The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Thing We Learned About Every NBA Team In The Playoffs | Ep. 139

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

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Donovan, how was your night last night? I know you had a fantastic time. It was probably the best night that I've had in a long time. Top five, nine of my life. It was amazing. It was a top five hate watch that I've ever had yesterday. I was like, how was your night? Hmm.

You want to talk to us? What did you get into? Hmm. I heard it was splendid. Yeah, because I'm, listen, I was just at the crib chilling, right? I was just, you know. I gave her something on a grill, bro, from what I seen from Rudy Gaubert last night. I went out to eat, had some Indian food real quick, you know.

What did you do yesterday? I searched within. I looked for answers. I didn't find any. Just a endless depth of despair and longing for meaning in life for something to fill this void left inside of me.

I don't have any answers. You see what Rudy O'Barre can do to him, man? I've never, ever seen Rudy act like that. That's because you're Los Angeles. Let's got bounced out. Clap it up, clap it up. Ladies and gentlemen, the Los Angeles Lakers are officially out of here. J.J. Reddick is at home.

LeBron James is at home. Luca Dantius is at home. Austin Reeves at home. And it was because, listen, Rudy Gobert had himself a legacy game in the elimination spot, nearly a 30 and 20, put him out of the playoffs. Please. How are you feeling? Explain yourself.

Mr. Second Best Team in the fucking West? Explain. I said that too. Matt's saying like he didn't pick the Lakers to win. Yeah, but we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the Lakers losing. We're going to talk about the Bucks future, the Pacer is winning, obviously the Timberwell is winning. We're going to talk about every single NBA team in the playoffs right now, including the Lakers, we'll open with them.

We're going to do this by talking about one thing we've learned about every single NBA team in the playoffs so far. Yeah, man. Let's play the intro music. We'll talk about this goddamn team. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters, rejoice.

All right, you want me to go first? You want to get it at your system? What did you learn about the Lakers, Donovan? I learned that theory can only take you so far. That the idea of the Lakers and everything that we've talked about for the last three months or however long it's been since the Luca trade, all of that has felt better than what the Lakers. Actually, you work.

Yeah. So what I learned, okay, so what I learned from this series is fandom is a fucking disease. I allow myself to believe the hype because I was excited, obviously. I'm a Lakers fan. How could I not choose to believe they're going to win at least one series? But what we learned about this Lakers team is their strengths don't all weigh their weaknesses. You know, they, I tweet this, it's quite funny. I spent the last month on the show telling you guys the Lakers offense is overrated.

And I spent the first, really the last like 18 months before the Luca Trey telling you I hate Jackson. Hayes and that I think he sucks and he shouldn't be on my team and that he's a bad guy and I really wish I had not the root for him. I said that. I said both those things. I commonly talk a lot about how teams are who their net rating says they are. I commonly say the Thunder are going to win the finals because I have one of the best net ratings of all time and the modern NBA that matters more than anything else these days. How good you want both into the court is very measurable in the age in which basketball has been so optimized, right? I said all these things. And yet I still ignored all the signs and allowed myself to believe that the Lakers

would win with the overrated offense that was never once elite post-Luca trade being anchored by a good defense that was built upon a pillar of bullshit based on Jackson Hayes' rim defense and small ball that worked in the regular season but did not come to fruition in the playoffs.

All the warning signs are there when we did our preview episode. I acknowledged all the ways in which the Timber Wolf scared me why they could win but I was like, yeah, this could happen, this could happen, but it won't. Turns out it did. Turns out every swing factor that could have happened did happen for the Timberwolves

they beat them on the boards they beat them in the rebounding the second chance points they beat them in transition that better shooting better finishing better everything because the Lakers

were simply overmatched right we talked about this in our last stream we really did a lot of this talk on Tuesday when they were down 3-1 I kind of did my whole spiel about why I think it happened

but for those who didn't see we're going to talk a lot about every single aspect of this team the coaching the star players the shooting the role players everything it really really boils down to in the regular the season in which they were good, winning on the strength of a good defense, they were getting

25 minutes a game of weirdly competent Jackson Hayes' defense. He was straight up good. Yeah. It looked like Luca Donchich had made another center change his broke-ass life. It looked like we had seen Luca Donchich fix a bad center once again like he always does. We always say Luca makes any center work. It seemed like it happened with Jackson Hayes. The defense was good off of about 25 minutes a game of small ball and about 20 minutes a game of Jackson Hayes being the necessary threat as a role man and being the necessary. mandatory rim protection to make everything work, right? Quickly, it was shown in game one that you can't play Jackson Hayes.

Jackson Hayes play three minutes a game. Everything that worked with a small ball and how I felt the small ball would do a good job on neutralizing Rudy Goberra's impact as the score. That all worked in the first couple games. That was going well. You can't do that for a full series. You're going to get so tired. Everybody's going to be gassed.

Austin Reeves looked terrible because he had to play a lot of defense, fighting for his life. Everybody looked worse on offense because they had to fight for life, spending all their energy on defense because they had to play 48 minutes. minutes a game of small ball. That is outlandish. Every single thing comes back to the fact that the house of cards collapses when you literally can't play more than four minutes a game of the center. If I knew Jackson Hayes can only pay three minutes a game, I wouldn't have

fucking picked them. End of the day, there's a lot of things that went wrong. That's the swing factor is I stupidly let myself believe Jackson Hayes would be a playoff factor. And for that, I'll never forgive anybody involved in this team for convincing me that Jackson Hayes mattered. Certified Lakey Boy certified dumbass. That's what you are, but I'm right with you.

He picked the same thing. Again, listen, mind you, I was the most conservative up here about my approach of the series. I was the most respectful of the Timberwolves. It doesn't matter. And people were telling me last night, they're like, Don, do you pick the Lakers too. Either I was right or we get a successful hate watch. I'm winning either way, right? Like, understand that.

And the only other people who thought that Jackson Hayes could be a factor were the producers on TNT. Because every single time Rudeygo Bear scored, pan right over to Jackson Hayes on the bench that one that was one of the funniest just recurring bits

of the night I loved it but it was just it was very clear early on like just how hard the Lakers had to work for everything

and there was a moment where I thought that they might that they might win the game you know they took the lead in the fourth quarter or even like late third

and Luca had hit a fadeaway shot and I was okay like it looks like he's about to turn around do the do the Luca thing and it just never got there and every single time that they had a like a momentum shifting three Minnesota would come right back down yeah hit a three keep the lead at like five or six keep them at bay and you just saw over and over if Luca was not going to hit a crazy stepback three or if LeBron's three wasn't wasn't going to fall then it just wasn't going to work because they got they got some help like

Rui had a game last night. Rui was shooting the ball really, really well, and they just weren't able to really overcome his, like all the offensive deficiencies that they had. And then, like you said, Austin Reeves and really everybody had to play so much defense because Luca Dantage looked awful on defense again last night. And so that's another thing where, like,

if you're playing four on five, because one, he was also hurt, like the back spousandum, like he had a weird fall and after that it was really really just like food where anybody could go at luke and get by him and so if you're playing that kind of defense without a rim protector you're gonna you're gonna get i think the only thing you're gonna get beat every likeers need be slandered up and down the roster the only thing that i think this will happen because it's nature of the sport the only thing i think is unfair is the lucas slander to some extent yeah he is not a good defender he's gonna look way fucking worse with literally no more protector behind him

When your backline defense is Ruri Hachimori and Doreenny Smith, you're damn right, he doesn't look like shit. The way the Mazz were able to make him look decent is by funneling him to a big and having him smartly rotate out from that. They can't do anything of that sort schematically with this roster. So he was always not looked terrible. Austin Rue was always not looked terrible because that's super amplified by the fact they had to play five hard-fought games, a small ball. By the end, their legs are dead. And there's just no hope for survival with literally zero bigs. So I guess I'll let you go.

Yeah. If we're boiling it down to one thing we actually learn to distill to this. is that they are who people thought they were after the trade. They don't have bigs, and that came to fruition. They're an incomplete team that simply does not have the bare minimum interior force to be competent. Every strength we thought they'd have just whittles down to nothing when they don't have the necessary big men to be a regular competitive basketball team. Yeah, I agree at the end of the day.

All it comes down to is advantages in the playoffs. And this show that, you know, they just simply don't have enough, like you said. once the trade happened everyone was like oh my god like wide picture bigger picture here they're going to be great over the next five six seven eight 10 years or whatsoever but then like you said earlier or earlier in the week td3 tuesday 6 p.m eastern time pull up what are you doing you said that the viewership when it comes to perspective of the los angeles lakers it started to change simply because of had the little run i think it was like a 15 20 game run where they showed and for like we're able to formulate a elite defense completely out of nowhere yeah

and jackson hay was doing all the things that you were saying but in the playoffs obviously that's where everything gets exposed and teams start to beat the fuck and poke at your weaknesses and of course like you said the center spot is the biggest one for the lakers um this is the i don't want to see the worst possible matchup for the lakers but i will say in terms of their biggest strength and what we all picked and leaned towards at the end of the day. Like, damn to everyone else was, you, they got the two smartest players on the basketball court.

And alongside like that still like that being somewhat true, Anthony over there we literally watched him and sent to a whole new level stratosphere of like stardom. And I think he's fine. It's fair to say like he's a legitimate like superstar in the NBA. Oh yeah. And I, he's easily going to be knocking it down.

If not in these conversations already of being like, top five, top six, or whatever way you want to showcase me. Yeah, yeah, we talk about the top tier players being some combination of Yokic, Janice, Shea, Luca, Tatum. It's like, whatever order you want to put them in. That's typically people refer to as like the top five. And it's in that, like, number six. Like, he's in that mix.

Yeah. Obviously right now, it's easy to say he's higher than six because he just beat Luca. People are going to, you know, that's going to be the talking point. Whether or not. At least for the summer. At least, whatever. At least for the summer, it can reset in training camp. Lucas chain was snatched.

Yeah, whatever. don't care whatever or do you want to put it in and is firmly in that tier like he is in that conversation of you could debate him next to those guys between three through six like he's in that realm yeah he's ascended especially when he's playing against a team with no no rim protectors we can definitely say that now we'll see how that looks against draymond green or the rocket's fucking crazy defense in round two well that'll be good litmus test for him but certainly the whole best two players in the court advantage did not prevail because aunt played better and in large part because he is on a team that makes sense to allow him to play better right like we just

saw, like I mentioned, without any center play, everything collapses, and that includes their ability to get the most of their stars. And, yeah, their offense was just never great. And we'll talk about JJ Redick, a good amount. He had a very good defensive season, maximizing his defense, getting us excited post-Luca trade. Like I said, they were strangely competent, strangely got a lot out of Jackson Hayes. He never did a great job offensively of maximizing Luca ball with organized offense and not just going straight to isolation. That's a tough thing to figure out with Luca without a role man on this new team with LeBron and Reeves. And there's a lot of moving parts that make it difficult when you don't have time to gel.

They never did a good job of that. And they damn sure didn't do a good job of that in this playoff series. But like I said, it's impossible to do a good job of that when you have to play 48 minutes a small ball. Like I can't reiterate enough just how much every issue this team has is exasperated by the fact that they have zero backline help. And Austin Reeves, Luca, LeBron, all of them are constantly having to be the rim protector in their switch all scheme. Like, your legs get so shot that we, the big reason why we pick them and why we, you know, it's easy to say they have the two best players in the court, but what does it actually mean? What that meant is in practicality in late game situations, we trust LeBron and Luca to make the

decisions and crunch time and be able to out-execute in similar fashion to we trust Seth Curry and and Jimmy Butler do that against the Rockets that's played out a little bit more similarly. The difference is they have enough defensive infrastructure that Steph Curry isn't switching on to Nasree to every fucking play. So in the fourth quarter, he has some juice left to him. Exactly. guys did not and sure it's easy to say Jackson Hayes has always been bad so we should have foreseen this we should have he was also good for 25 games and that it was the only sample size

we had of him next to Luca he was good so I shouldn't have believed it obviously it's easy to say that now I don't know how to parse that like all we saw was him working with Luca and then it just didn't and I guess we can debate if JJ Redick should give him more of a chance but my god I've never seen a coach fucking hate a player more than that and give him such a small leash he got in the game made two mistakes not playing the rest of the game that feels too harsh because we see the outcome of that

is playing this much small ball as a non-starter you can't win so my mind goes to maybe you should have tried to empower him and try to figure out a way to get some value out of him instead of kick him out of the rotation but it's also easy for me to say that

when I'm not the one who has to play him and he's playing like shit yeah but would you rather like you have to you have to figure out which is the lesser of two evils I guess and it's either I'm going to play Jackson

Hayes and somebody who has been playing for me for the last, you know, what, two months, two, three months, or Maxie Kleber who just got. That's so embarrassing. That was stupid as fuck. I'm ignoring that. That was stupid. For the first time, all season has been cleared to play. And you're like, hey, we're in, we have our backs against the wall.

Go out and save us. Like, you know, like that, that could not have been the best option to play him and not even get two minutes. Out of Jackson Hayes, like that stuff, that stuff is really ridiculous shit. JJ did a terrible job in the last game. We could say that. Like, from the crash out in the media when he got that bad question that he, it was a bad question, but then he was like, did you just fucking ask me that? Are you implying?

I'm too young to know what I'm doing? Which like, bad question, but also terrible response, show some poise. From that to the fact that he literally cut Jackson Hayes out of the rotation after we saw in game forward that the small ball had kind of run its course to say, okay, then I guess we're going to play zero minutes instead of three of Jackson Hayes. to me that's a ludicrous decision that's too hard-headed he got stuck in his ways that was obviously a mistake but before then that's treating the games before that that's a debate jackson haves was going out there and getting two fouls in like three minutes because

rudy robert was destroying him on the boards making his off-ball fouls so it's tough to say you should have let jackson hayes keep trying but by game three really after game one i came up here in the stream last week and i was like i'm kind of worried because i did not see anything they feel good about even though we knew they would have a slower shooting time and the lakers would probably win some games. The small ball was clearly an issue to some extent. I feel like it was, to me, not being a coach, you clearly need to find a way to get something out of Jackson Hayes.

I agree. I'd rather, like you said, when it comes to the lesser two evils, me personally when it comes to how I choose to go out, I'd rather give someone like Jackson Hayes the opportunity to go ahead and do so. If he files out, cool, we just don't have the guys, but you have someone who at least physically has the, he's a space taker, bear minimum, is what you need and he is height.

Now, when it comes to how effective and efficient, he is using that height and using that 200, whatever frame body obviously is not going to get you to get you very far, but bare minimum, it's a body which was needed. Something that was so interesting this series, like you said, well, going back to what you said when it comes to why everyone eventually ended up picking the Lakers, we're like, yo, like they have the two smartest players on the court at all times. And when it comes to the fourth quarter's two, three minute mark, like we're going to trust Luca and LeBron nine times out of ten over someone like Anthony Edwards and I guess Mike Connifie gets those opportunities. And every single fourth quarter in this series, the wolves end up winning.

That's something that was completely unforeseen. And every single game in this series, too, outside of game two, the wolves beat the living shit out of the Lakers in the paint. They were wildly efficient, mad efficient. I think after game two, game three, Jada McDaniels in a post-game interview, talked about how, yo, I just realized, like, I'm the biggest player on the goddamn quarter at all times. I should keep on doing this shit. Do you know why the one every fourth quarter? Why so? Because the Lakers were fucking gas because they played 48 minutes of small ball and they had no energy left over when the crunch time came to play defense, while the Minnesota Timberwolves have a perfectly reasonable approach to their style of play.

and their guys aren't asked to rotate under the room and switch everything against big defenders nonstop. So their legs were completely fine. Especially one of those games. Nas Reid came in after sitting for seven straight minutes and blew the doors open in that fourth quarter. I think it was game four. Chris Finch smoked JJ Redick as a coach in the first round.

We all had been, one of the first ones come up here and say, we think JJ Reddick did a fantastic job navigating this season. We all have said, this is clearly going to be a top 10 to 15, whatever the number is, whatever you consider a great coach. He's going to be in that.

we also say there's going to be some growing pains, right? There's probably, you can't expect him to be great in the first playoffs. We'll see that'll be a big deciding factor of what version we get of him. We had a good hope. We said that we trust his defensive game plans to make a big difference in the series and we think that'll be an advantage for the Lakers. It maybe could have been and then it wasn't because they didn't play Jackson Hayes at all. I had no other alternative.

So the strengths of JJ Redd defensively went out the door immediately when he decided Jackson Hayes can't play or I guess when Jackson Hayes decided Jackson Hayes can't play because he can't play fucking horrible. outside of the defensive prowess of Jay J.J. Reddick, he's still a young, very raw coach. That's his strength right there is good defensive game plans. If that's irrelevant, he has nothing over Chris Finch. Chris Finch isn't the most mind-blowing fantastic adjuster ever, but he's a good, very competent high-level coach preparing his team and pulling the position to succeed, making good rotations,

late-game decisions, and that was a huge difference in the series. He made good use of their depth, whereas J.J. Redick saw a team with very little depth, and egoed his way into thinking he can do really advance like oh modern mind we're going to play our five best players big minutes because they can handle it all this like on the surface level smart stuff that you need to have a certain level of tact of applying it

he went way too far and I think his coaching ego really really hurt him in the end especially when your best player or best player whatever you have LeBron on your team who's 40 years old Luca right your top two guys is a 40 year old and a guy who is known for not being in shape, right? And Luca, when they, when they got

Luca, he, he was hurt and had to come back and play his way into shape. And you saw even, even through this series, you've seen Luca because of how much he was being taxed defensively run out of gas in some spots and go through injuries and be, be nicked here and there. And so you have, you have all of that so that like in itself is probably again you got to find ways to just steal minutes and steal a minute here two minutes there and and figure out that that aspect so that that's the laker side the other part that we wait hold on before we move on temper wolves we have to we're going to move on temper rules awesome Reeves look so fucking bad this is the worst possible matchup best third option at all like that that best third option in the league chain

is probably going to be snatched it's snatched after this series because it shows how if he's not like getting to the bro this entire series I think he took like seven free throws yeah because we talked about on the stream last week that this style of play

that they're allowing a playoffs right now is so much more physical this is the biggest difference you've ever seen between a regular season whistle and a playoff whistle that's always used as an adage like oh this type of stuff won't work in the playoffs usually that's gassed

this year it's not these guys are playing football in every series across the league and I'm not here to say whether it's good or bad it's what it is right it's a different level of intensity being allowed that clearly got to him this team he's going against has a lot of big strong elite defenders who are allowed to manhandle him and he is not equipped for that right now he was clearly physically outmatched and mentally

mentally put in a goddamn straight jacket it's a mix of that plus the defensive load he and everybody else had to bear with no rem protector his confidence was clearly so shot he was so overwhelmed by the limbs around him the crazy length and athleticism that it man not his brightest day at all I'm not gonna go as far as some Lakers fans would be like you gotta get rid of him

he clearly showed he's not ready for the stage but he better fucking learn from this I got the numbers for Reeves in this series I chose this 16 points per game 3.6 assists 5.4 rebounds he shot 32% from 3 and 41% from the field average averaged 1.4 free throw attempts per game.

That's 68% true shooting in the last 20 games of the season. 54. Huge jump. Yeah, he was overmatching. Yeah, we'll move on to Timberwell's getting their due, but this is the last time we're going to talk about the Lakers, so it's plenty of talk about, right? So not going to rush through it. One thing I will say about the Lakers, too, right before he turned the page, is that

it feels like J.J. Redick was trying to play, like, 2018, or 2019, Houston Rockets, small ball style. You remember how they, when they got Russell Westbrook, and they fully committed to like, okay fucking like we got Russ need the most space in the world click a pedal up by go to the bench or whatever it is back then the rockets had so many quality like three and d wings they had wings on wings on wings the trevor reasons of the world they had demari caro they had um fuck who else they had so many guys PJ Tucker PJ Tucker PJ Tucker and robert Covington made that work because they were fantastic interior defenders exactly forget about Robert Coventon shot blocking as a six

seven wing but yeah and no to be fair did you was forced into that because of the roster constraints. But yeah, TLDR, this Lakers team is incomplete like everyone thought they would be. We got a run in which we got excited because they showed us just enough life that we said, okay, we'll do the old adages, we'll say you don't want to, you don't want to bet against Luca, don't want to bet against LeBron. You do when the roster is incomplete. That's precisely who you should bet against.

They are not above being able to be outmatched. The modern NBA, we're so past the days of just having the best player being a winning formula when you have no other huge advantages. and this series is one of the best evidences that ever. The other best piece of evidence was the Timberwolves same exact team last year beating the shit out of the Phoenix Suns who we predicted to beat them for similar reasons.

Two years in a row now, we got to get past that as NBA fans, all of us, that with how good teams are today, with how much teams have figured out basketball to a science, the better team that's more complete that shows me better over long periods of sample size, most times barring a crazy collapse or shooting variance or whatever

is going to be the team that wins. We've got to get this out of our head that these certain guys, they just figured it out in the playoffs. We haven't seen that in quite a while. That's not how the league works anymore. Well, okay, so two things. One, we're kind of seeing that

with Denver and the Clippers because every day... I said barring chokes. Look at James Harden's ass right now. I'm just saying, we've given the Clippers a lot of praise and you look on the other side and you look at some of the performances

that Denver's gotten and you're like, how are you even here? Oh yeah, it's because you're a guy who like if because jokic is one of those those kinds of guys coming into the year and i think even right now like well obviously we're still talking about ascending into that tier but one of those players that we think is firmly in that tier is luka the way that luka performed in the playoffs last year and obviously it's a different setup correct that that's where it is no no no i mean but it is it is still fair the way that he performed last year and shot making that down the stretch and all

of that you look at that and you say okay you were able to to elevate to a certain level and In that case, you feel fine about saying we have the best player in the series. So that's the point. That's one, though. Those are complete different scenarios. That's exactly what I'm saying is we can't just say, Luca equal good in playoffs. So he's going to elevate. That's what we all treat it like.

But Luca was good in playoffs and he was flanked by two great pick and roll bigs, athletic wings, a good secondary shotmaker. It was the perfectly built team for Luca to be able to thrive in situations, everything. We always say that. The best players in league are not immune to that. that is the takeaway from this is that when you're putting Luke in the best spot to make his value maximized,

he can carry you. This team was never that and we can't treat even Luke Dunditch. The poster point of that is Janus. We're clearly seeing it with the Milwaukee books. Like, he is by far, like, the best player in that series. Doesn't fucking matter. Why? Because he got KPJ in his corner. Why? Because he got Kyle Kuzma,

like, averaging five points per game. Like, you know? There's no, like, no ex-player's good enough to elevate you. There's context there. Luka is good enough to elevate you when had when he has the right luca infrastructure he does not have that right now so we can't be that we can't treat everybody like it's a if you hit a 2k rating threshold you're going to be that guy in the playoffs and we're scared to play you teams are way over stars these days okay i think i think way overstar is a bit of a stretch one of what you just watched it's not a stretch they got

beat by a guy that we're saying is one of the six best players in in the world so like if luca had the same infrastructure you wouldn't be having a conversation you would say lucca is still clearly better. So like ants, ands ascending into that thing also. And listen, Luca, one of the, one of the reasons why I was like, oh yeah, they are 100% going to, going to win the series is because I thought that they were going to make sure that Rudy Gobert was absolutely food. And you saw, you saw time and time again, Gobert defended everybody, whether it be LeBron, Reeves, or Luca, he defended them as well as you possibly can. And that was one of, that was one of the advantage. I thought was like a very very serious thing for for the lakers go bear his defense and we

talked about him last night especially which last night was the culmination of you guys are just small right like that's that's what last night was but for him to come out and go from missing every lay he was five for 12 before this last game that's crazy he looked like one of the most clumsiest offensive bigs that we've ever seen and then for him to go last night and almost have a 30 20 game is absolutely insane that's how bad this was awesome Shout out to Rudy Gobert because we, me specifically, obviously, like, love to just make fun of Gobert and do all this other stuff. There's like 100 videos of you making fun of Rudy Go Bear. I know.

I was going to say that too. If you brought up, you're like, I thought he was going to be food. There's your problem thinking Rudy Gobert is easy to expose. That's never been the case. Who has been somebody that has been able to attack and create advantages and to be good against, against Gobert, regardless of. if his defense is good or not. Are you talking about Luca? Well, that's largely gas.

He didn't just obliterate Goberra last year. They won with defense. And that was a problem with that. And this isn't just to you. Everybody says this. Like, people are ratioing low on Twitter right now because he tweeted after game two. I told you Rudy Gobert can't play in the playoffs.

You guys know, I've always been a Rudy Gobert defender. Yeah. That has largely always been fucking idiotic. People that pretend Rudy Gober's defense has ever been an issue. Literally never once has been a real issue that makes their team lose the games. The offense, that's a motherfucking issue.

The offense. And I thought the offense would be an issue. And I think it was, like you said, until this game, this game, the difference was, like I said, they played four tough games of playing small ball. Their legs were shot from the beginning this time. And they made a good adjustment that they essentially treated Rudy Gaubert the same way the Rockets do Stephen Adams, where they said, no matter what we're doing, you stand under the rim. When they're doing this zone, this rotating, you be there to get the offense of rebounds and you dunk it.

You don't go back in defense. Don't try to run in transition. You don't try to rotate too hard. Don't try to come set screens. Stay under the paint and dunk it every time. That was a good Chris Finch decision. to change that up because they knew the Lakers can't continue to play this way. They're gassed and it worked.

And it's great to have, it's great to be able to have Rudy's defense and tell him, don't do anything except for that when you have Anthony Edwards handling double teams the way that he handled them in the series. When you have Julius Randall, who, and I think we all said it, like obviously your playoff history wasn't great, but also you were hurt going into the last two playoff series or the last two playoff runs that you've had. this is the first time that he's actually been fully healthy and he's and he had a really good series and what did you learn about timbre was sorry i mean i thought you're done sorry no go

go ahead well what did you learn about timbrel's the biggest thing that i learned was talking about anti-airwards and his ascension earlier in the week i in the stream i said that anti-airwards he has a total number assist of 31 compared to just six tonovers he's levitating he is just in another planet right now but aside from that because that's the most obvious thing I saw like, yo, the biggest thing is, this is the goddamn biggest team in the playoffs. And Rudy O'Bair and Nas Reid and the rest of those guys are actually deep. They have depth. The biggest disparity also in this series that we saw was on average, the Lakers bench produced eight points per game.

Nas Reid alone averages like 14 points per game. What the fuck is going on right now? It's a big advantage. Yeah. So I guess what you're describing is depth. What we learned is second. trade in a row. The consensus says the Timberwell has lost to trade. You give it

a year. You give it the course of one season. The Julius Randall trade was a success. We have learned that. I think we have all come, we up here had come around to it. Second half of the year when we saw the big change that they did around the deadline where they made, to boil it down to a simple way to phrase it.

They made Julius Randall the primary screener in Pick and Roll attacks and Rudy Gobert in the Dunker spot. So they used Julius Randall as a downhill playmaker and used his short roll passing plus his ability to attack of defense, like around the spacing of Gobert. Like, they really unlocked the ways to deploy him the second half of the season. That's why they really ascended.

We all talked about that. So we weren't, we had been said we're wrong about that trade to some extent. But we still had our question marks, right? We all said the Randall trade is working, but is it still like, was it smart compared to just keeping Kat? I don't know. I don't necessarily think so. So I think the main thing we learned is vindication for Tim Connolly. You did it again.

They won with depth because they got a two for one. Yeah. Randall fit defensively better than Kat. You saw him switch. It was the biggest thing why I was so open about this trade. When this trade initially dropped, you guys are like piss poor about it, super upset. And of course, like, why the fuck would you do this after you had the most successful year

prior to this year? But me, personal, I was like, when it comes to Julius Randall, I know he's not known as a good defender, but he can be simply because of his mobility and how he's able to guard certain players who get lower to the ground compared to Kat is a tremendous upside. And that alongside his ability to playmaking, Dante de Vincenzo is why I was like, okay, this trade isn't as bad as I, as everyone's making it seem to be that. Plus, flexibility reasons that's irrelevant to talk about right now. But the simple, I guess the word that you like to use is like release vows that that, that Julius Randall is able to provide in Dante de Vincenzo is like the Timberville's biggest strength.

They have so many options and reliable options at that as well. You're right. You got it. You won. You won the battle. You won the war. And that's a, that's a Chris Finch thing because I think for, for Randall, he very much like, and we've, I've talked about it before, his mood is very, very up and down.

And I think early on, we were very, very vocal about the, the defensive effort that we, that we saw from, from Randall and how it was sometimes, some night he would be engaged, some nights he wasn't, when he wasn't engaged, it was his poor defense. They did a very, very good job of realizing if you're going to, going to maximize him, you have to give him a job and make him feel like he is actually a part of the framework of the team rather than just rather than say, okay, aunt, you go do your thing, Julius Randall, you go do your, your believe all thing. And the fact that their offense feels cohesive, you were able to create an environment where Randall felt, you know, felt involved

in everything and felt like he actually had some buying and some ownership. And so that is one of the the major, major things because the, one of the reasons why I was like, okay, this trade is fine is because Randall does have more playmaking chops than thing cap. Exactly. And so, and so offensively, you felt like, okay, that's going to give them another, another layer. But that, like, being able to unlock that and, and having Randall be his full self, that was very, very key. And you're just, you're seeing it right, right now.

And so we had a conversation, what? last week or maybe somebody said a note where it's like are the clippers the best team like the second best team in the west and it's like actually it's probably the jimber the warriors probably yeah they they probably are and seeing the way that the warriors are are relying on guys like like quentin post and gis santos to really make stuff happening and moody and all these all these people i feel a little bit better about minnesota in their depth rather than they certainly have less variance to them like they're the safest team i think if you're looking at the what the the landscape of the west and who you want to predict to get to the conference finals and

give the thunder the best chance of anybody they have the best floor right now like they are a safe team that's jelling that are working that have the depth they don't have to rely on any bad players uh i saw this one article i forgot who wrote it i wish i remembered somebody wrote that the age of the best player being the what the size of the championship is gone we're now in the era of the weakest link i did see that yeah don't have the weakest link out there i think uh the You know Ball Podcast has a theory they're talking about, but they phrase it as the no shitters theory. Don't play any shitters.

Don't have anybody out there you can pick on that are clear weaknesses. Timberwolves do not play any shitters. I'll tell you that. They have a deep one through eight. They can go a little bit deeper with some young players as they needed to. They have absolutely no shitters. And that is a big deal in the playoffs. Every other team we can point to has some sort of weak link.

Now, we'll see how we feel when we predict the future rounds between the Timberwell's top end stars where some other teams. but their bottom end to middle end stronger than anybody's. Yeah, exactly. I agree. There's almost no scenario in which you wouldn't want

their 1 through 8 excluding Rudy Gaubert playing on the court at all times. Like everyone legitimately has a role for every single second and minute that the court is ongoing. So I agree. Yeah, man, so shout out to Tim Connolly.

He did it again. We all, everyone has to equal on this trade. And yeah, I still don't love the flexibility argument for the long term. But they undoubtedly, like, the fit, they're, you could say they're a better basketball team that has a better versatility against certain matchups. Like, you can just say straight up for this year, they got better after the catcher. It's not crazy if you want to go that route. I'm bought in to the flexibility part of it because at this point, if you tell me that you want to do any, any type of roster reconstruction, I'm like, okay, fine.

You have, you have aunt. And I'm so, I'm so, so, so bought in. to what aunt is doing and everything that that they're building it in Minnesota because listen man these these these clips I'm telling you I'm I'm so moved I'm so I'm so moved for him for him to to beat Durant Yokic and LeBron in in three of his last four playoff series and then even even last night just the fun social clips taking a victory lap around that's dope Doing all this stuff, pulling out receipts. All that is awesome.

Every time that he gets in front of a microphone in big spots like this, especially when he doesn't play well, he takes every single moment to be like, no, like my teammates are doing it. Like he's bigging them up. His leadership, his growth into being the number one guy, it's face of the league stuff. You know what I'm saying?

And it doesn't. And he doesn't want it? Oh my God. Oh, my God. Of course the moment. Of course the Moidee would not think he's the Maudeem. Making him that much more the Molydeem. Yeah, I'm all in.

We'll talk a lot more about Tim Bulls when we do our second round predictions on the stream next week, presumably when the other streams are over. So much to say about them. But like, I guess it boils down to people were tweeting me whenever I was on Twitter talking about the Lakers losing making jokes about it. People were like, do you believe in us now?

I'm like, I never didn't believe in you. I'm just a fucking Lakers fan. And I was not going to pick against the Lakers with Luca Doshish in the first time at the playoffs. If you think I wasn't do anything other than convince myself that Lakers are going to win at least one playoff series, you're out your fucking mind. I was always going to pick them in the first round.

But against any other matchup, I was on the Timber Wills, bandwagon, I was scared of them. I'm very excited to see them in the second round. I'll say that. I'm not sleeping on them whatsoever. It's going to get scary.

It's going to be terrifying. Now, with that being said, if the Lakers had won this series, I don't think I was going to pick them against the Warriors. I've been very scared of the Warriors as of late. So I ducked that smoke because now we're not going to see that playoff series. I might have to come up here and say I'm picking the Warriors and I think I would have done it

No, it's about to get scary for the lake We're going to talk about it in the summer, but it's kind of scary I don't think it's that relaxed It's not scary. They have Luca Donchage and they have a flexibility to do other things What's the next match? It's not scary at all But this is a little time Yeah, not really

Not really Over under three and a half years You get a chip with Luca I don't know Getting a chip is such a hard That's so hard But like I think if you tell me during the conference finals next year

because they got Nick Claxton. Make the finals. Make the finals. I think the Thunder are here to stay. You're talking to the number one Thunder layers in the world. I'm going to say over. I'm going to say over. I'm picking the Thunder for until I over three and a half years just to make the finals.

If they get Nick Claxton in the summer. Everything has to go right. I'm saying in whatever scenario you, you think is like best case scenario. If they don't make the finals in three years, would you be disappointed? Again, I think no, because I think the Thunder are this good. But I'll say this. If they get Nick Claxon in the summer for like the. Mark Williams package plus another pick

I think they will be good enough to make the conference finals and at that point they can compete you know like they'll be the contender we thought they could be if they get a center like Nick Claxton that's like they're to become like to be able to beat the thunder you need do more you better figure some other shit out that I don't know if it's possible but to hit the baseline competency that they can be

who we hope they could be it says to me it's as simple as getting the center that's enough to be in the conversation I don't think anybody's passing the thunder up anytime fucking soon yeah I think considering how committed Rob Polink it is after this series, I think it was this morning or last night, probably this morning. He was talking about how, like, he's committed to making roster moves and changes

and making LeBron Zane's life so much easier. So for me, personally, I'm going to speak for you. It's probably going to be, it will be safer to say under, but I'm going to say over. So because there's so many moving parts, injuries happen. Luke was only 25, 26 years old. I feel like. And LeBron's 40. I don't know how much longer going to be there.

I don't. I'm not thinking about it through, like, they got to get a chip the next three years. They don't. Like, I have no clue. I just put a number. I know. saying like it's not where my mind goes i think they will be i just think about it like they got to be good enough and have a roster that makes enough sense to give themselves a chance and then

we'll see how it looks any given year with the pieces that are at hand yeah the pieces aren't even there so it's hard to yeah and i don't think it's hard for them to get those pieces well it's not easy it's not unreasonable they got to give up some shit to get it but it's like they will the summer they're they're gonna come next year with a team that makes sense on paper and then they they will it's a put up or shut up year for luca dants we'll see how we can carry he has by far the most pressure on going into next season easily by far but i trust he'll give him the necessary competency around him that we'll find out what his real ceiling is and that's all i care about is like just make it make sense and we'll we'll see how the pieces go out i'm not even going to try and project

because who knows what it looks like but they should and will i think have a team that makes sense next year i will say a very very interesting storyline that's not talked about just yet austin rees will be up for a contract extension sometime in the future i am so interested in to seeing how that plays out whether or not they did try they decide to let him go ahead and ride out i think the maximum of money that could offer him is like maybe 22 25 mil a year and oh he's gonna test every age he's not i will be noticing i will be peeping that out he's gonna get 28 to 30 mil i think he's not can get like a max but he's gonna get 28 or 30 he's gonna get a good amount of money which that means lakers got a waves like that's the case

no it doesn't what it means is lebron picked that fucking pay cut you're 40 and you're clearly not a top 10 player anymore like i was telling you guys all year mr number six LeBron's going to go ahead and take a pay cut? Yes. He said he would last summer. As long as Rob Plinka can fucking get some players, we'll see. He's done it before, so I guess it's not out the question, but regardless of the fact, still number six. If they can get, yeah, that was insane, by the way.

That was insane. But yes, that's another thing. Another thing we learned about the Lakers, which we've been learned all year. People just didn't want to admit it. LeBron is not a top-ton player anymore. That's abundantly clear. So they have to approach their decision-making with that in mind because he is not at that level anymore.

Top 15 might be kind of hard. I don't know it's top. I don't know it's top. I don't know it's top 15 right now. It's tough, tough these days. So that pay cut better be coming so we can get some players around. 50 mil for 18th best playing in the league is a tough, tough sell. Hey man, listen, he's about his bag too. Yeah, I don't know.

Everyone's like, hey, Tim Duncan got carried when he was 40. Why can't LeBron, blah, blah. Tim Duncan took some fucking pay cuts. So we got a give and take if we want to see that happen. Yeah, we'll see what. We'll see how he moves. We'll see. All right, next playoff series, like I said, we spent a lot of time on that.

It's the last time we're going to talk about the Lakers for the rest of the playoffs we had to. Now, going to do the rest of the NBA playoff series, let's go out east. Bucks versus Pacers. Donovan, what did you learn about the Milwaukee Bucks? I learned that they are going to be an NBA hell for the next four or five years. Tough. And we had, again, we had the conversation about Damon on stream earlier this week and kind of how that impacts the butts and their outlook and the fact that They don't control any of their picks until 2031.

The fact that they traded a franchise legend for Kyle Kuzma, who barely played in these last couple games. And whenever he did, he was not good. Put up a Tony Snow, a 0-0-0-0-0-0, whatever. You were leaning on KPJ, Brooke Lopez, who throughout this entire experiment of, yeah, we're going to bring Damon, and it's okay because we're going to have Janice and Brooke to man the defense. Brooke Lopez wasn't even hooping like that.

And so now you look at this. And the lasting image from the buck season is Janice trying to fight Benedict Matherin and Tyrese Halliburton's dad. I will say, so they just announced right now that after a conversation, Halliburton's dad is not going to be at any of the home or road games. Wow. I think it's a bit OD. Like I understand, listen, it's not a good look to have your father out there

fighting the other team. I understand that. Just don't let him have like courts. teach put him up in a suite and let him be there like saying that he can't attend the game that's a that's a bit od i love drama i've never given less of a fuck than i have about this drama i saw these clothes i'm like bro yonnes is so pissed about it tyrese is saying he's taking accountability saying his that was the wrong i'm just like i do not fucking care about this shit man i mean he's that is that is that what's wrong but yeah he's not going to attend home or real

games for the quote foreseeable future and it's like all right bro like come on but yeah like the bucks no they're they're absolutely cooked and i don't know where I don't know where they go because Mo like Mo brought up a good point was with that if you trade Janice and you tank

for what you don't have control of your own pick so now you're going to be beholden to the rest of the league and so like I guess it's kind of a better situation but if you trade like a lot of the teams that can trade for Janus are good young cores who

if they get Janus they're going to good for the next four or five years right and obviously projecting out are these picks going to be valuable in four or five years that's always like a crap shoot you never know what's going to happen but it's not a great bet that you want to make in the moment and so i don't i don't know so i think yeah i don't know where they go from they're just to me it's simple they're beholden to whatever yannis wants if yonis wants to write it out and be loyal and say i'm retiring this franchise that you guys are right by me i'll do right by you and he wants to be mid and have no chance of winning for the next however long

Damien Lode is on under contract for the next two and a half years I guess he's a major for one of them if he wants to go out and just win 40 games a year and do right by the franchise he can do that and they'll be happy to sell tickets with him on the front of the building if Janus looks around and says obviously

there is absolutely zero path to this team being a contender next year or the next year or maybe the next year or any foreseeable year and he requests a trade they're going to have to do it and they're just going to have to prioritize a package in which they get players that are competitive while being young,

they're going to have to say maybe the Rockets want to give a Sengoon. I saw people were debating that on Twitter. Rockets fans were like, fuck now I'm not giving up Sengun, are you stupid? And everybody that's not a Rockets fan was like,

are you stupid? It's Janus. Of course you go up Sengoon. Whatever the package is, right, they're going to have to target some competent good players. Like if the Pachers want, they're going to say,

we want Siaqum back because we want to continue to be competitive. And they're going to have to totally line. So pretty much sounds like you're saying that they're going to have to pray. Yeah, no, literally. the you is whatever yonis wants because it's up to him to request a trade or not and if you request it you got to do it nobody says no these days so if they trade them they have to tow the

line for the reasons you're saying and maintain a competitive roster with players that are proven talent and not asset packages it's a bad situation to be clear like they just are screwed and they have to play whatever hand they're dealt if i'm yonis me personally i'm requesting the trade yesterday two weeks ago you should have been done it you look you want to change it to it's back in 2021 after like so many years and so much like things going your way when it comes to oh shit like we stumbled on to a second round pick who belonged to the Detroit Pistons and turned them into something Chris Middleton oh shit like we just went ahead and got rid of the Eric Bletsow days and we read up and we somehow more actually got Drew Holiday oh my god wow like we

got Brooke Lopez and he's evolving his game into like exactly what you'd want in a 2020 style like basketball play all these guys and all like the formula is entirely broken and each and every year they've just been worse and worse and worse and you're if i'm yonness it's like okay bro you i look around the room none of my guys are with me anymore and the guy who is and bobby porters and brookelopez bobby porters i'm not going to repeat to say that name again bro he's not the fucking same bro he's not not the fucking same so and on top of that too the franchise legend and Chris Middleton you get rid of him

he would I don't care he could have been on the bench not even playing he would have been way more useful than what Kyle Kuzma was able to produce for them he averaged five points

on like 30% from the field bro he did absolutely nothing and then you know what the mocky bucks went ahead and did right after that performance too in the middle of the playoff series

they re-upped their GM and they gave him a contract that was crazy for fucking what for what in my mind that's easily one of the most disrespectful powerful things to happen to a superstar NBA player. And if I'm honest, I'm just demanding a trade, bro.

There's no point in sitting down, riding the ship out on a sinking ship and winning 42, 43 games. It's over. Yeah. You can't imagine there's any logical reason to stay. It all comes down to how he wants to see the next few years of his life, what matters to him. And it's just time will tell.

Apparently they have a meeting like today going on, I believe. Yeah, I saw that. Well, time will tell, right? It's not even much to say about the books. They are just screwed and they're in their. new the newest member to that club of the infamous year of 2024, 2025 in which the Phoenix Suns, Philadelphia 76ers, and Dallas Mavericks all saw their franchise go up and smoke. Welcome to the club, Bucks, the four horsemen of the shit apocalypse.

You are now in the inner circle of fucked. Can I tell you what I learned about the Indiana Pacers in the series? I would love for you, tell me that because I'm done talking about the books. These Canadians are dangerous, man. Andrew Nemhard turned into a not a different player because in the playoffs against the Buck specifically, he just fucking hates him. He is so damn good, along with like the five through, again, similar to the Minnesota Timberles, along with the five through seven, five through eight.

Should they go, they go really go nine, bro, if they really wanted to. Every single one of these players just makes sense on this roster. And they, just like the similar to the Lakers, made the Milwaukee Bucks pay for the lack of depth by having continuous players who just make sense to be on the court at all times and are flexible and versatile in every way possible and just makes sense. sense for their play style. Yeah, I feel like the pictures is like the one team I didn't learn anything about

because they just are who we thought they were. We said they are the better team and they're going to beat these guys ass. They did. We have long said that we like Tyreys Halliburton that now that he got past the 15 games when she was Dogwater and he was horrible for the start of the season,

now that that's passing, return to normalization, we reject the idea that he's the most overrated player in the league like the players voted him. We hate that. We're pro-Hally, right? He played great.

He actually sealed the final game by blowing by yonness that was surprising. He didn't even have a great series actually bro. He just put up like 17 and he averaged like he shot like 36% from three point line. Yeah, he just grew well. Like a Tyrese game or series for real. Exactly. But the beauty of Tyreys Halliburton, that shit does not matter because you're not going to, well I guess you can. The bucks cannot make him uncomfortable to disrupt his playmaking. He's the best decision maker in the NBA right now besides Nicole Yokich, I guess.

His brand of playmaking is so special and so similar to like a Steve Nash type where They're not going to prod around and necessarily make these corner skip passes every time, hunting the assist every time and making the play that least in the shot. They're going to keep the ball moving with smart, fast, especially really quick decisions that just lead to good offense, swings the ball, keeps moving to where it needs to be a proactive passer that every time he's on the court, the team will be in a mode of hunting a good shot. You don't see a lot of possessions where things stall out and get gross because he's pounding the rock too much. He just plays a good style of basketball.

that like I feel like I'm talking like coach speak around like a white running back prospect where he does it the right way everything he does a real grit team player that's how Tyree Saliburton is he is the the epitome of white stereotypes around players but that's real with him that's that's very funny I'm yeah like this this series I think ultimately is defined just more by by the the butts in their situation than the Pacers and and theirs and so whenever we talk about them, I look at Indiana and I look at them versus Cleveland. And I'm actually very, like, excited and interested for that series because, one, we've, we've already seen last year, even whenever Tyrese wasn't, you know, playing particularly well. But we saw this team be

able to push Boston, a team that, you know, had one of the best profiles of all time as a title team. We saw them push that team every single game. All those, all those games were close. close. You come back. Tyrese is playing, but he's playing better this year. You have another year of experience. And the Cavs, as great as they are, are not the 24 Celtics from last year. I think, like, one, they're going to be competitive in every single game. And how many games can they win? Like, I think right now, I think I would still pick Cleveland, but it honestly wouldn't shock me. And I haven't, like, done a super, super deep dive into it yet. But it wouldn't shock me if the series went seven?

Seven would shock me? Again, it's a lot, but the way that Indiana is is playing and maybe that's how bad, okay, hold on. Don't let the walking bucks money of your vision here. Maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just caught up. But they do have, they do have some, some answers and a lot and some advantages to where they could, they could push the cabs. Don't make it work for it.

The calves have to play their A game. They can't have like second half. The last, like, once of the season, they had some dry spells in which they were going to the motions. They can't go through the motions. They got to play their A game for sure. The Pacers are the type of team you got to be on top of it or they'll flood you. I do think the Cavs present issues that the Thunders can't remember they have answers for. But we'll get to that.

I won't pick them. But it'll be a tough series. You're right. It won't be. The Cavs will walk over a lot of teams in this playoff run. You're not, nobody's walking over the Pacers. If you beat them, it'll be tough. It's minimum six.

Like, I don't see Cleveland winning in five. I think Indiana is, I think. I think they can go and get too off of Cleveland I guess we can fly through the boring ass Cavs versus the Heat series real quick because if you want to talk about things you learn I said in the Lakers versus Timberwell's section that in the modern NBA

with how advanced things are and how to a science the game is played you typically are who your net rating says you are and all year the net rating of the Cavs said this team is monstrous they'll beat the fuck out of whoever is in front of them in the playoffs my god did they beat the fuck out of Miami dude not only do they beat the fuck out of them

they beat the fuck out of them as much as you can beat the fuck out of you history like human history nobody beats fucks at the cavaliers beat fucks that's what i learned is that they just like people people were trying to get cute and they're on twitter like oh myami heat upset like it was obviously like bozo shit but nobody expected them to lose a game i mean to lose a series but i guess some people were like maybe they get a game or whatever the calves came out they should have coulda wooda the calves came out and they put their fist down and they beat the 8 seed like they should beat them with the biggest margin anybody's ever beating them for like you said so to me

I just learned that the calves are serious now they didn't play any competition so I'm not going to be like they're going to win the finals but you need to see you know you always have to wait things on a curve when you're looking like a 1-8 matchup because you know they're going to win the series so there's certain things to look for do they get their game off do things translate to a playoff atmosphere because

even if it's a bad team they're still game planning for you every night they're still going to be an elevation even if they're not like talented everything translated just fine i feel perfectly fine about the calves they showed the exact level of ass open they need to show this team is just as good as a regular season suggested they'd be yeah Miami had very much one to three cancun energy yeah in game so the calves we learned you are we are we are who you thought you were so good what did you learn about the miami heat and how piss they are the only thing that i learned about them they didn't show the highlights on inside the NBA that's that's that's absolutely and say ernie johnson he's like yeah we're

we're not going to subject you guys to this that's how bad that that they were in that, in that last game. For the heat, I was, I was waiting for y'all to get beat like this the whole time, right? Like, you guys are a, are a team that is in transition. You had your star, request to trade mid-season. Your culture looks like it's, it's kind of shaky right now. You are relying on Tyler Hero and Bam and all this other stuff.

And it's like, it's fine, but I don't, they don't know who they are right now because their whole franchise is in flux right now. So it's fine Three first-on picks Awesome reviews Rui Hachimora Does that get me

Bam out of bio? Pat Rye's gonna say no And fuck you go to hell Soon because LeBron's on that roster He would rather retire Yeah I'm not giving you guys bad And not happening Yeah so they're similar to the Cavs

Where we learned that you are Who we thought you were right Not much new to go around Not many silver linings This is a team that's Without their top dog and their secondary dogs are not the type of guys that can scale up and lead you to anything of note.

Bam has, we've talked about the past a year and a half, right? Bam is stagnant offensively. He's not developed the way we wanted to see him develop as the years go on. Bam is who Bam is, right? So nobody expected him to come out and get 20 shots off without Jimmy Butler. And Tyler Hero, if he plays a season without Jimmy Butler,

he can be an all-star like we saw. That is very within the realm of possibility. It did happen. It's not going to be this like, great option in the playoffs you're not going to be excited by that duo right like they're just a team in flux that needs to figure out whoever is going to be their next guy how they can get them if they can get them with this core intact what the trade will be if that's going to happen if not how we start over you know they're not really a they're not a tanking type of organization but there's some kind

of reset or plan has to come in place this summer if they go into next season with the same core intact and just try to figure it out Miami heat fans will have nothing to watch for we also we can't act like this is an eight seat they're 10 seats true i forgot about that they're there are 10 see i forgot about that man that hawks suck you know what i'm saying like that that's what this team is and so you're not looking at a 1-8 you're looking at a 110 you're right sorry so it looks like a 110 series yeah this is this is a team that i catch you you let this happen you may be watch this try on when i catch you this is the 10 seed in the weaker conference they are not a good basketball team yeah and so whenever you get to next season and you have teams like

like the Hawks, who will hopefully be healthy. You'll have teams that are getting better that are going to be able to steal wins away from them. They might be the 11 or 12 seed next year because Toronto at 11, they might be better. They're getting better. Philly, if they don't have the year from hell, they can get better.

They can get better. I hope so, but I don't know what the ceiling is these days with 12. Brooklyn at 26. But like all there's a there's a whole bunch of these teams. The Hawks should be back in the Texas. I mean the Hawks were the 18 but you look at you look at the C team and they were 37 and 45 27 games behind Cleveland. There's no reason why they should have been in this position anyways. And so yeah, you're you're a bad team that got you congratulations. You beat the hawks you won two straight games and that was your prize okay let's move on to another good

series going back out west let's talk about rockets versus warriors this series is currently three two as of us recording this by the time of you guys watch this on friday it'll be the night of game six that could end the series in which the golden sea warriors would close them out or the rockets could force the game seven we'll see uh we all predicted this game to series to go seven i think that might say it's five or six i don't remember i said warriors in six yeah me and mo both thought it would go seven so we'll see if the rockets and hope they're in the bargain we picked warriors in seven up here thus far it's looked more towards the warriors than we thought yeah but but then game five happened and the warriors clearly thought they had that shit wrapped up did not come out with intensity and the Houston rockets came out and defended with the force of one thousand sons they came out and they fought for their goddamn life in the game five at home and you felt it they just snuffed them out from the start they ran a beautiful zone defense a man thompson was the best player on the court after having a very, very quiet first few games in which the smart defenders and the Warriors

are able to really make him pay for his lack of shooting. He had a great game, exerted himself in the paint. They even the series, so they blew the doors off, and the Warriors gave up in the third quarter. They bench their starters and said, fine. We'll come back game six. Y'all got it. What is your, so Warriors first.

What have you guys learned about the Warriors? Knowing all that, knowing where we're at going into game six. When it comes to the Golden State Warriors, for me, I learned that the other guys matter so, fucking much of course every team that's probably not a shocker or any like deep dab analysis whatsoever but like for just they're so reliant and they're they're how good they are in my mind swings entirely so much more than any other team in the league because their top end scores and what's after them is such like it's such an insane void yeah they're really really heavy

top end the team yeah exactly so whatever that they can get from pods or buddy healed or gp2 or any of those guys and matters way more than every other team in the entire NBA and and the games that you know step curry i think it was game three or four i think it was game four and the games that step curry is shooting like right putting up like 16 17 points one for nine from three or whatever the case may be we see pod stepping up we see gp2 stepping up we see all these other guys like doing their thing um and also i something really that i learned as well is I feel more and more comfortable with Jimmy Butler and his injuries because it feels sustainable if the other guys with his presence it just unlocks so much

things naturally if he's just there on the court yeah I learned that uh the people who act like Dramon Green didn't have a DPOI candidacy because they were annoyed by him campaigning for it you guys are out of your fucking mind Dramong Green is still one the best defenders in the NBA I got a question for you what Dramon Green 100 Dramon Greens versus one gorilla who you taken I think 100 Mees could be to guerrilla I think that question is stupid

I think I'm picking the humans every time All right I think I've seen enough discourse That I 10 guerrillas versus 100 Jamon Greens Who are you thinking

Oh shit 10 guerrillas Okay so what's the number Let's let's break it down How many guerrillas Would take to beat Germon Greens Yes

Okay so this is still this How many Dreymong Greens Will take to beat one Is really what we're getting down to Okay Okay Okay Because you know

Yeah Yeah Because a lot of the Discores is like Okay, fine, you get 100 men What is the quality, right? Like, how strong, how strong is it? Like, Draymond Green in terms of the elite athlete.

Yeah, elite athlete, 6, 7, very strong. You have, you have 12, Drumon Greens. I'm taking 12 Jermon Greens against one gorilla. 12? I think in the question, I think Everyone treats gorillas that they're made of fucking Adamantium. Like, they're just unbreakable beings. And I think that's outlandish.

I think 20 men could take down a gorilla. You think? How many of us can take down to Gorilla? It would take about 40 of mees, 65 mees, something like that. Yeah. But like, if we're assuming it's of random qualities and we don't know the ability, like, of the people, it's just an average person.

20, 20, 25, I think could do it. Okay, we can stick to the Dremont thing. 12 Dremonts. For me personally, I think I lean towards like 20 because the first three or four Dremonts are going to shred it to, like, pieces. I think Dremonds are very happy sacrificing like seven of those. How smart is Dremont going to be when it comes to how he decides to attack this?

Because if he's doing the nutcracker shit, he's going to be, he's going to be smart. But like, I think I'm taking at least, at least 30, right? Because I'm with you. I think the first five to 10 are basically a sacrifice. But if you give me 20, 12, too much, 20 is fine, 20 solid, solid Draymonds to go ahead and fight this gorilla. I'm going to take that. Yeah, I think 20 people is a good number. I think 100 is like an outlandish amount.

And I think the people that are like, how do we deal damage at all? I'm like, bro, these are animals. These are not. 20 people on one arm is like, not even that. You're done. They'll tire them out. You run around and spin them around. They'll tire them out.

Their faces are not made a steel. If you punch them in the nose, it hurts. Yeah, that's the thing about gorillas. A lot of people don't understand. Like, yeah, they're so massive, so strong, fast-trusts and shit like that. We humans are built for fucking endurance, bro. You're so much smarter. We're so much smarter.

And our lungs, they work much better. They're functioning. These guys get tired. They'll get tired after the first. Put them in a 40-yard dance. It's easy. It's easy. It can't.

Like, bro, people are like, think people watch too much planet apes and shit and think gorillas are this like they're just made a steal they're a force they're aggressive like grizzly bears their forces of nature nobody can fuck with none of that is reality this is not caesar you're not fighting against caesar right now he doesn't have the smoke that made him a genius yeah this is just a monkey they want too much movies it'll be tough a lot of people are going to fucking die but a hundred people come on yeah yeah anyways yeah i learned jermon green is a dpo i level defender who's doing a fantastic job diagnosing this rocket's offense doing a good job against singoon he's playing well but when he

gets matched up against draymond he's not going for this post-up game that singun drives in we saw it in that drive when the rocket tried to win in game four when they tried to go isolation in the last play draymond shut that shit down as expected he's going to foul the shit of him and they're not going to call it with the game in the line and draymond knows that that's what makes it so good he's one the smartest defenders in the NBA still is and you're seeing every ounce of that value in the series where interior scoring is the name of the game draymond is doing a fantastic job adjusting to what they want to do on the interior and breaking up those passes.

I feel good about them going forward. I think they'll probably win the series. Okay. Not for the Rockets. What do you learn about them? Because I feel like a lot of it is another scenario of like they are who we thought they were to some extent. What have you learned that's like different than what you thought?

I will say something that I learned more so this player has earned my respect. I learned that Al-France and Goon is that guy. He is his ability to be what he is defensively. in terms of like the limitations he's not necessarily like exactly be what he is defensively but take that up to an entirely another notch to me makes me feel so much better of his value all around the core he had a good defense defensive season and he's

taking that to another level in this warrior series in this warrior series I've seen him like face card stuff a couple times last game and of course like that's that's an impossible task you put him up there a hundred times most of the time he's probably going to get burnt but seeing how he's able to move his feet and be smart about where he's like trying to force step to go angular wise is fantastic and me personally i've have a lot more stock in the offense and gung and i now give him a chain of being one of those guys in that league yeah okay i'm not going that far like i don't think he's like when you say one of those guys are you saying like he could be the best player on like a great team i don't say no i don't

mean that necessarily i'm not calling him like a number one guy or whatever but in terms of like he is a guy who you can rely on on a playoff series, and there's no variance in his game. Like, he is who he is. I disagree there. I disagree there. Because I think no, no variance in a playoff series is asking him to be like, Yokic. Yeah, for non-shooter that stuff.

Yeah, that's, that's tough. I will say that for me, right, we've talked all season about the, the trade candidates for the Rockets and it's like, should they go get different bookers? Should they go get KD? Right now the Janus's stuff is popping off. I think for them, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. wouldn't look at Devin Booker and I wouldn't look at Kevin. No, no, not even close. I'm not, I'm not looking at them. The only

trade target for this team should be honest because they are so scary and so athletic. The fact that they can they in just waves can swarm you and can overwhelm you and they can get out and they can run and as as a man continues to develop as Jabari and shangoon are there and as you get the ball out of who, listen, he had a great game yesterday, but out of Fred Van Blitz-Hans consistently towards the end of games, you are going to be great. And I think that when you have a strength

and something that we're seeing across the league is like, you know, people going back to double big lineups or whatever and something like that. But you see these strong, big athletic teams being able to wear down other teams in a playoff series, Houston should definitely double down on that strength. And so if you can get somebody, obviously, if you can get yon, just go get them.

but like that's the that's the thing for them is that that should be the the trade target i think how do you it's hard to imagine a world in what yanna sangoon and a man all make sense together so that's the hard part it's going it's one of those guys are gone one of those guys are gone yeah but like it's not going to be this like beautiful game thing it's going to be we are just bigger than you we're faster than you we are we are a little bit more we're going to be able to lock up Like, their defense right now is awesome. And I think doubling down on that strength and trying to pass the other stuff.

Sure, but you, the reason we all picked them to lose is because of the limitations of them, not because we don't feel like their strengths are good enough. So, like, I do want to see them, like, get better at the weaknesses. Like, they do need shooters. They do need off the dribble scores. They're consistent, like, Jalen Green. So, like, I would like Kevin Durant.

I thought you were going to say I wouldn't think about trading like a Sanguna or a man in that scenario. Fuck no. But I do still want them to get Kevin around at different books. just for like the lower tier assets I would only think about trade one of those top two guys for yannis that's the only person that would consider potentially yeah but I do still want them to get someone like a Kevin Durant if they can do it for a cheaper price because they'd win the series it would it would be it would be good I'm not going to act like it wouldn't be a good

idea and I obviously like see see the logic but I think with them like having having elite athletes everywhere and having guys who are just bigger than everybody else is such a strength. And so having one of the biggest, fastest, strongest guys is fine. And Janus, as much as my personal bias of what I would like a superstar to look like and all this stuff and bad work from the perimeter, all that stuff. Yonis can go into any series and get you 40. And he's added a mid-range jumper.

He's added, not added, but like, he low-key has had a lot of, like, playoff moments where he has finished the game and has made D-shot and had stuff like that. So, yeah, I think, I think, like, that aspect of, like, can, can Yonis have the ball at the end of games? Like, that's a little bit overrated or overstated. But that's the thing for me, because the thing, at least for the words, especially in this series, I'm with you, like, I realized how important, or actually, you know, you said the other guys. Jimmy Butler is so important for this team. I think Jimmy Butler drawing foul is so. key because in this game and what you've kind of seen is like when people start to run on golden

state the game can kind of get out of hand and it can get like out you know away from them jim butler and his foul drawing can slow the game down and so it's i think like that's key yeah i'm so happy that sangoon has broken out of the school of demonte sabonis like i i've been very vocal over years obviously on how if i'm building a championship team i'm never paying you I'm not paying a max salary to Montesabonis a bonus because it was limitations right like that's not how I want to build a team Singoon previously was in that same realm

as a not impactful rim protector not a spacer and not a good enough score and passer that you like make up for those deficiencies his defense is so much better than DeMontasabonis right now he's a legitimately good defender as a drop coverage big

he's not going to change your life as a room protector and like that but when you have elite defenders around him he plays his role completely fine not an issue whatsoever now you know he's not going to be like super switchable top-end skills but he won't sink your defense at all you can build a top 10 defense as you saw this year around him and his go-to scoring bag is so much more impactful than what sabonis does on offense as the like passing hub guy and like subonis is

scoring he's just running up on subonis bro subonis is chilling at home i'd just say to say that sing goon like has the top-end skills of his own shock creation that like breaks him out of that mold and gives him enough value that it's not just like the gimmicky passing hub stuff that sing is a bonus piece off of like he's just playing with his kid at home yeah i ain't playing a month bro what's going on i'm not in that anymore i still like you know like my source of being a sanguine hater so i say i'd rather have chet i'd rather have garland rather have other people ahead of whom i still feel that way yeah but i completely understand the sangoon thing like if you can have the right roster around him like he is not a dead weight in the way that some people on the

archetype are it's really hard to build around a big that isn't an elite defender he is cross the threshold in which he's not a liability there anymore that i don't think you need to have any fear of him being a piece around you for this for this team yet when it comes to singoon it's i'm happy i'm happiest the most because he breached into another like category NBA player in terms of like trustworthiness i can roll with you and feel okay you don't stick out like a sort thumb like you said anymore with that being said i'm so trading in for yannis unless he almost anybody for yonis of course he is not good enough for to the skate

those conversations you talk to rockets fans are like absolutely the fuck not don't ask again they are crazy about it and like I would understand that if singgoon was like the three point shooter at the yokic is then it would all come together but as of now give me yonis quite easily that's what it takes

give me fucking yonis something that we haven't talked about just yet because it's obvious to us and we talked about it on TD3 Tuesday 6 p.m. Eastern Time 5 p.m. Central tap in is the jailing green stuff every single problem that the Houston Rockets have he is the definition of that he is that he brings those problems to them he doesn't help them whatsoever what he's supposed to do he is a complete opposite of that bro i'm so over doing jalen green i told

you so like exactly the prediction before the series started as i said they think they would i said i think they would win the games and when she gives you elite production they would lose the games in which she doesn't that is exactly what has happened figuring out ways to win without him being like even playable for real is insane. They were able to do that because of Fred Van Vleet turned into Triung for like 40 minutes of the game. Exactly. Yeah.

Somebody has to give you outland shooting. Nine times that 10, it has to be Jalen Green because of how your team is built. If Fred Van Vleet wants to carry that tors and he wants to be the one to give you 35, then maybe it's possible. But it's going to be tough without a go-to score like that. So give me Devin Booker. I said to say, I still think they should get Devin Booker. Yeah.

Shout out to the vets doing their thing. He's, his shooting is going to be what it is. and down but from the most part he's had a good series Dylan Brooks been very he's been great as well I like him yeah and then obviously Stephen Adams is doing the normal Stephen Adams stuff as well like these guys are doing good I meant

Tom's had a great game for the first time this series as well he has a lot to learn though he has a lot of developments if you yeah everyone a lot of people has been quiet about some of the things that he's been doing but I'm having keeping those reserved because he's a second year player at the end of the day

yeah I think I've always been like a huge I've always said he's going to be an all-star since he was drafted. But some people are taking it so far, saying he's even like a top-10 player in the league. I don't think all that. Like, that's really hard to get to when you're not a shooter. So, like, there needs to be a balance of recalibration, I think. Because, like, he's going to be an all-star,

but he's going to be, like, unlike Andre Goddawa, a Dremont-Green type of all-star where he's there because he's so amazing at all these Swiss Army-knife things, but he'll be a better score than a Dremont-Green type. Worst defender. But, you know, like, but he's like a 25th best player in the league type of all-star, I think not top 10 player in the world like people got to calm down a little bit I think

yeah no shot if he doesn't have the shot then yeah you yeah and like maybe he does develop a shot but that's like from where he's at now I mean hopefully it's so hard to say because the shot is literally nonexistent I'm sure he'll become competent but like I'm not expecting he becomes like a good score shooter so we've seen development stories that's sort before

so it's not impossible but I'm not necessarily hitching my wagon to this is a top 10 player in the world this is like a top 20 player in the world probably that's totally fair yeah all right that's fair Next series, quick one, Thunder versus Grizzlies. What did you guys learn about

the OKC Thunder in round one? They're the title favorites. Like nothing, right? Like, they're just, they're amazing. Yeah. Kick ass! I learned that I'm more confident about them now because we're seeing

that these refs are letting all these playoff series be played like jail yard football. We're punching each other in the chin, we're fouling every player and we're swalling our whistle, letting them play through it. That doesn't continue to be the case.

Yes. She will be less efficient than he was in his historic regular season. but yes, they will win the title because they have nine elite defenders who are incredibly physical and if they're allowed to file you every play and be that physical,

you are not beating the OKC Thunder. If the conference finals and the finals are played like this, expect swift victories. Yeah, I agree. Okay, see, they've been, I turned the corner on them, I think, mid-season. I don't know if you guys remember,

but earlier in the year, my title favorite sort of Denver Nuggets. Oh, I remember. Switching that shit. No, I remember. remember I was there things have changed and I in the midseason I was like yeah these

yeah these O KC you guys are probably for real and seeing how they were able to yeah they're probably pretty good yeah yeah I'm thinking they'll win some games seeing how they like destroyed Memphis even without Shay like being the this is the worst

version of say it goes Alexander that we've seen this entire season is probably the worst I'll ever see bro this entire it's the worst three games stretch of his last like three seasons yeah he had the worst stretch ever game four he turned it around but those first three games it is the worst he scored in the last three years so if you're gonna sweep somebody with that this team is just next level yeah yeah exactly for the for the grizzlies oh shout john morantho for figuring him out that's that's what i learned i learned they figured some shit out

no i he has i learned that he has taken the the mantle of the most annoying star in the league oh they're going to say if man no i think i think like for the But the lack of self-awareness, which is weird because he had a moment of self-awareness before he said it because he was thinking about like, should I say it, should I not, you know, everything that I say it goes viral or whatever. And then to still say it is like, dude, y'all got blitz. Y'all lost in four games, right? Like, there is to say that you figured it out a couple years after you say, I'm fine in the

West, you haven't made a conference finals, you haven't played multiple games. Once again, one of the reasons why I was like, yeah, I don't think that the. Grizzlies are going to do it was because why? Because John Moran doesn't play basketball for two weeks in a row. And then look at what happened. He obviously crazy injury, but why are you always the one in crazy positions? You once again were not there to finish the series for your team. And now you have Scotty Pippin Jr. trying to hold it down. You have Desmond Bay and Jerry Jackson Jr. trying to hold it down when this whole thing is trying to be built around you. The coach got fired because you were unhappy and you're not here at the end of the series. I'm I'm not going to say I'm done.

but it is very annoying to where every time we turn around and John Moran is in front of a mic there is this smugness, this arrogance, where it's like you and your team have not done anything to not appreciate this, but to get to this point. Y'all were the two C collapsed. You were in the playing and you had to beat, you had to beat some sorry Mavericks team in order to get here. It's very annoying. The act is over.

And if you can play for three weeks, shout out. to you. If that is actually that's the bar. That's the bar. If you could play two and a half, 10 straight games, that is awesome. That is like 50 cents

and play the other video. If you can read two pages out of a Harry Potter book. If he can, it would shock the world. Yeah. So I guess the thing we learn about the grillsies are

they're at a point of flexion because they are not close to being a top tier contender. They're not incredibly far away, but it would be naive to say they can run it back and just be back on top of the West and not make any changes and variants would go their way and they'll be in the mix. Like, they got lapped by a lot of people at West. They were supposed to be who this OKC Thunder team is. Job was supposed to be who

Shea is elevating to one of the best players in the league with the necessary co-stars in Jaron Jackson and Jesman Bain and a bunch of good depth. We've complimented their depth for years. They do the best job with almost anybody in the NBA ever plenishing the depth year after year. And it's not enough. They top in talent. It's not enough. Yeah. They have to figure something out because you can undrafted player your way every single year to a new eighth man that's going to replenish the one you just lost and do that every fucking

year forever. But if you're big three that you paid three max contracts to you are just not good enough, like these three clearly aren't good enough. Yeah. It's to no avail. You're not going to make a splash in the West that gets better every year. At this rate, Janus is going to be in the West next year because every fucking star migrates their way to the West Coast every year.

You are not in a position where you can feel confident going forward in the core you have. But it's so, this inflection point that they're in, too, is so incredibly tough because when it comes to the other guys, the Jalen Wells of the world, the Scotty Pimpin Jr. is of the world and Shalya, you have no static or pressure towards them whatsoever. Hell, and me person, I would even say like, same thing for someone like Desmond being, like, my attention is not towards you. More so it's about the top end guys in John Morant, who we just talked about, and Jaron Jackson, Jr., who was unbelievably black, unbelievably bad, bro.

He's so bad. He got me stumbling on my time. I thought she said, unbelievably black. What he was able to do, what he was able to do, which is absolutely nothing is embarrassing against his Oklahoma City team. We saw a lot of people earlier in this, earlier this season, when Jha was, you know, out as usual for his week two period time or whatever. We saw

Jerry Jackson Jr. be the face, the guy of the team. And a lot of people were giving him his credit. He's probably going to be on all NBA third team at the end of the year whenever they decide to announce that. You cannot be that type

of, have that type of label on you and then proceed to go out to put up like 16 points on the most horrific efficiency you've seen in your life, bro. You you just can't afford that, especially if someone like John Morant is going to be in and out of your lineup and roster. So this inflection point is so interesting. And I feel like I've never seen something like this before because all the static is pointed towards their top two who've had a little of success, but nothing proven necessarily just yet.

You got two games in a second round. Like you guys, listen, Minnesota passed them up. OKC, pass them up. You go out east. Cleveland passed them up. Indiana passed them up. Houston. Houston won, Houston has won like 40 games in three years and then they passed them up and they got to 50 wins. Everybody, like we can't treat the Grizzlies like a, until proven otherwise.

They should not be treated as a B-tier team in the Western Conference until proven, you know, otherwise. This is so simple, what they're going to do. Desmond Bain and assets for Kevin Durant or John Morant and assets for Yonison and Kumpo. Which one are we doing? Which dice are we flipping? For me personally, I'm taking Janus. Oh, yeah, yeah. Be personally, I like to have Yonis, no shit.

But whichever way the cards go, if Yonis requests a trade, I think they're going to be in that mix. And I think you can see a drama rant situation, because I think that would make sense for the books to get themselves a young star and swap that. And Yonis and Jaron, you could do worse. That's the easiest way out of the situation. Deson Bain still there.

Like, that could make sense to me. And if you're not going to do that, I think Deson Bain has to be traded, not because of any fault of his own, but you need to get, some more top tier talent he makes a lot of money you can attach him with some picks to a team like the phoenix sons who want to continue to rebuild around devon booker plug and play doesn't bane i guess be competent give them some depth it's possible for kevin durant trade yeah do i like it for phoenix

fuck no i don't like anything for phoenix i'm thinking about it's like beale bill booker bane but do do i like jockevin durant jaron jaron jackson hell yeah i do it's cool as fuck i like that a lot the big zaggit down there i like it still gonna win 40 some games I don't know I think would be filthy what's gonna be filthy Kevin Garrett

you know it's hilarious they're not gonna have to start play for half the season KD KD's part KD's part you say oh my God

like it's an overreaction I know I know I would love that team I'll deal with the missing games this is it's so that's what they say

that's what they say now and that's what they say and that's why they're in the position because you say doesn't mean it's not Kevin Durant it's different they shouldn't even be in the goddamn

Western Conference bro these boys belong in the fucking east they belong in the east that's so disrespectful no no not I'm talking about like geography why they belong in the east literally and if they were in the Eastern Conference then we wouldn't have

we wouldn't be having any of these conversations I know what you mean it'd probably be in the same tour as the Indiana pace that's just the same as being like you belong in the G League barely different oh man one more one more team to get to before we take a break Celtics first magic

what did you learn about the Boston Celtics I guess I'll go first I learned that Chris Haas for Zingis, you better count your fucking days in Boston because if you do not perform better, you will be celery dump this summer. He is playing so poorly. This team has a financial inflection point coming up. The big basis of why we picked them over the calves

all year is because when they have KP healthy, they are next level. Damn to the perfect basketball team. He has not looked good in this series. That's the biggest thing I learned is that we need to see a second round in which Chris Sos Foresingis really makes us feel good about his place on this team because that's

the ceiling of the sider there. We're going to feel good about the sellers no matter what. As long as they have the Jay is healthy, as long as they have Derek Y, Alhorfer, the necessary spacing, elite wings, elite guards that we know and love to make them so unbeatable, we're going to feel good about them.

But if we want to feel great and we want to feel like they can stomp out the calves and get back to the finals and maybe beat the thunder, we need a good Chris Osprezinga sign to show life that he can be that deciding factor. He really hasn't been. I'm just not looking at these stats.

He put up 12 points cool, somewhere till last year, no issue. But on 35% shooting from the field and 18% from the three-point line. How tall was he? 7-4. Fuck off. 35% of 7-4, good Lord.

We need to see him be better. The idea of Christops has been a lot more effective this year and really even last year than he really has been. And listen, man, these teams this year are better. The Mavericks are not walking through those doors. The Cavs are a different level. The Thunder are a damn sure a different level. I'm not doing gloom on those Celtics.

They're probably going to be fine. But if we want to feel more than fine, if we want to feel like they're the favorites, we need to see a good, good second round series. Yeah, I agree. Chris Hops needs to realign himself and reestablish himself as the dude who makes this team feel like they're unbeatable. I'm not going to say like they,

this is probably, this is the most vulnerable they've been over the last two years, obviously. So it because of, you know, health. Jalen Brown and his ongoing knee issues, obviously looks much better. New injury happened when it comes to Jason Tatum is, wrist. Of course, like, we saw Christopps Rosengis earlier

in the series. It looks like there's no issue now with him, but his unicorn got fucking ripped off. So, like, the health overall is looming for this team, and this is the most vulnerable that they've been, and nothing would help more than Christop's losing. It's just like making them feel unbeatable. Yeah, and maybe they'll be okay. They can win without

Christops. They've done it before, right? Yeah. But the Cavs can beat them right now. That's on the table. The calves are nothing to play with. They can beat them. I, If you want to see a world In which you don't feel that way You need to see better from him And then for the magic

I think what we've learned is Everybody besides Palo Van Carroll and Franz Wagner Should be on a new team next year Yeah, window Carter Jr. is so fucking gone, bro Yeah, I'm being hyperbolic, not literally everybody Keep yelling, so keep whoever else But yeah The entire outlook of how we're choosing

To build around these guys Needs be completely re-evaluated This idea of being this gigantic Lengthy team that wins with defense and these two guys developed to lead your offense makes sense in theory, right? We've seen teams win that way. It's not outlandish.

It's not going to fucking work. We need to see this team with some offensive spacing. If we're going to give this star duo that's incredibly young, they're incredibly young, and fucking 23 years old still. So I think people that are like,

they can't fit together. We've got to get rid of one of them for sure. Too soon. If we want to give them a real chance, these two have played awesome in the series. You know, there's been some down-frowns games. But overall, they've played very good. I think you just feel very encouraged

about both these guys, especially Palo. He's been getting down, hill doing all the things we asked them to do early in the season. If they go into next year with the same style of team, it will be an immense disservice to these guys. We need to see them with real spacing. Move hell and earth, get a stretch five. For the love of God, get a dynamic guard that can shoot and create. Get me the Anthony Simons type we've been begging for. They need to just rip apart this roster down to the scenes besides these top two guys. It needs to be a

complete framework shift in how you want to build around them. I will say, I learned and I I had a suspicion that this needed to happen, but I fully learned that Franz Wagner needs to tap in with lethal shooters. Oh, absolutely. Because if he does not, then what Isaac's saying, you're gone. I'm only looking at Palo. The shot looks so crazy. It does.

Not only from the fact of it's not going in, but from the actual literal, it looks crazy, right? Like, it looks different than what it did a year ago, two years ago. and obviously because Paolo is not an amazing three-point shooter, because you've had this team built on a lot of defenders, we've talked about so much about the spacing and this and that. Your two top guys are going to have to be able to provide some of that. And to play off of guards like that, one of you guys is going to be, is going to have to shoot.

And if Franz isn't going to be that guy to even a competent level, he shoot a 19% from three in this series. Fuck. It's ridiculous. I had questions last year about how he looked in the Cavs series and then they went and they gave him the extension and it got worse.

He got worse this year. So Palo is the only one when back-to-back playoffs for this team. It looks like he can survive on a playoff floor and sucks. Right? Obviously, he's not here. But Franz, Franz is not looking like a guy

that you can actually rely on in a playoff setting because the shot looks absolutely horrendous. And he's got some good things, though, the series. He's at good games, but there's been down games. But the shooting is an issue no matter what. Yeah. And if this roster was at least slightly below average shooting-wise,

and if they didn't find themselves consistently, like, top, like the worst three-point shooting team over the last, like, 10 years, no hyperboleys, actually facts. Then, like, I would feel less pressure on Frant. But Frant is literally the answer. Because outside of Frantz, they got KCP shooting 26% from three-point line. Wendell Carter Jr., 27%. Corey Joseph, 31, Anthony Black, 15, Gary Harris, 16, Jonathan Isaac, 25.

Do you know what's crazy? Paloen-Carray played fine. I don't really have any. You guys know the bad habits he has. He's gotten better at best when he's worked through. You know how I feel about that. He shot 71% of the rim this year in this playoff run, in six games. I guess they're counting a playing game there.

71% of the room, 40% from 3. Yeah. He saw 44% from this. from the series right here. And guess what is effective full goal percentages? 46. You know how fucking horrible

you got to be from the mid-range? Does she 71% at the rim? 40% from 3 and have a 46% effective focal percentage? 33% on mid-range jumpers. And you know, last year he was so insane in the playoffs because he shot 56% from long mid. Good to see that he can produce

at a high level without that variance. Because that was Fugazi as fuck. Shooting 56% for mid-range is ridiculous. But he exerted his will, 71% at the room, up from 54% in last year's playoffs. That's what you've got to see.

This is what true bucket is about. It's not even true bucket. Because people are bucket getters, love mid-range jumpers. This is what real scoring impact is about. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. When I say, say bucket, obviously, you guys think about mirrors. I'm just saying, can you score when I need you to?

Can you figure out, can you figure out something? Can you solve problems? And having Palo in the setting to where for the past two years, we've seen them in the first round, we've seen them. And it's just like, hey, our team needs. this we need some scoring and palo has been able to to do it one way or another now when palo if and when he gets to the point where rim mid range and and three points starts clicking listen if you talk about that for any player now we're just talking about one of the 10 best

players in the world right if all of those start clicking but as as a player who has very very subpar offensive help and is still learning right he's this is they played five games he's play 10 playoff games in his career. This is what you want to see. And so going into next year, when you have Jalen Suggs and his facing back, we'll see what other moves that they make, the stage is now being set to where we can envision a Palo Man Carroll master class going into year three as a playoff score. And he showed us the rem aggression was a huge point of development in the second half of the

season when he got back from that injury and like really got his feet under him again. even in this playoff series his level of aggression is ridiculous to him get into the free to the line ridiculous if you give him

the necessary context like you're saying give him enough help next year should be the year that he's finally is that consistent in top 20 playing the league

that we've been saying like the shades are there he's just not put it all together even this playoff series wasn't efficient overall in large part

because of context but also his midrange habits are still bad he still is a good passer from a standstill point but not a good live dribble passer

he still has developments to go he's still so young right I think we'll be the year where we see it get put together and he is that consistent impact guy for the love of God

give him the help necessary for it to fucking matter and because of what you said like he just is a sheer force and he just feels undeniable because of all those things and that's why when it comes to how you evaluate the Orlando

magic and what you're willing to give up versus what needs to be better at certain things and whatnot like Franz Boggner there's no compensating when it comes to him in his game and his ability to shoot the ball at the end of the day it has to happen.

Yeah, I don't know what the path is to fix in this team, but they've got to figure it out because he is the most appealing ball of clay anybody's ever seen, and everybody's assumed it's going to be molded the right way. We're starting to see it be molded the right way, but if we want to get it to be that perfect statute, that we get the perfect version of him

that this raw potential can turn into, he's going to need help or he's going to stick with these bad habits forever and we're not going to see peak palo for a long time. Exactly. Yeah. So give him a chance, Orlando Magic, please, give him a chance. And with that being said, we have two playoffs series left to talk about. We had the Denver Nuggets versus Clippers, and we have the Nix versus Pistons.

We're recording this Thursday, May 1st at 4.37 p.m. We're going to, I'm going to play a little graphic because we're going to come back and talk about this in about six hours at midnight. One of those games were over to give you guys our live reaction. So in about five seconds, we'll hear us talk about the Nix. It'll be six hours for us. We'll see you guys shortly. It is now midnight. We are here six hours later.

the same just came off of watching Knicks versus Pistons and Denver Nuggets versus Clippers Game 6 of both series like we told you guys we would Live reaction Donovan is more a different outfit I thought that was a bathroom room Like what type of time are you all man

This is a cardigan sir It's high fashion Okay I don't know nothing about that Tell us why you change outfits Because it's Nixon 6 baby You know what it is You already know what it is We got them bums out of here

We got them Detroit Bums out of here. J.Biggins has crying ass. We got him up out of here. Malie Beasley, too worried about shaking his behind instead of catching the ball. We got him up out of here. We're on to the next round. I love it. Yeah, man.

Let's start with Knicks versus Pistons. Like Donovan said, the Knicks have finished the series in six. We were all pretty confident. I think, I don't remember you guys as final predictions. I said Knicks and five on the episode. I said Nixon six. Yeah, I said Nixon five. I was very dismissive of the Pistons and their ability to, I guess,

translate to the playoffs, for lack of better words. In a similar circumstances to the Rockets where their half-court offense was never spectacular, they were really built off of defense forcing turnovers and running in transition whereas the Knicks are one of the best teams in the league of protecting the ball, and obviously they have the closer. They have

Jalen Brunson, and that's what we saw in this game. So the title of this episode, the topic where we're talking about every team is, what have you learned? What did you learn about the Knicks in this series? What I learned about the Knicks? I mean, they're exactly who I thought they were. Yeah. Like from top to bottom pros and cons. Yeah, pros and cons. Everything that you can imagine and predict happened.

Really, I've already earned, like, the utmost respect for Julian Brunson already. I already said, like, I think earlier in the year, like, to me, he's, like, a bona fide, like, top 10 player that the NBA has to offer. But genuinely, I do feel like the NBA, what I did learn is we need to respect Daniel Brunson even more after this series. Because the carry job that he had to do offensively and how we just, like, throw away. his body all over the place and just falls for almost no reason. But hey, guess what? When he falls, the ball does go up in the air and nine times out of ten, at least it feels like it goes in. I like the word you chose.

The carry job that he has to deal. My biggest thing that I learned is that he doesn't have to do that, but they choose to let him do that every single time. The Tibbs and Jalen Brunson combo is undefeated of him getting all the touches in the world. My biggest thing that I learned from this is

they're not being the Celtics. No way to do. buddy so all that joy that you have in your mouth you have two weeks two more weeks and then you're just like me and him all right did your team win a first round playoff series this year can't say they did did your team even make the playoffs you hear some exactly shut the hell up shut up because for the last it's not about the next round it's about two night right congratulations they won 14 games last year who so what are you talking about it impressive you beat tobayas Harris and malise they were they were here this year

they took you six games to do that they were here this year I was scared I thought they were gonna blow this game when they went end of the fourth quarter came around there's a two minutes left was a tie game after three quarters of me thinking it was obviously a next win I was like yo I think it'll blow through one lead right now like I was expecting comedy to go down so shout out them to close up the series it's never easy

even though they were the better team and it played out as you kind of expect shout out they got it done I'm um what did you think about cat in the series I'm most curious about that what was your takeaway from the Carlton Towns experience through one playoff series um shout out to him for stepping up

in in a couple of big moments I mean tonight like he had the miss frito but then he also had the the hustle to go after it to create another possession kind of kind of get it back I just I think that one the the cat like when he was on he was on

but the lack of touches and the lack of creativity and we talked about it after game too yeah the lack of creativity to get cat involved is a real real problem and so like in terms of things that we learned you learned that there absolutely needs to be a change of philosophy yeah for for for lack of a better term because they they like have absolute stretches and as soon as the clock hit five minutes in the fourth quarter you knew exactly what was going to happen every single time down the floor brunton is going to bring the ball up the floor he's going to be pressured they're going to run the

screen he's going to get the ball across with like one second to go there was so many like eight second violations it was actually making me very anxious and to be fair if there's any players in the league that you're going to feel comfortable running that type of simple offense jennon brunson's on the short list of players that can execute that clearly they've two playoff runs in a row now of him being able to handle that load so it's it's you know tricky between falling into bad habits versus this guy enables bad habits so i understand the dilemma there a little bit. But yeah, specifically when we were talking about things we learned, we knew their defense was going to be hit or missed, but they are good enough defensively to get past a team like this

with this mediocre half-court offense. We know the pros and cons that come with Carlton Towns defensively, right? None of us are going to be surprised if he gets diced up in the next round or however it goes, right? I'm most concerned with, again, I'm taking a negative even though they won this series. But shout at them again. Which is absolutely like ridiculous. I mean, is what The question of the episode is, what do we learn in the series? What I learned is they're specifically bad at counters against switches. They do not have a deep bag of how to attack a switch defense other than Jalen Brunton attack whatever defender they decide to switch on you.

And that's a specific issue with the next series against the Celtics. Yeah. Because all in that, the only thing I can say I learned is that because they won for the reasons we said they'd win. So in terms of learning, I didn't learn a whole lot about the Knicks positively. Donovan, did you learn anything good about them? I mean, I learned that the McHale Bridges is still, like, valuable. And I think that, like, that's something that they can get lost. Like, McHill Bridges, for the entire season, has been somebody who can get kind of lost in the shuffle.

Especially when you have Brunton taking up a lot of the offensive real estate. You're trying to get cat involved. O.G., his offense has grown over the second half of the year. And then Josh Hart is at his best when he also has the ball in his hands, and he's kind of running transition. And so you look around and there's so many nights where you're like, Like, you know, we we gave up five first round picks from Mikhail Bridges and he scored nine points. And tonight, Mikhail had 25. He had a massive tip in at the end of the game, kind of saved, you know, the season.

And so seeing that was very, very optimistic because going into a series with the Celtics who have five players on the floor at all times who are offensive options, if you know that you're not going to lock the Celtics down, the only way that you're going to win is to go band for band with their offense, Mikhail's going to have to be on. And so having this type of performance for Mikhail, that was very encouraging. And it's something that I'm like,

okay, good. Like, I did learn that. And so I'm actually very happy about that from this game. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like a stunning lack of commentary on the Knicks. Like, I don't even know. We've talked so much about them. And I just feel like this is a series that they won the way they should have won

and we have the concerns. All year, all we've talked about with them is how they mash up against the Celtics. That is truly the end. be all for this team so oh my god yeah and yeah i guess we'll just keep praising jalen brusson because like we just keep learning it wasn't a question for us up here actually no yeah never mind never mind what we did learn is duh he's the best player in the series wasn't ever a question for us because we're all jlin brunson appreciators but people want to thrust kate into that conversation

as they do that was one of the most forced conversations out there this entire playoffs yeah for sure and i get it shout out kate going probably going to be all NBA this year very great player great season took great leaps for this team i guess we use this transition to talk about the pistons and where they fell short in the series and how that's you know indicative of where they are as a team but jane and brunton is clearly on another level the way his go-to shot making and his resiliency attacking a variety of coverages holding his dribble late into the clock and not passing it or having the loose handle to where he has to pick it up and give it up he can probe and do this like a rudimentary late game offense because he can just like take his time

and eventually get to a spot with a thousand dribbles. That's a big difference than what we see from Kate in the series. Exactly. And I was just about to say, the biggest thing that I learned from this series is Cade Cunningham needs to take some fucking notes from Jalen Brunson. In terms of the scoring bag, of course, that's insane to say, because Jalen Bruns is one of the two, three best point bar scores. I know.

It's insane to, like, ask Cade to be that level. I don't think it is right. It's not. It's not. Kate is a young player. This is the first time that he's actually had a solid core around him. And we were all like, happy that he finally, you know, made the leap because he was in a situation that allows him

allowed him to make the leap. But this is year three of the Jalen Brunton experiment in terms of him being lead dog on on this team. So he has reps of being the number one offensive option. He has reps of having the ball in his hands in late game situations. And for Cade, you saw earlier in the in the series, I think in game three. Yeah, in game three. No, my bad. Game four. He had a chance to win the game. He didn't do it. You saw it tonight. The game was tight. It was very close. You had Kate going downhill with the chance to finish and he misses the shot. And on the other and on the other side, Jalen Brunson, who has Assar Thompson, who is amazing defensively. He's an issue. Listen, Assar had several possessions where he locked Jalen Brunson up. But I think the

offensive resiliency that you talked about was clear. But the fact that Jailen Brunson can still go back to that and shake us our Thompson to where he's literally not even in the frame and get his shot off and have a wide omen shot to end the series. Yes. Like, Kate has to take this. He has so many notes and things to learn from. Like, during the last five minutes of this game, remember he went scoreless. That, that you gave us, I believe, during our predictions, I believe it was a stream or something like that. You said, oh, my God, like, yo, guys, you don't believe it, but Kate shoots like 34, 35 percent in his clutch times. That's efficiency. And, like, this game right here, the last five minutes is a clear-cut example of that he disappeared.

And in times in which his team needed a bucket, he just didn't have the necessary skills just yet to get to a spot. Yeah, so for the series, I think there's, it's a mixed bag. It's his first time in the playoffs. As a lead guy, it's a tough situation, right? You're going to have some learning curves. And he did. But he had a lot of good to go with the mixed bag there, right? Like, he had, like, three good games, two really bad games, I think, for his.

standard. Obviously, you know, good or bad, whatever. And he shot 25% from three. That's not a good place to start. It's going to be really difficult. The star jump he made this year, number one reason was the playmaking was night and day. He's one of the best playmakers in the league. But also, the off the dribble three point became a pretty crazy weapon for him that kind of made up for the lack of above average rim scoring. Like, I think we're at the point now we realize he's never going to be the type of athlete that can be a dominant rim score because he doesn't. doesn't have the first step or the, like, the verticality to kill you there. So you mentioned he needs to learn from Jalen Brunson?

Correct. Because that also describes Jalen fucking Brunson. He's also never going to kill you at the rim with athleticism. He does it with craft. We need to see that in between game developed for K. You saw, like, you just mentioned those clutch game moments where that becomes more of a, no, exasperated issue because that's where you have to score in those moments. I think it was a above average.

I'd give K to B for first playoff series, but all those weaknesses really shined. He knows exactly what he needs to work. on in the summer and it showed in the series. Yeah, exactly. And I feel confident that he will learn and actually like have that year, first year, second year, third year, um, playoff progression as time goes on. But what I am not worried about, but it's just like, it's not a given that the business organization will do the necessary next steps and give him like legitimate options. I love seeing what Tim Hardaway Jr. did this series. Shot 35% from the field. Malik Beasley

He shot like 35% from the Fielder 3 point line as well Those two were like they're They do it was do or die for them Those two combined attempted like I think 1823s a game That they know their role And when it comes to the pisses

And what this team is devoid of overall Obviously it's like firepower So I think that's like the next step And I feel like if you give someone If you give Cade Someone who has a lot of that you've been clamoring for guys like exactly me and I think like just last year or the thing was during the offseason last year they need that more than ever in order to help him make

his life so much easier yeah they just didn't get two-way wings right now all their wings are one way hardaway beasley one way us are one way that way is really great but he has to develop the outside shot obviously that's going to be imperative for him I guess devise harris is a two-way player but it's like fine on both ends right like they need to find their core around k that it's going to be impactful on both ends because right now I mean who is that consistent I guess Duren had a decent two-way series

he was good but like for his tag defensively has always been issued with him he's been better so Dirk we can count as a two-way player Truder was good for them in the series yeah he was good like core players around and that's the problem is like

when you talk about other creators Schroeder was the only other one that could actually semi get to his shot or create some type of offense and shout to him like Listen, when Shooter's on, like he's on, but that's not a guy that you're talking about creating a core, like you said, for the next three to four years. So, yeah, they have to get that, get that going.

I also think that, like, Kay's leadership in this series, him, like, he did play kind of like a vet. I thought that him, Tobias, and Tim Hardaway, they all felt really, really grown up in this series where there were a lot of other people that the moment kind of felt. felt like it was getting to them like j bickers after was out here crying every every two seconds like kade acted more like an adult than than he did and so i think for them moving forward like that's a that's a very very good sign for 23 year old in your first playoff series we're building the core around you i i feel very encouraged by that yeah yeah yeah yeah this is another one like

both teams it just this was the most probably the most besides the one two seeds where they obviously can blow out the teams they're facing this is probably the most chalk series of the middle round where the young team that lacks two-way talent around their star who's never been there before and has to learn is just outmatched by the team with one of the best closers in the NBA and just a lot more top in talent across the roster kind of went what you think so

wherever you assume the Pistons had to go from here they do wherever you assume the Knicks will soon fall short in the playoffs in round two they will probably no way about that I'm not even looking at it I'm not looking at it as the series or even game by game. This is quarter by quarter. This is possession by position.

Speaking of quarter by quarter, another thing that I know is with the... That's also crazy. That was an insane pivot as well, bro. Ridiculous shot. The balance, this whole final sequence is ridiculous. But the balance by Jaylen Brunson all the time to always know where he's out on the floor, be able to go off of two, adjust himself.

in in the air to get whatever shot up like that's that's that's something that i mean obviously like it's it's easy to say like every guard can can learn from that because it's just it just helps your your shot making but yeah he was he was insane down the stretch and that specifically what kate lacks that specifically the in-between game he needs to develop to make up for his deficiencies and like develop that craft as he gets older that finalized version of kade will if he becomes the top 10 player that he has potential to be it's because he's fucking six-six jalen brunson while being an elite passer and great interior defender for his point guard. And at bare minimum, if, like, that does not happen, him becoming like Jim Bruns and

the scoring or whatnot, like, bare minimum, I hope that they, okay, the Detroit Pistons front office, help deploy him with actual weapons in the playoffs instead of like, they're asking this man to basically go into war with the butter knife instead of daggers. It's like, bro, whenever I was just to do with Tim Hardway Jr. is my third best creator off the dribble road. That's ridiculous. It's hard. Save him, Jaden Ivy.

Save him. I forgot about him. Dude, I forgot he existed. Oh, my God. Bro, business fans were pissing me off because they were online. They're like, man, if I did, Stuart and Jada and Ivey were here, series would be different. No, it would have.

No, it would have. I don't even know what to think about Jaden Ivy. He could be an asset to use in the future. Yeah, it was the whole year. The conversation is so dead until, like, next year for you. Trade him. Yeah, we'll see what happens. Kevin Durant.

The sons will love Jada, Ivy. That would be beautiful. Anyway, it's another year. We got another good first round win. This is what it is. We're on the Boston. All right. And we're on to the Denver Nuggets

versus Los Angeles Clippers. Probably the best series of the first round. We all come up here and said this is going goddamn seven games. I think, do we all pick the Clippers? I had Clippers in six.

Oh, okay. I had Clippers in seven. And I was like, I'm going to pick the Clippers, but I don't feel good about that. Anytime I say a series is going seven, that means I don't fucking know. And I'll pick one that like,

I guess I got to pick somebody. But if I think seven, that means I think it can go either way that like I think generally a game seven is it's anybody's series I this truly

was the epitome of it's anybody's goddamn series and you know it's lived up exactly to that expectation in this game there was

a looming feeling in the air coming into it that damn are the clippers about to do some clipper shit and get beat in six games when we all finally

picked them to make a run we said this is the best clippers team in a long time are they gonna go out sad in game six after losing on a dunk buzzer beater and then losing that's so demoralizing

you smelled in the air you smelt collapse and they responded that came out they won the game Moe what have you learned for the clippers in the series the clippers are so volatile

they are so wildly the most volatile player that I learned about was Norma Powell I learned that he is a completely different player when he's in LA compared to when he's Denver

when he's in Denver he's averaging like 12 points shooting below 40% from the field. But when he's in LA he's putting up like 22 points, 23 points a night shooting over 50% from the field. That is the biggest thing that I learned and he genuinely

of course makes a difference in sway things for them alongside all the other things within this organization as well. Another thing that I learned was that fuck I really loved and enjoyed watching someone like Chris Dunn play over the first few games of the series and then seeing

the Denver Nuggets adjust and decide to just completely ignore him and give him the Ben Simmons treatment made me incredibly sad and now it's making their life so much harder defensively. The Los Angeles Clippers defensively and I learned that

you know the importance of two-way players is so fun. I mean you learned a lot of shit Gordon yeah she's going I know yeah I also this is we didn't learn this but it's worth pointing out this man Zub watches is so clearly the best Yokish defender in the league

In the fourth quarter of this game, there's I think two, maybe three distinct moments in which they're down single digits within five points. Yokish gets an isolation basket, tries to get to the rim, just stuffed, just straight up defended extremely well in a way that I can't remember anybody defending him one-on-one that well, stopping him from scoring in the post. Zubach is just athletically just like a cloned slower version of him, but he has the strength to match up with him. I really, I don't even think, like, Rudy Gaubert did quite as good of a job as Zubach does. He has what I call girth. He has questions. He has like a lot of just body-to-body contact that Nicole Diocch has been able to feel ever in his career. Yeah.

And which, which I mean, it's true because you think about all the people that normally you're like, oh, go stop Yokic. And it's like, it is Gobert. It is Anthony Davis. And while both of them are extremely strong, they are kind of thin compared to to zoo. Especially AD. Yeah. And so like to have somebody who just has more mass on them to go. and defend yoke's like that that's uh it's a it's a game changer i've been thoroughly enjoying

watching them just fucking duke it out on the boards these two white dudes the same size of exactly the same just fighting just hell in a cell for every rebound it's been one of the most exciting parts of the series which is hilarious to say the balkland bigs yep but yeah well again this this is this is this one isn't uh over yet so tbd but i um nuggets i guess what i've learned so far is that Mike Malone was the right choice because they are so energized under David Adelman. I was reading a report earlier that apparently this lit a spark under Yokic

and he's been like the best leader he's ever been in this time as a superstar there. Nuggets reporters are comparing it to what it seems like when Yokic is playing for Serbia where he like really commands the locker room and is like the guy and like completely energizes the whole team and like is the lifeline of them as a leader vocally?

I guess that's not always what he's been. You know, it's a quiet guy. apparently under Adelman he has like a new life and he's really taking the team by the fucking handles and like putting energy into them on both ends you kind of feel that like they we thought that the series would go seven because Yokit's dominance and how good their offense is they haven't been just like food defensively even Yokish has defended pretty well and yeah it while the outcome is the same seven games what we thought it hasn't looked exactly how I thought it was I think they they've held up on both ends better than expected no they they 100% have And I mean, obviously, like, Yolich has been in, he's had, he's had moments in the series where it hasn't been the best, but you also still look up and it's like, all right, by staff, like 25. They won last game and he's at the fourth leading score. That doesn't happen. You put up like 13 or something like that. He still had, yeah, he had 13, like 13, 10 and 12 or something like that.

Still had a triple double. But it was, it was the Jamal Murray Show and you know that in, especially in long series, you're going to need one of those games in basically every series. You're going to need the Jamal Murray game. But this series is another thing we learned. He still got it for one time every series. I also learn the Clippers are still the Clippers. Because we're going into Game 7 and they just won today. And I look back at these six games.

And I'm like, how have the Clippers not won this already? Like I feel like the Clippers have had a lot of opportunities to really, really lock this series down. And obviously, like, Game 5, you have Jamal Murray's great game paired with the James Harding game that, you know, kind of comes in every series. But you have that. You have game one that they kind of lost. You had game four with the, with the Gordon Dunk. And it's just like the margins are raised within the playoffs. It's ridiculous.

They've been the better team. You're right. They should have won game one. They choked. And then so they choke game one and then they lose on the closest buzzer beard NBA history in game three. Like that's the type of shit that changes playoff series. like yeah I agree they definitely they felt like they've been besides last game oh when I say last game I guess now second to last game five besides game five they felt like the best team wire to

wire this feels like another coaching masterclass that we're watching as well Dave Adamant is having a fantastic series with all the many adjustments that he's made defensively against his clippers team so I think that's a that's a major deciding factor alongside Norman Powell's like variance and then also like turnovers or whoever was able to make the least amount of mistakes in terms of executing what you need to execute offensively is probably going to decide the game and that's been doing it so far but another thing too is I don't know when it happened I think it was may that may happen like game three or so it was right after Kauai dropped like 39 Dave Adam was like yeah bro like anybody but Kauai like we need to let other people fucking

try to beat us and they just assume that As soon as Kauai touches the ball, we saw it a lot towards the end of this fourth quarter. Send another body, Jamal Murray, or whoever it is, run towards his man and make him pass it out and let someone else to beat us. And tonight, it happened. Yeah, tonight, Norm Palis did bet. I got you. And Nick Batum hit some big shots. Yeah, that was definitely, I feel like what I've learned.

Like, I feel encouraged by David Adelman that if he remains their coach going into next year, like, I like him. I don't, like, I, Doug Christie got a contract extension from the Sacramento Kings. And I'm like, for what? for what like you don't even want to go look out look at what's around interview some tough assistants and like i mean top assistants and see what other candidates you could possibly talk to you like why do this so preemptively i would be okay with him doing this preemptively for david adeleman like he feels like he's the goods he was talked about for a couple years now as being a top assistant that team tried to recruit so if he didn't get this opportunity now he

probably would have got hired this summer that wouldn't have been surprising so you i have more faith in him than i do in like the average interim coach yeah i feel like that is kind of a product of Yokic and the fact that... It helps. Yeah. But the fact that, like, one, on the surface, he's already the best player in the world. And so that's going to do a level of elevating. And then two, because you've seen a little bit more buy-in, like, that's great.

However, I do, like, I do think that people should be a little bit cautious of falling for, you know, whatever happens in a specific playoff series. Like, listen, they might very well lose in game seven. I think they will. Right? And it's a first-round exit. And you're going to have seven games that you go off of and be like, yeah, like for these seven games, you kind of got what you wanted, which was, let's see if we can light a fire under our guys and see what happens in the playoffs. That's playing out right now.

I think that for Denver, and I guess we can spin it forward to game seven, I do think that the clippers are going to win game seven. one because they've been the better team throughout this entire series and two you saw it you saw it once again at the end of this game where lay game execution from russell westbrook and and things that could have changed the series in it's been very trick-a-treat and today and today it was very much a trick he both he got them in he was he kept them in the game for a lot of the middle of the game so it's been russell westbro giveth russell westbroke take it the way for sure you sure but man he took it away at the end but it's only one mislaught though but they wouldn't have even been in the game it was it was too but also you can't take away in the third quarter like can you start giving in the fourth and take it away in the third it always feels like like the russell westberg mistake is going to happen under under a minute left in the fourth quarter and they had an opportunity right because the clippers were about to pull a clipper and they were about to choke this game away and you know rush goes down misses a layup in transition comes down

the other way, no one power three, five-point swing, and then the game is all of a sudden, like, a big two-to-possession game, and it goes from there. But I think, like, going back into Denver, yes, they have the altitude. Yes, you're going to be at home. We've seen the clippers be able to execute there. I feel very weird being like they're still going to do it, knowing that we may have another James Hardin's stinker in game seven on the road.

But I have to go with what I've seen. And so I just think that they've been more consistent. Also, the Denver is not a normal away game. That's the best home court advantage in the league. So when does that, when does that matter? When does that matter? Because we just talk about Norman Powell being incapable of playing while in Denver. But like, when they lose, stop it.

That's what it matters. That's exactly what it matters. When they lose, nobody talks about the altitude. And as soon as they win a game, it's like, oh, yeah, the altitude got to people. But, like, people are very pick and choosy about the altitude. Yeah, no one's in the altitude decides the game. No one's going to say every game has to fucking directly correlate. But game seven is a high pressure environment.

That's a great home crowd. It's a great home court advantage that, like, if home court is ever going to mean anything, it's one playing against Nicola Yokich and two playing in Denver against Nicolioch. And for that reason right there, me personally, I'm going to lean towards the Denver Nuggets won in this game seven. Yeah, I don't know. I picked the Nuggets. I said Nuggets. Celtics. I picked the clippers beforehand. I'll say you know we're podcasting at midnight. I'm

fucking tired. I picked the clippers beforehand. I'll stand on it. I agree that a better team, but I still don't feel confident in it. The same way I did it beforehand. This shit is such a flip of a coin. I'm flipped open like a motherfucker right now. These games come down to these games keep coming down to their final plays that like who fucking knows. It really comes out of who hits like their three layups in the final minutes that decide things. Either way, best series of the playoffs bar none. This is perfect. It's what you want for a four or five series. Who do they play next after this? OkayC. Okay. Who's been all for a week and a half now? I think okay C hands a swift ass whoop into the clippers in five and probably the nuggets

and six because they have yokeach and that's a big advantage against Chet and I heart. heart. Either way it goes, ass whooping coming, belt coming next round, but hey, somebody will be able to say they want a hard fought first round series. It'll be great. Somebody will have this same chip on the shoulder that the New York Knicks will have saying we won the first round. Sure, we got bulldoze in the second round but we won in the first we didn't go out that sad we only went out kind of sad congratulations

I mean yeah congratulations like you won it you won a series some people with you know arguably the goat and Luca Dodges could we put a sart Tomshunders and a stray jacket they couldn't get that done some people got pieced up by could you imagine the horrors that Anthony Edwards are due to Carly Town

oh my god body bag Then people let Julius Randor have a legacy series. The body bag. I need JJ ready to get on like the mindfulness app. He looks stressed. Like he has aged at least eight years. Like it's like, it's like watching the presidency. Like he has gray hairs and everything.

It's crazy. Almost gonna look like tips for you soon. It's wild. He's already old. He's already old. Tiz would looking at the unemployment line in the fucking newspaper. You're looking at the classifying. He knows.

It's time. Scriven there for weeks. That's your mic is calling out to JJ. Get back in the studio, buddy. Tim's going to start looking at places in Florida. Tallahassee here I come. I'm going to ask JJ ready to see him a simple question. He's going to try to back in me.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry I asked about rotation, JJ. Are you fucking dumb? My bad. That being said, as every playoff series he has today, live reaction to the two tonight, I think it's TikTok time. Cron Eaters

Come on Eaters And we're once again We're once again going to begin with the draft And we're once again going to begin With a team-related draft We've been going through all the teams lately Today we're going to land on the Dallas Mavericks We're going to draft only players

I've played for the Dallas Mavericks And I see you guys comment this all the time I'm finally going to give you your way You guys have been begging us. I don't know if you guys all want this or if it's a vocal minority, but a lot of you guys want us to do these drafts with only the specific version of players

that played for those teams, not any player that'll play for them. You get the prime version. You guys want us to do specific years of those teams. So we're going to do that. We're changing up the format of these team-related drafts. Okay. Hey, man, I hope you guys are ready to get deep in your bag

because this is not a deep draft pool. I am third pick and I am also screwed again. Yeah, well, you had a first pick last time, so you got an automatic win last time. So draft order is Donovan, me, Moe, only players play for the Dallas Mavericks. Donovan, where are we going with the first pick in the match draft? We are going with 2007, Dirk Novitsky. Okay.

MVP, Dirk Novitsky. Fair. Fair. There's only two players for you to pick. I understand that when you picked. Give me Luka Donchich. 2024. We'll get the, made the finals.

Most recent. Damn near as good as Dirk to me. Now here's the steep drop. off. Now you are screwed. Damn. Fuck. Shit. Damn, bro.

Okay. Come on. I know. Fuck. I'm so sick right now. This is literally the worst draft I have the third pick in, too. So I don't have to do this, but I want this gone on my team because he will help raise the ceiling.

You pick someone who's defensive flawed. You did also as well. I'm going to do the same thing. At my point guard, actually, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to save it. Give me Jason Kidd. Okay.

Okay. You want the old man, Jason Kidd? Yeah, old man, Jason Kidd. Your team ran by a wily vet? Old man Jason Kidd. He's not a liability whatsoever. Okay. You get back to back fix?

And at my two guard, give me Kyra. Fuck! I'm sorry about to do that. I was praying I compare him with his real life partner. Okay, listen, I got Luca Donchich. I need some help on the back end. Give me Tyson Chandler at my center. That's tough

I need the big bruiser I can't let you pair Dirk with him Okay That's tough All right Well In that case I will like to take

Steve Nash As my point guard Okay but you got like Young Steve Nash I wasn't like It's okay He could still do some stuff There are flashes

He still do some stuff And it's one of the better He was an MVP But he was solid It's one of the better options Okay At point guard And

Because I have Nash Offensive slanted Dirk Offensive slanted need somebody who can play defense I would like Sean Marion Dude I was about to do that We picked Sean Marion

Every draft He played for everybody Exactly I sort of got I had a head I don't want my list Is short I would like Sean Marion

At my three Who am I can go next What am I blanking You know I guess Hey Throwback Give me Rolando Blackman

At my small forward Old School bucket Yep His eyes got so big Yep Give me Rolanda Blackman Okay Why do you emphasize

The name like that Yeah You got a little bit too excited. Too excited. Watch it down there, buddy. Oh my gosh. Shut up. You got to cry out right now.

Beach over there with it. All right. My center give me Anthony Davis. I'm surprised that he fell this far. Yeah, you got like 20 games, Anthony Davis. Give me 20 games. Did you see how he played during those 20 games? Monsters.

I did forget about AD. You got that. Actually, sorry. Put him at my four. Put him on my four. Whatever. Yeah. shit

he's so irritated we let that one go by us I know okay and then so I got kid my team would be so nasty I know

I've risen again I feel new powers coming towards me right now fuck look at the disappointment in this face okay so at my five

I want At my five Give me Derek lively Him alongside AD Is a great fit We've seen it before Kyrie Jason Tatum I'm gonna throw up

You know who else you forgot about That compared with Tyson Chandler Give me Christos Schwarzingis and my power forward Nice We're going big I got spacing I have no center

I have no center I have no center What are we gonna do I got tingus pingus What are we going to do At my two This really really sucks I have no idea where I'm going to go

But I need just a little bit more defense You do So give me LeBron stopper extraordinaire Give me Deshawn Stevenson Oh okay Okay That's not what I'll never

Forgive what he did to LeBron And put how he put his name on that damn t-shirt First of all I'm not picking the other guy. I don't like the other guy. The other guy. Who's the other guy? We'll talk later.

I don't like him. I don't like him. Dude, I'm actually really blanking because I have no idea. At your center? Yeah. Daniel Gaffer, welcome home. I was really hoping that life. Yeah.

I was like, okay, we're fine here. Yeah, Daniel Gaffer, welcome to the team. Oh, my gosh. That's a crazy pick. I'm like, okay. I'm blanking right now. You can have them. at my two guard

fuck it give me Michael Finley let me another 2,000's bucket you mean Michael Finley on my two guard nice old school bucket I thought you were gonna pick you don't have to pay Jason Terry

yeah he can never play for my team yeah I didn't want him I don't mind I'm uninformed okay he does hate Justin Terry just out of like childhood hatred he's not a bad guy he does listen back when I was a

when I was a young lad right and still a LeBron fan Jason Terry was part of the team that knock LeBron down and was talking crazy mess. I have held on to that hate for my entire adult. I respect this motherfucker. I love this guy. But I don't love him nearly as much as I love Vince Carter, put him at my three.

You got old man Vince Carter. He was still actually useful. You're letting that one game winner. He was useful. I need that shot. You got old man Vince Carter and old man Jason kid. You're a geriatric ass team. Brian, I got AD and Kyrie holding it down.

You got 80 with a bad back. Get the fuck out of here. I know you're not talking about bad back while you got Chris House Brazingus holding the shit down for you. That's a lot better than your old man, too. Get the fuck out of here. My team turned you guys into mush. At the one, I got Jason Kit, I do not.

Yes, you do. You definitely have the worst team. And the one I have Jason Kid, two, Kyrie, three. Jason Keats was 38 years old. And he won a championship. Because of Dirk. What are you talking about? He was the fourth best player on that team.

Four, I got 80. You have two. 38 year olds in your starting lineup and they're some of the best 38 year olds that the leak has ever seen no they're not yes they are for their time we're going off specific year if this was that's not even 2011 Vince Carter what that's like 2013 no no no no no what's it is it he was not on the team in 2011 he wasn't on the championship team that was not a good pick you can't it was not a good pick my team still mushes your team he was not oh I have Luca Dodges Tyson Chandler Rolando Blackman what you're talking about no one

Yeah, I have Steve Nash in my point guard, Deshawn Stevenson, MI2, Sean Marion at my 3, 2007 MVP Dirkett at PowerFord, and Daniel Gafford. At 35, Vince Carter was putting up a smooth 10 points per game. Sick. Shooting 35% from the 36% of 3. Nice and average. Lovely. Exactly. It's all I need.

You got an average three who can't defend anymore. He never plays more than 25 minutes a game. Sorry, excuse me, my bad, bro. He shot 40. He was a six man of the year. Canada the very next following year. Not the year. You got him, though.

Sixth man on the ballot. Yeah, exactly. He was sixth in voting. That was his best. He was sixth and 14th on the ballot. He thought that was the fucking, that was the smoking gun. He thought he locked the up. My team definitely washes you guys.

You got the worst player on his list. What are you talking about washes? Your team is not good. What are you talking about? You have a 30, you have a 38 year old, a 35 year old. Somebody who tore the ACL today. Somebody who tore the ACL this year. That's the, I'm not talking about ACL, Kyrie.

And another. And another. player who got hurt in his first half of playing for the team you actually have the worst play you have daniel gaffert starting for you right now you know that he is dirk and nash and he has the worst player here you Vince carter oh hell not we're not finit disrespect 35 year old vince carter let's not do this is it's Vince carter or daniel gafford so like tomato tomato I guess you guys are similar he has dirk and steve nash mr rinaldo black man that's an all-star I know what you see

You're showing your youth man No no no no no I'm not saying I just the way he said it was crazy I got Logan Donstitch Michael Finley Rolando Blackman Christophersersingis and Tyson

Jeline Oh man Yeah you lost No buddy I won If you'd have been PJ Washington That would have been with you That would have been smooth And I need more veteran presence on my team bro

No you don't You have a 30 year old point guard You don't need more veteran person I already got one young guy. I'm already straight on that. 80% of your roster is 30 years and older. You have enough experience. Well experienced.

You have enough vet presence. Running me on 2K in this and see what happens to you. We're smoking you. You're not smoking shit. Your team is not, your team is ass on 2K too. Anthony Davis is not amazing on 2K? Ass on 2K. Yeah.

You don't know how to use them on 2K. That's what it is. Wait till I get you with Luca Donchish with some 5-out spacing, pick and roll, Tyson channel that Chris Os Pris and the corner. You're getting smoked. Shever me timbers. I'm so terrified.

Yeah, he lost. Yeah, right. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do a tier list. And this is not going to be a tier list, have anything to do with ability, anything to do with merit, anything to do with accolades. This is going to be a tier list purely off of humor. Okay. I have the funniest players in the NBA history. And I want you guys to let me put them into a tier list based on how funny they are.

Okay. Okay. So we've got to gauge, you know, some people are funny on the court, some people are funny in the media. some people were funny in many different ways many different assets to their humor S through F

first of all let's start with a good bench line benchmark Shaquille O'Neal See this is very weird because peak shack was very funny But the last

His last 5 to 10 Not great Maybe we should just keep this to peak though He's running back to hits Every time now He's really really Running these bits into the ground And not even his bits

he's trying to throw lobs to other people to keep the big going. Terrible passes. We should do a peak for peak though at his peak, Shaq is one of the funniest players all the time. Okay, we'll go ask for Shaq. Shaq has a case

for the humor goat. Now, whether that humor is moral is to be determined by each and to each their own. I'm not saying it's humor everybody should be looking to replicate. But he was funny. It's humor that can only fly

when you're 7,200 pounds. And also the best player in the world. When you can't do none about it? Yeah, exactly. When no one can check you, he's hilarious. Okay. Lance Stevenson.

Lance is this different type of funny, a generational type of funny, and also. Generational? How many Lance Stevenson pop up in the league these days? I'm just saying, he just don't see it. He has the it factor. High peak short time frame. But that time frame was a generational run for those three and a half years in which he was the funniest man of the planet. I think he belongs in A or B.

Blowing in LeBron's ear is like the 2019 ring for Kauai. Exactly. Like you will never see. shooting over Paul George. He did blow him another man's ear. Yeah, we never see that type of defensive strategy ever before. A, T, I don't care. I'll go A tier.

I'll go A.T. I said A or B. I'm Kua A. Yeah, this is an A tier, funny guy. This is shift to a different type of funny. Blake Griffin. He's actually a comedian. That's what I'm saying. He does stand up. He does this.

Yeah, but he does stand up. He's not like a stand up. He's not Dave Chappelle. Yeah, of course. But he'd be out here. He's like family-friendly funny. Like, he's funny on screen. like he can do in a lot of variety of mediums.

And you know what? I think he... That's needed. That's needed. Somebody needs to entertain the family. Blake Griffin does it. Every audience must he, must he spoken to. It does.

It does. Blake Griffin, honestly, A tier. What? I think A's entirely too high. A or B? Lance Stevenson's It Factor is really special. He can't, I don't think you can touch any. Lance Stevenson's bag is limited, but he's the best at his bag.

He's like Kyle Corver. He is the best. You could put Blake Griffin in a movie. He'd be funny. No, Blake is versatile. That's what I'm saying. Are we going? towards a specialist of goofball funny

and Lance Stevenson who's the funniest goofball I've ever seen and Blake who could do a little bit of everything and thrive in a lot of different areas. The scalability. He's so scalable. He's most likely to be a meme at the end of the day. Blake or Lance is going to be Lance. Blake can contribute to any winning funny team.

Lance Stevenson can take you to a championship. He's scalable. He's portable. You can put him anywhere. Blake Griffin deserves to be an A. He also has some. He has some memes, right? And we're buying it.

early he's about to be on TV full time he might he's about to skyrocket so we're really buying in low he's gonna take us to the moon if we really put our chips in my basket let's get some things around if you want to put him in A but sounds like I'm outboated we'll go away for now I'm fine with that Blake Griffin's hilarious but keep my all these guys are funny so like

you gotta show some judgment pretty soon don't get too comfortable Blake Jimmy Butler quite the humorous guy King of physical comedy he's the most physical comedy guy in the NBA got the got the got the got the got looks the coming in with the weave one of the most creative funniest guys in the NBA he loves a good

bit and inspirational might I say I like that however is Jimmy Butler funny or is he just real you know I think like that might that might be the difference he might just be himself and while that may be a funny guy I don't know if you could put him at S or A okay I do I do love the commitment to the bid because that separates a lot of people not a lot of people want to cross the line to keep the bit going and to really dedicate. But is it really a bit or is it just really him? I don't know, but he is a method actor. And so for that, you do want to give him props.

But like you said, we need discernment in this tier list. Yeah. We need to start putting in some people with B.C. I'm thinking B for Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Bully gives you a lot. He's not out here scoring 60 point games. He's not out here winning MVP's. He's consistent.

He's reliable. He will be a contributor. The highs aren't quite there, though. I'm cool with C. C. Okay. Or B. again I'm trying to show

I think B is fair for Jimmy Butler I think there's a lot of people above him that will be in between some of the guys I've seen so far I don't think C is out of the question Okay he we can be potentially movable But C's a okay rest of us We'll start with C we'll see how it shakes out And we'll revisit we're gonna reshakes so much shit

Okay here's one Draymond Green A or Fung Green is way funnier than Jimmy Butler S tier He's funnier for the worst reasons imaginable You gotta keep in mind like some people are gonna see this and be like F tier fuck him But I'm like that's why he's funny

He elicits that reaction He is hilarious He is the worst I'll say that He's also the worst But he's hilarious In being so bad He's so funny

How do we parse Laughing with you And laughing at you I don't think anybody's laughing at him We're laughing In spite of how much we hanged When he starts shanking the air You don't think we're laughing at him

When he sets so There's literally a highlight reel Of him sticking his fingers And not one MVP Two MVP But three different MVP level players eyes, bro. His fingers inside of MVP?

Yokic, LeBron, and James Hardin. He did that in the highest stakes of the game. If you could look me in the eyes and say he's sticking fingers inside of people, he's S-tier. That's crazy. That's crazy. But we can go A-tier. S-tier. Again.

Fuck that S-tier. I just want to say, for the record, we are laughing at him, not with him. And so I don't know how to park that because some of these other guys, we're laughing with them. So maybe there has to be a certain universal acceptance to hit S-tier. Maybe he's A-tier then. man they're just he just fed us too much content that we've laughed that so he's just so transcendent at playing his role that he can go to estuary so that is that what it is no one's ever been the butt quite like he's been the butt it's it's ultimately just about the body of work

that you've put out yes and he his body we're ready to discography he's got a few classics in there had the legal screams you even tap into that there's a whole like the library of content that he's given us the simple amount of dick kicks he has are hilarious like that It's a hilarious thing to have that many. Putting Rudy Gober in a chokehold watch. Next week, if they end up playing the middle or when they play probably the Minnesota symbols, cinema. Okay, I'll say this. Because we're doing that, I do think we have to drop Blake Griffin down to be.

I agree with you. Why? I think the body of work that Draymond has shown and even the body of work that Lance has, Blake, you see the potential and you know that he can do it. But he only has two albums where these other guys have like four. four or five. I think we're underestimating

Blake's impact of the game though. I know, but that's... Blake the podcaster has left his mark. Yes, but that's

podcast. We're talking about what you did in the court too. No, we're talking about everything. We're giving me Shaq credit for the TV career. Everything matter. These are funny guys.

These aren't players. They're multifacitated. I want you to give respect to the duality of men. Shack is different though because just yet I learned something new about Shaq every other day.

Like just the last of we talked about him. I can teach you some shit about Blake Griffin. I learned that Shaq walked around the lock room backwards, bro. Like, I learned something new

about it every day. You walked around backwards. Yes. Something new about Shagrebate. I'm not comparing to Shack. I'm not saying HPS here. But I'm just saying to Lance, to Lance,

Blake might have to be B. Yeah, he's, Blake just, the body of work just is not bad. What happened to scalability? What happened to respecting the versatility of Blake? I didn't need to see it

and look. Bees not bad. You guys are so stupid. Charles Barkley. S2. Easy. Funniest guy in NBA history? potentially he's on he's on the mount rushmore who competes i feel like it's easily he is way funnier

than jack oh there's it there's a there's somebody on this list okay we'll see where's he was i don't know charles was funny on the court funny in quotes funnier on tv funny in commercials triple crown he had he does it all yes so he's yes dude he's funny in real if he tried to kick me out of a t and t party like two years ago oh we have a funny charles marking story i guess you can't tell it uh how do how do we tell this story uh uh uh Don't tell it Next I try to

A way to phrase it Can we tell the story It's like why not Next Next player But it's so good You know exactly why Next player

I mean I'm not gonna use any names Yeah Just know We had Matt Charles Barkley And Mo had a hilarious interaction with him That involved other people Anthony Edwards

He's getting up there But also another question Is he funny Or is he just real I think he's realness Is the funniest shit in the world he is the yes

thousand percent real and he's funny as fuck for it he doesn't even try the effortlessness of his comedy peak it's just him

bare minimum he's reached a tier category bare minimum I'll say that yeah he's only been in the league

for a couple years so we're still building the portfolio but you see the talent is there you see how high the highest can get

eight tier is good right now shot that bitch from Yucatan only a real comedian would say that only the funniest guy in the world

would say that I guarantee you he didn't even know Yucatan was the real place before saying that He just said some shit Exactly and it works And it landed effortlessly I feel I feel great about him being a He's true

He's a true A tier player right here Yeah Jeff Teague The historian The rookie of the year To the podcasting game Has thrust himself into the comedy Limelight

Listen It's tough I don't know if it could be overstated But I think I think Jeff Teague might might be rookie of the year and the MVP in the same in the same year. I think the run that Jeff Teague has been on in the last year, one of the funniest runs that we've seen every story.

He has a story for every situation, every one of them, regardless if he is in a good light or a bad light, it's been told. Yeah. And the puns line hits every single time. And he's real. His realness is funny, just like Anthony Edwards. This is an eight-year guy. Yeah.

Again, generational shit right here from Jeff Teague. I agree. His career is off to an amazing start. Yeah. Again, we need a couple more albums, but it's getting there. Janice. How do the dad jokes move you? Put him in F.

D tier. Put him in F. No, I'm putting him in D tier. I don't think, I think Janice thinks he's funny, but everybody else, I don't think everybody else sees him as that. However, is that Elon Musk of NBA humor? However, there have been some Janus crashouts that we've seen that have been hilarious. Oh, him fighting over the ladder and shit last year.

Him and Oscar Sheeweb fighting over the ball. That's hilarious. So he's funny in like you're being stupid way, not like your jokes are funny way. Yeah. Did you see the way he held Bennett and Mathern's neck the other day? Yeah. You are not my, you're not my fault. It's like he's holding my neck like.

You know, how he's towering over Tyrese Halliborne's dad. Looks like he's about a decimated me. He looks like a goddamn transforming that picture, too. So he's a goofball funny, no self-awareness, but his jokes don't land. Yeah. D tier? Damn, this is the most insulting place when I can imagine on this list. Josh Hart.

another podcasting specialist showcasing his humor I think he could be solid B got some famous Gifts some famous tweets some famous tweets some milk related tweets he is a milkman

he's actually not a milkman but he is yeah shout out duality I think he belongs to B same tier as Blake Griffin

when it comes to I don't know I think I'm thinking C he's building his portfolio right now now he is kind of kind of versatile because he has funny memes on the court. He has funny stuff off

the court as well. So you do have that balance. Here's the thing that we're looking at a guy who is part of a dynamic duo and we're looking at him without his twin. Image and James James Brunson that's a special combination. Funny duo's list, A tier. But it's clear as day though. He is the face of that duo. Everyone has a yin yankno. Everyone has their dynamics. Everyone needs the other

person. This is Draymond and Steph Curry to get the best out of each other. As a solo entity, I think C's fun. That's fair. Okay. I feel good about C. Every goofball needs a straight man to play off of. Ron our test. Ron's not funny.

He's just scary. And it's not even like goofy scary too. It's like, oh, he might kill him, man on the court. Yeah, like he'll make you laugh,

but it's a very tentative like, uh-huh. Yeah. You're laughing so you're not next on the hill. Yeah, exactly. I'm going there. You're laughing at a self-reservation.

I'm going there for Ron Artis. He belongs an F. He belongs an F. Actually, no, no, no, no, we'll go D. We'll go D. Bro, he named himself the panda's friend And you're looking at face and say he's not funny That's just goofy

It's not funny at all And so now we're above laughing at goof shit That we're too cool to laugh at goofiness In terms of this list right here Yeah He was on a journey of self-discovery And that's very near and due to his heart So I'm gonna go deep

Because also I'm saving that for somebody else On this and this stuff Okay Kevin Garnett The meanest man in NBA history off of intensity alone A tier Another guy who He got off the court

Picked up a mic And you just spewed The funniest things you've ever heard For years on end It's The intensity in which He lives his life Is so comical

Because it's like How can you be This hyped up all the time And I think I hit him in lateral movement That's the 2011 Dirk ring That's one of the funny things I've ever heard in my life

That Loki S tier Between that And him mispronouncing equivalent I forget about that you got it you got it

you got to run he's hilarious all types of funny Richard Jefferson listen Richard Jefferson Pioneer a lot of

a lot of the funny guys in the league they don't know how to translate to the new generation of funny Richard Jeffs has made that crossover

insane multi-generational humor Okay. Multi-generational, multi-platform. He's funny in the studio. He's funny online. There's a lot of stuff that you can point to and say his game is like that. I think because of the generations and because of his body of work, he's put out a lot of albums.

Yeah. In a short amount of time. I'm going S-tier for your question. Oh, S-tier. I don't know about S-tier. I think it was a little bit too much. I was thinking B. Yeah, I think B is, I was going to say B as well.

You know those videos on TikTok where, like, they'll play the. clip and then it's just like the big boom where it's like right after it you can have so many of those with richard jefferson moments oh i think beat here is fair i think he does at the ceiling of the guys above him but the consistency the multi-generational the longevity yeah beat here feels good to me exactly you can't show me another 50 or 45 year old or how old he is on ticot doing this thing consistently god damn he's not 45 whatever that man might might be 42 maybe he's not that old official official guess right now how old do you think Richard Jefferson is 44 actually because I forgot he played some years in college

he wasn't a one of them 45 45 44 he is 44 yeah I know everything Vernon Maxwell it can't be S or A though it can't because his his type of fun he's very limited it's very niche yeah he he is only a home player he can't convert his skill set to any other area but listen man he's a specialist honest he's a three point specialist who he is but listen man if you hate you Like I hate Utah Funny's guy in the world For the Utah haters

He is the best He just his game is It just relies on tweets That's it People are funny on Twitter What's your point? No, it's not even It's not even that

It's just it's so Utah based Yeah It's one dimensional Once we get into the playoffs And I'm able to Gameplan for you And I can take away your strength

And limit them down Once I nuke Utah You have no more Put it on more Jets full of all these guys, he's probably mute on, he's probably on mute the most. Oh, I think, no, no, no, no.

I disagree with that. However, I will say, you put him in the Eastern Conference. How does he fair, right? He's a Western Conference kind of player, especially with the Utah stuff. But his stories and, because he does talk about stuff other than Utah. Yeah.

And the hit rate is pretty high. Was everything you can see? I'm going B. Okay. He's quite funny. Yeah. LeBron James. This is what I was saying.

If there's anybody who's going to make an argument a fight for the funniest NBA player of all time, it's LeBron James. Him versus Charles Barkley, I think, is one, two in terms of the funniest NBA players of all time. Totally different styles. It's clashes styles. It's jokes versus whatever we call LeBron, his lack of self-awareness. That's hilarious. Whatever the differences are on skill sets, they are both equally impactful. one of the greatest of all time on and off the court put him in that's no surprise here bro he put on

wendo carter junior's glasses his goggles in the court why would i do that this is an s to you human hilarious he said first of all first of all happy international women's day have we thought about putting out the album and afterwards give me some more and saying he'll go too mova I want to thank you for going to ride with me here go too mo for you yeah that's my goat man

that's my goat man he invented the deluxe album he is a comedic genius and even at 41 he's still putting out hits the video from the other day flopping looking up 10 out of 10

he'll go too more for you stories on stories put him in ass I want to thank you for going just ride with me he'd go too for you Patrick Beverly

F2 F2 F2 damn well hold on no could you try it too hard and that's your problem no that moment though where he was up against during his Lakers days when he was up against the camera

the Boston Celtics and put up a fucking camera and put it towards the ref two hilarious you're not even talking about the funniest moment when he won a playing game and jumped up on the scoring table brother that's another one he had he actually might have a catalog he has a catalog he has some hits he's like the artist

that put out a lot of bullshit at the beginning of their career a lot of bullshit in the back end of their career but they caught a window which they put out a couple classics when they have some pretty girls love trap music a couple hits in there they're like whoa i didn't i didn't expect this coming out for where you started first of all you disrespect it too james with i don't appreciate that i don't appreciate that so i don't expect that hits but it is true so yeah we have to go see okay see's cool Gilbert Arrinas. Because what the hell was so helping me got?

That was so bad. Oh my gosh. This man made it's all called quarantine thing. It was so. Oh my gosh. Quarantine thing is ridiculous. That's prime. So I guess.

Gilbert Arinas, last name on this list. He's not stiff in S or 18. It's not, I don't think he's 18. This is a hard placement. Yeah. His range is crazy. It's quite funny. I don't have a good feel.

But what type? But sometimes, but sometimes. But sometimes. lot of the time suit yeah sometimes he gets a mic and he's like saying a lot of jokes rattling him off and occasionally he'll just be like also i hate europeans yeah i think we kind of have have to go see tier because the some of the swings that he takes are just two bigs uh two bigger swings and you end up looking silly you end up taking the swing and spinning around it's like ah

yeah i can't i can't have that in the bottom of the knife and you out here looking goofy and he's and he thinks she's cooking too you're right i me person that might be f tier F T or Zui, you got to use it. Yeah, like, you swing for the fences. He makes contact, but instead of, like, clearing the fence, he, like, lands over in xenophobia, and you're like, ah, fuck. Yeah, that's, you cross the line for me. Fuck.

Yeah, this is a C2 works for me. I think he's F, but. I don't know. Now, F is. And here's our tier list. Our funniest guys of all time, top five. Let's move one down. Let's say it has to be Mount Rushmore.

I think Jermon Green easily goes down then, right? Yes. What? Actually, actually, no. No. KG actually might have to go. Okay, no, we're not going to anybody down. I think Mount Rushmore. The top five.

Yeah, they're sorry. Man, Mount Rushmore is Shack, Charles Barkley, Draymond Green, Kevin Garnet and LeBron. So it is between Draymond and KG four or five. I'm not demoting Kevin Garnett. Are you crazy? It's tough. Are you crazy?

It's tough. That's a real conversation. I'm just saying we're going to keep all five, but top three is definitely LeBron Shack, Chuck. Yes. Four or five is definitively them two. Okay. Yeah, I don't, I think I will put KG in five

Not me The clip of Jemann falling on the ground Running up sprinting full court Just to tackle KPG For no reason I forgot about the classic bro That's elite He belongs in that's too

You try to demote him What are we talking about right now What are we talking about? He's so stupid He's sprinting He's ridiculous man He had no thoughts in his mind Just to run

Pro's battery died Oh my God, that's ridiculous Yeah Alright next thing we're gonna do Let's pivot back over To talking about skills sets A lot of trades are gonna happen this summer It's gonna be a crazy year

A lot of teams are gonna have to make some moves I'm gonna name an NBA player I want you tell me if their team should keep them Or trade them Who is on the chopping block Keep her trade let's do it Keep her trade That's the only

Sam Pressy mode let's do it Yep Cutthroat first up Austin Reeves Trade Damn That was fast I love you

I love you so much Austin Reeves But his value is at an all-time high. Of course, the playoffs are the playoffs. But there's so many starving teams out there who will see him, see what he's under contract for. And he's a great addition. Could be the second option or third option to my team and immediately raise our ceiling. I don't think he's a solid.

You make good points. However, I disagree with all of them. Austin Reeves, as LeBron is getting older, you have to move into this new era built around Luca. Obviously, the maps took off when they were able to get Kyrie. You don't know who that's going to be. yet, you need somebody like Austin Reeves who can give you $20 on a night in a night out

basis, you have to keep him. I think you can trade him with the right deal presents itself. He's not untouchable but I'm not looking to, so I'll say keep. If I can like swap him for Jared Allen I'll do it. But if it's like him for some depth pieces and role players, I'm just going to keep him. If it's for a star, he's so gone out of here. Sure, sure, but I'm not looking

to keep. I'm not looking to trade him, so I'll keep him. I'm not going to overreact to the playoffs series. Yeah. Some people will. Some people will all summer. Next up. Janis. Should the bucks, Obviously, it just comes down to will Yannis request the trade or not, TBD. If you're the bucks, should you want him to? Should you want to rip the bandit off and go into a new era?

Yonis, you don't want to trade? Come make me do it. I bet you won't make me do it. You won't make me sign those papers. You will make me pick up those phone calls. You are playing for the Milwaukee Bucks over here. Enjoy your stay. So you're going to say, fuck you have your trade request.

You're staying? Brother, my picks belong to the New Orleans Pelicans for the next few years. You're staying here. You're not going nowhere. trade request made request you're staying put that's true that's true like i'll do whatever to make you happy like no no no not even not even that like you're going to take this 65 million dollars and you're going to like it and you're going to play basketball in milwaukee exactly enjoy the cheese curds like that's what it's about oh you want to go to the west coast over my dead body

you stay in sorry buddy yeah i mean obviously if you request of trade it'll probably happen in practicality but they're in such a tough spot you are you basically got to beg and plead and pray he doesn't want to request a trade if it does happen you were going to be in a terrible situation you're going to have to figure out a rebuild on the fly with no picks good fucking luck it ain't happening yonis sorry

he's for sure going to request a trade if I were him I would 100% beg them to trade me too demottis subonis should the kings restart haven't they already restarted what are they doing restarting to what restarting to what exactly But rebuild, tank, try to find your next superstar, trades a bonus while his values high.

I'll say this. If they trade de Monis a bonus a bonus, fans should revolt and- Are you serious? Yes. Do you think Kings fans will be upset by them not wanting to be mid and restarting, being smart? We've been mid for 25 years. It's time to fucking swing with the fences tank. No, no.

Either kill me or move the team. But I can't do another- You don't have to die. I can't do another. You don't have to die. I can't do another day. You don't want a tamper, Camer, Boozer? I can't do another day.

They got some stars in the next draft. Either you leave or I leave. But we both can't be here and you try to do another rebuild. Yo, Sabona's hold some weight when it comes to these fans, yo. Y'all, I think you picked Marvin Bagley when you had a chance to take Luca. I've seen enough of your foolishness. And there's no amount of light in the beam that can make me happy enough to get this team. So you're going to be happy with like 38, 39 wins.

and seeing DeMardo's and exactly being on your team continuously? Listen, I told you either leave or kill me. I guess he's dead. I think, what the fuck? You're talking like this is Damien Lillard

on the Blazers. I think this team would be in a perfect situation to re-fucking start. Get some good assets for Tobodda's a bonus if anybody wants them to send him to the Atlanta Hawks

or whoever else, wherever he fits, get some picks. You need to rebuild. You have dug yourself a grave with the Deeran Fox trade. You have a lot of good players that don't work together, tear the shit down to the studs.

Be smart, be proactive. I think it would be genius for them to get ahead of it and trades the bonus before he has. Look at these numbers. 19, 14 rebound, 6 assists, 41% from 3. What dummy's not going to fall for that? Fantastic partner for Trey Young in the pick and roll. All right, let's relax.

It'd be great. 41% from 3. He's a stretch big now. Wrong dummy, buddy. John Morant. Donovan. As the preemptive John Morant hater, what do you think they should do with him?

You're gone. you're gone you think they should just without telling him Luca dodged him dead of night trade him to Los Angeles not the Clippers

I don't know I mean you're that way You're about it I'm like come on man You can't seem to look at his eyes I'm like I don't want I don't want him a Luca Dotscher

type of type Yeah Yeah no You're gone He's gonna wake up to a call At midnight Your sir are on the Atlanta magic You're gone

You guys know my philosophies that eventually you get to a point where you say I can't live like this. And John Morant has provided so much inconsistency within my on-the-court play style and between my off-the-court overall vibes of the organization. I can't do this anymore. John went for Franz Wagner. Who says no? For Franz Wagner?

The Grizzlies do. Tripping. Yeah, I can't do that. I don't know. That's why that might be a good out. No, it's a good out. I do think that they say no, though. Okay.

Yeah, I'm training, Josh. Getting ahead of me. But you put me in that office. Hey, yeah. I'm probably keeping John and trying to... You better be on that T-Cup with Mickey. Like, you go on. I'd probably keep Jop for these one more year.

I want to try and do a Kevin Durant trade or something. Try to trade Des and Bain and all my assets to get another guy there and give this core chance. But it wouldn't be crazy to try to go a different route than the John Morant-Lid team. But I want to give him one more year and see if we can get a talent injection to pray he's healthy. Yeah. If there is any hope, it is the fact that as soon as Taylor Jenkins was fired, you did start to see a little bit more of the John Morant that you wanted to see but the

problem is a lot of but he didn't remember it's 30 exactly yeah you just don't know if it's going to be there so listen man they figured out the thunder they would have won they would have beat them if you didn't get hurt you heard the man that's one of the top five most ridiculous things we've heard hey fuck you they figured it up they figured it out you heard the man it's that is that's top five

that's top five it's top five what's crazy are we figured them out or I'm good at west we figured them out we figured them out I can't You already lost? Yeah, like, what do you? And you didn't play. He just got blown by 40, like, in the first game. What do you mean you figure them out?

I feel the way he, so the way he was like, we figured him out because we were going to win that one game. Congrats. That's how I feel when people were like, the Spurs would have beat the 17 Warriors because they were going to win game one. Yeah, they were going to win game one. Do it four more times. That's what I feel about John around. Like, yeah, you would have got game three. Yeah.

Do it again. Trade in him. Zion Williamson. But you are gone. You are so out of you. Please leave. No hesitation. Please leave.

No hesitation to trade one of the most talented players in the league. What if he gets healthy? What if he has a masterclass and fixes his body and finds a new motivation and becomes a top-time player in the world? Keep asking hypothetical questions. See, this is a personal vendetta that he has against Zion Williamson, man. Me, person, I'm keeping him. What do I have to lose?

Like, the West is a bloodbath right now. Go ahead, get healthy. Look at him right now. He looks wits. do you see those traps on him right now? I'm keeping him, sorry. Keeping him. He's keeping him because he thinks he's sexy.

I'm keeping him because if I can get a player at this level that has this kind of peak, you're not getting adequate value for him. People don't value him like that. I would rather just roll the dice again, hope that he stays healthy, and oh, it's a big hope. You're the Pelicans.

You're not going to walk into another superstar talent. You don't get him that easy. I'm not giving up on him until I absolutely have to. Yeah, Kalumac can get out of here. Oh, my God. He's gone. I'll never give up the dream. Jamal Murray

Now I ask this Because obviously they can trade Michael Porter Jr. You try and get better Is there a world in which The right deal comes along You would think about trading Jamal Murray See, you think about trading Jamal Murray

And then all of a sudden in the game five He goes and drops 40 and you're like All right well I guess he's going to be here He's such a yo-yo player Regular season who he'd be just bad enough They're like maybe you're just trade him In the playoffs He's just Michael Jordan-esque enough

They're like oh now I got to keep him Perpetual motion He's going to be here forever you know he leads the Denver Nuggets franchise in 40 point games ever that doesn't keep him that is not surprised me it makes zero sense that for the playoffs yeah yeah for the playoffs that is not surprised me yeah it makes zero sense so I'm just keeping him bro I hate I hate to do it but I got to keep him yeah I feel like him and yokech are just like bound together by blood for all of eternity yeah exactly you got to bury them and cast us next to each other true real friends

devon booker only if he asked for it but if he did if he doesn't if he doesn't I'm keeping the situation's there it's perfect Houston Rockets pick up that phone please exactly me listen man I respect your stars be loyal your new owner don't disrespect the fans if I can get my picks back and rebuild for real by sending him to the Rockets sorry Devin I'm going against your wishes I'm sending you to the Rockets now that that thinking right there that's too logical for Matt in fact God forbid he made the right decision I'm trading him instantly at the Rockets want him anybody else you might as well keep him I agree yeah if the Rockets on him

specifically so I can get my pits back. See you, Devin. I appreciate everything you did from me. Yeah. But outside of the perfect situation, you're probably better off letting him just be the loyal star that stays or forever and let him be a team legend that comes to be the GM in 20 years or whatever.

Nah, no. Katie, you're gone. Damn. Katie's super. I didn't even put Katie. He's super gone. Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah, we're assuming that happens. You tell Bradley Beal, if you lead now, I'll give you a 0.5% of the team when you retire. No, this is illegal You know how much money that is? No, it's crazy. To yourself, like, what did the Celtic sell for?

Like, $6 billion? Yeah. So, one percent of that is $600 million or $60 million? I don't know. Let me see. That's $7.0s. I'm fucking with the math. How much is 1% of $6 billion?

$6 billion times what, 1%? 0.01 times 0.01. 60 million? I'm giving you an extra $30 million if you can leave. In perpetuity, so that stocks of it in 20 years It's going to be worth 60 million Disgusting Go, leave

Jalen Green They ain't trained him yet I'll train him yesterday if I could I'm not even training him, I'm cutting them Get off the team, calm down So, okay, so I put him here Cutting him, I'm demoting him Oh God, I need a talent boy

So obviously if you can train him for a star in a package You do that Get reach up for your shoes, man So obviously, if you're chairman for a star, you would do that. Would you trade Jalen Green for like depth pieces just to get off the contract? I would do that again. I'm really like, I'm out of the Jalen Green experience. This was the year.

And obviously it's a lot of pressure to put on somebody to say either have one good series or show up. But this is what everything has been building towards. You had one solid game to where we can look at you and be like you are Mr. Bucket. That's what we need you to be. We need you to be Mr. Bucket. And you don't like to be Mr. Bucket all the time. So go somewhere else We're also

Keep in mind y'all We're recording this on Thursday May 1st The first round is not over yet They're down 3-2 If they came back and they won in 7 And he went crazy Pointed him and laugh No, this is what he does

This is what he does That would be insane That'd be hilarious No, it would be crazy He just got back 40 people Facts Just fuck you Donovan This is for you

He does it in spite of you Dedicated to you All right And that's what it takes Fucking And in that case, all of the city of Houston. Thank you. Thank you.

I did it for the hometown. La Mello Ball. He's gone. He's gone. He's so gone. Wait, why? Out of everybody on this list, he is the most gone. He wants to trade the whole.

He is the most gone. What did he do to be God? Goddardin who wants to trade his grandma at this point. He wants to trade everybody. He is the most gone. Oh my goodness. For what? His ankles be.

broken everything broken with that team their brains don't work up there glass I can't I can't I can't everybody's brain don't work up there I can't I understand he's so far away from being consistent for you but like they're so far away from being anything serious why trade him at this point yeah you lose nothing you're gonna be ass with or without him just keep him there it looks sexy you need butts in those seats

and right there that doesn't you're thinking like a businessman right now okay great Gatsby so I'll say shut up I'm just thinking about Lexington O's, man. I'm trying to keep this franchise alive. What about the revenue share?

What about the shareholder value? You fuck off. You don't fucking keep. Trade him. Trade him. Get him out of here. You piss me off. Fuck that.

Keep him. Get him out of my sight. Mr. Put butts in seats. Chris Osporz, I mean, if you want to, you know,

move like a broke boy, then sure, trade him. But like, you got, like, the Celtics are going to, in a two-year span,

going to win the title, probably be in the conference finals again. Keep them. They're going to be entering second apron hell pretty soon. They're going to have to shed some salary. New owners probably aren't going to want to put up with that.

If you had to trade somebody, it's like him or Drew Holiday. I'd rather trade Chris Sauts. Do you know what? They get back a lot for Chris Sos. So many Humes are feeding for players like Chris Sops. Bro, with how desperate the Atlanta Magic Guard are going to stretch five? They would give a... If you trade Chris Sops Brazingis, he's off your team.

Al Horford is old. Cool. Who is your big? Nevis, Keda. You'll find me. Remember the fucking name. Now, I believe in him. but come

all yeah exactly come on yeah if anybody were to go it would be Drew Holiday

I don't know this is gonna be a tough one nah I think it's a tough market it might be it might be

it might be it simply for the sake if he has the most value on it which he Pozzingas

for Jonathan Isaac get a guy who can load manage that can be really impactful for us

and then they get their stretch five no no no no no he stays

okay Okay, well, I guess your job is secured as long as Donovan's the GM of this team, you're a good, K-B. Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to name an NBA team, and I want you guys to tell me who the most athletic player

who has ever played for them in their franchise's history. Who's the greatest athlete? So, a little different from who's your best player. Sometimes there might be some overlap, but purely athleticism, and obviously athleticism

can be mean different things. Some guys jump fast, some guys run... I said jump fast. Some guys jump by, some guys run fast, some guys are agile. Whatever athleticism

means to you to this specific player who is number one the los angeles lakers always got to start with them are we talking about just like like the version that played for that team yes i immediately think of course uh keep in mind they get they had wilt they had shack they had cobi ryan when he was young flying they also had shannon brown they did have 2019 lebron he we hadn't really lost a step like that yet i'll brons out of those convales for me to be to be seven one 300 pounds and still moved the way that Shaq did i think just that combination of size and power that's like that's peak athleticism for the lakers yeah i'm leaning towards oh and he was agile too when exactly when he first got there he was moving that's fresh off off of magic he had him

put on like crazy crazy weight i'm i'm going to i guess it is shack yeah they have so many arguments there you could go lebron you could go Kobe you could go wilt i'm not mad at going shack We've literally never seen that combination of power in it And then footwork and agility Exactly Shack's the biggest one Yeah Shax is like the most unique athletes

So you gotta give it to him Chicago Bulls No The easy answer is Michael Jordan Young Derek Rose was an athlete They are as Gilmore They have some people But is it easily Michael Jordan

I think Derek Rose does give him MJ run for his money But I'm going to lean towards MJ at the end of the day A lot of the things that he was doing I'm not going to say he was a trailblazer but it broke a lot of mind

He certainly was a trailblazer You can say that He was clearly a trailblazer Yeah And like Derek Rose The leaping ability is ridiculous The speed Ridiculous truly gifted athlete

Which is what we're talking about Michael Jordan's better Faster, stronger jumps higher At all those things Yeah exactly We got to go Mike We got to Mike

Derek Rose will win for a lot of franchises Not against young Michael Jordan 1988 1988 Michael Jordan is one of the most ridiculous athletes you've ever seen Exactly. He could beat him in a... I think young Derek Rose can beat Michael Jordan

in a race, but outside of that, I'm going Jordan in probably everything. Everything else he kills him. And the race would be close. It wouldn't be that. It wouldn't be a landslide.

Jordan was fast. Jordan was not slow. Okay. It's a basketball race. Yeah, whatever that means. With the ball in their hands? With the ball in their hands, D. Rose wins.

Oh, yeah, with the one. Yeah, for sure. Okay, fair enough. Good thing Michael Jordan is the best offball slasher of his generation, though, that is also fast off ball. good thing he's a legendary offball Boston Celtics

This is tough one Because their greatest players of all time Aren't the most athletic players Is it? Is it the anomaly? Jason Tatum, no They definitely have some role players That are like crazy athletes probably

Yeah, Gerald Gerald Green No He doesn't even probably jumps the highest It's not among their stars Like greatest players of all time It's probably Jason Tatum But I don't know

Is Jason Tatum more athletic than Jaylon Brown? I think Jaylon Brown's more athletic But then I think about that dunk contest I'm trying to The Matt did Celtics probably have some deep cut athletes Who are we not thinking of? Let's give it to say to him

He has to ask him He don't have no Mbushabye No but I don't even know if he's more athletic Than Jalen Brown He's not I know he's not Okay So we have Jalen Brown versus

I mean KG wasn't like Moving like that like that But also it was still like good KG in 08 He was not moving like that Does Len By his count no come on he was a Celtic

he never played a game no he would win damn also what are we doing it's Bill Russell like is that obvious Bill Russell

at his size to be able to jump as high and move like as laterally as he did yeah I feel like we should go Bill Russell here yeah for his time it's hard to parse that

because like for today's day he wouldn't be a crazy athlete yeah but like if you didn't have him playing in freaking converse if you give him some Hyper dunks, I Oh,

you know what is? No, it might be two. Who? Prime Robert Williams. Time Lord was like 6-7 with like a 7-6 wing span and had a 43-inch vertical swatting everything. Shout out, Time Lord. I will never disrespect Bill.

It's Time Lord. The Brooklyn Nets. Best athletes. They have some athletic players. They had Vince Carter. They had Dr. Jay. Those are the two. Yeah.

See, this is tough. This is actually tough. But honestly, it's Vince Carter. It has to be. One of the best in-game leapers, one of the best dunk contest leapers. Don't say obvious now. Don't disrespect Dr. Jay like that. No.

I would never disrespect Dr. Day. You just did. But they're just certain things. I would never, Dr. Day and Joyer now. It's my God. Yeah, exactly. I love Dr. J. What?

No, listen, Vince Carter is like the peak jumper. Nobody else in this team's history has, like, that high of a peak of any specific skill. Yeah. As an athlete. Yeah, we're going to Vince Carter. If Vince Carter was like 15% better, maybe even 10% better as a basketball, like, everybody looks at Vince Carter is like, you could have been so much better because of how he might be one of like the 10 best athletes. five best to ever play in the NBA. That's not ridiculous.

Next up, the Phoenix Suns. Now, Charles Berkney's a gifted athlete, but people aren't going to consider him that, I guess. But at his size. Kevin Johnson. At his side. Amari? I like Amari a lot.

That's named that. Kevin Johnson was a bouncy fast point guard. I think he's in the conversation. I don't hate Amari. He's a bouncy power forward, but I feel like he's not quite as agile. There has to be somebody else, but I don't.

Tessa J.L. Green was on his team. Maybe Marquis Chris was here, too. Oh, shit. Dragon Bender. All right, that's... I think we have to go, Chuck. Chuck? I do.

I think so. It's more athletic than Amari? Man, look at those two motherfuckersers side by side. You're going to tell me Charles Barkley's more athletic than Amari's thought about her. Overall, athleticism? He had the ball on his hands with going coast to coast. Like...

It's definitely a unique athleticism in the same way that were like, low-key, yogish is an elite athlete. but I think I think we could go Amari John I think you said that Who is we No no that is a There's a conversation Yeah I think we can go Amari

The nerds do be saying that Amari's fast can jump strong The strength is a big thing I think Amar Stottomeyer he was on the MVP ballot off Athleticism I would do that He wasn't out for work

We'll go Amari Wasn't there off jumpers The Dallas Mavericks Now this is fun because the two best players Aren't crazy athletes They're not I mean listen Tyson Chandler was jumping for them lobs

Listen man Dennis Smith Jr. He was the top 10 off athleticism Oh he was He was He had the highest vertical At the combine at one point Doesn't he have some like weird shit

Going on with the body Where he has like an extra ACL Or something like that I have no fucking clue But he has something going on With his body He has some extra ligaments I swear to God

Which like scientifically He is just a different level of athlete Or leap or at least Bare minimum Especially when he was young He was a rookie that man could fly yeah now it didn't like translate but he was an athlete yeah it didn't yeah it didn't at all but in terms of that ability of just leaping from the ground of how high it was

and the force he would do it with too he is up there you know people sleep on who derrick jones junior yeah that is true elite athlete that is true that is true in some of the rain y'all remember the one blair i do de wang blair is out here who been no ACLs that is true that's crazy yeah that's why No, you're right. You're right. Who do we go with, though? No, we'll go with... It has to be, I think, Dennis Smith, Jr.

Okay. Okay. Fair enough. I like him at the page. Charlotte Dennis. Bet. Indiana Pacers. Young Paul George.

Loki Opie topping. Helms. Not really. I can't say Helm, no, it's Oby, but... It's Young Paul George. Young Paul George is definitely in the conversation. Actually, I don't know who else in the conversation. Maybe it is as Young Paul George.

Young Paul George. I feel like we're looking too much as star players in these. I feel like we're looking too much as star players in these. And I feel like there's probably some role players we're forgetting about that were ridiculous athletes. Garrow walls again. He played for all these damn teams. What the fuck?

I understand. But also like, it's kind of also easier to lean towards stars because they have more of an opportunity to showcase their athleticists. And a lot of times they're Star Wars because they're so athletic. Yeah. No, listen, young Paul George, when he had that vertical pre-legsnapping in half, it probably has to be here. Yeah.

I forget his legs slap in half, bro. It's so fucking crazy. He was doing reverse 360s in-game. God. Okay. Paul George is. The New Orleans Pelicans. Anthony Davis is an amazing all-time great athlete.

It's got his own ones and I think. Yeah, it's not close. It's not close. It's not close. I think Zion might win for like 25 out of 30 teams. Shout out to Gerald, Gerald Henderson. For Winston, you like you're going to say, Gerald. Yeah.

fantastic Why do you say gerald? Same reason why he says one instead of one Same reason Same exaction You know what Exactly

Airplane You got it Gerald is so I've never heard anybody else I never said gerald But no Zion Like

The question is never Zion's athleticism Is everything else around that If everything else was up to par With Zion Williamson We'd be talking about him And like

Go athlete conversations Oh in terms of like his pure athleticism I don't know how many people in NBA history have been that fast and that strong

and that much jumping ability it's like him and LeBron sounds like we want to lean towards Zon and I am with that there's no leaning it's just clear cut Zion yeah

we're toppled over towards Zion the Memphis Grizzlies see they're also another team that I feel like for a lot of their stars it's been under

like under the but also they have job moran yeah it's just john moran it's exactly as clear as we said zion probably he did not he actually did not listen man it's clear as fuck it's john morant this team is

does not have a long history as an expansion team nobody comes close to what young john morant was doing as a jumper young john marant he's like 24 25 but man when he was 22 he was flying

he was but he don't jump like that there's no one who compares still it don't matter he just dunked on wimby what do you mean he don't jump like that number he does he didn't do that the Orlando magic they didn't count the footage exists this is young track as well

yeah this is young track once again to be that tall to move that way to be that strong that fast all of it it's shot the man was averaging like 29 points in year two this man was breaking backboards off of that and leticism this is a minus all the way

his post moves he was a great post player later his career those sway nine in year two athleticism he was just bigger and faster and stronger than everybody just running down the floor filling the lane I'm catching it

I'm catching these lobs I'm gonna get it I just see move like that that just doesn't make any sense I don't know I see him and then someone like Rudy Gobert I'm just like

brother physics don't fucking make sense what a nasty comparison in terms of like you're that big damn bro and you can't move your hips like him crazy yeah now shout out Penny Hardway shout out Dwight Howard they have a they have a good argument

for most teams most seems don't have shack I agree that young Dwight is crazy The Golden State Warriors This would probably be Will Chamberlain Has to be Like it's fucking Walt Chamberlain

Like it's We didn't give Will The Lakers We got to give him the Warriors Who else is on here? Shout to GP2 He is He is

Young Andre Young Andre Agade Oh Baron Davis Belonged these conversations Oh sure Baron Davis can be on there Crazy Athletic

It's just wilt It's not even close It's not this Seismic golf between whoever's number two They just got shooters out there The Atlanta Hawks This is Dominic Williams It's against seismic as fuck too

And it's not Whoa No John Collins respect Shout out to John Collins But again When I think about that dunk contest I want to unalive myself Give me Dominique Wilson

So embarrassing So much disdain for a dunk contest You'd rather die than think about it Yeah Wow Brashamed to the city of Atlanta Tough

He did Yeah His Dominique Like hands down It's not It's not really close The Philadelphia 76ers Also

Will Not close Yeah Now does Joel and B deserve a nod With like He has like The weight of Shaq

With like the agility Of a guard Like is that In the conversation You don't You don't fucking see that ever No you don't

But it still will Like he can He can be in the top three For the franchise But I still think it's worth Yeah And I feel like Joel Embed has like an underrated athleticism, like the like dancing bear. Like he's like offensive lineman athleticism.

He definitely does toe tap hell it. Like he has light on the feet. But again, the only reason why Wilk isn't the clear pick for every other team is because like we didn't pick him for the Lakers because Shaq was there. But for basically every other team, Wilts is probably one of the best athletes to ever. Yeah, well, it's like a top three athlete of all time. Yeah. Damn, Will. The New York Knicks.

This is a fun one. team whose best players aren't crazy athletes it's everywhere jara smith belongs in these conversations no he does it yeah he does maybe davir nuggets was in the lead athlete he wasn't like that when he got to the nix he's had some crazy dunks he did he did have the greatest athlete of all time are you in the nix history are you saying he's had some moments you're insane if you think jrr smith is in the conversation also if we're talking if we're just talking athlete like rookie young lamon chumper young laman chumper was very very athletic okay also Patrick ewing could move, like young Patrick Ewing was a very, very dominant force.

Obviously, he's not like shack or anything like that, but he's still like that. So I'm Arsotomayor also player for this team. Yes, but his old Amarston Mara. Before then. We're just going to peak. I'm going, I'm going Pat. What makes Pat more athletic than Amari? Who's obviously the better Leaper, probably faster?

I think Pat has a little bit more power. And Amari's pretty goddamn powerful. I don't know. I think I would take Pat. Okay. Give me a Mari, but I understand. Yeah. The Washington Wizards.

Who they got? Who they got? Wes Unsell Jr. 6-9 power forward slash center for the 1980s. Go. John Wall, one of the most modern athletic point guards. Now, you want to talk about special.

Yeah. How much time we got? Got about 44 minutes left in the show? I might take 30 of them. To explain to you, 2016, 27. team John Wall. Special?

Special. Different. You had to be there. Damn. I wasn't there. I'm kidding. I was there. Anybody else there besides

Washington, besides John Wall? Dude, their lack of talent. Yeah, they don't have a lot of crazy athletes. Kelly Ubrey, maybe, but I'm not even going there as well.

Yeah. Kelly Ubray. All right. Exactly. Those are the conversations. Gober Rines is really fast, but not a jumper, not crazy athletes.

I think it's John Wall. I'm leaning towards Darwin. Yeah. One of the fastest point guards of all the time, pure speed. He could jump wasn't like Derek Rose, but the speed plus enough burst, plus he had the long arms, the body, the frame.

John Wall's a good pick. He was putting it together, man. And then he slipped and fell in the shower. What a hilarious way to go on. That's one of the craziest tweets I've received in my life. I know. What a ridiculous way to have your career fall apart.

This man, I was trying to move off. Next thing we're going to do. do. I'm going to name you an NBA player where we got to pick their most similar NBA comparison from every decade. We go from the 20s through the 80s. So the last five decades, not every single one. Okay. So, you know, we've done a lot of player comps from like past to new and stuff. Now we've got to go through every single one and like list five. We'll start with the 70s or 80s and go forward. LeBron James. We start with him. That's Magic Johnson.

Maddie Johnson in the 80s for sure. Yeah. We can go back to 70s for him. Julius Urban is the 70s. That's true. When LeBron came into the league as a prospect, we were like, oh shit, new people were not we i was in the round they were like oh this is just modern day julius serving yeah and then they saw his elite passer and they said oh never mind modern day magic johnson yeah but i think the fact that you have somebody at that size and being able to move the way that that they do and kind of break the the position a little bit yeah that's where you get that magic johnson from essentially another tall point guard yeah so you're you're talking about prototypes leading up to lebron yeah i think 1990s is probably grant hill i was thinking the same thing yeah another

Big Ball Handler? Do it all type of forward, yeah. Okay, we're locked in. Now, 2000s. I have no idea who to go with us. Not a lot of, not a lot of LeBron's in the 2000s. I don't, I think it's hard, it's hard to find a comparison in their era because a lot of these guys are going to be like game breaking type of athletes.

For 2000s, I'm not putting anybody. I'm just putting in LeBron because it's that. You're not going to find a superstar that plays like him, but so we got to go towards lower tier players that are like stylistically body type kind of similar. Lamar Odom. Josh Smith? I guess in terms of like that size This is too nasty, I can't do it

Yeah, skip it No, you gotta pick some 50,000 I can't, I can't, you just can't do it because That's the game No, because you can't have somebody Who is 6, what, 6, 8, 69 Is as fast as he is, as strong as he is Nobody has any type of combination

Where they're in like the 80th percentile of either Where LeBron is like 99th percentile in both Yeah, I guess it's Josh Smith But we're not this passing Nasty places, but okay Who else you want to go with? I don't know. I'm not hearing any better answers.

We're not going to skip it. I'm down with Josh Smith. Let's do it, whatever. You're not skipping, though. I'm not going to say another word. 2010s. To me, there's two answers. One of them is probably Ben Simmons.

Ben Simmons or 2018 Blake Griffin? I'm thinking 2018 Blake Griffin was a little bit after his athletic peak. Well, I picked that year. That's why I picked that year. That's like the ball handling passing year. The combination of skills, yeah, that's fine. But I think all in, if you're combining ball handling and athleticism, which I think are two, like obviously the two major things of LeBron's career,

Ben Simmons would kind of have to be the pick. He's the poster boy that, in my mind. Yeah, just without the jumper, obviously. Yeah, but that's more like young LeBron too, when young LeBron did. Oh, it wasn't quite that extreme. No, no, yeah. Okay, Ben Simmons is fair. 2020s, everyone's going to say Palo Bancaro is the easy one.

I kind of think Zion's a closer one in terms of athleticism and the ways they move with the ball in a really gifted way I think that upper tier athleticism and that bounce from that size is a little more similar than Palo just dribbling like LeBron

when he was old. Just looking like him? Yeah, Palo doesn't really play like him at all. He's not the driver that LeBron is. They don't, like, you know, the jump shot oriented to Palo isn't like LeBron whatsoever. I don't know.

Both their games are so wildly different than Lebrons. Yeah, and I think Zions is probably closer. I don't know, because Zion's, he's just so spammy when he comes to just like being in the pain and whatnot. Yeah. I mean, okay, so if we're talking about, if we're talking

about that, actually not. Janice doesn't, well, Janlon Johnson's right there, I'm just saying, man. I'm sorry, shut up. I'm sorry, shut the fuck. He's looking at you right there, man. Don't let that shoulder injury fool you, man. Listen, Zion is about an inch and a half shorter, just as fast, jumps just as high, dribbles in a similar fashion going to the paint.

But he doesn't pass, doesn't a rebound. You're not going to find him. Well, he has to rebound like him. But you're not going to find LeBron James. So, I mean, that's probably the closest we can do. I guess we can go to Zion. I don't know. His shot died is just so, like, different.

So wildly different. Not that different. I mean, they're both young LeBron was a slasher in a similar way. I mean, he obviously shot more than Zion does. But it's not like his shot difference. His shot diet's more similar to someone like Polly and Kara. So because Zion's like inability, not inability, but his choice to not spread out the four. okay I mean who which one more was

you act like I just said a curse I don't I don't think palamancio shot die is anything like any version of LeBron is closer to LeBron compared to someone like Bob Zion that's irrefutable right there no it's not because he likes to shoot here and there or he likes to shoot maybe a little bit too much

but he likes to shoot young LeBron was very half bag dive yeah again Janus is Mr. Halfback dive You should have won with Yonis 20s? Fuck it, let's go. I think so. Yonis now.

Yon is seven feet tall. I know, but he has more playmaking chops than Zion and, um... I don't know about that. Zons, Zon's passing. You always say points Zion. It is very underrated. I don't know. Yonis has higher usage and better scoring, so like passes is like more impactful, I guess.

He's a better player. Maybe. But I don't know if he's a better passer than Zion is. That's probably pretty close. I think for the sake of... Okay, that's an argument. Yonis also, young LeBron, yes, he was running a hatback dive he also he did take a couple jumpers jonas has been trying to add that into his game a little bit

i think the evolution of just having somebody who is the biggest strongest and fastest player on the floor and giving them the ball and letting them run the offense that's where i think yonis comes in yeah okay so you go yonis i guess yonis it is all right there we go yonis is 2020s lebron now now we'll do one more of those colby bryant's okay this is this is not that hard So, 1980s, obviously, Michael Jordan. Yes. That was clear his day. He is the birth of Kobe Bryant as a player, starts with Michael Jordan.

No worries he to be said. Now, 1990s, if we're not in you Jordan twice. Yeah. Well, do you know he's Jordan for 90s or 80s? Because I'm going to think of somebody else. I mean, 90s. I think more 90s because as like the Kobe that everybody like loved, like 24 Kobe, that's 90s. That's 1990s.

1980s is 2000s Kobe and then 1990s is... Okay, so who don't go for 1980s? Who was Kobe before Jordan was Kobe? I mean, you got to find somebody... See, this is... That's very tough because there wasn't a lot of guys like that before Jordan. Yeah. Yeah, you're not finding...

That's why I think we... That's why I did Jordan in the 80s. So I'll say if we're just talking about wing scores, you would think about somebody like a George Gergan. Yeah. didn't jump shoot he wasn't quite the most of a jump shooter but that that archetype wasn't quite as around so i'm okay going george gervin who even though he's more of a slasher okay or like alex english i guess but it's a similar thing all these guys all these wings were slashes

back then yeah i feel more okay with george gervin okay george gervin 80s jordan 90s 2000s best timet i wrote down tmack slash lokey young ray allen quite similar as a slasher obviously more a three-point shooter but yeah i like that terms of slashing and being able to shoot off the dribble. Young Real is kind of similar. Okay, so I don't hate that. I will go T-Mack just because of a shot diet. Yeah.

And because not only like playing in the mid-range, they're taking tough shots in the mid-range. Yeah. And they, like, athletically, T-Mack was, T-Mack was a better athlete than Kobe. You're bigger. Yeah. So I, but they still could put pressure on the rim.

They can still jump very, very high, have some high-flying dunks. Those two were also, like one and two in terms of scoring in the 2000s. So Vince Carter? No, I'm not leaning towards Vince. Okay. We're going to trace him in the great 2000s.

2010s. To me, this is DeMarter Rosen or Jimmy Butler? Where do you want to go? DeMarter Rosen or Jimmy Butler? You think Kyrie Irving doesn't have a place in these conversations? Nah, not really. I mean, he's so much smaller, so much more agile. I think the athleticism is a big part of Kobe in the size.

And his handle, his handle makes him play different. Like, yes, he loves Kobe. And he will take, he'll take, like, some stuff from him. But his play style is just so good. Or Devin Booker. For 2010s? For 2010s. I have, yes, I have Booker for 2010s.

Okay. Okay. Yeah, obviously everyone says DeMoir plays like him, but Booker's a more complete player, has a little more of the small skills that are like Kobe, some of the good passing chops, some of the, like, IQ stuff. I think Booker really embodies. And obviously, Jimmy Butler is a decent comparison, but different, obviously. Yeah.

Jimmy Bowler is so unique. I'm taking Devin Booker. 2020s. That's easy as fuck. It's Shea. Obviously Shea. She's probably going to go down as the closest to Kobe besides Michael Jordan, I guess. Yeah.

Because both and specifically like late stage Kobe because she's good athlete, fine. But he's not some crazy athlete. He's never been now. He really is thriving off of angles, off of pump fakes, off of counters and all this stuff. And the stuff that you saw from Kobe like 2008, 2009, where he wasn't jumping over everybody, but he was very tactical. Shea's just as tactical as Kobe is. And his footwork is insane.

She's developed into one of the highest IQ mid-range scores and how we can get to different baskets, get to the rim using that footwork. You mentioned, like, his, like, depth of angles and understanding of how to get different spots, next level. Yeah. So it's Shay. Yeah, it's Shay.

It's not close either. It's not close either, it's say. Yeah, he is modern Kobe. Like, obviously it looks different because of modern NBA's played differently, but he is so close to what I think Kobe would look like today. Yeah, and I feel like we've struggled for a long time.

Before Shade been going crazy over the last two years, we've been struggling when he comes to finding a good comparison for him. But I think he, out of every player in NBA history, outside of fucking MJ, of course, he compares to Kobe the most. And a lot of people just hate to say it in a minute. Yeah, yeah, you know what people feel about Shay, but fuck them.

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