The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Question Every NBA Team Must Answer In 2024 | Ep. 69

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

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Donovan, I'm just mad that you're not wearing the Clippers Beanie I bought you for Christmas. I put a heart and soul into searching for that gift and you just didn't bother to wear it. I told you what was going to happen immediately. I gave it away. I gave it to my father. You gave it to your dad? Yeah. My dad likes the Clippers.

He likes the Clippers. And so I'm just like... Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Your dad. A New Yorker living in Houston likes the Clippers? My father loves to just like, whatever side I'm on, he's like, I'll just pick the opposite like we've never we've never rooted for the same team at the same time across any sport

ever like it's never happened it's yeah so he he like he likes the clippers they are in his top three teams that he wants to win a title this year do you think he sees your hate on the pod and the season on the shorts and it's like fueled by that and he's like a hundred percent he he he texts he takes me and he's like he's like hey like you need to lighten up on kauai like Like, he, they're lighting up on PG, like, he's, he's, he's a, he's a fan of them. Exactly. Exactly. Like, he actively gets, he actively gets upset.

I'll go over to the house after like a clippers loss. And he's like, man, them dang clippers be, oh my God. He just, he actually, like, he's, he's, he's a fan. He doesn't want to admit it, but he's, he's a fan. But he, but he enjoyed it, though. He, I gave him the bikie. I gave him the shirt. He was like, oh my God, this is so nice.

I was like, you have that. That's ungrateful. Yeah. facts go to hell. What is up everybody? Welcome to episode 69 of the show. Nice. Today we are going to be going through every single team in the league and asking one question that we want them to answer in 2024. By the time this comes out, it's going to be like December 31st, year-end wrap-up. We're going to be looking forward to next year and, you know, giving every team they're due and deciding what the biggest storyline for them is and what we want to find out

about. 100%. 100%. This is this is the time. Listen, new year, new us, right? And NBA teams have to figure out the same thing is as soon as the calendar turns, are we going to be the same old, same old? Or are we going to switch stuff up? So I'm, it's a very big picture pot. And this is, this is my bag. This is what is why I love. I need, I need macro level NBA talk.

I'm glad we're doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Some of these teams, you already know what the answer are is going to be, but others we're actually going to have interesting conversation. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I agree. I think macro stuff is definitely more interesting.

Listen, I love breaking down YX team sucks for these numbers and this as much as anybody, but big picture stuff is just, it's just more fun and more interesting to talk about for a two hour long episode. Exactly, yeah. But before we get to that, I have an announcement.

As you guys saw last week, we had the PS5s. We got them in hand. Activision was great, what's the word? Gracious. Gracious enough to give us three PS5s to give to you guys, cold duty edition. So we told you guys on Twitter,

we told you on the episode, we're giving them away. I have the winners to announce. And that's my burner. Announce my burner. Announce my burner. Please, please, please. Yeah, man.

By the time this episode's out, it's going to be up on the Twitter account, so you might have already seen it there. We pick people. I'm pulling up the screenshots right now. It's taking forever to find them. So I'm talking through the quiet space. I got them.

There you go. The radio guy. At anti-Christcast, I guess the name is Casper. He said, I got to win. Oh, by the way, we told people to reply on Twitter

under the tweet you said about it to win. so I picked through replies and people that retweeted it on random. This guy said got to win I need a late Christmas present for the little bro. Congratulations, Casper. Your little bro gets a PS5. A little bro. Shout out to you. Next up we have at the underscore salamander with two R's.

He said the Pistons losing 30 straight and this PS5 would make my 2023 worth it. I don't know what you have against the Pistons but I can make the PS5 happen. There you go. Hey, 30 straight losses is going to happen to. Congratulations. And it's going to be your, year, your buddy.

Yeah. Last one is at snazzy, 3-5-2-4. He said, me knowing damn well, I'm not going to win, but still entering. And it's a picture of Kamala Anthony saying, this is nothing new. I got some good news for you. You want it. Those are three winners of PS-5s. Give a round applause to these guys.

Exactly. While we're giving them a run of applause, for you guys who ain't win shit, listen up, buddy. Don't get your hearts. Don't get your hopes down. We're going to have plenty more giveaways to go in the future. So continue to show us love across all socials, message with us on Twitter, Instagram, all that. And yeah, man, thank you for guys. Thank you guys for the support.

Exactly, man. Always love giving back to you guys. We can keep doing it, especially with merch, which, spoiler, you may have some news on that department coming soon. Yeah, man. If you're on YouTube right now and the spirit of this, drop a like and subscribe. If you're on audio platforms, rate us five stars a review. Follow us on our socials. Use our individual socials on the screen.

domain T3-1s all that and let's get to the rest of the show Moe, what is the first of the show. Moe, what is the first team we're going to talk about the way generational ass the Detroit Pistons. All right? This is something. I need a trifecta.

Yeah, I need a trifective. We're going to get this quick and easy up out the way. My first question for the Detroit Pistons is, how are you going to fix the massive shithole that you created? Troy Reaver created. Okay. I got some answers. Fire everyone and book everyone a one-way ticket to Turkestan.

All right? That's the quickest way to get to. Yes. Yeah, it's a real place. It's near Indian, Nepal, and Russia. Nice. but they're just the amount of disappointment that's in that city and having to again rebuild you rebuild throughout the last four or five years is easy the most disappointing team

any NBA fan has had to go through this season yeah I guess my question would be can we make it 50 in a row push the street can we get crazy can we make you guys the worst team in sports history is that on the car is that on the cars I think it is I think it is a Listen, K dropped 40 points, man, and they still lost. How, if he's going to do that. If he's going to do that and you are still going to lose, what is the hope? Right? Because either he dropped 40 and you still lose or you could play a team like the Utah Jazz,

who is in the bottom four of the conference, had nine people out and you still lost at home. There's no hope for you. You guys are going to lose at a gym. generational rate. We're never going to see losers this bad. Actually, no, I'll say that again, because I didn't think we would see teams as bad as we used to. And then the pistons were like, hey, watch this. So maybe, yeah, maybe there's somebody who comes along that's worse than they are. But what they have done this year is a disgrace. It really is. We, we saw them boys lose to the Brooklyn Nets. That's what broke the record. Lose to the Brooklyn Nets. McAll Bridges put up a generational

selling performance. Y'all talking about me selling the dress? No, fuck that. Watch McCall just last night. See how many fritos he missed last game, bro. I have no words to describe what these pittance fans are going through whatsoever. Isaac, what's your analysis and shouldn't dig behind what's going on over there? No, they just fucking suck.

I don't do you want to do with my analysis? You're able to break down the worst team of all time? None of the players are good. None of the players fit together. The whole, I guess the point of hiring Monty Williams was to do this like overhaul the culture that shit hasn't worked

clearly there's not the buy in necessary because you know the talk is usually like this team is too talented for all that if you believe that then clearly it's a coaching issue

but I don't even think that's the true case because these players aren't that good they're starting Isaiah Stewart at the four next to a traditional five what team do you know where that would be a good team construction

that is coaching and there's also not a team that would do that right so like yeah it's terrible yeah you guys down horrendously. And your three best players, none of them are good three-point shooters. You're starting two traditional bigs. I guess Isaiah Stewart could shoot a little bit, but like not

great. He's not a super great spacer. You got Alec Berks taking game-winning shots because he thinks he's him calling his number, losing them the game. Like there's just no redeeming qualities to this roster. It's poorly constructed and very untalented from top to bottom. Yeah. What's like, what sucks as just like NBA fan looking at this business seems for me personally, I said that I think in my in my post preseason predictions this team should be in contention

for a play in spot like at minimum. I don't think they're going to make this shit but they should be up in the running they should have no business being the worst team and the NBA. They should be better than the Portland trailers right now. I get what you thought that. I get what you thought that because like it makes sense that a young team

continue to take steps. But they just don't have good players that fit together. No. They're not good. Exactly. No. But they do have good players you're right just the second part of your sentence was all the money just together they're just not they're not good at all yeah and it's it's it's so disheartening i mean i want to cry right now i've been so sorry for you business fans i have one person for you right and i guess we can end the piss and talk because we don't have to spend a lot of time on them they have 52 games left in their season how many more games do they win this year three at most they're gonna go three and

49 for the next four months. Oh, uh, five months. I don't, I don't, I mean, really, maybe like 10. I don't know. Maybe they're not going to the worst team of all time. Like, honestly, how do we even predict that? Because like, if you're generational ass, like, there's no, like, uh, what's the remaining schedule look like? Look, no, it's crazy. It doesn't matter because it really doesn't. It really does. It really does. By game, they're going to be picked to lose every game. So there's no way to predict this. But, hey, listen, you're right. They might, they might, they might only win three games. They, according, listen, they have the fourth hardest schedule left in the NBA. Oh, shit.

It's over. They might be good. Because every team's better than them. So every game is a hard game. It's only. Now, to be devil's advocate, they have been in trade rumors with the past Gam Ciacom's old G 100 obis in the world. Is that moving the needle? Do I do they should do it? No. Please let the trip for Oji. That'd be hysterical. Let the give up of a substantial part of their future for 12 wins instead of six. Please do it. Get Blake Griffin on the phone now. Blake Griffin on the phone, Brad.

And it's, the worst part about all this is that this is the most traction and the most that anybody has ever talked about, the Pistons. They probably traded for Blake Griffin. And before that, it's 2005, 2006 when they won a championship. So they're done. 04. Yeah, that's hilarious. 04.

Yeah, man, they're down bad. Let's move on. Isaiah Thomas. Pick up the phone. He'll think of that phone Exhibitionly. He's probably been calling the other line. He has Troy Weaver on speed dial. Donovan, what team do you want to talk about first?

Let's get back to a relevant team. Yeah, all right. We're going to talk about the Boston Celtics real quick. Okay, what's your question? My question is, and it's very simple. Will we win a championship in 2024? That is the only question for the Celtics because the answer to that question

is going to lead to a lot other questions that will, you know, kind of dictate how the franchise is going to move. Because if they don't- Okay, let's say the answer is no. What happens? If the answer is no, then now you have to ask, is Jalen Brown gone? Is Joe Missoula gone? What are, like, where are we going to divert resources on the bench? Because you went all in on a very top heavy roster.

Is somebody, is somebody going to have to go? Are we still comfortable bringing out Horford back at his advanced age in terms of like NBA terms, right? they they are going to have an expensive payroll once jaylon brown's extension kicks in kristops forzingis just got a new deal tatem tatum has money like everybody is going to get paid and if they don't have a ring to show for it serious changes are going to have to be made so that's the biggest question for them this year interesting mo i have a question for you about based on that i want your perspective because i guess i just got donovan answer if they make the finals

and they lose to let's call it the nuggets do they fire joe mazula Do you fire the coach that gets you to the finals? Because they're that good and have that high of expectations? If they make the finals, then I don't think you fire Joe Missoula. And you lose, you don't fire him in any circumstances. I think the only way you fire him is if you either lose the conference finals or don't even make that. You know, I think that should be the expectation. So you don't just, I don't know, I hate the culture that we, that the, I think, I hate what the NBA has turned into over the last few years in terms of just firing coaches.

True. True. It's very crazy. And having them on the shortest least possible, you know? I think that there's a lot of white ones. Especially than non-white ones. Nate McMillan, he deserved that shit. Doc Rivers, he deserved that shit.

And I'm all for the people. But, hey, those scenarios. But in general, like, going. He said, nah, not, not. Even the black racer. Stephen Silas. Out of here. Not wrong.

But what had no parts of that discourse. We're about getting nasty here, but not, like, I think we've been into, we've had a nasty NBA culture of having coaches on the shortest least possible, even though there are either personnel flaws that need to be addressed. And the Boston Celtics are not perfect, but they're damn near perfect. And I think that if they do come short, well, pause, like a motherfucker. I'm so sorry. Oh, what a reach. You want to reach. Yeah.

You just never know the two of y'all Keep going We weren't anything like that Then if they do have some shortcomings Then I'm reverting back to To Donovan's point It is personal base It's a personal issue

That's a good point There is definitely like coaches No it's the easiest time to scapegoat coaches Because players make so much money And like you tie You pay a Jalen Brown It's hard to move them It's hard

You're not gonna move with Jason Tatum I'm like there's only The way the NBA is moving Into being everyone It's a max contract Or a minimum contract It's harder to make personnel moves and ever where you're these contending teams so i think that's why the coaches get

scapegoat more than ever that's why like mike boonholzer got fired after leading winning a championship and being consistently great every year so you're right coaches are never safe so maybe that shouldn't be a thing but i think it will be i think he would be the scapego if they don't win a championship he he 100 he 100% will be and if they if their offense kind of fizzles out the way that everybody thinks it can be because of their like three point heavy offense and because of the variance, you are going to have a subsection of people that are like, well, they're just two, three point focus. Like, you just can't have that kind of offense. And Missoula's going to be the guy. And there were times, there were times last year where it didn't look like

Missoula really knew what he was doing. There were several games in that conference finals where after a loss, Missoula comes back and he's like, it's my fault. I didn't have the guys ready to play. And as a coach, that's what you're supposed to say. But also at a certain, at a certain point have you guys ready to play like you guys you guys clearly were the more talented team and there were times where they weren't necessarily prepared to go into games so i do think that he would be first on the chopping block if they don't win a championship because like i said earlier the money's too big it's championship robust for the celtics right now and they just need to figure out are we going to be champions or not so yeah i think it's a good point with the three point

reliance thing because if there's new york teams of celtics if it was mine i would have said is the three-point line is going to be an issue because I think if it does become an issue, it actually is Joe Muzula's fault because that is something he implemented and kind of changed identity after I'm a Yudoka, made them a more modern offense, if you will. And I think that's kind of the one worry I have about them. Like, listen, I watch a Christmas game as much as anybody. They beat the shit out of the Lakers. Lakers. Lager's been a fake comeback, but they were the better team. That's going to happen a lot. But I'm just worried that in a playoff atmosphere when they face against another team that is clicking all cylinders, maybe the

bucks figured their weaknesses out and are almost equal footing. I really do worry that we're going to see the same issues we saw with them before these trades where they don't have the playmaking. They get through point reliant and when the nights with their shots don't fall, like it get happening as Miami. They get flooded because the other team has other ways to score besides three-poena reliance. Jason Tatum hasn't been attacking the room like you'd want. We're still going to have the issues of Jaylen Browning force to be a creator when teams double Jason Tatum. I'm a little bit worried. Those same habits are going to come out, which is the only reason that I don't think they're like the clear going to win the championship like everybody

else does. So my question would be that is, are they able to find variance in their offense to not fall into the same problems? Yeah. Yeah. And hopefully they do because this is some fat variance that you're talking about. A couple months ago, Joe Muzula hopped on JJ Redix podcast and was talking about how they didn't have a one-two punch necessarily or any counterattacks to their offense or

to their offense. whenever a defense would settle into what they're trying to do and sniff out what they're trying to do. And so hopefully by that time comes, I hope y'all are right and they do have that other than that. Like, in my opinion, if something happens and they collapse, they need to look at Jalen Brown and possibly put him in the market and see what they can get for him.

I look at Jalen Brown first before I look at getting rid of Jumazula personally. Yeah. Yeah. But honestly, it's funny we're talking about all this. The hilarious part of the conversation is we're talking about worst case scenario that's if they don't win a championship. They have such crazy high expectations being the best team in the league right now that the only way we can talk about them is like if they don't want a championship, what happens? Because it seems like they're going to win a

championship. Exactly. They've also been on the doorstep and they've been as close as you can ask for a team to like consistently get there. So it's about time you do it. Get it done. Yeah. That's another favorites right now. We'll see if that happens. What should we? Do you have a question about? Should we just go to the other? most famous team of all time. Should I just do the Lakers up front? Yeah. Go ahead.

We know you want to. You're itching for it. Let's talk about the Los Angeles Lakers. Woohoo. And this obviously will be a more pessimistic conversation. The whole Celtics conversation was like, we expect them to win the finals. If they don't, what happens? I don't currently expect the Lakers to win the finals.

So my question is, okay, so let me retread that a little bit. The only way they're going to win the finals is if they have an elite defense. Can we agree on that? Absolutely. They have to be a top five defense and a good enough offense. That's been the recipe ever since they got a little bit. Ron. The only way this team can be a top five defense is with Jared Vanderbilt playing big minutes and leading that team defensively with Anthony Davis. My question is, is that possible

because this motherfucker stinks on offense right now. He is ruining their offense. Every time he touches the court and you pair him with Anthony Davis on the court at the same time, Anthony Davis is neutered. His stats scoring with Jared Vanderbilt on or off are hilarious. It's like 30 points every game down to 24 and the rim scoring is like night and day because Jared Vanderbilt just murders their facing. He's currently averaging out. I'll pull it up. I saw it on Twitter the day, a hilarious stat line. It's like 1.5 points per game on 28% field goal percentage. That's so dirty, bro.

It's like we're at peak Andre Roberson levels of impact on defense being great, but offensively just tanks you. And listen, we saw him play last year, and that wasn't the case. There's a way to make it work, especially when we saw in Minnesota playing next to a floor spacing big like cat. But the problem the Lakers currently have is, like I said, they need him to be a top five defense. That's their championship ceiling. But with Anthony Davis, as he is now, without having a jump.

shot these days and really just being like the best rim finisher role man in the league and just really decimating you down low off offensive rebounds and rolls you can't have a non-shooting four next to him it destroys your offense that spacing just doesn't work so that's a big conundrum because if you need him to be good but he also makes you impossible to be good you probably have to trade him right you have to find a new identity yeah exactly and the situation is just so much worse when your shooters that you're passing out to is of course lebron who's been good no shot to him or whatever but you got cam reddish who's a really inconsistent shooter and then you have turing prince who's hit or miss every other night and so seeing what's going on at lakerland

and just the constant like they're in hell right now they've made three or four lineup changes what they've had austin reeves and d'n's or russle started together subbed out uh austin reves put them on a bench and had deal just be the lone starting guards but they got the ass with a couple nights ago and been on this like insane not insane losing streak but they they've been definitely more way more down than there were up and they put both of them on a bench and now they have these two

Cameras and Tori Prince starting and Alibran's back at point guard they're in hell right now all those change is insane so Jade Radnabelle is averaging 1.5 points and 0.6 assists on 28% from the field just had zero threes this year he's made zero threes this year that's great that's yeah granted he was hurt

for a long time we got he was hurt for the first part of the season but still it's been like 10 games Yeah, man. Listen, I think for the Lakers, one, to answer your question, I think that it's possible. I think that they can get to a conference finals, maybe even the finals, with Jared Vanderbilt on the roster and playing major minutes. I think that for a lot of teams, and we've seen like the Warriors do this over the past couple years, when you get into playoff series, things are very, very matchup based, right? So there might be, there might be a series where, you know, you get Vanderbilt on the floor and you just say, we're going to turn this into a rock fight

for seven games and we're going to, we're just going to make this as physical, as slow down as possible. And in that situation, I trust LeBron to make the right decisions in critical moments to, you know, to vault you guys forward. Then you might have another series where it's like, hey, we're just going to have a lot of offense. So Jared, you're just not going to play and you really have to pick your spots, but I think for the Lakers, being versatile is probably going to be their biggest strength and being able to switch back and forth between just a heavy, heavy, heavy offensive team or a heavy, heavy defensive team. And I think that integrating Vanderbilt and having that defensive ceiling, that's always a nice weapon to have in your

pocket to just say, hey, for five minutes, we're going to lock you down. And there's nothing that you can do about it. So I think they can get to that level. Yeah, I agree. But they have to get to the playoffs first and have a good seed so they don't get bounced on the Nuggets first round. And like most said, since they won the season tournament, it's been turmoil because they just, granted it's been some injuries like it has been all year for them. But they've had AD and LeBron healthy and playing well

and are still losing more games than they're winning. IST, turn them and hangover? That is crazy. I'm, no what, I agree with you. The versatility is good. That's the current line it brings them. But they got to find their go-to bread and butter first before they can get into trying to think of other.

looks for a playoff series, do you have to find a steady lineup that makes sense to be the go-to? And like I said, that would have to include Jared Vanderbilt if you want to be in the lead defense. So it's not going to happen. I don't think with Vanderbilt is starting. You're going to have to use Vanderbilt as essentially your backup five and try to find in the trademarker or buyout market another big that can space the floor a little bit to play next to him. That's essential because the biggest problem now is they have Jackson Hayes and Christian Wood as their backup bigs who don't really give them anything right now. That'll make Jared Vanderbilt useful. But I'm starting to think maybe they have to

just make moves and completely change the philosophy and like you're not going to be a lead defense this year. So maybe that makes Zach Levine trade make more sense. The philosophy has changed like four or five times already this season. I think fucking Darwin Ham again remind you back in what August, September. You were saying 80 needs to take six three the game so far this season. That hasn't happened at all. We did not forget. We have you on record while saying that. So, but again, maybe a Zach Levine trade makes sense now. Maybe this type of look defensive heavy is going to be hard to make work with Jared Vanderbilt. So maybe you go offense and you get Levine.

Hold on, Isaac. The streets are talking. Can I interest you in a Dejante Murray? Good fucking Lord, no. You can take that shit and send it anywhere else. You can interest Orlando Magic with the Dejante Murray if you'd like. Hello, man. That's funny.

Don't sleep on Jean-Tier Murray too much now. And I understand he's not your favorite archetype of player, but he is very. valuable and he could fix a lot of problems that the Lakers do have and in terms of and in terms of needing someone who brings a level of consistency on both ends and not leaning too hard because I feel like if you lean too hard into either all defense at that at that point in time on a non-basketball level that's when you mess with player psyche and look me in the eye through this camera are you seriously going to tell me that Dejante Murray this year has been the poster boy for consistency

defensively. As a Hawksman. I'm off to Dezante Murray. I'm off to Desjante Murray right now. I was trying to scam your ass. I'm from Atlanta. Look, you got me.

Okay, whatever. The point is you need a player who can help find and solidify your identity. That it be Desonte Murray? Listen, man. We can talk off to the pot if you want. I can run you through the,

I can run you through the My League simulation right now if you want to, you know. Man, what's your next team, Mo? all right so you mentioned it earlier the next team is the Orlando magic um we can keep this semi short but who is the point guard of the future this team is here palo ben care is trotting his way in my opinion to his first all-star game franz wagner is a great player window carter junior's back their rookie anthony black has been solid as possible but with all

that being said have still a hole at that point guard spot and that hole is they need someone to And currently they have Mark Hill Fultz, who's only played like five games this season, a total of like maybe two hours on the court. And in those two hours of playing basketball, he's took four threes, two hours of basketball, only playing shooting four threes. And with those two hours of basketball that he's been on the court, the Orlando Magic have an offensive, have an offensive rating with him on the court of 107. With him off, they have like 115, which makes them closer to league average. crazy. Yeah, it's not even good, but it's a lot better. It's a lot better than what they are with him.

Yeah, 107's abysmal. I agree. The problem with this question is, I don't think we're going to get the answer this year. I think this is maybe a next off-season answer if they can figure it out. But I don't see this being answered imminently. So I agree. That's what they got to answer, but I don't see like a clear solution coming anytime soon. Yeah, I think the move for them, or the only way that this gets answered,

is if they make a deal. And so I think that the question for them is, are we going to speed up our timeline? Because you guys are fourth in the east right now, very good defensively. Like you said, Palo is on his way to an all-star game. Do you want to say, all right, we've got to make the move right now.

We'll take some of these young players, some of these picks, we'll ship them out. And we're going to start being in win now mode. And we're going to get the point guard of the future, quote-unquote, in the building right now. I think that's more of the question for the magic. and how serious do you take this very successful season and how, you know, how much do you press the gas?

I think that that's going to be very interesting this offseason and even at the deadline to see what they want to do. I think a good way to frame that. They don't have to go all in and find like the point guard of the future necessarily, but get a point guard similar to what the Minnesota Timberwolves did with trading for Mike Conley. Get a point guard who can help lay the blueprint and foundation of what you should have going into the future that we don't have to buy in too hard and sell off hella picks for no absolutely no reason and just have someone steady ready and someone who can fucking shoot and play okay

defense that's it yeah i agree i think that's not a lot of those solid three point guards i was thinking about that too i was like i was thinking to the my colony example exactly and i was thinking i was like who's going to be available this trade deadline like it seems like de jante's in the trade block i don't think any of us want that fit we're talking We're talking about shooting as the number one thing they need. Dejante has become a good enough shooter. It's not tank you, but not an overtly impactful shooter, so it's not a good fit there. He's been a good shooter.

You've seen like 30% from the three point line this year. No, yeah, but there's a difference between being a floor spacer and being that type of shooter he is and shooting a high percentage on a lower volume. Maybe his volume's higher than I expect. Maybe that's surprise me. But you know, he's not like coming off a screens, not somebody that's not going to really be threatened by, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's not his game for sure.

I want to throw a name out here for you guys. want to throw a name out here for you guys if you were the magic would you call up the new york nix and see what what's the price for emmanuel quickly i like that a lot right do you think emmanuel quickly is that much better than col anthony are they just getting two six men that aren't great defenders that's true i think well i do you want i'm starting for you yeah i do i think and listen quickly hasn't been like as good this year as he was last year when he was like, you know, like, what, third, I think in the, in the sixth year of the year. But he is, his money is, is about to be on the table, right?

The Knicks are about to have to pay them. And they have a lot of decisions. And so I think if you are, if you're the magic, right, you want to, you want to get a guy still young, can, can chew all these things that we're talking about. Can give effort on the defensive end, like, there's, there's something there maybe, if you want to talk about it and something that might work out for. for both parties. So I think, I think that might be an interesting call to take. I wouldn't hate that. I like that. Who else is there, man? Right. And I don't know. Who else is on the trade market? Like, there's not a ton of point guards available right now that we can project going forward. If they can't, we can, we can end this Orlando magic conversation here. But if they

can't pull the trigger on finding a PG to give them that spacing, that's completely fine. Mike Connolly's literally a free agent. Uh, this awesome. And they can make some shake right there. There you go, man. Mike Connolly. Welcome to this. team. Yeah. Who's next? Donne, who's your next team? All right. We're going to have just a short conversation. I don't want to know what you guys think. We're going to talk about the Portland Trailblazers real quick. And the question is, are we building correctly around Scoot Henderson? Because it is very clear that, right, you just took Scoot second overall. He's had his ups and downs. He's been playing better in December than he has in the first two months of the season.

I would ask the Blazers, you see what's going on in Detroit. You have an athletic guard who can't really shoot, and you have him surrounded with non-shooters. If Scoot is the guy that you want to build around, are you going to have proper shooting around him so that your slashing point guard can get to the room and do the things that he does best? And so for them, I want them to figure out, are we doing this the right way? Because he's clearly the guy that you want to build around, but that you're at least going to divert. resources to make sure that he is in the best situation possible to develop.

Yeah, my answer to that would be settled down. I think this might be Anthony Simon's team. Exactly. I was saying, I don't even right now with the stage that this team is on, the spot of for being the guy is up for grabs and Anthony Science is killing it right now. 27 points per game, 5.3 assists, 3.1 rebounds,

40% from 3 off of a high volume of off the dribble 3s, and 45% from the field. He is killing it before the year started I said he win most improved player he's not gonna make it because he missed 20 games to start the season if that wasn't the case I think he would probably be the favorite

with Tyrese maxi right now he's been legitimate star level player just on a team nobody cares about so you guys don't think that Scoot like I it's like Scoot is it's still hard for me to think that they are not going to

divert a lot of resources to make sure that like Scoot is developing you know properly and that he that like they are going to do everything in their power to make sure that like hey if it doesn't work out it's not going to be because of us it's going to be because of him so i just like and him and simons fine right you're listen you're going to be bad anyway you don't have to have a perfectly constructed championship team but are you going to have him out there with two of the non-shooters and then two traditional bigs like like the pistons are you going to do that or are you going to be

somewhat competent offensively to where people can run around and actually play basketball i think That's the question. Yeah. I think, I agree. They're going to have to put scoot in the best position to show that he was worth that pick. And, you know, he's been, he was trash start the year. He's getting a little bit better now. People are overreacting a little bit to that.

I think we probably have to recalibrate expectations a little bit with like maybe he's not going to be one of the best guards in the league. But jury's still extremely out. He can still be extremely good. But I think what Moe said of like the position of franchise players up for grabs right now, I think there's definitely still in that route where they're not going to jump the gun and like they're not going to trade simons like we thought they might you know yeah i think they don't with the way scoots in playing and the way they have so much time left in this rebuild

they're not going to move simons end up regretting it if scoot doesn't become like a star star you know yeah yeah exactly and at this point in time if i'm like a trailer's fan or taking even further if i'm a part of their front office i'm sitting down here with my arms crossed and i'm just thinking in the back of my head i'm not having any of these conversations out loud but i'm just thinking of myself. Who's going to be the one to get traded out of this core, a Shaden, Sharp, Anthony Simons, or Scoot? Because I can't keep three of them. I'm not going to, I am not going to have another, Damien Lewis, Sassidy McCollum, situation that's insane trauma and PTSD. Can't put those fans through that again. And so, this is just a waiting game that they have

to play. And they, honestly, I think they're, this waiting up that they're playing right now is one of the best positions that any fan in the NBA could be because they're actually winning games here and there and not a complete like lost cause. Not the Pissons, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Interesting. I mean, logic would say it would be Simons. You know, he's the oldest. His time

lines accelerated. He's on his second contract. But he's killing it. And maybe there's a little bit of doubt setting in that Scoot isn't the athlete we thought he was. Maybe isn't the score we thought he was. Like, maybe Simon is a better player in five years. He's a strong. He's just strong.

Yeah, so like you're right It's a weird problem to have But it's a good one long term Because inevitably you have At least one player That can be moved for complimentary pieces Going forward as his rebuild continues to progress Yeah

Yeah exactly Do you want to open up the next can of worms Isaac The next can of worms What a good transition verbid Let's see You give a bad team Let's go to an interesting team

My question about the Philadelphia 76ers Can they get another wing defender on this team. And is it OG and Obie? Ooh. OG on this team would be so tough.

That's something that no one has any real conversations. Yeah. Moos me. Wow. This team is good. They're legit.

Listen, I talk about it at length. I've converted to a Joelle and B. Truther. I'm all in on Nick Nurse and Tireus Maxi being everything we need

around Joelle and B to make a legit run at a championship. Barring good health, which is always impossible to bar because he's never done it. She does. This team is legit.

This team can very feasibly be the second best team in the east, and if that's the case, he's got as good a chance as anybody by upsetting the Celtics and potentially making a run. This would be the best year they've had in years to do that. But they'd have an even better chance if they used some of those picks that they got in the James Hardin trade when they reloaded with assets and found another defender. Right now, they're starting Tyrese, De Anthony Melton, and Kelly Ubrey, next to Tobias Harris and Joeline beating the front court. That's okay, and the Anthony Melton's been good. He's a good all-m-wall defender. Kelly Ubra's been good. I'd personally feel a lot

better if one of those guys was your six-man. Their bench is decent, but not great. And I think if you could bring him one more core piece there to really short your defense, I'd feel very comfortable with their depth. Hmm. Man. It makes sense. It makes sense. I think for a team who we've seen, like, has fizzled out, right? If you can get O.J. Nenobie, who obviously has ties to Nicknors that would be fantastic and when you're going up against teams like the Milwaukee bucks and the Boston Celtics having wing defenders is really freaking important and it would be very it would be very helpful so yeah I like correct I like that that idea and I think that that is interesting to just see how much of like how much of buyers that they are at the deadline

so yeah I'd imagine they'll be pebbly buyers like I know they're a good team they're top 10 offense and defense last time I checked maybe they fell out of one who knows things move quickly you're right they are great that's a recipe to be a great team but despite being a good defense they're a good defense mostly because joel and beat has been incredible he's been like putting on all defense caliber rim defense here they're seventh in rim efficiency but they're 23rd and rim volume given up because they don't have the best on ball defenders that stop people from getting them in the first place hey no if you had joel and b back there it's like a prime rubea bear in the jazz situation where that's okay because he'll clean up a lot of your

mistakes but that that's the thing the 25th in points of possession against isolations, 19th against post-ups, those two things both scream to me. You got a lot of small guards that are being attacked in Tyrus Maxey and Melton. And, you know, they're not horrible defenders, but, you know, it would be nice to have another big body to prevent that in most lineups. Thanks. It's just a lot of small things where they can shore up a lot of things around the edges on both sides of the ball if they have another wing defender that can make threes. Okay, so I have a question for you guys. Let's say, Masai Jiri, he's just acting like how we know he's probably going to act whenever he gets on the phone and people mentioned OG or

Pascal. What is another potential option that you would want to sell or that you would want to buy? Could it be maybe potentially a Jeremy Grant? Would you try for a Lari-Marketing or what? Those guys are too expensive, I think.

I would look at like a Royce O'Neill or something, like a good role player that's on a team that's willing to make moves. Damn, Royce O'Neill, that's such a fall from hell compared to O.G. Not really, I mean, it's fine. I mean, it's fine. Yeah, it would just take one first-on pick. It would be like instead of going all in you again find one more person to make your depth really good whether it be OG maybe Dorian Finney Smith someone like that that's on a rebuilding team that could be

moved that's nice yeah yeah I like that I like that that process they got they got the assets for it and I want to see them want to see them put it to use because this is their time more than ever yeah and so this could be their time to make that move at the deadline with those assets and like see they get an OG who's going to be a pending free agent they would have to send assets out to get him and then hope they have a wink-wink deal in place to re-sign him, so it makes sense. Or maybe if that's not something that makes sense, they wait until the summer to try to sign him outright because they can clear up cap space, which would basically involve waving everybody besides Tyrese and Joel and Bede. So, you know, there's options. They don't

have to do with the deadline. But I think they probably see as much as I do that this is a year they can make a legit run. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Like, you might fulfill pressure to not waste the best year of Duelan Bid's career. Yeah. I exactly. Time is. now time is now philly yep yeah he's Joel 30 years old and he's not getting any younger he's 30 what he's 30 bro oh my no really there's no way yeah fact check me roe he's 30 jolly 30 30 30 30 30 is 29 he's 20 to march oh he's the same birthday as me I forgot about he's the same birthday him and blake grvin both born in the same day as me wow no just five years fire nice but yeah that's that is that is crazy man he's been to be 30 by the end of the season

He's not going to, my point is he's not going to get any help here as time goes on. Yep. And if he has a healthy playoff run this year, it might be the only one he has in the next four years. So you cannot waste it. Exactly. Exactly. Speaking of, uh, Julian Bied, I guess it's only fair to talk about the other best center in the NBA, Nicole Yokic and the Denver Nuggets.

So my biggest question for them, it's not really a question. We all know how good they are. We've seen the Bruce Brown replacements, aka Christian Brown. And Payne Watson, they've done a lot of good things. They've had a stellar season off the bench so far. But it's just general question. Can they stay healthy? Can they really lock in once that time goes around?

And I'm assuming, yeah, we just heard today that, what's his name? Aaron Gordon got his face bitten off, not bitten off, but he got pinched my God. Yeah, yeah, he had an accident where a dog bit him on Christmas Day. He needs to be out for some time. We don't know exactly how long. Yeah, exactly. And so just general health questions. That's it.

How good can Jamal Murray be in the playoffs? I'd assume it's going to be fantastic as usual. No real questions over there. So any questions that y'all have? I feel like what you're dancing around and what you're really asking is, are they going to give a fuck come playoff time? Yeah. Right now they don't give a damn.

Joe Gish does not give a fuck about the sport right now in regular season. He is coasting. That's amazing. Coasting like we've never seen before, bro. We've seen them have to like straight up some of the worst. run some of the worst ball over the last two years in the course of like two weeks and

with the top of the ball that he's playing is just like it's not like he's actually been straight up lazy or maybe that is what it is. He's just being straight up lazy. It's just like one of those moments right now. Listen, it's a championship hangover, MVP hangover. He's not playing for an MVP anymore. We can shut

down. We all thought he'd win the MVP coming to the season. He doesn't want it. And if we're going to win MVP, you got to want that shit bad. He does not. He's currently shooting 64% at the rim. His lowest since his record year. He's just missing bunnies. He's a seven-footer just missing bunny because he's not trying that hard. That's simply what it is.

Yeah, man, they'll be all right. And we've seen the Nuggets like, listen, at the end of last regular season, we've seen the Nuggets go stretches of basketball. We're like, we're fine, right? We're just coast. And like you said, after the championship, now it's all it's about is, can we get back there? Can we be healthy whenever the playoffs come?

Because this is a team that their championship last year probably could have came either a year or two earlier if it wasn't for injuries and so now they want to make sure they want to be 100% healthy and so i will check in 100% or i will start being concerned about the denver nuggets if we get to post all-star break and they still look like this because there's going to be a ramp up process and there's going to be a process of you know trying not to peek too early or get or peek at the right time talk to me in march about the nuggets and if they are still looking lethargic then i will say, okay, maybe, maybe there's something, maybe there's something here, right? Maybe we need to check in a little bit more.

The other thing is, though, that's the thing. They're lethargic. They're eight and two in the last 10 games, and they're firmly in the two seed. They're not going to fall below the three seed because the top three have a pretty big lead over the rest of the conference. I think this will be who they are for most of the regular season. And like Donovan said, they'll have a ramp up come towards the end of the year where they know they've got to get into real game intensity ready for the playoffs.

It's kind of where we're at the point where we've seen with a lot of containing teams for previous years. There's been years where like the Celtics to the three seats instead of the one or the bucks where the three seat

instead of the one whatever may be we don't really give a fuck because we know what they're playing for that's kind of where we're at with the nuggets at this point. Yeah.

Agreed. I agree. What's your next team, Donovan? Um, all right, let's go here because I think this is kind of interesting. I want to talk about

the Indiana Pacers and my question is can they get Paul George to come home? Woo! I love it! I did not see that coming. that surprised me i think i think listen paul george is 33 years old the clippers have they've been playing

well but right if they don't have the season that they think that they will have like if they don't win a championship if they don't get to the conference finals or anything like that what does it look like when paul george is up for an extension kwa leonard is up for an extension james hardin needs needs his money as well where do they go and if you're the pacer's you have tyrese halliburton you have a franchise cornerstone, can you get a two-way wing to help take your team to the next level, another on-ball creator, somebody who also can play off ball of Tyrese, and now you have two stars, two all-stars on your team to take this like win now mode and start making a push towards the top of the Eastern Conference for real, for a. I want to see. That'd be awesome. I want to

see that that happened. And there's been a little bit of chatter about Paul George's going back to Indiana? How serious are the patience about bringing somebody in to help Tyrese? That's what I want to say a little bit of chatter. You say a little bit of chatter. I think it's been a lot of bit of chatter buying closed doors because on all George's podcast, he slipped in that Tyrese Halliburton showed him around some of the new eateries over there in Indiana. Apparently they'd be throwing that shit down. Do I believe it? Hell not. I've been to Indiana plenty of times. They do not throw that shit down. But regardless of the fact, this would be a seamless fit. Paul George is one of the most, probably the most seamless fit NBA player in the NBA point bank period. But seeing

him next to Tyrese and set that, that just like we are going to lock down and put more effort into playing defense and play the game more holistically instead of leaning 110% on just simply getting buckets. I think that'll be beautiful, beautiful for them because they're wing options and Aaron A. Smith, he's been a great defender, but on offense, he's not as great as you'd want him, of course. Bruce Brown, he's been good, but

he's had up and down season. But he healed has literally most most faces fans in hell. And so they just, they need, they need someone who can be that secondary initiator and they need all, just straight up another star. Yeah. I can't lie to you. Halberd is here. Yeah.

There's nothing I want more. In 2024 NBA free agency, and for Paul George to decline his player option and sign with the Pacers. We need it. It would be incredible. It would be fire.

Awesome. Storyline-wise, awesome. On court-wise, incredible duo for all the reasons you guys just said. Perfect fit. And just get us out of the hellscape that is the Clippers.

They're playing great right now. I can't get myself to find too much hope in it because we know what to expect come playoff time with the Clippers the way the past few years have gone down. This would free us of that, get us an awesome duo, a good storyline to make Paul George

extremely likable again. the podcast would be on fire it would be great I need him to do this yeah we need it Paul George listen listen to us go home go home

the taxes are too high you don't even like it like that don't try to pretend you do exactly we know he misses fishing too bro guys you love Oklahoma you love Indiana I promise

just a small-time guy we get it you'll love being back in town I love that I love that that that's great even if it isn't Paul George I'm curious, like, what's, right now they're not a contender, they're not rebuilding.

They're firmly stuck in the middle of being a good team with a true all-star on their team. No real second guy, but a good cast of role players. That's a hard place to be unless you can make a trade for a second star, which, you know, they have their full case of picks, I'm pretty sure. So that's possible. Well, besides the ones they sent out for Tyrese, which wasn't a lot because the bonus was the main part of that trade. I don't know what the next step is, even if it's not Paul George. So far this season, they should be no next step other than just let's see how far we can take this thing and then make assessments.

Not that far, though. You know, you know what's going to happen. We know. We know, but I think you want to see how far you can go and then see what pieces should stick along with Tyrese and Miles Turner assuming that he's going to be a long-term piece over there and rock out from there. I think that's the best option. They can throw a slew of young, good, productive players. along with their picks to make that happen in the trade market

if Paul George doesn't decide to go ahead and make something happen but yeah I don't think they're necessarily to be in a rush to do anything man let's get Pascal Seaccom in Indiana let's do it let's get it let's get a second star I don't care who come on anybody so many

of my questions on here are trade related I'm just like in that mindset right now like how are these teams going to improve I mean this is what I have a question for you that leads me to my next team. Okay. The Cleveland Cavaliers, do they trade Donovan Mitchell? Do they start the retool?

I'm teed up to y'all. I say yes. Probably not. I say yes. I get why you say that. Yes. No matter, you go ahead and go first. Explain why you say that.

Okay. I think that like for the calves, the expectation this year was to take another step forward. And we talked about it earlier The first scapegoat for a lot of these teams Because the money is so big is going to be the coach So if they listen Mowgli's out Garland is out for a lot

J.B. Biggestaff is probably out of there By the end of this year And they most likely will run it back With their four core players But it's so clear Everybody knows that Donovan Mitchell doesn't want to be there And so I think that for Cleveland

Like it might get to a point where they Maybe not like proactively like shop him but behind closed doors yeah but like behind closed doors like Mitchell might not come out publicly and say I want to be traded but they go behind closed doors it's like listen I don't want to be here they're like yeah we can tell all right we'll work something out and so that that's that's where I think this is headed and so I it's hard for me to think that Mitchell's going to be on this team going into next year especially they they're lined up to be in the playing race if they don't win a playoff series for the second straight year what are you

do it. So that's, that's my thought. Side note. Side note, Kevin Durant had 16 assist tonight as a recording career high. 16. Wow. 16 assists. Good job. He thinks he's Tyler and Halliburton. Oh my God. That's crazy. But now I feel you though. Um, I add similar thoughts. Like, I think it's only going to happen if, you know, like you said, Garland and Evan Mobley are both out for extended periods of time. They might spiral in some losses. Donner Mitchell might grow increasingly frustrated. I think we know him to be a rather high character guy so he probably won't have like a falling out publicly with bad biolinguish and all that. I think that's what it would take for that trade to happen like it clearly falling apart chemistry wise. And it's always possible

when you have a superstar that for all we know probably doesn't want to be there and a coach that's probably not long for that team. I just don't think it's going to happen because I think he's a very high character guy and I don't see that in the cards for him like he's not going to be a crybaby on the court. So I think they probably don't, but I won't be shocked. talking. Yeah. I can read with you guys. I can read with you guys. But me personally, I wouldn't want to make a move happen so fast because I'd want to, I'd want to run it back at least one more time with this group minus J.B. Beckerstaff. Like I said, that Turkestan plane, put Davey Bakerstaff's name on that right. And he used to be on a ticket. Put him in first class over

there. Headline, face of it. But I'd also want to give a chance this team with another center and see if you can break up the non-shooting combo. And listen, Daredown is great, but we know that there's, this team was put together with the hopes that the shooting would become less of an issue because Evan Mobley would take strides there. If he's not going to, and you don't want to get rid of Donald Mitchell because he's the second best player I've ever had in franchise history, then you make a new different personnel change and you try it with, you know, one less non-shooter on the court. I'd rather try that next year before giving up on Demitch. There's this one Kaz fan typing to you right now. It's like, you don't understand what Kyrie ever did for this city. You weren't here during the donations for us during Thanksgiving.

That's me That's me That's me Is Donovan Mitchell Better than Kyrie Irving? Oh yeah I mean Carrey's great but like

Come on I mean I feel like it's a I feel like it's a conversation I guess But listen there's always going to be the He played with LeBron If DeMitch played with LeBron

They would also win that chip And I love Carrie Everything he did He had a fantastic year Was a perfect player there That big shot Incredibly valuable Yeah

The number one option Come on Yeah, but if demons play with Deon Waiters, no, I get it, of course. And they're probably getting the number one overall pick two again. So, yeah. I think Deamon's a little bit better as number one option. I think he's proved that he can handle that workload,

come playoff time, he's had memorable moments that I just think the jury's out with Kyrie. We just know he's not the number one guy on a team. It's close. It's close. We're getting sidetrack. Yeah, you're right. My bad Kyrie fans. I know, I don't know time for being not the biggest Kyrie fan.

I get it. I was once a young Kyrie fan too he's my favorite player in 2011 as well I think I got skipped overs maybe I'll do two teams in a row yeah you did let's go let's knock out I have mo the side of these teams and he gave me the worst list of teams possible y'all I'm fin to knock out like two rebuilding teams get him over with

I got two okay well knock out the wizards and the bulls together I don't I don't want to talk about them y'all y'all I'm staying silent okay question for the wizards how good can Balal Kulabali be is he going to be the long term answer at point guard slash combo guard I love him he's gonna be really good

I think he has all the tools everything we were promised with him defensively with his length can potentially be a good finisher as he gets older all that stuff he's gonna be dope how good can he be and I want to see him continue to be empowered as the season goes on because right now they're very you know Jordan pool very that heavy

very Kyle Kuzma very Denny Avdiha I want to see Kalabi I mean Kulubali I keep saying his name wrong continue to get more burned and I want to you know late in the season we often see young players to get more touches than early in the year and explode

and we kind of like take that hope into next year I want the opportunity to get hype for Kula Bali second Chicago Bulls

is Kobe White the franchise point guard he's been killing it since Zach Levine went out they're gonna trade his ass he doesn't want to be there he's being a negative

player because he clearly hates that team is Kobe White the answer there do you continue to keep him on the team long term as that guard if you're going towards a rebuild is he there

if you're going towards retooling and being competent is he there like they have a big decision to make there with that guy suck all right

I'm not talking about them I don't care I don't care about the wards I don't care about the Bulls whatever yeah no I care about the Bulls I think Kobe White's good and I think

they can either get a good trade for him for a team that values him long term if they don't or he might be a very interesting part of their next generation because he's getting the touches that he's becoming the player

of Bulls fans of wanting to be for a while yeah about damn time it just sucks that it's like not too late but it's like we could have needed We could have really used this back like two years ago in Lantos.

There's six and four in the last 10 and he's a major part of that. He's been incredible. That is true. That is true. Can't hang on him too much. Maybe it's too good because they're winning games

and we need them to lose games so they can make smart decisions and blow it up. That is very true because a couple of weeks ago for just to add context this a couple of weeks ago I believe it was two weeks ago.

Someone who brought to the Chicago Bulls said that they were out looking for win now talent and out pieces when this run initially started. And that's very discouraging and disheartening to hear I was just called Wolf's Fame who's just been trapped

in the mud of mid over the last few years. Yeah, fuck. I hope they're not dumb again, but you can't rule it out. It is, what it is, man. Back to your next team, Donovan. Yeah, please. My next team is the Charlotte Hornets and my- Okay, mid-on-mid, let's go.

I have two questions for them. One. No, pick one. Don't, don't cheat. Pick one. Listen, I have two. I have two if you want. The first one is, who are we trading for?

Because you need somebody alongside the mellow ball. And two, it's all trades. And two, listen, this is a, it's all trades and it's all coaching, right? Because I think that like when you start looking at big picture NBA stuff, one of the things that is very underrated when you're talking about teams is what is your identity and what is your direction. Do you know, do you have a plan for what you're going to do? Because if you don't, you are in a very terrible. situation, right? It's one thing if you're bad, but you know that, but you know that you're

going to be bad. You know that you're going to do stuff. If you're batting, you're just wandering. That's even worse. So for the, so for the hornets, who are you, who are you trading for? Are you getting somebody alongside lamella ball? And secondly, is Steve Clifford going to be the coach of this team next year? Steve Clifford in two years is 34 and 76 as the head coach. Granted, Lamelo ball has been hurt for a lot of that. And that, I don't know, I, 100% affects your record and your ability to win games. But like the theme of the show is, coaches get fired, fair or not.

This is just what happens. Yeah. But they need to figure out, like, listen, Melo's our guy, who are we pairing him with? What direction do we want to go and start moving in a new direction? Because they had a little bit of, you know, hoped maybe to be like a playing team or something, maybe fight for that.

And they don't really have that right now. So that's what I want to see. Yeah. I get that. I think they'd probably tell you that Brandon Miller's is a guy and they have high hopes that he can develop into a star. Mark Williams

being your big of the future potentially, hopefully. I think they'd probably tell you that. They're not in a rush there. But to your point, they have a move looming, whether it be for another guy guy or retooling because PJ Washington was re-signed as a restrictive free agent.

The whole league knows. He was signed to be traded. On a team-friendly contract, 15 million a year, everybody in the league assumes he's not going to be the long term Bridges his ass is on a one-year contract I would hope he's not in their long-term future he probably is because they don't give a shit about anything that's not trying to win games clearly

is he going to be the long term maybe if not that's two four positions you got to figure out long term like those two guys combined have given them a couple big question works yeah on top of Rosier and Hayward aging and their you know their health and all that stuff they have a lot of holes that they have to fix so let's let's get stuff shaking right let's let's get the ball rolling so that to that way if lamello does get hurt next year you are not one of these absolute worst teams in the league and you can at least be somewhat competent yeah no it's interesting they're what are they right now they're 13th in league right now 13th in the i mean in the conference 7 and 21 lamello's out for a while longer they could sneakily turn this into a tankier and get one more high pick to compliment lamello and brandon miller and like have a real core for the first time of there. Rozier is a good trade candidate.

Like, he can help some teams. He's good. And Rosear is genuinely a great player. We've seen him step up and he's had plenty of great playoff moments. Now, yes, it was back in like 2018, a couple.

I don't know about plenty. But for, for the player that a lot of people expect him. Yeah. Asking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

But they can, in my opinion, to what you said, to what you alluded to, Wessig, this could possibly be a taking year. I think it absolutely should be a taking year. Sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm going to cut you off. Should the magic trade for Terry Rozier?

That's a great piece, to be honest with you. Okay. I don't know if he's like the 100% answer, but they don't need the answer and he could be that contemporary piece. I'm intrigued. I'm sorry to go up. Keep going. I had to get that out for.

I forgot. Could he be a Laker? Oh, absolutely. Lakers fans of theorize that for a lot. while. He would make a lot of sense. And PJ Washington as well as a Ford who can defend and shoot. I would love a D.Lo, maybe Ruey, or probably not Rui, but Dilo and picks for the picks are the main attracting part for Charlotte for Rozier and PJ Washington. That'd be fantastic as a Lakers fan.

Man, yeah. That's our point. T.H.P. and the thing they can trade two first on picks, that's a good package for Rozier and PJ Washington. Yeah, exactly. I, they, the Charlene Horace have a lot of players that they can just go ahead and sell off and just commit to the tank and rebuild the shitty identity that they've like been massed over the last few years. So I think that's the way to go, honestly. I'm thinking it can get you popping, bro. If they get another high pick with Brandon Miller, Mark Richards, and Lamella, that's a good starting point. It sucks that this has to be their tanking year because so far this NBA, this upcoming NBA draft class, it doesn't look the strongest over the last few years. But they got to do what they got to do. And they already have their guy in the mellow ball and Brandon, Brandon, Miller has been hooping so far this season. So they'll be straight. Let's talk about real basketball.

The Minnesota Timberwolves. My biggest question for them, we see how good Carl Anthony Towns has been so far this season. Rudy Gobert is there. He is the second best player of this team. My question is, with how prone to playoff lapses that Carranty Towns is, how good can Anthony Edwards be? Because it doesn't matter, like, if your third guy flails off.

He's seen it plenty before like LeBron James in those Cleveland Cavaliers days with Kevin Love, like he does he completely shrinks when the light is the brightest cat may do the same thing, but is that he's a shrinker. He might be. And if that's what it is, it's okay because if your guy is that guy, then it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Okay. So you're asking is Anthony Edwards good enough to carry the workload even if cat fails again? Yes. This season specifically. So, okay.

Uh, yes. Cool. Short answer. I think that Ant could probably be good enough for the archetype of team they are. They're going to be heavy defense. Like we know, the first in the league, Rudy Go Bears is chewing for DPOI is happening. That's going to be the bedrock of this team.

And for the championship teams that we've seen in recent years do that and have that be their identity, they're all like the 12th best offense or so. That's all they have to be. So the question is, can Anthony Edwards pick up more the load in the playoffs and keep them as a 12th best offense in the league yeah i think so anthony edwards are you him just let me know right let me know i just i just need to see outside of ain't is there any real questions that you guys have about the same i feel pretty confident

in knowing who they are honestly i guess the biggest question will be like what version of cat we're getting i'm pretty confident what aunt will be given off the last year's playoff run what we've seen from this year i don't have any worries about him come playoff time i Zero worries are Rudy Gobert. We saw him in the playoffs. What he saw him doing previous runs where he had to defend everybody because he had no perimeter defenders

and he was left out the dry to try to defend everything. Not going to be an issue because they have elite perimeter defenders in this team. The only question mark is obviously Carl Lincoln Towns. We're seeing the best version of him

right now with this core. Are we going to see that in the playoffs? I don't know. Nobody knows, right? You can't even predict it. You just got time we'll tell, right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Unpredictable. But regardless of what it is, T. Bulls fans should be so fucking prime to themselves. Yeah, they're gonna be good. I'm confident they're gonna have a good playoff run. I don't really have any doubts about them right now. Yeah, exactly. I can agree to that. I can agree to that. They're big, they have the

easy, the best three big man rotation in the entire NBA. Next team, let's get it popping. I have a spicy one. Next team, the Dallas Mavericks. My biggest question mark, not even question mark, it's not a question mark at all. My biggest question I'm throwing out into the ether. Is

Luca don't just the best player in the NBA? Are we just there? Is he taking the crown this year? Is he the guy right now? Seeing him give the Dallas Give the Phoenix Suns 50 And eviscerate them On both ends of the court

Is the craziest shit ever? Is it surprising? No. That was one of the best individual games In the radio season I've ever fucking seen. No exaggeration. They doubled his ass on every single possession

in the second half. Damn near. No, it's exaggeration because you can't every play, but every time they could, they threw two bodies. And I've never seen somebody pick a part of defense with that much precision as a score and a passer in one game. We know there's those vintage games of James Hardin where we saw him have like 60 point triple doubles

and like we talk about how he became like numb to it. That's what he just did. It was the same thing. And we know James Hardin's that type of guy, just playoffs never held up. Luca does hold up in the playoffs and gets better. I think right now he might be peaking the same place that Peek James Hardin did.

And if Pete James Hardin was Pete James Hardin in the playoffs, we would have been talking about him as the best player in the league too, side by side with LeBron. I think we might be there with Luga Donchish. And I know we did the MVP episode

of the stream a couple weeks ago and I didn't have him in my MVP ballot. Change my mind. This is wrong with he. Right now, Joel and Bede is the favorite to win the MVP because the team success mostly. They both been incredible.

Lucas right there. If this team continues to go to run and win games and if the 76ers slip in a little bit, this is his year to win an MVP, if that happens. Man, oh man, I couldn't be even more wrong with my assessment about the Dallas Mavericks because Luca Dodgers is just literally, he might, with the way he's been playing, I cannot be mad if you crown him as the best player in the NBA.

He's average, like, 33 and 9 and 8 the season so far, leading them almost in every single statistical category. And, like, the best player in the world title honestly just goes to whichever the top four or five guys won the title last. That's how this conversation goes. It's lazy. But like, take aside all that. Let's not even think about team success.

Yokic and Yonis are the two best players in the world. And B's right behind him, whoever you feel about them, break the season, playoffs difference, we'll see. Lucas played himself into that caliber, I think. I think, you know, last week we did the best players in the world. Right now, top 30, I put Curry ahead of him. Maybe it's overreaction on Christmas Day.

I think I was wrong. I think Lucas should be top four at least. Right now, it's safe to say that he's, surpass him. Donovan, you've been real quiet. What are you thinking? Yeah. Man, it's tough. This is the conversation that I've been trying to hold off on for a minute. It's time, bro. I know. It is time. Just because like you said, the best player in the world conversation, you have to get to the finals, right? I think you have to get there. You have to win a title generally. But man, this guy's unstoppable. This guy's unstoppable. This guy's

unstoppable and for somebody who has the supporting cast around him right and obviously like kairi's not a scrub but you look at the rest of that team and it's like grant will he's in her too yeah but you know like grand williams fine NBA player tim hardaway junior okay right all the all these guys and they are the last time i checked if i'm not mistaken they were in the they were in the top six out of the playing race they are fifth yep 18 and 12 yeah that so So, so yeah, these, man, no, man, I think, I think that's a very fair question. And if we went into this offseason, even if they don't win a championship and we want to say that Luke is the best player in the NBA, I think it would be right. And I don't think that I can fall to anybody for saying that because just on a nightly basis, what are you going to throw at him to stop him?

Because he can score at all three levels. He makes some of the crazy. It seems like every single night. We're seeing just the craziest past that we've ever seen. I mean, he's throwing Magic Johnson level. He, he's behind the back. Like, behind the back, no look, skip passes. And you're just like, what is happening right now?

Like, bro, how's he seeing it? It's mind-boggling how good he is. So, yeah. I have a tweet from, I think, 2019 or maybe 2020, when his first few years in the league, where I said, already it was year two or three of Luca. I said, he might be the best. pick and roll ball handler I've ever seen in my life.

NBA history type shit. I said that in his second or third year when he first became like a 28 point per game, nine assist type of score. And like he made superstar leap all in be a year two. I said that in 2019. He's so much better now. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is December 2nd, 2019. I've been watching Mavs games all week and man. I feel safe seeing Luca is one of, if not the greatest pick and roll ball handlers I've ever seen play. I felt that way back then And he's so much better

And unstoppable now Like he's as close as we've seen To an offensive player be as perfect as LeBron In terms of being a playmaker and a whole volume score Truly unstoppable And I don't think there's any hyperbole you can say That's like dick eating Like there's no way to exaggerate this

We've seen this man One of the biggest holes that people put in Punch into his game Was like how ball dominant he was And of course that's still who he is at the end of the day But he's shown more versatility this year than ever when it comes to being willing to be off ball last night or not last night but a couple nights ago on Christmas night we saw this man come off I believe to pin down

screens from maybe Derek Lively the Grand Williams or something like that and he went to the I believe top left top left wing and he banged a three dumb deep that was like curry like dude that is ridiculous and honestly the only way that you can stop someone like Luca donchitz is that you send someone pregame to beat his his ass in the locker. Take a bat, knock his knees out. Tell the ball boy, do what they did to Victor Wenamma. Yo, step on her.

Be under this dude's. Be under this dude's fucking foot feet during before the layout, bro. Let him roll his ankle. That's the only way. Bro. The only way to stop this man is to send Tony Soprano with a crow bat. That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

That's funny. Like I saw a tweet that was like, I'm tired of pretending he's not the best motherfucker since Braun. And it might be true. Like, the camera was down to with Yokic. We knew for a few years that he was that guy. You just needed the team success for people to be willing to admit that this seven foot euro is the best guy in the world.

And we might be at that point with him where we're just waiting for him to finally win one and it's inevitable. Yeah, maybe, maybe, and with what you just said, maybe we value team success a little bit too high because... We do. We do. Honestly, bro, like that argument is very bad. valid and it's lazy as fuck but i mean it's a truth right like there's a lot of good players at

some point you got to be the one to get the ring when there's like four all-time grates in league right now in their primes the three bigs plus him plus the older guys yeah exactly it's a respect factor thing yeah he has the listen he has the worst team of those four teams we mentioned like you know the three bigs being yok it's yonis and imb plus him if those are top four players right now in their primes he has the worst team so you can't really fault him for not winning if he doesn't get it but if you're going to steal the best player in the world title from three MVP's in the primes that's the type of shit you got to do 100% all right i want to talk about another texas team real quick i want to i want to talk about the houston rockets and my question for them is

is jalen green going to be on this team in two years because he's going to be in the NBA in two years he'll be he'll be in the league but is he going to be on the rockets because jalen green is on sucks he's on a downslide he's having a terrible month right now listen he scored 23 points tonight against the suns eight of 20 shooting right 40% from the field this is really just kind of what he does the two games before this against the indiana paces who we all know don't play any defense five points two of seven shooting he's getting benched in the fourth quarter he he is out here having a terrible month i want to read you guys his splits for december in december In December, he's averaging in 28 minutes a night.

13 points, four rebounds, three assists on 45% true shooting. This guy is not efficient. He is not in the, he doesn't look like he's in the future of the Houston Rockets. He doesn't look like the star that we, that some people thought he had, some people, thought that he could be. And he's looking like the, I know. And he's looking like the poster child for why G League Ignite is a fake team. And it's just, it sucks. So for the Rockets, I really think that it's time for them to figure out where they want to go with Jalen Green because he is a very critical, you know, draft piece.

And you got to figure out what do you want to do with him? So that's the question. Yeah. Listen, I follow a lot of Rockets Twitter because I used to write for a Rockets publication. So I'm pretty like weirdly deep into Rocket Twitter besides not being a fan. like it's kind of strange. I've seen a lot of this discourse. People really want to bench him.

The problem is he is a very low confidence player, I think is the general takeaway, that he's very prone to cold streaks, as you can see. And it's a tricky thing because if you bench him that can ruin his confidence even more and send him spiraling,

you can put him into the second unit and see if maybe he'll be a little better by taking those offensive workload with less pressure instead of just ruining what they got going with the starters. but then again maybe you're just like tanking second unit teams by you know giving them to him when he doesn't really deserve that type of role right now you can't send him to the G league

that'll really destroy the confidence it's you know you'll look really bad as an organization saying your number two pick to the G league it's a really tough spot because there's no no new role that makes total sense there's no easy answer here you know you're down bad as an NBA player when another player's mom is consoling you on Twitter and saying, keep your head up, but you'll be all right. Did you tell what Tar Heason? Yeah, Torgesen. His mom went ahead and tweeted about Jaling Green and took a picture of, I believe,

Alfredson Goon's handover, Jalen Green. He just, Jalen just looked so out of it. He looked like his dreams and hopes just got shot, blown into some of the reams. And it has. I mean, it shows that all of Dillon Green's flaws in a lot of people's assessments of him coming into the draft was, A, like, of course, like, When it comes to his handle, it's not the tightest. And in order to be a elite score or upper echelon score at least in the NBA,

you need, that's like a must have non-negotiable. And if you're not going to have a great handle, you need to absolutely be a knockdown shooter similar to the Clay Thompson types. And obviously, he's not that either. So if you have the combination of not having the best handle in the world and not being able to navigate and choose your spots and your shot is also iffy, you're cooked. Yeah, that's the problem.

He's basically a spot-up shooter right now in this team with Fred Van Vliet and Sangoon kind of being the cores of the offense usage-wise and he's just not a good three-point shooter. Like, we all thought he could be. He's just not. Like, that's not who he is. He's never shot above 35% from three from any part of the three-point line.

Corners above the brake, elbows, none of it. Never shot above 35% from a single spot. Not who he is. Never shot above average at the rim. Part of that is because he has no threat as a three-point shooter. Never shot above average from mid-range. There's just no area of the core he's a single-off. fishing right now, not a defensive impactor,

not a good passer. There's no redeeming guard. His main the main lord of him as a player is his ability to be a high, to be an elite level score, and he can't do that. And the second that you can't do what you are supposed to be the best at, your value

is just shot and you have to fight for your life in the NBA pretty much and just fucking play defense, lock in on something, make something crown something as your own. And in this case, in this scenario right now, we've seen literally he got us change snatch by ima yudoka afrin singoon brooks for ben bleed and this is no longer his team this is no longer his city and he's like

in the he's in the he's in the back seat very he has he has one thing that he can do to try and revive his career and he's going to have to go album mode he's going to have to cut his hair right you know you know right somebody who has big hair you shave it down right you get yourself a one or a two listen that's when i know that you're serious if you can do that several times and every time he comes backdrop in 40 listen jalen green go to the barbershop and i promise you you're average in 25 right do it needs to be done please yeah i i know another guy i had tweeted about yesterday where i made a joke about it with like a meme where i was like it was a picture that i said jalen green watching

all the other young players in the league get better as i was like some meme i said like i don't want to do it or or something like that. Yeah. Sick. And I was joking and just getting, just roasting him a little bit, but that is what it feels like. We're like, all of his peers are making leaps.

Tyrese Max is a star now. You know, some Cades in hell, but everybody else is like continuing to make Leaps getting better, all the people he was compared to. Anthony Simons is popping off. Tyler Hero's getting better and better. And he's just not at all.

Yeah, that's so discouraging as a rocket fan, I'm sure. Yeah. To be, sorry, I don't want, Any part of this good luck. That's hilarious, bro. To be honest with you, I think this should be more so like, this is an even bigger question for like NBA scouts and people in player development. They need to snuff out what a player's truce drinks are and stuff like that before you

draft someone so high and place these, bring upon these expectations. As much shit that we're given, Dailing Green used to give a lot of shit to the Houston Rockets. and the organization for putting him in this position of being the number two the world pick and not not like meeting those standards or helping him or hold his hand to make sure you know that he's in those strides and in those reps and so the cadet eva mowgli yeah in his in his defense right in his defense it probably is hard playing real basketball for the first time in what four years because even his first his first few using in In Houston, you got Stephen Silas, you're not playing real basketball, right?

Like, we all know that that was a clown show. And then in the G League, Ignite, that's a whole bunch of guys playing to try and get on. So you're still not playing, like, championship basketball. So it probably is a very big, like, culture shock for him. So, like, next year, if he still comes out and he can't adjust, then we'll see. But that's something this all season that the Rockets really need to, like, address and just start having those conversations. Feels like, yep. AAU culture.

Hold on real quick. It feels like AAU culture is like catching up and solely biting every NBA team's because guys like Jalen Green is like the poster boy of just like super fire TikTok edits and like insane highlights of him dunking all that. But outside of that, the second we asked you to like play real basketball and play team basketball, you're doing nothing but leading us to a top pick in the next upcoming NBA draft. And if you want that, if you want that to happen, Daniel Green is probably your guy for that.

If you want to play for Isaiah Collier, there you go, Jane and Green. That's gross. That's gross. Let's start flying through these. We're taking a long time. We're just going to be a long pod. Ready for three hours on your screen.

Let's go. So my next team is a goal to say, Warriors. Can Germant Green stop hurting people? Okay. Can Steve Kerr play Moses Moody a little bit more? Because the other night, I just played eight minutes.

And we all thought right when they move. Andrew Wiggins to the bench that he would get more burn, hasn't happened or happened, but actually just for a little bit. And then also, you know who has got more burn? Brandon Pajamski. He's fantastic. Shout out. He's better than Moses, him already.

Yeah, I know. And it sucks to see. Sucks to see. But someone that I'm actually excited to see get more burn is Trace Jackson Davis. Because I've watched him play in person. He's actually a great player. And I think that he might be. he might be the jolt

and athleticism and size that they've been looking for all these years. Fax. Listen, there's six and four in the last 10. They've gotten better so Jermon Green went out. I guess the question I have

is, is he going to come and ruin that? Can they maintain this identity they have where they're playing pods more? I think they're playing Camigamo, I think he's been answered up a little bit. Like you said, Tracy's been fantastic. He's average, actually I saw he's averaging more dunks per minute than Prime D'Andre Jordan and Prime Gobert,

which is crazy so they're just like you know just what's the word dunk merchants if you're talking about knee athleticism and you got a new dunk merchant then that's perfect

yeah do you guys think Dremont Green can play into this maybe I like what I think listen we all have questions my question would be Steve Kerr related and can you step up and start trying to control Dremont Green and he and he has tried like I think that the comments

that he's made after Dremont's suspension about, you know, Dremont controlling himself. That's probably as stern as we've ever heard Steve Kerr talk about Dremont and the most we've ever heard him reprimand Dremont for the stuff that he's done. And so if that attitude can stay up and say, like, listen, you can't hit somebody every three weeks. That's unacceptable. Then maybe we can get somewhere with the Warriors now that they actually have some

accountability on Dremont's end. So I think that that is the, that would be the defining measure of how much would they actually say, no, Dremont, you can't be violent. You have to play basketball. Okay, let's get serious. It's not that violent, but

I mean, listen, in a three weeks span, he put Rudy Gober in a chokehold and he punched use of Nurgents in the face. Like, it is kind of violent. You're right, right, right. Another thing, I guess we got to pay attention to, because we've been

the first ones to shit on him. Clay Thompson's been good He had a stinker in his last game Against the Nuggets on Christmas He had 9 points 3 for 12 in the field But before that, in the 6 games prior averaging 26 points per game on very good efficiency On a 50% from 3 and 52% from the field

For a 6-game stretch It's pretty good If you can play like that, they're going to be a good team Can he keep that up is my question is Is this Clay Thompson finding form for the year And he's going to be back to being like 22 points per game Or whatever may be? Is it just going to be a

you know a flash in the pan because you can't shoot 50% from three for the whole year i don't know i hope he's back and we're seeing better things from him going forward but that's going to be a big swing factor i think it's more of the latter i because even last year we kind of went through this where clay was bad and then he had stresses where he was really good and then we get to the playoffs and he was absolutely like down the stretch he was just he was terrible and there was nobody there's nobody there's nobody on the warriors who could help step curry offensively so i i i need clay thompson to prove to me again that he can be consistent more than six games. Yeah, consistency is the thing.

Yeah. Every time a star gets washed, the first thing that goes to consistency, they always have games where they can show you, they can do it, and you're like, whoa, maybe John Wolfe should be getting more minutes for the Houston Rockets, but then you see the next game and it goes. Like we saw him in Christmas, three for 12 in the field. Yeah. We'll see, I'm not writing them off.

It wouldn't be shocking if he can hit threes on a high rate again and be back to 20 points per game score efficiently. Like you said, like you said, that consistency is hard to do consistently when you're getting older. 100%. Is it my turn for next team? Yeah. Cool. Again, Mo gave me terrible teams.

We're going to fly through two more right now. We're going to fly through these motherfuckers. Utah Jazz. Will they trade Lowry and Markman? What's the direction as a team? That's really the only thing interesting about them right now. They're stuck in limbo where they're kind of starting to rebuild but not fully committing to it.

There's been rumors that they're maybe willing to trade Lowry if their package is right and really go full rebuild. My question is, are they going to? If they do, I'm interested because, Lowry can swing a lot of teams and swing the championship race. If they don't, they're taking it for another high pick to pair of Guanté George going forward and just kind of, I don't know, early stages of rebuild, not that interesting. Good question.

Great. Next to year. Another one, the Brooklyn Nets, same thing. What the fuck is their long-term goal? They owe a lot of picks out the door for the trades they made in the KD era. They got a lot of picks back for training KD. Right now, they just have a lot of good role players, and they're constantly in the rumors we're trading for the next star that becomes available. Maybe that's Donovan Mitchell.

Maybe that's so-and-so, whoever may be coming after him. I don't know. If they're not, I think they're just going to wait and do that and just be okayish for a while. That's my question is, what do they want to do with their team? What's the, what's the goal here? This is the goal. This is what Josiah said he wanted. He said he wanted a team who could win, you know, you know, 42, 44 games, be competitive.

And just have fun. That's exactly where they are. So shout out to Josai. You have exactly what you want. Great. Yep. My question is, is this all they want.

I don't even know where to go from now. Are they going to trade Royce O'Neill, Dorian Finn Smith, and he's interesting role players? If that's what they want, I guess not. I guess they'll just be good. Who knows?

Enjoy the moment, right? It's not a circus show anymore. So we just got to let them be normal. Great. Another one. Listen, Boa gave me a bunch of these teams. Next one, Toronto Raptors. What do they want to do?

O.G. Anobi and Pascal Seacom are looming free agents. They've been the biggest storylines of this team going forward. That's going to continue. What are they going to do with these two guys that are looming free agents? One of them is probably going to walk, maybe both. Do they decide to trade them and get some assets around Scotty Barnes? You're trading them at the lowest value with only one year left.

Is what it is. You waited too long. Are you going to pull that trigger? Or are you going to play for the play in race and try to continue this weird core? That's a great question. No one knows. Shout out. The same shit about them.

Now, let's talk about real teams. I'm a, I'm like, I'm a gift, you and like, yeah. For audio listeners, Donovan just put up two thumbs up. Listen, we talk about this all the time with the Raptors. We've been talking about it for years. Can you trade somebody? Masayi Jerry, can you get off of your high horse? Like, it's just free Scotty Barnes.

It's the same stuff over and over. So, yeah, listen, until you do something, we don't care. We don't care. So, yeah, we're going to fly through you. Sorry, Raptors fans. It is what it is. is. I guess you love last week by putting Scottie Barnes top 30. That's it. Don't ask anything else for me for the next two months. I'm done with you. Don't ask for anything. Okay. Talk

about real basketball now. I'm a gift you this team, Isaac, now that I did you dirty, Oklahoma City Thunder. We all can assume what's your biggest question for them. It's probably going to be Larry marketing. But can I just intrigue your mind in terms of a possible reunion happening between O'KC and Kevin Durant. Oh. Is this off the heels of that report that KD's mad that he has no help in Phoenix? Of course.

Of course. I don't think KD's going anywhere. I think it would be career suicide, reputation-wise, for him to request a trade out of the Phoenix Suns. His career's in the, his reputation is in the fucking garbage can. Who cares about that right now?

I need to rack up. Let's not say that. We're going to get to the Phoenix Suns, and we have some words for a recent story they have. We'll get to them. but if you're asking me am I interested in them making a trade for a wing

perhaps somebody who's Katie Light named Lauer Markinen then yes Katie like Very interesting That's such a nasty thing to say I know

But I get what you mean A big guy that can shoot And play on the wing a little bit Katie light I like it I like it Yeah All right listen

Is that you Well my biggest question mark is what the fuck are they gonna do about Josh Giddy Not the off the court stuff But like he's really ruining their offense And there's a lot of games

or he's not closing them. Yeah. I think they're trying to play halfway right now where they still start him and try to make it work, but they're letting Isaiah Joe close when it's not working so they can play both worlds

and not completely ruin their team. But I don't see a world where it gets better even on the court. I think he probably has to go. Yeah. It's just such an awkward fit. It's just such an awkward fit, man. And I agree with you.

It's just a waiting game, man. It's the elephant in the room. Before the, of course, damning rumors that happened with him in his personal life or whatever, people are already on his case about his long-term vision and we alluded to him being the odd man out but now just waiting him we're just waiting for the right trade piece to be available is what it seems like yeah yeah my other question mark where is this investigation i want to know the findings of

oh my gosh so i know how to feel about joshm giddy like is it time to hate him or not hurry up mb is it time to hate him or not i'm ready i'm ready to fire off the slander just finish the investigation let me know no man do due diligence I'm ready to get a whole episode. Come on. Relax. Calm down. Wrap it up.

Wrap it up. I'm tired of it. Relax. Relax. All right. Listen, we mentioned, I'm going to take this as a segue to get away from this conversation. It's fine. We can talk about it.

It's fine. We're going to talk about the Phoenix Suns and Kevin Durant because that's one of my teams. And my original question was Kevin Durant focused. But now I have another question. And this is not. necessarily basketball focused, but it is Phoenix Sun's focused. Let's go. Are Suns fans okay?

Right? Because they, listen, this week, right, pictures came out, and screenshots came out of like Sun's Reddit and everybody's just hating on Kevin Durant and blaming all of their problems on KD. And it's like, do you forget where you came from? Do you forget that for the last eight years or, you know, pre-bubble, for seven of the eight years pre-bubble you guys were under 500 and for about six of them you guys won 25 games or less how dare you who do you think you are to call out kevin durand and to put all the problems

on him right your team i understand you guys are upset that you guys are you know fighting to be in the playing your anger is misdirected and i need you guys to just answer the question are you okay What's wrong? Yeah, man. You'll pull up these tweets. Let's click on these screenshots to get a full screen. I'll read these out loud to the audio listeners. And it's really funny.

Real quick, before you get into it, it's really funny because out of these, out of these three screenshots, two of them are from the same person, Debo 28. He, or they are very, very upset. Nice. I appreciate the ambiguous pronouns. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. So this is a tweet that says the Sun's subreddit has completely turned on Kevin Durant. First post

I genuinely don't understand why anyone feels like the Suns fans should have any positive feelings towards KD whatsoever Fuck this vulture Came and blew up a very good team One year removed from the NBA finals So he can fulfill his insecurities Of never having accomplished anything Without hopping onto a proven championship team

Pre and Post him This is worse than the fate of Marion, Nash, Amari years Because this roster was young and could have competed for 10 years Now it's a bunch of recycled garbage And three hero ball all-stars damn that's just one or three posts let's keep going next slide next one says I was against the trade

but took the at least we have KD positive mentality for the longest time I was defensive of this team for much of the season so far but he's lost me they've lost me Kevin Durant is such a good player but I'm losing my love for basketball I don't want to admit it I don't want to admit it but maybe the Ness fans were right

Vogel needs to go if things don't improve by the trade deadline maybe Durant needs to go two. Next one. That's two and a three. Basketball. There's one more. No way to go outside.

This reads to me like Daddy doesn't want us anymore. Katie is a clown. Let's recap. One, failed at playing Nets Fantasy GM Super Team Builder to fulfill his insecurities from riding GSW's coattails. Two, force his way

to a 65 win team by demanding a trade to come here over and over. Three, lost. Four, gutted roster in off-season playing fantasy GM with Booker. Five, lost more. Six, pouting now that they continue to lose. Seven, entire team turning on each other

and crying in media. Eight, fans hate this team and giving guys we traded Katie for emotional standing ovations. Nine, question marks. And all this is based off of Kevin Durant saying that, or the report coming out, saying that Kevin Arant is frustrated

like any normal player who's been on the losing side of things as of later. In fact, and Katie didn't even say, say shit. It was a report that there's looming frustration in the locker room about him. He didn't even do anything. Maybe it was a lie. This is hilarious. That is

insane Reddit post. I can't believe I just read. I'm losing my love for basketball. Be a man. Shut up. Go talk to your wife and kids. What do you mean you're losing your love for basketball? Oh my God. Find a hockey.

Holy shit. KD and the Sun Success is your all? Oh, fuck off That's hilarious Yeah, he's in the slums Listen There is something to be said About Katie reaping what he sowed

If he is frustrated That's life when you What he said about playing fantasy gym It's true He's made a lot of pushes to make moves We know Katie to be Listen, Katie has a podcast We've heard at lengths

Him talk about basketball And what he values And what he values is That boy nice basketball He won a Bradley Bill So they got three of those guys And recreate what they had In Brooklyn

having three guys it's not working again none of us are that shocked we all thought they'd be good but we saw that right on the wall there may be a worst case scenario where these injury prone guys are hurt or if the team doesn't gel for whatever reasons you got a lot of minimum contracts it might not work we're seeing the worst case scenario play out you can't be mad or you reap what you sowed but this guy acting like kd is just like the villain like he made these decisions like he traded for himself shut up and also on top of that do you forget the team that KD came to, that was a team that got blown out for a second straight year in a game seven or in an elimination game. And the infamous meme of Chris Paul hitting a three to cut the lead

down to 42, that came from that team prior. Like that team wasn't going to win another finals, right? They weren't going to get to another finals. You had to make, you had to make another trade because one your number one overall draft pick from five years ago nobody liked him and then your coach and then your coach who came in to like change the culture nobody liked him either so and then your point out on top of that he was old and nobody liked him either so the vibe you're terrible and you had to go get somebody else this is again what I'm saying understand where you came from like Kevin Durant going Kevin Durant going to your team made you a better team and it made you a finals contender for more years than you were actually going to be if you kept the same

roster together. So like boo-hoo, you upgraded from Mikhail Bridges to Kevin Durant. Be happy. Be happy. Like, come on. This, this is ridiculous. And what's kicking the Phoenix Sun's fans' ass right now is them using hindsight like a motherfucker in a conversation that needs conversation, that needs context. Like, McCall Bridges probably wouldn't be the player that he is today. 20 point per came score that he used today unless he found himself in an entirely new situation so you're right you guys were in your bag with this one the only thing that weren't this type of reaction from these phoenix suns fans is if katie literally requested a train it was like 15 and 15 or whatever

it was i'm out this bitch other than that you're just so reacting yeah yeah man listen this might just be a couple upset fans that don't represent the fan base as a whole but it's funny This is the general tone of fat bases a whole. Shut up. Yeah, exactly. What's the next team, Donovan? All right. So I got three more teams left.

I can burn through one of them real quick. The Hawks, can they get assets for DeJante Murray? The other night, we've seen them do something that hasn't been done since 2021. Andre Drummond scored 24 points in an NBA game before. It's over for us. It's so over for us. Hold on, it's not just that. He had 24 points.

He also had 25 rebounds. That's Andre Drummond type stuff Yeah, that's not the most shocking 24 and 25 That's Andreanman Is he wilt? Is he wilt? What the fuck? He's a greatest rebrander of all time

He'd be doing that sometimes Yeah Yeah Sometimes in 2018 This is not sometimes Listen DeAndre Jordan had a A throwback game this year too Listen these guys are still NBA players

He can do that Yeah they should trade Janté I feel very validated From the jump I've been saying the deal didn't make sense. It was a bad combination. Yeah. I got yelled at by Hawks fans.

Suck it. You got yelled at for the right reasons, I would say, but also for the wrong reasons, I would say. Because the team as a whole, the team construction as a whole is not the greatest. And Dejante is only at the forefront of these trade talks because he's on such a team valuable contract. And he's actually playing good basketball as an individual. I don't want to hear shit about any good reasons, bad reasons. and never made sense

to pair a ball dominant point guard with your ball dominant point guard never made sense for a second yeah and that's why Travis Slank left this dusty ass organization the second that we decided that we were going to go ahead and make what you just call Dusty I thought

I said he left this dusty ass organization you like that musty yeah Dusty musty whatever you want to call it they are that this is this is the trocious I'm looking at the tweet right now that says Drummond is the DeMarter Rosens of Centers mid.

Treated that in 2020. What was he cooking? Yeah. What was it? How was he even happened? What team was. Yeah, it's so disrespectful. I'm so sorry, DeMarre.

But anyways, more interesting team that we can talk about. This is one of my last two teams. The Memphis Grizzlies. John Moran is back. My biggest question to y'all and to them is can they make a serious playoff push? A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

They are four and those. the four notes since he's been back he he has been fantastic the the only thing that is on my mind is are people going to be babies every time that he does any type of celebration or dance or has any type of fun from here on out but outside of that the basketball's fine they're going to they're going to be good they're going to be fine oh my god Isaac can you describe that dance you're doing just now I'm speaking cats now now people were up clutch the pearls, Chandler Parsons. Did you see Chandler Parsons?

One, he was talking, collecting his pearls about John Morant doing his little gun celebration, which doesn't fucking matter. Did you see what he said about Team Morant? No. There's a video that the Grizzlies posted of Team Morant dancing

during a time out where there's music playing. He was just up dancing, doing his thing, totally harmless. And Chandler Parsons quoted it and said, unbelievable. He's taking so much about his character right now with those simple words. If you make, whatever assumptions

you make from that, I know what I think that means. I won't be the one to say it But he's on watch That's what I'll say He's on watch right now Yeah not my accusation to make But

Anyways yes I was watching this game We're showing the highlights for right now Of the Grizzies versus the Pelicans The Pelicans were up by I think 10 in the fourth quarter And I was watching and I was like This lead isn't fucking safe

John Morant's out there The Pelicans are the Pelicans Sure is shit I got sent to OT And the Pelicans up losing the game in disastrous fashion by committing a lot of stupid fouls at the end of the game to allow the goodies to win it with two free does the end. And this team kind of just looks like how they looked in previous years to me now. It kind of just looks like they're back,

honestly. Yeah. Since John Moran's been back, they have a, they've had a 117 offensive rating with him on the court, which puts them in the top 10 around teams like the Sacramento Kings and all that. And their defense, as we said, a couple of episodes ago has been just as elite as it's always been. They're top seven. So with that recipe, they're literally, quite literally going to be back 20, 30 games from now. Yeah, they're fine. They're fine. And I think, they're five games out of Tennessee, though. It's a lot of big, big hole to come out of. I mean, but who's ahead of them, though? Well, listen, that's interesting. The Jazz are ahead of them. They'll pass the Jazz up. They're only two games

behind the Jazz. After that, we have Suns, Warriors, Lakers, Rockets, Pelicans. And the sons are 11 seed. So two of those teams have to fall out. If we're, the suns are probably going to make the playoffs. I assume the playing team. Sorry, rockets. Do you think the warriors are going to fall out? Maybe, maybe. I don't know.

We need to see some consistency from them. The Rockets. Okay. I just need to see a little bit more. But I mean, listen, these guys, the grislies, man. John Moran is give, I don't even care if he's not playing enough. Give him the MVP. Like, it's very clear.

It's very clear, right? Like, this is, this is just so interesting. The construction. basketball teams of how John Moran can come in and now everything feels fine like they like I don't even care about the record they're they're four and no on the season they're undefeated this is that's how I view the Grizzlies right now it's amazing if they could that'll honestly be one the most incredible in for in season turnarounds I've seen in a long time the only way I can think of a comparison is that year that Miami Heat went uh I think it was 10

and 31 and start the season yeah the second half season went 31 and 10 and finished off 500 for the year. That was ridiculous, a complete turnaround. That's what we're looking at here if they can do it. Yeah. And this is what happens when you get your hands on a generational player like John Morant, taking a team that was quite literally the worst offense in the NBA. And with your presence on the court lugging, backpacking the scene to top 10 offense, they're an elite team. They're a crazy, bro. And that's what he is. Let John Morant dance. Yeah. Let him dance. Let Team Morant dance. I can't believe that too is a thing. Let them cook.

My last team, we can get this out the way. We'll go with the Milwaukee Bucks. I don't know if there's any real interesting questions other than can they get a point of attack defender next to someone like Damila? Can they figure out their defense and have more consistent play? You don't know.

Probably not. I don't know if they have to do to make that move. But my question is, can they find a way to not? actually they didn't say that I was going to say find a way to not let them sink them

so much has been made about this they're eight and two in the last 10 games and they're firmly of the two seed they have the same amount of wins of the Celtics

like they're fucking fine players can come around they're gonna have an elite rim defense an elite pick and roll combo two isolation scores who are among the five best

in the league and then Chris Middleton who's looking better and better every game they're fine they're just not perfect I listen

no team nobody has ever said that on ball defense is what wins championships these days we're acting like it's the end-all be all for them because there's one big flaw every team has flaws they'll be fine yeah maybe it's just i think everyone's expectations were just blown out of the roof and maybe like i'm saying this and as if like they're a 500

team or whatever when like you said i think they're literally the number two seed one game back from the self-s who we were talking about like if they don't win the championship it's a big disappointment of the decade they're one game behind them yeah they're fucking elite they're fantastic yeah exactly but they can still be better and that's a scary part about it too about this conversation we all know like this is not their suing if this is their ceiling then it would be a disappointment um but with that being said we all know that they can get reach another gear it's all about whether or not they'll do that or not i'm not sure they can honest i mean the honest pick and roll culmination has been up and down i think uh Alex hoops

had a tweet about it where he was showing the points for possession on that uh by day of the season and it's been like it got better now it's worse a little bit that can definitely get better and they can kind of just continue to reinforce who they are and get better all those things but to your question can they get a perimeter defender I don't think so I don't think they have an avenue to get a real impact guy there with unless it's a buyout guy which is like not usually very impactful I think this is who they are and they're just the second best team in the east and have a good chance of getting out of the east it's championship or bust for them that's it is you trade for Damien Lillard you have got us in

his prime it's championship or bust like yeah for sure for sure that's it and they And they can win a chip. Like, this team's good enough, right? Like, they're not perfect. No team in the NBA is outside of the Super Team era where the Warriors were running shit. Like, but they're good enough to win a championship. Yeah. Yeah, I would say that.

It'll be crazy if they won one after all this shit that literally everyone was giving them. It was so dramatic, bro. You would have thought they were the sons with their record. Like, it was so dramatic. Like, we're four games in the season and people were fucking screaming for the skies. Like, oh my God, are we doomed? Yeah. Luxman's going to chill.

Exactly. It's funny, man. I got a couple teams. I got two. Yeah. How many got left, Donovan? I have, I have four, but my teams, my teams are very interesting. So if you have non-interesting teams, go ahead.

Okay, and we got six teams left. Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. I can, I can speed past, past two of them. Go for it, go for it. All right. The first one, I just want to know, right? Leon Rose, let me know.

Are the New York Knicks, are we trading for a star? Right? Tell me what's up. I didn't even know because a lot of, a lot has gone on this past week. nasty discourse about, you know, Jane and Brunton and what Becky Hammond says, you guys are, listen,

you guys are hating on Becky just because she's a woman. She didn't say anything. Yeah, y'all hate women. It's ridiculous. But, masogynist. Facts. But this core, we know that it's not necessarily

championship caliber. I just want to know. We're making a move or what? Right? That's all I want to know. So simple question. That's what's it. Exactly.

Right. DMs are open. So that's for the NICs. DMs are open. The second, my second team is the San Antonio Spurs and I want to know

how much longer are we going to let Greg Popovich coach Oh You want to put him on retirement home I'm just saying All I'm saying is They gave him a five-year extension This summer

I understand that By the time the Spurs really get rolling He's going to be about 76 77 years old Damn It's we've seen over this year And even in past years That while we're

all have the respect for Greg Popovich, he hasn't necessarily done a lot of the practices that smart, modern NBA teams do. And I understand that a lot of that has been personnel because they've sucked. But right now, would you consider Greg Popovich one of the three best coaches in the NBA? Probably not. One of the worst rosters in the NBA. Yeah, but to be fair, it's hard to think of them in any way like that when the rosters they've had. I understand that.

But even with bad teams, right? right and or bad coach or like even with bad teams and good coaches there is a certain level of like floor raising and obviously your team is sucked right i'm not trying to i'm going to try to make it seem like great pop of this is trash but you're going to get to a point where it's probably going to be need to be a new era in san antonio so i just want to know how long are we going to are we going to let this happen because by the time he gets to like 7778 it's going to be two years 32 million left on his deal is that buy out enough to where you can say all right pop thanks for everything we're going to go in a new direction and actually start to build this, you know, back up.

So I just want to know that. That's a question. You're saying they're going to do them like Bill Belichick? Facts. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate it. What a comparison.

Parallel stories right now. That's crazy. I think it'll be fine. Yeah. Those are my two teams. I got two teams left. They're both decent to talk about. Miami Heat.

My question is, will they have enough shot making come playoff time? for all the years you've seen them be a really good team making finals out of thin air the question has always been is their offense going to be good enough to have the firepower to compete you know they have the defense last year they made the run because max truce gave vincent jimmy butler shooting out of their minds and they really like were able to keep up with these high profile offensive teams because of that two of those guys aren't there anymore i'm sure jimmy will still be jimmy will still be jimmy they've managed to maybe be a little bit better than that team last year despite losing

in that depth because Jaime Hawkes is him fantastic player day one he dropped I forgot what do you have what do you have the day whenever Jimmy Butler was out it was like 30

he was 30 yeah he's been incredibly efficient Tyler Hero's been great he wasn't there for the playoff run last year he was great last year we'll have that to replace let's call it Max Druce

and Duncan Robinson is just resurgence saved his career and is legitimately a good like three level score now for some reason or I guess two level was not really a mid-range guy

but like is that conglomeration of wing players going to give them enough juice come playoff time with bam and jimmy doing bam and jimmy stuff man i don't i i think i think so because i think what hawkins has provided for them and having another like creator and some and somebody who can make stuff happen for himself a lot of times like with you know if you are if you have hero or or robinson on the floor you have a lot of stuff where it's very motion based and and if they if they can't free and they can't get off. Hockis can go and get you a bucket. So I think that, I think they're going to be okay. And it's also, it's also kind of refreshing that they're not going to be relying

on Caleb Martin to drop 25 every night. True. And he can. Yeah, I forgot about him. Yeah, yeah. He had his insanity moment too. I forgot about that. Yeah. So it's, they're, they're going to be fine. I think Hockes is, his emergence has been a godsend for them. He's been fantastic. So I think they're going to be good. Yeah. I think they're going to be roughly as good. as they have been for the last four or five years. Like, we're not going to pick them to be one of the three best teams in the conference, but it will not be shocking in the least if you look up and they're the conference finals. Facts.

Facts, I agree. Yeah, that, he just brings, he's in fresh breath of air and he adds another layer to the cake, the wheat cake that we all know that they've had, but they've been like scrappy for. Random notes. Random notes on Wikipedia. According to Wikipedia, his nickname is Juan Wick. That is hard as fuck. And because of that, I will not be surprised

they make the Eastern Conference Finals again. Love it. All right. What's your next team, gentlemen? You know what? I won't have them as my last one. Let's talk about the Clippers for a brief minute. I want you know, and they're going to have to answer this,

will we get people to come into our new stadium? And this question, once again, involves a lot of other questions. That means, are we resigning Kauai and Paul George and for how long? Are we, did we have a respectable enough, assuming they don't win the championship, which I don't think that they will? Did we have a respectable enough playoff run to where people can kind of get behind this core again of Paul, Kauai, James Hardin, and Russ?

And for how long? Because they are going into the state, they're going into the new stadium in two years. I think. They need to know what the future of this team is because it's been muddling, right? People keep getting hurt. What is going to happen? And what is the, what is the construction of this team going to look like? And so for them, this playoff run is going to determine probably the next like six or seven

years of Clipper basketball because they're going to lock themselves in because the only thing that we've heard is they're not going to blow it up because they have to get people into seats into the new arena. So I want to know, are you guys actually going to do what it takes to get butts in seats? It's going to play really well. Yeah, I know. I know.

And that's why. I know you do that. The question is, do you think this is a formula from what we've seen from James Hardin, what we've seen from Kauai Leonard, assuming Paul George stays. Do you see this being the core four, or course, three, I guess, because Russ isn't really part of that, you would think, long term. Do you see this core three

sticking together for? years or I should say do you think it's worthwhile I don't know if it's worth I don't know if it's worthwhile well okay here's the if the goal is to win a championship in the next three to four years I I don't think you will be successful but I think it's worthwhile because you might as well have all stars on the team yeah your chance right like they've been good that they're not beginning of this core being put together after James Hardin Trade we were like oh fuck are they going to be ass yeah yeah they're not ass they're the clippers right like the way we've known for years they're good team it's sort of similar to the

miami heat where we're like okay we'll see in the playoffs doesn't it isn't gonna work we'll see you're not the most talented team let's see if you make a run the heat have managed to do that they've been able to be on the good side of that where they make it happen for whatever reasons and they know the clippers haven't yeah yeah but the clippers haven't so it's kind of just like a we'll see come playoff time how your matchups fall but they're certainly good enough to be in the mix right yes they can they can win they can win a playoff series yeah it won't be shocking if they win two and make a conference finals. We don't see them be in the nuggets or whatever, but like they're in that mix

and that's a realistic outcome. And if we all feel that's the case, at least, you know, there's a puncher chance than making some kind of run. Yeah, I think I can see this team being together for next two years. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that question can only be half answered until obviously we see what they do in the playoffs. But loosely, I'm on the same wavelength as you guys.

I kind of disagree a little bit when it comes to comparing them to the Miami Heat. I think they should be a couple of steps ahead of that because the star power between Kauai and PG is just there and Harden semi reinventing his game, not being a ball dominant 20 point for game score that we, that we're used to seeing him. I think that there should be a, at least expectation that they're in the realm for championship contention. And as long as you have that, you should be okay. And you should write it out to the wheels fall off.

And when I say the wheels fall off until them 2035 picks start to kick in. then when you get the tires and be all right we can I don't want to play with you guys anymore let's let's let's play let's another 10 years of kawai Paul george and james hard yeah I think you just write it out until kauai's out of his prime like oh shit my laptop's about the guy you guys keep talking yeah no to I'm finish what you're saying Isaac you definitely should write it out until kawai is out of his prime because right now he has been the peak kawai that we are used to and that we love seeing and until he is not that the second that kawai honestly is not that that's when you kill it because there's no point in anything if he's not that yeah yeah 100%

this team lives and dies by prime kawai and how much he's able to muster out in these later years of his prime exactly i agree with that that was a great way to start and end that clipper's conversation nice last team i have sacramento kings another team where we're going to get into trade conversations a little bit because last year we saw that when this team is clicking in all cylinders and things are going right, we get the best version of the offense, the best version of the defense you can hope for

being like 12th or so, they can be a three seed and they can be very respectable first round exit. This year things have been going not quite as well, approximately a similar level of team, but the wins haven't been quite where they were before. I think it's safe to say this team isn't going to contend.

Can they make an upgrade at the two to four spot because maybe it's Zach Lower heard say this that end of the day no matter what you think of Deeran Fox and DeMontas Sabonis is a duo you know how I feel about the latter half of that duo Kevin Hedder, Harrison Barnes Keegan Murray just probably isn't

a talented enough trio to flank them and can they do something about that we talk about every team in the league in their connection to OG An Anobie, Pascal Seakum and Larry Markanin can they snag one of those guys because I think Keegan Murray is worthwhile to keep for a long time we've seen flashes of the offensive leap

that fans are hoping for in like the next star or whatever but I think defensively he's been really good this year and like making strides that you'd hope for from an older second year player I don't know how you can start

Kevin Herder and Harrison Barnes as your two wing combos and I've been saying this for a minute but to take the answer Zach Levine no to hear a couple says back just want to say Keegan Murray is should be an untouchable piece

and yeah we've seen seen a leap from him not on the offensive side of the floor like their head coach wanted to see but on defense he's been the most consistent defender and the most probably impactful defender that they have so he's almost untouchable in most conversations but with that being said you said no Zach Levine fuck that I'm bringing him right back in these conversations and on it his his value is so low you tell me you wouldn't make that move for for kevin herder and a first or whatever it might take sure yes if that's the best available but I don't think it would move the needle that much if it'll I would do it if you couldn't get one of the

other guys that have a defensive impact yeah I would do it exactly yeah I think that's the way you should be looked at I'd rather get past El Siakum same hmm next to I put kick him ready three yeah put kick him right three hmm that's a big ass I was all about to say that's a good way though that's a link definitely play the three Yeah, I agree. You're absolutely right about that. Now, that right, that gives them the defensive versatility like a motherfucker. They match up really well alongside teams like the Minnesota Timberles. And I guess you can say the Denver Nuggets. But outside of that, that might be the only way for them to make the next leap as a team. Whatever may be. Some move has to happen there. And I guess my question is, do they want to do that? We've heard them LinkedIn talks about being a buyer. Maybe some of that has just been like reporters assuming because like a lot of. checks out, but do they actually have the will and desire to make a move to, you know, go all in with this core? That's my question.

We'll see. Yeah, we should. Donovan, what's your last team? My last team is the New Orleans Pelicans. And my question for them is, will you trust Zion Williamson? Not can you trust Zion Williamson, which I think is two different questions. The question is, will you trust him? Because if you do, and if you want to trust Zion, then you have to make moves.

I think B.I. might have to be shipped out. Yonis might have to be shipped out, right? You're going to have to do some roster reconstruction. If you decide that Zion Williamson is the piece that you are going to build your team around. If not, let's get them out of there and we will start this thing all over again. But I need to know if you want to trust Zion as your franchise cornerstone, I need that answered this. year we can't we can't interesting y'all went ahead and saw that tattoo that saw that was posted on twitter today would you trust someone with an off sentence would you trust someone with the off

center tattoo to oh you're not right in the head clearly clearly come on like that's terrible i don't even care that's off centered because clearly he wanted the thing to be over his heart which is white slightly off centered but it's just fucking ugly too i mean i think that is so big It looks so poorly placed. Like, it's ass. It's just wrong decisions after wrong decisions. And it's just like, you're not, you are not taking steps on the floor or off the floor that I need you to make to be the number. What is this, man?

Come on. Come on. It's a cool idea. Definitely get us terms of service demonetized for this. Oh, no facts. Is this TOS? Bad tattoo, TOS? No, I just can't, since we went on pick a, we went on, not pick side.

wrong podcast Let's keep it a buck a week ago and one of the guys in there informed me that there was a Mariah Mills tweet where she said she saw soda cans in his bathroom

I didn't know about that I haven't stopped thinking about it all I can think about a soda cans in the bathroom you know how crazy that is really really deep that shit and think about it would you put soda cans in your bathroom

and the answer is obviously no because you're not insane if you were to imagine soda cans in your bathroom what would the context be were you drinking soda cans and why you shower while you brush your teeth?

I don't get it. It has to be to brush your teeth. He's probably... No. Mountain Dew mouthwash? Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. He's using the Mountain Dew.

You're not using it in the shower because the water can get into the soda can, right? It's watered down Mountain Dew. You don't want that, right? You might be too focused on what you got to do if you're sitting down on the toilet, handling your business. He's definitely taking a sip, right? Swishing it around, spinning it out, and then brushing his teeth. That's nasty work.

Yo, it's so long. The obvious answer is he is cleaning up the bathroom while he's enjoying his fan to maybe diet soda. It could be diet soda. Cleaning up? Multiple cans? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true.

That is kind of contradictory. You're cleaning up. It's a habit. It's a habit. This is clearly part of your morning routine. I can't have anything. All right. That's so.

Listen, this is wrong. This is wrong. Listen, this. Let's bring it back to basketball. I need to know, though, for real, if Zion or if the Pelicans want to center the franchise around it, because this year he hasn't necessarily taken the leaps. Like last year, whenever we saw him,

we were having conversations of like, hey, is Zion the top 10 player in the NBA? Is he going to win MVP, right? He's in those discussions. They were the one seed for a minute. It's looked completely different this year. and I need to know what is going on

and we've all talked about how the fit is just really, really weird and I'm not going to acknowledge these tweets while I'm talking about this but like we've talked a lot about the fit between him and Ingram right? What are you going to do like with Valentunus and Zion?

How does that work? It needs a lot of tweaking. So the pelicans have a lot of work to do. I saw a tweet today. Remember last year, you said we saw him be MVP level caliber player we're all like top 10 guy potentially yeah that was most of the month of

December before he got hurt where he averaged over 30 for the month and I was thinking back it was like last year's December versus this year's December where it was like 22 points per game and like far less efficiency I thought about it I don't know I thought about it I saw a context in the thread I forgot that Brandon Ingram missed that whole month

that's why he was going so stupid because they had to do point Zion because they lost Ingram and he had to take on more usage we all forget that in this whole thing I did. We saw Zion at his peak when there was no Brandon Ingram. I can't believe you just found this tweet.

That was crazy. That was so fast. Yeah. He was averaging 29.8 points per game, 7.5 rebounds and 5 assists. This December, it was 19, 5, and 4. Ingram missed that whole month. We forget that.

It's a big part of this that remember when Zion was like, I'm trying to buy into this thing we got going on, this program? We're all like, what the fuck does that mean? You bought into it last year? Ingram wasn't there last year for a large part of that

when we saw Zion thriving. He means he's trying to buy into splitting usage with Brandon Ingram. I never, I have some reason that went over my head. The code has a big part of this. They might have to trade Ingram for a guy that doesn't need the ball in his hands to free Zion. But my question to y'all is, one of your question and statement is like the only lure to like

the potential of Zion Williamson is if he can be that guy. And in order to be the guy, you have to be on the court on consistent basis. And if you trade away Brandon Ingram, you want to, hope that zon is a top 10 player that's the only thing you don't do this if zon's going to be like this mid 20 players not mid but to his standards that is mid you know exactly yeah so yeah exactly and so that's that's why my question is right because if you if you are looking at this in hindsight and let's say that zion doesn't become whatever we think he can then obviously you wouldn't make the move so that's why the question is will the pelican trust him enough that he is going to take that

leap that he's going to take that step and that they can build a franchise around them it's i don't think that zion has showed us enough to where you can say or that you can feel comfortable saying i trust zion to do x y and z but the pelicans obviously they gave him the extension he was the number one pick in the draft you have to make a move so let's see what they want to do moving forward i think you have to trust them i think branding it was dope i like him as much as anybody former laker have a soft spot for him it's not altering the future of your franchise if you trade Brandon Ingram. If you trade them to try to get the best version of Zion, that means you're taking the bet on the ceiling that clearly the only way to build a championship ceiling is to have

a top 10 player in his prime. And the only way to get there with your current outlook is by maximizing Zion Williamson. Only guy you have on the roster that can beat that level of the dude. And that's a risk worth taking compared to like if you trade him and like try to be mid with like a Brandon Ingram, Siege McColl and Tray Murphy Corps. That's not a ceiling play at all. That's a floor play if you try to be respectable and rid yourself of the potential downside of Zion. I would take a bed on the ceiling of Zion because you're not going to look back 10 years from now and be like, oh, if we didn't trade Brandon Ingram

we could have really made a run. He's not that dude. Yeah. I would say the Pelicans are in a perfect situation to make a decision like this because they have the Ingram place and waiting off the bench and Trey Murphy who's a walking flamethrower. And then on top of that if something does happen in your future,

something treacherous, Zion gets hurt or whatever or Trey Murphy for some reason doesn't work out, You have so many assets, though, in your back pocket from the AD trade a couple years ago. So regards to the situation, they need to make a move. And I'm so happy you brought this to all of our attention because this literally blew my money. Man, just do it already. Trade Brandon Ingram and Jonas Valchunis for Miles Turner and Buddy Heald. Make it happen.

They've been flirting with the idea of Miles Turner forever. The patients haven't wanted to move him. I'm sure they were trying to get him for scrap pieces. Brandon was better than him. Less is more. Get the stretch 5D next to Zion to unlock. him and let Trammer if you thrive is three facts we just do it need it we need it we need it we need it you know what else we need we needers to rejoice because it is tic-tok time

oh it is tic-tok time are you smoking on that tic-tac pack this shit is hitting right now I need you put a green screen edit of smoke I think I think that's crazy this to me and I'll do it It is TikTok time. Let's roll. We two hours in. As always, we're going to start with the draft. Mo, I think you have a draft idea you wanted to do today. What is it?

Yeah, man, super unique. We're going to go ahead and draft the best light skin player. And try to build them perfectly. You're going to build your ideal, man. Hell yeah, bro. So for the audio listeners, we got to draft them based off of their body. They're shooting. They're finishing.

And then their defense and their passing What did I say it like Their body You let that Why I drag hell along I did not say it like that You're making me sing Eh

Drake He said I need their body I need the shooting Relax Oh god defense's going crazy You like I'm going to

You're to pool Like number one bro, right? Kill me now. The guy for order is Donovan, me, Mo. You guys know it works, body shooting, finishing defense passing. Donovan, who's

the first pick in your light skin draft? I'm taking the greatest trait from the greatest light skin of all time. Give me Steph Curry shooting. Ah, man, oh man. You got us there. I'm a follow up. Give me Clay Thompson shooting. Okay. Damn. Shoot it off the board.

I'm with you. We're locked in. Okay. Okay. That's solid. Go ahead and give me Victor Wimbenyamo body. I'm built different already. And then for defense, go ahead and give me Tim Duncan. Any discrepancy? I don't know if Tim counts. What? I don't. I don't know if Tim counts. I don't think Tim counts. I think you're really stretching light skin here. Yeah, I think I think Tim is in the same category as DeJante. I think we gave you Wembe. I think we gave you Wemby and you shouldn't push it. Bro. I don't think I'll think Tim is. Just imagine the Peter Griffin meme right now where he's just looking at the color. Yeah,

no, he counts. Okay, if he doesn't count. He's not too. Okay. I'll give you Wemby because I'm like, whatever,

but you can't have Tim. Okay, if it doesn't count, go ahead and give me Tyrese Halliburton passing. Ah, damn. There we go.

That's good. Okay. There we go. Listen, I copy Donovan first pick. I'm a copy you second pick. Give me lamello ball passing. Mm.

Couldn't take an L there. Just good, probably. Okay, okay. Maybe better. Give me. Okay, here's what I go. I will go with Aaron Gordon finishing. Fuck.

Damn. Steal nuts on the face. And I will go with Jason Tatum body. Okay. Okay. Damn. Doesn't that build moves you? That's peak light skin right there.

You can't get more light skin than that. Listen, you want those six, nine, as I'm saying, six nine wing who can shoot like that? Don't call on everybody. Okay, it's a cheat code. You're cooking so far. You're cooking so far. I got finishing defense and body. Who do I have written down for finishing?

Okay. Save that. Listen, there's not a lot of good defenders here. Actually, no, I'll save that. You're not going to think about that. That sinister ass laugh. Give me prime Blake Griffin finishing. You pick Aaron Gordon

I'll put the better Aaron Gordon Okay, okay I like that's good, that's good I like that For defense Give me another Frenchman Rudy Gobert Come on

And then What you mean, come on Are we calling him lights game? He literally is What are you here talking about? Yeah, he literally is He's not me What do you mean?

Okay Okay All right And then for shooting go ahead and give me give me Michael Porter Jr. Never sweet. That's a good pick.

There you go. Yeah. He has a great set shot too. Unblockable. No, listen, most kind of cooking. Webby's body? Most kind of cooking. Most kind of making a Greek god. Yeah, I'm picking the peak light skin dude right now. Bro, imagine.

The only way. Oh, wow. This is great. The only way from you compete with what you're making is to make the real peak light skin Give me Kelly Ubre's body And that means they get his face Man, his body is brutal What are we talking about right now? I get his face

I win in the light skin category It's over What do you mean he's watched He got hit by a car And was back on the court in a month He saw him Tend toes I saw him

You're not going to find A more lightskin, Liking than Kelly Ubrea I win that category I don't care Can't do it Can't do it All right

For my passing Give me Jason Kidd Right And then for my defense I need I need somebody who could do it all on the perimeter and in the paint give me Chet Holmgren what he saw a picture of Chet in a duress he one of us you know why I'm at he said he said 54 from Trayball off handpost O D yeah he's talking wild he saw Chuck throwing those gang signs he's like not he one of us

You're different. You're different. Damn. All the way for me to compete here, one category left. Give me the arch nemesis of the light skin Drake, Dylan Brooks. Wow. Yeah. Dylan Brooks defense?

Now that is tough. Now, that is tough. I got Kelly Ubrae doing a whole lot of this. Okay. Okay. So I got to finish this off with shooting or my bad with finishing. And to do that, go ahead and give me Anthony Davis. Simple pick. Easy pick. Okay. I can see that. Also, can I go back. Can I revise my defense? I want to give a real light skin for defense. No. No, you can't. That's all I'm banking on. This is just jokes. It's just jokes. It's hilarious. I was just trying to get jokes off. You're stuck. To read my team off to the audio listeners, for body, I'm Wembe, shooting MPJ, finishing Anthony Davis, he's light skin, defense, Rudy Gaubert, and passing Tyrese Halliburton.

You're really toe in line the whole time. Bro, if Anthony Davis steps outside, his nose is turning red when it's cold as fuck, he's light skin. That's a pass right there. Okay? Whenever someone hits him in the face, his nose turns red, bro. Whenever he's running hella hard, nose turn red, cheeks red. He's light skin. That's a pass right there.

Yeah, we're getting unsurious on this spot. The body and face of Kelly Ubrey, Clay Thompson shooting, Blake Griffin finishing, Dylan Brooks defense, and lamello ball passing. All right. I have Jason Tatum body, Steph Curry shooting, Aaron Gordon finishing, Chet Holmgren defense, and Jason Kidd passing. Now, listen, if I was to give a real defensive pick, though, give me lots of ball. No, no, it doesn't matter.

Don't care. We don't want to hear it. I'm giving a lot on the body fence. Jason kid's a fake pick, too, to be honest with you. He really don't passes that. Oh, when I were getting a whole different type of conversation that is neither here nor there. This is a whole different podcast pretty soon.

Yeah. So as I'll get Uma on the phone real quick. Next thing we're going to do, moving on. We should never do that again. we can never do that again oh god let's get negative okay

what we're gonna do is I'm gonna name some NBA players and you're gonna tell me what their biggest flaw is what's one thing this player needs to fix we are in our bag today unsurious negativity wow

you weren't your bag sir staying true this is for you honestly this is what you're talking about you were some of race relations when we're relating to Joel and Beads MVP you can talk race relations in a draft and now you get to hate, this is for you, man.

Listen, this is my night. You mean, you're in a buffet right now. I meet him, feasting. So real simple, what's his NBA player's biggest flaw? First up, La Mello ball. Man, first and foremost, go ahead, go ahead. I was just going to say, first and foremost, them ankles are made out of glass. Yeah, running too many red lights.

He has a whole five-minute compilation. on YouTube where he just is speeding net senselessly those are one and two flaws for him yeah man it's got to be health at this point like he hasn't even had a chance to make a superstar leap because his health is coming and because his health has stood in his way

every single year I want him to have a health this season so bad listen you guys you guys are going that he needs to be more like his brother he needs to play some defense he's a cone he's a cone no he don't even need to be on his brother to be honest with he we need to ask bigger questions

What did LeVar Ball feed his kids? Because them boys cannot stand no court at all. We need Injambiguous Yeah, for real

No protein, no milk in their diet whatsoever. Bro, listen, they were at Del Taco every episode of all in the family. They were feasting.

Yeah, I was watching. That's crazy. I was watching. That's a Zion Williamson diet. Oh, God. His biggest flaw is that new Puma commercial he has where they have him in a barbershop going bruh i'm literally him that's his biggest

boy you should have never made that shit immediately since he does that his nb career was over damn he spread his ankle the next week after they debuted he cursed himself yeah all right next up tyrese halliburton oh man same thing man can't play defense i could score on tyrese he doesn't he doesn't doing anything. He doesn't move anybody. Let's you get on to the post. It might be a scary sight. Listen, you see my drop step in person. You know what that's like. No,

defense is number one thing. And honestly, it has to be an effort thing where he has to, as a leader of that team, he has to enforce a defensive intensity that others will follow. Because right now, his goal is just run up and down that court and get as many points as possible. Well, okay. I found the kill is going to say some

but yeah his his mic came in now the hair line is fine the airline is okay it's straight ain't any bad at all can't hear on that he's like and listen he's like looking up in this picture if you if you've seen him like on a after a haircut it looks fine after a haircut got him on his best day he's all right exactly yeah exactly it's not his worst flaw I'll tell you that the worst flaw is uncontrollable he is in Indiana. That's his worst. He's hooping right now.

Marketability. Yeah, exactly. Marketability down the plunger. Ain't no reason why he shouldn't have over 500K followers on Instagram right now. Wait, does he not have over 500K followers? No. We did that game, remember?

Maybe at 600K. I forgot about that while he is cloudless. Yeah, we don't care about Hoosiers on this side. That's not our bad. No motion. All right. Next up, Jalen Brunson. Damn.

What is his biggest flaw? Size. He's not six five. He's been the discourse lately. Yeah, he was not tall. He just not tall. Yeah. Honestly,

offensively, he has a full package. The only thing holding him back, that's the reason he's not an elite rim finisher or an elite passer is the size. If he was six, he would just be Shay Gildes Alexander. Yeah.

Exactly. That's crazy. But other than that, it honestly probably is his passing and his vision. That's just not his game. He's never. A consistent initiator

But that's okay There's so many point guards Like that in the NBA today It's because he's smaller He has to worry about getting his Right he can't see over the defense And I understand it's okay Right

Listen we need to get Jalen Brunson With those insoles That make you three inches taller Right You start practicing in them He might do some stuff Again let him be Let him be 64

All NBA first Moon shoes that they're popular in 2000s Like yeah little bouncing shoes He might be the go if he could put him in one of them. He's going to be three, six, between the legs. Ain't no stopping that.

And he's going at your chest, too. It's over. We got to get him some old school rebutt pumps. We pump the tongue. He's going to be like Mike. Yeah. It's over. Next up, Anthony Davis.

We all know what is. What do you want to talk about? What do you want to talk about? The fact, listen, is it the inconsistency? Is it the injuries? what is it right which one would you know expectations the high ass expectations that people have on cop out no scored 30 points in three straight games in a playoff series let me see it i need you to be in your bag please no the biggest flaw he has that at some point people decided he should

be one the best players in the world and now nobody satisfied with him just being the eighth best player in the world like it's a bad thing yeah exactly i'm sorry the generational talent we had we We had two high expectations for things that he was going to be the best player in the world for being 610 and being able to shoot jump shots and being able to block shots and being able to lead a franchise. Oh my goodness. Stop. Listen, he did not live up to expectations. She was supposed to be the best player in the world. The ceiling is collapsing. He's only a second option on a championship team averaging 27 points for game. Oh no. In the world. Call the fucking cops. For being real. It's just the jump shot. Other than that, he's a fine player all around. there's no there's no reason why people should be tweeting at him to get his CDL

people just hate his ass that's why because he's big for nothing right next up Victor women yama oh that he plays for the spurs and they have no point guard that's his big problem it's not his fault his biggest flaws he's 19 and he hasn't hit his prime yet because when he does the league is fucked that's the only thing holding him back time

yeah time and gregg popovitch just using his rookie year as a science experiment. That's literally it. Him using him for Jeremy Sohans development. Exactly. That's a curse. Oh, my goodness. Listen, I'm starting now, saving the day.

At least he has those H-EB commercials. Those are kind of good. Oh, then this is hard. You're right. Yeah. That's great. All right. Next up, we have Luca Donchich.

oh man this is a flawless dude I guess that his media picture looks like this right that the biggest flaw right I need him actually smiling in a picture because what what's going on

he looks mad confused in this picture you got fish lips going on y'all just cooking him no I mean he's a perfect office player only flaws is he's not a great defender if he was he would be head and shrollers best playing the world right now I think And that's probably going to remain his only flaw going forward

because pretty soon we're from having conversations of him maybe being the best point in the world despite that. Exactly. Exactly. Get this man more help. That's his biggest flaw. It's uncontrollable. His biggest flaw is that he was too good, too fast,

so they couldn't build a young core around him and now he's stuck in mediocrity. Facts. His second best player so far has been Derek a lively on a consistent basis. Tragic. Jalen Brunson erasure, but I'll live with it. Exactly. Stop painting on my guy.

All right. Next up. Zion Williamson. Oh my God, this picture is insane. I would have went with the original answer that everybody always knows. But this tattoo is this new biggest problem. He has to get this moved immediately. Get this off your body, man.

Yeah, it's not health anymore. At one point, it was health and body conditioning. Now it's just decision making from sodas in the bathroom, from eating from crepes to sodas in the bathroom to this tattoo. We got to evaluate decision making from top to bottom. Come on, man. Come on, man. Yeah. Yeah, the professional answer is his conditioning.

Yeah, that's just really it. And other than that, his ability to, yeah, it's just his conditioning to be honest with you. That's it. And his defense and defensive intensity. People always say, like, I haven't seen him get down in defensive stance this whole career. And I was like a joke. That shit's real. At Duke, he was swatting shots, had a high motor.

We thought he'd be a legitimate two-way star. his ass does not try at all on defense it's kind of pitiful for someone that talented Isaac you were right the first time it's decision making you a wrong man why do you have the statue come on you can't get past it I can't I can't decision making overall smart enough that's crazy that's any of that next thing we're going to do let's glaze the run a little bit oh my god we're going to do our tear list for the day Oh, no, I forgot. We changed it.

It's no longer about LeBron. Sorry. Not bad, y'all. The glazing's waiting. I'm sorry. It's in my DNA. I can't help it, but talk about LeBron. We're going to do a tier list.

And this is actually going to be different versions of the Boston Celtics. We're putting into a tier list. Okay. Okay. A sexy. A few weeks ago. Now we're moving to the other legendary team. And we're going to go team by team over the decades and put them in a tier list.

Love it. Simple and plain. So let me set up my chair. Boston Celtics tier list. First up, the 2008 Celtics. They won a championship. They won a championship. Yeah.

So you would want to put them in S. But these are the most annoying people on the planet when it comes to this championship. So we're not going to give them that respect. We're going to put them in A. And that is going to be that. They talk about this at every point they can. Like they were a dynasty. You got one ring.

A. Bro. If you asked me in 2009, easy-ass tier. The decade after that, where they made themselves the most unlikable championship team of all time, down day.

If you only win, run, and that's your only real chance at it, I'll be bragging about it for the next 80 years. They need to be S. No. No.

I can't give you that. I can't give you that. That's funny as fuck. All right, next up. 20, finals. You didn't win a chip, so you can't be A. But you're really good.

So I guess B. It's the most of them made it and not want it. Exactly. Yeah, we got to go B. Two wins away from an NBA championship. That's as close as you can get. Who'd they play in the finals again that year? Mr. Knight Knight.

Oh, yeah. And that stings. Fuck. You just got Steph carried. Yeah. Next up, 1986 This peak of Larry Bird This is an easy S tier

This is one of those teams that is in the conversation For like greatest teams of all time When you talk about beautiful basketball, ball movement People at their peak This this is it Dirty Dan Laird This is standard Top 5 player at peak of his prime

You can't get much red in this Dirty dang Larry Bird man Around this time we heard some of the craziest trash talking stories this is s tier this man was spit and dip at half time dropping 45 on your favorites it's crazy doing it with his left hand just because jeans on just because him just rang the jeans were unstoppable next up 2018 when they had kairi playing well oh man this is like a d this team crashed and burned in the worst way yeah literally 20 seconds into their season Gordon Hayward snapped his ankle, bro, on a lob attempt.

Oh, not a lot of them. It was a lot of attempt, but it was terrible. No, it was a lot of attempt. It was a long of a time. They thought he was LeBron. That was crazy. Yeah, man, listen, vibes on this team were at an all-time low. It seemed like nobody liked each other.

Nobody knew their role. And even though that they got to the conference finals in 2018, Kyrie wasn't there. And then everything got better because the vibes were better. So up and down team, got to put Ed D. Yeah. The best thing, the best thing to come from this was, it was very clear from the jump that Jason Tatum was a star. That's the moral of the story for this season.

Dunkin-L-Labron at 19. The birth of Jason Tatum. Yeah, exactly. He was so great. He stayed 19 for like five years. Probably. The ageless wonder. He's never seen before.

Next up. This year, 2023. Championship of favorites. Where are we putting them? Listen, I think they're in the championship, so I'm going to put them in A. Do we go B until they do? Sure. I think they're better than, I think this current iteration of the Celtics is better than B though.

They can earn it, but right now B tier was the version of then that actually made the finals. Let's put them there until they can actually win it and go elevate to A tier. That's fair. That's fair. I don't like it, but whatever. Next up. 162 who peak of Bill Russell

Domit oh peak Bill Russell there we go yeah yeah go ahead go ahead

let a C tier no this needs to be S this needs to be S really bro we can't be like Edon's Heisland we can't be shitting on Bill Russell

S tier just so we don't get yelled that by the Boston fans facts well he had to go through back in them days boy oh boy he needs to be ass

we said it before early TikTok he beat The Lakers and racism. Double chip, S-tier. That is true. My bad. My bad bill.

Last little at least, 2016 when Isaiah Thomas was eating. Listen, if you ask Isaiah Thomas, this is S-tier, right? This is the greatest team of all time. Probably a C-tier. You didn't make the finals, lost in conference finals.

Or, yeah, lost in conference finals, all that. Very good team. Also, pure nostalgia. This should be an A-tier. Dude, sister passed away mid-play. performance or mid playoffs and he went ahead and dropped 50 the next day it needs to be a but realistically speaking they're clearly way better than s a b i would say probably d too because they're

just that stack d but i want to put them in c i mean i'll put him the 2018 the 2018 team was better but nostalgia isaiah thomas is much cooler than the 2018 team let's go see yeah exactly yeah my death respect your hoopers my kings are here and this is our tier list our boston south list. I like it. To be honest, this is not that bad at all. We never miss. We never miss all the cheerless. It really shocked me to this day. Like I think we we like tried to mess up sometimes and it just never happens.

Screw that. I think you mess up all the time. But this is past. I knowles never with the tearless. That's funny. All right man. Next video we're going to do, which one should we do next? Let's do some deal or no deal. We haven't done this in a few weeks. It's a new series we've been running around with. you know how it works. I give you an NBA trade around a player

and you tell me if you're taking the deal or not. And this week, we're doing Shea Gildless Alexander. Most favorite. All right, you putting me in the same front office, Ad Donovan, things are going to get spicy. This picture is crazy as hell, by the way, too. Audio listeners, this man has me with the Shea Gillis Alexander undies,

the tidy whitties. You did this to yourself. You threw them Shay undies on your face and just, ah. Yeah, we have a picture with him on his face. Why didn't we use that one? I'm heartbroken. You know why? Because producer Nikiel threatened me.

And he said, you need to put this on your face for content. I was like, fuck it, fine, I will. And I did it. Embarrassed. I was in the room. Nikiel didn't say a word. Prove it. Let's go on.

I'm thinking of my grave. All right, so you get it. You guys have Shade Gildis-Ox-X-Xand here on your team. I'm going to name some deals. You didn't even know if it's a deal or no deal. Are you taking the trip? Okay. First up.

She goes to Alexander for Deeran Fox and Keegan Murray. Don, if you pick up that phone, you are fired. They're blocked. I don't ever hear any calls from the Sacramento Kings. Hell no. Deering Fox is hooping, but he is not on Shea's level. Sad to say. They're both after security.

But you think Keegan Murray makes up that gap? Nah, does not. Nah. I'm keeping share on my team. It's hard to trade a top 10 guy, but if you're going to do it, getting like a top 16 guy plus a three that can replace Josh, getting your lineup, you might be a better team?

I'm not. I'm lying, I'm not. I'm not trying to way. Thank you. The foundation of my team. Yeah. When Deer and Foss get the skim deal, let me know, all right?

This man is moved by skims. He needs to live in one of these, let me know. Until then, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. This isn't a bad trade, though. This is as close you're going to get for another elite point guard.

Yeah, this is not. bad at all, but it's still not great. Next deal. Shee for Devin Booker straight up. Nah, I'm good. I'm good. You can stay out there. You can stay out there, Devon. Right? Listen, drive. This is tough. Is it?

It's not the 10th. It's like two fringe top 10 players. And one of them is years younger than the other. I'm taking Shea. He's like maybe two years. He's not that young. He's like say's 25. D-Book's like 26. maybe you're 27 now. It's not that crazy of a difference. No, bro. I'm taking

I'm keeping, I'm keeping Shea. It's easy. What, like, why why would I take Devin Booker over Shea? Devon Booker dated Kylie Jenner. Oh. Listen, do we care? Listen, don't get into an aura battle with Shea Gertes Alexander.

That's what we're not going to do because he's going to come out on top most of the time. And this is one of those times. Okay. all right y'all mean mo's a milk man no relax I knew you said that shit

no facts I knew you're going to say that shit no Shay's probably a slight better defender right now he's a higher volume score we don't have the close out game concerns we have a Devin Booker who kind of falls a lot it's close because Devin Booker's that guy too

but I don't see why you would disrupt your team and get rid of Shea for someone who's like equal footing exactly yeah exactly it's not worth it it's not worth it yeah Shay's the franchise. Let's keep you that way. No deal. Next up.

Shea for Lamello Ball, Brandon Miller, and two first-round picks. Brother, I'm not taking the deal. Hold on, no. I'm not taking a deal. Think about it. Think about it. Not in my front office.

Listen. This is a hall. For what? For what? So I can get a point guard who misses half the season every year? Listen.

Walk with me. Lamello ball averaging like 25 and like 8 this season. Yes, he has gone through his injuries, but 15. Walk with him, chill. Walk with me. Brandon Miller, averaging like a cool 15. Two first-round picks. Them boys is ass right now.

And they get to continue to be ass. Exactly. Now, with that being said, I'm still hanging up the phone. God, the walk is over. I thought we had one. Yeah, sorry. Shades is untouchable in this circumstance. If you gave me four four-shot picks, now we're talking.

That's the only time when I really-old. You want the franchise. I might as well give you the DJ. the stadium too yeah yeah i'm gonna need that give me jordan's give me jordan i need to a part of that i need 25 all right man no deal i guess thought i had you is that the last one up next up shay for joelle mbid the MVP soon to be two time joel next to chet is insane that is a maximum that is a top three to four player in the league oh man now this has to be considered serious Seriously. You have to be honest with you, I might actually do this because this immediately puts me in real championship contention. I can just press the ass hell of picks. I can just trade for another point guard. I would do it. I would do it. Joel is different right now. We finally got one. Deal. Give me the soon to be two time MVP at the time. And you guys. You messed up. I know he's older. I think we have a championship window now. Give me the deal. Shut up, Donovan. This is my franchise. Deal. Deal. Sign me in, bro.

we're going to vote Donovan out of the majority ownership get out of here yeah he's going to quit me too you're fired that's great I'm going to run my own franchise collusion

jazzing for you hire him all right next thing we got we have two more TikToks left we had two more TikToks we're going to do something we haven't done a long time underrated, overrated or properly rated.

So I'm the name's MBA players and you let me know where you think they stand based on common perception of what you think they're viewed as. Common perception equals three tweets that I've seen on my timeline today. And this picture of Dylan Brooks is crazy. It's sassy as hell. He's like, mm-mm, what the fuck is this? He's swinging his hips in his picture. This is sassy.

You know what I mean. You know that. Hey, y'all clip that. Y'all clip that. Mm-mm. Let's get that clip that. Um, let's tweet that at me. You'll tweet that out of me, please.

Oh, bro. y'all see you get it underrated overrated or properly rated first up jason tatum i kind of think that jason tatum is a little bit underrated right now right underrated okay we we talked we talked about him in our rankings episode last week and everyone's just kind of bored they're like listen jason tamm he's gonna come out here get 28 points play good defense right be be the center of an offense man how hum i i think we should get jason tato a little bit more love I think he's properly rated. No one ever is ever going to say he's a top five player.

Everyone at the same time understands that he's top 10. He's properly rated. Yeah, he's firmly a top 10 guy that isn't in the upper echelon of MVP contenders every year. But he's right outside of that, pushing into that any year from now, any year now he can win a championship and earn his way into that. But right now, I think he's probably rated. Yeah, I hate. I know, I hate. I know y'all hate.

Fuck the Celtics. There's the hate. Deeran Fox Hmm I might It's a tricky one Because he's definitely highly rated right now He's rising

But I don't think that consensus Has come around on Deeran Enough So I'm gonna say you're right You also rated him 22nd In your top 30 list So you might be the reason is underrated You are

Shameful man Shame Shame shame shame shame shame shame shame shame shame That's probably out of sync Facts So I'm like a catastrophe Stop paying. Stop paying, man. Stop being.

I think the Air Fox has been like probably a top 15 player this year. He's really making a leap and can be like in Jamerrant conversations pretty soon or if not now. I'm going to a little underrated. Yeah. That three point shot has taken him to another level. That's rare air that he belongs to being. He's definitely underrated. Facts.

Next up, Jaron Jackson Jr. I think he's properly rated. Right? I think I think he's okay. What are you going to say underrated? I kind of want to say underrated because of the summer that he had. It was a bad summer. It was a bad summer.

That man is the raining DPOI. So you think he's a top five defense player in the league? He should be, yeah. He's not. On the top of my head, I don't know. He's not. Probably not. This man is overrated.

Whoa, he's not a top five defense player. There we go. Let's start these conversations up. Let's start conversations up. I don't think he is. Gobert, Janus, AD. immediately. Joel Unbeat's a better

defender, I think. Facts. Not like he's just one spot left. Is Jaron there? Is there nobody else better? Is he better defender than Dremond?

Is he better than BAM? Yeah. Compared to Dremont this season? Yeah. I'd rather say Jaron defense than Dremont for sure. I mean, Draymond's like

libelts is like Exactly. That's issue. You need insurance when you play against Dremon Green. I don't need no insurance when I'm going against

I'm going against Jaron. Now, I think he's slightly overrated but he can he can still get better But as the DPOI, I don't think he's a top five defender the grisies have a top seven defense and it's mostly because of this man right here So I don't I can't lean overrated. We're all split. That's crazy now man. I'm just finding a reason to say overrated I haven't said it yet. Oh, no, who cares? I'm with you. He's overrated

Let's go. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Let's get it out next up. Next up. Cade Cunningham Oh, poor Cade. He's properly rated. Everyone knows. he's in jail he's in hell Alcatraz we just feel bad for him he's in the mud I guess he's

probably rated yeah a lot of people are starting to say yeah a lot of people saying he's overrated though because he isn't able to help carry him over if you said Gay Gunning is overrated because he can't win with the worst team in the league

you're stupid as fuck I think Listen, I think before yesterday's game against the Nets, a lot of people would have said overrated. And then they saw him drop 40 and still lose, and they're like, all right, he's fine. Like, it's not his fault. Got to give it to him.

Now, put him on a competent team. We're going to see somebody that actually looks like a future All-Star. Thanks. Exactly. Under-reed. Underrated for so. Joel Embed. I'm going to say underrated, bro.

I got to say it outright. Before Donovan gets going, motherfuckers like you or why he's underrated. He is a top three player in the league He is going to be back to the MVP Top three powers Top three player in the league People like to say he's overrated

Because he gets hurt in the playoffs and everything I understand it's been disappointing He gets way too much hate than he deserves I'm sick of hearing shit about fouls And the discourse around that Shut up It's such an annoying discourse We get it you don't like watching it

It's still points, it matters It's a skill And it's a skill that a lot of players don't have He definitely is underrated Yeah exactly He's definitely underrated bro averaging 34 35 points per game he's having a much better season after an incredible MVP performance last assist he's actually being an offensive hub this man deserves more credit than he's

gotten and he's probably going to be on the all defensive team he's definitely underrated y'all done oh my god he said that as if it's like a super villain he's looming yeah this man is overrated all right this man is overrated from guys like you who don't care, listen, listen, first of all, he's not top three at all. He's not better than Yokic, not better than Yonis, not better than Steph, not better than the Luca, right? You can argue top five if you want. He's not top four.

I'm not giving him that. That's one. Two, you act like it's not a superstar's job to just be regular, right? Can you be competent come April, right? And he can't do it. That's part of your job. Everybody has a role. Derek White has to play a role.

Duncan Robinson has to knock down three. Everybody has to play your role. You want to be that good? You want to be a superstar. Be decent in the playoffs. And Joelle Embed, up until this point, has fallen off year after year after year. I don't want to hear it, okay?

He's overrated. He's not top three. Oh, don't give me that. Don't get a lie. Don't give me that. Luca might be better than him. I might be lying. Don't give me that.

Don't give me top three. He might be top four. I don't know. What that being said, we're talking about this season and I have to sadly disagree with you Donovan Yeah I get what you're saying

You're making valid points But I don't care Underrated Underrated it is Yeah I don't believe that He's probably He's probably for it Luca probably deserves to be better than them

I don't know Man just said Luca might be the best player in the league And I know I know Maybe he's not with the B Like Look at the B might be

the best player in the league at this rate just like him all it takes is one playoff push and we're going to have crazy conversations go ahead and do it you haven't done it neither is lucca next up dejante mary oh man depends who you ask but i think properly rated i think he's he's fine right he's not somebody that you want to build your franchise around and the hawks clearly see him as like hey maybe we can get him out of here so they're fine they're okay all listen Of Dejante Murray. To Landry Fields, extremely overrated. To everybody in the Hawks front office, giving up. But actually, four first-round picks, overrated as hell. But to the comment person, he was supposed to come in to be a lockdown defender,

fixing their defense next to Trey Young, going to be the secondary ball handler or helped their offense. It's been nothing but failure since he's gotten there. Not all his fault, but he hasn't helped at all to elevate them in really any way. His defense this year has straight up been bad, incredibly inconsistent. I don't know how he couldn't be overrated. You just hate this, man. be he's not incredibly overrated you act like his numbers are poo-poo platter he's not

poo-poo platter soon there's no impact put him up 20 i guess you're right it's not his fault with the pair of him with another point guard that was a stupid fucking decision exactly but he hasn't brought the team what he was supposed to it just it's just a bro this is just mid on mid and when you do that you get a catastrophe in front of you put him on a team like the lakers a man you're gonna be talking you're gonna be dancing get out of my face Alright, last one. Anthony Edwards. Hmm.

Properly rated for now, probably. Maybe a little overrated. Maybe a little bit overrated. Maybe I can see that. People really love him. Yeah. Yeah, he's cool, right? He's a cool personality.

But, like, when you talk about the elite, elite scores, he hasn't gotten there yet. Like, he's not scoring like Devin Booker. He's not scoring like Shay, right? He's not even really scoring like Jason Tatum. So I think there's still another leap that he has to take. scoring the basketball. People were definitely ready to crown him a top 10 player because they just want him to date their daughter or something.

But he is making the lead to the top 15 to 20 player. So I can see probably rated, but maybe a little bit overrated for that reason. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think the season though he can probably get to that level, but time will only tell. For sure.

One more playoff push and that quickly flips to being properly rated. Facts. And that's the end of that segment. We have, let's see, one more video left. Before we got a year. We're going to talk about NBA MVP seasons and which ones were more impressive. Okay.

We haven't done this like a year. We did this a while ago, like last season. I'm going to pull out a couple more that, some matchups that we didn't do the first time around. Let's get it going. Real simple and playing. Two hundred feet seasons, you let me know which one's better. Let's roll.

First off, 22 Nicola Yokic versus 2020 Janus. Did 2020 Yonis win defensive player this year too? I think he did. Yes. That's different. Yokish did a lot with no help, but Yonis was DPOI at the same time. I got to give it to Yonis. Yeah.

Winning defensive player of the year while also having that same offensive output being the best at those two categories, might have to be. That's a rare, bro. That's hard to do. It's just a rare air. Even if you think Yolkish was a slightly more better, even if he thinks, damn, I can't talk. I'm like, never mind.

Even if you think Yokish was a better player this season, just the simple fact of having both trophies at once is so hard to do, you got to give it to Yonis. Yeah, the last time that we saw someone win MVP and defense player of the year was MJ? That's crazy. Keying the conversations that season of Yonnes was in. Crazy peak. Yes. Just different. Next up, 2006 Steve Nash for 2023, Joelle Embeded.

Ah, two fraudulent MVP against each other. I see what you did here. I see what you did here. Steve Nash, MVP just pissed me off. I don't know what. It just does. It just irritates me. You don't deserve an ass shit. Listen, I would give it to Steve Nash over Joelle and Bede because as we've said many times before, Joelle and Bede's MVP push, while he did have a great season, it was based off some race relations off a bad, off a bad intention talking point.

I got to give it to Steve Nash. No, yeah. Steve Nash at least was the centerpiece of one of the best teams in the league and really had like the best player and the best team argument for him. in the West. Joelle and B was just the benefit of a good PR campaign by Kendrick Perkins.

This is a, it was such a rare, weird robbery? But was Joel and B a better player than Steve Nash, though, at that point in time? I mean, maybe not. Maybe, maybe not. Steve Nash is out here

leading the number one offense in the league, right? Changing the way people play offense, kind of revolutionizing it. You got... Yeah, Steve Nash is such an unorthodox player that, like, is hard to have those comparisons. But, I mean, he's a Hall of Famer.

He was great. we all know joll and b better let's stop that we all know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know that for sure that might that might be a good conversation if you don't know for sure i'll tell you it's for confident about joel there you go i'm going steve nash just so i'm not over the fact the yokech got rubbed okay

still pissed 2016 curry versus 2013 lebron james oh guys listen 2016 curries i know the best season is of both grades. When I am 75 years old, I'm going to be telling my grandkids, you weren't there. You don't understand how good 2016 Steph Curry was. Like 2016, Stephrow, UK. We know, we know how good LeBron was. And people were saying, is Steph Curry better than LeBron? Because of how good he was in

2016. He wasn't playing in the fourth quarter and still averaging 30 points a night. Come on now. This This is different. Yeah. I think this is the prime example of 2013 LeBron being a better player, but Curry having the more impressive MVP season. There's a very, just a difference there. It's unanimous, man. What can we say?

We've seen LeBron like literally break down teams and one-on-one players, but we've never seen him break the league and force the entire NBA to play a certain way. And that's what this season established. Listen, this isn't the best player of all time in Curry, but this might be the most impressive MVP. you've ever seen facts it's not crazy to say it's in those conversations yeah no I think it is it is the the conversation yep unanimous right how many

unanimous has other been is it only him never it's never been anymore yeah it's only him the only unanimous that that's hard to top the second yeah LeBron was close to it but a few people fucking obviously hate LeBon so that he wasn't that robbery no don't be started all right last one 2001 Allen Iverson or 2017 Russell Westbrook These are the same exact vibes, man The feel good stories Doing a lot with a little Who are we picking

We gotta give it To the man who was playing With Pepe Sanchez I gotta give it to him No Gotta give it to You talk about playing with Pepe Sanchez This man Russell Westbrook

Was playing with Andre Roberson He played with Kyle Singler Do you know who that is? Kyle Singler I forgot about Kyle Singler You want to talk about a mid- off. Give me Pepe Sanchez versus Andre Robeson 1v1. We're going to break backboards.

What's nasty out here? It's nasty out here. Ennis Canter, this is Innes Canter pre-Cannon or Fox News. Gross, bro. Oh, pre-prime Ennis Canter? Prime Ennis Canter? Yes. Freedom? Oh, I'm going with fucking Island Iverson. I used to marry my case at that. You lost me there. Alan Iverson. You'll go. You win.

Simple fact you don't have Adam. I don't have to vote for Endus Cantor in anyway. Nah, man, but you didn't see Russell Westbro go ahead and decimate the Denver Nuggets playoff hopes with a game winner at the end of the season. That was during his MVP season. That's top tier. Man, white kids were pulling up to the arena in fake braids and shooting sleeves to try to be like Allen Iverson.

But that's or though. That's not, that's not basketball. Who cares? You think I'm going to discount aura? Who cares? You lost me, Alan Iverson, you win It's Alan Iverson, come on Russ, they don't know, ball, man

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