The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Early Season Problem Every NBA Team MUST Solve | Ep. 167

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

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19 plus Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Concerned by your gambling or that if someone close, you call 1866-3-3-1-2-60 or visit comixonterio.ca. As you guys see about a title, we are here today to talk about one early problem that every single NBA team needs to solve. You know, we talked a lot of positivity in recent weeks, all the biggest surprises. Today we're going to talk about the good, the bad, the in between every single team, one thing they can do to improve. And the ugly. Let's get to it. But before we get to that, there was one new story that we had to acknowledge. One elephant in the room we have to talk about before anything else.

Somebody that I think we consider our leader, somebody that we've endorsed on camera many times, is in the headlines this week. something big way to talk about we'd be remiss not to mention it before we start anything else where the hell you're going with this man LeBron James is back playing for the Lakers G league team he's practicing he's here he's making his return this week our king is back oh how could I be out of the loop man

you know if the king is back that must mean also that the balance in the order of the world is restored he has risen again and we're starting to witness there's been the tough times you know government's taking way people snaps and eb tea and all that. But listen, once Ramon James steps back on that court, everything will

restore once again. This has to be the worst week of work if you are a South Bay Laker. You're trying to get your game off. You're trying to get into the lead. And here comes LeBron James. Just dunking on everybody. I would be frustrated. The leader of our nation will be back in the line right pretty soon. LeBron Jens will be here to play next week after the Lakers road trip. Had I acknowledged that up front, had to make sure we at least mention the elephant in the room that people want to hear us talk about before we get into the main topic.

Now with that being said, cue the intro music. Let's talk about one problem every NBA team should solve. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy. He was bragging.

I hope you didn't say it. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Thank you. All right. Crown eaters, rejoice. so we're going to do this the same way we always do we're going to go team by team picking one problem all three of us have 10 teams each that we're going to be in charge of supplying that problem

until we talk about every single team in the league donovan kick us off what is the first thing you want to talk about see the last couple times that we've done this i've saved the nicks for last we're starting off with the nix today the biggest problem is that jalen brunson left the arena last night in a boot and in crutches and until that is it's okay my life is not okay that is very clearly the biggest problem that the nix have to face right now because if he's if he's not there then like you know the win games they're still a good team this team is not getting the everything that was promised to us right that was promised to you the number one seed in the eastern conference in a desolate eastern conference that's not that's not

happening you were promised it who told you this promise was like a dream a long listen a long long long time ago it was promised you was in the bible yeah the next championship was promised somewhere Some angel came to his sworders at night. We're coming. Possessed them. The Knicks are got true fan base. And so I just like that that on top of the fact that we got destroyed by the magic last night. That's the, that's the biggest thing on my mind right now for the Knicks.

Yeah. So yeah, that's obviously a pretty big deal that I don't think we know the extent to which he's injured right now. I think we're still waiting on our first update. But boots and crutches after a game is never a good sign. I feel like we do this every year with Jalen Brunson He turns his ankle real bad But this is worse because it's like Was it an ankle?

Yeah, it was an ankle And it was the same ankle that he hurt last year That made him miss like 15 games before the playoffs Literally every single playoff game He would either turn it or somebody would step on his foot weird And he would go over to the sideline He would hob over, crutch over, hold his ankle So like it was it was an issue last year

In the regular season and in the playoffs Thought everything was good And so now if we're starting that early, we're starting that in December, it's going to be very annoying. Because obviously the way that he plays, it's very physical, very footwork dependent. And his ankles be flying everywhere. So it's like him and Shay are two of the most ankle dependent players in the NBA. And if that's an issue, then obviously the entire construction of the Knicks is thrown off. What did you think about the Knicks in this recent game against the magic?

Before Jaylon Brunson got hurt, what would have been the one problem you think they had trying to defend that team? So I think overall, the biggest thing that I've seen is Cat is not comfortable. And like last year, last year, especially starting the season, all the conversation that we had about Kat and like, is it going to fit? Is the, is the defense going to be okay? That was kind of out of the window because Kat was hooping offensively. He was, he was scoring like 24, 25. The three point shot was falling.

That's not really happening this year. And I think, you know, before, like, coming into the season, he had all the comments about, you know, I don't really know my role. I can't really tell you what that is. And we're starting to, you know, there were a couple games where he looked very uncomfortable or unsure about how the Knicks were going to utilize him. And if there was going to be a silver lining, maybe if Jalen Brunson is out, this could be a stretch where Kat finds his rhythm and everything is fine because everybody else is starting to

really fall into, into place. OG's playing really well. Mikhail is doing his thing. Josh Hart has found his form. a little bit more but offensively this team is going to go as far as brunson and cat go and until cat looks the same way that he did last year that's really the main thing that i'm watching on a night-to-night basis and not even the same way to last year better after they fire tips the main thing everyone was talking about well not main thing there's many things that would like to fire tom tibodeau

but one of the main things that was a silver lining that you imagine would go really well when you're bringing mike brown somebody who is known more for his offensive acumen compared to tom tibodeau especially would be the utilization of cat being better than last year. So the fact that it's not, it's not better, it's worse even, not what you want to see from the start of this era. Yeah, it's a little, you know, noticing. Yeah, and I feel like this is the first time ever in Kat's career where I see him being not wildly off from three, but he is not like the normal cat that I see.

And of course, like, it's going to take some time to adjust to this new play style. And I remember a couple of games ago, it was I think it was probably before this little five game win streak that you guys had now before the loss of the magic where he was kind of on he was kind of skeptical about the new game plan and how he how he's been fitting in and so far early off the start the year he hasn't been as efficient of a three-four sure or just efficient in general now of course early in the season you know like there's so many players you can point to who are usually hyper-efficient like him but to this degree it's kind of not worrisome but i'm just another thing yeah uh his relative true shooting percentage is

is negative 0.2, his 2 point percentage is 48%, and his 3 point percentage is 32%. So just not the best scoring start to him overall in pretty much every way. You can go up and down the advanced analytics. Just awkward start. I don't think any of us really are going to doubt that can Carlton Towns be an efficient score? That's like the least of our worries. So this really is, this is like the definition of the title in early season problem, that when you think about them having a new system, when you think about cab being a specific type of

player to play around, and you think about the fact that a big part of this new system is making him play power forward again something he did two years ago which took a year to figure out now he's back to doing that some while still balancing the center stuff stands the reason that he would start a little bit clunky outside of that i love watching the next like oh jana nobi is taking seven threes a game that's something i thought i would never see in the attiret in my life he's always shot like four or five a game or five six a game and to see that he's taking up a notch and you shoot like four damn near 40 percent of three and seeing how hyper-efficient everyone else is around this roster you feel good about them

overall still yeah yeah early problem figure out the offense and figure out how everybody fits in there hopefully jelan brunson is there to make sure everybody can fit properly yeah this offense is great mo what a team do you want to start with my captain okay let's go ahead and start with my favorite team in the NBA not the hawks right now not this not not not until like june they're thriving without the dictator yeah stop with that name stop calling him that damn that's your shala no man no one was pelicans they have a lot of problems. I don't know where to start. Yeah, they're my favorite team. Absolutely. He's tuned into every game. Dude. Whether or not he wants him to win is a different question. But yes. They're my, they're my favorite team for reasons, not because I'm from New Orleans.

Not because I banged the pelicans or anything like that. No, don't do none of that. I don't associate myself with Louisiana at all. God forbid. But for this team for the next like nine, 10 months, best believe. I'm going to pull up in this bitch with the New Jersey Pelicans Jersey, but I promise you. Willie Green, he is the fucking problem. Okay. Why the hell? You guys have nothing to live for. Why the hell? Nothing to live for.

What do they have to go for? We did relegate them on stream the other day. We did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, so their biggest problem early season is why is Willie Green so employed? Why is Willie Green? Literally, I wrote it down right here. Why is really green employed?

Derek Quinn is not starting. And then one of the most embarrassing statistics that any NBA team could lead the league in is shot clock violations. But are you going against six defenders on the court right now. One of them being the clock and the five of the people we are going against. What are we doing? Why is Derek Queen not starting? What is this offense?

Why is Jordan Poole still coming off of the bat? I don't know. We got, I typed in Willie Green to Twitter. We got day by day reporters giving us updates on Willie Green. We have here from Dylan Sanders. Willie Green is here at the facility after practice and by all appearances still the head coach of New Orleans Pelicans. And why is doing this?

Because every single day you go on Twitter, you will see a new report that that motherfucker's time is coming. It is day by day, every win is necessary for him to stay keeping his job. You guys see that one report where it was like, Willie Green. and the pelicans have to win tonight or else he is he's going to be fired i said i've never is november 12th i've never heard a basketball coach on a game by game basis in november if that's the case you're already fired yeah it's already good and yet that early season problem to be more specific about the pelicans is the poor coaching on offense and the utilization of their talent whether or not

you want to start derrick queen i understand not starting derrick queen to begin with just because he had you know perceived defensive weaknesses that you want to not throw him to fire right away they're already in fire but they just don't want to add them they're like yeah yeah they're molten lava right now I guess so now people want to see Derek Queen start before that it was the total lack of organization around the offense how it was so much rolling the ball out there in telling Zion Williamson to just figure it out not enough offensive ecosystem in place to make all their pieces thrive they bench Jordan pool early on because it wasn't going

well everything about them has been a shit show they look like a team that is just completely not on the same page from top to bottom that definition of a coaching issue it feels like yeah because at this point like every every single night we're getting a full highlight tape from derrick queen of all of the offensive skills that he has his touch and his like his biggest strength coming out of the draft was listen he he's he's he's weird right it's a it's a weird build he has a weird play style but his feel for the game is just weird build but but but his feel for the game is just otherworld it's off the charts and you you see that every, every single night, especially like, like on that, on that very first play, like,

understanding when the pump fake, where the defenders are, understanding space and angles and all that, he very clearly has a very high understanding of that. Yeah. And in a season that is all, we know, we know what it is right now. What is it? It's cooked. Like, the season is, it's cooked. And I think, like, Derrick Queen is going to be the one, him and Jeremiah Fears are going

to be the two bright spots for this entire year. Exactly. And in my mind, I'm just like, you're not even putting these guys in the best position to be a bright spot. Like, I understand you want to talk about how, yeah, you can understand how you don't want to start Derek Queen and let him, like, just beat burning hell in the fire. But you're already doing that with Jordan, or Jeremiah Fierce. Why not double up and just, like, really burn for real? Because you're not producing anything. Yeah, at least like you could burn out in a cool fashion, you know?

And at this point, all we're playing for this season is to make sure Derek, we know exactly how good Derek Queen is. because if he can be an all-star level player and if we see that trajectory, then we can live with the fact that we traded our probably top-10 pick to the Hawks. So we got to do everything we can do and sure this isn't the worst trade of all time.

And that starts with Derek Queen PR. We need to farm PR. We need to farm rookie of the year odds. Do everything we can so that this team isn't viewed as the biggest embarrassment in the league. The social team should be at his locker every single day.

Oh, look at this. Doing all the fun TikToks, all the fun challenges. They need to be there. This is Pellie at Pelican's NBA. Their official count is tweeting every day. highlight the can

for every game because you want to make sure everybody knows this guy is good we didn't trade our pick for a lemon he's the one yeah you have to

but wait squallel you gotta make these these posts more fun I need some emojis some some some firework right

some exclamation points this is this is a regular statute we broke this down the other day I think we could go yeah emojis cost extra

three streams yes they can't afford emojis they can't afford like I'm sure they probably tweeted this off of a fucking iPod nano

brus like they are broke voice to the They can barely afford this gold check They got for green That doesn't say what Source is tweeted by I wish it did Yeah I guess the only like

Outside of Dair Queen of course And Better start buying likes Tehr my fears Being somewhat like Shiny spots of this team At least Trey Murphy Has looked good over these last few games

He's put up 22, 21 He fucking went out for 41 Against the Spurs the other day And a loss of course But he's been Yeah He's been much better And that's like

a shining out mind that you walk away with other than that you're still terrible there's you have problems all around but it starts and ends with Willie Green yeah Willie Green will soon be unemployed it seems like that's inevitable unless he locks the fuck in which you never know maybe he does but it's not a great start the season for him yeah is he the best bet for first coach fired yeah there's not I don't think that there's anybody well actually it's either it's either him or Tyloo Tyloo nah just because just because they're that that That's the other one.

Just if you're talking about like top of the leaderboard and who's actually on the hot seat this early, the fact that we've already heard enough rumblings around Tailu and his firing, maybe. What did Tailu? I don't think Tailu deserved anything to be. He's wildly renowned as like a top five coaching league for like the last, I don't know, five years or so. Yeah, but they're also a disaster. Yeah. My point.

They are the clippers. There are the clippers. I can't wait to get on them. Okay. Next team. Let's start with on my list, the Denver Nuggets. Their biggest early season problem is Cameron Johnson and Christian Brown are horrible at offense right now.

And they completely forgot how to score the basketball. And that is a problem because Nicole Yolkich is once again playing MVP level basketball. Aaron Gordon is a sharpshooter now, the best player he's ever been in his life. He might be transcending best role playing the league talks pretty soon. He is on one. Jamal Murray came into the year in shape and fit and ready to do prime Jamal Murray performances starting in October instead of starting in April. So that's good.

a lot of the debt pieces are warm bodies are giving them at least nine players that can play unlike last year pretty much everything is going to plan across the roster except for the fact that Christian Brown is scoring horribly not playing to the standard

you would want after they paid him and the Cam Johnson fit just has not gotten comfortable yet he looks like a player that is not in a rhythm at all and I think one thing we're realizing is yes Cam Johnson will just start shooting better at some point the threes will go in it currently has a 42% effective focal percentage

that would be the worst in the league by a mile. He's not the worst shooter in the league by a mile. I promise you that's not the case. So he will see some positive regression. The threes will go up from 22%. But overall, I think we're realizing that it's, it's real difficult to be the fifth option in that offense or even fourth option, wherever you want to think about Christian Brown. Not a lot of touches go their way. Adelman is in a decent job in past few games of trying to get him touches early in the game. But that's an inherently unrhythmic position. You are going to get a ton touches play next to those guys. Are you telling me that I'm missing MPJ and his fit in like his

smarts and wits when it comes to just fitting. You'll never hear me say that word again. Smarting wits. Yeah, but smarts and wits when it comes to knowing how to time buckets perfectly and to pull that fucking trigger alongside Yolkid. I don't think you're missing it. Well, yes, you are missing it. Not in a long-term sense, though.

You just need to see Cam Johnson to start to understand that. Because one thing MPJ does, he'll touch the ball and immediately get that ball up. He learned over the years that when he needs to be a quick trigger shooter, he will do it. Cam Johnson isn't quite there yet with just being used to playing with Yokich and Jemal-Murray and used to understanding when he has to pull, when he has to keep the ball moving and all that stuff, it's pure lack of rhythm. Yeah, he's coming from a situation

where he had the ball in his hands the entire game. Yeah. And where he was able to be more on ball, score and score really like whenever he wanted and be on this bad team. And now, like, this is one of those situations that people talk about like,

okay, can you play winning basketball? This is kind of what it looks like where you have to go back down to a version of yourself that you haven't been in two years, three years, right? It's been so long since he was on the sun's playing off of all these other stars being being in this role. And now that, now that, that Yokic is here who also after last night, listen, listen, last, we are coming off of a night where Nicola Yokich had a 55 point triple double. What the hell, man.

It literally feels like, you know, we always talk about like the Bill Simmons thing of like the best in the world and like who has the belt. We should make one. We should make an actual best in the world. And there should be like the three or four guys at the top of the league. You guys compete for that. Everybody else can play for the MVP. What Yokic is doing and what like what Steph has done before, LeBron has them, all the other stuff.

The way he is playing, you just said, you know, Yoki's just playing at MVP level. It feels like you are underselling how good he's playing just because it's otherworldly. And so I do feel like there should be another category for how good he's. playing but doing that and having having him be there knowing that obviously everything is going to revolve around him it is it is tough i have this clip up here right now of all of his three he shot this season notice they're all from the wing or top of the key from his placement he's currently

shooting the lowest percentage of corner threes of his career at just 13 percent i would like that to be the highest percentage and i know that's just not how they're often to use him just because they want to use him as a little bit more of a movement shooter Aaron gordon and christian brown oftentimes occupy the corners i would like to see him get a little bit more of those easy ones like that one we just saw there, was a missed in transition. I want to see in position from there more often. Yeah. Yeah. It's so tough and kind of, this is one of the biggest talking points when it comes to offseason additions. This is one of the bigger, it was one of the bigger moves during the summer. And to see this pan out to this degree, it sucks, but also it kind of doesn't matter

because, you know, Tim Hardaway Jr.'s on a fucking burner. Bruce Brown is hooping his ass off. And Yokic is, of course, like playing otherworldly. He's not playing even like the best player in the world he's been like he's a top 10 player of all time currently as he speaks it does matter though long term and for sure he's in problem this matters a lot because that that would be a shame for them to give up a first-on pick to get a worse version from this position yeah we were what we were talking about yeah like this dude's legitimately better a better player more well-rounded player to some like mpj and for him to not do like the baseline thing bare minimum like can you shoot 40% from three nah that stinks this things yeah just for miss is a bad too i know for cam johnson to

reap dividends and for him to be a better player in his system than MPJ he has to be able to do the easy stuff that MPJ did. Because the whole reason Camden Johnson can be better is he can handle the ball a bit more with bench units, he can attack a close out, and just give them more creation top to bottom of the roster, make it so there's five guys that can dribble on the court at all times. But none of that

matters if you can't hit the open jumpers first. Yeah, exactly. And PJ will hit the open jumpers. I guarantee you that. That'll be the one thing he does well in offense and he will never stop doing it. All right. Who's the next team, Donovan? All right. I wouldn't even talk about Christian Brown, but we're also noticing you. Okay, so I'm going to double up here because one of the teams that I had was the Detroit Pistons.

And if you missed it, we talked a lot about the Pistons on Tuesday, on TD3, Tuesday, 2.3 live coming off of Cade in his 46.45 shot game. And basically, long sort of short, with the Pistons, their shooting and their secondary creation is a problem. It's been a problem this season. It was last year. It was the year before, like until Cade has somebody and has a legitimate running mate too can take a lot of the offensive pressure off of him to where all nights where half of the starting lineup is out he doesn't feel the need that he has to take 45 shots

until that happens they are there's it feels like there like there's a ceiling on them and so if they want to get to to the next level they'll do that yeah my next team though that I would pair up with them is the Milwaukee bucks and everything's been going great but the problem is outside of Giannis, these guys, nobody is putting their head down and going to the rent. Like, their free throw rate is, it's the second worst in the league right now. Who's the worst? Let me guess. Free throw rate.

I have to, I'll check. Okay, I'll check. You keep talking. Yeah. But outside, like, outside of Janus, anytime that, that you look at their box score, it's a lot of one for twos, you know, over two. Yeah. Miles Turner, he's, he's getting, you know, a pretty decent.

amount of free throws, but he's also around the rim a lot more. But from the guards and from their wings, they need more people to be able to create aggressive paint touches and aggressive drives to get yourself a lot more

of those easy opportunities. Okay, so the Milwaukee Bucks have a 16.9 free throw rate. Who do you think is last? The 29th, you're right. Who do you think is number 30? I'll tell you. Ahead of them at 28 is Washington. So it's not the Wizards. Okay, I just remember.

who's 30? Is it the... See what you can guess. Warriors are sons. No, the Warriors are Jimmy Butler now, so they're not going to be towards the depths anymore. Yeah.

But the sons are right ahead of that 27. So they're not 30. Boston Celtics are number 30. Okay, Celtics. They got no ball hand and the drive beside Jalen Brown. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

And so... Number one, and number one, guess number one is. Lakers? Lakers. The Wizards? I thought you was it for 28. Lakers.

Lakers are three. Fuck. Utah Jazz or two Wow No idea how Number one Of course Their best player

Is the definition Of a free throw merchant Right now Thunder? No Orlando Magic Oh yeah Yeah

Palo's a fucking train All he doesn't get foul He just sprints in there and gets hit But yeah So for the for the bucks though You have to be able to have something Something else And I promise you

We're going to get to The middle of the season Or the playoffs And every Bucks fan every NBA fan is going to watch this series with the bucks and they're going to look at the free throw stats and they're going to be like, wow, the league is rigged against John is, oh my gosh, nobody puts these reps in position

to make any of those calls. And you see teams really year over year, they can be at the top of a free throw rate and are getting a majority of the calls because of their style of play and because of the things that people do. And just like we saw with the Warriors last year, as soon as you got Jimmy Butler, As soon as you got somebody who knew how to create free throws, your offense felt a lot better

because everything wasn't riding or dying on every single shot and you got some more easy opportunities. All the old players always talk about. Just see one, you know, go, go through the hoop and you can get rhythm. Like all those little things happen by getting free throws and the bucks aren't doing that right now. So it is something that I want to see them improve at. They just need ball handlers with some methodicism that can actually create a shot in the paint. They have outside of Ryan Rollins.

And thank God Ryan Rollins has been playing at the most. most improved player. If he wasn't there, it would be desolate around him in terms of ball handling. So a third ball handler would be nice.

And I'm sure they're viewing KPJ is the answer to that. Even if KPJ is going to be good for you guys, it's not like he's going to be some free throw magnet. It's not exactly his game. I don't think.

Unless his free throw race climbed in recent years, I didn't realize, I'm not looking to him to be a free throw rate answer. Yeah. Outside of those two, my only like,

oh, their saving grace was like, yo, Col Anthony, like, you know you're done fast. We know you're explosive as fuck as at least like bare minimum of an athlete, but even that's not panning out on a consistent No, it's ironic. Actually, KPJ last

year in the 30 games he played with the Bucks, 92nd percentile in shooting foul percentage. So maybe KPJ is the answer. Maybe you guys are going to get seven free throws a game from KPJ. We'll see. Checks out. No, it does that, but apparently he does his thing. It was funny when the 45 games of the Clippers, he was getting a shooting foul

and 8% of his drives. Now it's 13% with the bucks. Jesus, ew. What a jump. He had more usage, I guess it makes sense. Okay, next team. let's go ahead and talk about the spurs okay what is the biggest problem they have early in the season last night they just lost to the warriors and what felt like a very very iconic game from step curry felt like they were watching the young dog or the old dog go ahead and show why he's still

one of the best players in the league um one of the biggest problems for the spurs right now super glaring is that you know teams shoot 40% from the three point line against them they do not guard the three point line well at all and of course like when you think about about the spurs and wimby who very well could retire as the best defender that we've ever seen the tired of our lives like they the talent outside of that defensively is dire and their game plan when it comes to how they close out on threes is deemed their non-existent like it's open season against them and it feels like that's been like kind of a a philosophy that they've had over the last like few years like over the last like seven years it's like 2018 you know yeah so that just

continues to be a real issue for them. Yeah, the 15th in volume given up from three and 27th and three-point shot percentage given up, 29th and corner three percentage. So, yeah, I'm sure part of that is on purpose. They're trying to, you know, cut off the rim and do all that. But yeah, it's always a give and take with that, especially when I've noticed a pattern with the Knicks, actually.

I saw, I think it was Zach Lope point this out, that they do a lot of helping off the shooters and getting back in trying to, like, purposely play those gaps in forced turnovers in that way. And that works when it's OG and Mikhail and all these guys that are big, long, lengthy defenders doing it but jaylon brunson likes to do that and he is small so if he goes out there and tries to help with the nail and cause some ruckus and get back you're shooting over his head every time i think there's a lot of defenders a lot of these smaller guards that you're probably

seeing that with the spurs yeah so it's that i think there's a lot of one-way players on the spurs and then also it's just super tough when you're back court and daren fox is currently shooting 25% from three and then we don't have to talk about the level of three-point shooter that step on castle is too yeah so that's that's always stuff you don't have one maybe two decent three-point shooters outside of wimby who's even who's not even shooting that well this year scotty not scotty barns harrison barns shout to him mr consistent bro he's like a solid three-point shooter and then there's devon bassoe outside of that like the spacing is fucking dire and again it just feels like they're kind of hand-drews i don't know about dire because it's not

like it's like a magic situation but it's not great and to your point like winning the three-point battle and winning that math part is definitely something that's going to be an issue for them when they have to start these two guard lineups with two iffy shooters at best but i have to assumed Deere and Fox, he's better than 28%. I don't know about Castle, but Fox, I have to assume the shooting comes around. He will. I believe him. And I don't know. I might agree.

And the spacing stuff, it might be dire. Yeah. I might go, I might go that far right now. Because I don't. At least from coming from their guard, not even their guard position. Like, you're right. Like, overall, there's just no, not a lot of, like, reliable shooters. But it's just something

that took to worth note right now in the early space that we're in. Yeah. And just in general, figuring out the guard. I'm not going to say log jam because most guys can play together, but something we talk about in the preseason, just figuring out how to best deploy all these guards when you get everybody healthy is going to be their biggest question. And even, like, spacing's part of it, ball handling is part of it.

Stefan Castle has been an amazing slasher. How do you balance that? Continue to give him his touches in lineups where he's playing with either Dylan Harper or Fox and everybody's healthy, just in general having the best maximize everybody in offense while giving Wemby his touches and a good mixture of his own self-created touches with the stuff that people create for him that he can finish. Just figuring out all their offensive pieces is definitely the biggest early question.

Yeah, for sure. Next team is with the Lakers. Fresh off of belt being delivered by the OKC Thunder. I don't even know it was a belt, man. That felt kind of like old school. That was like a switch. That felt like they just took a fucking slipper.

I don't even know. That was straight hand. I was straight hand. Man. It was brass knuckles. It was just decimation. So I guess skipping ahead. Do I have OKSI on my list?

I think I do. Okay, we're going to do OPC and the Lakers right now. I'm going to go ahead and commandeer your OKC question. OKC has no questions. They're the best team in the NFL. They are going to win in NFL. They're the best team. They're that too.

Fuck it, bro. They're probably these league of interceptions over there too. They are going to win the NBA finals. They're going to if they're healthy. This team is otherworldly. She has sat six of the 13 fourth quarters this season. They are handing out belt left and right and Jadov hasn't played a single game. And the Lakers are the newest recipient of that belt.

You could tell they got up to beat the shit at the Lakers. because last time they played the Lakers in the regular season was the game last season where the Lakers beat them in like game 68 because they set this Lakers franchise record for three points made. They had an insane Magna Ball and gave us a four-day discourse cycle about the OKC Thunder

not being able to beat the top dogs out there because they hit a lot of threes. And I can tell they walked into this game with that memory in there and they beat the hell at the Lakers. So OKC, no questions, no problems. The Lakers in terms of them getting just being completely destroyed

by the Thunder. I'm not taking too much away from that because the Thunder are the best team and they're just much better especially without LeBron James but I think one thing that we've seen in recent weeks

including this game obviously they need another athletic wing really really badly. They are a slow, slow team which is always going to be a thing with Luca Donchich hopefully getting their second round pick a dude thiro

into the lineup eventually when he's back from injury. Hopefully he can add an injection of speed at least when he's out there just running around being fast, running in transition. They need those type of young guys that can just move up and down the court

and obviously a wing defender is the other half of that but especially when that's athletic and can give them some type of juice because Ruehachimura as your best wing is not that at all doesn't crash the boards whatsoever doesn't run in transition whatsoever

isn't an on ball defender they need another guy there that can flank Austin Reeves and Luca with some type of athleticism yeah like bro the game was interesting for like maybe five minutes and after that not even the next like

they were somewhat in it for five minutes and then after that the next 16 minutes 10 minutes later, but 11 minutes later, it was fucking over. Yeah, it was only five minutes because they,

they missed their first couple shots. Yeah. And then they, they just didn't miss. Like, they put a graphic on the screen where it was like

the Thunder, oh, they started the game, O for three. Then they went seven for seven until Case of Wallace took some terrible layout. But like,

they were, they were just on fire. They were just clicking. And so it is very scary that J-Dubs not here yet. They're going to win it all again, man. It's good.

So much overanalyzing of the Western conference picture this season they're gonna win it all yeah they were my okay c was my team you already said all the words for me again they have no fucking no they weren't what we both no no no he said it no okay okay no i was like you switched it already no they're all my team on this list and you said all the words already like they have no issues at all the only issue that they could anybody could possibly like conjure up you got to be super big brain tinfo hat how all they're making all these NBA teams suffer they're like the in real life debt collectors

of the fucking NBA bra it's like hey buddy you remember me yell me pay up and the worst possible times when you're down bad so I guess I'm like a like their salt licto yeah yeah yeah exactly like great show by the way when you miss it you said they're what salt licto you're it's south beach toe no they're salt licto they had another one what are y'all talking about. Was it South Beach shows? It's South Beach

there were multiple toes It's in North Carolina and there's one in Miami. What are these toes we're speaking of? On

Chew TV yeah Yep, yep, yep, yep. You remember the black lady with the dreads? She was Miami, I think.

South Lake told you right. Oh, that's what tow truck. Yes. I thought you were saying toe there were multiple shows on two TV

that were going around when they were just had people repo and just take it while the kids are in a player car or just fuck that

situation. They should go repo and Visa Zubbox. exactly okay c are the repo guys you're the worst tow truck company the fucking world it's like that dude on ticot a couple years ago where he was the repo man and he would rip on somebody and played the baby in the back i remember that guy he was hooping he had a run is he still posted i bet he is i don't know but people they were trying to like fight him every single time there was a couple times when he got caught i remember that guy the guy was the best

You know, that show was so fucking dramatic for no reason, top of the year. But, yeah, okay, Cs in a league of their own. They are clearly the best team in the NBA. It feels in many ways that they're better than last year. They are just so unbelievably dominant right now. It's early season, but, like, their defensive metrics are just outlandish. They're having, like, a defensive rating that'd be the best in the league in 2004. Like, it's truly insane.

That doesn't make any sense. The show was called Lizard lick. Lizard lick toe. That's what it was. Lizard lick. That's so fucking funny. I hope that this game, though, put to bed all the stupid shit that was all over every television network talking about, does this team need LeBron James? I think they're better off without LeBron James, actually.

You see them play a real good team without LeBron, and they get immediate belts. They need LeBron badly, and they need him to play very well. He can't just be 41-year-old playing 20 minutes a game. He's a man, has come off the bench. He needs to be a star still. Yeah, very rarely do I ever really believe that, like, losing your best player makes you better? There's a couple of instances where I feel like, yeah, where it works. But the Lakers are not one of them.

Yeah, they need LeBron. And so much, LeBron isn't going to single-handly fix every issue. Like I said, they need a hopefully youngish, but they need a wing defender that's athletic and can run. They need that badly. When we did our tier ranking last week, we put them in the contender tier, just because we assume when LeBronka's back, he'll fix so much. I came into that thinking really their one move away. That was a tier they should have been in because they need a wing really badly. I would like for it to be a guy like Dylan Brooks

who can fight over a screen and be a good shooter and be a on ball defender but he's not super athletic so that's why people go towards like an Andrew Wiggins a guy who we know has vertical can hit the boards can run in transition they need that really badly

so I think LeBron will fix a lot of the issues the OKC Thunder destroyed them because they were just blitzing and just dominating Luca on the pick and roll Kays and Walsh getting into his chest they were hedging really hard with Alex Caruso and he tried to do

small to small screens Luca couldn't get any he couldn't get a single foot inside the three point line. So he was settling for step back three after step back three that was going nowhere because once again, Kason Wallace was looking up his nose. He was on him. You can't do that quite as easily if you have LeBron James being the screener, being the guy

in a short role. He fixes a lot of their problems offensively, but not their wing athleticism one. Yeah, the Lakers are just sadly when it comes to, again, facing championship contenders, like the contender for the next, I don't know, five, ten years, an O KC, they're just too easy to fucking guard, breath, so. Yeah, and LeBron will fix that. When LeBron comes in, speed up the offense a little bit, add more wrinkles and layers to the cake.

Things will be better. Yep. It'll be all right. Bring me LeBron. Trade Dalton Connect for Keon Ellis with a pick. Trade Gabe. You think the Kings want to help you guys? The Kings are stupid and we'll take what they can get.

They'll take these two second round picks in Dalton Connect and they'll like it. And then we trade the rest of our contracts and our first round pick for Andrew Wiggins and we're up. Vlad would never do that. I don't know why you think that. Vlad would never do that. I can't put anything about. I don't know why that. You think you would help out the lake?

Well, I don't know how they think of Keanu. Yeah, for years, they were trying to get Kyle Kuzma from the Lakers. They're open to trade him with the Lakers. We'll see. Remember those rumors for like three straight years that they wanted him bad. They almost traded Kyle Kuzma for Bialisa back in 2020. That was a big rumor for years. Lakers needed some spacing back then.

They were dying to get Kyle Kuzma. That's nasty work. Name on Billy's. I guess another big wing defender, get LeBron back in the door. Does the early problems. Those two positions. All right. Next team, the Philadelphia 76ers.

Okay. Guess what it is? I don't know. You got to tell me. I'm not familiar with the 76ers. I've never seen this team before. What's the headline? The only thing that I could guess is like, I don't know, oath maybe? Of course.

Of course. Already, and beat his miss four of the last six games. He is day to day with knee-sortness. And this is always the stuff that's even more worrying than, oh, he's actually hurt. Is he's just walking around playing basketball. And it's knee soreness, right? And I think that not having, not having it Embed and not having him at full strength. Obviously, you are on your last legs of any type of hope of winning with this core.

If you still want to consider, you know, Embed and Paul George, who's on the way back to playing, none of it is going to work if Embed isn't the normal MBED that you expect. And he is obviously, he's Embed and he can go out and he can score 20 points in his sleep. he does not move well right now and he does he does not look like the joel imbid of even a year and a half ago of nine months ago the umbid that we were seeing in the olympics in 24 that version is gone and so i think like having having your your three best players be some combination of maxi v j grimes and uh and mcane it's much easier to to have combinations of those three players when you have a very dominant big man in the back,

covering up everybody defensively. That's not there anymore. And that's just kind of like where we're at with the sixers. I'm past caring about Joel and Beatton and Paul George. That is what it is. Yeah. I think the biggest problem is this funny tweet I saw yesterday. In the third quarter, they have the offensive rating that would be 30th or points

per game that would be 30th in the NBA. Every other quarter to their top five in points scored. Why are they incapable of scoring in third quarter? why do they come out of half time and lay an egg every game make every game a fucking gunfight in the fourth quarter that's peak entertainment i've no fucking i've lost so many close quarter close fourth quarter finishes of the 76ers this year and this is every third quarter they get bruised yeah yeah they do up until the fourth quarter comes around and tyrese max he just locks the fuck i know then he has guys like trying to wafer who's fucking spec not i'm not going to say special like oh like one of the best players but like yo he's a very pleasant surprise in one of the like wearing positive traits from the Sixers this year. Yeah, I guess another early small problem is after the first three games,

VJ Cum was hit a little bit for Ricky Wall and their fans are panicking because they had declared him that's not one tweet where some, you know, the first few games, VJGICOM was going crazy,

the fans were happy, somebody quoted it and said, y'all got to relax, he'll probably never be better than Jimmy Butler. That's like the best outcome. And they were like, who do you think Jimmy Butler is?

We're aiming way higher than that. So they'd already told themselves that he's a second coming of Jesus Christ in year one. So now he's had some regular rookie performances where he's shooting quite poorly and they're panicking. Which is, which is, again, it's fine. The best thing about VJKOM and the stuff that was also very apparent in the first

couple games when he was hooping is that his impact is not 100% based on his score. Like he's already had like really, really big game shifting, momentum saving plays that have nothing to do with him shooting the ball. If you, like if you go to the Boston game, he met Jalen Brown at the rim, locked him and was able to come down and still facilitate offense and make the right passes. He's, he's fine. Yeah, he'll be fine. It's okay. Early season's problem is you guys had to recalibur your expectations about a rookie guard that is like 6-1. You guys need to let him have time to develop because he's not going to be 25. He's not 6-1. That's OV. Small.

He's 5. He's 5. Yes. He's bigger. He's like 6-4. I was joking about 6-1. I was joking to say he's smaller than you list for that? I know he's not six one. He's not six five. Huh? I think six three. I don't think he's six. I don't think he's six four. Maybe six three and a half. He's not six one, but I'd say to say he's literally six five. There's no chance in hell. He's six five is what I was saying. Yeah. I think he might be closer. I don't know. So closer to six one and six five would mean six two and a half. I think he might be six two and a half six three. He looks visibly visibly bigger than Tyrese maxi tall his entire. Again, Maxie's height might also be a little. I don't know. little bit inflated and maybe it's because he's like he's like thinner shoulders and he's like a little bit like he's still a rookie build but he looks small out there so max he's listed at as six two I think I think he might be six two and a half nah I think he's a little bit bigger

than that but neither to say you're right there are small as fucking there's nothing they can do about it yeah so I had to say they're small so he plays like a small guard right now so give him time to develop is what I'm saying like don't expect too much right away yeah these last few games from has been like pretty nasty two for 11 three for nine five for 15 three for 14 four for 12 it's been very cool start but it's fine it's okay he's a rookie we're we're in the first 10 to 12 games of the season just relax just because he went crazy in the first three games it if he had like it would have been better then for for people's expectations if he just had like mad regular

games like he's not going to be you know luca where from year one he's averaging 24 points a a game and now he's first team all NBA consecutively like for a majority of players it's going to take a little bit of time and that's perfectly fine yeah exactly vj was mentioned at the combine at six four without shoes that that checks out yeah so okay he feels real small at there he looked short but okay yeah uh who's next next team let's go ahead and talk about the houston rockets okay they've been just fine so far this year reach separate i think everyone had like tremendous expectations for him to at least like produce positive on the court and that's exactly what he's doing. Kevin Durant still looks like Katie he hasn't aged well he's aged obviously

but not to an insane degree. I completely disagree. What do you why so? In terms of like he looked the same like to rush it off. Oh, my mind. He's not a problem. He's not a problem at all. Sangoon still developing. You feel good about this scene. They're like seven and three. One of the better teams in the Western Conference. I think right now one of the bigger problems. One of the bigger problems, at least for me, is that they've fallen off defensively slightly. So maybe that's because of the whole Kevin Durant thing and you're playing a smaller guard and Reed Shepard. But what's really painful is seeing how careless and reckless they've been with the

ball. And naturally, of course, you are, you don't have no table setter consistently at all. They're 27th in the league in turnovers. Turnovers last year, they took care of the ball very well with Fred in the scene, and Jaylon Green on the scene and Dylan, not Dylan Brooks. Yeah, oh yeah, Dylan Brooks on the scene too So last year they're 11th This year the 27th

That's a huge fucking issue And that just causes unnecessary points of possessions To be just giving up for no reason Now of course they're really because they make it all up Because they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league Probably the best statistically And but I think when it comes to thinking about their Playoff ceiling it gets a lot lower

When you can do the simple stuff Which is just give the team Careless, needless possessions 100%. All that's me that you've mentioned at the end is why

I wouldn't say Katie just looks like Katie isn't lost this type or whatever. His playmaking and handle combination of assist

turnover, all that stuff general playmaking has looked rough. It looks like he's way overtax which you expected when they lost

their point guard so this all stands to reason. Early season problem to me is they got to find a way to ask less of Katie as a

playmaker. He looks it's probably because the spacing in the south they have to play there's such a lack of

speed to his playmaking right now where a lot of these turnovers I think are because he's just processing it really slow and just handling really slow and like wants to play his style of like not even his style because I think it's slower than it used to be it's like he wants to play a very methodical

slower playmaking approach from the wing and I just feel like that's why teams are speeding him up because the lack of processing speed with the lack of spacing is really easy to get into his body and get into those passing lanes when you don't have to worry about the shooters around him I want to see significantly less playmaking responsibility from KD

I I would I would say yes but then also who like where's that where's that coming exactly it can't come anywhere right now that's that's the that's the that's the trade thing and but that's more of like a a like foundational issue than like early season issue or you know like see the foundation issues early season but we also like we knew this is gonna yeah exactly right so i yeah it's really hard to classify it as like early season it might just be the problem with the with the rockets and I can 100% think like if we're doing something like this where we're we're we're going

into the playoffs and it's like one one major flaw for every for every team going into the playoffs we probably are still going to be talking about the fact that they can't dribble they turn the ball over at a at a high rate they're letting teams back into games because they turn the ball over and every time that they have an opportunity to take a lead from 14 to 20 and really you know really open the game up that doesn't happen you get a run the out the opportunity opposite way and teams like the same thing that that you said once you get into the playoffs and you start playing better teams if you play you play okay see a healthy okay see they're going to capitalize on that if you give yokech extra possessions he's going to capitalize on that and so

i don't i'm i am a little bit worried about their like long-term ceiling because one to two possessions in a playoff series is killer and in every single game and they they give it up yeah and i don't know it's one of those problems that you can identify and they're There probably is something they can do about it besides the trade. I don't know. I've top of my head how you do it, but there's certainly ways to deploy Kevin Rand a little bit differently that you aren't asking him to do quite as much playmaking.

It will probably be probably no matter what just because of the roster constructions. But I'm sure there's levers that can pull and things they can slightly adjust to just put a little bit less pressure on him. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It would be super helpful, of course, if guys like a man and Reed Shepard were already there

as playmakers and lead guards and just did at least rudimentary job of setting the table at a decent, well level but that's just you just can't expect that out of under playing not out of position necessarily but that just hasn't been their bag yeah so yeah the rocket issue is exactly what we thought to be preseason it's just they're a great team because the defense because the rebounding because the sangoon playmaking the kevin grant playmaking i think it's probably a hair worse than you would have assumed it would be preseason just based on what we saw from recent years so be it we

are no need to point guard we still do yeah exactly but hey like they're still number one in offense they take the least amount of threes in the league they go to the fucking rim all the fucking time. They're one of the league's best. Oh, they get to the fucking rim off. Of course, they always are at the free throw line as well. So they're fighting the ways around this. But I think we can all see how the story comes to an end by May or by.

Yeah, in the playoffs. They'll need to get a body to deadline. And I'm sure they will. Whether or not it's a great player or someone just good enough to address that issue, they'll probably address it some way. Ben Simmons. What's you doing, man? Oh, my God.

What's you long, man. She's not on anything. Next team we can talk about. Let's talk about the Dallas Mavericks. Let's keep it in Texas. You. One early problem that this team has, as of today, as of November 13th, Anthony Davis is still on the roster.

That's the only problem. Anthony Davis has not been traded yet. And until he does get traded, it will be a problem. I don't even care to talk about the on-court product of this team right now. They stopped doing Cooper Flagg at point guard quite as much. He's looked better. Surprise, surprise. That's good.

Cooper Flagg is looking better day by day. Anthony Davis is at home more day by day. is not healthy at the moment as soon as he gets healthy we need to play him seven good games in a row so we can trade him and maximize our value

and tank this season so we can get a high pick before we lose control of our draft picks for the four years after that to me that's the only thing that matters now post Nico Harrison firing

we no longer have the excuse that we can't trade AD because that would invalidate the Luca trade and Nico has the ego to keep him around all that is gone it is now abundantly clear

he needs to be traded probably Clay Thompson if you can get anything for him I don't really know they need to tear it down and try to tank and just maximize Cooper Flags development, put him in a good position to succeed,

prioritize Brandon Williams, whatever other young guys you want to keep around around them and give a good all-fashioned tank job. I'm glad you brought up Clay because I'm with that. I think they, you trade everybody and they are, Carrie's lucky he's hurt. Because if he wasn't, I would trade him.

We think it's a good value for healthy Kyrie. Right. And yeah, this whole experiment has obviously, with Nico being fired, the whole experiment's done. you lost the trade it's it's over it's done with you can move forward and the only thing that is going to make anybody happy at this point is returning to some sort of normalcy which is we got the number one overall pick we know that we're in a in a rebuild for real for a row now let's

operate like a real team that's in a rebuild and not one that has pseudo competing um aspirations where do you want to see nth davis go have you guys thought about actual potential situations for him I've seen a lot of terrible trades. People are like put them on the bucks or put them on the pistons. And like in theory that would work or for what they'd have to give up monetarily, you'd really be stripping

a lot of important parts of those teams so I don't think it really makes sense for this current year. Yeah. Is there anybody that actually would make sense when you think about the contracts that can actually get rid of? I said it on the stream as a joke

but I really want to see them on the Knicks. On the Knicks? I think that would be an amazing fit for both teams. The Dallas Mavericks just need to be fucking competent because they would have no pathway to go ahead and have a certain amount of stable players

are onside Cooper Fagg who lead well into his game can space the fucking floor and shoot really well. That I think when it comes to Carl Anthony Towns, do you expect them to just be like, give you a decent floor and be reliable, be healthy, and be somewhat not young, but he can play up to this degree for the next like at least three or four years.

You don't expect that much. For something like Anthony Davis, he will lead you into a championship because of the still one of the better room finishers not rim finishers but room defenders the league has to offer he's still at his best at worst even at this age i think he's going to be like a bare minimum top 17 player in the league i think the ceiling is like tremendous if i'm the maves i want no parts of cat i'm trading him right after that happens to it i'm getting rid of him as well why would they want a 30 year old star that like that there's nothing for the timeline for trying to rebuild get him out of here too and a three team deal but i do i mean obviously the hell thing is the question mark. We're now entering a part where after they did the trade last year, Anthony Davis immediately got hurt,

came back at the end of the year, clearly rushing back, it didn't look great, didn't look like himself. We knew he was come off an injury and we shouldn't really expect him to look like Anthony Davis, but it was pretty apparent that he wasn't playing 100%.

Coming to this season, he immediately gets hurt again, tries to come back. Once again, we have reports on Nuku Harris and try to rush him back and the team doctor said no because it's a risk for Achilles tear

if you play on this calf, the same way we've seen many times. Yeah. The injuries are really starting to pile up, and he's only getting older. And I think we saw a few years with the injuries weren't really that big of an issue for the Lakers. We'll always have tiki-tack stuff and we'll always miss a good amount of games. But we've went a few years without a month or two long injuries. I think it's fair now to really, really question if we're ever going to have another season without those big injuries.

So that part would concern me for the Knicks who are as all-in as all-in gets. If they don't make the finals this year, you're not going to have a better year to make it. So you have to be damn sure you have a better chance with Anthony Davis. And on the court, I do agree with you. could be a better chance of winning the finals if you got him healthy than the cat

but man getting their stuff last five years before this year games played 36 40 56 76 76 51 there's one year over 60 games

and he's probably not gonna play 60 games this year so and like 56 is okay yeah like 51 and that's that's borderline 56 was before he turned 30 he's 32 right now and he's not exactly

the athleticism isn't necessarily like aging super well. Yeah. It's not going to happen. I will say, going off of one Photoshop that I saw on Twitter, I would love to see him in Chicago with the Bulls. He looked like he fit.

The storyline wise, too, it would be fun. Yeah. But they're all about speed now and they have this whole thing going on. I don't really care about that. They've lost many games in a row. I'm not someone that's bought in on like, we've got to get this vision executed. But I do buy that having a vision is important for them for whatever their fucking goals are. Do you think 80 is a good fit there for that?

Okay, so like, if Vooch could do it, he could do it. Yes, but also playing, playing fast, it's very fun when you suck. It's like, it's so, so fun when you have no expectations. Like, these guys, they just get out and run and they play so hard. The first six games, all the, all the Bulls fans are like, hey, you know, maybe this is a real team. The way you get to be a real team is either A, you add more talent or you play some actual defense. and adding AD would solve both of those and I think that it would

it would bring a little bit more legitimacy to what the Bull's operation is and depending on his health situation you would still be able to secure your spot in the play in the way that you do every single year and you would still be able to be competitive and compete for you know maybe we could be actually frisky in the first round

it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world would you give up Kobe White Patrick Williams in a pick? Sure. That sucks for the Mavericks. I'd rather have Cat, but sure. I mean, I don't love Cat if I want to win. I don't, because I feel like I can get some more for Kobe White and not give up a pick

for a 32-year-old 80? I mean, 32, not 38. So I think he does still have value for these one more trade. Well, 80s 32 feel like 36. No, I get it. I get it. I just feel like the market probably won't be in. He's not in Bede in that way, that like people feel like.

there's no chance to say it's healthy you can't add value to a deal like yeah I think he probably has one more deal where he brings

something of value yeah I agree whether or not whether it's right or wrong time will tell I don't know if it would be a good trade but I just think

they'd probably have enough leverage should get something from a team I think of outside of the Knicks who are who would trade AD

for actual like aspiration want to win a championship also real quick they also wouldn't do that it's it's big CAA over here and

you know he's a clutch yeah he's a clench Yeah, he's club guys. Nah, I don't care about that. But I guess so. But that stuff does mean something. You're right.

Outside of that team when it comes to thinking about what contender could try to trade for AD to make a real run or at least be like an actual pain point to deal with in the playoffs. For me, I think about the Minnesota Timberwolves. Now it's tough because, okay, Rudy Gober is getting old. And if you do so, if you do want to do this trade, how would it work logistically? does jane mcdaniel be added into that or do you fill out a way exactly to like add on other salary on top of ruddy gobert and then when you talk about rudy gober it's like he's literally the identity of this team what does go bear on the back end i'm i'm looking it up right now something disgusting if it's 40 something that's close to a d a didn't make that much so gobert

right now uh he's just started a three year extension damn he just started three year extension oh yeah 35 35 this year 36 and a half next year and then the The last year is a player option for 38. Okay. And what's AD at mid-40s? Yeah, some like that. I would check that as well. I don't remember what salary filler the Timberwolves have.

I'm assuming it's a $10 million contract they don't want. But then again, these days, these good teams have less and less salary filler because they're making the most of their money. Okay. AD, three years left. 54 this year, 58 and a half next year, player option for a 62.7 the year after. All right. You trade Nas Reed and Gobert for Anthony Davis. If you thought

Anthony Davis would be healthy I would do that for them But I don't think he's gonna be healthy How long is AD's career Or his contract? Both have Both have three year contracts Two years with the play option

Maybe if I didn't lose to kill Alexander Walker I'd feel okay about doing a two-for-one Then that's why If you traded AD to the Tim Wolves And you had to put Gobert And Osree You have no depth What's whatsoever

Like you really are asking Taryn Shannon to be like Hey you have to come in and be six men of the year right now and we lose not so we lose the power forward what's the Leonard Miller you're ready to finally play NBA basketball for the first time yeah yeah that's tough

I don't that that wouldn't it would be too big of a part of their identity so yeah the point is I don't know who there's no clear team I've seen some people float out Miami Heat again bam why would I want to do that and it's the antithesis of their current play style that's making it work so well I do think you can play BAM and 80 together that could probably

be pretty filthy but the way they want to play is so ball handling dependent and so putting the ball on the court keeping it moving real fast that is not current day ad the ball handling is gone he is a he's a rich man's really go bare now in terms of like he want to have him be a downfield down the downhill pick and roll finisher give him dump offs give him some post touches close up i don't want him attacking from the three point line anymore those days of him being a ball handler putting it on the court from up high those days are gone yeah yeah yeah i can i can agree with that so i thought of that like any team that trades for ad in general doesn't matter you're going to do be doing this trade

with risk and I think that more often than I will find teams who are up to nothing teams are just trying to establish themselves like the charlain hoards go ahead and do something like that but even then I'm like brother got cock running it like he's hooping why the fuck would you want to mess with that so it's hard to talk about an ad trade right now maybe like the grizzlies if they have to trade jaw and get somebody else expensive in the door in a three team deal they just want to build around jaron and ad sure I guess but that's like that'd be a complicated three team trade like that's nasty within itself too because like Like, if you, you ship, they're too smart.

They're too smart to want an injury product. Yeah, but if you, if you ship Derek White out there and then you, you get AD this year, it's a loss year anyway. You should say, listen, come here, rehab, you'll be. Where's the money being brought up, though? Like, that's, Eric White makes significantly less. Derrily means half of that. Yeah, it makes 30. I don't know.

You got to bring in some other people. Yeah, you got to be creative. 76ers? No. Hell no. You ship up Paul George? We already got our own issues. You ship up Paul George?

Get that money out of there and you have AD? We have to attach like a pick up here, so I'm good. For the Mavericks fans, dude, I wouldn't wish that on you. A wing duo of Clayton and Paul George right now. Rappers. R.J.

That's the theme song of the year. Would you should R.J. Barry and Immanuel quickly. Just two step in it. So, worst. I would not. I would have any other than me to experience that.

Fuck. Roger Barrett and Emmanuel quickly for Anthony Davis. R.J. Barry and Emmanuel. What does Yacopoto make? I don't know. He just got an extension this year. Purdle and quickly.

Actually, he's on extension so you can't trade him now. Let's do it. They will be traded for the rest of their careers together. And like quickly, shout to him. And honestly, we can take this time to transition over to Toronto. We have to. But like, and, okay, so shout out to Qaeda because the last couple games he has been playing well. Before that, he was looking like one of the worst contracts in the league.

He's fine now. It's okay. I think for them. Two games got you saying he's fine now. He's okay. Three games? Oh, great. Okay. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's getting.

The last three, the last couple games have not looked like he is the worst player in, in the league. And it was looking, it was looking. Oh, yeah, he's not the worst player in the league. Yeah, it was looking pretty bad. Okay, what's your Raptors early season problem? Um, so they are not good enough at defending the room. Like, they are, they are bottom three in the league in terms of volume.

And so like, for, for them to allow people to get to the rim as much as they do, the, the tradeoff isn't there. Like, there's a lot of teams where, yeah, they, they're, they're, if you, You look at like people, people's efficiency whenever they get to the rim, it is pretty high. But then you look at the volume and it's like, oh, people barely get there anyways. It's fine. It nets out. Their defense and where it's at right now, it's not amazing.

They also foul a lot. So I think, like, they are, their defense kind of feels a little bit flimsy and still, like, in a transitional state. Like, they're still trying to figure out what they want to be. And obviously, like, we see that on the floor. We saw them very, very early on, commit to this very, like, high-pressurized defensive system. They moved away from that. So they're still trying to figure out where they want to hang their hat on defensively.

But right now, that's something that they should figure out because their trio of B.I., Scotty, and RJ, that trio has been playing well. And that trio has been looking good. And so offensively, you have something there. I think they just need to figure out what they want to do and where they can really elevate defensively. So that's the early problem for the Raptors.

Okay, checks out. Yeah, they've been playing a lot better as of late. I remember earlier in the year. And even the offseason two, we're all like, oh, they got B.I. now is like, R.J.B.A. really that useful? Do you want to keep him around? And it's hard because not homegrown talent,

but he's a homegrown product, I guess, because he's Canadian, too, and he's not playing terrible, need per se. But I feel like this team is in the loom for sure, for like escaping mid which is what they are right now which is like way better than what they've been over the last few years

to like okay like you can be a decently sized 45 one team 44 one team once you figure out a way to maximize truly BIA and Scotty Barnes but they're right now they're solid also plus their

their bench guys like they are very very very inconsistent and like Jacoby Walter hey buddy I'm gonna need you to step up Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that's wrapped us talk for the day. Okay, let's get this thing here out the way real quick.

You want to talk about the Hornets? Hell not, but it's your team, not mine. Let's go ahead and do it. The Hornets, for the first time in goddamn absence, I don't know when, have a decent paint defense, bro. So that's, like, amazing for him. Con is a great rookie, but I fear none of that shit matters because the Mellow Ball is once again injured.

To guess what? Surprise, surprise, surprise. It's fucking ankle. At this point, I think we need to be, beyond panicking about these ankles. We've talked about it for years now that like these ankles, man, what's going on? And we keep referencing it ingest. Like when you tape his ankles up, this is clearly a debilitating issue that's going year after year, derailing seasons for him.

Like I think this deserves more panic than even Hornets fans are giving it. Yeah, I agree with you because like as great are not great as they've taken like a little bit more. A couple more stuff to be a serious franchise like Honda's great, bro. You have all these other random bodies who are actually producing decent basketball. You're a regular NBA team now. It's still not good, but you're regular, bro. You're regular bad.

It doesn't matter because your whole organization is clouded by like, okay, we're bad. But we have a chance to be somewhat decent. But this superstar guy, at least view as a superstar in our own light, make so much money. We are building around him. We don't take point guards. You don't, like, we drive a certain way because of you, and you're not even here. Like, what do we do? 25% of their cap for the next four seasons, 37,000, 40 million, 45,000, 46 million.

and to add to a guy who just cannot play. Like, we're entering panic territory pretty soon by the lamella ball thing. And it's a goddamn shame because you mentioned that they look a little more competent now. They look very competent. Their ability to generate threes has been incredible. When they got Charles Lee from the Celtics,

fresh off of the year where the Celtics like mastered NBA math by doing the crazy three-point volume thing, the thought was that he would go in there and make their offense competent and build around the mellel the right way, doing Celtics basketball, doing math ball and getting lamella ball to get his three-point value up high, great pain touches, keep the ball moving to the teammates

and so forth. But last year, the talent was an utter disaster. It looked horrible. We couldn't even really tell if Charles Lee was a good coach. With Con this year and with Calcrenner being a more than competent defensive rebounder and Big Man down low, I think we're seeing that. I think we're seeing him install a very, very competent offensive system that plays modern NBA basketball, that if Lamella was healthy and if Brandon Miller was healthy,

they continue to be one of the top offenses in the league. Like they were for those first three games. That, to me, felt somewhat real. As you speak right now, they are the 15th best offense in the league. Biggest improvement considering they're the worst. offensive in the league last year. And they would have been top five if Lamello and Brandon Miller were playing.

I feel pretty good about that. Does it matter? Does it matter at all? Did I feel good about that? I don't think it matters whatsoever because how many years can we do this a Mello ball thing? It's entering Zion Williamson territory

where I just feel like I cannot have any faith anymore that even if I like Lamello ball and I feel good about the style of play and I say if Brandon Miller didn't get these unlucky injuries, that him and Lamella would be one of the more encouraging young duos in the league with a smart coach

and Kahn is going to be a fantastic fit around that I can sell myself on his vision now a little bit. Doesn't matter. I feel nothing matters. No, it doesn't matter. He had Lamello games played. His rookie year, he played 51. Second year, 75.

Since then, 36, 22, 47, and then six games this year. He's already missed half of the season so far. Exactly. Unless Steph Curry opens a sleepaway camp that you can send Lamella ball to and help him and give him the, secret sauce that helped him fix his ankles unless that is the case this is Zion Williamson territory he's already there he's already there he has the one season I saw the he had the one season early on where he scored where he played 70 games and then that's

that's it I don't think that he is somebody that at this point dictates should dictate dictate how you how you draft I don't think that he is somebody right now that should dictate the transactions that you are making on a year-by-year basis. I 100% disagree. He should dictate your transactions because your number one point should be trading him to some team that is willing to believe in his health. Fair.

I mean like transactions in terms of building around Lamello. Yeah, when you go the other way, it's not that he shouldn't dictate it, it's that we need to actively make him no longer part of this plan, I think. Fair. If you feel good about Charles Lee and you want to give him a chance to have a roster that is somewhat viable,

if you want to make sure that Charles Lee is a good coach and make it so he has enough of a chance that you don't feel like he has to be fired, like a lot of these other coaches that don't get a chance are. I don't think he can be a part of this long-term vision. And that's not indictment on a style of play on his care for basketballs, professionalism, his leadership, its efficiency, anything, that's all secondary. My opinion on that is a mute point now, if we feel like we cannot rely on him.

And that's so wildly unfair and it feels like the Charlotte Horn says the fans have been constantly robbed. We're like, bro, call-brunners should be talked about as the steel of the 2025 NBA draft. We should be talking about how con canipal has looked like the best rookie consistently throughout the entirety of the year. But none of it fucking matters at the end of the day because you continuously have this big cloud around. You have this tank.

You have this stench on your organization because no one knows how to talk about you. No one can project your future. No one can sit down and talk about how, oh, yeah, this insane star duo, cool people. It doesn't matter. No one cares. And we haven't even touched on the fact that Brandon Miller also hasn't been healthy like ever. Yeah. Like at this point where he,

it becomes a point where you get so many years in row with like the same injury like LaMello that we just like can't give you great. anymore we're still in the give grace era to brandon miller because like it's been different injuries and it's only a couple years so it could just be nothing it could be lack of luck but damn being this unlucky with your two top picks quite unfortunate can't live like this man cannot live like this yeah early problem for the cornets you just can't live like this right or wrong you can't do it it's unfortunate let's talk about another team that can't live like this but we'll keep living like this and it will be funny to the rest of the world the los angeles clippers

are my next team um god damn Okay, I'm going to talk for you real quick, okay? Something that's been so fucking annoying. I love the clips. Take it away. They've been like one of the constantly, like one of the more surprising teams in the goddamn lead because it's like, oh, like this is the year that fell off. Nope, they don't. They just go ahead and roll out one of the six, seven best defenses that the league has to offer constantly, bro.

And they just get carried by the coast of James Harder. And he shows them you the best like 24 minutes that the league fucking has to offer. offer, brother. And then it falls off of a cliff. I think right now what something that the clippers are terrible at is developing young talent. You can't name one singular young player that they've sat down, especially a guard that they've sat down and developed to a degree to where to where they're actually like relied upon. The only young player on the, the only team that they have, young player that they've sat down and developed his Zubotch. Outside of that, they trade everyone. They don't develop anyone. They don't give anyone time or luck. And that's something that

Tyloo, that's not necessarily his bag to have no one to show for it. And it's bleeding right now because you don't have normal power anymore. We didn't talk about it yet, obviously, because Bradley Beale, he went ahead and broke his hip, he's out for the fucking year. Times like this is when you rely on your developmental team on these young players and you want to see someone get more of a scoring load, get more opportunity, and now they're in dire needed that because Hardin is doing all this shit himself. Kauai is Kauai's letter.

I'm not going to rely on him. You have nothing to rely on at all, bro, so. Yokish just dropped 55 on the Yokit Stopper, outscoring their starters in the game. Yeah, I think he had 50 by the time the third quarter ended. Yeah, probably. Yeah, he had, he had 40-something. He missed like five shots on the night.

He missed three of his first four shots. Yeah, so Mo just had a whole lot of frustration. He just let it all out in the clipperies. Early problem is they're horrible at offense right now. They are 22nd and offensive rating. They are 28th in turnover percentage. They're 19th in offensive rebunk. percentage 26th and free throw rates they do not do anything particularly well on the

offensive end their half court offensive rating is 12th for that for them to be viable that needs to be top five for the way they play this slow with james hard and quiet leonard and zubash is your best players they're obviously not going to be some fantastic transition team they have to be top flight half court offense executing perfectly they are not that in any way they aren't that good at anything. And that's a problem because they're old. Their starting center in Zubach is having a down year after last year in which he made himself an all-star. Brooke Lopez

is beyond cooked. Chris Paul is beyond Cook. Barely even plays anymore. They brought in Bradley Beal to be the Norm Powell replacement so they could trade Norm Powell for John Collins to give them some, I don't know, versatility in the front court. Give them another wing who can run the court, shoot threes, get this different

type of style. They haven't had a real power forward in a long time. Kauai Leonard has essentially been their power forward. So they wanted to look there and thought John Collins would be a good fit. So they get rid of Norm Powell. Norm Powell has been the biggest, most missed part of this team by far. They brought him Bradley Beal to come replace him and say, we give him less money, we can get a close to proximate version of what Norm Powell gave us. Nope, he fell off completely. He is beyond cooked. And now he's out for the season. So you can't even tell yourself that he'll get better because he's gone and some fans

will celebrate and say, woo, no Bradley Beal, don't kind of play him anymore. Now you have an exactly 0% chance of replacing Norm Powell. So you are just a worst team now without a player who was very important as the play finisher next to Hardin, who is a slow player. Norm Powell is 6'5 Michael Porter Jr. He'll get that shut up immediately. No hesitation over closeouts.

Nobody on this team can do that in the half court. Now they're starting Chris Dunn, not going to shoot over a closeout. Quay Leonard is going to play slow and not necessarily pull it running off a screen. Lord knows Derek Jones Jr. isn't doing that. I don't know who is going to be the shooters to fit around this James Hardin's style of play. Yeah. They have no

guys and this is what happens when you don't develop your young talent but you can name there's not a single team of the league right now I said maybe like a few shitters but they stand out alone as the lone team that has no ability to find or seek any talent from the wing position at all they don't have no guys there who's the last good players the lakers picked uh well okay yeah i will say dalton connect is a person he exists and he is better than the the clippers guy i don't know that's true but it is true There's no one, Cam Christie? Tulta Kenneck doesn't play for a reason.

But nevertheless, these two teams are in the class of their own are being good teams that do nothing on the draft these past few years. And it's a problem. They have nothing to replenish it. They really do not, man. Everything we thought we'd see early last season when after the Paul George, we wrote this team off and said, that's the 11 seed right there.

It's been a good run, but how do you possibly rebound from that? If they rebounded from it because Norm Powell was there, James Harden and Zubach had a fantastic year, those two were having a slightly less fantastic year, and Norm Palo was no longer there. Feels like for watching the team we expected last year. And we gave them credit coming to this year because it proved us so wrong last year.

We said, okay, I guess we're not going to write them off until they show us we should. It's still too early in the season to do that. We've seen Tailu be the best coach in the world for stretches and figure things out on the fly. That possibility is still out there. I'm not here saying they need to blow it up and they need to figure out a new path forward.

I'll say that 40 games. That's the problem. But it's feeling real adjacent to that. It's feeling that the clock is goddamn ticking. Yeah. It's over. It probably is. It is done.

Like they, they... they fooled is the wrong word because they actually like did because they were they they were good last year and i i i 100% like believed them and everything that they were doing they were able to delay yes kind of the tear down that was going to have to happen when you when you have an all-in move like 2019 where you gave up all of these picks in this specific moment and one of those guys is gone now kawai's always hurt and you didn't get to reach the benefits. Even if they did win a championship, you knew that this was going to be the situation because you, you use all of your assets to go get Kauai and Paul George, and then

you use all of your assets again to go get James Hardin. So you have been, you have been dismissing first round picks for the last six or seven years. Yeah. This is, this is what it's come down to. So it's fine. And even if they do. And I'm very happy. Even if they do go ahead and trade Tailu, what do you expect you expect you the next coach to do there's nothing that he can do to make this roster work and go maybe you can change his offense yeah play like way faster sure but even then like congratulations you're the ninth seed you're the 10th seed like you're not there's no way out of the situation right now unless like coi lander magically gets healthy and plays the rest of the seasons that's the only way out yeah if he plays the rest of the season

which he never does and if he plays exceptional like he doesn't do anymore if he's once again a top 10 player sure we can get out of this somehow that's the last thing I want to bet on. That's not a safe bet. It could happen. We could get a good Quile landed season. That's not impossible. A good Quile landed season is like 58 games played and he's playing at like a third team all NBA level. That option is out there. Like I said, they're not a zero percent chance of figuring out how to turn the season around. They're not the Kings. They're not a team where we're just like absolute cooked. They had too much talent for that. Every day that goes on, it feels more and more Kingslike. We, you guys don't

understand how passionate I am about this because we as an NBA fan base need to see the Clippers be competent because again you mentioned earlier i think before the pod they don't have the like the full control of their pick at all and so okay c again the depth collector it's just rubbing their hands just waiting to go ahead and take your goddamn booty bruh that's what they do that's crazy okay uh they're taking their treasure right wait wait can you can you keep this too though because it says this has probably been said like a thousand times but the clippers franchise needs to be abolished for what they they created i agree with this and I'm thinking because we've gone through the teams

and there's always teams that we get up here and we're like, yeah, we'll breeze by them because they're not good. I'm about to do it with the Brooklyn Nets. We should cut the league down. We keep talking about expansion. Let's shrink it back down. You're right.

We talk a lot about relegation as a punishment. Abolishment is the next step. Listen, we shrink the league. We shrink the league style. Adam Silver loves soccer. Shrink the league, Premier League style. You're right. 20 teams in the league. every team plays each other four times a year 76 games we can lose six games it's fine the remaining 10 teams you are in a lower league with the European league and they're making one too you're right exactly and that's the relegation league that is the way that we need to go that's how we need to operate because there's always around 10 teams that just consistently year over year decade over decade you said we sent and chris done to albuquerque are some of the worst teams in in the world for a mad old beep all someone

like Chris Dunbar. We're instead of going to Stockholm. What the fuck you mean, but he'd love it over there. But yeah, that is, that's what we need to do. You're ready to speak Melbourne,

Kauai. He's so fucking mad. We're expanding worldwide. Yo, competition. You watch Beijing. Competition in the league would be at an all-time

fucking high. It would be so lit. It would be very funny because you know, like, from the secondary league, we get a YouTube vlog where it's like the episode

from the bear they send a whole boy to Kobe and he's out here like making patients on a boat like that that's what I need from Chris death. Oh, we're going to have Brooke Lopez finishing his career in Seoul. Yes, shrink the league. No more expensive. All right. Let's do a lighting round of all the crappy teams we have. All right, Brooklyn Nets, uh, one, you suck and you have no, you have no coach and nobody, nobody's having fun.

And you also don't play your rookies in a rebuild. You picked mad rookies. None of them play like over 22 minutes a game. This is ridiculous. This is why you have. them yeah this is what this time is for early season problem for them is that we don't know who the good point guard is yet we'll probably get one good one at this batch you know just playing the numbers i'd like to find that pretty soon i think we should prioritize that fair but easier

shut than done when you're coaching a team and you need to put a product out there that's like respectable two bad things i want to get out the way the indiana pacers everything the washington you get blocked a lot you dead last and rebounding easy conversation yeah the patient you just have no healthy bodies yeah i'm not watching the patient games right i won't even lie to you They have like 10 players injured. I'm not currently prioritizing them on a game by game basis. This is the bill for using devil magic

to get to the market. You got to pay eventually. Really what is just the bill for playing into goddamn June because all your players are hurt because they played extra games on everybody. So that's unfortunate.

Full court pressing for 10 months straight. It's crazy. That's hell. Yeah. It feels so bad for Pascal's Yacom right now, man. So bad. Yeah. So you're in a gap year

is what it is. Early season problem. you don't really have one you're kind of thinking it's kind of a good thing I mean it sucks for the guys bodies who are currently in pain but all as well will end well when you get Cam Boozer it'll be great you're your lightning team you said wizards yep wizards suck at rebound and get blocked a lot

it's not good right now yeah they're really not no what I really hate their team is so small yeah I'm dying for them to get a player that six foot nine everybody there like how shall how tall is Qishon George Kishon George he's six nine he's a full six nine yeah he's like six six seven he's bad he's he's a big I was going to say that's their like their big wing they have he plays power forward a lot for them yeah and is like the second biggest player on the court besides saar who is not a girthy center at all

like having those two be your biggest players I would like heishon george should be my third biggest player by a mile I want too much bigger bodies down there I'm so sick of watching he's like essentially four guard linings they put out there you're like he's on six seven yeah everybody else and say six and I got a good lord yeah he's six seven and he's like a shooting guard build and he plays so much power forward for them they play so many lineups with these skinny young guards, which is to be expected at this point in the team. I just want to see some wings. I want to see a Kyle Kuzman-sized body out there at some point.

They just need bigger guys in general. Yeah. And again, they're rebuilding. They're horrid. They're not making any progress this year. One more draft. Maybe we'll make some progress next year. They're truly horrid.

Yeah. Lightning Run teams that I have. Phoenix Suns, your biggest problem right now? They're a little bit better than Lightning Run teams. They're not like an embarrassment like those teams are. But it's real simple. Sorry, go ahead. Jalen Green is injured again.

Yeah. Your team is only going as far as the Jalen Green reclamation project takes you this year. Your real bet for being surprisingly sneaky confident, I mean sneaky competent and like making a plane run or something would be that Jalen Green being a quick trigger off the dribble shooter can play next to Devon Booker's slow methodical approach real well and that duo can be way better than anybody saw coming. He's heard again. He's out for a month. He played one game. He played 82 games like almost his entire career. In back to back years before this.

And then he gets here and his hamstrings are falling off. Just unfortunate. Your early season problems, you're just unlucky. Yeah. Do the Celtics count as a lightning round? If you don't got shit to say about them, go for it. All right, cool. They are soft as hell.

They do, they are bad at rebounding. They don't score in the paint. They don't have a lot of offensive creators. And things are not going good. They are six and seven. They're early season problems. You're winning too many games. You're six and seven.

You're going to be floating around the seventh seed instead of floating around the 13 seed. Yeah. Actually, they're 11 seed right now. Too high. We need to get far below. The teams in the Eastern Conference on the bottom are one in 10, one in 10, and one and eleven you have more losing to do you need to catch up a j debonsla is not going to be

handed to you we need to lose harder jaylon brown is scoring too well it's a problem playing less minutes uh what a layman teams do i have sacramental kings i don't even write anything dude they're so bro i saw they're starting lineup another team that would be in the bottom 10 in this other league yes relegation bro they started dennis schroeder uh westbrook demartorosen sub bonus against the hawks and the huts are we're going to talk about the later fine team or they got blown by like 30 right yeah i'm sorry kings fans let's try to give every team they're just do and talk about him a little bit your biggest early season problem and you haven't blown his bitch up yet we're going there so bonus needs to be gone we need to get some value from him and get whatever else you

possibly can for the rest of these guys well it was so funny you got to you guys have to catch td3 this week we did tuesdays it's one of the funniest close that i heard and it was so real because you don't hear it too often Zach Levine was like yeah like we don't have the necessary defensive lineup to go ahead and help propel this team to better than what they are right now and he was like, yeah, asking us to play defense is basically asking Rudy Gobert to drop 30. What do you want us to do?

That's so damning. They're horrible. I hate them. I really, really hate them. Utah Jazz is my last one. Biggest problem. I don't feel they have a ton of like huge problems because again, they're a rebuilding team.

That's had some spark to them. And I think a lot of the core pieces that play pretty well. You do have a little bit of a point card problem. trying to figure out who is going to be your point guard of the future. This isn't a major problem like a lot of these are. This is a good problem, I suppose. Collier versus Kichon versus Kianti George. I saw a game

the other night. They played the exact same minutes. They both played 22 minutes. Exactly. They split it evenly and they both performed. Actually, no. In that game, George played terribly and Collier had like 11 assists off the bench. Off the bench, though. They're so starting George, who started the year healthy. Figure out what you can do with a long-term point guard position.

If either of them is the answer, that's an interesting problem, but I guess some other problem. itself. Yeah. Which I don't know the answer to. No, neither. I was raving about Kishon recently. Kiante recently. I've Tiled off on, yeah, Kiante recently. I've told off on Utah games. I'm so excited to lock back in on them and seeing how, like,

they're kind of. My last lining around team, the Miami Heat, a lot of things have been going well for them, but, and however, they did just get beat by the G-League version of the Cleveland Cavaliers. And BAM didn't play. And so when BAM is not there, I think, like, the thing that I'm, that I'm curious to see just how much of a problem is going to be. Is like, can you still have somewhat of a competent defense without, without BAM? Or is everything one, like 1,000% based on, based on what he's doing?

Yes. And that's like, that's kind of, kind of worrying. Yeah. Other thing that this has been talked about to death, I don't have anything new to add to this. But the offense is going so well. This new pace that they're playing with is exceptional. This new, even more advanced version with the visitors are doing. last year with no la roche playing no screen set lots of isolation lots of attacking closeouts

worked incredibly well what happens in tally hero comes in is he going to fit the scheme and play it incredibly well i don't know a lot of people are assuming no for some reason and assuming he's don't want to do his normal pick and roll thing i'm assuming he is coached by erics borsha and we'll adhere to it just like everybody else that's coached by eric spolster is so i'm not worried but it is something to know yeah yeah i agree also i'm sure like like spolcher's not dumb like he can get i promise you tyler here can run one pick and roll again Like, he's going to get a couple. Yeah, they don't run zero.

They didn't run the lowest percentage, but it's not zero. Yeah. Okay. Next team, Golden State Warriors. Finishing up the lighting round. Let's go back to a full-length conversation. The biggest question for them, the biggest problem, is that I don't know if they're good enough. But I don't know how to really pinpoint it to one thing.

We have Draymond Green and Jimmy Butler in post-com conferences talking about. We need certain people on this team. Certain people won't say any names. Maybe their initials are JK and a BP. but I'm not sure I'll say any names need to buy in and play their role and not be selfish. But I'm not saying any goddamn names.

Let me repeat that. And if Kevin O'Connor goes on Twitter and assumes I'm saying names, fuck you. I'm not saying names. They're making clear they're not saying names, but they also need John DeCamingo and Brandon Pajemski to lock in and play their roles and who have not had great last five games.

That's an issue. Jimmy Butler hasn't been quite as good at lifting the floor around Steph as I think fans of hope for. They're a little panicky about him being old and not having the juicy ones did. Curry had a week of slow-ish games before he exploded last night.

That's good. Same thing for Dremont. He locked in an amazing defensive match class against Victor Woman Yama. They don't have a lot of ball handling around those guys that you feel good about with JK and Pajemski not playing fantastic. So they don't have the athletic o'f around their old guys.

They don't have athletic bigs, anything of that sort. I think every facet of this team and the way they're built around these three guys, it's just kind of a question right now. Yeah, it makes sense. They feel like the words at this stage of their dynastic run, whatever it is, it feels like, hey man, let's just, let's, let's get to the playoffs.

And then, and like, that's really what we are trying to, trying to play for. Especially because they've had a lot of continuity over the last couple of years. Obviously, you trade for Jimmy last year, but you've had Steph, Dremont, pods there for a couple years. Kaminga's been there for a while. Moody's been there for a while. And they, they know that in a seven game series, they feel like they can out execute anybody

and so I think the biggest problem for them is that they do like in a playoff series I'm not sure if the execution is going to be good enough to get them because in that game you know when the thunder smoked them and obviously it's the thunder smoking everybody yeah they smoke everybody

but year over year with the wars and you know with my agent my aging goat yeah you see the lack of athleticism every single year and you see that get bigger and bigger and so knowing that you don't have the guys that juice offensively

to really run with some of the younger teams that is worried. Yeah, the 12th in defense right now which I think they'll get a little bit better from but even if they hover around there that can be good enough. 21st in offensive rating right now

and Grant his step carries missed a few games so that's in flux that they won't be that bad I don't think but I just yeah I really I don't feel super encouraged by the sustainability of their offense in a regular season in perspective regular season doesn't matter for them

because they're such a veteran-based team the whole point like you said is get to the playoffs try to smoke whoever's in front of you I would prefer if they're not in the playing tournament I would prefer if they didn't have to face the thunder in the first round like getting a good seed would be helpful and I don't know if I feel great about the current offensive

even like potential to do that yeah yeah I agree they've been like also load managing load managing yeah a load managing Alhorfer too he's been in and out of the lineup which good reason And I understand it. But overall, this Warriors team is so wildly inconsistent.

Of course, you talked about earlier how Curry's kind of been in and out these last few games, too. I think he was sick. Yes, exactly. And I think what's hilarious about this scene right now is it's kind of feels like a similar story from years past. They're like five and no at home and they're two and six on the road. That's, I didn't even know that. Yeah, they're just like, it's an insane. That's an insane thing to go ahead and understand because it's like, okay, like we, at the first few games, again, similar story.

they just always start the year very well and they slowly tail off for whatever the fuck issues and reasons it is but man like it sucks I feel like I feel like we've been here before and it's just the same old raw round right just different font this time

yeah I don't know if it's gonna stick or not you know end of last year they figured it out Jimmy came in gave them the crazy free throw rate they gave them a floor also some like rim attempts that he brought helped you know round out the offense they are so fifth and free throw rate so far this season but they're 23rd in rim volume so that other half

isn't there and I do kind of feel like Jimmy isn't quite as explosive as he once was and they made up for that last year with like genius IQ rolling around defensively as you see on the screen right now when Draymond's on the court with no Kaminga they do still have that top in defense coming for everything Kaminga did well

offensively to start the season which is slowed down a little bit he's never going to be a good defender in this context of like elevating them around those guys so figuring that balance out is still a thing I just yeah I feel like they need to figure out every single element of this team yeah I agree like you said what's new

yeah same old same but i'm not panicking per se you have a real team you want to talk about don't let's talk about the chicago bulls real quick uh they like their their defense is fugazi what no they're like one of the best three point or three point defenders in the lead you're telling them not the one seed right he's lying to me right now they i think you're a fucking hater i think you hate josh kitty for no reason yeah i'm a slash your ties when i go home listen man it's fagicass it they got their defense off a defense off the edge gate because the first the first couple games and whenever they were they were five and like again you look at and again it's very simple and six and five now yeah they've lost

mad games in a row and it really is crazy that when you look at at the percentage that that people were shooting in the first couple games against them it was the top of the league and everyone was like wow like have they figured out something have they figured out like how to defend the three-point line in the last couple games people are now starting to shoot 40% against them, 37% against them and starting to get, you know, two league average or above it. And you see they've lost four,

they've lost four in a row and five of their last six. Back in the play-in, back for their comfortable, six and five. They are 18th in offense and 18th in defense. Perfect mid. And this is perfect mid. And this is exactly what they were always destined to be. And so if you're a Bulls fan, I hope you didn't get too.

high about the first couple games because once again defense was not something that you can look at at this team and say yes they're going to do this for 82 games they are going to hold people to shooting they had a game well this is actually crazy I'm looking at the at the game log guess who shot the worst percentage against them in terms of the games the Orlando magic naturally now guess what the magic shot in that game from three 13 percent 18 percent 12 point five percent What the fuck? I nailed it. Yeah.

Orlando, come on. But yeah, you're not going to play the magic every night. You're not, and you're also not going to keep. There's 29th in rim defense. Right. It's not, it's not sustainable. . . . . . . . . my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my bad. their 29th in rim offense, which might be somehow worse. . . . . . . . no, no, the defense is still bad. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . so currently, it's getting bad in recent games, but overall for the season, there's a ninth in rim efficiency given up because that ridiculous start to the season. But, yeah, 29th in room offense is also.

Yeah. We were talking about the defense. They also reduced down to 18th in offensive ratings. That part isn't going great either. Yeah, they're just cool, fast. They took the patient swag. Good for them. That's going to be an interesting wrinkle to add to their team.

They're still a playing team. Good for that. Yeah. Nothing changed. Same thing. The biggest problem is they came down to Earth. And now they're just who we thought they'd be, solid eight or nine seed. Yeah, exactly.

Okay. No shame in that, though. Yeah, everyone needs to go ahead and be mid. Speaking about mid, the Atlanta Hawks. this team we're without touring young but we've been

better as of late we've been playing real good defense something that I haven't been able to say for it oh my God shut your mouth

I wish I had duct tape dictator god damn I hate that word he's so unfair because it's like Trey's always or at least

for the last few years has always been like called the most overrated player in the league by his peers and all it's just

he's so people feel like he's so hateable for whatever reason but right now great defense we can't we we we lead the league in god damn turnovers bro we're one of the we turn over the ball so fucking much our on ball creation is dog shit jalen johnson is good but he's way better with a player like tray young but overall this team has a whole husband connecting and clicking but our biggest issue is that yeah like without tray as we speak currently in this state our offense gets real stagnant real fast and at half court two it's scary because you got a fourth dice and dance to be this lead creator and clearly like

he hasn't made that leap necessarily just yet but he's better in different ways compared to last season so hey man like seeing where we're are right now can't be mad at all this big this gift kills me mm hmm he looks like a cartoon fuck that guy got dana frat you're sorry it's such a funny this is such a funny agenda it's a hawks are better with that tree young it's It's pure clickbait, bro. That's what this shit is. I think right now, our record with Trey. Pure click B.

Yes, it is. Our record with trade is like two and three. Without Trey, it's four and two. Who the fuck cares, right? It don't matter. It's just funny. I mean, obviously, they're not going anywhere without Trey. They might go nowhere with him, too,

but you have a super zero chance to go nowhere without Trey. The only thing I would say is maybe if you want to draw a negative Trey Young take away from this, is that maybe there is something here to this defense. that should have zero defensive holes instead of one who you know shadow tray improvements we've talked about a couple years ago not the worst offender in the planet but obviously not not average really yeah so maybe there is something that long term we want to build around something that has yeah not a small guard in it yeah i think hey man for the first time ever especially in this triung era we're a top five fucking defense crazy the fuck like michela exander walker giving people

hell alongside dyson daniel and jalen or jillan johnson that he's He's been better as a weight a little bit. But, yo, Zachary Rishi playing solid deep. We're committed and we're buying in. We have, again, like you said, no holes to poke at all. We're solid all around. But we don't have some moves in the races currently because trade out. So we're all right.

My next team, Minnesota Timberwolves. This is a clear one. This one's very easy. They need a point guard. Pretty bad. And I think I do not want to see Anthony Edwards have all the burden in the world of being their point guard because they're starting Don Tidey Vincenzo next to him who it was like announced

that he's their point guard no he's a shooting guard and he's the point guard and obviously we've talked about it at length in recent weeks the Rob Dillingham thing I hope we have a push at some point this season

where we see him be somebody who can play down on 20 minutes 25 minutes for them what is he playing right now he's currently averaging don't tell me I'm looking at that right

9.8 minutes a game yeah brother good Lord I what the hell he's played 88 minutes in season yeah this can't That can't be the case.

You gave up so many assets to get him. You gave up a future pick that is meaningful. That's an asset that was traded by the Spurs. 11.9. Minutes per game? Oh, my bad. I'm looking to clean the glasses. You filled us at garbage time.

So about 50% of his minutes are garbage time, which is not a good sign. So he's playing 10 meaningful minutes a game. Fuck. That was your one avenue to getting another creator out there to be the heir apparent to Mike Conley. They knew they needed a next guy after Mike and they hoped it could be Rob Dillingham. Maybe it still can be. I'm not writing anybody off at this point. in their career at this point in the season

when he has, they have all the reason to empower him. But if that doesn't happen and we get to January, it's pretty clear they need to get a point guard the deadline. It's also pretty clear they don't have a lot of avenues in terms of getting rid of contracts. You feel good about losing. It's going to be some hard conversations up there

in their front office. But I don't think they can go into a playoff series with this little playmaking talent around Anthony Edwards. And when I say this little, I mean, you have the 10 minutes a game that Mike Colleen will play. In a playoff setting,

the five minutes a game, that Rob Dillingham will play and you've got to pray to God that aunt can do all the playmaking with Julius Randall being the secondary playmaker. Well, man, time to be the face of the lead. Exactly. Time to be the best player in the world

because it doesn't, it doesn't like, to get a quality point guard, you are going to have to give up a lot and I don't know if they truly do have, like you said, I don't, I don't think they have. There's no avenues for it.

Yeah, it's not really feasible. Yeah. Well, like a ticket trade in Osreed. But now you're small as hell. Something's got to give. Yeah, I mean, you're going to make a tough choice. And it sounds like you're playing a lot of Jamie Daniels and Julius Randall minutes. And like, yeah, this is going to be a true trade.

You're not just getting better. You're trading off strengths and weaknesses. I think it's a non-negotiable that they go long term without a point guard. Okay. So I do think it's negotiable to go long term without Nasreed. I think you can live with that. Yeah. I don't think they're making, they're not, I don't think they're making a finals without a point guard.

I think that's a non-starter. Okay. And that's, I mean, I, listen, I completely understand. It just, any way that you go, obviously, especially if you're getting a point guard, you're trying to, like, rewrite your strengths and you're trying to reconfigure on the fly. It just, for this team specifically, this next offseason, everybody, sit down and just calm down because they've, they've had, like, if they make that deal that, that will be three straight years of having a significant piece of your team.

change and and you having to figure out how are we going to operate on the fly in a short amount of time and so i would like for them to have some form of continuity some form of okay we know who's going to be here and the bad part is that they just don't have the guys to where you actually have that luxury so it does it does suck for them if they end up you know making making a trade and trading Nas Reid, but it has to be done. Unless you can trade.

I mean, like obviously Gobert is insanely important to their defense. The on-off numbers are crazy right now because they've got to replace them. Unless you can do something where you try to go out

and make, you know, there's all these links to them and John Morant. I don't know if I want to see that. I would hate that. I would hate that right now.

Unless, I guess, unless they also get Zach Edy and try to make them all and move, get them all their picks, give them Rob Dealingham. Maybe you have to give another young player. So you get E.

And you can like send out Gober while getting another center in that you feel good about. I don't know. I pulled that out of my ass. That probably doesn't make sense for a million reasons. But that's the other option they have

is like maybe you can get out with the Gobert thing with a smart move. But I'm not thrilled about what the team would look like without Gobert. That obviously ruins their defensive ceiling. That's a non-starter from me. Earlier in the year, they started off as a terrible defensive team.

I talked about how they're like 27th and rebound and all that. And as time has gone on, especially with these last like seven to five games, they're inching their way back to a top 10 defense. I assume it's going to like go ahead And the trend is going to continue and be better as well.

They're going to probably finish the year out as the top 10 defense too. Man. Jamie Daniels was great. He looks amazing. He's ball handling more, especially when Anthony Edwards went out. He took more responsibility as an offensive player. That's look great. Randall's looked fantastic all year or two.

I feel good about their nucleus, which is Nick Daniels, Randall, and then Gobert for the next two years, whatever, until he falls off. That all feels good. I think everybody else around that, like, if you tell me the answer is trading Don's Devinchenzo on Mike Conley's salary, which would get you. about $22 million, maybe that's the answer. I don't know what Pung Guard's out there for $22 million. That would change their lives, but something has to give around the core.

Yeah, so far the only team that they were able to be top of the year, Portland, they beat the Pacers, Ew, they also beat the Charlotte's Hornets, ew, they beat the nuts, you, and they beat up on the Utah Jazz twice in the Kings. They beat no quality team so far, right? Yeah, and that's kind of just playing who's in front of you. And listen, they are third in offense right now. So I'm talking long term. It's not like they can go through the season

without doing a big move and they can play this way. Maybe I'm making it sound more dramatic than it is. I'm not trying to say Timberlis have no chance. But I think two win a championship against the thunder around the corner, the best ball pressure team in the league, you need players who can handle the rock and can create a decision, make a decision with the ball on their hands and not get ripped every single time Alex Russo

in case of walls running down their throats. Yeah. I think this makes a match up very terribly with them right now. Yeah. And there's probably not a move for them to make right now if you speak at all. So it's probably going to be a next year thing. I'd assume when they try to address this.

Yeah. But again, we're talking about rich people problems. We're talking about a team that's in true contention mode. There's not a huge panic around it, but I think when you're this caliber of a team around every year you want to try to give yourself

the best chance of winning championship, they need to find some more playmaking talent. Yeah. Right. It is crazy. Their third in offense, though, despite all this. Yeah.

Which again, you just made, they beat a hell out of a lot of bad teams. And it's an 11-game sample size. The offense rating isn't terribly important. But still, they're doing what they're supposed. Yeah, it shows how close they are. That if they're doing this one in a regular season perspective,

all they got to do is figure out that playoff stuff. Yeah. My last team is the Cleveland Cavaliers. Okay. And I think the early problem for them outside of Darius Garland and him being injured and coming back into the fold

and all that stuff, their bench is still very much in flux. And the one problem that we keep, that we've been looking at it for, what, three years now, which is their wing position. they still need to figure that out and they have to figure it out because

these guys can't shoot threes and if you look at the people who are playing like wing you know adjacent positions you're you're looking at Dean Wade you're looking at Alonzo ball you're looking at DeAndre Hunter and they have been awful from three this year

and that's always been an issue it's one of the reasons why like you were ultimately okay even though that like a cora had gotten better from where was a couple years ago, you were okay shipping him out because you felt like you had other guys to step into that role. Max Drews, he had a decent game a while ago, but Max Drews hasn't been awesome this year either. So they need to, one, to shoot better, but they also need to nail down who they want to be their lead wing whenever your big four is back together

and healthy. Yeah. I think I haven't seen Max Drews play like at all so far. He's had a couple but like bad games. Yeah, it just feels like damn near like invisible to me currently as, as we speak.

But yeah, it's kind of hard to talk about them too because we all know like they're not a complete product. I think Darius Garland has played like,

what, two, three games? I said, I've been seeing a hella on the sidelines as well. It's hard to talk

about them where you don't have like the guy who's supposed to make these threes and the whole lot of like regular sets. I'm,

I'm too, I don't know why I said Max Truth. Yeah. He didn't play? Yeah. I don't even hear you. yeah yeah exactly but it's our donovan mitchell though soon the fucking piss out of the ball

bro yeah i think overall to be fine yeah it is it is a concern that they haven't been quite as good offensively so far this year for all the reason you talk about the wing stuff and garland being hurt now too i didn't really have any options for making more moves this is their team but i'm wondering how they're going to long term i dropped the hell out on my phone that was so loud yeah i'm tough how they're going to long term be able to make up the paint touches that they're feeling the loss of from losing Garland, yeah. Yeah, Jerome.

So, especially when Garland's not there, losing having, not having Garland and not having the effect of Jerome last year, it feels like we're missing that a little bit on offense. And we really had a super substantive conversation when it comes to talking about Lonzo Ball and how good of a playmaker he is, but it's entirely different levels of playmaking.

I feel like Lonzo, he gives you more opportunities and possessions and he, like, opens up certain avenues and just things to happen. With Ty Jerome, it's more so direct and finesse. going to, like, find his way to carve into the paint every single time. So, yeah, in terms of early season problem, is not being whole and not being able to figure out how they're going to replace these paint touches and figure out the new identity themselves, the fact that every time we talk about them, it's eventually they'll have

strews back, eventually, eventually, eventually, eventually, it's annoying that we have to wait so long and there's so much just bad games because of that. Yeah. That are obviously not indicative of their long-term ceiling. Yeah. So my, one of my last two teams are the Memphis Grizzies. We can keep this short. We talked up with them so much.

At the end of the day, Jawsman's so fucking pissed still to this day. Every single time, I said this earlier, every single time he plays against a point guard of his caliber or someone who should be of his caliber, Brunson, Cade. No matter, it doesn't matter who it is. He always gets outplayed to the most disgusting degree possible. He is a very, a very flawed, all-star. star player can't shoot for shit can't get to the rim for shit like that it's just bad and

same things same conversations being had about jaron jackson as well like he is we already knew he was fought to like an even bigger degree but what jaren what john moraine is doing right now it's like we've i almost want to say like we never seen this before from someone who was like towards the top of his position just a couple years ago to now still dead smack middle in your prime at this age with no major injury in terms of injuries that would make you assume automatically someone zapped athletically. He didn't tear his Achilles. He didn't tear his ACL.

Like he's had a lot of injuries, but they weren't one giant one that you say, oh, that'll make him never be the same. So it's weird. Last six games, 15 points, 27% field goal, 12.7% from three. You can get into a lot of small stuff about this team and about the rotation patterns

that they're doing with Isola and whether or not it's good or bad, the rhythm that all these role players are getting into, the Jaron Jackson issues, and whether or not we can get his scoring back on track what it was last year, whether or not his defense is maximized in these short burst, get into Jaylon Wells shooting regressions, the fact that G.G Jackson isn't quite what we thought he'd be. There's a million things about this team that makes him not quite as good, right?

The fact they're missing their center and don't have anybody to replace them, so they're a small team. Yeah, nothing's working in their favor. Everything's bad. But it doesn't matter. It really starts and stops with John Morant. If Jamerrant is going to be the 25th best starting point guard in the league instead of the fifth or even the 10th or fucking even the 15th, if he's going to be on the lower end of his peers instead of being somebody that can reliably drive offense for you,

no, this is going to work. And if he's this, obviously this bad is atrocious. He will not be 27% field goal bad. This is unsustainably poor. But if he's just not a star anymore, really nothing else matters. You should have, I don't know if y'all saw. The Grizzlies' Knicks game that happened, you know, the effort that he had in that game,

it was disgusting. Yeah. And we've seen it's, We're 12, 10, 9, 10 games into the season. Having performances where all game, it looks like, oh, you quit in that half, you quit in this half, and you're not playing on this half. You're getting clearly beat on a million back cuts.

You are not. You're just getting caught up on every single screen. The effort level is the other thing where it's one thing, if you're playing bad, and that's obviously a problem. It's another thing if you're compounding that with, you're also just not like playing hard yeah it's it feels like we begin we talk about this every week in the past month it just feels like we're getting day by day closer and closer to the realization that john moran is no longer a star player yeah exactly and your organization will have to go through

one of the like most pitiful pitiful in terms of like damn bro like we really thought like jaw was one of them ones jaron jackson was a great 3 and d power forward you're gonna have to go through retooling situation and it's the lockers we don't see this happen through this manner like the process of it was so disgusting all you can do is wait and hope he starts playing better for you and your team to drive more wins or the other end starts playing better

because he plays this poorly you will get nothing for him so all you can do is hope right now and there's no other option but hope and tell yourself it has to get better and to some extent it does but does it have to get better to a point that it makes you relevant in the West probably not does it have to get better

to the point that makes John Morant a player worth building around feels like Shirley now yeah yeah so good It's over for now, I figure. And that's our last team, unless you have one left? I have one more team left. I have the Orlando Magic.

We talked about them. Oh, yeah, okay. So much. As late, they've been, like, better. No, they haven't. They've been better as a late. They had a game-winning shot over Desmond Bain, and then they did beat the shit out of the Knicks, who they just, they mauled the next. Over the last five games, they have the top 14 offense, which is very encouraging.

And then also on the very opposite end, too, like, they've been better on defense as well. Now, of course, like, the wins have been more rough than you'd want. but I see steps forward now that's what I was going to say they've been more rough than I was when I was to say they have been better I was in a joke and say it's still insanely frustrating even when they're getting these wins as somebody who wants to see them succeed who picked them to be the three seed like it's so frustrating the end of that trailblagers game that they won off of the Desmond Bean three was the most I've ever seen a team that's winning by I think it was double digits at some point in the fourth quarter they had the 10 point lead they tried so hard to lose the missed free throws the fouling up the fouling the fouling the shooters the turnovers that game was a goddamn disaster and they still won because Desmond Bain hit a ridiculous game winning shot yeah yeah yesterday the offense it looked listen it looked really good turned up they did they did be the hell to next one two things one Anthony Black went crazy he's a good player man he went he went crazy um two pop Paulo got hurt only played 12 minutes uh and he he left the game early

yeah the offense did look a lot smooth and I think the worst The number one problem is that right now, as you speak, yo, there's going to be some real narrative is going to be driven off of this injury. He's not playing this next game, Pella. Yeah. So if they get two five foot, because they, again, they would dominate those are a point.

All right, I'm going to open a prize picks. Yeah, I'm going to pick Franz Wagner for over on points rebounds assist. Yeah, man. He's going to go crazy. Who are they playing? I think I saw the trouble. I think it's the Nets or something like that. I'm going over on Franz Wagner's point three bounds,

assist on Friday they are playing the Nets at home Franz Wagner over as I'm I'm picking them He might not play in the fourth quarter I don't care He's gonna go ape shit Yeah

But yeah so that's yeah We talked at length The Nairders I'm glad you put them at the end Because the Grizzlies in the magic I am tired of talking about them Same old conversation Yeah it's two teams that just have systemic issues

That are waiting to see them get fixed And all we can do is wait The Desmond Bain thing he's been used a lot on ball Anthony Blacksman used a lot on ball Suggs a lot on ball it's led to Franz Wagner being used I think it's their fifth best

fifth highest on ball percentage that is an inherent problem to me you cannot deprioritize Franz Wagner in any way especially not deprioritize him with the ball in his hands when we know he's not like a shooter that's going to be hugely impactful off ball

still you know he can cut run in transition you can do other things as a smart high level player I want to see him be utilized as a true point forward that in the end of itself is a huge glaring problem to me that above all

else obviously the jump shooting hasn't been perfect the desmond bain thing is just weird how he's completely lost the ability to make threes that part will clearly get better as time goes on from a coaching perspective if they're not going to maximize franz wagner even if things get better and the defense comes around they start winning more games i'm not going to hope for them in the playoffs yeah they're just jemal mozzling the whole coaching staff joe prudney who came from the Atlanta hawks and they also have the shame got to but i think he's more of like a developmental guy so it's not really really necessarily on him but Joe Jamal Moseley

offensive coordinator of the team too Joe Brutney I don't know what's going on right now and none of the players are to have an idea what's going on as well yeah it's just weird again this is one that will get better with time to some degree right like Desmond Bain cannot I cannot believe that Desmond Bain will be the worst efficiency shooter at the position

in the league that can't maintain when over the last three four years of his career he's been one of the five best shooters consistently too just yeah I refuse to believe that that's just like he just fell off like that no this is unsustainably poor but I am worried about the overall

offensive ecosystem like we always have been yeah I agree I agree that's fair and with that being said

it is time for a new era of today's episode a new section what do you got in the tuck calling down Jamal don't pull out the nine

don't play out the nine my voice might crack yeah don't pull out the nine don't pull out the fucking cram

give me your attention give me your just give me your it's all I really need bro because I'm going to just crack jokes and do trivia and all that. I don't care about it. I don't want your money.

I don't want your jokes. I don't want it. Just give me your attention for the next hour, bare minimum. Because it's TikTok time. Woo. Welcome to TikTok time. Today, we are once again going to begin with the draft. Continuing a new type of draft that we started last week that you guys apparently loved,

which is nice to see, we're going to do an NBA sabotage draft. If you guys didn't see last episode how it works is, I have this hat. It is full of players. I think there are 16 or 17 players in here. And what we're going to do is we're going to take turns. We're going to draw one. When you see the player,

you can either choose to keep them on your team or sabotage one of the people next to us by giving them to them and they have to put it on their team. Okay. Last time, we got Donovan's whole ass out of you. We jumped them. We got him out of here good. You got Michael Jordan and we jumped them.

It was lovely. It was not a little culprit today. We'll see. however the cookie crumbles somebody might get sabotaged or maybe we'll all pick good players and we'll all get along just fairly and pick our own teams and there'll be no sabotaging I got a card and egg whites for you in the car

I didn't forget why didn't you bring it inside so we could put in the fridge it's cold outside it doesn't matter true it is cold to tell okay the theme for this week they are all former or current Lakers players

only players who play for the greatest organization in sports okay this guy has to get in Okay, so I'll go first, Mo second, Donovan Third, work around the room, snake draft, same as always. First pick in the sabotage Lakers draft. Who do I got?

I got Meta World Peace. Okay, you're going to be beating ass, nice. I'm keeping them. You got protection? He's not going anywhere. Everybody needs a role player. I got the best one. Okay.

Going ahead and picking up. LeBron James. You get LeBron every time. How glorious. It's just like a magnet, you know. God. He senses your glaze and he knows. that you need him.

He knows that he has a place and it's in my heart. Of course you get Ron. Fine. I'm picking who's this guy? That is Isaac Bongo. I've seen his ass in years. Yeah,

go ahead and take that buddy. Oh. Go ahead and take that. The Bonga, Bronga. Okay. You don't want to see the Bonged bond combination walk through those doors. Scary sight.

And now I get this double pick. Banga, brad. B.I. Okay. Okay. I like B. It's decent. Damn, right.

Terrible, not terrible, not terrible. Not bad at all. All-Star. Yeah, it's all-star. Take B-I. Wait, why do you do that twice? Take B-I. Okay, I'll put B-I on my two.

It's cool. It's cool. You know, that's not terrible. He's a long, lengthy team to start. Okay. No players for Donovan. Shack. Motherfucker, trying to stop me.

You can't. I dare you. Dang, four players. Your team's already almost done. Yep, I got Shack. Shack. Shack, Braun, but you got Bonga between. Okay.

Okay. Okay, fair enough. Starting off. Next up. Sniper. I got Dennis Rodman. Yo, you got fist, man. Can I afford an offensively to have Rodman and Artes together?

Yeah. Robin is later years was a decent shooter. I guess. I get me Robin at the four. I better hope I get some stars around that. Otherwise, it's going to be disgusting. It's going to be spooky. But at least I know Robin can put Isaac Bung in a headlock.

Yeah, you got a defense. But guess what? Ingrams-Zong. Magic Johnson. There we go. No spacing insight, but I'm tall and I'm mean. Okay. I'll put magic at my point guard.

Okay. All right. So now that's interesting because you have one spot left for your point guard. You're very likely to hand this off because of two players. Big job. One of them. Who's this? Kendrick Nunn.

Kendrick Nunn. Oh, man. Everyone thought he was next up. Did he want to work in the air? Was he runner up? He was, he did like a month long rookie the air campaign in there. He was really hot. Donovan is no players.

Yeah, yeah. Kendrick Nunn building block. There you go, buddy. Here's your first player. You really? Give it to him. You have no players. You need a guy.

You need a guy. You have no players. We got to make sure you fill the roster. Brother. This is not how we're supposed to go. It's going to do come again. Every time we get to hell out of them. All these were like flipped over.

Oh, okay. Because he doesn't know a draw card. I just pick one up. It's not a serious. No, no, it is that serious. Kyle Kuzma. Nice. Okay.

Point guard, Kyle Kuzma, five wings. Yeah, go ahead and take that brother. Go ahead and take that brother. Oh, lovely. Okay, so I'm done, but I can draw, right? Can you draw? No, you can't draw. Oh, okay, so I got.

Because otherwise, you just sabotaged. Shack, Ingram, Braun. It's not terrible. Powgasaw. Okay. I will take Palgasol. That can't do that and Palgasol duo. The combos are scary sight.

That's a disgusting. I was thinking too up. Upside down. Okay. Next up. We got Austin Reeves. Cool. That fits great.

You love that thing. But do I want to aim higher? If he has Austin Reeves as his second best player. No, no, no. This is a risk.

I feel like I can aim higher. I'm going to give him Austin Reeves. Kendrick done Austin Reeves is a bullshit backwards. He could have it. He's not defending Magic Johnson. Okay. So he can have Austin Reeves. That's fine.

That's fine. And then I'm going to pick. Derek Fisher. He could have Derek Fisher as well. He could have awesome reapers at his three. Okay. I don't like this. Okay.

Okay. I don't like feeding him. You tried to nuke me and it bounced back part of your face. Get him back to him. You better. Pray. All right. Listen, please, please.

None fish reefs. Oh, you home bullshit, man. I need, I need Kareem or something. Yeah, you better help you get Kareem. Cream's in there. He got Kareem. Great. you're still ass though

it don't matter Fisher, Nunn, Reeves You have the silliest team I've ever seen But you got Karim I guess so, man I got two picks now Last one's in this

I got DeAndre Aden Dominating Okay Nice center here Win for us You got a decent team so far Okay I got DeAndre Aiden

I suppose Magic Johnson Can save his life And there's two players left here I'm gonna pick both of Close my eyes And I'll drop one To see who I got You guys don't know

who they both are Okay. Is it one better than the other? Yes. I got Luca Dodgers. Let's go. Who's the other one? Stephen Ash.

Oh, I lived it the way. But I got Luca, okay. Okay. Passing on Reeves paid off. Okay, you got the best team. Naturally, he got Magic and Luca and Ron Archer's and Robin, the greatest defense. I wrote Reeves. And you got a solid, good team.

My team at least makes somewhat sense. I have a one through five. Okay, I got Braun at my one. I got Ingram at my two I got Banga just existing and then at my four I got Coos and five Shaq Banga

Yeah Isaac Bonga He keeps saying Bongo with his accent I don't I think Bonga Bonga Oh man This is this is not not great Is he French? I think he's French

I don't know what he is man He's a French 6, 8 point guard That didn't do anything He's African Visa 4 yeah your team is terrible none fisheries what are you doing

I was trying to do something you gave me you got two lefties ain't good for nothing he got Reese your team is utterly ridiculous at least most team is huge

yeah I got I got players I am sensing a pattern in the sabotage draft oh he got you got fuck too he got Isaac Bonga yeah but I also got

Shaq and LeBron just two top ten players in a lot time so I live Yeah, but I got dominating. Ooh. As I should. Shiver me timbers.

Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to show you guys some NBA signature shoes for the 2025, 2025, 2026 season, and I want you to grade them. Okay. A through F, let me know how strong these signature shoes are. If you like them, if you don't like them, anything in between. First off, we got the AE2. This colorway is terrible. This is coming off of the AE1, which is iconic. One of the best signature debuts in E.

years and again we're only going off of looks people always have to comment this is what he tried to dis-shae with yeah I think if we're going off of commercials and branding for it a plus a plus a plus the actual shoe it's feeling a little

hardinish obviously like all the Adidas stuff you have that consistent theme through it which is really just I think it's you know who but I'll go I go like B plus who is who you know Mr. Flack

Flashing lights? Flashing lights. Mr. flashing lights. Yeah. I mean, they're not terrible. The bear. It's tough to compare them to the AE1s, which are gorgeous. I'll get this a C.

It's an all right follow-up. This doesn't feel like Adidas right now. It feels like sketches trying to do some cool shit. It does feel kind of sketchy or adjacent. Yeah, they have the sketches color away in this random neon green. Skeeters does love this color way. What are we going? Okay, I gotta go C-minus then.

This is Adi. You put sketches in my head and I can't get rid of it. See minus. Again, we're only going off of looks. People always comment. so good to play in there you guys aren't even talking about the grip strength we are here to talk about fast next up the curry fox too these are good i like the soul a lot that that chunky soul that looks like wavy it works for me yeah but i don't think i ever really like the soul that

really just like oh it's extending the back yeah that's that's extending it's like a boat like that you're right i'm not i'm not a fan of that everything else is cool it feels like paul george it feels like paul george with the with the strap but that that that soul was too much. That picture on the right, he's wearing it with pants and it doesn't look bad. It goes. These shoes can bring back the 2013 era of wearing basketball shoes and jeans. If that's the case, then I'm definitely

lowering my grade. I'm going from an A, one arm, A's too much. B to like a D if you try to wear it casually. We should bring that back. That's Aaron wearing it. He should bring that back. Why, bro? We shouldn't do that. I'm going to get this a B plus, though. I like this a lot. Yeah, where your shoes? If you are

asking people to pay X amount of dollars for your shoes, they should have multiple uses. You never don't know when you got a hezzy step back

on someone no matter of the office exactly let's bring back everything just wearing them

in the shower just just I think these look very good this is a great silhouette color way

I mean fine Tiffany blue whatever B plus I thought this a B also

that we're in the shorts under the pants very helpful multiple times I like actually stumbled into a basketball

game and had to had to had to wear the shirt He ripped them off like a cartoon character wearing a caution. Next up. I was waiting. The Dawn issue 7.

These are hard. These are beautiful. Fuck with this a little way heavy. Beautiful. The color way is cool. It's decent. Yeah, it's beautiful. It looks like an old Kobe too.

You're right. Like the Hardens, the old old Kobe's and the ants, they all feel too similar. But it's a nice shoe. It looks like a glove. They look like they're designed for warmth in the winter. I don't know how this correlates, but it looks like those football gloves that Donovan be having on. I'm gonna go The color way is really throwing me off

Because I'm with you I kind of like the silhouette But this this shirtbert color way I'm not really rocking with This is a shoe that SpongeBob would rock the fuck out of He would He would yeah Spongebob could definitely cross you up In this uh in this shoe

I'm going to those C plus I've seen better versions of Donovan Mitchell's shoe And this is it's not up to par right now C minus Okay Next up the freak sevens this looks like pizza

once again bad color way don't hate the silhouette I don't love it it looks too tall it does look tall but you gotta give people some ankle support

these look like LeBron tens they do yeah they do look like the bronze you're right that's what I was just about to say they don't they're hard

I think black part it looks like a tire I don't know I don't think I love these bad color way yeah I thought these are good this is a good

this is a good shoe I'm in the probably In A. I'll rock this. An A? No. It's your favorite one yet?

Yeah, probably not. I still will go B. But Yannis does have a pretty, a pretty consistent line of good shoes. I'm going to B. It's, it's par. Have you seen the new thanasses? He's a shoe? Yeah.

With Anta? He's partner with Shaq. Shack? Wait, wait, wait. I made it up. I'm lying. You guys are so fast. You really believe it for a second.

Yeah. Everybody got a shoe. Yeah. Thanasis doesn't have a shoe. Anything. Danny Green has shoes. Yeah, anything that the NASS does, I think it's possible. No, it's not.

I lied. He should, though. He should have a P.E. I'm sure he has P.E. For Yonis his shoe. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to buy those. The NASISIS.

The NASI. The Hesie Lowe V2 Cooper Flag Edition. These suck. He was in a lab with his mom and his mom design ease. Hell no. These suck. Terrible. These are basketball shoes.

No wonder why you can't shoot. You're 27% because you don't have the balance for these shoes. These, yes. These look like shoes that the 60-year-old dudes who play basketball at 7 a.m. in the morning on Saturdays, this is what they wear. They literally look like you play tennis in them. They look like every other sport shoe except for basketball. They look like a tennis shoe. You know what this is.

Like a golf shoe. No, no, this is a goddamn pickleball shoe. I know a country club shoe when I see it. Oh, I hate pickleball. And they love it. This is terrible. This is the worst. This is an F.

F? Yeah, F these suck. Maybe, like, if these are all black, you'd be like, okay, it's not good. The colors is the one thing I like. I kind of like the cream and green. So if we're taking that away, oh, it's terrible. Ooh, you're right.

We are big cream people. Speak for yourself, buddy. You are too. Except on a false claim. The jaw three. These are tough. These are great. This is, this is 8 plus.

You're right. This is a true. The pink one? Listen, a lot of shoes these days do crazy bright colors to appeal to eight-year-olds who love bright colors and they don't land. We'll see some later in this video that do not. land. This works. That pink one is gorgeous. I understand that you may not be happy in your current situation. I understand that the season is not going the way that you thought it was, but you are

fresh John Moran. And I appreciate that. These are an A plus. You said the shoes are icy, the locks are clean. You will have aura on the court, even if your jump shot isn't going in. Fresh to fucking death, bro. Like the Nike, getting creative, making it look like a J and spray painting or the graffiti A too. So tough, bro. So tough. Tech Shawna goes dumb too. Is it supposed to look like, like a grizzly, like claw? It looks like it's been like slashed? Maybe. There's a lot of layers to this.

This is one of those signatures used that I do think modern classic. Instant classic. It just came out. Instant classic? Wow. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. I think these are up there. If he was playing well too, they'd be over the moon. The sales would be outrageous. Yeah. But A plus still. Ooh. The J.B. 741 rover.

This is Jalen Brown's independent company he started. Get back to the lab, brother. No, I will say These do look like Ben 10 shoes They do look like Predator shoes They do look like Alien Romulus shoes I do like them though

I do like them I love the alien look It kind of works for me I like the fabric on top That mesh looks cool I kind of like it I would like it if I was 12 But sadly I'm not

I don't fuck with these shoes Again it is a Ben 10 shoe It does look like it has tentacles I kind of like it though I just feel like I'm waiting For colors to pop out on the side I don't like these shoes at all I don't understand the 7-4-1 rober.

I don't like it, bro. I don't like it. Can I get with it? Sorry. Kind of looks radioactive in a good way. I'm going to give you a B-plus. Okay. And he did it independently.

I support independent business. Who am I to say, go back to the big manufacturer? Who am I to side with Nike? I support independent businesses when you make good products. It starts with that. You're not going to buy the t-shirts

from the guys from the high school with? Fuck, no. Everybody's got a hoodie brand? 50 for what, bro? Gilden? What? you know what i kind of see the vision on the on foot version yes looks a lot better than this actual one it goes goes from an fc okay i'll give it a b plus i fuck with it okay

listen he stands against billion dollar corporations i'm with him i get it even though i do like thank you quite a lot now what about this one the leaked kd 19 The leaked KD19 These aren't out we announced yet But this is apparently from a leak They look like they got zero grip Yeah, if Katie wears these He might tear another Achilles

I pray this is a leak Look at you're supposed to bowl in them Or do ballet Yeah What are we doing? These are house slippers Yeah They guess it's just a leak

It might not be true But I saw it all over the place This was like something cute That you put on your cats or dogs It don't look like an actual human shoe This is a doll shoe They don't have the soles on them It's like, oh, little cutie.

That's the shoe for a build a bear. Yeah, he's like, little kitty looking a little footy. Like, what? On a big old man, 7. Side 17. What are we doing? But I kind of see the vision, though. It's kind of cool.

It's kind of unique. No soul is crazy. Futuristic. This is what people in the 70s thought that, like, 2020's fashion would look like. And they were right, but like, a boneless shoe is kind of ridiculous. And I'm not, I'm not 100% there.

I hope this is real. I feel like this shoe would be good. You just want chaos. It's kind of cool. I like it. If you put rollerblades under him, now we're talking. That does look like a rollerblade. Now we're talking.

Okay. You can put this under some Sonic employees foot. Now we're talking. I know you can't roll a blade. Oh, I can't. I'm the wrong one. Terrible at it. I know you're skating backwards.

I'm splitting my legs. I know you'd be hosting Afro beat nights at the skating arena. I wish, man. The leaning CJ3 Sunday edition. We're doing a lot. C.J. McCollum. Yeah, we're doing a lot with these. There's a lot of sprinkles, a lot of chocolate.

Chalk it on your shoe is, as the beginning point, is kind of crazy. You're 37 years old, sir. CJ, stop. We're good. We don't need shoes from you. This is birthday cake, chocolate, sprinkles, oozing, we're good. No. Yeah, it's a lot, man.

We're simply, we're all right. Who is your audience? Who you're trying to appeal? Who is the audience for the leaning CJ3? Sunday edition. It ain't know people in in Washington that it wears stuff like this. Yeah, it's not in D.C.

You think China just loves ice cream? I don't know what they like. I don't know. Apparently they love C.J. McCollum, Sunday shoes. Well, actually, we don't know that. What are the first week sales of these? Who the fuck are you asking that too? I don't know.

I'm going to give an F just because you ask for that bullshit. Yeah. He gets an F just because of the audacious question. The Malik Monk. Peak Big Triangle 4.0 player edition. These flamingo shoes, okay. There are dragon scales coming out the back. Who do you think you are?

These are Aragon shoes. Oh, man. Come on, man. Let's relax. Bro, he's literally going to take flight. He's literally going to breathe fire on the opponent. If you wore these on Halloween or like a special occasion, that's cool. If you are rocking these every single night, Malik, we have a problem.

I can't do this every single night. Take yourself seriously. Well, so now you're against standing off in the crowd? Gromond. Trying something different. Yeah, this is an F. I have no words. You guys don't respect individualism.

You sheeple. No, this is a dragon tail shoe. It is a dragon tail shoe. Yeah, it is. I'm not rocking with it. So what's the grade? I'm going D. Yeah, it's a step up from F because we do have to respect individuality.

True. However, I'm not rocking with this. I wish I wish with all my heart Yeah What to fly with dragons and land apart That's all I remember No yeah I think that's it And then afterwards it just

Yeah you like rub the skin and you go Yeah But these shoes I gotta tap into that today These shoes I wonder what What fabrics is made off Right like this is real like alligator skin

On these bitches or what You combine Yeah it's made out Dragon Yeah you got it you figure it out The MB 05 My God, these are fucking horrible These polypocket shoes

These I would call them Barbie shoes But Barbie has way more restraint With the sparkles than this Is this a lamello shoe? This is lamello shoe Oh, it explains too much Bro, what is this sparkle This crystal BS in the middle?

Why is it so tall and chunky It looks like a grade school shoe Because it's so goddamn tall And condensed You're not my franchise player You're getting traded today. Why are you influencing the Charlotte

and Greater North Carolina area to wear sheen shoes? Can you imagine just pulls up to the locker with 15 of these holes? Yeah, you're getting traded today. Security. You're being called. This is a bowling ball and the guy that has this is the annoying bowler you don't want to play with. This is the guy who spent too much money

in his own bowling ball and it's flashy and it's bad. Like these shoes look like a jump. They look like a They look like a gimmick. like you're not supposed to be taken seriously it looked like cushioned you know no yeah they look like something that they'd have for eight year old

yes hoopers at pay less yeah but I promise you the first week sales on these have to go crazy not really I don't even know they're probably they're probably higher than the leaning well but duh I would hope

no sells more shoes as CJ McCallow if that's the bar we have sunk into hell this is an F I hate these yeah nah Yeah, nah, man. Never go full polypocket. Man, the signature shoes these are terrible so far.

These are so bad. These make me mad. First, we have the Hornets, City Jersey is making me mad. Now, these, I kind of hate everything La Mello Ball stands for at this moment. Again, bare minimum, you could have got at least, like, decent ankle support in these. Where is the ankle support? He's kind of my enemy. Because I see these shoes, I don't care how much you tell me that it was fake.

I would choose to believe that he tattooed, that he tattooed his toes. Yeah, his toes. It matched the pattern too well. The Puma Halley wons. These are... Debuted these in Game 7 in the finals. He did. Very interesting shoe.

Maybe in a different color way, we can get somewhere. I like the pink. I would like it a lot if it didn't have that fat-ass Puma logo in the background. I actually really like the Puma logo just reminds me of like outlet malls. I actually fuck with the Puma logo heavy right now, too. That's more about the state of the brand than the actual thing. I see Puma. I think of like an Italian dude attracts you at an outlet mall.

And it's not a good. visual. The Puma logo is hard to build around. It doesn't have good cache right now. But they did maximize the potential with this shoe and how they have like those oozing things along the sole and the side of the shoe. That actually goes really fucking well. Yeah, that part is cool. The sole awesome, the midsau awesome. I like the uppers. If they didn't have the logo, I'll give this an A low key. No, but the low, like most head. It plays really well. I'd rather the logo be there than like just straight horizontal across the side of the shoe. I'd rather not be there personally at all. The logo's just not good

at all. Exactly. You just don't want him to be signed to Puma. Yeah, exactly. Just put a small Puma on the tongue or something. Just hide it with some class. Do what all that the shitty brands do. Just hide it with some class. I think they are trying to differentiate themselves from those on the brands. Sometimes you're swinging your miss. I'm going B minus. Oh, okay. But no, I think it could be an A plus without

that logo. I'd like it a lot. Okay, this is all a B. Not a best shoot on. C. Yeah, I rock with everything. See? After all that. He has to hate on Tyree. That's what I'm saying. He ruined my summer. It's going to be a couple years before it gets over that. Really. The Puma Scoots 02.

These These look like they took the first draft of lamello shoe and was like all right, we're here. That's probably exactly what they did. This is probably a rejected lamello design. These look like anime shoes. These look like you crush Tokyo into a ball,

put it into an AI generator and said, make me Tokyo shoes, and these popped out. I feel like I'd like, if these weren't basketball shoes, I could kind of see the vision of them. What type of person do you have to be to wear these shoes? An animated one. You get a cartoon. That's what you got to be. Like, I'm sure

these are going crazy at like at anime festivals, like, K-pop shows. Like, it probably is banging somewhere, just not on a basketball court. It's probably being somewhere. I don't know what the demographic is, though. What does the average Scoot Zero-2's consumer look like? Yeah, who

who are, who are School Henderson fans right now? They probably have no teeth right now. Because this is so weird because, and I need to know how Damien looked, how Dame did it for so long. Because he was an Adidas guy and you live in Portland. All of your fans are raised in a Nike environment. So like you really have to come with some heat to break the mold. This is not breaking the mold. What F?

I hate these. Man. I've seen these at journeys before. These are fat ass F. I haven't been to journeys in forever. Me neither. I'm never going back. I went to the last year.

I actually bought these shoes from journeys. Really? Yeah, there's some docs. Instead of a Doc Martin store? Yeah, it was there. Why? We're not. It was at the dark one.

Martin's search. It was just convenient. Okay. Next thing we're going to do. We're going to play NBA King of the Hill. Fake docs. That's what it's real. We're going to play a Big King of the Hill.

Okay. We're not going to do it with NBA logos. We're not going to do it about how good the logos look. We're not going to do it by high iconic the logos are. What are we going to do? You were going to tell me which NBA logo was. win in a fight. Thank you.

So just by the logo itself. Nothing else affiliated with it. Just imagine the logo. Oh, there's teams. Some teams are going to have an insane disadvantage. First off, Grizzlies versus Pelicans. Now. The Pelican has a long wingspan.

It's spread. How big is the Pelican? I think, I don't know. Not small. Now, grizzlies are big and they are quick, but I think that the airborneness of the pelican can definitely provide some, some problem for the, grizzlies however one swipe down and the grizzly gets it right the grizzly is really like

dionte water i just need one right and i can end everything right now give i'll take the grizzly you're taking the grizzies at the end of the day the pelican cool they're actually way ugly than i fucking thought so it has like some type of different type of into me it's mad annoying though yeah you're right we're talking about the animal in general it's the logo something about the version of it there whatever that tells you about that version yeah i'm definitely taking the grizzy The Grizzles logo isn't the most ferocious bear I've ever seen So it can get got but not by the Pelican Is it?

I don't know Grizzlies versus Hornets That Hornet Looks mean That the hornet is mean It's already showing It's stinger Very big

This is a battle that you could lose I'm willing to believe Scaling here Looks like a big hornet I was thinking Is this a bear size hornet It might be It now that's that's one thing

Yeah Is the Hornet going to have reinforcements No Just one-on-one, I think. One-on-one. In any scenario, I think the hornet probably has an advantage, though. Scaling-wise, I think this hornet is the size of a bear's head. So, it's a...

If that's the case, I will take the hornet. Okay. We're in another situation where the hornet has one opportunity to use its stinger and go. Is it like that? If it's bigger, it has a big stinger, too? Oh, it's right. Oh, he's piercing the skull. The fuck of his belly and his over it.

I actually don't know. If Hornets are like that, we're matching scales, and this is a hornet, the size of a bear's head, we're going with the hornets. Yeah. Okay. Big Hornet. Our Big Hornet versus the Bulls, that mean-ass bull with, keep in mind, the horns have tips of red at the end. So this bull is battles card. He's already killed people.

And he's still bloody. He's still living to fight the tail. He's still fucking, man. He recently killed people. Yeah. Recently dropped bodies. We might have found our winner. He's going through him.

I do think that this bull is one of the most intimidating animals, intimidating logos in all the sports. Stomping out the hornet. Chicago Bull wins. Chicago Bull versus Celtics logo. He's killing that leprechaun easy. There's no chance. He's destroying the Celtic. Yeah, it's over with.

The bulls versus the timber wolves and their wolf. Dude, wolves are big as fuck. It is. The timber looks huge too on this logo. He's howling. He's calling him back up. But he's not going to get it. We're going one-on-one.

that bull gets them But those only went in packs One-on-one they don't send a chance But if it's like this old Timberwolf logo too But they brought back those throwbacks We're talking about right now Right now too I don't know man

I might lean with the T-wolf The only reason So the only reason to go with the T-Wolf is because you would have The Agileness That the Bull wouldn't have But the bull once again has strength Over the Timber Wolf

So I'm inclined to go with the Bull I don't know I think one-on-one-on-one or not bro these motherfucking come in packs they're gonna lose regardless you get 10 bulls versus 10 10 10 wolves I'm taking the 10 bulls no one bull yeah but you said that the

the wolf always coming in packs yeah the wolves always coming in packs no see one psych they're 30 behind me right now you're breaking the boundaries of this game Bulls versus Mavs Bulls versus Matt that Mazz is weak as hell yeah we're killing I mean it's the bulls

this is the weakest state of Mabs ever bulls versus Clippers it's a big boat it is a battleship I think how is the bull taken out of battleship tell me that

it's pretty much impossible the only thing we might have found a winner unless you like have a fucking rocket next if it is made by that franchise it will break down easily

I'm taking the Chicago dude into tear up I'm taking a clipper man one hit one hit he's not the Hulk it's just a bull one hit where

that's like one hit I promise you that boat is made out of glass and paper. But there's like 3,000 feet worth of a boat. Yeah, what are you talking about? We're taking the clipper. It's the clipper. Whatever. The clipper's boat versus the Warriors logo.

A bridge. That bridge is getting demolished. I've seen so many bridges fall. No. Yes. The bridge would win. How? Bridges fall.

Usually by boats. A lot of times they fall because boats hit that. Last year, that should just happened. It was two years ago. Yes, but immediately, as soon as the boat runs into to the bridge, part of, The boat breaks. And the bridge has no chance.

You have no defense mechanism at all. You're just pretty. You're good to look at. You're not like functional. I guess the clip or gets another victory. Yeah, the clipper. The clippers. Hey, man, they don't run right now.

The clippers versus the sun's logo. The sun wins. It's a sun. Yeah, you will be disintegrated. It's the sun. Without me, you are nothing. It's the sun. Yeah.

What are you going to do with the sun? All right. Well, I think we got our winner then. I don't think we can go any further. What could possibly beat the sun? nothing they're the ultimatum the magic the magic is a ball it's a magical ball a magical ball versus sun

I don't know maybe depending on how much magic is in the ball did you by your side today so can the wizards beat the sun no this is old folk tales right now that we're talking about the sun's win king of the hill next thing we're going to do

you know this time of the year every year we start our series where we put a certain amount of the starters across the league into a tier list based on their position. We do this every year around this time early in the season. Kind of get a lay of the land for what the position looks like. Today is no different. We are going to put 17.

Actually, no. We're going to put about, how many is there here? Around there. We are going to put NBA point guards into a tier list. I have about half the league starters here. So it's not all of them, but it's a disbursement of talent up and down the bottom. We're going to get a lay of the land, see how all these starting point guards in the NBA

compared to each other right now. Okay. So you guys know how this works. Tears are labeled S through F. First off, Steph Curry. Still S tier, still one of the best point guards in the league.

I don't think he's S tier. Come on. Stop. I'm sorry. I think he's in, I think Shay is in a different tier than him. Shea and Luca? We can get to that conversation,

but I think Shay is clearly a different tier than stuff these days. If you want to save S tier for like the very best, like one, maybe two. It doesn't necessarily like I've been one or two, but I think Shay and Steph are clearly in different tiers right now. I don't think that's not debatable. I don't think we got to hold on the nostalgia that much longer.

Is Neff is still obviously A tier? I won't be mad at you. He scored 40. He did get 44 to the Spurs. Last night. What did he do the three games before that? Less than 24 hours ago. Oh, he just didn't hear you.

Come on. Shea's the MVP. He's probably going to MVP again. Shea should probably be in the S-tier and I think Curry in A-tier. Okay, if you want to set that standard. Like, he's a better defender, obviously a better score. I don't think the. off ball scale stuff

makes as much of a difference when Shea also can do absurd. You put Steph Curry on the Thunder right now, 84 wins. 84 wins. If you replace them, I don't know if they'd be better. 95 wins. Would they be better if you replace them? I doubt it.

Curney's injury prone and then also they're going to try to target him. I think they probably will be a little worse. She believed no value as a defender at all. He's a good weak side of a shot blocker at the rim two for his position. He's obviously the best score in the NBA. He carries the most ridiculous.

list defensive slanted lineups. He's in a different tier of two-way value. Okay, we can put him as an A-tier. That's fine. You want to put Curry a tier? Yeah. Crazy. Make sure you agree.

Donovan's going down with some tiers. Long-time Curry stand. Listen, man. It's over with slowly taking away. At least compared to his fucking Shea, who's obviously best player in the world caliber. Shouldn't be like this. Yes, he should.

He's 37. He should certainly be like this. Yeah. It's not a slight to him It has nothing to do with him It's about that time Pod, you play your role so we don't have to do this man

Kaminga, you step it up Sake of this What do you want to do with Luca Donchish? Let's go ahead and had that conversation Who is he closer to? He is S tier. Most definitely S tier. I think right now

you ask me a question Who's the best score in the league? I'm telling you it's Luca Donchich. Then you're not watching Shay enough. I'm watching Shay I'm watching him put up 33 but I'm also watching Luca put up 37

taking She's a much better score. Yeah. Well, much better, it's hard to say because Luke is obviously amazing too So they may not say much better. Yeah. But in terms of resilience in the playoffs, being able to do it in a way that's conducive

to other players around you as well, She's a better score. I'm just talking about for this season right now. I don't know. That she is. The rim pressure difference. Like Lucas's rim volume is going down every single year, you know. Yeah.

It doesn't really matter when you're hitting just the most insane trick shots every single night, getting all these types of crazy hand ones. Yeah. Like, you want to win the finals off of trick shots? I'm talking about who's here right now as a score. Well, what's, they're talking about S&A tier. What really matters is can they, can you win with that? I think you can

He went to the finals And they lost for Of course he was a part of the reason They lost but their team Was not equipped for it I'm not saying you can't win with Luca I'm just comparing him She I mean I'm like

Do we feel like there's any type of tier break there No I think they're in the same tier Okay I'm not like I'm out against it I just thought we had to We got to voice it that No Shee is Shea Yeah Shee Shee Shee

Amazing defender Great score He's a decent three point shooter two I think I see Luke's shooting And also his passing They just sets him apart from the rest of the league. He's right there.

Donovan, you agree? Is he closer to Shay than he is to Curry? I mean, they're all on the same team. But because of that, I do think he's us here. I think that's like the big three right now, and then we can move from there. Okay. Yeah, I don't disagree.

Lamello Ball. What do we do with that? With the current state of him and his injuries and how, you know, unreliable he's become? Probably around D tier. Fuck, that's quite a job. Because, I mean, even before the injury this year, we had injuries last year

and the year before that and the year before that and we've had nearly half a decade of asking, which is crazy but we've had almost five years of us asking now can we build our team around Lamello? I still don't know the answer

and if I was going to give you an answer I'm probably leaning no I would say D-2 I think at this point with how unavailable he's been and obviously is still question marks with the game on the court there's no reason to believe

you can build around him until he proves it yeah I think if you ask the top 16 teams in NBA, would you rather have your starting point guard or lamello ball? They're probably going to say nine times out of ten, unless you're the 10 rules, give me my current starting point guard. Damn. Okay.

All right. D tier. Is D too harsh? Are we describing C or are we describing D? I think we're just, for the state of him right now, I think we're describing D. They're all starters. So, you know, the D tier isn't necessarily your bad. These are all starting point guards. Yeah. The level of talent that he has is probably C tier, but when

you add all the other stuff in, it's probably D. Okay. James Hardin. I think you see. Obviously more reliable than mellow ball. Yeah, and he's, he's fine. He's going to show up. He's going to be James Hardin. And if you are still, like he's shown for several years that he can still lead in offense.

You just need other people around him to be the number one guy, the number one scoring guy. But having James Harder as your point guard for the regular season, it's not a bad thing at all. Yeah, one of the best floor raisers of all time, still a fantastic playmaker. I'm very unmoved these days, but him as a score, just how. how difficult every single shot get into the rim is these days. Like, that's the biggest difference been to him and his prime.

He just can't blow by people anymore. But his playmaking floor is going to be incredibly valuable forever. Yeah. Tyrese Maxie. He might be. I think he's... Are you ready for uncomfortable conversations?

Yes. Let me hear him. This motherfucker might be a tier. There's not a lot of players in league he was as an elite of a shooter as he is while also have that level of burst. And also, he took a real playmaking. leap as well. He's averaging

damn near 30 or he might be averaging 30 as you speak still. Hyperfitting three-point shooter. You can play him with fucking anyone in the league. I think right now he's a top five-point guard in the league. I got to see like 40 games in his leap before I go there to A, because A is tough. He's certainly B though. And he's definitely not the

worst player that's going to be in B. His jump as a slasher is real. His feel for picking rolls, feel for manipulating defenses miles better than you used to be. A couple years ago, he was a great score, could shoot, attack with his speed and everything. But he was very reliant on playing off with Jewel and Bede. He is clearly not relying on

Joel and Bede at all anymore. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Last year we talked about how, you know, like, when he's not playing with him Bid, the numbers are discussing. The efficiency is nasty. He looks lost out, not lost unnecessarily, but he just isn't the same caliber player. I need the case. You moved me. A tier? I think he's A tier. Are you sure?

Can he be the best player on a deep playoff run? I think so. Okay, then eight tier it is. If you guys want to give that, A tier it is. If we're willing to say that without sample size, I'm with you too. I love Tyrese maxi that level, bro. The scoring is so real. Like, the thing I'm waiting for sample size is to see just how the passing develops over time

and how he continues to just adjust to being the guy. He's clearly better at it this year than he was last year. But if you want to give him the credit and say it's real, I'm with you. Okay. Through 10 games, he's certainly been a tier, I guess. He's averaging 32 points in eight assist a game.

44% of the three-point line, bro, on nine attempts. But he's he the same tier as Curry. I feel like Curry might just deserve his own tier, right now i think he is on the same tier's curry yes he's shooting better he's shooting better from three from curry but curry's like curry still playing like a back in a top ten player or at least the 12th best player at worst if you want to be critical of curry i'm sorry is tyree's playing at that level i think he is i mean he's started he's getting to like eight times again two it's like he's so complete then what i'm hearing is he's on brenton level right now as a score yes

right now as he speak so go jalen brunson also a tier you feel like him and tyrese are playing at a comparable level yes which is again not about anybody but Tyrese playing himself up to that level. 100%. But yes, this is probably especially since Haliborne is hurt, this is the top five right now. Yeah. Okay. Well,

we're missing somebody that we can talk about now. Kate Cunningham. Oh, my bad. I did, I did. Yeah, we did figure about Cade. A tier. K's A. Yeah. He's a. He's clearly, he has clearly elevated himself into these conversations. and we we saw one year like there's obviously levels to the team building we saw as soon as he

got a competent team around him playoff team now now everyone thinks that like hated is going to go to this next to this next stage you still need just a little bit more from the team but in terms of every single night hey guys get in get into the backpack I'm going to carry us he can do that he's the ultimate get shit done guard right now the playmaking floor is outlandish he's the best passer here right now in terms of like his game by game output obviously Luca is a better passer but I mean at least for this year we're seeing

him lean a little more towards scoring it kind of feels like he got skinny and it's like I gotta get this bag shit off and he's like trying to score more than he ever did the playmaking balance is a little bit off I think Cade currently is playing making at a higher level than Luca probably playing making at a higher level than James Hardin which is obviously a very high bar but I think he's joined that club of like premier premier top tier playmakers

I agree I think this is where S&8's here the door officially closed. Okay. Trey Young. We only seen him for five games. And it wasn't a great game. And about seven years before that.

What is he C tier? Yes, sir. Yes. I think at his best, he's probably B tier. But at his best he can be in an A tier. We just haven't seen, we just haven't seen that in three years. Yeah.

We have enough sample size now. He is not an efficient scoring guard, at least in the role as being the best score on a team. he's not efficient and you know Cade isn't above average efficiency either but Cade at least has the in between game that we know late game into a fourth quarter he can get his own shot against

and also he's a defensive presence as well 100% shot blocker one of the best at his position exactly so if you're gonna compare him to another garlic dad that isn't above average efficiency wise but scores of volume Cade chuck's other boxes that Trey on does not I don't like that you can tell me that makes him B but the defensive gap is huge and the playmaking gap isn't

big at all either Yeah, so I kind of think he's closer to Hardin these days. Yeah, I agree. He probably has a higher scoring ceiling than Hardin clearly at this age. But like, we don't see it that often. At this state, at least through the five games I've seen, just the nasty, like tour days that he's put up to, yeah, you see tier. Listen, if we're doing just these five games, D tier would be in play. But we're not going to do that because that's obviously he starts slow.

It happens plenty of times. We can go C tier, just to give him some credit. He is still Trey Young. Still is one of the best passers in the league. probably the best consistent shot generator as a playmaker in the league's past couple years.

Jamal Murray came into the league coming to the season in shape this year playing well. That's D-tier. Yeah. He's right there.

He's not, Jamal Murray, and it's like, it's not his fault either because he's playing with Yokic, but he's not, I don't look at Jamal Murray and say like he can lead my franchise,

but he is the perfect number two for a team that we think can realistically win the championship this year, I'd go be with Jamal. Is there any is there any part of you that wants to go C tier because he's such a like, you know, sidekick? No, because I think other people

you have to give him credit. You do have to It's hard to be a sidekick. Yeah. And we've also seen him not play as well as he is right now. So the fact that he has, whether you want to say like leveled up or just coming into the season ready, he's producing at a high level. That's B tier. You know it's a good point. I think anybody in B tier below, I don't really feel comfortable with them being the best player on my team. And for most team constructions, when the best players in the league need the ball on their

hands, like a Yokic, I feel better about Jamal Murray being the second option, sidekick player playing off of them than I do Tray Young. 100%. Yeah, that's fair. 100%. That's fair. Unless I have like a big man, like unless I have Victor Weniamma, then I'd probably want Trey Young over Jamal.

Even then, I think I might want Jamal Murray over Trayun. Fair enough. I was just saying, unless it's a player that I want to be set up explicitly, like Victor Wormon Yama or Anthony David. really that's it. So unless I have one of those two players, I'd rather have Jamal Murray. Yeah, and a lot of universes

you would want Jamal Murray over, Trey. That's fair. I'm not going to argue guys on that. Darius Garland. Mitchell Robinson. I think he's a beat here as well. I think he is what Tray Young should be in terms of playing next to other stars

and being able to play on or off ball. I want to see Trayon go to a situation where he could play off of Nevin-Mobli or even off of Donovan Mitchell, whatever may be, and be able to be the shooter that Darius Garland is running around screens. See, but I don't...

We got Moe Gay at home. We got Jalen Johnson. at home. We got your good car. I want him at home. What you mean? Yeah. I want Jim Johnson

to take a leap and be a star score so we can get that version. You are asking Trey Young to be somebody that he is the complete opposite.

Yep. You're asking him to run around to play off ball. He does not do that. 100%, which is why he's C tier and Dara's gone his B tier.

Yeah. There is growing health concerns with Garland that pretty soon if there's another playoff run impact of injury, we will have to have a conversation. But for now he's the most

versatile guard on here in terms of playing on and off ball besides Steph Curry who's obviously we go with that. He's the second most versatile guard in here in terms of off ball. It can still be a great on ball point guard running bench units without

D. Mitch, setting up Darius Garland. I mean, setting up Jared Allen. Solid B. Yeah. Okay. There's a world in which you can get to A tier, I think. Garland? There's a world. If they, like, make a run, make the championship this year, I'm the best version. Very best, yes. Yeah. I agree. And so then grasp. If it's there for Tyre's Maxi's there for Garland.

I don't know if they're going to allow him to do that when you have Mobley and DeMitch. Maybe not. maybe no because you because you know even like the the moments and the and all those like clutch moments and stuff where where you would have somebody take over the game and you say all right like you know go cook de mitch is taking all of those shots what i think they do at least in the regular season the playoffs it was different stories everyone was hurt so de mitch was like i got us every single time in the regular season the last year i think he did defer to deer is going quite

a bit but the playoffs come around de mitch is like i see the basket i need to put it in there because he said, listen, I gave you all 82 games, right? I saved my energy for this moment. I'm getting these shots up. Yeah. And to be fair, everybody was hurt. We'll see what happens this year if they're healthy. I have a feeling that DeMitch will be a takeover guy in the playoffs forever.

Yeah. For better, for good reason. Chris Paul. Oh, it was just Veterans Day the other day, too. You're right. It was Veterans Day. Salute to Chris Paul. salute to an amazing career.

It is over after. Emmanuel quickly. Can you joining him? Salute. Put that fucking a minute. I got to take that salute back. Yeah. Probably FTA,

as far as starting point guards go. Yeah. He might not be the worst one. There's some tanking teams that don't count. Like, yeah, he's better than whoever the nets are rolling out the ball with. But among starters that their teams feel confident is their starting point guard, it's on the lower end. I've had more time since he's been the, starting point guard of the rafters thinking wow he should not be the starter as opposed to

okay this is our building block of the future yeah he has moments where it makes sense and you see the vision come together there's way too many people out there that would say maybe he should be a six man and like they're not crazy i agree i think that's no because he was that yeah exactly yeah he should go back for a reason josh giddy this is a very uncomfortable situation right now because i know fans look at his stats people watch it's going to be like oh yeah he's for sure B tier. And really, I think he's like C or D, B person. I vote D. I'll go, I'll go see.

You got to dig me at the motherfucking grave, D. You're going to have to go down with the ship and you're going to have to convince me. I would go see because I do think that he has genuinely improved to get to, to get to B. I mean, you got to do it in the playoffs. I got to see that. I don't know.

Next to Trey Young. I mean, like, listen, we can criticize that Tray Young all we want. Hell not. Are we for real? Hell not. Listen, I'm sorry, the last couple years of, and that was your man. Like, he is not being good. Do you know what Josh Giddy looks like in a half court offense?

Terrible. He's a lot of fake stats. It's a lot of super fake stats, right. He's not F tier or anything. He's not the worst guards in the league. No, but he's not efficient at all. He's still 58% at the rim, same has been ever forever. He's been coasting his reputation off of running and transition,

and it's a very valuable skill. Good for him. He has been a good passer. That is still a D tier. You know what this? All this is telling me is that maybe we should move Trey to D tier. Hey. Maybe both of them should be DT and James should be in C by himself.

I think it would be cataclysmically disrespectful to Trey Young to put him in the same tier as Josh Giddy. And I can respect the first six games he had where he was going crazy. Once again, I will have to die and go down with the ship and you will have to dig me out the grave for me to change my stance here. We have not talked positively about Trey Young. 33% of the time over the last. three years.

Yeah, but guess what? We have not talked positively about Josh Giddy almost 90% of the time, bro. I am fully a believer that he can get into an all-star game this year because the bulls went sliding more games that people think and there has to be bodies in the east and he has good points rebounds assist. I believe you. And if that will give you the idea that we're completely wrong and we need to put him in B-tier, fine.

If that's your metric there, I'm cool with that. He can be an all-star. I still will firmly believe that what we can acknowledge he's a good player, just like Blamello ball is, there will always be dramatic downsides. The building around him in a playoff setting with the half-court offense that I would rather have Trey Young. Yeah. Like easily. What's his go-to move?

Josh Gady. You know he just got his ankles broken by just running. He just got his ankles broken by DeAndre Hunter and now he actually's out with injury. He missed the game. Wait, because the ankle break? Yeah, because I'm not lying to you. I used to make up shit, but no, that's actually true.

If this was every point in the league, he said I usually make a good. Yeah, I was going to make shit up, but this is actually true. I normally lie, but... If we were doing every performer across the league, then he would be C or B, but because this is all starters and, like, Lamello's D, D, like, that feels fair. Yeah. John Morant.

D-Tier. D-tier. Listen, in this year, it's hard, it's getting harder and harder to justify saying it'll get better, when so far it's gone worse every single game. The production is not there. The effort is not there. The vibes horrendous. stock has never been lower.

I'm not going to say that he's not a starting point guard in the league, but I am going to say that just like Lamello and just like Josh Giddy, right now we are questioning whether or not John Morant is a guy that we want to build our team around. I think that that's detailed. I don't even think we're questioning it. I think we definitely, we don't want to build a team on John Morant. He can still be a part of a winning team one day. He has more than enough time to prove us wrong.

But as of today, there's no world in which I want to build around him with $40 million a year. I agree. I think this is the first time ever where everyone. is an ingredient in where he is the most flawed star point guard that you've came across over the last five to six years. Like, of course, like, people used to compare hearing Betray Young all the time. And even us, like, we would take jaw over Trey.

But we know that, okay, like, you're not a good shooter. You've never been a good shooting your entire life. That's okay. But with the avenues of success in which you are able to get your buckets off, you're heavily rely independent on a certain type of big and a singular play style. without that singular play style you turn into a pumpkin an office

you turn into a squash you turn into a tomato like what are we you turn into a cucumber you do nothing on the court a squash is crazy dude you're a cumquot I don't know

you're a cutie like what are we doing right now yeah so I can deal with the often filled issues I can deal with a I can deal with an point guard that doesn't have an outside jumper I can deal with an aging veteran guard

who doesn't have the athleticism he once did I can deal with the point guard that doesn't defend at a high level. I can't deal with all four of those things in one player. Yeah. It's over. Ryan Rawlins. Currently averaging 17 points, 5.7 assists while being a damn good defender, shooting 45% from 3. 6.3, 6.8, wingspan.

I'm thinking C tier. I'm thinking B tier. I'm thinking B tier, you know what I'm saying? Ryan Rawlins. I'm thinking B's too much. Really thinking B plus. All right. I'm thinking he is C tier, though. I think for a lot of teams, I would rather have him than Trey Young. And I would damn sure rather have him than James Hardin for a lot of teams.

And I think that for Ryan Rollins right now, not only is he playing really, really well, he is saving a legacy. He really is. He is keeping Yannis in Milwaukee single-handedly. Yeah, I agree with you. Like, if it wasn't because of his emergence, then we're already consistently having Yonis Trey talks right now. But because of him, we're not. Exactly. Him and the Nassas are doing the most to maintain, to maintain Milwaukee's economy. dude and I think that we should give him credit for the other day we were watching games during our break and I watched the Mads versus Bucks game

late in the fourth quarter Yonis fell didn't got a foul call like normal or whatever and then over there off in the cut I see someone just darting towards Janus when he fell after play and it was guess who the one and only Thanos and Tenden Kumpo knowing where his value was at it's him and Ryan Rons

you're right insane value that's C tier like he's good this has to be the most improved player He was 6.2 points in 14 minutes a game to 17 and 6 and 31 minutes a game. This is the definition of most improved player. He's okay. I think it was him. A couple years ago, he was on the Wizards and also the Warriors.

But I think the Wizards dropped him off because he was stealing like shampoo or something like that from Target. That happened in the NBA. I thought that happened in college. I heard the story. I thought it was in college. That's why he dropped like a low pick. Maybe. Maybe I'm confused.

Maybe I'm confused. I don't know. But hey, man, like going from that. to this he's going to get paid oh no didn't he sign of discussing contract extension? I don't remember if so he's going to get paid soon regardless eventually he will be giving

it back yeah yeah I think I want to say he's going to do mad commercials for like Milwaukee grocery stores is he he'll get paid no I wouldn't want to do that and that's our cheer list I think we did it I think this is accurate yeah I think the only thing that can change Josh Giddy can earn himself to see

I suppose if we're not being haters but you know I'll go down with the shipping of Gosh, kiddie hater, I'll live. And obviously, John Moran can bounce back and get out of D tier. Not. He can. He can.

If he just shoots him, if he shoots normal, isn't the worst shooter in the league, then yeah, you can get out of there. Also, Ryan Rylans signed a three-year $12 million deal that is starting this year. Sheesh. Yeah.

And that's the type of deal that is smart GM makes to keep Janus in Milwaukee. Good for them. And that is our tier list. You never want to be the best contract in the league. You damn sure don't want to be the best contract in the league. that's the worst feeling the Austin Reeves

next thing we were going to do that really is I would fire my agent if we signed the deal and everyone was like oh my God that's the best deal

their GM's a genius what a value sighting Denny of Diaz agent he needs to be launched as the fucking son 100% he's making like

$14 million a year got a couple years left too that's crazy nasty word oh I got this prop pop up the lucky part

for Riron said the last year is the play option so he will be declined also he did steal why he was in the NBA that was it yeah sorry

I heard that story I assumed it was college he's been charged with seven counts of patentee license according to Fox 5 DC

he used to groceries body wash and candles like was it an accident why I have no idea I don't know the background of the story I like missed this

Yeah I got to go blow my nose man And plus reading this story It's fry the fuck out of me I got to blow my nose Oh man I did not know that I heard the story It was when it happened

It slipped by me A couple months ago when he started popping off After last year I heard the story Of like One mistake should not define Ryan wrong He's earning a spot on the bucks. I was like, hell yeah. I heard that.

And I assumed it was a Leangelo Ball situation. I assumed the theft came in college when it always happens. Like, James Winston and shit like that. I didn't know it was while you're an NBA player. But just I still don't. I have no idea the people are, so I guess I won't say anything. Yeah. Crazy turn.

Okay. The next thing we're going to do, aside from Ryan Rollins' discourse, I'm going to name an NBA team. And I want you to tell me the biggest mistake they've, made in recent years we'll say in the last 25 seasons since 2000 what is the biggest modern mistake this NBA team has ever made first off I wonder who I'm going to start with I wonder oh no we didn't start there okay the Milwaukee bucks the biggest mistake the bucks have made it's trading for Dean Miller right now it probably has to be that right yeah you cut them and you

gave him a big check and now you have 20 million dollars just for no reason sitting on your books Like, they dug themselves out of it. And it wasn't a bad, it's hard to say because it wasn't a bad decision. You know, when it happened, it made sense everybody was excited as hell. It just didn't work. So it's hindsight. I don't think there's anything else I did that was outright, ridiculous to give it to. Yeah, I'm not sure.

But you're right. Anytime that you're paying somebody tens of millions of dollars to not be on your team, that is a bad decision. Yeah. So. Whoa. Sign a day. Golden State Warrior star, Steph Curry, Under Armour have parted ways. What?

that's crazy whoa the curry brand curry standalone endeavors the curry brand will move forward independently so he was gonna keep curry brand it's the under armor

he took everything it's like Jordan leaving what happened to the fox shoe it stays it's just under curry brand independently that's crazy that's why he's called the curry fox too

not the underarmor oh wow that's actually okay Nico Harris I'm gonna be managing him now just by his wrongs yeah yeah the

Bucks has to be the Damien Lilitrade. They're doing it as good as they can to dig themselves out of it, but... Bron is so nasty. He's going to get stuff to go to Nike. Hold on. Bring Curry to Nike. All right. If he does that, yo, go.

You got it. You got it. All right. Bucks, Damiener Laudette trade. Memphis Grizzlies. So, we'll talk about this era. What was the mistake of the Jha and Jaron era that led to it being where we are? Letting go of Dylan Brooks.

You know what it is? It's letting go Dylan Brooks. People say a half joking? Then they decided to trade two first-time picks for Marcus Smart. That was the only move. Again, wasn't bad in the moments. He didn't do a damn thing in Memphis worth note. In fact, he was actively bad in Memphis.

He did it. Honestly, I would say, I would say hiring your coach without doing a proper, oh, that's also a jackass move. When you are at a very, very key, like, fork in the road, you just traded Desmond Bain, you know that, and actually, I may at this point, but like, you are at an inflection point with your franchise and you did not do. your due diligence on your coaching hire now we're in this mess that that feels like it like a big mistake it's up there it's all cumulative i guess hiring you solo isn't bad he's not working to start

the year he still could work like by the time you're watching us in a couple months it could work and we're saying he's a good coach now but simple the simple principle of not doing a coaching search it's just strange yeah yeah exactly also letting go with stephen at stephen adams not realizing how valuable he was to your franchise john morant crazy work Sometimes there's a lot of things led to where we are now, a lot of cumulative decay of the roster. Yeah. Where are your vets? Who are your vets, man?

Marky Smart was the only move. That was swinging for contention. You're right. I remember because they tried so many times to offer all these picks. They tried to trade for McCall Bridges. I think we had a slight conversation about them with KD. Jimmy Butler, they tried to reach out to Miami for Jimmy Butler. Jimmy was like, I do not want to stay with Memphis at all.

They tried. They swung. And they just missed time after time after time. Yeah, at least they tried. It wasn't ridiculous. Atlanta Hawks Dejante Murray Damn you

Actually not damn you But it's like yo Landry Fields Super damn you No what's the name The owner's son That apparently pushed for it It starts with an R

I forget his name I don't remember it but damn him Apparently he was the architect Behind the Dejante Murray thing He's still there Yeah that set our organization back For a couple Over like maybe a year

Or two years or so You're still feeling it Like there's still They lost so many assets Doing that That was an all the move that like they would be so much further along right now if it wasn't for that.

Trey Young's reputation is in the gutter partially because of that. Thank God the Pelicans do them a life raft and giving Dyson Daniels for him. Exactly. Without that pick, we would be dead. Dude, they didn't have Dyson Daniels right now?

Where would they be? I don't know where it would be if we didn't have to. Tensy. Still. Nah. Trey Young would be in San Antonio. Dyson or fucking. Jalen Johnson, too.

God, man. If they didn't get Dyson Daniels in that trade, Trey Young would have been traded the Spurs last year instead of Dier and Fox. probably yeah there's a scenario in which that is true and i hate it miami heat ooh worst decisions they made worse so in their modern history

trading for terry ruse year oh that was bad that was so bad that was bad that was bad but first round pick for terrier's year the white side deal oh that was a huge contract they they gave whiteside ninety six million i would have him a i would give him a two hundred million dollars man prime white side they moved you I think yeah I think like they were obviously able

to navigate themselves out of that but that deal was so so bad do we change it up a little bit and go with them allowing Dway to wear Chicago Bulls jersey

and then a Cleveland Cavaliers jersey if we want to talk about that yeah it also change it up a little bit and being like them allowing D. Wade to be wrapped with that ugly ass statue

that they have bro embarrass him in his lineage what the fuck they really did Dway dirty in many occasions. Yeah. Do we want to go even further and say retiring Michael Jordan's number

when he never played for the franchise? Oh, we damn sure. That is the biggest mistake they've ever made. The topic of this video is modern mistakes about the last 10 years or so. We will make a huge, huge exception for them doing that shit. That is so embarrassing.

Yeah. O. D. Glazing. He fans should have shame. Shame, shame, shame upon them. Sacramento Kings. Where did they go wrong in his era of lighting the beam? Everything.

everything what but specifically trade in Tyrese Halliburton yeah like they were good after that they had the beam season you still wish you had Halliburton but like hindsight okay deciding to have the pivot after your good season when you have a one bad one being to Marta Rosen that would that was that did it and then seeing that and say as that's like Levine to that as well yeah I just they they don't have any hope right now they really haven't had any hope for the last 20, 25 years.

The Halliburton could have been. You see what Tyrese did for the Pacers. You could have had that and you traded that away. Yeah. Honestly, also too, it's respectable to the heart and I like to see when organizations follow a player and they grant them their request when it comes to where they want to be traded to. They shouldn't have listened to Deer & Fox.

DeN Fox respect or not, you're the Kings. No one respects you at the end of the day. Like, you should try to maximize your peak value for. for someone like him, even though he wasn't like it wasn't a robust market bro, you gotta pay up a little bit more

what did they get from? Zach Collins? What did they get from? I don't remember. No one remembers. They got some picks is the main thing. Yeah, stuff.

Bullshit picks. Yeah, Traylorton. The news picks. Halliburton, keeping him would have been smarter and then deciding to go down this path and leading to Martyr Rosen

was the death blow. Yeah. Los Angeles Lakers. You know good and well what it is. Yeah. Tell me. Trading for Russell Westbrook. God damn.

head of here at one time. I'm a masochist. Now, in principle, you could talk to the stupidest person in the world and talk to him about how this makes sense. LeB. being injured like that. We have Russell Westbrook. We play hard all the time and don't be missing games. But he do be missing the rim all of the time. So it's pros and cons. We're talking about this many times. It's definitely that. He shut the window shut for LeBron and A.D. being able to win a championship

together after 2020, it completely destroyed their ability to do anything in free agency because they have three gigantic contracts. It was done when it happened. It was maligned by anybody with a brain. Some people might convince themselves that, oh, we'll get LeBron sitting screens

and maybe we'll get Russ to buy into doing the little things. Incorrect. He did all the big things. I did all the big things poorly. Yeah. So I think it's that. And also, I think it's going from gold to yellow. They are not the purple and gold anymore.

They wear bright yellow. That's a bigger affront. to the bus legacy. It honestly is. They're bananas. This is the Savannah bananas out here. It's terrible. Mavericks.

Hmm. What could possibly be wrong? Have they done anything crazy? I just want to take the second for us to get one more last opportunity to laugh of Nico Collins. I mean, Nico Harrison. I want us to laugh at Nico Harrison for a good 30 seconds straight. He will be remembered over the last like at least bare minimum of 50 years.

like the talking point of the idiot of the decade for other than a fucking decade I'm gonna predict that one point we're gonna turn Nico into a verb

anytime somebody makes a bad mistake this guy just Nikoed yeah he Nikoed all over himself Nikoed all over himself He walked in an office

and he Nikoed all over everybody Oh man I just had a Niko moment bro I'm Nico in call now come down All the other Nicos in the world like yo

I'm Nico into my airs Yeah thing Yeah man Man, it's all bad. Yeah. When you make a deal and everyone's like, man, stop playing. Like, that's fake. Yeah.

Bro, wanted to keep it in secret. And to this day, every time somebody's asked about it, every player that goes in a podcast is asked, where were you when the lucre trade happened? And every single time their answer is, bro, I thought that shit was fake. They talk about that shit like it's 9-11 or some shit like that. Like it's like the first COVID variant just dropped. Like it's 9-11 in the age of AI. So they were like, no way that that really happened.

Yeah, that's crazy. crazy man it's like it's definitely going to be in like 50 years from now when we're all in or when our kids kids are in history class somehow some way this is going to make it's way into the section like history russ history the one business move that tank the GDP of a city exactly uh pelicans where did they go wrong we can do the ad era the zion era moving to normans yeah the first place low key that does feel like that's probably the biggest now, that nothing has gone well since they moved to New Orleans. Yeah, and it's not this, like, their current state is not even at, like, it's not the product

of a singular move. Well, no, they were already in New Orleans. They were just the Hornets, but they were in New Orleans originally. Bringing the Pelicans back. Okay, ever since they rebranded to the Pelicans, everything has gone poorly. We always talk about New Orleans being cursed. It's really this goddamn Pelican that's cursed. Yeah.

Before we talk about taking this team away from New Orleans, we've got to change their mascot. cut the most like outstanding time over the last five to six years that i've had watching the warrens basketball featured londo j jredit um reddick then there was zion of course there too and i forget who their center was that was an amazing didn't do a damn thing in the world no it's a vibe in presence there was just there but you know what they liked up dame that one series they did that was really good for that let's like let's specifically focus on the zion era they're terrible now where the zion era go wrong.

Drafting Zion. Which, I'm guessing. I don't want to draft jaw. Like, is the, is the right move. Is supposed to drive RJ Barrett? I don't know, man. It's everything. Like, there's just so much.

It's not one particular thing that one wrong. Trading for DeJonthe Murray is probably the biggest reason we are where we are now. Not read, not even. We can't keep doing this. To Johnson Murray, we're like acquiring him is the worst thing. Well, they trade for him when he was already, like, on the low end. and they decided to go all in on that and he got hurt immediately

like that's probably the death blow here that's why they're one of the worst teams in the league no it's not I think why they're one of the worst teams of league is because they fucked up Joe Dumars yeah well that too and then also they completely fucked up the package that they got 4 AD and drew holiday and they walked away with little to nothing

Jordan Hawkins you also have Trey Murphy he's the best thing that we got from this there were a playoff team two years ago though when they had Trey Murphy Herb Ingram and Zion all playing well they managed to make a playoff series and they had a top 10 defense like there was a point where they got something decent out of that and then they traded away ingram then i would say yeah firing david griffin yeah and hiring joe dumars

is one of the biggest it's like you are already like bad and you got way worse because you had one guy in the building that was like hey we should actually be a real franchise and then they're like man you're being too serious like we just want to have fun it probably is hiring joe dumars just because he immediately decided to trade away the first-on pick that next year might bless the hawks we will see time will tell there but that very well could be the worst trade you're telling me he traded that pick and then four months later he's like yo i don't have any playoff expectations you guys are crazy man did that did that right before that obviously he couldn't have known gave the pacers their pick back yeah they could have been in a situation he's the cursed one they the the pelicans

really could have been in a situation where they had two top 10 picks next year if you had the Pacers pick and your pick. And now both of those picks are elsewhere. So if you would just stay patient and didn't try to change it all in one draft and go all in on this year. Crazy situation. You could have had AJ and Camboozer. Yeah, you would have traded. You would have changed the entire

trajectory of your franchise for the next 15, 20 years. And now that's not a guarantee that would happen, but it's a guarantee it won't happen now. He could have went to AP and spent 200K. And that's not possible anymore. Washington Wizards. Where did they go wrong? They gave Bradley Bill all the money

the world and said on top of that here's a no trade clause that's the worst part the no trade clause is by far the worst decision they made they waited way too long to get rid of him way to wait a way to long trade kuzma they held onto that era as long as they could they tried real hard to be competitive around bradley beale like that's a sentence that makes sense like we're gonna like we're gonna make the playoffs with this core it was a ridiculous thing and made the rebuild take way too long they didn't tank in the victor wimp and yama draft but they decide to tanking all in in the zachary Ries Sashay draft. And then you go ahead in between those years, too, and you get rid of Denny of Diyah,

because you want to prioritize something like Bilal Kulabali, who's onto nothing right now. And Denny's the all-star right now as you speak. Denny put up like 26 points. Then he gets to the line like 10 times a game. I don't know if y'all know that, but he'd be pretty cool next to Alex R, I think. Yeah. Does good players? Yeah.

They're not, they're not all interested in having good players. Yeah, the Bradley building was a nightmare. Yeah. No trade clauses. Toronto Raptors. where did they go wrong after the championship window Kwai Leonard was shut but then they had a couple good years after that

waiting too long to blow it up Yeah they waited wait one year too long on Siakum and OG And then they finally trade OG Who they really should have traded the year before That was the one where he was in all the rumors And they immediately gave Emmanuel quickly a fat ass contract Yep they said yo I don't even need to see none bro Tell me what you get at and I believe in your here's 200 money

They really said let me know what you want and I'll trust it And it didn't go well Top tier tricks bro Masaiji was a trick he was going for anything bro anything you tell him yeah bro he's going for it easy as lick

it wasn't terrible in the moment to take a bet on the guy you believe in and like trust it the money had to go to someone that shit did not age well looking back it was a huge mistake it had to get his ass out of there immediately golden state warriors

what stopped him from reinvigorating their championship window after 2022 violence could be violence it could be the NBA draft Steve Kerr and how he worked out Anthony Edwards too and shit like that's that's probably the biggest mistake is taking you had an

opportunity to have the number two overall pick you could have had a star but you took James Wiseman yeah that's probably it yeah it has to be the Wiseman pick and the coming up pick to a lesser extent those there's also plenty of good players that could have went there with that

pick but at least he's a playable player the Wiseman thing like it is truly such a once in a generation opportunity to have a championship team and you take a number two overall pick to supplement it, like many teams would beg for that opportunity and to squander it on absolutely nothing, you didn't even get mid with that pick?

You got absolutely nothing. You waved Weissman at one point, didn't you? No, no, no, no. They traded away for almost nothing. They traded him for like four first, four second round picks. Yeah. So they can go get GP2.

Yeah. That's a great. Essentially trade in for GP2. Yeah. Yeah. Tough shit. Yeah, that's the worst one in their history. It's really not close, honestly.

in the last of 10 years it's not close and that's the last one tough sad stuff this was all a fun way to laugh and Eico Harrison next thing we are going to do we are going to play the five levels game

okay I'm gonna name you five NBA duos you tell me who is better them or Luca and Austin Reeves okay who is better than the swagged out white boys in L.A level one Luca and Austin Reeves or Franz and Pallo

Luca and Austin Reeves Hell fucking yeah Of course I would take that We don't We don't even know Frons and Paolo aren't even a duo

They just work together Yeah Exactly They don't make each other At all No They're just too talented guys That happen

And be with the same employer Yeah Level two Kate Cunningham And Jalen Duren Yeah And during Making a big year to leap

He is But I'm still taking Luke at Austin Reeves God forbid A white boy Get a little bit Mosin man I'm taking Luke in all series all day.

Yeah, I'm sorry. There's different conversations. Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall. We've got to think about it now. And similar caliber player, top six, seven guy. You do have, you do have to think about it. The deciding factor for me, though, would be sometimes the vibes can be a little bit bad. But they've been good since he got to Minnesota.

Dude, Julius Randall's average in 25. He's like 40% from 30. He's having a great year. He's going dumb. He is who've been. However, I have seen, well, this is still two years ago, but I've seen Luca just dominate in a playoff series with Aunt. I'm going to still take Luca and Reeves.

I'm taking Luca at the end of the day. Luca carries heavy. But this is very, very close. This is the first one where, like, the second option is better than Austin Reeves. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, some of the other ones were, too, but this one's like clear point to the Timberwolves.

But okay, Luca carries past level three, level four. Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler. in 2025 at their advanced ages thing long and hard what do I need them for you're trying to win a championship this year you're taking them today to play the whole regular season

and the whole playoffs who do you trust in more to build the team around this is tough everything else around them comes afterwards Luke is very much in I'll take stephen and Jimmy because out of those

oh jimmy this year out of those four Jimmy's the best defender okay sure I guess. Sure. There's three other players to play defense on the court.

Yes, but I think that even with Luca and Reeves, you're going to need a lot. The other three players have to be, have to be like good defenders. You can get away, I guess,

with one of them. I still think Steph is like that. I still think he is. Lucas better than stuff these days. That's not really a debate, I think. There's a gap. You're correct.

But it's obviously, Is Reeves and Jimmy Butler a big gap these days? I think what Jimmy Buller provides on defense is huge compared to Austin Rees, who's not like a zero, but he's not like make a positive either. Oh, he's perfectly average. Yes. But for this season, yes, I will take Steph and Jimmy. However, next season, I know that Jimmy Butler will be mad and he will be upset at somebody.

He's already throwing shots. I'm taking Luca and Reeves. Like, they're going to be consistently healthy and consistently on the court. I'm taking them two over. I'm taking the. I'm taking the geysers, but who's level five? Okay. Level five, Shea and J-dub.

Hell no, sorry. Yeah, I'll take the Shane and J-Dubb. Yeah, both of them are a level above Luca and Reeves, respectively. They're just as good as scores, each of them compared to those two, and way better defenders than those two as well. Yeah, the defense is a million times better with those two as your nucleus. This is like... Would you take Stefan Dremont over, Luca and Reese?

Stefan Dremont over... Okay, that's weird. Yeah, but like, just knowing like that... their infrastructure, their chemistry. I mean, that's the best duo of all time. So you would take them right now? Think about the old days. Yeah, right now, probably no.

I wouldn't this dream on put up like zero points, four turnovers, turnovers, like four steals. Yeah. And he had like a plus 15. Like he's still elite, but not right now. I'm taking, I'm taking. Next thing we're going to do,

we're going to play a popular game that I've seen all over TikTok. I'm sure you guys have seen it on your feeds. I want you guys to see who can name the most guards all time in the NBA history that peaked better than Shea. Okay. So singular better gear. Yep.

Or two, three year peak. Whatever means to you, how many guards have ever been better than Shea will take turns saying how many we think we can name better than them and see who lands on the most. Okay, that sounds good. Let's see.

As a Shea Glazer, I think I can name three guards all time better than Shea. Three, damn, we're starting on Madlow. I think I can confidently say I can name five. That's it. Yeah.

Five, confident, without a doubt. Okay. You're going to let me like I'm crazy. Okay. You know what?

Fine. I'll take the jump. I can name nine. Yeah, I can name nine peaks better than shit. With better peaks and MVP, Final MVP and championship? Don't worry about all that.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, nine better. Okay. Name them nine. B. S. Prove it.

Trying to test my gangster. I see you. That you can't do it. Uh, Michael Jordan. Naturally. Step Curry. Naturally.

Naturally. Magic Johnson. Okay. Okay. Kobe-06. debate debates are starting I've seen discourse people are like oh maybe it's the better

version of Kobe but we'll give it to you naturally Kobe 06 we're going he's averaging 40 James Harder this is where I do not agree with that one quick saying is starting to sink in if we're going regular season peak maybe I don't agree with that at all

but I'll let you have it so we keep going that's five it's arguments or you're not too crazy there's a reason you could argue for Hardin so we'll like you keep going if we're talking about getting buckets T-Mack um Two, two, two thousand...

Excuse me, Roqueh, before you name your seventh third. Time out. Fuck no. Fuck no. T-Mack. T-Mack, just talking about Gennba. No, no. He was going ban for ban with Kobe.

Understand that. And Shay's going ban for band with Yokic. What does that mean to me? I know. It should mean a lot. I love fairy tales. But okay, that's number six, I guess. So, T-Mack.

We'll go, Mr. Triple-Double, Oscar Robertson. All right. What can I say to that? Salute, I suppose. Oscar Robertson will go That's seven Back to back finals Isaiah Thomas

Okay okay that's very That one I understand That's more respectable That's a good pick finally That's eight We'll go there See okay So like

I'm gonna say what some people might say Maybe not me Some people might say Steve Nash I'm not gonna say Steve Nash But potentially That's eight Can you get the 10 Starring

Well, okay. Well, if we're trying to get to 10. I'll listen to some other people. We can say Steve Nash, back to back to the piece. I think Steve Nash won the greatest engines of all the time. Take that out. D-Wade. D-Wade.

Okay. That's very fair. That's a argument. I think they're very comparable, but that's fair. Yeah, D-Wade. And then two years ago, Luca. There's no way we put that in there. There's no way we can with that slide is your last pick. He did put up like 33, 32 points a game.

He was actually like 34, 9 and 9. And the course, maybe a history. We're really going to let that be the last one. 3499 got a team to the finals was dominating people in the playoffs as well. I'm personally, after what we saw, the defensive difference, the efficiency difference, the reliability, the way you can play off ball.

I'm not, because she, to me, is comfortably better. I don't know that. My bad. You put up a good fight at 10 players, but I think, realistically speaking, we're talking about maybe like five, six players. And after that, you sound crazy. I want to see one more definitive than Lucas.

Okay, if I take out Luca, 2001, Alan Iverson. I'm not going to win this battle then because we're going to keep the game players. I'd rather pick Shea then. That's a conversation, but it's a very short one because I'm going to be done talking to you. You're going to say? It's Shea. Okay, it's Shay there too. Yeah.

You're fighting for the same spot. That's all I got. That's all I got. Yeah, it's all I got. I probably can't get to 10. We let him skate with Team Mac too. We should have been over. It should have been over.

Stop that. Don't disrespect. feedback now. Whatever. Don't do that. Whatever. Bob Coosy, potential.

Oh, all right. All right. Bricks. Mike is off. Last thing we're going to do. We're going to do a blind tier list on hoopgo.com. We can choose the category. Oh, thank goodness.

Yeah, normally, so you can do it without knowing the category, but let's choose it. Let's do, uh, there's a lot of them on here. Put franchises. This is a licekin dudes. Let's do that. Let's do that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

We have to blind tier list these light skin dudes. Who made the sight? I wonder if they're going to be like correct too. First off, Tray Young. D or bottom two. Bottom tier? No, no, no, no, no. Bottom tier?

There's a lot better light skins than Tray Young. I don't think it's better up an all-star on tier three. Maybe there's like Kelly Bray's of the world. He's also not even like, he made it all NBA team. Tier three. Multi-time, All-Star, yeah, Tier 3. Devin Booker. Okay, I think he's tier two.

I can say same tier. I mean, he's better than him, but if he's better than... If you think there's legends here, we can go Tier 3 or Tier 2. I think he's probably... I think you can argue with any light-skinned legend. There's not a lot of them. Okay. Yeah, so he's probably Tier 2.

For extracurriculars? Yeah, Tier 2. Tier 2, it is. Jalen Brunson. He's better than him, Tier 1, 2. If we do Tier 2, really, we're for 1, legend. What if Wembe's here? Not a legend yet

We want to be two or three And we'll live So we're only leaving moon For one Hallamers I think he's tier three I mean Brunton is as good as Booker Of course he is

But we know We've got to play the odds here I think by the odds Tier 3 Dude how many Hall of Famers Are going to be here Go ahead go ahead I don't know

Good Tier 3 Zach Levine Four Yeah we have put some Mature 4 at some point Okay Halliburton

Ooh okay We could finish out Yeah put all these guys In tier 3 All these point guards Yeah So Booker's a little too high, but we can live with that. Yeah.

We got to hope this Hall of Fame is going up. Yeah, because on this list, like, Levine and Booker are the two most light-skinned guys. Okay. In terms of, like, the idea of light-skinned, they are the two. You're trying to change the metrics here. I look at the finals. I think we could put Halliburton in Tier 2. I mean, who's going to be here, Reggie Miller? That's it.

That's the only guy. Is Tim Duncan light-skine? Like, is he going to be on here? No. I think he could. Or Tony Park. Steph is we're fucked He's the goat lights

I think we put I think we put Halperin tier two If Tatum's here We're fucked too actually Maybe we should keep him Keep him tier three Yeah my vote's tier three I think we get better

I say three Okay tier three it is Eric Gordon Welcome to Tier 4 You're one of the best role players in the league Thank you down there Jason Kidd

Okay so we waited for Hall of Famous That's tier two Yep We have to We play the game right This is a Hall of Fame I've I low key feel comfortable with him at

I think Curry has to be on here. I think so too. I think we're going to see better than that. Okay. And if Tatham's tier one, we'll live with that. You know, like, kids better. But like, I'd rather, I'd live with Tatum being tier one. That means we save room for Steph Curry. Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. We can't put Steph Curry below him. Reggie Miller. Figuerre this would be the case. Fuck. Tray Young should have been tier four. We should, we should have demoted Trey Young from the jump. Reggie Miller walking to tier four.

Steph Curry, tier one. This is what we wait for. This is who we plan around. We plan around. The lights can go. Job. Okay. And tier four, last. But last but not least, Derek Rose. Right. Does he even count? Probably. Yeah, he does. Okay.

Yeah, right where you belong. Okay. For totality of career, Derek Rose being fourth isn't. And MVP four, you guys are crazy. What'd you want us to do, man? Okay, so we should have put Reggie Miller tier two, book your tier three, and Trey Young, tier four. Yes.

Then we would have been good. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? We do it blind. We don't know what's going on. You win some, you lose some. We only kind of lost this one.

But we do get, we do get major. because we thought Curry was going to be on here, saved the spot for him, and he was on there. Exactly. This is the end of the episode. Goodbye. Another thing in their videos froze. Dummy.

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