The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Early Problem Every NBA Team Needs To Solve | Ep. 114

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, y'all, we're recording this after a just depressing week with a very sad outcome that left all of us upset. And I know we had to mention it up the top of the screen. We had to mention it at least once. But the reality is now the Los Angeles Lakers have lost four of the last five games. Anyways. And the nation is shook. We are back. America is here.
Starting point is 00:00:21 The world are settled. The world is straight. The tectonic plates are even in balance. Oh, wait. That's how it works. It's a sad day for a country. Not the outcome I expected coming into the season. It's not what I wanted for us as a people, us as a fandom, but we're here and we're
Starting point is 00:00:36 to make the best of it. Yeah, man, how are y'all doing today? I'm sad. Listen, I'm doing great. Last night, I was at a sports bar. I watched Knicks versus Hawks. I watched Zachary Richesay, Damon, aka French Harrison Barnes. You remember that?
Starting point is 00:00:50 You remember that? You gave him that. You gave him that. I didn't know I gave him that. You gave him that. The stream is on the internet, all right? and I called Donovan right after the game and I didn't say anything, but this.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Yeah, I was actually upset. He did the bunch of me. There's no words. I was actually heated because I have, and listen, we will talk about it, but I have experience back-to-back games of this, maybe even three games of this, and Moe just calls me, doesn't say anything.
Starting point is 00:01:18 I almost didn't show up to him. Because I knew this moment was about to happen. I didn't know if I wanted to go through with it. The Knicks are looking, a little disappointing. The Lakers are floundering with the AD out last game. Lots of stuff going wrong for a lot of teams. So today, as you guys see by the title, we're going to talk about one early problem facing every NBA team. So, you know, some teams are doing good, but we're going to look at one thing that can do a little bit better to, like, you know, hit their max potential.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Some teams are completely drowning. We'll talk about that. Just, you know, one small or big problem for every single NBA team. Let's get into it. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. If you guys are watching on YouTube, do us a favor. Drop a like and subscribe. If you're on audio platforms, leave us five stars, leave a review, all that. Donovan, do you want to talk with the Knicks first?
Starting point is 00:02:17 Yeah, let's just get out the way. Because there's multiple problems. There's like, I know we're only talking about one thing. There's two big problems with this team. You must pick one. one problem for the nicks what's the first one okay i guess the the overall most concerning problem is that they can't guard anybody and it just it just doesn't matter like the nicks have one of the best offenses in the league despite you know some late game issues we'll put that aside
Starting point is 00:02:44 they can't guard anybody and they can't stop anybody at the rim and it seems like everybody can get a everybody can get a rim if they everybody can get to the rim if they want to you can get layups all day. Cat is not stopping anybody at the room. He's not like the, and this is, we knew this coming in. Like, we tried to convince ourselves that, hey, maybe the offense is so good that they will be able to win games and, you know, still be the two, three seed out. You still be able to be competitive.
Starting point is 00:03:13 But the issue that you saw on night one against the Celtics, the team perfectly set up to exploit their weaknesses, you saw the absolute worst case scenario of what the Knicks could look like. Throughout the first seven games, in a lot of their losses, it has been because those weaknesses have shown up time and time again, and they can't, they can't guard anybody. I tried to, I tried to fool myself into thinking that McKell Bridges and O.G. Ninobe and Josh Hart on the perimeter would be good enough to sustain. But when Jalen Brunson is not a lockdown defender, right, to say the least, at your point guard petition, when Karnathy Towns is not Rudy Gober at all, he's not, he's not Isaiah, he's not Isaiah Hartenstein at, at, at the
Starting point is 00:03:53 room. You can't do anything. And then when he goes to the bench, you got Jericho Sims coming in the game and he's not helping either. So it's- That's the biggest issue. It's awful. Is their bench is non-existent right now. And if I had this team, my biggest issue would be they have three guys I can play on their bench and even they can barely play. The fact they're running at eight-man rotation, seven games into the season is insane. It's been this case all year. And they just need Mitchell Robinson back, like desperately. They need the ability to have him come in when cats on the floor, play them together to mitigate some of cats' bad rim defense. they just need more good players
Starting point is 00:04:23 off the bench, specifically someone who can block shots. And the good thing is, though, you're saying you sound kind of doom and gloom. They got a guy waiting to come back around January. So I don't think, you said we thought
Starting point is 00:04:31 they could be a two or three C because the offense. I still think that. I think once Mitchell Robinson comes back, we'll keep our fucking fingers crossed that he stays back and doesn't get hurt again.
Starting point is 00:04:39 That's the issue. But I... Yeah, that's the problem. You know every single year that he's going to miss a lot of games. And you said, you said, you know, oh, it's not like he's coming back next week.
Starting point is 00:04:50 You talk about January Another month of basketball is going to be played At least 30 games are going to be played Half the season before Mitch Robinson comes back And I know that a lot of the East is going through A lot of injuries like Orlando's going through their stuff With Palo Today right before we started recording
Starting point is 00:05:07 Tyrese Maxi was announced that he's going to miss You know several weeks with a hamstring injury Milwaukee sucks Like all the teams that you thought were going to be at the top They're going through problems so maybe the Knicks can, like, sustain that. But still, getting to January and not having a backup center is crazy. And you saw the Knicks, like last week, they had their rookie on a two-way contract.
Starting point is 00:05:29 They signed him to like to an actual deal because eventually he's going to have to, he's going to have to play. My man, Hookporty. He's going to have to play center because the Jericho Simmons minutes are just not cutting it. Mo, does it make you happy? Of course it does. Look at the smile at my face. Oh, man, listen, I hear you, Donovan, and I'm happy to hear you cry, pout and have a very, very terrible night. It makes me happy.
Starting point is 00:05:58 But also, on like a real, on the real tip, too, seeing the Knicks be so top heavy is concerning, but that's just what happens with most teams when you, whenever you make seismic trades in one singular summer. Usually you don't see trades like this happened, like an organization do two back-to-back moves in one summer. Two of them is like enough, but two. You acquired $30 million in contract with McHill Bridges and then fucking $55 million in contract with Carltonetowns. Yeah. You got to send a lot of people out for that math to math. So it doesn't, it's not surprising at all like you said.
Starting point is 00:06:29 It sent out six first round picks as well. Exactly. That's crazy. Exactly. And one singular summer too. Usually we see like a lot of teams have one of these moves in them or once every like two, three years they try some shit like that. But one in one summer is insane.
Starting point is 00:06:43 And so this is like not surprising also considering who your head coach is. and whatnot something that I'm happy about and things is that Macau Bridges his shot in his back and he reverted into you know giving up the gimmick that he was trying to when he was trying to have a faster gimmick yeah exactly exactly he's him now try to get better such a stupid ass to shoot like last year but yeah he's back and it's a great thing to see but also there's just roster construction issues at this point in time yeah and honestly is very predictable and it will be fine for a playoff setting if Rich Robinson is there
Starting point is 00:07:21 but if not it's not surprising at all it like we said this is what you expect from the Carlton Towns experiment the numbers bear it out exactly as you'd expect you said everybody can get to the rim they're actually not that bad in rim volume given up they're like 15th so the middle of the road and how often people get there but the problem is
Starting point is 00:07:36 when they do get there it feels like it but let me tell you why it feels like that because when they do get there they are 28th in efficiency so anybody that gets there is probably going to finish over Carleton's because his rim defense is famously terrible. I've given him credit he was pretty good as a power forward next to go bear last year defensively, but as the five anchor in defense, he's not good at all, especially when the
Starting point is 00:07:56 point of attack defender is often Jalen Brunson because they force him in actions. And what's interesting is I mentioned they're not very high in volume, so like they're doing a good job stopping people from getting there, but they're doing that because they're focusing on helping their wings inside and really rotating hard at the rim to prevent that and really help cat. And because of that, they're 29th and three point volume giving up. So that is letting people shoot threes and hoping that that's going to have a better outcome than everyone finishing over Kat, and it's not going well.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Because not only are people getting any shot at the rim and finishing it well, but also getting any three they want, that's not a good formula for good defense whatsoever. I'm so frustrated. I'm so frustrated. Because even on top of that, and I know you said one, no, we're going doom and gloom. I'm saying, here's my second thing is that when, like, games like last night and the game before against the Rockets. The leg game offense has been really, really bad.
Starting point is 00:08:49 And people are, you know, Knicks fans, you might see them starting to turn on Brunson. And I don't want to go that far. But there, you've, we've heard him time and time again say, like, I have to be better. I have to get Kat more involved. That's a real thing because there was several times last night, we're down the stretch. Cat was open. And Brunson had to just turn his head and give him and give Kat the ball. And it would have been a wide open thing.
Starting point is 00:09:11 And I think that Brunson is right now. the way that he's playing, it feels like he thinks that they're still in last year's playoff mode where they have absolutely like no depth. And yes, the bench is, no, no, no, in the way that like the bench is not good now, but like your starters are also not competent. You have competent guys around you when you're closing it. And it feels like he's trying to play hero ball a lot and you don't have to do that. I feel like that just burns his game. Naturally, he's a shoot first type of player. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:09:44 He's never been like a high level of elite passers. When you talk about Jalen Brunson, you never talk about his passing. That's one of the last things to talk about when it comes to his offensive game. This isn't shocking, though. Yeah, yeah. They need time to adjust. They added a star center. Hardenstein is a great offensive player.
Starting point is 00:10:01 He was perfect for Brunson because Hardinstein is a passing hub that can, you know, Brunson can run off the handoff and Hartnstein can focus on delivering the perfect passes. The guy's going downhill. Do all those connecting stuff. Cast the opposite. You connect for him because he's a play finisher. You want him to get open threes, you want him to reward to the rim. It's an entirely different style of offense that Brunson has to adapt to you.
Starting point is 00:10:19 I'm not super concerned about that yet. That's something that is always going to be an issue. We're seeing the same thing with the Timberwolves with them adapting to playing around Julius Randall. But in an inverse, you make a deal right before training camp starts. It's going to take time to get used to that. He better. It's getting frustrated. No, listen, Adam, maybe they don't never do, but we need to give that element more time.
Starting point is 00:10:36 I think the defense thing is personnel, but the offense needs time. I think the offense definitely needs time. I agree. but when it comes to just like overall offensive predictability, they'll probably have a lot harder over time, harder of a time getting more creative in the playoffs and whatnot because they don't have the connective tissues like an Isaiah and Isaiah Hardinstein are guys of that nature anymore.
Starting point is 00:10:58 So it's going to be tough. They'll figure it out though. I think their offense will be fine. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Let's talk about the second team. And, you know, we're doing one problem every NBA team has early. This is a team that doesn't have very many problems.
Starting point is 00:11:10 This is a team that's been on top of the goddamn world, and that's the Golden State Warriors. A team. So my one problem with the Warriors right now they have is that John the Cominga doesn't look particularly good. He is not shooting as well at the rim. He's down to 60% down from 70, which is still pretty good, but not amazing.
Starting point is 00:11:26 He's not shooting the three ball well. I think he's been kind of a ball stopper getting into his mid-range shots, and his defense has been terrible. But it doesn't matter because they're amazing, and they are fantastic. And I guess before we get into the John the Cominga stuff, are y'all finally willing to admit they're good?
Starting point is 00:11:38 I want to see what they look like for the remainder of this stretch for the next yeah for the next it's four games i they have they have they have games against cleveland okayc Dallas and memphis and this was the five game stretch that last week we said we will wait until the end of this stretch and then we can make proper assessments about this team because you know step step will be back they would have played all the stinkers and these are like real real test and so on next week's episode i will 100% be able to to tell you whether I think this is like real or I'm buying it. But I'm still like, okay, let's see, let's see.
Starting point is 00:12:16 But there are some signs from them that make me feel more confident about them than I did coming into the season. Mainly, interesting. Mainly Andrew Wiggins being good at basketball again. Yeah. It's Andrew Wiggins and then also it's buddy healed learning how to be not completely useless on defense anymore. He's actually playing defense these days.
Starting point is 00:12:36 And that's something that's obviously been like a glaring hole in this career whenever he's not shooting the ball what is he doing running around looking for the three-pointer but now obviously with the worries he's running around with more intention and Steve Kerr has put him in position to actually be more versatile or useful defensively and that's something we've never seen before in his career whether it be in Sacramento new warrants for a hot second or the 76ers yeah so you guys are still need to wait and see I get it I get it it's only it's only one game against the Celtics in which I didn't have Jalen Brown and didn't have Porzingis you know making them easier to guard. For the second week in a row, I'm here to tell you, they are real. I'm fully in
Starting point is 00:13:13 on them. They're, they're a very good team. Last week I said, I think they'll end up being the seven seed. Going higher. I think they're a top six. They're probably like the four or five seed. I think they're going to be really good all year. They're an extremely good team. Wow. I've seen enough. And again, I'm not necessarily, I don't care that they beat the Celtics. Like I said, it was a close game. They're Celtics Runderman. I don't care about who won or lost that game. But the process, what we saw against a good, a good, well-coached team, everything defensively that they've been doing all year to just shackle all the shitty teams they played,
Starting point is 00:13:42 it held up well. They are the most aggressive defense in the NBA. They lead the league and double team rate by far, actually. It's a huge amount. I forgot they said on the broadcast. It was a large portion of their plays. They're blitzing screens. And you know, you play the Celtics
Starting point is 00:13:55 with no Jalen Brown, no Pursingis. They have less help. More role players out there, less guys that can create the ball in their hands. So they said, Jason Tatum, anytime you want a screen, we are blitzing you. And we're not just blitzing you with anybody.
Starting point is 00:14:09 It's with Andrew Wiggins and Draymond Green. That duo are, at the season in today, they would both be first team all defense. They're defending out of their mind. I think to this point, Draymond Green is the DPOI. It's either him or Chad Holmgren. It's one of those two, and I would lean Draymond Green because the warriors have less defensive talent than the insanely stacked. Okay, see, Thunder do.
Starting point is 00:14:27 But you have Andrew Wiggins defending like a first team all defense guy. Draymond defending like a DIPO guy. They're super aggressive together. They had the perfect game plan to slow down the Celtics. We're going to double team Jason Tatum, and you're going to have to beat us with Peyton Pritchard getting the ball swung to him with the rotating defense around him. It's just super smart, well-coached team. They have a ton of length. I mentioned I think Andrew, John the Camiga hasn't been very good. He's big. He's tall. They have more length there. Gary Payton
Starting point is 00:14:51 plays big for position. You know, he's a big one. He's, you know, plays large. Curry is always a smart IQ defender. He's been doing really well this aggressive defense. They have the personnel to do it and the highly coached team. We know offensively they're going to be a top 10 offense every year by the nature of having Steve Kerr, Draymond Green, and Steph Curry. I think the defense is fully real because of Andrew Wiggins' bounce back and because of their positional size at every position, that sounds to me like a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense, which means you're going to be a good team all year. Yeah, that's fair. And I'm with you. Like, I think, I think Kaminga is the odd man out and him offensively. Like, we were
Starting point is 00:15:25 talking about this in the summer when we were talking about, oh, the word is going to give Kaminga the extension. It's like, do you really, really feel like, I know, I know this is commonplace to just give, you know, your young players who you are kind of betting on to give in the contract, but in your heart of hearts, do you actually believe that Jonathan Kaminga deserves $150 million from you? God know. Yeah. And so it's kind of playing out now.
Starting point is 00:15:47 And the way that they're playing, it feels obviously like, actually no, it feels like 2022-esque and just like, you know. Oh, yeah. And like how good their, the defenses. And if you can get Kaminga or somebody else in that role to start playing, you know, that Jordan Poole role where he can come in and be efficient, good offense. and be a spark where step and draymore are going to do that thing andrew wiggins you know remembers how to play basketball uh but he healed is doing the clay thompson role you can you there
Starting point is 00:16:20 are a science here for them to be you know able to make a very very deep playoff run and be one of the top teams in the west yeah um right now they're bench okay so let's talk more about why i was down on them i didn't like this team coming to the season because i didn't see the vision with john the Kaminga, and I thought they needed Kaminga to be good, to be good. I clearly supple them the rest of their talent. I focus too much on my Kaminga issues, but the Kaminga issues are still there. I think they're a very good team, but if they are able to trade Kaminga for a piece that makes sense, like a Cam Johnson or another bench ball handler, whatever may be, they could be a
Starting point is 00:16:52 truly great team. Like you said, Cam Johnson would be so good. It'd be insane. Because right now their bench, their bench lineups are heavily carried by Buddy Heald being God's gift to shooting. When you ever Joseph Curry and Dram won off the court and they have these Buddy Hill bench units, they're just running him around screens and he's the past, he's the offense by running around screens and causing issues and passing from there. Yeah. And it's worked amazingly because
Starting point is 00:17:13 he can't miss a three. I don't anticipate that being the case forever. I think eventually he'll normalize. So like, I don't know, maybe 42% from three, something that's still amazing. Yeah. Yeah. They need some more bench, um, so they can, you know, continue this level of offense whenever he's not being God's gift of shooting, like I said. And yeah, to me, that's John the Kaminga. He just doesn't make sense there. And no one also on the topic of the fact that I underestimated them. I was thinking about it. I tweeted about it this morning.
Starting point is 00:17:40 The reasons I underestimated the Warriors are the exact same as the reasons I underestimated that Timberwell was last year. It's the same thing as last year. Speak on it. Okay, so two, three seasons ago, whatever it was, whenever they first got Gober and Cat, I convinced myself to believe in them.
Starting point is 00:17:54 I bought stock and they shit the bed. They were terrible, right? Weren't good that first year. So the next year coming into it, I was like, you're going to have to show me. You're the tendency to me until you show me this duo can work together because I think it's terrible. And they came in.
Starting point is 00:18:06 And they were amazing last year, where it ended up like the 3C, but there were one C for most of the year. Same thing this season. Because last year, I made a video in the second half of the season where I saw the vision, Camingo was playing well,
Starting point is 00:18:16 and I bought in on the Warriors. I have a whole video on my personal channel saying the Golden State Warriors are back, don't count out the dynasty yet, and they proceeded to play horrible end of the season. And then, you know, finishes the 10th seat or whatever.
Starting point is 00:18:26 It was terrible. So coming here this season, I was like, you're going to have to fucking show me because I'm not buying into the shit again to get burned. And I let that, you know, I overlooked some,
Starting point is 00:18:36 reasons why they were going to bounce back. I let it, I let my emotion make me overlook the fact that, you know, Dremont got suspended for 16 games last year. He got injured. That's why their defense wasn't very good last year, not necessarily because their personnel sucks. They were still a top 10 offense, even though I have issues with the Kaminga thing. So two years in a row, I was guided by emotion and I slept on a top team in the West. All those things are still there, though. Like, like you still, like you still have issues with, with Kaminga. You still have the night tonight, you know, volatility of Dremont, if, you know, that's ever going to happen. They just got two, like, Andrew Wiggins is, Andrew Wiggins being good again and being a, like,
Starting point is 00:19:17 not only competent, but an actual like plus defender for them and a plus player. That's massive compared to, hey, this guy has barely played over the last two years. And then even whenever he's on the floor, it looks like he is worse than Minnesota, Andrew Wiggins. And that's the thing. We assumed he keep being bad. there was reason we know we knew about the off the court stuff you could be optimistic and you could have seen it coming that he'd bounce back to normal how old is bad for two
Starting point is 00:19:41 years though is crazy he was bad for two back to back years first year understandable last year it's like okay yeah I was 20 again I'm not saying I'm not saying we're idiots I'm not apologizing I was just wrong it happens I don't give a shit so like I'm not saying it was terrible logic but it's easy to see where I went wrong now when I was guided by what I was guided by high 20 20 games that's what you got to do you got to look back and see where he went wrong that's it
Starting point is 00:20:02 exactly 20 games into the season I relate So I'm not apologizing Warriors fans on Twitter I've been talking well about them And some people were like Stay on that side I saw the pod
Starting point is 00:20:11 Go fuck yourself I'm not standing on shit That happened When I was making predictions Without seeing a team play I'm not apologizing For being wrong It happens
Starting point is 00:20:19 Fuck you Yeah Going to war over basketball opinions That are not even finite Absolutely hilarious As if we're not allowed To change their mind
Starting point is 00:20:26 Or just like Be real I gotta have a take on 30 teams I'm gonna get seven or eight of them wrong Because I can't get them all right I'm sorry, forgive me, Warriors fans. Go ahead. Please accept me back.
Starting point is 00:20:43 Yeah. But no, man, they're good. They're good team. I need to see it for 20 more games. I need to see the sustain for 20, 20, 25 more games. But I will agree when it comes to seeing how they're winning is not something that I envisioned. Seeing their defense be monstrous in having to see, like you said, Andrew Wiggins and Jermon Green and the.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Gary Payne, juniors of the world, just blitz you on a consistent basis. It's just, I didn't see that duo coming, being a real thing again, defense. Yeah. So if they're going to hang their hat on that end while also having Staff Curry and Buddy Heald and all the innovative offensive movement that they consistently had over the last few years, there's a pathway. There is for sure a pathway. I'm not sure if there's a pathway for them to legit be top six in the Western Conference.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Because I think other teams are eventually going to be. bounce back. It's a long season, but this is a great sign for Warriors fans. Thanks. Listen, they already had, their 7-1. They're already building a good lead. This early lead matters a lot. It is a long season. They can choke, but getting out to a hot start helps a lot. Nothing's unsustainable. Like, sure, Buddy Hill's going to calm down a little bit. So, they're winning with the lead offense. They'll go from being 90% one percentage to like 75, which is still like the three seats. Yeah, the defense don't move. Offense goes up and down for sure. And yeah, I agree
Starting point is 00:22:01 with you 100%. Hopefully they go ahead and get rid of John and Gamingas soon so they can see real leaps. Who will that be for? No idea. But we'll see. Okay. What's your first team? We spent a lot of time on these first two teams. What's your first one? You know our game.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Yeah, we are. The episodes are always top-loaded, but we'll get to every team, man. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That was fun. It feels like 10 minutes just flew by instead of 30. Oh, my God. Anyways. Well, we're 30 minutes? Yeah. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Yeah. Actually, we're about 22 minutes in. First team that I have talking about. Early problem that I noticed with the Memphis Grizzlies. I'm sorry. It's not like you're about to throw up. Here, ball. No.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Anyways, the early problem with the Memphis Grizzlies is that, okay, we sit down. I sit down here. I notice that their defense is not elite as it once was back in their 2021, 22, 22 season. Cool. That's fine. this team gives up a hell of a lot of threes. I think their top three in terms of three point attempts given up so far this season. It's open season for them.
Starting point is 00:23:11 They don't care. That's just how their offense has been or their defense has been designed. And I think right now we can all agree like their biggest problem is probably health off, off bat. But their defense specifically on off, specifically giving up threes hasn't helped at all. something that they've been known for the last few years. Noticed me just an overall big, long, lengthy team is their rebounding. They've been pounding the boards for years upon years since this like New John Morant and Jaron and Jaron Jackson Jr. duo became a thing.
Starting point is 00:23:42 And they haven't, they've been doing that still, but not to the same level of this like potency just yet. I think they're 12th and overall rebounding so far this season. A couple years ago, or even 2023, 2021, they were hovering around like fourth, number one fifth in rebound per game and now they're just like kind of middle of the packish or whatever and for now i guess that's fine as you start to have key wings and role players start to come back whether it be the gj jacks of the world or the vince williams of the world but also i see like new guys flourishing like jalen wells who i didn't hear of or no until like this the last two
Starting point is 00:24:21 weeks. So really the three-point shooting is their defense philosophy right now in terms of or maybe it could be luck also. Maybe it could be like because they're actually up to 11th defense already now. After the last game, yeah, they're 11th and defensive right now. So I think it's normalizing a little bit. Yeah. Especially they give up a lot of threes right now. The whole time their defense has been good. They're there are funneled to the interior type of defense because they want you to attack their strongest defender, Jaron Jackson. So they always allow got much shots at the room. But usually they prevent the three as well. when they were good two years ago, it was 32% of shots at the rim and 37% from 3.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Right now it's 43% from 3. So they have to tighten that up a little bit, which to your point, I think it probably has more to do with the fact that there's a lot of perimeter players that aren't used to being heavy-minute guys there that they're really having to figure out and keep them disciplined. Like, as great as Scott Pippen Jr. is playing. As great as Drake-Loravia, all these guys have been playing, they're not Vince Williams, Jr. They're not Desmond Bain. So, you know, they got tightened up on the rotations out along quite so many threes.
Starting point is 00:25:21 But I think they'll be fine when they're healthy. Yeah, I agree. Based off of where they are right now, I think all Memphis Grizzan fans should be happy as hell because things could be a lot worse. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:30 It didn't be still there. Shut out of the Grizzlies. You have the first team we're talking about today as a very, very minor issue that will help itself with time. But then again, they're never healthy. So maybe it'll be a thing forever. Maybe Vince William.
Starting point is 00:25:39 I could easily say health is the biggest issue, but that's me. And as though right now, they have a foundation, which is good to see. Shout out the Grizzies, man. Don, what's your next team? Let me see.
Starting point is 00:25:51 where I want to go to. So my next team that we're going to talk about, let's talk about the Cleveland Cavaliers, another team at the top of the conference. Oh, they're undefeated. Yes, they have, they have an issue that they've had for several years, which is their best, like, their main lineup still is not good
Starting point is 00:26:09 with Mobley and Allen on the floor. Like, they still have not figured out how to fully maximize it. And we've said plenty of times that it's probably structural. And so there probably isn't like too, too much that you can do to make this one of the, like, absolute best lineups in the league. But it's still concerning because you know that if everybody's healthy, those four guys are going to be out on the floor. And unless Kenny Atkinson is like, actually, no, Jared, you are going to sit down
Starting point is 00:26:38 because the way that Evan Mowgli is playing this year, he has to be on the floor to close games. And so it's, it is, I don't know, it's just very, very interesting because, Right now, when Mobley is on the floor and Jared Allen is off, their best lineup, they're plus 24 and a half. When Alan, when Jared Allen is on and Evan Mobley is off, they're plus 8.8, which is, again, still, yeah, still 80th percentile. When both of them are on the floor, now, there's like a million lineups with them, but like the actual main one is minus point five.
Starting point is 00:27:17 So they still haven't figured out how to do that and I at this point I just don't think it's going to get fixed I just think that this is yeah this is this is who they are and so it sucks because they're you know they're eight no and we actually like them and they're playing really well but there's an impending move that needs to happen and so like Jared Allen I'm sorry I don't even think it's that big of a deal I mean so yeah their starting lap is really great and if so one Kenny Ackinson has been a lot better about the bus staggering them completely. They don't even play that much together. They just pretty much just start and close games together.
Starting point is 00:27:51 That's like it. They have essentially, Cavs fans like to say they have two starting lineups. Exactly. They have the starting lineup that's Donovan Mitchell and Jared Allen being the duo and the one that's Garland and Evan Mobley. And that's why they're 9-0
Starting point is 00:28:01 and that's why they're so unstoppable is because they have those lineups that you mentioned with one of the bigs that are all crazy positive and they can have one of those duos on the court at all times. And you mentioned that's always an issue because for politics reasons
Starting point is 00:28:13 you have to play your best players at important parts of the games. I think in a playoff setting, in games that matter, you would see him bench Jared Allen for the final five minutes of the game. They would start them all to, you know, keep the rotation intact, but they would just close games. They have Moby at the center. So the regular season, it gives you a big advantage of chewing innings and having every minute of the game. You have an elite big, an elite guard out there. And in the playoffs, you have the versatility to ride the hot hand.
Starting point is 00:28:36 And really, with sand injury is the biggest thing. One of those bigs can get hurt and it barely matters. If Kenny, if Kenny Akinson is willing to do that, then cool. like I'm okay on it and I see the I see the vision but we'll see and also if that if that like does become a problem because you know ultimately you're going to run into the Celtics in a playoff series and now that now that Darry's Garland is back to playing like Darry's Garland which also I'm ready to take a victory lap for all three of us because all three of us have stayed the course we have held our Darry's Garland stock we told you guys listen he had a broken jaw
Starting point is 00:29:14 and lost 12 pounds he's he was healthy this off season he's coming in into the season all good and he is hooping so shout out to dari's garland but they can never make me hate you never when you get when you get into a playoff series against boston like i i just hope that they're willing to go to that change and do the necessary things before it's too late you know like if you like after game one if you see that you see that jared like this this is just not the it's not the series for you right and we'll do everything else. So that's my big concern, which is everybody's concerned.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Yeah, that's what they'll do for sure. I'm not concerned at all. I'm in love with this team, man. Seeing that they have like literally two starting lineups, as an opposing team, you usually get a break whenever the star player is sitting down. Whenever the Luca has to sit down, it's like, okay, Kyrie led offense,
Starting point is 00:30:02 that doesn't put like much fear in my heart. Dame led offense, don't put much fear in my heart or whatever. Or Jamal Murray, Russell Westbrook led offense, no fear in my heart. almost every single team in the NBA does not have two forces that they can rely on at all times and the Cleveland Cavaliers have that
Starting point is 00:30:22 rarity that no one else can say outside me the Boston Celtics or in the Oklahoma City Thunder what is it? They have well we hyped up with the thunder having Hardinstein and Chet and the fact that they have two bigs that can play together if need be but are going to be amazing playing separate
Starting point is 00:30:36 and being able to have one of them on the court at all times this is the same shit now those guys are better because, you know, check and shoot so they can actually play together at a high level. Exactly. But it's the same type of thing where you're going to have
Starting point is 00:30:44 interior dominance for 48 minutes and it's just a, especially for regular season chewing up wins, it's a crazy cheat. Especially X, and you have two exterior dominance as well on a consistent basis.
Starting point is 00:30:55 And these guys get to face against like the seventh, eighth, ninth man, night and ninth dudes coming off the bench. And at that point of time is just like free, free food. It's a buffet.
Starting point is 00:31:05 And they have good wing depth now. And they have really good winged up. Yeah, this is terrible. They're racking up wins They're good I saw a tweet today The East is 10 and 26 right now
Starting point is 00:31:13 Against the West God damn we're getting Molly walked We need to do better They suck 10 and 26 The Cavs also have really good Wing death now Dean Wade has been fantastic
Starting point is 00:31:22 Sam Merrill has been fucking knocking everything down Ty Jerome's been a good backup point guard Like Yeah I was two years too early With my Cavs hype But they're finally here
Starting point is 00:31:30 I liked them When they didn't have shit for shooters On the outside And I tried to pretend It wasn't a problem Now they fix this And now they're great
Starting point is 00:31:37 Look around you We built this sadly I sold my stock last year but I'm buying it back in now I didn't hold long enough it was a long hold okay what team do I want to do next we've been in a lot of main character teams
Starting point is 00:31:52 let's do a more overlooked team right now let's do do I actually so I had the chat GBD split these lists up into three a list for all of us have 10 teams I forgot I got only main character teams all I have is big market I got absolutely cooked.
Starting point is 00:32:10 I got the... Mo has the background. Tray blames of the world. I got the goddamn... Do I have the Utah Jazz, too? Oh my God, I have the Utah Jazz Pistons, Spurs. I have the Raptors and the Wizards. I got a stinker.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Okay, so I guess I don't even know the really cool team. The Phoenix Suns. This is abundantly clear. I don't think it'll take much time for me to explain this. Their biggest problem, their one early problem early in the season, is that they employ Yusuf Nerkich. and Yusuf Nerkich stinks Hube last night though
Starting point is 00:32:41 Good I'm glad I didn't bounce by that game Shout out the Miami Heat for letting Yusuf Nerkich go nuts Dude He has been such a lump of coal Amongst a diamond mine Like he has been such a terrible Just dark spot on everything else It's been amazing
Starting point is 00:32:56 In The Phoenix Sun is led by Mike Boonhooser Bradley Beal looks really good playing on and off ball Tice Jones is playing his traditional point guard role Great Kevin Durant looks amazing He looks like the best I've seen Kevin Durant in a long time Devon Booker's Devin Booker, whatever There's one name I didn't say there In the starting lineup, and that is Yusuf Nerkich
Starting point is 00:33:12 Who has been outright terrible If they can replace Yus of Nerkich somehow, some way They probably can't because they're a second apron team With little than no flexibility But if there's a world in which they don't have to start Use of Nourkech come playoff time This team will be insanely hard to beat Because he has been weighing them down so much
Starting point is 00:33:27 Aside from this game we're watching against them. Yeah, this whole highlight tape is going to be Nurgich, he went crazy That's because the heat suck And we'll talk about them later I hate the heat. Right now their offensive rating is 7.6 points with him worse than when he's off They get to the rim 2% less with him playing Which you would think they get to rim more when you play your you know best big man
Starting point is 00:33:47 Not the case because he's not a rim throat at all They get the transition plays the offensive rating of transition is 5% worse with him on the court And they rebound 12% worse with him on the court Their biggest body makes them worse at the rim and worse rebounding It's nonsense This has been the case for like two years now it has It's not surprising. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:06 And when, like, as soon as they made the trade to go to, to get NERCage. And like, yeah, because they traded Aiden and got, got NERCage back. And it's like, as down as I was about A and I was like, he's still better than NERCys. Like, NERCHAG is this big guy. He can't, you can't move like that. He was coming off of major, major lower leg injuries. And now we're two years removed from that. He's older.
Starting point is 00:34:31 And there's just, there's just nice. We're like, yo, like, what is, what is going on? so yeah his decision making has been horrible he's trying really hard to use his passing ability it seems as his high hub post guy passing has been terrible it's just been like something perplexing plays where it seems like he's just not fitting in and he's trying to make it work and trying to provide value somewhere by over emphasizing his passing and it's led to just like dumb turnovers where you're like keep the ball moving man stop trying to make it a use of nerkish play it's not working yeah yeah i mean when it comes to how anyone would envision the use of nurkich being
Starting point is 00:35:03 productive in the NBA today it is like you know can you shoot and can you like pass a little bit and he's been trying finding for his life to go ahead and do all those things and they're just not working it's sloppy that's hilarious bro yeah so yeah when it comes to them every every six games though like every six to eight games he's going to have one game like this and so don't be fooled do not be fooled for the majority of the season the sons will be better if they have a replacement for no kids and then come playoff time no kid's he's gonna kill them in like several games yeah and again nothing they can do about it their second apron team hopefully the um their young center i'm forgetting his name now the second round pick hopefully he can uh blossom
Starting point is 00:35:47 as the season goes on to take big minutes away from him but this is just going to be the weakness all year and that's you know that's team building for you when you have three stars got to tragic scene tragic scene all right you want to move on yeah what's next team okay I I'm ready to talk about another team that has a problem. And it is my Atlanta Hawks. Okay. This season so far has been had really high highs and ups so far. We've lost about half of our rotation, just three, four games into the season.
Starting point is 00:36:20 And we've been running the Rotties of the world. We've been running the Keaton Carson of the world. We've been running all these. I said Keaton Carson. Kaysen. My bad. Keen Kaysen. I said Carson.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Keen Wallace. You're saying all the wrong names? What the hell? You gave his last name from his brother's first name? Yeah, that's hilarious. Keene Wallace is of the world. Keen Wallace. I text you the other day and I was like, who the fuck is Keene Wallace?
Starting point is 00:36:48 And you were like, that's Kaysen Wallace's brother. I was like, oh shit, I forgot. He got a brother? Shout out to him. I was watching Random Hocs game and I was like, who is this guy getting so many minutes? Yeah, he's good. But yeah. He's fine, I guess.
Starting point is 00:36:59 We've been running guys like him. King Wallace Zachary Rishisei starting for us it's been rough it's been rough but we've seemingly found way to go through all this turmoil
Starting point is 00:37:14 and find ourselves in a four and five record we just defeated Donovan's New York Knicks I love that for us but there's no issues and of course the main issue is like you know we absolutely suck when it comes to Triung being off of the court he has to do every single living thing for us offense
Starting point is 00:37:30 just a couple nights ago. I'm so happy no one talks about this, but we went up against the Boston Celtics and he scored two points. Blitzed his ass every single time. Every time he would get blessed by two big ass six eight, six seven dudes and he wouldn't know what to do. Pass it over to Jalen Johnson. Of course, Jalen Johnson in this position of his career hasn't fully developed as a great second option just yet. He just got thrown onto the scene and he just passed it back. I don't know what to do. Tray Young did his best Julian Newman impression that he does once in a while. Just tucked it up, airballed. And we got spankton. We scored 93 points in the big year of 2024. It's going to be 2025. We need another creator. All right? And also we need our guys
Starting point is 00:38:11 to be healthy because we are putured when it comes to our death so far. Yeah, this team lives and dies by Bogdanovich, which is crazy. I was pretty high on them because I see the formula of Trey in length. And I just underestimated the importance of that second ball handler with Bogged on or could be somebody else so they made a move. They have so little depth of that position because they have so many wings and bigs in their lineup that they absolutely need
Starting point is 00:38:33 Boggdon to be healthy or the offense just can't function. Yeah, exactly. But shout out to the Knicks for giving Jaylon Johnson a get right game. He went berserk against him. He's been going berserk over the last six games. He big tripping. Oh my God, he's been putting up in numbers.
Starting point is 00:38:44 He's been crazy. I think he's like top 20 in the NBA and rebounds in general was probably grabbing like 12, 11 a game. Yeah, he's been insane as a light and he's clearly figured it out. I'm happy for him. But another issue that I have found with this Hawks team is also
Starting point is 00:38:57 surprise surprise they're still trash at defense especially whenever you lose a lot of your big wings or whatever early in the season that's just what happens and I think I believe they give up about the second most threes in the entire NBA or maybe the first they're absolutely atrocious
Starting point is 00:39:13 and this is the complete opposite I believe from what happened last year last year they're a team who played a lot in the passing lanes and they got a ton of deflections that was like an inflection point that was the main emphasis for Quincy Snyder. And it's a complete opposite this year. He's like, okay, how about we don't let anybody get to the rim. And we're one of the better teams when it comes to protecting
Starting point is 00:39:34 the paint. But that comes to the sacrifice for this team that is kind of strapped when it comes to defensive talent. Dyson, he's amazing, but he can only do so much for this team. Jam Johnson, great defender, can only do so much for this team. And that concludes our Atlanta Hawks talk, hitting over to Sharp 4-minute timer. Sharp 4-4-10. That's hilarious. Get out of here. Next thing we're talking about is the Denver Nuggets. So what is the one problem that Denver Nuggets have? I sure wonder what it is.
Starting point is 00:40:04 If only there was somebody that could understand the flaws of this lineup. It couldn't be me. Any ideas? Should be calling some help? I don't know. Donovan, any ideas? Um, listen. You know,
Starting point is 00:40:18 where can you start everything? Play the hits. Play the hits. Play the hits. Go ahead. Oh, okay. Well, the hit would be they have no fucking bench. Their bench is abysmal
Starting point is 00:40:26 They have the worst depth In the NBA And you know The poor got poor Because Jamal Murray's been out For two games And Aaron Gordon just got hurt He's gonna be out of least two weeks
Starting point is 00:40:35 They just have no good players That it's real simple with him Their biggest problem is they don't have enough good players Now last night I did have a really great win over OKC that I love to see Russell Westberg had the best game I've seen him have in like three years
Starting point is 00:40:46 He had like 29 and Ted He was hooping He went three for four from three He's been really good filling in In for Jamal Murray when he's been out Surprisingly he played great But you know, you lose Aaron Gordon, you lose Jamal Murray when you already had no depth, you got even less depth
Starting point is 00:40:59 and they just don't have no good players. Now we'll say, Christian Brown has looked really good pretty much the whole season. His numbers have been fantastic. And last night, Peyton Watson looked as comfortable as I've seen him in a long time. He had a game-winning block to beat the OKC Thunder and played really well.
Starting point is 00:41:15 And they're empowering these young guys and they have been looking better as of late. And I think it'll be enough to them to be a solid team, still be the fifth seat or whatever may be. but you know long term they're going to have a problem with not having a strong bench all year they're going to have to be like the nicks in the playoffs and have a eight man rotation and they're going to they're going to need to be fully healthy to make a splash and i do think they're going to be able to get by but if they want to win in championship they have to have
Starting point is 00:41:39 perfect health and even then they have to have great performances in the top four guys that make those max contracts yeah man i don't this team really really scares me because yokech has to do like so much everything he has to do everything and in like previous seasons, you'll look up and Yokic will still, he'll have stat lines like he did last night where he has like 23, you know, 18 and 16. You're like, wow, like this is the best player in the world. But it felt, but he was getting those numbers in the flow of the offense and everything was still, you know, becoming relatively easy. He has to force, he has to force the issue every single time because if Yokic is not actively creating, they are not getting anything good. They
Starting point is 00:42:20 are not they're not getting easy buckets they're not getting good looks and i think for them like the the defense over the next two weeks is what's going to be extremely critical because obviously like without errant like they're already not a great defense they're you know the tour is the bottom third of the league in defensive rating when you lose erin gordon obviously that's going to you know put a strain on that and really put a test to that so how how how many games can you survive without and without erin gordon obviously you feel decent because you have yokech and like as he said like you're a young guy so you guys who you guys have been banking on for the last year and some change they're starting to look good but they were down uh they were down heavy
Starting point is 00:43:00 in the in the first half against the thunder and that can easily happen against a lot of other team so i'm i'm kind of worried about them if yokech doesn't have 23 18 and 16 every single night yeah i know he will be because he's going to have to be the MVP this year for them to be a good team and that's what it is and normally that'd be a shitty proposition but when you have Nicole Yokic, who is the man most capable of carrying that load and being the superhero they need, I kind of think he'll just do it. I kind of think he'll just have another MVP caliber season and he's probably the only player in the league right now that I would feel decent about still betting on them to be a solid team. Yeah. How far now with this injury news happening to us
Starting point is 00:43:37 right now, where do you envision the Denver Nuggets being seating wise in like the next month or two? Playing. Like six probably. Well, you said month or too so the word i think they'll be like how far what's the record right now uh they currently are what's up the NBA app i think they're about 500 revolving around air they're currently a seven seed at five and three above them is the sacramento kings the Dallas mavericks and houston rockets golden state warriors okay c and phoenix there'll probably be same seating about that yeah about the same they're like they're like what they're two games over over 500 give me a game over 500 for them and they'll probably be in the seven or eight seed in the next like month or two yeah i think
Starting point is 00:44:21 they'll finish a season at like six or five if they really heat up the second half of the season so i again with yokech they can withstand these injuries and hover around 500 whether erin gordon's there or not it's going to be about the same i think yeah okay okay yeah what's the next team uh let's talk about the new Orleans pelicans gross my their biggest problem is like they don't even know what they have everybody's dead their whole team fell apart right now right now they herb jones tray murphy dejante zion and cj have all missed multiple games this team has like it's brandon ingram shout out to them because now they're like hey if you want to if somebody wants to trade for brandon ingram look at what he's you know able to do this is peak you know
Starting point is 00:45:06 trade candidate building but they have they have nothing they don't know what they don't know what they are they haven't been able to to remain healthy and it's just this this is this This is a season from hell and you look up and they're like in the, you know, they're in the 11th or 12 seat every single night. They can play you close for the first half, but then if you're playing a better team like the Cleveland Cavaliers, over time, you know, over the course of a game, you're just going to lose. You just don't have enough bodies to sustain a solid record in the West where every team is good and every team was sleeping for a second. So yeah, like their big, big thing is they just all. aren't healthy. Shout out on
Starting point is 00:45:48 Williamson. He's been scoring better as of late ever since the last episode where I was like I'm getting really frustrated by his play as his island fan.
Starting point is 00:45:54 It's looking a little bit better. And then he got hurt. But there's just nothing. Yeah. There's just nothing to ascertain from this team right now. They're so injured that I'm not even watching
Starting point is 00:46:02 them over the past week. I'm like, I have so many teams to watch the Pelicans are on my don't watch list because I can learn absolutely nothing from seeing a team without six of their top eight players. Like it's ridiculous how injured they are to the point where
Starting point is 00:46:14 sorry Pelicans fans. I know you might have clicked on this video thinking you'll get some insight I don't have it for you because there's nothing to be learned right now Yo, the rookies looking nice he's messy and I hope and I like what I'm seeing
Starting point is 00:46:23 from Jordan Hawkins cool stuff Shout out of that It's hard to give them any real judgment right now It's hard But you know who I can give judgment to Who?
Starting point is 00:46:33 Tell me about Sacramento Kings Holy shit I'm supposed to come in here Being negative and all that But I'm sorry I can't They have been amazing And always You don't got to be negative
Starting point is 00:46:43 And always You're not obligating me negative Come to my head right now. I have to be negative. I can't lie again. We lie all the time. All right. Fantastic.
Starting point is 00:46:52 I think, I don't know about you guys, but I know me personally, I was lower on them heading into the season with the old DeMargarosa acquisition because I'm just like, you guys are a three-point shooting team. Last season, you didn't have, you weren't really that great on that, on that end of the floor. And now you double down and you're kind of like changing your whole identity. And that's what they did right in front of our eyes. Two years ago when they first hop into the scene and there was one, when the,
Starting point is 00:47:15 the whole like light the beam thing started they were by far away like at that point in time the number one offense in like NBA history they're like making historic runs and leaps and all that by just chucking three chucking three they're basically like the Indiana Pacers of last year same stuff then a year goes by okay everyone has tape on them they know their game and it's time to go ahead and make the next step they don't injuries happen to them and their defense their offense falls off a little bit. Dearen Foskos, their injuries and whatnot. Cool, but their defense rises.
Starting point is 00:47:47 This year, this is the best that their defense has been in a very long time. I believe they're 11th or 12th on that end of the floor. That is absolutely ridiculous, considering they don't have the profile of top tier defenders on their team. Now we could sit here and be like, oh, suiting luck, strength of schedule, on all that. Excuse me. Very, very fair. Why are you laughing, Isaac? None, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:48:10 You're not even to spit some shit. But I'll say, they've been very impressed so far this season. The only thing that I could point to when it comes to this might be an issue long term is that Darren Fox hasn't looked like Darren Fox for almost like the top tier version of DeR Fox for almost a year now. He's shooting like 29% of the three point line. It's looking like when it comes to just like figuring out who's the best player on the team, I can't say that clear enough.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Some nights, it looks like Demontasabonus. Other nights, it looks like DeMartorosen. I think if the team is going to be the best version of the Sacramento Kings, whatever version you think that looks like in your mind, it has to go behind Deerunton Fox because I believe he is the most potent dynamic player here. But they've been figuring out ways to work. I just think that if their best player in my mind, DeNar Fox cannot hone in and figure out ways to either knock down that three-point shot
Starting point is 00:49:08 on a more consistent level, then I don't know how far they can go. But right now, it's all green for them. They're exactly what I thought to be. I picked them to be eight. I thought DeMarre Rosen would come in. Their offense would be really, really hard to guard in the regular season.
Starting point is 00:49:20 And it has been. Sabonis and DeMarl look fantastic. Sabonis is having a great season. Him attacking the room right now has been so good. There was a play in the game last night. I was watching as the Raptors where they hit him, they passed out to him at the three-point line.
Starting point is 00:49:32 He did his little pump-fick in three. Everyone knows he's not going to shoot it, but the Raptors suck, and they closed out hard. And he attacked the close out and got to the rim. And he moved, so fucking fast. I was like,
Starting point is 00:49:41 that's the fastest I've ever seen Demanta Sabone's move. He teleported from the three point line to the rim. I was like, is that John Moran?
Starting point is 00:49:47 That was ridiculous. He looks very spry right now. Attack the room is been fantastic. Damar's being Damar and he's filling in the gaps well. Deeran Fox is playing through a broken hand that's going to be playing through all year. So I don't have hope
Starting point is 00:49:59 that he'll look fantastic compared to a couple years ago, but he'll be fine. I don't buy for a second. Their defense is good. Like you said they're 12th right now. They've played the worst offenses in the world.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Exactly. think their offense is very real. They're currently, what are they in an offensive rating? Fourth, in our predictions episode, I said, I think they're going to be like a top seven offense in the league, but be bad defensively. I think that's exactly what they're going to do. Because defensively, in their last games, they played the Raptors, the Heat, the Raptors, the Hawks, the Jazz, the Trailblazers.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Murder this row of terrible offenses. I mean, the Hawks are top eight on it in, so it's like, shout out to you, but outside of that, it's like, God damn, bro. Yeah. Did they play, it was, I don't, Bogdan's been hurt. So it's not like they, the Hawks scored 115. So I'm sure I don't remember what happened that game. I'm sure Trey didn't play great.
Starting point is 00:50:45 I'm sure it was a good offense to that game. Regardless of the fact, they've been trying to do their job. They've been trying to do their job. Shout out to them on that front. I couldn't wait for this moment. It's as advertised. I couldn't wait for this moment. I was waiting for Isaac, who's wearing the Sacramento King shirt to come on here and
Starting point is 00:51:00 start hating. I need it in. I got it. It's funny because last night when I was watching the Kings, I was like, Sabonis looks so good offensively right now. And I was really looking close. And I was like, damn, his defense still sucks. I was like, this rim defense is still terrible.
Starting point is 00:51:12 RJ Barrett was getting to the rim so easy last night. I was like, damn. Still to modus. But no, his offense is very fun to watch right now. He's having a great season. Yeah, I agree. And that's what this team's going to be. It's going to be an offensive slanted team.
Starting point is 00:51:24 And that's good enough to get the eight seed. Yeah, exactly. Now, as time goes on, will they be able to maintain the 12th, 11th defensive rating that they have? Probably not. But if they can be middle of the pack, which is what they were last year, and their offense is going to elevate and wait that I didn't foresee happening personally they might be higher than they
Starting point is 00:51:43 yeah yeah I mean yeah we'll see what the injury luck is like but they can be as high as six to eight there's a range for everybody and if they keep defending well they can get hired in that range yeah all right it's my turn I think so let's talk about the team playing them and the footage you're looking at right now let's talk about the Lakers
Starting point is 00:51:58 yeah all right what is what is one problem the Lakers have quite a simple one they don't have a lot of good fucking players they don't have a lot of good players They have four good players on this roster That's it And last night They played the Grizzlies
Starting point is 00:52:12 And two of those four good players weren't playing And they are terrible That's the biggest issue Obviously to be more specific They have a terrible defense I mentioned last year I was really frustrated
Starting point is 00:52:22 With Darvinham Because he was coaching a team That was the worst transition defense In the league At a terrible offensive rebounding team JJ Redd came in and was like We're going to crash the offensive boards And we talked about that
Starting point is 00:52:33 In the preseason when he was key kept saying that We're going to crash offensive glass that's because he looked at this team realize there's no way in fuck he can coach a good transition defense because their defenders are horrible and that's a dead mission so he said we're just going to crash the boards I guess
Starting point is 00:52:46 we're going to try and get some strength out of this unit and that has bared itself out their defense is horrible they're currently a bottom two defense in the league still the worst transition defense by far and it's real easy to see why Anthony Davis as amazing as the defensive
Starting point is 00:53:02 big man as he is he's always been a pretty bad transition defender he doesn't get back super intensely. Teams outrun him defensively all the time. So you start there, you're one good defender. That's not his strong suit. LeBron, old as hell. Rui Hachamora, not a good defender.
Starting point is 00:53:17 You know, we're starting to see the poor defensive talent for transition stack up. They look at their backcourt, and that's been the biggest issue. If I'm going to narrow it down to where the lack of talent is heard them the most, their starting backcourt is DeAngler Russell and Austin Reeves. Yep.
Starting point is 00:53:31 We all like Austin Reeves. Very good offensive player. Fine defensive player. fine, but he should be the worst defender in your striking lineup to if you want to be a good team. Having him next to DeAngelo Russell is so unbelievably unathletic that there's no, it's impossible to have a good defensive backcourt specifically in transition with two poor athletes and your one and two spot. You kind of see that happens sometimes with the Mavericks because they know they have Kyrie and Luca who aren't super athletic in terms of like
Starting point is 00:53:58 defensive abilities and sometimes they deal with that issue too. But they're Luca and Kyrie so offensively they're fucking godsend so it doesn't matter Daniel Russell is the opposite of a godsend he is I don't even I'll stop from saying something mean but he's not been good this year offensively or defensively JJ rec actually called him out yesterday in a press conference which is crazy all right already we're not 10 games into the season and and it's one thing to just be like yeah like you know we felt like we felt like we feel like we can get an advantage somewhere else so this is why we went with the lineup we're already getting
Starting point is 00:54:30 effort talks you know like a lot beyond ever he's saying that boy don't pay he's not playing hard like the whole team is not playing touch to detail dude they call he's calling him a dummy basically after he watches he's not trying yeah yeah it felt like it felt like it felt it felt very like parental or like like guidance counselor because he was he was like you know we've been having these issues with de angelo you know we've been talking about this stuff for for weeks it felt like we were in a parent teacher conference and it's it's very very clear you know that he's he's obviously frustrated and the stuff that we've been talking about for two years in terms of d'angelo russell being
Starting point is 00:55:12 being traded or i guess a year now he's he's he's on a block like let's just start let's just start the cycle early right normally we have to wait until you know november 15th uh or when it uh when is it December 15th or january 15th i can't remember either either either one of those days Both. There's, there's, there's, some people get, are tradable on December. Some people tradeable in January. Yeah, I've, I forget. DeAngelo Russell is going to get moved because, he's gone.
Starting point is 00:55:36 Yeah. He's gone as shit. So it was Rui. Rui and DeGle Russell should both get traded. Who the hell's going to want Dilo? I can see value for Rhee, but Dilo? It's contract. It's money.
Starting point is 00:55:44 It's filler. It's filler with the pick. Dilo and a pick. Come on, come on down. Let's run the back. Lake his face. They just, they need a Derek White, Jalen Suggs type of guy. They need an athletic guard who can defend with,
Starting point is 00:55:57 who can still be non-offensive liability. It's like not a market smart. And those guys don't grow on trees. And if they do, they're not available. So it's hard to get one of those guys, but that's precisely what they need. Yeah, if you could, like, if you could insert Jaylen Suggs
Starting point is 00:56:11 into their starting point guard lineup, they'd be great. But Jalen Suggs was the number four pick in the draft. He's a pretty valuable player. You don't just get those guys. Get ready to speak Zach Levine, buddy. I wouldn't hate that. But the money wouldn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:56:24 But, you know, a lot of people on Twitter are starting to be like, you told me J. J. J. Reddick was the godsend. He's looking real Darwin-Hammish right now. And I just need people to realize that this roster also sucks. I like J.J. Reddick a lot. Everything is not offensively is really good. He cannot make this team a great defense. I was optimistic as hell all summer. And where did I put them in our predictions episode? The fucking seven seed. Because I was like, it doesn't matter. I said I think they're going to be a top
Starting point is 00:56:46 eight offense. But their defense is going to suck. And what do you know their defense sucks? And that, you know, same place is the kings. Great offense with a bad defense. You're the seven and you're the eight seed. That's what you get. And it's been no surprise. But it's been even worse, though, because some of the guys that we banked on being decent bench players have been terrible, i.e. Max Christi, who got paid. He is now out of the rotation, seven games of the season. Damn. For Cam Reddish. For Cam Reddish. And some people were like, all he needs is just a chance. Listen, Cam Redis, he gets a minute. He could be a real productive NBA play. See, and Cam Redis sucks, but people were like, you guys got
Starting point is 00:57:21 on Garber Han for playing Cam Reddish. Now, Jada is doing the same thing. The real issue here, is that Rob Plinkin constructed a roster that led to two coaches feeling like their best option was to play Cam Reddish. And that's the real flaw here is that they just have no defensive wings that can do anything.
Starting point is 00:57:36 So these coaches keep going looking at the roster and like, well, I guess I got to try Cam. He'll try hard defensively. He's long. We'll see what happens. It's better than nothing. And that's where we're at.
Starting point is 00:57:46 Yeah, calling out, the main thing from last night is just calling out effort, not even 10 games into the season is scary. And it's crazy. Oh, Gabe Vincent stinks, too. I forgot about him. He's also not very good defensively.
Starting point is 00:57:58 Well, we, listen, I had some hope he'd be a decent defender this year. He was a part of the Black Magic Miami. And so it's like, you know, as soon as, as soon as you get him out of that system, for a lot of guys who play in Miami, as soon as they leave there, they're not going to be as good. They don't have, you know, voodoo over them. So it's, yeah, it's tough. The Lakers are who we thought they were. They're going to be a good offense when AD's there.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Wasn't there last night. Office wasn't good either. Showtime. defense is going to be bad unless they make a big move and get rid of those first round picks tough scene for lakers fans right now tough scene but it's not even that tough they just are who we thought they are well i guess some lakers fans got their hopes up after three no start i was you know cautiously happy about it but they just they're still the lakers whether or not they have whoever whoever's the coach they're not going to be a good defensive team true tough scene man
Starting point is 00:58:47 i believe it who's the next team who is it all right i believe it's on me we can keep this kind of short. Let's get the Portland Troy Blazers the fuck up out of here. This team is trashed. They don't put in no effort when it comes to nothing. This team is dead last when it comes to box out. This team is dead last when it comes to deflections per game. When it comes to
Starting point is 00:59:06 just random stats like that, it tells you everything that you need to know. Their biggest off-season... We knew that, though. We knew that. Yeah, exactly. Their biggest off-season acquisition was Denny of Dia. He's been absolutely terrible. I was going to say the same thing. I don't want to say that he was supposed to be their savior or whatever, but I
Starting point is 00:59:22 Lee, I came in here saying, like, yo, he's a good player. He should be a building walk. Yeah. Denny would be your savior. Good luck. Good God, I'm praying for you. But, yeah, this team is just overall in hell. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:35 This team is overall in hell. Welcome. Shout to the Wizards, bro. The hate watch is going well for Denny. Yeah, listen, they weren't expected to be good, so it's not exactly a big problem that they're bad. But the biggest problem is Denny has not been anywhere close to what you'd want from him. He's shooting in 19. percent from three. He has a 33% effective filial percentage. He has been a brick layer and that's
Starting point is 00:59:59 not great. And from a team that all you want to see from this team is individual player development and having some promising signs for a young rebuilding team. Not a great sign. Yeah, exactly. It's not like anyone was expecting like any real like production from this team overall. We just wanted to look at guys and be like, yeah, you can stick around for the future. Yeah, you can stick around for the future as well. And Denny of Vial was supposed to be like one of the more surefire consistent guys on this team, someone who's carved out a role for the Washington Wizards over the last few years and was actually super productive. And yeah, whatever.
Starting point is 01:00:29 That doesn't help alongside with Scott Henderson having his normal struggles too. Yeah, it's a tough scene over there. Very tough scene. Yon, Yon, Yon. What's the next team, Donovan? We are going to talk about the Toronto Raptors. And for them, you just haven't been able to, you haven't been able to see your young core. Like, RJ has been playing well, but Emmanuel quickly has played 14 minutes this year.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Scotty Barnes has been hurt for a long time and for those two guys especially for quickly who you paid this off season you need to be able to have some hope you know get them reps together because after like we saw quickly take a little bit of a leap but it was still very clear that he needed time adjusting to being the league guard and now he's not getting time to you know to to do exactly that and so that part is is tough the defense also sucks and they you know they're getting leaped from guys. getting leads from RJ Barrett, they're getting leaves from Grady Dig, but still, they can't guard anybody. So they're not healthy, they're not whole. And from a young team, like, you want them to at least, you know, try hard. They're never going to be, like, the best defense in the league, but they are like 29th and half-court defense. And that is, that's crazy. Yeah, it's like the same thing as you said with the Pelicans, that your biggest problem is you just injured. Sometimes, you know, you don't want to say something that simple, but, you know, sometimes it's that simple. It is what it is. They just don't have their best.
Starting point is 01:01:51 players. Yeah, and there's a couple, there's a couple teams on, on this list for me and for you guys where everybody's just hurt. Like I, we've only, throw them out there. What are the ones you have where people are just hurt? Let's throw all the injury teams that your simple issue is injuries. Who else is it? Okay, actually, no, I think I'm good actually. The Celtics. I have the Celtics. I have the Celtics. The Celtics, your only issue is Jalen Brown is injured and started slow and you don't have KP. So right now you're dipping deep into your reserves and you're just not as dominant as you could be because you don't have your best players. Other than that
Starting point is 01:02:23 you have no issue. Do no issue, Celtics? Let's get them out of the way. The Orlando Magic, we're absolutely cooking when their best player was on there. Now their best player is not simply not on their team right now. Pauld McHara is getting off to a slow start. Jalen Suggles. He did a good game last night. Yeah, he's starting to find his footing. The last two games, I believe he's put up like 22 and 29,
Starting point is 01:02:41 starting to find his footing. But everyone else needs to step up overall. Health. Same thing can apply for the Philadelphia of his 76ers. Absolute hell. Donovan just told us that Tyrese Max is going to be out for a few weeks. Joe Embed, who knows he's going to come back, health issues. And then also on top of that, too, suspension for the next three games that he's supposed to come back. It's tough scene over there, too.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Can't about await these. Raptors, Celtics, Magic 76ers, lightning round, you all need to get out of the medical tent. That's all you have to watch for right now. Until then, we can't learn much about your team because you're losing such key players that what we can ascertain is irrelevant. I don't care what I see from Eric Gordon. Andre Drummond and Kyle Lurie right now. Irrelevant.
Starting point is 01:03:22 So I'm not even going to pretend to have an opinion on what the 76ers bench mob looks like started. Carl Lurie's playing very inspiring basketball to me. He needs to be in a Wyoming chain league. Hang it up. Oh my God. Let's talk about the Dallas Mavericks.
Starting point is 01:03:39 They also have a fairly simple issue right now. Luca don't should start in the season slow. That's really all that comes down to is which happens from time the time. It is normal. Exactly. The Luca experience is continuing. to happen. I don't, I feel like this has happened four times in his six years where he comes
Starting point is 01:03:53 out and just isn't in a good rhythm. A lot of times people blame it on him playing himself into shape. I don't know if it's initially shaped him this year. It's just not a good rhythm right now. He's currently shooting the most mid-range shots of his career because he's not getting to the rim as well. And he's not shooting well in those mid-range shots either. He is currently has by far the worst effective full-go percentage of his entire career. And the Mavericks' offense is paying the price for it. They currently have a good defense. Their seventh in defensive rating. But offensively, they're only, I didn't write down. But they were like 19th or something,
Starting point is 01:04:20 which is obviously not what you expect from the Dallas Mavericks and their high potent offense. And it's not surprising. They are currently 18th and 3-point volume. And third, in mid-range volume because, you know, Luca has such a large offensive load
Starting point is 01:04:34 that his shot distribution heavily impacted shot distribution of the entire team. It's, you know, you live and die by Luca Donchich, and normally you live real good, you have a great life living off of his offense. But when he struggled like this,
Starting point is 01:04:45 it's kind of a slog. Now that you're talking about Luca, Just I guess it's fair. Unless you have something to say about them, Donovan. No, no, I'm good. Let's double back. Stay in Texas right now. I think we're starting to figure out that Victor Wambayama might also be one of those guys who just gets to a very slow start.
Starting point is 01:05:03 I can sit here and talk about, oh, they're missing on on Devon Vassel and all that. And oh, like, they don't have their head coach right now, Paris for Pops and all that. But simple as that, like, as simple as this, Victor Wombayama is getting off to a very, very slow start. Hasn't been good. The only good thing that you say about him right now is, yeah, he's blocking shots and hit his frito's good stuff. But so far as 7-4-4-4-4-4-4-2% from the field, shot selection isn't where we would love it for it to be at at this point in time. And I just think it's like a rhythm thing for him at this point. They just suck. And as long as he sucks, they will suck. It's, I mean, yeah, sure, it's some rhythm, but it's also the three-point shooting thing is a, like a tangible difference of strategy compared to last year. you know people very upset about it yeah yeah last year 30% of his shots came from three this year it's
Starting point is 01:05:51 41% I didn't look but it's clearly I don't know the numbers on this but it's clearly a lot more off the dribble 3s than last year because he sucks to catch a two threes he's much better off the dribble and I guess this is a development thing for him that they're trying to focus on him really nailing that off the dribble 3 and developing that into being a lethal shot and building from there opposed to some you know people want to see a big guy built from the inside out they're doing the opposite with him since he's such a unique player and that's clearly the coaching goal and it's not going well he's shooting terribly on these and it's impacting the rest of his game you know if you shoot 10% more threes the shot's got to come from somewhere he's not getting to the rim quite as much off the dribble he's still shooting
Starting point is 01:06:26 about the same amount of shots at the rim overall but it's no not the shots he creates for himself and you want to see that be developed still so I'm not mad that he's cutting out mid-range shots for threes but you got to find the balance because right now they're not falling and at a certain point you're you know you're losing development time in other parts of your game now something it will say is that they are the 10th best defense in the NBA massive improvement compared to last year and we are witnessing them starting to come into one and develop which is good sign good sign good sign good sign bare minimum yeah and uh there's also an interesting thing that teams have been doing i saw zach low a tweet about this that i started watching for after he said that teams are just
Starting point is 01:07:09 straight up putting their wings on him every time and making him beat them down low because they know he doesn't want to. So like in this play we're watching these clips, Dylan Brooks is starting on him because they know they can put their bigs on somebody like Sohan or in this game, it's not so on because he wasn't there. He's injured right now. But they're putting their bigs on somebody else. That's not a shooting threat. And just saying like, all right, so either you're going to hit corner threes with the big man sagging off you or Wembe is going to have to abuse his big wing. I don't think you want to do either those things. And that's been working really well. That's a big reason why Wemby hasn't looked quite as good because teams are kind of
Starting point is 01:07:39 moving towards that. And that's easy to do whenever they don't have any guards on the team that can get to the rim right now. When no Devin Vassell and Chris Paul was shooting real well
Starting point is 01:07:47 but he's not exactly a shot creator under the rim anymore. So if you're not forcing the defense to go into rotation and really force those big men to be on victory women yama or else he'll get the dump off pass
Starting point is 01:07:56 that's going to work every time. You can put a small on him and it'll be fine. Devin Vassel, please come back. That's going to help a very long-witted way to say Devin Vassel, we need you bad. Yeah, Bissell or Castle, you know, take more of a load and take a leap, attack in the room, whatever may be,
Starting point is 01:08:14 they need slasters to work and force teams to help off of Wembe. Yeah. All right. Next team, we're going to say in Texas, do the whole Texas sweep. Other team, we're talking about the Houston Rockets. And their problem is that, I'm in Thompson. Hey, what the hell? This happened again.
Starting point is 01:08:32 I just got a Sean's tweet. As we're talking about Vassel, he just tweeted, San Antonio Spurs Guard, Devin Vassel's season debut is imminent. reporting on NBA today. I guess he's saying he's playing in the next game. Yeah. Two episodes in a row. Bro, two episodes in a row.
Starting point is 01:08:45 I'm talking about a player and the fucking Shamsweet happens at the same time. Last time it was Palo Van Caro Ben Caro when he got hurt. That's crazy. Noticing. Put the word out.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Noticing. We're back up. We're back up. Okay, what's the problem with the Rockets? That there's no way that they can play a men, Thompson 48 minutes a night because he's so good.
Starting point is 01:09:06 He is so good. He still can't shoot. but I don't care. I want a men Thompson out on the floor. And I think, like, you are seeing some of the issues where they have a lot of guys. And you're still, like, trying to figure out, you know, exactly who you're, like, precise, precise rotations are. A lot of the rookies in this class haven't looked great.
Starting point is 01:09:26 Reed Shepard hasn't looked amazing. But I don't think that that's, like, the main problem. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't, it's not like the main issue. Fred Van Blee started off super, super slow. But the last two games, he's been. He's been good, which is, you know, if he, if he's breaking out of that slump, cool.
Starting point is 01:09:43 Like, that's, that's what you, that's what you want to see. But I, I just want them to play to play them in Thompson more. That's, that's really it. Yeah. I wonder if, I wonder when we're going to see that consolidation trade. Because at some point they got to do it. They have, they have like an eight man young core right now. They can't pay them all.
Starting point is 01:10:02 Well, I guess if they eventually move off of Dylan Brooks or Van Vlee or whatever, I guess they theoretically could, but they probably won't. I just, I, I, we talked about it for the past two years. Like, I wonder what it looks like when they finally move the chips in for somebody. And I guess I say that because it seems like a man should be a guy that's prioritizing that move. So you want to get somebody that fits with him long term. So it has to be a good shooter. So it's going to be interesting to monitor them over the next season and a half.
Starting point is 01:10:26 Cam Whitmore, I have very, very sad news for you. It's not sad. He'll be happy. He'll be very, very happy to go somewhere where they value him. Seeing him get DMPs is insane. But also it's understandable. It's like, bro, I'd rather play a man. I'd rather play Tori East and Norber guys like him at the same time.
Starting point is 01:10:44 I also fear he might not be good. Can I fear that we get excited. I fear we get excited by this big Dunkin's Squore guy, but he actually doesn't do anything else. I'm really hoping. But he needs time to develop. Yeah, exactly. He's not good at anything else right now,
Starting point is 01:10:57 but he's barely played. So like he needs to go somewhere to see if he can develop into that. Yeah. But I understand why he's the odd man out. I need him to be Utah jazz so bad. Same man. I've been talking about that for a year. I need to, I need to,
Starting point is 01:11:08 see him prove that he can be a good player right now he's not given a chance yeah exactly exactly speaking of the utah jazz i guess they're my next team ass everything is bad the only winless team in the entire NBA larry's not there so there's literally nothing that you can expect no they got one bro when did i was i was looking at the standings the other day they got one oh they did get one yeah who they beat i forgot i forgot who they beat oh look what were you going to say well completely trashed now something i will say oh they beat the bulls oh tragic fair who will come down to earth very hard after those very exciting things tragic fair going
Starting point is 01:11:47 out right now but um shout to kiante george he's been developing really well shout out to um walker kester as well do he seems like he's having a bounce back season but overall he can't really grasp too much from from this team when their best player is out at all it's just hard John Collins is cool, too, I guess. Okay, so no problem for the jazz other than they suck. Yep. Lovely talk, jazz fans. Not much to say right now.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Okay, let's go back to my list and go to another team that's worth talking about, because I have them all. The Minnesota Timberwolves. Womp, Womp, Womp. The Minnesota Timberwell's biggest problem right now is very, very similar to the New York. Nick's problem mentioned earlier, where they look exactly like what you'd expect when you insert Carl Hittowns into a team. We talk about the fact that the rim defense is terrible and it's, you know, hard to adapt to how Cat wants to play with Brunson because, you know, you didn't have a lot of time beforehand, so you're feeling his weaknesses and feeling the lack of continuity.
Starting point is 01:12:47 Same thing with the different wolves. Julius Randall has been playing very good individual basketball. He's been putting up numbers. Especially offensively. Yeah, it's working decently offensively. It's not really an issue. Anthony Edwards' three-point shot has been huge volume-wise to make up for the fact that he's to play offball more. And everything is well there for the most part.
Starting point is 01:13:04 No real issues there. You mentioned before the season that his playmaking would be really important on generating more threes for them. I think it's safe to say that's been the case, right? You don't really have an issue there.
Starting point is 01:13:13 Absolutely. Defensively, this team is exactly as expected when you replace Carlton Towns his size of the four with Julius Randall and his average at best defensive impact.
Starting point is 01:13:23 And I think average is me being generous because I like the guy. 30% of opponent shots are currently coming at the rim. That is a massive amount. Almost a third of the half-court plays you're getting to the rim
Starting point is 01:13:34 that is a offense's dream. It is so easy right now for everybody to get the room when they want because the guards on this team have not been super great defensively they have a lot of smallish guards, not a lot of stoppers
Starting point is 01:13:44 there on ball fighting over screens and they don't have the Twin Towers back there anymore to really scare teams away Julius Randall's kind of food. Look at this play just happened right here. Sometimes, yeah,
Starting point is 01:13:54 he gets blown by by the mellow ball and it's an easy floater over Rudy Gaubert because he can't do everything. This is happening a lot. You're seeing that lack of size down there and you're seeing Julius Randall not be super effective back there.
Starting point is 01:14:04 and offensively maybe makes them less predictable and it'll be good in the playoffs but it's making their superpower no longer a superpower because they're not a top defense anymore and that's why they were great last year and this is exactly what I said when this trade happened
Starting point is 01:14:17 and I was low on it for them maybe it'll work long term with the salaries and all the business reasons you had to do it but you made your team worse in a very easily identifiable way that is weirded its head exactly as expected
Starting point is 01:14:28 yeah exactly trade they have a 92 defense They have a 92 defensive rating with Gobert on the court and Julius Randall off. So they're still amazing defensively whenever it's Gobert plus Daniels of the four
Starting point is 01:14:41 or Gobert plus Nasreed. They have a 78 half court defensive rating in that setting with just Gobert, no, Randall. So it's pretty clear that Randall's making their defense not great. It's you. It's your fault.
Starting point is 01:14:52 It's the team. It's the team. Like, listen, he's an offensive player and he's doing his job there. So it's no slight to him. He's playing his role and he's being the player he was traded to be as expected.
Starting point is 01:15:01 It's just not a good roster construction move in terms of prioritizing defense. Yeah, they lost their superpower and this is what made them special. No one is over here talking about the Minnesota Timberos on a Rudy Gobert defensive led team like being insane on offense. That's just
Starting point is 01:15:16 not a sentence that no one would spew out of their mouth. I love seeing the offense take steps, of course, but at the end of the day, it will never be as point when you have someone who's just like a loaf of cake just sitting there being used to a little just doing nothing, bro. He just does nothing offensive.
Starting point is 01:15:32 other than just catch lobs here and there. And I picked them before because I had faith that they would figure it out and, you know, you have Gobert. I thought they'd still be a good top 10 defense. Yeah. Four was too high. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:46 I talked a lot about the suns and want to put them higher. I shouldn't put the suns higher. Something that I really, really appreciated about Caron Anthony Towns' time with the Minnesota Timberals is his effort to just continuously do whatever it takes and just figure it out on the defensive end. And that was perfectly suited for him, of course.
Starting point is 01:16:02 Julius Randall is the completely opposite person when it comes to the defensive end. We see him give up, not so much effort. And when you, when someone like me thinks like, yeah, he should be like better when it comes to the guardian perimeter guys because he's more agile, naturally and all that. He just doesn't try. Yeah, he just doesn't try. He doesn't suck for any like natural reasons. He's perfectly fine, healthy bones and all that stuff.
Starting point is 01:16:25 Just don't try. He gets his money because he takes tough shots and makes tough shots and his contract. And it is contract year, Julius Randolph. So he is going to do what he does best and put all of his focus into that. And so, again, in a vacuum, it makes sense. But for a team that made the Western Conference finals, now probably wasn't the time to blow up your championship window or to, you know, try and alter it. I understand, right?
Starting point is 01:16:53 We've heard that, you know, maybe your new owners are some broke boys and you don't want to be stuck with the, you don't want to be stuck with the bill to two, two, two, three years from now so you had to make the move but basketball wise it's not it's not the best thing yeah exactly and again the whole point of this move was to change the style of play they had right they knew they weren't going to be as good defensively they probably hoped to be better than this and hope to you know keep some of that identity with gobert but the goal is that offensively your next level and you can be more of a balanced team and be like eighth and both maybe yeah first in defense and 19th in offense so given time it's like the next thing where they need more time to
Starting point is 01:17:32 adapt, give Chris Finch more than seven games and three weeks of practice to figure out the Julius Randall thing. So it's not necessarily a soundly alarms. This team is cooked. I'm not pessimistic on them long term by any means. But it's looking like we're going to have to wait until the second half of the season and maybe next season to see the best version of this trio of Gobert, Randall, and Anthony Edwards. said, if that even exists, I don't know if, I don't know if Julius Randall is like the NLB offer this team. I honestly feel like they feel comfortable, just like taking a year back, watching everyone go to war in the Western Conference, save their buck so they can fully commit to the nods, reads of the world or whatever it might be,
Starting point is 01:18:05 developer Rob Dillingham, be okay with kind of throwing in, throwing away this is because Anthony Edwards is youngest shit, Rudy Gobert's game isn't predicated on a ridiculous amount of athleticism. So it seems like when it comes to what they want to do, realign themselves being real, like, yeah, we can't win with these two, Kat and Rodrigo bear being the front of our team. It seems okay. But I agree with you. They're going to be okay overall.
Starting point is 01:18:28 As long as least their defense isn't like 20th or 25th. Then I would be ringing the fucking bells. It's actually up to 12th now. So it's better than it was when I checked a couple days ago making this list. They were like 19th. They're 12th now, which clearly, you know, it's a seven-game sample size of the season. I looked at this, I made this part of the list when it was five games. So they've already hopped up a few spots.
Starting point is 01:18:46 So maybe it's a good momentum. I know by the time this episode is out for a few days, maybe they'd be up to like ninth. So again, everything's a small sample size. They very well could continue to climb. But right now it's worth noticing that it's being a little slower than expected. Noticing. Yeah, noticing. just cautiously paying attention exactly you know wrong with that you know what's the next team
Starting point is 01:19:06 all right so i have i have the same problem but for two different things i have for the chicago bulls and for lamella ball and that's the fact that they need to get into the gym and start doing mike and drills start shooting over over over some brooms because they can't make layups they are not good at the they like the so the hornets and the bulls they both suck in layups lamello specifically Lamello's never been a great, he's never been a great finisher at the rim. And when you started talking about like franchise changing offensive players, that's kind of a pre, you know, a prerequisite. You need to be able to have that, especially as somebody who's going to have the ball in
Starting point is 01:19:46 his hands a lot. And you just haven't seen the growth there that you wanted to see in Lamello. And so that's an issue for him. And then for the Bulls, they've changed up their entire style of offense. But last year, they weren't good at the rim, and then they're also still not good at the room this year. So you can do the right things, and, you know, when you know that you don't have a lot of talent,
Starting point is 01:20:10 you say, okay, we're going to do the easy things. We're going to run and we're going to shoot threes. But you still got to, you know, you have to supplement that with some other things. And, you know, knocking down shots at the rim is going to have to be with that. And they're both, you know, the Bulls and Lamello. They're both really bad at that. So they both have to get there.
Starting point is 01:20:27 Yeah, it's not even just Lamello. Brandon Miller is young He's not the best room finisher yet Numbers wise And Miles Bridges sucks bro Miles Bridges has been terrible at the rim too Listen I don't He's a piece of shit
Starting point is 01:20:39 And he sucks at basketball They need to stop employing him Yeah I don't even I don't even worry about about him It's really it's really for like Lemello just because you know That he has the keys to the franchise And like we always say
Starting point is 01:20:52 Okay if Lamelo is going to be there And he's healthy They have the chance to you know To make the playoffs But eventually, whenever Brandon Miller starts to develop as well, you're going to have this pairing of Lamello and Brandon. How far can you guys go? How high is the ceiling? And I feel like for Lamello, there's only so high that he can go, especially if you're not a good defender and you're not good at the rim.
Starting point is 01:21:15 And so those two things are kind of, I guess, on alert for me when I think about, you know, projecting what the Hornets can be moving forward. Yeah. Yeah. For his whole career, getting better at the rim is Lamello's main thing. so it makes a little sense. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree.
Starting point is 01:21:30 Shout out to train man though. Shout out, train man. Restoring the feet. What's your next year? Okay, so my next team are the Miami Heat. I thought I had the heat. No, I had the heat. Really?
Starting point is 01:21:43 What the heck? Do we all have the heat? I swear. See, Ted GBT messed up. I told, no, actually, Donovan had the, Donovan had the, Donovan. Yeah, I don't have them. But we get, but we get, we can talk about them. Let's start off from them.
Starting point is 01:21:54 What it was is I was watching him last night and I was taking notes because I was like, I hate this team. but go ahead listen one bam has gotten he's played awful to start to try i thought i thought about the heat no it doesn't matter let's all app about it bam is trash garbage all of all of us have the miami heat let's just start there yeah and we are all watching the same thing let's jump their ass right now and we're watching bam suck and we're watching jimmy butler suck oh no let me get this her right now terror is here sucks terry who's my biggest issue yeah let's talk about it dude i saw a tweet uh i forgot who it was. I think it was NBA University, tweeted out the teams that have, the players that have
Starting point is 01:22:28 the highest difficulty shot diet. Bam is number seven right now. He is taking the hardest shots ever. It's strictly difficult mid-range shots. His shot diet is horrible. He looks like shit and it's by his own doing. They need to fix the way he's getting to his shots so bad because Bam is not bad. Bam is their best player at this point. Yeah, yes. Whether it's his goal of trying to make these tough middies or the team's not manufacturing good looks for him, I don't even know right now, but it's not looking good. No, it's not. But if you look at, so if you look at Jimmy Buller stats for this season, he's shooting,
Starting point is 01:23:00 he's shooting his worst, uh, he's shooting his worst field goal percentage from the field in like six years. He's shooting 17% from three this season, which is obviously like, you know, awful. Bam, who's taking more threes than he ever has. He's doing the thing that we've been saying. We've been asking for like the last three years, like, bam, can you please expand your game? Bam, can you please go closer to the basket? I don't want you taking these three anymore
Starting point is 01:23:27 because you are not knocking them down. So far this season, from three, Bam is shooting 20%. Get closer. Get closer. And so like for them two, who are obviously one and two in terms of your best players, they're not great.
Starting point is 01:23:44 And then the Terry Rozier experiment, which we all were super, super high on whenever they first got them, we're like, oh, it's going to be, you know, finally their offense is going to get, You know, some more juice, another punch. You're upgrading from Kyle Lowry to Terry Rozier. That's awesome. Hey, man.
Starting point is 01:23:59 It's still a bad experiment. And they are somehow mid on all fronts. They are like, I think that when I checked, the net rating was like 0.6. And they're just. What do you think the net rating of the striking lineup is? It has to be. It's probably like minus 2.3. Any guests on them?
Starting point is 01:24:18 Any guess, Moe? I'm going to say minus 2.5. you guys are only off by about minus 13 points it's minus 15.3 the worst lineup in the NBA no you're lying they have a 103 offensive rating oh my god 18 defensive rating that is 2nd2 type basketball right there is next level garbage offensive rating of 103 171 minutes played is their most used lineup 103 offensive rating that's atrocious and dude Coming to the season, like you said, Donovan, I was so excited when they got Rozier.
Starting point is 01:24:56 I've been a big Rozier family who's on the Hornets. I thought it would work. He looks terrible defensively. Him and Hero are too small to work. It's like what I mentioned with Dilo and Austin Rees. Exactly. Yeah, you need some athleticism in your back court. And it's just terrible.
Starting point is 01:25:12 And offensively, it's been even worse. It's truly atrocious. Over half of Terry Rozier shots are coming from three right now. He's just a spot of a shooter, essentially, running off the screens, which is cool, I guess. but it takes away the juice he brings with the ball in his hands so he's not super impactful he's like kCP but but no defense he's just there to run around screens and shoot threes that is duncan robinson minus six inches of height though exactly and minus like seven percent
Starting point is 01:25:37 from three yeah it's not it's not good and don't let right going into last night's game they were three and three don't let that fool you they were getting wins against stinkers they're not They're not out here beating, like, the top, top competition in the, in the league. And we've, we've, we've been projecting this. Nobody has wanted to actually say it because of the run that they had in 2022. But we're like, okay, there's only so much that, oh, we'll, you know, we'll turn it on whenever it counts, you know, and then, but I've seen you play 164 games over the last two seasons and you keep ending up as the eighth seed or the nine seed.
Starting point is 01:26:17 clearly something is not going right in the you know in the regular season and if jimmy butler is going to turn into michael jordan that's fine those days are long gone he's not he's not doing it and it's taking him a while and until he gets back on track if he gets there and until bam gets gets on track they're not going to be any type of like for real for real competent they might still be high though because again the east like sucks right now and they like i can see them sneaking into like the four seed or the five seed you think i can get a 10 day the east the east is yeah everyone's hurt everyone's hurt you're right i don't know before the season started the most amount of hate we got in the comments with some warriors fans from heat fans
Starting point is 01:27:01 warriors fans you guys were right you won the war heat fans we were exactly right this team is precisely who we thought they were they're not good and yeah hopefully they can stay healthy and find the way to get a fucking fake ass six seed but i'm not excited for this team in a playoff setting at all. Just fire up the trade rumors. You know, as soon as, as soon as, you know, the honest trade rumors start rolling around, everyone's going to be like, oh, is he going to Miami? Let's talk about the thunder. It's the next team. You have them? God damn, me got all the good team, bro. This is terrible. Oh, no, you do. Okay, another team I took notes on, but it didn't have. Okay, either way, it's tough of the thunder.
Starting point is 01:27:35 He does do it. Dude, their offense sucks. Their offense is not good right now. Yeah. There's a best defense in the NBA by a wide margin. They're absolutely dominant. Their offense has been terrible. Straight up. It's been like 20th in the league. They're 26th in offensive rebounding again. You know, they don't have Hartnstein, so they're once again a small team. They don't have Jay Will either. So it's just Chet and no other bigs.
Starting point is 01:27:55 That's not surprising. They're last in the NBA at free throw rate. They are not getting to the rim at all. Shea has been jacking up threes and has eliminated his mid-range game, which is a lot of fans frustrated. And J-Dub had a great game yesterday, but before yesterday, J-Dub was struggling to get to the rim. He was shooting the most short mid-range shots in the league
Starting point is 01:28:14 because he could not get to the rim all the way, was hitting these difficult floaters that he wasn't hitting he was just taking a lot of difficult floaters and his three-point shot hasn't been as insane as it was last year yeah and it's just been rough man their offense has not been pretty the whole team can't shoot from three like last year after last year they were here unstoppable from three yeah they were they were like top three or top top one depending on like you know what site you're you're looking at like they were one of the best three-point shooting teams in the league and then right now they are near like the bottom third and they they can't they can't hit anything Alex
Starting point is 01:28:45 Russo can't, he can't hit the side of a bar. He can't see anything. And I was, I forget the, like the exact numbers, but like right now, like their offense was, was better with Josh Giddy on the floor than, then, then, then it is right right now. And it's like, I, the three point shooting, I'm not, it's a problem. I'm not too concerned with it. I'm sure it's going to, just bad luck. Yeah. It's going to, you know, it's going to get, get back to normal. But something I'm going to say. When you talk about a team that somehow, only has one lost to spite all this. That should let you know, like, how dangerous they are.
Starting point is 01:29:20 Facts. Yeah, they got to make sure that this is, that this gets fixed. They're fine. Something I will say, though, is that I'm interested in seeing how someone like Chet Hongrum who came out the season blasted and blazing guns and shit, he was looking Nicole Yolkich in the eyes and was looking like a top four center in the NBA. And since then, like, he's for rest a little bit. I believe he put up like nine points the other day, 12, 15, 15 or whatever.
Starting point is 01:29:45 And, of course, like, the entire team, three-point shot isn't going down, especially Chath Hongram's, wasn't either. And they were able to survive. I say survive. Again, they only have one loss in the season so far. They're able to be elite with Chet Hongram being clear and cut, like, the second best player on that team. And now that he's kind of regressed a little bit of a reverted to the meme, I said mean,
Starting point is 01:30:07 mean, it's interesting to see between those two J-Dab or Chet, who will, you know, officially or actually be the most consistent second option on that team. Because right now, like, with Shane and his game evolved. It's not close. Then, I mean, you say it's not close now, but also at the same time, too, like, seeing him with these last few games is like,
Starting point is 01:30:29 it's kind of in the air for me. I won't say it's not close to options. So you're talking offensive option. Offensive option. Offensive. Yeah. I think you said best player. I was like, it's fucking chat. I mean, it's DPOI right. But yeah, offensively, you're right. And the problem is it has to be J-dub. It needs to be. Like, last night he played his best game, and they
Starting point is 01:30:44 lost to the Nuggets, which I don't think it was a terrible Thunder loss. The Nuggets played out of their mind. They had a great game, so it's fine. J-dub needs to contain that the hot street going. Because you mentioned that they were better last year with Josh Giddy. And I saw some stupid Thunder fans were like, I told you Giddy wasn't the problem.
Starting point is 01:31:00 That shit ain't got shit to do with Josh Giddy. Like you said, the whole roster is shooting much worse from three. That's going to come around. Shea is going through a purposeful transformation in this game that has taken some time to get right. Thunder fans are very upset about it. We fine long term, but he needs to figure out the rhythm of this clear emphasis he has on off the triple threes instead
Starting point is 01:31:19 of mid-range shots. And it really comes down to J-Dub. Last year, they were dominant still, not dominant, but they were still good in the minutes where Shea and Chet were off the floor and J-Dub was leading bench units. Because J-Dub had like the most prolific shot-making season I've seen from a young player. He shot 44% from 3 and like 49% from mid-range. It was ridiculous. That hasn't been the case this year. The simple answer, if we're really boiling out the one thing is jad up hasn't been good at shooting this year that's the number one difference i love and i i think he'll be fine i think he'll be fine i think it'll be fine i think it'll normalize right like we saw it last night as soon as he gets back to being a ridiculous shooter and can lead
Starting point is 01:31:56 these bench units and provide the three-point shooting they're gonna get back to being a top 10 offense yeah they should have man they should have won last night i was i was furious because i actually turned i turned this game off to like lock in on uh on denver on denver on uh phoenix miami and uh and Now, I like, you know, after a game, took a little like, you know, 20 minute nap or whatever. And then I woke up and I was like, okay, see, lost? Like, what? Like, Shea had an awful fourth quarter. He was so bad in the fourth.
Starting point is 01:32:26 It was crazy. Yeah, but honestly, that game was, to me, was more about the Nuggets playing really, really well. Pain watch. The Nuggets were on file. Pain watch. It was crazy. Alongside J-dub having a really, really, not really bad shooting season, but just not up to par whatsoever you know who also just not having a great shooting season ever are also it's not on
Starting point is 01:32:48 my list double-dipping don't give a fuck tyre's halberin and the indiana pacers he's been horrendous for all reasons i think has went ahead in a lot of two earlier or in last week's episode so far the season i believe there's like 15 points per game or so whatever cool it's more so how he's getting those 15 in the most inefficient way possible he's shooting 38% from the field yuck He's shooting 24% from the three-point line. That is especially someone like him whose game is predicated alongside the three-point line. But what's super concerning is that he's also shooting like 70% from the free throw line as well. Yeah, free throw lines well.
Starting point is 01:33:28 Now, he's not a player who gets a lot of free throw attempts. So I guess that kind of negates what I'm saying right now because he obviously is predicated on a three-point line. But in general, it looks like he took a real, real, real step back when it comes to his three-point shooting. And if that's the case, then this Indiana Pacers team is looking really, really scary for all the worst reasons possible. Yeah. He had a get-right game a couple of days ago against the Dallas Mavericks where he scored really well. I think he had 27 and 10. So I was like, hopefully you can tell you this.
Starting point is 01:33:58 And then they played the Pelicans last night. Pumpkin. He didn't score super well. He had four assists. But I think he looked a little bit better keeping the offense flowing. He didn't need to do a whole lot because Benedict Matherin and Pasolsiakum tore the pelicans a fucking. new one. So they went crazy. So two games in a row, I think he's looked better. Even the numbers have been up and down. But I think he's been able to get into the rim and create passing
Starting point is 01:34:21 opportunities a little bit better than he did before. So I'm hoping we're seeing normalization. But yeah, that's definitely been the biggest problem all years. He has been terrible. Unfortunately, the haters were right. They, they, I don't know. Listen, maybe these two games, maybe we're starting to see it turn around and we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. But for right now, they are right. They are right. He had, he was on a free drive. I know it's funny I saw I was looking at his cleaning the glass page he's shooting like 90% at the rim right now
Starting point is 01:34:47 because he gets there like twice a game it's the smallest sample size I've ever seen like 6% of his shots Best room score in NBA history What are you talking about He's like the same rim volume of Chris Ball Which is ridiculous Like it's such a small number
Starting point is 01:35:02 That he's still hilariously inefficient Despite not missing at the rim Because he just never does it Wait a minute That three boy shot needs to come around It's really what it comes down to Is if he's gonna be this style of player he has to be shooting 42% 3 at all times
Starting point is 01:35:14 or it's not going to be super effective What a high bar I know like he has to be the best shooter in the league That's crazy You shoot 37% 3 and it's like Okay that's the 9th best point guard in the league God damn He has to be amazing shooter
Starting point is 01:35:32 And he's gonna have stretches where he shoots really well Like we saw two days ago against the maps Like we're gonna see those games It's really just consistency that He needs to string it together for five in a row folks all right cool who's next next let's knock out the
Starting point is 01:35:45 the nets the net's biggest problem this year he's been very interesting to me the biggest problem is that they employ Dennis Schroeder because he's been too fucking good he's been dominant
Starting point is 01:35:57 and they're winning too many games they need to lose every game they need to catch the flag they need to do something bad and they're doing something pretty good and that's a problem they are too talented right now they got to trade Dennis Roder
Starting point is 01:36:10 they got to trade cam johnson the guy to trade dorian face man they got to tear their shit down because they're doing too well yeah how ironic is it that they finally get their pickback they finally commit to a tank and then dennis rhoder just puts the team on his motherfucking back and keeps winning games for them they're gonna they're gonna mess around and make the play in they're four and four dennis rhoder lost so much money a couple years ago bro he needs to get that back back and get that shit back in blood yeah exactly bro pocket's on the look it's a tough world we're in right now bro things getting more and more expensive dennis rha has no more time to play bro. He has a kid right now, bro. All right. Bills to pay. Diapers to get. I can't imagine.
Starting point is 01:36:47 I can't imagine listening to somebody else. Be like, yo, yeah, yo. Don't take that 84 million. Like, it's going to be more. And then you're like, all right. Like, it better be that. If there was not $84 million waiting for me, I would be furious. I can't imagine that. Yeah, man. They need to trade all the good players. Real simple. They need to tear their shit down because They are too talented. But shout out there's playing well. Camp Thomas look good. Yes.
Starting point is 01:37:13 I'd commit a crime. All right, Mo, what's the next team? You know who else I want to shout out? Shout out to that guy, Norman Powell. This dude right here has been playing phenomenal basketball and is one of the main reasons why the clippers are semi-staying afloat, not being an absolute, like, absolute crap. They're not very good yet, or still right now. I think they're the 11th seed with the record of 4 and 4 so solid, but not good enough in the Western Conference.
Starting point is 01:37:42 Right now, their biggest issue is their offense. It's in the mud. I think we all came into the season, seeing how in the mother, offense was going to be. The defense has been what's been keeping them a high very on brand for a Tailu-led team. But you need help. James Harden has been playing pretty inefficient basketball, has been struggling to get to the rim. Surprise, surprise. He's like 36 years old.
Starting point is 01:38:05 And there's only so much that he can do on. a consistent basis so they're going to need some help i don't know where they're going to get it from their young players are looking they don't have an abundance of youth right now terence man is terence man you think he's averaging like four or five points so far this year so yeah they need way more versatility on offense and i don't know if they'll have that because kawai is out yeah i mean they are who they are they're 20th 20th in offense the biggest problem is they can't stop turning the ball over their 27th and turnover percentage which is to be expected on a team that has one point and zero other good passers.
Starting point is 01:38:39 And that's the biggest problem. They still don't have to passing talent on this team. Norm Powell, shout out him. He can create shots for anybody else. Shout out Derek Jones. He can't create shots for anybody else. Chris Dunn, defend her well. Can't create shots for anyone else.
Starting point is 01:38:52 Zubach. He plays like Kareem sometimes. Can't create shots for anybody else. Up and down, there's one good passer on the roster. That's an issue. Yeah, exactly. Shides with them for being them, though. I mean, this is their identity.
Starting point is 01:39:04 James Hardin's average is like five turnovers a game, which is hilarious. but also putting up nine assists very on brand for James Hardin. The team is limited. Yeah, you know, they're in a tough situation when no Kawhi Leonard and they're looking pretty much as expected.
Starting point is 01:39:17 Yeah, exactly. Ficey defense, but no offensive talent on the roster to be seen. True. Who next? My next team, we're going to talk about the Washington Wizards. And I want to talk about how bad their PR is
Starting point is 01:39:31 because I don't think, because I don't think people understand how good Bilal Khulubali is playing this year. I don't think that people understand even though that the offense isn't there that Alex Saar is showing the flashes and that you see the vision with Bilal and
Starting point is 01:39:47 Saar there and they are next up for being the fun team. That's like trash but they're like fun to watch. The Wizards are there and they are actually building the right way and if they do Wizards things and you know they keep losing
Starting point is 01:40:02 games Flag, Cooper Flagg, Alex Sar, Bilal Khulah Kulubu. Bali like that's John George that's dangerous that is that is that is Garrington they have they have a lot of really really good young pieces like the wizards are going to fly up you know our boards whenever we start talking about like the best young cores and like the best situations that you want to have and it starts with Bilau and Alexar right now yeah and I don't think Jordan Pool has been terrible
Starting point is 01:40:27 either I think no he's a very good bounce back here yeah the biggest issue is nobody's watching nobody cares yeah exactly Jordan pool phenomenal back He's been looking like the Jordan Poole from the year 2021, 2021, the year that they won an NBA championship regular season Jordan Poole. Fantastic, bro. He's been every bit of just like efficient, smarter basketball, and he had like a lot. He's had a lot less like super, super fast he pays. He's been getting it done and he's been looking like an actual vet, which is crazy. Bob Carrington, which one of you guys are a big fan of that guy.
Starting point is 01:41:02 Don't remember which one, but great players so far, amazing rookie. He looks like he's probably a top seven, eight rookie so far this, so far in this year's a rookie class. He's a bucket. The biggest problem is probably Kyle Kuhlman, just taking up space and just taking money. That's it. Well, that's fine for them. They can trade coups and get a pickback. Maybe they don't even need a trainer.
Starting point is 01:41:23 Maybe we should just keep him because it will help. He will help them eventually get one of the top picks in them. Yeah. You trade, listen, you trade coups, you get a pick back. You continue to lose games, but still have your young guys, like show. show flashes and play well and do things from time to time. Like that is exactly how you want the start of a rebuild to go. I guess they're like two years into the into the rebuild two or three.
Starting point is 01:41:45 But this is where you want to be. And there's reason for optimism and there's reason for hope for the Washington Wizards. So shout out to them. Y'all just got to watch every now and again. And again, you don't have to watch the Wizards against a random team. Watch the Wizards when they play your favorite team. So you can see your team win and you can see, you know, good flashes from young players. I agree.
Starting point is 01:42:05 There we go. That's all the teams I have in my list. Anybody having teams left? I have one more. The Milwaukee Bucks. Oh, yeah. What is the one problem the Bucks are facing, Donovan? They can't guard us three.
Starting point is 01:42:20 Any guard can play. A three-man weave is crazy. Any man, any guard can play the Milwaukee Bucks, and they will have 30 in 10. They can't stop anybody, all the stuff that we thought was fixed last year in terms of of like defense whenever doc rivers came in that stuff is still it's still an issue and you thought that throughout all of this throughout trading drew throughout getting dame you thought hey we have brookelopez and we have and we have yonis we have good enough of a defensive infrastructure that we would still be able to be a really really good defense that's not the case and i know two
Starting point is 01:43:00 i know that like two games ago because i got i got flamed on twitter for it because i was like it's crazy how as soon as Janus goes out, Dame turns up. And everyone was like, Dame had 41 last night. Guys, look at, look at the last year and a half. Like, I'm glad he had a good game with Janus. But the defense and the fact that it's so clear and obvious that they just don't work together. And that, this experiment, it's not going to end up good. And they are at the bottom of the conference. And the reason why I still have hope kind of for the Sixers, they had reinforcements on the way they had joel and b paul george was going to get back into rhythm obviously before maxi got hurt the magic you had palo ban caro on the way the bucks have dam and they have
Starting point is 01:43:44 yonnes and you have your two guys and you are at the bottom of the connoven it is i got some news to break to you shams tweeted two hours ago or chris haines tweeted two hours ago that they're making a change in the starting lineup andre jackson junior is being subbed in for gary trent junior he's been absolutely garbage on the offensive end. And defensive end. Garish Jr. can't defend shit. He defended for like two quarters earlier this year and then he decided I'm done playing basketball.
Starting point is 01:44:11 That was my biggest thing is I thought that could be decent because I thought he had, I thought he had it in on to focus on defense and be a solid fighting over screens defender. I was wrong as hell. He sucks at defense. Yeah. No, this team is like in panic mode, disaster mode, all of it. Yeah, they're so fucked. We went through this last year, last week where we talked about like I'm out.
Starting point is 01:44:30 they're screwed and you know we focus law on doc rivers all the time because he's not doing jack shit to help it's really not his fault the roster sucks man like he's not good and he's not elevating them the roster sucks they have no athletes no defenders no juice outside of their top guys the gary trents signing whiffed to your prince is troyn prince like he's not giving you any juice on either end he's just a fine fill in the gas player if he's your worst defender he's not your worst defender that's the problem and it it can't work I don't know if any coach can save this team with the current pieces they have. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:04 And so I don't apologize to Doc Rivers. I'm just looking at him and other stuff. You're also calling them like Whiffs. Like technically, yeah, they're with, they're minimum guys. Like yeah, this is like we applauded them and we were like, oh yeah, like good for you guys for what is available. They were graded on a curve because of all of the handcuffs that they had because of the stuff. So it's like minimum guys are not supposed to be getting this much run, be this critical to your success and that's just the situation that they're in man yeah we thought minimum
Starting point is 01:45:34 guys could perform better and save them by being better than expected yeah turns out they minimum guys perform like minimum guys listen man the only hope and the only way i can psych myself and delusioned myself into believing this team having hope for the rest of this season is like yo andrew jackson junior they need minimum guys they have minimum guys who are stopping them guys who has made bags over the last few years and them guys who've been around for a while Andre Jackson Jr. has not been around for a few years. They need someone who's hungry, willing to die for a loose ball. And if that's Andrexon Jr. right there.
Starting point is 01:46:06 If he can help play some expiring, inspiring basketball, then maybe there's a way that they can turn the ship around slowly, but surely. I got some bad news for you. If your season depends on Andre Jackson, Jr., it's over. Your season is done. And we've already, again, we've already heard the rumblings. I mentioned it earlier. Be prepared.
Starting point is 01:46:26 Don't think that Janus is going to sit here and be like, oh, yeah, like I want to be in Milwaukee forever when they're at the bottom of the conference. If it keeps going down like this and it is very clear that they have no other avenue to get better, he's going to ask for a trade. You're going to, you're going to see that. And either he asked for a trade or they have, they make some drastic move, which is either moving dame, I don't know, firing doc. I don't know if they want to pay two coaches.
Starting point is 01:46:52 And again, it's not Doc's fault. But like, I don't know if they want to pay two coaches who aren't. coaching. There's just, there's not really a way out for them, but something has to change. So expect, I don't know, expect something, but just not anything good from them. Gotcha. And I saw the team today. We've made it through all 30 NBA teams, talk about one problem facing them early in the season. And yeah, man, what time is it, Mo? It's time to go to war. It is TikTok time. I need all my real eaters to rejoice. It is time. Oh my god
Starting point is 01:47:25 That shit was Danz I think I just brought our headphones No my headphones Just like tweet out right now Doesn't matter I just broke his father Just all your headphones Smacking it with a crowd
Starting point is 01:47:34 This fucking idiot I'm back Fuck you Bill I'm back We're working Let's go To TikTok time Let's go
Starting point is 01:47:41 Welcome to TikTok time Yes sir We're once again For the 1,000th time Gonna begin with the draft But this time It's gonna be a little bit different we're not going to draft NBA players
Starting point is 01:47:54 we're not going to build NBA players we're going to draft the most unguarable moves in NBA history so you know each of us pick our five favorite go-to moves so whoever players you want of all time only stipulation that shit better be unguarded yeah all right sounds good
Starting point is 01:48:10 draft order is Mo me Donovan Mo where we're going with the first pick audio listeners TikTok watchers Kryon eaters I will not let you down for the first pick I'm going LeBron with his shoulder down head down LeBron
Starting point is 01:48:28 that is the most unguardable move in the NBA when his head is down there's nothing you can do about it but brace yourself Lebrace yourself all right well easy pick give me the sky hook
Starting point is 01:48:41 I gotta go with Kareem easy easy easy easy I'm so mad I gave Donovan Shack I didn't even want to but you had to pick the skyhook I forgot that I doubled up here and I wasn't going to take Shaq but I will
Starting point is 01:48:56 so give me Shaquille O'Neal's drop step dunk straight nuts to the face and then that one is more power I would like some finesse give me Hakim Olajuan's dream shake okay I'm hitting him with lateral movement can't do anything give me Kevin Durant
Starting point is 01:49:18 mid-range jumpers. Ah! Okay. He's going to get to that bitch until he's 45. It's never going to stop. 45. Try 65, bro. He's going to be still working on that shit every day at the park.
Starting point is 01:49:31 At the park, at the club. True. Okay. So I got a bronze drive. Go ahead and give me Manu Genobi's Euro step. Just classic, ha, ha. Euro. Go with the flare pick, okay.
Starting point is 01:49:46 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Give me the flare. and then it seems like I'm building a guard so well not really oh go ahead in my bag
Starting point is 01:49:56 I got the bag of a guard I got the bag of a guard do what you feel whatever it is all right cool you know actually screw that
Starting point is 01:50:03 go ahead and give me Dirk's fade away I love that that's a good one yeah that's great it's iconic yep I would say it's just a
Starting point is 01:50:12 worst version of what Kevin Durant does so you got the diet version what I got I was the first that was the first give what I want to go
Starting point is 01:50:21 who don't want to go with here okay well give me Michael Jordan layups I got to pick him at some point is this is 2024 I don't know if the layup is unguardedable like that
Starting point is 01:50:35 I don't know if that's the pick you don't think Michael Jordan attacking the rim is unguardedable I think you could take his fade away and that would be that's more of like the unguarded move did he sell the Michael Gordon I'll give you that for Jordan I don't think I did
Starting point is 01:50:46 I think it's fine. I think Jordan's lands are pretty unstoppable. The way he hovered in the air, you pretty, you did not control Michael Jordan. Don't make me call Bill Landl. So, that hang time is ridiculous. All right.
Starting point is 01:51:03 All right, you got it. You got it. At three, I haven't checked the stats on this, but I'm sure it's 100%. Give me Steph Curry lookaway three. Okay, that's tough. I'm sure he's never missed on this shot. Oh, nah.
Starting point is 01:51:19 And if he has missed, it was in preseason and it didn't count. I was thinking about picking his step after a pump fake. Like a pump fake and step to the side. Reload. Reloed three. That's tough. I see this. There's a couple ways to go.
Starting point is 01:51:36 Actually, no, you took my hood Jordan. Next, give me Alan Iverson's crossover. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Iverson crossover. doesn't really you know not a shot
Starting point is 01:51:49 so it doesn't result in points but you know it's a move it's a move that's one of the best moves in history give me give me
Starting point is 01:51:57 Janice full back dive when he spams that square button and he calls full back dive he's not gonna stop just run fast break
Starting point is 01:52:06 you're not stopping that's true just run and throw it up at the orange cone yeah no meter just run and hold square it's an instant point
Starting point is 01:52:14 okay Okay, I like that. Yeah, Mo can't say anything because he picked LeBron for a halfback dog. Yeah. Same thing. Just different dudes. Okay. I have so many options, so many options.
Starting point is 01:52:29 But you know what I'm going to do? Go ahead and give me Mello's triple threat. I love that. I just. You logged into my load. You logged into my note. You knew I was going there. And then to finish this off to make this.
Starting point is 01:52:45 the most unguarded player of all time and all fats is of unguarable too give me Draymond green screens screening ability I am knocking some tooth
Starting point is 01:52:56 out you get illegal screens that's not fair illegal screens yes bro not only on the ball of my powerful but off the ball too you ain't getting passed by me brother
Starting point is 01:53:05 damn you know fine give me Magic Johnson no look passes nobody's ever missed off of one they've gone in 100% of times it's an instant bucket for your teammate The oral points are outrageous.
Starting point is 01:53:16 Katie, Middy, and MJ. I'm simply the coolest player of all time. You simply cannot be cooler than this man. Yeah, I go. You got it. That's fair. That's fair. That's true.
Starting point is 01:53:29 All right. Let me round this out. We have a lot of very, like, flashy stuff. Sometimes you just got to go with what you were taught. You got to go back to the fundamentals. Give me Tim Duncan's bank shot. He's never missed. He's never missed.
Starting point is 01:53:44 It was in my bag, too. That's a good fundamental last pick. Can't be mad at it. It's good. Okay. I like, I love you. Oh, I feel sneeze coming. Ew.
Starting point is 01:53:58 So, audio listeners, I got Braun Drive, Manu Genobi, Eurostep, Dirk Fade, Mello Triple Threat, and I got Dremont Screens. I have Kareemann Skyhook, Kevin Durant Middy, Jordan Layups, Yon is Fullback Dive, and Magic No Look passes. And I have Shaq's drop step dunk, Hakeem's dream shake, Steph lookaway three, Alan Iverson's crossover, and Tim Duncan's bank shot. Okay. Who on me or Donovan? Who is the best? You are Donovan. That's crazy, bro. It's easily me. You're not getting passed by me.
Starting point is 01:54:32 No, we stomped you out. Stop. Yeah. You picked screen. In the second round. What universe? Yeah. Your old steps, bro, and I prick screens because I don't have the ball on my hands at all times. You guys are unrealistic. You pick screens. You lost. I pick screens. I won. And shout out Mongeonobli in the second round was crazy. Nobody else is going to pick him. Listen, don't underestimate the Eurocept. What are we talking about here? Very fundamental moving to sport of basketball. What? No. I think I get it only slightly. And the only reason why I say that is because Shaq's drop step and putting his nuts in your face and then Steph looking away before the shot goes in, the disrespect is just a little bit higher. I think Isaacs are equally unguardedable, but mine are just slightly disrespectful. They are disrespectful.
Starting point is 01:55:15 No kids can mimic what you guys are doing. Everybody can do a Eurostep. Shit, me personally, I hit about 3.5 Eurosteps today. Just, ha, ha, to the kitchen. 3.5 euros steps a day. Exactly, bro. So I walk in the hall, I go to your step my girlfriend. She can't stop it.
Starting point is 01:55:29 Exactly. Dumbie. Pay attention. Footwork. Dummy to the toaster every time. Just I pointed like, hi. Where are you going? I do this to my girlfriend all the time and she hates it.
Starting point is 01:55:44 Like, honestly, walk by, if I, like, walk in the hallway, I'm like, out she hates it every time. So what I'm saying, bro. Who won't really? Let's talk about it. Okay. But if she knows it's coming in, she can't stop it. That's a skill issue at that point.
Starting point is 01:55:56 Skill issue. It's a hundred percent. I'm never going to stop. You know what's happening. It's a thousand percent of skill issue. It's not insane. I have no intention to stopping, despite it being voiced it's not in doing it. next thing we're going to do
Starting point is 01:56:14 we've done a lot of variations of guessing NBA players by a large variation to stimuli to make you try to guess who the player is today you guys are going to guess NBA players by their siblings we're deep in our bag we're deep in her bag we will never stop
Starting point is 01:56:30 we will never stop guessing NBA players by the most random minuscule thing you've ever seen I will never stop going in on the NBA guessing game I can't wait until we get to the point to we resched guess NBA players by their shadows, by the smell of their breath, bro. I'm ready for whatever. Let's do it. I'm really in the trenches. Where are you at?
Starting point is 01:56:47 Let's do it. Guessing player by body odor is crazy. In 4D vision. Yeah, man. I have some well, some of these are well known. So maybe you have seen these people before. Some of them are deep cuts. But I think they're all guessable. None of them are too crazy. Okay. I don't know. Sometimes you'll be playing tricks. So we'll see. I don't think I did any tricks this time. It's nothing crazy. I didn't have like a white cousin of somebody like it's not white it was really like that that should have been funny as hell i could have found somebody that had like a white stepbrother yeah that'd have been so funny that'd be hilarious okay first off whose sister is this i have no idea oh see great not a clue oh see no i got i got
Starting point is 01:57:26 this i got to see this that's pretty easy exactly look as a real fan i follow not only this player but their whole family you know what i'm saying oh brother you're weird i'm tapped in right this is step kerry sister what the hell this is step kerry's sister oh yeah she's famous damn yeah this this one's easy oh isn't this uh that's her daddy's daughter she looks just like del kirk doesn't she is she like married to what's his name damian lee damian lee yeah yeah yeah i had to start with an easy one that one is well known some of these will not be so easy Okay. Whose brother is this?
Starting point is 01:58:07 I know who this is. I know this isn't a heartbeat. He looks like his brother. This is African, no African. This is Shay Gilis Alexander's brother, bro. This is a shade. Is Shay African like that? It's in his blood?
Starting point is 01:58:18 This is Shayne Gillis and his brother. We all are. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, now. This is Shay's brother. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:29 High school basketball player. What's his name? I forget. I didn't write it down. I didn't even write him. He's very young, though. He's like a freshman. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:40 Yeah, I see you. Yeah, this one, you can see it in the nose. They look a lot of like. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Two for two. You guys are cooking so far.
Starting point is 01:58:48 Who? Whose sister is this? Okay. If you look close enough. I'm assuming this is a picture with her brother. Yes. Okay. Redacted somebody for no reason.
Starting point is 01:59:01 this is harder for sure but I might have a guess take a look at the eyes you can see it if you look hard enough this they look alike I see the eyes if she's taking a picture next to her brother that means her brother might not be very tall because if that was if her brother's an NBA and she's tall too most likely she's a WNBA player
Starting point is 01:59:21 she is not a WNBA player maybe she's more heels she might be heels for some reason I feel the only thing that I'm getting is like Maybe James Harden's sister? That's a good guess. That's not James Hardin. But she,
Starting point is 01:59:35 that I see it in the eyes though, but that's not James Hardin. This is Kyrie Irving sister. Wow. This is Kyrie Irving sister. How did you get that one so fast? Tapped in, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:59:45 I said Donovan don't have a life. I was talking about myself. Study family trees. This is Kyrie. LeBong got a new cousin. You can definitely see it. Okay. You can definitely see the resemblance.
Starting point is 01:59:57 Yeah. It's there. Okay. Three for three. The whole family got good teeth, man. look at them okay next one whose brother is this man we see it in a mile away if that's not Blake Griffin's brother whatever I don't know who that is this looks like you drew Blake Griffin Griffin my memory this is his brother they played together that's crazy that's like an evil
Starting point is 02:00:22 brother bro that's the letter of the evil brother evil version that's his Mario God yes his Waliji damn they're picking the brain type Bites, bro. Oh, my goodness. They have reverse numbers, too. Yeah. It's such a cartoon character, bro. That's adorable.
Starting point is 02:00:42 Oh, this is hilarious. Oh, shit. Okay. So far, you guys are undefeated. Next one. Whose brother is this? Oh, see, that picture is not HD. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:00:58 Yeah, this is tough. This is tough. This is a biracial. looks like a whole lot of everything a whole lot of everything yeah he's a we are the world person yeah like real ambiguous
Starting point is 02:01:10 type of shit this is that he looks like the average human in like he is the United States exactly and it's like Michael Porter Jr's brother it's not that's not a Porter Jr.
Starting point is 02:01:23 Okay if there's not a Porter oh shit it's not a Porter damn wow I'm trying to I'm trying to look at the eyes and the eyebrows I'm not getting it
Starting point is 02:01:34 I don't see it I don't know this one doesn't look quite as much of like He's a big guy I know his brother's a big guy Okay He's either like a big Is it somehow like a wing
Starting point is 02:01:44 Or a center Well I Okay Is this Trey Low's brother Fuck no Shit I see the resemblance though I see why you said that
Starting point is 02:01:53 Yeah I was gonna guess one of like The Jones brothers But they look They all look exactly alike So I don't think it's It's not him I might be cooked on this one
Starting point is 02:02:02 Oh, I got you guys finally that stumped you I might be cooked This I think I'm cooked too Dammit This is Devin Booker's brother Oh hell no Oh no What the hell?
Starting point is 02:02:13 I would never get it in a million years His name is Melvin His name is Melvin Oh no never mind I don't know his name That's on his name Look at his head You can kind of see it
Starting point is 02:02:21 Good job they go to the same barber Like exactly Yeah I would never get this I got one I wasn't gonna get that Okay Whose brother is this? That's Hannibal Burst's brother
Starting point is 02:02:35 That's crazy I have no idea who this dude is bro Who the hell Who? In Mecca ochrefer? I don't know What fuck?
Starting point is 02:02:50 His brother is clearly tall though Because you could see his brother Like leaning in Ah You're the body language analysis with the green lines yeah exactly his brother is clearly a beta male i have no idea but i have zero clue i'm gonna get dwight how i'll say it's another one
Starting point is 02:03:11 howard this one is not hard this one is not hard at all we're we're gonna be upset if we don't get it i would be wow uh yeah i'm cooked well i'm upset yeah this is michael jordan's brother their mom got some questions to answer what's going on here Jesus Christ next player That's ridiculous What's going on here
Starting point is 02:03:34 Jesus Christ Whose sister is this That's crazy I don't know Pepperdine Where is pepper one more player I don't know Is Javele McGee's sister
Starting point is 02:03:46 I don't know No this is not Javele McGee though His mom was in the WMBA I know but that's not helping us right now because we have this hooper on the screen I have no idea I'm we started off hot
Starting point is 02:04:00 I think I'm getting colder and colder as we go along You are You got someone's sister Washed This is tough Why sister System player Is it like Scottie Barnes sister or something
Starting point is 02:04:12 That's no it's not a good guess God damn That's not a bad guess Yeah that's a great guess Who I have no idea I might be cook This is Paul George's
Starting point is 02:04:23 sister. What's your name? Oh, see, okay. So she looks like, she looks more like Paul Young. Like Paul there than in the picture. Yeah. Okay, I can see it now. Okay. No bad, no bad. Three in a row, three else in a row, tough. Who's brother is this last one? Ah! Oh my God. What's he doing
Starting point is 02:04:42 over here? This man supposed to be in Miami right now. This is Tyler Hero's brother. They look like twins. Really? That was that easy? Twins. This is Tyler Hero's brother playing currently for South Carolina. Yeah, no. They're twins.
Starting point is 02:04:57 We need We need. We need. No, not really. We needed a winning record. His brother looks biracial. I feel like
Starting point is 02:05:04 his brother looks like what Tyler Hero thinks she looks like. That's him. Hey, yeah. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 02:05:18 That's the end of that. His brother just, Blake Griffin Okay Next thing we're going to do Action mode Don't you have something for us
Starting point is 02:05:30 I forgot what it was Yeah yeah yeah You forgot It's okay Because I'll explain Right now We're gonna go ahead I'm gonna have
Starting point is 02:05:37 You and Donovan Guess which NBA player Is longer Which Mbba player Yeah I said it Which Mbate player is longer Which MbA player has a longer Wingspan
Starting point is 02:05:48 Which Mbby player I was about to say I don't know if I feel comfortable doing this quite the premise you have here for us this is a very interesting topic we've went ahead and guess NBA players by multiple things but this time I'm going to have two NBA players and I want you to tell me which one is longer simple as that wingspan wise okay fair enough I'm a lot about like okay I bet you do first up John Morant or lamello ball see this should be easy
Starting point is 02:06:21 yeah well lamella's long as hell like I feel like it has to be him like lamello's length is well documented and that's not something we know John Moran for yeah I'm gonna guess Lemello has a 7 no Lamello probably has like a 611 wingspan and John Morant 6 6 6
Starting point is 02:06:38 yeah I feel like you're trying to trick us I feel like you're trying to set us up but I remember seeing like 14 year old Le Malo ball with his hands down to his knees like his wingspan is pretty long so did you did you not watch ball in the family bro all right don't act don't like i know when the mello was 14 he was long what the fact i specifically don't act like we have been don't act like we have not been watching lamella ball since he was like 13 what the fuck
Starting point is 02:07:16 are y'all stupid what are you talking about people have long arms and they go down to their knees all right bro it's just calm down it's just sounding crazy it's job it's jama rent this dude has a six seven wingspan compared to l mellow ball six six just by an inch lemlo has a negative wingspan man yeah oh my god i didn't know that okay yeah yeah john somewhere as long as hell, bro. He gets it from anywhere. Nice. Okay. This man, pitched an idea about length. I start talking about length and now I'm getting fried. What do we do it? Calm down. What is happening? Who's longer? LeBron James or Michael Jordan? Michael Jordan. LeBron James. Are we kidding? Do you think I'm not going to pick LaGlorious King's
Starting point is 02:08:10 length? Like, obviously LeBron is large. It's going to be him. He's world renowned for being bigger, faster, stronger than everybody. He's also longer. It's Michael Jordan. But then again, Michael Jordan's hands are huge. You know what they say. Big hands, long arms. So maybe he has longer.
Starting point is 02:08:29 I'm very uncomfortable with this. I'm going to stick with LeBron, but I can see Jordan being surprisingly long. Isaac, I got good news for you. It is our King James. He is seven foot long compared to MJ 611. beat him out by another inch another reason why he's just better 611 wingspan of 6 7 is pretty large i agree bro sad up to be fantastic players shut on my goat exactly all right next up we have
Starting point is 02:08:59 kd versus ad oh i'm going kemerey it's got be anthony davis his wingspan is ridiculous it doesn't have like a 7-5 wingspan it's something huge i understand that i'm still going keminder right okay no reason I'm just going Kevin her no reason it's bad reason
Starting point is 02:09:18 it's Anthony Davis he has a 76 wingspan compared to KD 75 I undersold my guy he's longer than I thought I should have just when you think it ends it just keeps on coming
Starting point is 02:09:32 and coming and coming and coming and coming endless arms All right. Next up, we got Victor Wemignamah versus Zach Eadie. Ooh, who's got more length? This is the matchup of the day. Yeah, I imagine if we're going big on big, it's going to be Wemby, but Zach Eadie's close.
Starting point is 02:10:00 I'm more on Wemby. I think Wembe has like an 8 foot wingspan, doesn't he? You're correct. It's Wemby as an 8 foot wingspan compared to Zach Eadie's 10. He's not to him, my bad. He's 7 foot 10 and 3 quarters. God damn. 10 foot wingspan is
Starting point is 02:10:13 Yeah. You'd be a slender man. Literally. Yeah. All right. Next up we got Desmond Bain versus Steph Curry.
Starting point is 02:10:23 It's not Desmond Bain. It just can't be. It just can't be Desmond Bain. Statistical impossibility. I'll have to go, Steph Curry. I as well will co-sign. You both are wrong.
Starting point is 02:10:38 Damn. Desmond Bain has a wingspan is 6'4. Steph Curry has a wingspan. 6-4-2, they're exactly the same. And you know what? I was still right. It wasn't definitely that we did not win.
Starting point is 02:10:49 Do I stand on that? I love it. You love it, I love it. All right. Next up, we got Kauai versus Dramon Green. See, same thing. Same thing. Drayman is a huge wingspan.
Starting point is 02:11:00 Yeah, but Kauai also has a massive wingspan and his hands are also massive as well. I'm going with Kauai. Yeah, we got to side with the big hands. You know, I bet his big hands extend his reach enough. that makes him beat Dremont Green. That is a great assumption because it is Kauai Leonard. He has a 7-3 wingspan compared to Dramon 7-1. That's insane.
Starting point is 02:11:21 Yeah. 7-3 wingspan, bro. Isaac, you know length, man. I'm proud of you, bro. He could be in both rooms at the same time. It's crazy. What the fuck? Okay.
Starting point is 02:11:30 He could use the restroom while he fucking flicks pancakes. Like he could be in multiple rooms. Next up, we got Zion Williamson versus Russell Westbrook. oh see zion doesn't have a huge wingspan but yeah this is a sneaky one is russ have a big wingspan i'm going to russ russ is typically a bigger point guard as i was a little bit shorter than you think
Starting point is 02:11:50 it's only like six six realistically i'm still gonna go zion but i bet it's close i'm going brodie give me russ of westbrook oh is jac you're on a roll it is zion wilmson he has a six foot ten wingspan compared to westbrook six eight west is not a bad guess though not a bad guess typically zon loymson is known for his girth
Starting point is 02:12:09 but he's also extremely long. Isaac, you know too much. He's a wide guy. He's sick. He's also the length. Isaac has too much intellect right now. When it comes to length, you are on question. Question watch soon. Okay.
Starting point is 02:12:25 Next up, we got Janus versus Magic Johnson. Is it not easily? It has to be honest, like, easily. But then again, they measured Magic Johnson's wing span when like 1975, so maybe those measurements ridiculous. They say, maybe they were like, maybe they're like fucking seven foot nine.
Starting point is 02:12:43 Does Magic Johnson have an eight foot wingspat? Eight foot, no. He does not. I'm going to go Janus realistically, but maybe those goal keep, maybe those stack keepers back then relying on magic. Hey, maybe they weren't, bro. Maybe they weren't.
Starting point is 02:12:56 So you're going to Magic? I'm going to Janus. We're going Janus. Okay. You are wrong, according to the metrics. It's Magic Johnson. He has a seven foot four wingspan compared to Janus is seven foot three.
Starting point is 02:13:09 I don't believe that shit for a second That's such a lie Magic Johnson 7'4 weeks man You know what happened They probably ran out of tape In 1979 And they were like Yeah it's about another two inches on there
Starting point is 02:13:21 Yeah they didn't have a combine back then They were just yapping That's hilarious His mom probably measured He didn't report it They went to the door frame And just marked it And that was it
Starting point is 02:13:32 They were limited back then But what do you expect And they got one more for you We got Trey Young versus Jalen Brunson. Trey Young versus Jailen. Both in all guards. I'm gonna go Trey Young. Jalen Brunson, not known for his life at all.
Starting point is 02:13:50 He just looks like a stocky guy. So yeah, I'm going to turn. Real Desmond, real Desmond Bainey in the build. Okay, okay, I see. You are wrong. Trey Young has a 6-2 wingspan. Jailen Brinson has a 6-4 wingspan. Oh.
Starting point is 02:14:05 You know what it is? I think Jainon Brunson has narrow shoulders, so it makes his arms look short, but his alarms are probably still along. Oh, right. Yeah, surprising. Went out sad, but I got most of them right. Yeah, Isaac, you are a no-work.
Starting point is 02:14:17 Congratulations, you deserve my crown. Let's go. I want it back, though, next episode. Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to have you guys fill out a bracket. We're going to do a bracket of point guards. So it's a little, new little TikTok thing we're going to do. I have eight point guards here.
Starting point is 02:14:36 And, yeah, we're just going to put them into a bracket and see who wins. It's all randomized. So I wasn't able to like, you know, decide who gets matched up first, make it fair. Completely random. Okay, cool. Let's do this. And this shit does not want to work. Okay, so we're just going to, for some reason I can't control it, but we'll just say it out loud.
Starting point is 02:14:53 L software to this website. I know, shitty website. So eight point guards in a bracket, random seating. First up, we got Luca Donchich versus Deeran Fox. I'm sorry, Deeran. Do you have made strides in your game over the years? but Luca clears you in four It's a clean sweet
Starting point is 02:15:09 You said too many words Luca wins La Mello ball versus Jamal Murray Two years ago Jamal would have got it Right now I'm giving Lamello ball
Starting point is 02:15:18 The crowd But it's taking Their train lines are going In opposite direction Six games though Six games I guarantee you's gonna be like this 50 games in
Starting point is 02:15:27 Give me Lamello ball If you can guarantee me La Mello actually plays 50 games Never go Lamello ball pretty easily Okay Trey Young versus is John Morant.
Starting point is 02:15:36 See, this is like a seven-game series here. This is- This is actually hard. This is good. This is tough. I'm going to go job, but I don't feel great. You know what? I feel good about job being better, but the margin is small.
Starting point is 02:15:47 I think I'm going to lean towards Trey. Donovan, your voice sign factor. No, whatever. Well, you know exactly how this is going to go. I'm going with John Morant. Oh, my God. You know we're going to jump your ass, so it's fine. Of course.
Starting point is 02:15:58 Of course, it's not fair. Trey just mollywapped his team last night. I'm destined to losing this outcome. Trey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Darius Garland. or Cade Cunningham. Ooh, this is close.
Starting point is 02:16:09 This is close. Actually, it makes me think. No, it's not. Actually, give me Dary's Garland. Kate, Kate had a great season so far. I understand. It's not.
Starting point is 02:16:17 Give me Darius Garland. You should know if you see Darius Garland on a list. I'm going to pick him, even if it's not even the right answer. I'm going to pick Garland every time. You're picking Garland too. Cade, I'm sorry. You should know I'm not objective
Starting point is 02:16:27 by Darius Garland. He's going on to the finals. Cade, I tried to go to war. Oh, finals. I try to go for war for you, Cade. But simply, I've been outmatched. Luca versus La Mello ball Luca
Starting point is 02:16:38 It's Luca He's Bashing too many words Luka wins Bashing through this Jaumarant versus Darius Garland Ah
Starting point is 02:16:47 Jha versus Darius It's Jha Why are we saying I for it's Jha? Put your love for Darius down It's Jha
Starting point is 02:16:55 You set Darius I know you guys are both gonna pick Jaws so I'll just say I'm picking Darius just because I want to The Glaze is outrageous I love the
Starting point is 02:17:02 We have to go Jammarant We have to go Jammarland Welcome to the final Luka Donchich or Jah Morant grand finals Ooh Give me Jaya Up too many words Luca Dantius wins
Starting point is 02:17:14 Ooh he said give me Jaws Should I try and say Jha too Give me Jha You should fuck off how about that I can't do it with a straight face I have to do a Luca No I'll take him Luca
Starting point is 02:17:22 Luca Lucas you are the win of the random point guard bracket I wish I wasn't even on this one I should have taken him off I don't know I was truly random I did it like
Starting point is 02:17:34 eight random starting point guards sure took Luca off and put somebody else that could have been interesting Yeah Everybody else would have been in the comments So what about Luca? What about Luca? The effect
Starting point is 02:17:43 That would have been great for engaging Okay, damn it's into that Last thing we're going to do I think it's the last thing I'm going to show you guys Two NBA players And you guys can tell me Which one's career you'd rather have
Starting point is 02:17:53 So if you were an NBA star From that perspective If you're actually playing You know, whose career would you rather have? Yeah First off, we got Scotty Pippen or Dirk I'll give me give me dirks easy really really you'd rather be a star that gets one title versus a second star that gets six they don't love scotty like that scottie is forever the number two he like you you look at that
Starting point is 02:18:20 and i understand that it's like oh yeah mj and scotty part of the of the greatest duo that is michael jordan at the top give me dirt give me a franchise legend i still get MVP's i still get a championship i'm still respected as you know one of the greatest players of all time people say i won the hardest ring of all time i'm going dirt you know what lady texas barbecue dirt gets for life oh my gosh that's better than five more rings to me he never has to pay at hb that is the male ego at his finest give me scottie pippin well actually hold on who made more money who made who do you think probably dirk never mind i'm reverting back i'm a man i'm a man about his bucks give me dirk no whiskey I'm no better than the average man.
Starting point is 02:19:05 Yeah, exactly. I am the average man and it's fine. Okay. Chris Bosch or Joelle M.B. I'm good. I tell you every single week, you put Joelle up and I tell you, I'm not picking him. I'm going with Chris Bosch. So you'd rather be a guy who played on a really important team, a guy who could win
Starting point is 02:19:25 next to other stars on a great team or someone who is an MVP and like is the guy, but unlucky. I have all-star appearances. I have all NBA appearances. I have championships. And I still have my dignity. And I'm going with Chris Bosch. I'm picking Joel and Bede.
Starting point is 02:19:43 I'd rather be one of the pound for pound best players I've ever seen. I understand he's unlucky. That sucks. It would suck to deal with that mental turmoil of always being injured. I'd rather be Joel. I'd rather be that dominant. Exactly. Chris Boss does not have the opportunity or ability to talk about how he was one of the
Starting point is 02:19:57 three baddest dudes in the entire planet like Joel M. B does. Joe and Bid would be telling stories for decades, bro, about how he was Maliwapping guys like Yolkich, guys like... Winnie about his school, nine times out of ten, I want to be an MVP. I think that would be pretty fun. Exactly. Joel M. B. is the professional version of like, yeah, man, you know, like I would have got that scholarship, but, you know, I blew out my knee.
Starting point is 02:20:18 You know, so it's like, I don't want to be remembered as like, oh, yeah, he was great, but, like, we talk about Joel and Bid's career right now. It's like, yeah, he has all that, but he never did it whenever. It's constant ridicule. And I don't want that. If he didn't want that now, it's, no, it is. It's ridiculed in the moment. But in decades go on, people look back at it fondly.
Starting point is 02:20:39 All these guys that you say, which could have been, should have been if they didn't get hurt. You'd never been like Grant Hill was soft. Like, he was unlucky. That's how Joe Ells can remember in 20 years too. Yeah, exactly. This story of just tragic. You don't know how I feel about Grant Hill. We've never had a conversation about Grant Hill.
Starting point is 02:20:57 You don't know about Hey Grant. All right, man. I actually got hell of smoke for Brandon Roy. T.B.H. Exactly. Okay, next one. Andrew Wiggins or Cat? Who's won the breakup?
Starting point is 02:21:13 Andrew Wiggins. Why? He has the title. Yes. So one great year of Wiggins is better than, you know, a bunch of good years of Cat. All-M-B-A-Cat, All-Star Cat. Andrew Wiggins is also a number-one seed cat. Andrew Wiggins has also made an also.
Starting point is 02:21:30 Star team. He was an All-Star starter. I forgot. The K-pop fans got his back. One All-Star. Congratulations. You know, I'll pick Andrew Wiggins because I want the power of K-pop Twitter behind me. I believe if K-pop Twitter was bent to my will, I would accomplish anything.
Starting point is 02:21:44 Also, Andrew Wiggins did less work and still got a back. That's true. Listen, you said if you have the power of K-pop, you can accomplish anything. If I have the power of Jordan Wins by my corner, I can accomplish even more. Give me cat. next player jimmy butler or derrick rose who won this breakup this is tough you're dumb man i have no i mean do you want to be loved in the city like that yeah but jimmy buller did how much does harold's chicken mean to you that's that's what i need to know that derrick rose
Starting point is 02:22:30 is a local legend forever. He can go anywhere in Chicago and be revered. Does Miami lead Jimmy like that? Does he have that type of hometown connection? I don't think so. I don't think so. If Jimmy won a ring, it would be easy, but he didn't win a ring. So would you rather get really close to winning a ring?
Starting point is 02:22:44 Or have like an iconic year that was always remembered. Well, you also said, yeah, I'll take D. Rose. You also said nine times out of ten, you're taking the MVP. So I'll take that. This is the one out of ten times, and maybe you don't because it was so quick. He felt flashing a pan. It was quick, but it lasted so long. long. You want to talk about you don't want to be the guy that's like, oh, if my need
Starting point is 02:23:03 didn't blow out, that's fucking Derek Gross. It happens. Literally Derek Gross. It happened so early. It happened before modern medicine. It's crazy. Before modern medicine like we're in the 1920s. The Stone Age of the 2012. Listen, Derek Rose tore his ACL and we were like, oh man, it was over. And then Adrian Peterson enlightened us and showed us that it's possible. And then after that, people came back. The power of PEDs. Okay, next one. Dwight Howard or Kyrie Irving. Nobody likes Dwight Howard. I'm taking Kyrie Irving. Dwight Howard has done nothing.
Starting point is 02:23:35 Clearly people don't like either of them. No, people like. No, no, no, no. The media does not like Kyrie. People like Kyrie Irving. You are the media. I'm also, I'm just a regular guy, you know what I say?
Starting point is 02:23:48 You know. You know, I'm not going to be Kyrie. I respect Dwight so much. But Kyrie is going to be lionized. Like he was God's gift to dribbling over the next two decades. People are going to look back on him. him as such a legend of the game no matter what he did actually he literally was yeah like he's the most skilled player of all time title is going to be on him forever no matter what exactly he's
Starting point is 02:24:13 he's the next step in the in the pound for pound basketball player you might have to go carry like he will have alan irisans's legacy and alan iverson's glazing he will age amazingly dwight howard on the other hand will be forgotten sadly probably that sucks because white how it was amazing. Yeah. Dwight Howard showed up lonely solo to the party that they threw in the hotel lobby at the bubble. Like that's his legacy.
Starting point is 02:24:39 I'm going, I'm going to carry with it. The other day I saw people having conversations between Dwight Howard and Rudy Gober. I'm like, what has this world come to? Holy shit. That was just one dumb tweet.
Starting point is 02:24:48 That was one idiot. Some idiot was like, oh, his peak isn't even better than Gobert. So nobody ray showed him. That is insane. Dummy. Yeah, fuck out of here. Next one. Clay Thompson.
Starting point is 02:24:59 or Reggie Miller, the sharps shooter that was part of a great team or the one who got to lead his own team. Give me Clay. I'll take Clay. If Reggie got a ring, I might take him. But sadly, he doesn't. So I'll go Clay. If Clay gets another ring with the Dallas Mavericks,
Starting point is 02:25:15 his legacy is going to look even sweeter, even though he's not a guy. If he can show out of new Steph, that would be pretty cool. Yeah, if he gets another ring without Steph and a whole new system, whole new play style, ooh, yeah, give me Clay. I love fan fiction. Yeah, you may not need Steph. You need Luke Dodger. though. You need a top three
Starting point is 02:25:31 player in the world. I close my eyes. You need some of the goddamners. It is Clayton. You're not winning the chip. Last one. I don't even know if it's the last one actually. Janice or Kevin Garnett.
Starting point is 02:25:45 You want to be the guy that stayed there and won for his team or the one who eventually had to bounce to win a championship. Man. It's not even looked upon like that though. Don't disrespect KG like that. No, I just mean like, you know, your team failed you and eventually moved on and you worked like a, not a drive. I mean, you know me. You don't think Kevin, Kevin Garnett. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yannis is homegrown, though. Yannis is
Starting point is 02:26:08 better. He's one of the best development stories of all time. He won one for Milwaukee. Back to back two MvPs in a row, DPOI. Like, it's a pretty great career. I'm not saying it's a bad career. I'm saying I'd rather be Kimmer Garnett though. Why? Because ORA? Yeah. A hundred percent. What are you talking about? I can walk around and be Kevin Garnett. Like it's, he's way cooler. He has to just be Bad ass. He's cooler than Yannis, yes. I get to scream and everybody will listen. Walk around, just bashing your head against someone. People were like, man, yeah, he's so
Starting point is 02:26:37 motivational. He's so different. That's pretty cool. You go into any room in the country and people just want to hear you scream. That's pretty cool, I guess. I'm going to Kevin on it. All right, there you go. The likability. Alan Iverson or John Stockton. Don't you ever put this pasty man on my screen again? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 02:26:56 Not too far, not too far. John Stockton has done important things in NBA history The list is short He's okay passer And he's an all-time steels leader Efficient three-point shooter as well Before his time, might I say
Starting point is 02:27:11 Once again You have said too many words This is Alan Iverson and it's not a question I think we should go bricks at you It's actually the answer What happened to tomatoes? Hey You should say I'm buddy buddy buddy
Starting point is 02:27:27 we should throw tomatoes to him that's the end of that and speaking of pasty princes i forgot i have one more segment i want you guys to do i'm going to keep count i'm going to be the moderator and i want you guys to see who can name the most white NBA players career all time yep so uh all all time okay okay cool so let me pull up a uh an app where i can count clicks and tally for you guys. Let me see if I can add a second person. There we go. So we got this pulled up. You guys are going to go back and forth. Don't go too fast so I can keep up. You're going to keep naming white players into one of you guys, you know, like stumbles and pauses and loses. Okay. See who can get the most. I'll start this off. So real simple. You got to, I'm going to count
Starting point is 02:28:13 down three, two, one. Mo goes first. You guys start rattling off all the pasty prices you can think of. Three, two, one. Tyler Colick. I hate you. That was going to be your first. I hate you so much. I hate you so much. Boom. Boom. Okay.
Starting point is 02:28:31 Larry Bird. Luca Donchage. Sam Meryl. Pat Connison. Nick Collison. Garrison Matthews. Oh my God. I hate you so much because that is better than my pick.
Starting point is 02:28:43 Stop seeing my own players. Tyler Hero. Ooh, we're going Tyler for Tyler right now. Okay. T.J. McConnell. Duncan Robinson. Mm. Okay. Luke Cornett.
Starting point is 02:28:58 Yaka Pertel. Does he count? Okay, I guess. Whatever. Is he? Yeah, he's white as hell. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Whatever. Kevin Love. I'll keep moving. Steve Nash. Ooh, Steve Kerr.
Starting point is 02:29:12 John Paxson. Ooh. Luca Dantage. You already said Luca. No, I didn't. I said Tyler Kolic. I never said Luca. Did he not? Did he not? Did he say, Luca? Maybe you said Luca. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:29:26 Okay. I think someone said Luca. I think somebody said, I think. No, someone said, someone said, someone said in Yaka ProD. I was like, wait, does he count? And I was like, no, the beginning. I think, don't, wasn't your first name, Luca?
Starting point is 02:29:36 No. I was going to say Tyler Cole. I said Steve Novak. Okay, just because I don't remember on the moderator, we'll take that one away. You have three seconds to say a new name. Lucas out. Okay, so I have three seconds.
Starting point is 02:29:46 No. Yeah, go. Okay. Don, Mo. Okay. I already said Steve Kerr also, but whatever. Say a name. Okay.
Starting point is 02:29:54 Payton, Pritcher. Sam Hauser Steve Novak That was what he said I said Steve Novak Yeah I got cooked I got cooked I got cooked I got cooked Actually we know it's 10 10 right now
Starting point is 02:30:08 It's a tie Donovan say one more Arthur Reeves There you go Donner wins Let's go No way Got to 10 to 11 Okay
Starting point is 02:30:19 I think you might have lost twice But I can't remember Luca for sure So I gave you the credit But Donovan wins definitively Man Okay. I see you. I see you next week.
Starting point is 02:30:28 We got to run this back. Yeah. Just random categories. Yeah. Okay. That's so funny. Okay. You got that.
Starting point is 02:30:34 Okay. Yeah. And with that being said, that's the end of the white boy list. And that's the end of the episode. If people are still here, what should they comment, Mo? Length on length. Comment we're going big on big. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:30:47 And we'll see y'all next week. Nasty guys.

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