The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Problem Every NBA Team Must Solve | Ep. 77

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

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So how have y'all spent your all-star weekend break? Chilling, relaxing. You know. Chill and relaxing. That man is a liar. This is one of the most eventful. What do you mean? What do you mean?

You're a liar. We got back on Monday and I immediately took a nap. I proceeded to chill right away. That was my plan. It was an eventful weekend. But yeah, the rest of the break, I'm chilling. I'm sleeping. I'm napping.

That's funny. Yeah, man We're, listen, we're recording this on Wednesday, February 21st The All-Star break ends tomorrow Our season starting up again But, you know, if you guys saw the last episode That dropped on Saturday instead of Friday Which is a, I don't know a mix up to our normal posting schedule

But that happened because we were at NBA All-Star weekend Recording a live show in Indianapolis That went pretty well, you know, we had a lot We had a little crowd there We, Nikolaise's pictures pulled up of the show there Somebody said I had to stand on something to be in the first pick No, that's crazy as hell. I didn't even see that one.

How did y'all feel about the live show about being at All-Star Weekend for the first time? All that. Man, I guess we start off with baby steps. Being at All-Star Weekend was crazy as hell. I hopped on my flight and I see agent from A&P. Then I see some, like, the CEO of overtime. And I see the rapper Lil Tyler, the 16, 17-year-old dude. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?

I land. Boom. Dominique Wilkins right in front of my. face up. I'm like, holy shit, man. I'm really here. Legs and these start to muggle a little bit. Came together at the whole weekend. Yeah, exactly. There was so much, so much happened, bro. We witnessed

the atrocious dunk contest witnessed Donovan, Donovan Airball. Charles Barkley tried to steal my girlfriend from me, and we can get into that story, but I guess I might save it for the stream on Monday 8 p.m. But man, oh man, so much shit happened. What about you, Donna? How do you feel about the weekend?

Well, how do you summarize it? Hmm. eventful and cold. Bro, it's cold as hell in Indianapolis. Oh my goodness. And like, it was like 16 degrees. You and I were walking around at like, when was it? I think it was after All-Star Saturday night.

We were walking around trying to get to different places. And it was just like an uncomfortable experience. It was just too cold. We didn't have beanies. We didn't have the right type of jacket. They didn't have any kind of gloves. Our faces were literally frozen walking around that city. Yeah, man.

I was so mad. We left, there was a concert on Saturday at the venue after, like, I excelled after Saturday Night Things. I forget the guy's name, Jelly Roll was, was recorded as performing. We decided to leave early. We went to Enwar to try to get into this party or whatever. I was walking for 30 minutes in the cold with the lightest jacket on. Wait, time about, I'm sorry, Nicku, you take this down now.

You take this down now. Y'all have to understand immediately after this, snow, in my face, right? understand the conditions not even snowing right now bro what are you talking about that's what i'm saying you have to understand the condition of what it was like it was 16 degrees about to snow you get me in an actual gym that's different right then you get on the street with some regular rubber ball that you find in a fifth grade gym the one that has done all the little you know is growing the other basketballs on it that's too much all right damn relax i was with donovan we did this i'm the worst hooper of the three of us by far tell him what you shot at i made two my i made two my i made

two of my first three shots. Tell them what you shot at. I don't know what's the same place you shot at. What do you mean? You were not at the same place. You were taking layups. I know he was not. You were taking layups. Look at I'm trying to lie. I made two my first three and this man had to shoot five times before he made it embarrassing effort from somebody who called himself the best hooper of us three. You better next time. Play me right now. Play me right now. Played fly to Houston. Play me right now. I'm dead, bro. Yeah, man. Yeah, again, it was a phone weekend. I was not prepared for the cold coming from Los Angeles and Texas before that. First time I've experienced a cold like that in quite some time. I'm not used to that Midwestern cold. It was

nuts. Yeah, I can tell you guys one thing and I feel like I can speak for all of us and probably 75% of people who went to All Star Weekend. We are never stepping foot back in Indiana. I have zero reason to do that. I go in Indiana. I wasn't going to say it. I was going to live. It was that weekend to be the main characters. That city is boring. It is tough, man. But, hey, it was a great time. I ran into so many just huge dudes. I saw Kenny Smith walking in front of him. I'm like, wow, bro.

I don't know how he does it. Shout out to him because if I had that. No, for real. For real, I don't know how he walks straight. His knee is going into the other leg. It's crazy. Perpetual bruising. Yeah, no.

The most bone leg. He needs that surgery. He needs that surgery where they break your leg and they make it straight. That's crazy. He has the one for it. Yeah, also, Rick was good. great. As you guys leave in the title today's episode, we're going to go through every single NBA team, and we're going to talk about their biggest problem they need to solve

in the second half of the season. You know, we're past the trade deadline, so these aren't problems that can fix our personnel move. It's going to have to be straight adjustments, finding ways to use their personnel better, all that. So, going to be a pretty in the weeds that'll analysis heavy episode. So it should be fun. Thanks. This tweet. This tweet is hilarious. You're watching YouTube, drop a like and subscribe. If you're audio platforms rate us five stars leave a review follow us on all socials check out the merch it's still in the bio you know refresh the merch recently got the new designs in there it's looking great check out episode three of iG show go ahead and check that shit out tap the fuck in

yeah man let's get into the episode I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters, rejoice. Before we get to the, you know, going through every team's problems, did you guys see all the, you know, conversation about conversation today? Everybody talking about the state of NBA media after JJ Redick went on first take and once again complained about the whole first take, hot take environment and how it's not prone to educational content and all this stuff.

Did you see that? Discord squared. Yes, I did see it. Discord squared. Yeah, exactly. I didn't see it. Yeah. Yeah.

Doesn't the NBA media likes more than talking about the NBA media? Yeah, no, it was absolutely hilarious to see just like Patrick Beverly come out of the woodworks fighting for Doc Rivers' online reputation or whatever. But, I mean, I saw a lot of interesting things. There's a lot of validity to JJ Reddick's argument and conversation. One of the biggest talking points that he had was like,

yo, I post a video breaking down, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 50-some, 50-K-some views. But I talk about Doc Rerick. and fire off at him 10 million engagements or whatever and like that sentiment is just like super true basketball is like top tier basketball the market for it is like caters to crayon eaters you know what I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that necessarily like I enjoy the fun stuff too but at the same time we can even like speak from from our channel perspective like when we post a video not talking about like a super fun conversation like drafting somebody or like putting jersees in the tier list

or whatever, like, the views don't do necessarily the same. And he's speaking facts. J.J.R.X's whole point was, do fans even want this type of content or do they just want the bullshit that he's in the limelight for getting attacked, arguing for? He's like, every time I do this,

you all perpetuate it and push it out there? Like, do people even want educational content? Is the NBA fan base lazy? Didn't he be educated all this shit? And you know, he does this every time he goes on to first take. Occasionally he gets frustrated and is like, what the fuck are we talking about? as if he's not on first take

you know like he's surprised by this after going on first take the show where that's all they do so it's led to some people giving back pushing back on his point a little bit Nick Wright was on Twitter talking about like

I don't go on diner drive ins and dives and complain when we talk about food you know like this is what you sign up for it's a bit pretentious to pretend this should be anything otherwise you know there's a market for this where do you fall on this Donovan I feel like you're probably pretty opinionated

I'm somewhere in the middle though I think like I think that this is something that we try to do a good amount is I think like when you watch basketball there's obviously like the meme of like two two camps you have like people who watch it and you're like oh like that that boy nice and then you have the like advanced stat nerds on the other side and like yes yes advanced stats help and they help to you know provide context for a lot of things that you see because sometimes

you can't sometimes you can't just rely on your eyes I've seen people literally look at some look at a player and be like, oh, he's a shooter. Like, you can't leave him. And then you go look at the stats and he shoots less than 30% from three, right? And it's like, what you're watching isn't always true. But honestly, what I look at this, this reminds me of a conversation, like, if we go into music. And it's like a, it's like a Drake versus Kendrick Lamar where you're like, well, Kendrick's a better rapper.

Like, look at, look at his lyricism, look at everything that he's doing. It's like, there's cool. That's cool. And there's a time and place for all that, right? But if you're out, you're not trying to hear Kendrick Lamar screaming, sliding down a wall, right? You want to hear some Drake stuff, right? And that's the, that's the mix that we're trying to get. And I think that JJ Redick, like, you are also JJ Reddick and you have a platform to do all the nerdy stuff that you want.

Stop hating. Like, it is what it is. I think, or do bone. I think JJ Redick has a great point. J.J.R.R.R.R.R.R. is right. But I think Nick Wright is right about this isn't the vehicle to do. it and explain this on. If you're going to go on first take, this is what they do. This is the platform that the entire point of the show is to give hot takes and play basically a game of entertainment for casual fans that want to see arguing. They're coming for arguing, not for

analysis. So to go on there and get on the soapbox, this is a hilarious place to do it. Like, why are you even coming on the show then if you don't give a fuck about this? But he is right overall about a sentiment that that style of content and how companies like ESPN have fully dove into that. They saw Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith get traction in early 2010s arguing about LeBron's legacy every motherfucking day. And they triple down on it and made their entire network around it. And I think that has really made it. So especially NBA fans, this is the only way they consume this stuff. All they think about is first take ass brain when they're talking about basketball. How did this affect LeBron's legacy? Exactly. That's like that's the, that's the

automatic mode of consumption for so many fans. And J.J. Reddick has a problem with that. My problem with, though, is that he was like, do fans even want to be educated? And I don't think it's a fan thing where they just don't want it. I think they're, they've been conditioned to think that because it's all ESPN shoves down their fucking brain and makes them think this is all we need talk about. It's not even that, though. There needs to be a better mix. It's, it's, it's past ESPN, right? The NBA has marketed their stars. They've marketed like this player versus this player since the 1980s. This is something that's been going on for 40, 45 years. So this is literally how the league is built. And so to think that you're just going to show up.

up one day and be like, hey, guys, I have this breakdown of like this pick and roll coverage and like everybody just can be like, oh my gosh, this is the best thing ever. Like, it's going to take time to undo everything that David Stern built the league on. It's not going to happen overnight. But what you're talking about is people liking players over teams. That's a different conversation. No. I think it. I think it leads into this because when you talk about like, when you talk about baseball, right? Baseball is not a rings culture sport at all. And I think that everybody kind of understands that it is a team sport and you really need everything firing. Obviously, it's a little bit different basketball because of the way that like one player can affect a team.

But when you market the stars and then you take that and you say, okay, we are building things up to be player A versus player B. And now we take that into rings culture. It is directly like, related to that in how fans see teams, right? You see teams as LeBron and the Cavaliers. You see it as Kevin Durant and the Phoenix Suns, right? And then that kind of spirals into everything and everything else. So like it's going to take time to kind of unlearn this and look at things like, I guess from a micro perspective and starting looking at like the X's and O's and all the stats and stuff like that. For sure. The NBA definitely has a part in it. But I think a big part of it is I'll blame ESPN as a main corporate. There's obviously

the other media companies that are part of this, the ones that, even the ones that we work for, you know, like there's plenty of culprits in this media escape that have shaped it to be what it is. But I think it's the easiest to just look at ESPN as the prime example because, you know, they had the whole embrace debate era that even now, as we're a little bit after that, as that kind of fell apart for them and they've kind of hit the new era, everything they talk about is trades. Everything they talk about is how do we get this player to the big market? The cabs go off, have a crazy stretch. Even if we're doing, you know, the NBA wants to market at stars, if you think of their version of it, best case scenario, which you can still

see problematic, is like, let's big up Donovan Mitchell. Can he be the next MVP or whatever? Instead of like having conversations around Donovan Mitchell, even if it's not going to be the Cavs, ESPN will come on here and be like, how do we get him to the Knicks? You know, does his recent play make you think he'll request a trade next year if they don't win the title, you know, like it immediately becomes a narrative-driven stuff like that. Even outside of the player focused stuff the NBA talks about, these companies see the success of this narrative-driven stuff and the success of this debate stuff and that's where the profits come from.

So they go straight into that, let's triple down on that. People aren't going to want to listen if we talk about the Cavaliers. So it's fine a way to make it about the Knicks, find a way to make about the Lakers. And they're just doubling down on profit over substance, which is, you know,

not to get all so boxy, the story of America in every industry, but that's affecting media in every way, not just sports. And this is how we're seeing it play out for us where it's just ruining the ways fans think about the game because of this profit-based approach to sports media.

What do you think about that, Donovan? I mean, listen, Isaac's not wrong, right? But I also think, like, there is a level. And I think my problem, at least in what JJ said, is why Isaac alluded to earlier, is that you did this on first take. And a lot of the times when people who are very like exes and nose driven and very. statistical in their analysis of the game whenever you get into these big picture conversations a lot of times it comes off as as you're condescending it comes down as like why are we even talking about this why are we even doing this as if that conversation doesn't even have a you know

a place we saw donovan mitchell literally for an entire offseason basically subtweets say i want to go to the nix there was talk all this time about like x-1 line Z and him in him going to the Knicks so it wouldn't be shocking as if you know to to look at him and think of him in the context of oh is that still a thing is he going to is he you know eventually going to go to the next I just think that you can find you can have both and you can you can have a balance between these two things but you got to learn how to like I think also insulting the the product as is on either side is kind of just like counterproductive Go do your job, right, make the content you want to make.

I promise you, if you make good content, people are going to rock with it and you can build it from there. But like, you're mad, like, you're mad that the, that the Ice Spy song is the one trending rather than, you know, you're an eight-minute, you know, lyrical miracle type of thing. Just relax. Like, do what you do and everything will solve itself. Yeah, there's definitely a market for a mix of both, right? That's what I feel like that we try to do with this show is get people in the door through the shorts and everything of, We do the fun bullshit because it's fun, right? And people want to see it.

And then they come to the show and they'll see more substantive conversations. Like, hopefully, like this one, the ones that come before TikTok time, you know, like, try to find a blend of both. I think that's enough of what you got to do these days with the state of media because you can't ignore the short form, mind, the younger fans, the stuff, the stuff. But like I said, there is a balance to it and oftentimes first take can go to the opposite way where it's too much of the bullshit, right? Where you're saying what we're going to talk about, Donald and Mitchell stuff? Yeah, a little bit, right? but not all the time. We're not going to spin it

when the cattle are doing well find a way to spin it to the Knicks stuff instead of talking about both you know there's a time and place for everything and he's right it is leaning too far that way

but it's again we agree the place to message that is not going on for his take that's the point where it comes off pretentious yeah yeah

yeah man such such an interesting conversation I mean all this also has to do with like just basketball as a whole being the I feel like basketball is the easiest sport

to get into because there's not as many moving parts compared to something like baseball or fucking football, which their roster contained like, what, 50, 60 players or something crazy like that? 52, yeah. There's so many moving parts. And when it comes to basketball, it's just like, okay, easiest form of his like one-on-one after that, five-on-five, you know what I'm saying? And I think I agree with both of you guys.

JJ Redick, there's time and place for these types of conversations or whatever. He could be doing this because he's like, this is his biggest. platform ESPN. But at the same time, you know, he is doing this part by doing his, uh, the show that he has on his show with Nikaias and Steve Jones, I believe, on his channel talking about all the Xs and O's. So it's like, it's a time of place for everything, you know, with a little pretentious, probably that, but I think that just may be JJ Rex personality, just a little bit. And then after that, and that one makes him him. Yeah, that's what I feel him. So like, people say the same shit to me that I can come up, just like that. So I understand

him like it is what it is sometimes it's hard to it's when you're someone wired like him it's hard to deal with so much bullshit that you know as part of the job but can get frustrating when you feel like it's just like so much fluff that like he just it's he can't comprehend how to just like accept all this i can understand him getting frustrated by that i often feel similarly so it's not surprising to me that he would go this route even if we think it's a little bit much yeah exactly Could you imagine how you'd feel if we asked you, if I asked you, Isaac, like, every two weeks when you hop on the show, who's better, Bonner, Jordan, who, where do you rank? I wouldn't do this shit. But then again, in a different format.

He doesn't have to do that shit. He has a successful show doing what he wants. He doesn't have to go on first take. So that's the part that's like, stop going on it. Well, granted, he has the ESPN contract. Part of it is maybe they want him on there or whatever. So we don't know how that works exactly, but you're a fucking multimillionaire with your own success. platform. You don't have to do this. You can do your own thing, I promise. You don't have to get...

My bag is different. Very, which is fair. But I found myself, I often get very frustrated by narratives and how annoying the things we talk about in basketball are. And I found myself how to remind myself that like, you can just get out Twitter. You know, you don't got to give a fuck about what Twitter's talking about, about Anthony Davis, about Shakego's Alexander or whatever. I think he's even more wrapped in it as he's an even bigger media person than we'll ever be. And he's so, listen on TV is a different level of scrutiny and different level of consuming the stuff I think he has to do a little bit of that disconnection as well

and realize some of the shit just doesn't matter facts so you're saying that JJ Reddy just touch grass he'll be okay he's stuck in being too terminally online I've been there I've been there plenty of times he has to stop giving a fuck that's hilarious touch grass is Jay Reddick tap in with timeout mode

on iPhone on iPhone yeah man All right. Let's transition away from that. We're about 20 minutes in. Let's get to the meat potatoes this episode. We're going to go through every single NBA team and give one problem they all got to solve. Donvin up, why don't you go first as a resident hater? I know you got some negative you lined up for us. Who was your first team? My first team is the Dallas Mavericks. And I'm going to do the thing that you hate the most. We're going to talk narratives right now, right? Oh my gosh. Go ahead. Because, okay, and I'll say this. I'll say this. Realistically, their problem that they're going to have to solve is, are they going to be able to surround Luca Donchitz with enough versatile defenders to where he can do what he does on offense and then defensively they can cover him and Luca and then they'll be fine in the

playoffs. They've won six straight games. They have the second best defense in the NBA at that, in that time, but they played the sixes without MB, they played the Knicks without Brunton and Randall, right? There's some games. there was some weak wins, but also they stomped the thunder in that span. Yeah. And that's-

Which granted, that was a Madnay game coming onto the road. Exactly. I don't really blame the Thunder for that loss either. Exactly. But that problem, I don't necessarily, I don't see it as like a this year type of problem. That's kind of a perpetual thing that if you have Luca Donchers on your team, you're always going to need those types of players and that's always going to be a concern. So it seems more of a prerequisite than problem.

My real problem that I have for the Mavericks is they're going to have to figure out a way to keep Luca Donchitz from running off into the sunset with Nicole Yokic, right? And I say that because right now, even as good as they are playing, they're probably not going to be in the top four in the West. They are going to have to go on the road

for a deep playoff run. And there's a lot of teams that we think are better. And so eventually we're going to get to a point where, you know, if they're not, they're not getting back to the conference finals the way that they were two years ago, we might have an issue, right? We think that the team that they've surrounded with him right now is definitely an upgrade over the one that they had earlier in the season, but they need to put pressure on themselves and don't have Luca be the one sub-tweeting people.

The Mavericks need to take the initiative to make sure that they have the best roster around him to make sure that he does not leave whenever his time is up that's the that's the real problem but outside of that like everything else is fine i love how you just did exactly what i was talking about first take doing they're playing well on you're like what if he leaves that is hilarious i told you i told you get the fuck out of here i told you and then you use nikola yokech as you and then you use the koliokic as his bromance to go ahead and bro they were running around like ghost and all weekend like like yo relax relax relax And I understand that's high level.

That's high level. That's high level. That's why I wanted to start with that. I need this Stephen Smyth delegations. I need you like it. That's hilarious. Yeah, I agree. It's a problem.

I hope he never leaves. But he's not turning down Supermax money. So I don't see him leaving any time soon. Nobody's ever turned down Supermax money. You act like the Supermax money can't be signed and then a trade request happened. That's all that's all I'm saying. But if you want to go into a couple years of gap. If you want to go.

into like the real thing yeah i think it's i think it is real talk like the defense of um from this team they are obviously like very high powered offensively they have shooters they have athleticism now around luka but if they are going to go and beat the minnesota tim wolves with their with their size if they're going to beat the the nuggets in their offensive system everything that the thunder have been doing you're going to to need to be able to one stop people at the rim and you're going to need really, really good defenders. I'm not 100% sure that they have all of those things to make deep playoff runs and beat those teams one by one by one in the playoffs. Yeah, I think the biggest problem they have right now is they don't have enough big wing defenders,

which, you know, most teams don't. It's pretty hard to do that. It's going to be hard to, I think back every time I'm thinking about most of these teams that are contenders, how are you going to beat either the Nuggets or the Clippers? And, you know, Lucas had his way with the Clippers over the years, but he always loses those series. And, This team has one less Dorian Finney Smith than they had in the past, and the clippers have one more James Hardin they had in the past. So even harder to imagine them having a defense strong in front of the perimeters to guard James Hardin, Paul George, Kauai Leonard,

with Kyra Irving in the building now. Tim Hardaway Jr. plays big minutes. Listen, like I said, they don't have Dorian Finney Smith. They just got PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford, who are being good additions. Don't solve that problem at all. If PJ Washington is guarding Kwai Leonard, you're in hell. So I think that's the biggest problem is how are they going to match up with these big wings that are on all the best teams in the league.

Exactly. Yeah. For me, it's just like, well, to piggyback off what you said, Isaac, I hate using that transitional word, but it's a goddamn good one. Just do it. Just piggyback is fine. They just simply can't keep up with a lot of the top elite teams in the Western Conference. When it comes to their defensive pieces, that's more so the part, of course, like, that's been the consistent. of their entire tension with Luca Donchus.

They just can't keep up simply as simple as that. Offense, just because you have Lucan Dantuan's on your roster, there's a soul, there's not a saw in the planet that they can't keep up with. But when it comes to how effective their wing guys are, you know, I'm saying. The Tim Hardaway Juniors of the world is just like, that's when things got a little bit shaky now. They have, this is probably the best roster that Luca Dantius has had on paper, but in terms of just like what this dude actually.

actually needs. I'm not a hundred and ten percent sure. Now, Daniel Gafford does move me, of course. PJ Washington is way better than what they previously had, but just looking at the archetypal player that Luca is and his deficiencies, I'm not 100% sure how they will hold up once that time comes and pace starts to slow down a little bit and people need and teams need to start locking up. And I don't know if the Dallas Mavericks will ever eventually be that team that locks anything up. Yeah. I like, my biggest issue I had with them early in the year before this trade was they don't get to the rim a lot, their 28th and rim volume, which I think having Daniel Gaffer and P.G.O. Washington helps there directly. You know, with Gafford there now, between him and

lively, they're always going to have an athletic rim runner on the court. And it maxed leap has been good defensively, too. So, like, I don't really have an issue with their front court anymore. But defensively, they're still 28th in rim defense accuracy given up. And as good as Gafford is, I don't see him solving that. So that's my biggest problem is, can you build a competent defense when you don't have big wings and you don't defend the room well you're going to have to really out shoot teams you know when you have aluka and kaira it's always possible but that's a difficult place to start from hmm like you're always starting in a disadvantage there and if you're going to start disavange you need a ball handler to bail you out every game look is the one to

fucking do it but that's a hard team construction which again they're better now so maybe maybe they can outgun that every week now yeah yeah this whole situation in for the defense I guess right now the all-star break. It's more of an unknown than a problem, but it definitely can snowball into a problem. So that's why I put it down there. Yeah. I'm very hopeful than though. The more I think about them, the more hopeful I am that they're going to be extremely good after we come back and see more of this team. So in terms of like the teams I'm most or least worried about, they're closer or least worried about right now. That's fair to say. At the same time, it's like, I bet it's so frustrating for any fan in the Western Conference right now just to like see their team thriving. A lot

of teams right now are like 9 and 6 in their last whatever or 10 and 4 or 10 and 6 type shit and they like haven't moved or if they moved it's like up a smitch against other teams so it's just like west is tough man this is probably the toughest year of the west than i've ever seen personally at least since that year when a the rockets and the warriors were insane and everybody else was trying to be good with those two teams were like the one and two seed the west are preloaded in that era but yeah we're back to that point where there's a lot of teams that can compete tough man tough but is it going to hear your next team

I'll do my next team because there's one I want to talk about early in the show so we can get to him because they've been in the news a little bit the Brooklyn Nets this team's biggest problem is they don't know what the fuck they are long term or currently they just fired Jock Vaughn over the All-Star break

which was not surprising in a long-term view he was only there as an interim coach that it's kind of like an Antonio Pierce situation where he did well as interim and earned it and the players wanted them, so they gave them the full-time job. It has done nothing of promise since then. And there's been some reporting from different players within the organization

that they've been frustrated with their game plan as of late. They lost in embarrassing fashion by like 40 points to the Celtics in the last game before the break, which seemed to be the breaking point where they said, Jog Fawn, you've got to get the fuck up out of here. And after that game, McHale Bridges went to the podium and basically was saying that this team doesn't know what they're doing offensively. To the press, he was telling them that he feels like the game plan

is just really incoherent. And he said he feels like they have a game plan based around Ben Simmons, but when he's not there, the dribble handoff game isn't there the same that they kind of lose who they are as a team. And, of course, in the wake of this firing, Brian Winhorse, I think, reported that people on this team were frustrated

by Jock Vaughn building too much around Ben Simmons. So, even just on the X's and Nose, what are they doing offensive with this roster, nobody's happy. Camp Thomas has said he's unhappy with it, even though he's, you know, whatever value of player you want to give him. This team turned down

all their picks back from the Rockets when they try to trade from McHale Bridges, they're committed to building around a third option. They don't want to make any type of big move because they want to be competent. Overall, everything involved in this roster doesn't know where it's going right now. If it is genuinely true that they turn down

all those picks from the Houston Rockets, I can't do nothing but pray for those people in Brooklyn because, oh my goodness. Like, right now when I see them, I see the game plan. It's to build around McHale Bridges and then hopefully build around along with Cam Bridges, there's Cam Johnson

and Dorian Finnis Smith who just feels like a less evolved version of Macau Bridges is just so much like redundancy going around everywhere. There's no real plans, just like straight up delusion going on. And I just don't know where to start from this. It just must be coming from like top down

and their organization just reeks of incompetence. Oh, definitely is. Yeah, we've heard it for the jump. Every time Joe Sye touches a mic, he says, I miss the days before Kevin rant and kai reek when we had a good fun team and he wants that again he just decided to hitch that wagon around mcale bridges and put him in a role that he's not really suited to play and i think it's kind of unfair to him honestly yeah listen this is a team we talk all the time about

teams not having direction and this is a team that one has no or within the city of new york and they don't have no sexy players no sexy players no i was like they every time a A road team comes in. The road team has more fans than the Brooklyn Nets in their home arena. And it doesn't matter if that team is on the West Coast, if they're in the Midwest. They are coming in and they are filling up Barclays Center to root for their team. This team needs a, it needs a reset from the top to bottom, right? From GM to coach.

You can't keep having a GM, picking a coach and pick an interim coach, and then you trade half the players on the team. We said this when the trade happened. that all of their players are perfect trade candidates for other team, right? They are fine players to be complementary pieces. They are fine players to be role players. But if you have just a team of role players, this is exactly what you're going to get, right? The NBA is too talented to where you cannot have, you can't have a team without a legitimate, low-level all-star and think that you're going to be competitive, even for the playing.

So they need to figure out who's going to run this team. They need to figure out what they want to be. And if they want to be 42 and 40 and be that fun team, that's fine. But go ahead and do it with a 22-year-old rather than a 28-year-old and you'll be cooking. Damn. Dude, Macau Bridges is 28? Something like that. I think so.

He's not young. He was already an old rookie, so it's not, he's getting up there. Yeah. The funny part to me is how as soon as he got fired, the reporting was that Jock Fawn wanted to build too much around Ben Simmons. And we had a report a while ago that Spencer Dinwiddie was extremely upset wasn't trying wanting to get traded Apparently this is a big part of why

And that's so funny because I'm sure As a player in the organization You're not going to want to be building around Ben Because I'm sure they have lost faith in him Like everybody else has But on the other hand If you're Jacques Vaughn I think it kind of makes sense

Because the only way you can imagine This team having any sort of ceiling Is if they get the most out of Ben And get lucky with his health So I understand wanting to build For a sense of like Prioritizing getting him going because without that you have no ceiling

but that can get tricky when he's not available and the players are like what the fuck are we doing now? Yeah you're right like Ben Simmons coming into the season he was the X factor for the for the trajectory

of their entire organization I tried to tell you both both you guys were all in and was like this is the year like Ben Simmons is back it was more I was hoping for it Isaac sold me I didn't go win it I got and I told you

I told you that when you guys I was hoping for it I told you guys that we are here in February and you guys are homeless because you bet the because you bet the house on Ben Simmons being, you know, comeback player of the year, this is what's going to happen. I, listen. Yeah, I mean, he's back because he's back hasn't held up and it continued not. I understand that, but like it was more like a wishing into existence thing. It was a hot take episode for God's sake. But like, I understand that. And it's not surprising, right? Year after year now, you've seen that his body's not going to support him.

Continue to not support him, right? He's back. now, but he's still not playing back to backs and missing games every now and then. Even when he's on the court, his confidence is still not existing. He doesn't even look at the rim. He runs around and passes the ball, doesn't even try to score because he doesn't want to get fouled, doesn't want to go to the free throw line. What do you do with that? It's tough to build around that.

Y'all are lucky, right? Y'all are lucky. You guys didn't actually bet y'all's house on Ben Simmons. John Vaughn did, right? John Vaughn, Ben, his job on Ben Simmons. He's fine now. That's true. He didn't even got a job because he trusted in Ben Simmons.

So we'll see how that goes. Nickill That's hilarious We're gonna fight Like yo take the video down Thank you Take the video Off the screen

Oh bro Black short We can move on man This is a team This is crazy We can't spend too much time On everybody We're already 35 minutes

And we're talking about two teams So Good grief You guys are fucking Yappers bro Jesus We talked about that 20 minutes ago

Oh by the way As always Mo gave me Mo decides who gets Each team And he always gives me The worst fucking

Teams in the league So I'm not gonna I'm gonna skip Over the Hornets Washington and yeah just those two because he gave me these tanking teams we're not talking about them today no we all got we all we all got like

two to three just trash ass teams my trash teams are the spurs and like the Portland and trillazers like so much more wait wait wait you got the Pistons you got the Pistons you got the Pistons no did I say Pistons my bad I meant to say the Spurs and the Blazers I don't say the Pistons Donvin is just mishearing you no yeah Isaac you said Pistons

I did not I said Trash is trash you guys are talking about trash in different forms that we will not be talking about. Anyways, Mo, who's your first team? Yeah, anyways, moving on to that. The Milwaukee Bucks, they have huge problems to answer. And of course, like a lot of people have already been

super down and out on Doc Rivers, just in general. His reputation hasn't been the best in the NBA community. You know what I'm saying? Leads the league and blown 3-1 leads. Hasn't one-a-way to put anything relative, anything of like substance since like the obama administration back when hummers were out and popping it's been a long time since he had really like any real emotion you know and so him starting out three and seven isn't you know what i'm saying the greatest thing in the world but at the same time you'll see some Milwaukee bucks truthers not to say that on one of them would be like yo

the Los Angeles clippers started out even worse than that and look at them now so can I guess the biggest question for them is can they solve their defense? Is Patrick Beverly, along with Doc Rivers, enough for that? I've said from the start of the season, this team just does not look right. And they got away with it just off a straight up talent. And they're going to continue to like being just straight up. They're going to just straight up be great because of Yannis and James on their roster. They'll have one of the five best offenses in the league. But their defense just continues to be worse and worse and worse. I looked up a random stat earlier before the pod. when it comes to just things like boxing out,

they're the fourth worst team at doing those little things in the entire NBA. They're one of the worst teams in the entire NBA when it comes to forcing turnovers, you know? And the more so the boxing out part just tells me like, yo, this is a straight up effort. You can't squat down a little back a little bit and fling your arms out, like what's going on here, you know?

And so there's a lot wrong with this team. And can they fix it? I don't know. My question is to you guys, do you think they will? Do I think they'll fix it? Like, do they think they'll be a championship contender? Who knows? But listen, in the last 10 games, since they got Doc, they're 3 and 7, like you said.

Dames missed a lot of those games. Chris Melton's missed almost all those games. So I like to punch down to Doc as much as anybody. He's a very underwhelming coach over the years. I'm not putting too much stock in a 3 and 7 record yet. But in that 10 games, they're 12th in defense. So, like, he has came in and fixed some of that low-hanging fruit they had before. The transition defense has gotten better.

The rebound has gotten better. I think they'll probably be. be closer to that than they will what they were early in the season when they were like 25th in defense. So a big problem right now is that like I said, Dan's been hurt. And before the all-star break, he just was not looking good. He had a rough stretch. So I'm honestly getting more concerned about that than I am with their defense, which is not going to be good by any means, but I don't think it'll be like impossible to win with. Yeah. They have, they have a problem now that Doc Rivers is their coach. The defense is like.

It is what it is. I don't think that this team is going to get back to their defensive ceiling. And so at this point, you're just hoping that Dame can knock down enough shots from the perimeter and that Chris Middleton can look somewhat what he looked like a couple years ago before he got hurt. I think for them, it's going to be very, very hard. And you said that you don't want to punch down on Doc Rivers. I don't think I'm punching down when I say they have. I said I do like punching down Doc Rivers.

No, but you didn't want to do it. You don't want to do it right now. Oh, it's not earned. I'll wait till he earns it. I'll wait until he earns it. Right now it's, I'll wait. I'm going to do it right now because they need to do, they need to overcome not only a rough and tumultuous start, but they have to overcome the doc Rivers tax. And because Doc Rivers is scammer of the year, right?

He is. And for Doc Rivers to be on the phone with Bucks manager and be like, yeah, why are you doing this? Like me? you're calling me like I there's a fucking liar yeah he'd do this so it's coming he was probably feeding agent or different to all the wrong information bro he's a gas lighter there's just a lot that you doc rivers has said a lot of stuff over the last like week and a half where you're just like is this what's supposed to be coming out of our head coach's mouth and it feels a little weird um I'm very curious to see what they look like after the all-star break see if they can actually come

together but I think that this team has a lot a lot of things not going for them and it's just I don't know if they're going to be able to solve them they'll be better but it really just depends on what your definition of solving is yeah I think like you said the defense is what it is what it is what they have been in last 10 games the 12th best defense in the league if they can do that if they can be 12th 10th to 12th they'll be fine can play all the time I'm at this point more concerned about can Doc figure out how to maximize Dame?

Dame is just all year hasn't looked like Dame hasn't been comfortable Janice does not want to set screens for every play they got to figure out a way to make those guys coexist and get the most out of them

and that's a tall order we'll see if Doc can do it he's not exactly the X's and knows genius to make it happen I'm not sure that can be fixed I think that's a bigger issue in the defense at this point

yeah the only way that the reason why you trade for Damien Lutter is because you want the Supernova version of Damian Lutter and he's been so very much far from that, you know? There's this viral clip that went on before All-Star Weekend, when the Bucks went against the Minnesota or Memphis Grizzlies,

where he just, like, did not look for a shot whatsoever. And I'd more so blame that towards like, it's the last game before All-Star weekend. No one's going to remember this game. Who cares? But in general, throughout the whole entire season, we all know. Stats said, I'd say Dame hasn't been Dame,

and they just need to figure out a way to coexist on the court. rather than just like existing on the court. Yeah. All right. Cool. I see what you're going for there, but I think one of the words got mixed in there. I'm a bit confused.

When I say coexist, I mean like they need to work together. And when they're on the court, they just are on the court wearing the same jersey. Yeah. They're just existing. You're right. Yeah.

Just wearing the same jersey is a great way to put it. They're just teammates. They're just coworkers. Exactly. That's funny. Yeah. We can move on. We've talked at length about the bucks and their issues.

we all know what they are at this point they're much talked about pain what's your next team Donovan let's see all right we're going to skip I have the Detroit Pistons we're going to skip over them

right everything also I'll say this they need to make sure that Troy Weaver if he is there next year they need to make sure that their future is 100% aligned between GM and coach because they need a lot of changes

personnel-wise, there's still a lot going on. They need to make sure that from the top-down, they understand what they want the Pistons to look like two, three, four years from now because next year is just, next year's lost. They're not doing anything next year. I want to talk about the Miami Heat and the problem that the Miami Heat

are going to have to solve is they are going to have to figure out a way to score the basketball because they are not good offensively. And they've shown us for the last two years that in the half court and just overall, their offense isn't great. They are in the bottom third of the league in offensive rating right now. Since Terry Rozier got there, which I think all of us were very, very high on the

Rozier trade, in the month of February, he shot 15% from three. Now, I do not think that Rozier is going to shoot that for the rest of the year, but it is like kind of concerning that the fit hasn't been as, easy or the transition hasn't been as easy for Rozier to come onto a team that could use his services that well. They're going to have to figure out the defense is also not great, but I think that for them, they're one of those teams where you can just kind of, you know, turn, flip the switch on and they can really, really lock in. They need to figure out how to score because if not, if not, it's going to be a first round exit. Yeah. I mean, I'm not overreacting to the Terry thing yet because

listen 15% is fucking ridiculous obviously so like if any the number one volatility in the NBA is due point shooting if somebody is having a great win streak or a players on a heater and you see they're shooting 55% you know it's not sustainable if they're playing like shit and you see you're shooting 15% it's not sustainable career 37% shooter he's going to get back to it and you know he played like six games and got hurt immediately so that's been tough and I can understand that he are a difficult team to fit into when you you're coming from the Hornets where it's just like pick and roll basic ass basketball and you get to the heat who play a real system and have a very specific style of play but I think the biggest

issue is do they have time for him to get used to that system right like the playoffs aren't that far away he's already hurt we'll see when he comes back I don't know if I don't know if it's right away or not I haven't kept up not a lot of time to fully integrate him into the system before the playoff start yeah they need to I'd be worried about how soon and how much time they have to build that continuity because as like some of us know Jimmy Buller hasn't been around it all for personal reasons. And so with that going on and then I said Tyler Hero, Terro's year going through what he's been going through with the injuries and just not being himself and Tyler Hero being out here like two weeks ago publicly saying like I'm just trying

to find my role and be more of a catch and shoot guy. There's just so much that they're trying to figure out. And you can tell Eric Spolcher has been fighting for his life a couple of podcasts episodes ago or maybe it was a stream 9 or 8 p.m. Monday tune in. Isaac said that bam out of bio. usually goes through his mid-season, two, three weeks out from All-Star break like slumps and he's gone through that. So they're cheeks right now. But do I trust Eric Spolsher to go in and, you know what I'm saying? Get shit right? Like he magically does? Yeah. Yeah. He's he's, listen, he has solved this problem before. And that's why I don't think a lot of us are concerned about whether or not that he had the ability to fix the problem again. But it is a problem,

Right. It happens every year. And so now we're going to have to figure out, can you guys take the step forward? Can you guys start looking like a competent offense? Because when you go, like the East is low key for the taking or at least trying to get to the conference finals with and beat out with Boston and some of their issues. There's a path to the conference finals. And if Miami starts to click, I think a lot of people will start to trust them a little bit more. So, yeah, let's figure out this offense thing, Eric. Eric, I like it. That's hilarious. Next team we're going to talk about, let's talk about the Timberwolves, who I think are a very interesting team. You know, throughout the whole season, we've been high on them, but trepidaciously, you know, every time we do like a tier list type thing, we're like, they're A tier for sure. They're one of the best teams in the league.

Top four in the conference, obviously. Top three, fair. But we're very hesitant to put them with the, top tier competition of the Nuggets, the Celtics, and the Clippers, who I think right now are clearly the top three teams in the league. Because we've been a little bit concerned about their offense, particularly in the half court and how it's going to look come playoff time. You know, obviously they're winning with top tier defense, but offensively for most of the year, they've been a little bit subpar compared to the other contenders in that realm. And that's obviously something

that comes to light come playoff time. And I've actually been a little more impressed them over the last 10 games. I think they've been better than people realize offensively. They've risen up to having the 12th best half-court offense. So I'm getting a little bit less concern with that as time goes on. Let's talk about the Monti-Mor's effect. It hasn't been that long, but yeah. But my biggest thing I think they have to solve

is the turnover issue and whether or not you can trust Anthony Edwards and Carlin-Lincoln Town in a playoff series to be late-game decision-makers because even if the half-court offense is going to be good like it is now, there's 12th in the league for the whole season, which I imagine that must be

they must be like top six in the last 10 games. In a playoff series where you're going to say you play the Clippers, they're going to play a heavy switch defense against you. They're going to make Carl Anthony Towns attack smaller guys. They're going to make Anthony Edwards attack bigger guys, right? This team is 28 in the league and turnover percentage because those two lead offensive players aren't the best passers in the world,

aren't the best decision makers. And I think in a playoff setting where you ratchet up their defense and you really try to take away what they do well, there's going to be a ton of pressure on them to really make plays for themselves and others. and that's the biggest thing that they have to continue to really strengthen

as the season ends. Okay, I like it. I like it. Yeah, I think, I think that for them it's funny because like you say it's a problem, but it's really a question

of can you trust them? Right? Because I guess, yeah, because they are really are. Yeah, you're not going to change, you're not going to rewire Anthony Edwards' brain in three weeks. You're not going to rewire

the way that cat thinks or looks at the floor. in three, four weeks. And so it's, it's a, it's a question. I want to know, I want to know what they're going to be able to do. And right now, even though that they are the, the one seed, I think I would have the, I think I trust them the fourth most in the Western conference behind. Yeah. I think I trust them on the Thunder right now. I'm starting to believe in them more. Interesting. Okay. Welcome to the bandwagon. Yeah, just because, uh, I'm putting faith in Chris Finch. I think you said it's a question.

I think the question is going to come down to preparation and can Chris Finch put them in a position to succeed and do his part X's and O's wise to, like I said, put them in position to succeed with those turnover issues and like really attack the weaknesses of the other teams well. And I think I buy him being able to do that. Yeah. Okay. I can agree with that for sure because there's just some things that are, you just don't

have an answer for as a coach and that's just like straight up size and my players are imposing the will against your players. There's no thing you can do about it. But at the same time, when it comes to other things on the court, like, where I might slightly disagree with you, as I guess, like, will the players like Carr Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards perform and make those right decisions? That, I don't know. Yeah, again, it comes down, I guess it comes down to matchup at the end of the day because... Exactly.

They're not good at that, right? Like I said, the 28th and turnover percentage, this is a team that will put the ball on the ground and give you a way to get back into games. I guess top competition, that's a hard thing to come across on any given. night where it's a close game and that can be the late game decision making that decides the game. So, yeah, I don't know if it's a problem they can solve, but it's the biggest problem because otherwise than that, they're pretty fucking great right now. They are immaculate and also they just resigned Mike Conno to a two-year deal, which is like fantastic news. I think a lot of people were sledding him out in potential like off-season scenarios. I was one of them at least.

And to see that they like just retained him is a great, it's a great sign. All right, we move off from them quickly, though. You know, they're one of the more positive teams in Leigh right now. Not a lot of big problems. What's your next team of? I think by far, at least to me, the most interesting team in the NBA has been the New Orleans Pelicans because they've been so good. But they've been so good, but not in the way that a lot of people would imagine them being good.

They're a much better defensive team than any of us could imagine with a team that has a front court of Zion Williamson and Jonas Valentine's who absolutely do not have reputation have a reputation of being good defenders in the NBA you know and um they're up to seventh on defense in the year I didn't even realize it they're up to seven bro that that just doesn't make any sense but all that does tell me is like what willie green has been doing his game plan offensively has been good and defensively he's been absolutely cooking now for the for the new ones pelicans like I have slight worries though because if you look at some of the net ratings between lineups that involve, like, guys like Brandon

Ingram and Zion Williamson and C.D. McComb, who are obviously the three most highest paid players on the team, their big three, has it been great, you know? And whenever you don't have those three in there, and you have some combination of either like Trey Murphy or Herb Jones or whoever else you want to throw in there. Extra shooters, looks a lot better. And this just tells me what we've been saying since like the start of the season. We've been questioning. just how good your team could be when they're being led

by Brandon, Brandon Ingram and Zion Williamson. And that's like the end-all when it comes to how far they'll go in the playoffs.

Yeah, so what's your reason problem? Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram and how far these two will go eventually. Yeah. Yeah, again,

it's tough when we've talked about it at length already that these two players don't really complement each other. They're not getting the most at a Zion with a Brandon Ingram and a Cedra McCollum and a Trey Murphy

and a Jonas Van Tunis and everybody else around them that has to eat, they don't prioritize Zion enough, I don't think. And it's going to be hard because, listen, the defensively, I was looking at the numbers. They are currently 29th in the league in amount of threes given up. They give up a ton of threes because they don't want to give up

at the rim and they help off and let you take corner threes. So they give up the second most, but right now they're first in the league in percentage shot against them. So they let you shoot there a lot and the people aren't making them right now, which to me, screams a little bit inconsistent. I mean, what's the word? Fluky? Unsustainable. Yeah, because if you like people shoot there a lot and they just don't make them at a certain

point has nothing to do with you, which maybe they're good at deciding who shoots those threes. But in the playoff series, that's going to be a harder and harder thing to be consistent at. So I don't know. But something, while you say that, they are the sixth best team in the NBA when it comes to not letting teams score in the paint. So collapse a whole lot, you know what I'm saying? And I don't know really what to do with that stat sometimes because if you look at who's number one, it's the fucking like Chicago Bulls is just like, okay, interesting. But a game plan is working and they're getting there figuring out ways to utilize what Zion Williams and Nuns, which is just like

take up a lot of space and Yon Jonas Valchunis is a big body. So like, if you're a Pelicans fan, you should be happy and proud of what this team has been able to do. But can they hit that next gear with that duo, not really sure. That's the problem. Interesting. All right. Cool. All right. What's the next team, Donovan? We're going to talk about the Memphis Grizzlies, who are horrendously down bad right now. However, I don't think that that's their biggest problem. I think that they're biggest, because you know John's going to, you know John's going to come back. You know at the start of next season, everybody's going to be healthy. They need to figure out a way to replace Stephen Adams who they shipped out, right? For them, Stephen Adams was

a very, very underrated piece in the things that they, that they did. When he, last year, when he was healthy, but he wasn't on the floor, they were one of the worst teams in terms of rebounding, offensively and defensively. They need to figure out a way to really get a, to get a big man, get a center who can play alongside Jaron Jackson and let Jaron do all the things that he's great at, right? They have a lot of young pieces. You have the offensive challenge with Jha. that big man position

to be complimentary with Jaron that's their biggest need right now and if they can figure that out then they're going to be fine because the last time we saw something like that together they were the two seat in the West and so that's their biggest issue for me

and now they got Vince Williams Jr. and G.G. Jackson as a wing duo who are going to be awesome for them long term Vince Williams, great defender. G.G. Jackson, super skilled shooter able to put the ground, the ball on the ground a little bit. I think, yeah, I agree.

If they can fix that position that they just need to replace now, they're going to be nice next year. Yeah, I agree. But also, they're going to have a high draft pick to potentially trade or pick a center. So there's a path of them getting a new Stephen Adams replacement. Yeah, exactly. They have some, they have like a multitude of ways to get there. And this is just like, I hate to say like, I don't want to say injuries or whatever,

anything is like good. But this is just another format, another way to look at the positive situations in such a dark time for Memphis basketball currently. Dark time Yeah I got killed Jogges hurt his shoulder Yeah

Jod's hurt his shoulder And they traded one of the most Likeable players in the entire NBA Or at least like likeable to me and Stephen Adams It's honestly one of the most Unfortunate seasons in a long time Like the amount of injuries they've had It's like comical

They already had to go through bullshit At the start of the season And then nine games in Our first game that Jaws back We literally witnessed him Head a game winner We were stuffing wings down our throats Pause

But yeah It's just down horrendous right now, bro. That was crazy. Was I not telling the truth? All right, next team. I don't even remember. Next team. All right, man.

Let's talk about the Toronto Raptors. Let's get them out of the way. Poop. Their biggest problem right now is since making the move to build your team around Scotty Barnes and Emmanuel quickly, both those two guys have had to come into a new role of sorts. And Scotty Barnes is playing next to Pascal Seacom and OG and Nobie. So he played a tertiary role offensively.

even though they were prioritizing him more this year. But, you know, Seacom demands a lot of attention. He's, you know, volume shooter. And O.G. Anobie is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and always took the hardest assignment every night. Since those trades, Scotty Barnes has had to move up to be the number one offensive option and basically the number one defensive option, stepping into OJNobie's role. That slowed him down a little bit.

But the biggest problem is that him and quickly are not on the same page at all. And Mennon quickly is also having to adjust to playing a bigger role in a team. You know, he's a six man before. Now he's the lead guard there. He had a comment The media today actually At their first practice back Where somebody asked him about that

Adjusting to his new role And he's like listen I was the fucking fourth name On the depth chart In my last team Teams were not worried about me They weren't game planning How to stop me

And now they are And I think the numbers bear that out Whenever those two guys Are on the court together They have a minus 2.5 net rating Which you look at any team In the league's best two players Being on the court together

If you look at the best teams In league at Jamal Murray and a Yokic It's gonna be like a plus 12 Or something Like even mediocre teams I'm sure you can look at, I don't know, Zion and Ingram, they're still going to be plus five or whatever. So it'll be minus 2.5 net rating when you're both your best players play together.

It's just a terrible place to start and shows that they aren't on the same page at all. Emmanuel, get in the lab, right? That's what this summer should be about. Don't go anywhere. Don't go on these trips. Get in the gym. Work on your game, right? because that is a, it's a legitimate, like, issue for a lot of guys.

And we talk all the time about making the jump from good to great is one of the hardest jumps in, in the NBA. And now, like, now that that he is experiencing this and everybody is, is game planning for him, he's going to have to, he's going to have to figure it out. I have confidence in him that he will, especially because Toronto doesn't really have any other option outside, outside of Emmanuel quickly. figuring it out. But yeah, this is, listen, go get your 2K VC, right? Upgrade your attributes, do what you got to do. But that's the Gatorade training center.

That's really all it comes down to. Yeah, man, again, this is like you said, it's a normal thing, but comes to time, you know, they need to take their lumps and need to be put in the situation. And that's what this year is for. So the biggest problem that need to solve is can they get them enough reps this year? So going into next year, they're prepared to be in these new roles. Yeah, exactly. I can 100% agree with that. But, Hey, on the positive outlook for Toronto Raptors fans, if Emmanuel quickly doesn't end up being that guy and he has to be relegated back to a bench roll,

it's not the end of the world because there's a certain Rob Dillingham in this upcoming draft who would be a perfect next to Scotty Barnes and I have good news for Raptors fans. They ain't winning shit this year. They're going to be in the lottery. Oh. Yeah, exactly. There's a strong chance that they keep that pick.

And another positive thing, too, is like RJ Barrett has been actually playing good consistent basketball. and I guess him being home turned him into a different player he's been making all of his shots still been struggling from the free throw line per usual RJ Barrett things but he's looking like a real

sustainable option which is always like really nice and useful to have. Yeah. Well, there you go. What's your next team? Mo. Yeah, so leading into my next team

one of the best teams in NBA, the Cleveland Cavaliers. Actually, as the last like what, 20 games, the best team in NBA, quite literally. the Cuban cavaliers. It's been insane. It is very hard to call out a specific problem for this team because they've switched up the entire flow of their identity due to personnel changes, aka injuries happening earlier in the season. And they've been thriving. And now, since then,

Evan Mobley, Darius Garland, have been back in the mix doing their thing. But specifically, Evan Mobley has been making a conservative effort to like start hitting three. freeze on a consistent basis. I think he's, I said conservative. I don't know why I said that. But anyways, concerted effort. Yeah, I'm going to say I'm going to let you cook. Yeah, I say conservative. That's fucking hilarious. Um, but yeah, no, like, if I was to look at this Cleveland Cavaliers team who have been hitting it on all cylinders, my question is, can they figure out how to use the best lamps possible in the playoffs? Will certain guys be okay, like sitting at the end of the end of the bench,

will there ever be a future of Evan Mobley and Jared and Jared out and playing together? I just don't know how all this blends in really well for the future. Yeah. The bigger problem to me right now is Darius Garland. Evan Mobley has looked pretty good since coming back. Like you said, most games he's played in so far. He's hit most of his threes.

Still not shooting at a very high volume, but working on it, making the effort and it's been effective. Darius Garland is still a work in progress, you know? He's the one that they definitely to figure out how to maximize him with the way Donovan Mitchell's playing this year, where you're not going to want to take the ball back

out of Donovan Mitchell's hands at all? He's been their lead guard all year and he's been fantastic at it. Where does Darius Garland fit into that equation with his game? That's very on ball oriented. Yeah, that's a very good call out. That's a very good call out.

They have so many decisions to make over these next, what, six, seven months or so and it all looms around Donovan Mitchell. But yeah, I think you may be cooking with that one. Maybe Darius Garland may be like the most expendable piece out of like the three, which the three being Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, and

Darry's Galen. And if that's the case, then goddamn, they just put themselves in the fucking driver's seat and can do a lot of different things in the offseason. Yeah. It's really, I don't know, it's interesting because I feel like a lot of the problems for a lot of these teams, they're very macro outside of like the top teams,

but we know like what the issues are for the caps. Like we've talked about this for a year and a half with the pelicans we've talked about this for a year and a half the question what a problem that a lot of these teams have to solve is are you going to have the balls to do something about it right we i think it's very clear that as good as the calves are right now they're not going to win a championship with these four guys you're going to get to a point in the playoffs and this is sure i'm i'm very sure and i think with those four i promise you i would that the cabs are not going to win the you would do that you're that confident wow yeah but

but i but i do think that most question is valid is that is are one of the guys going to be okay if they're not out on the floor or are we even going to get to the point where those guys aren't out on the floor and are are all four of them just going to play out of out of pride i don't think they're i don't think they're making the finals i don't think that they're going to win the finals and but that's i don't know a lot of the stuff that we've been talking about i've been I've been kind of quiet because I've been sitting here just thinking about a lot of, like, the issues I'm like, we kind of like, we kind of know, like, what's going on? And they feel very obvious in a way that when we were planning for this episode, I didn't think that they were as obvious. But hearing everybody say it, it feels that way.

Yeah. Well, we can just pick other issues that aren't the obvious ones. I know. Yeah. Talk about. Yeah. Great Darius Garland. There's got to be that.

Maybe it's our fault. We didn't pick the right problems. That's serious. The problem is time. Yeah. But they're interesting team. Yeah. We need time to go ahead and see what the fuck

They got going on Yeah, it's just It is what it is that they have conflicting play styles That it's not a thing like It is with the Pelicans where I think inevitably they have to make a change That I don't think it's going to work long term I think it's possible

We're seeing this team be really good You just got to figure out the ways to make it work right Figure out the ways to divvy up the Offensive possessions Figure out the ways to stagger Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland To get the most out of all of them very possible adjustments to make

can jb biggerstaff do it we'll see yeah tragic all right cool all right who's next let's move on to another team and another team that has a very obvious flaw we're going to talk about the indiana pacer's and the fact that they can't guard anybody

and they are going to need to figure out how to defend because right now they have the fifth worst defense in the league even after even after getting pascal the lineups with Tyrese and Pascal on the floor are amazing defensively. And obviously, their style of play leads them to not be great defensively, right?

They have made a concerted effort to play a very fast and up and down, very free-flowing style of basketball. But I think that if you are going to have Pascal, who's a solid defender and you're going to have Tyrese, as your as your point guard you're going to need to fill in the gaps very well with with defenders and I think that that's something that they kind of tried to do where Bruce Brown right bringing him in but now that now that Bruce Brown is gone and now that Buddy Heald is gone the the rotation around those two guys is very very open to have a lot a lot of like good to elite defenders and they're going to have to figure out a way to really lock down because it's kind of the same thing that we're talking about with the Kings last year where next year if you don't have the best offense

in the NBA history, if you don't have the best offense in the league, you're going to have to kind of, you know, come right back down to the middle and the defense is going to be the way that they're going to do it. That sounds like if they don't evolve eventually and like tighten up on some of those things, that sounds a very Sacramento Kings esk to me. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I don't think they'll get to that point, though, because Tyrese is great. And that's fair. But they did the hard part, right? The hard part is upgrading at talent.

The hard part is getting somebody else who's all NBA into the building. And they accomplished that. So now you have two players who are, what, top 35, top 30 in the league that you can build your team around. You got the guy who didn't really want to be there in Buddy Healed. You got him out of there. And now let's start to build, right? next year. Let's see if we can upgrade with some more star talent or

just really build around the margins defensively. I think the biggest problem is, is Benedict Mathion ever going to pass the ball or play defense at any point of his career? Is he ever going to decide to do something other than get a bucket? That's my biggest worry for them because he's a swing factor in their development of this team. Obviously, Seacum and Tyrese are who they are.

Great starting point. Miles Turner is a fantastic senator to play next to stars. The wings are the biggest question. We know Neesmith is going to be a 3-and-D guy. We don't really necessarily need a big jump from him. But that shooting of our spot is open now with Buddy Hild out the door. Ideally, it'll be Matherin long term. But right now, I think he has a lot of development room that we've yet to see progress in. Average and listen to assist a game, which is a very, you know, simplistic way of viewing his passing ability.

But you watch him, you don't see anything much better either. I regularly see Patriot fans I follow complaining about him that just black hole right now. and if he's not going to make a big leap, that's the position they need to upgrade in the offseason with the money they have. I'm not sure how much caps a case they're going to have. I forget, but to me, it's fine in the shooting guard of the future. That's going to be the big swing piece for them.

That's a very fair assessment. But I will say again, to the people out there at home, why are you surprised? This is the same dude who came in before you played a single game in the NBA who said he was like, yo, I'm the best player in the NBA. He was like, I'm better than LeBron. Just straight up, just laying those groundworks out there. That right there should just tell you, I know, man, we might be cutt when he comes to expecting him to develop as a playmaker in any type of form or limelight at all, bro.

They had this man coming off the bench for Buddy Healed, who was even a deeper black hole, bro, and Andrew Nebhard sometimes, bro. So it's like, can he ever grow out of that? Don't fucking know. Only time can tell. But if he does, you're absolutely right. Isaac, he is a swing factor. The X man, whatever word that you, whatever word that you want to use for him, he'll take them to that next level and be that third option that every team. would love to comfortably have side note buddy hildo's been a fucking flame thrower in the

four games he played with the six years that obviously they have no droll and b so somebody has to take a lot of shots he's shooting 10 3s a game shooting 45 percent is not missing wow this man man two four two boss man really fucking hated the streets of god damn i don't blame my is it because hey i ain't going to lie to you as soon as i got out of that goddamn city i started waking up and sleeping a lot better bro team. Let's talk about the Golden State Warriors. Let's talk about a fan favorite. Another team people want to hear us talk about. I think their biggest problem is can Draymond Green but the full-time center forever? Is that sustainable for him for the team?

Is that going to cause rebounding issues long term? And I guess the question, the bigger question is the answer to that's probably no, right? I imagine they don't want him to be a full-time center forever. So it's, what's the alternative? What do you do if not have to be center forever? because clearly playing Kavana Luni is not an answer for them as they're trying to maximize Jonathan Kaminga maximize Draymond himself and everything so I guess my problem they have to solve

is what's the counter to that and you know in a playoff setting we've seen them go to this for years so it's nothing new but to do it for a sustained period of time 30 more regulars using games plus that being the norm going to the playoffs that brings a lot of pros right like I said it's maximize Kaminga

the passing that he brings on the five full time has been awesome. It's just been like what we've seen they do in spurts but as the main look but it brings negatives too right? They're a very small team. They're really relying on Wiggins to have max energy and really bring them rebounding and I don't know if you can rely on that full time.

Yeah, I feel so like it's so nice to see them playing great basketball and Draymond being like this is one of the best versions of Ramon that we've seen in a couple of years and that's a lot to say because like they literally won a championship in 2022 but with all that being said like

you need counters in the playoffs and I'm not sure if they have the answer to that on their roster currently so yeah I agree with you I think that's a perfect answer that's a perfect question to ask for this team because if you're going against a team like the middle of the timber rules or the what's another big team out there that's pretty obvious obviously there's Denver nuggets like are you going to do once that Serbian dude turns his back around like I said bro The Lakers, you don't do anything. You don't do anything. They don't have, they don't have any counters.

No, this is, this is an awesome view. Get someone from the tasers, get someone from the stands again to tase them. That's the only option. You can't do that because that's a felony. I forgot about, I forgot about it. Today, they play the Lakers in the playing tournament. That's a big fucking team. You can do it in one game, right?

If it's a one game series or one game sample size, you might be able to steal one. This, they, they have been so down bad that this is the, one thing that has like worked and revived them and finally you have draymont on the floor for a consistent amount of time where he's not going crazy this is who the warriors are moving forward so good and bad yeah this is this is what it's going to be and so they're going to have to it's funny if they had you know if they had a very athletic big man right somebody who could room run and jump high someone like hilarious like what we thought like what we thought James wise men could be, they could be cooking, but they don't. And so this is what, this is what they

are. You know what will be super useful? In these last 10 games, they're sixth in defense, fourth in offense, and second in a rebound percentage. Can that be sustainable? Is my question? That's the problem is that, I guess it's not even a problem. I guess this is more of a question because in the 10 games with Jeremy on here, they've done everything right. So I guess I'm kind of framing it as if it's a problem when so far it's not. So far it's been completely effective and everything you'd want from them. But you see the right. It's just the problem. Yeah, well, the problem is just the problem is just like you're all your eggs are in this basket and like most said you need counters are they going to have options are they going to have another look they can go to or is this the bed that

they're putting themselves into and this is the look they're going to have to go with in every playoff series look man if i am the golden state wars i'm paying very close attention to the streets to the jails the prisons of detroit to see if that man isaiah stewart is out there if he's available has he been cut yet because if we all know he recently just punched the fuck out of Drew U-Banks, you know what I'm saying? And I ain't going to lie to you. I said that shit was slight. You said it was a weak punch.

I ain't going to lie, bro. If that was weak, you wouldn't have took his ass to court. Exactly. Exactly. It's embarrassing, kind of. But, yeah, man, like, honestly, I'm seeing so deep into the future. And I'm not sure how feasible this option can be long-term.

I mean, if they play it have been, it's very feasible and they'll be fantastic, but we'll see. And honestly, the biggest problem. problem is Clay Thompson. I'm just trying to skate around it. Think of something else creative. Tragic. He actually, yeah, he got benched for the first time in a minute before the All-Star game or whatever. But anyways, I guess if I guess we go ahead and move on. Let's go ahead and talk about some ass real quick, okay? The Portland Troblasers. Damn, the cue. Producing a cue. Dude, you're not doing yourself any good. Right now, this man is rubbing his hands like

He's goddamn birdman. Look at his lips and all that. Oh my goodness, DeKio. Back up. We can see you. Or at least I can't. Binding his lips,

applying a lotion to his hands. Facts. Facts, bro. He's ready. But, oh, shit. We're talking about Kyle Lari. Let's go.

Oh, man. Let's talk about some ass. Someone who just let us down and always let Isaac down specifically because he was the most high into it. And I don't think he talked to me to this one. But DeAndre Aiden, holy fuck.

Dude, what the fuck happened? Your job is so simple, you know? Well, it's not really nice. But goddamn, can you just be like, good? Because right now, it's fucking, like, I don't know who would be more useful in NBA court these days. DeAndre Jordan or DeAndre Aton. It doesn't fucking matter, bro.

Give me either. I'll choose, I'll probably choose Aiton or Jordan on a fucking better night, bro. It's just so bad right now. He hasn't done much productive this, he hasn't done anything much productive this season. And he's not looking like he's like a valuable piece going, towards the future whatsoever. He's just one of those,

meh, just a contract type of dude. And for someone who's that young, just drafted in 2018, that's not what you want to see or hear and have to experience as a Blazes fan, man. Tough. Why is he taking less shots than he did last year? Oh, my God.

There's volume. That's the biggest issue. He's less efficient, but it's not that huge of a difference. He's at a 50, no, my idea is a big difference. He's at 56% effective football percentage. last year he's at 59 so he's less efficient but why is the volume lower why is he not getting

the why is he not my biggest issue with them is we don't talk enough about chancy billups being one of the least impressive coaches in the league and we give him a pass because they're rebuilding and there's been other shitty coaches on more popular teams chansy blobs than nothing impressive with his team whatsoever this team is incoherent they are not playing a solid ball like I think volume of shots is a system issue more than is necessarily just him he hasn't been perspective with it, but if you aren't putting in a system that makes the guy that you're giving all this money to put some position to take more shots, what are you doing? They don't know, they want Malcolm Brogan to cook for some reason.

They want a veteran presence. He gets a lot of minutes when he's healthy. Anthony Simons hasn't been that great because they're, again, incoherent. He's taking bad shots. Scoot Henderson has been up and down because they're incoherent. Their office doesn't know what the fuck is going on. It's like watching the nets. It's just a lot of free movement and a lot of nothingness that puts nobody in position to succeed.

I don't know why we're not talking more about Chauncey Billups doing a terrible job but his whole tenure there Well it's like what do you expect to do For this man to do Oh my God lead us with a team full of like Damien Lillardin Justice Winslow and Nazeer Little

Not just as well as past that era But Nazir Little lead us man He hasn't had those real expectations So that's why he's been able to like skate by He's made the pieces worse He's the reason to look like shit DeAndre Aiden Bid ass though Literally Devin Booker and CP3 got his ass

Because he just doesn't fucking try This is just Deandre Aiden I think it's not only just Chauncey Billups, it's also like DeAndrean just who he might be. Folks been telling us this for a minute now. But I'm just him. Anthony Simons, if you watch him play, his numbers are down now for a decent start

because he takes bullshit shots because they don't generate good looks at all. I've watched them a few times over the past couple weeks because I have Anthony Simons my fantasy team. So I'm going to watch them a little bit. Praying yours. Bullshit basketball, bro. I try to watch a little bit also for Scoot

to see you get a feel for how he's been playing. Bullshit basketball. bro that team is ass and we put all the question all the attention to the wizards to the hornets the pistons this team is just as atrocious from the top down it's honestly pitiful to watch this is hilarious you guys have a lot to get off your chest about the blazers man i hate this team bro i think i mentioned the last episode i forget why but they just they're skating by because nobody gives a shit and it's unfair they need more criticism we need the shit on them more Yeah, they son, man.

It's okay. They'll be fun. They'll be fun. They're so ass. They mean, they won't be fine. But it's okay. All right. Is it my turn?

Wait, is it your time? No, your turn. I think it's Donna. All right. Let's, uh, one, one, two or three. Somebody say a number. Two. Woo.

Look at us in sync. Look at that. We're going to talk about the Boston Celtics now. The problem with the Boston Celtics that they are going to have to answer is, can you guys not be dumb in the last five minutes of the game? Damn. They, offensively, if you look at their clutch numbers, they're actually one of the best clutch teams in the league.

They are top five in offensive rating and defensive rating in the league. The problem is, I test, it feels off whenever it gets down to the clutch. Numbers-wise, their turnover percentage drops to 12th in the league. It's the only, it's one of the main things in terms of like their clutch offense or the clutch stats that isn't on par with the rest of everything else that they do in terms of like, you know, like offensive rating, defensive rating, rebounding percentage, all that type of stuff. The turnover percentage falls way down to 12th. And if they can tighten up just a little bit, they can hold on to the ball a little bit in close game situations. I think that over a regular season, you're going to be able to stack up when. you're going to be able to, you know, eventually, like,

talent your way to some wins on, like, a Tuesday night or whatever. If we're in the playoffs and that turnover percentage and you are not taking care of the ball down the stretch of games, those are swing games. You are going to eventually lose out on those. So my thing for them is, is Jalen Brown going to, you know, is he going to be able to contain himself, right? When he's handling the ball, is Tatum going to be able to make the correct decisions?

are Derek White and Drew Holiday going to be enough of playmakers to set everybody else up in late game situations? That is my question. That is the problem that they have to solve. And if they do solve it, they're winning a championship.

But it's a very big if right now. You say the numbers are fine, but the eye test looks bad, which is a funny way to fucking frame it. Like, by the way, this isn't true, but it feels this way. I know what you mean. Yeah.

Because the game, I think the difference is there, you're probably remembering the games where Chris House, Porzingis doesn't play because they are night and day different teams. When he's not out there, that offense goes to shit in the final minutes of the game. When he's there, they're largely fine. So he's the biggest swing factor. But I think the biggest reason it feels that way is because they just don't get to the rim at all. You know, it was well talked about Jason Tatum likes to take

jumpers like he's built like Steph Curry when really he's built like LeBron James. And he doesn't understand that and doesn't know the gravity he has as a slasher refuses to do it. And that's been the biggest problem, right? The 27th and rim volume. That stands out in the end of games whenever you have 47 minutes of games played, your legs are tired, you're already a three-point heavy team. You're probably going to resort to that because, listen to the other team, they have Yonnes in the pain. They're not going to want you to get there. They're going to make it real hard, even hard than it did beforehand when you already weren't getting there. You're going to kick out to that shooter. You're going to fall into those habits at the end of the games

whenever you're gassed. That stands out extremely in those situations for them. Tough scene, man. Yeah, I can definitely agree with that. And I see. all those along with like the already natural flaws that we thought that they that their top two players have the redundancy is still there but it looks and feels better than um previous years especially last year Drew Holiday has been doing Drew Holiday things very underrated um when it comes to how he's been quarterback in the back end of their divets and whatnot but those still problems still lie and there again like we can't say anything and leave like or at least I can't say anything and have major

predictions about them until I see what happens and yeah like I see those same problems for sure. Yeah. They're going to make the fucking finals, man. They're one of those teams. There's not much to say. No, no, that's the thing.

The difference between them is are you going to just make the finals or are you going to win it? Right? That's where we're at with Boston is win the championship or not. This is like the one of the few flaws that they actually have. So, yeah, that's a, that's a problem for them.

Yeah, they're one of the most flaws teams. Yeah, they're really got to pick a straws with them because they're so damn near perfect. Yeah, exactly. But they're the one of the most flawless teams in the entire NBA. Like, during the trade deadline, they, everyone, all the Boston Celtics fans are fucking maniacs. Of course, every NBA team thinks, like, or every NBA fan thinks they have major flaws. But they went ahead and, like, traded for Jan and Springer. And I'm like, God, damn, when does the rich stop getting richer?

Like, Dana Springer's a nice player, but whatever, side tangent, like, I agree. We can move on. to the next team. Teams actually playing it on the screen right now, the Atlanta Hawks. Ass. God damn. There's like so much to dive into

since we've last talked about the Hawks. They have been like a ton of Tray Young, trade rumors flying around and stuff like that. But when it comes to just like what's wrong with the scene, we all know. We all saw that Dante Murray rumors. I'd like to go ahead and take the spotlight onto someone else. So and not saying something that like everyone

basically knows or what. whatever. So Clint Capella. He's very much on Andre Drummond type of timing. All the Hawks fans, your Hawks fans, you know, you know, you fucking know. Every time this dude gets an offensive rebound, he puts this bitch up immediately. Someone could be cutting right in front of his face. He's not passing the ball to you, buddy. He's throwing that bitch up. He is bricking it because sometimes he has other mitts on when he's close to the rim. How? I don't know. They're probably invisible, bro. Clint Capella, he leads the league when it comes to

tip in attempts. That is very impressive. That just means you have to get a lot of rebounds. But at the same time, he shoots 40% on those tip-in pretempts. The only player in the NBA, 40% is disgusting. Right behind him is DeAndre or Andre Drummond right now. It's disgusting basketball that we're witnessing.

And I've had to deal with this for the entire tenter. Right now, it's just. just at an all-time bad for him right though that's it it's trash damn yeah andrew drum time in for real that's crazy wow what a yeah for the audio listeners to keel pulled the graphic that mo's referencing the most tipping attempts this season 80 attempts for clint 40% under drummond has 74 attempts for 39% like like donna said literally andre drummond time they're head and shoulders above the rest of the league next one after that is anthony davis at 59 attempts a whopping 64% this man doesn't miss those Jesus Christ

those two guys stand alone in their own tower of shit that's crazy listen listen not not too much not too much because Wembe is down there 43 and a half percent he's not not too far behind the attempt is 19 years old the attempts are not there but that's not what I want to see from Wemby it's not yeah Wembe you're 7 5 built like a string bean you're 7 5 I can't wait figure it out. I don't care if you're 19. I don't care if you're 14. Here's 7.5,

get the tip-ins. You can have the nasty's arguments against this man, bro. And I cannot wait to bring this shit up. I love, listen. I love Wemby, though. I love Wembe. That's my guy. I wish I could say that about Klincapella. Long story short, we can go ahead and turn the page. Klingapela needs to be gone from the Hawks. It's on Yaku Kongu's time to fucking shine. Let's go. I saw another name on there. Evisa Zubach was also a 43 percent. That can transition me to my next team, the Los Angeles Clippers. This team's biggest problem. Again, this is another team

similar to the Celtics that doesn't really have a big problem right now. They're kind of on fucking fire. Up there with the Nuggets as the two favorites to get out of the conference most likely. I think they're in the... Those two teams plus Celtics are the inner circle title contenders. I'm going to pick a weakness of this team.

It's probably dealing with size. Isn't the biggest team in the world, you know? James Hardin, Paul George, Kauai. Who's the other starter I'm blinking on? Terrence Man Terrence Man and Zubatch Yeah

After Zubach It's a very small team Kauai is essentially their power forward And it's not a huge problem You know Brings more pros and cons But we've seen them lose

The Timberwolves twice In the past month Obviously they got to deal With the Nuggets who have A certain somebody That's a 7-2 A 7-2 A 7-foot monster

It's coming to eviscerate Zubach In a playoff series In those games Against the Timberwolves We've really seen The Timber Wolves Like entire blueprint for how to win games

work. They outsize them they beat them up on the rebounds. The Timberwolves had a 33% offensive rebound percentage. Ridiculous. You're getting offense rebound on a third of your shots is absurd. The Timberwolves got to the rim 41% of the time in that game 83%. They shot 78% at the rim that game.

You go through all the different signifiers that would make you think about size and the Timberwolves really succeed against the Clippers. You know, it's just a couple game sample size, but it makes sense right Kauai Leonard is your second biggest player in your starting lineup that's not

the biggest starting lineup in the world you know not the strongest rebounding core a lot of pressure on James Harden to rebound and play defense. Paul George has to really lock in and I can just see a world where if you're already not the biggest team and the two biggest threats in your conference are fucking gigantic

that could be an issue to figure out and you know they have one PJ Tucker sitting on ice waiting to pull at any moment and you guess why they're saving him for a playoff series to throw him out there and go harassed card on anything towns we'll see but some to monitor on a very close to perfect team all right yeah yeah no it makes it makes it makes sense it makes sense i i don't i don't think that there's much to say they have all stars at nearly every other position so it's like yeah it's either zubatch a terrorist man that we're singling out um all right cool no i i i i 100% agree with that

the clippers have are one of the most flawless teams crazy to say now of looking back on what they were in the first 10 games in the NBA season but size is the only real thing and I believe like almost every single team in the entire western conference except for maybe like two can say similar things to them but it just really hurts a team like the clippers because they're just as strapped as that as everyone else um I don't want you give me three teams I don't want to talk about so I'm going to skip the hornets Washington and jazz after that I have two more teams left I don't how many you guys have left. I currently have four teams left. Damn. I know. Yeah. And I have five. I guess the two like most interesting teams to talk about right now, uh, that I have left are the Oklahoma

City Thunder and the Houston Rockets. For the Houston Rockets, we can just like get straight into that one right there. They need to figure out one of, one of the biggest problems that they have is Jalen Green. Obviously, we know that he's been, he's starting to get like phased out of of their young core. Of course, I said it earlier in the season. Goddess chain snatched by Alfred Sengoon. Dylan Brooks is now like one of the more important factors of their team. Fratman Vitt now runs that show.

Amman Thompson is there and also Cam Whitmore. As time goes on and on and on and on, it seems like he might be the answer for this team, long-term solution at that two spot. And at this point in time, you have to make a decision on Jailing Green. he's a lot of fans are has started to turn against him and it's really showing and now like people are at this point to where like damn should we have traded this man at the trade deadline because right

now like this team they're very much in the in the play in the playoff race at some point in time earlier in the season and now that's not even the fucking up for the question or debate they're the most they're one of the most 500 teams although they're not 500 right now they're like 26 and 30 or some shit like that and so the most 500 teams even though they're not 500 what a sentence that that's a bar that that makes exactly they're not ass but at the same time they're not like a great team necessarily and if you're a rocket's fan like this is a good step in the right direction when it comes to development and now it's just like the huge elephant in the room is like this dude is a problem how are we going to fix it yeah fair yeah it's i don't even at this

point you just got to wait right like it's they're at a point where they were waiting and hoping that the small flashes we see of Jayland Green every year he has these random game stretches where he doesn't miss shots. They're just waiting for had to become a consistent thing. There's very little you can do. You know, there's reports they're considering a lineup change. They decided against that. I made doka said today they're going to continue with their lineup going to the second half of the season. Yeah. There's very little adjustments you can make for Jaylon Green at this point. Most of the time he shoots under 30% from three when he gets really hot. He shoots makes every shot and it looks great. But he's such an inconsistent shooter

that it puts you in a tough spot because he shows just enough flashes you can't give up on him but just enough inconsistency that you're like fuck is there any other option yeah they're in a super tough spot

they're in a super tough spot but again overall W season for the use in rockets can't be too upset I mean we got a we got a few more big teams to talk about before we rapid fire through the ones we don't care about

Don who went your next team a big team honestly all four of Mike can go into rapid fire but we'll talk we'll talk about this i can go ahead we'll talk about this i'll say this team uh the philadelphia 76s um okay their problem or issue is they need to figure out what they want to do with their cap space this off season um whether or not they want to go with depth or or you know really go start really go star hunting and get a get a second a second secondary star next to and

beat because obviously now that his injury has you know taken him out of the game for a while those questions of is he ever going to be healthy enough for a prolonged playoff run get heightened get louder and it's a lot to put on tyrese maxi at this stage in his career even going into next year to be able to carry this team to be competent if and beat ever goes out so they need to they need to figure out what they want to do around and beat in around maxi I like that yeah because you know it's hard it's hard to talk about the sixes right now because joel and b might be out for the whole season we're kind of just like just waiting on the truth until they can like they're currently clearly grasping for straws hoping they can

surprise themselves and figure out a timeline for him to come back but it seems like the writing's on the wall that he might be done for the year so this is the time i'm very okay with looking forward to next season because if he's out for the year they're obviously cooked beyond repair all conversation is newt no and void what the fuck do you do you guys want us to talk about Buddy Heald and him being a Flamethrower? Like, I'm sorry man, I can't do it. I don't got it in me. How they cut, what's his name, Daniel

House? How are they going to replace his minutes? I don't fucking know and I don't care. But another interesting team. Buddy Hill's going to be a free agent this year. Do you think he's been part of the people they give the money to? I mean, probably. It depends if he goes out swinging,

like if he's playing at this level, then you have to give him that money, whatever that money looks like. His value is so hard to gauge, though. he's probably last case resort that if there's nothing else to do you just re-sign him on a team-friendly deal it's a pretty good fallback plan honestly if not he's a one-year rental and that's fine too you didn't give a lot to get him a second round pick so basically nothing so yeah i guess so buddy heels are really not like he shouldn't be you shouldn't build your offseason or heavily playing for buddy hill just a nice guy to have for sure they're funny he's like has space

on buddy healed and gary trant junior oh my god yeah oh gary tron jrude you don't put that in the air for sixes fans oh my god That's gross, bro. Clay Thompson's an unrestricted free agent. That's all I'm saying. Everybody's been putting that in the air, and that would be cool to see, but at the same time, yish, man, that's their, that's their bang? I don't know.

I don't know how I feel about that. We'll see, man. Who's your next team, Mo? Yeah, so my next team, I'm going to tee up to you guys, because I've had, like, the very, of the very same strong stance about them throughout the entirety of the season, the Oklahoma City Thunder. as of late they made a move in the trade deadline obviously traded for gordon hayward good move still but me personally i would say still the biggest problem for this roster and how deep of a

playoff run they can go and how much of versatility they have is their big man position ted hungroom is easily one of the three most versatile big men in the entire NBA but who is behind them who is behind him when it comes to having that like line of hire i don't really see too much think there's anybody there. That's my biggest problem. What are you guys the biggest problem for the okay C Thunder? The coach who really loves Josh Giddy and Josh Giddy sucks. A hundred percent. It sucks is extreme. Sucks is dramatic, but he is not a good fit with his current starting lineup and he is currently has a lot of investment probably from front office down. His coach really believes in him being a long-term connector on this team and sees a vision of him

working and wants that to be the case. So they're trying to play through the issues and find the best case scenario where plug and play it works well his outside shooting is good enough that you can use his passing

use his whatever qualities you want to look for him on the positive side and yada yada yada but he's actively heard them on both sides of the ball smart teams are realizing

they don't got to guard him makes his passing less valuable makes his rim finishing less valuable he's not a good defender I even more worried about that in a playoff setting

than I am the size honestly talk to talk to him yeah and I that that is my my biggest problem But I think that Gordon Hayward's going to be able to come in and alleviate a lot of that stuff. The Giddy thing is just much more long term in terms of like how long are they going to stick with Josh Giddy on their team? Are they going to get to a point where they can flip him for positive assets, right?

And you don't necessarily like, is Josh Giddy going to get so bad that you're going to have to attach an asset to get rid of him? I don't. Oh, no. Exactly. I don't think that's going to be the case. hopefully it never gets to that but that is going to be something that that they monitor and so but the big man they're they're going to be okay and there's going to be lineups um where them going small it's going to be like the clippers where they they don't have a lot of size but it works for

them and they have they have advantages and their play style is based off of that so the same thing goes with the thunder they've been able to build this great season, this great resume because of how they play right now. So it's either this or nothing. So I I'm okay on the big man thing. Yeah, me too. At first I was with you, but the more I thought about it, listen, every team has their pros and cons of their style of play. This is in 1995. It's not like end-all BL with size. I know Timberwell's fans, I want you to believe that, that like if you're smaller, you're not going to win in a series. End of the day, you are smaller, but you have better shooting. You have better playmaking. Every position on the court can ball handle, can screen.

can shoot, brings them a lot of advantages that you wouldn't have if you play Bismet Beyond a big minutes. So I'm not super worried about that. I am worried about the 6-8 liability they have on the wing and Giddy who makes our offense two points possessions worse and their defense, three points for possessions worse, giving him a whopping minus five net rating when he's in the court compared to off the court. I can agree with that, but here's my thing, and I'll give you guys some pushback with

Josh Giddy. You just traded for Gordon Hayward, Isaiah Joe's on the bench. Carson Wallace is still there You have options and you have the ability To go ahead and change your fucking mind But when it comes to like Needing another extra big body in there With Chet Hungram for whatever situation it is

My only issue is that you don't have Any options to change your mind You don't have any counters or anything like that The line is very short The list is very short so that's my biggest issue With Josh Giddy he can be replaceable I can already envision him In closing lineups alongside or Gordon Hamer

in closing lineups alongside Shea and Chet and all that, but you can't fix the issue of like not having enough bigness on the team whenever you need it in those certain instances. And these instances are important in the playoffs. Yeah. The real problem is if Chet, you know, being a young player, gets into foul trouble in these games, that's when it becomes an issue. Which, you know, like you said, could happen any moment and you don't have a big alternative

after that. I wonder if they address that in the offseason. Because they could have if they wanted to. So clearly they don't see it as a big issue. I guess it really just comes down to do we see it become an issue. It'll kind of just be a results-based thing. I think we say that they could have resolved the issue. But at the same time, like one of the bigger trade targets in my head was like something like under drumming.

But apparently the Chicago Bulls are like 10 toes down on staying and committing to the mid. Outside of that, like there aren't. They don't need underderman because. Well, no, that was just an example. I know, I know. But, like, they didn't do that because they want to play five out, right? They could have got Kelly Olinick. Everyone banging on that drum for months.

Like, get him. He's a perfect fit. They didn't do it. So I wonder if they just have more faith in big Jam Williams than we do. Yeah. I think it's teams also trying to probably price gouge them also along with that. Which is very understandable and logical. All right, yeah.

Another one of those teams are this on the top end, don't have a lot of flaws. Maybe the biggest problem is youth, right? In experience that would come to hurt them like it doesn't. a lot of young teams. Yeah. We'll see. I agree. So to speed run through the rest of my teams, I got the Spurs.

They just need to get out of the end in-denial stage that some of their young players are in. I'm looking at you, Devon Vassell. Sometimes I look at you, Jeremy Sohan. Next team, we can speed run through. The Phoenix Suns rap, Bradley Beal, and some bubble wrap at all times. I just saw another injury report today about Bradley Beale. It's a goddamn shame. They'll learn no magic.

Get Markell Foltz out of here. ship him to some other team that needs like help the Washington Wizards it doesn't matter I don't it don't really it's not about them it's about the Orlando Magic

and their development and that's all the teams I got great yeah I don't even I'll let that rapify be the rapid fire then you listen I have the Hornets I have written down get more talent

they stink they're entering another rebuild after an unsuccessful rebuild because in one year they drafted Kai Jones James Booknight and JT Thor Thor which as a league It's not a lot of talent On his way

Not a lot of talent Okay They suck and if they start over Essentially around Brandon Miller And La Mello Which isn't a bad place And Tray Man Yeah and Tray Man

Great So they have at least one more year Of needing a good draft class Potentially two Not much to say Besides they have to just get More good players Because they failed at that so far

Washington I wrote down Can they find a coach That can extract value At a pool Because they're another team Like the Trail Blazers That are currently in hell Just running around

Doing a whole lot of nothing Jordan Pool has quickly Become a albatross of a contract they have to find a way to salvage him whether it be to make him a part of the Yonkore or to find value so he isn't just going to be a disgusting contract until it runs out

he's just sad man damn for the jazz I wrote can Keontre George be the lead guard of the future do they have to go PG again in this draft no they don't because we got Dezante Murray waiting for them right now buddy answer you go home answered there we go

then I have the Nuggets who I said are currently 19th in REM volume this year and dead lasting transition points per play. Can they get past this malaise and actually try so they can do well in those things? Because that's the biggest problem is all the high effort things running out in transition, getting to the room of your bench

lineups, they haven't been good at this year. I think a lot of that is foot off the gas, waiting for the playoffs to come around. But that's quite the gamble to play when you get the hope that can actually turn it up and it's not just who they are. And if that is who they are, that gives them a little bit less juice in the head last year. We ain't worried about them.

Yeah. All right, cool. All right. I'm going to go with my rapid fire. I have three teams. First one, Chicago Bulls. Listen, figure yourself out, man. Go handy yourself.

Therapy. That's a problem. Therapy. Come on, Chicago. All right. Next one, Sacramento Kings. You need more talent, right? I don't think that the duo of Deeran Fox and Demona's a bonus is going to be a championship

core, much less a core that can make you a top four seed, right? Either switch out. your parts in terms of Sabonis or Fox or add another star and get a big three going in Sacramento. But you need an upgrade in what you're doing. I think that the base and the foundation of your team is not good enough. So that's what I have for Sacramento. And then my last one for the New York Knicks, the biggest problem that they need to overcome is that the coach tries to kill the player sometimes by overworking them. If he cannot, right, if he cannot do that, considering that Brunson, O.G. and Randall are all hurt right now. Or actually, you know,

Brunze came back. But, um, but, um, but yeah. Hartinstein. Yes. If Tom Tiptoe can limit his, everybody's going to play 47 to 48 minutes a night, we will be good. So yeah, that's the biggest problem they have to overcome. Listen, Donovan. There you go. Yeah. They got to go on strike and form a Nick's labor union. Yeah. And if that doesn't work on. I'm in, I'm in New York still. I got the NYPD on my line right now. I am itching to press 911 and call Tibbs out for potential

manslaughter. Man slaughter, wow. Oh man. That's the end of this. We went through every single NBA team, gave their biggest problem. It's a long episode so far. Mo, what time is it? Crown eaters. Rejoice. Appear. Show yourselves.

It's time. Woo! Welcome to TikTok time. As always, we're going to start with the draft. This time, we're going to get back to something we did a while ago. I think last year, we're going to draft the worst NBA players we possibly can. You know, we have body, shooting, handles, passing, finishing. We're going to pick the shittiest skills imaginable.

We've got a twist. We're going to draft them from only all-star players. So you've got to pick the worst skills from the best players in the NBA. Love it. Love it. A little shake-up. Look, counterintuitive,

but it's going, it's going to be great. Yeah, exactly. There's no easy layoffs, right? There's nobody that you can just pinpoint

as like, oh, this is the worst player on his team. We can just pick his. Yeah. No layups like that. So you got to get a little creative. I already know the strategy behind this.

Let's do it. Do you have a strategy behind this? Hell yeah. I come with a strategy every time. And it's only all starts from this year. Okay. Yeah. So,

makes sense. Keep that in mind. Makes sense. Makes sense. All right. So, real simple. Let's draft the worst NBA players possible

with only skills from 2024 NBA All-Stars. First pick, give me Jalen Brunson's body. I knew you were going to go there. I knew you were going to go there. It's okay. Listen, these are the best athletes in the world. Give me the worst athlete of the bunch. You know what?

That's very solid. I think I just went up to you, though. Give me the first white man off the board, Nicole Yoki, to give me his body. If you tell him it's an all-star game, he is not moving at all, bro. and I need that on my team. It's not an all-star games.

That's a big nimble body. I'm telling him it's an all-star game though. Trust me. Listen, sometimes I'll be selling drafts. I understand that that has become my reputation. Not this one. If we've been in the worst player, I got this.

Give me Trey O's body and give me Yonis's shooting. Wow. A little guy that can't shoot is terrible. He's a trash ass man. Holy fuck, okay. Come on now. You're cooking. You're cooking.

You're cooking. Okay. So that loose back to me. So I got shooting, handles, passing, and finishing left. And what that means on there, defense is on there. Oh, really? Bro, I'm tripping balls right now because I, okay. No, I'm not.

Nevermind. Sweet. Okay, cool. So for defense, go ahead and give me the dude who couldn't guard the bat, the bathtub. in my bathroom Damie Lillard I need his defense immediately

That's good Thank God you did that There's one more non-shooter Here give me Bam out of bio shooting Oh listen You're knocking down Crazy 18 footers

That's not That's not too bad It's not too bad At least you're quick I'm not quick And I can't shoot We're tough We're cuts

And then We're gonna go next Oh Playmaking Jalen Brown Oh, damn. He was on the board. That's tough. I don't got water demon quality yet. Damn, he was on the board. That's tough. Pretty much everyone else, like, after that, it's like, etiquette. So it's like, fuck. That might be the steel of the draft right there. I can't pass. I'm not

fast. I can't shoot. It's okay. What does he do? That might be the steel at a draft right there. I'm not going to lie to you. What does he do? Did you just build Thanosus? Can you clap? It's always the passes with you. I know. Leave him alone. Leave the analysis alone. You're right. You're right. You're right.

My bet. I got to respect the ball podcast. I got to respect the ball podcast. All right. So, damn, this is tough now because everyone else on this list is like pretty good at all these things. So for playmaking, give me quail in it, I guess. The most mid-playmaker ever. This is pretty solid playmaker.

All right. Okay. Yeah. No one's talking about this. making, no. All right. For defense, give me

Tyrese Halliburton. Terrible defender. Cone. Worse than dame. Cone. And then for playmaking, for playmaking, give me

give me Carl Anthony Towns for playmaking. He's good to throw one into the stands every now and that I like that. Yeah. Okay. You playmaking to the other team? I'm pretty far ahead right now

I'm not gonna lie I'm pretty far ahead I don't know I have Jaila Brunson's body and Jalen Brown's passing Yeah but I ain't gonna lie Trey Young's body's a real He's just a regular dude bro He's like 160 foot

He's quick as hell But Brunton is fast And he's big body as well He's quick He definitely is quick He's quick Underrated Underrated quick

Yeah he's for sure quick all right so he's twitchy I guess that's a good way to put it sneaky athletic he shifts around a little bit that's gross right

so for finishing go ahead and give me 35 year old KD he don't have no rim pressure anymore tough scene it's the best way I you're kind of building a really good player am I

low key no like Yokechish he gets to the rim by KD It's a decent player Not can get to the room Like Katie Can you finish at the rim like Katie Getting to the room is different Well that's his problem

When he gets the room Katie's fine But he Yeah you're right There you played yourself You're talking through it too much I should have shut up There you go

Wrapped your new fucking whole Mental gym That's hilarious Oh wait Nobody's picked this yet Oh no Actually I can go there

Do it. Choke, choke, choke, choke. Listen, this guy's gotten better defensively. Still not great. Give me Luca Donch's defense. Okay. Yeah. Okay, that's nice.

Literally, it was either body or defense for him, bro. Like, there's nothing else that could have been chosen. Listen, he's 6'8 and a little more athletic than you think. His body's a little too good for this conversation. Pause. Oh, man. Oh, God. Dangerous.

Finishing. We're going to go with finishing. You picked all the players I wrote down already. Fuck. Everybody All-Star game is a good finisher. I know.

You know what? I was stuck, bro. Everybody in the L'Oster game is a good finisher. Give me the guy with the lowest IQ finishing.

Give me Julius Randall. Oh, forget. He was an All-Star. When it's a good take, he's a great, great finisher. But he will take the worst shots and was ill-ed-a-hise shots

at the room. I need his finishing brain. Oh, gotcha. Okay. He's never seen a big man he doesn't want a barrel into. That's hilarious, bro.

That's a boy. That's a good. I get it. I understand. That's hilarious, man. He works on those muscles. He works on his muscles. He wants to use them.

Damn. All right. So for shooting, literally every single All-Star is a good shooter. So with that being said, give me someone who was at All-Star Weekend, Donovan Smoot for shooting. If you know, you know, I won. Undefeated.

I got to worst player. Okay, I need an actual one for the TikTok because the TikTok here won't get that joke. So go ahead and pick a real quick. Oh, bro. All right, real pick. Give me someone who, give me Anthony Davis,

someone who is supposed to take six threes a game, but it ends up taking two now. Tough scene. Adi's a good pick. I wasn't to pick him and somebody took BAM. You're going to pay for you.

You're going to pay for you. You're going to send the FBI at my door. I understand that. It's okay. You have the clutch, question now so you're not going to hit up Rich Paul. Anyways,

Why are you exposing me right now? Like, listen, relax, relax. Anyways, right? For finishing, you can't finish at the rim if you don't go to the rim. So give me somebody who loves stepbacks and who loves tough middies Jason Tatum. That, I see the logic is the best you can do. It's the best you can do. Everybody in the All-Star game is jumping 48 inches in the air and dunking.

Like, this is all I had. it's a good spin on an otherwise unexciting pick it's all I had the best you can do he's an all-star what could we do I respect I respect the logic all right so my team

my player my fucking unit I built the body of Jalen Brunson the shooting a Bama out of bio the defense of Luca Donchich the playmaking of Jalen Brown and the finishing of Julius Randall this is just Jalen

Brunson if he didn't have a three-point shot Like Damn That's really what this is Yeah I feel like this is a very real player In NBA history This is Jaina Brunson without a three-point shot Slightly

But if you couldn't shoot If you couldn't shoot this is Raymond Felton Yeah True Lord just could be goddamn Jordan pool this season Tough scene He's not been like that Who you got

Yeah so I got Yokic For body D-smoot slash 8 for shooting dame for defense kawai for playmaking and finishing i got kd i'm i'm trying to be calm i'm actually pissed off i really am trying to be calm it's okay he's so easy to trigger he's so he didn't i love it nah bro because people just be bullying others like for no reason um all right so for body over one miss three-pointish shut up i know your capabilities

It wasn't you on the video. It wasn't you on the video. Okay, anyways, for body I have Trey Young, shooting I have Yonge, I have Yonge, I have Tyrese Halliburton, playmaking, Car Anthony Towns, finishing Jason Tatum. Yeah, outside of finishing,

my player's kind of bad. Is this, is this Russell Westbrook without passing? Stop that. I mean. Is this Ricky Russell Westbroke without good passing? Not even

God, you just built Julian Newman Congratulations on him Did you build Rookie Dennis Smith Is that what I'm Damn

You actually Is this shit Is this Kuh Henderson? Oh, that's tough I was thinking that too But I didn't want to say To be honest with you He's paying the rookie tax

It's fine He'll get better Pain Now that's end of the draft Next thing we're going to do A tier list of sorts we're going to put NBA logos into a tier list. Fire!

We are loving it. Real simple. I got 12 NBA logos for y'all. We're going to put them in a tier list based on just, I don't know, the design, the vibe, how well it fits the city, you know, just how strong of a logo these are. Say the word. Say the word. Orah? Exactly. That's what we're ranking this.

I'm happy you got straight to it. Let's do it. There we go. Let's put these NBA logos into a tier list. First off, the Chicago Bulls. Listen, this is an S-tier logo, in my opinion. This is one of the best logos in the league. Listen, 2012 era, swag era.

You couldn't go anywhere without seeing this shit on a snapback. This logo stood the test of time. It's fashionable. It looks good. It's ferocious. Easy S-tier. That was real fashion. I don't know anything about that.

Y'all don't know. You never wore fire red threes with a snapback. Back in 2012, 2013, they had the entire nation in a headlock. Brother, when it gets hot, camo shorts, when he gets hot and you put the snap back on your belt loop, I don't know about this, man. These are recipes. This is real fashion.

Definitely, yes, too. Our viewers were like two years old at times. No facts. Literally. I don't say, y'all don't get it. Y'all don't understand. You weren't outside. You never will.

It's fine. Quite literally. If you know, you know. You just don't even try to catch up. Next up, the Brooklyn Nets This is ass I'd be the first one to say that It's just so bland, boring

It's big bulky It looks like a police officer badge When I first like a quick glance at it Bro's one of the security He thinks he's a cop What the fuck is going on right now Relax, just stick to your job I put this in F

The fucking Gotham PD The F for Feds Yeah Yeah Like this is just trash Boo The colors are cool Black and white

How can you fuck that up They found a way To fuck that up Easy that's Boring font It's just the ball No or Yeah no

Trash Fucking crest Ew Next up The Memphis Grizzlies Mixed feelings About this one right here Exactly

The colors are cool You got mixed feelings I think this is hard as shit I think I'm gonna go hey Hard as shit is a stretch This is a good logo That's a cool looking bear It depends on what jersey you think.

Cool looking bear. Okay. Jersey is irrelevant. This is a logo tier list. But that's what I'm saying. It depends on what the jersey is. That makes it look better. No.

I kind of want to put this as a B. Look at that picture and tell me what you think about that picture. B. I kind of want to put this at a B because it's just one of those good mid-tier logos. There's nothing ferocious. It's not wearable like the Bulls logo was. But the colors are cool and you can't really overall hate on it. It's just solid

I think of Michael Jordan Played for this team We'd be looking at this logo Damnary the same But that's what you should have started off with Nobody respects Zach Ranoff anymore Yeah instead we had Kosta Kufich

So it's over bro Put this at a B You fucking slaughtered that name That is not his name Costa That's not what his family calls him I hate I hate myself now

What is what is his name again Costa Kustis There we go What the fuck did you just say? Was that not it? All right. Next one. You're disrespecting his lineage

Every time you're I got to hear it. I got to hear the legend, bro. I got to hear it. Please someone terrified that. That was so bad. His name is

Kostis Kufis. Did I not say that? Not at all. I thought I said for a second Costa Kucci. No word. No word. What?

Slaughted it. It's slaughtered it. All right. Next up. The Dallas Mavericks. This is good. This is a good logo. I think this is a solid.

Big ass gulp. Yeah. Take a second. My throats a little scratchy. Down the hatchet. Where is this? Down the hatchet. This is like a D.

I remember this is. D? D. Wow. It's not good. They need a rebrand bad. They've had this logo for way too long. They want,

I guess they wanted to be like a classic or something. It's not. It looks dated as hell. It's not good. Oh my gosh. It's not good. You saw this logo. when you loaded up NBA Street.

So? It's 2024. We have Apple Pro goggles. And I'm still seeing the same thing. Switch it up. Switch it up. Be creative. No,

they need to be around bad. Color outside the lines, Dallas. I'll go see. Oh my gosh. You guys don't appreciate the mystical figure that that horse is right there, bro. This is a solid B in my opinion. I kind of would put this at a person. You just call it mystical?

Yeah. Do you see that horse? You said you never seen a horse that looked like that in your goddamn life and you're lying to me if you told me you did Stop that. Listen, when I grew up my third movie with Spirit, I've seen that horse plenty of times You were a horse. God damn liar Were you the horse girl? Were you the horse girl of your class? Anyway, this is C tier.

He was, he was. He was the horse girl. If you don't watch Spirit, you don't know a ball about Disney movies. That was that was the movie. It's a man That's called himself a stallion Oh my god But this is in CTA move on Okay

Whatever Next up The San Antonio Spurs Listen Looky kind of hard Mixed feelings bro It is hard It is hard

It's kind of hard Because it is a spur It is a spur This is what they look like It's in the name When I was a kid I thought it was a field goal pose Terrible

But listen, it's unique It has character It represents the city Solid B I was thinking A I could go I could go with a The colors are very solid

I could go with A for sure Colors are very solid The Spurs are in the gray These days You said what I feel like it leads too much into gray Rather than black and white Maybe it's a jersey conversation

It's never mind Yeah the logo itself Is very hard compared to his counterpart All right Spurs welcome to A tier We got it Next up, the Indiana Pacers. I feel like we've spent all week hating on Indiana

and now we're just going to keep it going because this logo sucks. This logo is trash. It's so terrible. This looks like it's straight out to that fucking 70s. It's awful. Put this. What are we doing?

F, D? Let's put this in F. Let's be real. You know what? Let's be real, bro. We can put it in D just because it has colors and the Nets logo does not. There we go.

We'll put it in D because we got Gen Z color brain. There we go. Yeah, nah. Zero creative colors. Zero creativity, row. There my fuck. I put it in F. The colors aren't even good.

Let's be real. Blue and yellow. You can respect them for being able to become an all-star city, bro? Damn. Good for them. It's not a good logo. The Milwaukee Bucks. This is the S-tier logo on my opinion.

You know how I feel about that goddamn buck. You are so weird. I'm not weird Do you not respect How this book makes it feel? It's okay It's okay keep going Are you not in tune with your feelings And your emotions?

What about the book? Yes You know who I feel about that goddamn book This book This book represents way more than you think What does it represent? What the fuck? Does that mean?

What are you talking about? Bro, the real people Milwaukee understand this. You don't. Are you a real person in Milwaukee? No. I mean, I know people. I agree.

The buck logo looks awesome. He looks ferocious. He looks swollen as shit. I'm cool with the buck going on an S tier. Fear the deer, put it in S. Yep, for the deer is hard to sell. The Miami Heat. Awesome.

I'll say A tier. I really like this logo. Listen, I understand it's old, right? And they loki have done the same thing, but it works. I like the little ring around it. Basketball on fire, it's a, it's a nice little play on it, not the best. Not a very strong logo. Not, yeah, not the best, but it's definitely a tier.

I kind of would put this in S tier, but I can understand your argument. Yeah, for sure. I just think like the, the bull's logo, the bull's logo is so ferocious and so iconic. The buck's logo has a little bit of everything, right? You have the circle. You have, you have the letters in it. The buck looks strong and fierce. Miami's just missing just one of those things.

So that's what I'll put in the way. It's a flaming basketball beaming at your head. How do you not feel fearful? Because an animal's soul is not staring straight into my eye. And it's just a ball. Okay. Your logic makes sense. I'm cool.

It's an in-animate object. Okay. The Houston Rockets. This one kind of sucks. I was going to say, I'm so glad we opened up conversation. This is ass. It's trash as fuck. I've been waiting to say it. No, they need a new logo. They need to put a rocket back in that bitch. They need to make

a creative, have some life into it. I don't even know what the redeeming quality of this is. It's just boring. Facts. I mean, what's supposed to be? And it's all the same color? Yeah. Yeah. Nothing's going for it. Yeah. Their logo is probably the reason why they haven't made the NBA final since fucking Hakeem was in that jersey, bro. That's exactly why. That's exactly why They need to use that logo with the astronaut on it

That's on their city jerseys That's a full-time logo I think they should rebrand The entire franchise Into those colors That would be hard F-tere it is He's a very 2004

FX The OKC Thunder I kind of like this Whoa I don't think it's bad I know we've been on the same page And I might deviate For what we're talking about

I think this is good I think it's a solid C tier logo. That fat-ass old just kills it for me, man. The colors are cool. What even is this? It's like a shield. It looks like a shield to be honest with me, bro. Thunder is a triangular basketball. What the shit is. G-I. Joe

ass logo for sure. There's Academy Sports outdoors. Yeah, no. This shit is, it's ass. It's where we used to who. But it's so hard to. Do you not have memories of whooping had Academy? Not enough. This is Dick Sporting Goods.

No, get this out of here. Yeah, see terrible Can it be a C? I was gonna go D I don't like this logo at all It's D type terrible You don't What does this logo have to do

With a name Thunder You don't think that this logo Is on the same level As the Dallas Mavericks logo No What does there's no thunder So what? I think y'all misplaced Dallas

That's my issue Thunder is such a Such a What's the word An illustrative word That should have imagery To match it And it's just nothing

It's just orange no it does i mean i guess the orange and the blue through it you can't see thunder but they could have done a better job for sure you're right you can't do thunday what do you think you're right but this and see thinking about lightning all right you got me you got me see it is you can put it see i lost this man wants audio waves on a jersey relax a peaking audio file

because it's too literal it's so trash but I'll take it I lost that the Sacramento Kings listen some days I wake up and I'm like this is hard

other days I'm like this is trash as fuck one of the worst logos I've seen in my entire life this is your purple bias coming out your fucking favorite color you're obsessed with this is not a good logo The gray kills it all for me

Because it's like Where the fuck that shit come from, bro? It's such a 2011-ass font man That modern-ass font It looks terrible It looks Tron legacy shit Isaac is in his bag right now Listen we don't have a logo in D-tier

So let's just put this in D-tier Because it's not great Is it occupy its own space Yeah D-Tier is perfect for it D-Tier is perfect for it There we go It's just so mid No thoughts

All right last up the Golden State Warriors Damn Damn damn damn It's good It's certainly really good But it's not great though What

Yeah it's got to be up there right It's one of the best logos in the league It's a strong logo It's the Golden Gate Bridge It suits the community It's perfect You let a bridge sway you man What the hell if you want to see a bridge

I'll take you ass outside right now This does not sway anybody How You would take me outside and see the Golden Gate Bridge Do it It's a cool bridge Listen, I live in the Bronx So it's going to take a little

45 minute commute But I can still show you The goddamn bridge, bro. It doesn't warrant an A or an S You finish on me The world shittiest bridge Yeah Yeah, no

She's gonna be over a storm drain A bridge is a bridge bro Put this in A Yeah, we can go ahead I'll look at I'll look at S is crazy as fuck I'd live with A

Whatever You understand You understand what we're doing in animate objects go in a if you have an animal and it's actually a good logo you go in S that's kind of the difference that's actually what we did you guys are terrible

damn bro the Mavs man you guys hold the Mazz for sure but whatever the Mavs logo is mid it looks outdated as fuck it looks uh never mind I'm just gonna keep my mouse and thin why are you fighting for this Michael Finley logo like relax because the Michael

Finley logo took me through some times on my life. That's why. You don't understand. You're a nostalgia for the fucking Mavericks logo? Yeah, man. You romanticize a bathroom break. That's crazy. You guys are just

you guys don't understand, man. All right, man, that's the end of that segment. Next thing we're going to do, pull out a thing we haven't done in months. We're going to guess some NBA teams by their 2K ratings. I've officially quit 2K for, what, the

fourth time in my career. I'm retired. I'm officially done. I'm not buying. I'm not falling into Isaac's propaganda because he made us get, right, had a gun to my head and told me, download NBA 2K right now so that we could play. I was like, oh, I guess I got to get it. I'm not doing it next year. I'm not spending my money on that. Yeah. Well, let's see if you can understand the 2K ratings off of pure vibes in because you haven't seen them. I got a slideshow with six teams where I have the ratings on their position by position. You guys don't have to guess it. Did you guys just see that? I think to kill might have gave you the answer.

I didn't see shit. I just yawned. Oh my goodness. Thank God. I literally just yon. I was folded. Thank God for me being sleepy. Okay.

So real simple. I'm going to show you an NBA team. You're going to guess what they are based off nothing with their 2K ratings. First team. Who is this team? This team is so fucking trash. Oh my God. So they got a point guard.

I'm assuming that's point guard is an 80. The two and three is a 79 and an 84. Power forwards at 87 and center is a 79. Relax, relax, relax. I think I got this. You got this? Okay. This is,

Listen, the power forward is the star of the show. Everybody else is good, not great. Is this the New Orleans Pelicans? Incorrect. What? Humble yourself. Okay, that was a great guess. That was a great guest.

I was a great guest. I was an ISO, Airballed that bitch. My bad team, my bad team. all right so who's another like lower slick lower it's not lower tier but who's another good power for it in the NBA with just a bunch of mid around them tell me so all right this could be this could be think out loud could it be could it be this season's version of the Memphis Grizzlies this is not the Memphis Grizzlies no that was a good guess that was a good guess because they'd be switching out the goddamn 80s.

It was, okay. Okay. Okay, what point guards in the league are like solid but not great that we could think of in like that 80 range? I think there's so many of them. I think we have a hard time. Yeah, I wouldn't start there. That's a bad thing. It's a power for it.

I think it's a power for it. See, someone I think about is, oh, I got this shit. I got it. He's in my mind right now. He's the star of the show, star of the All-Star Weekend. Is it Scotty Barnes? It is not. Oh, fuck.

Then this shit is, this is not Scotty Barnes and this is Paolo Bankero. Correct. This is the... Yeah! There we go. God damn it.

Way too hard. Fuck, man. Okay. Franz is an 84? Go to hell, 2K. We haven't done this in a while. We're ramping up. We're going to be good.

Yeah, I'm sweating out. Go to hell 2K. I saw Ronnie 2K on my flight on the way back from Indie. That's crazy as hell. Name drop, listen, name drop some more. Remain O'Neill was on my flight. Who?

Donovan and I saw. Oh, really, dad? Your dad. I called the Keemus brother last point. Crazy. You guys crazy. All right. Next up. Who is this team?

Oh, everybody's good on this team. Okay. 84 point guard, 81 and 80, small forward and shooting guard. 80 power forward and this is an 86 center who the fuck is this so this show is being led by a really good okay center and the point guard is like middle of the pack this is just a pretty team it's just a mid team but like but like a good mid team I think I can think of some good mid can you donovan I'm trying to trying to run through it I think I can get some some good mid out of here as my brain is cycling through some good mid there's some quality mid down

nowadays these days they're the real there's a lot first guess this is the Houston rockets damn I can't believe some good mid that's the goodest of mid right there listen that's what you said earlier that's what you said earlier they're the best 500 team that's not 500 it's factual comes in clutch there we go I love it next up who is this team okay dominant center elite center so you got a 79 point guard

82 80 small ford and shooting guard and a 78 power forward damn is this center with some shitters there's only one person that fits that profile is this the young king victor wimbayama and the san antonio spurs ooh it is I don't know why my mind went blank you carried me through that one

good shit Good shit. Jeremy, so hand, shout out to you for coming in clutch. All right. Next up, who is this team? 92 point guard, 80 and 80 small forward and shooting guard in the 87 power forward and an 83 center. Okay. Okay.

This is good. This is good. Not going to lie to you. So we have to think about one of the most elite point guards in the NBA along with a pretty good, but not at a little. elite power forward. I think I have, I know who this is. I believe so. Go ahead.

Is this, boom, Tyrese Halliburton. Correct. This is the Indiana Pacers. Give me my fucking money. I love this shit. I die for this shit. Let's go. Every day, I wake up.

You put your head down. And I look at goddamn 2K logos. or 2K ratings Alright next up Who is the team Ooh this team is fucking fire bro Wow great team 85 point guard

84 and 89 Shooting guard in small 4 94 Power 4 in 88 center This team is fucking elite This team is crazy This team is crazy as hell This team is lethal

but not going to lie I feel like I know who this might be 94 is one of the best players in the entire NBA exactly there's only a handful of players that fit that that description go ahead so it can't be no Luca can't be no Steph can be no Yokic

hold on not it can be Devon Book or KD this might be Jason Tatum and the Boston Celtics yes sir Isaac's yawning what the fuck I knew it God damn it You're lying

Why it's the Celtics Oh bro You can fucking forward My joke God damn it Thank you Thank you Thank you

I was like to say You're gonna like shit You be trying You be trying to play these games I'm not with it Yeah no He fool me He fooled me with that

When he was yawning I was like damn I know these games I know his tricks That was a real yawn Yeah I know Right next team Who are these people

85 point guard 93, two guard, 79 small forward, 87 power forward and 87 center. Damn, who the fuck is this team? All right. This is tough. 93, two guard is tough, bro. No, but think about it. Who are some of the best two guards in the league with another, with a dominant front core like that?

Come on. Think about it. See, in my mind, I want to think, like, could this be someone from the fucking Los Angeles Clippers? But no, because Zubotch is not no goddamn 87. That's why I'm going to take a swing here. I'm going to guess with the number one seed in the Western Conference. Is this the Minnesota Timberwolves? That's a good guess, but it is incorrect.

Ooh, that's a great guess. My company is not 85. You're out of your mind? yeah no he's i have no idea i have no idea what one of two k is on these days um that's a great guess okay okay i like i like where you think it's one of the most yeah there's only so many teams as fits that's one of them exactly so we're talking about one of the most elite two guards in the entire NBA along with a pretty damn good four and five oh oh we're tripping oh this is yeah we got at the same time this is the cleveland cavaliers cavaliers there we go let's this

This is the Cleveland Cavaliers. Yeah. I feel like Moe just last on to you there. I don't know if you actually had it or not, but I'm going to choose the believer. No, man. I had it. I had it. Don't do me dirty.

Don't do me dirty. Stop trying to discredit me. As I'm saying, don't talk about my teammate like that. Don't bring it up. Oh, God. Yeah. Put you in headlock. Attack team.

No. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah. Get the, okay. Oh my God. I, bro. You need to be regulated, bro.

We need parental advisory now that we go into TikTok time, bro. I call this TikTok time. I call them create crayon eaters alongside with me for a goddamn reason. Not for you to make these disgusting jokes, man. Good God. We have responsibility, Isaac. I was talking about us. We influenced the youth.

Last weekend, two very young kids walked up to you. And was like, can I get a picture? Can I get a picture? You're like, sure. What happens next year if we allow them into our live show, Isaac? Then what? Next team. Next team.

Learn your lesson Last one Who is this team? Is this the same team? No, it's not. But once again So every position is good Except for the three

The three is the weak spot on this team We got Let's see The Power Forward is to start the show This is hard. Okay So 81 point guard 82

Or 84 we're all two guard 79 overall small forward 93 4 and the 87 center who the fuck is this who the hell is 93 power forward no we can't do that we can't do that the two best players I'm gonna go oh wait I'm no no way I was gonna say is this the Los Angeles Lakers but there's no way in hell 80 would be an 87 Ronnie would be off some crack if he did that, bro. Damn. Who are the best front-court duos in the league?

Four is in the entire NBA, bro. Okay. This one's hard. This one's kind of challenging. But I'll, but I like, I'll step to the plate. I'll accept the challenge. Let's think about it. Let's break this shit down easily.

This is no. I'm thinking about Biggs. Can't be Bam at a bio. He's not an 87 overall. Mm-hmm. Could this be someone like KD as a 93? No, because Nerkich is not fucking like that.

Who the hell is this, bro? Damn. You guys give up? It can't be. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait. No,

no, we don't give up yet. We don't give up yet. I know we're doing a lot of thinking, and you want to keep this rolling, but we're going to try and get it. Yeah, do a lot of talking. You can think,

but how about you talk to it's? It's okay. Damn. Okay. So, to be honest, So the best, the best power forwards in the league, right? Who are they?

Who are the best power forward? Pascal Seacom. You could say Julius Randall. You could say Paula Bancaro. You could say, I guess, Jason Tatum and KD, fucking Kawhi Leonard. But this can't be Kauai at all. Don't get too. Don't get too bogged up in positions.

That one. Just one might confuse you. Yeah, that's why I'm fuck. To be honest. These people are playing out of position? I quit. I don't know how you want to. Who's to say who's the three and the four on this team?

that's see all right I quit I quit it I'm not I quit it's like two this is the Miami Heat what Bama's it they play a bunch of wings I don't know you kind of cooked us with this one I don't know okay so wow yeah you cook this with that one of them or is it Jimmy Butler I don't know I put you a bullet at the four but that was clearly a little confused yo yeah that fucked us definitely yeah yeah that got us definitely Yeah, I don't even know. What is he technically? I guess he might be the three

and they put like high me at the floor. I don't know. Yeah, I would probably want to count Jimmy as a three, but it's not like Settin Stone. Yeah, I don't know. You went out with a bang with that one. There you go.

I got you finally. Yeah. Let's move on to something more interesting. Let's get you guys as blood flowing. Ooh. Can I go ahead and interest you guys in something real quick? Can you?

Talk to us. I want to see if you guys can guess the top 10 leading NBA scores of all time okay okay all time scoring leaders gotcha this is tough there's been some like shifts over the years of course and I want to see how well you guys can gauge how many buckets have been given over the last few years not over the last few years but of all time by these players gotcha okay we can do this so all time scoring leaders top 10 real simple exactly total points no point Points per game gotcha. I hope not that'd be awful that'd be hard. Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah, no. Let's do it

Hit the hook. So guys can you guess the top 10 and. Oh, I fucked up the hell look of a motherfucker. It gets the top 10 NBA scoring leaders of all time. Okay, I know the top five pretty easily. I think we got knocked it out of the way. LaBron James obviously won. Kareem's number two. Damn. I think nasty man is three. Damn. You run into this? Kobe and then Kobe and Jordan are four and five right yes damn and damn can we get this can we get the Dallas legend Dirk Novitsky on this one oh my goodness oh no he six okay okay you guys no ball what the fuck can we get slow down is harder this is where we gotta slow down this is where it's a little more difficult listen I'm not gonna watch it easy ones all right well talk I'm done is Carmelo anthony on this list uh is that a question or are you like damn it

ah come on this list come on guys come on guys he's number greatness respect greatness okay

Carmelo's number nine so we got seven eight and ten left exactly it's gonna be longevity people will play

it a long time people that played over a decade easily low key is Tim Duncan up here even though he's not a score like that

you are wrong Tim Duncan is not on here I got you it's okay why are you laughing you're on his team bro it's just funny it's just funny Larry Bird didn't play long enough I don't think I imagine Shaq didn't either

well actually no let's guess Shaq Shaq is that number eight Congratulations sir There we go Oh my goodness Is Will Chamberlain up here Donovan do you think Wilts is here

Yeah we'll guess He believes so it is number seven God damn it I wanted your hate thrive, but it didn't. Number 10. You guys are number 10? Is Moses, is Moses Malone number 10?

Moses Malone is not number 10. I'm sorry, sir. It's Akeem Elijah on number 10. Hakeem is not number 10. I'm so sorry, sir. Is Kevin Durant already number 10? Is that a question or is that an answer? It's a,

bullioneters are looking at me and I'm looking at you, looking at me. Kevin Durant is number 10. Congratulations. Let's go. Wow. I don't know why that occurred to me, but yeah, he's got to be up there already. He's been at it for a while. Man's not getting younger.

Yeah, Katie, he's scored the most points while playing the least amount of minutes, bro. It's insane in the top 20. The fact that he's top 10 with an Achilles tear made to miss a whole year of his prime, ridiculous. Crazy. Missed a whole year of your prime, and he's about to be number, he's about to be number nine, actually soon, to surpass Carmelo in like two games. So shout out to him. this graphic is slightly outdated yeah good it's outdated but is it still it's still correct it's

still correct right now to the day yeah but sooner than later like katie's going to eventually pass camillo that's the next one who's uh can we look up real quick like i saw the tictock look up the rest of the list who's i wonder what other players are going to potentially get up into this range like can james hardin or curry get there no no they're they're in the trenches way below they're like later 20s not later my about early 20s what players do you think are going to have a chance. Could Luca get there one day, you think? What players could get, could have a chance? Luca could definitely, oh, easily Luca could get there. Oh my goodness. He's averaging 34 right now.

Yeah, no, he's crazy. Luca could get there. The only thing is like, would he have the longevity? It depends if he likes fucking basketball. I think, I hate to say it, but Tatum could get there because he'll probably have the longevity. Oh, yeah, yeah. Got going real young. Yeah, Tatum could get there easily. Yeah, I think that's about it for like. Okay. Okay. Okay, cool. Easy answers for sure. I respect it. Y'all did good, though.

We're going to do. We're going to pull a T3 classic. We haven't done a long time. We're going to play game of 20 questions. Oh. This time, I'm thinking of the NBA player. You guys are not to guess. Uh-oh. Okay.

Let's go ahead and do it. Uh-oh. 20 questions. I'm kind of shaky at this game, but I got my A game off for TikTok time. Let's do it. Yeah, don't fold. You've got 20 questions to guess the NBA player I'm thinking of. All right.

Let's do it. Is he an All-Star? He is not. Is he in the Western Conference? Currently, yes, he is. Currently, yes, he is. Is this a current player? Currently, yes, he is.

Ooh, that must mean he is hanging by the fucking threads right now. Listen, listen. It doesn't mean that. It just means he wasted a question. Please, no, we need every question. Would you be playing? Yeah, we need it. We need it.

Coach, you tripping. Okay, so he's currently an all-star or not currently not an all-star. was in the fucking West. No, he's not a champion. Is he a guard? He's not a guard. Ooh. Okay.

Is he a center? He is a center. Ooh. Okay. Center, not a champion in the West Conference. You sniffing it out. You're getting there? Yeah.

Is he a starter? He is a starter. Ooh. Getting down to the nitty and fucking gritty right now. There's only so many. So maybe I made it too easy. Is this Daniel Gafford? Ew!

This is not Daniel Gafford, who is not a starter yet, so that's a bad guess. He said, well, I don't want to say should be. Derek lively, respect to you. Yeah, true. Does he have red in his jersey? He does.

Damn! We might be fucking cooking. Not even ten questions in. No, running me down. Okay. Could this be, DeAndre Aidan God damn it

This could be This is DeAndre Aden I'm here Where the real eaters at Good job Good job Alright well that's gonna be too short To make a TikTok

Add us Let's do another game Who wants to guess Um Who wants to think of the player I'll think of it I got it I got one right now

Okay All right Okay you got one Yes Give me Yeah Give me like two seconds To confirm

This draft year But other than that I got this nice, ready, locked in loaded. Okay, I'm ready. You got 20 questions to guess the NBA player I'm thinking about. Nikiel, that was so ineffective. I'm so hilarious. I'll sort of figure what you were going to do.

Okay, so we got 20 questions. Is he a current player? No. Okay, retired, okay. Was he an all-star? no and no that's three questions hos

was this a backcourt player yes uh okay he's a backball player did he retired in the last 10 years yeah yes were they a champion

no he was that hell no shut up I learned my lesson is you working media No, that's a great question. They all do these days. Yeah, I know.

Get a real job. Richard Jefferson, Matt Barnes. You can list them off for days. The Western Conference. Hmm. That's a tough question because he was kind of both. Okay. Okay.

Journeyman, or at least two teams. Fair. You retired in the last 10 years, didn't win a championship. Is he white? No. Damn it. Hmm I said damn it

Like I'm hoping for a white player Yeah like Is he a good shooter? I can try to tell you Is he a good shooter? Sure Okay You got to be deep in the weeds

For this one Yeah Deep in the weeds Oh shit Let's slow down Okay Um Played in both

As you draft Retired in the last 10 years Was the team In the 2000s no okay so he was drafted in the 90s probably or is he a bust what

okay maybe he was in the 90s was was his primary jersey red like like the team he's most the team he was longest on yes

for sure okay the team he's longest on is red he didn't win a championship he's not in the media Huh This is tough Not being an all-stars Fucking me up

Y'all not gonna get it Y'all not gonna get it Y'all not gonna get it Was he a starter? No Is this impossible No it's not impossible He picked a bench player

From the 90s Okay how do we narrow this down He's draft in the 90s Well he might be driving in 2010s It might be just be a quick bust Did we ask that Was he drafted it In the 2010s?

Yes. You got six questions left. Hurry up. Okay. Okay. He dropped in 2010s. Not a champion. Main team is red.

So red team, a bull draft pick, Trailblazers. Wait, is this Wesley Matthews? No. No, no. That wasn't a question.

I don't know. It was. Hold on. No, he was asking me. He was asking me. No, y'all trying to finesse me. But you know what? He was asking me.

You got a clear. He was asking me. I was talking to Donovan. That wasn't clearly. Clarify that next time, buddy. You're on watch. Pistons, wizards, hawks.

No, no, it can't be the pistons because the primary jersey isn't red. Well, primary jersey? Like the primary color of the pistons isn't red. Okay, it's a blue jersey, right? Okay, I was thinking logo with red. Okay, who?

He's a deep cut. Okay, so he's not, he's a decent shooter. Should we, should we try to narrow down like skill-wise? I guess. Is he a good defender? Uh, no. Is he known as being a good defender? No.

Okay, so he's not, knows me a good defender and he's an okay shooter. Probably, oh, this is tough. I feel like we need, I feel like we need. I'm dancing inside right now. I might do this one. You might need a college. Oh, I don't. If it's a potential, that's not going to help.

20 question fumble. They're asking ask questions right now, too. What did you say? Should we try to narrow down draft year? You want to narrow down in the first half of the decade or second half? Yeah. Was he drafting the first half of the 2010s?

I'll do you a favor and say right in the middle. Okay, so 2015. It's not doing a favor. It's answering my question. you got your answer buddy I mean but now now we have to solidify

for those 2015 or not um well it could be it could be like 14 or 16 either way it's like a three year range right in the middle let's assume it's 2015 uh okay wait wait wait wait time

I would like clarity so the first half of 2010 would be 2010 11 12 13 13 14 is he drafted in the first half of the 2010s no okay so 2015 and after

it's 2015 he made it clear okay I think you just wasted a question no no I was clarified my question no I clarified a question what are you talking about okay I'm just making sure I'm just making sure we're on part uh 2015 draft

fuck he's just as Winslow I don't know Whoa proud eaters I'm giving these boys hella passes right not because that was a fucking answer That was a question That was

You are sadly wrong Oh Who else is draft in 2015 Three more Three more Okay so 2015 Was he a first round pick Yes

Okay To a red team Okay Which team It's not the Miami Heat. I just asked that. Okay, we're getting there. We're getting there.

Listen, we're put a buzzer view to this bitch. He used to be so mad. No, you're not. He said he's a back court player. Okay, so he's a one or two. Back court.

One or two for the Raptors maybe? No. Is Dilan Wright still in the NBA, Donovan? Yes. You're right. I think he is. Yes. I think he is.

Okay, so it's not him. How gross do you think I am? You're gross as fuck. He's retired? Retired in the last five years? Are you sure he's retired? Wait, wait. He definitely is retired.

I didn't say in the last... He's retired in the last 10 years? Yeah. Last five years to this flex question, yeah. He's retired but drafted in 2015. You're sure he's a first round pick. I promise you. What?

Okay. Oh, hold on. I kind of fucked you guys. I kind of fucked you guys for two seconds. Drafted in 2014. You completely fucked us. God damn it. Okay, no, we deserve a question back.

If you're a real guesser, you can get that. We deserve a question back. I just corrected one of your questions. No, we deserve 17 should be taken off the board then. Because we ask 17. team based on 16. Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

Question is granted back. This is the longest game of 20 questions ever. It really is. It's now a clip. Primary team is red. Stackboard player. Okay, so the 2014 draft went. That's the Andrew Wiggins draft.

It went Wiggins, Jabari, Okifor, and 14. Is that the draft, Jewel and B was in? Yes. It was, it the same as, Wiggins? I believe so, yeah. Oh, no, because the Okrapoor went in 15. Okay, so Wiggins, Wiggins, Jabari, Embed, and I have no idea who went after that. I have these boys in hell right now.

Oh, my God. Just look at the draft. Just look at the draft. He's supposed to be off the domers, but this is so tough. Just look at the draft. He's retired already. He put out some bullshit. No, I hate that.

I was talking about this guy the other day, man. Huh? Is it Shabazz Napier? Damn it! It is Shabazz Napier! I had to look up to 2014 draft. I had a cheat. I was like, I'm never going to get it.

Crown eaters, although I made an error. You guys some of you guys some have cheated. Sadly, we have lost this one. You all are the worst people to have played 20 questions with. I get so infuriated playing with you guys. That was awful. Oh, man. ridiculous

Sabaz I'm done end the episode man I'm sick of this Chuck Sebastian All right man that's

What a What a way To end the episode On a fucking We're done here Donovan If people are still Here

What should people Comment If they are still here Comment Mo is Hashim the beat Damn Follow us on Twitter And you'll get

The reference Specifically comment Mo looks like Hashim to beat Yes Look, when you say it, Isaac, sounds charged. When Donovan says it, it sounds like it's taught at me. I'll accept it, though.

I deserve it. If you know, you know, we'll see y'all next time. Follow us on Twitter. Peace.