The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Thing We Learned About Every 2026 NBA Playoff Team | Ep. 209

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

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B. Souls. Yes. What is one thing you've learned about yourself during the NBA playoffs so far in the past, what is it, 10 days or so? Oh, I don't know hoops. Okay. All my predictions are wrong. So far, they could still end up being right with the outcome, but no. Not really good?

Don't know ball. Don't know ball. I don't even know what you're referencing right now. What did you get wildly wrong? Philly. I thought the Celtics were going to end it in five It's not going to be in five Martians don't matter though

As long as you pick the right team You can't really predict the games for real So sometimes the Celtics are going to lose That's what I'm saying I mean we don't know You don't know that The Magic Pissons True

Okay Everyone's wrong about that for sure Yeah I don't think you gotta beat yourself I'm about that one too much That's one of the pissens being frauds Yeah Yeah

Your Lakers pick My coach Salt and Ice They also might lose So listen maybe you don't know ball Maybe you're right. Self-awareness. With that being said, we're going to talk about what Beasol's has learned about himself in the past 10 days.

We're going to talk about what Mo has learned about himself in the last 10 days. But more importantly, we're going to talk about one thing we've learned about every single NBA team in the playoffs so far. We'll go through every single matchup in the first round, tell you one take what you've learned new information, not just, oh, we thought the Pistons had no shooting. Now they don't have shooting. We knew that. Something brand new we learned since the playoffs started about these teams. Perfect. cue the intro music

we're throwing it back we're throwing it back let's crazy he was bragging I don't you The cranium is crazy Oh my god Crowd Eaters rejoice Let's start today off

Talking about the prediction that we referenced in the intro Beesoles came up here And was the only one brave enough Pick the Lossack Angeles Lakers to beat the Houston Rockets before the playoffs started. We all came up here and we said, damn it sucks. The Lakers have no chance. No Luca, no Reeves. They're going to get blasted in four or five games.

Turns out the Lakers went up 30. That damn, the Rockets are cooked. It's over. They're about to get swept. They've now won two straight games. Now Twitter, the chatter is. Is Lebron fin to be the first player and they'd be a history to blow a 3-0 lead? Oh my God. The Rockets have looked like the best team in the series for three straight games now. And if they weren't completely moronic in game three to blow a six point.

and leave with 10 seconds left, they'd have control of the series. How are you feeling about the series before we get into one thing we've learned? I'm really interested right now. Listen, man. I really liked it. I don't like the way he headlined LeBron,

bro. LeBron been in the party leave for like a fucking 50 years at this point. He's seen a lot of things, man. I'm surprised. He's never seen this. He'll be the first one to see this. You're right.

Now, I'm just saying what Twitter's saying. Whether or not they're right or wrong, to frame it that way is one thing. You know what? No. they kind of are. They kind of are right. Because as soon as the Lakers got up too old,

everybody was like, look at LeBron, goat James out here doing it again. Just leading the Lakers. So if you're going to give him credit when it's up too O, if they do, if it does happen, then it is like, okay,

you do have to come back on the opposite side and have a little bit of the same smoke if they blow the series. Now, I don't think they are, but damn it's going to be funny. I'm just ready to laugh at this point. Like I said, Today is Thursday, April 30th.

Last night they played in game five of the series. The Rockets won pretty handily. We're now seeing two straight games in which the Rockets' defense has completely rebounded. The first two games, they weren't able to control the Lakers. Mostly two-point variants, the Lakers shot insane for those first two games. Marcus Smart and Luke Kinnard looked like an all-star duo. LeBron did a good job with his jump shots in the mid-range, controlling the game. The last three games came around, and the Lakers are now shooting 27 percent from three,

and the Rockets are one shooting 38 percent. It's flipped shooting-wise, and that's kind of the story of it, is kind of just one team is shooting well and the other teams are not now. But outside of that, the Rockets defense is completely locked in now. They're finally doing what we thought they'd do the whole time when we predicted them to beat the shit at the Lakers.

Amend Thompson is guarding the hell out of Luke Kinnard, guarding the hell at a Marcus Smart, making sense that these guys have elite defenders. They shouldn't allow these guys in Lakers to be able to dribble at all and be able to completely swarming them with their physicality. We are seeing that now for two straight games. Yeah, you're right.

Luke Kinnard, I mean, like, Luke Kinnard is just Luke Kinnard. No one's ever going to like completely a shit on him because he is at the end of day a role player. And role players are found to be inconsistent as hell. Now I'm gonna do that. But to the degree in which he's being locked up

by men is kind of crazy. And it makes sense. And the only hope for the Lakers right now and J.J. Reddick is try to make it adjustment to let him do more offball stuff. But at that point in time, you can only run so much off ball for Lukanard. Now, I'm a clown.

How many, how many points do you think Lucanard scored yesterday? Yesterday? I think like six. One. Damn. He got quick. He got crazy.

I don't remember him at all. He got Clay. And this is like, that's not even Luke Conard. It's Michael Sarah. It's like some actor. What the fuck? You know what I was there?

Dude, I don't know white actors like that. You don't know anyone. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's Michael Sarah. He's an actor. He's super bad.

Yeah. That's so funny. I thought it was Timothy Shalame. No, I know him. Okay. I know a couple. Zendaya. But yeah.

So the Rock is. Oh, he knows his ball for him. Oh, wow. A little bit. Yeah, the Rock is defensive is doing what it's supposed to do. And offensively, Shengun is still doing his playmaking stuff.

Still, when Jackson Hayes gets in the game, posts him up, scores on him real well because Jackson Hayes, like we said, cannot hang in the post with anybody with weight on him. But the real story to me offensively is Amin Thompson and Jabari Smith Jr. are asserting themselves so much better. Reed Shepard the last two games,

you're shooting the ball with confidence. He sealed the game for them in the game five. At the end, the Lakers had cut it to two points. Reed Shepard, four straight points, including I think it was a tough mid-range bucket and then he rips LeBron, goes back and does a fast-reed dunk in the other end, really seals the game when we could have had

another Rockets blown lead in the fourth quarter to make them lose the series, reach up or came clutch. Those three guys have been their offense. I didn't see the Mizz, but I swear a Menn Thompson and Shangoon played the entire game. It felt like they played 48 minutes last night. It was probably close to that.

A Mn played 46. Shing-Goon played 43. Yeah, so they got slight breathers who played the whole game because they needed to. And yeah, I think the main takeaway from you now is that this is what should have happened. If they didn't blow that game three lead, like I said in the beginning, they'd be up three, two. If they didn't have the most baffling, embarrassing two games showing to start the series on both sides of the ball,

they should have handled Lakers and got them out of here like we've seen the last two games. This is what should have happened. But they're stupid as fuck and put themselves in a three-hole, three-game lead. I mean, three-game hold that maybe it's too much to get out of and we're going to see the Lakers get a game eventually. But it has to be frustrating for Rockets fans. That's now you're seeing exactly what should have happened from the jump. And that's why I think I've learned there will be a trade this all team. I don't know who's going to get traded, but clearly there's something here.

And we said that last year when they had James Green. We said that this, coming into this year when they got Kevin Wright, you saw the vision. And Katie hasn't been here for basically every game in the series except for one. He's going to miss game six as well. But you have, you have pieces and players that can continue to develop and people that can actually give you very, very meaningful minutes in a playoff game. Like with a man with Jabar Smith, with Tariiessen, when he's not, you know, fouling out. But you have the pieces around it. Now, I don't know if that's going to come from a Shangoon trade, from a KD trade.

But I do think that the rockets are, even though that like they were down O3 and they look super, super far. And we still have questions about, about Eme. I think that they might be closer than what the beginning of this series showed us. They definitely are. And I think it just felt really, really doom and gloom because it's like, damn, like, Reach up or can't stay on the floor. A men can't shoot. Sangoon is not a number one option.

KD, like the vibes are bad. This coach is awful. And two days ago, it felt really, really bad. Yeah, I saw the image should be fired. That's what I think I've learned. I'll say that's the one thing I've learned. I think he should be fired. But I'll say the same thing that I've said this entire series.

Tyree Salverton. Every time we react to... It's voice. I got like Flim. I got flim for two seconds. I'll say the same thing I've said every single time we come up here. We reacted to the Rockets. We talked about how down bad they've been in the series.

I'm still not going to overreact too much because they don't have Fred Vendez and Stephen Adams. You still can't exaggerate just how momentous that is to lose those two guys for this specific team. So you said you've learned there's going to be a trade in some way, don't know who it's going to be. Yeah, it better be for a point guard. It better be for a point guard that we could rely upon to be there because if Fred Vendavent was there, this would not be a series. It would be the five-game ass-women that we thought it could be still. And last night I showed you that, that when they can assert their size, when they're not doing with it in the first two games and completely falling apart with the turnovers,

not being able to create any good looks shooting straight bricks, that's something that a point guard would stop from ever happening in the first place. So they're one good, reliant guard play away from not being in this hole

and being in the second round. Yeah, that's good takeaway. I think the biggest thing that I learned specifically honing in from last night based off what we've seen from the last few games is Reed Shepherd is not a hoe, man.

Him seeing the game off a nightquil when he's like sick as hell. I think we found that out through inside the name. in behalf of the game when he had an interview with Ernie Johnson. That's wildly impressive. Seeing him like rip the brawn after he and also after seeing him like juggle the ball a little bit

and seal the game and hitting a fading two-point that's close to the room, of course, was wildly impressive. I think that I learned that he deserved a much longer leash. And I still agree. Like I agree with you as well. Like he may should not be the head coach of this team. I think he's still like the most uninspiring, uncreative offensive coach in the playoffs right now, which says a lot.

But also it's not. necessarily completely his fault too because this team does have holes and glars but i do feel more confident about reach up and when it comes to like how i view him it was so like volatile but i think after seeing what he did not only last night but the game after before that too like he he he shot like five or 12 from the field or something like that which isn't the greatest but overall like with someone of his skill set you can the offense just naturally feels better always when the ball is either his hand in his hands or he's involved in some way so he's he's solid I'm still concerned about reach up.

You are? Yeah, I mean, I like that he's playing better and shooting in confidence. It's still crazy just how small he is defensively and how much they can pick on him. So it's nice that it's working. I think the idea of the offense feeling so good in the balls in his hands

is for what I said before that they're just dying for a competent guard play, that having him on the floor is so needed because there's nobody else to get handle the rock. So he's like a lifeline for a team that without him being the life jacket, they'd be fucking drowning

in his abyss of no ball handling. So he looks like the same. by proxy still look concerned still would like to see he's not a game by game audition for our respect yeah you came up here after one game where he has a four point swing to seal the game you're like you're not a ho that's hilarious but very game he has to earn the respect of the public yeah I mean that's what that's what it is what the playoffs is and I think that you're right like it does look so much worse when like he looks like a fucking superhero out there when he's the only

guy who can do so super simple things things. But overall, like, this team does need a complete restructing and reframing. And I'm still, like, standing on the whole, like, I don't think Katie should be here. This is a better team, obviously, but I think in the long run, you don't earn or gain much or you're not making, like, serious one runs with Katie on this team. And I think because of the actual flaws within your team when it comes to Shangoon and Javarri Parker has certain limitations. But Javari Smith, Jr. has certain limitations in his game. but you know you can do productive things with him. I think it would be just smarter if they got ahead of it

and really like workshop this team in a better way. Yeah. But yeah, again, but circling back to what we saw last night, shout out them, man. They're doing what they should have done. And this is such a funny series in how we look at it now that those first two games, it's crazy that the Lakers 103O, that they shot so well

that we got those Luke Kinard-Market-smart smart games and that the Rockets pissed down their leg this hard, even in a game with KD. Because like, I can't remember. a series that's so opposite in how it starts and how it seemingly is going to end. We'll see if they come back or not. If they do the first 3-0 come back, history says they won't. It's outlandish to be the first team to ever do that.

So they probably won't. They'll probably still lose if there's ever a team that could blow. A 3-0 lead is this Lakers team. But regardless of they win or not, they're clearly playing like we expect them to play now after being utter embarrassments of the first two games. And that's why people were mad at me as a Lakers fan because in our last episode, I wasn't like big enough the Lakers acting like there's some great team that we didn't see coming and they're so good. I kept reiterating this is about the Rockets being a fucking disaster.

And I think these last two games have like proven that to be the takeaway. The Lakers have no business being a 3-0 on this team. The Rockets truly, truly, truly snatched a feat from the hands of victory. And we can't reiterate enough that it is truly embarrassing that we're in this place and they're not up 3-2 or 3-1 or the series. Or the series isn't over for the Rockets. Yeah, I think the Lakers will win the series. I think the, like, you're going to get a better Austin Reeves game than what you got yesterday. Maybe. He means pretty rusty coming off all that time.

Four for 16 is ridiculous. Yeah. It's crazy. Can you go five for 16? Maybe. Like, I think, yeah, it'll be better. With the Lakers, I did learn. LeBron's going to play 48 minutes in one of these games.

He, they have nobody. They are essentially a six-man rotation right now. And I had, like, Jackson Hayes gets 10 minutes because you got to give DeAndreux in the break. Jake La Ravia, he can't play in this. He can't play in any series. He's not,

he's not there. He's the least favorite Laker by far right now. Him and Jared Vanderbilt, but Jared Vandenbo, but Jared Vald was always the least favorite. Jake Lovia's on Jared Vanderbilt time into me.

Those two guys can't play. And so that's why I'm looking at, I'm looking at the minutes that everybody's playing. And LeBron played 40 minutes last night. I think, especially in game six, you really, really, really don't want this to go to a game seven.

And that's why I do think that LeBron is going to play even heavier minutes. Also, 0 for 6 and 3 last night? Crazy. Yikes. That was tough. Wowzers. It was. It was like that.

But they need all the, they need all the playmaking and all the IQ because up and down this roster, the basketball IQ is not 100% there. And LeBron also is the first person to let you know that right now. bro, it's so funny watching everybody just make mistakes. LeBron just put his hands on his hips or just like take a deep side and just be like, oh my God, this guy messed up, this guy messed up. He is going to play crazy. Jackson Hayes gone into the game for his first time last night,

first play after the time out when he was subbed in moving screen. And I'm just like, man, there's so many dumbasses on this team. It's crazy. There's so many players that just fuck up around LeBron. It's crazy. And yeah, I guess for the Lakers, I think we just learned they are who we thought they were, that they had, I don't want to call it lucky because they earned those first two wins. They played outstanding.

But they had a unsustainably hot start shooting, unsustainably hot start with Luke Kinnard, unsustainably hot start with the Rockets being stupid for those first two games and not exerting their physicality over Luke Kinnard. So it's not a, it's not luck that they got those wins, right? They took advantage of a team that wasn't ready to be there in the playoffs and the Rockets, but that wasn't a good indication of what they were going to be for the whole series. Now they've kind of lost that early boost. They're kind of returned to Earth in terms of shooting luck.

They've returned to Earth in terms of being able to keep that level of physicality up for a full game for a full series. LeBron looks a little slower. The game before this one had the worst game of his last 10 years in the playoffs. Not a coincidence. He's old. This Rocket team is physical. As a series goes on, the more physical team is going to have more just like wind in their lungs for a seven game series. We're seeing the Lakers revert to being who they are instead of the first two games in which they had this like crazy chip on their shoulder and played the best case scenario possible.

I'm going for the Rockets and I'm going for the Sixes. I think those two those two are going to just be hilarious. It would be hilarious. If we can get both of them out to paint right now. Here's the thing, I don't really care if in the vacuum if the Lakers get out of the first round.

They're going to go face a thunder and get swept. I don't need to see that as a Lakers fan. I do for the life of me not need to see my team be the first thing to blow a 3-0 lead. I just can't have that happen. I can't have Alperin-Shangoon. Walk you down.

Be the fucking star player that has the first 3-0. comeback at LeBron James and Lakers' expense, I cannot live in a reality where that happens. I will have to disappear off the face of the fucking earth if that is the trivia fact that remains true. I needed to happen. I can't have it. So badly. If it was 3-1, I'd be cool.

I wouldn't care if they blew the lead. But in 3-0 lead, I will lose my mind if there's the only team in history to do that. I will be manifesting in a men-thompson magnet ball game. Is it? He had two-three. You just got it. Hit three. It's going to be fun.

Yeah, so surely the Lakers, we're not going to have four straight games of shooting below 30% from three. I would hope. All they have to do is get lucky and have another hot shooting game like they did in the first two games

where Rui isn't passing up on shots where Luke Kinnard has 15 points instead of two or one, I should say. Yeah, one. And they have a regular shooting team but they're a good shooting team around LeBron and the series will look different. It's hard to have a bad shooting game

for four straight games. But if anybody was going to do it, it probably is this Lakers team. Yikes. Kind of scared. Just don't let it be me. Don't let it be me that goes down in history and rots like that.

Like don't let this rock is to you. Please let it be him. Let me get swept by the thunder. I'll live. I'll take the lashings that people will give me and laugh at me because Austin Reeves issued 20% for the series and they're all like,

ha ha, your guy's a bum, you can't hang with Lou Dort. I can live with that. That's fine. I'm prepared for that, actually. Don't let me get the 3-0 slander. I can't do it with that. Three-o is disgusting.

I'm not going to open Twitter for a week. I'm going to go out my head. You think people, will pull up on you in real life. They're gonna fucking just punch me. Three, oh, bitch. Spit on me. Ew.

That's for Shangoon. That's for Outby. Okay, let's talk about the other team that you mentioned, the other series you mentioned Donovan. Celtics for Sixers. Yes. Beesles, how are you feeling? You're seeing the Sixers walk down the lead that your team built.

I will say, I told you all they were going to make it interesting. Yeah. You did. You told us that the Celtics are 2-1 series to take care of business. Two-un-series play with their food. The worst home team I've ever seen. I don't know what it is.

Maybe they get too confident at home. Yeah. I understand. It's a 3-1 lead. The odds are in our favor. That game five, man. Another bad shooting night. That's what we said last year against the Knicks.

Oh, this won't happen again. This won't happen again. And then it happened four times. Next thing you know, we're out the playoffs. So, yeah, and B's a monster. That's what we've learned. We've learned in this series that I already knew this, but we've learned it even more,

that Joelle M.B. deserves the utmost respect for his resiliency to walk into this series off of an appendicitis in which he had one of the fastest recoveries I've ever seen from a medical emergency like that. Walked into the series, averages 29.5 points on 56% true shooting, seven rebounds, seven assists against an elite defense. Off of an appendicitis,

Austin Reeves just got out of injury and came back. Rusty as shit, she was tour dates. Joel and Bede is a walking bucket almost no matter the circumstance. Yeah, Joel NB. is a warrior. I remember when he was coming back, I was up here saying, bro, why? Like, I just assumed they were going to get belted regardless. Based off the first game, it was seeing him come back, I was like, bro, like, at this point

of time, what are you doing? He doesn't deserve to be here. You guys are going to lose regardless. Tyrese is doing Tyrese Maxie's doing Tyresexie things, but outside of that, this team was desolate. And then C. Cren Grimes and Paul George who also like,

damn Pete, he kind of revetted himself. He reinvented him the fuck out of himself, man, doing what he's doing defensively, showing up offensively giving you a smooth like 12 to 15 points being like the perfect ideal guy in between Tyrese Maxie and Joel Embed. Smushing in all the rookie stuff that Vijay does here and there as well.

All right, that was wrong. Is Paul Jordan from the best 3&D players in the NBA now? 17 points on 63% shoot shooting for the series. You're getting 53% from three. Is he the best three and D wing in the playoffs? All right. I'm a loki. Maybe.

Yeah. Right now. So far. Outside of OG, yeah. Let me aside of OG. He's shooting 50% from three. It's been Paul George.

Shout out OG. OG is kind of nasty. Shout out OG. Salute OG, better defender. Paul George is shooting 50% from three. I understand that. But it's not sustainable.

It'll go for us. Of course, not. It's two of five games. But yeah, why do you feel like the Celtics lost the game last night, or two days ago, aside from poor shooting? Or is it just poor shooting? Because that's what they do. Yeah, I think that's a big part.

Derek White is just, he's lost it. Do you think he's lost it? I feel like I've seen a lot of people say that. They're like, it's transcended poor shooting streak. It's transcended slump. Like, it looks like it's a serious issue. If you watch him, there's shots that he just hesitates on. He literally looks scared out there.

there was a play a couple games ago. Yeah. They got an offensive rebound. Derek White is wide open in the corner. They left him alone like he was Shaq. And Tatum, Tatum had the ball. He didn't even look his direction because he know it was going to be a brick.

Like it's so bad that the game plan is truly shifting to just, yo, Derek White's just a bad shooter. And that's just what we have to live with. Like, it's insanely bad. What I wrote on my notes is that Derek White has turned into Dremont Green. Yikes.

When he shoots, it's a turnover. Might as well just start running the other way. Seeing like, when I say the hesitancies, when you're going back to what you said when he comes to the hesitancy that he shoots with, that's like Draymond Green like shit right there where he's just like

he's looking for other guys and he really doesn't want to pull it, but he knows it's like a good open shot. And routinely, at least for the last two to three years, you've seen Derek White be a good shooter. But also like we all know he's prone to that. And what's really like helped like not feel, you not feel that blow as much is seeing guys like Payton Pritchard for instance.

Just go up, roll out of bed, give you a smooth, 2018 points a game. And whenever he's not doing that, that's when things are super desolate as well. These last two games, the two losses recently that they've had, Payne Pritchard, he has shot 0 for 4 and also one for five. Just putting up

11 or 12 and 4 points in those losses. So when you don't have him doing that either, the Js are fine for their fucking life. Also, I looked at how many more threes we're shooting in the playoffs versus the regular season. We're shooting like six more threes. And I just, we're like leading the playoffs

in three-point attempts. Yeah. I also want to remind y'all when we did the guest, the NBA team, how bad the three-point percentage where the Celtics are, when you're shooting a lot of threes with not a lot of great three-point shooters, you are more prone to having those bad shooting nights.

And I think we're seeing that right now. Yeah. And they do that in part because they're going to be able to withstand the lack of percentages being great of the three-point shooters, by volume and because they dominate the boards and they dominate the turnover game and they get more possessions by you

so in the long run they're going to have a more efficient points for possession because of three point volume and more possession opportunities because they get the offensive rebounds if that isn't all, if all three of those things don't come together in the right formula,

should get spooky like you're seeing. And I think the thing I learned about the Celtics is because of everything I just mentioned because they are amazing at offensive rebounds which is because their wings and their guards are really good at crashing the boards and boxing out and being very disciplined and because of they've done

dubbed all the stuff we talked about with the three-point stuff to keep their offensive flow and the efficiency on offense leads to their defense not being in compromising positions. So it's led to an elite defense despite the flaws of the roster. We told ourselves that the concerns we had preseason about the big men group didn't matter anymore, that they found a way to be good despite losing KP, Al-Horford, and everybody having the Mias Kada and Luca Garza for the season and Navucovich. We told ourselves that doesn't matter. I have learned it does matter a lot. And I now am concerned about the fact that is their big man group

good enough to win a championship. When they have Joel and Beat on the court, there's nobody that can deal with him at all. And to be fair, he's Joelle and Beardine. He's fucking gigantic. He's incredibly hard to deal with one of the greatest players of all time. So it's not exactly an insult

that Nemeas Keda and Voussavich can't hang with Juelan Beed. You're going to have to go through an elite big to win the finals. Whether it be Chad Holmgren Ness A Hardenstein, Wembe or Nicola Yokich, whoever comes out of the West, you're going to deal with some big men groups.

Or even big per over there in the Eastern Conference too. Legitimately. or if the Orlando Magic have a lot of size, they're showing that to be an issue with the Pistons. If the Pistons get out of that series, maybe Jalen Duren has a bounce back series against them because it is a little bit more no window Carter

to physically abuse him. Maybe he gets back to normal, whatever. To mentally abuse him. You're going to have to do with big men up and down the playoffs. And it looks like an issue. I don't really right now trust the Mias Keda and Vucevich in this playoff setting. I will say even historically, going back to even 2022,

the teams that have given us trouble have been the teams with these like Demi God players. Embed, Yonis, which is normal. Yeah, which is normal. But the teams I've always felt confident in are the teams that like,

they're built around fours, they're built around guards, and we just have that personnel. I think historically, if you look back, I think we're actually extremely lucky to not run into Embed more or Yonis more. Or, you know,

like I think in the finals, this is why I've said I'm more scared to run into Wembee and the Spurs. Yeah. I'm depressed. What one game does do a guy. Last week he was, I own Joel NB. He'll never fuck with us.

Now we're lucky to have not seen him. Well, I love the playoffs. Every game, the tune around NBA history changes. Hey, man. Game six, I'm back to talking my shit. I saw a tweet where someone said the NBA playoffs is so good because every single night, a different superstar dies on the cross. Essentially that whoever loses that night gets crucified,

no matter what, because every night someone is a fraud. someone shouldn't be here deserves to have their legacy rewritten. That truly is how the NBA playoffs are. And you guys are fine. They're not going to lose this series. They shouldn't. You're right. I agree. Because even

I'm just kidding. I think like the Sixers have shown really throughout the series and they won a game where the three-point shooting was like just even this last game, it's like 36% wasn't anything crazy. The game before they shot well, but they still lost.

But for them, The Sixers to get a good shooting game, it does feel like a lot has to go right. And so I do think that offensively, it's just taking a lot out of everybody. And we've seen the inconsistencies from VJACOM as a rookie, which makes sense. You know, like he's stepping it into this playoff series. And sometimes his three-point shot is falling. Sometimes it's not, even though that he can do a couple other things. I think you guys are okay.

Like they should win the series. I still feel extremely confident. that they're going to win the series. Now, if MB does come in and walk the Sixers down, it does become the chronic achievement of his career. Let's go. It does, like, that does happen. And the-

Yo, if the East, my bad, if the Celtics lose the series, who the fuck is winning the East? The Knicks. Amen. I guess so. I mean, there's a lot of fries out there right now. Yeah.

Do you feel good about any team in the Eastern Conference right now? Does anybody feel like they're taking hold? I mean, the Celtics are probably still going to win the series. I'm not overreacting them. So I'm still going to say they're going to win. But like entertain the scenario in which they falled somehow and blow through one lead. Is there any team you feel great about right now in these? There's literally none.

It depends how game six goes with the Knicks. Where like if game six is also a pretty dominant game and they take control, then you can look at games two and three and be like, okay. You know, that was kind of just a weird blip. And we can move on and then they become the favorites that have like a stringer hold on the, on the conference. Okay. I really wanted, I wanted stuff to get real spooky last night,

and I wanted Toronto to win. I was actively rooting for them, and then everything just went against them. But- Let's go to that series. Let's talk about that. Cool. Because it would have been super fun.

And I, I feel like, and I actually don't know 100% where you stand on this, but I feel like I've given DeMitch a little bit more credit and grace than you have. Yeah, I've given them zero.

I think I'm starting to get there. Yeah. Because for Brandon Ingram to not be there, for Scotty Barnes to get hurt, for all the injuries that happened in Toronto, even when those guys are there, for the three, for the three point shooting and the offense to be what it is for Toronto. And for the Cavs still to be in this kind of dog fight every single night, it is very, very disappointed to look up and see what they're doing. And then you look at what DeMitch is doing. And it's like, sometimes it's fine, but then I feel like we're at the point where it's like, hey, man, it's not, this is not what we signed up for. And he's another guy where he has the playoff riser, the playoff rise attacks.

We have not seen, oh, I'm getting 50 in the bubble. I'm getting 37 at, you know, at my, at whatever time I want to. And there's been, like he had a sequence last night where he's throwing the he's throwing the ball away. People are attacking him at the, at the rim. Like the defense and the defensive playmaking, that's not, that's not there either. I'm not 100% sure what the Demit's experiment is giving me

on a night-to-night basis right now. And I am very concerned. Yeah, I think the NBA is very different today than it was in 2020, 2021 when he was getting that playoff riser going crazy in the bubble. Defenses today are so much more complex and are so much more based around getting the ball out of your superstar's hand. and making your role players beat you. In 2021, teams were running like a vanilla drop coverage

and Donald Mitchell can come off, picking roles, Rudy Gobert, and hit threes all day and kind of like dominated the game in that way. It was like a part of the defensive development where it was like limit to threes that your role players, don't let the math come to beat us and stuff like that. It's like you can't exaggerate

just how different defensive game planning is today than it was five years ago. And I think he's the archetype of player that's one of the biggest victims of that. That, like I said, he's amazing as shooting threes over drop coverage. His ability to shoot out the dribble. If you come up and you play a hard defensive coverage,

you can slash off that and get to the rim. He's the poster boy for 2020 basketball. Where was that? It was abusing drop coverage or abusing hard hedges and getting to the rim with your guards in that very rigid way. He's kind of like James Harden that way. That's what made Jay's Harden so special, is that that equation, you couldn't deal with him.

Nowadays, defenses are perfectly okay with double teaming you, not letting you get to either of those options and making you pass the ball, make others beat you, find a way to find value off the ball, make good decisions in the mid-range, be versatile, getting to your shots to the mid-term.

mid-range specifically, that's why Shea thrives today. That's why Yokic thrives whenever he can get to those difficult shots in the Florida range area. That archetype of guard in which the cabs have two of them, the exact same guys, get threes off the dribble, off a pick and roll, or slash off of that. Very hard to win with that today. You need to be a lot more versatile in your approach. I feel like that's, I don't know.

I understand where that sentiment comes from, and that could very well be true. But I feel like that's almost been true for, like, the entire, like, 2020s of Donovan Mitchell's career, you know, like he's had no one talks about it because no one cares because just Donovan Mitchell who's like a routine top 15ish player. He's in that middle ground. Yeah, no one overholds him to like ultra high standards. He's just like a cool little part to add to the story. It's my favorite thing that you do by the way. Yeah, he's just him. He's just him. Yeah. He's so good. It's not enough to get respect. I know exactly what you mean. It's an important part that you talk about that. It's just, yeah. It's an important part. I

I don't know who else exists in this realm as him, but he's great enough to get respect as a superstar, but not great enough to get the standards of one of the greatest of all time. Yeah, you delete him from NBA history and... All right. Come down. Calm down. Yeah, but point is, point is what I'm saying.

I don't know, I don't necessarily... This story moves on without you, right? I don't necessarily agree with that that's been 100% because I feel like that's always been there no matter what. Donovan Mitchell has been Donald and Mitchell, and he's been seeing these types of coverages. The entirety of his career, has a lot of the most embarrassing playoff exits routinely blew a three-run lead to Luca, I believe,

back in the playoffs. He had some embarrassing moments against the Clippers as well. There's so much there that, like, I still see to this day. And it just leads me to believe, like, yeah, he's just not good enough. And he doesn't have, like, the strongest power. He doesn't control as much or see over the top of defenders as much as he should. I think that's just, like, a fundamental flaw and not necessarily, like, defenses obviously have evolved. But, like, him and his inherent importance of the game of basketball for his team offensively and how they're not able to really like aid or assist him, meaning like there's no one better than so he can't defer as much. And when he did, you saw the cats with 60 games. They were

unfucking beatable. And when it's not like that, it's like, there's not much to it. Exactly. So what you're saying is he's always had these flaws. It's not brand new. And I agree. I 100% agree. It's been a three to four year problem. I think just it's starting to catch up to the people starting to realize this. And pointing out last year being the difference is a great distinction to me, at least in a regular season. They were so good because they played a lot of the touches through Darius Garland. And through that style of play and Kenny Atkins' offense, not just Garland.

They did a great job with the movement they created with the Biggs in the deep dunker spot and the gravity that came from that, kicking the ball down to them. They had a lot of intricate parts that we've talked about in the past that created open shots for others with, like I said, Darius Garland touches and the offense itself. DeMitch fit into that and did D. Mitch basketball in that because he was a very good off-all player that also got those open threes for himself, also got bench lineups where he could do his more pick and roll stuff. But

he wasn't the end-all be-all for the playmaking. Now it's him and Hardin, who both have the same flaw, and you're starting to see it more that this team construction, teams got up to what Katie Atkins was doing last year. Garland isn't there to have the more dynamic playmaking style. It's back to the rigid pick-and-roll, drop coverage beaters like

James Hardin and Donovan Mitchell. It's just like the perfect team construction now and the perfect defense on the other side. That's done an amazing job as the series has gone on, switching everything, abusing them on the perimeter, being very physical and not letting them get any easy touches to really make those floss shine. Yeah.

What's really saving them also, too, is like, bro, they have depth this year. They have, like, so many options and opportunities to go to so many different guys, whether it be Janet Tyson given the 15 minutes. Dennis Schrooter, basically like literally, it feels like Dennis Schroeder saved it their season last night. He for sure did.

Yeah, like they have depth, which is the only thing saving them compared to years past. It's also saving them that, that the Raptors just have nobody. Yeah, we're focusing on their dad. Like, bro,

Jamal Shedd is out here taking, taking mad three is a game. Every time it's a six point game, a seven point game, and you need a three to keep you in the game. Jamal Shed is in the corner. Taking that,

he's the one taking that three. And that's a problem. And so it's like, unless he is, unless he is laying out like a, like a cornerback, forcing an eight second violation and really providing just insane value

on the defensive end. Offensively, they haven't been able to, do anything and then now we talked about their offense all year long when you don't have brandon ingram who was having a bad series you know prior to that and even last night was like oh for two before he left that's that's that's really really hard and then we've talked about your man's hurdle and how he's not my man stop putting that in no no it's your man that's disgusting that's got to be your man no one believes that no we all believe that until the end of the season at least for the

2025 2026 season he is your man never heard that you never heard that you know that come out of my mouth. He can stop being... Everything, it was recorded and taped what I say. I did not say that. Not once. You did, actually.

Until the next ranking season comes around, when we do our centers rankings at the end of July, August, whatever, then he can stop being your man's, how you adjust to that. But for now, that's your guy. Speaking, you're delusion. But yeah, I just think, like, the officer talent.

If Aidan's my guy, Jako Pertil is your guy. Listen, Aet's your home. He's your homie. Ayn's been who. I said he's my guy, didn't I? What were you saying, Donnelly?

Anyways. Yeah, the offensive talent for Toronto is just, it's so desolate that you look, even if the Cavs get out of the series, the fact that it is going to six games and the fact that you were up, you were up to O and now we're in a position where it is going to go six, wildly unsurious. And I feel, I feel worse about you, even though that you are winning this series than I did to like last week y'all should have swept them yeah

this this should not have been a series five game maximum if you want to say okay we're going to go back to Toronto and get the one game fine that's cool it should not be in this position and if it goes seven I wouldn't be shocked I would be shocked if Toronto ends up winning this series because ultimately it's like all right like you do have the talent but it should

it should not be here and I and so yeah I I'd learn that even in a and I kind of jokingly said it last week when we were talking about the magic, I think I doubled that and I did learn. Like, I really, really do not rock with the, with the cabs. And if we do go to a second round

where it is them in Orlando, I probably will index whatever it is on the magic and take them over Cleveland. Yeah, the Cavs just, they just float. So many plays and so many quarters and extended periods, they're just so unphysically imposing at times.

And they're just there, just not setting the tone physically not like you don't feel the fact they're double bigs a lot of these times a lot of times they're just two guys out there also I saw it did you guys know Jared Allen's list at 6-9 really Jared Allen's 6-9 he just has the big hair you're right

and he's a super long wingspan Jared Allen is 6-9 I thought he was like 6-11 that's crazy I've always thought yeah I've always I said it was 7 flat because he got that big ass hair which is smaller now yeah he's 6-9 that's good marketing makes sense

he plays like it now Yeah, so now it's just adding me up. It's all making sense to me. But yeah. So y'all don't feel good about this win at all. No, this is the one of the worst ones I've ever seen. In our group chat in the first half, I said, we need to abolish the Cavaliers. And it ended up winning because the second half the Raptors

often completely fell apart. They couldn't score. They couldn't handle the ball. The Cavs locked in a little bit and the Raptors shooting fell apart in that second half. Don't feel good about it. Like Donovan said, this should have been a five-game series at most. They should have handily dealt with the Raptors.

And I respect the Raptors so much. What I've learned about the Raptors in the series is Darko's a great coach and Scotty Barnes is that guy. He had a rough offensive second half of the season, but he has been the best player in the series by fucking far.

His ability to be physical, which is a through line I've learned about the playoffs in general is that physicality matters so unbelievably much in the NBA playoffs these days with how the game is allowed to get more physical

when the playoffs come around. Being big and strong is at a premium right now. And maybe that's just like a small sample of the teams that are here right now and the matchups that way they fell, but across the playoff series you're seeing

being able to set the tone physically and have advantages in that way when things bogged down. And like I said, the defensive coverages have gotten so good and not letting stars dictate things. Making sure the guys that do dictate things, everybody else,

all the starters, one through five, making sure they can be physical and allow things that when they bog down, they can just be bigger than you on the boards and make things happen is so important. And Scottie Barnes does that. Yeah, I agree.

So I'm going to double down on that. And I'm going to say easily throughout the entirety of this year, somebody disgusting that I did was consistently under race scotty barns and then i think i saw pierre teared out that scottie he's he tweeted out something vague talking about how scotty barns is the most underrated player in the entire NBA and or he's the most underrated player in the NBA and he was talking about scotty barns and there's something that i said consistently throughout this year i said yo i love scotty jaylon johnson has him jane johnson is a pretty supreme player he's more

consistent offensively obviously now things have changed physicality is like the catalyst of this conversation and seeing how Scottie Barnes is able to affect the game in multitude of ways. So far this so far this playoffs series, he's averaging 24, 5, and 8 playing insane amount of defense. And like also turning things around when it comes to his shot, he easily is like next year, hope if things change when it comes to this team offensively and if they get healthy and also their stuff, I think Scotty Barnes will be like a top 20 certified player in the league. and he's easily like the most disrespected star that I've, that I, he's the, he's the, the star I disparate the most this season, 100%.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's, I think, I think that's, that has been, been proven. I'm a way to, too, star, but he is like, he is, he is amazing. Yeah. And he, he is really, really good. I think, the propaganda is thriving. I think you do the, all, all the stuff that he's done this series between his,

his playmaking and his passing, which for a team that really doesn't have a lot of guys, him being able to set up other people is so integral to everything that they do. And so I do think that he has a leg up over a lot of the other fours in the league with his playmaking because he is one of the most swole players in the NBA. Like he's definitely gone.

to a level where you feel good about him, you feel good about C&B. Anybody really on that team that can bench first, like 225, about 25 times, you feel good about. Yeah. Yeah, no one that I really learned about both these teams is I don't feel good about either their roster construction. And this summer, I want to see them both completely shake things up.

Yeah. I don't know what it looks like for the Cavs. We'll see. It probably involves Jared Al-in going because you just straight and Hardin. Get rid of a young All-Star form. You're going to keep Hardin for at least another year. Unless things really go sideways for the rest of the series, then maybe not.

but assuming they win the series, you're not going to get rid of Hardin. You're not going to get rid of Mobley. You're not getting rid of demission unless you blow everything up and he wants to go. So I guess it involves trading Jared Allen doing whatever else you can on the margins. I would like to see this team look dramatically different next season.

I want Kenny Ackinson to re-event himself again. Yeah, I mean, they absolutely have to. You have to keep hard and you have to keep that investment alive again. I feel like the discussion of trading Mobley shouldn't be a conversation at all unless, like, you want to entertain the honest thing. but he has so much money tied to him and if it's not that then he's not going nowhere and also i wouldn't because they just traded for james hardin i also wouldn't double down on and having our trading both of our franchise players for a guy that trading 26 year old deris garland yeah 36 year old jordan

and then five months later trading 20-something year old ever mowgli for 31 year old janus coming off of off of capturing's making yourself that much older that that would be dumb on the And also like the idea of a Hardin's nucleus at this point of Hardin's career does not move me. That does not feel like a Synerjeg duo that I'm like, whoa, they're ready to take down the east now. I wouldn't, I wouldn't imagine that becomes an instant favorite or anything. Let's go ahead, send D. Mitch to Toronto. Ascend either D Mitch or KD. Send either one of them to Toronto.

Okay. Also, we talked about before the series that this would be the series that finally decides the Scotty Barnes v. Mobley debate and we stopped talking about it. I have learned that Scotty Barnes has crushed that debate that he does have the chain of the best player. of the best power forward in that draft. Oh yeah, 100%. I've been on it. Last episode I said, yeah, this shit is over.

I'm never talking about it. Yep. I lie it. I'm talking about it again. It's over. Let's talk about the TD3 Bowl. Nicks versus Hawks. The Knicks come out.

Deliver belt to ass. Again, two games in a row now. Belt has been given out. They lead the series three to two. I think the next game is tonight, actually. So you're on the precipice of seeing your team eliminated. What have you learned about both these teams via the last two games of belt to ass that the Knicks have given?

I'll let you go first. I'll start off with the Knicks first. I learned that Y'all Karantanth in New Towns is truly a special player. And he can be one of like the biggest catalysts as to why the Knicks have the ability to make a playoff run. Seeing how they just got off and skirt it off on the Hawks skirt off on like two wins just by specific one point is absolutely hilarious. And the second that Mike Brown took his head. out of his ass and just start involving Catmore. Now it's like not even really

a series and that unlocks so much so much less pressures on Jalen Brunson. I think last game they played he had like damn near 40 at like 30 and 39 points. There's so much that he does. And then also like O.G. Under Nobys like I think he is the best 3 and D player in the league, bro.

Earlier you said Paul George shooting 50% on 3.9% oh he's shooting 54% 55%. So it's like it's not even close when it comes to how special And how also physically imposing OG and an OB is. There's this one play specifically when it comes to the Hawks series where he literally was at the corner, corner left three. And he just like literally bullied and abused Daylon Johnson. And like physicality is like the biggest thing that the Hawks like suck at right now.

It's one of the many things. You know, like that's so on the other page of things, the Hawks and overall like how we got here. I learned that Dan Johnson he's a part of the franchise but he's not the face of the franchise he cannot and that's something that I kind of like

already somewhat new based off of his play style on how easy we get off his buckets but seeing how often he like kills his dribble when he's in half court and the pace to slow down and also like he just doesn't he's not like the most advanced or creative or skilled ball handler just like nukes everything

in his game and like we're like, we're a good team, but we're not like there yet in our trajectory. Yeah, he's not, he's not that guy yet. And it's not even like a major slight on him because this is the first time

like you trade trade midseason. This is, we are now operating in the Jalen Johnson era. This is the first playoff run that he's had where he has been the guy. And then your matchup is OJN and Nobie. That's a tough thing to go through and expect him to come out

and still be putting up. the numbers that he was in the regular season. So that's hard. But it is also like Nikaa Alexander Walker, the 10, 15 games that we have coming into the playoffs, we were like, yo, he's really out here. He's leveled up this combination of Nikao Alexander Walker and Jalen Johnson.

Oh my goodness, like they're here. There is levels to creation, especially when we talk about scoring and being that guy in the playoffs. We've seen that 100% in this series. And so they still do have a ways to go. And I saw you tweet out like, I've never thought that I would do this in my life, but I'm begging C.J. McCollum to step up and to save me. And he had six points in game.

I think what we learned. He's been doubled. This isn't something, it's hard. This isn't a series you learned anything for real. It's kind of confirmation of things we thought and it was in the air. The fact that they looked so good when C.J. McCollum was going superhero mode at in those games shows that this Hawks team is the most perfectly primed roster to get a star and be built to contend right away.

that if you had a player better than C.J. McCollum that did that superhero stuff on a consistent basis, if you lucked up in the draft letter and drafted AJ DeBonsa and he was who we think he is by year two or whatever, this team's ready. They're perfectly prime. Jalen Johnson is an amazing second option star. Nikil Alexander Walker, the ball handling boost he made, isn't ball handling boost to the point where he can be a lead guy? Awesome third guy. Dyson Daniels, great defender, good fifth option. The biggest litmus test that I can tell when it comes to that I have now is how people feel about Dyson Daniels and what he does offensively. for the Hawks, him not being able to shoot earlier in the year. I, of course, was talking, I was talking crazy because it was a massive disappointment.

So I'm shoot like 34% from three point line. Now, he threw like 9% at one point. Yeah. Last year, he shot like 34%. This past year's terror. It's been, it's been non-existent. And even though that's been the case, we're still a better offensive team with him on the floor, so because of how he sees the floor.

And he's also like probably the best passer on this team, if not the second best passer on this team. I hope so. Look, who else? he's competing with. Yeah. But it's impressive to see how he's like so wildly impactful. So regardless of the shot.

Yeah, he does something to shoot though. It is still an issue. It is. I understand all that. It is still a problem. If you have a guard that is a non-shooting threat in the playoffs setting against a good defense, both are true. That he has more value than the non-shooter typically would,

but the non-shooting does hurt. And I've seen the debate back and forth, and I understand the smart people are real smart about what Dyson and Daniels does well. It's not, it's not crazy to point out that the lack of shooting does hurt a lot of their half-court sets. And he gives that value back, of course. So he's not a bad player or anything. It's not like he's a liability to them.

He's the reason they lose his games. If they want to be a serious team going forward, he has to be a good shooter. Yeah, I agree. At the highest level, at least. I think he went to playoff series with him like this, but if they want to, like, get that star player and then contend two, three years from now

with him as part of that, he needs to be a good, decent shooter. They might be able to, I don't know. I feel like they might, well, it takes a level up from like absolutely everybody. Yeah, we're following that. Yeah, but you can, I feel like you can have one guy like that in your starting line.

Who can you remember in the past few years? that's had one guy that's a complete non-shooter liability playing 35 minutes a game. The worst guy is probably like Draymond Green. It's like one of the last. It's like that does need to count. Yeah, and Dyson, he didn't play 35 minutes, but like Caruso is one of those guys with like his playoff minutes did elevate. But in the playoffs, he shoots three, is that crazy for some reason?

He does. He needs to be Ludo at the minimum, I think. But I think, and that's fair, but I do think that with Dyson's, with his defense and with his defense, his playmaking his ability to get to the rim at certain points, attack certain mismatches. He's done a really good job attacking Jaylen Brunson, which obviously not not crazy hard. You might do a good job attacking Jailen Brunson. Maybe.

But like, that's, that's- You whip your ass, but you get a point. Do you think it's true? Yeah, you get a point, yes. If you guys play to 21, he would beat the shit out. You never touch the ball, is the reality? Yeah, let's just say like he's, I get ball first because he's like, all right. Okay, ball first, you're not going to score right away.

Let's see. If you had... Well, that's the thing. I have to score right now. Yeah, you're not going to score. Never mind, you're going to get whipped because you're not going to score right away. You're going to be shook a little bit.

If my first shot goes in, then it becomes of like how many shots in a row can I make? Because once he gets the ball back, like, I'm fried. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, no matter. You're going to be fried regardless. This is a tough way. I have to do several leaps.

I have to do several leaps of unrealisticness. If we, okay. I get five dribbles, he gets three. If we simulate and I get, and I get ball friends. No, he might have to have two. three is a lot He can do damage He can have zero dribbles by the way

And just shoot over you every time Yeah So like the opposite side Is in the conversation He can play with his left hand He's gonna fry you Play with his right Right right right right

Yeah Right hand He played with his opposite hand With no dribbles And he'd fry you Yeah But if you guys simulated it A thousand times

One on one And we put you up against like Nikkel Alexander Walker You'd never score Like that a single time Jim Brunson In a thousand times You might score 80 times

You might get a good amount of buckets off 80's a lot But a thousand, I said a thousand times. Small portion. I'll take it. I'm saying you'll score 8% of the time. I will take that.

Yeah. You take it. It's not bad. And he'll score a thousand times. Of course. I think for on the Knicks side, this is more for like discourse. I learned that I was right to be patient and that everybody just needs to shut the hell up about, about Jalen Brunson. Because I do think, and it obviously it is the nature of the playoffs, but.

After games, you know, two, three, and four, the numbers weren't 100% what they were. And now everyone's like, oh, Becky Hemming was right. Should we, should the Knicks be thinking, you know, long term? Should they start, you know, selling high? I was hearing that. Obviously, we were having those conversations before the playoffs. But even then, I saw some, like, some Nick fan accounts that were already like, man, maybe this is the end. Maybe we should start doing this.

Just doom and boom. You're so foul for that. I'm still on that, though. No, and like, obviously you should be because you're a Celtics fan. No, you shouldn't. No, I think I'm tired of that. Because if you ever remember, the Becky Hammond take,

the context of it was winning a championship, not just being a contender. It was winning a championship around a small guard. And outside of Curry. Yeah, I don't think that conversation has changed a single bit either direction in this playoff series, which I guess does prove credence to the fact that you shouldn't overreact. Maybe is the wording I'd use there to make you right,

that you shouldn't overreact to this series saying because of Cesar McCollum walked him down, You can't win with Jalen Brunson. But I do think if someone like you thought that and you think that this Knicks team can't win and that you think the difference between Jalen Brunson and A Shea or whatever would be the difference in a championship,

that's probably so true. Which is an unfair bar because Shea's like currently playing one of the greatest players of all time. So that's not saying much. But yeah, I think both sides can feel the same way they felt coming into the series. Yeah. And the Brunson stuff is just like

if everybody should hope and pray that Jalen Brunson is just a Knick for life. and we should just like yo ride or die I'm gonna go down with the shit for Jalen Brunson I think that anybody that like overreacts to two games and as soon like if he has

a we get to the second round and he is a bad game against against the Celtics then or the Sixers and if he has a bad game and I was like oh man like what what do you think his value is that's dumb and that's very short-sighted and you should not you should not do that and those conversations

have been pissing me off for the last couple days one thing I will say that like is very worrisome for me when it comes to the Knicks is seeing how unimpactful McHall Bridges is offensively. Brody average in seven points soon like 26% from the three point line. It's a lot. Can I can I boy math it up for you? Yes. I would love you too. Okay. The Knicks. I need you too. The Knicks traded five first round picks, RJ Barrett and Emmanuel quickly for OJ and Inobie and McKell Bridges. Does that make it better? Not really. Really? Really because OG right now is worth OG right now is worth three.

He's worth two. Two or three. So if you say that you paid like two first-on picks and then you overpaid the third and you still got RJ and quickly, you didn't have to pay the quickly contract. You didn't have to pay RJ. Hey man, give me RJ over, Backel.

It's not fair. I don't know. Those first-on drafts have you got more. Right now with this team construction, would you rather RJ than McHale? I would still say no. Just for the sake of defense, yeah, I'll be going to take McHale.

But so much has. to be made up for like so much has to be made up lockdown defender of Kilgreeges I guess I mean he's been good defensive in this yeah yeah he's a part of reason he's a big part of reason why like McKeill Alexander Walker ain't odd shit bro but there has to be there's so much like

ground why is it this is funny because whenever someone's like really shitty offensively we got to talk around him like he's a sarr like all of a sudden the defense is best in the world and we're like oh but the defense I don't know if it makes up for right now he needs to play better offensively no he absolutely does and I think He sounds Derek White.

Is that a fair assessment? Sure. Maybe. It's a different circumstance, I think, but I guess. You sell yourself on the little things mattering. I would rather have Mikhail because this next team doesn't need a fifth option that's going to dribble the ball a lot. They don't need another guy that's better with the ball in his hands.

So they have no need for RJ. Which is part, realistically, that's part of why Mikhail is struggling because there's so many touches to go around that, like, it's kind of a sense of a reason you'll have a shooting slump and all of a sudden you look terrible. Yeah, and it's stuff because OG has, has leveled up. Like OG's,

OG's ability to play with the ball in his hands and him not just be a corner sitter is something where you see it from time to time. Like those, that play that you're talking about where he's in the corner, he's able to get his game off and really bully Jalen Johnson,

that's something where like last year, two years ago, or I guess not two years ago, but like last year, that's a play where that's going to be McKell's, uh, Mikel's opportunity to run a pick and roll

and him to, to weave around and get a mid-range shot. Like those, those opportunities are a little bit different. But I think that for the, for the Knicks, also, I am pretty impressed, though, at the, at the level at which they have been able to, to lock in. And we've seen this, we've seen this from, from time and time throughout the years. And even, even this season, their season was super, super up and down. And you have times when they were locked in, times where they weren't.

And Mike Brown's ability to really get the best out of Kat from a defensive standpoint is something that I do feel I do feel different about this team than I did last year where going into that subject series it was like, all right, let's hope and pray that something crazy happened and then something crazy happened. I think it's more on

and even footing going into series after series than it was last year. Yeah, makes sense. You think Carleton's needed like gentle parenting and Mike Brown brings that relative to Tom Thibodeau who was like, get your brick ass in the paint. And maybe Tom Tibodeau, as a defensive genius, couldn't understand the defensive ungenious of Kat

and couldn't meet him at his level. He was just like, be better and which is mean to him. And that doesn't resonate with Kat. Whereas Mike Brown is like, you're good at this. Let's do more of that. It's positive affirmations. Yeah, that's what's what the cat needs.

May, Dave's just like, Tibbs very much is like, hey man, you're a grown man, figure it out. Exactly. Because he's going to, because he also gave him all the touches offensively. Where he was like, go cook. And I'm going to let you do your thing offensive. But you got to meet me on the other side.

You got to figure it out. And then Kat just couldn't do it. So it is that given take. He took seven shots in game in game five. It's not like he's chucking. It's not like he's taking 20 shots. And the fact that he still is super involved and using his his passing ability. And when his passing ability is on, it does the offense feels so much different.

Yeah. It normally does. Yeah, the lack of volume is why I'm curious to see how it looks next round. Like we opened this segment up and most of what he learned is Kat. is a special player, yada, yada. And I get what, you got to say that because he's doing you. Or he's been doing me for the last 12 years. No brace.

My main thing is I think the Hawks, the Hawks just have nobody that can contend with him at all. So like the efficiency is crazy. I'm very curious how the offense looks next round, depending on when they face with the better matchup there, with the bigger body that can deal with them. But we did just mention the Knicks also, I mean, the Celtics also have nobody that can deal with them.

So maybe it is another big cat series. I want to see that against a smarter team that can try a little harder to get less out of him. Tell Boof to be ready. I can Tell Tatea be ready He better line up at the five Man

Off an Achilles garden cat I think you do that I'll go lie I think he'll be all right We're here though We're here What Tater? Yeah

I think it's mandatory Yeah, you'll have to Yeah I don't think consistently I think Cato's game blown by and muscle like consistently Yeah they're gonna put Kada on heart And do that I think everybody does

And have Tatum on cat Which I think the Tatum on Cat bar will work I don't know if the Kada on heart dealing with the awful action part is going to go well, we will see. Yeah, I don't know. Very interesting. I love to musicator.

Let's leave it there. I love to musicator. Pistons versus Magic. What did we learn about this series so far? The Magic win 116 to 101 in this most recent game in which it was a, people were saying it's an instant vintage Dawkins game on YouTube where Pallibank Carroll and Kane Cunningham dual. Shout out to vintage Dawkins, man.

Shout to free Dawkins. Does he make video still? No, he got his whole. account had gotten taken out for a while. If he was, this would be an instant one. Palo Ban Carroll, 45 points versus Kate Cunningham, 45 points. Franz Wagner misses this game.

Jalen Duren, is Jalen Duren. So, Superstar, again, superstar, going band for band. Oh no, Uncle's still here. He's still going. Ongo is still going. Yeah, Free Dawkins still going. All right. Salute the Free Dawkins. Or a GD highlights guy. The wrong answer, by the way. Free Dawkins is the goat. Kek comes out on top

of this game. How do we feel about the series now. Do we feel like down 3-2, the Pistons have a chance of completing the 3-1 comeback? Yeah, I do. Also, I haven't learned anything in this series. I'm really just I'm just watching to see how this plays out. Really haven't learned anything, you're right, because Palo

had a great game, game one, fantastic game here in game five. In between that, shots and tour dates. So we learned that when Palo's hot, he's really hot, when he's down, he's really down, the up and down nature of Palo was still here. We learned that kid, Cunningham, is super overtaxed as a ball handler, going to turn the ball over a thousand times,

he's done that. And we've learned that his bad work is outlandish and he'll have the scoring games like this one where he can make up for it and some games

where he can't. And the ecosystem around him just crumbles and he's not good enough to hold the type of responsibility he's asked and they lose some games that they shouldn't lose.

We've really gotten the full experience. I guess the only thing I've learned personally is that Jayland Duren needs to improve a whole lot and he needs this trial by fire of getting completely embarrassed in the first round

and he has to get in the lab this summer and learn how to be less picking roll reliance. Needs to be able to do more things of the ball on his hands when he doesn't have a seismic match. I like this, though. I think this is just a part of team building and in the process.

I feel like even when we were talking about the Hawks, I think we're so easy to just, oh, let's just add a star. Sometimes you've got to put the guys through the fire, man. Yeah, I think the Hawks don't have anybody that's ready to stuff up like that. But I do agree with that Jayland-Daron probably, he needs this. Like, he made the leap this year. You can't forget where he was last year, where he was nowhere close to being in a conversation where anybody would care about him having a stinker because he was just a guy

offensively. So him being the guy that needs to get slapped up in a playoff series and get better for it, stands to reason. Bro, the shot making decides in with that Paula was playing last night. Paul was playing with last night was so fucking impressive. And I think that if he had more effort defensively and more effort when it comes to boxing out, really the entire team,

they probably sneak away with this wind. Like that final closing moment when Cade got that easy bucket over someone like, I think it was Desmond Bain. And there's a baby was like yelling and screaming for, I think, Paulo to come over here and like blitz his ass with me. And by that time, it was just too late. Cade caught him sleeping and he hit that easy snatchback fading two-pointer on him. And I think that the biggest thing that I learned specifically when it comes to,

I know magic is like, yeah, Paulo, his star warranty, it's re-extended for another year. He has another opportunity. The shot broke. It's extended. It's again, yeah, it's a game by game basis going back to what you said. Every star is like on the cross. Apple care. Yeah, I talked about every star, every night someone gets crucified or bigged up, you're like, yep, it's me.

Yeah, games like that, like I was watching it. I was like, he's trying his absolute best to rule me back in. And like, he always tries his best. I'll give him that. He really does. And for him to go out and shoot the way that he did and perform, like the pistons were in control of that game and then Palace starts making threes. And I was like, if he goes out and he's scoring 45, 48, point, and really, really snatches this game away to close out the series. That goes a long way for how you think about Palo. And it's nights like last night where you're just continuously going to be like, I know that, I know that that top 15 player, I know that that's in there somewhere. And you can try to convince yourself. I'm putting it on hold.

I'm putting it on suspension. I'm trying my absolute best not to fall back into it. But he played outstanding last night. He shot six for 11 from three. All his great games are when he shoots well from three. So what I want to see is him get in the 11th of summer and only shoot threes for three months. Because all the flaws about the pace he plays at,

about the reliance on mid-range jumpers when certain defensive coverage are thrown on him and yada, yada, all the things that we've talked about at length that he struggles with on all levels of the court, would all be mitigated if he was a consistent three-point shooter. And now shooting six for 11 is a tough act to require on a number. regular basis.

But I think that's not a coincidence that the games in which he can have the walk-up mid-range, I mean, my bad, the walk-up pull-up threes be this automatic and this much of a threat, completely different player. Yeah. In some ways, his superstar trial you mentioned is a, at this point of his development, is a three-point variance trial that when the threes are falling, superstar. When they're not, the whole process kind of falls apart. And on the other side for Kade, I, it's not something that I need to battle.

I like learned or anything like that, but it's just something that I want to see. I think when Kate is unloading the clip and he has 30, 30 shot attempts, 35 shot attempts, it is very fun because he is very good whenever that happens. If we just have a regular game and you have your regular, you know, 16, 17 shots as the league guy, can you also have a 12 for 17 game just as much as you have some 17 for 31 or some, you know, 20 for 31? Can you scale that down and really lock in? because the other games in this series have not been great when you're just getting a regular amount of shots. And now I do think that he's probably going to have to do it because nobody else on this team is coming to save him,

and he's going to have to have 25 shot attempts in game six, 30 shot attempts in game seven if they make it there. But that's the next step for him. If the magic closes out in game six, what's the takeaway for these teams? Because a lot, I forgot who I saw talking about this, but this is a very unique 1-8 upset if it happens insofar that the magic also look like shit that this isn't a 1-8 upset where the 8 seed just catches fire and is a Cinderella run

where you're like, wow, there's so much better than we expected and all these things, these takeaways that will lead you to big them up. And they're absolutely the magic. They're doing their job and they're proving why they're a tough matchup and why they're better than a normal 8-seed and all this stuff. They also can't score in any reliable way, you know? Bro, that game for a box score is so nasty. Yeah.

So like what do we take away from this if the Orlando Magic do win the series? Because everything we would have said about them, you look at the numbers, it matches. You take away what we said earlier with with the Raptors and with the Rockets. And I think you see people really, really, and with how OKC plays, you really, really start to see this physicality rise in the league. I think you've seen it a couple years with double bigs and people being like, okay, we're going to really, you know, crash the offensive glass. we're going to try and be bigger than you there. You saw last year what Indiana did with with their full court pressure. And like, we're just going to be in your face for 94 feet.

We're going to do that. And then now that you have the Rockets, the Pistons, get 60 wins in the regular season because they're just crazy physical teams. I think at that point you start looking around the league and everyone's like, okay, we just need goons. Like we need guys. We need guys who can bench 225, 30 times. And that is going to be a team building strategy because then once you get to the playoffs,

it's like if I can be more physical than you, if I can, if I can take you out of, out of your game, having that element is a very, very good equalizer along with having, having three point specialists, having a guy like that. Yeah. I think that becomes something that the entirely looks at and starts to say, we may not be more talented, but we can beat you up. And that starts to be something. Yeah.

I think the biggest thing that I learned, first of foremost, I don't think I learned too much about the Orlando Magic. Like they've, going back to what you're like, they are, everything that has been advertised. But about the Pistons, I learned that they're like several steps away from being like a legit championship favorite in the league. I think I saw or heard Bill Simmons say something along the lines of.

He feels like they're at this inflection point similar to what OKC was, I guess a couple of years ago. Yeah. In where like, you know, you have chat and he comes in and you roll into the number one seat, number one seat in the Western Conference, but you get picked apart because of size and also their stuff. And for the Detroit Pistons, I think it's a little bit different because you have incredibly important players on your roster who have incredibly painful woes and weaknesses in

their game. And I learned that something have to give. And I don't know what it is. It's uncomfortable to even think about it or talk about it because Jay and endurance here and you have to pay them still like a good, a good handsome amount of money. And Assar Thompson is there. he's like probably the best perimeter defender in the league he's one of the most hellacious and annoying players to deal with but you just cannot move forward team building wise with these two being nods you just to this degree i don't know what has to happen it's hard it's uncomfortable i don't know if they're gonna like have to it's not uncomfortable at all those guys can stay they have to develop like you said yeah they the okayc comparison is apt

they need their heart and son and caruso they got to bring guys around them that fit better which is what us and every other NBA fan demanded at the trade deadline they need to go find those guys that bring the picture together. Hardenstein came in and Caruso came in and filled all the gaps between their stars. The double big stuff, the rebounding that Hartenstein brought to hide some of Chet's woes, it made everybody better. Everything Caruso did instead of Giddy to give them another defensive disruptor, a reliance shooter in the playoffs, maybe not in the regular season, the guy that makes all the smart plays and all this stuff made everybody better. They need their version of that desperately. And obviously, like, it's been a huge talking point throughout the middle

of the season when it was the trade deadline and they didn't do that. And the only like available slots of positions to do that is like, okay, Tobias Harris, who's been like good this playoffs? Like this is not a bad Tobias Harris year that we're getting at all. But there's so much more that you want out of that. And also I guess you can look at the two spot in Duncan Robinson and that's like the obvious thing. But if they don't do that, then it's like, okay. You know, that's where you get to dare to take these conversations. For the magic, I've learned that back to the physicality point, the general.

the general selling point of the Franz Wagner Palo Baner-Carrot is having two big wings that are too big and physical for you contend with. Very few teams will have guys that are fast enough and strong enough

to defend both those guys at once and ideally in a playoff series you'll pretty much always have a matchup advantage of one of those two guys if they're both clicking and playing at a star level. I've learned that that is the right path if you can maximize those two together for everything we said right, that to having that physical

advantage, the floor of that and the ceiling of that if Palo can get to the top 15 player that everybody hopes he can become one day and Franz being an amazing physical sidekick like that, that is a good path to go down. What I've learned is I don't know what the surrounding pieces need to be, and I don't know who needs to be sacrificed and who needs to be sold high on to get around them and get the best version of that. Maybe it's as simple as a new coach coming in. Maybe you've got to bite the bullet and get value out of a Jalen Suggs or whatever

who you don't want to trade because he's so good and so important, but you got to bring good players in somehow. I don't know who needs to be moved, but I do think I've learned that that duo and what they bring physically, there's a world in which that can work really well. There's a world. How many worlds? I don't know. And how many? I don't know.

Yeah, like that if is such a big if. And it's tough when you already cash in it to get Desim Bain. So you only have so many more moves when you already did the all-in move. Maybe they're handcuffed to a world in which it's not going to go well with this current roster construction, which sucks because they have a lot of players

that ideally fit it, but clearly the sum of all the parts is in it for whatever reason. So I don't know how we get there. But I do understand the vision of Franz and Palo when there are specific size advantages they bring. They're going to run this back, man. And no, they probably should have with a new coach.

I don't know what else they should do. Yeah. Because I don't know. The idea of trading Suggs doesn't sound like it's what you need to do. It's not fun. Yeah, like you would think that he fits perfectly if Palo can take the leap and be the main on-ball creator, right? You just got Bain.

Anthony Black fits really well with the physicality. He brings in the guard position. Wendell Carter is over here fucking putting Jalen Dern in a casket. So, like, I don't want to move him. strength is all this brings additions to. I don't know who should go, but I know who's not here and there's not enough. You know who got to go.

Jerome Mosley. Ball man. Maybe a really smart coach. If they just hired Jordan Ott, maybe that would be enough to salvage it and make it feel better or whatever. I don't know. But I at least see the glimmer of hope in the way the NBA is moving. Yeah.

The piston, yeah, they need an regard. They're going into with like CJ McCollum or something. Also, if they had CJ McCollum right now, oh, it would change a lot. in this series. That's not enough for making me they wouldn't win the next one. Yeah. That's what I'm like either one of either Dern or Saur has to develop the caps of the Raptor.

My bad, okay. They'd be in the couple of fun. Theoretically, theoretically. The next great defense they play. Yeah. Yeah. Se. McColl would be enough for me to say the Pistons win the championship. Yeah. But yeah, he would get them pass a magic. Yeah. I just think that either Dern or Saur has to develop a jump shot. And I don't know like who's going to do it between the two.

Maybe Dern is like since he's there is probably going to have to be. It's going to have to be Dern. I see what the, I see what the brothers are on right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not necessarily a jump shot as far as like three-point shooting goes for Duren. Like he doesn't got to be a five-out spacer. But we saw a big part of his development this year and why he felt good about him was the on-ball mid-range game stuff.

And him having that face-up game. He did that a lot in the regular season. And the confidence there is completely falling apart. He needs to develop that and like being a scoring threat rather than just a jump shot, which is a jump shot from the mid-range specifically. But doing that and being able to get to the rim on ball, have a little bit more finesse and footwork and not just, I'm massive. Yeah. That's what it has to be.

Yeah. Like one of these guys. one of these guys have to like see something some size of belief from that aspect scoring one of those guys has to yeah whatever it looks like for them who knows yeah I don't even know what Nassar scoring leap looks like yeah he needs it or else you're forever

going to be like fundamentally flawed yeah pretty much okay next series where do we want to go who's look did we do the whole east who did we not do no we did Nick's Hawks Pistons Magic yes we did the whole east okay okay Nuggets versus Timberwolves up next

What did we learn about these two teams? Obviously, Anthony Edwards and Jamie Daniels. Not Jamie Daniels. Don't see the last game. The Nuggets Come Back, Respond. Don't get eliminated. Now it's 2-3. Nicole Yokic has his normal 30-point triple double.

Goes crazy. Timberwolves just don't have the juice without Anthony Edwards, as we expected. So like I feared last episode, this might result in the most unethical. 3-1 comeback. Actually, not unethical. It's not unethical for the Nuggets to come back. They play who's in front of them. the most unrespectable three one comeback of all time

in which we all feel like the nuggets deserve to have been eliminated in a just world where Anthony Edwards doesn't get hurt but we don't live in that world so if that's gonna be the case how do we learn from the series from this series kind of already knew it but like

I learned that the the wolf's window as currently constructed is over at the world really? I should I should start from the top what do you mean by that? I think that I think that windows

in the NBA, especially now, go super, super quickly. And the opportunities that you have in front of you are very, very important. I don't think that Julius Randall is the guy to help them get over the hump. And obviously, it is, it's so much pressure to put on him. And it is basically, it's unreasonable to be like, I'm going to need you to go out and score 55 tonight so that we can, so that we can win this game. And even with a 3-1 lead, they probably still do lose the series, which for them, I loki do want them to win just because you did go up 3-1 and everybody got hurt.

It's unfair that they have to deal with this. It's just unjust. Because they were punking them for four or for three straight games. That's why I'm wondering why you're leading with your anti-timberables long term because they were punking them. Because I think that this specific matchup. They're punkable? Yeah. Okay.

It's more about the Nuggets. Yeah. I saw I saw more with with McDaniels of like yellow week. He's a bad offender. He's a bad offender. I think I learned, well, this isn't learned. Just this is the response to what you're saying that I don't know if as long as they have Anthony Edwards, Jada McDaniels and Rudy Gobert and Chris Finch who I guess is just the world's best motivator to be physical. I don't know if their window's ever going to truly die with that core in place.

Now, how much longer Rudy Gobert has? I don't really know. He's not like on his last leg yet. You know, there's no reason to believe next year he's going to fall off or anything. the punking of them that they did despite the Nuggets being more talented offensively and you know,

Riddigo Bear did lock up Nicole Yokic isn't going to happen all the time. Aaron Gordon did get hurt which is a big deal and Payton Watson's hurt so not to say the Nuggets are at their best or anything

but even at their worst version of them, their diminished version we did think the Nuggets had so much more offensive talent to be able to deal with the Timberwolves. The fact of that didn't happen again, going back to the physicality thing,

I am inspired by this Timberwell's core and like more believing in them long term. Obviously, they got to figure out what the next version that is, with Dante Evincento not going to beat their next year. Probably not Randall next year. They have a lot of questions to figure out. But I left feeling encouraged by their physicality translating almost any time. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I feel like the, if anything, the Timberwolves, like, they deserve another chance. And they, when it comes to thinking about them as like real championship contenders, that thought process has even like broadened it

a little bit from me. Because I go into the series and Rudy O'Barre, he's always going to Rudy no bear things. One of the greatest defenders that we've seen in our lives. That's what he is. But from top down, this roster's like pretty deep. And I think what I learned is that they need to continue.

Yeah, the wolves. See, okay, that's why I disagree. I think, especially now that Dante tore his Achilles. Yeah. Mike Connolly's still out here going.

And so like you look at the, at the guard depth that they have. And like obviously they, the guy who's really like a tweeter. That's what Moe really means is getting Iyo, made them deep. Yeah, but like even, even like,

he's there. Mike Connolly is old as hell. Dante has no Achilles. Do you, Bone. Okay, we can't throw that in there. Bones Highland. Yeah. Is, is out here playing a very, very integral part to what they are, to what they are doing. Even when Dante was there, you still needed a good version of Bones Island to, to help push you, push you forward.

They have so many, so many needs at the guard position that I think that right now, I feel really weird about the wolves in there, in their future because not only is the guard room like depleted, you have the Julius Randall question. Your big rotation. Yes, Gobert is there. And I'm going to give him credit until he like completely falls off. But Nazareed is so inconsistent, especially once we get to playoff time and like him as a just being big

and not really like a big man defender in that way. I'm very curious and more skeptical about where the wolves are in their development. then I guess what the 3-1 standing that they had. Sure. You know, kind of suggest. I think what you're describing is just a reaction to the injuries. So I agree with you. That's not what I learned in the series.

It's the takeaway because it's unfortunate. They dealt with the Dante DiVitenzo injury, which will miss the whole year and the Anthony Edwards thing, which colors that. So you're not wrong at all. It's just not what I learned. No, no, I'm trying to focus what I learned when they were whole because now what I'm learning when they're injured doesn't fucking matter.

It's just annoying, unfortunate circumstance, you know? Yeah. So you're not wrong at all. It's just not the angle I was approaching with my takeaway from their season and their series. We all got to say this also, too. They got to do damn near whatever it takes to keep I-O this summer because obviously now the Dante DeVicentjo thing,

he's even more important than ever, but even before that, too. I forgot as a free agent. Yeah, unrestricted too, which is kind of scary. And I think, Toronto. Good God, I'll fucking hate that for... Really?

I would hate that for the Minnesota's rules. So game, you lost another guy for nothing. But, yeah, going back to it, I do really think, and I believe that the team is three things away from happening. Of course, like, you have to find a pivot away from Julius Randall. I don't know what that is. I don't know how many players are going to be available.

I don't know who fits perfectly, but there has to be some pivot. You also, of course, naturally need to see another leap from Anthony Edwards. And he can, like, shut down a lot of the, or answer a lot of the calls about the inconsistencies offensively and, like, level up as a player and maintain, I don't know, the top five status, even get, like, a smidge better. Like, we're looking at this Timberwell team a lot differently. superstars do and next year assuming like julius randall is not a part of this roster and they're able to find another pivot i feel a lot better about this team okay if he's not so much if he's not there

what's the pivot i don't know but we're talking a lot about there we're talking a lot about there's summer and future plans which i think we'll have plenty time to get to as far as this series go what do we learn about the nuggets in which they get punked for they go down 3-1 because they get physically punked the defense devolves to a level that even us as i'll speak for myself as someone who is skeptical of their defense, which maybe skeptical isn't the word. As someone who was paying attention and saw their defense was ass for half of a season and

just saw that's clearly an issue, I didn't expect them to be in the position to lose the Timberwolves in three one fashion in the first round. So what did we learn about them that made them so disappointing relative to what we still gave them credit for in the first round? What have we learned about that? I think I think their windows closed.

Yeah, you led with the Timberwell's nugget, little being closed. I felt like I was in fucking bizarre land on Freaky Friday when you were having the conversation about the Timberwolves that we should be having about the Nuggets. I don't know why we'd have been to 10 minutes to the Timberwolves future. What the fuck is the Nuggets window like right now? I mean, they're going to win this series and then they're going to win this series. We'll see if Aaron Gordon comes back to the next series.

Like as you go deeper, there is a better chance of them becoming a little bit whole, a little bit more whole. And obviously they've shown that over three years, the wolves are just a weird batch up for them. And so maybe you do go into a series against San Antonio. And Yolkich is like, all right, well, I couldn't, I couldn't really do anything against Gobert last series, but I've owned Wembe for the entire time that we played. And you do get a better version of that. If I asked you two weeks ago, who else Nicole Yokic owns?

You would have said Rudy Gober. I understand that. But also, he is, even if we say that like Shays the best player in the world, there is still a certain standard and a certain level of play that you expect from Yokic. For sure. And so I do think that up until going into going into a matchup with the, you know, the other with the other bigs. I am going to give Yokic the nod going into the series.

And like Gobert had to come out in the series and prove it and prove that he can stand with Yokic. It's the same thing with, with Wembe. We've seen you time and time again. You've done all of this amazing defensive stuff to everybody else in the league. Yokic has gotten his game off very, very perfectly. I would like to see that again. So do you, so you today feel good about good as relative, obviously, but you feel decent

or good, whatever phrasing you want to use about the Nuggett's chance to beat the spurs the next round? Yeah. I feel terrible. I think they're going to have their butts blasted, bro. I feel horrible. Okay, so I don't think they're going to get blasted. I'm still unsure. He's me personally, I don't see sodomization coming.

It's not me. Moses is in that a lot lately. I know. Look what I did to his brain. I don't. I thought of a new phrase. Blasted. I don't.

I don't know if I'm going to pick yet. Yeah, I don't know who I'm going to pick yet. But it's, it is much more. at this point in my mind, maybe 55, 45 spurs. But I do think that it is fairly close. I understand in some ways we shouldn't overreact to one series against one team and treat that like the Nuggets are for sure just like weak sauce against every team. So I understand that part that I shouldn't allow they're disappointing against the Timberwell's

matchup to color my perception against them against the Spurs matchup. They're pretty unrelated if I'm being objective, you know, two different teams, two different strengths and weaknesses. I'm going the other way, though. They got to prove to me their series. At this point with how good the spurs are playing and how I think it the weaknesses we've seen the Denver Nuggets against the Timberwolves perfectly translate to the spurs matchup in a playoff season, the playoff series like the physicality, their inability to stay in front of the ball

on physical drivers sounds like Stefan Castle, Harper and Fox. Yokic's ability to not necessarily have his greatest series against a one-on-one defender like Gobert. I know Wembe doesn't have the same girth to him that Rudy Gaubert does and that's a big deal against Nicole Yolkich's big ass. Wembe's a pretty goddamn good on-ball defender too. So a lot of the things that have worked

for the Timberwolves I can see working for the Spurs. So I've learned is that I'm no longer going to go into any playoff series for this playoff run and gives it never nuggets benefit for the doubt

that they kind of have to earn their respect back to me and the three-one come back against Ayotosumu and Julius Randall isn't enough for me to feel good about them. Like, bro,

they have the worst paid defense in the entire playoffs and also their paid defense was disgusting like 20, 30 games before the regular season ended. They would have, if they were to like make a real finals push and make the NBA finals and win it too, like they would be the worst defense that we've seen in a fucking long time, bro. That's how bad it is.

So even envisioning like a Dylan Harper, Stefan Castle and Deeran Fox who like they know how to do one thing, their biggest strength offensive is getting to that fucking rim, they would be absolutely fried, you know? They just don't have the defenders in play. There's just too many hurdles to jump over, you know? And Nicole Yokic is great, but he, no one is great enough. to sit down and allow like 50, 60 points being scored in the paint every single night. And also Aaron Gordon's body's falling apart. This is a multiple years in a row now where injuries are haunting him. I won't rely on him to be whole for four straight playoff rounds and single-handedly carry their defense.

So what I've learned is we can't give the defense credit to just lock in and figure it out. And the defense isn't going to figure it out. Their offense has to be clicking on all cylinders, which they have not been. So that formula, yes, they can still advance. We can look up and they're in the conference finals, even though we don't see it coming. It's super possible. but that's requiring them to flip that switch, like I said, and get back to being the best offense in the NBA,

and that's a hard thing to rely upon with what they've shown us. Yeah, and that's why I, like, when you said, oh, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, I agree. I think giving the Nuggets the benefit of the doubt and just blindly, you know, believing that they're going to turn it on against the Spurs. They make it out the series would be,

oh, yeah, they're going to go in. They're the more experienced team, right? Spurs are too young. Boom, they're going to beat them in six. I think that I'm with you. They do have to prove it, but I don't think that it's crazy to think that like maybe, maybe if they get their legs under them, especially after these next couple games, we can see a more competitive series than what they are putting on paper right now.

For sure. Yeah. So it should be better. Yeah, that's why I'm at with the nuggets right now. Yeah. It's a weird thing where like they've been bad in such a visceral way that you want to write them off, but you got to tell yourself that every playoff series is a new leaf. So, okay.

Also, I didn't have realized it was this bad. What? Jada McDaniels is shooting 7% from three in the series. Durham. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. What's he shooting in a Pinto?

I know. 100%. Yeah, exactly. That's the biggest difference. Last two series will fly through them because they're already over. They were bloodbaths, as expected. Suns versus Thunder. What did you learn about all teams?

Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. O. Casey's front. Like they're ready, they're ready to go ahead and crown themselves as a champion. Seems like Shay just keeps on getting better and better. All the role players are just better. better shooters now and there's no like real issues that I have with the same Jadob's not there when's he supposed to come back it's week to week they're gonna reevalued him probably after game

one of the second round I still I said this early and I still feel the exact same way I think having jada would be like amazing but I don't even think they need jadub to they definitely don't even get past the second round but even in like the western conference finals like he can be 100% healthy they probably even beat the spurs they need them they need them they need them yeah uh I yeah with the thunder it's just confirmation bias we did learn that Shea finally had a playoff series in the first round in which he eviscerates a bum he has been the past two years

a guy who just cannot score at his level against the worst teams in the NBA. He trolls. Didn't troll. He ended up averaging like 33 points on like 66% true shooting dominated the shit out of the spurs I mean at the Suns. He had one game in which people were like, oh man, those Jordan comparisons are back. He dropped an efficient ass, 43, was looking like the

clear cut best player in the world. A.J. Mitchell, the ball handling he's bringing makes a difference. Everything we thought we knew about the Thunder and how it would translate translated. Hey, one thing I will say is that earlier in the year, I saw A.J. Mitchell do a couple of things that were wildly interesting. He had a couple of efficient games when Jada was out, and

they really relied on him. That guy suit. I feel like out of all the players on this team who are like bound to be poached. AJ Mitchell's like damn near number one on top of my board, who was like, if he's gone, he's going to be an all-star. Yeah, that's Jalen Brunson. Yeah, I said it. I was laughed at. I'm just saying like bro he is so ridiculously special yep

next gentleman brunson is right in front of her eyes he's the guy ready to get that next obviously those guys becoming top 10 players is rare but that next guy to get a team and be the lead ball handler yeah he's right in front of us yeah he's he's an all-star waiting what the fuck we learn about the sons I don't know oh we learned that everybody is agreeing that the league has passed Evan Booker by as far as him being one of the

league players of league yeah listen man just sit down and enjoy living in Arizona collect your 70 million dollars a year can go ahead and keep on buying new old school cars You don't know there's a lot There's a lot of conversations That we were having all season

This regular season felt like Discourse-wise A lot of the public was on autopilot And like a lot of the stuff that we were talking about Noticing the second half of the season It wasn't getting talked about at length We've been talking all year like What the fuck is up with Devin Booker's

Two years in a row now he can't shoot threes I'm looking at him I'm looking at Austin Reeves And I'm not seeing a different player That like that would sound crazy two years ago This is Devin Booker thing Just like lost a step I don't know

Now the playoffs come around everyone's like, yep, he's cooked. The, it takes a minute. Yeah. It takes, the public was slow this year in a lot of things. 70 million? That's all he's thinking about.

Every time we talk about that. That's crazy. 70 million is ridiculous. I like Diffin Booker. Let's move on. Spurs versus Trailblazers. What did we learn in this bloodbath in which it probably would have been a sweep?

But when we booped his head, missed a game, came back, killed him. I learned that Actually, I didn't learn that He already is one of the most Just interesting Just personality Yeah, oh yeah, we learned

He's like the most likable star I don't know how long Yeah Oh, I'll lead then. Showblazers, I learned that the young core They put together with their high draft picks It's fucking tragic

That they are probably They're a good team Because they got the Denny move Which training for Denny was A stroke of genius You know, they hired Mike Schmitz Who was a big Denny guy In the draft process

Couldn't get him He came in and hired him and said let's trade for him. Stroke of genius. That's your best player. That's where the Convo wins. All the players are drafted high top 10? Yeah.

It's kind of a dog shit core. And in that game, in those two games, when Scoot went crazy, it came together. We said, whoa, if he's scoring like this, I see the vision. We got one, maybe. Fell back down to Earth, played like Scoot last two games.

Cleaning, worst offensive series. I've seen all playoffs. He was getting destroyed with or without Wemby. Shaden Sharp is just Sadden Sharp. Never made that leap. It was getting benched in the last couple of games. what glimmer of hope do we have for this young core outside of dendium? Bro, Scoot had two magnet ball games where he he shot five for ten from three and then five for nine from three.

Put up 21 and 31 in those games. The next two games after that, guess how many points you put up? Zero. Zero. After that again, put up five points. Yeah, this core is so bad. Klinging was terrible offensively. He needs to develop there, of course.

He shows promise, but it was absolutely terrible in this series. And Shaden Sharp is just Shaden Sharp. I saw someone call him Canadian Terrence Ross Which I was like fuck That kind of makes sense to me He's better He has a little mid-range touch And like he can't he still can be better

He's young But he hasn't made that leap yet That people have wanted to make for three years Where do we point to to Have Hope next season for this young court I'm actually really out on the Blazers right now I was never in I'm fair

I'm I'm really really nervous For the direction of this franchise as a whole Oh yeah and their owner's broke And let's remind everybody That's gonna be broke And that's gonna be what we do They're fucked

You're categorically fucked. I'm sorry Blazers fans. I think this is one of the worst positions to be in the NBA is when you have a young core, but you don't know out of that young core who the guy is. I think the Blazers are in that position. The Rockets are in that position. The Cavs have been in that position,

and that's why they're in where they're at. None of there's Garland or Emily really broke out. It's different, though. The Rockets is a good example of what you just said where like Shingoon is the best guy right now, but we feel like a men should and can be the guy. And they're kind of in that scenario you described. Yeah.

I don't think it's the Trailblazers. I think the trouble just know that they have Denny who's their guy and everybody else is just like confirmed not that guy. There's no question. It's like a little bit worse even that you're not in a spot where you're like hoping this guy can do this and this guy can do that. I think we know those guys won't do what we want from them, that they are supporting cast players.

I think even Denny, like he's a part of their future. But in terms of that 1A, the way the way the pisses know that K's their guy, I don't think that's. I think that's another thing. We're certain that Denny is their guy, but we're certain he'll never be a good enough guy for it to, be one of the best players in the world. But he's also not bad enough guy for them to just be a 12th or 13th seed, you know?

So they're forever going to be mid. Unless, you know, these new lottery rules come in and save them and they luck into a top two, top two pick in the NBA draft, which is very possible now. They're not going to say. Then that would like, hey, real conversation. And that would be the lottery things. They want to reward these teams that are doing things the right way and trying to win. They can also have a chance to get a top pick. So that's the point, right?

I can save them. which we'll see how that goes. I don't even think that's implemented next year. I think it'll be like a multi-year thing. Yeah. So I don't know what's next for them. What's next to them? Actually, I do know.

It's this. They're going to do this again next year and be the same type of team. Is this? It's Dame. Oh, I forgot about Dave. Never mind. Let's go.

Is Dame coming back? And you're going to have Damon Denny Hoops next year. You hope that Klingin, you know, takes that leap forward. And that's going to be your big three. And you are going to take whatever video assistant that you have, pay him. Minim wage. Pay him minimum wage and tell him to coach the team.

And you're going to hope that he's just the new air exposure. Like that's a higher B-Souls their head coach. Yeah. And they're going to pay you less than we do. That's the plan. And then we're going to fly back on Frontier, y'all. You're going to get poached. I hope you're ready to teach Daddy how to run a Spain, pick and roll.

That's so crazy, bro. Can you do that? Are you prepared? Yes. Are you prepared to do it for $70,000 a year? Or whatever the show? which the owner will give you. I better get that company card, man.

Oh, you're going to hell. You're getting your money back in three months. Yeah, there is no company card anymore. Yeah, that's tough. I'm good. I'm staying with y'all. I'm rocking with y'all. Yeah, so we learned that Tim Bulls are,

I'm a show, boys who are in a strange middle ground. And the Spurs are who we thought they were, and they beat the fuck out of a team that's no chance to beat them. Yeah. Weirdly enough, these playoffs have been, like, mad, unpredictable. But I think, like, so many things are regressing back to the

mean that has become predictable. Like, OKC, we went into these playoffs. It was OKC, San Antonio and Boston. I think out east, at least I would like to think, we still feel more comfortable about the Celtics compared to every other team outside of the Knicks. And then out West, OKC, San Antonio, everyone else. Yeah, everything that would predict to make a chance.

There's three real contenders. They're taking care of business, assuming the Celtics get it done, which I think they will. But maybe we shouldn't loop them in there. But we'll do it for the sake of this exercise. those three teams are taking care of business the middle class of the NBA while the unpredictable

yeah do we didn't say anything about him but it's like yo James Hardin's averaging like six to harder over the game yep the series that part I kind of give more to the Toronto defense yeah personally but it is James Hardin so like who's surprised damn man not me

no one could be surprised not me I mean that was one of the headlines when they did the trade we were like fuck you're all in playoff security push is James Hardin I mean I see it on paper but it's James Hardin I would have been great about

I don't see it on paper. The paper has the stats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I see the idea of not relying on Garland because of the health and part of being more reliable. Yeah. But you're aiming this to the playoffs. We've lived the last decade.

It's tough. I wonder what it is, though. Be consistently bad in the playoffs. I think it's a, well, in his prime, it was a conditioning thing that is tough to have that high usage for so long. I think what we're seeing now is, remember I mentioned the rigidness of his game and Donovan Mitchell's game and how it's the shooting over.

shooting over drop coverages and using that when they come up to attack like it's very I have like these two things I want to do as playoff series goes on that gets easier to deal with I think yeah but you don't have the sudden movement skills to get you buckets in different ways the more games go on the more they adjust I'm saying it's purely mental because it's not like it's not like every playoff game that he had past a certain point was just trash you know where like his like it was very consistent of when it is an elimination game, but, like, backs against the wall,

I have nothing for you. What I'm describing is mental too, though. The whole, like, teams, like, just, like, figuring that out and you got to give you something else. That's a hard thing to do when you're so rigid. Like, that is, that is, we are agreeing. That's the mental thing. Yeah.

Is it it, it's hard to pull out new things when you're so mechanical with the things you want to do. So, yeah, that's tough. Very tough. With that being said, that is one thing we've learned from every single playoff series before we want in TikTok time. It is time for producer corner.

Be so, Hit your song. What are we talking about today? Producer Corner. I still don't got my beat, man. But I got the gunshots. I got the bomb. Have you ever fired a bomb?

Have you ever fired a gun? I haven't. Did you ask me if he's fired a bomb? Have you? What the fuck? A bomb is crazy. Have you ever launched a ballistic missile? I don't even know where to get a bomb.

Same. Have you? He's begging for the drop. I can't respect that. You're not a real military. I can respect that. I guess I can just do it. I say that you are kinky.

I guess this is all I can do right now. No, that is your job. Yeah, that makes sense. Absolutely. All right. Our activity for today, we hinted at it a little bit earlier. Mo, we are putting you through the fire.

Can you guess these white celebrities? I'm going to go over 40, I swear to God I am. This is hilarious. Numbers of the boarders have been doing this with D. Mills lately because he also doesn't know celebrities. I guess he's like you and just lives on the internet. I thought it was like superpower or superpowers.

or superheroes. Oh, he didn't know Bruce Wayne was a popular one. They've been asking him to name celebrities. He doesn't know anybody. All right, let's do it. But yours are white only. Okay.

Interesting. How confident are you? Oh, none. Okay. How many are you? I don't feel bad for this at all. Around there. Okay.

Okay. All right, first one. I'm going to go for 12. Yeah, Timothy Shabbitt. Got it. Say it? Timothy Shalett. Say it again?

Shammett. Shammett? What's his last name? Timothy Shammitt. I don't know what this is. Shalett. Let's put those together. He's an onion.

Shalame. There you go. There you go. Timothy Shalett. You know any movies? Easy. Huh? Do you know any movies then or you just know who you?

I mean, as a Knicks fan. The only two movies that are obviously the most popular is Dune and then Marty Supreme. But other than that, I don't think of any movies that I've seen him in. Okay. I haven't known. Yeah, I haven't really watched any movies. If we didn't tell you was pronounced Shalamee just now, would you have been able to get there? No.

Shave it. Okay. So you get half credit. You knew the first name. All right. Next. What is she? Are you serious?

I've seen her, is she in Euphoria? Yes. Yeah, I don't know her name. Is that Sidney Sweetney? Yes. You do know her name. Okay. Okay, so sometimes I confuse her.

I'm being honest. I'm not acting brand new. Sometimes I confuse her with Sabrina Carpenter. Oh, okay. Yeah. They're like being in the same people. Two blondes. Two blondes.

Okay. That's where it ends. Okay. So I'm two for two right now. Okay, okay, cooking. Proof them wrong, man. I'm cooked. I don't know who this is, right.

I have no idea who this is. Actress. Famous. Yeah, but I don't know who this is, though. I'm cooked. I feel like I've seen her before somewhere. She played Barbie. Oh, her name is Margo Robbie or something like that.

Or something like that. He's three for three, by the way. I was unsure about her last name. It was like, you know. I was unsure about the last name, but yeah, okay, okay. You're familiar. I know your game. I'm being honest

What game Okay All right Who's four Oh I'm cooked I have no idea I'm cooked I always see him On the sidelines acting crazy

You can't And then you describe Why you do know this person I only see him on sidelines I never seen him in any movie I sort of got I don't know He's not a movie guy

He's a food no word Yeah He's a cook I don't know who this is He just noticed with me With the super cool sunglasses In this bikey blue on airways He's a mayor

A Flavortown Never heard of that You've never heard of Flavor Town The fuck is flavor town The shit that he's a mayor of That's what it is Does it like make good wings or he's just like He's a burger guy I think he's okay

He looks like You ever seen Dinah Drives and Dives? No Wow My childhood growing up is very like Singular bro Okay it's Guy Fierry Okay

Does that name ring a bell? No You've never heard a Guy Fierry His last name I've heard But I didn't know his first name was Guy First name was Guy That's kind of crazy All right, three for four, three for four.

Okay. Three for five. He's not going to know that one. Why would he know this one? Three for five. Who is this? Alex Cooper. It's Alex Cooper?

She's a podcast host. Call her daddy. Oh, that's her? Yeah. One of the biggest podcast host in the world. I thought her name was Alex Earl. Is that like someone who she worked with? That's a different one.

That's hilarious to say that. There's a viral thing about that. Yeah. My girl was telling me about that shit yesterday. I was like, oh. I thought they were you creeping, right? They're beefing. And there's a clip of, I think it was Dakota Johnson, got them too confused.

and she was like, are they friends? Is there beef? It's like, it's a running joke that people get them confused because of the same archetype of white woman that exists in media. Yeah, that's fair. Well, no, that's Cooper, not a roll.

Okay. Three for five. You gotta know this. Come on. You better know this. Come on, man. Why would you even put him here? This is Dr. Phil.

Okay, there you go. Okay. I mean, you know, so I don't know if we can act like you're above it. I don't know. I think Dr. Phil is much more famous than Guy Fierreux. Much more? Yes, in the black community,

100% Dr. is that's what got me that's what saved me was this four for six you're right guy here he's a white person thing for sure and like his shows on food network doctor phil's coming on like channel two or something is that like everyone got bro i had those channels you know dr oz dr oz yeah yeah yeah he makes like not the same content but linear he makes like help shit yeah calling tv show yeah content

fairs fair They're actually not much length at all, besides the fact that they're on TV. They're on one of the first channels. All right, next. Oh, no, this is Sabrina Carpenter. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, okay.

He knows the white woman. You're locked it. He knows all the white women. He's like four for fun at the white woman. I mean, you put the most obvious ones. Oh, no, they're obvious. Oh, he was in Euphoria, but I don't know his name. Okay.

You got that at least. Zero clue. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I'm not surprised you to know his name. But you know some Uforay. That counts. That counts.

That's a dumb. No. No shame for shit. Jacob Lordy. Next. I will not remember that. Oh, this is Justin Timberlake, right? Yes.

Yeah. I looked down while I was like, damn. You're getting big hitters. You're not, I'm kind of with Mo. Yeah, this kind of. We need to go deeper into the white celebrity back. Yeah, this kind of, it's obvious. Well, we've got to give you a mix.

No idea who this is. Is she even white? What do you think she is? She was mentioned on a podcast. Okay, we've talked about her so many times. Yeah. Oh, this is Alex Earl? Motherfug.

No. What is this? Come on, dive deep, stare at her. I don't know. You don't recognize that we've talked about her multiple times on house call. Yes. On house call. On house call.

She's been a big topic of discussion. You don't know? I actually don't know who this is. Okay, y'all should be embarrassed by this one. This is not someone's wife. She's not that well known, but the fact that we've talked about her on house calls so many times. I don't know. This is, I'm cooked.

It's Madison beer. It's just her boyfriend. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm cooking. I have no idea. This is. I feel like I'm cooked. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. We just, we're having this combo because we talked about Madison Beer

on House. Yeah, this is exactly what inspired this producer. Again, why is she famous? She's a pop singer and she's now dating Justin Herbert. Can you name three of her song? Fuck no. She's not like That's a part of the discussion with her. Do you know like how? She hasn't blown up for real for real. She's a middle ground pop star that's famous

because of her aesthetic and the fact that she like checks the box of a pop star, but her music never caught up to the quality of that. She's like Ken Carson. Ken Carson's way No, no, no, Ken Carson is a way more successful. What? She's Sofago. That's what she is.

I don't know. Okay. Trust me. In terms of the music, she's Ophago. Okay. Next. But Sofago's not dangerous. You have no idea who this is.

I don't even know who this is. What am I looking at my life? This Pauly? Close. Same show. Oh, he's from Jersey Shore? Mike. The situation, man.

Oh. I didn't know that one. The situation. He's Italian. I don't know. name? It's a middle ground. It's Mike.

It's Mike. Mike, the situation. Mike is, yeah. What a nickname? Did you guys watch Jersey Shore? Yeah, I did. Really? A little bit.

That's a TV you tapped into? Just a little bit that. Trick my ride. Trick my ride. It's trick my ride. But the song goes, Pint my ride. He had no cable except for

Ferry. He was watching fantasy factory. Yeah, I had no idea who this is, bro. I don't even know if she's like, I don't know. I have no idea what this is. This could be like... What do you think she is if you had a guess? I mean, she's obviously on TV.

The necklace is a big hint. It's hard to see from over here. It's a cross. Oh, it's a cross. Okay. Yeah, I have no idea. Donovan. You know.

I know who she is. I forget her name. Taylor, Frankie Paul. Okay. It's a Mormon wife. This is a viral show right now. It's really big called The Secret Life of Mormon Wives. She's a wild-ass white woman.

We get arrested. Really? He's crazy. They had to cancel her season because she was on the, she was supposed to be the battleman, but they had to cancel because she put hands on people. Yeah. She's the lady who was like throwing shit in her house and her like husband or exigent and like exposed that. Okay.

Yeah. I know that was her. It's like white Rashonrodd. It's kind of crazy. That's funny comparison. I've seen him so many times I don't know what's named over I'm cucked

he's like in my mind I'm always looking at him I'm just like yo he's been old for the entire his life he's never been young he's like the white Morgan Freedom for me that's not a back comparison

yeah that's not a back comparison he's a more acclaimed actor than Morgan Freeman but in terms of your whole life he's been old correct this first name start with a T yes the father of Chet

what it's the father of Chet that's true he's not joking yeah his son's name is chet really yeah okay yeah you know that yeah i don't know what's name though tom hanks uh yeah that's embarrassing that's a bad one that's a bad one you know who his son is you know who chet hanks is fuck no i thought we're talking about chet hanks i'll put you on you would love chad hanks well that's he handsome he's hilarious that's not what i mean oh never mind why would i love you He only

Is he hot? I only love fine shit I don't know Is he a comedian? Kind of Or is this? He's a personality He's an online jester

Okay, Tom Hanks No, Chad Hanks Tom Hanks No, he's Tom Hanks Oh yes, yes, yes Listen, I don't know his name Obviously I see his face

Time and time again But I don't know his name That's the Greek Goblin guy Okay, yeah, that's a green Gauvin guy Okay, yeah, that's a girlhood Okay, but I don't know his name I do know he's not from here. He sounds, he's something like UK or something like that.

He's from over there. Is he or is he American? I can't remember. No, he's not American. I've heard him. I've heard him. I haven't heard him. Let me see.

But he is not American. I think Wilm Defoe is American. Is he British? A lot of these actions be secretly British. Yeah. I know he's done British roles. I don't know what his natural way. Man, he was born in Wisconsin.

Yeah, he's American. Really? In Appleton, Wisconsin. Oh, wow. Yeah, I was like, he just lying. That's William Defoe. When I found out Damson Edress was British. Mm-hmm.

Now, he looks British. He doesn't look like he's from over here. To look British, what does that mean? Does that just mean look African? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Next.

I don't know his name at all, but his first name, Paul. No. He looks like a Paul. I just guessing. I know he's short as hell. And he kind of like wobbles like a big one, but I don't know. Okay. He did.

He did play the penguin in a Batman movie. That's funny you say that. He did? Yeah, in 1990s. Oh. It's Danny DeVito. Yeah, I heard of that name. Which is, what's his, because I just, he's just been like.

He's an actor. In the ethos. But, like, what's his, like, Crown Jewel? It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Oh, okay. Was he a modern family? No. He was not in a modern family.

No. He was in it's always sunny in Philadelphia. And he did the other actor. Like I said, he was in a Batman movie. I think is a Batman forever? One of the shitty 90s. Gotcha. All right.

Next. He shouldn't belong here. You know this is? Yeah, this is a black man. Why is he here? Why is logic here? Come on now. He's a slip up.

Come on now, man. He's going on tour. With a G.E.Z. Yes. He's back. Yo, that's bad. He's gone on tour. You couldn't fucking pay me to go to that tour.

Easy. Is somebody you ever invited me that tour? We're dumb being friends. Oh, my God. That's punishing. We're getting tickets as a group we're going to. As a group, we're going to go. You're taking a plus one.

You were a logic fan, right? Me? No. No, Donovan. Yeah. Okay. Back in, um. Did you have a lot of school lunch table debates about whether or not he can say it?

Were you defending him? No. You weren't defending him? Did he say it? Well, yeah, he does. He does? Wow. Are you on his side?

No. I'm not. So he should stop? Probably should have been. I don't know if he still says it that. I think he's doubled down on saying it lately. Like he's done a lot of interviews with his dad specifically. And he's like, see?

My dad's black. And then he says it with his dad in presence. All right, gentlemen, get into it. How do you feel about the topic of the one drop rule? Is he allowed to say? Like, what's the line?

I'm starting to think. You know, listen, this is our show. I'm not getting too comfortable here. Just the line. You think, you think, you think, Deuce can say it when he goes up.

Deuce Tatum. Is that the line? You're not going to give me. You're not going to give me. Because that's like, okay, Adonis. Yeah,

can Adonis? I think, because of a hair pattern, he could. I think he could. But Deuce. He's trying to find right now. He really is.

He really is. He's a real, what conversation is going to be had, bro, because this combo will contend you on. Let's keep in a fuck. Oh, it's been continued You pass it, actually

I'm sure Omar He said He's a problem, Yeah I was bringing more on Adonis I need to see how these kids age And that's it Oh shit

Damn, I only got like what For right You did good though You got the woman In a couple of men You knew who a lot of them were You just didn't know like the name You went perfect in the white woman

Except for Alex Cooper which is understandable okay Exa and Madison Beard too I didn't know Oh yeah Yeah You can see 40 different pictures

You knew the blonde white woman That's you Yeah they were like What does that mean That's me If that's your bag Like You try to act on notch a lot now

That's not my bag Yo throw out the whole again That's a That's Sabrina Yeah He was like, I've never seen her day on my life. I got, bro, I'm being honest.

I got, I got, obviously. Oh, Sidney's me. I do have a Sabrina Carpenter song on my playlist. A singular song. What's all? It's game. I couldn't tell you, I could tell you right now if I looked through my thing. Can you sing it?

Yeah. I'm trying to figure out the tune of it. Yeah, dig deep in the memory. Is it espresso? No. It's, I know the cover of the song is like a blue background. It's from her last album, short and sweet. but I don't remember the song actually

I haven't listened to it in a minute House Tour? I don't know what you're talking about That's not the last album Houseward not? No Yes, it is No, it's on the last album

It wasn't on short and soon It's okay Oh, you're right, I got that I got that was backwards Yeah, I got that was back first one. Go ahead, Sabrina for Sabrina. What's name of the last one again? Man's best friend.

Man's best friend, there you go. Come on! I'm shamelessous about this. Yeah, you're lying. like you. What do you think he's listening to? I bet he's in his headphones working out listening to bed cam.

Yeah, it probably is by bed cam. Okay, let me see. Imagine his house tour. That'd be hilarious. It probably is house tour. Play the numbers and what they probably fed him

in a playlist. It probably is house tour. We got to watch the music video day and day out. Come on, man. Come on. All right, here we go. I'm finally on the other.

There we go. They don't play. I'm not going to play. I'm not going to play. Why not, man. You move. Yeah, so I'll also show that this is his bag, though. Correct.

Don't smile. What? Don't smile. Oh, that's a little bit of a deep cut. An album cut. I got one. One of the emotional songs. See, he knows.

Salute. It's a bald-knowing pick. Yep, yep. I've heard in a minute, but. I don't listen to a stress. Oh, no, he hasn't heard it in a minute. No, I haven't. No, I haven't.

It was a deep cut. So I'm playing the car. Is it on like a sad playlist or is it on the main? On the main. Also, I put, I don't have like a specific playlist. I just throw everything there. I hate that so much. Sad playlist is so performative.

I actually, I don't, I don't like it. You can have an emotional playlist of songs? No, no, no, no, no. Specifically sad playlist. I do not like that. Really? Why? If you're feeling sad, I mean, that's not a performance.

That's the nature of music. You're doing too much. How? You're doing too much. How dare you find music relatable in a time of your life where you need to find relatable arts? So it's fine if you have it just slot it on like your big old playlist

but having specific sad one is worth it still. I will say I don't put sad music on my main playlist. I don't do that. I just feel like that's kind of crazy. I'm also not like a playlist person. Either mine. Like I've like I've done it sometimes but it's not like if I'm listening

to music a majority of time, I'll just like either look up a specific song that's like in my head at that time or I'll listen to like an artist and just like go to like an album and like listen to that. I just feel like creating a playlist like for being sad. I've just never got

on that way. I used to just like songs and that would be the playlist like my like songs. Yeah, I can't do that. Just listen albums. Okay. Well, that's it for producer corner. Well, with that being said, knows a little bit of white people, not a whole lot, but a couple, and we're on to TikTok time. Welcome to TikTok time. As usual, today we are going to begin this half of the show with a draft. We're going to do a style we did a couple weeks ago for the first time. On our randomizer,

not only do we have team logos, we have individual years. So we will draw a random team from a random year, and this time we are building NBA players with the usual categories, body, shooting, finishing, passing defense, Mo first, Donovan, second, me, third. Yeah. Okay. Let's do it. Go ahead. Spin it for the first time.

Which team are we starting with? Okay. 2018 Lakers. Mo, where do you want to go? 2018 Lakers. This is LeBron. Oh, LeBron's not here yet.

No. This is the year before he got there. You were giggling. You thought you had LeBron. There's B.I. in the guys. Yeah. There's Lanzo on him.

Lonson. Hey, Isaac Boggers on this team, by the way. 35. Stop saying his name. What is wrong with you? He's on the team. Stop. He's on the team.

Fuck. He's on the team. Okay. Okay. So this year, Alex Caruso's here. I think I'm going to probably want to take his defense. So give me Alex Crusoe defense. Okay.

Vanderblu is on this team. By the way, Donovan, if you want him. All right. Thomas Bryant. Thomas Ryan. Doug. Derek Williams is here too. Oh, I'm up next.

Give me Lonzo ball passing. Nice. Whoa, you're not up next. No, you're up next. Oh, shit. Dummy. You got the passing. And we're looking at the 17, 18 season.

Yes, 1718. Perfect, perfect. Just what I wanted. See, we got Kyle Kuzma here, got B.I. You shake the passing, man. There's not too many. There's a good amount of individual skills in here. Oh, my God.

Lowell Denghis still here. Holy shit. Yeah, it's not too bad. There's some good skills here. Lowe played in one game specifically. I want to take KCP shooting. Brooke Lopez is here. Andre Engerman is here.

Was Brooke shooting like that this? Yeah, I can't remember. No. You know, I'll take Lonson Passing. Yeah. I feel like we can get the other stuff. Okay. From better teams.

I'm going to build a massive human being. Give me Brooke Lopez body. Massive, big and slow. Okay. He wasn't too slow at that point. He still had it. He wasn't like his now. He's still moving.

Yeah, he was moving. Ah. Oh, no, man. Old man. Ah. Next. Come on. teams next

2002 cavaliers before LeBron again cooked two one of the odds are getting two teams

before LeBron shit man the dynasty starts after you that's crazy come on wow okay I'm first

this is a horrible team I'm get the 2010 heat next I mean this team got the one of all pick

so and I'm cooked I only know four players on this team. I actually don't think I've ever thought about the Cavs pre-Lebron.

Me either. Like in the in the in this era this is not fun. This is not fun. This is not fun. This is not cool. He said smush parkers here. Wow. Do I take? Also, Smush Parker is not there. He's not? No. Oh, I'm on the wrong year.

Yeah. It's 0102. Ricky Davis, sick man. year. Ricky Davis. Eighth and six man of the year voting. Wow. This is crazy.

Damn. Oh, wait. Never. I'm blessed. I'm so glad I'm first. Give me Andre Miller passing. Led the league

and assist this year. Hey. Yeah, this is not great. Dude, thank God they have one player with a great skill. Andre Miller, 16 points.

11 assists this year. Tank commander. That's a hell of a tank commander season, by the way. It's a hell of a tank. commander's season 16 and 11 that's like the most that's the best numbers of his career I think that we are gonna have to go I'm gonna have to go with your logic I'm gonna have to build a big

yeah big Z give me big Z body okay he's just big okay seven three though seven three with lonzo passing sure we're building yoke and you're building subonis the first one what's the least important not a bad player not a bad player to start with okay someone Who was Bimbo Coles? I thought that's a fake name, bro. He put 11 years in the NBA. It sounded like a slur. He played for the heat.

Four years of the Warriors. It was on the Cavs in 2002. His picture is in black and white, though. He played in the 90s in 2000s. Why is this picture in black and whites? Oh, my God. All right. Just make a pig.

Yeah, so I could pick Wesley person who shot 44% from three. You don't even know who that is. How many game porn attempts? Four. It feels like respectable. Okay. You know what?

You found a good shooter. That's actually a lot. Yeah. Good, good pool. In 2002? Okay. Person shooting. But I think I could do better.

I think the least important thing that I'm going to do is body give me Ricky Davis. He has some posters under his belt. Yeah, this is one who's young, though? I mean, at this point in time, how old was? It's like your three. He was 22, so he's mad young. Yeah, I don't know if he's developed yet. He's athletic.

I don't need him to do anything else. Okay. Jump and run fast. Sure. Next team. Six, six, I'm moving away. 2023 Mavericks. Finally.

Okay. I can go a lot of ways. I honestly can't lose here. Shooting, finishing, or passing. Probably is greatest drink right now at this time. Probably the best drink that I'll find. What did Luca shoot in 2023? He was a Luca.

You can pick a shooting. He's a great shooter. I can literally pick anything at this one at a time. This is crazy. Okay, so for 20203, go ahead and give me Luca, give me Luca passing. Give me Luca passing. Okay.

Yeah, I think I'll find better finishers and shooters. Interesting pick. So I can go one or two ways, maybe one or three ways. There's a few interesting names on this team that you can get some skills from. I'm between either Kyrie shooting or finishing or DFS defense. to pair with Big Z's body. DFS defense and Big Z's body. Okay.

You give him a little bit more mobility. He can do that. But I think Big Z being able to shoot like Kyrie is necessary to make Big Z go. Give me Kyrie shooting. Okay. Okay. On path to Bill and Yokic. Okay.

I'm not going to lie. I think I have a pool here. Give me Davis Bertan shooting. in Brooke Lopez's body. That's Bruce. The obvious Bertons is on this team. Flamethrower, okay. Flamethrower.

Only took three threes a game, not that much burned, but they played a lot of minutes. I'm sure his three point rate was through the roof. That's all he does, bro. Yeah, okay. I feel like the medal is always to pick a big man for body. Or a crazy athlete like small Ford.

Yeah. Doesn't even matter. 2017 magic. Come on, man. Bro, why are we getting these tragic ass teams? Oh, that's kind of nasty. Yo, this is kind of disgusting. That's what it is.

It was on that team. Aaron Gordon Amon Aaron and the guys This is right before Is that the Vos of the Chiers? Oh man Jeff Green

Aaron Gordon Oh give me Aaron Gordon Finishing I'm blessed Come on I'm blessed Peak athleticism Aaron Gordon

Let's go My team has the ugliest names But I'm killing it so far Andre Miller Aaron Gordon It is not shiny But it's effective Let's see

Let's see Beasombo Jeff Green Mario Hosonia? Is he still Is he still a blocker? Sergio Baca. At this point

Still 1.6 blocks a game? It's good. No, he wasn't quite He wasn't bad yet. Yeah. Milwaukee's when he was washed. He's still good in 2017. How crazy of a team

do you have to be? You know what? Our franchise player is Sergei Baca. Give him all the money in the world. Try to Future first. God.

If I'm 7.3 and I can shoot like Harry do I need do I want the defense or do I want finishing because I could just go Terrence Ross and say he's going to jump over everybody. I think jumping though is body. Sergeabaki defense. Let's go.

There you go. Smart. Okay. I'm going either one of two ways. Shooting and finishing left for you. Yeah. Shooting and finishing and the only thing that really makes sense right now is the finishing of Terence Ross. He's a high fucking fire Dunk contest winner What do you mean?

You don't get vertical finishing though But you can dunk What do you mean? Vertical finishing Yeah with the body of Ricky Davis I'm straight Okay

Look up Ricky Davis 2002 And you'll be like Oh okay You look up Ricky Davis 2002 No I did That's why I picked it buddy

Yeah Last team It's a lot of buddies Going around here 2010 pistons That's Rodney stocky In the gas I'm cooked

This is the worst team Nah This is the last team worse man this is the worst when it comes to shooting specifically dude this team is so fucking bad one team with stars is a 23 dude i punted on shooting and their best shooter percentage wise shot 37% only one three that's tachian prince but than that it's charlie bill and waiva let's go fuck what i got defense rip hamilton only shot 29% from three fuck man shit okay so i'm get this out the way go ahead and give me i guess the

The best in real shooting three here is Ben Gordon. 32%. I'll take him. 86% from the line, I'll take him. He said 32%. He did. He saw 86% from the line. I'll take it, man.

And you can shoot free throws. There you go. Yeah. I'll take him. He's the only real threat. Donovan, who's your rim finisher? Ben Wallace. For finishing.

Ew. The worst finisher ever. Why do you say that with pride? Because he's just going to dunk. Kind of. Oh, that kind of. If Ben Wallace was 7-3, he could dump. Still miss all them layups.

You're taking your honesty record, right? He's going to don't. Oh, I got finishing now, and you took... No, you have defense. Oh, defense, defense. Ooh, who's left to play's defense on the 2010? You're good. I'm good?

Yes. Am I missing somebody? Yes. Yes. Ever a big man defense? Ben Wall... Who am I missing? Because you took...

Oh, you didn't take Prince, did you? Yeah, he's still there. But big man defenses Yeah, I'm a big man So He's a friend Yotus Jurekko Listen,

Kwame Brown is on this team Listen, you're a big We can't protect the pain Yeah No, he's not Yes he is Am I looking at the right year

2009, 2010 He's not on my list Charlie who? Oh, he is I see him on Kwame Brown That'll be free buddy Hey I guess I'm building A 7-3 Demi God

That defends on the perimeter Give me Taze on Prince defense All right I guess I can fight over screens Defend a little bit All right, Nick Claxton. Okay, I got Nick Laxton. 7-2 Nick Laxton, okay.

Did you take Ben Wallace finishing off of the strength of Isaac not having his defense? No, I have a 7-3 guy. I needed some type of big man finishing. Would you even better off of Cuomé Brown finishing? I don't think so. I think Cuhramie Brown's a better finisher than Ben Wallace, I think. Yeah, he has a better touch. Bro, again, if Ben Wallace was 7-3, he would finish a lot better.

I just need the aggressiveness when you go to the rim. You may not win every single day. All I need is the desire. That's it. That's all I need. Okay. And Ben Wallace has the desire. Fair enough.

Who wins this? I have Brooke Lopez body with Davis Burtons shooting, Aaron Gordon finishing, Andre Miller passing, and Tashon Prince defense. You got the worst players. What? Like quality of players,

you have the worst. Oh, individual skills. Individual skills. I don't know. I have Zendrinis I'll gowskis body, Kyrie Irving, Ben Wallace finishing, Lonzo ball passing, and Sir Jabaka defense. Okay, it's not terrible.

The Kyrie shooting carries you. Yeah, that saves you a lot. Lonzo passing is also nice too, obviously. This is Chris. You have the worst body. You have, actually, no, I mean, whose body's better, Big Zia or Ricky Davis? I guess Ricky Davis is better.

Yeah. Come on, man. So I got Ricky Davis body. Ben Gordon for shooting. That's my worst shit. So I'm not shooting like that at all. But I do have the finishing ability of Terrence Ross passing a Luca

in defense of Alex Caruso. You have the worst finishing, the worst shooting. The worst finishing. Yeah, easily. I know, I'm not. I forgot Ben Wallace is here. Well, I don't know.

Terrence Ross is some gift of finish here. I don't know. Dude, I just need him to dunk everything and he still had his athleticism at this point in time. James Ross is a dunk contest dunker. I don't know, but in game where he's Listen, that's all that I'm asking you do. I can even think of like the player comms for these players.

He's just so wonky. Crazy. I think I'd have a top-to-un player in the league right now. I got... I got Tatum without his Achilles. What? Yeah, I got Tatum. Hold on.

You might just have Tatum. Yeah. Tateum does not have Lucas passing. Yeah, you have a better passing Tatum. Yeah, I do. You have Tatum. Yeah. Doesn't shoot efficiency all the time, so you have, like, a shooting slump,

Tatum. Tarris Ross can fly, but his... like a mid-finisher. Tatum at some times. The lay-up touch isn't amazing. Good defense of Caruso. You have Tatum. Yeah.

Okay, you definitely not. Straight. You won. You won. Barely, though. I have Brooke Lopez's body, so I'm 7-2 and I'm thick. I can shoot like Brooke Lopez really could.

Okay. Finishing of Aaron Gordon, probably not that different from Brooke Lopez. Okay. So I have Brooke Lopez with league leading passing. And more of a ability on the perimeter to defend. Okay. I got Wemby with size.

I got Wemby with size. You had that least. Where do we go? How did we get this? No, no, I probably have. I probably have a little bit better shooting like Anthony Davis with good passing. But he's bigger because Anthony Davis is shorter, so it's hard to describe because I'm so tall. Are we assuming this player is just a good room protector off the height alone?

I guess right. Tish on Prince, he's a very disciplined offender. He's 7-2, so I guess he would be a good shot blocker. Maybe. I have Christos Porzingis with good passing. Christos Porzzias, Porzangis is good passing. Okay. I would you have no layup touch for a big man.

That's tough. Again. You're a stretch big. He's 7.3. Yeah. Also, you're Pryzzi. You're going to gober. On offense.

Stop. No, you are. You're Gober's size. We can't say that we have Lonzo passing and also Kyrie's a finish. No, I just mean as a finisher with that size. You're a gober around the room. He's seven three. He's kind of crazy.

Correct. He's crazy. It's crazy. I looked up Big Z. I have not seen this man's face in like 15 years. Really? Literally all I think about when I think of Big Z, just bald. It's just like a white ball head.

And so I'm looking at his face right now, and it's kind of shocking. Let me see. And it's not even like anything crazy. I just haven't seen his face in 15 years. It's like Chris Kamen. To European man. Yeah. Next thing we are going to do, we are going to play NBA, two truths and a lie.

Be Souls has put together a group of facts. Two of them are obviously true. One is a lie. We had to see which one of us can identify the most lies of the bunch. All right. Are y'all ready? Are you ready? Did you deceive us? Let's see. Two true center lie. Let's do it. First one. Rasheed Wallace has the most technical files of all time. Okay. Okay. Shack has a career higher free throw percentage than Ben Wallace. I believe that. I believe that. I believe that for sure. Dude, we cried so many times about Ben Wallace. I believe that for sure.

Next. Rashid Wallace has the most technicals in a season. Manglitz. Okay. Most in a season. Do you think he got like two suspensions? He had like 32 or something?

No. I'm gonna say in a season, that's not him. I'm gonna say he doesn't have the most all time. Actually, no, does it? I think we knew that. I think we saw that before. Because it's either him. or it's like

Kareem maybe? Yeah, I'm going to say the longevity isn't quite there so Rashid doesn't have the most all-time. There's somebody that played more games and has more. I'll say that's a lie. Y'all want to lock it in as a group? Not individual. So you guess the most.

Okay. I'm going to say, I'm going to just go opposite. I'm going to say in the season is a lie. Yeah, I was going to agree with that one. Okay. The lie is all-time.

Yeah. Who is it? Kareem. Carl Malone. Makes sense. Makes sense. Makes sense. Makes sense.

Okay. Yep, yeah, okay. Okay, one point for me. There you go. All right, next. Manute Bowl had more career blocks than points. That's hilarious. Okay.

Manute Ball recorded a quaddub. Okay. That's believable. This is a Manute Bowl round, by the way. All right. Manute Bowl once hit six three-pointers in a single game. Okay, I know that's true. Believable.

Did he have a quadruple double? Did he 10 assists in a game? I don't know More blocks and points is crazy I don't think that can happen Just because it's two versus one Yeah because like the best If he average four blocks in the season

He average less than four points Yeah I think that's the lie Yeah I'll say he doesn't average more blocks of points I will go with that as well Never recorded a quad dog I should have gone with that He does have one of career blocks and points I was I was thinking when did he get 10 assists

That's crazy I mean you know maybe one day He just had it going caught fire. We probably should have got that one right. That's all nice. All right. Next.

Joelle and B didn't start playing basketball until he was 15. Okay. Okay. I think that's true. Keem Elijah won didn't start playing basketball

until he was 15. Damn. Okay. Steve Nash didn't start playing basketball until he was 15. Is he going to do some ho shit or for Joelle and Bede was 14?

I think so. I'm going to go Joel and Bid. I know he didn't start playing until he was late. If you're going to tell me it's wrong because it was really, 17, I fucking hate you. No, I think Joelle started playing maybe a little bit earlier. I think Hakeem started

late. I think Steve Nash is the answer because him started and played basketball at 15 as a small guard. That doesn't make any sense. He said that doesn't make any sense. He played soccer growing up his whole life. He did, yeah. But being a small guy like that, like you, it takes a lot.

We don't see, usually when I come to, like, guys who are late developers and like rumors, like they're all bigs who don't usually like play the sport. But if you're smaller, you're usually fall into that. It takes so much hard work to like do that stuff. I think it's a key. I'm gonna go Joel Embed. I know for a fact he started

late. I don't know the exact age. I'm gonna just trust that. And say Steve Nash. I'm gonna Hakeem. All right. It is. Steve Nash. So did you do that? Is Joel and Bede really like 14 or 16? No, Joel Mbid was 15. Hakeem was 15. Steve Nash was 12. Oh, I forgot. We're identifying the lie. I'm dumb as fuck. I was just identified the

Wait, what's wrong with you? I forgot the game. You forgot where you were? I forgot the game. These games be tripping me up, too. I still don't get the whole imposter shit, man. I ain't going on. Still be cooking me, man.

All right, next. The 2008 finals MVP shot 45% or less. Okay. From the field. So Paul Pierce? Shut. Andre Igudala won finals. MVP shooting 36% from the line.

That's okay. I feel that. Chauncey Billups won finals MVP averaging less than 20. What's the lie? What's the lie? I think Equidala might be the lie. Was it as bad as?

Shooting 36%. I think so. I don't remember being that bad. I think so. Choncy. It makes a little sense to me that Paul Pierce would shoot like 43% from the field. Yeah.

Choncy, I don't think he average 20, but I don't know. Maybe he barely got that. he barely got like 20.1. It's tough because you're winning the championship, you're scoring 60 points in a game. Exactly. That's crazy.

And that team was so, like the distribution of points was a little bit more. So I could see him winning it at like 17. Me too. I'm gonna go Chauncey. That's the lie. He averaged 18 or something like that. I'm gonna go Yodal and that's the lie. I'm going Chaunty.

If it's a good doubt, that's hilarious. Because 36 is so stupid that we should have just picked that because that's crazy. All right. The lie is Chauncy Billis. Okay. He averaged.

more than 20. Yeah. How much? It's probably like 20 points. There's like 21. But we once again got the game backwards. Yeah, y'all got the game backwards. Yeah, you know, that time I just read wrong. That's how I thought I said more than 20. No way. You let Audrey, yo, did you say more than 20? He averaged more than 20 in the 2000. Why don't I feel like when you, when you presented this, I don't know why I thought it said more than 20. I just read bad. Either way. Yeah, I actually don't know. I just know that like that that just wasn't right. Okay.

That's crazy. He's taking credit. He also got it back for us. He was actually wrong, but he's taking credits. I mean, it's a lie that he averaged less than 20. I knew what she was trying to say. I didn't read. It's an L reader moment, but like, I knew, I knew what was going down.

Dude, Ecuador. Okay. Those shoes are way worse. Time shit. Okay. Mind you, he presented the argument of the opposite, but he knew. This is a mad confusing game, though. I ain't go lie.

I know what I'm saying. I know what I'm doing. Okay, okay. All right. I know what's going down. Pay days coming up. I don't want to anger people. You say what?

Michael Jordan never average less than 30 in the playoffs. Okay. Michael Jordan had 10 assists in his first playoff game. Michael Jordan average 11 assists in the NBA finals. What is the lie? 11 assists. Like over six NBA finals? No, for one.

Just for one. Just for one. There was, oh, was it 11? 11's so high. In the 90s? Yeah. I'm going to say that's a lie. I know there's a series where he averaged a lot of assists.

I'm going to say it's a lie. It wasn't 11. 10 assists in his first playoff game sounds crazy, too. But 11 in the finals? Like, 11's a big number, man. Yeah, no, I think that's a lie. They got to be a lie. Never averaged less than 30.

I think that makes sense that for every career playoff run, he averaged over 30. Yeah. Because he didn't make the playoffs in the wizard, did he? No. No. Yeah. So I believe it. Never lessened.

This guy's the goat list. 11 in the finals. I feel stupid because I just want to go against what the common sense is. But I think I'm going to do it. I'm going to say never. Maybe that was one run. So I'm going to say never average less than 30. It's a lot.

You think you snuck it at a 29 point per game? with the end? Maybe. Donovan is correct. He did average 11 assists for a finals. Yes. What year was that? It was against the Lakers. And then first playoff game, he had 10 assists. He averaged 30 in every single playoffs outside of one year where he averaged like 29.6.

Man, what year was that? Not the goat. I think it was like this rookie year or something. Ah, bum. His playoff numbers are crazy. I can go out. They're nuts. They're almost as good as shays.

Yeah. Next. Christ. Wilk led the league in total assist. Wilk led the league in total assist one season. Why? I knew that. Dennis Rodman won three rebounding titles

while averaging under five points a game. You can have that. Under five is nuts shit. You can't get three buckets and four quarters? Fuck. He wasn't looking to do that. He didn't want him. Ben Wallace made all.

All his, all defensive teams is what that's supposed to say without ever averaging 10 points of the game. I'm going to say the lies that Dennis Robin won because I bet he did it more than three times. I bet he has like six with under five points per game. What one feels very real? Ben Walsh, I don't think he ever averaged 10 points per game. I don't think so. I don't think so.

I know for a fact, World Chamber, let the league in total assist one season. Because he let in the assist, I'm assuming it applies a total. I feel like it has to be the Dennis Robin one. He did it like five times. Damn I think Ten is Ten is a lot for Ben Wallace

Leading the league But under five is It seems possible for Rodman Yeah five is a small number It's a small number But I think Rodman Like completely was like I'm fine if I scored

Four four points per game I'll live Yeah I'm gonna go Ben Wallace I think is the lie I think he averaged 10 I'm like he's stupid about that I think I'm going Dennis Rodman. Is Dennis Rodman? How many times you do it?

Two. Only two. Oh, only two. I was the other way. It was less. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm done. What's? The randomness of three, I was like, I can't be three. What's got in while this is something different? It's like 9.8.

Yeah. It's probably something. He might have averaged more, but it might have been like small sample size and he wasn't like an all defensive players. Not just prime defensive seasons. That makes sense. Yeah. All right. Next. LeBron has more career turnovers than John Stockton. That's very true. That's true. A hundred million years.

Yeah. Yeah. Got to. Yep. Russell Westbrook has more career turnovers than LeBron James. That's the lie. LeBron is a lot of turnover. But Russ is up there.

Career turnover. That's all. Carl Malone has more career turnovers than James Hardin. Oh, man. I think that's true. Carmelon played so long. I think the Russell Westbrook one is the lie. Yeah, I'm going to assume that this is all going towards longevity in the Russell

Westbrook one of the lie. Whoever plays the most years has more turnovers. Mm-hmm. All right. It is Russell Westbrook. Yeah. LeBron has the most career turnovers. That makes sense.

23 years being a ball handler? There you go. It's not his fault. It's just math. Yes. Kobe Bryant speaks fluent Italian. Believable. The Cambay Matumbo speaks nine languages.

Damn. That's true. Tim Duncan is fluent in Spanish. I'm going to say that's fake. Tim Duncan doesn't know Spanish fluent? I'm going to say that's fake. I know Kobe spoke multiple languages. I don't know if Italian is one of them.

But his dad played basketball in Italy. I think he grew up there. little bit. So I'm going to say the Tin Duncan won is fake. Tim Duncan, no Spanish. Tim Duncan was in San Antonio. Yeah. He was out there with the Mexicans. Kobe lived in Italy. She's the one of those two. He lost that though. I don't think he was fluent. He knew broken in Spanish, broken Italian. Yeah. Okay. You think Kobe did anything halfway? I think. Answer me that. It's good analysis. Fair.

I think he, I think Kobe was fluent in Spanish. I don't know. I don't know if he was fluent in Italian. You know what the crazy part is? I don't know either. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Italian's tough.

I'm gonna say Kobe. But they're so similar though. In Italian. Spanish and Italians is similar? Yeah. Yeah. Really. Yeah.

Some common root words. Yeah. All right. What's the lie? Tim Duncan is a lie. I'm going to say Kobe's the lie. I'm going to say Kobe's the lie. I'm going to go to the lie.

He gets a price. I'm going to go the other way. De Kim Mettumb was a lie. He speaks six. 9's a lot. I knew from the jump. I will say, DeKembe Montembo speaking nine languages.

I don't know like how, like, is he fluent in nine? Does he just know nine languages? That was the fact I looked up, but how does a brain like keep track in nine languages? I can't fathom that. I don't think you did. Traveled a lot growing up.

He just knows like five words from one and he counted it as one of the minutes or something. That's so impressive. Yeah. They say that like once you learn one like language that's different than yours, it's easier to start learning different languages. Yeah, there's a lot of similar mechanics.

All right, next, the Celtics once traded the number one pick for two second round picks. What the fuck? They're doing anything in the 80s. The Bulls won the Rose lottery. The Bulls won the Rose lottery with the ninth best odds. Yes, that's very true. Remember that. The NBA once held a coin flip to determine the number one pick.

That is true. The Celtics one has to be faked then. Yeah, the Celtics. Are you second round picks? Are you all sure it's the ninth best? odds for the Roseland? I'm not sure. I don't fucking know. You know for sure?

I'm not sure specifically. I know they weren't supposed to get him. I'm going to assume he's not a dickhead and didn't put like eighth odds. I'm assuming the point is it wasn't great odds. If it's eighth, then again, we're going to. Yeah.

Torches. For the Celtics one, is it just. Pitchmarks. For the Celtics one is the thing that they just traded the number one pick for just two second round picks or is that like part of a package? Because I can see somebody in the 80s being like, yeah,

it would take. two second round picks and such and such and I'm assuming you straight up it straight up that's the lie that's a lie yeah it's the lie okay it is the lie I was about to say I don't it's not true so I don't know what the Celtics did or didn't

do actually damn it great great line of question we gotta get you an improv class got to be able to lie on the spot damn right next we'll teach him yes and Scottie Pippen made lesson

absolutely it was a for one for one They did it in the end of the first round. They came back. All right, next. Scotty Pippen made less than $3 a year during the second three P. True. Okay.

Bob Coosie was the first player to sign a $1 million contract. I think that's a lot. In the 15th? That's a lie from fucking hell. Hell, yes, that's a lie. Moses Malone was the first player to sign a $1 million contract.

I believe that more just for timeline-wise. I'm going to say Bob Coosie was a lie. Yeah, Bob Coosie was a goddamn liar. Is there given one million contracts in the 50s? He's Elon Musk. Yeah, that's a goddamn lie. It's Bob Coosie. But we're not saying

$1 million a year. We're just saying a $1 million contract. Is that what it means, total value? That is true. It's a good call out. Allegedly. I think I'm still going Moses Malone. Me too.

I'll still go Moses. So Bob Coosie is a lie. We're all on. But if it is not Bob Coosie, you're right. It was cumulative value over multiple years. Yeah. I'm going to go Moses Malone is the lie. Why?

It's Bob Coosie. Yeah. Okay. Do what? One million in the 60s is this fucking crazy money. That's like 100 million today. I mean, because they were given out, like, Magic had signed a 25-year, $25 million contract. Like, you know, those contracts are so nice.

Bro, that was 25 years later. I know, but like if they gave Bob Cruz like a 20-year million-dollar contract. They didn't have the IQ in the 50s to write contracts that long. They didn't know anything. Well, not contact used to be just longer. 25 years of? For one. Also, I think the magic one was like first of its kind.

That's why it was like groundbreaking. 10 years? 15-year one-bill contract is insane. He's just making 70K a year What a win to scam someone? He's a math teacher He's all about perspective, y'all All right, next

Andrew Bonham was the youngest NBA player Okay The youngest NBA coach in history was 24 What the fuck? 24 LeBron's older than JJ Reddick No, JJ's older Jay J.J. stayed in college for a mad long

Like four years. It's the problem older. For Duke. I think that's like. LeBron's older than JJ Reddick. That's a lie. I think he got him about like a year. LeBron's 43, oh.

42? It's like 41. Oh, I'm tripping. So LeBron's 41. Yeah, no, DJ Redick is definitely more than 41. JJ Redd has to be like 43 or 44. That's a lie.

That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie. Good. Hell yeah I was going to trick you with that second fact Who's the youngest coach

It's kind of Mickey but Dave, they'd be sure he was a player coach Ah Okay Player coach at 24 I know what the fuck What's up for that organization What were the Knicks cooking

That's been to be the Blazers Scoo Henderson in the charge Oh fuck Kling and save us Next Wilk Chamberlain has scored 70 plus points, eight plus times. That's true. Draymond has more playoff triple doubles than Walt.

Oh, well, drinks in the playoffs, maybe. Curry has more playoff triple doubles than Jordan. I don't think that's true. If Jordan averaged 11 assists for a fucking finals, he has to have more playoff triple doubles in Curry. But he wasn't rebounding 10 times the game, though. Dude, all this is. Was Curry?

No, that's what I'm saying. I don't think, I don't think Seth has more playoff triple-d- That's what I'm saying so Jordan is more. Oh, true,

true, true, yeah. Damn. Dream-on having more than the will makes sense, Wilk shrunk in the playoffs and I don't think

as many playoff runs as Draymont has at this point have any deep runs. Is he trying to trick us with the Does Curry have more? But also, with Jordan, though,

there were some runs and games, a lot of games, where he's like, hey, I'm here for buckets. Right, and I'm not going to get these tennises. There's a whole career of it.

How many triple doubles does Curry have in a playoffs? It's got to be like one or two. Yeah, that's got to be the lie. Yeah, Jordan has more than one. Yeah, that's the lie right there. Curry does not have more. Okay, the lie is wilt. Fuck.

Yeah, like six. Fuck. See, let come on. I knew it. God damn it. Curry has, I believe, three. Jordan has two. Two?

So in the series where he was averaging like 11 assists, it was a bunch of double doubles. No, no boards. I mean, he might have grabbed like seven or eight, but never 10. Not enough. Number 10. That was for Jordan. That's it. Pewee, man.

Embarrassing. Embarrassing. Embarrassing. Here, go. Pewee, bro. Next. Oh, that last? That's the last one.

Yes, that's the last one. There we go. That was fun. We did a decent job. Yeah. Not the best, not the worst. But that's respect. We could be better.

We got to get back in the lab. Next thing we're going to do today. Let's talk about the greatest lies told an NBA. history. We're just lying all day today. We're lying today. I ask you guys on a community post to give us. My favorite. To give us your greatest lies in NBA history. We're going to see them. We're going to react to them. Additionally,

we are going to have a podium that we're going to pick the three greatest lies we see today to put them on that podium. We can exchange them over time. So by the end of this episode of the 12 to 15 lies we see, we'll have three that we think are the three greatest lies. Okay. What is the first live we've seen today, B. B. Souls. All right. First lie. Oh, go ahead and read it to us.

God, okay. Most casual fans believe Yokic doesn't care about basketball when that couldn't be further from the truth. They look the gimmick of someone being the best player without caring about the sport, but Yokic is always one of the most passionate players on the floor. Boom, boom, got it. Successfully read two sentences, let's go.

Yes. Do we think it's a lie that Yokish doesn't care about basketball? I think it was, I think we've kind of moved past that. I think people understand that he does care, but so it is a lie but I don't think it's like a top three lie that's told you don't think he's going to make podium should you put the first three on the podium

and then we can kick them off as they go yeah yeah still it on there go to the yokish one on the podium we'll keep going it's the third one so do you think he does he care less than some guys to you do you feel like I don't know pick the star anthony edwards does he care more about basketball

is yokitch he cares you can't say he doesn't care because he's disrespectful but in the grand scheme of superstars you think he cares a little bit less than lebron or gady or whatever yes I think the, I think clearly like the All-Star game performances, I think that shows some level of like, I'm just out here because like I really, really do have to. Is it a bad thing though to not care about fake basketball? In the, for the All-Star game, probably.

You're a bad entertainer, but I mean you don't care about basketball. You are one of the best players in the world. You do have a certain responsibility, but like, and he clearly is like, I don't give a damn about that responsibility. So yes, he probably cares less, but it's not. to the degree of like, I don't care about anything. Yeah. Okay. For now, that is our number one lie.

We'll move things go. I don't think that's not last on the podium, though. I don't even know if that's the number one lie, but so far, I guess it is because we have no other lies. You know, I think to be the greatest lies, this has to be, like, people really believe it and is really not true. Like, the difference between reality and what the public receives is, like, vast, making it a great lie. And this one, I think it's fair to doubt his, like, leadership, passion and shit like that, you know? Like I think it is fair to say that he's not quite as fiery of a guy or whatever as the ultimate competitors of Michael Jordan LeBron and whatnot. And it's kind of weird for a top player.

Most guys are that like insane competitor. Maybe he's not quite that. I don't know. I feel like when it comes to gauging how we think someone cares about basketball, what are like the metrics and what are actual like emotional things? You just want to see guy be mad and like yell or you want to see. I mean, he does that. He does. But there's that more of him just being a sort of loser.

Yes. Yeah, exactly. Like are we going to say like someone like, Why he doesn't care? Because he's like, he's a plank. I mean, he don't care. I think he would say, people would say obviously Ben Simmons never cared about basketball. That's why he wasn't working hard to get better.

That's one trait. Yeah. And I think people used to say that about James Hardin that he just cares about going to the club. That was just racist. To be honest. So like, I don't know. I don't know. They all care about basketball.

Yeah. Yeah. But does he care less? Maybe a little bit. So it's not a great lie, but it's a lie. It's true. It is a lie to say that he doesn't care just because he doesn't emo. in the same way some people do yeah all right next rudy gobert is a horrible defender when he's

one of the best of all time oh this is number one this is one of the greatest lives of our generation for sure people truly believe that rudy gobert is a bum who can't play in the playoffs and gets exposed every single time april comes around never been true do you know who he's been exposed by who guys like luka fucking donchitz right yeah like guys like like nicole yokic's obviously people not saying this year but in the past he's had his number guys like okay now he did We just have that moment with Terrence Man, and that's, like, really what kickstarted this thing. And that was stupid. He just didn't defend him.

His coach said, don't defend Terrence Man. Come help in the rim. Terrence Man hit open shots. And all of a sudden, it's like, he did Rudy Gaubert. No, Rudy Gle-Barre wasn't anywhere close to him. I remember one play where he got crossed. You got it. You got dude.

All right. If we gauged him by the metric of can you defend Luca Donchich every single year, nobody's a great playoff defender except for like Jaylon Brown. Curry's cooking him and drop. Look at him. horrible. He's a bum. God damn.

This is definitely number one right list, deservedly. It's going to take a lot to dismantle this. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. All right. Next lie is the 2015 Hawks should not be referred to

as a bad one seed. They made it to the conference finals and then lost to the best player in the world in the middle of his prime. You can say they were disappointing but to put them as the paragon of disappointing one seeds when we have series like the 2000 Mavs

we're gone in the first round is crazy to me. You hit the little he's on the them. He dragged the foot a little bit. No, but it was him that fucked up though. You got through it. You got through it. Okay. Is it a lie that the Hawks

are one of the most disappointing teams of the modern era? Are we wrong to pinpoint them as the face of failure? Yeah, we are. Yeah, we are. They don't have any like historic players at all. They did this team as a whole

did historic things. Yeah. Like they may have like four all stars, which is amazing. But at the end of everyone that was also fake. It was fake. Oh, 100%.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. And everyone knew that, though, too. Looking back, why did we do this? They made the conference finals. They made them four alls. People were trying to give them five all stars. Because they got swept.

Yeah, it's LeBron. Swepped? Okay, fair. Maybe you should have won a game. They should have won a game. A game is ridiculous. No, it probably is too. I don't remember what happened quite vividly.

I was 16. They probably got the shit beat out of them in those games and went out sad. So that's just like when you're so dominant, we spent all this time. Like, imagine if OKC got swept a couple years ago. in their first year being good, the nature in which you lost the games is probably what did it. And I do think,

I think the four all-stars is adds to it. Absolutely. Where it's like, you could have said that they were a very good team and they played team basketball and you have two all-stars.

But to put basically the entire starting lineup, then they went out and glazed to get the entire starting five player of the week or player of the month, you're doing a lot. You're crowning this entire team. And for them not to get a game

is ridiculous. They were also getting like modern day spurs comparisons. Yeah, well, that's also probably, that's also because Mike Boonehoso was there and he came from the spurs too and then they saw the ball movement. And that was like a very, very important talking point by then. So it makes sense. Who it is too? I think today we're much more gracious of great teams not winning because we're in this parody era where like we understand how hard it is to win and that like making the conference finals is an achievement now because the league is so competitive. Back then there was two good teams in the east. The greatest teams were always

in the conference finals. So that wasn't like an accomplishment. Yeah, man. We need up to slander, man. So you're more slander today. Yeah. I think what makes it worse too, I remember, I'm looking back at the statue right now. In this series 2015, 2016, this was when Kyrie and K. Love were out. And so he was, LeBron was busting

a ass with Mosgoth and Delavan Dover. That's what it is. Okay, I forgot that detail. You're right. Sweat? Yeah. No. Wait, Kyrie didn't play in this one? No, no. Carrier didn't play. That's the second round. No. No. No. He got hurt in the finals. Yeah, but Kevin Lovell

didn't play at all. Kevin Love got his arm ripped by Kelly Linick. That was second round against the sentence. Oh, Kyrie played one game actually. Against the Hawks? Yeah, he played game one against the Hawks. He hit his knee on the ground and I cracked it, right? Is that what it was?

Yes, you're precisely right. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, he bonged his knee on the ground and shit broke. Yeah. It's crazy. I've never seen that again. What a crazy duo to get to talk about LeBron's legacy? To have your one star get his arm in an arm bar and ripped out

and one guy bongs his knee and cracks it, crazy unlucky. Yeah, so actually, Kyrie came. back for game four and that's something saying i remember because he played in the finals that year too for i remember for a quick second and then he was immediately he played for for game one yeah and got hurt in oh game one is when he bonked his knee and cracked it why was he hurt before that i don't i don't see the injury right now i can't remember either yeah okay so that's on our podium is that a greater lie than the yokech thing or we put that at three uh put it at three okay put that three for now yep okay but yeah long story short it is a lie we probably shouldn't pinpoint

them we have gone more gracious with teams not win the finals on their grace over time we have I think we is at NBA community understand this thing a little more who we gave Def Teague an All-Star for having 15 points uh man all right next there's no defense in the modern NBA this might be one this is one this is the worst lie might be one defense is so genius today it's night and day from the defense of the 90s and the 2000s when it was just more physical but lower IQ less complicated yeah the real answer is offense is just unfuck with the bull because we've solved the game to a fucking molecular degree that high-end defense is damn near impossible.

Yeah, I agree. I think there's, I'm not going to do the exercise, but I think there's specific defensive players back then that you could pinpoint and be like, yeah, they may not, they may not be able to survive in today's NBA because of the offball movement and how where you need to be outside of just like singular one-on-one coverage, just waiting and got to funnel in. The shit that Wembe, Chet, all these high-level room protectors today, the things they have to perceive, all the rotations they have to make, the complicated systems, is they have to man.

If you put them back in the 90s and they just had to sit there and guard in the post you're eating. It's so easy. What? To Gobert would be the best defender of all time in the 80s.

All right, who are we kicking off though? I think this goes to one over the Gobert thing. And everyone just shifts down? Yeah. Yeah, one. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, I think right now this is the greatest lot we've seen. Probably. Defense has never been harder to play right now. And it sucks because like this is so, this is so pervasive amongst casual fans. Like, they truly do believe this. They're not hating.

They truly do think the NBA plays no defense anymore. And it's hard to tell them it's not true when you see regular season games that intensity might not be high but it really is because the office is just so amazing. There was a game

a couple years ago. 176, 175 was crazy. Oh, that was the King's Clippers game, right? Yeah, that's great. You know what it is too? We were just having this conversation yesterday with the coworker. I was telling them that like

in the 1990s, the best shooter in the world, whoever was at the time, I don't know who had the title, either whether it be Reggie Miller, Dale Ellis, whoever, the things they did as a shooter, the versatility they had as a shooter would make them one of the worst shooters

on a league team today. Every single player in a rotation these days has to be able to catch a corner three, pump fake, side step, and hit a three. If you did that in the 80s, you're Jesus. Yeah, very true. Now Lou Dort has to do that and he's the worst shooter on his team.

It is funny whenever you go back in the life. If you did this in 1980, you were a witch. Yeah, you got it. It's all true, too. Jordan pulled out of the greatest handle of all time in the 80s. All right. Next. Michael Jordan is the goat. Had inflated defensive stats. The only thing he did better than LeBron was shoot more.

Had a top seven small forward of all time and the greatest coach in Lincoln Street. Is it a lie that Jordan's the goat? Is it one of the greatest lies of all time? I feel like he was trying to say he's not the goat. He is. He's saying it's a lie that Jordan's a goat. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Okay. It's not a top three lie. Yeah, it's not a good lie. It's not a good enough lie. It's a valid argument, man.

First one that doesn't make the cut. Yeah. he's not the goat and jordan's a goat to you he has he has an uh very clear argument yeah he has a it's not it's not probably ganda yeah are there any mj goat guys here no donovan's wishy-washy with it yeah i go back and i do i'm kind of i'm kind of painted as a lebron guy because i did that h-o-h video and we had our all-time rankings and i was like we just argue for content i think lebron's a goat but like i don't think it's crazy gap how crazy to say that i think it's pretty one a one-a-one b in my mind i got to a point like four years ago why i just gave up i just i i don't

really care about it. Me too. Yeah, that's really what it is. I don't give a fuck. The arguments are cemented at this point. What are we arguing about? All right, next. That Kyrie is better than Chris Paul and Jason Kidd. Who said this? A lot of, we need to finally beat his ass.

A lot of fans will tell you Kyrie's better than Chris Paul. Oh, there was definitely a very big debate last summer about Kyrie and Chris. Yeah, a lot of casual fans will tell you that Kyrie is one of the coldest of all time, one of the greatest peaks of all time, that he's way better than Chris Paul. They trust him more in a playoff setting, all this stuff. things in a finals Chris Paul can never dream of.

A lot of people truly believe this. And Jason Kid. Sure. And Jason Kid. I'm sure if a Kyrie fans tell him he's better than Chris Paul, he's not drawn the line at Jason Kids. Who gets even less buckets? This is nasty work, man.

Do you know how, bro, if Kyrie, if Chris Paul and LeBron James are teammates, brother, they would. I think I genuinely do think if Chris Paul was there, let's say in 2018 instead of Kyrie, probably still get their ass beat regardless because that team is crazy, but that series is going to six or six or something. Because Kyrie wasn't there in 18. Yeah, 18, my bad.

17. 17, yes. Yeah. Better chance? Yeah, this is obviously a terrible lie. The idea of Kyrie being one of the greatest players of all time to people is a lie. He's obviously, he's amazing. He's a historic NBA player, one of the best on-ball scorers,

one of the deepest bags, all this stuff. But the idea that that translates to him being an player more impactful than these type of guards that do a little more than just score. Not true. Is he? Not top three, though. Yeah, I don't think this is the top three Well, what's on our podium right now?

Let's go back to it This is a bigger lie than the yoke She doesn't care about basketball Really? A lot of people really do believe Kyrie's the goat Or like in that combo to them Actually yeah

It's really really common Outside of like diehard fans Yeah Okay I would say it's number three on the list personally I'll put it in three two Okay put that three All right

People love Kyrie man They really do And like it's fine to love Kyrie I like Harry a lot But to let that love color your perception of him relative to history, it is a lie. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair. All right. Next lie. Well, first of all, no, my. Next lie is New York's big market actually attracts stars in free agency. It's literally happened once in NBA history. Is it a lie that Star Wars want to play in New York? What was that one time?

Are you kind of Brunson or not? No. Mello's saying that he wants to. wanted to go. But that was a trade though. He forced his way over there. He could have been patient. You're right. He could have the whole team. Okay. Okay. I'll go. We can't have it right now.

Yeah. It's obviously a very, very big lie. Because honestly, the biggest free agent acquisition didn't even go to the Knicks. It was Katie and Kyrie going to go over to Nets. So maybe that means New York is a big market. People want to play for it. They just don't want to play for the sorry-ass Nix all the time. That's all I'm here.

Honestly, he's been this is true then. They do like New York. They just don't love the Knicks. And if the Knicks were good and competent in a legendary franchise, they'd get All-Stars all the time. Ain't it so crazy? They saw the New York Knicks and every fan and every like news outlet like pushing this prop again.

They said, fuck, they were going to the Brooklyn Nets. Yeah. So this isn't podium because it's not a lie. It's crazy. This is a Knicks issue, not a New York issue. It doesn't make our podium. Y'all had a top pick that year too. It broke my heart.

Fuck, man. I told you. I thought it was going to be K.D. Carrey and Zile. Yeah. Looking back, that shit, the team wouldn't have been on shit. Looking back. It would have been a massive disappointment. The biggest disappointment ever, you're right.

So, not a lie. New York is popping. The Nix just aren't. All right. Next. KD. wasn't the best player on the Warriors when he was there. It's partially because of Steph's gravity,

which I won't deny, but he indeed was the best player on the team when he was there. You a damn lie. You a damn lie. It was never the best player. Donovan is a curry better truther. He was never.

Mo is Donovan a liar? He was never a better. Was Katie better? And if he was, it was only because Steph allowed him to. That's such a which then if you go back means that he wasn't the better player. Katie only got to top of the mountain because Curry lifted him up. I'm being honest here. He showed him the way.

He's the navigator. He drove the bus. He drove the GPS. Yeah. He used the cake. He used the cake, huh? Is that crazy the GPS? He leads the way.

Ew. Come on, man. No, I always thought Curry was better. Just because, well, I don't think this is one of the greatest lies. I do think it's debatable. I've always lean Curry because I appreciate the impact of a Curry, appreciate how he makes everybody else better. But I think there's a very valid viewpoint to those who think Katie is better at more things,

is the end-of-game score, is the better defender, is a more versatile player that, like, while they may have been built around Curry's playmaking, that doesn't mean Curry's a more individually talented player. I do understand that it's a debate. Yeah, I don't think it's one of the greatest lies. either there was a moment in time back in either 20 i think it was 2017 or 18 one of those years where people were talking about putting katy on the dpa y list bro which is kind of crazy but that was really like that he was blocking shots over there with all those great defenders around him

that shit was glazed yeah yeah yeah so i don't think it's i don't think it's only the great allies so i'm like katy at the time definitely was a much much better he's always been a much better just go get a bucket guy which at the end of games was very very valuable and so i do like He does deserve all of all of that credit, but I still think that, I still think the stuff was a better player. Me too. Yeah, I agree.

Not a lie. All right. Next, LeBron couldn't play in the 80s and the 90s. Oh yeah, that might be one. And I was going to dismiss this as it doesn't even matter. It's not even worth putting on the podium. Yeah. People do say this.

People over 40 do say this stupid shit that if LeBron play the 90s, we throw an elbow at his neck. He could have survived. And they really believe that shit. Like he isn't the biggest, gigantic four they've ever seen in their fucking lives. How different? Do they think like 2006 basketball was?

I know. He thinks he got out of 2003. Not 203. Yeah, there was like literally zero spacing at all, right? He already been through that. Does this make our podium? It's obviously a huge lie. I think so.

I think it's a bigger lie than Kyrie over Chris Paul and Jason King. 100%. I think it's one. It might be over Rudy Gobert. You know, maybe it's too actually. Is it bigger than no defense in modern NBA? It's the most wrong lie.

here. So if we're going on how wrong these lies are is one. Like LeBron could obviously be the best player in the world in the 80s. In some ways he'd be better. Should we say? Is it one? I think we can shift everything down. Yeah, I'll serve everything down. Okay. Okay. Greatest lot we have yet. LeBron couldn't play in the 80s and 90s.

It's just common enough because of the skip bailances of the world that said this shit for decades that a lot of people do out there. A lot of casual fans do believe this. Yeah. The physical defense in the 90s. bro, so many haters, so many dummies. All right, next. Mamba mentality being a factor in Kobe's legacy, no reason a guy should be ranked higher because he worked harder.

Everyone works hard to make it to that. Everyone works hard to make it to the NBA. Kobe was just an asshole about it. I'm not going to lie. This might have to enter the podium. That mama mentality shit is the craziest glaze that I've ever seen any, like, person get away with ever. Just to be an ass

It's true he's cooking Just to be like a not a good time to be around He's right Kobe is one of the 10 greatest players of all time I'm not saying that he's overrated But the fact that people attribute his greatness To him being a dick He's over talked about

He's top 10 because he wins chips And he's their great isolation score And what the era needed from their lead ball handlers He did to an amazing degree He is not a top 10 player ever Because he was mean to Smush Parker And wanted it more That just made him an asshole

Just a deuce man Yeah. He didn't want him more than Spurs. He did. Like he did. He objectively wanted him more than all of these people, which then leads to him being a good isolation. It helps.

He's definitely a grinder because he wanted it so bad. But it's over talked about for how important it was. Yeah. Like the whole mama mentality thing is always easily one of the first three things to hear in any conversation when you hear someone either give Kobe praise or bake him up over. I know it's a new thing too. New people are starting to say that he was. than a crazy athlete that he was only so good

because he worked so hard. What the fuck? He is 6 foot 6 but a 42 inch vertical and swall. He was a great athlete. He was naturally gifted as well. The difference is, he is like, like LeBron obviously different tier.

Even Jordan, I think is a different level of athletes than Kobe. And I think that those two guys were able to keep their athleticism a little bit longer than than Kobe would. Sure, probably. And so that, and I think like transitioning over

to like the like, the more groundbound footwork error, Kobe. I do think that the mama mentality did, you know, kind of ushered that in a little bit earlier. A lot of players do that. And we don't write a Bible scripture about their mindset. A lot of people change their games over time. LeBron did that shit, man.

You weren't turned around shot 40% of 3.9. 2018, LeBron and 2006 LeBond is a different guy. And guess what? He had mama mentality doing it. We've got to create a church. It's not wrong. We've got to create a church to LeBron's mindsets. Is this too?

He did have, Brian did have Mamba mentality. All right, man. I think this is three. I think we kick off. Actually, I don't know. The Gobert thing is pretty tough. I think, okay, you know what?

But Kobe thing is like, that takes over. So, no. I don't, I don't think Mamba mentality is only exclusive to Kobe. Other people can't have it. Well, now you're just describing working hard. Now it's not even about Kobe. There's a different level to Mamba. All right.

There is. I hate you. There is. It's a different level. You could work hard and then, and then you get around other people who work hard. And you're like, oh, dang, I got step it up. That's the level that he's on. Okay.

This isn't a top three live all the time though. It's not top three? Because mobile mentality is real. It's exaggerated, but it's real. The Gobert thing is completely fictional. So it can't be top three live all time. It's not up there. These three are blatant lies.

The Kobe thing is glazed and it's exaggerated. It's founded in truth. He does. He is a hard worker. He's right. The foundation is true. Oh my God, he ate with that one. Thank you.

God. The foundation is true. He's a lot of propaganda. A lot of propaganda starts with a sliver of truth. truth. Also, picture you're Kobe Bryant, right? And you and you work as hard as you do. And you have to go to work. And you know that your legacy and the way that people talk about you is on the line every single night. And you show up at work and it's Nick Young and it's Jeremy Lynn. And Shaq, Shaq got hurt and said, I got hurt on company time. I'm a heel on company time.

You would go insane as well. I get it. And he has every wife. to go insane, but it's more so about the people who talk about that shit and how they use to big him up. Yeah, if you are somebody who sees that and sees Kobe go insane and tell Smush Parker that you're worse than fucking litter, I don't think I would be like I want to be just like him.

But you got it. Imagine you just broke up. Sorry. With your partner, y'all won three championships in a row, went to another finals. And then they said, we got Kwame Brown for you. I'm cursing everybody out on the job.

Two days. You can have HR here. I'm a curse HR out too. I have to do it. It must be done. It doesn't make our top three though. Okay. All right.

Next. LeBron isn't clutch. Fuck, man. We got hitters. I mean, listen, it's kind of topical. He was open six last night. He's 41. Dude, come on now.

Oh, no. Now, no, nothing else matters. He's been 41 for a year. Don't act like he just started yesterday. The age stuff is ridiculous. What he means ridiculous? He's 41. He's conveniently 41.

Performatively 41. Unfortunately, he's always 41. When he's, when LeBron is good, oh my God, he's 41. When he drops 5% below.

Oh my God, he's 41. What else can you expect? No, it's not. That's the same thing. It's impressive when a 41-year-old does good.

So we talk about it and it's understandable he does bad. He's good or he's not good. That's the thing about him in 41. He's not going to be good all the time. You're missed. You're understanding the issue

but having a problem with this. You can't give him all the praise on one side and there would be no downside on the other side. Yes, you can. If we were playing catch and I had one hand. When I caught it, you'd say good job. When I miss it, you'd say he has one hand. You wouldn't act like it's crazy to glaze me when I caught it. I have one hand.

If I throw you the ball 10 times, if you have one hand. If I, if you have one hand, no, stop that. No. If you have one hand. I'm taking them both sides, pause. If you have one hand and we're playing catch and you catch 10 passes in a row, you have clearly shown the ability to catch. So then whenever I throw you the ball

at the same speed, whatever, nothing changes, and you drop it, I'll be like, damn, man, why'd you drop the ball? Then you're an asshole. Damn! What? I have one hand. No, I don't like Donovan cooked again.

Well, first of all, no, he did it because LeBron's been old all year. He's never been consistently amazing, which is why we have to have you. Forget about Bronn. In this situation, you have one hand. If you set the ability, if you set the expectation. If you have one hand, don't be around Donovan.

You cannot be around him. If you set. the expectation that you're able to do something and then you don't live off and then you don't run. Ron has not set the expectation. Forget, bro. I'm asking you about this. To the one-hand people out there.

No, what you're doing is complete manipulation, the arguments. Again, I don't care about this. I'm asking about this specific thing. But that's an insane premise to say, if I never miss, duh, but we're not talking about someone who never miss this. So it's an irrelevant point. If you catch the ball eight times out of ten. He doesn't play amazing eight times out of ten.

If you do that and you show the ability to do that. And you showed the ability to do it. Is it then wrong to ask you to catch a ball? No, but that's a false premise that has nothing to do with anything. Nobody suggested that. Listen to the one hand people out there, you better catch the ball every time. Because there's no excuses. Or just don't catch it at all.

Yeah. Honestly. Honestly. If you don't want to play that way, don't play. Don't play. Don't even catch the ball. Don't. I don't really care.

I think for the most part throughout the entirety of the year, even last year, too, whenever LeBron does something, people just tip their hat. Wow. That is not true. He doesn't have anything. LeBron didn't watch this fuck all year. What are we talking about? The tip of their cap?

Yeah. That is not true. And it's because LeBron is the most polarizing player of all time. You are either going to give LeBron all the glaze in the world or you are going to give him all of the slander. He doesn't, he doesn't exist. No, that's how you are because you ranked the top. No, that's not true. You've ranked up like a top 10 offensive player.

You just said it's true. We're describing not doing that and now you have a problem with it. We're describing being nuanced. understanding the negatives and not going to mother slander, hold on, we'll also appreciate the upside because he's 41. And you're saying that's wrong. We need to be polar opposites. Your point is we shouldn't be nuanced.

I think for this, for this specific life, one, successfully did my job. Two, Skip Bayloos was on this last night. And that's the only reason why I feel going back and forth. Because he called him LaBrick and it was funny. I do think that like if LeBron misses, Mr. Schott, it's okay to say he, He wasn't clutzed last night. Yeah. And it's like,

it's fine. Okay. I think that's okay. Okay. I also think this is a lot. All right. Does it make the podium? This is.

I don't think it does. I think it does. I think it does make, yeah, it is. Do we want two LeBron things on our podium? I think this is a big a lot than he can't play in the 80s and 90s. Don't replace it.

Or do you want to have multiple LeBron things? So LeBron has a lot of lies told about him. That's glazed. It's true as well. It's not even. It's kind of true. Everyone lied about you. You know, stop blazing.

If we have this graphic at the end of it and it's three brawl lies. That's blaze. That's blaze. Yeah. So what do you want to do? Replaced it. It's not really.

Replace it. But we don't think it's, you think it's one? So do want to have only one player? I actually do think this is a big of life than 80. and 90s. I do think it should be one. Okay.

So no one shifts and... Just replace it. Just replace one. We'll have a one LeBron quota. We can't have more. Okay. Too much. Too much.

What if it's true? It's true. All right. Next lie. People overstating T-Max all-time potential with all the what-ifs as if as if we didn't get several... Oh my God.

As if we didn't get several years of teak. Keep going to do you guys. Take your time. As if we didn't get several years of peak T-Mec. Thank you. Good job. Many people do exaggerate it. I don't know if it's one of the greatest lives of all time, though. It is true that he did get robbed by injuries to some degree.

But him and his teammates, like a lot of those years, his best players were injured, so he went into the playoffs under man. Man, I don't care. I don't care. We're playing in 2003. If you are out here and you're scoring, 33 a night, you shouldn't be blowing 3-1 leads. You had an opportunity to get out the first round multiple times, and it did not happen.

Yeah. And I'm putting that on you. So I don't, it's also not one of the three biggest lives. Yeah. But it's a lie. Okay. It's a lie. Yeah.

Team Mac is glazed, apparently. Fair, fair, fair. Yeah, his potential is probably a lot. All right. Next. Shea needs free throws to be the MVP. One. Greatest lie in the NBA today.

Put it out one. This is the most nonsensical thing. It really, I'm joking about it being one, but like, it is. crazy the mass psychosis of NBA fans on Instagram and Twitter and shit that truly in their hearts have been led to believe that Shea is not an elite player and it's only good because the reps decide him to be good. It's not even like a small thing people say. Half the NBA fan base believes that in their hearts.

It's crazy. Man, I was reminded of how bad Joel Embed's foul baiting was this weekend. All that Shay had went away. There's real foulbating demons out there. Yeah, we just came from era of Harding and Embed. Shea's light. I ain't going on. Light as fuck.

Light as fuck. It's crazy. The fact that we're here if people really believe this. This is one of the greatest lies of all time. It's not better than it's not greater light

than the Lebron things I think but it's up there. Are we putting a podium? I think it kicks off Gobert. Does it kick off Gobert? I don't think so. Dude, the gap is dude, people really think

Shays a fraud. Like they're not even joking or just slandering. They really think he's not like that. He is in the conversation right now more than Gober is. He's the MVP of the league and they just won the chip

so more people are talking about it. He don't respect him. If you tell, if you go to a fucking park and you see a bunch of teenagers and tell them Shay's the best player in the world they're gonna cook you. Yeah, you're right, that's true. Forget teenage grown men.

Oh, even worse. You go to four year olds? We were hooping the other day and somebody like called, there was like an argument about a foul call and the dude right next to me was like, we're saying like, oh yeah,

we're doing this just like Shay. Like it's a real, it's a real thing. Yep, and they think. And it's not. That happened to me too. Yeah, like it's true. It's got to be bigger than Goldberg, I think. I think it is bigger than Gember.

Okay, that's fair. All right. I can like mush Gobert into the no defense of the modern NBA because they just don't understand how impactful that stuff is. But I do think those top two probably are a bigger lie than the Shay thing. Yeah. All right. Next. The Don is 25 when he's actually 32.

It is a lie. I'm not 25. Oh, I just read the Don. My bad. That was kind of glaze. That was kind of glazed. That was kind of. the Don is kind of

I bet respect to you Is Donovan C really 32? No, I'm not Are you sure? How many people will call you 32 before? I remember on that one draft stream that we had They said you're dating Harriet Tubman or something like that I remember how that spurt

They said he remembers Pangia Yeah, I'm not 32 I'm not 30 yet Has whenever people like try to guess age do they usually go like above the mark or what i don't know i've been in this like i feel like 25 27 is probably the range do you rather be 25 or 32 what the hell i think 25 yeah why don't you want you want to be young yeah why would i pick 32 even when i'm more mature you know what i'm saying yeah but athleticism though you got to remember who you're talking to you test talking about that's way

better than at 32 yeah it depends on my body uh could be peak at 32 but it's it could be but it's like Hill very good. Okay. Donovan did Harry Tuffie. Donovan remembers in the Great Depression was just last year. All right. That Steve Nash didn't deserve the MVP's,

pure Kobe bias. It's a pretty big lie. Hmm. No, man. This is just another instance. White man stealing something. They shouldn't have. This is a pretty bad lie.

It's popping out podium. But it is hilarious that people have just like accepted the narrative that Steve Nash stole MVPs. In the moments, I'm pretty sure everybody was okay with Steve Nash. match winning MVP. This is pure colonialism. What? Settler.

This is Scyop. It's a Siyop. It's a Canadian coming in. Take some, that's not his. That's funny. It's not funny, though, right? No, it's not funny.

But it's a pretty bad. This is a lot of, yeah. All right, next. That Michael Jordan would average 45 today. Laughing emoji. Thank you for having a laughing emoji. This might be a laughing emoji. He can get 40.

No. In a season? Like, like, Like a peak season, he can get 40. He can get 40. I don't think anybody can't. Average 40 in a season. I think he can.

He wouldn't though. Like there's no coach alive that's like, I need MJ to average 40 and we're going to be a better team. I think he could do it. Like, I think he could do it. Yes, if that was his mission, but like, we're not winning games. He's not going to be happy about it. If he didn't want to win games and he was like, I got an average 40 to prove the hate it wrong. Sure.

So could Kevin Durant in his prime. But like, nobody would ever want to do that. We've seen hard and like damn near do that. But I'm sure he didn't necessarily want to do it. He literally. to because there's no one else they're able to create. And nobody's ever going to have higher usage in 2019 Hardin. If he didn't average 40, no one's doing it.

Hey, man. Dermite. Okay. He might have higher usage. 45? Yeah, 45 is a lot. I think 40 is like the maximum of maybe what could happen. Yeah.

So you don't think this is a lie then? No, it's a lie. 45? Yeah, I think 45 is a lot. Yeah, 45 is a lie. Okay. Is it a party? Yeah, because Hardin also has that.

that usage and he's a playmaker too. Jordan's like I'm I'm taking the shot. Yeah. Okay. Is it podium? Nah. The other ones are such common narratives that these got to be on there. I don't, listen,

45. 45, that honest, it is a very popular narrative. It is, but do you think it's, it's like a, the other ones are more consequential that people like really believe this in conversation.

The Jordan thing is just some shit that old people say. That kind of falls into the LeBron camp playing the 80s and the 90s. Yeah, yeah. It's not unique enough, I think. Okay. I think that's it. Okay, so what is our final podium? We have LeBron isn't clutch.

We have no defenses play in the modern NBA, and that Shea sucks and is only good because it's free throws and the rest like them. That's a good podium. I think we got it right. Yeah. I think LeBron, 80s and I think could have been a part of this, but it's fair.

Too much glazed to recognize the truth. Come on, man. You got to be better. Unbelievable. You got to recognize real. You could definitely make an argument. There should be two Lebrons on here. Yeah.

The 80s and 90s one was kind of great. Now, but you gave him fuel, you were like, that is glaze. So you know that happened to. No, like I'm here above this? It's okay to glaze. Okay. So it is glaze, but you can donate. Yeah.

Whereas Donovan is anti-glaze. Yeah. Some might call it glaze. Some might call it showing love. You're just more tolerant than Donovan. It's fine. It's all about perspective. Yeah, perspective.

Type shit. Where's Donovan's perspective? Where is it? I don't know. You don't know. Probably. Where's my mouse? They try to work on my perspective.

Next thing we're going to do Past couple weeks We've been making the seven levels Of every NBA position We did point guard two weeks ago Last week we did shooting guards Naturally today Who are the seven levels

of NBA small forwards Who's level seven? Who's the best small forward right now? Are we gonna give it to Tatum Even though he's coming off the Achilles Come on. Sure. No

Sure, why not Who else would give it to? Jaylon Brown, I guess. Stop it. If I'm starting a team today, I still want Tatum. We are going to so the seeds.

Ah. Of deceit. Wait, I think there's more. If we're trying to sow dissent, I think we go Tatum 7. Jaylon Brown's 6. Jaylon Brown will be pissed that he's not 7.

Oh, we're discussing. Oh, we're starting a war. If we're starting propaganda, let's put J.B. Still number two. Okay. He's level 5. They used to this, man.

Oh, good. Katie's in LaBan level 5? I would say Braun. Yeah, they're the same tier. Yeah, that type of like, still great players, but they can't have the burden that those top two tiers

are able to. Yeah. Okay. Or are they on Jalen Brown's tier? Is Jalen Brown the same tier as Tatum? Should we even do that for a row? I don't think Jaylen Brown's the same tier as to him, no. That playmaking.

In the grand scheme of things, yeah, the playmaking thing be. So you think Jalen Brown should be level six outside of the jokes? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. For Tatum, Brown, Brown and KD. Okay. But we'll have Bronner as the face.

Okay, Braun. So we have Tatum, when he's healthy, assuming he gets back, can be your lead playmaker while being a good defender and score. Level two can be your high end score, not a lead playmaker. Level three does a little bit of everything, but he's a little behind. now physically. Number three, to people like LeBron,

you just can't be the best player in team anymore. Who's level, that's level four, right? Five. That's level five. So who's level four? Who's right below that?

Is this Paolo level? No. Palo's Power forward. OG and nobody can be a part of these conversations, I think. I think OG is one below. Level three is elite role players?

Yeah. Okay. So if OG's three, who's level four right above OG? It's like a low tier, all-star type of type of five. Is Denny above OG? He can be he can masquerade as a franchise player,

but you don't really want him to be that. Or is, any better than LeBron now? I don't know. I don't think so. You just don't want to say that, those words out loud? No. I think we're right. Franz Wagner, level four.

Franz might be. Franz and Denny? But you don't want to say Denny's. Oh, no, we're putting below LeBron. Yeah. Yeah. I think Franz might be you. I think Franz is a good poster boy because we think he's all-star level,

but he's still like a sidekick and isn't quite producing that level. If Franz is who we thought he could be for sure, he'd be at level five or whatever. But right now he kind of exists in the middle. Yeah, we're trying to say, we're saying like free Franz right now. Yeah, free Franz. Yeah, so France. Like it still tilts backwards. It's not backwards it.

Gotcha. So Franz at level four. OG at level three. Okay, so elite role players, three and D goons level three. Yes. So I think like OG Jada McDaniels are, that's what I'm thinking about, what I'm thinking of tier three. Okay.

Thinking of guys, obviously elite defense, you can, you can hit the three. is going crazy right now anyways. But if we ask you to create for a good team, it might get a little spooky. Ah, yeah. You will be a tank commander. If we said OG and N-O-B, number one option. Isn't it a crazy?

O-G makes $50 million to not create. That's crazy, man. Provides value in other ways. He does, he does. He does. He's an amazing player. All right, so level two, you're not a shitter, like level one,

but you're below an elite three-nd-d player. It's like a Samhouser. Samhouser. Okay. You're like a one-way specialist. Three-o-o-D. or D-0-3? Yeah.

Now, do we want somebody who brings a lot of D or brings a lot of three? Are you a bigger fan of D or three? D. Depends on the mood, man. Then if that's the case, we're picking a Sarr-Thompson. Say it louder.

D. Yeah, big D-O-3. A Sart-Tompson level two. Sars a D-Sometimes. Level 2. Sars a D specialist. Yes. Currently the best D-Knower of the league.

Jail and Dern. We're doing with you. What the fuck is Jailen? Dern got to do with this combo. I don't know. I just don't know what you just said. All right. Love one.

Let's say Rich Shane call today. He got ahead of the jokes. He knew who's coming. He said, just say it. That was smart. Just ripped the Band-Aid off, man. Someone's got to say it. Let it be me.

You just be out here. What's the next segment? So we got Rie and Shane, Assar Thompson, O. O.G. Anobey, Franz Wagner. LeBron, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum. Oh, yeah. It's pretty good. It's not bad.

Yeah, pretty good. Pretty pretty good. You have two of the best forwards in the league still going to get walked down? That's crazy. That's what you think. You better catch your days. It's about to be over.

Next thing we're going to do. I would love if I could play the sixers in the next round. Please make that happen for me. Because you don't want to play us? It would just be easy. Running. He's running. It just be easier.

Week. Why do you want the easy way? Not mama mentality. Not my mama mentality. Not very mama mentality of you. Got it. Oh, checkmate. You got me.

Next thing. I'm going to name some NBA points. Good job. I'm going to name NBA point guards. You tell me the first word that comes to mind. Okay. Describe me one word. Just what pops in your mind first.

Okay. Okay. First one. Magic Johnson. Passing. whoa yeah passive two but it's like whoa that's my first reaction B-s souls

ladies guy yeah I was gonna say my first thought was oh my first thought was outside y'all seen that one clip of him by the swimming pool what clip no were you doing the interview yeah it's an interview oh yeah let me preface it was an interview

what did you discover you're gonna break news here so we're thinking about Anything about the ladies man that makes sense those are the headlines Yeah, that's the magic man that's the magic man one of one nobody else nobody else possesses those two trades to the highest level he produces them Two peaks at once who else can say that double peaks well Maybe not the passive scoring you'd be scoring Scoring it's scoring your ladies man is well a famous ladies man too? Yes, yes. Yeah, okay

Famously allegedly slept with 20,000 women. I don't even think that's mathematically possible. Oh, it's mathematically possible. You just got to be committed. You got to be. You got to be about those numbers. You say, like, what's possible? Trust me, look at my numbers, right? No, just imagine Will in the 60s. I promise it's possible.

Wow. Put Will in the 20s? Oh my God. He's the final boss. final boss All right La Mello ball Why

Car car I'm half scratching my head no words reckless if I say clown I'm getting in trouble so

I'm not saying that clown no Nick Wright Clown no Nick Wright Jeff Curry I was going to say something But then knowing y'all, I can't say it Be true to you, say the first word of comes in mind

I was going to say wet Oh Yeah, you shouldn't have said that I know The shot is wet, what do you want me to say, man? Yeah, you'd be wet, it's fine Okay Yeah, Splasser brothers

I'm saying goat Oh, okay, blazing Goat shooter Threes Okay, everyone's boring today Sean Livingston Oh Forehead

Forehead Damn What the fuck It's Sean He does have a big forehead I was gonna say midi

I was gonna say long I was gonna Super rangy Long forehead I said ow Or long You said ow Yeah for the injury

Ah Ow is correct Yeah Ow Nice automotipia Shegildas Alexander Flop We just

We just had the conversation About it But yeah I would say flop For me, Canada. Canada. From over there. Converse.

Converse, good one. Let me go. Three, two, one. Shagel to Alexander. Corn Rolls. Winner. That's glays. That's glaze.

I'm just being true to me. It's the first word I thought of. Raina Felton. Fat. Big. I could have to say that. I was about to say McCants. McCants.

I was to say stout. I think I think it's a shortness more. Okay. How many words can we go? I know. Without saying the actual thing. Let's pull out the the sources. Sturdy.

Rajan Rondo. Fight. Yeah, I was a punch. I thought I punched too. Yeah. Brainiac. Smart. My goat.

I was thinking passing. But this is definitely another word. also annoying yeah I said annoying too he gives off that for sure yeah I think rondo could be maybe could be a little bit annoying maybe to be around definitely annoying to play

yeah as a coach when especially when you're like a very very good player it's like oh no he's he's gonna be annoyed at his team yeah definitely has a coach last thing we're gonna do today we're gonna play NBA who am I with a twist

you guys have 60 seconds to guess your player. Okay. So we got to think fast. 60 seconds, I guess my player. Yep. So everyone put their headband on. And you can do basketball questions.

Actually, doesn't fit around my hat. I don't think my hat off. So I'm going to pull a mo. Put it about how many ears or something. Oh, is my head getting bigger? Yeah, probably. Been there. Been there.

Damn doesn't fit mine either. Take it off. What are we doing? Let's put the pants off. You looked at it? No, I didn't. I didn't. But you pause?

Take it off. I'm all going to take you to figure it out. I got it. Oh, fuck. I had it. Bro, just take your hat. Hair day can't be that bad, man. No, when I put a hat on, my hair is like straight, so it gets, like, flattened.

So I look crazy. Yeah. Why would I take it? I just talk about it. I'm not going to take it. I just spent five minutes talking about him. Refusing to do that. Is it right?

Yeah. Is it a player we've done recently? I can't remember. Mo? Oh, shit. L. Hosey came wrong. B. Sol,

is this a player we've done recently? Mom, right? No. Okay. That's a coach. Do another one. Yeah, just making sure we don't do a repeat. Am I good?

Yeah, you're good. You're good, Donovan. Okay. I'm in? Yes. Yes. All right. So, 60 seconds.

You got the cameras covered. Do you have your cameras up? Yeah. It's on the four. Cool. I got timer right here. Let's go B-Soul first. 60 seconds to guess your player

3, 2, 1, go. Do I ask questions? Is he fat? No, no, no. Oh, a little bit, no. Is he tall? Yes. Is he Wembe? No, is he in the Western Conference? Yes. Yes. Wait, no, no, no, no. Eastern Conference. Oh, true. Eastern Conference. Current player?

Yes. Tatum? No. I say he's a little bit fat. A little bit fat. It's not a Raymond Felton. Also not a current player. I'm thinking out loud. I'm thinking out loud. Damn, who's chubby in the cat? Not cat, you're close, you're real close. Oh, G?

No, you're closer with cat. Oh, D not fat, man. How many seconds we got left? 30, 25 seconds left. Fuck. Bam? You're a 40 second, hurry up. Close to cat.

Time is ticking. Same top of player. I don't know. I don't know. That's good. That's good. He's fumbling. Oh my God.

He can't handle the pressure. Dominant big. Is he in the playoffs? Is he in the playoffs? No, he's not. No. 53. 54.

Musa Diabate? No! Oh, my God! He's close to cat. Oh, close to cat. You're in overtime now. Come on. What the freak is this?

Ask questions. Oh, uh... He's in the ease. Close to cat. Can he shoot? Can he shoot? Yes. But not all the time.

Not all the time? Yes. Oh, my God. Is he the average triple doubles? No. Is he a starter? Yes. Yeah.

Starter. He's been hurt a lot. He's been hurt a lot. He's always heard a lot. He's always heard a lot. A lot. Joel and B? Nope.

Real close. The closest thing to Joelle and Beebe. They thought he was in the West. Another version of Joelle and Bee. Jared Jackson, Jr.? Oh, you suck. This is Anthony Davis. First of all, we said that he's kind of chubby,

and you said, Musa Diabate? Do you work on that shot? Musa Diabate. What the fuck? Do you practice that shot? Musa Diabate? He was in a blender.

Is that what you do in the gym? No. No composure. No composure. No composure. No composure. No. Dude, me going first is already the setup.

All right, my turn. Three, two, one. Is this a current player? No. Is he fun to watch? No. Is this a player? Donovan respects?

Yes. Okay. Is this a player that plays good defense? Yes. Yeah. Would you say this player is cool? No. Is he funny?

No. Plays good defense, not cool, not funny. Donovan respects him. Is this Dekepe Matumbo? No. No. Okay. Is he similar to Kempe Matumbo? No.

Is this a guard? Yes. Okay. A guard defender, not funny. Donva respects him. Is he also good at offense? Yes. Could he be the best player at the championship team?

Yes. No. No. Did he make a finals? Yes. This is Gary Payton. No. What?

It's not Gary Payton? 30 seconds in. Oh, okay, it's not Gary Payton. Did he play in the 90s? No. Playing 2000s? Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Jason's kid. No. What? Good defender. Point guard? Yes.

Okay. Great defender point guard from the 2000s. Raj and Rondo. No. Oh my God. You getting closer. Western Conference? Yeah.

Eastern Conference? played in 2000, probably played in both. Good defender can make a final. It's not Jason kid. Oh my guy. Chris Ball. Yes.

Chris. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Bro. That was at like 59 seconds.

Wow. Good job. Holy shit. Wow. Sick. Wow. Sick. All right.

I'll go next. That's not. Yep. Fuck in. Three, two, one. All right. It's this guy black. Yes.

Hell yeah. It's this guy. It's your wing Kind of no Okay Does he play today? Yes Not a win

Okay Is his team a playoff team Yes they are Are they in the Western Conference? Yes Mm-hmm Is my guy At his peak

Maybe not yet Not yet Okay so he's a young player Was he drafted in the year 2023? No No Fuck

Okay I thought this is Cade or potentially hollow Yeah okay Okay Has my player been an all-star? Yes Yes

If he's one of the better playing in the league Okay is his team in the playoffs Is his team Is he currently like Playing in a plows Is his team eliminated? No Not eliminated not playing

Okay Not eliminated not playing Oh shit how much time I got left Six seconds Fuck six Not limited not playing And he's Is he a guard?

Yes. This is Anthony Edwards. Yes. You got it at 59 seconds. Fuck. Wow. Oh my goodness. It's a fake word.

I'm sweating. He's like exasperated. The victory took everything out of him. He lived through the finish line. Oh, fuck. All right, darling. You see it? Yay.

Three, two, one. Go. LeBron. No. You always do this. Why do you shoot reckless shots? Is he a current player? No.

No. Did he retire in the 2000s? Yes. Is he a Hall of Famer? No, maybe he'll make it, probably not. No. Did he ever make a finals? No.

No. Did he, was he a consistent all-star? Yes. Not a lot of years, but he was an all-star level player. Was he a defender? A good defender? Yes. Kind of.

Is he a guard? No. No. Wing? Nope. No. Big man. White?

Yes. No. Nope. African? No. No. No. Keep asking, though.

Jack? No. No. Back with the right stuff. Asian? Yes. Y'all mean. Yeah.

Yo, you were cooking with the race stuff. Keep going. Kletch is hell. Got to work on my shot. You're trying again? No. You want redemption? No.

You sure? No, take one more. I'm so stressed. Take one more shot. He's so stressed. All right. You got this, man. You got this.

We believe in you, B. We believe. Just knock out the easy ones and then don't forget about your old questions too. All right. Can't forget about your old questions. That's so key. Okay, okay. Everybody has to. Everybody has their go-to moves. Was it weird that I as a man put his player in his head for him? No.

It's a very efficient. Okay. You see a player. Gotcha. Three, two, one, go. Current player. No. Black.

No. White. No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. He's white.

Pay attention to be. Racial? No, no. No. He's white. He's white. I don't know what the fuck that was. All the Famer?

Yes. Made it to the finals. Yes. Best player? Yes. Jason Kid? No. Oh, Jason Kid's not white.

Come on. Stay with me. Did you make it to the finals in the 2000s? Yes. 23 seconds in. Dirk? Yes. You cook it, B.

Hell yes. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. Chuck your shit. Boom. Boom. Boom.

Boom. Hey. And with that be said. We'll see y'all next week. Shut up, these fools! Shut up, these fools!