The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Major Problem Every NBA Team Must Solve This Offseason | Ep. 147

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

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So I know the finals were over, you know, we said goodbye to the 2024, 2025 NBA season. So seemingly, the climax of the year is behind us. That would be true for most sports. But now is the time of year that for many NBA fans, many of you crown eaters around the nation, listen to this. This is y'all's favorite time of the year. It is the off season. It is transaction season. It is trade season.

It's rumor season, slop season, whatever you want to call it, we're here to finally usher in that era of the NBA calendar. What we're going to do to celebrate that? we're going to do our annual one problem every single NBA team needs a solve episode we're going to talk about every single team what they need to accomplish this off season what their big picture phase of their timeline is should be a good one

so don't talk to me about basketball don't talk to me about picking rolls don't talk to me about skip passes I don't want to hear any of that I want drama I need drama and transactions I need shams alerts on my phone every 30 minutes for the rest of the summer yeah brother and they've been hitting as of late

specifically hitting for me. This is the greatest time of my life and the most fun I have had as a Hawks fan on off the court. It doesn't matter in the last like three years. It's been to get a couple days for you.

Life is great. Cherish it. Well, it lasts. You guys know how it works. Every single NBA team, their biggest problem, their biggest agenda, one thing we want to see them

accomplishes off season. Let's get right into it. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters, rejoice. You guys know how this works. When we do these episodes, we talk about every single NBA team and give you one thing about them. Each of us have 10 teams to pick between us.

We all have those 10 teams assigned. We come with what we think the answer is. Everybody else talks about it, but each person has their set of teams. Donovan, you go first. Who is your first thing you want to talk about? Let's talk about the Golden State Warriors. Okay.

They need to fix their problem of not having half-back dive in their playbook. Okay. So they need a slasher. They need an interior presence? They need a slasher. They need a more interior presence. The number one thing that everyone talks about, especially pre-Gimmy trade, was like, this team gets such a bad whistle. And you can fix that by game two things.

And they got one of them. You can get somebody who knows how to Griffiths like Jimmy Butler and who can get to the line. or you can get somebody who just puts pressure on the room because the Warriors, they don't do it at all, right? That's not their game. That's not their style. That is not how their offense is set up. And to win in this league, unless you have peak Steph Curry,

it is very hard to win if you are not getting to the basket. If you are not giving yourself opportunities to get layups. And so you think that Jonathan Camingo would have been that guy? I was going to say that. It's a big elephant in the room. We're not talking about. You think that would be the end. answer, right? It's very clear. Here's a guy, six, seven, very athletic can try to get to the

basket. Steve Kerr hates him. So he's clearly not the long term or really short term answer for this team. So they need to go out and find somebody or find something that they can put in that role to actually get it. Yeah. And so we're mentioning slashing and interior finishing as the main purpose of this. I think you can also like broaden a little bit general athleticism up and down the roster. Yes. They're manned by three old superstars who are still, well, I'm not saying superstars for all of them, but three core players that are above the age of 34 who are all still

fantastic at what they do. They all clearly fit. We saw that run in the end of last season where the synergy post-Jemy Butler, the vision works. I think that is without a doubt we can say that. We'll see what Steph Curry is like at this age. Obviously, every year is a gamble of when that fall off eventually come. I don't think next year is the year where Steph Curry's wash.

We don't got to worry about that necessarily. So yeah, just flanking those olds with youngs is the number. number one priority. Yeah, I agree with you. Like, you would think that Jonathan was going to be as a guy, but there's so many other things that's missing in his game that for someone I see for her, just doesn't feel like it's worth the try because of the continuous passes that he misses the defensive assignments, the lapses when it comes to rebounding, all those things. And then obviously, too, Jimmy Butler used to be that. But at his old age now, that is the last thing that he wants to put his body through. Plus, also, you said it a couple of episodes ago, he had a

broken booty. And when it comes to laboring that type of injury, it sucks. And I'm sure, like, it changes the psyche and his approach to the game as time goes on, which we clearly saw that. So do we want to see, like, so how do we make this happen? Obviously, they don't have a ton of paths available that think they can open at the full mid-level exception, which could be somebody we can look across the free agents to decide that. Is it a, so I guess the first question is, do we want them to keep Jonathan Kaminga? We're mentioning all this stuff. Like, we need to find them a new Kaminga essentially, do they keep the old one and get somebody else in there and kind of like try to bolster athleticism with him? Or is it a signing trade and get him out of there

and try to get reclamation projects or whatever it may be that you can get for him? I would think that you would go into this year and it's like, this is the last dance. Yeah. If I'm Joe Laco, I'm getting Steve Kerr and I'm getting Kaminga and I'm putting them in a room. I said, whatever problems that you guys have, figure it out. Because realistically, you're not going to get a better opportunity to add a slasher than somebody who is still super young like Kaminga, somebody who's been in the building. And even though that he hasn't played as much as you would like him to play, he's still been in the system. There is still continuity and some familiarity there. So you have to figure it out. And so I would think that

the ideal thing for them would be to figure something out with Kaminga. Now, trivia a question for you guys. Okay. When was the last time that the Golden State Warriors were top 10 in room percentage in terms of...

Rim field goal. Yeah. They've probably been higher in field goal percentage, but the volume is probably pretty low. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like volume.

I'm gonna say 2016. Probably 2018. The last Kevin Durant year. Oh, you're saying volume? Mm-hmm. Oh, volume. Fuck. Yeah.

Top 10 in volume. Let's say 2017. Yeah. That's only that makes sense. If not, then it's probably like before Steph days. 2007, 2008. Yeah. It's been a long time

since they've been one of the best teams like getting to the room in terms of all you. Now when they had KD those two years like the first two years they were top 15. And I'm sure the efficiency was outrageous. Yeah. But they don't that that wasn't a part of the game and again when that's the when you have prime step prime clay prime KD and you can pull up from three and take all the jumpers that you want. That's fine. But it's been so long.

since this team has... I wonder where they ranked in 2022 when they won the championship. Again, like, I'm sure it's not necessarily needed to be top 10 or top 5 or whatever, but around the top 15 range, it does like 100% make sense because back

then they had slashes like Andrew Wiggins, who was a demon downhill, especially that year. And so that 100% makes sense. I agree with you. I'm not sure, like, what are the real pathways or avenues to that when it comes to free agents or they should make a trade. In 2022, sorry, in 2022,

they were 25th in room volume wow that's just not their bag and that's not the recipe to win and i don't think that's necessarily issue for real because i mean they came in with god knows how like four championships so it's not the it's not the biggest biggest issue but it is a super easy pathway to lead to more opportunities off you read the volume isn't the issue because they're always low in volume but in 22 23 24 there was second third and fifth in rim efficiency this past year 18th and obviously they're 18th because of the first half of the year in which it was terrible and was distraught the offense didn't make sense. I'm sure opposed Jimmy, if I limit these stats of that, they're a lot better.

If we're looking at the playoffs, they were 13th, but that's not a playoff team. So I guess that's still pretty bad. So that's not they're back. 16? Yeah, that's bad. So again, we're saying all these things, Kamiga is the answer, theoretically. So obviously, find a interior athletic presence to fill around these guys at the priority, and specifically decide if Kamiga is that answer or not.

That's really what their number one problem is, is the Kaminga problem. that their exact needs are Jonathan Kaminga and their exact problem is they don't really want Kaminga to be that guy seemingly. Actually, no what, no, maybe it's not that. Their exact problem is that Kaminga doesn't want it to be that guy. He doesn't want to be the ancillary piece. He wants to, he just said it in an interview straight up. He wants to prove that he can be

a 25 more per game score and more power to him. He's up for a payday and he hasn't had a chance to prove he deserves max money. In his mind, I get why that makes sense. He wants to go somewhere. He can get to touches and show that if you make me a featured score on your team, I can be exactly as productive as the other guys in the league that get these bags. Jalen Green got a bag.

like that he's like i see that you put me on that team i could do that so i understand why he feels that way he doesn't want to be this ancillary piece that plays off of these stars more power to him i hope you're right for yourself but that creates a divide yeah but it's also it's it's so funny because jane green got the bag from the team that drafted him right so many times if you are if you are on a team that is successful people look at you like you are better than you are right like a lot a lot of times it's very it's very rare that you see somebody on a bad team put up 25 points per game and somebody looks at them and like yeah that's a that's a winning player right a lot of times they get paid though they they sometimes sometimes sometimes but you don't get the the best

of both worlds in terms of getting the bag and the recognition of you are an actual winning player I don't think he gives a fuck about that I think he wants a bag I don't think he gives a fuck about the reputation but even what I'm saying is like those those players are often traded so I can I can understand why for him, he's like, just get me out of here so I can do it. But if getting a bag is the priority, being a good player on a good team and showing that you have all these other skills, that is also a very good way and a good pathway to getting a bag. Right now he's getting either pathway, though. Right now they're deeming he can't be that player. Yeah, yeah.

I understand his perspective. I'm not sure if I believe in the vision he has himself. I'm glad he has a vision for himself. Shout out of confidence. But I understand what he wants to be out of there. And I think the Warriors should probably free him. Yeah. What's your team?

The Warriors first flaw, the first problem to solve, the Kamiga problem. Who's number two for you? So number two for me or my, I guess my number one is the boss of Celtics. Now, this is very interesting because they are at an inflection point in there over the last few years because, okay, you go ahead. You get over the hump. You win a championship with Jalen Brown and Jason, we do the big thing. Everyone swore up and down that wasn't able to happen. You did it.

Cool. You get off of those contracts and you save an immense amount of money when it comes to getting off of Drew Holliday's contract and also Chris Sautzzias. You basically salary dumped those guys. Yep. And you have on your roster, of course, Jalen Brown is still there. You're fielding hella, hella, hella interests. And you have Anthony Simons as well, which is a good deal for you. It's just a whatever player.

Salad dump. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Pretty much a salary dump. in my mind this is a down year and their biggest need for this team is just finding pieces that could stick with you in the long haul just finding scraps because at this point you don't have any real ambitions or obviously powers to completely or to try to compete in any way but also in my mind you probably don't want to bottom out but if they do end up bonding and body route and if that's the route honestly the issue is what they need to solve is what they want to do yeah pick a direction right Exactly. So the direction is either, A, like, keep someone like Jalen Brown and try to find scraps around them that could be even better and kind of juice up your team when Jason Tentu comes back or completely bottom out and pray to God that you get that number one overall pick. Who's the potential number one overall pick up this year to your, to your knowledge so far, Isaac. There's a, there's a couple of them. It could be DeBanza, boosier.

DeBanza, ironically enough, is from fucking Massachusetts. So it feels like it's set up for it to happen. That would be such a like dream story. for them to be a year off because of injury sucks bright spot you reunite tate them into bansa yeah exactly yeah so they have two paths obviously after shedding these two big salaries they can either like you said try to remain relevant and make the playoffs around jalen brown around derrick white and if that's the case your biggest problem you need the center you got to have somebody that is going to be able to start over Xavier Tillman that can't be your starting center as of next year you can't have a Tillman georgias Nyang front court that'd be quite gross yeah exactly I agree and

obviously like go ahead or or you're you do start. George's Ney and Tillman front court and you go all in. You find some Reclamation Project young guys hope you can turn them around and make them

either trade assets for the deadline and make their value recoup it like the Thunder did in their two years when they were tanking real bad or you have them so next year they prove

that they can be valuable when Tadman's back. Pick a path. Either be shitty and make some young guys have value or be decent and find yourself a starting center.

Yeah, I agree. And in general whatever the pathway is like the starting center position needs to be addressed quicker than sooner because obviously like how Hoffer's done it

be there. Shout out to him. He's still going to be playing good basketball. But how is he going to look? Not this upcoming year, but two years from now when Tatum is fully back and healthy. I don't fucking know. He's going to be like 40 years old. Regardless of the pathway, that needs to be addressed sooner than later. If they're tanking, they should probably let him walk and have his like swan song with another contender. Or if they're trying to be competitive, keep him and let him be a franchise legend and he'll help you make the playoffs, make that push. Yeah, exactly. I agree. Now, if you were the boss of Celtics and a team gave you an outrageous just overpay for something like Jalen Brown,

a finals MVP, NBA champion, one of the best shooting yards in the league consistently over the last six, seven years. How do you feel about that? If someone throws you a whale of an offer, even better than what the Rurali Magic giveaway for a dozen bane?

Well, listen, if Dylan Harper's over there getting sent around and trade packages for like the Spurs or something, yeah, I'm going to take it. But I don't, I mean, what do you think? I don't think they have to trade Jaylon Brown unless it's like something like that where you get a player of that caliber that you think is a long-term piece.

They can do either way. Yeah, I don't think they have to, I wouldn't move Jalen Brown. I think you've already, because of Tatum's injury and then now because of the, of the two trades, going into next year, you're going to be, you're going to be down three of the, of the guys that won a championship for you a year and a half ago. Yeah. Right.

And that's, that's a lot of change to happen very, very quickly. And if you trade Jalen Brown, whenever Tatum comes back, that situation is going to be completely different. And thinking about Tatum being in his prime, obviously he's going to have to rehab, but still in his athletic peak, I don't think I want to start from zero. Yeah. The way that it would be if you traded Brown and now it's just and now it's Tatum, Derek White and whatever. Yeah, because Horford's probably going to be gone.

It's going to be them too. And in your first-time draft pick from last night, Hugo Gonzalez, like, no. Yeah, I don't think you trade Tatum unless, I mean, trade Jim Brown, unless you're also trading Derek White and then also trade. Tatum a year later, like, unless you're full on blowing it up and like going thunder mode where you're going to be atrocious for two years and then try to make a really quick rebuild, which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but you're not going to do that just because the dynamic of Jason Tatum being hurt and you don't want to like feel like you're just like

abandoning the era because he's out for a year. That would just be like, that's a hard dynamic to do, even if you do feel like it's smart. And it probably isn't smart because Tatum's going to come back and I'm sure be a great player again. So if your goal is a one-year turnaround, I don't see how trading Jalen Brown makes it so you have the best situation possible when Tatum returns unless you're trading him for another star that's maybe a little bit younger or a little bit better fit, a little bit cheaper.

What if a team like the, okay, minus the cheaper part. What if a team like the Memphis Grizzies wanted to do not a one-for-one swap probably attached whatever picker. Who knows? Do us off for John Moran and Jeline Brown. What does that get you? It's a different look.

He's different for the sake of being different though. He's kind of so be better. If you're Memphis, you would never do that. And either team would want to do that. Like that's, it's a different look for sure, but it's not a better look. And they have their, they know that their plan of having Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, and shooters is the best plan you could have. They were the best team in the NBA. So that's what I'm saying.

Like a lateral move for Starlight, that doesn't make sense. It would have to be the trade Jalen Brown for like a young guy they think can be as good as Jalen Brown plus something else. Like if the Thunder weren't champions and like if they say they didn't have Shay or whatever, if it was like somebody like a Jalen Williams who we could project to be as good as Jailin Brown in a couple years or whatever. Plus you add another piece. That's a move to make sense. and I don't know if that's out there. Yeah. And I think trading Jayland only,

it also only makes sense if they were still over the second apron. The fact that they've made all these moves and now you've ducked all that and then the only thing that you're really going to have to deal with is I think they're going to have to deal with like one year of repeater tax, but then after that, like you're under all the aprons and stuff like that.

That's the only thing that you have to worry about. But since you're saving all of this money, I doubt that like this honestly from a new ownership perspective is kind of the best thing because you now have your excuse to blow up the most expensive team and you don't have to pay any of the taxes

and then you can restart the franchise with a Jason Tatum and kind of build it the way that you want to and don't really have to deal with any other politics from the previous regime. They're in a solid spot and the East. A lot of the teams at the top, like Cleveland, like New York, right?

Indiana is obviously dealing with this stuff too. We have high hopes for them, and you know that, you know the way that the league works, which is we're going to give you one to two years to figure it out. And if not, the score is getting blown up. So by the time the Celtics are ready again to go, the East is probably, it's good. It might look different. That's what I'm saying. It's going to look completely different in all of the contenders that are in it in an already

week east, they're probably not even going to be there. All right, we're with the next team. Let's go with the other team that's on the screen right now. The Orlando Magic is my first team. Their biggest problem they need to solve a free agency is quite simple.

Continue to get shooting. Continue to find more shooters. The Des and Bain train trade was fantastic. You know, you can quibble with the amount of picks given up. You can have the discores of whether or not it was too much

or whatever. To each their own, that's fine. Undoubtedly, they are a better team with Desin Bain. Undoubtedly, this is one of the best fit you could possibly imagine for a third player that can play on and offball

next to Palo and Franz. The problem now is it's not enough. You got to continue to find more shooters that just drafted, Jason, which is another solid move. We think he can be a good shooter for that off the bench.

Hopefully as a rookie contribute in that way, it's not enough. You got to keep looking, got to keep finding more shooters, do what you can. It's not enough. It's not enough at all.

I still really want them to find a stretch five. I don't know if that's possible. That's obviously easier said than done. But whatever the answers are, whatever is available on the trade market, on the free agency market, they need to find all the shooters they possibly can.

Yeah, and it's going to feel a little bit like you are deviating from your identity because the magic they built themselves on defense for, you know, the last, I guess for a while, but especially in this like Palo era, this Franz era, you are a defensive first team and now bringing in a bunch of, or shifting your mind to say we have to go get offensive leaning players. Are we still going to be the same? No. And that's the point. Like, you don't want to be the same Orlando Magic team that is. is going to roll through the season, finish with the 21st best offense in every single game. We look at it and it's like, why is this so hard to score? Why is every bucket so tough? You want to be able to give Palo all of the flexibility and spacing and everything that you can,

all the excuses that people have used for Palo, get rid of them because you do need to see Palo be able to say, we've set the table for you, go do the thing that we need you to do. You need him to do that. You need France to do that. So yeah, I'm what you should do.

The spacing excuse is great for winning discourse battles online. You can always have the cop out that Palo has a bad situation. Eventually, discourse battles are not the battlefield you want to be winning on. You want to actually see the fruit that you know he can bear.

You want to see him be the best version of himself that you know he can be the top 15 player in the world. You know he can be. And to do that, you need the most spacing. And I think because the dynamic of Palo and Franz are,

on ball creators, Franz isn't a good shooter. You're going to need good spacers around that, right? And Jalen Suggs also is a core part of your team. He's a better shooter now, but you're not going to, he's not like an amazing shooter, and you're also not going to move off of him because he's so good defensively and so more than you. He needs to show a multi, he needs to have like multiple years of good shooting. He has like one real, really elite shooting.

And even though, like, he's like, he's stamped in your lineup. Him and Desimbane will be your guards. The only other path to getting spacing and like really improving that situation from now, is a stretch five. And obviously those are very hard to attain. I think they need to sign one of the olds, either Brooke Lopez or Al Horford, one of the guys that are just stop gaps.

Get a stretch five in there right now, see what it looks like. Brooke Lopez debatably isn't good anymore. I understand that. You don't got to play them 10 minutes. You have other bigs. You have Johnton Isaac. You have Mo Wagner,

one of the better backup bigs. You can probably still have Ronald Carter Jr. in this situation. But it's got a little bit of an idea of what it would look like with the stretch five. Go get Brooke Lopez if you cheap, get him for your mid-level exception, or Al Horford, if he's on the move,

potentially from the Celtics, get a stopgap, just to be able to see what it looks like. And then if you do like what you see, find your stretch five of the future in the general, well, find your stretch five of the future later on. Or you see, maybe we don't need a stretch five. We can go back to a traditional Bick, which is easier to find. But give them a chance. I don't think Al Horford's leaving, but damn, that would be so beautiful. He would change their lives.

That would, he would change their life. And if they completely try to swing and miss on someone like Brooke Lopez for whatever reason, I think Brooklop is like literally the only answer. The other names that are out there when it comes to search five, they're like, I don't know, now's Reed. Of course, like Miles Turner, but then you start to get to Bobo. Thomas Bryant. Bobo conversations.

Thomas Bryant conversations. But I think someone who's like 2% better than that is Chris Boucher. Hey, man, he's a shot blocker. I don't know how consistent he is when it comes to that, obviously. And he is a three-point shooter for sure. That's one of his redeeming traits and qualities. so I think those two guys should be towards the top of their next free agents or free agents that they need to try to really swing on for the low.

Okay, you know, I'll double up here because I have another team with the same exact issue. Okay, see Thunder. Their biggest problem is solving free agency. Find some more shooting. That's about it. They really don't have any problems of the defending chance for a reason, but you can never stay stagnant. To stay stagnant, even when you're at the top is to get worse and everybody else is trying to catch up to you.

And obviously, their Achilles heel was the lack of jump shooting. I think you'll see part of that next year be alleviated. by the fact that I feel I can almost certainly say Chad Holgren will be substantially better offensively next year when he's not dealing with the in-season hip fracture

which is so much a bigger of a deal than anybody realizes that is a dramatic injury to come back from you have no time for rehab and that's an injury that requires immense rehab to get back to where you were physically he'll be better there

he'll probably shoot better who'll probably be more of a threat that makes a spacing less of an issue but nevertheless they need more spacing clearly even outside of that natural positive improvement even outside of their backup point guard

solution maybe being Nicola Topich they're shooting up and down the roster needs to be better they need high volume shooters that can really you really be like a quick trigger guys yeah so what I'm saying is Isaiah Joe and Andrew Wiggins say your days are numbered package I don't know if Aaron Wiggins days are numbered specifically because it just feels like a okay C lifer for whatever reason but Nicole Topich is not a lifeer package him I assume topage is going to get some minutes next year and even him as a prospect was not a good shooter at all yeah and so if he's going to get minutes then you're absolutely right. They need to stand on all 10 and fine shooting, but also

not sacrificing much defense because obviously that's her top philosophy. I still want the Cam Johnson to happen. I understand why they didn't do it. They didn't have to do it. They won the championship. But they were a hair away from not winning. And if they didn't win, everybody would have said Cam Johnson would have been the difference. Your offense would have been significantly less bogged

down. And as I said Joe couldn't play in mostly series because of the defense. I think you could still do that same deal. You can still package those two guys with picks to get him. If you want someone cheaper, there are other options out there. If you want to go crazy, you can try and get Trey Murphy, but obviously you don't want to get somebody that's a long-term piece because you can only pay so many guys. So either get a Cam Johnson and view it as a short-term thing that you're going to have him for the next year or two before you have to pay J-Dub and Chet and then you ship Cam Johnson off because you have all the picks in the next year and then move him again. I agree.

That's the thing for OK. See, they need to like maximize on these guys who are on one, two-year deals. Try to get another ring again and then continues to just like swamp that out right before you have to pay those two. Can Cam Johnson, or I'm using him as an example, Cam Johnson like Big Wing that can shoot, bring him in, go back to back, then ship him and Isaiah Hardin's done out and have Sorber plus whoever the next five rookies are you draft,

have that be the next set of guys. Yeah. What's your next team, Donovan? We are going to go with the Portland Trailblazers. That's an interesting one. Yeah. But I'm going to go front court shooting for them. Because I think now that you've traded for Drew,

your back court is going to be like Drew and Scoot or Drew and Sharp maybe scoot out the bench those three guys are your main guys like those are you guys and if you are going to play I'm also doing this assuming that Aitn isn't going to be on the team like long term long term yeah they definitely he's not going to be on the team long term because they just dropped it a big last night yeah so he's gone

yeah so you have two you have two young rookies and as soon as they made that draft pick we're all like Goodbye, Ait is like, get out of here. And so the lineup that they had, the lineups that they ran last year with no Simons, no Aiton, they were terrible offensively, right? They, like, you think that adding, adding Drew into that mix may be a little bit better, but Drew's not a great offensive player, especially at this point in his career. And so you know that if your back court is going to be Scoot, who is not a fantastic shooter, shooter, it's going to have Drew in there. It's not going to have fantastic shooter. And then you have Denny and Kamar.

While you're trying to rearrange all of these pieces, adding some shooting to your front court is just going to give you a lot more versatility. And they've done a really good job of finding a lot of good wings who can play defense and it's attributed to their culture and how they play. Awesome.

You're going to have to get buckets. You're going to have to find some shooting, find some spacing. Because if Sku also does start to, you know, I guess like develop, giving him some room to, to work, that's also needed. This could be a Nasreed offer sheet team.

That could be very fair. But yeah, there were 26 last year in three point percentage, 24th in half court offense points for play. 92.8 points of play in the half court. That's an atrocious offensive rating. Drew Holiday does not fix that. He could probably help them defensively. He can help mentor their young guards.

But yeah, he's not a half court offensive demon by any stretch in this point of his career. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think a nauseate officer would be great. But to do that, I think they have to dump the Jeremy Grant contract, which is also one of their bigger problems in the summer. they got to figure out how to get rid of him. You know, one less year on the contract now.

They can probably trade him. He was almost a Laker last offseason. Then obviously they couldn't come to terms of the compensation. He is just a veteran that has no place on this team anymore. And if you want to get front court shooting, which we'll just use not as read as a placeholder. Don't know if he's going to leave, but you know, you got to throw offers of guys like that

or somebody else in the trade market. You got to get rid of that money from Jeremy Grant. Thanks. Yeah, I agree with you. I think more so for me personally, if I was a blazer or in that front office coaching staff, I would prefer to start someone like Scoot Henderson because the playmaking is sizably better

compared to someone like Shaded Sharp and it feels like he's a better shooter as well the percentages point towards that is also they're damn mere like in line but Scoot's a better three point shooter in general so I think he when it comes to like figuring out their guard situation I will try my best to cater towards him as much as possible

Isn't that so disappointing Shaden Sharp last year man everyone thought everyone was like he's going to make the leap that shooting leap has not come So he shot 71% at the rim, which is elite. So he is the high flyer. You saw that really become tangible. The year before, he was only 54% at the rim, which is atrocious. So that was a legit development.

He is a slasher now. But that shooting has steadily gotten worse every year. 37% as a rookie, 34% year 2, 31% year 3. Midrange, he shot, actually, 47% on long midrange jumpers. So there's that. There's some shooting touch, but the three needs to come around. What's the total amount of long mid-east day he took? He took 166.

okay not bad yeah yeah 79 out of 167 it's a 15% of his jump shots which is 86 percentile for a combo guard so not a big volume but it's all right for a role player okay yeah it's not that's not bad but yeah so

front court shooting Nazreed is for a lot of these teams Nasreed or a Nasreed archetype yeah is going to be a big like that would help to have somebody who's 610 7 feet tall whatever he's not 7 feet but like having somebody who's 6-10 who can shoot the three.

You're new Jeremy Grant. That's also Jeremy Grant. So you got to get rid of him. He's expensive. Find a young one. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. Next team that I want to talk about are the Washington Wizards. They had a good draft last night. They drafted Trey Johnson, a certified bucket. But I saw someone calling Gen Z. Reggie Miller. Love that. Yeah. I love that. I love that as well. And he does fix a lot of issues. And a part of their offseason issues kind of fold into him as well. And he helps answer that.

But I think that to push the line even further, if they really want to, like, get exciting and make a play and push this year, a legitimate one at least, they definitely want to get some like Alex Saar more help offensively at least. Right now, they're banking on him a lot to fix a lot of the issues when it comes to efficiency and decision making that he has offensively. Defensively, he's an amazing prospect. He had one of the better rookie rookie, one year one rookie or defensive seasons. that i've seen as of late but in order to make his life easier and in my mind give him more space to for the for the room so he can just pretty much play open season you want to either like get a four next to him to allow him to fully like just be a uter or what not be not be a uter but get a four next to him to give him as much space as possible to rain to run with or get a solid big

who knows how to either be somewhat of a lot of threat of course a shooter everyone want that Everyone would love that. But that just doesn't seem feasible for this team of the state that they're in right now. So there's need more offensive juice to continue to let him build in more good habits in his game. Now, to fix that, it's hard. It's hard to find that right now in the league. All right. So they need offense.

Consistent offense. An adult big man specifically. Yeah. I also, you said to make a playing push. My biggest, I guess, probably to solve, which isn't a problem. I just something that they have to make clear to us is what the plan is because they're added to these very. veterans. They add CJ McCollum. They have Chris Middleton who picks up his option. They have Marcus Smart. They have Brogden. A lot of adults in the room. A lot of youths in the room. Where are we

going with that, right? Like which path are we really on? Are we on playing tournament? Are we trying to balance the two? Are we trying to get good immediately? And like you said, build good habits and put these guys in a winning situation where they're not just losing 70 games a year every year. Is that the plan? If that's the plan, you have a long way to go. Like you said, they played lineups last year where Alex R is the center. Kishon George is essentially the power forward. or Champagne needs a power forward. Whoever nominally is defending that position, you definitely need some size.

Their front line is super weak. Yeah, and like, who's the backup center? They had Bagley playing minutes at some point last year, I think. Yeah, and then I think Roshan Holmes was there as well. Oh, my God, shout out of Rashon Holmes. They need an adult in the room, oh, so badly. Yeah, they need Big Man depth. And they had a second pick last year at night, right?

Who was the second pick the head? I can't remember who else they picked. Yeah, off the top of the head, I'm not a hundred percent sure. I'll check. I'll check. But I think in general, building out the big men group would be very important. Saar is... He can play the five.

I would like him to have the ability to play the four and the five in different lineups. I want to be able to use that versatility, find what the long-term plan is there. If the shot comes around, you can definitely get away with him playing at the four more often. I want to see that opportunity more. And they continue to have a guy that can not only be a stop gap, but somebody that we can say there's a world in which he is in five-fourth's long-term, either as a backup

or as potentially starter what's are at the four. Similar to like the sunshine for Mark Williams when they drafted Mollawash, Mark Williams is probably going to be their backup now, assuming Moloash is good. I want them to have their version for Mark Williams trade Yeah, fair. Also, so they had the 18 overall people, but then they traded that to Utah and then Utah to Walter

Clayton. Okay, they didn't turn back in the first round? They just traded away? Yeah. Okay, okay, never mind then. So, yeah, I want them to find another young big that can be part of this core. Young big or hell, they don't even, it doesn't even need to be young right now. Just someone who can help and still good offense or good habits into Alexar long term. Sure, yeah, yeah. If it's

not going to be young, it can be an old big. If they're trying to make the playing tournament, go get an old big. That can be the backup but can close some games. Yeah. Andre Jones. Hey, listen. Go ahead, Klingapella. Clickapela would be okay. Like, he offers a certain level of stability

and release a lot of pressure when he comes to rebound and he said like that. I was a John Hunter Drummond. Like, shout out, he's like a funny name now, but like they need a veteran who can stand on the interior, be big, be a good mentor. Andre Drummond is, he's heard of talk.

He's talked a lot about how he understands his place in the league now. They need another adult that can be part of the big men team. Yeah. Yeah, or shit. I hate to say this, but go out and trade for someone like, it's not going to make move mountains, but it's going to add a certain level of stability

and make SARS life so much easier. Nicola Vucevich would be a good fit alongside of him for a year, max two years. They have... That's going too far to the playing route for me. But if they do actually want to win games, I mean... He will help, yeah. Sure.

Listen, man, but even the lineup right now can make the playing. Yeah, but I don't want them to know that word. Listen, I'm with you in terms of like, don't get suckered into the bull's trap. Yeah, exactly. Being mid. Yeah, of like being mid.

mid and just trying to get there. But like Chris Millington and C.J. McCollum are very clearly, it's not like they're paying young mid guys. They are very clearly older mid guys that like for one year, maybe we can see what happens. And there's a, there's also a world where let's see how you develop while you know that we're playing for something, right? You know that we're playing for a play in. And then after this year, we can reconvene or even at the deadline, like we've said before, maybe you move McCollum at the deadline. Maybe you move Chris Middleton at the deadline and see

that one's harder. Whatever. But like, but you can, you have options there and and you pull, Utah Jazz, you say, we're going forward in the first half and then saying I pulled a plug, do all that. Gotcha. That could be the move for them. Okay. Next team is the Phoenix Suns.

Okay. I initially wrote down center play, just like two words. Yep. Because their center play was atrocious. But then we saw the draft last night. Drafts common Maluwash trades for Mark Williams in the span of 30 seconds. Polk things happen at the same time. All of a sudden, I'm like, wow, that's a inspired young big man duo. Like that's now become like a strength of the team outside of Devin Booker.

That's their new biggest strength. So their new biggest problem to solve this summer with that being eliminated. The guard log jam. Yeah. You just trade for Jalen Green when your best player is Devin Booker and your second best player is Bradley Beale. Yep. And then...

Makes no sense. Yeah, it's a tough scene. Can you think of a trio that has less camera, or less on-court synergy, at least on paper, and those three. I can't think of a single one. No. It's almost impossible to think the single one.

Like, you can't think of a single one that exists. You probably can't also think of a single one that exists in any fantasy. Worse. Besides the five point guards, the Nets Disrafted. Outside of that, this is the stupidest combination of guard talent. You can imagine. They all want to do the same exact things and they're varying levels of good. One of them, only one of them being good.

Yeah. And Matt Isbiel is going to come down. He's going to be like, listen. I believe in Jalen Green. You put the ball on his hand. You let him run a point. Oh, we could do some stuff. So, yeah.

It's going to be nasty. The big, so the problem is that you can't go. If your goal is to rebuild, I rebuild like, just not even retool because you don't have much retooling to do, but to find stability around Devon Booker, sure, we can read whatever the fuck you want. We're going to read something. We're going to read some shit. But if your goal is to be competent next year and try to win as many games as possible around

Devin Booker, tell him to make sense to stay. You don't want to leave. You cannot start Jalen Green next to him. And you probably cannot start Breed. the Biel unless you figure out some godsend around those two. So that's the problem. What's the answer? I don't know.

I would think they should reroute Jalen Green. You don't often see that whenever it's not a three-team deal. And this deal can't be executed until July 6th or 6th. Sixth. One of the two. So maybe it becomes a three-team deal and they find a suited for him in the next seven days, potentially. If not, they damn sure got to beg Bradley Bielder to wave with no trade clause.

Maybe you can get away with two of them and have a weird-ass lineup still. you can't get away with three of them that is a problem no trade clauses are whack i feel like as soon as you use the first little trade clause they should take it out your contract well you get one time one time one time it's like if you're the sons it's like i didn't agree to that like i didn't do that that was a that was an agreement between you and the and the wizards you waived it to come here we can ship you off wherever you should only be able to use it one time i think that it's part of the deal though whenever you trade for somebody uh that has a trade clause the the new team can like that's part of the negotiation is like they get to retainer or not and they let bradley bill

retain it. Yeah, they agreed to that. When you sign up for that trade, you agree to that, right? I think that's part of it. I think you have to like that's part of like the process. Yeah, I didn't, I did not know how that worked. Yeah, I think it's like potentially the deal. The Sons could say we're not doing this unless Bradley Biel weighs is no trade clause and he had to agree to it. Otherwise, you know, you can't get the deal done. Yeah. And they were like, we're not doing that. So the sons let him keep it. Yeah. If this is the, if for some reason they do end up going into this upcoming season with Booker, Beal, and Green.

It's looking like if they're going to really force Devin Booker again to play the point guard. And I fucking hate that. I hated that when you had Kevin Durant. I'd strike. I hated that when you had Kevin Durant and now you have Jalen Green.

What? That is such a disgusting scenario. I pray for the best for Devin Booker if that's going to be what happens. Like that is so horrible for his career arc, for his PR, for his standing in the league. I can't imagine mistreating your star that poorly and expecting him to want to be a lifer.

If I'm, if I'm Devin Booker, my agent has to be on the phone right now with like Netflix. And I'm a host of a show where I'm talking about like old classic cars and I'm just going to drive around in them or whatever. I can't, I can't play with these guys. I'm playing for the spurs as that happens. You're setting me away. I was going to somewhere. I can't do this. I can't go through another year of having just such redundant skill sets, knowing that we're not going to have anything.

And then you are back to where you were two years ago where you were saying, after they got KD and after Chris Paula, if you're like, hey, you guys don't have any point guards and you are back to that issue. And I, yeah, I would be very frustrated. Is there any team you want to see take on Jalen Green in this scenario? Let's say they can give him away. The Bulls.

He's the most Chicago Bulls player ever. Yo, lokey. There is talks. And then they're trading Kobe White. No, no, no, no, no. Josh Giddy and Jalen Green. That's what they're going to do. There was talks last night in the draft.

They might trade Kobe White or Lanzo Ball on draft night. It didn't happen. If you cash in on Kobe White, Put in Jalen Green there. Yeah. For free to see what happens. Yeah, that's what I meant. That genuinely...

Is ass. Ass. But interesting ass. Yeah, exactly. Like, interesting ass. Yeah, exactly. Like, you can maybe stare at it for a second. Yeah.

It's robust. I can see what you're talking about right now. And Sacramento? Are you joking? You know, like, you know... That's the worst. That's the second worst, like, duo. I'm not sure you were doing.

That is the worst. You ask for the worst duo. That's the worst duo. He's not going to be there. You're not going to be there. You would obviously have to, like, rearrange some stuff. But, like, when I'm thinking about teams that would take on Jalen Green, I'm just thinking about teams that either A, have no clear direction

or need, like, a young score. The Kings fall into the, they fall into the form. Like, they don't have a clear direction. Yeah, but they have Levine and Malik Monk. Yeah, Jalen Green there, fucking gross. You didn't even mention the Marcos. You know what they would be? They would be the NBA version, you know, in between timeouts where they bring the dunk team

and they're all, like, throwing the ball and they're just catching it. That's what they would be. I imagine the clippers. I don't think they would want him just because Tailu's smart. But like a James Harden, Kauai Leonard, you put Jalen Green between that. I imagine the best scenario

for Jalen Green is to be Norman Powell. So like, I'm just imagining him a Norm Powell spot. Send him to Brooklyn? Sure, they got all these damn point guards. I know, you got Camp Thomas, who's like. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

There's no real space or home for him right now in the league. Damn, who? Sharley. I mean, shit. I guess like the idea of him in, I guess we can get into it right now. They're trading RJ Barrett. Maybe you put Jalen Green there in that spot.

If Jaylon Green's good, him next to, I don't know. But you have Brandon Ingram. He's such a weird fit around the entire league. Yeah, I think some teams should take a chance on him, but I don't know who. A team. Okay, let's get into it. Let's get into it. That's my next team right there.

Okay. Detroit Pistons. Obviously, that a wildly successful year last year. You hate Kate Cunningham? I love Kate Cunningham. That's one of my guys in the league, man. Obviously, I think he has potential to be top 15, 10 player in the league. He's shown that last.

year obviously he's a little bit far from that but he made tremendous steps and he made his first all-star team and all that he led this team to their first NBA playoff series in since I think 2018 I think or 27 2018 I think yeah back with blaker from was there and through that series we learned a lot about this team but also we didn't we didn't really learn too much that was new they're glaring weaknesses he does that so much we learned a lot but also none yeah exactly like we walked into the year, know what was up. Throughout the regular season, we knew it was up. And in the postseason, we're like, okay, now we really know what's up.

So shout out to Tobias Harris. Shout out to Malik Beasley. Shout out to Tim Hardaway, Jr., all great vets that help take them from, give them a certain floor. But also, they're bad vets. Exactly. Long term. Like, right now at this stage, good players.

But also short term. But if you tell me, Kate Cunningham is like in his prime still doing with this, what are we talking about right now, man? So I think the next step and the next level of development is figuring out what is going to go in between Cade Cunningham and the rest of those guys. You need some type of high-altane guard and obviously you'd want it to be someone like Janet Ivy. But there's a huge question mark when it comes to him and how good of a fit he is, just in general on how explosive of a score he will be. How good is that shooting going to be? Yeah.

And that's why I mentioned and tie him to someone like Jalen Green potentially. It's kind of, it's a swing, but it might be worth taking because. the cost would be so low. I'd rather bet on Jaden Ivy than Jalen Green. Just to the cost, too. I'd rather bet on Jalen. There's a good chance that Davey's better than Jalen Green. So I'd keep that.

But I agree that the problem they have is deciding if, so they need another creator next to Kuttingham. That's the biggest roster issue right now is you've got to alleviate the pressure. We saw in this playoff series against the Knicks that when you sell out on him, he's made big strides. He's not Shea. He's not Luka. He can't handle that much defensive attention yet.

You need to give him another release valve that can be Jaden Ivy if he makes a leap. Pistons fans will tell you they've seen, they've seen the signs that they can fit together. But the problem they have is that's not a guarantee. And I think you want to go into next season feeling good about your two guard position or three, whatever the secondary creator next to him may be. You want to feel good about that going to the next year. Assar Thompson will be one of those guys and then the other guy has to be a guy that can do so with the ball in his hands. And the problem is you have to either trust Jaden Ivy or make a trade for another guy there and not trust him.

Whether that be a, you know, throughout whoever, Janet Cring, a C.J. McCollum, a, who else might be available? Inserts two-guard score here They got to figure out if there's a move out there That's worth giving up on J-Nivey as a starter Yeah, I agree And Cesar McCorm is very much in these conversations as well Like, I don't know if Washington is going to want to keep him They probably shouldn't want to keep him

Because you could still harvest some value out of him Even though he's, I don't know, a 32, 33 years old in his career And he's coming off a whatever injury That very much feels like it's in the play Because he is a lower, much lower cost than someone like Jalen Green or whatever other, like, two guards you can throw out there. Yeah, it's up for the minute.

What does it mean that mean value? I don't know. Like, it might be nothing. I've been looking at the standings this whole time, just trying to figure out, like, what team could use a Jalen Green and it makes sense to where it fits timeline and everything. There's, it's very little. Like, I don't even know if I found any one. So this probably won't happen because like we talked about the Celtics.

They're probably not going to trade Jailon Brown. If the Pistons traded Jaden Ivy plus all the picks they would need. for Jaylon Brown? Would you guys like that? No. No? I would like it. It's straps. That is. That is. But I don't know. I feel like I'd want to give someone like Jayden and Ivy. That's a real answer. Like give him a little bit more time, one more season. Give him a fully healthy year with this team and their identity. And let him see if he can genuinely fit there. If not, then they could do that. But I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't feel good about giving away all your picks when you just came from the bottom. Trey Murphy. Would you like them, Tray for Tremfee? I would do that. Tray Murphy's top player

I would do that for I don't know what the clip for Yeah okay Yeah I think they should find I'm not saying They need to find Pick one of these guys And give up on Jay and Ivy

But the problem is they don't know If they should or not I don't think you feel confident And they got to figure it out this summer Yeah See what's out there Decide if it's worth giving up On Ivy or not

Yeah Which is a very like Realistic plan Most of these times We're talking about these teams It's like Go find a shooter Go find a big

This time it's like Decide if this duo Is what you want to do Yeah exactly Only time can tell really Yeah Okay Don what's your next team we're going to go with the team

that probably won the draft last night the San Antonio Spurs. Okay, what's their biggest problem in the summer? You have to go find a backup big. You have a million guards now, right? You got Deer and Fox. You have Dylan Harper. You have Stefan Castle.

You, good job, right? Because you overcorrected in terms of not having any point guards. But now, I don't, like, when Wembe is either not there in terms of injured or when he's not, on the floor, they are not good.

They are, they're minus eight with him off, off the floor overall. And that debt chart is not inspiring to, to look at in terms of like their backup center. Like if you look at ESPN's debt chart, they have Sohan as the backup center. I like what they're doing now really like from a wing perspective because you can have Deere and Fox and Castle as your back court. And then if Vassell is coming off your bench and he's like, the third or fourth guy. I don't hate that.

You drafted Carter Bryant, who can fit there. It's working and it's okay. But obviously this whole thing is going to be with Wembe. And as you start to, as he starts to ascend and you start to get better, I don't want them to be in a yokech kind of situation where every time Wembe goes to the bench,

boom, Lee gets evaporated. You don't have anybody to protect the room. You don't have anybody to grab rebounds. You need to be able to find 15, minutes from a legitimate backup big, I would be very, very proactive in finding somebody like that. Yeah. And similar to what I was saying about SAR, I want Wembe to have the opportunity to play certain lineups with another big. And I don't want that big to be Zach Collins. Actually,

no, they already traded him. I don't even know who that would be now. They don't have any bigs left that you feel good about. So, yeah, certainly. One, for the reasons, like you said, when Wemby's on the bench, two, allow yourself versatility around a big that's that versatile and that amazing, especially because you're so guard-oriented right now your wing play shout out Carter-Bryant thank God they drafted Carter-Bryant I love that fit there just because they desperately need three indie wings of that size

so you have one now and that's the end of the list you have some other guys you have Malachi Brandon you have Harrison Barnes still you have other guys that can play but nobody that you're like I want to close games of this guy I want this guy to be a part of our future so if you're not going to have the depth of wings I want to see the too big option

be an option yeah right now the depth chart what it looks like for a center. So it's Wembe, and then it's Sohan, Bishmak, Bionbo, Charles Bassi, Mamu. Yeah, so they need another big. Yeah, they need another big bad. You can't, you can't do that.

You can't go into the season without a legitimate option as your backup big. Clinkapela, get ready to speak backup big. Yeah, I would love that. I would love that. Andre Drummond, come on. There's a robust mark for bigs this offseason, man. Interesting. Is that sarcastic?

No, serious. Shout out Clint Capella, man. market for Kinkabella. There's so many teams that could be like, you know what? I like that fit. He'll do. He'll do. Day Ron Sharper is a restricted free agent.

Throw an offer at him. Oh my gosh. Get Jackson Hayes. Actually, nobody should hire Jacksonville. Yeah, exactly. You should be. Jackson's in jail. Isn't my turn?

Yeah, I think so. Off that note. Prison. I've seen the video. Houston Rockets. More shooting. You know, it's a pretty. simple, kind of like the Orlando Magic.

We knew their flop beforehand, and they made a gigantic move to address it. Kevin Durant is the biggest move you could possibly address to add a shooter, one of the greatest shooters of all time for that size. Also helps your creation need, which is a big part of that, is they need, not only a guy who can shoot, a guy who can create his own shot, shoot off the dribble, be a half-core playmaker, you got the half-core playmaker of all time. He got Kevin Durant at his advanced age, but they need more shooting up and down the roster still, specifically off that bench.

They re-signed Fred Van Vendley on a two-year extension. That's a pretty affordable extension, good deal for them. So they're probably going to start Fred, Amen, Kevin Durant, Jabari, Sengun. That's cool. Let's go for your starters. That's three spacers around Sengun and Amin. Hopefully both those guys can make leaps.

Their bench, I would like to see them add another veteran shooter. Because they re-signed Stephen Adams. He's going to be there. They still have Cam Whitmore, which hopefully he gets a role in the rotation. Reed Shepard could be a big swing factor. Maybe he provides that shooting if he earns a role in year two.

But with Dylan Brooks gone, I want to see them find a way to get another wing-sized guy that can provide spacing. Yeah. Go son Tori and Prince for the low. Yeah, someone like Tori and Prince, God, dare I say, someone like Malik Beasley as well, who is unrestricted this year, Luke Kinnard, Gary Tran, Eric Gordon, guys like that. Detroit cannot lose Malik, Malie Beasley.

He was good for them. He was good. He was massive for him. Yeah, you're right. He was like one of the, he was like, statistically speaking, I guess like a top three shooter this league in general when it comes to percentage and also just actual three-point makes and all that. And it would be hard to free the money for him.

So, yeah, they obviously, they're operating with cheap options on their bench because they already have their main guys. So that's why I throw out Tori and Prince guys who are league minimum guys. I don't know if Gary Trent Jr. is going to get more of this year, but he's a league minimum guy last year. Yeah. Guys like that who just will stand the corner and we'll shoot and will be spacers, not just be able to hit a three, but will cause the defense to respect them. I like Luke Canard there a lot. Is he free agent right now? Yeah.

What's the Luke Connard market? I feel like he might get a little more money than that. I don't know because he was like, he didn't get much signed for them last year and then this year due to. certain reasons he got some place. So I think it's pretty pretty cheap if I ask me. So yeah, they'll have a,

I think they'll have a taxpayer mid-level exception, which are, I think there's an opportunity for them to open up the full middle-level exception, which is $14 million. If they can do that, then we're talking, then we're talking to kill Alexander Walker.

We're talking, Luke Canard, we're talking a lot of guys. But if they retain just the small mid-level exception, yeah, go after a guy like Jake LaRavia, go after a guy like, I don't know, Kelly Ehrlich, whoever may be,

Gary Harris could be an interesting one. Yeah. But yeah, just they obviously don't have to do a whole lot. They're going to be a very good team next year. Just kind of reinforce that bench with some guys who can play right away. I agree with you. Speaking of reinforcing that bench, the team that shit glorifies that tremendously is the Denver Nuggets and the Nicole Yochish Denver Nuggets, bro. So when you look at the season they had, expectations were all over the place.

I at the start of the year was like, yeah, this is probably going to be my championship favorite time being on the best player in the world and crossing my fingers at Jamal Murray's. Lower half ends up working in and it's fully functioning. He's a lower half. Yeah. Anything. I don't know if his knees, Cass. Is he good from the waist down?

Exactly. Something needs to be working. So he was great. Aaron Gordon, fantastic. Christian Braun. Of course, like he took a leap this year.

Respect Brown. And he was very, he was very good. He was very good. But everything outside of the MPJ, he was good as overall. He had probably the best year of his career when he comes to. Not the playoffs.

Yeah, efficiency-wise for the regular season, but in the playoffs, he was hurt. He was hurt. But everything outside of that, Nuggets fans don't care, though. They hate him. They want him dead. Yeah, I know. Because he's the most, like, expandable guy.

And he's the, he is the, like, jail break for all the issues that they have for their roster. And so when you look at their roster and when you go off their bench, obviously, last year, they drafted him. What's that dude's names for the D? I believe they're big four. I think they're on homes. Yeah, Deron Holmes. I forgot to. He tore his yellow.

I hope it's good this year. They need him. It was the ACEL or Kins? ACL. It was ACL. Thank God. Yeah, it was ACL. So someone like him obviously would help a lot of their issues.

It's crazy. Would help a lot of their issues. But specifically outside of the bench too, their defense has real issues also. And that is something that needs to be addressed sooner than later. I think you trade NPJ. If that's the case, that's probably the, that's the easiest way out. That's why a lot of fans feel the way about him because his contract is so, considering like what he does on the court.

also so yeah their biggest problem is they got to trade mpj for multiple bodies they have to break up that money they have to add depth and maintain the shooting obviously maintain the things he brings which is a hard thing to do but break up that contract and that depth is their most important thing yeah exactly and the reason why they won a championship last year is because of death they had several guys come off the bench and also they had the best five main units and this year we couldn't we couldn't fully say that confidently that they had the best five main unit and so shoring reissuring up that death and also addressing the defensive issues through the death will help that naturally because in the playoffs this past year they were they allowed the most paints the most points in the

paint in the chase that god damn bro that's insane that's insane block sorry and in the playoffs this year brother like they it was a complete opposite it was the complete opposite of that conversation so that needs to be addressed immediately and in order to do that of course you unfold you trade away and PJ and see what you can get, see what teams are willing to relinquish some assets. So that's the easiest pathway. Yeah, and Bruce Brown has been publicly twerking to come back. He's been on his IG story,

wanting to come back to Denver. So I think they have to decide if they want to bring him back or keep Russell Westbrook or do both, but I feel like they're kind of, you know, similar type of guys with that bench. That's a big question. Is Russ going to be there for foreseeable future?

I think he has a player option that he's going to decline, right? Am I remember that correct? Yeah, he declined it. He declined it already. Oh, you did. Okay, yeah. So decide if you want to bring him back,

decide if you want to bring Bruce Brown, back for cheap if he's still in the market figure out what you can do with that limited money you have you know with your taxpayer mid-level exception with your veteran minimums hopefully find a guy or two that can play and yeah i think you have to trade that mpj contract well you don't have to run it back they were they were a good team in the playoff still you can hope for duron holmes to come in and be that additional depth hope for bruce brown's return be that additional depth you don't have to trade michael porter junior but i think it would be the best for the long-term health of this roster Yeah. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with it. Makes sense.

What's your team? Is it my turn? Yeah. No, I did the Rockets. Your turn. Oh, okay. Cool. All right. We will go with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Interesting one. Perennial team on these, every time we've done these episodes, the question for the Cavs has been, do you feel good about this formula working? Do they got to mix it up? Where are you at with that now after this playoff run? I actually feel, I feel decent. We didn't get to see it in its, you know, in its fullness. But I'm okay with it. I'm okay with the big four of them. For them, I want another backup big because I want them to have just a little bit more size behind Evan Mobley and behind Jared Allen. George Disney A.

was right there and they traded him, man. I don't know what else you want. It's just, and really what this is, is it's a Tristan Thompson conversation. And it's like, can we, can we not have Tristan Thompson be out on the floor when he's 35 years old? Like, I would rather that because like the three spot where it's just rotating wings in and out. Like Max Drews, fine. Like he shot pretty well this year. You traded for DeAndre Hunter.

I feel like they have pieces that they have either invested in or that they kind of trust now. So I don't, I don't know if they're going to even make a massive move there anyway. I would say either get a backup big or if you know that Ty Jerome is leaving go get a backup guard to kind of backfill that position but I would lean on the backup big on the third backup big. Go send Andre Drummond, bring him back home to Cleveland

where he had his best years. Robust market for backup bigs this year, man. Rest need for backup bigs for sure too. And I think the biggest problem roster-wise is wing defense. But yeah, I don't know if they can really do much about it besides bank on internal growth and pray Jalen Tyson is good in the second year.

Yeah. And, and so that's, that's my thing for them. I'm also, I'm going to double up because I feel the same way about the Memphis Grizzlies. For the Cavs real quick, before we move on. Yeah. There was that report by Kevin O'Connoran that they dangled Darius Garland in the Kevin Durant trade. I don't want them to break up the big four. But it feels like they're open to it, if that's true. And we've heard other rumblings that they keep losing.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And again, I'll cut them the bail of injury this year. I'm comfortable giving them excuses. Obviously, they still weren't playing well. They still could have lost the Pacers, not the same. say that's why the Patriots won, but I do feel like they have the excuse of we need to give it another chance because we saw a 64 win team for a reason. So I'm not necessarily

saying they have to blow up the big four. But it's on the table. Do we feel like there's a move out there that of the guys we think that are readily available? Obviously, Kevin Rand's already been traded, Deson Bain's been traded. Yonis probably isn't requesting a trade. But you know, I said Deson Bain. We didn't think he's available. He was. Is there a world in which it might make sense to either trade Garland or Jared Allen? Alan, yes. Alan yes, for sure. The Garland thing They considered Garland. It's for a reason. You're right.

Yeah, it's because they've had two postseason runs with this big four where people have been hurt and Garland's been hurt in both of them. And so if you're paying somebody big, big money, you don't want to get to every postseason and you not be there. So I understand it. But I do think that trading Garland affects obviously like your guard depth, but then it puts more pressure on Donovan Mitchell to be a playmaker. and Darrys Garland works very, very well with Evan Mobley.

And so I also don't want to break that up either. So that's why for Jared Island, it would make sense that if anybody had to go, it would be him. Yeah, I wouldn't want to trade Garland either. But again, if that report is true, which is one guy's report, it's incredibly intriguing that they're willing to trade Darias Garland for a package that doesn't involve a point guard coming back. I don't think it's good type of intriguing. I would hate that. But it gets your mind moving of what could possibly happen in the summer. Yeah, I feel like trading someone like Darius Garland.

Obviously, Kevin Ryan, different conversation, but trading Darius Garland in general is, like, the same thing as buying a house, buying brand new doors, super nice. There's every house, but you don't got no damn handles for the door. How if I're going to get in? How if are you going to, like, utilize your house, bro? It's just, you know, like, Darius is going to make so much things easier for this team. And he is what keeps his offense flowing. He helps make things happen, you know? Yeah.

I would definitely, I don't need to trade Jared Allen. You can run the double bigs back. It works. I'd be open to it if the right deal is there and if the right suit or. wants them. Okay. That makes sense. But yeah, so I was going to double up with the, with the Grizzlies because I also think that they need another big in their rotation, especially because

tear down. Big, big, big, big, big. Let's do it. Just be. Zach Edy. Well, hold on. I will stop you right there because they did trade up last night. They got the Chinese big, Yon San, I forget his last name. That was a true. They got him. The blade. Oh, yeah. The Grizzes got Clifford. Yeah,

was the Grizzes got Clifford. Yeah, was the Grizzes. That's a coward. Coward. Yeah. Cedric Coward. You're correct. Okay. My bad. Yeah. Yeah. And if Zach Edy is going to be out, like he's, he's not going to get re-evaluated until two weeks before the season starts. And so he's 7-5, right? We see this all the time with Big Man. I'm not 100% sure that he's going to be ready for. What was injury again? It was an ankle injury. Right? And he missed the start of last season because he sprained his ankle. And then he played, he played 66 games. And they went in. They did this procedure to help stabilize his ankle. I forgot. So he was playing on that the whole year. that's cleaning issue?

Hey, all you haters, I'm coming back here, too. I'm not giving up the agenda. Zach Edie is the future of that position for them. But this is not good one year in having your 7-5 big already need lower body surgery. And we know that Jerry Jackson Jr. is not a massive rebounder like that. We know that Brandon Clark, shout at him for coming back. You can get a little bit more from that position. I would, yeah, I would just like them to get another big.

Get ready to speak. Andre German or Klingapela, buddy. Everybody gets an Andrejerman. Everybody gets a Klincapella. Yeah, they should. They're probably on the trademarker for a big then. What trademarked bigs might be available is the, Yonis Valenzhenius, welcome back to the Grizzlies.

You're coming home. Honestly, brus. Life was great back then where they had Jonas Valtuas, bro. Like, they can get them. They can have them. He's for the taking. Honestly, it's not a bad. Welcome back.

Let's just run, let's just run 2022 back. It's the only time that they had, that they had success for real. Don't get Dayron Sharp. Yeah, no, they definitely obviously need a big as a stop gap. Otherwise, big picture, they trade Desmond Bain. They're retooling. You know, they're figuring out what this looks like. They already traded one of those picks to move up three spots to get coward.

Kind of, it's a lot to give up to move a few spots. But they view coward as one of the guys they want to be a ready to win now player that can help this retooling process. You don't trade Desmond Bain unless you have like a lot of moves coming with those picks, you know? You're not going to use those picks in the draft and like try to build this. this organic young core around Drew, I'm not true, what the fuck,

Jha and Jaron, those guys are ready to win now. So I think they also need to make some kind of move for a perimeter player to replace Desmond Bain and replace that creation level. I don't think you feel good about just Jod and Jaron being your only two creation guys. I don't know, I'm not saying star.

Yeah, okay, not saying star, okay, cool. Like, you know, like somebody cheap, like a C.g. McCollum or whoever may be that fits that rule, it's not CG. I don't know why I said his name. I know, but you know, I understand what you. Lower tier player that can provide more on-ball scoring.

And that might not come until the deadline. I think that it's very possible that they're going to go into the season with the roster that they have now. Yeah, I feel like they feel super comfortable with KCP, Jodd, Cedric Howard, and Jaron Jackson, Jr. You feel comfortable with it? I don't. They're in the West. They're retooling right now,

so I think they can't go all in and fix all their problems in one off season. I think that's impossible task for them specifically. They're in the West. They need to figure some shit out. That sounds like a nine seed. Well, it might be a nine seed. Damn. And I mean, they could obviously be higher. That's obviously in the low end.

they showed us they have a higher ceiling obviously yeah but they got a lower floor too like they can be the west is stacked they could be five or they could be nine like i i want to see a little more urgency than that i'm not saying they should go crazy and make some kind of all in move that jeopardizes the flexibility they got they don't got to add a 50 million dollar contract like i'm saying you got to get jelm brown you got to get whatever but i want to see a little bit of inspiration that shows you that retooling is like serious we're trying to win now still i think they kind of did a good job so far already when it comes to the retooling when it comes if cedricer cowder is that guy, which he was one of my guys in the draft,

and they genuinely believe he is a goon. Cool. KCP, he had a really bad year last year for Orlando. Overall, his name is not on the upward trajectory in general, but still, he's a guy who you expect very little from in terms of give me 30, like he has a specific role.

You feel okay with that. I think they did a pretty good job of retooling, considering they still have a lot of assets. Cathayson? Just waiting to see. What's up? Katasum? It's not enough. It's definitely not. I think the next phase of like after I don't know if they're going to be done making moves obviously they can add like a few bucket getters or whatever in between the lines of jaw and jordan's action junior but as of now like I think they need to see how

good or how health of a year Jared uh john moran is going to be next year and then once that happens okay more conversations even more extreme conversations can happen next year but that's not i'll be like content if i was a grisie's fan prove yourself not me you're walking you're walking to this season worse than you were last year, I would not be content. I get it if that is like there's no moves on the table and that becomes the scenario that you have to go into, I wouldn't be happy about it though. Yeah, but as soon as you fire Taylor Jenkins and you trade Desmond Bain for all of these picks, you are kind of signaling to the rest of the league.

We're not at the championship level that we thought we were right now. So maybe our timeline is shifted back another two, three years rather than trying to win right now. I disagree completely. I think if that's the goal, you need to. trade John Morant. I think keeping John, keeping Jaron tells me that we're still trying to win now. We just know that we need a new formula. And Desmond Bay wasn't that formula. So if I'm a grizzies fan,

if I'm going to be inspired by this, I need to see them trade those picks for Trey Murphy. Do something like that's like, something that's like, that's still a timeline changer. He's young, obviously. But like, I need to see an upside play that we're still trying to be a top end talent team that can win. We're just changing the formula for it. They think Cedger Coward is that guy. That's the issue. You go for, I mean, that's not an issue at all. That could be him, but you said you got more fixing that Bain trade, trading for Jared Allen, whatever. be like that's the type of thing we said okay our money being in point guard shooting

our power forward with bain isn't enough we're going to try point guard power forward center and be a big team and have ed off the bench like i want to see a big change that isn't again isn't six picks out but it's a new formula i will say they can't sell off too hard though because whether it be money wise or asset wise because none of this shit works if john moran can't prove that he can remain healthy none of it works so you don't want to overly invest in this core and I think they're just doing a good job of just like playing both sides protecting themselves future wise while also putting a legitimate very respectable team to roll out next year but it's all on jar or not and if that's the goal if the goal is we're scared of jaw and we're giving them like

an in-between year yeah fine but if I'm a grizzies fan I don't like in between year I understand because every year's valuable just our plays 50 games yeah it's not a great situation I get it yeah exactly it's tough for them it's tough but I feel like they're not far away and I want to see them move with urgency okay I understand that is it my turn I think it's my turn what's Let's talk about the, again, when it comes to in between, I feel like the Philadelphia 7060s are very in between right now because they're building a really, really good junk core, some guys who somewhat play a similar position, but also we can see a very strong world and where these guys roll out on the court together.

My biggest issue for them is Paul George, wing death. I'm not going to be over here saying Paul George's contract is an issue. It is. I lied. I'm saying that it's a very big issue. it's the biggest issue considering like they don't have much of back full or room to

really like address anything you know yeah now they did go ahead and drive Vijay Edgecom at the number three overall pick I think he's going to be a fantastic player for them and have a fantastic career and I think he fits perfectly alongside Jaron McCain and also Tyrese you don't know

what the trajectory of your organization is simply because it's the Joelle Embed health thing you know yeah and in between that okay, that's the whole waiting game. You can't address that at all. Taris Max is there. Jeremy King,

assume he's going to be healthy and he's going to be on an upward trajectory still. You need to still figure out who's going to be a consistent three, four for this team. And if it's going to be Paul George, okay. But you might want, it might be a situation to where you're looking to find out the next guy behind Paul George. And that either might come through like, I don't know, trade.

But that even sounds kind of heinous to me because, the assets that you might have to give up might be OD because he is legitimately a bad contract if he's going to play like how we did last year. So figuring out that wing spot, whether it be a three, four is paramount for this team. The Caleb Martin trade was so ass. I'm looking at this.

Like, thank God they got Grimes. Thank God they got Grimes, man. They ran off on the fucking Dallas Mavericks. Yeah, dummies. So yeah, their guard rotation is going to be great. Having Maxie McCain, Grimes, and Vijayccom, assuming they pay Grimes and keep them, you're good there.

Your guard, that's, that's awesome. Like, that might be one of the, if Vijay Etchcom can contribute defensively as a rookie, that's one of the best, that's one of the best. That's one of the best. And lead potentially. Absolutely. You know, not counting like somebody that has Luca or Shea. Like, yeah.

But in terms of well-rounded groups, that's dope. Young group specifically, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And obviously, Embed is a big question mark. We don't know what we'll get. But if he plays, obviously, MVP-level player, I'm sure. It's just matter how many those games you're going to get. It's all about in between that.

And I think the biggest problem is, you mentioned Paul George is a bad contract. their problem is do you say we have Embed we're trying to compete for these one more year so we're going to give Paul George a chance to play with Embed like he came here to do and give him a chance to rebound his value a little bit or do we say it's only downhill from here

and we should try to attach whatever assets need to get rid of him before it gets even worse and requires more assets next summer that's the problem is they have to decide do we stay committed for one more year and give the team a chance to win because if MB can stay moderately healthy and play 50 games

this team can be a top three seed in the east look at the east right now the east is for the taking if they know how the procedures went we don't know how MBE's health is at this time only they do internally if it feels to them as bad as it feels to us they probably want to get out of the Paul George business

as soon as possible if they're seeing encouraging results and they think they have a chance to get them for over half the season you probably give another year he'll get one more year I do think they'll do that I think it's too it's too early because if you are also banking on

like in Bid surgery they went well we could bring him back you could say the same thing about Paul George and like he got hurt immediately you know like he was hurt in preseason and his knee was jacked up so

if we can just keep these guys on ice for the entire summer and just tell Embed to sit down and tell Paul to just keep podcasting every day like then then we can actually come into the season both you guys are healthy that that seems like

for at least one more year that'll be the plan. It does feel like we're now at a point, especially now that they got the third overall pick, where we can picture a future without Embed, yes, but we're going to put all of our eggs into one year, one basket, let's see if we can go all in. And I do think that's the right move.

It's just no, we're talking about problems. It's an inflection point that they have to figure out which side to go on. And again, I can't, only they know what Embed's health looks like right now, so they have the most information possible to make that decision. We really can't even speculate.

I mean, I guess we can say it's not looking good. It's not like, it's not pretty. But we don't know if it's a nail in the coffin or if it's, we got a low management him, but it's still possible. Yeah. And it's such an interesting conversation too because, yo, this team was do-do garbage without Embed last year. Of course, Tyrese Max was hurt too.

So it was even worse. And on top of that, too, Jeremy McCain hurt. So it was so bad over there. Dude, I wish they got the number one pick. I really wish they had number one pick, man. They better hope. Like, I don't know what's going to happen. I can't imagine how to, like, lay the,

them out next year because of the dwelling beat thing. But I will say, heavy on noticing, if the Sixers finish in the top four of the NBA draft next year, which I don't, I don't know if they will. It's a whole, the whole and beat thing. They get to keep their first round pick. If they don't, that bitch belongs to O'KC. Yeah. Interesting.

So we had a trade just broke just now. Oh, shit. Not, nothing crazy. Okay. The Brooklyn Nets are trading the 36 pick in tonight's draft to the Phoenix Suns for two feature second round picks. Sons now have 36, 52, and 59. Anyways, good for them.

Let me go ahead and double up real quick. Let's move off the Sixers thing. No, fact. The Brooklyn Nets. I got them next, bro. This is super relevant. Brother, they... He stopped the show for a second round.

You don't give a damn about that. Bring out the hammers, bro. It's a good transition, though. Okay, cool. I got the Brooklyn Nets, bro. My biggest issue for them is, like, identity, stability. Look at yourself in the mirror. Let's talk about the draft.

Who are? I guess this draft client kind of tells us who they want to be. You see, I don't know if it does. I think it tells me a lot of confusing things going in my brain right now. Yeah, it's a different eye word. It's not identity. It's intelligence. Are you guys actually smart or not?

We did our draft stream last night. And we're in the moment reacting to the picks. We're like, we're being positive for the most part. We're trying to figure out in the moment. We don't have time to sit back and think about it. Or at least speaking for myself, I need a second to look at the draft board and like think about who was smart, who was stupid. In the moment, I just think like, okay, I see why they're doing this. And that's where it stops.

I don't think. What do I think about that? I sat down. The stream ended at like 10.30 last night, I think. I got to bed. I got on my phone. I said looking at Twitter. Seeing everybody else's opinions.

Seeing the draft boards. And I thought, why were we more mean to the Nets on stream? What the fuck did they just do? Now, I will say, in general, last night, whatever we do these draft streams, we try not to be mean to the players themselves because who the fuck knows is going to happen. So that's one reason why. That's why I embrace my own ignorance. I'm not the biggest draft guy.

I make sure I know what I'm talking about. But I'm not scouting. Yegor Demin that hard to where I have like definitive, this guy sucks. I can't, I won't pretend to be that confident, right? So you're right, good point. That's why I'm not so definitive. But looking back, I know that's a big swing

to pick him with number eight. I understand this is Josh Getty reincarnated. You can say to yourself, maybe he'll overcome the week and say Josh Getty couldn't. Maybe he'll be a stronger slasher if he develops and you have that passing, you have that size. That could be intriguing, right?

Decent bet, but you did a little high. I can live with it. Yes. To pick two more guards that are the same exact archetype non-shooting, hopefully passers, hopefully drivers that don't drive that well, only pass kind of well.

To pick two more of those, and then to pick a gimmick player and Danny Wolf, who could be interesting, but obviously as a low floor, to the fact that they went in and we gave them, we gave them so much hype

for having five first round picks after jumping into that Chris House Presumption's fair. And they deployed it in the worst way possible. We said, oh my God, what are they cooking? This is dope. They all of a sudden went from a mediocre rebuild to, whoa, this one draft class

might change these motherfuckers' lives. Sean Marks is a genius. What? Then you remember, Sean Marks is awesome, a fantastic GM at everything except drafting. He sucks ass at drafting. Fantastic accumulating picks,

accumulating players that put you in a spot that if you can draft well, you're going to be in a fantastic spot. Terrible at making those decisions. This is a perplexing combination of bets. I'll say that. Yeah, I think for me, I was trying to be nice because you go into the draft

and you know, okay, this team needs this, this team needs that. And so when you see this, the net to take a point guard. It's like, all right, if that's the one that you guys like, go ahead, go get your guy, especially because you have four other picks afterwards. Yeah. You can kind of make up for it. And then that's at number eight. Then you get to 19. It's like, oh, another point guard. It's like, okay, oh, wow. Like, you guys really wants to solve this point guard problem. Oh, they play the same. They both can't shoot. Okay. But you know what?

Like, I guess you guys kind of have archetype and you, you know how you want to build your team. So you're just trying to get something. And then you get to 22. And then they pick, then they pick another guard, you know, man, what the hell is going on here, bro? Like, the big, they pick a guard who's a little bit different who's projected to be a space or defender, whatever, cool. But then it's after that again, too, it was like, okay, you pick another guard who's not like necessarily the greatest three-point shooter. And then on top of that, too, you pick again, that's where the gimmicks start to play

on Danny Wolf. At that point in time, it's like, brother, you had a fantastic opportunity to really lay a super strong foundation, really lay the groundwork and really diversify the talent that you have in the room you know what the streets are saying what are they saying she's just saying they drafted israeli d'angelo russell yeah the fact that de angelo russell is your comp but you're saying de angelo was your comp but you also can't shoot imagine de lo without a shot who we're talking about here we're talking about refar no i know but i'm like what is that what does that what does that mean carazo i don't know bro terrible yeah de lo without a shot had people talking very crazy on the on the on the

timeline as a Lakers as a Lakers fan just couldn't just couldn't figure out like why he was on the court for those playoffs Nets fans are in despair right now dude they were on top of the world for 24 hours after that K-P trade they got the fifth first round pick nobody's ever had five first-on picks in the first round

this is the first time it's ever happened and you know once again like we said at the top when we talked about our perception on draft night I have ignorance to the subject I've never seen Raffar play I don't know if he's good or not maybe Sean Marks clearly knows more about him than I do

so these bets could pay off but that's a lot of risky bets It doesn't even matter It's the process like we said that's within it It's dumb And you could say if we have five bites of the apple We want to take five extreme sealing picks Because all we need is one or two to hit

Maybe that provides more fruits than five safe picks There is logic there to some degree You see similar circumstances play out To a lesser volume Because five picks is something we've never seen But I get that if you think There's a 20% chance of these hits hitting that if I have five, 20% chances,

you know, the compounding results, I feel good about that. But it's still just weird. It's no matter what, I could see that vision if it wasn't three, the same archetype. Exactly.

That's where you lose me. They fumbled. If they diversified it and like got, I don't know, Resheard Fleming or some other guy that just didn't, don't play the same position

because at that point in time, you just create a log jam and how can you, like, I guess all these players are bigger than your traditional point guards. I think the smallest guy may be knowing. It's like 6-3.

Yeah, who was like 6-6. three so these guys could all theoretically play together but again like no but you still have but you still have cam tom you still have cam thomas out on the floor and so you know that there's going to be at least another guard position taken up by by camp thomas and so like are you going to be running these three guard lineups and two of them can't shoot like it's it's going to be a really really weird thing where even if cam thomas is there and you're running a three guard lineup you have three guards who need the ball in their hands to be to be to be successful. So what's going to happen is they're not going to play.

They're going to shelf some of these guys, let them develop behind the scenes and try to figure it out like an NFL team with like quarterbacks where you let them develop in the building. That's so stupid. Like, it's just stupid as fuck. Like, and I'm sure the goal is we want a point guard

of the future. We're taking a lot of bets. One of them hits, great. Other two, we trade in the future. And again, there's logic there, but you're also eliminating the world in which multiple of these guys hit and now you have a core.

Only one can be your starting point guard. So, again, the logic is there to make sure you hit this one need because you have clax and you have cam, you have players that are already in place, you really need to figure out point guard. But it's just too many eggs and baskets and especially when there's so many flaws in the eggs they pick.

I agree. It's very tunnel vision in terms of their process. I will say. And if it works, it works and we're stupid and he's right, but I don't feel that worried. If it works, it works, cool.

But if it doesn't, we're going to look back at this night generationally, one of the worst draft nights that we've seen by far because you had so many bites at the apple. Nothing against the players, of course,

process in the thought the thought process of the entire night consistently terrible man yeah outside of like drafting a huge bust in number one this could be one of the biggest flops if it goes poorly yeah yeah I agree

so yeah the biggest problem for them is what the fuck are they doing we don't know the vision zero identity I don't think they don't know the vision next team similarly well actually we do have a little bit of vision but similar timeline I got the Utah jazz my biggest problem for them to solve

is what the fuck you can do with all these guards they got to trade some guards immediately they drafted Walter Clayton Jr. after they drafted at Ace Bailey pick is funny because they told him to go fuck himself you don't want to be here we're picking you anyway so we don't care what you want

which cool shout out Danny Age I guess he fits well in that Will Hardy offense I think we see the vision there if they can get him bought into cutting running off these screens playing off a lot of marketing

I think that's a good spot for Ace Bailey it's just funny that he didn't want to be there but after that they pick Walter Clayton Jr., who I like a lot I like his brand of shot making his brand of quick trigger three off a pick and roll

you can't run drop on him or he's gonna pull if that translates to the NBA I like that type of player a lot. Problem is they have like five of those type of players. They have so many guards now they just cannot play. They need to trade Colin Sexton. They need to trade Jordan Clarkson.

Figure out who the three guards they want run with are and ship the other guys out. It is not just a log jam. It is a log jam that cannot be. You can't go into the season like this straight up. They have to move one or two, maybe three of these guys. Yeah, exactly. And on top of that, too, they've still been building the Keontay George thing. Obviously, I think with

Walter Clinton Jr. in the building, it's probably that experiment might be over very, very soon. and then they are still they're investing heavily on Isaiah Collier had a really good or a good rookie year so they again they need to definitely identify certain pieces but the best way to do that

is like clearing out the room so yeah I agree with you they can help a lot of good teams let him thrive somewhere else yeah and Jordan Clarkson let him die somewhere else for sure thanks all right let's talk about another team that needs to figure out what they're going to do

at their guard position the Dallas Mavericks Okay. Kyrie Irving is injured. He is either going to, he can come back, but do we expect Kyrie Irving to be Kyrie Irving as soon as he steps back onto the floor? No, it's probably going to take a little bit of time, especially for somebody who's aging.

You have Anthony Davis and you have Cooper Flag. A.D., fantastic player. He is not throw the ball into him, go create a bucket all the time in the same way that you would think about the other, I guess, top, top centers in the league like a Joel and B. like a yokech he's not like that but he can still give you 26 27 whatever cooper flag the one knock on his offensive game is and it's not even a knock it's more of a question of how high is the ceiling

for his own self-creation to go be a get us a bucket kind of guy to to properly work this you are going to need a point guard and they don't really have one right now because spencer dimmody is a free agent now he can resign and you can run that you know you can run that you also have Clay Thompson who needs a point guard who needs passes around him to supplement his movement. That's just the number one thing that they need to do because outside of that

good roster. It's pretty good. It's pretty amazing roster. And you know what? If they had like, if this roster had somebody like a Luca Donchitz who can just elevate everybody else right and really tie everything I mean this team could win the finals. They can make the finals. They are winning the finals.

Right? So yeah, that's the big thing for them. They just need a point guard. Yeah, stopgap solution or long-term solution Because you could always put Kyrie back with the two So if there is an opportunity to get someone long-term That fits the timeline of Cooper Flag You could do that at the minimum Find a guy that can be competent for this season

Find your version of Dennis Schrooter I guess somebody that can just run the offense Well enough and keep the ball moving Doesn't got to be an elite passer Doesn't got to be elite score Just a body because we're just biting time Until Kyrie can come back Presumably March or whatever February

Whatever maybe just hopefully pre-playoffs Yeah Speaking of waiting for your point going guard to just come back. The Indiana Pacers, they are my next team. It's hard for me to look at a team and be like, okay, what's the biggest priority? Obviously, like Tyrese Halliburins out, so it kind of nerves your entirety of next year. And in the meantime, you're just figuring out ways to get better incrementally, just break by brick, pebble by pebble by pebble. What is their goal now? I really don't know. In my mind, when I look at this roster, of course,

it's hard to poke out a flaw because they're the deepest, one of the deepest teams that the NBA has to offer. But for me personally, if I'm looking at this team and if there's one more archetype of player that I would love to add, ironically enough, he's already in this team. He's just not like the best version of himself right now, and that's Benedict Matherin. I would love to see another initiator on this team, another somewhat of an elite ISO score. Of course, Tiji McConnell, salute. He gained so much respect. He has so much, or he is solidified in goddamn pacer history, all right? but they need to solidify another wing in my mind who can get off buckets in a multitude of ways

because Andrew Numbhardt can be inconsistent. T.J. McConnell, he has gaps in his game. Bennett Matherin is good, but he is weights. He's so volatile as a player and as a score and solidifying that position would be the best. What is the pathway? I don't know because you don't want to break the thing up or make any harsh moves. But that is like a genuine question.

I'm not even thinking about that. I don't care who was on the roster. right now. What's the goal here? Like, with Tyree's out for the year, like, this is so tragic. And so the time in which it happened in the last game of the season, when you were already in the finals, like, this is like mind-boggling levels of misfortune that everything you said is true about the roster. I almost feel like it doesn't matter. Like, let me not say that. It could matter. I don't know if it matters because I don't know if they should treat it as a quasi-rebuilding year, trade some older guys and try to retool in this off year where you don't have your star player

similar to what the Celtics are doing. I don't know if they should do that or I don't know they should say, listen, Andrew Nemhard, everybody says you can be the next Jaylon Brunson. You got a year to prove it. Go be Jalen Brunson. We'll try to stay aflo and have a good year and just hope Tyrese comes back and have a great year the next year.

I genuinely don't know just because this is a uniquely fucked up situation to be that good and that close to the championship and have this perfect of a formula that is so perfect because it is entirely dependent on Tyrese Halliburton, you can't just intuitively run it back and say, we're good without Tyree still,

we'll do the same thing we'd always do and just be a solid team. Yeah. The formula is entirely different if you don't have Tyrese. And then also they can't like break it up too because the Boston Celtics had massive issues. They already won a championship, but they have a massive payer issues. The Indiana Pacers don't have that. Of course they have to pay Miles Turner, but he's not going to be the reason why your team isn't able to make any necessarily any big moves.

I actually think that's the question for them. But it's a question. Yeah, you can sign and trade him. It's to figure out what exactly you want to do with Miles Turner because the like before before the run. You were probably a little bit iffy, and then you get to game seven of the NBA finals. And Miles Turner had a bad final series, right? But you go through this entire thing, and now it's, it just feels different because the scores come together and all and all that stuff.

So now it's like, okay, we actually do have to pay him. Tyrese is out. Do I want to, do I want to spend major money on Miles Turner knowing that one, Tyrese isn't going to be there for one of those years? And then he's going to have to come back for the second year. And now we're just paying Miles Turner a lot of money. and it might handicap us whenever Tyrese is actually ready to, like, lead this team again, that's the, that's the big question that I have for them.

Chalkim is 31. You got to keep them. You got to keep them this year. But, like, figuring out that window is so complicated. They got to 2026 first-on pickback. So they do have this option now that if things go poorly, they can shut people down, do a quasi-second half of the year tank, but you're too good to go into that. I didn't even say, Saucum, 31 to say this to trade them.

say he's in his prime like you yeah he only has so many good years he doesn't want to waste any of them so he's going to want to compete rick carlo's old he's going to want to compete they're too many guys in the team that want to compete and aren't here to have a long-term vision you know well i think that that's their history tells us that they're not going to bottom out exactly never exactly but they keep they're going to go and they're going to have the 15th overall pick in the next year's draft and they're going to be fine with it and so as we're talking about it's like you know what miles turner get ready you're about to get paid everybody's just going to go but if they do that year and it's just going to be that then i think that nemhard and bened matherin are

going to be heavily featured because we got to give them a year to see do you have star potential with war ball on your hands it's a better better than mathron thing for me in my mind and if they do do if they do end up paying miles turner then they're going to end up like cap blocking themselves and it's going to be boston celtics s type of situation because you got you kind of Tyrese, Seacom. Yeah, you're right, you're right. I do, I do agree. You made the conference finals and then got to game seven of the finals.

Like, it's not like, it's not like, and it's not like a Hawks run in 21. It's not even like a Knicks run this year. We could have won the chip. Like, you were two quarters away from winning the chip if you didn't get there. Exactly. It's so complicated. This is just such a big year for figuring out who's going to be in the next guy to pop. And in my mind, all it is going to be unbenton it because you were the fucking lottery pick

the only louder big that we've had in a very long time and then you guys will try to shoot me but Jaris Walker is a pretty good player I was supposed to say that too I just looked up my brain I thought some reason I thought he had tragic injury he was going to be out for the season I don't know who I was thinking of but it was just an ankle injury

so he's good yeah so yeah it's gonna be about so their problem for this off season is figuring out how to put these guys in best situation for this quasi rebuild figuring out exactly how they want to go about it because it's complicated but if we're projecting it's Nemhard Mathurin Jarris Walker you think we'll get opportunity proof to us you can be

be this next star. And then after that, we're going the next season. We'll re-evaluate money-wise. One of you guys probably has to go because you're up for payments pretty soon. Myrador might have to go, whatever may be. But figure out how to put the best infrastructure in place. I think they'll get a disabled player exception for Tyre's Halliburton. That I think those are like 50% of their salary. You get a player exception for that. So they can trade for another point guard that can be competent potentially. Kind of D'Angle Russell or something. Like, good God. Yeah. That would be so anti-based. Yeah. Well, I don't know. nah you would be in type of

why because he's not great but like why that's why that's it no good player in yeah no good player he's not bad player like I don't know

I think him back on your roster I don't give a shit about him but I'm just saying I don't think that'd be the worst case scenario for a stop gap be a decent playmaker but I think they'll probably

have Nimhart be the starting point guard give him a chance they'll put Beniz Mathin full time into the lineup Johnny Furphy you might be your time to shine as well yeah all the young guys literally all the young guys

someone has to step up to the plate and a suit and like really leave their mark on this roster and in general like the NBA, bro. Okay. Someone has to pop. Next team I got. Miami Heat's, man.

This is the same problem we've been talking about for a couple weeks now. You know what it sounds like? What? Speed round. Lightning round. Well, this is the point that the heat,

the reason we weren't talking about the heat in the regular season anymore is because they had nothing to think about because they're only thinking about towards the off season. And now we're here. You got to figure out what the pivot is. The biggest problem is you don't have an identity.

You don't have the answers for your long term posting me, Butler. You have a good core. You have Tyler Hero and you have Bam on a Bayo who have made All-Stars. Debate yourself every year if they'll be an All-Star again. We'll call them All-Star level players, but they're obviously not high-tier All-Stars. Exactly. The Heat better have two All-Stars next year. Maybe.

They have a good second and third star. They have a great second and third star, need the first star. You're right. They fake tried to trade for Kevin Durant. They don't want to put anything interesting in there, and they just want to appease their fans by making them think you're near Kevin Durant. That shit was fake as hell. But they have wear

Who could be stealing play Where in bedmond of bio Is your future front court? I think Tyler Heroes there What now? They have to figure out what the pivot is It's not Kevin Durant

Jimmy Bullers out the door You need to make a big swing You can't just run this trio back This can't be your top three Defining guys I'll be a big swing Tell me You fired Pat Riley

That for real is the thing Pat Riley And the way that they have moved Over the last two to three years Whether it be the dame trade and not being able to complete that or running Jimmy Butler out of town or not getting Kevin Durant

all of those things in successive years you look at and we've had these conversations throughout the year of like what actually is heat culture at this point and it's this 80 year old man up top who is set in his ways who you don't really know what his vision is obviously you want to compete

because he's 81 but is that is that going to be feasible right now I don't know they have to They need to have a serious conversation about And Pat Riley needs to look at himself in the mirror And figure out what he wants to do with this team They need to trade for more scoring clearly They need to get so probably

They probably need to buy low on somebody with bad PR Lamella ball is probably not available If he was and that whole theory Of Lamella ball being traded came to be I think that he should be all over that They need to find a guy that has all the town in the world And they can reclaim his PR That for one of the best case scenario

I don't know if that move is on the table right now It's about to be Jalen Green time Italian hero doesn't make sense A little bit too A Tyler here was a point guard I would actually see the vision there Yeah That would be nice

If you can't do something like that Go get to Marta Rosen Do something competent I guess to keep this core And give yourself a little more juice No I guess They made a good move

Colum sexton I guess Get somebody that can be decent Yeah They had a really good draft Last night they did They did draft Kasparz Jacac Junif And he does really

He can start day one in my mind And release some pressure and tension off a Tyler Tyler Hero and all the playmaking responsibilities and duties that he has. But outside of that, that's really like a nothing burger or a moving on. So I think there's, I don't know like if they really have any aspirations or Pat Wright has an aspiration. So continue to like make big swings. Yeah, so, no, Trey Murphy's available.

That could be an interesting swing. We say that for everybody, but like that could be interesting. They need anybody to anything. They need a creator specifically. They need another creator. Tyler Hero is not enough. He should be your second best perimeter player in terms of on-ball ability. abilities and bam obviously you just don't want to put too much on ball ability on his hands let him be the defensive player let him be the play finisher specifically need a ball handler and if it's demar i guess you'll be the heat it'll be the heat next year fine that's like defensible i suppose if you're trying to maintain the status quo obviously i'm sure many fans want a little more inspiration there and that's finding somebody you can buy low on finding a star we don't we don't necessarily think of as available right now and coming from the woodworks yeah that if the quickest weight to relevancy honestly is like finding the next disc

disgruntal star and that's just time. It's time wheels on that'll happen. Yeah, I'm looking across the teams here. You better hope Devin Booker request a trade. I don't know. Like there's not a lot, but again, we usually don't see these coming. You know, like, so like it's aspers decide they're going, Dylan Harper and they trade to Aaron Fox in the dead of night, get him to the heat, something like that, like that we don't

necessarily expect. What if Zion goes ahead and just like request the trade after like 20 games next year or something like that? Miami heat by low on Zion Williamson. That's exactly what they need to do. That could very much happen. He changes representation and because Pelicans are just a shit show in general. Yeah, so their biggest problem is they don't have an identity right now. You better surveyed the league and find one this year.

Yeah. Specifically on-ball capabilities. Yeah. All right. Next team for me, the Chicago Bulls. That was vulgar. Yeah. They have to pass the test.

What test? Figuring out proper asset management. Oh, okay. Do you have, I think for them, the thing is you have to figure out a way to get off of Vooch's contract. Vooch is an expiring. deal. And they've done this twice now. Like, you could have, you had Demar de Rosen, you got nothing for him. You had Zach Levine, got very little for him. You got Alex Caruso. And you could have got multiple first-on picks. Instead, you got Josh Getty. And now you have, again, Vooch, a center who can

shoot a little bit. We've been talking all day about this team needs to be. This team needs a big. Vich be a serviceable big for a lot of teams in the league you trade him you go get an asset let's see if you can actually do it this time and and operate in the right way because you you have you have you have colby white you're probably going to trade lanzo fine whatever but those two guys and with all the draft picks that you're making this year you're building an actual young core which doesn't really fit in the core that you're that you're doing but he's also too good to where you can't just x him out of your offense and everything that that you're doing so So you got to get them out of there so you can give everybody else time to time and room to grow.

For me, that's their number one problem. It's figuring out how to get off of Vooch's deal. Yeah, that makes sense. Wait, can I double up if you don't have anything to say? Go for it. The Bulls of the West, the Sacramento Kings. I don't even know where to start. Zach Levine's there, cool.

Shout out to DeMardo Rosen. I remember reading a report a couple weeks ago or a couple months ago to Bowman's was like he wants to know where he lays when it comes to the Sacramento King's future they did make a really good draft pick last last night and Nick Clifford but when you talk about the Sacramento Kings it's the very much same light as the Bulls

you don't even know where to start on a conversation because they're just confusing or all and they just have no direction we haven't said direction no no no no no no we haven't said the three words that define NBA offseason talk today we haven't done it because I don't think we can do it for any of these other teams I'm going to use it right now I'm going to press button that I'm only telling myself I can press once per

off season because everybody overuses it including us in past years. Please be careful. Blow it up. Fuck. This is a T-MD's a blow-it-up. We haven't done blow it up talks all the episode. The Kings need to blow it up. Their biggest problem is they need to blow it up and the fact that they have not blown it up yet. That is the need for the summer. Sabonis is going to ask, hey, where are we

at right now? Are we trying to win? They'd be like, nah, where you want to go? They need to let him go. They trade DeVoreauze in the Miami Heat. Trade Levine to the Detroit Pistons. Trade Sabonis to wherever the fuck wants him. Get him out of here. Strip it down. down to the studs. Let's go back to King's basketball as be miserable. They need

the truest sense of blowing it up. You know what? That's very smart, but you have to realize who you're talking to. This is the Chicago Bulls of the West. It's not smart. Because if they blow it up, they're never going to get back out of it. I mean, they have back out of it. Forty-three wins. They're not going to see 43 wins for a long time. I'm not saying blowing up will bear fruit

because they're not good of their jobs, but nevertheless, they blow it up. I agree. They need to blow it up. Even if they do blow it up, blowing it up will be better than what you're witnessing right now. Because if you blow it up, you got a chance of landing top end talent. Send a weekmunk to the magic. Send them there.

You get Jet Howard. You get Tristan de Silva. Get some young players. I love that. That genuinely is more exciting than sitting down and watching Demardo Rosen and Zach Levine just go off for buckets here and there. Get Yovich and get Jaime Hakez from the heat. Get Tristan de Silva and get Jet Howard for the magic.

Combine all these average wings. Put them on your team and lose a bunch of games. Okay. So they won 44 games in 2005, 2006. They did not win 44. games again until 2022, 22, 23. God damn. I have not won 44 games since.

No, they won 46 the year after than 40 last year. Fuck. Okay. So, listen, they may not see 43 wins in a long time. This is a different type of despair that we're talking about now. And we know they're not good at rebuilding. We know it'll be a bad journey back, but we also know this journey failed. And I can definitely say this journey failed and it will not be saved.

I, you know, you always don't want to speak too definitively because you never know. Come bite your words next thing. You know, a team is a two seed. This team will not be a two seed. I can guarantee your life on that. I got no worries. If the Sacramento Kings end up being a two seed, I will kill both of you. Why do I got to die for their?

Because I won't put nothing else on the line, bro. I just know what's going to happen. Yo, they go through, like, they're in between all of their eras. It's crazy. So before this, like their first mini era started in 99, 2000. They won 44 games. Prior to that, the last time that they won 44 games was 1882, 1983.

Every time that they go through Lulls, it's 15, 17 years of just despair before they can get back to like 43. Where do we want to see Sabonis? Where's the best Sabonis fit right now? Next to Jaron,

put them in the Grizzlies. Memphis is immediately like a fresh thing in my mind. You get a jaw cutting off a subonus hub throwing lobs? Yeah. Jaron can protect them a little bit. That works a lot. That works a lot.

I know there are a team that's trying to pivot to win championship basketball. I don't know if Sabonis is necessarily most conducive to that. But it would fit for regular season basketball. What about the Detroit Pistons? How do you feel about that? Oh, never right now.

You don't want to miss it. But it's too clunky. He's good. Not the best Cade fit. He's good. I want Cade to have a more traditional big that can run, pick and roll. Yeah, you're right.

The Miami, he needed identity. Send him out of bio out. Have wear and subonis? I don't know. I agree. I'd rather have out of bio, but, you know, teams want him.

The Charlotte Hornets, I mean, he would be solid. Also, the wisdom would be an okay fit for him to. Him and Saar, I suppose. Yeah, at this, at this stage, obviously he's just like a one two year yeah type of guy I don't know but some teams are in the gutter

somebody wants them I'm sure yeah let's take a more down bad teams I got the go ahead and double up I got the New Orleans Pelicans please double up oh this is this is a long conversation right here is it what do you think dummies we yesterday we were talking yesterday we were trying to identify the dummies of the league it's harder

to find it because a lot of teams got smarter but also why I say that in the same breath we found teams that got dumber yeah so the pelicans have officially taken the reins of the worst run organization in sports right now in basketball they uh know and who's thriving off of that the alana hawks we finesse them not once but in back to back off seasons oh my god that is true you got to find a mark and you got to run off time every year that's the same thing the kings and bulls are doing each other trading yeah find the biggest bozo you know and take advantage of him

bro man i'm so happy i'm so so we're saying this because in the draft last night they moved up from pick 23 to 13 trading up with the Atlanta Hawks and they gave up next year's unprotected pick and only is that pick unprotected, it's swapped already with the bucks in a good way they have the swap rights so they get the best pick out of the bucks and the pelicans

so we get two opportunities two teams who have a bullshit feature in front of them the best outcome of that goes to the Hawks now we get two opportunities to get a top pick is what you're telling me right now you do and what did they get in turn for that they trade out 10 spots to secure Derek Queen who we like Derek Queen has immense potential he could be the Sangoon

to Marcus Cousins type of big that can have ball handling strong finishing down low can create that's intriguing next to Zion if you get the best of them that's hard to have it's hard to find a team that has two bigs

that can match up both those guys physically if the Derek Queen thing works it also might not work because they might also both be bad at defense so there is a downside you give up an unprotected first to make an experiment that could work but also could not work

it is an unsafe bed at best bad asset management at worst or actually bad asset management reality moronic at worst there's a big scenario which it doesn't work out at all and you already add that to the fact that the Benson family

are the worst owners in the league right now now that Jeannie Bus and the buses are on the way out they're no longer the brokest owners in the league the Benson family has no motion they have the Jeanthe Murray was saying

they have no facilities no funding no resources it's a bad place to play if you're an NBA player yeah now they have Joe Dumars who has not been to GM for quite a while

he's been working in the league office the past four years and why wasn't he a GM for a while because he got old and washed He made the Pistons winning championship. He was part of that team in 04. Stayed there for a while. By the time he left in 2012, he was,

ah, the league had passed them up. He was not making smart decisions. Pistons fans will tell you that he drove them into a hole. Didn't have a job for a while, came back, and he immediately is making perplexing decisions right away again. He doesn't invite a draft picks. He is just old-minded. Another guy who did a lot of the similar thing is Joe Dumars in terms of not the greatest

front office guy is Troievers. He is a VP, very much a part of that office and front office and very much making all types of move as well alongside Joe Dumars and they're just cooking up a massive pot of shit. I don't know it was pot of shit yet, but it's not looking good. I'm going to say a pot of shit because genuinely, like, I didn't even think about this.

You go ahead and draft someone like Jeremiah Fears. I think he's going to be a good player in this league. But a couple of days before that, you trade for Jordan Poole? Okay. Both players who, two players who are very similar in terms of archetype. Obviously you want the shooting, you imagine the shooting swing up for some line

Jeremiah fears. But it really doesn't make that much sense because they are duplicative and they can't very much share a role at all. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Their biggest problem. So we started off this segment just saying you guys suck and it's bad. But the problem is figure out which of these cogs you can keep because they have too many moving parts right now. It's like they've always had too many moving parts over the last few years. This is the same issue.

Yeah, death quickly becomes confusion. And this team is the personification of that. They're already moving group, which is a good start, right? But then you, like you said, you add pool, you add fears, you add queen. on ball players, Queen's ceiling is with the ball in his hands. And none of them are good defenders. None of them are good defenders.

Yeah. So they have that. They still have Cherfrey, still have Herb, still have Zion, still have Jordan Hawkins, still have Jose Alvarado, still have polymorbid names I can't think about.

Lots of players and the fit is not there. So the problem is we got to make this fit work. You have to retool this roster. It's a good problem to have because all the players I named are good. They're valuable. Some of them extremely valuable. Like Tray Murphy's case,

if you want to sell high, I wouldn't, but that's there. You got to solve. the Zion question. I think I saw an interview with Joe Dumas said the solve to the Zion question is keep them. They have faith in him. They're going to give him another chance to be the star player there.

So as it currently stands, this team around Zion is weird. The problem is you've got to make it not weird. Brother, I think it's easy. I look at this front office and they have problems. I got solutions. They need to start taking vitamins that are good functioning for your brain. I'm talking about vitamin B, omega-3s. You need your magnesium.

You need your vitamin D, bro. They need L-thene, all types of vitamins. to get things going because it's clear that they got a lot of brain fog for whatever reason. Maybe they ain't sleeping early enough. The main 62 years. Long COVID. Exactly, bro. Exactly.

I think that's the only. You got eight years. You got eight years. You're 62 years old. Once we get to 70, we got to start saying like, all right, brother. Damn. You already pre-planning to put them down. This is crazy.

No, no, not putting it down. I mean, it's clear. Oh, listen, this is your second chance. Like, you haven't learned anything in 15 years. What have you been doing? been studied. Yeah. So Joe Dumas. Brain fog, bro.

Nobody believes in you. For two decades. Nobody believes in you, Joe Dumars. What are you prepared to do about it? Right now, you got to show us. You got to show us something. Omega 3. I guess I'll double up my other shitty team.

I have the Hornets. There's a problem now is they traded Mark Williams and they didn't draft another big. The question is who was going to set screens for La Malle Ball? They didn't draft Klingin last year. They drafts a Tijon Salon. That is going to sting them for a long time. So how do we rectify that?

How do we get big tier? because you can't go into next year with this big man rotation that doesn't exist anymore post Mark Williams post Nick Richards you got nobody who are we going to find

who are you going to put there because they need to figure that out maybe it's a DeAndreate and trade maybe it's a Rob Williams trade it's somebody you buy low on Andre Drummond come on everybody gets a clinical bell these days yeah they got to retool the roster

with the big man group specifically figure out short term and long term solution all right cool super bleak over there oh my phone was serious listening all time so I just like transcribe all that in my notes app

where I take the timestamps that's funny All right, my next team Yeah, we'll have to spend Damn, nobody at Hornet's thoughts That's it I mean, they got use of Nerkich bro Like I don't know what to say

They're rebuilding their ass Yeah, no I forgot to them Like they drafted really well last night I would say they got the two Standup White Boys and draft No, no, no, Concanip was good bro

Louie Neely's gonna be good No, that's all the problems They wanted last year We know they wanted Dalton Connect when they were trying to trade Mark Williams They were connected to Dalton Connect

before the draft They drafted a three years younger Better at everything version Dalton Connecting Concanipal That was a fantastic move And now you got to figure out how you're going to support them with big men because right now it's disgusting. Yeah. Miles Bridges is a terrible defender. He's your power forward and Nurkish is your center, not a rep protector.

You got to hope that Grant Williams comes back healthy, too. I'm dunking on them. Yeah, it's terrible. So yeah, figure out the big men, specifically defenders. Cool. All right. I'm going to go to the, to the Mandum, to the Toronto Raptors. Okay.

They need, they just need more ballhandling. Do you have a lot of guys that aren't? supposed to be number one ball handlers not not supposed to always have the ball in your hands like scotty barnes is is cool we've kind of seen that experiment having him have the ball in his hands the entire time it's not great i don't want the ball in r j barrett's hands the whole time brandon ingram i don't want i don't want him playing you know he's a bucket getter he's not a facilitator in any in any you know form like that and then you have a manual quickly who you still need to figure out what you're doing but outside of him it's like jemashid like that's that

That's not... Shed. Yeah, Jamal Shed. That's not fantastic. I don't love it. Yeah, they haven't mentioned quickly who they paid. And obviously the PR of that deal

is not good right now. It hasn't necessarily worked out. Injury is the main reason why, but also even when he's on the court, probably because the injury is held him back. He hasn't made that leap that everybody thought he could. The basis of them paying him was saying, maybe we've got the next Tyris Maxie here.

He does another opportunity to show it. That hasn't happened yet. So they're kind of left in a point where you're obligated to keep getting him chances because you paid them, but you don't have even like a backup plan for that, you know, like the guys you name, they have good off guards, they have good wings, they draft the Colin Murray Boyles, back to the size, always, getting all the athletic wings that can't shoot.

You need to have somebody that can bring that together. And it's hard if quickly stays there because you only have so many assets and push around and you can't give up on you yet. So it's a tough decision. Yeah, at this point in time, I just, there's so much going on. And I think it's just a waiting game for me when it comes to Emmanuel quickly. just the waiting game the second that you figure out like yeah he's clearly not the guy which you don't want to sell to you don't want to give what you figure out too fast yeah because

the injuries that's when you make the next decision for me yeah they should also trade rjabrit i think so yeah that's you're right you're absolutely right about that's a good talking point he absolutely needs to be gone not because he had a bad season he had a really good season last year that's why i got a lot of his year so they need to sell him high as high as hell yeah they they have in room they have scotty barns grady dick could be a fit in as a good space of their long term to two quickly gives you spacing RJ Barrett is just too I think with Brandon Ingram

the need for RJ Barrett's form of creation and driving is less important to this roster so cash in now he's expensive you're gonna have to pay some more guys pretty soon send them else

trying to get more shooting try to get another playmaker potentially yeah I don't even know what the market is for him what do you think wants do you think the Phoenix Suns will want RJ Barrett

for like Jalen Green do the do they want Jalen Green yeah the Raptors yeah one coming off the bench or starting in the limited I don't know actually know what that's not that's not bad that's not bad do you think jane green can demand more than rj barrett do you think he has more value around the league but no it's no jane green

does not have more value in my mind well if it's one for one i think that that that probably makes sense for both teams fit wise i probably yeah i wouldn't hate that yeah i mean obviously it more and more so benefits the phoenix sons obviously because of roster construction issues but for the um toronto rafters they might be they'll be pissed because they're getting the worst player but positionally when it comes to thinking of like what scotty barnes needs, which is a high-contained guard who just an explosive score. At times, Zandering can give you some of that.

So they got an idea of a guy that they want on the long side of him. So it's not bad. Sure. Jayley-Gree hits the ceiling. He'd be a great fit with Scotty Barnes. Yeah, I agree. Do you want to get that bet for him to seal anymore?

It is debatable. I don't know about that one, Chief. I don't know about that one. How many teams do you guys have? I got two left. Yeah, I got two more teams. Oh, are you sure? Yeah, I'm checking them out.

Positive. Yeah, I'm checking them out. You want to see? Nope, I believe you. So the last two teams that I have, one of them is the LA Clippers. It's hard to figure out what the team needs because they surpassed expectations last year. Braddling a super strong defense and having hardened carry on whatever pieces he can carry, which is setting up Zubotch to be one of the more improved pairs of the league.

Norman Powell had a fantastic year. And then randomly in the cut, Kauai Leonard had a great last two, two and a half months of the season. And he did wait a did in the playoffs. now obviously they didn't have enough no one really had championship type expectations but we all thought that they could do very interesting things in the playoffs which they did they took the Denver Nuggets

to Game 7 but after that what room for growth is there in my mind considering that they don't have any of their picks in the future because of the trade that happened so long ago James Hardin is I don't know how much better he can be at this point in time

same things for Kawhi Leonard Zubach he's the only hope for a certain level of growth on this roster because this team is like, I didn't even really think about it like this, but they're so absurdly bad. I saw it as Zubach, so absurdly bad when it comes to player development. There's no other player that you think that you can think of over the last like, I don't know, seven, eight, nine, ten years, not ten years because of Blake Griffin, but over the last few years, who has like seen massive growth who was damn near home grown for this roster.

And that's the only real way I can see them genuinely improving. Outside of that, swing for the fences, trade a couple of seconds or whatever you can for... Has James Hardin picked up his player option yet? I believe so. Or is he declining it? I'm not 100% sure. Let me see. Yeah, double second.

Because that's interesting wrinkle is of what they're going to do with him money-wise? Or let's see. He's expected to up out. Up out, yeah, probably right, get a multiple-year deal. Okay, that makes sense. And if that is the case, hopefully they don't, like, cap-lock themselves. I think what they need to do is start to prepare for the future posting. harder in post-coil-in-ard life.

Obviously, don't sell off too, too hard. They made all, honestly, they made a lot of their moves mid-season with Bob Don Bogdanovich and last season trading for, or signing up Derek Jones, Jr. And getting Chris done and all that. They made a lot of their moves mid-season. So I'm not sure how much better they can be. The only thing that you really want is health for this team. Yeah, it's mostly just running back to formula, right?

Like, they have their team. They were really good. Last year, when the first round came, they were favored. Everyone knew it would be a long series. is going to be grueling, but I think the consensus pick was like Clippers in seven. They were playing some of the best basketball on the NBA, so they really don't need to shake it up.

They can add improvements. They can put together some of these salaries and get to like a $20 million player if they want to get another shooter. Obviously, they could be in the Cam Johnson sweepstakes so they really wants to. They have the ability to put that money together if you want to send out like a Norman Powell

if he picks up his option or whoever may be. Yeah, so no, I'll say that. They can make an upgrade on the wing. That's probably the one problem they have is they can stand to add a little bit better of a shooting threat out there and just continue to strengthen their strength. But I feel pretty good about the formula of what this team is.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I agree. Nobody goes to fuck about the clipper is. They're probably the most simplest team because they already made all their moves already. Yeah, they're really without a big problem. So, like, it's not even that we don't care. It's that for the point of them having a problem to solve, there's not much to say.

Yeah. Except Donovan doesn't care. No, I don't care about them. I had the Glaciers. This kid's stay in Los Angeles. I forgot we haven't talked about them yet. Get a center. That's the biggest problem they got to solve.

is probably the most talked about problem in the NBA off season. Their center room is diabolical. This is ridiculous. Name the names. Jackson Hayes. You're gone. Kick rocks, buddy.

You're out of here, preferably to China. You're gone. Shout out the Luka Donchich boost you got in the second half of the season. You gave him 18 games of being really good.

People thought that was going to be enough. I believed in you to be enough for a playoff run to win a playoff series. You weren't enough. Guess what? You're gone. Fool me, can't get fooled again.

Can't get fooled again. Not going to happen. Kick Rock's buddy. So they've got to find the replacement. They've got to find the starting big. They're linked to every young big in the NBA in this trade market. They have Connect. They have a first-on pick and a pick swap to send, which, considering it's a 231, first-owned pick to each their own on the value of that.

Now, they have Luca. If Luca's not here for long, that could be an amazing pick if you lose in a few years or it could be useless because Luca's going to be here for a while. Who knows? But it's a tantalizing pick at least a little bit. They can trade for Walker Kessler, potentially. Danny Angel trying to rip through pockets shreds like always Nick Clacks is a popular name

or link to who's third one I'm blanking on now I just thought about it before um Klingapela's right there free agency wise yeah well they can get one

those bigs like I said or sign at Klincapella or sign Andre Drummond whoever maybe he's a stop gap oh wait no you already said him yeah maybe DeAndre Aden who knows there's a lot of bigs available

they got to figure out the right way to go about that Rob Plinka has to get someone that can be a long term running mate with Luca Dachers for the next three years at least and get a backup like a Concapella who can be here

and give you a decent backup and not put it so you have to play 30 minutes at Rui Hachamora's small ball basketball at the center. Yeah, if I was them, I mean, not only am I calling every GM I'm hosting open tryouts. And if you are above 611, let me see you do a mic and drill. You might be able to play for a slight best.

Yeah, it's very simple for them as well because we've been talking about that since February also. And they have other issues they could do. They could try to rebuild the team in other ways, find wings of the future. find any way to retool around Luca and like makes moves in the margins trade to Rui Hachimora do all these things

but above all else if we're talking about one problem they need to solve the only one that's a pressing problem that makes it so they can't win a playoff series is the center position if they can at least get a competent group there if they can get the Walker-Cessler trade done sign Klincapella as a backup

with their taxpayer mid-level exception then they can win a playoff series then they can be a team that actually has some sort of a ceiling we're not kind of picking to beat the goddamn thunder or maybe not beat the Rockets whoever else you is the second best team out there when the season comes around, but they can be in the mix if they get a decent big men room.

Yeah, I agree. Another thing that's interesting is that I saw a report by Shams, and he said that during Finney Smith is pondering on declining his player option, which is interesting, which is interesting, maybe he's going to like slightly decline that, get an extra mill to mills. I don't know what it is. They're going to decline and he doesn't sound like a two or three year deal. Yeah, and if that's the case, cool. but I think something else interesting is like what do you want to do with Austin Reeves because he's going to be I think he's due for an extension and I think that he declined like a $90 million extension. Similar thing. He declined it because next season, right now they can only offer him a 175% of his current salary and obviously he's not such a good deal.

That's the most they can give him is four year 90 million. Next summer if he just plays good again, he'll probably get four years 120 mil. Yeah. And I guess the question is do you feel good about investing that much on someone like Austin Reeves? Yeah, 30 mil. That's fine. That's the market rate for a slightly. below average, not below average, slightly below all-star level shooting guard of that ilk. They could trade them if the right deal comes around, right?

If they get another like star level player, they could package Austin Reeves and other stuff to get that. I'm not totally against that. But I don't, I'm not one of the people that's like, you can't play him and Luca, you got to move off of him. I think it's important that post-Lebron, you have another ball handler there that can give you that similar dynamic that Kyrie and Luca had. So Luca doesn't have everything on his shoulders.

Austin Reeves can clearly be that guy. I want to keep a long term. Yeah. Don't have to It's the right deal It comes along He can go Okay

Okay So there's a way There's a way Yeah You have any more teams Are you doing I have two more teams So I have

The Minnesota Tim Wolves Okay And so Going into yesterday The problem was Figure out Who you want to sign And who you want

To prioritize Between Nas Reid And Nikiel Alexander Walker Yeah I think after last night And after you go And draft Rudy Gober's Air Parent

You got yourself Another friend's center Awesome you your priority it should be nikea Alexander Walker because you you know that like yes Rob Delehem is coming and he's like on the way up but you still need some juice on that guard position Mike Connolly is getting super old and I think that it sucks because you might not be able to keep both and if you had to pick one I would go with Nickele Alexander Walker they'll probably keep both though I think for this for now long term we're able to keep

bold I don't know I knowledge read is such like a like beloved player there I find it really hard believe to let him walk unless he gets a stupid offer sheet and with how many bigs how many teams we talked about needing bigs yeah being able to have a stretch five like legitimately like if the magic had a stretch five or if anybody like just offered him something like that's like wow this team is actually like significantly different yeah so I don't know what type of deal is going to come for nazri i do think that he's going to get paid so i would i would just say like locking those two guys down, and more specifically in the care of Alexander Walker,

figure that out. Yeah, just figure out in general because like, you know, the flexibility they got in this Randall trade was to be able to keep all their role players. So, you can keep those two and then really figure out the Mike Conley piece. Like, is this the start to move off of him and empower somebody else to the starting lineup, whether it be Dante and you kind of lean into

point, Anthony Edwards, is it time to empower Rob Dillingham? Probably not as a starter, but you know, as a big part of that group post Conley, there's five names you have to choose between it and you kind of have to pick like three or four of them, and then figure out what the next move is. I really have no opinion on what the best answer is because I don't think you can afford to lose Nikiel or Nasar.

So it's tough. Yeah, it's a lot because you look at the team, I mean, they made the conference finals for a second straight year and it just keeps getting better. And obviously they have some flaws. But once you guys started clicking, this was good. I really did like this. Yeah.

I'm not sure. I'd want to retain as much as possible to simply run it back and bank on another year of development. from, of course, Anthony Edwards every year. He just keeps on getting better and better and better. And then just hope and pray that the biggest dice is, dice that you swung on last year's draft night, draft night, and Rob Dillingham ends up panning out. Keep by the other, they also try to get Kevin Durant and seemingly had Rudy Gobert in that

conversation. So I think they're also not married to keeping Rudy Gobert long term, which on the surface, you don't want to lose Gobert, like, in the idea, like, in your head of losing him for nothing because he's so important to the defense. but if there's a world out there in which they can move him and get a competent center in there and then have like shift your money to being another perimeter oriented player

in that instance would have been Kevin Durant other instances could be other players I don't again I don't think that's what they should do this summer but it doesn't the right deal comes around you cannot be married to the idea keeping 34 old Rudy Gobert If Kevin Durant's on the other side

yeah no I won't be married but if it's other players If it's not a top 10 top 12 player in the league no I'm not no I'm not gonna make that deal for gobert yeah i think it's a top 10 player to trade gobert i don't know about that i don't know i don't know how many players are worth yeah me check on the market are worth trading trading away personally but um yeah it feels like i agree with you in general when it comes to thinking about their certain thing about the next era after rudy gober he is definitely not untouchable and they prepared for that with their 30th draft pick last night you like you said another

french big it seems like they're getting ready to just like feel the pain of losing that that surface level defense that Rudy Bear has able to override them. Yeah. So that's something that they have to figure out, but that is the issue for them. So, retooling the roster and figuring out

what the priorities for the future. Yeah, I agree. My last team are the Atlanta Hawks. They made so many moves this past year, or this past, I don't know, three, four days. They changed the entire, the entire trajectory of their future.

And seeing how, they got Chris Hopkins in the building now. Okay, cool. You also on top of that, you got Aysa Newell in the building now. Okay, cool. Great news. I love that. Of course, we still have Zachary Ruse, Deson, Daniels, Trey, and all that.

The biggest swing factor in the future, of course, is that pick that we got from New Orleans, Pelicans we talked about it earlier. When I think about needs for this team, I feel like they've answered a good amount of them, specifically the center position. all we need is more development from Rich to say, John Johnson really needs to be healthy. And honestly,

like our answer is simple health and we need to get more buckets. And having Chris Stops be there to space things out gives us more opportunities to, of course, to get more buckets, but more so it's just like a health thing for us. So get buckets.

Exactly. We need more buckets. So there's no problem left for the off season? You feel like they've addressed them now? I think they did everything that they could so far. Of course, I would say like one thing if if I'm talking about like getting nitty green in the roster I would like another point guard in the building

I need another point guard in the building interesting who's their current back of point guard right now my mind we don't it was Terrence a man but we let him go Terrence man was running back I guess Dyson a little bit so yeah Dyson but you don't really want to you don't really want to rely on that as well so preferably like on the raw on in the free market free agency I would like another point guard Dennis Schrooter no Trey Jones? No.

Chris Paul. Maybe. DeAngelo Russell? No. Hell no. I need someone who's good at defense. Malcolm Brogden. Malcolm Brogden.

Yeah, sure. I mean, you don't got so much cast face. I don't know how. We have a... How fake you can be. We have a 25 million trade exceptions. Okay, so trade is different. Yeah.

So Nikila Alexander Walker is very much in play for us. Some like that. We can nap him away from you. Can you sign and trade into a trade exception? I don't know if we can sign and trade. Because that's what it would take for Niklerzander Walker. I believe. I'm assuming it is because I've seen him in a bunch of reports.

Okay. So that that has to be a pathway. Okay. So that's a biggest problem is using that trade exception. Trade exception's expired if you don't use them. Yeah. So there's their biggest problem. They have to use that trade exception before they lose it.

There we go. We buried the lead. That's number one. Yeah. That is, I mean, outside of health, that is the number one issue for us. And that could easily be addressed to that trade exception. Next story. I mean, next team, oops.

I have the Milwaukee Bucks. Is your last team? Save them for last. Nice. This is the last thing of the whole thing? Yeah, I have no, I have one more. I want the books to be last. I'll go.

No, you go first. Yeah. Easy, easy, face. Who is next? Who is their team? The New York Knicks. Oh, okay. I would like for us to get some more wing depth and more wing shooting depth, specifically.

Whoever is going to coach us next year, they are not going to play OJ and Nobie and Mikhail Bridges 45 minutes a night. So we are going to have to have somebody who can come in and, actually shoot the ball because you saw in the conference finals when the bench was actually utilized having Landsham it in for a couple extra minutes and like that's actually pretty solid especially when that person can shoot having Delon right in there who's obviously more of a guard than a wing but still having guys who can take a little bit of the load off of Mikhail and off of OJ and Nobie who we saw from Mikhail last year not an amazing three-point

shooter OG can get hot but not a consistent shooter and then Josh Hart who's also out there when he's there and you're playing Mitch Mitch, Mitch Robinson and Kat, now teams are really able to scheme against you because you have so many non-shooters. If you can find a lineup and find a player to where you can play that double big and still have shooting and spacing for a hypothetical Jalen Brunson, Carthethe Towns, you know, offensive pick and roll, that would be fantastic. Yeah, so that would be nice. But the biggest problem they have is they don't have a coach.

That's the biggest problem Who's gonna coach's theme? Well, I don't consider that a problem. I just think it's like... Opportunity. That's an opportunity. It's a problem. That's a scene night that you're talking.

That's a test to overcome. It's an opportunity for improvement. You walk into Gotham City. They're going to take over the Knicks. You can do that. But whatever coach comes in, they're going to have to figure out a way to utilize these players.

And then they're quickly going to realize, damn, everyone is playing some really good defense because we got those shooters out here on the wing and like are you confident in the starting five do you want to change anything up or do you want to run it back with the open east um feel you should run it back yeah i'll run it back i run it back and i'll run it back and that's starting five we'll see what happens um obviously throughout the season but i do think that as since mitch is healthy they can start we got to we might have a different finishing lineup or just we can we can work on the on the finishing lineups based on whatever matchup because

I do think like Mitch Robinson is going to play I also don't want to overtax them I'm very very excited for hook porty to play next year and to have two of these bigs that can play alongside cat so I think that's going to be fine I think in terms of backup point guards I think Tyler Colick can I think he can provide a little bit something alongside deuce as a backup guard to Brunson. The one rookie from last year, Daddy, A, he's cool. And I'm optimistic, but it's also very, very optimistic as I'm talking to think that these three rookies from last year are now going to step in into year two

after having no time to develop last year and just be game changers. So it's probably not going to happen. So that's why I'm saying we should probably go out and get somebody who can shoot and play 25 minutes a night for us, that would be very nice. Okay. Last team on this list. I have the Milwaukee Bucks.

I want to do the Milwaukee Bucks last for a reason. That's what man, man, man. What is the biggest problem? How do we explain the biggest problem for this team? What would you guys say? I mean, it's hard to say. No, it's not. The hardest problem is they have no good players.

Yeah. Rhetorical question. It's not hard to say. They do not have good players. from the roster, besides Janice Sincuco and besides Damien Lillard, who is out of commission for the season, the biggest problem is Janus doesn't want to leave. That presents an issue because if you want to keep him for this year, or if he wants to stay for this year, it's under the assumption he's trusting you to field a team that can give him a chance

and that the chance that you can give him, if it's your chance measured up against a chance over here across the country, and it's comparable, he's going to take yours because he wants to stay home. He wants to be a legend. He wants to live Milwaukee where he's comfortable. fine, two east their own, right? How do you get there? The problem is, how do we appease Janus and show him what he needs to see to not want to request a trade in the summer?

I don't know. They are so far away. They can trade two first-on-picks this summer. That's about it. You already trade for Kyle Kuzma. Maybe you want to compound that salary. Brooke Lopez is old. Pre-agent, you could let him walk.

They're not going to be a cash-faced team. They have Dame Supermax and Janus is supermax, so they're not going to be to sign anybody of no, for real. They only have two first-on picks to trade. 231 if I'm the books Am I excited about the notion of trading the 231 first round pick

if I know Janice doesn't have a lot of reason to stay for a minute much longer and at that point he'll be 35 years old I don't feel great about that I don't feel great about just running it back

Kevin Porter Jr., Kyle Kuzma Bobby Portis as a supporting cast I don't know how they get to a point where they can filled enough good players to make a serious attempt to win this conference There's two avenues in my mind one is there a way

is there a way that Jalen Green can get there I think he might be I think he might be the best option those are the time of players we're talking about it's the best idea I guess yeah I think that's that's kind of the lane that you have to go into and so try

yeah trying to figure out how to get a Jalen Green there is one two you messed up a couple years ago and you let some people go And I think that, I think that like coming back into this offseason, signing the nastis, Kostas, Alex, all of his brothers back onto this team to make him want to stay. Those are the two things that you have.

You either have his brothers or Jalen Green, but you're not really doing anything else. So do you want to trade Kuzma and Pat Conantin for Jalen Green? Yes. I would do that 100%. You need to get off a college team immediately. I'm instantly over the coup. Once you give me the cardio stat line, I don't know. think I'm done.

So if you do that and you bring back all your minimum guys, you bring back Toyin Prince, Gary Tran, Jericho, Sam. So they all want to come back for the minimum, right? And Kevin Porter, Jr. opt-in for the minimum, which I don't know if he's going to do that. But then again, I doubt he's a big market. You're going to start next year with Kevin Porter Jr. Yeah, kick rocks.

Kevin Porter Jr., Jalen Green. Oh my God. Who's the three now? Toyian Prince, Yannis. If he resigns. And let's say you bring back Brooke Lopez. What's bird rights? Derry Bird.

And Derry Bird, and Derry Bird off the bench. And off the bench, you'd have Gary Tren Jr., Gary Bird, Bobby Portis, Andre Jackson. That's a fucking horrible team. They're going to be horrible regardless. Yeah, we know this team is, but like you said, you have a supermax with the torn Achilles. Yeah. It hamperes everything that you want to do and everything and just the entire way that you can build everything. When you have $55, $60 million on the, on the treatment.

Do you think the Sons would take Damien Lillard in a trade like that? Like, I think it would be kind of dumb for them to take Damien alert. Like, every year's precious. I think it would be very stupid. It would be very stupid. Actually, I don't know why I ask that. That doesn't make sense at all.

He makes $54 million. It's a lot more than Jay than Green. I was thinking of those closer top of my head. That's a dump trade. It doesn't make sense. So yeah, I guess what I'm saying is their biggest problem is there's no feasible way for them to become a team that we can say you're going to get a first round by. You're going to be a top four seat for sure.

That's not happening. I feel safe to say there's zero percent chance their team feels like that on paper. Now, they could get a top four seat. If you want to tell me, teams get hurt, they finish fourth. You don't got to come back here with that receipt. That could happen. But on paper, where we feel confident that that's the outcome that you can feel good about, zero percent chance.

And you have to do that or you're going to lose Janus. The way next year is top four pick is out the question. That's not happening. No, it's a top four seed. Top four seed is out the question. Yeah, yeah, okay. They're going to have to... Top four pick is not the question.

They belong to me, man. Oh, true. Everybody is right. Top four picks out the question. it's unprotect oh my goodness that's what i'm saying bro so oh they're so stupid god i hate this team it's so bad for yonnes so they can um they would have to go and like their best chances being like the five seed and hoping they play like orlando and like orlando's offense still isn't fully figured out and you just have yonnas

doing the same thing they did last year where he scores 40 every game it would have to be a situation like that where you can say we have a chance to get to the second round. Outside of that, I don't think that there's any possible play. So what I'm hearing is the only reason Yannis Deh is because he wants to win MVP. He wants his 2017 Russ MVP where he carries nonsense to the playoffs.

Or just legacy, too. I mean, that's the biggest conversation for him, I guess. Like, he made his big hurrah on Instagram and he let everyone know basically without saying it like, I'm here to stay. I'm here to write or die. It's easy to say that now. Up until you're in game 23 of the year and then you got Kyle Kuzma

going on another rough stretch averaging like seven points on 35% shooting from the field easy to say so the only pathway is like literally getting rid of yannis so what we're saying that's smartest thing to do what we're saying is we have a problem for you your team doesn't have good players but we don't have a solution for you listen let somebody's dad run up on the court next year yonness is going to be so mad he might say oh no the the pence of frustration that he'll have by then different no somebody might get uppercut yeah well that's every team And now You know what time it is

We're on the TikTok time Rejoice Let's have some fun That's much more fun than talking about the books Welcome To TikTok time The first TikTok time Of the 2025 off season

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and naturally, we're shooting this day after the draft. This is going to be a very draft-focused TikTok time, lots of recap segments. Today we're going to do

a build a player draft with only players from the 2025 NBA draft class. Let's go. Last season we did a, let's build a line-up draft for the 2024 Rookies Day after.

They were building a player. Body shooting, finishing, defense passing. That's the categories. You guys know how this works. Donovan first pick, me second pick, Moe third pick.

Let's see who can build the best star. All right, let's do it. I'm screwed again. Honestly, we should do it both the player draft every time we get rookie. because they're all about like their

specific one skill so yeah this is actually quite interesting yeah donovan where we're going with the first pick shout out to TikTok edits and recently watched interviews VJ Edgecom is not my favorite play out of his drive I'm taking BJ Edgecombe finishing

okay watch the video where he's like I hate when one other players score I get it it's cool for as well I flyer I've watched I've watched mad TikTok edits and I'm convinced like this that's all NBA talent right there like okay I like it give me Cooper flags defense I thought that's gonna be day one his best strength give me the shot block and give me the mobility okay I like that I like that I like that I like that I like that I like that I had to decide

between his finishing race defense was quite hard but I just a lot of probably dunkers in this draft class okay so there's a lot of ways where I can go when it comes to when it comes to this so for shooting I like the off the dribble shooting of Walter clean Jr. Damn it I was gonna do that with Cooper Yeah. Fuck. One of the best, probably arguably, he might end up being the best shooter from this draft class. Yeah.

And then, when it comes to a body, someone who's just like prototypical, you know, that athletic is insane. Give me Ace Bailey. Ace Bailey. Okay. Yeah. Super athletic and long. Okay. I feel there's a lot of tall guys that you can do similar things with the first.

But not tall guys would bounce like him, though. Yeah, okay. Fair enough. Give me Ooh, this is tough Give me Maliwash's body Make me huge

You want him big It's cool Yeah give me that I love him large All right That's fine I am going to take This man's strength

Because he represents A big group of people Give a con canipal shooting Okay A big group of people he's putting off for a community all right yes

so I yeah so I'm gonna take I'm gonna take cons shooting give me see this is this is very very tough yeah you're in a tough spot now give me

kasparis yaku chunis is passing oh okay I was trying to figure out which pass from I want to go with yeah okay it gets you KJ's passing uh well I'm glad I didn't have to pick shooting

because you guys went there first I'll pick the worst one actually no I'll do that after oh I'm this tall this is an interesting pick here oh okay no I'll just do this for now give me Trey Johnson shooting

okay that's nice I was gonna get him or Colin I didn't give a fuck which I was just I was just having those two yeah didn't matter me at all okay I was gonna wait to pick him but I was scared you were gonna pick Trey for something else I don't think you would have but I didn't want to risk it

okay you made a good decision were you gonna pick Jay no okay so for passing give me someone who's a very underwry passer and playmaker actually not give me Igor denham let me keep a simple damn give me his passing I was gonna do that special damn damn for that size okay doubling up we're going with now and then when it comes to finishing give me someone was a great touch soft hands

dare queen dude you just took both the picks I plan to take now oh you just ruined my plan Dude, you just destroyed I was, I sat there and I thought for a little bit when I picked Jay Johnson because I was like, do I want to pick Derek Queen now? Is he going to follow me? Damn. Okay, you know what?

I don't need to do this in terms of strategy because you guys already have passing, but I don't want to get fucked over again. Give me Hansen Yang's passing. Oh, he watched them, drive-combin clips. He dimes shit up. Yeah.

It's beautiful. Yep, okay. I'm building Yokic. The modern big. I'm building the modern big. With defense, damn. Yeah. And I can shoot.

They listen, they call Tray Johnson, the modern Reggie Miller. And I can pass with them, like baby Yow Ming. I'm there. Where am I going to go here? See, this is very tough. You know what? Give me, give me for defense. As you know, we'll go to this.

For defense, give me Thomas Sorber's defense. Oh, my God. I just got fucked again. That's the only big left. Yeah, give me Tom and Sober's defense. And then for body, give me Joan Baranget. Which one is that? The new, the successor to Rudy Gobert.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay, I don't know, looking on it. I was like, looking on there, I was like, I forgot who that is. Okay. The other crazy athletic French big. Oh, yeah. Okay, I need a good finisher and there's like no bigs left on this list. So I'm going to pick the guy.

The Clippers picked a 30 who I've never heard of because he's really tall. Give me Yonik for finishing. I bet he can catch loaves. Okay. You are right about that. I bet he can catch a lot. Dang. All right.

So for defense to round this out, someone who could play defense, interior, step into the perimeter as well. Give me call him Murray Boyles. Okay. Easy pick. Easy pick for me. The best defender. Arguably the best defender in this, huh? Said no Dylan Harper out?

Oh. No attributes? I mean, oh, I could have picked him for passing, too. Oh, he sold. Yeah, I could have picked him for passing. Ooh, yeah. I could have picked him for passing. I was thinking about his finishing, but I made a big man.

So I was like, I don't want his finishing on their big. Yeah. Damn, they're going to ratio us on TikTok. Damn. Damn. Engagements. I built the big men, so I'm out of this. I'm out of big, too.

Yeah. I guess it's on me, but hey, man, can't be wrong. I argue I have the best player. A's Bailey. Oh, you picked Derek Queen finishing? Yeah. a wing, that was, yeah, you should have picked, you should pick Dylan Harper finishing. Sure, it's fine, but yeah, it's great. But if you had to pick Dylan Harper finishing, you would have won

the comments. Nah. No, they for sure would have said. They love Derek Coino, too. Dude, it's Dylan Harper. You for sure a little won. Yeah, we still won regardless. We love Dylan Harper out of. We know, but the Debbie God. Not really. What's? You got the worst shooter here. I got the worst shooter here. I got the worst shooter here. You got the You got the, and I got Walter Clean, he got Concanope. You got the worst You think of a bad about my. You should feel bad. I'm just saying you have the worst shooter here out of the three. You don't got to feel bad about it.

You don't got the best finisher. You have the best defender. I would give you that. And I have the best passer. I got the best player here. Math is mathing. You don't have the best player here. Just because the traits that the twates that you have,

they're not, they don't fit into the race. I don't know that Ace Bailey's body is like a big advantage. Like it works for him because he has like other things. I mean, the idea of it when they told us he was 611, yeah. But like when you find out that he's 6'7. He's super, the athleticism is very underrated.

The amount of ground that he could cover to, underrated. Okay. Fair enough. There's our first build a player draft with 2025 draft class. You guys let us know who won. That one feels debatable. Yeah, super debatable. Yeah, that one's hard.

Next up, let's do the quote game you've prepared for us. Okay. Let's do it. So over the last few years in NBA history, so many players have said so much funny shit, bro. Retired, some of them playing the league today. I have a slew of quotes, and I want you guys to guess which NBA player, past or present, said this quote. The sentence in the past few years, something people have said funny shit is hilarious. Like, man, it's been a funny year for jokes.

It's been a funny goddamn 25 years, right now. To the moon. Okay. So first quote up, I'm not a role model. Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids. Okay. I feel like when I hear I'm not a role model, I famously think of Charles Barkley. Does somebody else say this or is it Charles Barclay?

Damn it. This is one of the most famous quotes that defined Charles Barkley. He said, don't even think I'm a good guy. I'm not even going to lie to you. He had to pick one of the more crazier NBA players who said some crazy shit. And that was good. You're cooking so far. Yeah, we talked about Charles Barkley with Donovan's dad was on the show. And the first thing he said was, listen, he said he's not a role model. Exactly. That's a good one.

This is a funny quote. I feel like this is going to stick with him forever. This is just his legacy. Yeah. You know, it's a legacy of, he had a commercial. line saying I'm not a role model. Yeah. But you were still like, no, I'm buying those shoes.

Do you know how, like, beloved do you have to be to tell people you're not a good guy and they still buy your shoes? You know how much you got to dunk a basketball to people to not care that you're saying, I'm not good? Like, that's crazy. Next up. People still want him to raise their kids. I don't know about that one.

I don't know about that one. I'm watching the history. Wait, people do. No, mind. I'm watching the history channel in the club. And I'm just wondering. How do these people know what's going on on the sun? Ain't nobody ever been.

Oh, this is a tweet. I forgot who said this. I remember this tweet, but I can't remember this. History channel in the club? Big brain thinker. It's not Kevin Durant, is it? Damn it. It's Kevin Durant.

Let's go. Whoa, man. You're on a burner right now. One notable. Famous Twitter. Kevin Durant be on Twitter. And secondly, he's talked about being in the club and thinking about anything but the people in the club. Exactly.

There's literally footage of him in the club just breaking his fore. It's hilarious. He's outside and he's thinking about inside every time. This man is a thinker. This is hilarious. This is crazy. This is when the air, he tweeted that. Yeah.

This is let that, it's basking that for a second. Take that in. Woman of Silence for Kevin Durant. Quick flip for the snap. On to the next quote. If you see me with a, if you see me in a fight with a bear,

pray for the bear. An NBA player said? Or who's, that's a quote from, who said, it wasn't a rapper. Who said that? It's some rapper.

Jane the bear You are the bear If you see me in a fight with a grizzly bear Help the bear Yeah What NBA player said that too Yes My mind goes to Zach Randolph

I don't know I'm going either Dylan Brooks Dylan Brooks or Jamon green No you're closer to Zach Randall Lance Stevenson No Not Lance

No it's a guard though It's a guard Retired Retired guard who said this If you see me to fight With the grizzly bear Pray for the bear Tony Allen

I said that just now Oh nope This could be anybody This is just a This is a Hall of Famer It's a Hall of Famer It's a Hall of Famer. I would Gary Payton.

Nope. Damn. Michael Jordan. Close. Close to Michael Jordan. Yeah. It's not Gary Payton. It's a guard that's close.

So it's a 90s guard. It's a Hall of Famer. Just says a whole lot of cool shit, bro. It's an aura farmer. It's an aura farmer. Probably one of the OG or farmers. A 90s guard. And not intentionally either, too.

It's just there. He's a 90s guard that just says cool shit. Just walks and breathe. Yeah. He's just dope. Do we say Alan Iverson? Yeah. Not him.

Close to Michael Jordan. Bobby Bryant. This is Kobe Bryant. This is Kobe coded. What do you say this? I think it was in the early 2000s. I don't remember this. That does not feel like it's up his alley, but who might I disagree? Kobe Bryant. I'm tired of getting a taste of him. Stop it. Stop it. You're not even going to get the whole load of this. This is Paul Pierce. You got it so excited. Okay. This is like Paul Pierce. There's nothing more synonymous with Paul Pierce than wanting low. Like that is this is his legacy from now on I didn't even want to write this down But I had to Like this is the first thing I think about when I think of Paul Pierce I think about that load And he never got it, that's the bad part

Like he knew what exactly he was doing When he was riding the suit He didn't go to the grave wanting that load Just half loads Just half loads His whole career He only gets small loads And that's a problem

That's a problem That's the issue man What's the recipe Ew, man. What an all-time quote? I don't even remember the context. Were you talking about a team that's like disappointing or something?

He was talking about a player who's growing and like in this game. But I forgot who he was talking about. I feel like, was it like Tatum or something? No, I don't think he was talking about a player. No, whatever.

Regardless, he said it and it went platinum. It did. I still remember. Next quote. Y'all know how we have dogs and stuff right? So I think it was bigger people in the world

before us and the dinosaurs was they pets. Tyler Hero. No, but same, not the same level pair. He's worse than Tyler here and he's playing today. Calcoosma? No, he's Licekin, no. Lyskin, like, light, skin, or like, we make fun of him and call him light skin? He's actually Lyskin.

Okay. Yeah. Okay, so this is somebody that just, he has a platform. He just been thinking through things. Oh, Michael Porter Jr.? No. That is a great guest, though. That is a good thing.

Michael, hey, man. He will say something like this. I remember this quote on the back of my head, I have a remembrance of this. He said, yeah, that's tough. So it's in the lobby.

Stupid. Imagine you see someone in the lobby and you got to go to stay. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, that's tough. That's tough.

I wouldn't like that. If you know the reference, good for you. Oh, bad. I will say he played in the, right now he plays in the Western Conference. Played in the West for the majority of his career.

He's, lights can he's not good Jordan pool no you're getting oh that's east closer though Jordan Clarkson damn you got it there we go Jordan Clarkson level brain there we go I haven't heard Jordan Clarkson talk before I'm glad this is my intro to his thoughts yeah exactly hopefully this is the last time because what if the dinosaur was they pets what if someone needs to talk about it man he was fry saying these are combos we got to have nobody wants talk about that though next up me shooting 40% at the file line is just God's way of saying nobody's perfect.

You know what this is? It has to be Shaq. It's not Shaq, but you're close. It's another guy who can do everything well. And if you gave him a shot, he would be so good that you probably couldn't trust him to be a good person. This is Yonazza Ncumbo. You're wrong. It is Shaq. Oh. But Yons did say something super similar to us. He said the same thing. Oh, no, he did. He said it from three. He was like, yeah. Yeah, he said about from three. Yeah, he said, I'm handsome, got a family, great teammates, blah, blah, blah. God had to humble me. That's what Yon said.

He said, God, to humble me. Yeah. Look at that old shack and new shack on the same wavelength. Exactly. They both know what's up. Yep. 40% out of the foul line is egregious. You're right.

Why did I say? Why don't I say? Yeah, the honest is not that. That's ridiculous. My brain definitely just, like, saw the quote and immediately filled it in with three point. I didn't even let you finish. I was already thinking. 54 from Trayball is OD.

He's shooting hang pulls? My goat. It's the newly minted NBA champion. My goat. White boy of the year. Chet Holmgren Minnesota Spine Look at that picture

Look at him What makes them talk like that Why does he talk like that? Well, you see when he looks in the mirror What do you think you sees? He sees somebody He sees Victor Womeniama That's what you see you look at here

Victor doesn't even talk like this If Victor Womeniama talks like this I would be more concerned Because I was like, you're from over there You don't even know what this means You don't have this speech pattern over there Never mind. He looks in the area.

She's Anthony Davis. My man. They are not talking about OD hangpools over croissants. They're not what they do. They're not talking about 54 from trade balls O.D. shooting hangpoles anywhere.

Nobody's ever said this sentence besides that. Especially in Minnesota, right. It's never been said before. The way he's arranging syllables is breathtaking. Can you think that I'm fucking talking,

standing on business? Those are saying wise, bro. I'm talking and staying on business. It reminds me of him. Exactly. And if the rumors is true, he left your mom's in the hood. Smoke them

You smoke that you And if it's not true Shorty's just talking shit Her and chat would have a great night Oh man This is so nasty Shorty's just talking shit

We've gotten so much run out of that clip We've referenced it like four or five times It's one of my favorite Rumors is true the word dog comes up a lot well I was a wolf I used to eat dogs this sounds like Michael Beasley that does sound like Michael Beasley's not Michael Beasley but you're very far off no this is somebody that has a reputation for being a dog and he knows it yeah somebody poppy working in media Len Stevenson he doesn't work in media met a world peace no he's one of the

greatest of all time though my greatest of all times is the shakkins no not Shaq Shaq would say this shit yeah someone he said he doesn't work

in media I'm not thinking through things right now and you think the most media

one of the one of the greatest of all time when you say that it's like like top 20 player of all time

I would spread he's top 30 for sure top 30 easy without I don't have to think about it I used to eat

dogs yep Akeem Elijah now he's old he's old you're getting close

he's old he's old he's old I used to eat dogs okay so who was there from like the 70s and 80s that's known for this type of doggy dog

Julius Irvin Nope not Julius Irving Jerry West Jerry West was a cold motherfucker man rest his soul oh my god he was a guy

you know what you are white boy yeah used to eat dogs tough I wasn't even considering white players this is tough

yep exactly coldest of all time you are right white boy my bad respect respect respect

I've never lost a game. I just ran out of time. I know a sore loser when I see it. There's Michael Jordan. Damn, it is. I thought he's going to say Paul George. It is Michael Jordan. I didn't even see this one. That's funny.

Yeah, he's literally insane. He's a lunatic. But lunatic in the best way. Yeah. Sometimes. By bad. That's actually not sore loser. I know a gambler.

I see it. No, I guarantee you when he loses and gambling, he is, sore loser. This man is not built for losing. We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees. This is everybody on Twitter. Nobody, nobody understands the difference between 180 and 360. I can't remember who said this. It was recent. I remember this being said

that. I remember who said it. I will say he is a coach now. Is a coach now? Jason Kidd? Damn, it was Jason kid. There we go. He must have said this. during his Brooklyn Nets days. And that makes sense because it was straight up a disaster.

It wasn't a great time. Well, there was a couple years, but... Yeah. I can be bought. If they paid me enough, I'd work for the Klan. Charles Barclay. It was Charles Barclay. I can only imagine one player

that would say this, given his reputation amongst people that... This fits. I'm not surprised. At the time of the show, he let everyone know, yo, I am not a role model. I see why exactly. You work for the clan is crazy.

Only Charles Barkley would reference the clan for no reason. This makes sense. He can be bought. I would assume Shack, too. Because, you know, like, he went to Auburn. And so one time he said, if Alabama and Afghanistan were playing in a game, I'd root for a zero-zero-zero time. That's hilarious.

We got it in a whole video just on Charles Barkley Coates alone, right? We got to do that in the future. Yeah. Let's talk about this draft class That just happened Okay Let's pick Let's grade

The top 14 picks from this draft class Okay All right One through 14 Let's give a grade You know We did our reaction stream live So you guys

At our thoughts In the moment But you know In that moment We're just thinking What's happening Right in front of us We don't have time

To sit back and digest it Now we've had a night To sleep on it Think about what we feel About all these picks Let's grade them Okay Number one overall

To Dallas Mavericks What is it great for that A plus plus plus plus Plus plus on top of that plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus I can get even more plus I can say a few more Sam plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus is there any other plus plus plus plus plus is there any other path that could have gone down if you could shoot out feel so like shoot really well off rib I'll feel so much better about the pick I still feel good of course because the best player available and you did need a point guard. You got Darren Fox and also Stefan Castle.

But, hey, I feel happy overall because you got the best player available. And you could see a world in which he fits perfect alongside Wembe, Stefan Castle, and at times, zero Fox. Yeah, the only way that I would have liked this, the only way that I would have liked them to use their pick better is if they traded it for Janus. Like that's the only thing. But if you are going to stay in this draft, still have the number two overall draft pick, take the best player available.

Yeah. obviously there's people say if they knew they were going to get on Harper or maybe they wouldn't trade it for Dearon Fox should have coulda would have that doesn't change the fact this to the right pick regardless either of itself a plus yeah I agree now we get the parts of there's an actual debate VJ Edgecombe number three no debate you know take the guy Ace Bailey VJ Combe he has varied he's like when it comes to thinking about NBA players in this draft class who have redeeming qualities and traits he's a really good shooter already and on top of that too he's a he's a good defender bear minimum

minimum, you have a guy who is usable, even at his worst. Yeah, I'll give an A. There was a debate. Some people could say they could have picked Ace Bailey. Ace Bailey has enough volatility that if he's telling you, I don't want to be there, I'll pick the safe guy that is going to be a guy that I can bet on his floor, bet on his ceiling. Obviously, the personality side. Everybody loves Vijay Edgecombe, view him as one of the hardest workers, best personalities

that you want to bet on as part of your core. I don't see any reason to fill any type of second guessing here. Yeah, you already have enough going on with Paul George's injury, Joel and B's injury. You don't need to add in. A disgruntled rookie? No, it's okay. Paul Nords on a podcast saying he's doing too much. I don't want to bring that in now.

Yeah, you can go somewhere else. Yeah, it's fine. Number four, Charlotte Hornets picking Connipple. This is a classic pick. You need adults in the building. Someone who will show up to work on time, someone who will not do too much on the basketball court or off of the basketball court as well.

Someone who's just going to follow all the rules, do regular things, show up on time, shoot your threes, play defense, and go home. Simple. Yeah, listen, they've been dying to find a shooter. They tried to get Dalton Connect. They tried to get him again whenever he got, uh, they tried to get him again when then Mark Williams trade happened.

They said, we are going to find ourselves a white shooter that can be competent by hell or high water. And they got them. I'll give this a solid B plus. Really? I'll go like a minus. Sure, A minus, whatever. Yeah.

Yeah, just because the floor of Khan is so high. Mm-hmm. I agree. Yeah. And no, yeah, I'll go A-minus because they need just baseline regular abilities to play and have structures where we can tell is the mellow ball. good or nine three and d guys all you need yeah especially considering the pick that they selected last year who was the complete opposite yeah they this is the a plus for me again

a plus number five we got ace bailey to the jazz he told the jazz don't pick me i'm not going to work out for you danny a age said don't give a fuck come on over come play a lot of marketing in what do we grade that a plus for audacity yeah for danny a age is like you're a child like i'm the adult in the room you are going to play for me and it's It's just going to be like that. Yeah. So this is not for agency. Understand that.

You're going to do what you told. And hey, I like it. Overall, I'm talking about that too when it comes to like roster-wise. That was crazy. Who was it?

You're going to do what you told us in a funny escalation? I thought you were going to put boy at the end of it. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah,

but yeah, even on the roster wise too fits perfectly as well because they have no wings outside of, I guess, Cody Williams, who you don't want to put

much trust their faith in as well, looking a little bit scary. So having Ace Billion there being one of the faces they rebuilt, great choice. Yeah, I think lots of variance around Ace Bailey. If you get the good version, the bad version in terms of the floor or the ceiling, lots of factors will determine whether or not he hits that ceiling. I love him going to a coach like Will Hardy that is going to give him so much floor type of buckets, so much back cuts, so many easy opportunities to get fed the ball in his motion-based offense.

If he buys into the role, I think this is such a good way to let him progress naturally and not just throw him on the team with no infrastructure and say go get buckets, this is good for him. Yeah, I agree. Straight A plus and so far, the top of this draft was not really any fumbles. And that continues. Number six, we got Trey Johnson going to the Wizards.

A plus again. Yeah, there was on, this is the top six picks here. I think we're like a tier. Oh, Kuba Flags is own tier and Dill Harper's Hobby's own tier. But three through six was all bunched up like this. And I think Trey Johnson's the last one of that tier. The Wizards got them. And, you know, they're going to pick somebody from that tier.

I like it. Yeah, the wizard. Yes, the Wizards. have a lot of like interesting young pieces. A lot of those young pieces can't go get buckets. Their offense was atrocious. And so to get somebody who is one of the better shooters in this draft can get hot, can do all of that stuff with the ball in his hands a little bit too.

I like this pick a lot. Yeah. They get pure best player available. And there's a golf to me between Trey Johnson and the rest of the guys. So honestly, they're in the best spot because they're like, these guys are all nice. We'll pick whatever one's left. Yeah. I agree.

Number seven, navigate. I think we leave the A plus territory. Jeremy Fears to the Pelicans I'm going to go ahead and give this a B because I think he has solid potential but for the Pelican case they just traded for Jordan Pool

and he is similar archetyped to Jeremiah Fears obviously much better he is the finalized version of Jeremiah Fears doesn't really make much sense on their end they can't really play together to two because or else your defense is going to get ran I like Jeremiah fears but this is not a great fit so I'll understand my tip great to see

yeah if you say that Jordan Pool is the finalized version of the guy that you're taking seventh overall, I think I have to go like C plus. Yeah, yeah, he's definitely a fit-dependent type of guy. And it's not a horrible fit. Like, they could see using another point guard. He can be their six-man for now. We'll see what happens with DeJont-T Murray long-term.

It's not the worst spot, but it's not the best one. We can't go A territory. I'll go B-minus. Yeah, I agree. Both of them players, like Jordan Poole and Jeremiah Fears, at their best, looks the exact same. And also, at their worst, look the exact same. Yeah, but I don't think you can,

You know, when you're turning a pick, I don't think you can rely too much on the fit with the specific team this year, especially when that fit is with a guy like Jordan Poole who might not be there in three years. You know, it's not like it's a forever piece. So I won't let that ding it. So, yeah, I'll go be minus.

I won't go too harsh. I think they could have, yeah, I could say, because look at who's behind it. The guys around this, I have a less of a ceiling, and this team has so many moving parts right now that I'm not mad if I think going for a ceiling play. Hopefully that can be a point guard.

That's one of the best handles in the draft that can one day fit with your star big man. that's fine opposed to like picking like a safe three and d guy yeah okay number eight we got igor or yigore how do you say yager yeah i go i'll say it right eventually we got yagore denman going to the brooklyn that's the number eight i'll give this uh b because you're out of your mind you need to take a swing at this at this rate not at you have not a eight when you have four more though if you want to trade back a little bit nobody else is going to take him in the top 15 or nobody else can take him around 12 i'll say that you could trade back a few spots

this is a D minus to me. D minus. It's not an F. It's not an F because it could work. But this is not a good value. Like this is what happened when T. John Solong last year where we said,

if you like him, that's your guy, all right, fine. Trade back a little bit. You know he's still going to be there. And maybe he's not as bad as that. It could work out still. Just like it could have worked out then.

That's what we said that night. It's not a good process. I have to go D as well. I think all other other picks are not a good process. But Igor is genuinely one of the better guards, the best passing guard arguably

in this draft class two off rip day one. I like it. It's a good swing. I don't like the process for the rest of the draft, though. So let me give this a B.

Yeah, if we're great in the fact the draft had three more point guards. Oh, this is F. Then it would be a, if it was a whole draft class, it would be an F.

It's ridiculous. But I'll go D for this pick. Number nine, we got Colin Murray Boyles going to the Raptors. Another Messiah jiri guy, a big, versatile wing defender that doesn't have a lot of shooting touch,

but you're hoping it can develop. He has a nice touch in general. He shot okay from the free throw line. I feel good about him as a player, but the fit is really questionable because you got Scottie Barnes, you're trying to figure out who's going to be the center of the future. This guy's not answering none of these questions at all. Yeah, but I'm going to go B plus here just because you still were able to get a solid player.

And at this point, seeing exactly what Brooklyn did to pick before you, you're like, are we taking swings now? And then to go get somebody who actually, you know, can be a solid player day one, I do like that. I really wanted them to pick Common Maluash, so I'm a little sad about that, but you can't go wrong, picking strong, versatile 3-D defenders. That is never going to be a bad grade. You always need those no matter what team you're on. So I'll give it a B.

You're right. He could play on any court, any team, any time. Maybe he's not the most inspiring pick, but it's safe and it's going to probably provide value. So with that being said, number 10, we've got the Sun's taking Common Maluash. A plus. I love it. A plus. This is one of the best picks in this entire draft.

Their Big Man Room was disgusting. It was outrageous. It was disrespectful. to the game. It was nasty. It was atrocious. It was any other verbiage that you can think about. And in the span of two minutes, they added comment and they added Mark Williams. A plus. Listen, man. They, they, they were just running all over the Charlotte Hornets. Like, they, they had to go and get, dang, I forgot what I was going to say. That's crazy. That's crazy. You ran out of memory.

English. The Wi-Fi cut out. Yeah, but to go get too bigs whenever you're trying to to stay good around Devin Booker. You're not re-building. You're not taking it down. Devin Booker's in this day and you're going to try to usher in a new era around him. It's going to take a couple years where you're going to try to get him back to competitiveness.

You need big men and you need multiple because you have none right now. This is being part of the move to get you to being competent, A plus. In order to be a decent NBA team, there's no way around it. You need a good big man. There's no way around it at all.

And they solve that. I agree. A plus. Shout out. Next up at number 11. Oh, I dropped the dock. Nope. Memphis Grizzies.

selected Cedric Coward. Yes, number 11, Cedric Coward. They traded up for him. Gave up a future first round pick to move up. Not very many spots. But you just traded Desmond Bain, so you have some more picks. They use one of those picks from the Bain trade too. Exactly.

So it's not like you, it's not like you used everything in your arsenal to go out and trade up and get them. I really like it because you traded away Desmond Bain. You said, we still need some more offense. Let me go get some more offense tonight. I like it. I'm giving it a B minus. I love him as a player.

I love the fit. well. I like how they use some of those assets to get him to. If this is your guy and you're 100% sure about it, hey man, it's an A pick for me. I'll go B. I don't love the asset use of that using a whole first move of three spots. But again, it's too sad with your guy. You can't go wrong getting wings. Like we said, it's always going to be a safe floor. If you believe that's the guy that's going to be one of the good wings, not one of the guys that runs around does nothing. I'll go B. Yeah. Number 12, you got Noah at Sengue and Senge to the Bulls. It's the Bulls. So they can't get an A.

no matter what. They could have selected poop or flag at number one. I'm giving it a beat. It doesn't work. It don't matter. No, I will give this a nay, though. I think last year they got

modest was zealous. They got the highest ceiling wing that can do stuff with the ball on his hands, can do stuff defensively, has the mold of being that type of guy that you look up in a few years and say, whoa, he grew in his body,

he has all these intriguing skills. That's a high upside swing in this range. All that happened again. They picked the new version of that. Maybe not quite as much on ball abilities as modest, but all the defensive abilities,

all the athletic abilities, raw athleticism and size that's what you want in the teens The pick is smart I don't trust the bull to develop him But the pick is smart I give this a B I'll give it an A I'll go A too

I give the Bulls a compliment once Okay never again Probably not Number 13 we got Derek Queen Ooh This yep No hate is not about Derek Queen It's about the Pelicans

But man this stinks Yeah no I'll give the pick itself I like Derek Queen on the Pelicans I'll give that a B I'll give the trade up to get him giving up an unprotected first-on-pick for next year when you're in the West, you might be ass again.

I'll give that an F. It's ridiculous asset management. But at least I like the idea of Derek Queen with Zion. He's winning. Listen, hey, it's an A-plus pick to me, man, because obviously I am the beneficiary of this. Thank you for the future first-round pick.

One of the, I'm expecting it to be super value as well. I like the fit of Derek, Derek Queen over there in New Orleans. But as time goes on, you could possibly run into huge issues because of the defensive reasons. It's a B. It's a B because I like him as a prospect specifically. Yeah, there's an A plus ceiling.

If his defense is fine and the offense comes around and you have this four or five combination that can be athletic, if you're overwhelming to anybody you play, it might work out amazingly. Him as I might be crazy. But there's a big downside and you gave up peak value to give up that much draft assets. You better make sure this hits. You know what's going to work out amazingly and what's going to hit without question. We got number 14, Carter Bryant to the Spurs. A plus plus

The first crown eater ever To make it into the NBA This is why I'd be telling y'all Eat your fucking crayons, right? It's important Him as a player Three and D wing Didn't get a lot of opportunity

Arizona for whatever reason He's gonna shine over there He has plenty of opportunity Because there's not much competition In the wing room Over there in San Antonio A plus big The Spurs have a slew of athletic guards

They can attack the rim Maybe one of the future greatest bigs You've ever seen What they need in between that Three and D wings We can put it all together, be big, athletic, bolster that roster, make it all make sense together, make it mesh. Carter Bryant is the exact number one player I wanted to see that happen with. It's starting to not be fair.

It's starting to not be fair to be able to get Carter Bryant and Dylan Harper on the same night. But this specific pick, I'm giving it an A plus. Because you got all the guards you want, you have your big. What's in between? Carter Bryant now. I love it. Especially because what they had before, the wing group was so ass before. It was just so uninspired.

Like there was no ceiling there with the wings They were all just fine This is a real ceiling This guy can be a special player Thank God you saved us from Keldon Johnson Not to say Keldon Johnson Not to say Keldon Johnson is bad But we need to spice things up

But he needs saving from No The Spurs do He's not to say he's bad But he's bad Yeah Number 15 Last one we're gonna grade today

We're in the top half Thomas Sorber To the Oklahoma City Thunder The Rich Get Richer The Rich Get Richer You know that in two years Hardinstein Thank you for your service

because that number in his contract is going to be a little bit much. And so they have years to make sure that Sorber can develop in their system, do what they need him to do. And then they don't even have to pay him a lot. And they can just keep rolling and rolling and rolling with his newfound championship window, a minus. A plus. He's one of the best passing bigs. He is a fantastic defender. He has looked at as one of the best shot boxers as well.

He is OKC coded. He breeds O'KC, but someone even showed a clip of him just typing up one of his teammates at a Georgetown game. And people were like, oh my God, he's already preparing for the Shaglays. He's ready. A plus pick. And there we go. That is the grades for the top 15 picks in the NBA draft. Next thing we're going to do.

Let's put the last 20 finals MVP's into a tier list. Damn! The last 20, man. This is another part of our like post-finals, like legacy look back, you know? So I have the last 20 guys counting Shea, so it's 2006, 2025, the finals of VPs, I think we should gauge this based on one, how good they are at their peak, right? Two, let's use a few inputs. Their finals performance, but I think we should also use their general playoff run to kind of get a picture. So it's not just a seven game sample size.

Obviously indexed towards the finals, but I think we should look at how they got there, the total run, full package, put them on a tier list. And also, we committed to this last time we did tier list. We are finally going to make a rule where every single tier list we do, we have to put some. somebody in F. So we use every single tier S through F, have to make the full range, can't stack up ABC like we always do. We're breaking generational curses right now. So let's do chronologically. Let's start with 2006. First name we got Dway 2006. S tier. S tier. 34 points for game in the finals is ridiculous. 65% true shooting. He was living at the free throw line, demolished the Mavs in the most what today they'd call unethical. They would call him a total merchant. Dude, he was

taking 16 feet throw attempts a game in that specific series that's more than prime shack ridiculous they could they had nobody to stay in front of him one of the youngest champions he was this like your three dway this is yeah i almost feel inclined to give him bonus points for that for being so young like just because it's impressive you have you have to do it and he has he has to be esteer he's also lucky that the NBA has destroyed the tapes from oh six people would just be they they wouldn't be able to handle a 20 what a 24 25 year old in year three leading the leading the his team to the finals it's too much yeah this is the way he was doing it's too much this is kind of this is like a bench line that you compare like so many

young guard seasons to like can they be the dway can they win this early with team around them and the working contract he's a benchmark incredibly high benchmark too yeah all right next up we got tony parker 2007 listen 24 5 and 3 is nothing to scoff at um they the spurs are just so dominant in this series that there was never a chance that they were ever going to lose to the 07 caps shout out lebron they were going to they were going to sweep them every single time so i think like if you play out this series a hundred times tony park against finals MVP 30 times tim gets it 40 mind gets it like it's going to be a very even type of thing 24 5 and 5 is very nice though he was killing him from 2 this is one of his best mid range scoring seasons 58% true shooting is quite high

and for the whole playoff front 57% true shooting in that era That's probably like plus four relative to shooting. I'm feeling C. There's a lot of legends on here so he can't be A or B. But I think C is fair. I was inclined to put it in B, but generally looking, those numbers are not like generational

and they don't like pop out to the eye, of course. There's one number that stands out. What is that? Zero percent from three from three. I know he took one. I know he took one. Yeah, well. He missed it too.

Exactly. See, C feels fair just because of the strength of this whole group. Okay. But shout on him. 2008 we got paul pierce looks like another C to me I hate Paul Pierce man

this guy ruined my summer when I was a child you're rude for Kobe all I wanted was Kobe to get a ring and then he'd beat him by 39 in game six maybe it should be higher than 22 6th and 6th extremely efficient 61% true shooting

David it's a big three so he wasn't going to have huge scoring numbers so 22 is pretty respectable given the team context I'm feeling another C going to back to back game sevens in the first and second round is insane well me he went to he went to game seven with with lebron i don't remember that atlanta team who's in that alina team two thousand eight hawks i can't remember it's joe johnson not joe yeah joe johnson um was teak like a rookie or second year

no i don't know was he there i don't remember who was there at that point just barely yeah but barely he wasn't getting any burying no i think he was a 2009 draft actually yeah i don't i don't think he was there no whatever either way i think paul pierce is c tier i think we can put them comparable to tony t park's performance second option on a stack team with three stars wasn't overwhelming numbers but very efficient took advantage of their you know when you have three stars you want these guys to be efficient take advantage of that they did it that's like a baseline finals MVP 43 percent from three in the finals is very that does move me a lot to be at 43 percent 47 percent from the field he must been missing at the rim that must

have been a two point so it's not that great c tier regardless yeah nevertheless uh oh I accidentally put Kevin Garnett on the graphic on the tier list. Oh. I've bucked it up. So the cheer list shows Kevin Garnett. Just know that's supposed to be Paul Pierce. Damn, Paul, that's some viny your ass. Okay.

We're starting off with some up and down ones. Yeah, I like this order. 2009 Kobe Bryant, 32 points for game in the finals. 63% true shooting is crazy for someone in that era against that grade of a defense going against the Celtics. This is amazing performance. Yeah. Seven assists. I didn't realize it that high in the finals.

In 2009, to beat the magic the way that they did, and he was locked. I mean, they were locked in. Could you come back and you lose the way that you did? He said, I'm not losing again. Never again. This is damn near S tier for me. Should be S tier. I'm going to, listen, he had a 40-point game in the finals as well.

They won, they went in five games in a very dominant fashion. 32 and 7 for a guy that everyone says can't pass. Yeah. I'm shutting everybody up. I can win without Shaq and I can pass. Don't talk to me. Don't tell me anything. And 63% true shooting.

They say he can't pass and say he's not efficient. He did both of that in these finals. Shut up. If Kobe's weaknesses aren't on display at all, this is just like the fucking perfect player. We can go us to. Yeah, that's dominant. We'll sit there with Dwayne Wade. Next up, we got 2010 Kobe.

Slightly less dominant. Still the great series, though, 28, three assists, but still very efficient. Beat that Celtics team that he beat lost to before. Three assists. That says 3.9. That is 4 assists. Oh, four assists. There you go.

There you go. forces got revenge on the Celtics team which adds a little aura boost to it and to shoot as bad as he did in game seven and still shoot and still have a 60% true shooting percentage that is ridiculous he was hooping the first six games do you want to put it a tier just below the 2009 one where he was at like peak Kobe when he's passing his ass off a little more efficient does this feel like it's just a notch below that put it to me naturally the game seven having a bad offensive game seven does move it a little bit so i'll go eight here okay where is it on this tier Oh, there it is. Okay, yeah, so A tier, just to keep the, uh, the standard really high for S tier, I think that's fair. Even though it is, it's probably just as good. But, you know, just make sure, let's be very selective with S tier.

S tier is one of the all times series from the superstar. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 2011, we got Dirk. S tier. This is, when you think about all time, all time, just like Cinderella run, it's right here. The pathway, of course, you haven't talked about the pathway much so far. But this is probably the most difficult pathway that any, superstar had to go ahead and endure. Keep in mind, that is all true. That is all true in terms of the impressiveness of the ring as a team accomplishment. The individual performance is an estuary worthy, though. Like, you know, like, we compare it to the names we're looking at, like, just in terms of our raw output, carry job, efficiency, what you're doing for your team.

Like, it was a well-rounded team experience. So not to take away or anything, but... So you think him as an individual? Yeah, I think him as individual is close to the A tier. Like, he wasn't out here. It wasn't like Yokish finals stats, you know? Like, it wasn't insane. it's only 53% true shooting good 29 26 and 9 like it was a good dirt performance but i feel

like s is like you carry you single-handedly destroy the team in front of you yeah and this was very much a team accomplishment to dismantled the heat no man i got to go yes i don't i'm the true shooting in this way it doesn't matter to me i think that it's not just true shooting you know no but like hey you you penalize what's the name for zero percent from three zero percent three in the finals no that no i'll listen i'm looking it up right now yeah i just that i just it's 46 percent. Oh, that was a mistake? Yeah. Okay, there you go. It was a mistake. But he only took two threes a game. But I feel like, ain't there's no way. That was a mistake. Yeah. But again, I just feel like it was very much team accomplishment. And I'm not taking away from it. Like, the names they

beat are crazy. I don't feel like it was just like Dirk's on a crazy run. And I feel like S-tier should be. But he has, and obviously this is what happens whenever your finals MVP, but to have like, to have high-scoring games, to have a 30-point game, to have a game winner. And that game winner be being down by 20 on the road to close out mind you they won in they won in six so they won in miami so to he went on the road twice came back from 20 had a game winner had 30 points he was doing absolutely everything outplayed lebron dwayne wade and chris bosh in the single series this is s tier okay okay hold on wait wait wait wait wait wait okay just keep in mind hold on um I think the stats are slightly off for this

because it seems like he shot like 48% from the field actually And this is 50? Yeah, instead of 50. So it's it dings it a little bit. Okay, so what are you saying? It does feel like it feels like an 8 or slightly off, but it doesn't matter regardless of the fact like your memory is so keen but I don't want to say I don't want to say S tier now. His individual performance wasn't so Goddy was about the guys more so around

Dirk that really stepped the fuck up as well. And Dirk played well, I'm saying. A tier is still really high. I just feel like, again, trying to be more selective with S tier here. And I think we shouldn't let the impressiveness of the team accomplishment and the ORA with it push it higher than we're just gauging the individual. Yeah, right. Because he opened the series

shooting 7 for 18 and then he closed it off 9 for 27. Unloaded the clip. Of course you got to do what you got to do. Then he had a 6 for 19 game in there. Like he very much did struggle. So you're right. It was all the other guys. Okay. We'll go 8 tier. next up 2012 LeBron James securing his first championship being the Oklahoma City Thunder peak LeBron 68% true shooting 29 10 and 7 a block in a steel 47% field goal percentage okay he was living at the free throw line don't say that 68% is ridiculous that's probably

supposed to say 57 might be another typo 47 seems low but yet dominant LeBron as great as he's ever been peak defensively peak offensively this is us here. Yeah. He said, he said, Katie, yes,

you got one game. It'll never happen again. It'll never happen again. He had a game winner in this series as well. Wow. This is getting thrown up there. Yeah. Yeah.

Wait, which one? Did you have a game winner? He had a game winner in game four, I believe. All the cramps. Because remember, this was the era where LeBron was just cramping out of nowhere.

He couldn't handle the South Beach humidity. But the South Beach. You're getting to him. you come from Cleveland, you're right. He was out here cramping, but him, man, he was dominated. It's easy S-tier. Do we go 2013, LeBron? Do we also go S-tier?

Yes. Yeah, why not? Yeah, he's basically the same player. Okay, so we're 2013, but him both S-year. You know, LeBron, we always, everyone's always like every tier he literally should do LeBron's S-tier. Sorry. For a reason, right.

Yeah, it is what it is. 2014, Kaui Leonard, when you want it by, really, he wanted it because he emerged as like, oh, we're seeing him blossom into a star level player. Yeah, I'm gonna go D. It's mostly defense too. Yeah, I'm gonna go D here. The Spurs, this very much is team accomplishment. Yeah.

And so you could have picked anybody on that team and you're giving it because he gave LeBron a hard time. You look at LeBron's numbers and he's still averaging 30 on like over 50% from the field. It's tough. And this is famously the one that like there was no star. When we look at all the points you gave the team, everybody's below 15.

Yeah. He's definitely like a two accomplishment. Is it D tier right now or F? D. D. Do you want to put this F? No. We have to you,

do you don't remember our rule? Trust me. There's a F tier. There's someone worse than Andreigodala. I'm talking about Iggy. I thought you're talking about why. Oh, my bad. Spoiler.

Fucking God. Next up we got Andre Agadal in 2015. Okay, cool. Yeah, F2. F tier. F2. Somebody has been, this is robbery of the highest order.

My light skin go. Steph Curry should have two finals MVP's. They out, they cloned him for years. Yeah. Talked down on his legacy all because these nasty stupid reporters were like, oh my God, Andre Aguadala's finals MVP.

Steph Avers 265 and 5 and beat LeBron. Don't you ever in your mind get to twist it. He was good in that series. This was so bad for discourse. I hate the whole like holding what's not anymore because 2020 happened. I hated every single time I heard somebody hold the finals MVP thing

above Steph's head. I'm like, we don't talk about finals MVP's in any other context ever except for shitting on Steph Curry. Nobody's ever been like, so-and-so has this many finals MVPs. People only refer to rings. Not to say finals MVP isn't like an important award, like, you know, good for you. Like it is, like stack him up is impressive. But nobody's ever dinged for not getting it when they still played well. Besides Steph Curry. It was a nasty agenda. The numbers are just insane, right. And as you can see, Tim Duncan has a title where he didn't get finals MVP. Nobody ever brings it up. Never. Nobody ever will because nobody should.

They do it. That's a good point. Larry Byrd has a title where he was a final MVP, having the same to magic. They just hate my light skin, goat. Yeah. And Jason Tatum, I say the other one. No, no, no, no.

We use that. We use that. We use that. We use that. We need the agenda fits. Okay. Next up, we got 2016 LeBron James. Ah, you know the rule.

Goat status. S tier. S tier. Yeah. Greatest comeback in NBA Finals history. Yeah, yeah, yeah. School 41 in the game five. Yeah.

It's just like the most iconic finals performance of our lifetime. It's just like a defining part of NBA history that nobody ever forget. The best player in his best moment that defined his career that defined the modern NBA. The best. Some slight. Yeah. Best defensive play in finals history. All right.

Also won the best offensive piece in finals history. Oh, whatever. All right. This is music to my ears. Down through one on the road. It's fine. It's the coolest shit ever. All right.

2017, Kevin Durant. He averaged 35 points. 35, 8, and 5. Many of which on LeBron James head. Had a game winner over LeBron in the series. Yeah. Get game ceiling three right over him. I think he did twice in the series, actually.

Or is it back to back finals? Yeah. Yeah, back to year. Yeah, back to back. He scarred me for life as a young fan room for LeBron James. Just watching Kevin Rank shoot those threes over his head. When it happened the next year, I just felt like I was going to crumble into a ball. This is a as a young glazer.

This is a one of the more godly performances we watch. This is where I felt like as a, I don't know, 17 year like at this point in time, I guess. I think we go eight-ah-thous. I think that's all true, but I think because he's playing in the best scenario ever, I think some of the ones in S-tier are such carry jobs with worst environments that, well, like, this is gaudy,

this is amazing, I almost feel like we should apply some context and put it a tier. But the kids just don't, because they're carry jobs. But what about 2012? Do you want to go on a lower, I don't, okay, so yes, those teams were great, but I don't think the impact of playing next to Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch

was quite like playing next to Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, on green like you remember the defensive attention step curry draws how many times kevin grant was able to attack and single coverage you're absolutely right but i mean i'm just think if you're going to s year i think just look at us here i'm not for the first time in kevin der rant's career it was legitimately like is he better than than lebrot this is the only time that the conversation was actually a thing because of how great he played in in the finals i'm just saying ass year's being crowded i listen man legendary moments call for legend he's the

Cobra of always making S-tier crowded. What do you want to do? Me, person, I want to put S-tier. This is one of the greatest. There you go. Ha. All in one was two out of three. I don't know when's the next time we'll be able to see, like, this level of efficiency

up in the grid. What about 2018, KD? Not this, 18. It wasn't quite as many points for game, but seven assists, 65% true shooting swept the Cavs his turn. Seven assists, you know what that is? Steph Curry stat. This is all Steph Curry stat, to some extent.

Exactly. But you still want to go, Esther. Now, we'll go to AT here just because the conversation between him and Steph was much closer on this one than it was in 2017. Okay, that's a fair delineation.

All right, we can do that. Next up, 2019, Kauai Leonard. This is another one where the storyline, the impressiveness of the run is peak. Do we feel that way about the individual finals performance,

28 points, 9.8 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 64% true shooting? No, I don't think so. And they won in seven games because, you know, the injuries yeah wasn't the seven games oh no no they went in six oh they won six yeah yeah um clay got hurt in games honestly yeah i think i kind of want to put this in a tier like what he did he was supposed to do no one thought he was gonna when things transpired the way did it

no one thought that he was going to like have necessarily a tough time at all the pathway's incredibly tough as well obviously but no one really see this performance and it's like this is one of the greatest vault. I think it was the run as a whole. Yeah. I think I think we can go B because this series also had the emergence of Pascal Seahalham, the emergence of Fred Van B. B. All of those guys played really, really big parts. I'll go B for 2019. I'm okay with B too, honestly. It feels disrespectful because 2019 Kauai was so impressive. But we do have to start using these spots. And this is also the first time that Kyle Lowry came up like clutch in a playoff run. He was also hobbled towards the end of the playoff series. But you remember first round when

he played the magic, dude, that was, that's one of the best players ever seen before we got the leg injury that nagging throughout the rest of the playoffs. Yeah, he was a hit man. We can go, you know, I, I feel like my gut says A, but I'm not mad at B if y'all want to think that. I'll go, I'll go, I'll be. Was he as good as Dirk and Katie? No, I don't, I don't think he was as good as Katie in 2018. That's a great. I'm almost, I think Dirk should go down to B personally, but I know y'all are holding on to that. So we can go just with Kauai and B. See,

the issue was Dirk for me. Like, I can't, that can't happen in my mind. So if we're going to do that, then I have to move Dirk down. I have to.

Yeah, I feel like Kobe, 2010, Kobe and 2018, let's move Dirk down. Let's move Dirk down. Yeah, like,

and these are all finals of a piece. Not disrespectful. Like, there's always, this instinct to like, that legacy, that series was so amazing. They're all amazing.

That's the point. I don't feel like it's crazy to put that version of Dirk and being in. I mean, don't get it wrong. It is disrespectful, but To put him next to 2019, Kauai?

You're slandering him Beyond the moon Why do you hate Dirk? He's not slandering him. Why do you hate Dirk? Who slanders Dirk? You have to be a terrible person to slander Dirk.

Terrible person. There we are. I just feel like every time we talk about the team, I'm like, does nobody remember Tyson Channel was a D.P. O'I level player?

There's nobody remember Jason Terry was giving them 19 a game? Like, this team was better than people act like. Yeah. People act like he was carrying bullshit. The team was good.

That team was Fugazy, man. That team was good. They should not have one to two. We just say that because they blew it up the next summer and didn't give him a chance to repeat. But that was a good team. No, that seemed like. They were deep.

2020 LeBron James. Point guard LeBron year. 30, 11, and 8.5. 61% true shooting. Three wasn't falling, but they coasted through these playoffs. Washington, they went to seven with Denver. So respect Denver. But outside of that, this says seven for Houston, that wasn't true.

Yeah. Is there any, how, and I'm misremembering this right now, How close was the Was the voting gap between LeBron and AD in 2020? I don't remember the voting gap I don't think it was like a debate Even though it should have been, AD was amazing I think in the finals

LeBron had the not over him But for the whole playoffs a lot of times 80's leading scorer But in the finals Lebron went berserk The Mamie, he had nobody for him They had no wing defenders He cooked them So it was firmly, there was no narrative dispute

All right I think this I don't know I don't know He's not any worse than the other ones Like he's older and people like Because he's Lakers People like treat it like he's always

You know like in a different era of prime Yeah In the moment I did not feel like he was worse I think the defense was crazy this year too It was If LeBron's always S tier like these other ones I don't feel like this any different The level of competition is lower

If that matters to you Yeah and also He actually did He shot like 59% from the field Damre's 60% from the field He was unstoppable You know I always want to go I'm putting in an ass personally.

Dude, just lean into the glaze. Swimming in it. Leaning in it. I'm basking in it. S-tier is too big, but a bunch of them are of a LeBron. What are you going to do? Exactly.

Next up in a 2021, Janus. This is fuck, man. I have to go. I know it's getting crowded. We have to go S-T. 50 points to close it out in game six. the block in game four, the Aleoup as well that he had.

I'm trying to think of a reason not to go ask because they're too many names, but I know, I know, I know. Down 2-0. They were debatably not the better team for a lot of those games. They went down 2-0 for a reason, and Janus single-handily brought them into that. He went complete dominating mode,

two ways, like you said, defining traits, I mean, defining plays to close out the series on both ends. A 50-point close-out game is so hard to deny. Like, that has to be yesterday. ever see that. Exactly. And did it all with the hyper-extended knee. This is great. And there's really nobody to move down from S-tier. Like, it's peak Kobe, peak Wade being really young, the P-KD year, all the LeBron years. Like, these all feel fair to be S-tier. I agree. I looked at

you and I was like, fuck. We can't put them below S-2. We can't. Literally insane if we do that. Okay, 2020, Steph Curry. Do we go A or do we go B? I'm going A. I'm going to The average number 30. I understand. There was still a game in this series where, and Steph was good for one of these, every single finals run, but one of those games was just like, yo, he just can't shoot tonight. Had his first ever, I believe it was his first ever playoff game with no threes in a game. He went 0 for nine from three in a game.

Damn. But yeah, this has to be a tier, I think, not be. This is, you know, defining Steph Curry moments. This was a team that needed him to be an isolation score, needed him to beat, one-on-one more than any other championship team in this team's history, this was his moment. This was fully, fully, fully deserving A-tier. Exactly. A-tier, easily.

2023, Nicole Yokic, decimating the Miami Heat. I think you can, the only reason to put it in A would just be if you're docking them for for competition reason. This is an insane. He averaged damn near 70% you shooting, 30, 14, and 7. This is S-tier. I'm not going to lie. All right, go ahead.

This is S-tier. I don't want to glaze, but I feel like if the Yannis one is S tier, so is this. It has to be. It has to be. This is much better than that 2010, 2018 year and 2022 year of stuff. I agree. It's just utter dominance. You literally like, when we saw him, I'm not going to lie, I thought I saw one of the 10 to 15 best players of all time playing basketball.

It's just a certain level of an unstoppableness that you feel. And he belongs in that tier. They destroyed everybody. Easily. They cooked everyone. everybody head and shoulders above everyone that's one of the best offensive peaks of all time 2023 playoff yokech it doesn't get better than that in terms of efficiency volume scoring playmaking combination offensive rebounding this is peak off as a basketball it's crazy how

different two years it goes by because he looks so young in this picture yeah compared to how he looks right now too he did lose way after the bubble he got yeah you're right he did 24 Jalen Brown This is D.RF I think it's F Is he as good as Kau Islander Well actually Because here's the thing

Because he had He had a couple big shots That he did make To seal some games So So like there's that aspect of it He was picking up Luca Right 94 feet

He had a couple steals on Luca right? Yeah, but it sounds like you're beating around the bush. I am. It's FTA.

This is so easily F tier. This is not even a conversation. This is clearest of F tiers. This is somebody has to get it. We don't feel like

Jason Tateen deserves it because he was shooting bricks. Jaylon Brown was also shooting bricks, but at least we can say he locked up Luca Donchage and they both had good and bad games. Jaylon Brown's good games came early in the series

and people kind of ding Tatum because they said you started doing good when the series is already over. Front running. Yeah, sure. So Jaylon Brown got it because he helped build the lead in the series.

doesn't mean it's a strong final performance it is maybe you could say Kauai Leonard is also on the same level and they could be that that just means all three

of them deserve to be in the same tier but if we decided that Kauai is a level more impressive than Iggy I think we just let Kauai be and D yeah I agree I think that's the best way

to look at it to see Kauai doesn't but he doesn't deserve to be an F tier at all at all compared to Iggy and Dale Brown clearst of F tier Jalen

especially when you look at the stats side by side you see the last six finals MVP's and you just see the biggest polar bear in allington texas ever you're still fond of MVP yeah still impressive performance you're still on the list

and it's just not towards a higher new list what's the who's the worst player in us tier I don't know Kevin Durant maybe hmm the last one we got shake out of Alexander oh my bad um

from this year I'm gonna like B tier it's either B or C just because the shooting sweats didn't end up being that great yeah it wasn't a great you got push the seven binding for your team Yeah, he had like an 8-9 turnover game two in the finals as well. Yeah, there's a couple of feel-out games. There's some strong games, but there was a couple stinkers.

I probably, so the guy didn't see just aren't on the same level, so it's probably B. Yeah, I'll go I'll be. Because they're overall, like the, just baseline level of which OKC needed him to carry the office there. But like game seven wasn't great. Game six was the one where he had the eight turnovers. He had, like you said, some feel-out games. He was having trouble with Andrew Nemhardt. game three like you know what i feel though i feel like putting dirk and kawai in the same tier maybe

isn't quite fair but also he's above paul pierce and paul pierce and tony park are their own tier because they're stacked teams the best player on a three-headed monster i feel like kawai goes to f paul pierce and tony park moved down and shay's a low and c tier cari goes to f man because like these bottom three are like team player you guys are just the guy who got it these two in d tier are best of the three-headed stars shay is the best of the best of the the one-headed star, but it was iffy. And these next two are, just really good. Next two are, three are amazing.

S-tier is legendary. Do you guys like that? I can move back. I feel okay with Paul Pierce-I-D. It's fine. I like Paul Pierce-I-D. And then who was, oh, Tony Parker next to Tony Parker. Oh, man.

All right, I'm cool with that. Like, I feel like in the spirit of tears. This makes sense, right? Yeah. Because I don't think you can put Che with Kauai, and I don't think you put him with Tony Parker. He doesn't fit either of those molds, you know? He's, like, directly between them performance-wise.

Okay. but then again if we do index for the whole playoff run then she is certainly with kawai in them how much you went away full playoffs versus finals he didn't have a good like a great first round either agreed okay so it's like he's fine so he's perfectly fine

and then got pushed to seven in the in the second round too yeah and also he yeah this whole playoff run he answered every question thrown at him but first he got punched in the nose before he answered it there was just too many questions yeah there was ups and downs he always responded to the downs but the downs did happen he won the fight but he got his ass toe up a couple Yeah, he got bladed up a little bit

Yeah, shirt ripped and all that I think this is a perfect tier list I agree with you S tier looks crazy But I think it's very very fair If there's ever going to be a tier list It has tons of amazing performances That deserves S tier

It's going to be finals MVP's Yeah, these are the greatest of our generation And then some Yeah, okay There we go That's the end of that Next thing we're going to do I am going to show you

Some blind NBA stats and you are going to guess who the player is just based on the stats. Actually, not guess who the player is. You're going to guess who the better player is just based on these stats. All right, Donovan, hold your horses, please. Don't fall too hard into the bad stats.

Because sometimes it's a true question. Time will tell. Time will tell. Again, all we're seeing as numbers, you let me know who you think is better. And don't try to game it. Just who is a better player? Player A or player B?

Player A. Player A, 33 points, five round, six assists. Two turnovers a game. This looks like Shay is. I, I, I, six, three, true shooting percentage. I know who this is.

And so, Player E. A, say, right? Huh? Player A is Shea. I know who exactly. Can I guess them? No.

No. Who's player B, though? No, no guessing. Who's the player? All right. Player B is better. What the fuck? Player B is better.

What? I don't even know if it's true. You're really, you're acting like it's. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Because 33, 5, and 6 is insane. Then 24, 4.

and seven. Oh, I know what this is too. Player A is better. Player A is better. Exactly. Player A is better. This is 2025A versus 2015 Curry. He's too.

He read player, but he was like, hey. That's what I'm saying. He's been defending those numbers his whole life. Get the fuck out of here. It's not 2016.

Carrary. This isn't crazy. Yeah. Player A is much better. Much better. The stats. See, I don't like that over the last 10 years. People would try to act like 2015 is like a Mickey Mouse MVP.

It's not. It just makes it feel like a, they don't, they don't respect. Just because 2016 was as great. As it was, doesn't mean that 2015 was also great. No one would say Mickey Mouse. It's just the numbers and the numbers.

What do you want me to say? Yeah, it's just... Player A is much better. Yeah, man, watch the games. No, I don't know this actually true. It's probably still better. But numbers and numbers, that's the game. Player A or player B.

Yeah, good job, inflation. Player A, 21, four rebounds, 12 assists a game. Damn. Two and a half turnovers. 36%, 37% three-point shooter. Okay, I like that. Three CELS is crazy. Then player B, 20.

or rebounds and tennis is all right 20 and 10 walking double doubles 28 and 10 does move me 20 it's a lot of points obviously less than 27 28 is a lot of points yeah and he's more efficient too obviously the defense is yeah he's done in the passing wings like that there's a four turnovers where are you no four to 11 no because like obviously if you're scoring 28 points and you have in your averaging tennis is high usage you're gonna have the ball in your hands a lot. But the fact that you can do that and still be overall more efficient than the other guy.

Yeah, I'll be okay with the lack of one point. Okay. Is that one point eight still? Yeah. Yeah. Player B, it is 2022 Trey. Player A is 2008 Chris Ball. Yeah, that's that inflation.

There it is. That's that inflation. Not inflation, bro. Better with times. What do you need? 2020, Tray? I love cross-air comparisons. It's perfectly fair.

This is crazy. It's perfectly fair to compare across-air. It's not fair at all. Yes, exactly. Make some complete sense. has changed. Same three point line, same lights that they use, same, not the same cameras, God damn it, same, uh,

never mind. Player, player B wins. There you go. Player A or player B. All right, so we have basically 24 versus 23 points. Pretty even scores. Player A is a higher assist per game. Player B is more efficient. Okay. By a lot.

Yeah, 8% true shit difference. Yeah, I'm taking player B. I'm, I just saw that yeah, I'm taking player B. Makes more shots, turns the ball over, less. That's substantially more efficient. Yeah, and the turnover is crazy too. All right, I'll go player B. Player B is Tyler Hero, Player A, Jean-Marin.

Yeah, this is where I cut the cord, man. John Moran, get on your game. The numbers are the numbers. Get on your game. That's an all-star that we're talking about. It is. Jean-Mran also this year? Nope, I don't think so.

Damn. And we can't even bail them out because it's not even cross-era. John Moran, I wanted to say, I want to defend you so bad, but it's hard. There you go. Same three-point line. All right.

Player error, player B. Same cameras. Player B. Player A is the higher volume score. Player B is a little more of a passer. Similar levels of efficiency. Not a huge difference. Dude, the three point line is insane.

Two point a shot is crazy. To shoot 40% from three, but then still be like 57%. 57's pretty efficient, though. I'm taking player A. But when the other guy is at 30% or like 29% for three and you're still like around the same range.

Two point bucket. But having three is valuable. And you know what? Yeah, but you're getting. getting buckets, though. At that point, it's about the volume. I'm going to go with Player B. Now I'm going to Player A. I know this is, too. Who is it? I actually don't know who this is. I think Player is Anthony Edwards. This is Anthony Edwards this year versus Duane Wade in 2005. Yeah. Yeah. And this is them both in their age 23 season.

Wow. That's crazy. Hoopers. Hoopers. Next up. Player Avers, Player B. I was right. You were right. Player Avers, Player B. okay 25 7 and 10 57% true shooting versus a more even pace 26 7 and 7 guy 25 and 10 I know who this is too damn 59% true shooting for player B 2777

I see that I said LeBron James Yeah but 257 7 and 10 That's LeBron James too It's player B I'm going B B is a better version This is 2011 LeB The only player in NBA in history.

Yeah. If you see that 7 and 7, that's bro. That's Brian. You guys got it right. It was a trick question. You asked young LeBron. Player Avers,

player B. Ooh, 32, 5, and 7. Versus 29, 10, and 6. Woo, that's good. No three-point shot,

don't care. 1.6 steals a game. Ah, wow. I got this guy too. Player A is very efficient, though. 32 points is a lot of points. It is.

And to shoot 30. 37 from the field. I like player A. So 64% true shooting is ridiculous. Yeah, I like what player A is doing. That feels like... I don't know.

I think I know who the guy. I know for sure. We get it. You know the guys. Those players better. Damn. All right, Stacy. All right, Stacy.

Do you player B? Player B. What draws you to him? I feel presence. I feel presence of B. I feel presence. Yeah. He's lurking.

Spiritual lock in this room? Yeah, I feel, I feel something carrying me. Google Player B. Okay. Player A is Damian Lillard. Player B is Larry Byr. I swear to God I thought Player B was Joan B. You know how to all that was wrong?

I swear to God I was. Player A is 22, Damon Alert. Okay. Wow, that's insane. Those numbers are crazy for Larry Bird back then. Yeah, ridiculous back then. Could you imagine what those numbers would be now? Look at Yokic.

That's what I imagine. Blair A, I forgot who this was. this was Shea. Player A is ridiculous. This game season is so underrated. What year was that again? 2023. Insane season. Yeah. Player A or player B? 3011 and 6. Damn. Versus 30, 13 and 4. Damn. Three blocks. Is that Janus? Damn. No threes. Is that Shaq? Damn, man. I see, no, no, no, no, 3.8 assists. Is that Yonass? It's a tough one.

Yeah, I'm going to go with Player B. I'm going to go with Player B. The fact that they do have 0% from the three, lets me know. You know what you do well. You love non-shooters. You give people brownie points for not shooting threes. The efficiency moves me, man.

66% true shooting is insane. I'm going to Player B. But Player B, three blocks is crazy. Player B is 2000 Shack. Player A is 2024 Yonis. Yeah. That's insane. Three blocks for game.

That's what I'm saying. Just. Dominant. Just out here getting buckets, no threes. None of Fugazi. I'm taking it from 30 feet. You gotta take it for you over there. Inside the line dominance.

One-on-one. Stop me. You can't. I'm going with 2000. Okay. Player A and player B. At this point, I'm just taking who has the lowest three points out. Yeah, exactly.

That's a way to go. Damn, 23, 13, and 4. Hmm. The numbers aren't the best at all. Versus 28, 11, 2. But they are more. Since 2.8 blocks, just feels like a. I genuinely have no idea who to pick.

Player B, his numbers are obviously much, much better. I'm going to go with player. I think in this one, I'm going to go with player B. Player B had a better year. Player B is Anthony Davis. Player A is Tim Duncan. Who, AD, man. I miss Prime AD so much.

People don't understand how good he was, man. Still pretty great. He was who been in. He was 2018, AD different. That's eight years. There's almost a decade ago. Yeah. He was in conversations

for top three players in the world at this time. He was. When LeBron, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, I mean, when the Bronch, Jeff Curry and Jay Harton

were all in their prime. That's fucking nuts, man. People were putting him in that tier. I mean, that was wrong. No, it was not wrong.

It was not wrong. It was not wrong. It was not wrong. It was not wrong. It was not wrong. It was not wrong. It really wasn't the level of defense that you're bringing in two.

It's not about the other guys. Like, he was insanely to go to go to a two level player. Top three? like yes he was in the conversation i think he was he third no he wasn't mp but the team was too bad anyways player a or player b come on damn these numbers are kind of man i ain't like these numbers 29 7 and 6 23 and 4 1.3 steals they do their job you know player b 90 59% true shooting versus

52 i don't remember who these players are did that's okay 23 and 4 i guess give me player a because i like the rebounding and assist but yeah i don't feel great about either for i'll go i I'm going to player A. I'm afraid you love the non-shooters, right? Yep. Yep, yep, yep. Player A is Scotty Barnes, player B, is Jordan Poole.

That's fair. That's fair. You could say that. Well, duh. I hope you say that. I pray to God you think Scottie Barnes is better than Jordan Poole. I thought Scottie Barnes had better numbers than that. No, last year was not a pretty year shooting-wise.

Yeah. And we'll see. That makes me sad. We bounce back. It was a tough team environment last year. Yeah. Okay. Next thing, I'm going to name you the four trades in this week.

Do you let me know who the biggest winner and loser are of those trades? Okay. So it can be an individual player. It can be a team. It can be a person. It can be an entity. Whatever it is. An idea of lost.

Concept. Yeah. It could be a fractal entity. Okay. The Jordan Pool to the Pelicans trade. Biggest winner and loser. Jordan Pool to the Pelicans. For C.J. McCollum and stuff.

It's hard to say who's the winner loser for the organization. The biggest loser is Jordan Pool. Why? Because he has to move to the Pelicans and that dysfunctional last organization. Yeah. Nobody likes them. You're right. Johnson Murray said his hell playing there.

He said he can't even get time with trainers. They can't even give him band-aids. That man went from D.C. It's in New Orleans. It's hot and humid. And it's a lot. You're right. I think it is Jordan Poole and his extracurriculars.

They like to partake in. Well, actually, no, it's not those. There's a lot of extracurriculars in New Orleans. Tell me about it. I don't know. But like, it's just a lot, though. There's voodoo there. Nah, no, no, no, no.

Bad conversation for another day. Exactly. Jordan pool's the biggest loser. Yeah, and I winner Oh, winner Um, Malcolm Brogden Why? Because he doesn't have to be the only unk

He's like, all right, finally I have somebody else to talk about life with Chris Osprezinges to the Hawks Mo is the biggest winner Yeah, I am me. Hawks fans? Yeah, life is better. He finally gets some happiness

The sky is more blue now. Now, do I expect Chris off to be? be a superstar, give us 15 even points a game? No, I don't. 15? Dude, Chris Austin was bad last year. I don't think. I don't want to give me.

Maybe you're not the biggest winner. Listen, if that's the case, the biggest winner, the pockets of the Celtics ownership group, they get, they don't have to pay the luxury tax. You're right. Who's the biggest loser? Ooh. Chris Oswald was in a get to move to Atlanta. You don't get to be with the Celtics anymore.

You're going to be part of it. I don't know. I'm moving to a season winner for that. See, he gets American Della. Delhi every day, bro. No, he lost here. No, maybe it's the biggest loser. Do you think on Yenka Kong was a loser?

No, because he's, I think, I think they, they can play very much together. I think a loser probably is Jalen Brown because he was homies with Chris Paul, with Chris House Brazinius. Now he's got to play with Xavier Tillman as a starting center next year. Exactly, bro. The spacing's going to make him look worse. Jason Taney's out there, Jalen Brown's out there fighting for his life. Yeah.

Shout out to the second apron being duck, though. Drew Holiday to the Blazers. Drew Holliday to the Blazers. Who is the winner of this trade? The biggest winner of this trade is the pockets of the Celtics new owners. That's that one. They get off that three-year deal for Drew Holiday and get Anthony Simons who's expiring. That is a fleece money-wise.

And biggest loser, I guess, is probably... The Eastern Conference, because once again, the Eastern Conference continues just to lose talent to the Western Conference. Yeah, that's what I'm going. I'm going to go with the East. Okay. Desmond Bain to the magic. Winner, of course, is the Orlando Magic.

Desmond Bain, too. Paulo Bacarro, really is the biggest winner. He gets a life raft of shooting. He's about to change his life. Yeah, exactly. Franz Wagner, low-key, a winner, too, because it's like, I don't got to get a couple shots up today. I'm straight.

I got Desmond right there. Now, the biggest losing might be Franz. Low-key, because if he comes out, you can't shoot threes again next year, they're like, you're the last excuse. You're the only one that's line who can't shoot. We got problems with you. You're right about that.

Yeah, it'll be easier maybe, but. All the more pressure on him to be able to hit some threes next year Yeah Overall Orlando everyone in Orlando fans GM Shed their coach as well Massive winner Yeah everybody wins fantastic deal for the magic Okay next last thing we're going to do

I am going to show you some NBA draft classes The last 10 to be specific We are going to pick the best and worst pick From each of those draft classes Okay So yeah we're going to view the epic highs and lows Of all these classes Talk to me

This is interesting Let's do it. Hides and lows. This is going to be kind of easy to do because of always consistent shitters in the lottery. Always. So it's a quick, quick bailout. Yeah.

Okay, so we're going to start 10 years ago. Pull this light up. Oops. There we go. First off, we got the 2016 draft class. Ooh, okay. So we're doing the best and worst. Biggest thing that jumps out, number four,

Dragging. Drag and Bender's the worst pick of this draft first. They took Jogginner. The year after the Knicks took Porzingis, and they said, we are going to get that Eastern European and he's going to shoot threes for us and he was a bust. Terrible.

Best pick of this draft to me, easily, Pascal Seaccombe. Oh, easy. Number 27, he helped him win a finals. He was imperative for them. He was a gigantic part of a winning a championship. They traded him later, got some picks for him.

Is he the best player of the draft or Jalen Brown? I don't know he's best player, but he's the best pick in terms of value. True. So maybe Jail around is better, but getting him at 27 versus getting him at three, that's a whole different world of value. I don't know.

I think it's a conversation on the, low. This is honestly pretty impressive. You have three guys here who won chips with the team that drafted them because you have Jamal Murray at seven, Jalen Brown at three. That's, that's actually really impressive. Mm-hmm. This is a pretty good draft boss. Shout out to Georgios Papayanas. If Ben Simmons back, they don't fall apart, this would be a loaded draft class. That's. Shout to Denzel Valentine. Shout out to Thonmaker. Shout out to Henry Ellison. Yabuselli. 2017. Ooh. I'm going to get Hassi Markle Foltz. It was one of the biggest mission of number one pick history. Not his fault, but it is what it is.

pick set back their organization. This is the reason why they have seen what happened. I can't even say Mark Hill Fultz, though. I'm looking right there at number four. Once again, the Phoenix Suns, Josh Jackson. They were going to be asked regardless. No, no, no, no. It's the number one pick, and you have Jewel and Bid

and you have Ben Simmons. That could have been Jason Tatum, and you would have had the best team of the 2010. This legitimately set their team back. Mark Kel Fultz is part of the reason why they're still in this debacle. Missed opportunity-wise, missing this number one pick is one of the biggest misses in NBA history because of what could have been if you pick Jason Tatum.

And Best Pick has to be. Jason Tatum. Number three, getting the future finals player, the future finals winner? Yeah, okay, yeah. I forgot who's up top. I was looking at 13 for D. Mitch. I literally forget Tatum and Derek White were in the same class. It just feels like, for some odd reason, Derek White was

drafted in 09 or something like that. When do I feel that way? It's because he bald. That dome is shiny. 2018. I don't think Aiden's so bad that he's the worst pick. I do think Mark and Bad, Marvin Bagley over Luca Donch is the worst pick. It's fucking polar bear, bro. Look at

that goddy like first five picks man holy shit it's hard to find a pick that just like in the moment disgusting in the future more disgusting so is Shay the best pick here probably right an MVP at 11 yeah absurd value of course now MVP and champion yeah

at 11 yeah best pick for sure second one second on that list would be Luca you're getting feature superstar number three that's also a good steal but listen right now pretty much on equal footing one guy draft at eight spots later one guy is above the other guy oh shit

conversation for another day yeah 2019 this is a very up and down draft I don't know how to feel about the Zion pick in this conversation I guess you could say Darius Garland is the best pick

I don't even know though because the worst pick is Jared Culver number six oh I had so much faith in Jared Culver he was my guy that class I thought he was going to be this passer, this score, his versatile defender. Didn't work at all. I thought he was going to be the next damn Jimmy Butler, bro.

Far from that. Is the best picking this draft Tyler Hero, value-wise? Value, the fact that he's made an all-star. Yeah. You can say that. Sekudumboya, man. That's so funny. John Morant, it's gone horribly the last, like, year and a half, two years.

But he's made an all NBA team. They've won a playoff series, which is. more than some other people can know. But honestly, I can't go a job because we have real conversations about if you can win with him in general. You don't talk about that when you come to Tyler. Garland number five. Debatedly the best player here right now?

Yeah, I got Garland. Actually, I'm kind of inclined to go with Hero though. Because they got Hero and made a title run. Obviously, he's not like because of Hero. Well, they made the finals run. Yeah, but like he had he had some big performances, especially in the bubble. He's still with

the team. Like, I think I would go Underrated terrible pick here, Lucas Sominich number 19. In the moment, it was like, ho! And the Spurs fans were pissed. It didn't pan out whatsoever. Terrible. That is the worst pick here. That is a very bad pick.

In the moment, Spurs fans were pissed. 2020. Worst pick, I mean, RIP, sad to say, RIP, the Achilles, James Wiseman, number two. Facts. One of the worst picks. Could have been the extender of a dynasty if they nailed it. They did not.

Is the best pick here, Tyreys Maxi at 21? Because it's a late steal? Or is it Tyresell? at 12 because he's maybe the best player of his class after Anthony Edwards. I think it's probably going to be Tyrese Halliburton. I would go ahead.

You just made game seven to the NBA five. Top 10 player in the NBA this year outside of the top 10. Tyrese Halliborne has to be the best pick. You damn your culture shifter, man. I think I got to go on Tyreys Hallibor. He's absolutely a culture shifter. Worst pick, Killian Hayes or Jalen Smith?

Jalen Smith. Kellian Hayes, easy. Killing Hayes has some respect at the time. It didn't work. people weren't panning that in the moments like people were panning James Wiseman in the moments as like that one smart people saw that as being not a good decision I think killing Hayes

had some people had some faith so I don't know over Jaylen Smith? Yeah Jaylen Smith was confusing at the time I remember that distinctly All right Shout out Poku shout to Desmond Bain Oh Jim McDaniels could be in this conversation On the low but my guy precious There's a lot of steals in this draft

2020 worst pick I mean Do we ever got a Jayling Green Saus hole staring out of us easily Jayling Green right now, I guess. James Boykman was terrible, too. Josh Primo is ass. Oh, it's Josh Primo. Get him out of here. Oh, he nasty as hell. Yeah. I will hate on Jalen Green as much as anybody. I would not put him below Josh Primo in a list of mistakes. Josh Primo's crazy. Best, best pick might be Sangoon at 16. I'm thinking. I'm thinking Mobley won DPO Y this year. Yeah. Number three, he's, he's, Mobley's the best player here. 16, you got an all star. Jalen Johnson at 20.

low key that he's could be an all-star next next year he probably should be if he's healthy the guy just what if we're talking just major trophies ever mowbly should get it he should be the he should be the best pick out of here okay well they got the best player here at number three that's not you don't always guarantee that i guess we can go of mowgli sure can be mad but sing who's the biggest steal value was yeah again it's our sometimes we're picking the best player sometimes they're picking the best deal with a mixture jane zon could end up being the best deal later i i don't know i don't disagree with that yeah that's a very good bet 2022 worst pick here

johnny davis johnny davis number 10 that that's tough i linked it up for his career 3.5 points per game damn top 10 pick 3.5 points damn on the other note jaylon williams j dove is a steal this draft number 12 easily looking at this class thing he's sold tight because i see a j giffin there and i think that's mine no that's the main camp it's fine okay yeah i see a j griffin there

and that makes me O.D. sad because he retired from basketball. He did. Spread the word of the Bible. Shout out of him, I guess. No comment. Shout out to him. No comments. 2023.

Worst pick so far. Anthony Black isn't bad, but it's kind of high. It is high, but it's okay. I mean, he's still in the rotation. Kobe Buffton is the worst pick so far that I see that sticks out. Who's done like negative anything. Oh, no, it's nice. Jalen Hishafino.

The Lakers needed this pick to hit. and Jalen Hux Chafino did exactly nothing for them before they had to salary dump them. The Hawks needed a disrespect to hit too. It's the same shit. We're going bar for bar, ban for ban for man. They salary dumped Jalen Hoodsafino in year two.

We just did. You still got Kobe Buffkin. You're still kicking it. I think we just traded him. Did you trade him? I don't remember regardless. We're going to ask for ass, but your ass is,

it's showing us. It showed itself a lot sooner. And there's a lot more pressure there with the LeBron James of it all, with Anthony Davis of it all. Yeah. I remember, now he's still in a house.

Folks are so happy about Jane of Huffino. I saw this and I was like, eh, kind of confusing because he's not the shooter that they need day one. And naturally, I think we can just say Victor Romneyama is the best pick

of this draft number one. Generational. You expect it to get a legend, you probably got a legend. I think we can glaze a little bit. If we're not saying that, the other steal of this draft, it seemed like it was Derek lively.

Now it's in the air. I might still go loudly. Actually, no, no, no. Let's go amendment before. A men number four. That's actually the best pick of this draft. I think that'll be the second best player and you got number four.

That's a steal. Okay. 2024. Madas Buzillas might be the best pick when it comes to straight value. I agree. And worst pick is obviously T. John Salon. Damn. Damn.

It's so early to say. I hate doing that. But we knew that draft night. In the moment, we were like, what? And he's given us no reason to think otherwise so far. Only you two. I mean, only your one's done. So the story is not written.

But as of now, we've got to go there. Yeah. Damn. I hate doing this. I hate to do it too. Cordy Williams, please get better. Oh, Jeremy King could be the best pick number 16. Oh, no, that's also.

Well, I guess Cody Williams Yeah Well, I guess It's the wrong with Six to normal Yeah Yeah

Yeah, I think we're going to Goeas alone And Jeremy can't at 16 Is probably the biggest Still I'm thinking about You are pro-dance That's your

Kello Where's a good pick at 15 Isaiah Probably too This is a very Territianian In 812 He has a role next year

This is a very decent draft Mm-hmm In 2025 The draft has happened yesterday Early picks What do we think is the worst Big of this draft? I feel if you have a

Gaffinor, Gaffinodemann, number eight. It's a kind of a reach. I don't think it's as much of the reacher. Do you think so? Is it him? Or is it a 16th, Portland ticking. Nah, I like that. That's a graceful.

It's a reach, but I don't know he's bad. The crowds coming down, right? It was like, who me? Hey, man. No fact, it looks like at the games, and everything, they do the swap, but they give you, like, an upgrade can you see? That's what it looks like.

I find one definite or we can go, Yeah, it's one of the next week. Yeah, it's one of the next week. I think one or three. Five guys that can't shoot, we'll go with them. Yeah, I would then. Best pick. Could be black.

It'd be confidentable to me. Because, like, they could easily, like, the... I think as far as that, Svindy, is good, but... My first thought is common motherwash, just because he's going to change the sun's lives, because they had no bids. But it's because of some to break, though. Yeah, well, it's what it is.

Value's got to you. That's my first thought. I don't know if Casperus is a, as a shirt fodder thing can we say it's a still in draft Carter Bryant up to me it's a great page I like that I like Carter Ryanports

Craig Johnson is six she'd be a fake soon a lot of good picture not all the fuck-ups here I'm sorry than next and maybe like if you're low on your right here is maybe and then I it's not a bad at the next

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