry sister what the hell this is step kerry's sister oh yeah she's famous damn yeah this
this one's easy oh isn't this uh that's her daddy's daughter she looks just like del kirk
doesn't she is she like married to what's his name damian lee damian lee yeah
yeah yeah i had to start with an easy one that one is well known some of these will not be so easy
Okay.
Whose brother is this?
I know who this is.
I know this isn't a heartbeat.
He looks like his brother.
This is African, no African.
This is Shay Gilis Alexander's brother, bro.
This is a shade.
Is Shay African like that?
It's in his blood?
This is Shayne Gillis and his brother.
We all are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Oh, now.
This is Shay's brother.
Yeah.
High school basketball player.
What's his name?
I forget.
I didn't write it down.
I didn't even write him.
He's very young, though.
He's like a freshman.
Yeah.
Yeah, I see you.
Yeah, this one, you can see it in the nose.
They look a lot of like.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Okay.
Two for two.
You guys are cooking so far.
Who?
Whose sister is this?
Okay.
If you look close enough.
I'm assuming this is a picture with her brother.
Yes.
Okay.
Redacted somebody for no reason.
this is harder for sure
but I might have a guess
take a look at the eyes you can see it
if you look hard enough this they look alike
I see the eyes if she's taking a picture next to her brother
that means her brother might not be very tall
because if that was if her brother's an NBA
and she's tall too most likely she's a WNBA player
she is not a WNBA player
maybe she's more heels
she might be heels for some reason I feel
the only thing that I'm getting is like
Maybe James Harden's sister?
That's a good guess.
That's not James Hardin.
But she,
that I see it in the eyes though,
but that's not James Hardin.
This is Kyrie Irving sister.
Wow.
This is Kyrie Irving sister.
How did you get that one so fast?
Tapped in,
you know what I'm saying?
I said Donovan don't have a life.
I was talking about myself.
Study family trees.
This is Kyrie.
LeBong got a new cousin.
You can definitely see it.
Okay.
You can definitely see the resemblance.
Yeah.
It's there.
Okay.
Three for three.
The whole family got good teeth, man.
look at them okay next one whose brother is this man we see it in a mile away if that's not
Blake Griffin's brother whatever I don't know who that is this looks like you drew Blake Griffin
Griffin my memory this is his brother they played together that's crazy that's like an evil
brother bro that's the letter of the evil brother evil version that's his Mario God yes
his Waliji damn they're picking the brain type
Bites, bro.
Oh, my goodness.
They have reverse numbers, too.
Yeah.
It's such a cartoon character, bro.
That's adorable.
Oh, this is hilarious.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
So far, you guys are undefeated.
Next one.
Whose brother is this?
Oh, see, that picture is not HD.
I don't know.
Yeah, this is tough.
This is tough.
This is a biracial.
looks like a whole lot of everything
a whole lot of everything
yeah
he's a we are the world person
yeah like real ambiguous
type of shit
this is that he looks like the average human
in like he is the United States
exactly
and it's like
Michael Porter Jr's brother
it's not
that's not a Porter Jr.
Okay if there's not a Porter
oh shit it's not a Porter
damn
wow
I'm trying to
I'm trying to look at
the eyes and the eyebrows
I'm not getting it
I don't see it
I don't know
this one doesn't look quite as much of like
He's a big guy
I know his brother's a big guy
Okay
He's either like a big
Is it somehow like a wing
Or a center
Well I
Okay
Is this Trey Low's brother
Fuck no
Shit
I see the resemblance though
I see why you said that
Yeah
I was gonna guess one of like
The Jones brothers
But they look
They all look exactly alike
So I don't think it's
It's not him
I might be cooked on this one
Oh, I got you guys finally that stumped you
I might be cooked
This I think I'm cooked too
Dammit
This is Devin Booker's brother
Oh hell no
Oh no
What the hell?
I would never get it in a million years
His name is Melvin
His name is Melvin
Oh no never mind
I don't know his name
That's on his name
Look at his head
You can kind of see it
Good job they go to the same barber
Like exactly
Yeah I would never get this
I got one
I wasn't gonna get that
Okay
Whose brother is this?
That's Hannibal Burst's brother
That's crazy
I have no idea who this dude is
bro
Who the hell
Who?
In Mecca ochrefer?
I don't know
What fuck?
His brother
is clearly tall though
Because you could see his brother
Like leaning in
Ah
You're the
body language analysis with the green lines yeah exactly his brother is clearly a beta male
i have no idea but i have zero clue i'm gonna get dwight how i'll say it's another one
howard this one is not hard this one is not hard at all we're we're gonna be upset if we don't
get it i would be wow uh yeah i'm cooked well i'm upset yeah this is michael jordan's brother
their mom got some questions to answer
what's going on here
Jesus Christ
next player
That's ridiculous
What's going on here
Jesus Christ
Whose sister is this
That's crazy
I don't know
Pepperdine
Where is pepper one more player
I don't know
Is Javele McGee's sister
I don't know
No this is not Javele McGee though
His mom was in the WMBA
I know
but that's not helping us right now
because we have this hooper
on the screen I have no idea
I'm we started off hot
I think I'm getting colder and colder as we go along
You are
You got someone's sister
Washed
This is tough
Why sister
System player
Is it like Scottie Barnes sister or something
That's no it's not a good guess
God damn
That's not a bad guess
Yeah that's a great guess
Who
I have no idea
I might be cook
This is Paul George's
sister. What's your name?
Oh, see, okay. So she looks like, she looks
more like Paul Young. Like Paul there
than in the picture. Yeah.
Okay, I can see it now.
Okay. No bad, no bad. Three in a row, three
else in a row, tough. Who's brother
is this last one? Ah! Oh my God. What's he doing
over here? This man
supposed to be in Miami right now. This is Tyler Hero's brother.
They look like twins. Really? That was that easy? Twins.
This is Tyler Hero's brother playing currently
for South Carolina.
Yeah,
no.
They're twins.
We need
We need.
We need.
No, not really.
We needed a winning record.
His brother
looks biracial.
I feel like
his brother looks like
what Tyler Hero
thinks she looks like.
That's him.
Hey,
yeah.
Oh,
shit.
That's the end of that.
His brother
just,
Blake Griffin
Okay
Next thing we're going to do
Action mode
Don't you have something for us
I forgot what it was
Yeah yeah yeah
You forgot
It's okay
Because I'll explain
Right now
We're gonna go ahead
I'm gonna have
You and Donovan
Guess which NBA player
Is longer
Which Mbba player
Yeah I said it
Which Mbate player is longer
Which MbA player has a longer
Wingspan
Which Mbby player
I was about to say
I don't know if I feel comfortable
doing this quite the premise you have here for us this is a very interesting topic we've went
ahead and guess NBA players by multiple things but this time I'm going to have two NBA players
and I want you to tell me which one is longer simple as that wingspan wise okay fair enough
I'm a lot about like okay I bet you do first up John Morant or lamello ball
see this should be easy
yeah well lamella's long as hell
like I feel like it has to be him
like lamello's length is well documented
and that's not something we know John Moran for
yeah I'm gonna guess
Lemello has a 7 no
Lamello probably has like a 611 wingspan
and John Morant 6 6 6
yeah I feel like you're trying to
trick us I feel like you're trying to set us up
but I remember seeing like 14 year old
Le Malo ball with his hands down to his knees
like his wingspan is pretty long so did you did you not watch ball in the family bro
all right don't act don't like i know when the mello was 14 he was long
what the fact i specifically don't act like we have been don't act like we have not been
watching lamella ball since he was like 13 what the fuck
are y'all stupid what are you talking about people have long arms and they go down to their knees
all right bro it's just calm down it's just sounding crazy it's job it's jama rent this dude has a
six seven wingspan compared to l mellow ball six six just by an inch lemlo has a negative wingspan
man yeah oh my god i didn't know that okay yeah yeah john
somewhere as long as hell, bro. He gets it from anywhere. Nice. Okay. This man,
pitched an idea about length. I start talking about length and now I'm getting fried. What do we
do it? Calm down. What is happening? Who's longer? LeBron James or Michael Jordan? Michael
Jordan. LeBron James. Are we kidding? Do you think I'm not going to pick LaGlorious King's
length? Like, obviously LeBron is large. It's going to be him. He's world renowned for being
bigger, faster, stronger than everybody.
He's also longer.
It's Michael Jordan.
But then again, Michael Jordan's hands are huge.
You know what they say.
Big hands, long arms.
So maybe he has longer.
I'm very uncomfortable with this.
I'm going to stick with LeBron,
but I can see Jordan being surprisingly long.
Isaac, I got good news for you.
It is our King James.
He is seven foot long compared to MJ 611.
beat him out by another inch another reason why he's just better 611 wingspan of 6 7 is pretty large
i agree bro sad up to be fantastic players shut on my goat exactly all right next up we have
kd versus ad oh i'm going kemerey it's got be anthony davis his wingspan is ridiculous it doesn't
have like a 7-5 wingspan it's something huge i understand that i'm still going keminder right
okay
no reason
I'm just going
Kevin her
no reason
it's bad reason
it's Anthony Davis
he has a 76 wingspan
compared to KD 75
I undersold my guy
he's longer than I thought
I should have
just when you think it ends
it just keeps on coming
and coming and coming
and coming and coming
endless arms
All right.
Next up, we got Victor Wemignamah versus Zach Eadie.
Ooh, who's got more length?
This is the matchup of the day.
Yeah, I imagine if we're going big on big, it's going to be Wemby, but Zach Eadie's close.
I'm more on Wemby.
I think Wembe has like an 8 foot wingspan, doesn't he?
You're correct.
It's Wemby as an 8 foot wingspan compared to Zach Eadie's 10.
He's not to him, my bad.
He's 7 foot 10 and 3 quarters.
God damn.
10 foot wingspan is
Yeah.
You'd be a slender man.
Literally.
Yeah.
All right.
Next up we got
Desmond Bain versus
Steph Curry.
It's not Desmond Bain.
It just can't be.
It just can't be Desmond Bain.
Statistical impossibility.
I'll have to go,
Steph Curry.
I as well will co-sign.
You both are wrong.
Damn.
Desmond Bain has a wingspan
is 6'4.
Steph Curry has a wingspan.
6-4-2, they're exactly the same.
And you know what?
I was still right.
It wasn't definitely that we did not win.
Do I stand on that?
I love it.
You love it, I love it.
All right.
Next up, we got Kauai versus Dramon Green.
See, same thing.
Same thing.
Drayman is a huge wingspan.
Yeah, but Kauai also has a massive wingspan and his hands are also massive as well.
I'm going with Kauai.
Yeah, we got to side with the big hands.
You know, I bet his big hands extend his reach enough.
that makes him beat Dremont Green.
That is a great assumption because it is Kauai Leonard.
He has a 7-3 wingspan compared to Dramon 7-1.
That's insane.
Yeah.
7-3 wingspan, bro.
Isaac, you know length, man.
I'm proud of you, bro.
He could be in both rooms at the same time.
It's crazy.
What the fuck?
Okay.
He could use the restroom while he fucking flicks pancakes.
Like he could be in multiple rooms.
Next up, we got Zion Williamson versus Russell Westbrook.
oh see zion doesn't have a huge wingspan
but yeah this is a sneaky one
is russ have a big wingspan i'm going to russ
russ is typically a bigger point guard
as i was a little bit shorter than you think
it's only like six six realistically i'm still gonna go zion
but i bet it's close i'm going brodie give me russ of westbrook
oh
is jac you're on a roll it is zion wilmson he has a six foot ten
wingspan compared to westbrook six eight
west is not a bad guess though
not a bad guess
typically zon loymson is known for his girth
but he's also extremely long.
Isaac, you know too much.
He's a wide guy.
He's sick. He's also the length.
Isaac has too much intellect right now.
When it comes to length, you are on question.
Question watch soon.
Okay.
Next up, we got Janus versus Magic Johnson.
Is it not easily?
It has to be honest, like, easily.
But then again, they measured Magic Johnson's wing span
when like 1975, so maybe those measurements
ridiculous.
They say, maybe they were like,
maybe they're like fucking seven foot nine.
Does Magic Johnson have an eight foot wingspat?
Eight foot, no. He does not.
I'm going to go Janus realistically,
but maybe those goal keep,
maybe those stack keepers back then
relying on magic.
Hey, maybe they weren't, bro.
Maybe they weren't.
So you're going to Magic?
I'm going to Janus.
We're going Janus.
Okay.
You are wrong, according to the metrics.
It's Magic Johnson.
He has a seven foot four wingspan
compared to Janus is seven foot three.
I don't believe that shit for a second
That's such a lie
Magic Johnson 7'4 weeks man
You know what happened
They probably ran out of tape
In 1979
And they were like
Yeah it's about another two inches on there
Yeah they didn't have a combine back then
They were just yapping
That's hilarious
His mom probably measured
He didn't report it
They went to the door frame
And just marked it
And that was it
They were limited back then
But what do you expect
And they got one more for you
We got Trey Young versus Jalen Brunson.
Trey Young versus Jailen.
Both in all guards.
I'm gonna go Trey Young.
Jalen Brunson, not known for his life at all.
He just looks like a stocky guy.
So yeah, I'm going to turn.
Real Desmond, real Desmond Bainey in the build.
Okay, okay, I see.
You are wrong.
Trey Young has a 6-2 wingspan.
Jailen Brinson has a 6-4 wingspan.
Oh.
You know what it is?
I think Jainon Brunson has narrow shoulders,
so it makes his arms look short,
but his alarms are probably still along.
Oh, right.
Yeah, surprising.
Went out sad, but I got most of them right.
Yeah, Isaac, you are a no-work.
Congratulations, you deserve my crown.
Let's go.
I want it back, though, next episode.
Next thing we're going to do.
I'm going to have you guys fill out a bracket.
We're going to do a bracket of point guards.
So it's a little, new little TikTok thing we're going to do.
I have eight point guards here.
And, yeah, we're just going to put them into a bracket
and see who wins. It's all randomized.
So I wasn't able to like, you know,
decide who gets matched up first, make it fair.
Completely random. Okay, cool.
Let's do this. And this shit does not want to work.
Okay, so we're just going to,
for some reason I can't control it, but we'll just say it out loud.
L software to this website.
I know, shitty website.
So eight point guards in a bracket, random seating.
First up, we got Luca Donchich versus Deeran Fox.
I'm sorry, Deeran.
Do you have made strides in your game over the years?
but Luca clears you in four
It's a clean sweet
You said too many words
Luca wins
La Mello ball
versus Jamal Murray
Two years ago
Jamal would have got it
Right now
I'm giving Lamello ball
The crowd
But it's taking
Their train lines are going
In opposite direction
Six games though
Six games
I guarantee you's gonna be like this
50 games in
Give me Lamello ball
If you can guarantee me
La Mello actually plays 50 games
Never go Lamello ball
pretty easily
Okay
Trey Young versus
is John Morant.
See, this is like a seven-game series here.
This is-
This is actually hard.
This is good.
This is tough.
I'm going to go job, but I don't feel great.
You know what?
I feel good about job being better, but the margin is small.
I think I'm going to lean towards Trey.
Donovan, your voice sign factor.
No, whatever.
Well, you know exactly how this is going to go.
I'm going with John Morant.
Oh, my God.
You know we're going to jump your ass, so it's fine.
Of course.
Of course, it's not fair.
Trey just mollywapped his team last night.
I'm destined to losing this outcome.
Trey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Darius Garland.
or Cade Cunningham.
Ooh, this is close.
This is close.
Actually, it makes me think.
No, it's not.
Actually, give me Dary's Garland.
Kate,
Kate had a great season so far.
I understand.
It's not.
Give me Darius Garland.
You should know if you see Darius Garland on a list.
I'm going to pick him,
even if it's not even the right answer.
I'm going to pick Garland every time.
You're picking Garland too.
Cade, I'm sorry.
You should know I'm not objective
by Darius Garland.
He's going on to the finals.
Cade, I tried to go to war.
Oh, finals.
I try to go for war for you, Cade.
But simply, I've been outmatched.
Luca versus La Mello ball
Luca
It's Luca
He's
Bashing too many words
Luka wins
Bashing through this
Jaumarant
versus Darius Garland
Ah
Jha
versus Darius
It's Jha
Why are we saying
I for it's Jha?
Put your love for Darius
down
It's Jha
You set Darius
I know you guys are both
gonna pick Jaws
so I'll just say
I'm picking Darius
just because I want to
The Glaze is outrageous
I love the
We have to go Jammarant
We have to go Jammarland
Welcome to the final
Luka Donchich or Jah Morant grand finals
Ooh
Give me Jaya
Up too many words
Luca Dantius wins
Ooh he said give me Jaws
Should I try and say Jha too
Give me Jha
You should fuck off how about that
I can't do it with a straight face
I have to do a Luca
No I'll take him
Luca
Luca
Lucas you are the win
of the random point guard bracket
I wish I wasn't even on this one
I should have taken him off
I don't know
I was truly random
I did it like
eight random starting point guards
sure took Luca off and put somebody else
that could have been interesting
Yeah
Everybody else would have been in the comments
So what about Luca?
What about Luca?
The effect
That would have been great for engaging
Okay, damn it's into that
Last thing we're going to do
I think it's the last thing
I'm going to show you guys
Two NBA players
And you guys can tell me
Which one's career you'd rather have
So if you were an NBA star
From that perspective
If you're actually playing
You know, whose career would you rather have?
Yeah
First off, we got Scotty Pippen or Dirk
I'll give me give me dirks easy really really you'd rather be a star that gets one title versus a second star that gets six
they don't love scotty like that scottie is forever the number two he like you you look at that
and i understand that it's like oh yeah mj and scotty part of the of the greatest duo that is michael jordan
at the top give me dirt give me a franchise legend i still get MVP's i still get a championship i'm still
respected as you know one of the greatest players of all time people say i won the hardest ring
of all time i'm going dirt you know what lady texas barbecue dirt gets for life oh my gosh that's better
than five more rings to me he never has to pay at hb that is the male ego at his finest give me
scottie pippin well actually hold on who made more money who made who do you think probably
dirk never mind i'm reverting back i'm a man i'm a man about his bucks give me dirk no whiskey
I'm no better than the average man.
Yeah, exactly.
I am the average man and it's fine.
Okay.
Chris Bosch or Joelle M.B.
I'm good.
I tell you every single week, you put Joelle up and I tell you, I'm not picking him.
I'm going with Chris Bosch.
So you'd rather be a guy who played on a really important team, a guy who could win
next to other stars on a great team or someone who is an MVP and like is the guy,
but unlucky.
I have all-star appearances.
I have all NBA appearances.
I have championships.
And I still have my dignity.
And I'm going with Chris Bosch.
I'm picking Joel and Bede.
I'd rather be one of the pound for pound best players I've ever seen.
I understand he's unlucky.
That sucks.
It would suck to deal with that mental turmoil of always being injured.
I'd rather be Joel.
I'd rather be that dominant.
Exactly.
Chris Boss does not have the opportunity or ability to talk about how he was one of the
three baddest dudes in the entire planet like Joel M. B does.
Joe and Bid would be telling stories for decades, bro,
about how he was Maliwapping guys like Yolkich, guys like...
Winnie about his school, nine times out of ten, I want to be an MVP.
I think that would be pretty fun.
Exactly.
Joel M. B. is the professional version of like, yeah, man, you know,
like I would have got that scholarship, but, you know, I blew out my knee.
You know, so it's like, I don't want to be remembered as like, oh, yeah, he was great,
but, like, we talk about Joel and Bid's career right now.
It's like, yeah, he has all that, but he never did it whenever.
It's constant ridicule.
And I don't want that.
If he didn't want that now, it's, no, it is.
It's ridiculed in the moment.
But in decades go on, people look back at it fondly.
All these guys that you say, which could have been, should have been if they didn't get hurt.
You'd never been like Grant Hill was soft.
Like, he was unlucky.
That's how Joe Ells can remember in 20 years too.
Yeah, exactly.
This story of just tragic.
You don't know how I feel about Grant Hill.
We've never had a conversation about Grant Hill.
You don't know about Hey Grant.
All right, man.
I actually got hell of smoke for Brandon Roy.
T.B.H.
Exactly.
Okay, next one.
Andrew Wiggins or Cat?
Who's won the breakup?
Andrew Wiggins.
Why?
He has the title.
Yes.
So one great year of Wiggins is better than, you know, a bunch of good years of Cat.
All-M-B-A-Cat, All-Star Cat.
Andrew Wiggins is also a number-one seed cat.
Andrew Wiggins has also made an also.
Star team.
He was an All-Star starter.
I forgot.
The K-pop fans got his back.
One All-Star.
Congratulations.
You know, I'll pick Andrew Wiggins because I want the power of K-pop Twitter behind me.
I believe if K-pop Twitter was bent to my will, I would accomplish anything.
Also, Andrew Wiggins did less work and still got a back.
That's true.
Listen, you said if you have the power of K-pop, you can accomplish anything.
If I have the power of Jordan Wins by my corner, I can accomplish even more.
Give me cat.
next player jimmy butler or derrick rose who won this breakup this is tough you're dumb man
i have no i mean do you want to be loved in the city like that yeah but jimmy buller did
how much does harold's chicken mean to you that's that's what i need to know that derrick rose
is a local legend forever.
He can go anywhere in Chicago and be revered.
Does Miami lead Jimmy like that?
Does he have that type of hometown connection?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
If Jimmy won a ring, it would be easy, but he didn't win a ring.
So would you rather get really close to winning a ring?
Or have like an iconic year that was always remembered.
Well, you also said, yeah, I'll take D. Rose.
You also said nine times out of ten, you're taking the MVP.
So I'll take that.
This is the one out of ten times, and maybe you don't because it was so quick.
He felt flashing a pan.
It was quick, but it lasted so long.
long. You want to talk about you don't want to be the guy that's like, oh, if my need
didn't blow out, that's fucking Derek Gross. It happens. Literally Derek Gross. It happened so
early. It happened before modern medicine. It's crazy. Before modern medicine like we're in
the 1920s. The Stone Age of the 2012. Listen, Derek Rose tore his ACL and we were like, oh man,
it was over. And then Adrian Peterson enlightened us and showed us that it's possible. And then
after that, people came back. The power of PEDs. Okay, next one. Dwight Howard or
Kyrie Irving. Nobody likes Dwight Howard.
I'm taking Kyrie Irving.
Dwight Howard has done nothing.
Clearly people don't like either of them.
No,
people like.
No, no, no, no.
The media does not like Kyrie.
People like Kyrie Irving.
You are the media.
I'm also, I'm just a regular guy, you know what I say?
You know.
You know, I'm not going to be Kyrie.
I respect Dwight so much.
But Kyrie is going to be lionized.
Like he was God's gift to dribbling over the next two decades.
People are going to look back on him.
him as such a legend of the game no matter what he did actually he literally was yeah like he's
the most skilled player of all time title is going to be on him forever no matter what exactly he's
he's the next step in the in the pound for pound basketball player you might have to go carry like
he will have alan irisans's legacy and alan iverson's glazing he will age amazingly
dwight howard on the other hand will be forgotten sadly probably that sucks because white how it was
amazing.
Yeah.
Dwight Howard showed up lonely solo to the party that they threw in the hotel lobby at the
bubble.
Like that's his legacy.
I'm going,
I'm going to carry with it.
The other day I saw people having conversations between Dwight Howard and Rudy
Gober.
I'm like,
what has this world come to?
Holy shit.
That was just one dumb tweet.
That was one idiot.
Some idiot was like, oh, his peak isn't even better than Gobert.
So nobody ray showed him.
That is insane.
Dummy.
Yeah, fuck out of here.
Next one.
Clay Thompson.
or Reggie Miller, the sharps shooter that was part of a great team
or the one who got to lead his own team.
Give me Clay.
I'll take Clay.
If Reggie got a ring, I might take him.
But sadly, he doesn't.
So I'll go Clay.
If Clay gets another ring with the Dallas Mavericks,
his legacy is going to look even sweeter, even though he's not a guy.
If he can show out of new Steph, that would be pretty cool.
Yeah, if he gets another ring without Steph and a whole new system, whole new play style,
ooh, yeah, give me Clay.
I love fan fiction.
Yeah, you may not need Steph.
You need Luke Dodger.
though. You need a top three
player in the world.
I close my eyes.
You need some of the goddamners.
It is Clayton.
You're not winning the chip.
Last one.
I don't even know if it's the last one actually.
Janice or Kevin Garnett.
You want to be the guy that stayed there and won for his team
or the one who eventually had to bounce to win a championship.
Man.
It's not even looked upon like that though.
Don't disrespect KG like that.
No, I just mean like, you know, your team failed you
and eventually moved on and you worked like a, not a drive.
I mean, you know me. You don't think Kevin, Kevin Garnett. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yannis is homegrown, though. Yannis is
better. He's one of the best development stories of all time. He won one for Milwaukee. Back to back
two MvPs in a row, DPOI. Like, it's a pretty great career. I'm not saying it's a bad career. I'm
saying I'd rather be Kimmer Garnett though. Why? Because ORA? Yeah. A hundred percent. What are you
talking about? I can walk around and be Kevin Garnett. Like it's, he's way cooler. He has to just be
Bad ass. He's cooler than Yannis, yes.
I get to scream and everybody will listen.
Walk around, just bashing your head
against someone. People were like, man, yeah, he's so
motivational. He's so different.
That's pretty cool. You go into any room in the country and people just want
to hear you scream. That's pretty cool, I guess.
I'm going to Kevin on it.
All right, there you go. The likability.
Alan Iverson or John Stockton.
Don't you ever put this pasty man
on my screen again? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Not too far, not too far.
John Stockton has done important things
in NBA history
The list is short
He's okay passer
And he's an all-time steels leader
Efficient three-point shooter as well
Before his time, might I say
Once again
You have said too many words
This is Alan Iverson and it's not a question
I think we should go bricks at you
It's actually the answer
What happened to tomatoes?
Hey
You should say I'm buddy buddy buddy
we should throw tomatoes to him that's the end of that and speaking of pasty princes i forgot i have
one more segment i want you guys to do i'm going to keep count i'm going to be the moderator
and i want you guys to see who can name the most white NBA players career all time yep so uh all
all time okay okay cool so let me pull up a uh an app where i can count clicks and tally for you
guys. Let me see if I can add a second person. There we go. So we got this pulled up. You
guys are going to go back and forth. Don't go too fast so I can keep up. You're going to keep
naming white players into one of you guys, you know, like stumbles and pauses and loses. Okay.
See who can get the most. I'll start this off. So real simple. You got to, I'm going to count
down three, two, one. Mo goes first. You guys start rattling off all the pasty prices you can
think of. Three, two, one. Tyler Colick.
I hate you. That was going to be your first.
I hate you so much.
I hate you so much.
Boom.
Boom.
Okay.
Larry Bird.
Luca Donchage.
Sam Meryl.
Pat Connison.
Nick Collison.
Garrison Matthews.
Oh my God.
I hate you so much because that is better than my pick.
Stop seeing my own players.
Tyler Hero.
Ooh, we're going Tyler for Tyler right now.
Okay.
T.J. McConnell.
Duncan Robinson.
Mm.
Okay. Luke Cornett.
Yaka Pertel.
Does he count?
Okay, I guess. Whatever.
Is he? Yeah, he's white as hell.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Whatever.
Kevin Love.
I'll keep moving. Steve Nash.
Ooh, Steve Kerr.
John Paxson.
Ooh. Luca Dantage.
You already said Luca.
No, I didn't. I said Tyler Kolic. I never said Luca.
Did he not?
Did he not? Did he say, Luca?
Maybe you said Luca.
I don't know.
Okay.
I think someone said Luca.
I think somebody said, I think.
No, someone said, someone said,
someone said in Yaka ProD.
I was like, wait, does he count?
And I was like, no, the beginning.
I think, don't, wasn't your first name, Luca?
No.
I was going to say Tyler Cole.
I said Steve Novak.
Okay, just because I don't remember on the moderator,
we'll take that one away.
You have three seconds to say a new name.
Lucas out.
Okay, so I have three seconds.
No.
Yeah, go.
Okay.
Don, Mo.
Okay.
I already said Steve Kerr also, but whatever.
Say a name.
Okay.
Payton, Pritcher.
Sam Hauser
Steve Novak
That was what he said
I said Steve Novak
Yeah
I got cooked I got cooked I got cooked I got cooked
Actually we know it's 10 10 right now
It's a tie Donovan say one more
Arthur Reeves
There you go
Donner wins
Let's go
No way
Got to 10 to 11
Okay
I think you might have lost twice
But I can't remember Luca for sure
So I gave you the credit
But Donovan wins definitively
Man
Okay.
I see you.
I see you next week.
We got to run this back.
Yeah.
Just random categories.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's so funny.
Okay.
You got that.
Okay.
Yeah.
And with that being said, that's the end of the white boy list.
And that's the end of the episode.
If people are still here, what should they comment, Mo?
Length on length.
Comment we're going big on big.
Thank you.
And we'll see y'all next week.
Nasty guys.