The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Thing We Learned About Every NBA Playoff Team | Ep. 86

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

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All right, man, what team do y'all want to start with? Let's start with your team, right? Let's start with some despair. I don't want to. No, no, we're going to start with some despair. Fuck that you have no option. Your team is fresh off of a loss, all right? Isaac, the Lakers just got their backs pulling out.

Again, not for the first time, not for the second time. This is like 10 times in a row at this point in time. And I want to know how bad does your back hurt? And also, how do you feel as the Lakers fans right now? Damn, it's 11. Oh, my God. 11 times in a row losing to this team about to be two sweeps in a row every single game in the regular season how do i feel if we recorded this after game two fresh off of that game then i would have been in despair after seeing jemal murray just ice my team after coming back from down 20 but now i'm just like i don't even care i'm rooting for the thunder at this point i'm just defeated this white man has taken all basketball dignity i have it's whatever i love it welcome back to the new episode, as you guys see by the title, we are reacting to the first round so far of every

playoff series telling you guys one thing we learned about every team. We're actually recording this Thursday night. Late as hell, it's 955 PST right now. Game 3 the Lakers just ended. So it's our rawest, freshest reactions to the Thursday games. Listen, if I'm going to be up at 2 a.m., editing this part for you guys, that's what we got to do for playoff basketball. It's 1 a.m. where I'm at right now. We're putting in real pain for you guys. All right. I'm going to be up until 1.30, 2 a.m. making sure everything. is sent to Ida so we can divvy this shit up and also send it out to you guys bro please tap in with y'all man god so yeah if we're watching on youtube drop a like and subscribe audio platforms

rated five stars leave a review make sure more than ever now that you guys are tuning into live streams every Monday because you know playoff games are happening every day so within a few days things change dramatically and we have the live streams between every episode so you'll get a lot of reactions to games between the episodes there so definitely tap in there and watch just even if it's a VOD it's not necessarily live facts facts facts Tap in. Let's get straight into it. We're going to go through every playoff series.

Let's start with Lakers versus Nuggets. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. So real simple, we're going to go through every playoff matchup. We're going to talk about it at large. What we've learned in these few games,

with specifically each of us have a list of teams to give our main one thing we've learned. Okay, so first of all, obviously, we all came to the series knowing the Nuggets to win, right? Nobody really, really disillusioned to think otherwise. 100%. We knew that. Are you surprised by the ease in which the Nuggets are winning? Did you guys think it would be close?

No. Like, okay, if they sweep them, I will be shocked because I kind of pencil in at least one game for lebron led teams in every scenario right the only i think the only time that i like expected a sweep was 2018 in the finals and like he did get swept but outside of that if lebron's on your team no matter how old he is you kind of you just you give him that respect you say they're they'll get one game it'll be a little bit you know a little bit more respectable but nothing crazy but the nuggets are clearly like the better team um so we're at three oh and yeah man i'm not really really shocked.

All of the course. Yeah. I think I'm more shocked in how they get in it done because to come back from 20, midway through the third, that's, like, that's impressive. To come back from 14, 15 in game one in the second half, that again is impressive. Lakers came out in this game, gave them their best punch. Didn't really matter. Still kind of come back, come back.

It was as big of a comeback, but, you know, still fight back, do all this thing, gain control again. And it is where it is. So it's not, that part is kind of surprising that the Lakers just can't hold on to any lead possible. But the Lakers were up 10 in every single first half of this series. They have literally three for three came out and won the first half, or at least won the first quarter. They've done exactly what you want them to do. They've asserted their dominance inside, got into the free throw line, played Lakers basketball, played pretty solid.

And it does not fucking matter even a little bit. The Nuggets find a way to wear you down, out-execute you down the stretch every single play, wither down that lead every single time no matter how big it is. And it's just everything we've talked about when we talk about this Nuggets team being the finals favorite for the whole year. We've been almost like dismissive of the Celtics because we're like, listen, Yokic is going to win the finals again. We truly believe in this team. And this series is exactly why. The Lakers are a good team playing good basketball and it is irrelevant.

Yeah, I mean, this is the inevitable. We've all talked about it since probably the start of the season since literally, Game number one of the entire NBA season. We saw this shit happening. Game number one of the season literally felt like an extension of last series. And we're just seeing part two, part three of this saga now. And at this point in time, like, if you're a Lakers fan, all you have to do is just bow your head down and accept defeat,

your chilly outmatch from head to toe it feels like. But at the same time, you have to be encouraged because did this fight feel better than last year? Why would it feel better than last year? No, I don't have to be encouraged. You're still down for you. Why don't fuck what I have to be encouraged? Yeah, you still down 3-0. You know what?

We're down 3-0 with AD playing some of the best basketball of his life. He went, he's been going to ban for ban with Yokic. He had one game. He had 32 points, hyper-efficient, defended pretty good. Obviously, he's not going to be out here stopping Yokch because no one is. But outside of that, has played well on both ends. His mid-range shot is falling. He's been physical down and low attacking mismatches.

There was one play in this game three where he put Peyton Watson under the basket in the first quarter. It was none of that up and down shit we saw in this series last year. We're getting truly dominant AD, gave Vincent's back, giving them good defense. Awesome Reese is playing well. Again, but it doesn't matter. So, no, I'm not encouraged because nothing, even best case scenario isn't good enough. Though it's not best case scenario because D.Low was still shitting down the side of his leg. And that's the problem.

The nuggets tonight shot 17.9% from three. The Lakers could not capitalize on that because they shot 18.5. percent from three like they can not yeah they they cannot find advantages on anywhere again against this team and we're just going to keep going around in circles saying it but when yokech is when he's controlling the game the way that he does and you get down to the fourth quarter you get down to the third quarter whatever time of the game that you want and he leans up in that chair and he's like all right guys it's time to play like there's there's no coming back from that.

Yeah. Another underrated thing that we're seeing make a big difference in every asset of the series, especially this game. Michael Porter Jr. and Aaron Gordon,

if I look back correctly, they both shot over 60% from the field. And then we pulled their shots exactly. MPJ had 20 points, 10 rebounds, 50% from the field. Crazy.

Aaron Gordon, 29 points, 15 rebounds, 66% from the field. The way that the Nuggets have the ability to have a size advantage at every single position 1 through 5 on almost every single night,

Jamal Murray is 64, big guard, KCP, 6-5 with a long wingspan, big guard, and then those two giant fours I just mentioned, plus obviously Yokic, that makes a big difference, because there's so many plays where the Lakers play decent defense, they're rotating all around, but then you get

Gabe Vincent stuck on MPJ, who rotates, does fine, MPJ attacks a close-out, rises up from the mid-range, and has a foot above him where he doesn't even see the contest. That ability to attack a mismatch, or not even really attack a mismatch, but just have a size advantage on every single attempt you want to get, it's invaluable. Yeah,

even on the defensive end as well, during this game there's a play where mpj was matched up against a barn not to say like mpj's no fucking stop or anything like that but you'd be a damn fool to realize that this dude made or to not realize that this dude made real defensive stride stride and at the same time like there is no real weakness or no real player you can like pinpoint and bully and try to expose that's out of like i don't know i guess i'm all murray at times but even then it's like wonky because he can have straps whenever it's most important too so for the lakers i just sit down and i see this team and i'm just like bro like you have to pick a struggle and they can't at this point in time because you guys

you got guys like de angelo russell who just puts up inexcusable performance he played like 24 minutes tonight put up as many points as you isaac that's embarrassing you were like 20 miles away from that arena you have no business putting in putting up similar stats as the angel russell it's embarrassing all right I'm like I'm like I'm probably like six miles away

I can smell Danzer Russell shit we're nice lake from here but uh but coming into this game I don't

let me see what the update is but for the first two games of the series there was zero bench point score by the Lakers besides Tori and Prince Kai Sennat is out here

hoping getting points for us but nobody else off the bench that's ridiculous and then last Nikilda sent us a tweet LeBron and AD

outscore Yokic and Murray by 13 points today 53 to 40 The rest of the Lakers starters had 17 points The rest of the Nugget starters had 49 Listen, no matter who it is The Nuggets are just a deeper team And the supporting cast is proven to be better Even though LeBron and AD are playing

Arguably just as good as Jamal Murray and Anthony Davis and Yokic Doesn't matter because we know That the end of the day The Luggets are so good Because they had the perfect starting five They all fit together perfectly And that was the question

mark all season for the Lakers. We do that going into the deadline. They chose not to address it and be patient for the summer. And it's Biden them, right? Like, it's very predictable in that way. Yeah. Yeah. It's over.

The series is done. Like once you blew a 20 point lead in Denver, it was a rap. And everybody, like the old adage is like, no, the series doesn't start until somebody wins on the road, yada, yada, yada. The series was done before it started. It was, it was. I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that.

Because that was the theme of today's games on Thursday. All the home teams that were down 2-0. They all came back in one and made the series 2-1, except for the Lakers. So almost every other series, we're still waiting for the home team to finally lose. This is the first one. This is the series that's over. The rest of them are still TBD. Listen, listen, magic, we're going to talk about them.

Shout out to them because they hooped today. I think I'm giving up on there. Yeah. Okay, well, let's do the things we learn about each team here. Mo, what's the one thing you learned about the Nuggets? They're your team on your list. The inevitable. Like, there actually, there's nothing really that I learned about the Nuggets at all.

They're who I thought they would be. Like the struggles were pretty much non-existent other than like, you know, coasting at times or whatever and knowing one to really like Donovan said, like lock in and lean forward and kick teeth in. It's really nothing I learned, bro. They're the same old, same old team other than maybe the only thing that I like really understood is like how dominant they are and how they're starting to reach new levels of greatness. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. For what I learned from the Lakers is pretty much a lot of confirmation

bias, not confirmation bias, wrong word, but a lot of confirmation of what we knew like you said, we knew their supporting cast wasn't good enough. We know the starting backward isn't good enough because we know Dela can't be relied upon in a playoff setting. We know the bench isn't good. We know Darwin Ham isn't good, all this stuff. What I learn mostly is that Darwin Ham is out the door very soon because Anthony Davis was very frustrated after game two, and he said

in a post-game interview that sometimes he feels like they don't know what they're doing on the court, which is pretty clearly a direct shot at coaching staff. I would think, or maybe it's players too, but, you know, some accountability for organization, and Darvindham was asked about the next day. Sorry.

Audio listeners, there's a meme of Darv of Arthur, the Ardmark, that little kid show with him and his hands at his fucks and they're like, Darwin Ham, it's probably fucking hilarious. Yeah, after that game, Darvinham basically just like said, Falka A.D.'s talking about. He's just frustrated. I think we do a great job of being organized. That man has never taken accountability day in his life. And I feel like that's probably coming, that's probably becoming very apparent to the players in the locker room. So I think we're coming close to seeing a pretty clear dismantling of this coaching staff.

100% yeah we learned that and we learned that at this time next year there's absolutely no way that angela russell is going to be on the roster like he can he can the same kind of cycle can happen next year where you're going to go into the off season you're going to start the year and be like okay well delos is going to get traded trade talk delos going to fire up he's going to start averaging 20 points a game so shooting well los angeles lakers rob polinka do not be fooled you cannot trust this man and he needs to be gone because you can't go through another playoff cycle

with the Angela Russell as your point guard and getting multiple multiple nights of one for nine oh for seven oh for six right

you can't you can't do that with the angelo Russell so I learned that he will be off the team next year yeah 100% everything I didn't even bother touching on that because all that stuff

we knew about the Flossus roster readily made apparent no backup big no ability to throw somebody with size on Yokic so AD can help. Ruri Hachamora is in hell trying to guard Yokish one-on-one. That's a ridiculous sentence.

Why is Rui guarding Yokich one-on-one? Because they didn't address that and bringing another big that can stretch the floor. We knew that's a flaw. We knew the backcourt didn't have enough defense. We knew DELC couldn't be relied upon. We know they didn't have enough shooting. They didn't have enough playmaking. Dan, we didn't help that.

All these things that proved to be true that we already expected. Now, there's nothing to say. The series sucks. It's over. It's got to be sweet. Yeah. At least they know what to do once the offseason starts or whatever just find real players with impact that's one thing when you also see the

Denver nuggets in terms of like what a truly dominant team looks like even if what a player's known to do on the court even if he's not hitting shots or whatever impact is still felt if mpj's not knocking down 40% of his threes he's still grabbing rebounds he's still making his presence known with his size and all the roaming that he does at that size you know what I'm saying and as for the Lakers, Dilo, yeah, Rue Hachimir, yeah, I can't really say that. Listen, we're going to get into

some pretty future-facing conversations about this Lakers team pretty soon once they get officially eliminated, so I guess we'll save that for the following weeks, but this team is going nowhere fast. I'll say that. Tough. What's the next series you want to talk about?

Let's talk about some real basketball. A second loser in the day. Let's go ahead and talk about the New York Knicks versus the Philadelphia Dolph in 176 I'm so, so, so happy,

bro. Not because the Knicks lost. I lie. No, you are. You're happy because the Knicks lost. That's okay.

Accept it. We saw Joellen Bede who has half of a meniscus, half of a working face, put up 50 points in a playoff game.

Easily the most dominant game that we've ever seen him and he's at like 60, 70% health right now, bro. and in the fashion that he did it was so impressive bro he was hidden from everywhere defense is defense bro i'm just like and all the outside of him too everyone else did their job kelly ubrey showed up and did his things defensively even though like jillan brunson

did his thing or whatever whatnot and kelly uh what's his name kyle lowry was impactful too as usual tobias harris was just standing there and doing tobias harris things man but joel and b showed up I know I hit him too Sixers fans despise Tobias Harris And I've always I knew he was been disappointing For the past few years And I obviously understood the reasons

Some reason until you see it In a playoff series I can forget every year Who Tobias Harris is And then the first round starts And I'm like God I understand why they want this guy's head on a spike He just runs around

And miss his fucking layups While these all these shooters are open Like I understand why they hate him Like obviously I'm not a sixers fan So I'm not that pressed about it Let him stay there make his money but I get why they have so much vitriol for him because his lack of vision

and his ability to take the shot no matter how open he is every time he touches the ball and miss all those shots is breath-thaking. Yeah, he was four of ten tonight. Also, he goes to By the Harris game.

Yeah, four of ten, O for two from three, eight points, five rebrands, noises. Yeah. Okay. I mean, yeah. Well, Donovan, give us a recap. Obviously, you know, game two was game two.

They, your Knicks stole the game in controversial fashion. Yeah. Came into this game. Like we said, series is a start until somebody wins on the road. That continues on. What did you feel was the difference in this game in the last one? Um, so the, I mean, the difference in this game was the third quarter. Because, I mean, throughout the, throughout the first half, it was really, really kind of even.

They were going back and forth. The Knicks were able to come back, take the lead going into halftime. And then the third quarter came in the Sixers, lean forward in there. They're like, we're just not going to miss a shot. Joel and Bid, I'm not going to miss a three. They went ballistic. And it really felt like that moment felt like the time where you're playing math. Because the Knicks weren't inept on offense in the third quarter.

Like, they were fine. They were okay. But they're getting twos while the sixers, every time down the floor are knocking down threes. And Joel and Bid is just rising up, taking threes. So that ultimately was the difference in the game. If you want to go later, the Knicks had a lot of unforced turnovers when they're trying to climb back into the game. They fouled way too much. Like if the box score and like the team summary, all that stuff is fairly similar in terms of like three point in terms of like three point percentage, right?

Free throws, or free throw percentage rebounds, all that type of stuff. But the Sixers get 14 more free throws than the Knicks. and that ends up being kind of where they make their living and Embed gets 14, 15 free throws on the night. So that's the difference. So the Knicks had opportunities to win this. They did not. But we really got the full Joelle Embed experience tonight.

Like you got... For sure, 100%. You got Joel Embed being dominant down low. You saw him... You saw the mid-range game. You saw the pull-up three game. You saw all of it. And at the same time, you also got the dirty foul bait and stuff that he does all year long.

Let me tell you something. Joel and Bede shouldn't even have had the opportunity to score 50 because he, oh my goodness, the flagrant foul that he did on Mitchell Robinson in the first quarter, Mitchell Robinson, they're going up for a rebound. Joel and Bede is on the ground, grabs Mitchell Robinson's legs while he's going up. And he's lucky that they called it a flagrant foul because I promise you, if anybody did that to Joelle and Bede, he would be crying and everybody would. be talking about oh my god how dirty mitcher robinson is oh my god the nix get to play

football every single time that is a dirty play it's a dangerous play he should have been ejected and the and the sixer should never been in this situation at all i hated it it should be upgraded to a flagrant two and he should be suspended for game for it is ridiculous that he was not thrown out of that game i'm so mad if carlton towns if carlunuchetowns did this they would have sent him to the guillotine it would have been awfuls what is this This is actually, like, across players, not obviously, like, I'm pressed about it because, like, I'm a Nick fan. But if anybody did this, this is a flagrant two foul. This is dangerous to be grabbing somebody's knees while they're jumping up and you're on the floor.

That's crazy. Yeah, that's ridiculous. I've never, I've never once been like, this guy should get ejected. Yeah. I'm very, like, not pro-ejection. I don't know if I say anti, but I've never like, get him out of here. I saw this and I was like, he should probably not be in the rest of this case. Like, this is kind of ridiculous.

If it was any other player for sure, if this is Kyle I were doing some shit like this, he would be out immediately. If it was Kelly Ure or some Paul Reed, someone else out immediately. But we all know why he didn't get ejected. I understand why. I understand why. But that's crazy. Yo, if you go to the NFL, this play is outlawed because Tom Brady tore his ACL in that exact play because somebody's on the ground and they're tackling him. You can't do that.

You can't do that. And listen, Nick Nurse, he's saying I didn't see him. He's saying that he didn't see the foul. Straight out of Steve Kerr's book whenever Draymar Green does something wild. Steve Kerr's like, I simply do not see. I don't know what you're talking about. But Nikiel, I sent you a tweet.

Can you pull it up of at the very end of the game? There was a play. Joel and Bede set the screen on Josh Hart. He got away with it as well. I'm not, listen, the game was already out of hand. It wasn't going to affect anything. But this right here, that right there, watch this right here. He's he's coming up.

Josh Hart is trying to get through it. Backs up, throws his hip into it. You want to talk about the, oh my goodness. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. Who cares? Is that even, that's not illegal, is it?

No, it's not legal. No, it's not legal. And bro, when we did a TikTok like months ago and we're talking about like how fun it is to rate people's games and I said Joelle and Bede is like 10 on a good day, brad at the same time he's also like a six because he does stupid stuff like this and you were getting upset. This is upsetting. This is ridiculous for a guy 7-2-2-80 to just be throwing his body around like that, the

entire game. It's like, bro, the idea, it's funny on, it's funny on Twitter. And I think that like the phrase is hilarious. But like literally ethical hoops is so freaking like he's just, it's so frustrating watching Joel and get into his foul baiting bag. And that kind of stuff, like Mo said, if it was Kyle Lowry, Let Patrick Beverly do that, right? Let Kyle Lari do that.

Let Draymond Green do that. They're suspended for multiple games. They're fine. It's flagrant twos. Everybody's calling them a dirty player. Joelle and B. needs the same exact treatment. And that should have never happened.

That should have never happened in today's game. You should have never had the opportunity to score 50. I'm so pissed off that that happened. Oh, my God. Okay. So on the actual part, what happened on the court this game, I think it was kind of just like a return to normalcy a little bit for the Knicks

They won the first few games Okay so going into it The 76ers Obviously would Joelle and Bede Have just so much firepower To beat the more talented team They're obviously like it's gonna be a close series For reason

We saw the first two games be won On the margins in very close ways Because the Knicks were rebounding Like 44% of their offensive rebounds That's ridiculous Almost half the time they shoot They were getting their own rebound That just made up for everything

on top of the fact they were shooting over 40% from three as a team and even until tonight they shot 44% from three again just an absurd level of hot shooting for an extended period of time

you get that many second chance points and you hit that many three-pointers the math is on your side but tonight they had the same exact offensive rebound percentage as the Philadelphia 76 years did so in the end if that's going to happen

you're not going to have that huge advantage and Joella Beat is going to cook do his normal stuff in the mid-range get all his free throws do normal Joel and beat stuff then you have a much better chance of winning. You also have a better chance of winning when he injures Mitchell Robinson and he goes out in the third court. Mitchell Robinson doesn't come back after halftime. If you watched,

if you watch in the first two games, the reason why the Knicks have been able to tire out Joel and Bede is partially because of his knee, but also you've been able to throw multiple looks and multiple bodies at Joel and Bid. And for somebody that good, that's what you have to do, right? You have to, you have to be able to throw different things, different schemes, whatever, just to just to tire out just to keep him honest. The moment Mitchell Robinson goes out and does not come back from halftime, Joel and B, obviously, it's like, oh, I don't have

this, like, I don't have a guy who's 7-1 guarding me. Yeah, let me get whatever I want. He had 19 in the, in the third quarter. He went off. There's that. And on top of that, listen, shout out to campaign, because campaign, because campaign,

if we're actually talking, if we're actually talking about basketball, the sixers have had like the first two games Embed has been good and he's been great and the Sixers have won those minutes they've lost the minutes that he's been on and the bench is giving them absolutely nothing right

campaign came in today play limited minutes was who've been he had several big threes several big shots a lot of big plays he gave them the punch and the stability that they needed to where normally when campaign was doing his stuff that's normally when the Knicks make their run overtake the league kind of spread the game out

and then now the Sixers are fighting from behind. They didn't have to do that today and they were even the entire time because of Campaign. So I do want to shout campaign out because he was doing his thing. Yeah.

Campaign had 11 points. That's a first double-digit bench player for the Sixers, the whole series. That's all they've needed because Buddy Heald isn't doing anything. Tobias Harris isn't doing anything. Okay, well, I'm glad you said that because let me get to the thing.

Moe, I'll let you cook. The first thing, I think, because I think you have the other team and actually Donovan's Nick. But I have the 76ers as well. one of my teams from my one thing I learned. The one thing I learned by the 76ers is they desperately need to use that cast space at summer

because they're supporting casts outside of Joel and beat and Tyrese maxi blows. There is no scoring impact on that bench or even in the starting lineup outside those two guys. Those two players account for over 60% of the team's total points, which maybe isn't that uncommon for a top two duo. But when you watch on the court, like I said, Tobias Harris,

sees ball, shoots the ball, misses ball. Kyle Lauer has played well, obviously not scoring punch. Buddy Hill was brought here to be a tertiary option and be able to, ideally you would think in a perfect world be better when Joelle and B comes back in the lineup because he can use the gravity of Joel and B to hit these open threes. He played four minutes tonight

because he is a non-factor on both sides of the ball. He hasn't scored double digits in any of these games, hasn't scored double digits since three games before the playoffs started, I think. Complete non-factor. There's no punch outside of those two guys unless you're praying for fucking campaign to score 11 points.

Yeah, exactly. That's what campaign he came into the game doing what buddy he was supposed to be doing throughout the last I don't know like 10 whatever games like you mentioned Isaac him be coming out of nowhere and just like hint threes

talking shit and all this stuff is like the perfect unfathomable jolt of energy that they need and it helped carry on all the momentum that they had you know and sealed the deal and if he can do that on a consistent basis obviously

you know it's a huge to ask but so in my campaign campaign is alright he's a good player he had a good couple years exactly he's all right he's fine yeah and

for him to for him Kyle Kyle Larry Ubra and Batum and all his other stuff like you said I 100% and 10% agree with you

my biggest thing with them is like they just have an absurdly weak surrounding cast around Mbid and Tyrese but to see them just give them something, anything, just a little bit of something will help carry them to the future that I predicted, which is like, yo, I think we're going to see the Joel and Bid run finally

happened. And if random moments like this continue to happen, then I think it's going to be fulfilled. You still think you're going to see that happen this year? For sure, yeah. I think they're going to make it to the user conference finals. That's been my prediction this day one. Okay. Yeah. This game is still too close. This series is still too close to call. Like you said, several times. No way to tell until the home team loses. Sure. Maybe I'll still lean in the Knicks, but again, it's so tough, man.

Donovan, what's the one thing you learned about the Knicks? Well, I learned that Jericho Sims is about to get some burning game four, because I mean, I don't know what the status of Mitchell Robinson is. But, I mean, they, I kind of learned, really what I already knew is that they're going to need to make a move to get another. creator outside of out of Jayla Brunson because he was he finally had a good game in this in the series but it's a lot to put on him and like OG played really well and he was able to do a couple things but we've seen Josh Hart elevate his three point shot if Josh Hart regresses to where

Josh Hart normally is the Sixers have they might win this series right then you're relying on guys like Duce McBride and Dante Diven Chintel who have played really well but Those shouldn't be your second options on a 90 basis, especially once you get to like the Eastern Conference finals, hopefully, right, with this team. So they need somebody to go help Jalen Brunson because the Sixers have done a good job of making him work and he just can't be as efficient as he was in the regular season because of all the length, right? all the amount of dribbling that he has to do just to get to his shot, the amount of beating and fouls that he's taking, they have to go into the offseason. Maybe it's Julius Randall again and he's healthy next year, but they need somebody else alongside him.

Hey, man, thank God the next one of those first two games because they have like four people on that team shooting over 50% from three. So thank God they capitalize on that hot shooting variance. It's going to be a theme we see in a lot of these other series we're about to talk about. Shooting variance is a motherfucker. in the playoffs. That is what decides a lot of these games against two comparable teams. So for them to get out of it, too, oh, when they have that on their side, is essential.

Yeah, I 10010% agree. And if you guys are cool with it, I guess we can move on to the next team. It's, I believe I have the Boston Celtics. And it comes to shooting variants, bro. They got absolutely cooked fried, blown to smithereens by the Boston Celtics. The heat, you know, black magic. Yeah, by the Miami Heat. black magic do voodoo stuff that we've been talking about everybody's been talking about it worked

it was a parent donovan please i hope you like have some special black magic protection around your house because you said that this shit was dead now will they run the series i don't fucking they're not going to win the series happened like still grabbing a game like that in such a fashion randomly and just seeing how the boston sotics were in just like despair i'll for not figuring out how to you know go over these bands out of bio screens that are very illegal, but they're very effective in their playoffs. He said so many illegal screens. I'm glad you said that shit. That man is the dirtiest screener outside of Draymond Green. It's disgusting. It's hilarious. Yeah. So if you

guys somehow don't know, themselves came out game one, beat the bricks off the heat. As expected, no Jimmy Butler. Game two came around and then Miami Heat set their franchise record for most three-point makes in a playoff game. They hit, I believe, I believe it's 23, yeah, 23 for 43 from the three-point line. Crazy. And the two people that we thought, or not thought, but that have proven to make the Boston Celtics an O.P. team this year compared to last year, Chris Osbergis and Andrew Holiday, the two off-season additions were absolutely horrendous in this game.

K.P. was like one for nine. They were begging him to attack mismatches, and he was doing it, and it's something we saw him do with success, I think, more often than not in the regular season. It was at a big addition that made them so unbeatable when he played. this game let's switch Hamehakis on him Tyler Hiro on him Caleb Martin on him

he could not score down low whatsoever and maybe maybe you know that's just the heat being a great scrappy defensive team that has really good

really well coach techniques getting into his body making him uncomfortable that's Miami Heat basketball but Drew Holiday proved to be playoff Drew Holiday once again

this is the same thing that Bucks fans warned Celtics fans about for all the great things Drew Holiday does defensively He is so massively unreliable as a score in the postseason to the point where it's so consistent. He is he is who he is, right? We can't even be surprised anymore.

I believe over the last few years, his playoff splits have been like 40% from the field, 30% from the three point line. It's all just wildly inconsistent. I remember when this trade first happened after the bucks got dame or whatever, we felt good, obviously. But we're like, Drew Holiday isn't the type of player to go ahead and solve the setting up. the table issues for you at all because that's just not like what he does on a consistent basis you know but exactly um and that like shows with this game right here not to say like you was a terrible player whatever the case may be but in terms of like you know what we know the Celtics court issues is he is just like a very cheap band-aid putting over the massive wound

in my opinion yeah exactly i think we have some difference in opinions on this because i know obviously we've we've long said before the season that the selects need a point guard and then when they did this everyone was kind of like oh they got the point guard and i was with you mo i was like this is not the point guard to decide that this is not this is probably the 21st best passing point guard in the NBA and that might be being generous this is probably the 21st best going point guard of the NBA you know he doesn't solve his offensive issues at all oftentimes it doesn't matter given how it's talented they are but it's going to be a problem eventually when they face the best teams in the world when they've come across the Denver Nuggets it's going to be

issue. And that's, you're saying it's going to be a problem when they play the Nuggets. When they get to the finals, yeah, like, like, we'll see, we'll see how that, you know, like plays out. I think they're going to be okay because, again, like, do holidays, their fourth option. This is, this is why for me, I had Boston first in our power rankings. I picked them to win the title just because I think that their talent is going to win out. And in Milwaukee, it's different when.

Chris Middleton goes down, and now Drew Holliday is your second score. And you need him consistently to score and not only create for himself and also do catch and shoots off of Yannis' stuff, but to also set everybody up and guard the best player. That's like you're asking him to be Michael Jordan, right? You are asking him to be the best two-way player in the series. That's different when you also have Tatum, Brown, Derek White, Pozingis, all that other stuff so that's like these games should happen but they should have never been

in a position to be down this way i understand miami shot crazy it's one game i'm not going to overreact about like the trajectory of the south takes but games like this is why people clown them this is why people don't believe in them because it is you're you are the number one seat at home in game two against a team that doesn't have their their number one score right They don't have a lot of options. They don't have Jim Bellet or Terry Rozier. They're top two, like, on-ball creators and stuff like that. And you get beat.

Like, this is, come on. This can't happen. Listen, it can, though, and it will, because this is the modern NBA. Shot variance is going to be a thing because we're in the modern NBA, and three-point volume is at a massive high, and people haven't come around to realize that there's going to be less and less sweeps than it ever has been before. It's going to happen because this is...

I'm not saying... I'm not saying the sweep, though. I'm not saying the sweep, though. No, I get it. But this is going to happen. We're going to see this just happen sometimes. And listen, Bam out of Bowdo. In the fourth quarter to close the game

with his mid-range jump shots go to. He was playing really well. They got that lead back in the third quarter because of a lot of made threes. They were left open because the game plan was to leave them open and have their worst shooters beat them because that's how basically every team

plays defense in the modern NBA. And sometimes those threes go in. Sometimes Terrence Mann makes nine against Rudy Gobert and all people remember is those threes went in. This is just how it is a modern NBA. And I know we like the clown in the Celtics because all the reasons that, you know, that the Celtics, they have all these expectations and always fail.

So they have a tight rope when it comes of scrutiny. This is just the NBA now. We saw a game two a couple days ago where another team was at home down 20, right? And what do they do? They said, okay, let's lean forward, let's lock in, let's go get this win. And that is the team that many people think

is going to win the title. I understand that the teams get down. I understand sometimes. Kayla Martin decides to turn into a knockdown three-point shooter and he just doesn't want to miss. I get that that happens. I understand that you are also playing against supernatural forces in Miami Black Magic.

I understand all of this. But the way that they lost to the heat last year, the fact that this is not game three, it's not game four. this is the second game of the playoffs and you are allowing everybody you should be as locked in as you should as you should ever be especially for a team that is unfinished business like they are you retooled these kinds of games are the data points that people can point to and say no like those you should you should you should not be having games like this and they end up having more games

and more data points like this than all the other teams in terms of at the top, especially teams that have 60 wins, historical net ratings. You don't have the same confidence about the Celtics that you do other teams that have that statistical profile

and it's because of outings like this. We also think they're ranking the finals. You said, I don't want to overreact. That's not an overreaction. That's not an overreaction. I just said, I don't think, it's not like I'm saying, oh, they're going to lose in the first round.

But the Celtics, the Celtics have over 60 wins. They were 15 games better than everybody else in the conference. And nobody cares about anything that they do because they are championship or bust. And nobody thinks that they're going to win the championship because everybody's looking across the aisle, across the conference, and saying, yeah, Yokic is going to win. And you should never, you should not look at a team as talented as Boston and say like not like we're just we're just throwing them out the window because Denver's

about yokeish more than it is about them but I understand I'm happy what's the one thing you well what's the one thing you learn about the Celtics uh yeah I mean like the this is one thing I learned about the Celtics going back to it drew the Drew Holiday thing and Chris Osprezingis they are like the true X factors for how the playoffs swing out for them no one is shitting on just Tatum like that at all or Jim Browns they played fairly well on the offensive end at least um and yeah like were they cashed in most of those chips drew holiday christops for the biggest they are the true x-factor they determine how high they go ahead and fly this post season nice okay but donovan what is

the one thing you learn about the heat on the air exposure i don't even know if i learned it but like air exposure is just solidified like you just can't you can't go into any series thinking that you don't have a chance if Eric Spulster is your coach. And it doesn't matter who's on the floor. He's going to, he's going to have the guys ready to play. And you just have to be on your piece and cues if you play the heat and Eric Spelior's coaching because it's going to be crazy. What did you learn, Isaac? I didn't learn a damn thing.

I didn't learn a fucking thing about this team. I didn't learn shit. I did learn. And I have more confidence in it more than ever when it comes. the Miami Heat, me, you, Nikiel, and Donovan, if we got signed to a 10-day contract and we're put in for five minutes,

five minutes during a regular season game, we wouldn't get skunked or blown out. I think Eric's defensive mentality and how, in the philosophy and also, like, of course, like a little bit of black magic or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like instilled in us, we'll hold up a good, a good run.

Spoke and teach me how to hit off the dribble 3s off of DHS, I can promise you. I'll be shooting 42% from the corners if I played very explosive. Yeah. Next series. Who's next? Let's talk about Minnesota Timberwolves versus Phoenix Suns. Coming into this series, I had hope that the Suns would at least push it to 7, I thought. And then I thought about that logic, I said, okay, if it actually goes to 7, that means

that the Suns figure something out and really shows some weaknesses match-up-wise that they could exploit like they did in the regular season and I picked the Suns to win it in a seven-game series. But knowing

that we know what the Timberwolves can do with the size they have with Rudy Gober defending at the highest level so it's like we'll see what we get from Kat and that can be the deciding factor. Katz looked amazing.

Carl and Anthony Edwards in game one looked amazing. Game two, not so much human from the field but Rudy Gober has been defending his ass off. Jay McDaniels took over in the second game. Their size is

thwarting the suns in every single way and it's one of those things where it made sense on paper it made sense logically i think the suns had a chance after two games i feel like the suns have no chance anymore i'm completely the other side i really i'm really believing the timberwolves after these first two games okay look what do you guys what do you guys think okay so the timbulbs are they're on my like little portion of teams that we have so i learned that i actually believe in the Tim Wolves to potentially make the finals. Listen, I'm not going that far, but I'm with you. I believe in them to go very high.

Like I, like if they play, if they play Denver, which I guess it would be next round. Yeah, if they both win. Yeah. It's not going to be. So they will. They're going to play different. Yeah. It's not going to be a five game series the way that it was last year.

No. And I think that they can push Denver to seven. And if you get to a game seven, anything can happen. I yeah I learned that I really believe in what they're doing more than I thought that I would coming into the postseason so

it has been wonderful to watch all the Rudy Gobert haters eat a dick I was vindicated for the past week because everybody's realizing okay maybe maybe maybe everybody that was defending Rudy Gober for

the past five years was right maybe once he has good defenders around him you'll see he's an amazing defender that can defend on the perimeter doesn't get played off the court in every playoff matchup like the idiots on Twitter say he very much has been vindicated

for basically all the flaws that people have in his game he's showing that most of it obviously he's not a perfect player especially offensively but the people that have criticisms of his defense have been proven to be mostly

people that don't know what they're looking at yeah this is the series of Rudy Gobert's life right now like anybody who's ever hitting on just show him a game or this entire series and he just

this is like what his legacy this is what those four defensive player the year soon to be five like this is what it's for he but you know what's great sorry what's great go ahead i keep going on my bed i was going to say even offensively the some of the passes that he's been making he's been hitting a lot of free throws i believe from this series he's about like 14 from 16 or something like that from the line he's well known to be like a 60 uh percent free throw shooter this year or throughout his entire career so even seeing him get it done on that end of the floor is just spectacular and all the moments where there would be

like him passing it out on the perimeter like we just saw on the screen and isowing or being in an ISO against KD or Devin Book or unable to just like maintain and move his feet and the hips and just not be a cone like people swear that he is. It's just beautiful to see. And this is just like a legacy defining moment for Rudy Gobert in my mind because I like you, Isaac, had the Phoenix is winning the series. You know what's great? You're 100% right. Everything you're saying about this being the series of his life,

legacy defined, whatever. Sure. He's just playing regular Rudy-Goberer basketball and people are finally understanding it because, like I said, he has a team construction and actually allows his defense to shine. He's not playing any better than he would

in a regular week. This is just him being Rudy Gaubert and people don't have the biases of seeing other people hold him back defensively to be able to point to and be like, oh, he's a scrub and all this stuff. It's just winning. at this point he's talking to you Donovan listen is not the word Donovan isn't

Donovan isn't that serious Donovan's just like I think he's lame we will always have 2019 we'll really go bear haters we will I will always have the clip of him spinning around chasing Terrence man so I don't I don't care right it is it is always have Bo Yom Bogdanovich's ass not being able to defend anybody Jared Jordan Clark's ass not being able to defend anybody no no no no no that's what you always have. No, no, no, no. I know what I saw.

I'd be spinning around, too, if there was four cutters coming here every time. And I'm like, oh, God, who am I going? I'd be doing circles, too. Let's go deep here while. Let's figure it out. Let's find something. Let's find something. You're the worst.

No, no, he's been, he's been playing well. And I've also learned that Carithee Town is kind of, he's okay, you know, right? In a playoff setting, he's okay. he's not great i've been so encouraged he still had some of you know the car Anthony town moments but very true this is the role that he should be right car anthony town should not be your number one going into your number one offensive option going into a playoff series but if you have anthony edwards as you're one also if you have scotty pippen 2.0 and jada macdainiels who's also scoring to

25, then yeah, Carl Anthony Town can just, you know, he can just do what he needs to do, a little bit here, a little bit there, and everything comes together. I think that, I think that the series is over. I think that the Thunder,

I think that the Timberwolves are probably going to get this in five. Because I do see a game where, I do see a game where like, at the end of day, it still is, it's Devin Booker, Kevin, right, and Bradley,

but they're going to go crazy one game. And so I will get to that. I'll be shocked if that doesn't happen. But Andy Edwards had a bad game in game two. And you'd think if you're the sons, if there was ever a time to capitalize off of a bad anti-Edwards game, it would be game two. And you look up and you still lose by double digits. So it's not a great situation right now.

He had 15 points, shot 25% from the field. But along with those 15 points, he had eight assists, was. playing tremendous defense. It was bringing a great decoy at times and just getting all his teammates involved. He wasn't forcing it as like times we would see like throughout the prior years of his career, you know? I'm glad you said this. Right now, Anthony Edwards is looking like he's making the leap.

He's out playing Kevin Durant and Devin Booker in his series. The Kevinner who we say is a surefire top 10 player. And the Devin Booker who we say, in my opinion, surefire top 10 player. Worst case scenario, he's top 15. I was like you said that, Moe, Donovan said Anthony Edwards had a bad game and they still cooked. The fact that Anthony Edwards had a bad game shooting-wise, but everything else was great and he played along the scheme, helped make everybody better, played well defensively, that's the difference between this version of Anthony Edwards than the one we've seen in previous years. Last year in the playoffs, he was scoring his ass off. You saw the glimpses of this guy being a true superstar playoff riser in the making.

now we're seeing a full well-rounded player that doesn't need to have a shot falling to be able to impact the game and make his team better because the people around him are good enough to pick up that select. Exactly. And that's the difference. That's the difference.

It's like, okay, if your shots not falling, what else are you going to do? How are you going to impact the game? And someone like Anthony Edwards has learned to impact the game in a myriad of ways, whether it would be, of course, like facilitating the mass, then sane defense that he plays on a consistent basis,

whether it be, you know, guarding KD, D, Book, or Bradley B, or being a, fucking help defender whenever you need like he's everywhere at all times you know and yeah i sit here and not to flip this year but i just feel so sad and sorry for like the phoenix suns and their fans because it's just like you see all these issues and a lot of these issues would be fixed offensively if they just had a point guard sometimes i see their office and i'm like damn where the three pointers at i see too much iso ball at times there's no off ball movement and all

those things just lead to me saying, oh, it'll be fixed if they had a point guard. Oh, it would be fixed if they had a point guard. Oh, point guard, point guard, you know? Yeah, I'm glad you said that because this is my team on the one thing we can learn about every team. And what I learned about the suns is I fooled myself in the back half of the year by telling myself there's a reason to believe in them. And we were right from them, we were right about them once they made the Bradley bill trade. Because once I made the Bradley bill trade and it was clear to us that they were probably going to play Devon Booker point guard. Some people were like, listen, he's a good passer, which I agree with. He can be a James Hardin type and be the next guy to move to point

guard and really unleash his playmaking and scoring and yada, yada, yada. I was like, what the fuck? Why? He's the best shooting guard in the league for a reason. Because he's fantastic off ball, versatile enough to be able to obviously be on ball and use his pick and roll game, being above average passer. But what Mason special is the ability to play next to another guard and uses offball movement, uses cutting, use the versatility of being the guy that's not always with the ball in his hands. That's what made Devin Booker special. He was a good passer for a shooting guard

as a secondary passer, but he was never like a dime you up in the pick and roll guy. So what I learned about this team is he needs to be a shooting guard again. Point book is not going to work for everything you just said. The offense needs organization.

Doing this, everyone's the point guard stuff. It's almost like when the nets were like everyone's a coach when Kyrie said that. Oh my God. That's how the fucking sons view their point guard position. Sometimes it's Bradley Bill.

Sometimes it's Devin Booker. Sometimes it's Kevin Durant when he's not staying in the corner doing nothing because everybody else is playing, killing basketball the lack of organization we were right to point it out when the trade was made we're right to point out that all these guys do the same things we're right to point out that now they have no ability to build around the edges of the roster no ability to add the physicality

needed to add the defense the dribbling everything needed everything about their team outside the top three is too light too unphysical don't have enough dog on them don't have enough shooting and don't have enough anything in them and the three guys don't complement each other enough to make up for it yeah that's yeah that's something that that we talk about talk about a lot and I'm I think going into the offseason league wide we're probably going to talk about it a little bit more because there's there's like in three and a half there's three and a half guys in the league in like the last 10 years I guess if we say 10 years four guys there's four guys who you can say you can be our lead score and lead playmaker and just be

you know heliocentric offense it's yokech it's yokech it's It's LeBron, it's James Hardin, and it's Luca. And outside of that, like, correct me if I'm missing anybody, but outside of those four guys, everybody else shines in this particular thing and everybody else needs a point guard. And I think that we, like, it's something that we talk about a lot with Jason Tatum and we're talking about it with Devin Booker. You try to make guys grow and, but you think that making them grow

is making them do things that they are not good at. And granted, they can get better at that, but turning Jason Tatum into Luca Donchage is not necessarily going to make him better. Making Jason Tatum the most elite score and defender to where he doesn't even have to really worry about playmaking, that would be better for him because it elevates everything that he's naturally good at. And you can go get a point guard that can worry about all the playmaking stuff. And has this person gotten a shot in two minutes? Has this guy gotten this? Like, you can do all that. So I think, I agree with you.

I think like the point guard thing is massive. And when we talk about wings, that's going to be a very, very key part to team building moving forward is getting a guy who can set up the guy for your squad. 100%. Is this something I said about Jason Tatum before we saw the move that did make last summer whenever we all agreed coming out of last playoffs and something had to change? Because those four guys you mentioned, a lot of GMs, a lot of coaches want to make everybody this point forward. It's the LeBron influence, the Hardin influence, like you said.

Not everybody needs to be a point forward. Some guys are just good wings. Some guys are just good off-ball scores. I think it's people taking the wrong lessons from the Antoni offenses and the way everybody's gone. I hope you're right and we see some overcorrection for that because teams that just have wings and no passers piss me off to no end. Celtics last year clippers before James Hardin. Now the sons, my least favorite archetype of team. Everybody needs passing. And it's almost like teams. have realized any shooting and now teams realize any in size but you need passing as well you need those big guys that can shoot to be able to make place for others as well it's just as

important as the other stuff yeah i feel i remember a couple of weeks ago i don't know if it was on a podcast apm mondays sometimes tuesdays tap in uh or if it was a regular often times tuesday yeah but i remember we were sitting here talking about man like so many teams these days are smarter and they don't like make dumb ass mistakes or just do idiotic things well that may be true there are still very stupid teams here they just know how to hide a lot better and the feeding suns and spotlight is on you because you have a bunch of dofaces nematodes morons like i don't know what it is but they just have a lot of those types of dudes running in that front office bro it's just like what they have is a new owner new owner syndrome is real they want shining new

toys they want to come in and make a name for themselves it never fails it's sick man it's sick i feel so sorry for them but i will say it will say though chris paul need to go and they didn't give up a whole lot to get bradley bill so still don't think it was like the stupidest trade in the world they had to get rid of chris paul and i don't know how much better you're gonna get i don't know i still disagree with that i'm chris paul's cooked man they had to something had to change yeah well bradley you're cooked with like for two years and you're have no choice of body. You can't do shit because Bradley Bill has the most damning thing than anybody can ever have on their roster, which is a untradable contract. No trade clause.

It's crazy. I understand the gamble. I never thought I wouldn't have done it. But it wasn't the worst trade in the world. But listen, it hasn't worked out. So I can't exactly argue for it. It's tough, man. It is tough. Anyways, that is a four series we've gone through, four things we've learned about all these different teams, or I guess eight things, that makes us exactly halfway through each playoff series. So that means the time for a producer corner. Woo! Yes, sir.

DeKue, where are you at? All right, Nikol, what do you got for us today? All right, man. Listen, you know, we're all like a quarter of the way through our lives here. Not me. The fuck? How old are you? Existential.

Listen, that. You don't got to answer that. Give the viewers the ballpark. How old are you? I am not 25. That's all you need to know. Oh, okay. Okay.

What a weird way to say 24? Exactly. Anyways, we're all a quarter of the way through our lives. Listen, I'm starting to get some old man takes, all right? I'm starting to get some boomer takes. It's because the back's been hurting a little more. The wrist has been hurting a little more. Every time I wake up, you know, I got to stretch a little harder.

So I'm entitled to these takes, man. I don't care what you'll say. Bro, the wrist has been killing me I thought I'd Listen, AD was holding his wrist earlier in that playoff game He's just like me Exactly

Anyway Anyway Anyway, yeah So I'm entitled to these boomer ass takes right So my take I'm going to ask you guys your takes My take And I've talked about this with you guys

And you guys didn't give me the support I wanted I hate When I go to the gym and I see these little youngsters wearing crocs and burks and pajama pants you know how disrespectful that is to just wanting to put work in I'm sorry yeah why do you care I'm sorry I'm more upset you guys don't agree with me if they wear pajamas I can't I can't we're there to work like if you're at work and you see a guy with like his toes out like broke

Can we lock in? Like, like, can we, can we be serious? I don't care even a little bit. I'm sorry. I can't get with you on that. There's times where. What about the pajama pants? I mean, you could wear whatever you want.

Like, it just, like, just, like, wear something that's, like, reasonable. But, like, there's times where, like, if I'm working out or if I'm, like, doing something with legs, I'll, I work out, like, without my shoes. So I do, like, I wear socks, but, like, my shoes won't be on. And so it's like. Huh? Yeah, because depending on the gym etiquette, flat footed. Oh, okay, that makes sense.

Yeah, depending on like what kind of shit. You take your shoes off at the gym? That's fucking strange. It's honestly not. It's just like we're in Congress or something, just like a flat base. Yeah, it's just so that you have like a flat base so that you're not like pushing off of whatever. But like I do that. So I can't get on people for wearing like Birkenstops or crocs like as long as long as you're safe and you don't drop a weight.

If you don't drop a weight on your foot, you're fine. do what you want I I also I want to preface I'm not I'm not shitting on anyone for exercising you're making themselves better but I understand this is an irrational boomer take I I'll own that okay I know I know I'm probably in the wrong here I'm upset you guys don't want to be qualities this take I'm no there's no sense of understanding I'm here not you're not good validate your feelings in the queue your feelings are 100% valid are they right no they're not probably not you know you deserve to feel like that Listen, just for that positive

No, you know Give me one of your boomer takes It can be rational or irrational How he told us that one What's here Oh yeah, yeah, I already told you guys One of my boomer takes, I'm sure Donovan, yeah, Fred, you said the whole

I don't watch movies or in TV I forgot it during the day I don't consider that Wait, y'all consider that boomer take I thought that just like a Just a Mo being Mo take I mean, we can call it what is That's some stupid Sigma male Andrew Tadass take

But we're gonna do Oh, no, no. That's crazy allegation. That's crazy. Brother, the comments were tight about that. Like, they were like, yeah, why I just got back from seeing a movie, Mo? Like, why would you say that about me? Midday is different. Midday. I should have added more context than that conversation. But I don't know. I think you said what you meant. I think you meant it. I think it's fine.

We talked about that for several minutes. You got your context. Yeah, you clarified. It wasn't out of context. Going out to the movie theater, completely different discussion. that's normally funny I don't know if you can say that one with that line of logic but I think what's your take what's your take my only boomer take that I realize I have I realize that Donovan you heard this when I said at the GM recently I fucking hate the state of music because of streaming on Spotify and how nobody listens to albums anymore I despise

it with all my heart that the only way that the new generation listen music is playlist that the norm is okay preface this back in like 2016 2015 back in like 2015-2016 it was like a joke that people would listen to an album one time and have an opinion on it it's like oh this one-listen review people did that as a gimmick

they wrote articles called a one-listen review because that was just like obviously like overreaction essentially now that's the norm now people listen to an album one time save the songs they like and never revisited again how can you possibly have an opinion on an album

if you heard it one time save six songs and never heard the other 18 ever again like the album was made to listen to from start to finish and actually taking the songs give yourself time for each song to grow on you and realize what you like and don't like, the fact that we just

have no attention span and listen to it one time and discard it. So many songs I didn't like the first time or didn't even like have time to like register the different things about it and have any opinion on it. I grow to be some my favorite songs ever. Like the fact that some people just lose that experience is crazy to me. See, keep going. You're cooking. I feel the exact same way because listen, first of all, people do that. You do that with Drake, but you don't do that with every other artists on the planet. Everybody will go back to a Drake album two, three years after it comes out, after you've already said, like, yeah, this album is not good. I don't like X, Y, and Z song. And you would just listen to it over and over and over again. And then eventually

you're like, oh, I actually, I actually kind of get it. Like, I understand what's going on here. And the fact that you would give it that chance several years later is one, a very fun and cool thing about music but it's also you have to be able to live with music and allow it to like set in sometimes stuff just doesn't hit the first time and you know the way that it sounds in your headphones is different and you might be driving down the street and now it sounds different in your car and you're like oh my gosh everything's click like I heard this one background guitar or I heard this you know this one line you need that for for music it's probably something that's being lost a little bit because of streaming right because everything's just like so

go, go, go. But, I mean, I definitely do agree with that, though. Yeah. People a year later are like, oh, CLB's actually good. I just not realized you would have felt that the first week, if you listened to it more than one time, if you didn't just say, oh, what's a random song? It's me. The remorse didn't click for me, not saving.

The second time you listened to remorse, like, oh, shit, he's fucking spitting. This is amazing. If you would have given the chance, you would have realized it before a year later. I wish I had that gene, like when it comes to the, listening because for me i don't like listening to albums like i don't participate in discourse for this reason i'm a daily mix one of them you're one of them no attention man it's fine no no no but y'all say this it's not like tic-tok brin i've always been like this like i'll just choose daily mix one or i'll shuffle

my life's on listen some people some people honestly like aren't into music like that and for those people like that's fine but if you are out here trying to participate in discourse want to be a part of you know rap the culture or like or yeah I hate that I'm saying it, but like if you want to be like a part of that community, then you should be giving albums and songs that artists more of your time to actually dive into into what they're doing. You just can't have an opinion on the album if you don't actually listen to the whole thing. Yeah.

Or listen to your favorite songs. Your opinion on the album is completely worthless. And that reverts back to like one of our last producer takes, producer corners. Everybody just has to have an opinion the second that they, you know can think of one and publicize it so they can be cool and blah blah call some shit trash it is what it is man it's tough there you go there's our old man takes now wait we didn't we didn't hear from don yet i i know you got a whole bag of them yeah yeah you have a thousand we've heard over the course of 85 episodes just pick one i ran we haven't heard

there's one that that's coming to my mind right now i've i've genuinely am starting to get annoyed. Yo, go out and get a haircut, fam. Like, I don't know who I'm talking to. I do not like. I don't like. I do not like. And I understand when we were like in middle school and high school 2015, 2016, the Duke haircut, right? Like that was that was a thing. You can get the little twist in it. It's like a, it's like a like a fashionable, nappy type of thing. Bro, go cut your hair. Like you. Donovan haircuts are expensive these days. Bro, you should not be out. Then learn how to cut your own hair because 45 this is an actual old man take this is not the end i i can i can i can i can't i can appreciate listen i can appreciate if you are growing your hair out that's fine if you want

if you want if you want if you want uh if you want braids if you want if that's your goal fine get a shape up every month like that's all that's all you have just lost the couple viewers man let's keep it let's keep it let's keep it clean right let's let's keep ourselves let's like you know I'm saying like let's let's be military kidding you come on like listen can we get a haircut I'll just say this we can keep it moving go back to the show but there's some stuff we can psychoanalysis than this take of years I'll say that let's let's get some places we can take this conversation if you want to and it's not it's I promise you it's not even on like what you're trying to say it's just that that does bother me though there's a couple things I'm trying to say

I know I know I promise I promise you it's not let's just like come on now Let's get a haircut Back to the show Thank you Let's go back Let's duck this Let's get a haircut What series

You guys want to do next Let's see Let's go through my list Who do I have next Oh let's talk about the bucks And the Pacers Because I have two things Okay

I have the Pacers on my list I have two things that I've learned in the series The first thing Is that the League does not care at all about the Indiana Pacers they've scheduled them on NBA TV twice and whenever this comes out

they are playing in a triple header and their game starts at 4.30 in the afternoon they do not care about giving the Indiana Pacers a reasonable time slot for the playoffs. They don't care. So that's the first thing that I've learned. The second thing that I have learned or kind of confirmed is that Pascal Seaccom is still that dude

and Pascal Seaccombe was in a terrible situation in Toronto, nobody cared, nobody liked him. And now he's in a place where they actually need his scoring. They like him because he is an elite talent and better than everybody else outside of Tyrese, who knows, but he's better than him too right now. Exactly. He's the best guy on the team right now. And he's flat out hooping.

And if they win this series, it's going to be because he's going in every night, dropping buckets, playing defense, shooting threes, doing all that stuff. So Pascal, shout out to you. You are doing your job. I've learned that people just want to see points because Tyrese is playing great. Tyrese is playing awesome.

He's just not shooting a lot because they're throwing a lot of hard doubles to him taking the ball out of his hands and he's content by making the right pass and keeping the offense flowing, putting Pascal Seaccombe in single coverage to attack mismatches and just letting the rest the offense eat.

And that's why they won the second game. He only took, I think he had eight shot attempts. Yeah. Played a fantastic game. He's still averaging 10 assists per game, 2.5 turnovers, really being a point guard in a traditional sense

like a pre-2015 sense and it works obviously I'd love to see IST Tyree's come through and be able to rain threes and be the top four point guard he was playing like

he's not scoring the level anymore but the way he's maneuvering the game and really getting everybody involved and keeping the offense flowing he's been very impressive to me yeah I like that I like that take although I still think he could be playing better you don't need to be like

putting up fucking 27 like he was way earlier in the season or whatever, but at times I do still think his aggression could be a lot better in terms of just like, you know, looking for his own stuff, because at times if you are the star player and you are the level of star that incorporates in your game, like you have to get certain buckets off to get your team out of those things because Pascal Seacom is not going to be out here being the clear one A at all times, you know, like he's supposed to be sharing that load. But regardless of the fact, I love, I'd rather see players not. force it and make sure everyone eat rather than like force it you know because that just

become into a very ugly game yeah I mean there's only listen he's a star but because of the passing mostly he's not a star score in the way like Anthony Edwards is where he can find a way to get to his spots and take tough buckets he doesn't have like a mid-range game he's not going to be traveling through contact defender of the rim if they throw a hard double at him and force him to hit the hard passes to the short roll and keep him moving he's just going to do that that's just his game right like I don't need to see him trying to fucking get to hesy tween-tween mid-range shots it's not his game so I would rather him just keep it pushing because not and be with himself because he's abnormal in that way because all the

other star point guards are also like high octane scores he can be that when the three-point shot is falling but he's a type of guy that you can double to get the ball out of his hands and you're going to have to build a team around that because he's never going to be the guy that just finds a way to get buckets either way which is so crazy considering what we saw in the first part of the season because it really like felt like that you know it felt like he was was like he was going to be able to to do both. But yeah, no, you're right. So shout out to the Paces because after game one, I was like,

uh, they're looking like like the young team that's getting exposed. And then they came back in game two on the road fought back, got to win. But again, in my opinion, that's because of Pascal. That's because he is putting this team on his back. So we'll see what they look like today whenever this comes out in game three. I had picked them to win the series because I thought that we were going to see that version of Tyrese, but if Pascal is going to do this, then everybody else can just fall in line and they'll be fine. Yeah. It doesn't seem my Jansson is going to play in the series

at all at this rate. He still hasn't been cleared to even get back to doing full contact activity. So if he's not going to play, you might be right. Pesha still have a very good chance to win this game. Because they don't have a ton of firepower outside of game. To double down on that, like Chris Middleton's like pulled into question too now. And his status is like he didn't practice, I believe, on Tuesday. And so his status is pretty unsure. But even if he does play, like, he has been absolutely great or the type of Chris Middleton that you need in order to pull a series off like this now that they're short-handed. So all signs is looking like with the type of defense at Indiana is playing on Dame during

the second half, especially, Dame just consistently goes berserk. And then the defensive mantra just switches for the pace. And then like, all right, all attention needs to be focused on him zap all of it or try to zap all of his powers and that's what they've been doing as of late throwing all these types of coverages and shit and making other people make decisions and they're just so limited you know they have only a few players who can they don't have really any players outside of chris middleton in matter of fact who can go ahead and break down certain defenses and make certain passes and shit like that and so they need chris Middleton bro. That's what I need. That's one thing that I learn more than ever. They need

Chris Middleton in order to even see the slightest of success. Yeah. The bucks are my team on the one thing I learned. I guess one thing I learned is a, I'm starting to think that it's true that Dame and Janus just don't, don't mesh. Will we see Dane play without, I said it's on stream Monday after game one. When we see Dane play without Yannis, he looks exactly like Portland. Damed me. And I think a part of that is obviously we talked at length in the past about their games, not necessarily meshing the pick and roll if we hoped it could and that Janus needs a ball in his hands

so does Dame, yada, yada, yada. I just feel like Dame is a very rhythm-based player. We've seen in the past he's had rough stretches, like start of a couple years ago before he got hurt. That's the season only played with 12 games where he was really out of the rhythm because he's coming off an injury and just looks like super washed.

Just the nature of him being a small guard that really relies on his shot, he needs to be in rhythm. And I just feel like he looks so much are comfortable when he's consistently has a ball in his hands. And I wonder if that's just like a trait of him. That's kind of unavoidable. If he's just not super scalable next to other lead ball handlers like Ayonis. Yeah. And I remember we had this conversation. I think we talked about like, okay, at this point in time, like who needs to bend the other way and figure out ways to fit between, fit around each other. And I think we came to a consensus like it

should be dame, but if it can't be dame, would you? Yeah, then what? You had need to ask Giannis to play a certain role, will he be happy about that? We've seen that he doesn't, you know, want to be necessarily a traditional big man. He likes to have the ball on his hands and all types scenarios. So it's like, what do you do at that point? It's hell of awkward. Yeah. Yeah, we can move on. This is not much to say. Yeah. We'll see if Janus comes back. We'll see what the series continues to be. But if there's no Janus, this will be a very close series that gets very little attention. Yeah. Tough scene, man. Let's talk about my favorite series by far so far because it has been validating for a lot of things I just stuck my flag into throughout the

season. O KC versus New Orleans. Who has what teams here? Let me check. This is like I said. Okay, I have okay. Yeah, I gave myself O KC because I got some shit to say. And then Mo, you have New Orleans. So as you guys know, New Orleans had a tough fought first game. We talked about on the stream last week. Many people left that game thinking, oh, it's going to be a series. You know, clearly they have the length to disrupt OKC, make him struggle, get them uncomfortable, all this stuff. Trey Murphy looks awesome. Herb Jones looks awesome. I agreed.

But I didn't think it was a good sign for them. I just thought it was them getting the worst case scenario out of OKC and still losing. So I left that game thinking might be five games because if they couldn't win that game, you're not going to get very many games like that where OKC shoots that poorly from three, given their ridiculous level three-point shooting across the roster. Game two came around and they beat the past. piss out of them. All the threes are falling. All the ways that the Pelicans tried to attack down low, really abuse the size of mismatches with Chet didn't work.

OK, C, won the math game. They flooded them from three point. They flooded them getting to the rim. Shea played great. Jada played great. The Pelicans have no answers. They're just purely outmatched. Yeah, I agree.

I remember towards the very beginning of this game, too, that we saw, Jonas Falunuchin was looking like fucking Shaquille O'Neal in this bitch, you know? and right at the opposite end Chet Hongram was looking like some insane like super sane Dirk on defense bro like he was he was

although like Yon's Falunus is doing the big ball big boy bully ball shit which worked at a certain point in time you know like what like you said Isaac in the numbers game the numbers just don't match up at all and with the consistent spacing that he was able to provide that was due

to Yonis Falunus being just you know, as Valentuna's big, slow, heavy-footed at times and can't navigate those things necessarily that well, they took the full advantage. And like I said, or like you said, you know, like the numbers just don't match up and they're just simply overpowered. Now, one thing I will say about awards is that I learned that C.J. McCollum, probably and definitely Jonas Valentunis can no longer, like this series right here should tell you all, everything you should need to know about this team and you have enough information just to make like hard line moves. Yeah, they definitely make some trades. I'm glad you brought off the part that Yonis Van Tunis started

the game looking like Shaq because I forgot who was commentating it. Whoever's commenting it was like, that's how you beat this team. You get them down low. You attack Chad Holmgren. Blah, blah, blah, because they started the game with three straight post touches, Jonas Valchunis and he scored on two of them. And everyone's like, whoa, it's Shaq's killing you like you said. That shit I think was a dumb a ass plan. And I say that because, one, if you are going to beat the most second, most high power offense in the league with Yonis Valentunus post touches every play, you're out of your mind if you think that's going to work. They're going to go down the court and get Shagull to Saddam's isolation points for possessions, all these three small, these elite shooters, and you're

going to get downloaded Yonis Valunis like 2005, one, that's bad offense. Two, he's going to get so tired and worn out, and you got him to have to run the other side of the court and guard the perimeter with the stretch five, it's a ridiculous game plan, I think. I find it very strange that they left game one and saw him feasting on the boards, feasting on putbacks and dump offs and said, what we need to do is put the ball on his hands and not keep letting him do those tertiary things. It shows you that they know that they're overmatched, right? True. They got to figure something out. Exactly. Right. The one area that everybody in the league feels that they can get OKC is, oh, we can out rebound them. We can bully ball them inside.

And so after losing a very close game one, Will the Green is like, all right, this is all I have. Like, and also normally, and normally they would, that would be Zion Williamson barreling every play into Chet Hogan's chest. Yeah. And so they have that just in the back of their mind of like, well, if Yonis can do 55% of that, maybe we'll be okay. So like I can, I can, I can understand the logic behind it. but man it it set them up for a beat down uh that was i was crazy in game too i'd also i learned about okay c i learned that i don't care what happens for the next 10 15 years i want jdub and shade to play together for the rest of their careers i i love them together and i think that they

did you say on stream that you like you were barking in your living room yeah yeah and oh damn this is why you need to tap in on streams you're barking on the stream too it's crazy bro shay yeah she she hit something she hit some some crazy shot i think uh twist the end and uh and i saw like they showed a clip of jdu barking and i just started barking i was like bro this is this is so fire yo shout out to okayc too shout out to okayc because their fans actually put on the the t-shirts in uh in the arenas this is this is actually my real old man take i hate that that the new school fans don't put on t-shirts in an arenas because you mess up the vibe of the playoffs right the whole guys we're trying to be a community we're trying to do that but yeah everything was working

i was all in on on okayc in the series and j dub is fantastic like the defense that he's been playing is awesome she really settled into she settled into him uh into his his offensive game in game two he found he found his rhythm and it feels like they have new Orleans figured out and what we saw was up then due to Brandon Ingram like a lot of had him in know he's underrated around the league and stuff like that I feel like he just necessarily wouldn't be in a certain he'll never reach a certain level of stardom like top 10 top 15 player because of how containable at times his game is now whether it'll be like you know he's just coming back and of course like it's easier to guard when you have less offensive threats

and also the shit very understandable points but seeing what J. Dub and Lou Dwart have been able to do with him by just like giving him no real breathing or more space at all and seeing how, I don't know, for some weird reason, it feels like he's just limited. He's just limited. And it is

true because he's just on the stray jacket, bro, when it comes every single time he enters that arena. And to see him just get strapped like that makes me want to move off of him and just be like, yo, I can't, I can't do this at all. But also, it makes me

look at j-dub and also blue dort and makes me realize how underrated sometimes in my mind this defensive combo together is for sure yeah they're gonna have to move ingram i think i agree with you cj will see he's out of here he's been pissing me off so much oh my god he's just he has to do so much now when ozion like i guess we got to keep that in mind like donovan said with the yonis thing that like they are playing with ozion which changes things these guys look a lot different if they had this insane driving to the rim force next to him. But Ingram, the writing is in the wall. He doesn't fit their long term with Zion.

The middle of the season we were playing really well despite their flaws. And we were like, okay, well, listen, if they're going to be able to win even with these glaring weaknesses, good for them. The weaknesses come out even stronger in the playoffs setting, especially you don't have your star. It's kind of they are who we thought they were. We all come and came into the season being a little bit down on them because the rostering instruction was weird at best and it's proven to be still weird at best yeah five games but when it

comes to maximum when it comes to CJ it's just so irritating because it's like okay I understand like he's not naturally a point guard he's paid played the two his entire life can't expect him to set the table that well okay cool defense we all know he's fried at that and when the fuck is he ever guarded someone a day in his life we never seen it before okay cool you're not shooting the ball well that's when it starts to become a real issue you're not necessarily manipulating the defense as he's not being that elite ISO score that we need and of course like I said earlier it's hard to do that when you're the focal point you're really the only dynamic score on that team because brandy inger disappeared it just feels like he's not enough of a difference maker

and impactful of a player for what this roster needs he needs to be a six man or something to me honest with you like that's oh you relax relax relax he'll be a fantastic six man what do you mean well yeah because he's too good for that he can still start He just like you said, he shouldn't be a point guard. That's for damn sure. Put him in a drawing, Clarkson, roll. He's still going to make a lot of. Oh, you're a hater.

That's crazy. Yeah, listen, he's going to look bad when he's forced to be a first option. That's not his fault. So listen, so he shouldn't be a first option. Imagine how good he would be as a sixth option. That's exactly. Most kind of cooking. Elite.

You make Paul George a six, man. Your team's going to be great, too. Listen. But I guess I didn't, I don't think I said it. The one thing I learned about OKC if I had to narrow it down is that Chet Holmgren, that I was right. He's just as effective in the playoffs as I could have hoped you could be. Everything I hoped to see him in the playoff realm, he showed us that.

He did not disappoint us whatsoever. It's, but I mentioned the stuff with them attacking him in the post with Yon's Valchunis and how I think it was a little bit of bad game plan. It's really similar to what the Houston Rockets did back when they went super small when they had Russell Westberg on the team. Remember they were starting PJ Tucker and Robert Covington as their front court. Their whole game plan was like, listen, you come to a playoff series, you know, we're going to have James Harder and Russell Westbrook getting us nonstop threes and dunks. If you want to try to

beat us by attacking this stout motherfucker in the post and getting 0.8 points through possession per post of, go for it. You can put PJ Tucker in hell. We're going to have James Harden stepping back from three every time. We're going to win out over time. That's kind of what they do with Chet, where they knew they were small. We all wanted them to address it. But they were like, listen, Yoko is just one thing, but everybody else, if you want to post him every play, I dare you. Go ahead. You're not going to guard him on the other end, spamming threes. You're not going to guard Shea.

We want you to attack him, because even if you get a bucket sometimes and his lack of size holds us back occasionally, that length, he's going to block some of those shots. He's going to make it really difficult for you that over time, he will be just fine. And that is a very strong winning formula for years to come. And I think Chet is quickly going to prove to be one of the most valuable players in NBA when it comes to team building.

I love when teams, like, hone in on their identity. They're like, yeah, like, you're going to hurt me with your size, but I'm going to make you hurt even fucking more with the versatility, the shooting, the defense that I'm able to provide across all facets of the game, bro. And the last time I've seen the team like honed in on their identity and doubled down on it and be okay with giving a fucking size was like the Golden State Warriors, bro. That was the last thing that was completely okay with being small and they ran the league for years. So, exactly. Dremont's the originator of this. They're like, okay, Draymond's seven inches smaller than their center.

attack him I dare you go ahead keep trying it's the same thing like it's not going to be an advantage for you yeah I agree now granted you do you can there might be some games where it's super close and you have somebody like that another team that that could be a contributing factor that can decide a game but if it's going to be your main source of offense attacking him it's never going to work it's rare it's rare there's only two players in the in the league maybe three who will make you make those decisions yeah this all changes when yokish comes to those doors so that's that's a different animal that's going to be a little different exactly that is stupid those are one of the players yeah

what series I'm talking about next what maps clippers yeah that's a good one series is currently now it's 2-1 are ways it 1-1 no it's 1-1 it's 101 oh yeah 1-1 oh yeah they split the games in L.A first game they came out and the Mavs played their worst game of the fucking season probably they were horrible

and the clippers were super prepared Ty Loo put up a matchful game plan, kick the ball moving. We talk about that at length and stream. Go check it out. Game two, Kauai came back. How did you guys feel about how the Clippers look with Kauai? It looked like they had, it looked very similar to the way that they had looked in the latter part of the year, where everything was kind of just like, well, honestly, not even in the latter part, more towards like when they first got James Hardin, where everything was really sluggish, right? the ball wasn't moving the same way that was in game one kawai didn't look 100% healthy

and if this is going to be the version of the clippers that we that we get i the mabs should probably win this in six oh well listen game one still happened i think i still think it'll be a close seven game series but that i i'm with you it was definitely more encouraging for the mabs in game too yeah yeah yeah you know i i definitely i definitely agree seeing I guess one of the biggest talking points. I can take away more from the Dallas Mavericks than for the Clippers because they're just such an up and down team. And Kawhis is coming back from his injury. You haven't seen him in, I don't know how long, maybe three weeks or so or two weeks or so.

But for the Dallas Mavericks, the biggest takeaway and the biggest thing that I learned is that like, yo, Luca Donchish, his defense throughout the entirety of the game and wanting to take on and hone in those matchups or there'd be. on Paul George or Kauai Leonard or giving real effort when it comes to Dan to James Hardin on the perimeter is very real and it gave me hope and optimism that like not even optimism it's very real

like he can legitimately play real defense when it matters in most dude he sat down at the second half pulled his fucking pants up tied that string around his waist and was ready to lock down that was crazy I have never seen him defend like that I think the stat was

I think they were like two for seven attacking him and he gave a five total points guarding all the three of their best players in different scenarios easily the most impressive defensive game

of his career given the stakes right? Easily. Yeah. Easily. What's interesting about this second game

is the Mavs won with defense which has never been a thing for Lucas career and that's why all of us ranked them as a top three team in the NBA and our power rankings before the playoffs started because they finished the season

for the last two weeks as the number one defense in the league. That's what showed in this game. They locked the clear Clippers the fuck down. Kauai adding into the mix, didn't look great, slowed things down. They didn't have the same zip they did in game one

when they were running straight through James Hardin and he was kicking out to all the shooters. And the biggest difference is the Mavs didn't have their worst officer showing in the world like they didn't game one. And in game two, they're still a little average, actually. But they did just enough for their defense carry them to a win.

Exactly. Yeah. Clippers need to hit their goddamn shots also, bro. Like, they're just some shots that. Like, at the end of the day, that would help a lot. Exactly. I need to see the I need to see the I completely forgot there's so many games that like

were two days removed from and I'm like wait who had what like what was the team stats looking like I forget how everybody like performed I watched so much basketball it's mind-numbing yeah what's crazy oh wow this is actually wild now that I'm looking at it so they got they got three points from from maxie Tim Hardaway went out so he only had six Derek Lively had three Josh Green had four Dante Xum had three The bench was trash

In this game Yep And they were still able Oh wait enough Oh my bad That's game one I'm tripping Anyways

I happen to get a game too The Maves did not shoot well At all Yeah I Okay so if they play Okay C How do y'all feel

About that matchup for them It's gonna be tough If we're getting If we're getting this version of Luca on defense, how do you feel about them versus the Thunder? I don't think that's going to be that big of a factor

because Luca can do this in spurts like he did to close this game. Yeah. It's not going to be doing the all game for a seven game series. Obviously. Yeah. But. The biggest difference is Luca against this Mavs team, he hasn't gone to the paint like at all really. He only has three shots in a restricted area

for the first two games. Seven out of 17 in the paint. I think if he's not going to be against the rim at all consistently against this team he probably won't be able to against the thunder either and that's going to be really hard for him I think you know he hasn't been the most efficient in the world which most stars aren't in this in these tough settings they got to dig you half the chuck to a certain extent he has to be able to really drive to the room more to be able to really go out shoot the thunder I think I see I'm I'm so it's gonna be a tough series yeah I'm so I'm I'm operating under the

mindset that the mabs are going to win i i i haven't believed in the clippers coming in and obviously like i picked the mabs to win the series um so i'm yes i'm just trying to think about what it would look like in terms of like what i learned i don't really i don't feel like i learned too much about the mabs in game two just because especially when we got down to like the end of the game Luca was doing Lucas stuff Like he's taking these step back Threes

He's hitting you know He's hitting crazy shots With James Hardin's hand in his face Right he's yelling at the crowd He's you know Crying to the refs every every play Like all the stuff that Luca does every night He did in game two

So like I don't I don't know if I had like learned anything from it I will say There's one thing that I did learn That I think about it about the Clippers I learned that I was right They can't go fucking nowhere If CoWine Leonard is not

Kawhi Leonard. Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. Returned into the game. I think he shot like 7 for 17, not a terrible game when he comes to all the time that he missed out on. But he clearly looks like rusty and was like just not playing into shape, obviously, because he wasn't out that long. But he was getting back into rhythm.

And in order for them to compete with this team and win this series, like, I don't want to say that they should, but like a lot of people think, he needs to be peak form Kauai. 95 to 100% of what he needs to be in order for them to like overcome this this team yeah it is definitely a close series to watch we haven't learned much yet one one we all picked the Mavs to win it

I picked them in seven you guys pick them in like five or six I forget I think we can all still feel confident in the Mavs as that in that prediction but listen next game could change that we'll see how the clippers respond I have faith that Tailu will continue to make the right adjustments it's going to be a chess match for sure You never fucking know, man. Last series to talk about.

The most interesting series of the mall, the one we've all been dying to watch. We've been tapped in for 48 minutes of each game, three games in a row now. We don't give a fuck! Cavalries versus Magic. The ultimate rock fight. This series, a big running theme,

I talk about the Sunnestrian, a big running theme of a lot of these playoff series is that with the way modern defenses play, it's a lot of I'm daring your worst shooters to hit open threes and beat us that I don't think your guy who sits in the corner can really outshute my guy sits in the corner nothing encapsulates that more than this series

two defensive teams that fucking suck on offense the first couple games the magic looked like one of the worst playoff offenses I've ever seen we were like oh god are the cabs gonna smoke them is this gonna be a sweep we all thought the magic could really push this team maybe win it Jesus they look horrible game three came around

everything I just said flipped Cavs looked horrible The Mavs I mean the magic did the same thing the calves did They happened to hit a little bit more shots Not a ton of shots And I beat them with their defense This is going to be a rock fight for a while We said hit a little bit more shots

And they ended up beating them by like 40 tonight They beat this shit out of them They beat them 121 to 83 What did they shoot from three So the magic shot 35% from three and that's blowing the league average they they shot yeah so they shot 35% from three the cabs shot 23% from three the calves were 8 of 34 the magic were 13 of 37 so about the same kind of volume

and they hit five more threes and then the first two games was the opposite the maves of the magic shot 22% something like that in both the first games and that's why palo was in hell had nothing around him because those guys couldn't make him pay the flip just script in the script, whoa, I said the flip script. The script flipped in this game. And every game is going to come down to that, I think. These teams are so evenly matched in so many ways when it comes to their defense. First two games, Donald Mitchell, came alive, led his team to the win. This game, Palo Baner, was so clearly the best player on the court. He looked at what Donovan Mitchell did in game one. The way he was dimming his teammates up, bro, and making all these

contested shots and finding his teammates in these tight windows was so impressive. I believe he finishes the game with like zero turnovers, immaculate performance from him and he's, I think this game should just remind everyone that he's truly one of the better players of his position and better best young players in the entire NBA period. But Donham, how much did you say they lost

by again, the Cavs? So the Cavs lost by... It was like 32 or 17. They lost by 38. That is like, that's a regular season type of score. That is the top of game that you see. Both teams run serious. In like November, bro. That is absolutely disgusting.

And that tells you right there, like, there's some psychological thing going on with this cabs. You don't see this type of blow up. All it is is the cabs were at home for the first two games. The magic came back home. And the series doesn't start until a row team wins it. So it's like everybody's doing what they're supposed to do. It's crazy.

All it is is they hit their threes one night and then did the next night. Like, it's hard to be so reductive about a playoff series. There is so many X's and O's checkpoints going into it Like Jaylen Suggs did a really good job Killing the Mavs with Cuts tonight His ability to attack the rim And create those shots was very different From the first two games

So there is some small stuff to point out On both sides But it's really just which one of these chuckers Is gonna hit their threes Because tonight Evan Mowbly and Jared Allen Both shot threes And didn't make any of them The first game Evan Mowley hit three threes

These things are gonna be the deciding factors For seven games Yeah you guys are talking about you you Moe we're talking about Evan Mobley oh his offense is taking a leap when he scored 16 points let me say this guy 0 of three from from three today 10 points for Evan Mobley and I told you I was like let's let's see if he can score 15 every game like this there's order exactly there's still like levels for it for Mobley offensively but it's also this is kind of like the game uh like

like game one for for Dallas where I'm like all right eventually eventually it gets to a point where you're just down by so much I would just move on to the next game and I'll see you guys in game four now if this happens obviously not a 40 point loss but if the magic can tie the series at two two I do think they can they can win this series I thought I was out after the first two games I'm right back in I'm right back in on Orlando play the music I'm back on the bandwagon I'm still going to go with the calves, just because, like I said, I think it's going to come down to who makes more threes, and I think the calves have a higher shooting ceiling that I'm going to pick them, but it's unpredictable as fuck, I think. And that is very fair. I think you're, you're

right for picking them to the calves. Both these people can't shoot. Yeah. Both teams run serious. That's what I learned. I have nothing for individuals. I learned that Jalen Suggs is my hero, and I love him, and I want them to get a really good offensive guard to play next to him so we can see him thrive as an off-ball guy with like an Anthony Simons or Trey Young whoever next to him and I learned that both teams happen no I need him on this team and then I learned that both these teams no matter who wins they're going nowhere fast because they don't have the offensive capabilities everything we said about the cabs end of the season is real everything we thought that the magic can overcome with their defense with their offensive woes they can't neither the team is going to do

anything somebody has to win womp womp womp pain It's crazy. What a serious, man. I think that's it. Yeah, I think, is that every series? Do we hit everything? We did. And this is the end of the episode.

So now I think it's time for us to transition to you guys. Over to TikTok time, which was recorded yesterday. Because like I said, it's like 2 a.m. right now. So we went ahead and got it ready for you guys. So this is a three-hour pot, I think, which is crazy, given the fact we're recording this right now. But that's the power of planning. We do on eaters rejoice. Welcome to yesterday.

everything you asked about for the past hour and a half hasn't happened yet but welcome to tic-tok time as always we're going to start with the draft and this time we're going to do something we haven't done in like a month now actually we're going to do a build-the-player draft with this time the theme being only traits from players who are second-round draft fix underdogs we're getting out the mud right we're diving deep we're putting it on our draft day hats we're ready listen to the NFL draft is i guess yesterday about time you're listening to this i'm full draft mode so I'm ready let's go ahead and lock this shit in man we haven't done the draft in a while and we see all the goddamn current eaters yapping about it and we have filled you guys as appetite let's do the shit

here you go jo all to the charges let's go what did you say i said i said joe alt to the chargers let's go oh my god listen you're listening to this after the draft as it happened for us yet i'm a chargers fan if they pick joe alt i will be on the top of a roof somewhere contemplating doing the worst stuff possible let's hope it doesn't happen I can't even say with a straight face God trying to figure out of their verbiage to use This man is not serious about his fandom

Give me Malik neighbors or give me death But all right Draft order is Donovan, me, Mo You guys know how it goes Body shooting, defense, playmaking, finishing Where are we going to first pick, Donovan? I have to take the best skill here

Give me Nicolioch's playmaking Fair enough, fair enough Very solid, can't disrespect Thank you. You know what? I'll take the second best trait here. Give me Draymond Green defense. Nice.

You guys both got like Hall of Fame worthy, one of the best at all times stuff. Now I'm left with the rubbles. Okay, so who is, I guess, I don't want to select a body. I can select the most random person for a body. so you know what for finishing

actually no body give me Alex Alex English so okay does he count because he was pre-merger so I look at that he was the year before the merger that's how people don't consider him

like the best second round pick ever that's why I didn't put him on my list what in my mind he should count because when I looked it up he was good for your mind yeah exactly that's real nerdy I'll allow

because there was only 17 teams And that's why when people say the best second round picks of all time They don't talk about him And like, fucking like Nate Archibald was a second round pick technically You do anything to try to just nerve me That's what I mean

It's got to be 1976 or later Yeah Anyways, yeah Go ahead and give me Alex English Too bad He's out of what you just said I'm getting my pick on Donovan, do we give it to him?

Of course You can have that I don't care He's thinking Alex English body It's fine It's okay As it's a number one overall pick, we're going to be okay. And then for shooting, giving mine a Genoblee. Interesting.

Okay. I wasn't picking him for finishing, but if you want to shooting, you can have it. I need it. You are not, listen, the Euro step doesn't come with the shooting. So you messed up. I got the classic left hand with like Genoblee. I don't need none of that other shit. Leave me alone.

I'll take the real best shooter on this list. Give me Kyle Corver shooting. That's solid. That's solid. Okay. All right, Nicoli Okich passing is what I have. Give me, you know what? Give me Markersoll body.

And then. Okay. What the fuck? Give me Marcus. We're just, we're going to try and build Yokage with defense. We got, we got Marcus Hall body. And then I want Dennis Rodman defense. Okay.

Damn. Donovan, you didn't come to play at all. Holy shit. We're here. You don't want athleticism? He just wanted another chubby guy? Yoke, Yolkins is not like that. Yokeech and Markets all move very similarly.

You give me the passing. You give me Dennis Robin defense. I'm good. This is Yolkutja's defense. I like it. I'll need to get one. I need to get a good passer before they run out. Give me Doc Rivers passing.

Okay. You know what? You got the player not the coach. Good pick. Thank God. Good pick. Okay, that's solid. Damn, Doc Rivers passing.

Shit. I'm kind of cooked, man. Yeah, I don't know who you want for passing. I better be happy with Fred Van Fleet. I'm sick to my stuff because I was supposed to be my pick. Fucking give me Fred Bell Elite, I guess. I have nothing to lose. Congrats on picking the 40-second best passer in the league right now.

Hey, he'll transform your team in one year. Talk to him, Rockets. You had some better in the leadership for you. Exactly. All right. Now all I have left is defense and finishing. This is kind of nasty. I need someone who can genuinely finish at the room with toughness and strength.

Carlos Boozer, where are you at? It's your time to shine. That's disgusting. Let's go. You know what I'm doing? For my finishing, give me somebody with some flair. Give me Monte Ellis. Good God.

Okay. That's good. That's good. All right. So it's back on me. I have, what do I have left? I have shooting and I have finishing. For shooting, give me.

Give me a big man who can kind of shoot Give me Rashar Lewis shooting Okay That's a good pick And then for finishing You're your bag I'm in my bag And then for finishing

Give me DeAndre Jordan Fuck bro It's been a pick up her body God damn it Yep Mark us all with 40 inch vertical Come on now

Nasty Come on we're here Donner I ain't know why This is one of your biggest drafts of all time I'm here I'm here I needed time off

to re-evaluate my strategies. My only answer to this, all I can do to one up you, give me my new bull's body. Okay. I'm putting elite shooting, elite defense, elite passing and flashy finishing and a giant motherfucker. Okay, you can't move like that. But that's great. You got all the length in the fucking world. It doesn't matter, I guess. If I shoot like Corby with that height, it's done. Yeah, and you got Dremont's defense. Yeah, that's kind of nasty. angle i am i am beyond cooked

sold so a defense give me one of the more versatile defenders entering the modern era paul milsap i got to show love to my former hog okay there you go paul milsab you can have them

great defense bro he was our lebron stopper that didn't stop him all right so my player is manute bull's body Kyle Corver shooting, Draymond's defense, Doc Rivers playmaking, and Montaella's finishing. Okay. I have Mark Asol Badi, Rashar Lewis shooting, Dennis Rodman defense, Nicole Leokin's playmaking, and DeAndre Jordan finishing. It's nasty.

I'm proud of this guy. I'm proud of this player. Yeah, not going to lie. That player is disgusting, bro. And my player is disgusting, too, but in the worst way. I got Alex English body, Manu's shooting, Paul Milisap defense. Van Vleet playmaking and finishing of Carlos Boozer. That's a solid 82 on 2K.

That's good. Everybody is a solid 82 on their team, man. What do you mean? You're well-rounded. Real fundamental. Yeah. Six men of the year. Congratulations.

You got it. I know how to play my role. Alex English body is hilarious. I mean, at first I wanted to build out a wing and I'm like, ooh, maybe I can go in and snipe Louisle or Lou Williams, who went undrafted. And then I fucking forgot about it. him damn you had a plan you forgot it that's hilarious that right next video we're gonna do you know we've got a lot of different variations of guest the NBA player

we've done by the haircut by the jersey by all kinds of things I forget what else today we're gonna do guest the NBA player by their smile oh and you know Mo is a famous man know her are you a mouth no or two all right listen I'm not the The only knower that I am is about, I'm a ball knower. That's it. I know ball and I know how to dress nicely. That's it. I'm not going to lie. That was corny as hell.

That's the truth. What do you want me to say? Put out some hall of fame bar. That's all I do. I have a feeling you'll be a mouth-nower too. That's gross. Let's find out. I'm a ball-nower. By only their smile. Guess the NBA player, by only their smile.

Let's see what you guys got. first off who is this player it's crazy some some listen some people get to the league get a bag fix their teeth this guy did not do that he's real oh man so this dude is clearly got some british teeth i don't know what this is looking like clearly on the lighter side of things he looks like he could be a twin i'm smelling this could be brooke lopez i told you your mouth now you knew it immediately this is brook lopez i don't know what it is but you are not beating out These are just my powers. You just know.

Listen, FBI, good for you. You pay attention. You pay attention. You're very, you know, some people know, some people don't. You're one of the ones that happen to know. It's fine. You're very detail oriented. Don't be mad that I'm blessed and you're not.

Get better. Skill issue. Who is this player? Oh, is that a, sorry. It was disgusting. Those are some British-looking lips. This is someone who fucking hates his mom.

But is this Austin Reese? Oh, yep, it's Austin Reeves. You got it. This is Austin Reeves. There you go. Real Kyle energy from those lips. Yeah, don't go lie. That picture was very violating right there.

I'm happy you got it as fast as you did. There's only so many, you know, pasty men in the NBA. You know who they are. You know what they look like. Small pool to choose from. I get it. I get it. Donovan tried to take my title away from me.

That's what it is. All right, next up, who is this player? Listen, I feel like I know who this is, but I'm not trying to have the title. You know! You're nasty! I don't want that attached to me. Why do you know mouth so well? Ew.

Is this Donovan Mitchell? This is Donovan Mitchell. Congratulations. Donovan, you're my newest disciple. Who's next? Who is this player? Dang it. I know this one too.

Oh, you notice? Whoa. I think I do. I'm going to take a shot. I'm going to try my luck. Is this Devin Booker? This is the generous finest.

Devin Booker. Damn. No, I'm kind of in my back. I didn't think that I was going to be good at this, but I'm kind of here. I don't know everything that you'd be good at You'd be good at guessing mouths, Donovan Wow Take a look at the mirror after this TikTok

Stop Get some help Alright next player So let's get harder Who is this player? This is okay guys I'm sorry I'm going for the sweet beer

This is This is De Mardarosen, correct? This is DeMard de Rosen Wow, bro I'm here I should have thrown some wildcars And you'll never know This man is this bag

I mean You're putting notable people If you ask me what Delano Banton If you ask me what way his smile looks like I don't know All right next player Who is this Huh

That Moe's kind of telling Is this I think he's in the nation's capital Is this Kyle Kuzma oh my god you know everything about mouth this is crazy i didn't even know that one right there holy shit i forgot who i put i couldn't even tell who that one was you my friend need to work for the cia donovan you can help uncover at least a hundred uncovered closed cases bro you know too much exactly right next up i don't know how many are left who is this player

looking like that. Now, is this is this John Morant? This is John Moran? Bro, you're in your bag right now. Holy shit. I've never seen a run like this before in my life. If you're still here, comment,

this man knows mouth. This is the last one. I was just trying to participate in the game. Right. I was just trying to keep it moving along. Now I have allegations beside me. This is awful. It's not allegations.

It's just observations. I'll just do my job. I'll just do my job. It is. I know you're good at it. So that's fine. There you go. Usually you're awful like guessing games,

but this time you're in your bag. Yeah, for no reason. Let's psychoanalyst us a little bit. Now, let's move on to the next TikTok. What do we have? Great, because the next TikTok is back to you. The spotlight is staying on you. Let's go.

Because today, you are going to rank your top 10 NBA jerseys. You know, over the last few weeks, me and Mo have taken turns ranking things. I ranked the top 10 players in the league. Mo did the top 10 point guards. moving on to something more important than all that Donovan's top 10 jerseys Again now these are just this year These aren't like all time

This is just this year This selection of jerseys Current day Yeah also Okay so we're gonna rank or actually no I'm just gonna show you guys my top 10 list For jerseys this year Yeah one by one let's go

And number 10 I have the Buck City jerseys I actually really rock with these I think I love it every time the bucks go blue It works That's why Why. I think that they've done a really good job leaning into this blue, so I'm putting them at 10. Okay, that's respectable. Nothing too crazy.

Yeah. Actually, the previous blue city jersey was better than this one, but it's still pretty solid. Yeah. Okay. At 9, the Pacer Statement jersey. Oh my God. I rock with this one. I think that this is one of their best jerseys, and it's, it's kind of cool. It looks better on court. It looks better on court than it does on this, like, fake name. The colors definitely pop on court. I wouldn't call it one my favorite jersey in the world, but it's not bad. Is it top 10 worthy? I don't think so at all. I don't think so either.

It could be better half of the league. I promise, I promise you, go through the list of jerseys and you'll see a lot of mid. I'm trying to, I try to pick some ones that stood out. Okay, okay. But I won't judge the list until we see the rest. But at the same time, you have to get some classics in there. Number eight, the Portland Trailblazes home jersey. I love the jersey.

It's very simple, very classic. All right. I'm glad you picked the white one. That's fine. Yeah. I like this. It's a worst one out of them all. The black was pretty good, but all white is nice.

I like, I like white, I like white, I like white jerseys personally more than than black jerseys. So that's why I picked this one. But, but at number seven, we do have a black jersey. Give me the king's black jersey. This one is hard. This is hard as fuck. I'm not going to lie to you.

The color, the colors, the text helps a lot. It's very nice. I ain't a lie. That script works. I agree. When Demandis Sabon is wearing this, I'll be thinking he's a top five center in the NBA. Hey. This is nice. You watch and play defense.

You know, oof. You can't help it. That's the bonus hate is getting off. I love it. And I was right. Love it. All right. Number six.

You know, I had to put my New York Knicks in there. This jersey is hard. It's very cool. It's a cool mixture. It's like a kit jersey as well. Make sure if the old school, new school got pinstripes going on it. I'm surprised you don't have this one higher. It's pretty cool

There's some nice ones in the top five But now top five Fifth one Utah Jazz City jerseys This might have to be higher This is amazing I love this jersey This is one of the rare

Good things that the Utah Jazz have done When any time you see mountains On their chest It's a fire jersey Yep I ain't go lie Your top three right now To me is looking real fishy

But we'll see Okay. Number four, Lakers' Mama Jersey. Can I interest anybody in this? I love it. It's cheating because they don't wear it anymore, but I'll let it rock because it's such a perfect jersey. It was, listen, it was available on this year's locker vision.

It was on the list. I do like it. Okay. Okay. Okay. This hard. Number, thank you. Number three, the Charlotte Hornets.

This color. What? This color. What the harder than Utah Jazz? This color, I don't think that the Hornets can ever go wrong making a jersey with this color. It's very hard. The feds are on their way, buddy. It's very, very hard to do wrong with this jersey.

I think it's the top three one. You better board up those windows, lock those doors, put the fucking chair underneath the handle because the feds are on their way to tear your door down. This is ridiculous. Charlotte. Charlotte. I'm going to give you guys. Listen, credit. I'm giving credit with credit is due.

Charlotte, again, this is the one thing that you guys do well. Shout out to you guys. this light to listen you don't you don't like him oh hell no ass we'll continue anyways number two we're going with the chicago bulls black pinstripe this again timeless hard they were wearing it the other day in the in the playing game reminded me just how much that i like these jerseys these are these are fire it looks good on court you can wear it off the court perfect versatility of a jersey number one determines the validity or list because i'm this close to calling it a hot piece of ass so let's see like the majority of my pigs what do you mean you lost me

with the hornets i ain't go lie that that's one pig that's one pig stay with me now stay with me okay okay i walk with you my number one jersey this year is the white minnesota timon yeah this jersey is so clean it is prestigious beautiful i love this jersey listen i got some problems the list at least this is here i'd have been pissed if it wasn't Oh, no, you, listen, this, this was going to be it. That was going to be it. But we had to, we had to throw in a mixture, you know, some colors, some, some new trends, some stuff. Okay.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not just a white, I'm not just a plain white jersey guy, right? I have some versatility in, in the game. Fair enough. This is so solid. Every time that we give opinions on jerseys, the fucking 13 year old is yell at us and say we don't know all, I'm going to put all the red colors in there. So, yeah, you'll get cooked. Let's see how it goes. It'll be fun.

Said, no heat culture jersey. I promise you, if you bring up the heat culture jersey, it's going to be a problem. They're going to fry you for a minute and their blue's clothes jersey. They always want that one on there. For sure. That's ridiculous. I will never understand ever. That was disgusting.

That just means that we're getting old for real if we don't understand how the mass majority enjoy that jersey. It's not the mass majority. It's the mass majority under 14. Different generations. It's more power to you. It's a jersey designed for that generation. So they're supposed to like it. Good for them.

Yeah. Still, it's awful. Next thing we're going to do, well, let's talk legacies, our favorite thing to talk about, you know, especially you, Donovan. I'm going to name two NBA players, and I want you guys to let me know which one had the better career, or like, which career would you rather have if you were a player? You know summer is around the corner when we're starting to talk about legacies.

It's evergreen. It's always ready to talk about. Let's cook, man. Real simple. Which NBA player's career would you rather have? First off, we got. Magic Johnson versus Larry Bird. Give me Magic Johnson in a heartbeat.

In a heartbeat. Wait, whoa. Actually, hold on. I'm going to think about his life too or just basketball? Okay. Why would it be his personal life? Same career and he's part of his career. Shut up.

Regardless. Give me Magic Johnson. For sure. I'm taking Magic Johnson as well. Also, because he beat Larry Bird more times in the finals. And as long as I can have those bragging rights, I'll take them. that that's a good tiebreaker when you have the two fiercest rivals in NBA history one can say I'm better than you one can say I beat you more I like it who's also and he has two more

rings yeah I'm taking that who was more influential between the two listen I that is tough do you know how much white people love Larry Byrd that is true he is like a unicorn he is their basketball North Star like he means a lot to that community no no no They're both kind of like equally influential. You got me fucked. I'd be thinking I'm not taking the Laker over the Celtic. Give me, Bob. Give me magic Johnson.

Yeah, give me magic. Next up. Tim Duncan versus Kobe Bryant. I love Tim Duncan so much. This was hard because obviously Tim Duncan had more longevity and people often say he's actually the best player in 2000s. But we're talking about careers. Being so revered as Kobe and doing it for that iconic of a franchise means something.

and that's that moves me right y'all know how much i love tim duncan but the world loves Kobe i'm gonna i'm gonna take Kobe yeah but it's also their career not what happened after the career so it's just what happened in those times they played in the NBA people loved him more during the time like it was official in china yeah i might have to go Kobe too his career the love that he got throughout his career just how people viewed him then now doesn't matter I'd want to lean towards Kobe. He has so many cool-ass moments in his career. If you tell me, like, what are the top five moments of Tim Duncan's career?

My mind's going blank. I'm only thinking of like two or three. But for Kobe, I could talk for days. Yeah. It's hard because I do think Tim's a better player. Yeah. Both have the same amount of rings. And we're talking to everything else that comes outside of being who's better.

I don't know why. What would make Tim's career better? I mean, he has. I guess. That's the only real thing. Yeah. there's not like a stretch listen the spurs won 50 straight games for like 20 years so like you that's pretty crazy you were always good you never had the ups and downs like like cobi did in his

career but true personally i could never suffer a loss like the spurs did in game six in 2013 that would that would end me so i had to take cobi's career fair enough yeah keel o'neal versus step Curry. This is hard. I don't know. Shaquille O'Neal is a meme nowadays. Whenever you think of Shaq or whenever Shaq is brought up in conversations, at least

20% of the time folks are talking about all you're in your Celtic Shack era. The last like six years of his career shouldn't have happened. Give me Steph Curry and heartbeat. But like Prime Shack is prime Shack. Like like Shaq probably

you can make the argument that Steph is better than Shaq all time. And it really doesn't matter where you have Shaq on your on your list. Everybody's always going to point to him and be like, but he's the most dominant player ever. You could think, you could think Shaq is like the 20th best player of all time, be like, but like he's still the most dominant. Like he's always going to get that crown. So that, that does kind of mean something. Same amount of rings. Three peted for the Lakers. It's the most like, one of the most iconic teams of all time was a superstar from day one. He didn't have the longevity, but the peak was ridiculous.

That is true, but I think I value the long. Which is really cool. Yeah, I ain't a lie. The highlights breaks my mind to this day. Strong as hell. I'm still leaning, Shaq. I'm still leaning Curry, though. It doesn't matter.

Seeing how every single little kid wants to be like him, literally influencing the entire style of basketball. That's something that we haven't seen since. True. I don't know, like Jordan days. Like, that's crazy. No, I'll go with you. I'll go Curry.

I'll go Curry just because 2020 happened. Not only did he create the greatest dynasty of all time with Kevin Durant, he also won without him afterwards for his city with one of the best individual performances of all time in the finals, we can go, Kerry. I agree. I agree. If Shaq did it for his whole career with one team, then I would understand it. But that gives step points. Yeah, exactly. Playing at the high level that you're still playing out right now.

Steph is easy for me. Fair enough. Next matchup, Russell Westbrook versus Alan Iverson. I'm taking Alan Iverson. These are the same. same in a heartbeat in a heartbeat okay explain you have people listen Russell Westbrook has almost had to fight people on the court because they are playing with his name I do not want to go through any of that Alan Iverson the same way that you guys were talking about stuff like

changing the game and influence Alan Iverson is that what we talked about with Kobe being revered Alan Iverson has that as well and he has an MVP if they both have zero rings I'm gonna take Alan Iverson's career. In fact, Russell Westbrook is the most polarizing player in NBA discourse history. Alan Iverson is the opposite of polarizing. Everybody loves that man. If you find someone who doesn't love him, they are in the minority.

And it's not even anything to do with necessarily just basketball. For what he did for culture, his aura, his influence, he is Teflon forever. The Philadelphia Duffin's 70s did not love him enough with how they built that statue of him outside of their arena. All I love at all that are you telling me, where was that love at when it comes to the ideation of that statue? Didn't matter, bro.

Give me Russell Westbrook. Fair enough. Who's better is a different conversation. I don't even know how to begin parsing that question. But better career list. Alan Iverson is one most respected players of all time. Yeah, for sure. But they both,

the interesting thing about them is that they both went through their journeyman, like, phase. Russell Westbrook was obviously like a little bit more rough. Maybe I'm saying that because it's more easy to remember because it just fucking happened. But careers are uber similar, man. It's crazy.

Iverson just retired. Russ is keeping. it pushing as long as you can. I respect it too. Fair enough. What's the next matchup? Get a bag. Rudy Gobert versus Paul George.

Ah, man. Look, look, I make jokes about both of these guys. But I would never want to be as disrespected as Rudy Gobert is. Rudy Gobert can win five straight championships, four straight DPO-wise, and nobody in the league or fans are going to be like, that's my guy. Jimmy Paul George's career. man i get it paul george is the fan favorite rudie gober is the most hated player in the league for no reason

this man has four dpoIs and paul george has one third place finish in mvp one time pure accomplishments i don't know how we could possibly go paul george the people still love them though good for them if one is accomplished so much more fuck them kids and their mary jay blithe song how many kids are growing up watching ruddy go brother up fuck them kids and their erika by dooson

You respect that neosol queen How many kids are growing up Watching Rudy Gobert highlights And trying to mimic their game After his You're a weirdo if you do I don't know what I'm doing that too Not everybody can mimic greatness

I don't get out of here Nobody's ever figure Rudy Rudy Gobert's career You can't mimic LeBron You can't be 6 8, 240 Best athlete in the world you can't just be the best defender in the world either it's not that easy that is the most much statement

I'm thinking I'm going to go Paul George still just because I'm taking Paul George I'm wondering he's actually had the better career though I mean that's why you can argue it I never wanted over Paul George you could have it you can have Rudy Gobert's career yeah give me Paul for sure

I want kids lying on my name telling telling everybody that I'm the goddamn goat for sure give you Paul it's so funny because I don't even give him shit about Rudy Gobert. I just hate dumbness. And it's such stupid narrative that he gets hated on for it. Oh, boo. We don't get it. It's so stupid.

Oh, boo. It's such like mass hysteria. I feel like I'm going crazy watching a bunch of crazy people that just like are just like all saying the same wrong thing. I'm like, what are we talking about? You're so bothered by it. I am. I hate it. I hate it so much. I don't know why. Because I don't care about this French guy. Listen, Aldridge is about to get a bag too. He's about to re-up on that bag.

Give me Paul George. Good for him, getting a bag because he has not looked very great as of late. Nope. Get that back while you still can. Well, what people haven't noticed. Paul George has a, listen, Paul Jones has a podcast,

a theme song, a signature shoe, and multiple bags. Yeah, I'm taking Paul George's career. That is true. I would definitely rather have his life. I would take his life easily.

But better career, that's a different question for me. Who's going to be more memorable, too, at the end of the day? That has to be a part of the career. Well, perimeter players. People always love perimeter players more than big men, so it's going to be Paul George for sure.

Case is closed. Paul George, congratulations. Case is close. This is becoming a popularity contest, not a better career contest. When it comes to Rudy, the career shit don't fucking matter. We can't think about him rationally. Yeah, I get it, I get it. He's not likeable, I understand.

I didn't say I'd want to be him. I didn't want to be his person. I wouldn't want his personality. I'm not saying all that. All right, next up. John Wall versus DeMarcus cousins. Damn. See, now both of these guys are firmly in the,

you don't understand how good ex-player was kind of conversation, you know? These kids don't know about John Wall. Prime John Wall? 2016, 2017, John Wall? Ah, I don't know. This is so hard. Both flashing the pans, ruined by injury. We're never quite the best players in the world, but we're damn good.

They're kind of the same player, Loki. Okay, exactly. It comes down to this, though. What video makes you laugh more? Or what video do you like more? Pugie Cousin saying, is getting ridiculous out here or John Wall doing the doggie? Whichever when you like more, that's the winner. Neither.

I like when John Wall hit the game, hit the big shot and ran on the court. And he was like, big bees, bitch, in front of a bunch of white people in the crowd. And on the people court side were like, huh? When he was throwing up gang signs? Yeah. That was the funniest thing John Wall has ever done. their careers are so similar it's ridiculous

I don't even know how to choose to John Wall you have more funny videos you win the narrative around DeMarcus cousins was absolutely it was one of the most

damning things I've seen in my entire life bro everyone just painting him as a problem child maybe if it was I don't know it wasn't in those locker rooms

but I think I might want to lean towards John Wall because he was having types of conversations where people were arguing this is the second best player in the Eastern Conference like that stamp right there

basically gave him like MVP type approval like he's one of them ones all right i'll go john wall that's close though all right jay wallis next up Derek rose versus jimmy butler one-time teammates so there's the guy that was at the top of this class versus the guy who's never been that but also but as of late has been like finishing towards the top of the NBA in the most the early success with the longevity and carrying your team to the top, almost. Listen, a lot of these come down to just, how much love do you get out in the streets?

And Derek, stop making it that, it's career. I'm sorry. That's what it is. It's not about fan favoriteism. Listen, okay, fine. I'll take the guy with an MVP. I'll take that.

There. Who has a better chance? Case closed. I'll take the MVP. Is an MVP better than two finalships? If I lost, yes. I don't have a ring. I still lost.

We give Rudy Gaubert Rings culture of respect Like you won them Yeah We get Jimmy Butler Ring culture respect As if you want Yeah but Jimmy Buller's

Made of course like more All-NBAs More All-Star teams And shit like that too So that stuff like Has to matter as well Exactly He's never been

The best player in the world Derek Rose Neither is Derek Rose Derek Rose For two weeks Had the crown You give him his respect Okay

Before Lebron went into Chicago and ruined him, he got two weeks. That was it. The first round of the 2011 playoffs. You got it, Derek Rose. After that, you got blasted. It's over. If we're talking two weeks, Jimmy Butler versus the Milwaukee Bucks in the first round of the

2022 playoffs or the 2023 playoffs was a godsend. He averaged 37 points per game. That was the best point in the world for that week. Guys, this man, Derek Rose is playing where Todd Gibbs in Lou all day and and Joaquin Noah. It was Derek Rose, it was one-on-five on offense. I'm taking Derek Rose. Yeah, but you can't tell me, you know.

Got Gabe Vincent, Max Drews, and Caleb Martin paid. He got them paid big bucks. Yeah, exactly. I think I might lean towards Jimmy Buller. Smaid was out here playing with Tyrus Thomas. Don't talk to me about Derek Rose, though. Nicole Yovitch is in the rotation. I'm taking Derek Rose.

I want the Indic. I actually like Yovitch. Yeah, but Jimmy Buller, Derek Rose, he never go ahead and blow up an entire team by taking the entire practice squad and running the starting lineup, like how Jimmy Buller did in Minnesota. I want to go to Jimmy Buller for sure. Derek Rose scored 50 points like years after his prime. Nobody in the world loved that moment more for Derek Rose. I'm telling you, when it comes down, for, no, no. them have a ring and one of them has an MVP what are we talking about like guys is

derrick rose yeah he's like a three year prime awesome MVP opposed to like a nine year prime and two final ships you want to talk about you want to talk about coming into the league doing your damage and getting out there are crows might be in the hall of fame all for three years your damage and getting out there goes might be in the hall of fame all for three years Jimmy bell is definitely a hall of fame this is such a long debate bro because it's so even bro damn one certainly in the Hall of Fame

one you have to say might be feels like I think I'm my lean Jimmy bowler all right what's next Clay Thompson versus James Hardin hmm you want rings

or you want to be or you want to be the best guard in the NBA neck and neck with step curry Four rings, yeah I want to be a splash brother That's what I want That's what I want Me instead

It's real nice to be able to be just be That guy as known as a duo With Steph Curry Like your career Your legacy is cemented And he's also The second best shooter of all time Like people give him

They give him that title He has four rings He got paid He has mad love in the bay Everything is great there isn't anything, bro. James Hart. What's up?

Go ahead. I'm just going to say, talking about mad love. James Harder get mad love from every single rapper you can think. He got love in Philly. He got love in L.A. He got love in Atlanta with a little baby. He got a love in Magic City.

They fuck with him, bro. Heavy. He's protected everywhere. He doesn't go out of check in anywhere. Then on top of that, the MVP averaging 35, 36 points in a single season. We're going to look back at that when we're old heads. And who respects that?

I, you get me there. Clay Thompson scored 37 points in a quarter. He scored 60 points on 11 dribbles. This man, this man has no bag and has outscored people with three times the bag is him. Because he's that lethal. Listen, Clay Thompson's jersey is going up in the Raptors in Golden State. James Hardin's jersey is going up in the Raptors at Onyx. I don't know who's better, but it's neck and neck.

Notice how one of those is an NBA arena and the other is a club. There's levels to this. Give me Clay Thompson's career. All right, Clay. I guess it is Clay. There you go. And that's the end of that. Next up.

That's the time went way long and then where I thought it was going to be. It's a great clip. Good clip. Next thing we're going to do bring back a game. We played a few weeks ago now. We're going to do that Categories game where you guys have to name one player. from each category I say there's five of them and you have to see if you can make it to the end

without saying the same name as me okay let's do it I don't think Donovan did you win this last time I think you won the last time Mo you lost both times Mo can you get your first ship I think I got through it I'm getting it that's not even a fucking question

what the hell you confident I'm gonna win been one already I'm gonna be manifesting okay so real simple can you name a player from each of these NBA categories without saying the same name is me. First category.

Players who at once led the league and assists. Mm, shit. All right. Okay. This is gonna get, I got it, okay, gotcha. Three, two, one. LeBron James. Moe's out in the first round.

Fuck, I didn't even think? I was like, bro, did LeBron the league and assists? I could even think of players. I was never going to win this game. Fuck. You suck. Second category. Manifestation is fake. Second category.

Throw those players drafted in 2017. Say again? In 2017? I'm sorry. I have no idea with the 2017 draft class looks like. No, I got you. Okay, I got it. It's Jason Tatum's here.

Okay. Three, two, one. Josh Jackson. Lanzhou Ball. Donovan's out. Dummy! You both suck. I'm so bad.

I'm so bad at knowing like what the draft classes are. after the top three picks I'm like it's over y'all already out we'll keep going just to see if the fans can win let's go NBA point guards who hit a game winning shot in the playoffs three

two one damnian lord fuck Jamal Murray oh shit who we got player got cooked okay Jamal Murray

there you go I'm gonna grab a different name for that one I do good next yeah oh next one NBA players who have made it to a finals, but didn't win. Hmm. Okay.

Three, two, one. Jason Tatum. Tabal Sophia. NBA stars who have made it to NBA Finals and didn't win. So gross. Why is Sefaloza on your mind? I'm trying to win. Jason Tatum.

Chris Paul. There you go. Okay. Last category. See, if I just knew. draft classes, I would be good. NBA players who missed their rookie year entirely. Shit.

Three, two, one. Blake Griffin. Chet, Holmgren. Oh, damn. Four out of five. Yeah, listen, you guys suck and you lost immediately, but we'll see if the fans come on. First of all, no, no, no.

Moe lost immediately. I got to take it out. You lost damn near immediately. You get no point. I needed you to go ahead and fumble one more time. I got one point. I got one point. I'm on the board.

That was generational shitting yourself. Fuck this game. I was never going to win. We got to do it every week until you win. See how long you can run the streak up of losing? So it's like three weeks now. Fuck. All right.

One more TikTok before we get out of here. Back to legacy talk. Sort of. What we're going to do is it's a series we started. We're going to get to all 30 teams eventually. But I want us to talk about who is this NBA team's greatest player of all time and versus who is their most talented player of all time? Because usually it's different.

Okay. Let's talk about it. So, you know, the quintessential debate from last time was OKC Thunder. And it was like Russ is the team goat, but we all know Kevin Durant's better. Same type of thing. I got, I think six more teams for you guys. We're going to have the same type of talk. Our radar is brilliant.

First off, the Boston Celtics. Okay Is Larry Berg just the answer for both? I mean, for greatest I mean, I guess you can go Bill Russell He does have 11 rings But is Larry Berg clearly the most talented player I guess so, yeah

Yeah, we'll go Larry Bird for Larry Bird for sure is clearly The most talented player Because you're not going to say Kevin Garnett's more talented Larry Bird You're not going to say Paul Pierce is more talented than Larry Bird Not going to say Jason Taylor Bird

My little talented Larry Bird, throw him in there too. Not if you have a brain. Yeah, yeah. You know what? Let's go, Larry. We'll go Bill Russell for Goat, Larry Bird for Most Talented. Okay. That seems fair.

It seems fair at all parties involved. Yeah. Okay. I respect it. Okay. Next up, the San Antonio Spurs. Okay, so Tim Duncan is the team goat? Clearly.

Guys, I'm sorry. What's talented? Is it, there's Duncan, there's Kauai, there's George Gervyn. There's David Robinson. I know what Donovan's going to do it. Oh, my God. There's no way you can't tell me that Wemby isn't the most talented player in the Spurs history. The guy is 7-5 and you do absolutely everything. Off of pure talent, pure measurables, it's Wemby.

Bro, he played like 60 games. I'm not ready to say that yet over Tim Duncan. Tim Dukin is pretty fucking talented himself. He's played like 65 games. What are you doing? I know greatness when I see it. And that man is great. This is our legacy on the line.

Guys, listen, you have to know what you're watching in real time. You have to know in real time. Give it 160 more games. I might be with you. We're just waiting just to wait. Exactly. There's many players I will jump over last week. I said, fuck it.

Luke was already better than John Stock. Then I'm fine with that. I need more time before I disrespect Tim Duncan. See, I don't think it's disrespeck. I don't knock down timidies like you see like that let's slow I just gave him the franchise go no you're right it's not it's not crazy I can definitely see the case but I'll give this some more time just to not get yelled at so I respect your I respect your gusto this guy's crazy right next up the Orlando magic all right so team go is probably what

Dwight Howard yeah they went to the finals yeah they went to the check yeah I went to And then most talented would be Shaq? Shaq, easy. So if we're talking just their time there, was young Shaq in his first four years more talented than peak Dwight Howard? Yes, sir. He was running to break like Janus at his size. Good God, yeah, he was.

Yeah, it was before he got massive and his unstoppable down low, but even 25-year-old Shaq was ridiculous. Yeah, he definitely deserves that label for sure. Damn. No case for Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard had two post moves. And one of them was just, I'm going to throw my chest into you, I'm going to throw my shoulder into your chest.

His two post moves were right drop step, left drop step. That's about it. And they were effective. Maybe the left. Maybe going left. I didn't say both were good. Does it have a post move committed to memory? That he can do more than what.

All right. Next step. The Philadelphia 76ers. Dr. J is the team go, right? Sure, that's fair. Yeah. For most talented, we got Dr. Jay, obviously. We got Malone.

We got Barclay, Joelle and Bede. We're talented. Listen, I'm not necessarily the biggest Jewel and Bede all-time fan in the world, but that combination, the size, handle, shooting ability, defense, it might have to be Jewel and Bede. I don't know.

I don't know if I can go that far because it just doesn't click when you need it the most. Like something happens out of his control. That's not the conversation. It's talented, not who's a better player all time? Talented, like, at all times. And he's just not talented at all times. Is that talented in April?

No, exactly. I mean, look, right now, right now he's on one leg giving the next 33 a night. Like, he's, he's low key putting it in. together but if we listen I'm gonna speak up for the people and the people say that pound for pound Alan Iverson is extremely talented true so I don't know if I say he's more talent to Joel Mbid though that's where I'm like all right let's slow down now listen you're talent I'm going Juel Mbid it's not he's a he's shown it like over a sample size like I think

it's Joel and bead yeah but he got the MVP off of race relations Shout out of Patrick Perkins. He still has the MVP. You know, it was the MVP worthy season. He got it. All right, Joe, there we go. How do you find a way to give him love? Because he won't be getting it by the end of his postseason.

I'll tell you that. Yeah. We'll see. Next up. The Brooklyn Nets. This is so weird. This is so weird. They have a terrible history.

Yeah. This is so weird. All their stars they've had have ended in horrific fashion. Vince Carter. I'm out of here. Actually, no, was it, is it the raptors he left in perfect fashion? Yeah, there's a raptors he left this. Oh, I got that backwards.

I got that back. I got that back. Never mind. Never mind. So, so. But no, but you're still right in general. Tim Goh. Are we going Jason Kade?

Sure. That's gross, man. I mean, Jason Kidd is a Hall of Famer. He's good. Back to back to back. Is he a top 40 NBA player? Jason Kidd is good, though. Like, what do you mean?

Yeah, he's taken him to the finals. And now many people have done that. This poverty franchise is all around the NBA. Sometimes you get Michael Jordan Other times you just get a regular Hall of Famer and that's Jason Kid That's so sad Okay so are we going peak Jason Kid

It's more talented than 34 year old Kevin Durant Nope Hell no As much as I love Jason Kid in his game What Kevin Durant Do you love Jason kid? Do you spend 30 seconds hating on him? Nah, I don't I'm lying

I'm lying at my ass No Yeah, I mean 34 year old The only competition Mm-hmm Yeah, keep on Keep going

No, 34-year-old Kevin Duran What he was doing What he did for that Small stint With the Brooklyn Nets Although ended in Disappointment most of the time

What he did on the court Not never seen before in history That playoff series Against Milwaukee Bucks Where he was One Big Toe Away For making the finals Is the most talented

Spurt any Nets player Has ever had That was a ridiculous series at 34 damn he got it I can't even say I can't I can't hate it I can't hate it's given to it

there you go all right next team Detroit Pistons okay so Isaiah Thomas is the team goat is he also the most talented easy I mean 2016

Blake Griffith has an argument you know 2018 Oh yeah Yeah, 2018 No, I'm playing No, Isaiah Thomas is very clearly Like one and two

He got it Yeah, I don't even Andre Drummond had it had a good time There, he made some all thoughts Jeez, that's disgusting man He just brought up his name And a TikTok like this You know we're down bad

Yeah, I guess we'll go IT for both One of the rare times Which the same player Damn, only Andre Drummond and Blake Griffin For real coming No Chaunty Billups All right, let me stop Stretching him

Listen, Rashid had some time. He did. He did. He had a moment. We are in the deep end. Next up. The Chicago Bulls. Listen, open and shutcase here.

Give me Michael Jordan as the team goat. Michael Jordan has the most talented. There should be no discussion. Really? No discussion? No discussion. Are we going to ignore Alex Cruz's legacy? My bad.

My bad. I'm bad I did I didn't forget Caruso okay oh man now we can't do it we can't do it

we can't do it I love I love Caruso I heard you know you guys have your mind straight today alright next dude

oh that's the end of it and that's the end of the episode Mo people are still here what should they comment what should they comment every time I ask this lately he never know

never know yeah Isaac it's okay because I'm predicting that the Lakers are going to get swept again sadly well listen this is kind of we're recording this before we know what happens in game three so that might be very obvious if it if that happens it won't happen don't don't you have anything good to comment no I don't I don't okay so I'm in shit we'll see you guys next week it's on you goodbye it's okay