The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Thing We've Learned About EVERY NBA Team | Ep. 165

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

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So we're going to do it's the same way we always do. All three of us have 10 teams that we're assigned. We will go through and tell you guys one thing we learned about each of our teams, have a little back and forth and keep it pushing. I think it's only right we start with what I think is the biggest surprise of the season to me so far. The Milwaukee Bucks, my first team. I learned two things about the Bucks. I'm already cheating from the top.

I'm telling you two things instead of one. I learned that one, Janice will be the MVP. And two, Ryan Rollins will be the most improved player. They got two awards on their hands. This team is special through four games. If you guys noticed, I've been saying Ryan Rollins' name as like my poster boy Randoms over the course of the offseason. For a reason, I always thought it was good.

I'm not going to sit here and have actual conversation about him. But my thoughts and my theories and me noticing over the course of, I guess the last year specifically when he was with the bucks, they're starting to come into fruition. Dude, this guy has been the most pleasant surprise in the entire NBA so far through four games. just walked down the Golden State Warriors by himself with no Yonis playing for a victory last night to give them, was it the fourth one of the season? They are currently...

Yeah, the 4-1-4-1 performing way better than anybody thought. And yeah, it's a whole interesting conversation, but we can start with Ryan Rollins real quick. This has been the breakout talent injection that's team needed from the guard position. You know, we spent the whole summer saying, what are the Bucks possibly going to do with this mishmash of parts that they did,

scrapping together, what was left over the Damien Lillard era, bringing in Miles Turner as a one-al-in move, and now we look at the roster and say, there's no guard creation, there's no wing defense, there's one center and he's not the most physical guy, so there's no rebounding, yada, yada, yada. This team clearly doesn't have the talent that some of the other top teams in the league have, right?

It doesn't matter because Yannis has been playing outrageous basketball. To me, clearly been the most viable player besides maybe Victor Womenyama for the course of the season. All those roster deficiencies that we talked about, they are there. Yannis said it doesn't matter

because I'm going to grab all the rebounds, I'm going to do all the playmaking, I'm going to do all the scoring. I'm going to have a crazy motor, the highest motive we've seen in the past four or five years, he looks like a player that hurt all the noise, understands that this team doesn't have the most talent around him.

They did a good job building around the right types of archetypes to make the most of those scraps I talked about. They have good shooting, they have athleticism. We knew that. But the question was, was it going to be enough to win a playoff series? Is it going to be enough to be better than the six seat I picked them to be? Yannis is kind of single-handily bringing them up

there. This is an insane carry job. Right now, because like we talked about the East and like three different tiers, top tier, Cleveland, New York, second tier, Orlando, Detroit, Atlanta, and then we get to like the bucks and all them, the team's in the middle, they look shakes.

They're folding. Even the Knicks at the top are still like, like they're two and two and we think that they can, you know, get better. They're also like, have their own problems. So now I'm looking at the bucks and it's like, our top three seed, like top two seats. It's for the taking. Yeah.

And it's okay if you are going to wave and stretch Dame's contract. if you're going to get Damien Lillard for $4 million a year, right? Like, if you're able to find that amount of value and Ryan Rollins can go out and score 30 last night, scored 25 the night before, hit Mad 3s. Like, if he's doing all the things that you needed Dame to do, then you're fine. Like, this is, this is honestly what they envisioned that the Bucks would look like two years ago when they first got Damon. And it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to have the best player in the world.

We're going to have this very dynamic guard. And we're going to have a seven foot stretch five who can provide some. type of room protection and now instead of Damon Brooke Lopez, that's Ryan Rollins and Miles Turner. Yeah. And I don't know how long it's going to last, obviously. But the entire summer, all Bucks fans heard from us and everybody else that has a mic or a TV

channel or anything that talks about basketball, all they've heard is how this Bucs team simply isn't good enough. They stand no chance of competing against the top teams in the conference, top teams in the league, right? So if it's for one week only, I don't know how long it lasts, bucks fans, now was your time to tell us and everybody else I told you so, because they are competing

and they're doing it in the exact way that you guys told us they would. All Bucks fans said is yes, they're not quite as talented, but for the first time in years, we have the best spacing run Janus, and we finally have youth and athleticism. We said, okay, that's nice. If there's no star power next to him, there's no creation ability next to him, I don't think that gets you much further than regular season success. And then here they are. The one guy, they said, not one guy, because they have a ball, young players like every team does, but they also said, Ryan Rollins has been one of those type of guys that's ready for a bigger role. And we all said, okay, he was good last year, broke out, finally found his place with the team

and from bouncing around for a few years. They said, look at the per 36 minute stats. This guy's clearly ready for more. I said, okay, I guess it's Ryan Rollins. It's probably a good six man. I'm not really expecting him to be the difference between you guys being a whatever team in the regular season that losing the first round or being a team that gives Yons to compete. But apparently he is because he broke out like crazy in the past few games.

Yeah. And it's not only guys like Ryan Rawlins, of course, Miles Turner is doing his thing well. It's his thing as well. You got Cole Anthony, who I'm not expecting again to be like the world's difference maker. But for this team, he is. he is like him, Ryan Rawlins, Derry Bird again, all those guys, Gary Trent, Jr., and like the craziness and the consistent force spreading that he provides, all those guys combined playing at their peak level, which is play really fucking hard and space the floor and be fast, be quick, be athletic, be just annoying to deal with, has created this combination of just, like, this is honestly the biggest surprise in NBA so far for me because you going back to which. you said about how everyone counted them out, me specifically as well. I think I probably had the Malky Books, the lowest in our Eastern Conference standings

predictions. I was not foreseen this coming. I could envision a world in which, okay, Ryan Rawlins can do something. That's why I had named dropped him a couple of times, but I'm just dancing around it. This is just like literally every single NBA fans dream come true. NBA GM's dream come true to have a guy who was at Ryan Rawans' level just ascend out of nowhere to this degree. Yeah.

I was the highest one in the rankings. And I put them six, which that does not be being high on the buck, sporting cast at all. I just said you have Yonnes for a healthy season and you have good spacing. You'll be a good regular season team in that weak-ass east. And six looks like it's too low because, like you said, those teams above them aren't necessarily taking the opportunity that's there for them. The hawks look like shit.

The magic offense looks like shit. The pistons have some stuff to figure out shooting-wise. So, yeah, they could definitely be higher than we give them credit for. And the funny part is people keep bad at me and they keep saying, I remember what y'all said about Ryan Rollins? because there's a clip when we were talking about the bucks

over under type thing and you said no chance in hell they're winning 45 games or something like that and I was like you're not moved by the athleticism

the spacing they finally got stuff and you were like are you moved by Ryan Rollins? Yeah which makes it sound like you think he's shit from a butt

yeah which really what you meant is like the Ryan Rollins of the world just like amalgamation of random players but you did say you did you did

besmirch Ryan Rollins so I guess you're a Ryan Rollins hate her now I did and I mean listen he gave he gave myself and my favorite favorite team belt two nights ago.

And I was like, all right, listen, maybe I was wrong. Maybe you heard that. Next time I'll say, you're moved by KPJ, I'll pick a different random target. Yeah.

Yeah. And like he, I hope it's not just a couple crazy games, but like he solidifies himself because he's just such a fun player to root for. He's so well-rounded,

active defender. He's been shooting the lights out. It's been crazy. He moves with so much, like you ever see, people talk about like he moves like a star. That's how I feel watching him drive sometimes.

I'm like, these movement patterns. there's something to this going to the rim. Yeah. I'm very, I'm very shocked and I will say that I was wrong. And even over the course of a week, because the last two,

the first three games, he wasn't shooting that well. And the last two games, he's really come on. So obviously he probably will be, you know, somewhere in the middle. I am a believer on this Bucks team.

I do think that everything that they've done over the first five games is real. And so now I'm rethinking, like how I think of, of the Eastern Conference, I do think that they probably are going to be a top four seat. Like I think that they are going to have home court advantage. Yeah,

I'm with that too. I don't think I'm ready to say they're going to like make a deep playoff run just because the reasons we said that be a first run to exit are still there, I think. But I do think for the regular season, they're even more well equipped in someone like Mithop putting them at the six seed. Yeah, I agree with you. That's also probably because I just feel worse about the teams I put right above them in the Hawks magic and pistons.

Good Lord. So I also think, Janus is best suited. for playing the Superman role where he has to do everything. I think in the past two years of Dame, he's still played fantastic, obviously. He still played MVP-level basketball. But I think he's one of those players

kind of like Prime James Hardin, where he really needs a specific floor layout, needs a specifically the ball in his hands on certain spots with the most spacing, and there's diminishing returns when you take the ball out of his hands and ask him to playoff ball. We learned with Dane, that's not really his game.

He's equipped to be this heliocentric guy, and I think you get the most out of him there. He's not reverse scalable. He's not. He's not. He's not reverse scalable. It's okay because he's the best. Dropping down in the rankings.

And also, like, props to him, man. He's rebounding more than he ever has. It feels like he's really taking that upon him because he knows his team is small and Miles Turner isn't going to get 12 rebounds a game. And he's just, he's also deferring when needed off ball. Like he's putting the ball on Ryan Rollins' hands so he can cut more. Like, I guess the only question I'd have is like, how long can he do this for? Because he's truly doing everything.

Exactly. That's the main thing. I think Janus, when it comes to superstars, we play the hardest, there's not many guys who you put above Yonis Tanacoupo. in the history of the league, that's it. Now, when you say you're worried about how long you can do this for, obviously we're not talking about like the mentality-wise and whatnot. We're talking about physically and whether or not his body can sustain like an 82

game-long season while playing to this level of this degree because Janus, out of all these superstars, out of the top five guys, he's been the most injured prone guy once April starts to come around, Marcel has to come around. Things just happen with his body. and things, that's when things start to look scary because the conversation starts with Janus and ends of Janus. And it's never been an NBA season like that to this degree.

Yeah, it feels very much like a old school team built for one star where they just do everything. Like, you don't see that these days. In large part, which you just mentioned, bodies break down with the pace of play and how much ground these guys at the cover, especially Janus, who has always been a do-it-all guy, maybe not quite to this degree or he's doing even more than ever.

But it's hard to have that guy do that for 82 games with modern pace and space. You don't ever see teams built like this with one superstar. I guess Wemby's kind of like that, but he has Fox coming in. Yeah. And I don't know. Also, like, we've also kind of seen it.

He didn't play in the last game. Yeah. Right. He was already out. Which is probably smart. Yeah. And it's been interesting because he's been extremely, extremely dominant. He's only played, he's played 26, 37, 33 and 33 minutes.

And so it's not like crazy, crazy high volume just in terms of like looking at that number and it being like mad big. But for everything that you're saying, he is doing everything. those games he scored 37 31 40 and 37 and so i don't know i'm with you guys like and we've seen especially in like modern NBA history we've seen stretches of guys where they really do have to backpack and then something unfortunate happens so obviously like we're not like wishing for anything like that but i do wonder the for the same like for everything that you guys are saying i i wonder how long that he can do this or if there's going to be be some like baked in like load management that comes with how you know with like how the bucks are

moving because he's also not like he's not 26 anymore he's not 25 he's 30 and he is he is now like trying to trying to save himself for the playoffs see if we can like if we get to like February and they are in top six top five and that feels a little bit firm we'll probably see a lot of that like load management stuff starts to happen with yeah I hope he keeps it up because this definitely feels like his version of 2018 playoff bro. where he had to backpack and like he understood the moments he understood that this team's only going as far as i take them i don't have the shooters around me i don't have the talent around me doesn't matter i'm yonis i don't have any excuses no matter what if i fail people will point to me

and not point to x player next to me he understands that clearly and he understands that he has every reason to request a trade and every desire to stay and not request a trade so he's clearly laying it all in the line doing every single thing he can to justify staying and being loyal because he's talked about if it doesn't work out he probably won't be if it's a first on exit so props to him man mentality wise he's risen to the occasion so hard for these first few games and i do kind of feel like of course going back to what you said i agree with you guys stance points in terms of them being a firm playoff team due to everyone else's not regression but just not necessarily meeting up to expectation close start and right now i'm thinking about

how the ways this can be actually sustainable and of course like janis has to be there playing at like 100% all the time. But even if he's like not there necessarily, their Doc Rivers, we never give him props. The only time we talk about him for real is when we're jumping on his ass. He deserves a lot of proser doing the simple stuff, of course. Alongside that, their defense has improved. Surprise, surprise, you get rid of someone like Damiener,

who isn't a fantastic defender at all by any means. And you have nothing but good defense surrounding Janus at all times. And also, Miles Turner, he's been playing elite basketball on both ends. He's a true difference maker. Again, like they realize how important it is to have someone like a miles turn or a four, a five out spacer alongside Yonis. And you just have like a lot of length around them when it comes to all these guys defensively and them getting deflections. Ryan Rawls, I think he has like a 610 wingspan.

A.J. Green, he has like a 6, 7 wingspan. All these guys have positive wingspans by several inches. So it's their defensive floor will help succumb all. the offensive wills I think could potentially have when Yonis isn't at like 110%. That's the point I'm less, I'm less 100% sure about just because they are, like, they really are relying on Yonis to finish plays as a rebounder. And the guys you mentioned are like good guard defenders. They don't have like a true wing stopper, which Yonis helps cover up.

I do want to see them nailed the one trade asset they have. They have one first round pick in between Kyle Kuzma and Bobby Portis and a couple of salary fillers. They can get to like $38 million a salary. If they can go out there and get them a true wing defender, which I'm sure they'll push the deadline to do that. they want to keep you honest right then i could be really moved like if they got an angel wiggins or dylan brooks or whatever the guys that you're talking about from these other teams

i need that then i would really be like okay i see the defensive vision for sure they yeah i can i can get with that honestly but right now the vice feels so good we're not changing the thing yeah yeah i agree fair enough yeah yeah good for them good for bucks fans tell us we're stupid we deserve for this week you guys deserve all the glaze of your own team you can right now because you were up that's on me donnam what is your first team Let's start with the Denver Nuggets. And I have learned that Yonis Valentunis has changed their broke lives. Yes, sir.

Talk about it. And I say that because right now, in this moment, the Nuggets are currently winning the non-yokage possessions. Not only just at zero-zero, winning them. They are positive plus one. Right? Let's go. And this is the first time in forever, maybe ever that the nuggets have had this level. of competency in the backup center position and for years we talk about all these gambling

scandals people are saying investigate the nuggets they are hiring and employing dandre jordan to boost up nicole yokech's on-off numbers because that because that's how bad our backup center position is if the nuggets are are able to maintain and this has been the story for really every great player but especially with yokic with mb and all those guys if they are able to maintain in those minutes, it is almost impossible to beat them. It is going to be extremely hard to beat them in a seven-game series when you have a guy like Yokech who's operating at the level that he is. Can't tell you?

Tell me. You're right. In general, giving the wrong person credit. Jamal Murray came into the season in shape and trying his hardest. And to me, that's the bigger difference. That's why they win these minutes, I think. because obviously he's only five-game sample size so these numbers don't really matter

but the on-off numbers are Jonas Valchunis their offense is nine points worse didn't want to look for court of course it's gonna be yokech is on the court the other minutes right? Defense is nine points worse when they're on the court Jamal Murray being able to actually carry

bench units by himself in the early season to me is a bigger thing he comes into these seasons so unsirious so many years playing himself into shape I don't really understand why he does it I'm sure it's just part of his like athletic schedule

and an athlete who clearly has like a good understanding that's a lot of guys say that they do to AD said that he did that also which is like I mean like I'm sure there's method to it right these guys aren't like I'm sure there's a reason I'm sure there's like it's not yeah like there's cameras everywhere we can tracks them yeah I'm giving him credit to say there's probably a reason it's not as simple as me being like get in the gym idiot like there's definitely a method to it but this year he didn't do that and they actually look like they have a guy who could make an all-star game because he's playing at 100% all season and that's a big deal to

me because that is why a lot of their non-yogish men have been bad because Jamal Murray just hasn't been capable of carrying an offense by himself. Dude, this year, he's entered, he started off the year. You're 100% correct. I think he has been the biggest difference maker, but also overall just like competency and competency around them as well. Jamal has came in to the seasons looking like playoff. Jamal Marie's averaging 27, shooting 41% from three on seven attempts.

And he's shooting like 94% from the line. He is literally looking like an all-star. is going to be yokech is probably if he's playing at this pace he's going to be an all-star there's going to be yokech's his first teammate of a who's been an all-star throughout the entirety of his career and i think if they're playing at this pace man jamaul murray specifically hey man scary things will be had scary conversations will be had in 38 minutes without yokech on the floor jemal murray currently has a 71% true shooting percentage 28 points 11 assist per 75 possessions yes obviously it's not sustainable you know but exactly

Exactly. That's what we've seen. We've seen him being able to be a playmaker and drive offense in these first two games. That 11 assists is obviously gassed, but like look at it with Yokish, 4.7. It's always going to be the case because Yokuch is the playmaking hub. Jamal being able to be that lead playmaker with the bench units is everything to me. And this is one of the first years in a long time that Jamal has come into the year, like, healthy. Because even like two years ago, he was playing through through injury in the in the playoffs. In 2024, he had like a capturing. He was dealing with hamstring issues. like later on it in the year. And even when he was playing for Team Canada, I mean, that experience went like terrible. And he was still dealing with a lot of those stuff. So getting people an actual offseason where you can just be an actual basketball player and not have to rehab and not have to worry about like,

okay, am I feeling 100%. He probably feels and everybody obviously says this in the off season, but he probably feels like he's in like the best shape of his life. You know, feels the best. And that is that like, Like, those small things make a, make a massive difference. So it's not shocking that he's come out to, to hoop.

Everybody, honestly, on the Nuggets, like, I feel really, really good about it because we've seen, obviously, Yoki says like a triple double in every single game. Jamal Murray is hooping. Eric Gorda have 50 points. Everybody on that team, and especially their three stars and the three, like, core pillars of that team is doing the things that you need them to do. And so if they are operating at that level, everybody else from like the Cam Johnson. He didn't even start turning up yet either.

Nope. He'll figure it out, though. Everybody else, like, you feel fine about being in that infrastructure, knowing that the quality of shots that you're going to get playing alongside Yokic. And if Jamal is who's been like this, now people have to respect him in a different way. You know that, like, Cam Johnson, he's going to be fine. Bruce Brown, he'll be all right. Christian Brown, he'll be good.

Like, everything's good. This is set up for Yokish to just easily go on cruise control for the entirety of the year. A couple weeks still when we had our predictions episode, you pointed out to me that there was a couple comments mentioning about how I said, Yoke's numbers aren't going to be

like that insane. I was more so pointing towards his like points for game numbers, points for game output. He got guys like Tim Hardaway Jr.

who's just on the floor to just shoot like fucking 50% from the three point line. Insane stuff. Aaron Gore and of course he's seen him

and his spot-up ability just ascend. Dating back to last year he's proven that it's like 100% real, not necessarily to this degree showing 50% or whatever but it's very real.

And then you have have Jamar Murray doing what he's doing as well. And then Cam Johnson, obviously, is another ball handler better than what they had last year in MPJ, who's going to naturally progress as a year goes on. Like, Yolkich is on such, like, cruise control. And I think the Stanford Nuggets team is going to probably prevail towards the postseason. But again, this is just what we see. Yep.

What's your first team, ma'am? Oh, man. Okay, I think this is too much positive talk. Okay. My first team that I'm here to talk about is the New Orleans Pelicans. What did you learn? I think this team needs to not exist in the NBA anymore. I've been saying that.

No else I learned specifically? Willie Green needs to have no job tomorrow. I think we should go ahead and send the Pelicans organization as a whole to Poland. They shouldn't be a part of like the NBA whatsoever. NBA Europe. Let's send them somewhere cold and just like not glorified at all. So let's go ahead and do that because this team is so bad to watch. Watch, historically, this is the stat that jumps out the most.

The North Pelicans right now have the worst rim defense in the entire history of the ND. Surprise, surprise. They are allowing a historic 74% at the rim right now. And their offense is also bullshit. Their offense is terrible. They're not running, no point Zion at all. They're not prioritizing or emphasizing Trey Murphy at all. The synergy between Zahn and Trey Murphy feels wildly off.

And then when you go in and talk about the overall, like, discussion, the hierarchy, what guys like Joe Dumars wants to prioritize it feels like and also looks like that Joe Dumars is in Willie Green's ear, who's not a good coach at all, by the way, as well. To go ahead and prioritize the young guys. And last game, we saw Jordan Pooke get benched for Jeremiah Fears, who's playing really well, but still questionable decision. And we saw Jordan Poole hit a three, stare at Willie Green's face, and just like in like disgust. Like you really bench me.

Why would you do that? You know? Yeah, man. And so it feels like they're just prioritizing the young guys and Joe Dumars is trying to really not save his job because he already got there. But he's really just like trying to put his foot down and let be known that they're trying to, they're potentially like ushering into a new era. Yeah, we can keep pushing. We've got to spend too much time on the Pelicans. But, yeah, Joe Dumars is just as incompetent as we thought.

Trading those, getting rid of those two first-on picks, being his own next year and the Patriot's one, are going to bite just as hard as we thought it would. That's going to be terrible to premier assets. And yeah, Willie Green is going to be one of several coaches you talked about today that's probably going to be fired by this time next week. Real quick. Next week.

I don't know. I'm going to move soon. Sometime in the first half of the season, he is probably going to be fired. This is not going well. This is sad, man. So sad. Donovan, who's your next turn. Yeah.

Next team, Golden State Warriors. years. Let's go there. I think we learned that this is the year. Camiga's kind of putting it together. And we also learned what we always knew that Jonathan Camiga is the missing piece. Who would have thought this team would look good if they get an athletic wing who would do the small stuff, make good passes, and hit his open shots. It will also be in the great slasher he's always been. Obviously, small sample size. We've seen Camiga have good stretches. So I'm not, I'm scared of getting burnt a little bit. But just through these first few games, he looks like he gets it. He looks like he's making sharper reasons ever made before, you see the fire of somebody who knows

he's on his chance that he has to have a good year or I don't know what he doesn't get paid next year. And overall, I think it's encouraging. There's been a lot of Civil War on Warriors Twitter, which I always see because they have an insane Twitter fan base, where they've always had a big difference between Kaminga believers and non-believers to their own factions. And the believers are like, he's always been this. Steve Kerrish is dumb as rocks and never gave him the chance. But no, he's better now. Like, he is clearly playing with a better on-court awareness he's ever had. Yeah, I fully agree. I think, like, the awareness, the awareness is the most encouraging part out of all of this. Because you can have, and especially with Kaminger, you can

have hot shooting streets. Yep. You can have weeks where everything is going, is going right, where games are just open and you can be this high flying athlete and all this, right? With things just click kind of naturally. Him as a, him as a connector and as somebody who is making better, better reads, that is actual, that's actual growth.

Even if you aren't with the Warriors next year and you do go, go get a contract, you can be a legitimate, like productive player somewhere else also. Like that's, that's the biggest thing out of everything. That's, and that's something that we've always had like such a hard time talking about

over the last few years. Whenever we talk about Jonathan Migan, trade suitors, him, the Brooklyn Mets, the Utah Jazz. Bro, at this point in time, if you're going to get this version, Johnny Kaminga, he's someone who every single NBA team would want. What's the most surprising word to hear come out of your mouth, Donovan, was to hear the word, connector.

Jonathan Kaminga being a connector, sounds like I'm in an alternate universe. And I said this during the, I don't know who they were playing. It must have been the Indiana Pacers or, I don't know, but we watched that game together, the words, it was against the Denver Nuggets, yes. seeing how Jonathan Kamingo was just making all this simple reads and how he was playing, again, like, to your point, with ultimate awareness and also the word I like to add on top is intention, which is like, yo, he's playing within the flow of the offense and he's trying to get things going, being like a genuine bump in the bump and having like legit juice in this offense is amazing. With him out there, Curry, Dremont, and Jimmy Butler, this four lineup, this five lineup also with whoever like fills out that random five spot too. this is the best lineup in the entire NBA.

I believe their net rating is like sizably towards the top of the league right now as you speak and Kaminga is playing like peak version of what you imagine him being with the gonna say worries and we said this ago we said this after their first game obviously was an overreaction

but week two of this is pretty nice and really encouraging and it's looking like this is probably like a real thing for the first time ever. Yep. He's such a fun player because I can't even say like we were low on him I don't even like everybody was low on him like he's given nobody any faith in him over the last couple years so it's just like a collective good for him he's finally figured out because he's so

clearly a good fit on paper with this roster and so clearly what they need for a team that I think everyone enjoys and they're good to the Warriors they're the funnest team in the league when step Curry has a chance so it's just a just dope story I feel like everybody should be happy for him yeah this is it's this is this is very good to see out of the first two weeks and I'm buying, I'm buying back in to, to the Warriors, seeing Cominga, you know, transform into a different player. And I believe in, in their title hopes as much. And also, like, they, they lost the game last night, but there were moments last night

where I was like, dang, like, this team does look kind of old. And so, and seeing coming and seeing him level up is also like, okay, cool. We, there is something, some youth here, some other energy outside of, you know, man in the park we've just been playing together for like for seven years and we know and so it gives them that different that different look that they can go to sometimes look at this three year our apm which is a advanced plus minus straight zeros across the board i wonder if that's a glitch i feel like that's got to be or is he just like the world's most even unimpactful player no way it's literally zeros across the board yeah i know find somebody else is it is it glitch

let me go 25 okay yeah it's glitch because now we go to three it's super negative if we go back to last year never mind unless this year he just has the exact right amount in four games to go to neutral which probably a glitch but overall yeah good for them having alhorford there in these minutes as well is always important for a couple years you talked about comminga that they needed to stretch five to unlock his ability to start next to draymond having linens with draymond caminga and al horford gives you exactly what we're saying you needed for all these years yeah what's your next team donovan um let's go with the minnesota tim wolves okay what did you learn about this i don't know interesting team through four games um i learned that they made a mistake trading for rob dinham yeah

i i think so much bones island i yeah it's a it's a it's a lot of bones island it's it's not a lot of of rob um um up until this point right now rob dillanham is playing less than 10 minutes a game down from last season when he was playing 10.5 minutes per game and giving up the assets that that that they did for rob you knew that like you had to be invested and that they have every reason in the world to be invested in Rob Dillingham because of the assets because of the fact that Mike Conley is old and he is on his final legs and that you are now being forced to start like Dante at the point guard position and that's just like him starting at the point guard position is really like hey we just need five guys out here

one of you guys has to be listed as the point guard so we're just going to put you out there especially when when aunt is healthy. But at every turn, they have a chance to make him and give him the reps to be the point guard of the future. And it just hasn't happened. And you know all the reasons, like all the baked in deficiencies that he would have because of his size,

because of his potential defense. And the best version of Rob is probably going to be as a bucket getter, as somebody who can inject some life into the offense, take some of the offensive creation load out of, Julius Randall's hands, Anthony Edwards' hands, and that just hasn't been there. And so now I'm looking at it through the first couple games of this year. And I really think that they made a mistake.

I don't even know if I can really say that just yet because he hasn't even gone the, like, fair opportunity when it comes to, like, Anthony Edwards is out. Why is he not getting all the opportunity in the world right now? That's my point. One game in the first Lakers game, he got bopping the nose after being on the court for 30 seconds. Which sucks. Yes. That hurts those minutes per game stats.

Which sucks. I understand that. But I can't say that they whiffed it. But I will say this is the potential first, like, big with, big, like, smudge on the Anthony Edwards era and how the Timberwolves has decided to go ahead and, like, navigate through this because they did go ahead and give up a pick to the second to the spurs, but it belongs to the Kings now because of whatever trade. So, like, I am definitely noticing it's just so, like, disheartening to see him not even get any

burn for real at times like this. Yeah, you can't become a bus yet because the, opportunity he hasn't like shown us he's terrible but at a certain point it's something i learned through the jalen hoodchafino experience minutes are earned by young players you know these coaches would love to play their rookies and there's clearly something he's seeing in practice clearly something he's seeing in his small amount of minutes that's saying i can't trust him for whatever reason and to reach your own a lot of people doubt chris finch and a lot of people are judgmental of him as a coach maybe right or wrong i'll let timbrewell's fans decide if he's good or not so you could

give him the bail that he needs a better chance and more opportunity to work through those things but also if they don't feel good about it the biggest thing I learned about the Timberwell is they need a fucking point guard and Rob Dillingham is the best answer if he's not going to be the answer this season for whatever reason right or wrong that's a major problem

they have no other real avenue outside of making a huge trade and trading one of their important rotation players that make money and outside of that we're just looking at them playing Anthony Edwards at point guard

which he's capable of to some degree but we talk all last year that if we're going to see them trade for another star we all agreed that we want it to be a point guard we want to see them be able to weaponize off ball and let him have a dynamic ability to play on or off ball not be forced to be point forward even if he can do it i don't think that's the best version of him or the best

version of the team and i think that's just what they're going to be this year this might turn into another comminga kind of a situation where you have a faction of the fans are like he's so nice like let him play he's not getting the opportunity and the coaches are like yo you've seen like really what's going i'm trying i'm trying he's like like i'm you and you said it all the coaches they would love every coach would love if they could go 10 11 deep right there's now for for whatever reason whether if it's like overall philosophy or you can't trust the guy or they're just not playing well people aren't going to get into into games but you have you have that aspect of it and maybe like when he does get an opportunity maybe he's more ready for the opportunity in 30 games

than he is right now and then and then and then we can come back and kind of reassess it but over the first year and five games it hasn't looked great and even throughout all of last year it wasn't necessarily the most promising things that we were hearing about like oh yeah like next year rob's going to come in and he's got to dominate and this is just going to be awesome like it it does feel a little bit off right now yeah all right now all right mo what's your next team my next team let's just go ahead and get this out the way of the alana hawks nice let's talk about this bullshit team that's piss me off every time i watch them play they can't rebound for shit they can't shoot for shit Tray can't shoot for shit.

Jalen Johnson, his defensive effort is fucking blackluster as hell. Like, this team all around is just so disgusting and disappointing on all fronts. And they are like the one of the poster boys, one of the few poster boys of disappointment in the Eastern, or the entire NBA. But specifically in the Eastern Conference for sure. Did they trick us? Did we buy in too hard on a team full of third and fourth option good role players? like did we buy in too hard on the team of super mid we because being super mid gets you far if you if all the t pieces connect yes however i will have to give the hawks a little bit of um of grace here they didn't trick us we tricked ourselves we should have we should have known they're the hawks we should have known we should have known atlanta sports will never have something good going in their goddamn lives oh man it's just so so discouraging because okay train's trade's gonna be out for the next i don't know how long thankfully it's not like a super serious injury but he could be

out for a couple of weeks, which is like seismic for the lack of playmaking that we have on our team already. But man, like, seeing what's been happening on the court has been just straight of discouraging, considering okay, like John Johnson, he's clearly taken a couple more steps offensively. I like the playmaking. I like what I'm seeing from Chris Osprezingis and his just straight-up, just impact on the floor because of his insane five-out spacing and the shot blocking threat that he is. But this

team can't rebound, bro. We're so thin. We can't rebound. We can't rebound. we can't defend we're not a good offense or obviously like still not a good defense nothing is clicking nothing is working right now we're not playing hard as well we're we get ran down all the time in transition dyson daniels looking like he stole money looking like he just running off like you got the easiest 30 million dollars of your fucking life offensively i still can't tell what he's worked on during the off season i'm disappointed i'm sick 19% from three 47% from two on spacing play types he has a zero percent true shot attempts minus 57% relative

true shooting on spacing play types spent too much time going back and forward with Pat Ben I can't I didn't need like that was a 12 minute monologue by the way he's been real time writing that

the playmaking's been great but just I'm just so frustrated by like the Tray Young scoring experience year after year and how much I always say this have jokingly

since they took out those free throw rules and made life harder on that specific free throw gifting he did driving into the lane his scoring has been nuked I just all this will probably

even itself out to some degree Jalen Johnson will probably look a little better defensively, and Trayon will get healthy, he'll get past October training like it is every year and start shooting a little bit better, right? All this stuff will look a little bit better and they'll probably normalize to be the five or six eight, right? End of the day, I'm still at the point

where I don't feel convinced a team should try to succeed but Trayon is your best player. I feel like he needs to play with his score better than him so he can focus on the playmaking stuff and have less burden on his shoulders to drive the scoring offense. And maybe that is the case. I do feel like for a player, his archetype,

you probably lend to do that because that'll give you the best chance to play basketball at like the highest level but right now with the product that we have it's not fucking good whatsoever and I am not doing good mentally as well I I almost like wanted to come up here and just put on headphones from my Atlanta Hawks a bit and just start blasting like me goes while you guys are yeah off so all right well that's stuff for you it's all my team's I'm doing great are you really I'm doing fantastic one thing I learned about the Los Angeles Lakers this season Austin Reeves is a true star no more cats aviates. No more. This is one of the best bench players in the league. This is a sneaky good

starter. Six men of the year. Awesome third option, better third option than XYZ. This is an all-star player. This is a building block superstar in the making. Obviously, superstars, generous. But this is a building block that we should build around for the next five years with Luca Donchich. I think we've seen him ascend these conversations year after year. He succeeded in so many play types, so many team roles and constructions, so many different things have been asked of him. Now he's being asked to be the one option with Luca and LeBronher. He's dropping 50. he's getting 16 assists the next game hitting game winners over gobert he answers the call every single time and i just think this time we recognize him as a true star top five shooting guard in the league

okay yeah top five top five shooting guard that's stamped the top three of teflon fourth best shooting guard in the league that stamped in my in my opinion i would take him over desmond bain right now i would take him over jalen brown right now yeah and i guess so if we agree that austin reeves is cleage this guy and is playing an all-star pace i feel very good about the state of lakers one thing i've learned is that when LeBron and Luke are healthy, I feel pretty vindicated in my optimism for this team. DeAnd Dayton, that's played pretty goddamn well.

In pretty much all the ways I thought he would, I think I'm not going to take any victory laps yet on DeAndreighton. But through five games, it's looking exactly like I said, it would, 18th best starting center league, whatever, very good, all-around player. He's been playing really good rim defense.

Not the most mobile active defender to plug holes, but he locked up a bonus, has outplayed Gobert twice, looks very good when he's in position. Outplayed Gobert. I know. Paying the best. I know, hang the bend.

We didn't mention it. Gobert also looks like shit. He also looks like he lost his stuff again. We forgot talking about that with two rules. But nevertheless, he's looked good defensively. He is rebounding fine. He's not going to be the best rebound in the world, obviously. And the mid-range scoring has been a real impact thing.

And in the one game he had with Luca before he got hurt when they figured out, the Lop threat stuff looked pretty real. Feel good there. I feel pretty good about La Ravia. I feel pretty good about smart. I feel pretty good about every single spot. So once LeBron comes in, I feel like we're going to be able to see low usage LeBron, especially with Austin Reeves, ascending that can focus on

defense and plug a lot of holes there this team's going to be really goddamn good i think yeah i said it on our stream monday two td3 lives tap in 4 30 central time live every single monday i said that you know we've been looking for the next jalen brunton type player someone's going to take that type of leap within their team last year we thought about we thought if it was going to be someone like andrew nem hard he was heavy in those conversations terms of like okay we know you're good but are you like next level good austin reese has been there in front of our faces for the fucking longest. We've just been seeing this undrafted rookie, undrafted by choice, by the way, undrafted

rookie a couple of years ago, just continued to ascend to insane degrees. Last year, we watched him drop 38, 37. I remember he gave, I think the India to pace is like 45 points on a random night in 2025 towards the back half of the season. He's just so damn good and he's clearly like one of the best ball handler in the league. When you compare him, when we have like an overall guard conversation and, seeing where he ranks, I start to feel like very uncomfortable because of the type of conversations that he's like forced himself into. Like now I'm looking at him and I look at someone like Deerrin

Fox and I'm like, what I rather have on my team? That's a fun combo. I look at him and I look at someone like not maybe Darius Garland. I'm like, what I'd rather have on my team? You have to think about it. Austin Regis has forced himself into your mind. He can't no longer look at him as if He's just like a good complimentary piece. No, he is the piece. Yeah, and I think we're seeing like he's capable, like the fact I said earlier, the fact that he can be a third option,

be a second option, be a bench score, be a first option and win multiple games against good defenses. Like, he is clearly one of the more versatile players in the league that can do whatever you need of him. I, you know, you try to imagine the perfect defender to draw up to neutralize what Austin Reeves does. His name is Jaden McDaniels.

We saw it in the playoffs. Austin Reeves' biggest weakness is if you get big athletic defenders in front of him that he can't blow by, things get tough for him real fast. We saw Anthony Edwards and Jadenny McDaniels put him in a torture chamber in the playoffs. In this game, Jadne McDaniels did slow down his scoring.

He couldn't get to the rim quite as well and he shot poorly from the field. He had 16 assists and had the game winner over him and Gobert anyways. He finds ways to be valuable with the ball in his hands. That was one of the most encouraging games I've seen from somebody

that shoot less than 40% from the field because he did everything else. Shout to him. He's going to be extremely rich. Oh, yeah. From the Lakers. They're going to pay him whatever is needed. He's getting a,

a bag and shout out to JJ Reddick and everything that like that he's done helping helping empower Austin Reeves to really get to this to like this next level and you know how does that story about the sons a couple years ago and like bringing in Monty Williams

about like what the owner said about the coach basically essentially for this version of like Austin Reeves and JJ Reddick that cracker needed a cracker you know what I'm saying and he's and he's out here he's out here hooping and so I do think that like for

for JJ Austin and like that that combination is is perfect and it's so funny because you see a lot of a lot of Mavericks fans are watching Lakers games and then watching what Austin Reeves did and they're like he's doing what Brunson was doing for us and it really does feel like hey anytime that you give Luca another two guard who's also dynamic who can also score playmake a little bit and even for Austin Reeves 16 assists like there's not just a little playmaking but you know what I'm saying they go they They go on deep playoff fronts. He went to the conference finals with Brunson. They've been to the finals with him and Kyrie.

And so if everybody else can be average and you're inserting a LeBron James into this equation, I can see where Lakers fans are getting a lot of the hope from for a for a solid playoff run. Trade Maxi Kleba, gave Vincent and whatever the salary filler, hopefully shared Van derbyville, probably don't want him. Whatever you need, first-round pick. Bring me Dylan Brooks on a platter and this team can make a conference finals. Give me a point of attack defender like that that can hit a three. This team can make a run.

Guys, I made a game on the fly. Okay. We're going to play easy, hard, impossible, Austin Reeves edition. Easy, hard, impossible. Will Austin Reeves be better than these players than I'm about to name? Okay. Okay. First player up, Trey Young.

Well, so who would I rather have in a playoff series? Yes. Like, at the end of this year? Yes. Well, let's talk about right now. If I'm the Lakers, I'd certainly rather have Austin Reeves playing with Luca Dantzic. And I guess I'd rather have Trey Young As like the engine of my team number one option

But like just barely That's looking suspect For most teams Neither one of these guys should be your best player I want Austin Reeves as a second option more So you can see Austin Reeves Easily passing up Troy Young at the end of the year If he's playing next to Luca Donchitz yes

I won't say in a vacuum But with Luca yes In a vacuum yes Oh you're going all in fuck it He's better than Trey Okay What I've seen from Trey Is very disturbing

This guy just getting disturbed Okay All right next name Deeran Fox Is it going to be hard for him To pass up Deeron Fox Yes I think so

No it's not going to be hard Same type of thing I think I love Deer and Fox But same type of thing For a team that has a lead ball Handler like Luca Donchich Or any team that has a superstar Austin Reeves clearly can play on

Offball Is a worse defender than Fox But it's not like that makes up For the gulf and value there That he clearly can bring The only reason why I think it's going to be hard is because everybody that is going to play on the spurs this year

is going to look better than what they are because Wembe is just making it so easy for everybody. So that's the reason why I think it's hard. In a vacuum, I do think that that conversation is a little bit tougher. And it could skew Austin Reeves' weight in a vacuum, but just based on the fact, like, they're both playing with these like otherworldly superstars. Yeah.

Fox also gets a boost. I think they're both very good. People are doing way too much Fox revisionism, trying to trade them too early as if the spurs can't have two good guards. So it's not anti-Fox at all, but I think Austin Reeves will be in those convos. I agree. I think simply because of Austin Reeves shooting and how we just forces his way to the rim

with these so like elusive, these long, slow, elusive crosovers and getting, and how is his ability to get to the paint, I think he can. And he's a good playmaker. He's a good passer. Yeah, exactly. Is it impossible for him to surpass Donovan Mitchell? Oh, hell yeah. Of course, it's impossible.

I'm not going to get too crazy. No, he fails. Yeah, win. If Austin Reeves had that athleticism. then we can talk. That would be a different type of player, but no. I'm not seeing Austin Reeves having Tomahawk backscrack. That's just not in his back.

Listen, I'm a glaze of Laker. I'm not going to be stupid about it. Damn, damn, damn, damn. But we can put them in the combos with those, like, lower all-star level guards. We can definitely have those conversations. But, yeah, Donald Mitchell's a different animal. Yeah, he fails.

Okay. Yeah, that'd be crazy. Donovan, what's your next team? The Portland Trailblazers. Okay. So, on one hand, I feel like I've learned too much about this team over the first week of the season

on the other hand I've learned that Drew Holiday still has it. Yes. Drew Holiday looks amazing and he's been he's just been fantastic as a as a score as a as a defender

like he is he's hooping right now. Yeah and I love this forward because I didn't think that this was going to I didn't think that he still had this in the tank especially like after after what what he put on film last year in Boston it looked like okay we we kind of got to the peak of Drew Holiday

they won the championship now we're going to start to decline for an aging you know for an aging player who has a very physical style of play he's he's over 33 over 34 all that stuff he's just going to be a solid player whatever this being the distributor that he's been being the score that he's been this is amazing for

for Portland averaging probably about 27 and 5 season it's like that's goddamn good and it's pretty goddamn good that's a goddamn awesome right there when I watch True Holiday in Portland I'm like oh my God like why hasn't he been there

his whole career like this is the best version of Drew Holiday on both ends of the four that we've seen in quite a long time obviously like I expect there to I expect like some regression scoring wise for sure probably go down to 20 instead of like 26

absolutely but with his like fit in he's at 20 right now yeah he's a leap, man. With the identity of the Portland Shoreblazers, it's just like so glove in hand and I can't wait till Dame Lillard comes back next year and we can see this like old savvy

invention presence be alongside the like big, big wings, almost had big guards because he plays like one, but big wings and Denny and Tomani Kamara just go ahead and they're going to be fun. Do you think the trade you? He has a pretty bad contract, quote unquote, because it's like multiple years on it. So I've seen Rockets fans talk

about that a lot because people were theorizing that the Rockets will get him because they need a point guard. people are like that money is kind of scary after this year I wonder if they just run it up run it with him and just try to make the plan or if they look to trade him if they can I think you have no reason to keep him but also I also say on the very on the same note you have no reasons during

especially if people if they view his contract as bad they're not going to give you anything of note might as well keep them yeah yeah I have to see what the packages is going to look like but I do think and obviously for a lot of these teams we'll see what it looks like in January and we'll see how the how the vibes are going

but I don't know $37 million for for vibes in a couple years like you can get all the mentorship that you need two years left and one's a player option 37 years old making 37

yeah so that's never mind no one's going to trade for the shit but listen let's get as many good years and that's picked up already like it's they already have the note they're just waiting for it to be sent in but listen I hope it continues to work that's good mentorship for that locker room

yes but shout out to Drew Holiday for it because he is hooping my next team we can get this one out relatively quick. The Utah Jazz, I love this basketball team. They're fucking back. You don't want to get them off or you want to have a long dialogue. I told you the jazz offense is going to be awesome. I think they're great. They're awesome. The biggest thing that's popped out to me, obviously like Larry Marketing, he's insane. He's currently averaging like 34. He's fully back to that all-star level player that he was a couple years ago. But I think the most

surprising thing for me, of course, like I see Walker Kessor. I see the passing leap that he seemed to make. I see the three point shooting as well. He's only taking like, I think, two or three a game. That being like just a decent presence from there changes a lot for this team. But again, that's not like super surprising to me. More so is in terms of, it's surprising in terms of my expectations is Keonté George. He's playing really good smart basketball. On the defensive end, he's not getting ran up on. On the offensive end, he's not playing like the worst version of C.J. McCollum. That's essentially what he was throughout the entirety of his career. Right now he's averaging like 22 points, averaging nine assists making so many

smart, like buttoned up NBA player high level playmaker plays. And I think that he's like fully locked in because he's witnessed not once, but twice now. Your team that starts you, go ahead and drafts point guards on Isaiah Collier last year and in this year, Walter Clinton, Jr. Your, like, your starting position was on the line and I think he's fully answered that and it feels like, okay, like you are like the lead guard for, for your team right now. How you can this two years from before the season, I think. This jazz fan page said the Utah Jazz have three top 100 players argue with the wall and Keonté, Lowry and Walker Kessler. That's a hot take. It might age well. Yeah. I don't know if Kiante doesn't get the top 100,

we've got to see it for longer, obviously. But if your optimism is right and he really hasn't that leap, I think Walker Kessler has clearly made that leap. This could be. good thing. Yeah, I think Keontes' leap might be real. Right now he's shooting like piss poor from three. He's like 22%. I don't expect that to be as bad as time goes on. He doesn't he doesn't look like a bad three-point shooter at all. But what's also surprising about his offensive game is how often he's been like barely his head down to the rim. He's taking like nine free throws a game. That's like I'm not calling him a star with that star level stuff. Yeah, it's obviously a huge value increase. Next team I got on my list. Let's go to Miami Heat.

what I've learned from the Miami Heat is Eric Spolstra stealing the Grizzies offense from last year has saved Jaime Hawkes' life has saved Pell Larson's life has saved Drew Smith's life all these role players Norm Powell has made his life even better

this offense has fully unlocked the slew of role players around them and everything the Miami Heat said over the summer about our offense is going to be different don't expect us to run back the same thing we're smarter than that we understand that we came to an end of the road run before with that just

pointless off ball motion offense that kind of got outdated after a while. We're done with that. We're no longer running off screens. We're just not setting screens at all. We're doing everything. We saw what the Grizzes did last year and how that offense with no screens,

lots of isolation, lots of attacking closeouts. It worked. They had the best half-quare offensive that Grizzies I've ever had in this era except John Morant said, I don't like it. And then neutered their best player and you can't do that.

Otherwise, you're wasting money on John Morant. So it didn't work for the Grizzlies. Eric Bolshah said, I see you. I respect why it didn't work for you. I'm different. I know how to make it work. I got the players to make it.

work. And it is working. They've had a top 10 offense in the league this year. Like I said, before Norm Powell got hurt. He looked fantastic. Jaime Hawkes is the perfect fit for this offense. He kind of looked like he was going to the NBA gulag last year. It just wasn't working with that offense. And this specific scheme rewards players who can attack a closeout. That is all Jaime Hockes does is attack closeouts and be smart with his first step. That's literally all he can do. And this is the perfect offense for him. Shout out to the heat. And shout out to the sponsor. Because for a while, especially like the last couple years, or the last couple years and even like the second half of last year, like, all right, like we know sports is great, but, you know, maybe, maybe time is running out, you know, maybe he's losing the fastball. At least this era of talent was running out with his game.

And then he comes back just in the lab, training like a Rocky movie. He's like, what do I have to do? What do I have to do? And boom, everything clicks. I think for them, they are much, this version of the heat is as interesting as they've, as they've, been in three or four years. Yep. It's since like the peak peak of the Jimmy Butler era, probably in probably since 22 when

they had the, when they got the one seat. As of today, their 11th in offensive rating and third in defensive rating. And that's third in net rating overall, filtering out garbage time and cleaning the glass. So we'll see what looks like when Tyler Hero comes back. I've seen some heat discourse where some fans are like, I don't know, man, Norm Powell's here. Maybe we don't need Tyler Hero, maybe we should trade him. Tyler Hero is a big on ball, give me a ball screen type of guy. And I don't know.

I kind of think clearly Eric Spolcher is getting all these guys to buy in. Tyler Hero is a good offball shooter. He can move a little bit. I want to give a chance to fit into this offense first, which they obviously will. I kind of have faith that him and Norm Powell can look good together and make this work in the scheme. If you're just creating a space and telling everybody go get buckets, yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's everything we talked about the grisies last year. It's methodical.

They don't need a screen so they don't bog things down and give defenses a time to rotate and adapt. You got to be moving quick, making decisions quick, and make the defense make decisions quick. And they're the most well-coached team They'll always succeed in all the margins And running everything right Because Eric Spolcher is really good That's kind of his thing is he's the king of execution He'll get the most value at everybody

And this offense rewards that I 110% agree dog Actually 111% agree Okay Changing it up for once I think that yo If there's no like surprise team in the NBA And if the Miami heat end up being like

The seventh seed or the sixth seed Give Eric Spolter finally the coach of the evening year because no one's seen this shit coming bro so based off of you know you this is like the most dire and um depleted of talent this team has been throughout the not the history of eric butcher's tenure at all but in the 2020s hell yes this is the worst version probably there's jimmy butler and it's that simple he's had a star for a while now he doesn't exactly and so seeing you got seeing how he's elevated this team offensively with this entirely new philogical new to the Miami Heat's organization philosophy while also like maintaining a top 10 NBA defense.

I think top six to be specific as well gives you a great floor to Orlando. Obviously I don't expect them to be the best offense in the NBA. That sounds insane. Yeah, they're 11 now. That makes sense. Yeah. Like even if they slip down to like 14 or 15, that's still a massive win. And this team is going to like break a lot of teams hearts.

The team is going to disappoint a lot of other teams in the Eastern Conference because they're going to just slide their way into the sixth, seven. seed, hell, maybe even five seed, and just be competent. All right, relax. We'll see. Well, actually, yeah, you're right. The Hawks suck ass. Yeah, we'll see.

It's a conference. All right. Who's up next? Oh, wait. Whose team was that? Who cares? All right, I'll go. Indiana Pacers.

What did you learn about this team without Tyre's Halliburton? I learned that Isaac was right and that Pascal Seaco would not be playing basketball on Mark. This team is headed to the number one pick. This team is headed to the top. of the lottery odds and the bottom of the standings, they are losing games at a fast, fast pace

and it makes sense. It really does make sense. And for all the reasons that we were not high on them to make an actual run and they weren't going to be this like sneaky team that can still do it. Guys, they lost so many pieces. They lost Tyree's Halliburton.

They lost their engines on both sides of the ball in terms of Tyre's Halliburton and Miles Turner. And now we're here and the pacer are at the bottom of the Eastern Conference and they are mid and they are not even mid they're just not good right now. Yeah.

And so you just, you see the writing on the wall and they will still do all of the, all of the pacer things. They're still going to play extremely hard. They're still going to pick up 94 feet. They're still going to put a lot of pressure on ball handlers.

However, there comes a certain point where if you don't have the guys and you don't have the guys and that's where they're at right now. And they just, they haven't been able to put it to put it together, I think things can get out of hand pretty quickly here if O and 4 isn't already out of hand. So I think that Siakum is not going to play meaningful minutes in March and they will end up doing a pseudo tank or just an outright tank. Yeah. And like right now, did you see that

picture of all the guys they have on the sidelines? Yeah. T. Jim McConnell hurt, Tyrese halliburton, Andrew Nimhard, Benedict Mathron, Johnny Furphy. And I forget who else. Johnny Furphy. These six guys injured. I'm like, dude, holy shit. And that's the type of things. This team always obviously could win some games. Everybody's hoping everything's perfect. Nothing goes perfect in an NBA season. Everybody deals in injuries. Good teams have good players behind their good players so they can survive.

They can have their awesome Reeves carry them to some wins. This team does not have that luxury. And as soon as something went south, it was going to go very south. And here we are. Yeah. All the other pressure stuff. It gets them to a place where they still, they are league average in defense. With all of those guys out, they have the third worst offense.

in the league right now. Oh, we top in there, too. I forgot with that. Yeah. Yeah. Count them out. Yeah, it's over. But it's good.

This is a good thing. I know Patriot's fans argued against the idea because they never tank and they never, they know their M.O. is to be good. I understand that way you fought that way from an organization standpoint. This is a good thing. You want A.J. de Bonsa on your team. Cameron Boozer with Tyrese Hallburn will move mountains. It's time to watch your team lose and enjoy it every time because you can pray for one of the three

superstars in this draft. And if you don't like losing, go be a good friend, a good family members, spend your time elsewhere. Go watch the Colts. You're up right now and the others for you. You're super up. Just don't watch pictures

basketball this year if it's not for you. It's fun. Look at their front office growing up and actually making development. They're not doing this on purpose. They're not doing this on purpose.

No, if they didn't want to lose on purpose, they, to be fair, they did that Moss Turner walk. And they did that Miles Turner walk, which is a clear sign

of kind of going towards a tanking thing. Nobody talked about that. There's a reason they didn't pay him. They knew they'd be worse this year. It wasn't worked in the long run. So they are smarter than people give them credit for it in terms of knowing when it's time to take your foot off the

gas. Yeah. The next team that I want to talk about is a Charlotte Hornets. Ooh. And the one thing that I learned is that they are still ass, but they are competent. On offense. They're not like, yeah, on offense. On offense.

On offense. Because they have zero hope of being a good defense. They've always had zero hope of being good defense when your lead guard, your point of attack defender is lamella ball and you have no other defender who can stand. And Miles Bridges is your weak side helper? Yeah, exactly. you're already held but i will say it is very encouraging to see the mellow ball's usage usage rate draw from 35% to now 30% it is encouraging to see concanipo playing like a very

inspiring great brand of basketball that you'd want to see from your first round pick this is something that they haven't had since they probably drafted someone like the mellow ball like they whipped on every single draft case since then pretty much so that's that's amazing to see It sucks, of course. Brandon Miller's hurt and who the fuck knows when he's going to come back with his new shoulder injury? That's like easy, like one of the most like disappointing conversations that we haven't had just yet. But they're playing an aspiring brand of basketball. They look better.

They're still not good. But at the end of the day, they're competent, which is like a humongous step. Their fifth and offensive rating right now. They have two guys who can set a screen and roll in Calc Brenner or Calcbrner. I don't know how to say that right. And Diabatee, that's competent, giving you guys some centers that can at least play offense. right even though Diabate misses the most of the lives I've ever seen in my life he can finish a dunk and he gets offensive rebounds like crazy that brings value like you

said canipal sexting is really good just casually bringing in a very good offensive player to help you that's not going to necessarily uplift your defense either but will make your offense more competence up and down the board offensive slanted players and that's playing dividends fifth and offensive rating but I will say playing them on defense is the ultimate get right game I saw the Orlando Magic play the most disciplined good offensive best I've ever seen them play because every time you run on the court, you will get an advantage of offense. Yeah, exactly. This team has nothing to look forward towards when it comes to the defensive end.

Lamello ball, he cannot defend without fighting for his life, bro. He is like one of, he is one of the worst guard defenders that the NBA has to offer. So there's that. None changed. Yeah. Again, at least we got something going. We're at least going to be a good offense this year. My turn?

That's about the United Magic, the team I just mentioned. What did I learn? I learned that as expected, Desmond Bain is not to cure all their offensive philosophy, offensive talent ecosystem, offensive coaching, all of it is still kind of broken. And in fact, I think they've broken Desmond Bain. He has not made a single three. It feels like this season.

Feels like somebody that was brought in to be one of the most consistent shooters in the world. Forgot how to shoot as soon as he stepped foot into a lounge and magic facility. Maybe they're cursed. This is the second year in a row. This has happened to an outstanding shooter at shooting guard. Maybe there's some reasons besides just luck. We can get into that if you wants. But overall, feels like the same.

exact team. And in fact, I would guess the main thing I learned is they need to give Franz Wagner the goddamn ball. He has his lowest on ball percentage of the last three years. He's being used like an off ball wing because they brought in Tice Jones and they've decided to run their offense through their guards now because I think they understand that the Palo Banerro Helio stuff isn't quite working well. So there's a lot of Tice Jones usage, a lot of Anthony Black usage. And Desmond Bayne is obviously going to a lot of usage to validate the four first on picks given up. Franz Wagner is by far their best ball handler. By far their best playmaker, best opportunity created for others with his driving and he so often in these fourth quarters

is being treated like a fourth fiddle in terms of on ball reps and i've seen a lot of ralanda magic fans post these like different graphs that show the clear link between his on ball percentage i was going to bring between his on ball percentage and uh their team offense usage per quarter we see franz wagner here tracking with this uh what color line i see orange starts first in the fourth quarter slowly goes down until he's dead last here in the fourth quarter as you see on this right side of the graph. And then we go to the next slide. Damn.

What the fuck, man? This is so sad. Direct trend between the more Franz Varker touched the ball, the better the offensive rating is. Yeah. Something that you said earlier that I don't even agree with. Everything you said was right except this, I think that they don't even feel like the same team

because defensively, they're fucking garbage as well. And that's what they used to hang their hat on. Last year, they went from the second best defense in the NBA to now the current. the 19th best or 21st best defense and then last year they were like one of the best teams in the league when it comes to deflecting the ball they ranked at like six or something like that and this year they are dead last guess they're at an offense too they're 21st 21st offense they're not last this time but they're still not top 20 exactly growth but that's

the top of the top of growth that I want to see more it's more alarming for me personally knowing that like what type of growth do I want to see what type of growth do I want to see damn i don't know what that was for anyways um type of growth that i want to see is them offensively or defensively specifically they need to get shit together i as time goes on i feel like the kicking dirt in your feet wait go wait go ahead pick that flag up pick that flag up don't say none don't say nothing keep going So what's the type of gruff you like? Go ahead.

Go ahead. Pick it up. That's what the money's for. Red. You are banned for at least a minute, silenced. All right? Science for a minute. Now this discussion about the Orlando Magic between me and you.

Timers on. Cool. Seeing how they died defensively again brings the ultimate sounds for someone like Jamal Mosley because it feels like you're starting to lose your team. There's nothing that's changed. about your team specifically on the roster wise outside of okay maybe moe wagner is not there no more is moe wagner carrying your team defensively i think he's a fine defender he's obviously

loud and he's a part of their identity and all that alongside jillin slugs franz wardner and all that but yo he's not there jonathan isy has just like died apparently he don't be getting no burn like that at all he's just sitting there like rotting on this team i'm not expecting him to be like a world saver you didn't play that much last year at all but this team is disappointing on all ends and that's not what this ball this game is about for them defense first it's not even that anymore yeah i don't i i have no idea like where where they go uh from from this point because like if you are going to make that transition and even if it's not like a conscious one if that's just like all right the talent on our team is going to skew more offensively one talked about it all over

again you've never been competent offensively so let's just see what we can do there and I don't know if their offense is, well, actually, I do know. Their offense is not figured out enough and they don't have enough regular infrastructure in place to where they can, they can afford to be the 13th best defense. Jamal Mosley, welcome to Willie Green Island of coaches that are on humongous risk of losing the job in the next month. Dude, they're, bro, I'm not going to like, when you talk about a hot seat, yo, their ass is on fire.

Yeah, and there's a good, there's at least one more we'll talk about. It will get to. Yes. Is it my turn? Yes, it is. I will move on to Oklahoma City Thunder. What I've learned is A.J. Mitchell is the answer to their lack of ball handling. And when J.do comes back and when him and Chet are both on the court healthy together,

they have their full assortment of players, they will look so much smoother offensively when they can have more than two ball handlers on this team. A.J. Mitchell is going to be the perfect third guy. I think if you're a betting man, A.J. Mitchell's sixth man of the year is probably a wise bet at this point of the season. I don't know where he's at in the odds. I hope there's still good odds for you there. I think that might be my pick I'm changing to you. Because as a backup point guard, Dave obviously had nothing.

In recent years, we've gotten to playoff settings where in the minutes that Shea is on the court, Jay Dub is playing point guard. When they're both in the court, it's just those two. If you can effectively shut the water off of their ball handling, nobody else will be able to put the ball on the court and create any sort of penetration. Here comes AJ Mitchell to fix that. He is the favorite right now. He's the favorite plus 700.

Vegas knows, fuck, your chance is lost. Nevertheless, still probably a good bet. Yeah, still a decent number. Yeah, I think this is, this has been one of the main problems that they've had for like two and a half, three years now. Forever. Yeah. Especially since they traded giddy for Caruso, which made them significantly better,

but took away a ball handling option. Yeah. And the two issues that they had years ago were they needed a backup big and they went out and they got Hart and Stein. They fixed that. They obviously leaned into. It's okay if our ball handling isn't great. We're just going to have a,

we're going to have the, the slew of perimeter defenders, and we're going to really lean in to the fact that if we can't dribble, neither can you. And so that's what it's been at. And so we're drafting tow pitch. He's going to redshirt. He's coming back from injury.

If we can find one guy who can help Shay, you know, dribble the ball and create offense, then that's fine. And look how good they play together. Look how good the numbers are when these two are playing. and how clearly useful it is for Shea to have another ball handler and not just be in hell with lineups with four non-shooters and four non-dribblers.

With A.J. Mitchell, he's at 37 points for 75 and with Shea, A.J. Mitchell is at 26 points for 75. Obviously highly efficient across the board. These guys help each other because it's good to have more than one dribb this season, especially with no J-dub. I can't believe they have all these wins right now. Shea is carrying offensively unbelievably hard. There is no good offensive players out there.

They're playing games without J-dub and Chet. She is carrying an insane load. I mentioned that with Yannis, how he's my MVP pick right now because he's doing so much or so little. Offensively, it's the same thing for Shea, maybe even worse, because he doesn't even have a Ryan Rollins some of these lineups. I guess AJ Mitchell is a Ryan Rollins.

But, like, he's operating with so little creation out there that A.J. Mitchell feels like a godsend compared to who else is out there. Six and up. Yeah, man. Yeah, have not lost the game. This, Shea went beyond his MVP race is going to be generational.

It's insane. I'm assuming Luca and Yoko to take themselves out of it because they have more help and don't get to do quite as much. these three guys are backpacking maybe even Shay gets himself out of that but in the year when Jadab's back

but if he's still in it Shay went to be honest gonna be crazy it's hard it's hard to envision a world and where they're out of it like this is still this defense has gone even better since last year

by a couple points as well and seeing how he's been doing it without Chet who's missed a couple games here and there and Jada wouldn't step forward on the court just yet it's just insane

and I just feel like it's so hard also when is Jada gonna play they've had no communication when we did our predictions episode and I said they would like rival the win total from last year maybe one more

I didn't know Jade I was going to miss this much time I wasn't even like aware of him recovering from his wrist surgery until the season started and he was out and I was like oh what did I miss he's going to miss like the first chunk of the season there is no communication is his wrist intact it might be it might be I saw him pick something up okay was it heavy I don't know I doubt it so yeah whatever's going on with him the factor six no without him I guess maybe it doesn't matter if he's there not

in terms of winning 65 games but as somebody who wants to see them win 70 I would like I would like him to play soon Yeah Yeah man Who is up next I'll go next We will go with the

We go to San Antonio Spurs Because we've learned We've learned a lot What you learn Over the first five games And obviously I've learned that Victor We Njama

has the best play in the world And I've learned That Dylan Harper is going to win Rookie of the year Ooh You think so? Okay Over Vij

That's tough Yeah Is the world though There's a world. Yo, Dylan Harper is nice, man. Dylan Harper's crazy. And I understand, I understand that there is a faction of Spurs fans that are trying to,

you know, trade the Air Fox already, which is like, one, not going to happen. And two, a little bit premature. Doesn't need to happen. Yeah. But, all right. So we'll just start with Wembe. Because this game last, like last night against, against the heat, again, just a calm, 2718 one steal five blocks you know just nothing

casual nothing chill and it's like and I sent this in chat they're in there the spurs are in one of those seasons one of those house money seasons where they can lose in the first round of the of the playoffs they can you know be the four see whatever anything is on the table and it's going to be good for them and they are playing games in october where they're hitting threes at the end of the third quarter to make people call

time out and Wemby's running up and down the, you know, up and down the court, flexing, telling the fans to get up. Every game feels so important and the energy around that team is so, so high. And it's because Vick has ascended into this upper echelon of NBA player and he's no longer the theory of what Wemianama can be. He is at like, like this is the start of his pride. I kind of think he might be the second best floor raiser in the NBA of people around him right now. The way Devin Vassell, Kelden Johnson, all these guys. who were just guys last year at best

look like real quality role players that he can win with because the attention that Wemby draws and shout out to Mitch Johnson, his ability to draw boys for these guys to create value next to him. Devin Vassell is walking into so many good jumper looks. I haven't looked at the numbers.

I feel like his amount of uncontested jump shots have been the highest in the league because Wembe draws a million bodies every single time he's on the court. Keldon Johnson's getting open threes because of that too. Dylan Harper has all the driving lanes in the world to show off his flashy abilities

to finish with that footwork there, I don't know outside of Yolkich if anybody elevates role players more than he does right now. Yeah, I can agree with you on that and you only talked about like half of the corner. I don't even think Yonis maybe, like approaches this level of like impact

all around from both ends. He's up there, but I don't know. I feel like Wembe just by nature being 7-7 draws in more attention sometimes, which is crazy because Yonis also is high up there in that regard. But like even like Stefan Castle, most of his production is he's killing in transition

because Wembe stops everything at the rim and creates transition opportunities. That's an insane offensive boost that nobody talks about is that if you can't be finished of the rim that you're going to have a way higher transition offense. I learned that the San Antonio Spurs are going to win 50 games this year. That's not ridiculous.

And that's crazy because the town of the roster isn't even that good. Wembe is just that good. Bro, Stefan Castle is averaging the same amount of assist as turnovers. Five and five a game. That's insane. That's terrible. And it doesn't matter because Wembe draws that much attention. If Yonis keeps it up,

I think there's a good chance to be MVP. if the honest falters even a little bit I think Wemby could walk away with it almost not unanimously because there are too many good players right now but it could be a like we get to February and we all know what's up. Yeah, damn Derek Rose's legacy is on the line bro. Wemby's going to be the youngest

MVP if he does win this year. And it feels like we're going there like not it's not even hyperbole it's not even glaze it feels like he's going to be the clear MVP. Yeah. Like if this team wins 50 games That's crazy and this roster's ass. They don't even have Deer and Fox yet. Yeah, 5 and 0 without default crazy. And I don't people realize

Deer and Aaron Fox is fair. band fucking Tastic at basketball. He's going to look so good with Victor Weminyama. And it sucks. I still haven't really had a chance to build any type of chemistry because he's been hurt the whole time recovering. So I don't think they had any training camp together. But if they can get there after a month of playing together, come playoff time.

This thing can be filthy. They've missed. Yeah, they've missed Spock. Sohan hasn't been there either. And so it's like. That I care less about. Well, I'm saying just for, just for defensive talent. Yeah.

You know, and just having guys that don't have to, just so that all the other four guys don't have to be completely covered up. Like, there might be, there might be lineups where the defense gets even better when you have, when you have so hot. I will say I'm enjoying watching him play with four shooters. So the Sohan thing, I'm like, listen, moves need to be made. Maybe you got a young piece that we moved right there. My next team, you said you enjoy watching and play with four shooters.

Let's talk about a team. Who is the complete opposite of that? The Detroit Pistons. Oh, man, one of my favorite aspects of Kate Cunningham's game was his ability. to play back to the basket in his post his post game very rare to see that as a lead guard you don't see it too often for these type of guys these type of scores to do that and that game that part of his game has completely been like evaporated because he plays with no shooters no scoring no juice at all but he continues to showcase why he's like one of the best guards in the NBA in general

because of the defensive presence that he has okay like how many point guards are making that level of play that we see on the screen right now not a few In fact, I could probably be named maybe like two or three others. Him and Derek White. That's about that's about the list. And maybe Jalen sucks too. And that's it. That's literally it.

So, yeah, this team, offensively, they have fucking issues. But you are seeing a certain level of leap, at least from Jail and Duren in terms of, you know, he's shooting 8% from the retail line. That's nice. And you go ahead and see Assar Thompson getting, he's being prioritized a bit more. Of course, he's still like learning and growing in his role. And the same can be set up with Ron Harlan. I think these two are like, they've clearly. been better basketball players, but not better in the way that'll lead to Kate Cunningham

and his stats looking sexy. And overall, his feel of play, like being easier to. You're focusing everybody else. Thank God, Kate had this bounce back game. Because he, the first few games, oh my God, the turnovers were ridiculous. He was rusty to start the year. And yeah, the, like, spacing everything else contributes. He was playing like dog shit for the first few games. But he bounced back. He looked very good in his last games. Thank God for that. But yeah, I think overall, overarching thing of all you said, they got to figure out the spacing.

They got to make some moves, get some more shooters in there because all the wings that aren't good shooters, the bigs, all that's going according to plan. They just need the support. Yeah, they're missing Malik Beasley

very heavily. Yeah. Because, and Duncan Robinson, in this game, he also had a much better game that he had been playing. But coming into this game, he was shooting like 32% from three,

which is vastly different than 40% on nine attempts that Malik Beasley was given you last year. the spacing is there i'm also like you're seeing why i was like hey jaden ivy like has to play for this team and he has to be really good because they do need somebody else who can who can break down a defense and who can create offense for themselves instead of putting absolutely everything on kade and so when he when he comes back i'm very interested interested to see how that

goes okay next team i got toronto rafters third team on our list of coach coaching. Damn. Fuckery. You're done. Sorry, Darko. I think you're cooked. I think one thing I learned

about the Raptor is is they will have a new coach in a couple months. It feels like I'm watching a team that has a coach that's never seen his players play before. Some of the stuff

he's doing defensively, I'm like, do you know anything about your players? There has been a league widespread of people wanting to be like the Pacers and wanting to copy

their aggression, picking up 94 feet, double teaming of stars and just playing this frenetic crazy defense. not everybody has an Andrew Nimhard and an Aaron Niesmith. This team is one of those teams.

They are sending so many doubles in the half court that just leads to the easiest passes for other teams because their players aren't good at executing it. He doesn't know his talent quite well enough to execute this. I don't think they're going to have to change it up and play more traditional offense. I mean, defense that's less aggressive

because they are a turn style. Anybody could eat against them. That's getting into just a defense. Offensively, Yakopoda looks goddamn terrible before he got hurt. He looks, he's dealing with back issues. that's probably why he looks like he can't move at all doesn't look like the answer offensively

and Emmanuel quickly just isn't a point guard I think that that experiment is done he's a shooting guard yeah I 100% agree with you I think Emmanuel quickly earns I'm not going to say he earns way too much money but he gets way too much playing time alongside guys like RJ Barrett and I feel like there's overall artsing

themes for these two guys and you just can't have these two guys in your starting line of playing a ton of minutes and RJ's been finishing pretty well RJ Scotty Ingram look about as good as you could hope for It's still a flawed premise of an offense Because none of those guys are high three-point volume It's really like attacking mismatches And like we'll probably never be a top-tier offense

But I think those guys are working as good as you could hope for Scottie Barnes looks like he's recovered And doesn't look like he's having the shitty offense of here he had last season He's efficient at all three levels right now And Ingram has been what you want from Ingram But the one in five around those three Big question marks They had to figure that out whether it's for trades

Or hoping for bounce backs from these two guys Kind of think they need to be in the market for both positions on the trade market. And yeah, defensively, they had to completely change their ideology there. Otherwise, Darko is going to get fired. Yeah, they gave up 139 points to the Rockets and the Mavericks. The Rockets are currently number one on offensive rating. Yeah, that's that's because of that's, that's crazy.

Because they played the Brooklyn Nets and the Raptors. And my next team is the Rockets. Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah. And it's like, but wait, do we want to stay on the Raptors? Yeah, it's just simple. Like, they need to find a new center probably and they definitely need a point guard and they definitely need a new coach.

That's what we've learned is that shout out these three forwards. an attack hopefully you can feel good about them three going forward we need to figure out the edges yeah all right to to the rockets i've i've learned they need to they need to trade for a point guard because in like shadow stangoon he has taken a leap forward they like he is passing his playmaking and his and his scoring he's been awesome this year and kd has been kd however the two games that they have won the or yeah the two games that they've won and the two games that have like you said, propel them to be this number one offense, they have played unserious basketball teams on the defense event.

They've played the Brooklyn Nets and the Toronto Raptors. Outside of that, if you are playing an actual competent NBA team or a team with any type of defensive personnel, your offense gets so stuck in the mud. And, like, it's, I've learned that the double big is, it's nice as a tool, but not as the foundation. And they stop starting it. Yeah, of the offense.

And that's why they move to, to, to Akogi in the starting lineup because you just have to have a little bit of space into to start the game and so it makes sense why why they did that but you you can't live like this you really can't for for the next 78 games they have to go out they have to make a trade and maybe it is like eventually like drew holiday or they do something like that or somebody you know on a lower tier than that but again shout out sangoon I don't I don't want Sanguon to be the point guard. Right.

So he's, I'm kind of okay with him being the lead guard, but they need other looks like you're saying. Because right now, when Kevin Durant and Sangoon are both playing together, he looks good. That's what their offensive rating is so good. Those two are meshing unbelievably well.

And we look at, we can look at both their numbers with each other and without. They both score so much better with each other on the court opposed to without. They're both below 20 points for game. It's individually, 25 and 31 together. Because when they're together,

Sangun's ability to draw a double team and create looks for others, that's his entire value offensively. What makes him an all-star is he in the post is a physical mismatch that will make you send help and he will kick it out to shooters.

Kevin Durant is the perfect fit for a guy like that. You put him in the right position so you have to help off with Kevin Durant. It's led to good offense consistently. When one of those guys are playing without each other,

they don't have that guy to play off of. They don't have any other offensive players that either create an advantage or can finish an advantage like both these two guys can. And it's no coincidence

that they play together well but without them there's no other options. Yeah. And Katie said it on Twitter. He's like, sometimes I'm so, I'm so wide open. I like, I'm shocked. Yeah. They're a brilliant duo.

Like, they truly have amazing synergy. We just need more, looks, more versatile. So when these guys are on the bench, we don't just have nothing going on offensively. They're so interesting. They're so interesting to see. I haven't one of the teams that I haven't watched too too much. But off looking at the stats, I see that they've fallen off defensively, at least for these first four games or whatever. I think they're like the 17th, 18th.

defense in this because the double big thing they were running a lot of zone and just getting lit up a little bit and that's why they've gone away from that quite as much because it was just they weren't putting any pressure on the ball before half court and it was just the downside of what the double big could do in too many minutes was showing gotcha but i think they're going to be fine long term because they're trying to figure out the balance yeah yeah exactly with the few games the two games that i did watch i never i never like once talked to myself like oh my god this defense is like has completely fallen off whatever happened to toronto and serious basketball game overall and then the first game that I watched with O KC, they went

overtime. In fact, that that game was like so like gritty defensively as well. It's interesting to notice for sure. If they didn't lose Fairbant-Vit, this team would be amazing. That's my biggest takeaway is that everything that we thought could happen with Sengun and Kevin Durant and the amazing synergy, they had one more guy who could feed the ball, run a set and just keep the offensive float, this team would be amazing. Yeah, I am happy that for Sangun that we are like, that he is in this position where we, like, he has the opportunity to show us this leap.

Yeah. You know, like coming off of last year and some of the offensive stuff wasn't as great. And then, you know. He wasn't even being prioritized like that much last year offensively too as an initiator. And so shout out, shout out to the Turks because they are like. They're up. Yeah. You've been proven right and everything that you've been saying about, about Sangu.

Also, he's gotten better. Right. So like, he wasn't, he wasn't always this, but your belief is now being paid off. So I do really like that. It's so weird because now he's shooting the lights out and still wasn't finishing super well inside consistently. I'm like, I don't understand his player that went from this guy with these certain strengths

and completely flipped it as the years go on. His development has been so just unique in that way that I hope to stretch big stuff stays because if he can be a stretch big that can really hit from the outside, either on ball or off ball while in his lead playmaker, that's a very useful player.

Exactly. Especially with Kevin Durant. It's a perfect Kevin Durant teammate. My next theme, the Washington Wizard they are a fun team to watch that's what i learned and the standout player for their team is not the former number two overall pick from last year in fact he's been solid too he's still he's shown some growth but he's not like the main talking point right now that 100% deserves

is something that deserves to be he's sean george he looks amazing he's taking the step forward he looks like one of those i'm not going to say rare because it feels like they're so common these days, but like a very polished, uh, big Ford who can go ahead and masquerade as a point guard, the way he's able to play with like such pace, the ball handing skills and ability, everything that British fans thought he could be is idealizing so fucking fast. He looks so comfortable with the ball. Defensively, he's fucking perfect. Literally on and off ball. He feels like he's always like locked in and through all the ups and downs and the frantic style of play that some of these random role players have on this scene, whether it be Sarr and his

ability to, he's been, he's been finishing a lot of plays, but some team, but he's still, like, not necessarily perfect. Whether it's Sarr or someone like Kay Whitmore, who is just a weird offensive player, weird player in general, he is the constant for this team that just keeps on growing and ascending. Yeah. Fantastic player. Having my fantasy team, and I'm very happy to say so. He has been fantastic. Yeah. He's probably their best player. He is their best player. He is. Easily. Yeah, and Sarah's also looked good. He's had some flashes. Got shut down by the thunder. Who amongst us hasn't been locked up by the thunder? I give him a pass. Game before that, he's looking really good. I have faith for those two.

They need to launch CJ McCollum into the sun. Get him out of their as fast as possible. He has been dreadful since he got there. Yeah, and they need to give Trey Johnson way more opportunities, way more looks to as well. That will come with launching Siege and McCollum into the sun. But I have enjoyed Chris Middleton. He's done a really good job of setting up Alexar for a lot of these finishing opportunities. Obviously, Alexar was like the worst finisher in the league last year. a big part of that would be a better playmaking environment for him to get easy looks. Chris Milton is in a fantastic job of getting the ball on post-entry passes when he has a mismatch. He just doing a good job and bring an actual adult style. I'm not going to say championship level basketball, but he's played that before, obviously,

one-one before, obviously, and he's, like, setting the stage of showing these guys how you set up an NBA offense. Yeah, he knows it to get the ball in the right places and keep it moving. I'm still mad at McCollum for how he played against Philly. Oh, yeah, he sold it. Sold it to the sign. I have two teams up next. I'm going to group together. Phoenix Suns, Brooklyn Nets.

Ooh. I have learned you are a basketball team that exists. Nice. Ooh. Can I go ahead and double up or triple up with you? Go for it. I got one more team. The Sacramento Kings.

They're a team that exists. I have a little bit of thoughts about them and is mostly mean. But the Sons and the Nets, I think they've done, I haven't learned a single thing. I'm not going to lie. All right. I want to hear about the Kings thing. I've learned that the Kings are the poster boy for the stupid. stupidest people I know.

They are. Just imagine the dumbest motherfucker you ever met in your life that just like doesn't know anything and that's who runs the Sacramento Kings. This roster is so goddamn stupid and that our preseason predictions

I put the Kings towards the bottom because I was like surely they will blow it up. Surely this will be the year where they say we have to trade these players and have to just start over because this is so stupid. It got stupider since then.

Dennis Schroeder has played worse than I imagined. Not a good fit for that offense. I don't think, I think he's a good player doesn't fit well with Sabonis. Levine and DeBroson,

almost nobody does, because that's an absurd top three players to be rostering in this league. I guess Russ fits better with those three because he brings that thrust to the offense, brings that pace and energy

which the three guys I mentioned before bring goddamn zero. So I guess the rusting has been kind of good for them. You know, he brings things they don't have as a playmaker and as a high effort motor guy, but that team is just so goddamn stupid.

From the top down, every line they put out, so goddamn stupid. They allowed Austin Reeves to walk them down and get 51 points in the game, 26 free throw points it felt like I can't remember the exact number

It was something high like that And they were like After the pro-sking presser, DeMarter Rosen was like They got all these fruit throws We're going downhill, why don't we get him Go watch that game They were fouling the shit of him They fouled Austin Reed like four times

Behind the half court line When they were in the bonus Because they were pressing him moving up to court Why are you pressing Austin Reeves so hard That you keep fouling him And why did you not stop after the first two fouls? They are just unbelievably stupid In every way

Whether it's coaching, roster construction GMing, I won't say players so their players are good, they just don't fit. Everything about them rings out as stupid. I hate them with a burning passion. Where do you want to see Sabonus play in February?

I don't care. I don't want to see him play. I don't care at all. What do you want to see the game play? I guess that's the interesting part. I don't care. Send it to Milwaukee. Shit.

That'll be fun. They could get that done. That'll be fun, man. Okay. It might be a lot. Kind of complicated. No, no, it won't be actually. I don't know if what does he make now?

It's in the, 40s? Yeah. I'll check. Maybe they can't quite get there. I know they can get to high 30s. God damn. Maybe they can't quite get there, but if we can figure that out, I need it.

The bucks are back. Yeah, let's blow this team up to smithereens. I hate them with a burning passion. Yeah. I watched the Lakers beat them, and I wasn't even happy to Lakers fan. I was pissed off as an NBA fan that I was watching the Kings. This year, Levina is making 47.5 million. Next year, player option for 49 million.

Yeah, I don't think the bucks can get there. Yeah. All right. Next up, Donovan, who you got? Let's go with the Los Angeles Clippers. I have I have learned that I'm putting Kauai Leonard on watch. Because on on even more watch than he's already under I'm going to say I'm looking at him it's been so so much watch I forgot who's who's on the watch list but specifically on

the basketball court because when James Hardin is not there the Clippers offense still looks kind of like it looks very very suspect and so obviously kawai is not a he's not a playmaker in that in that way he's not going to be the offensive engine that kawai is but the numbers are kind of staggering in terms of what what the clippers are with kawai on and no hardin and then with hardening and no kawai and they are massively massively better than uh with hardin and no kauai than vice versa and I'm just watching that because I do think that even if there's a difference

and you are better with Hardin than Kawhi you should not be bad and they have not looked good without Hardin and so maybe it's an overall point about while James Hardin is still just like crazy engine but I'm looking at Kawhi and I just think that he should be a little bit better

and the offense should look better when it's just him so that's the only thing that I'm watching with the Clippers right now I think we're tapping on that clock yeah Yeah, it's the peak when he's on the court Isn't what it once was

And like You have to assume it's never coming back I think he's one of those guys You watch and if it slows down You're like, I have no real reason to think That this guy at this stage of his career With his body is gonna bounce back Kind of feels like if you see it deteriorate

It's just gone Yeah So James Harder, you're the best player On the Clippers That's what I'm watching with the clips If he says we're probably the second best point on the Clippers That's the next team

Your turn My turn Ooh, okay. My next team is the Dallas Mavericks. I want to talk about tapping on that clock. Tapping on that clock. Mr. Claybert Thompson. Oh my gosh.

Clay Thompson, we could talk about Anthony Davis. We could talk about the disgusting experience that we witnessed when it comes to watching Point Cooper, which is not his fault necessarily. He's a rookie. He's the youngest player in the NBA. There's going to be ups and downs. Again, that was way too. too loud good lord why i look at this team and i just think why did we go ahead and decide to trade

not we them why did they just go ahead and decide to not prioritize someone like quentin grimes why did they go ahead and i'm just going back to this lucca thing man like they are so indescelate of ball handlers it's disgusting to see and along with like going ahead and pointing that clock towards someone like clay thompson i feel so bad for him because it shouldn't be like that Like, you shouldn't be, like, looked off so many times dating back to last year and not getting good luck still this year. I feel so bad for him because you went ahead and said out loud through people like Dramong Green, which I watched a clip of the other day, how we wanted to play alongside someone like Luca Donchison. You're not there anymore. In fact, you got, like, you're playing like the exact opposite of Luca ball right now.

I feel so bad. And that's what I'm on. What's one thing I learned for them? All around. Nothing to say. 29th on offensive rating, 27th, an effective field goal percentage. They do not create good shots. They do not finish good shots.

22nd turnover percentage. They do not protect the ball because they don't have ball handers and they're starting their rookie power forward at point guard. I guess to do the Yannis thing that Jason Kiddford did and probably feels real good about that he helped him become a ball handler by getting him those touches early in his career. A little bit different circumstance here. I think you have a little more to play for than those early bucks teams did.

So I understand the process. I'm willing to be patient and wait for it to pay dividends when Cooper ends up being better for this. They don't really like it. I have to remind myself to understand the long game because when I'm watching it, I'm like, he's just not a point guard and never will be, so it feels kind of crazy to me.

And what's really crazy to me is there are 30th an offensive rebound percentage for a team starting a 6-9 point guard and two seven-footers. 30th, an offensive rebound percentage. Jeez, like how? Which is also wild because, and I guess like by a percentage, the percentage might be thrown off

because there are so many misses, but also, like, you do have the opportunity to have a lot more offensive rebounds. Yeah, man, this is, this is tough. And I kind of, I don't know, I understand the flag at point guard situation right now because at the end of the day, it is like, it is just Delo playing point guard. It's not like it's Kyrie and you're forcing Kyrie to play the two. Like, Delo is very, like, he's solid and he can be, like, he's a good NBA player. after that it's like

all right like who who else is going to play it's going to play point guard and so I kind of I Oh Brandon Williams I don't I don't last they need to unchain him I don't hate it as much as maybe everybody else does Brandon Williams and Delo

So I picked this team to be the eighth seed And that was because I thought Brandon Williams and Delo would be enough ball handling To facilitate you playing a normal offense And I assume they would lean on that And allow people to be kind of in their position And just be competent until Kyrie comes back but they're not and they're they're treating de angelo russell like he's the worst player in the NBA

and i think he is the worst player in the NBA when you play him out of position and you like don't let him get into any type of flow i think he's probably a rhythm-based high volume type of point guard that if you're going to get value from him let him do some playmaking otherwise you're just if he goes out there for 10 minutes he's going to stink it up because he's out there before that sitting on his ass so i don't know i mean i do understand it too i'm not going to say it's like dumb it makes sense that if they feel like they aren't a competitive team and like need to prioritize Cooper Flag and, like, his development, I understand it. I kind of do feel like they can be a competitive team.

And you have Anthony Davis. You have to make the most of that. And maybe it's a riff between Jason Kidd and Nico. And that's, I was going to say that because from the moment, the Mavericks have postured as if this was a Nico Harrison decision. And Jason Kidd, like, did all the politicking and went out and was like, yeah, you know, we talked this and that. but like if he truly is still upset that they traded Luca and maybe he might not think that

they are competitive whereas Nico is like, yeah, we're on a three year timeline, which has already been broken by the fact that Kyrie's out. So if Nico's wrong and his timeline is broken and then Jason Kidd is over here and he has this really like weird but also interesting group of players, maybe he's like, hey, I'm just going to do what I feel is best for Cooper's development. and I see I've done it with Yannis before. I'm going to do it again here. I'm going to just rock with that.

That's probably, that makes the most sense. Yeah, then I feel like they should trade Anthony Davis. This is the case. Maybe Nico's not going to do that. If you trade Anthony Davis, you're kind of waving the white flag that I made a mistake. Yeah. Nico does not strike me as a type of that would do that. Yeah, I think you can do that as a GM for the sick of your own job.

Yeah, exactly. But if that's all true, like in general, I feel like I should probably trade Anthony Davis. Yeah. It is smart to do so. Yeah, like there's not in a place where the next, what does he have left for his prime year and a half, two years? Like, he's getting kind of old. He's not going to be a guy of the ages super gracefully in terms of creation with the ball on his hands. I think he'll probably enter a play finisher arc pretty soon. I don't really understand why they would keep him if this is the case. Yeah, the ribs are slow cooked with him. And like the meat is falling off the ball. And granted he came into the league. It came into the season out of shape. And he's like playing himself into shape. So he'll look better in January. Every year, though, it'll get a little bit less fruit to be reaped. So, yeah, obviously doesn't fit his timeline. If everybody assumed they were going to go to AD's timeline and fit Cooper into that,

playing Cooper point guard does not strike me as a decision that that's the mindset. Yeah. Yeah, and this team is definitely going to be lottery bound, I sense. But they also have Kyrie coming back, so you can't trade Anthony Davis. Cairo's 33. He's coming off of an ACO. He's not going to be Kyrie immediately. Yeah, well, he's going to be on your team, though.

Like, you have to play to a win now standard otherwise, why do you have on your team? They might not be in a win now position. Trade him, too? Kyrie comes back. It would be smart to go and do so and start off like a blistering rebuild. Once again,

you have gotten yourself into a cycle of nonsense. You should have never traded Luca in the first place. That's nonsensical. You got, you then got Cooper flagged. That shouldn't have happened.

Nonsensical. We are now... We are now here and guess what? The team doesn't work because you built this team and you constructed it to fit around a 6-9 generational point guard

and Luca Donches, like that's what it is. And you're trying to rebuild everything on the fly and try to make all these things and tell everybody all these lies about what your original plan was and what you think that the future is. You didn't like Luca and that's the fact. And now you're trying to string together

this entire story that spans a couple years. None of this makes sense. And it's never made any sense. So when Kyrie comes back, if they suck, it's not going to make sense to trade them. It's not going to make sense to expect a championship window. None of this is small. from the Mavericks at this point.

Is there any way to get Kyrie to Houston? Is there any math that makes it possible? That would be such an amazing. That would be great. That'll be insane. Can we get Anthony Davis to the Memphis Grizzlies? That'll save Jared Jackins in life. Maybe.

And that's my next team. Let's talk about the Grizzles. Okay. What did you learn about the Grizzlies through five games? Through five games. One, I've learned that such a coward, Hooper. Hooper. Two.

Swole. Swole. Yeah. Two. I wasn't familiar with the shoulder game. I'm not going to lie. it's kind of crazy um that noise you just made stop it he's one of my guys man he is one of your guys

two i have learned that they are mid and i think like i get the optimism by the way first yeah yeah i don't i don't think i like the ceiling on this team is i didn't first all i didn't think that the ceiling was particularly high with them in the first place I think it might be lower than what I thought before. Yeah, I don't really know to make them.

You know why? They're a high pick and roll team now that doesn't have any pick and roll bigs. And one thing I learned is they need Zach Edy bad and when he gets back, I think he will eat

and have a monstrous season. Obviously, you know, you drafted him and last year didn't go amazingly well because you didn't run pick and rolls for the first 60 games of the season at all.

And what is his number one strength? He sets massive screens and can roll and be a massive target. He will be a way better fit this year, I think. And I think they desperately need him or somebody that can approximate him.

I guess, And I guess, like, we've had a lot of conversations about how the Grizzlies feel about John. Like, obviously, firing Taylor Jenkins last year is a little bit of a sign of, like, hey, there was a power struggle, John Warren. Then coming into this year and seeing the way that they're playing offense, it does reaffirm, like, we believe that John Morant is the guy and we want to build around him. Because the same way that the heat went and took their offense and took the Grizzlies offense, Memphis has done a. complete 180 right last year they did not set screens at all right now they are setting the most on ball picks out of anybody in the league they're sending 30 more picks a game than they were last year yeah and so if you are really really leaning into that and saying this is how job wants to play

basketball we're going to play basketball that way i guess if you're a grisly's fan or of a or a or just like i don't know observer you do or a joffan you feel better about that because you know okay he's probably going to be here yeah watching the grisiesies so far this season And I don't know what the numbers are, but it feels like he's not getting to the rim as much as he was once Taylor Jenkins was fired. And I do feel like a jump shot, not in leap necessary, but he's falling into that a lot more. It isn't going in. The three point numbers are quite disgusting. Actually, if you look at them.

But I have questions overall when it comes to the Grizzlies. He showed like 19% from the three point line right now. And also he's taking hella middies as well. He's shooting 28% of his shots at the rim this year. last year was 33 yeah year before that 39 40 43 42 you know what that is

hit that clock I wish he had weird he's shooting straight floaters and mid-range jumpers this year yeah that's definitely how it feels he had a big game my tone would have been very different if his last game didn't happen

in his last game he walked him down the fourth quarter had a game winner and like was very very exceptional in the fourth yes but who they played who did you have to walk down and be exceptional against Phoenix Suns yeah yeah

and he was in his position to walk him down but he looked good in that fourth quarter so I gave it some grace but for the first few games I was just like I don't know what to take from this but I don't like watching job play

I don't know I still don't really like it honestly the rim volume isn't there anymore and you feel that he's not an electric high flyer anymore probably to preserve his body I guess you're dealing with those injuries

he's trying to like he's how I'm not dunking anymore yeah trying to play a long game and then reverse I know trying to play long game we've seen that we see it all the time

in the course of history with athletic point guards that come in and slasher they have to try to develop their game and you know stretch out their longevity. Darren Fox has done the same thing, but Darren Fox is a way better shooter. And like, when he's not getting to the rim and just kind of throwing up these floaters that

are contested trying to like play like Zion, but six inches shorter, it's kind of just ugly. It kind of like doesn't create a lot of advantages sometimes. And like, again, it's weird because he's not bad and he's not somebody who shouldn't be on this team or anything. Like, I don't know what the takeaway is you shouldn't play through him. But I don't like it, like aesthetically. You know, you know what the term is. I don't know. That's me. I'm telling you it's not it's not bad but it's not great it's right there in the middle they're two and two right right now they're not like they're not again awful on either either like they are mid yeah and I guess I guess he's mid in terms of mid as primary creators like a mid first option it feels like and like we didn't we didn't used to be there like he was never efficient but back when we were giving him top 10 hype in 2022 53% effective focal percentage past three years the highest guy is 51 now it's at 46 to start the year it just feels like he

I don't know like it's weird fell off like it's just not the same athletically isn't what he once was probably by choice or it just doesn't work for I mean last year he did say that he was going to stop dunking he followed up to throw up one of like

the most insane dunks of the year last year but this year maybe he's like actually dead ass about that I'm also going to stop doing layups I don't like that part that part doesn't make me happy yeah yeah don't stop finishing what if I just don't jump

I'm like if he's watching Yokin's like I can do that Yeah, and again, it's probably calculated. So it's not like, this guy doesn't have it anymore. It's probably on purpose. And if the jump shot starts going in, this conversation will change. But if the jump shot's not going in, superpowers not a superpower anymore. You better run and dunk, jaw.

Like, without that, he's just a well-rounded, like, fine starting point guard. Like, he doesn't jump out as one of the best players in the league anymore. Yeah. And in order for this team to go ahead and thrive, you need to have one of the best players in the league. Yeah. Shocker. I hope that he either gets back to form as a rim finish. sure or develops a better strength outside of that,

but I don't feel a lot of hope watching him play these days. My mind, my brain is just turned off when he comes to the Memphis Grizzies. Obviously, I'm still watching, but in terms of having real expectations or seeing them do anything of importance in the Western Conference, I'm going to wait until I have like 10 games

of Zach Ead under my belt, and then maybe we'll see like an insane, not leap from jaw, but like more progression, at least towards back to what he looked like back in the guy, pray for 2022. Last team on my list, Cleveland Cavaliers. I want to think I learned

Darius Garland is the glue They need him back desperately This offense is yucky right now Evan Mobley taking a lot of shots I love to see the aggression Shots aren't good They're not going in It's not completely sight

Donovan Mitchell basketball Has his ups and downs When he's clicking he's incredible One of the most gifted scorers When you get into a lull And the playmaking is really slowing down Donovan Mitchell will not draw it out from the dead Donovan Mitchell will play me basketball at times

As he needs to because there's no playmakers around him, they need a playmaker desperately, and they have one on the bench, and I want to see him back. There's some other stuff you learned with just the general need for more wings, I think, and just like the eyes are putting on Jalen Tyson

to see if he can be that wing to replace what they need there. We've always had that. TBD, that's still a question. They don't currently have the strengths to make up for the lack of size on the perimeter because they don't have their full assortment of star players there,

and they've played with that Garland before, and they've made you just fine. Something about it right now, though. The spacing with the double bigs and the lack of playmaking, it's not going super well. Yeah. So good about Garland.

Yeah. And I'm not making you takeaways yet just because they don't have Garland and they're going to get them. And when we see the two big and the two guards together, then we can really judge it. But at this rate, I'm not feeling super good at what the two bigs alignment.

But I think Garland can save it. That's great because Jared Allen is fucking gone because he fractured his ring finger and God knows how long he's going to be out for. So we get to see. Loki. Evan Mobley be the lead center. Loki.

That's kind of a good thing for Encore. For Evan Mobley and Donner, commercial production i think that might work better yeah maybe we'll go ahead and see so and i want to win deris so i'm going to come back because i want i definitely want to see like that trio be like going at full speed with a five-out offense or at least like let embo be the land the standalone guy and something so yeah like watching the game the loss of the bucks like the bucks play a good basketball the cats played really bad offense and like the bucks did what they need to to win the game i left out watching i left the game feeling like you know

what are the cabs doing like we yeah why are we in this rut right now where we're just not creating shots what we did last year and not finishing it like it was just straight up they're not playing good offense in a weird way

that we don't use to see from them yeah I agree with you my next team your last one I think I have two more I got two more did you have two more

yeah is that my last one did I skip that because remember you doubled up and put yeah but I got two more I might have tripled up

at some point no you talked about you can talk about the Brooklyn Nets I think he did I did it oh yeah you're right anyways my last team

the Boston Celtics. We can keep this relatively short. Jason Tatum, you are going to make NBA history with playing zero games. You are the most valuable player in the NBA. Congratulations to you. We've never seen someone put up complete zeros while still showcasing how valuable he is to his team.

We need to send the Pelicans into the sun for letting this team beat them. Dude, the Pelicans, again, I can have even a nastier dialogue about them, but we're going to save it once February or March. by. But yeah, the Boston Celtics can't do shit, bro. Shout to Derek Hart. I said Derek

Hart. Derek White. Shout out to Jaylon Brown having to bounce back game or whatever. But this team is still the same team. Identity-wise, they take the most threes in the league. They don't necessarily go ahead. They haven't fell off on any case across the board outside of their playmaking.

And at least statistically and also if you watch on the court, too, they're just a massive, like, gap there. But same team. Next team, please. Next team. The New York Knicks. I've learned that the Knicks have a long way to go to win the Eastern Conference. I thought that they were going to be a little bit further

along in their progression right now. Kind of have to reintegrate Kat into the offense because he has not looked not only like not good but he hasn't looked comfortable. Locked up by Kuzma. And that was ridiculous. Kuzma torture chamber. That was actually insanely frustrating

because I'm because I'm never mind. Locked up by Kuzma. Can we talk about Josh Hart? Knicks fans hate him. understand it's over yeah it's it's been it's been it's been bad i saw next fans talking about a couple years ago is there a sell high window here they didn't sell high it's been pretty dreadful offensively it has it has been bad and so those are the the again the two main reasons right now where i'm like we have a long way to go because offensively you have to get cat back into into a good into a good

space josh hart we have to figure out how to make him just useful again because he has not been great to start the year Mitch Robinson is just not here we'll deal with that when we when we deal with that and then also like the bench is like it's coming it's going right sometimes it's doing it's doing the things

but yabuselli real quick can we talk about we have a new Donovan doppelganger and especially because you're wearing that hat oh what see you told me earlier that you're happy I wore the hat I was set up I didn't tell you to do that

But I'm not gonna lie I was thinking this beforehand And I was like I've seen you in a hat before That's kind of crazy He's a black beard hat You guys have similar mouths You see similar nose too Yeah like the lower half of their face

Kind of similar Like if I was I mean Did look like brothers Which has like bigger cheeks But yeah Yeah of course It's a straight pro bottle

I don't think it is I think this one's actually kind of like I glanced at this and I said whoa We're back at the Wincom when it goes to Donovan. Yeah, because I found it's not chat. Yeah. I saw this on my TikTok feed and I was like, holy shit, man.

Is that a deep fake? Deep fake. Like a deep swooned on my timeline? Anyway, anyways. But yeah, so the next, they are a little bit further or yeah, they have worked. I will say, though, I've really been encouraged by Jaylon Brunson's new offense. He's zipping around these screens, getting these off ball buckets.

It's been fun. And I think people had a question of like, Jalen Brunson basketball is so heliocentric. Can we do it in this other way? way like he didn't play with Luca Donchish and play off ball all the time. He's blended in perfectly. Like, not just perfectly like in the way he can do it. It looks like a strength. He's very good off the ball.

He's good. Mikhail's been good this year. I've really enjoyed watching both of them play. OG in certain spots has been awesome. It really is just those other two guys and trying to figure all that stuff out. So that's with the Knicks. Then my last team, the Philadelphia is 76ers. And I have learned that Tyrese and Vijayette Edgecombe are the future.

They are the new combination. of Sunshine in Philadelphia, in South Jersey for all of those people, they are amazing. And Tyrese has taken the leap. I think we should nickname this trio of Tyrese, VJ. Edgecombe, and Jared McCain. Okay. What should we name it? It is definitely Sunshine. They are smiley.

They are most positive vibes. I'm trying to think of a name with those few things. I'm thinking like Power Pop Girls, like Sugar, Spice, and everything nice, something like that. Like, they are so positive and so fun to watch and enjoyable. You just have to call them like the sunshines. The wiggles. Yeah, they would just be like the sunshines and it would just be like this old soul group

from Philadelphia. Like that's what they would be. But Tyrese, literally. First of all, Tyrese is playing crazy minutes right now. He's playing like 43 minutes a night. Damn.

But he's averaging 37 a night. He's shooting 47% from, from three. Vijay Edgecombe has come in and the shooting has looked good. And what I like the most about what Edgecombe has done this year is that he's done a little bit of everything, right? Because, like, night one, he goes crazy, drops 34, has a very all-around game. There's another game right after that where he didn't, I don't think he scored 20, but he still

had mad assist. And he's just everywhere. He's able to impact the game in so many ways. And he is very versatile offensively that playing him with either Maxie or playing him with McCain whenever he comes back, your back court is set for the next, you know, five to six years. You got to find a big, you got to find a wing. and once you find that, then you're good. Hey, we've got Bono.

That man can move. He's athletic. Yeah. Listen, close out the Wizards game. Yeah. Great. He swatched too many shots into the stands because he wants to have some aura farming. And guess what?

Go ahead and do it, man. He deserves it. Create the transition opportunity. Stop swat that shit out of bounds. Go ahead and do it. Let your guy get the ball. See, that right there. That's that nerdy stuff.

Yeah. We need to stop aura farming. We need to farm points per possession. No. Listen, as long as you block the shot, you're good with me. Farm transition efficiency, not ora. Oh my goodness. This is how we lose recipes.

That's how we get good at basketball. How about that? Also, Tyrese maxis made a huge leap as a ball handler. Yeah. His driving, his pace and like just general feel for pick and roll defenses and how to manipulate it, he's made that like veteran IQ leap where he's not just real fast running by you. Like he truly is a pick and roll artist now. Yeah.

I don't know where to rank him as a point guard in the NBA right now. But for sure, he's definitely like in, I'm not going to say tier one because that's Luke and Steph, but whoever else is after that, he's firmly in that team. Yeah, he's above Tray Young. End of thought. Why? No, but for a real, I think he's better than Tray Young. It's just crazy.

Like, he's made such a league. My next team. Year after year after year. The Chicago Bulls. Oh, okay. Oh, shout to them. The one thing that I learned, and it's just further more confirming what I have thought. Modest Buzellas is going to be an all-star in this league.

Your team is 4-0 or 3-0 or some like that. Congratulations to you. this is not real basketball. I think the devil is on the bull's side over the last six months. Last year they made that second half of the year push in March whenever Giddy was shooting 40% from three

and like three other guys on the team were that were shooting crazy from three and like making this little play and push because of it. This year they have the inverse. Teams are shooting 25% from three against them right now. Shooting luck and I love to see it.

How do we have this happen two parts of the year in a row? They have some wizardry on their side. Now I expect that wizardry to wane away slowly. but with that being said you guys are still the bulls nothing really changed you are the same

but modest as others continues to just stack glaring moments of like oh yeah this dude is destined to be an all star one day I agree and that shot at Billy Donovan the system they play with is good like their pace and space type of basketball with all these ball handlers is like a good basketball

it's a good system they look like a well coached college team but they're just like not good enough for it to really matter ultimately and defensively I think the three points you don't come around and they'll be bad defensively again. So, like, they'll be the 8th we always thought they'd be, right? I don't really feel any different about them.

But I do wish Billy Donovan has some good players because I'm encouraged by him as a coach. Same, man, same. And like, yeah, Josh Gideon and Boozellis fit that really well. I wish they had like a star power forward or something. And that's on the loo.

That's on, come up. And that's where Patrick Williams comes. And listen, if he's playing like he has the first few games, then that question will be answered. But I know your game, Patrick Williams. I will not be fooled by anything Bulls-related.

You guys need to give me 35 games of sample size before I believe a single thing. aside of Modis Bezellis, I will allow myself to believe anything and everything relating to positivity with Modis Buzellis. Hell yeah. I want to be logical. R&B. Fuck it. Let's do it.

Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not him? Never mind. It's too much. Why not us? Too much, too much.

That is my last team. That is all 30 teams, two hours of Yapin. One thing we learned about every single team thus far, the season through one week. Last year we did this, a lot of shit changed by week three. see how this feels two weeks from now, but I don't know, it doesn't feel like the most fake first week. I feel like a lot of these takeaways are probably going to be pretty good over the course of year. That's how it always feels. Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how the Milwaukee books. Multiple sizes the motherfucker. Yes, exactly.

But I'm looking forward to see how the Milwaukee Bucks trend if they're going to continue just like not necessarily trend upward, but remain somewhat stagnant. I hope that's real. That's the one that obviously could be fake. I hope that's real. Yeah, I hope that's real. I hope the Orlando Magic and the Pistons in a slump is real. Pizzes not necessarily a slump, but I hope it's real for the sake of my own greed and what I want to have been in my own NBA, fairy tale of a mindset for my Atlanta Hawks. Do the word early too. Mo, what time is it?

Attention! Eaters to arise! Put! That's where all you got home. like physically stand up I know you I know you laying down stand up I know you at work right now in your cubicle stand up we rise and we march to tic-tok time Halloween edition ooh audio listeners I'm in your mind we're on to TikTok time let's have some fun before we go on don't forget Donovan looks like Mitchell Robinson it's on the screen again

we will not let you forget. On to TikTok time. There's racist. Racism. Racism. Welcome to TikTok time. Today we are once again going to begin with the draft, but we're going to do it a little bit differently.

We are going to build the best NBA players possible, like we've done before, drafting these individual skill sets. But, well, why is all just discolored? See what's up with that. But instead of us being able to pick our players and do it like we normally do, there's going to be a slight twist. Okay.

We have to draw players out of this box. And whoever you draw, you've got to pick a trait from them. Yeah. Okay. So this is, again, just straight up luck. Now, I will say, this isn't nothing new. We actually did this if you've been tuned in on our second channel, on our second show, Housecall.

And I don't remember how it panned out. panned out. I remember I think I had a combination of Aaron Rogers and Payne Manning and then I had... I mean, I ended of winning. Did you? Yes, I did. I don't know. But again, this is nothing new. Okay. So wait, let me see the box real quick. Oh, wait. For what?

Yeah, for what you want to do? My name's up first. I was out the first pick. Oh, okay. That's all. I actually didn't move it from last time, but fuck it, you know the first pick. What does it matter? Okay. Go ahead. Go for it. You're handing this box. Dumbo's. Okay. Well, because you weren't supposed to have the first pick, but it's fine. Yeah. Doesn't matter. All right. With the first pick.

I'm sorry. Donovan Smoot selects. Bradley Biel. Oh, okay. So what do you want to go with Bradley Biel? Interesting. You know what? We'll just go body right now for Bradley Biel.

Just a regular shooting guard. Okay. Okay. You know, nothing crazy. There's, okay. Could probably go shooting, but we'll bring us on getting somebody good. not a player I think it's like

bored to me you don't wait too much you don't got to do so hidden you can look that's fine who's this Charles Barclay

okay give me Charles Barkley finishing my name is second but whatever let's move it you can go second

oh shit it doesn't matter it's a blind draft I don't care okay so Charles Berkeley finishing that's a pretty elite strength

to start with yeah okay way better than damn Bradley Bill body you guys body are you're injury prone oh you are injury pro

you're soft What would you have gone? Shooting? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I would have a body, too. Yeah, I would have shooting. You were kind of stuck without any good options.

I have. Victor Web and Yama. What the fuck? Do I go his defense or body? I'll go to big body. I got to go with the body. I got to be ginormous. What the hell are we...

All right. You got the best body in NBA history. I got the same box, y'all guys. Next up. Oh, I'm sick to my heart. Magic Johnson. What the fuck? This is not fair.

Give me Magic Johnson passing. No, we have to file offense, 20 yards. This cannot happen. Mind you, he got a Hall of Fame as well. Donovan's only one that got screwed. This is rigged. And I don't know how. It's kind of funny that Donovan didn't get a great player.

There's a lot of great players in here. Okay. I got Ben Simmons There's some good strength there That's not a bad pick Give me his passing Yeah there's some there's some traits there Okay

That is not bad He can pass way better than Charles Okay Anthony Edwards Okay We would take Anthony Edwards See this is tough Low key

You could do it Low key You can go a couple ways Yeah Low key Let's go shooting Yeah I think I might be his best strength

Let's go shooting Okay yeah because i mean the dunks are the dunks but the shooting is lethal there's more dunkers than there is that good of shooters yeah oh oh i hope they saw it on camera you have michael jordan and kairri your hand you drop jordan oh man it's okay i'll take karee finishing okay okay that's not bad that's not bad at all you're brindling it he dropped jordan thank god

Okay My pick I have Oh shit Ben Wallace I got Ben Wallace Defense double Ben Let's do it

You better hope you get a big body Because if you're 6-2 With Ben Wallace defense It's a little awkward That's Pat Beav Yeah man Okay Bill Russell

Oh can you Bill Russell Oh fuck What if Bill Russell was huge Then what I guess she just got Wemby another flag It's just fucking crazy It's just the reality

We live in Mind you He's also getting Great players Fucking bullshit Karina dojabar This is that Chauncey billups

I got I got cameras I got x-ray stuff Give me Another flag on the play Give me Karim finishing I got the sky hook He got

He literally got The most alien body And then three of the top Seven players Of all time And they're all kind of the goat at the skill I got it in.

Nobody's ever finished like career. No he's ever passed like magic. The ways ever played defense like Bill? Who's this? Oh. Just one of the greatest players of all time. Hey, Mike. Okay.

Finishing. Give me Michael Jordan. Where did this third flag come from? What the hell? I don't realize I got to hear me. You're on the fucking line, buddy. How many flags you got? Unlimited.

Draw another good player. I dare you. Next time it's an axe. Paul George Okay, that's not bad Okay, that's not bad Man, I'm sick of this You got Bill and Paul George

I'm done with this Where's the good point? I'm taking LeBron Passing. I'm taking LeBron passion Who else is in here? Who else is in here? No, what are you doing?

Yeah, I'm doing that I'm taking LeBron Passing. Put him down. Put him down. I'm sick of this. Would you let me intervene? No. You know, he can have it

He's still the worst player. I'm taking LeBron passing. He can cheat. He can still win and still lose. Caruso body. I told you with Ben Wallace defense. Ooh. Your player makes no sense.

No, it's okay. Caruso body's not terrible, but damn, man. You're small with the shot block. I was so close. I was so close. A blue flag. I was so close. I got shooting.

Who am I going to get? If I get a non-shooter, that'd be tough because otherwise I got the goat so far. I'm bringing out a knife. Anthony Davis. Listen, bubble AD shooting Okay Hell no I'm shooting

20% of a three point line This year I think about the old days They exist for me I got the old days AD Dude you got the greatest big men Some of the greatest big men

Of all time What the fuck If you got magic Just Listen man Winners win I don't know what to say Some people just got the touch

You said This man We got the same box here Some bullshit I'm not good lot The fact that y'all got some non-Hull-of-Famers is hilarious. Fuck this game, man. Caruso Body is hilarious.

Caruso Body. I got the worst. Caruso Body or Brad Beal Body? Y'all got bullshit. What the fuck, man? You got fucked. You didn't have to pick Bill Body. You could have Ant Body with Bill shooting.

Is that better? I guess. Not really? Slightly, I suppose. I don't know. Okay, y'all let us know who won. I don't know. It's up in the air.

Oh, my God. I actually really like my player if it wasn't for Bill Body. Well, yeah, because you cheated. I would like it, too, if I got the handpick, LeBron James. Yeah. Hey, man, do what you got to do. Speaking of, dude, you got to do, don't forget. See, that's wrong.

That's not right. But it's not wrong. Back and forth. Damn. He might be correct. He might be correct. I'm taking this to HR. Today.

Are we sure? I'm not HR? You will be in a Zoom meeting at 3 o'clock today. Trust and believe. Next thing we're going to do. Y'all, it is that time of year. We are here today to react to the 2025-26 NBA City jerseys. Over the next two weeks, we will grade every single one.

Today we're doing all 15 in the West. Next week, all 15 in the East. Should be good. We had a lot of reruns this year, a lot of renders. of old ones, some new ones to mix in, should be interesting. First off, the OKC Thunder. I'm rocking with these. The Navy Blue version of one they've had before, but it was lighter. I liked it. I liked it when they were baby blue, and I liked it now. I liked it now. I like it now. I like these a lot. Is this an A? For me personally, I believe so.

I'll give it a cool beat. I think it's solid. I think the text looks really good on court. It looks better on a person than it does, just like, by itself. I think I'm going to give this a solid like C plus, maybe B minus. It feels like this is just put together. It doesn't feel super cohesive necessarily. But it's not terrible. It's better than some of the past ones are seen league-wide.

I like it. They did the Native American design, the homage to the Oklahoma City community. I like it. I think they've done a better job than some other Native American-inspired ones did. I like the color scheme. I like the orange accents.

I like the text. B. But it's not one of the best, right? We're not going to go A. We're not going to shoot a load too fast, giving out too many compliments. Yeah. Very solid, though.

Is it better than the baby blue? See, I don't know. I know a lot of people didn't like the baby blue. I also, again, was a big fan of that. It grew on me over time. Yeah. So probably not.

Because I, baby blue and like light blue, sky blue, all that, all those blues. Top two. It's very hard to outdo a light blue. Okay. Next up. Los Angeles Clippers. A plus.

This is amazing. What? Plus. Maybe it's just this specific picture. It sucks. It's infrared. It's like this bright orange, like scarlet color.

I don't like that at all. Sucks? Yeah, this is not good. The text is mediocre. The color's okay. The panels don't look great. Why the fuck?

What is me a plus? And this is the stuff I'm talking about. The jersey's wrinkled. Okay, well, I don't know if that's exactly. Even the clippers. Even the clippers can't have a good maca.

Get an iron. Get a steamer. Make your stuff. Make your stuff. Make yourself crispy. Start your jersey's wrinkles. I don't like you. Already you get off on the wrong.

This is very C. I think is that the text paying another public transit homage there? It's fine. LA public transit sucks as it. It does. It's horrible. I live there. I rarely use it.

It was terrible. There's no trains. The buses are slow. Take forever. Going from West Hollywood to downtown takes like an hour on public transit. Hell not. F. F is a drag.

You're paying homage to the worst element of Los Angeles. F is a drag. There's no way this can be the worst. one that we've seen so far. It can't be the worst one that we've seen so far. We've only seen two. It's enough. Doughty.

It's not taken away the transit joke. It's not even good. Like, it's fine. It's plain. The Texas is just kind of there. It's not a great design. I love this. I'm not going to say this is one of my favorite city jerseys, but the infrared.

You might be one of your favorites. Maybe. Right now, compared to OKC's, this is an A plus right now. Maybe you can convince me. We'll see. Now, this is mid as fuck. I think. I'll go see.

Memphis Grizzlies all white another rendition of a different one different colors I think I would like it without the without the vertical stripes the panel on the side yeah no no no I like the panel on the side the individual like oh the pinstripes yeah I kind of like that looks like soccer jersey a little bit it makes it a little bit too busy I think without it would probably be better but it's a nice touch I like the creativity this is a hey it's not bad at all I like it too I like the the lowercase text on Memphis it's unique yeah you really don't see that you never see that ever it's like it's like Like it's like, you know, Gen Z teenagers type with no capitals.

It's like the like two years ago when they, the Atlanta Hawks did it with just a, they allowed ATL. Not cursive, but it was like that script. Yeah. Yeah. It was nice. I'll get this a solid B plus. I fuck with the collar. I fuck with the stripes.

I like the unique text. Shout out the panel stuff on the sides. B plus. I'm not a huge fan of the pinstripes, but this jersey is still hard. I'm going a minus on this. And the numbers with that line in between is always cool when the grisies do it. That's good. Yeah.

So good details. Utah Jazz. Changing the gradient from. Sun-colored, two, I don't know, rock-colored. Ew. First miss. Ew. First miss.

They can never put everything together. For a team that just got their swagging their aura back by switching to like their throwbacks, you didn't have to come out with this. And like, I do understand you're mixing a lot of different errors, right? You have your Donovan Mitchell era with this like gradient style. And then you have the colors from like the Darren William, Carlos Boozer days. However, this just doesn't work. It maybe looks better on court.

but in these pictures right now, I'm giving it a C-minus. And might look cool with a court that has baby blue because baby blue on basketball courts always looks cool. So bringing the whole presentation it might look cool. But this is bland, man.

I'm gonna C-minus. This is kind of boring. This looks like I work an office job. Yeah, this has nothing. I don't know how this represents Utah necessarily just yet. But regardless of how it does, you shouldn't have done this.

You have strong colors. Why not lean into like one of those main colors? Again, this looks like a jersey for a rec league. That is at your workplace. and you work at an insurance company. Yeah, just the guy's hooping after work. Yeah.

Listen, State Farm Hoops is real. Yeah, that's real hoops. Yeah, this is what they were. We're like a low-tier tech company. And the gradient doesn't even look that strong. It looks like you work for AOL. It looks like they skipped a couple of base colors. Well, I don't know, maybe.

A-O-Hell. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, it's just going. It probably looks okay on core, but this is boring. I'm going to go D. But Sacramento Kings. Hard. hard this is probably their best jersey it's just a king's jersey it is i don't know what the city

element is but it looks good they're like purple's cool dude this feels mystical i don't know why have zero glue because they made everything like shine and pop if the panels actually glowed maybe but i know that this is just this is just marketing this is just photography this is just editing so i'm not going to so i'm not going to give it the full a that it that it probably would be because again if they if the jersey glowed on court that would be very cool But I'm giving B plus to this. I love that high tone purple. Of course you do.

Yeah. It's damn near. I love the high tone purple. It's damn near pink. I love how they have like the blocks of white on the side alongside the black stripes is what. It's beautiful to me. This is A plus. This is my favorite.

Anything purple. Of course, you give an A plus. I'll give B. It just looks like a regular King's jersey. It doesn't feel like city or special in any way. If you told me this is their new base jersey, I completely believe you. So it's not like spectacular, but it's not ugly. So B.

I fuck with it I fuck with it heavy That light purple Should be one of their colors That looks better than the royal purple They got these days Or I've always had We're moving

Lakers Bring back an old one Why do we bring this back I think LeBron loves black jerseys Everywhere he goes They have black jerseys And that's like a thing That they always like make a point of

And you can do that But you can make it better than this You can learn from your mistakes And learn from the outrage That people showed The last time that you had these jerseys And once again we can We can do better

The end is still weird The end is still weird The angling of the Angeles Doesn't fit as well as it did with the other city Still mid I'm still going like C plus This was like you just had like A can of soup

Of alphabet soup We just started it up Right like this is actually nasty Yeah it looks very random The placement does not lend itself well at all To being a triangle I'm going with the D This is one of the

I do not like these End of the day it is a black jersey And it has a high floor So I'll still go like C minus But it's not good I think C minus is probably right But it just makes my I feel like when I look at this

My brain is scrambled And it is kind of cool to do the LA night's color scheme with the old Minneapolis, like, text style. Like, that's a cool idea. I don't think it works super well. And so you just have the end poking out. I know. Just like, why is the end poking out like that?

It's mad close to your collar. Yeah. You can't breathe. Yeah, I don't like. There's no spacing. You get choked out by the end. Yeah. Fucking strangling you.

Here's the tattoos. People have a hand. Oh, yeah. Up on the neck. Lame as fuck. That's what this feels. Dallas Mavericks, doing a different color inverse of when they had.

white and gold. This is nice. This is fucking hard. This is not nice at all. This is the most generic created jersey I've ever seen. That font is still bad. It looked like Lord of the Rings

and it was gold. It just looks generic now. But the colors are much better. That's what it is. That's what moves me. I guess. Are they? The gray lining on the collar

is kind of bland. It's fine. Whoa, man. Listen, once again, the Mavericks are missing on City Jersey. What's new? It's a yearly tradition

that their city jersey suck. They had them good for the past two years, went back to their old cells. doing this stupid font i'm going i'm going deep mind to see you do i agree with the font absolutely not but i see slow and steady growth so i'm grading on a curve this is literally regression last year they had the beautiful white ones you're poor that they were black this is literally regression last year they were amazing the white ones they had this is the fattest downgrade maybe i don't

remember the white ones but i will say this deserves bare minimum like a c plus you're glazing everything today this is an a fuck that i'm not man you're glazing everything Throw the flag on you positivity maxing For what? Throw the flag on yourself pandering. He's terrible.

The Denver Nuggets. He is pandering hard. The Denver Nuggets. This is great again. Bring him back a classic. Is this a classic? I feel like this, we can call it that. No.

No. It's a modern classic. We, first of all, we can have an entire other three-hour discussion. On what a classic is? We call it. Who is more classics? The Nuggets are drinking.

God damn. It might be the Nuggets. but this is this is not a classic I think this is iconic already I love it I'm glad they brought it back I think another deep run everything is iconic generational once of a lifetime

The rainbow jerseys are iconic for the Nuggets and this is the modern version It's beautiful A plus This is awesome It's a nice jersey I am going to give it an A I draw the line at classic It's classic in the modern era

Yeah I'm saying It's a modern classic Obviously it's new Nothing's a classic in the moment Yeah, that's not true There's instant classics Okay, sir I feel like time has to go by

In order for you to like call it a classic No, there's stuff that like There's jerseys that happen where we see it and it's like Okay, yeah like that's that's one of those jerse All right now they hear no there This is an A plus Anyways That's New Orleans Pelicans

Isn't this the same thing They're bringing this back from two years ago Last year's a little different Until everything about that organization changes I'm giving you an F This jersey's too nice for me to give it enough But you like 74% shooting aloud at the rim.

This is an ass. If it's associated with the Willie Green lead pelicans, F. Exactly. Sorry, that's how it goes. Very nice jersey. Glad they brought it back. Cool. It's the best one they've ever had.

So the guy bringing it back is usually they got awful. It's just their one hit amongst a sea of misses. So I see why they ran it back so soon. F though. Wait, the only one? You didn't like the, like, the Nola ones? When they had like the white, green and purple? No, not particularly.

That's fine. It was fine. It was just cool. But, like, I see what I like those. No, I mean, it was cool. But it wasn't one I was going to point to as being a great one. They were very solid. They were very solid.

This is the only one I think is like, objectively great, you know? Oh, I don't think this is great. This is the one that looked really good on court. Kind of grew in everybody's year or went on. When it revealed it, we were laughing at it. But seeing it on the court, it looked pretty good. Remember singing at in season tournament with the bright courts below? It looked hard.

Maybe. Next up. The Rockets running it back right away with H-town. I love these. And I think that the next time that the rockets go to a rebunt you turn that H town into Houston and you make this the primary jersey Keep it forever

I like this a lot The astronaut the dunstronaut Shep's kiss Yeah that's a rare like You don't see mascots Or like character in jerse these days Like that stands out so much It's just like being unique

And not just like lines And just like fucking stripes on the side This is probably the best one Today that we've seen so far I could see I could literally wear this jersey And it will elevate my outfit But you can wear this jersey anywhere, bro, genuinely.

And I think this is... Do you wearing this to the club? I could. I could get this off. What do you put this on with? I'm wearing it as is. No draws. Bear.

You're going Jeff Teethanode? Yeah, Jeff Teague mode. No pants? Tim's, this jersey. We out. Maybe you do ready to lay the waves down, but I said, we are out. Sounds like an A plus then. You can pull it off with no undies.

Next up, the Phoenix Suns. Didn't they want to go to the finals with this? Yep, they've had this many times. They continue to bring it back. And it's a good decision. It's a great one. This is a good jersey. Donovan is this is a classic?

This is classic. I'm a slap you out. Of the Phoenix Suns. They went this class because they went to the finals with this jersey, bro. This Loki might deserve it for that reason. This one actually might be a Phoenix Suns classic. Yeah. Had one of the best seasons in their team history.

And you think of Modern Phoenix? Do they rock with this? Like, I don't know how Suns fans rock. Yeah, they brought it back on. three times. I think they love it. They're trying to bring this. They bring this back to remind them of the good times, the good memories that they had. I picture Chris Paul and DeAndre Ayn Lobs when I see this. I picture

Macau Bridges and DeAndre Ane 5 in the young boy. You know what gets me? I actually do like this jersey. It's just the valley. I would much rather just say Phoenix or like the Suns or something like that. But it's a city jersey. Keep that mind. They got to do something unique to play. I understand that. But I just don't like it. I don't like

you don't like the valley. You don't fuck with the people from you don't respect phoenix culture not particularly not the strongest culture in the united states uh a plus you know this is like this is a modern classic this is their best jersey they've had of the 20th 21st century probably a plus that's twice what is that we've used classic to describe somebody this is literally well when they probably run back the hits there's going to be some classics in there that's the whole point of a lot of these teams not man honestly we've been saved for years We've been saying for years that the worst part of city movies is that they let classics die.

I'm glad they're bringing them back now. Thank God these things have more than one year. Spurs. Classic. Hey, man. This is the dumpster day. This is right before they were gifted. Victor Wimbiñama.

So in my mind, you have to call that Jersey classic. All right, man. Okay, okay. Very, very good jersey. Very, very good jersey. up until this point, probably the best one. Yeah.

I'm going to A plus. They're running back the best one they've had of the City Jersey collection. Yeah. When I see this, I don't know why. I just envision Derek White and his like hair

flying back. Why is it being a demon truce? Ah, he remembers the Derek White Hair days, nostalgia. The classic days. A plus. Another great one. Is the San Antonio different on top?

No. Feels different. It's the exact same. Yeah. They brought it back for reason. It's amazing. A plus. And is that the last one?

No, I'm in another right tab. Next one. Trailblazers, bringing back to airport PDX teal. You see Derek White. I see Carmelo Anthony. Oh, his spinal legs. I'm not doing this, so. I didn't love it in the moment.

And it grew on people. They like the teal. I still don't love it. I'll still give it a B. Is PDX their airport? It is. It's their airport code. And the pattern down the middle is the airport rug they have throughout,

airport carpet throughout the whole place. That's the best that you got, just showing respect to your airport. And it is. That's a cool city edition little flare. They don't think it looks that great though, I'm going to be. Maybe I'm just expecting Portland in there. I don't think he did, but I let you rock. I don't think he did either. I don't think he did either. This is a Damien Lillard year. You just see the zero and you're like

Ah, mellow. That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As I said, I don't I was like, maybe I missed remember. Yeah, I can't remember. Nope, nope. This is Dame. I think this is just a solid D. It's not terrible, but it's just like Blaine. Damn. D. C plus. Yeah, C's probably right.

Minnesota Timberwolves. bringing back to Prince jerseys from the first couple of years. I still have no idea how I feel about these. Really? I got ideas for you. These are amazing. I got many ideas.

Love is the first one. Glaze is the second one. Admiration is a third one. Appreciation is the fourth one. This is one of my favorite jerseys. Oh my goodness. This jersey right here, I love the font.

Even look at the, oh shit, I think I just noticed a new detail. it looks like a wolf was kind of like incarnate into it at least the bottom half That's like the Prince logo Dude that's fucking hard Yeah it's not a wolf

Yeah that's paying homage to Prince We got rhinestones on the shoulder This is awesome paying Paying homage to a Minnesota legend 10 at an A plus plus plus plus Plus the fact that you even thought about Not liking it I think we need to stone you Flag

A plus Yeah it's taking me multiple years still have no thoughts or still trying to decipher through my thoughts okay the only thing that i have the only question i have about this is that jersey actually is it black or is a navy blue it's purple no the base of it it's like a dark purple isn't it i don't know that's kind of maybe it's a deep deep purple it's i thought it was like a deep deep purple maybe it's like a deep navy blue it's like a black yeah okay it's like a blueish purple hue to a black who golden state warriors with the new color of the town who the maroon is getting it's

into you. I sense it. It's like brown. Is it brown or brown? Yeah, it's brown. I'm maroon. Look at the right one. A brown yellow version of the town. This is conifier. I love earth tones. We got this little cream base with a brown on the sides. I think this is an A plus.

Scott loves cream. I love cream so much. Give me all the cream. This is amazing. Yeah, we'll go we'll go A plus here. Put this. This is, this is, this is great. And this is

out of the, out of the ones that they've had is very refreshing to see this. because I still in my mind can not get over that stupid flower one that they had years ago This is what the city journey They've been running variations of black ones for so long That was so sick of seeing it This looks like it was designed to be in my closet A plus

I'm not gonna lie When you said you love cream Me personally I am a cream Socialist You're not for creams No dude trust me Let's go cream for cream right now Twins

Who got more You're not cream more than me I'm sorry I'm sorry What? Cream bros? Hey, we can be that, but I'm going to be the big bro. I'm the lead creamer. I don't know.

I think they used to call me Commander and Cream back in the day. Who? The streets. They don't know. Cap. A plus. I'm a creamologist.

That's what they call me. Ask the streets. A plus. The streets. And that's the last one. That's every single team in the Western Conference. Next week will be back to give you guys every team in the Eastern Conference.

If you're still here watching us club, let me know who's bigger Creamer. Creamologist is crazy. by the way. Commander and Cream, what do you mean? That's what I do. Next thing we are going to do, I'm going to name an NBA player. You tell me if there's a chance that they can become their team's greatest player

of all time. Talk to me. So by the time their career set and done, will they be remembered as the best player to ever wear this team's jersey? First off, we got Victor Wenbanyama. Of course. And obviously, it's a high bar because Tim Duncan, at least for me, Tim Duncan is the fourth best player of all time.

Certainly top ten for everybody. However, we're talking about Wembe having the potential to be the greatest player to ever play basketball. So obviously, if he could be the goat of basketball, he could be the goat of the spurs. It's a high, high bar. But you are watching what I'm watching every single night. This is different. So by that math, you're telling me that Wembe has to be, like, in bare minimum, like the third best player of all time. Yes. And if you're going to do that, he needs to win at least like four MVP. He needs to go ahead and win a couple of championships. Because I thought about it a lot. Tell me your thoughts. I need four DPOIs. Okay. Fair. Locked in. Minimumumum. Three M. M. M.

MVP's fair I feel like we can do that minimum four chips pretty tough in the modern era but maybe

nothing's impossible for the young goat now if he were to get four chips in the modern era knowing how hard it is that would

once you start you know adjusted for inflation and all that you might get that might be like seven chips in 1985

standards he needs four chips what would I say four chips three MVP's four deep pill wires I think he needs like at least

five MVP's And I think you do that. I calm down. Give me five MbPs and you got it. What the fuck? We're throwing crazy numbers. 26 championships actually victory. I mean, listen.

Only the tip top guys have four and five. Five is inters. Yeah. Mike has five. Kareem has six. Hey, man. You want to beat the goat. It's a high standard.

Not everybody can do it. In order to beat a goat, you got to beat the goat. Exactly. Man. Next up. Palo Bancaro. Yes. Keep in mind the magic's bar for goat is pretty goddamn.

low it's a couple of years of shack yeah or one final ship for dwight howard now here's what paula has to do we're just going to lay out the case for everything okay palo two finals appearances okay shack has one i'm not betting on that but it's possible two finals appearances 12 000 points okay and let me get six years of all mba play and he's the Goat? Listen, the bar is low for the magic. Of all time. I'm not going to lie.

Mind you, six years of all of our NBA play and two final strips. That's basically Jimmy Butler in a Hall of Fame career. That's damn good for him and for the magic. Yeah. I'm not, I'm going to say no. I don't really see him passing with Dwight Howard personally. It's not impossible. But I don't think we've seen anything to say he's on trajectory of passing with Dwight Howard.

Yeah. I think he's going to be the goat of like ore farming for this team for sure. I think he's going to have like the coolest plays of all time. I don't even know if I can say that because Jack is fucking crazy. Jack has a cool place. Shag broke a room. Yeah. I don't think the goat of their franchise when it comes to surpassing Shack is here yet.

Yeah, I don't see that in the cards. So he has to pass Franz first. Oh, oh, that's not. Oklahoma City Thunder. Shea Gildes Alexander. He's already the goat. I hate to say it. I love to say it.

Shit was open last year. The book closed when he won the championship. Getting MVP, finals MVP in a championship all in one year for a team. You're damn right. You're the goat, especially a team with this young. history. I'm sorry Russell Westbrook. Shea is the best player to ever wear the jersey. Last year, I remember like 13 months ago or so, we were not ready to say it. We said, yo, like, we understand. Even when it comes to basketball wise, he is like a better player.

The comments ate me alive. You were too soon. We just wanted to see it done and we saw I saw the vision. I knew they were going to win the championship. All right, all right. Maybe you are the commander of all creams. Maybe you are the creamiest of the cream. That's actually that was insane. That's actually. Was it? You're moving it to you right now. Ah, it's all over. But, yeah, it was clear he was on trajectory. Last year he finalized it, this is the Thunder goat.

Yeah. I don't even think he's really an argument. Yeah, no, it's, he has the points. He has the MVP. He has the lone standing championship. The MVP. Yeah. Yeah, he's met the standard that everybody else set and passed it.

He got it done. Lakers, Luca Donchich. No. What would Luke had to do to be the Lakers goat? Again, like he has to win. Three chips, minimum. At least. Yeah, at least three chips.

And if you think about who's going against, he's going to get to guys people to have five chips. He has to have like three straight MVPs in a dominant fashion. Oh, yeah, he can't do it. Exactly. Five chips. Yeah. He has to.

But adjust for inflation. Three chips today is like six back then. So three chips. No, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. They've had, they've had people across eras have five chips. Okay. It's a three P and in that three P,

get three MVPs. So three straight years of a MVP and champion. Just the greatest. three years of all time, then maybe we can have a conversation. Yeah, it is not happening. I don't think we can ever have that conversation. If you break NBA history in multiple ways, then we can talk. Yeah, sorry. John Morant for the Grizzlies. Who's the greatest player in Grizzies history? Markisle. Markisle. Zibo? You're already the greatest player in NBA history for the scene. Don't do that. Or Grizzlies history. I think he is. I think he is.

You might be on the path. No, no, no. I don't know. Who's more likely. Jaron Jackson Jr. at John Morant. Alpins Sloan, Cedric coward who will have a better that's kidding. Zach Eaddy, what are you prepared

to do about it? I don't know. A few years ago, I would have said for sure John Morant was going to be the Grizzies' goat. Yeah. I don't feel like

it's trending in the right direction right now. I do kind of feel like Jaron Jackson might be on this team longer. Jared Jackson might be a 10 year of Grizzies' lifer. I don't feel the way

about John Moran. And that by just like just might stamp him as the goat. I don't know. He's not going to be. Jared Jackson is not going to be the grisies. I love Zach Randolph.

It is not hard for an answer to pass that ground off as a team goat. Like, if he's there for 12 years, it could happen. Understand Zach Randolph plays a brand of basketball that's very endearing. People yearn for the style of basketball that Zach Randolph plays because nobody plays like that anymore. This man is 7, 73 and gets two rebounds a game. You're such an old man. People do not like that. You do not like that.

Do you like that? I don't dislike him. No, no, no. I didn't say him, that. Do I specifically like less rebounds? No. Okay. Two persons, people, plural, people don't like that.

Okay. That is what I'm saying. Okay. I don't think John Morant. I'm going to bet that John Morant doesn't become the greatest grizzly of all time. I'm going to probably trailblazer in two years. I think a couple years ago. I'm going to go there.

Trailblazer in two years. That's crazy. I think a couple years ago, two years ago, if you ask me this, I'm going to be like, yes, he's clearly in the trajectory to be like an all NBA, consistent, worthy player there. Someone was going to be. and MVP talks he's very far from that yeah no i don't see it anthony edwards for the t wolves hell yeah three straight conference are two straight conference finals what does he have to do to pass

kevin garnett who obviously couldn't accomplish a whole lot because he had terrible teams there i think he just simply just has to make the finals and if you could rack in like one MVP you're stamped i can't i mean it's probably like that he gets an MVP in a chip at some point at this caliber player most these caliber players win at some point yes but it's also but will he win with the timber wolves That's the question. But I do think that if he does get a chip and he's there for like seven years, if he does basically the KG thing, he has more winning on the front end of his career than KG did overall.

Obviously not KG's fault, but still you have that. You get one MVP, seven, eight years. If you have like a LeBron career there, cool. Yeah, but he has to make a finals at least because something KG never did. So like make it to the big show at least, let alone win it. Because KG is a high bar. So he has to have some type of hardware or these hardware appearance. Yeah, if he just makes it there

He doesn't even have to like Actually get an MVP Can you be runner up? No, I think he has to get MVP He has to win If he makes the finals I don't think he has to necessarily Sure, we know a combination of factors

But I think it's more likely He wins an MVP Yeah I think he'll win a chip at some point I don't know if he was a temple We'll see The path in front of them Aren't isn't great

You know like it's not bad But it's not like they're walking Into like a Like a OKC situation Where there's like other young stars Let come up So I don't know if he's gonna be there Forever probably though

We'll see Nick's Jalen brunson can brunson be the next goat he's he's dragging him into playoffs he's having great individual moments if he has like I had like two more years of this I'm saying for him as that no

let's say he's this good until he's 34 I don't know great years I mean Patrick Patsy Young did this for like 15 years yeah true so it was tough what if Brunson went to chip what if he went to chip this season then yeah but like but he asked get the chip that's the only thing yeah like if you

if you can do in What, four years, right? Yeah, if you could do in four years what Patrick Ewing and everybody else couldn't do in his entire career, if you bring the Nix their first championship in 50 years, you are on, like, the Mount Rushmore of, like, New York Sports. I think he'll be on Mount Rushmore of Nix no matter of way. I see that on the way. Actually, I shouldn't say no matter what. I do think he could be on Mount Rushmore of the Nix.

Being the goat is tough. But if he gets a chip, all things are off the table, the Nix will rally around a chip. We do have to, you also, you have to make the finals too. Yeah. And that's assuming that Ewing's the goat Without getting into the older guys Who actually do have hardware Hornsett's Lamello ball

Why not can he pass up Can he pass up Kimball Walker Can he pass up Egghead Henderson? Oh, I forgot about that Can he pass up Al Jefferson? So Lonzo Morning or Kimball Walker Do we think Lamello could be on the trajectory To pass those guys? At this point

I don't really see any reason to say yes But the bar is so low That's like why not What does he have to do? Win some games? Some points. Yo, can you have back-to-back seasons of winning 50 games in your career? Yeah.

Can we make the playoffs again? Can we do something? Can we never did that? Exactly. That's what you're saying. That's why we got to pass them up. Like, can we have productive seasons? They never won 50 games once.

Precisely. So he might not even have to go back to back. Just one time. If you can get to 50 wins one time, if you could be a top six seed, not in the playing. I'm not going to win a playoff series near the hornet's goat. That's a little bar. Sicking around hornets? Bro.

That's an alternate. universe. No, but lots of morning was great. So, like, he has to do something. I think he probably has to make a couple all-N-B-A teams. We're saying all this. I still don't think it's going to happen.

I have nothing to inspire confidence that we're going to get sustained excellence at any point. No, I think I'm out. I'm not out. I'm not out on Lamello, but I'm out on Hornet's goat Lamello. I don't think that's a trajectory run.

We'll see. Pacers, Tyree's Halliburton. Can he pass up Reggie Miller? Already made a finals. Oh, man. What does he have to do? to pass up Just keep being him

I think he can't He's gonna have a long career I think he'll be good For a long time He should have great longevity Well Assuming he recovers From the Achilles

Which I guess is a question mark If he is fine He should be good for a long time And it's probably never gonna leave the Pacers Like he'll probably have 10 good years there If that's the case Like I think his finals run

Is already cemented Like that's damn mirror A ring in my mind Because you have the ultimate tip of the hat To the entire league To me 10 more years are the same thing

He's to go well like six more years probably at least I don't know I mean Reggie spent his whole career yeah if you're talking about longevity Reggie was there forever really good for a long time crossing the eras obviously made a finals as well does he have to win one

also Reggie Miller was never like MVP or like that like best one of the best in the world caliber players yeah and he's not either yeah I don't think he's gonna make that type of leap so you're not gonna out longevity Reggie Miller so you gotta make it to the finals

couple more times I guess you gotta rack up the appearances that's your best hope yeah Devin Booker for the Sons he's the go for staying here and not requesting the trade at all already loyalty makes him the goat yeah exactly steve nash rest in piss charles barkley rolling your grave we're going devon booker because he's staying with dylan brooks and jalen green i mean hey hey man you got to give it to him any other star in

the modern NBA would be crying for trade also dan marley eat your heart out we're going devon booker he's loyal it really is like the greatest show of loyalty i've seen in the modern NBA you give me 60 million dollars yeah i'm gonna be loyal of course some guys are built different bro i saw this insane stat the other day um talking about how devon booker is one of the top 10 most bretted NBA players of all time already yeah insane the rest of the top 10 also current day players of his generation or older like they're all modern day era supermax players he's the youngest that's crazy right it's nuts yeah he'll probably be the team go off of long give it he'll be like so this is like this disrespectful because devon booker's a superstar but like are you done a

Haslam type go where he was there for a long time and has that type of like I never left that was there forever Donis Haslam goat You know because like Steve Nash won MVP's and stuff So like there's more accomplished players

And an individual perspective But he's gonna be like I was the team for so long Yeah That he's gonna have that type of thing Plus being really good Yeah Donis Haslam

Like he'll have that plus Being a finals appearance superstar Yeah That's just Patrick Ewing But like on the sons Pretty much yeah Yeah Instead of Hasel

Yeah The Montesabon is for the Kings The Kings who's a king's goat We go all the back It's Oscar Robinson I guess Yeah Yeah okay

I was the modern NBA Who's their goat I don't think They are in the rights Like farm To be harnessing goats They don't carry goats They got maybe

They had a couple like lambs They had Tyrese They had Deer & Fox They had chicks They had chicks They couldn't fully hatch Yeah exactly They don't have the inventory

They don't grow at fruition At all Exactly A couple years ago We would have said Deer and Fox Could he be the team goat now we're 11 Subonis.

Yeah. Shit, at this point, is King and Murray going to be here in two years? He's going to be super breaded in. I'm almost certain DeMont de Sabonis won't be a king this time next year. I hope we are certain to have a lot of things

or we try to be for the kings and they never happen. The end is near. The end is nigh. They can't do this for it. The end should have been yesterday. Question is, will he be the goat for the Atlanta Hawks in their trade for him?

Get the fuck out of here. You want that? We have a smart GMA happening. Hell no. I guess y'all suck. now. I was to add some seeds. Zion Williamson, can he be the Pelicans goat?

Can he pass up whatever you think is, like, young Chris Paul or Anthony Davis? No. Because I think those two players are, like, amazing. Too historic, yeah. Yeah. And I don't think Zion is there yet. I guess it would take him, like, staying healthy forever and just, like, having a late career resurgence where he has, like, six good years of health and keeping them

closest to the playoff race. I don't even think that would be enough. Yeah. That's not a particularly likely thing to happen. I'll be struck by lightning two days before that. Happens. Sound playing around. I don't play around.

Kevin Gates, may God strike me down. May God strike him down. He'd be saying, he said, my kids. No, he was clearly lying.

Yeah, it would take a resounding comeback in career trajectory that I can't remember ever seeing. It would be like how Jimlin Brunson became a star

late in his career, but this guy, like, became a star when he should have been the whole time, Was it different? Yeah, I think he would have to win like an MVP over there. And that's never happened.

Well, I won't say all that. The bar is very low for the Pelicans. If you make the conference finals, you could be the goat. If you're just like a playouts in for five years, you can be the goat. That's a lot, man. That is a lot of years. So I'm not expecting it. I don't know.

I don't even think that's enough too. But just no, you don't need any jewelry to be the Pelicans goat. No, thanks. Not a single bit. You can have almost hardware to be the Pelicans goat. I'd rather make some like Jose Alvarado to go before Zion Williamson right now. Would? I'm trying to get some.

a lotty okay so very easily the market's auger's would be to go here right probably yeah in a weird universe yeah for longevity if he's there for the whole 10 year i'll jefferson no no anthony davis is about that too far okay anthony davis had like three prime seasons there yeah fair fair and that's the last one MVP worthy seasons too next thing we're gonna do team mac no no he's zion before zon wimson just like but he actually had multiple all NBA years of Yeah, sounds like one Yeah, they're like

Two all-star princes, I think Yeah Okay Nice that we're gonna do I'm gonna name you An NBA Unk And you tell me if they still got it Okay

So for this season Do you think this player Still got it Whatever that means to use Sliding Scale for each guy LeBron James Uh For his standard

No I don't think that I mean I don't What He's still gonna be Like all NBA player I understand that

But like this is this is y'all's goat and i don't think that he's going to be like even at the level that we saw last year and so i i don't think it's like it's obviously different because like i'm going to say lebron's not going to got in then or i'm going to say lebron i know you mean and then say like yeah carolobie still got it but like it's obviously different but i i don't there's no really any reason to think he's going to be substantially worse than last year he's already slow he's already not blown by people he's probably going to be exactly the same there's not a reason no i know he's old as he hadica he'll probably play and play about as good he did he's making fun of it like

it's not a reason to assume he fell off like the old man hasn't already missed games and you're like yeah it's just whatever like that's not a reason to assume he won't be fine when he's on the court you know like he's lebron he's probably going to continue to average 24 points and seven assists and be lebron he's old as hell and her already like that i feel like that is very much of a good reason so you think so you say you're probably not going to see the version of him last year you understand this is going to come back and bite you in two months we're going to see the same version we had last year. Is he going to play in two months?

Probably, yes. He'll be back. He'll be back. He doesn't return like mid-November. If LeBron can give me back-to-back 30-point games, I'll say it. He's going to get at some point. He'll give you back-to-back 30-point games. And if that's the...

That's my bar. Okay. Then he's back. He's still got it. That's my bar. He's still going to do that. Will he be like best top-10 player? No.

He will give you top back-to-back-to-point games. That's all I'm asking for. Back-to-back-to-off. That's the case. I think I still got it. Perfect. Steph Curry. He still got it.

He's averaging like the most, the easiest 27 points of his life. And he's not even playing like crazy minutes for real either. Steff still got it. He's another guy that has already lost a step. He's already slow. Doesn't blow up by people anymore. Doesn't matter.

He's stronger. He's smarter. The shooting never goes away. He's crafty with his driving angles. He's going to still have it at this level for at least two more years. Yeah. He got it. Yeah.

He got it. Kevin Durant's. Of course. Kevin Durant might. have it in terms of ease of scoring to the day he dies. He'll still have it until he's 60, right? I think he can legitimately probably play until he's 49 if he really wants to. And to some degree, he could be an NBA player until he's 50.

He could ease, I genuinely believe that. I think he'd give you like a cool 11 points. I think 50-year-old KD is Nick Baton probably. And I don't think any other player in history could actually do that. You see Simone Fontechio can have a good game last night for the heat? Yeah. That's 50-year-old Kevin Durant. Simone Fentkeo.

do you want to be techie i think most legends don't he might be the one because like what else is he going to do like without basketball what else is he going to do he's arguing he loves basketball he loves arguing true i started with the high notes on purpose uh it's going down down from here james hardin i think he to this clip he's on the border line this season will determine whether or not he still has it. He still has as a playmaker, for sure. The scoring can get ugly at times. Yeah.

It's real grifty. It's hard for him to get to the room these days. It's a real struggle. It's a, yeah, every bucket is earned. It's tough to get there. Yeah. But I'd say he still got it. He's still like low level all star.

He still has a deck thing. He's still carrying offense in some regard. Yeah. Okay. You can still have that. But if you tell you March comes around and we're like, uh, slow down a little bit, he's averaging 16 points. Like, it's super possible that any years to fall off here.

I'm going to say he still has it, but it's, again, this year is the deciding fact here. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. He might not have it in April though. Yeah. Yeah. As long as he's in the playoffs, he damn shit. Oh, for sure. He's never, he's never had. Even when he was like 26 or 27, he never had it. Oh, so what do you have now? He's negative having it. It's a different scale now. He's hurting the team. Yep. Al Horford. He still got it. He still got it. We've been waiting for him not to have it. But guess what? He's going to continue to show you. still one of the best big men defender for no reasons he doesn't do very much anymore they're not letting him to play big minutes they're like why he's so happy yeah they're gonna make sure he has

it in april so regular season not really but he'll have it when it matters most steve care is going to save him they're going to roll him out like a relief pitcher in those 17 minutes that i'll is playing i feel like i'm in good hands that is fair he's on the court you feel safe there's a veteran presence out there yeah you don't got to do too much you know i ask him to be a hub of your offense or ask him to be like an insane shot bark or none standing that corner make simple bounce passes and you straight he got it okay next up clay thompson with the clock meme buddy the clock struck 12 an hour ago it's over i'm sorry it's tough for him he's in a situation where he needs to have it because there's no goddamn guards there and they're asking more of him

and they should be asking of him that man can't move that man can't slide laterally it's tough i hate this picture so much it looks so washed this is a very washed jersey it's a wash jersey his face looks frightened he's praying he's frightened because he sees a defender closing out he used to jump high

he's like I fucking got a dribble throw it up it's super over it's tough yeah I don't I don't

I don't I don't want to say it's not his fault it's not his fault you just get old there's nobody's fault time but yeah

I can he don't got it he doesn't have it biology when I catch you is helpful Kyle Lowry This man is a part-time TV analyst He'll know he doesn't have

He's got two jobs He's got his bank account got it for show He might not have it his body But that bank, that check Hit every week I know he got it Even the gluteus maxims isn't what it once was

Okay All right Come on now We were doing so good That one was earned We were doing so good And that was a calling card That was a calling card

That was a signature move when that goes it all goes except there's no more movement Chris Paul This team is so weird in general I don't think he got it anymore As far as I mean like an impactful player That can like start for a team

The fact that he's still playing Despite not gotten it He's been able to hold on And provide some value for so long At that size at that age It's impressive Good good for Chris Paul It's impressive to not have it

And be employed for this long That shows you bring a lot of intangering a great it's very funny that he is like a personality higher at this point yeah

considering how many people don't like Chris Paul considering they blew up a contender because of personality issues you know what we call

that growth the type of growth that he said he likes you did I do like it you right do you do I'm not putting any words

your mouth so Ongdon got it but he stayed unemployed it's a good for him he can stay in as long as he wants Drammon Green

he got it He still has it. He got it. When is his game ever going to, like, dissipate? He doesn't rely on, I mean, he relies on. When they start throwing him out, but like 60 more months, I think. He's just 60 more months of getting it.

The end is near. He's 35. Not 17. As long as he can move those hips a little bit, I think. Next February. I hope not. Or next March. Post all start break?

Yeah, March, 2027. It feels like he, I don't, I definitely feel like he's not. The second that's Curry's gone, he's going to retire too, because I've seen this interview clip the other day where he's, he was talking about how like that year in 2020 or was it 2021 when step was out he didn't want to play basketball oh no when step retires he's crawling away you've ever seen those those videos of those dogs who have an old person owner and they die and the dog it's like no wood to live and they later all sad that's going to be him without step curry he's not going to on play basketball

no more done yeah he's the love for the game isn't there I lost my guy yeah time to go out on a high note yeah I'd never seen that that's how she messed that that's terrible it's not a great feeling that's awful and I should show you how he'll feel without Steph Curry yeah but you still got it right now yeah still an elite defender they're playing great basketball he's equally as important as he always has been hell yeah he's barely young I only put him

because he has a gray beard but he's the youngest guy on this list he's had great in his beard for a long time yeah he's unks since he was 31 he kind of been through it in the 2020s distress facts Brooke Lopez to this capacity

of being a big body having still long arms and you can chew a little bit he got it a little bit. He said as far as existing and having a job, he still got it. As far as taking the oxygen of earth, you literally physically have it.

Yeah, he's breathing. Exactly. Yeah. No, he's back up now earned. Doesn't move quite the same anymore. The margin for error when you're big that lives on the perimeter that much, real low, when you get slow,

it's real tough to play with you. Yeah. So probably doesn't have it. But he's transitioned into his post, not having it age now. Yeah, he doesn't have it. Because if he still had it, he would still be in Milwaukee.

Yeah, yeah, they weren't dying to get rid of him. He kind of forced their hand. Russell Westbrook. I would say, of course not. He don't got it. This man keeps the job. Every year he finds a team that wants him. Clearly, he's still got something these teams desired.

He's probably the hardest worker on the Sacramento Kings. He's got something to him. Nice. He can be on the elliptical for 40 straight minutes. I like it. His stamina is never going away. I guarantee you that he will run three miles a day forever. He's going to be one to two.

all guys that is in shape because he runs a lot. He's strong as fuck doing calisthenics on the weeks for no reason. He's going to look like that picture of Mike Dibby. Yeah. He's going to be Russell Westbrook. He's going to stay in shape, I promise you. Yo, he's going to be an IFBBB Pro. I don't even know what that means.

It's like a bodybuilder. Yeah, by a bodybuilder athlete. Yeah. He keeps a roll. Good job. Good job, brus. I'm just glad he got the job. Yep.

Now, I didn't mention the fact that he loses it every time, but he gets a new one. Mike Conley. Nope. He does not still have it. I wish I had a lighter right now. Put your lighters up. We got to invent a new word, a new type of washed for 2025 Mike Connolly. It just, seeing how it just gets like 25% worse over the last three years.

I saw a play. He was a Lakers where he ran up and set a screen and you couldn't stop on time. So he was like ran through the defender. He said the Dwayway was in the call. He was like, the brakes are always the first to go. you can't stop anymore oh lord everything out there

is the struggle you're struggling to not move to stop moving not to get going fast to stop moving you're not going too fast in the first place

so a slow deceleration is a problem oh you can't decal I'm not asking him to Euro step here I'm asking him to not run into people to set a screen

everything was struck I just imagine, oh, my bad youngie. Probably bruises easy these days. It was a good run. Mike Conley, one of the most under-reed players of his era. He needs to go be a head coach at his alma mater. This is like the professional wash photo, too, just basketball love. He had a great run.

He could definitely lead Ohio State to like the elite eight or something. DeAndre Jordan. Ooh, this is super wash. He's like, still got it. I'm not going to lie. he's he's not had it for a good five years he's kept a job the whole time and he's kept a spot on the floor the pelicans are starting him clearly he's got seven feet tall that's what he has going for him clearly he's got something they don't make a lot of them in the world they don't and he's a

great locker room presence they don't make a lot of them their leaders I guess he got when in terms of that he hasn't had it for years so you're right he still got it he knows something we don't know and it's kept them having a job he knows how to keep relationships open he knows how to go He's just blackmailing the entire NBA. No, he's networking. He's taking advantage of the people he knows. He's doing it right. Yeah, he's blackmailing.

Yep, and that's the last one. It's very funny. DeAnd Jordan is like the ultimate unc. Oh, man. Yeah, he looks the most likely in this picture, too. Oh, with that mustache? Yeah, the goat's so weird. I'm just he's done with a beer.

Yeah. Okay, next thing we're going to do. I am going to name two NBA players. No. First one, we're going to do Luca Donchich. You guys can't say a name until I say a player better than Luca Donchich. Okay. So, you know, you can react that you can.

You can't say a word if you think that player isn't as good. Let's do it. First name, Damien Lillard. Okay. It's a fair one. You know, play at the same time. Luca was better. Okay.

Rajan Rondo. Champion. I don't see any jewelry with Lucas on Lucas wrist. No, okay. Why are you gagging yourself? Calm down. Good Lord. Time out. This guy's freaky, man.

This guy's crazy. Why you don't get to play? Flagg on play. Gagging? What? We're talking about Luca versus Rondo, man. Why are you telling me this? Like you weren't the one doing the motion.

Creamologist, gaggers. Brother. This guy's weird. All right. Time back in. Go back. Lock, lock in. You psycho.

God. John Stockton. Peak for peak. One game. Who you're taking? Sticking with Luca. Okay, sticking with a scoring threat Not even a consideration

Kyrie Irving 2016 Kyrie Final's appearance Kyrie At his best No Okay, okay, okay Trey Young I'm just kidding

That is what I see what he says I'm just kidding Penny Hardaway No consideration Jalen Brunson I'm just kidding I want to see what he'd say Brent's has a better

conversation than Trey I call time I call time I don't worry I call time No one cares about your time Nope I call time Okay next one

You're not getting this back Give me I give you another one Russell Westbrook Peak for peak Who would you really have To build your team around Okay

We're keeping it going Jason Kidd No nothing nothing wow Steve Nash nothing

Shay goes to Alexander Stop doing that to the mic it's over it's over it's over it's over I'm sorry it's over ending around MVP Shay championship MVP

168 games or whatever it was it's over you got to respect it you got to respect it it okay oh they stopped recording but okay the camera's recording

next thing we're going to do we're going to do it again with Victor Wenbanyama okay you guys ready currently cool sure

I'm thinking correct because he's yeah so peak for peak who you'd rather have this version of Victor Wenbaniama or another player Demarcus cousins hell yeah I'm taking

one beat don't say it word remember but what don't say a word I'm too much but I completely forgot everything. We're doing the same thing. You're not supposed to speak.

Don't say a word. You think buggy's better? He's breaking tweets, bro. Oh, no, no. We'll allow to keep going. My bad. Markis-all. D.P.O.I.

No respect for the best defender of 2013. Draymond Green. No respect for the lead defenders. Wow. De Kimbe Matumbo. Okay, let's get forward. Anthony Davis. What are you saying, Wemby?

He's ascended. It's not crazy to say. Wembe this year's going to be better than any version of Anthony Davis ever. That's what you're saying. Okay, okay. Damn, yowming. No?

No bites. Okay. Patrick Ewing. Oh, no respect for the Dix legend. I'm not going to lie. It's not ridiculous. That's not ridiculous at all. Are you sure?

I don't want to go there. Never mind. I'll save that one. I was going to say something. Who don't do next? I'm blanking your names now. Chris Bosch. No.

Kevin Garnett. Do we think this version of Webby is going to be better than any individual year? He's playing at MVP level? Have we reached that conversation where it's at least a convo? We're doing a lot real fast. but do you think it'll be a combo this year? Yes, we will take this. We will take this.

We will take this. But by the smallest of margins. Sorry, but he can't have it just yet. Yeah. Yeah, we have to stop today. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry, Wimby, you couldn't go any further.

Yeah. What if I would have said, who else would have been an interesting name? Wimby's hard, because he's like already with the Hall of Famers. But all the Hall of Famers are so established, you're not going to pick them over him? Yeah, you put AD, you pick as you guys

put him above Anthony Davis above Patrick Ewing sorry above Chris Bosch yeah who's the best player that one he's better than

okay this version of Victor Roman Yama 24 might be MVP who's the best version that he's better than the best player in the NBA history I don't know

in NBA I think I would have to go like out of his like Magic Johnson or something yeah I have to go out of his position if we're talking about that.

I just read. He said magic Johnson. What type of glazes that? Thank you. Like magic subs. Come on now. Come on now. Okay.

Let's play the imposter game. So we either got texted in name or imposter. You guys know how this works. We're going to take turns guessing or stating, I guess, a characteristic of the player until we figure out who the imposter is.

Donovan can start with you and go around the room. Donovan and mo me. Okay. Hooper. Great. Okay. In the most truest form of the word.

Okay. Okay. Tattoo. Black. Hmm. I will say good shooter. Good shooter. Signature shoe.

Did I lose a rate with the black thing? I think I lost a rate in that. Hell yeah. Oh, you did. Damn. Who was it? Luca? Yeah.

You served black on the hand. Damn, okay. We'll start over. You can come your bases for so long. Yeah. I know. Well, that went out way too. Damn it.

Threw it out right away. I was like, this would probably be a good place to start. Yeah. It usually is. It usually is. Now, we're getting another name set to us. That's funny.

The one time it failed. That shit has never failed before. We say it every time it's never failed. Okay. Do you get your text? Yeah. Okay. Can you start again, Donovan?

Athletic. Okay. Mm. Okay. Um. Arm sleeve. Large. Decent shooter?

Okay. Okay. Okay. Um. Playmaker. Playmaker. Okay. Okay. Defender. A lot of mm-hmms going around. Sounds like someone who don't know what they're talking about.

Swag. Swag. Swag. What does that mean? But I'm going to let you have it. Okay, swag. Nickname. Cool nickname. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, there's certainly a nickname. I don't want to... Oh, I don't want to give this away. Unique origin. Unique origin of the player. Interesting. Black. Nothing more unique than that, right?

Okay. That's not the worst piggyback ever. Black. It doesn't give you anything a whole. way, but that's the worst piggyback off that. Yeah. Unique, I think I'll say

the single most common characteristic. Yeah, I think I'll do that. Is it my turn? Yep. Signature shoe. Okay. Everyone has one these days. I know.

I'll say a cool signature shoe. It's a good one. Okay. It's tougher. You know, there's a bad ones. I give it away real fast. There's some shitty ones. Mm-hmm.

Um, I will say unique hair. Okay. Okay. Trying to rationalize that in my head, trying to give you a chance. Trying to give him a chance to be perceived as not the imposter. We'll give him one more round, see if he bounces back. Okay.

I have my suspicions, but I'm going to keep it pushing right now. See if you can bounce it back and save himself. All-MBA Hard Worker About the grind Okay Okay Let me hear you guys

Let me hear that guilty ass hell Mary I dare you I'm waiting on it buddy What did you say? I said hard worker Trustworthy Low key At this point

I guess He's the imposter You are the imposter What is it? Unique hair Loisianis Yeah The least unique hair

In the world You said You said a unique beginning I was thinking Either him or Jai Since Jai came from Like a small school Oh okay

That's good That was the only That's a good bet That's a good bet No I meant he is from Greece Yeah Yeah Not a lot of those in the NBA

We're doing one more round getting our tech sent to us unique air okay text should be sent let me know you guys both got them let's do it okay Domini you start us off again African American okay

got to switch it up okay yeah okay okay talented I hope so likable likable well this is hard

yeah this one's hard because I don't want to give it away this one's very he's not just pausing because he's an imposter he might be but this one's hard to not be too specific

um nice hair okay well kept yeah I guess so nice hair nice hair nice hair

nice hair okay sure um who am I to say it's not oh Okay, I guess so. We're going to go in and say,

speak faster. Top 15 in position. Okay, buddy. Noticing. Very true. Heavy on the noticing. Very true. I will say handles.

Okay. I will say destructive. Destructive? I don't know what that means. I know you're both confusing me. That was a weird answer from both of you. Okay. Destructive. Very interesting.

What? Young. Okay. You keep saying things that are right on the line that they're not wrong, but they're strange to say. I don't know what the fuck destructive means. I'm in my bag.

What can I say? Marketable. my guns pointed at both you right now trying to figure you something out I will say I'm trying to figure this out I leader

okay that's an answer that makes sense I can rock with that it's vague but it works okay so I'm going for um foundational piece okay

okay foundational piece unique athleticism role model okay kind of the same as leader but it works no not necessarily

fair Western conference he flipped a coin not really landed on heads you got it not really okay uh

Defender. Why you take that deep breath, man. Y'all, well, stressing. I don't know. Because I just, I want to figure out the correct words and the right verbiage to say. I really don't know between you to who it is. I'm actually struggling. Keep going.

You're both acting real imposter like. Influential. Okay. Okay. Excuse me. Are we going to let that slide? His imposter house, excuse me. No, for sure.

Like, influential. You said role model. He said, you said leader after that. Influential? He is. All right, Mr. Guilty. Go ahead and give one last try. Last try.

I think of my last try. All-Star potential. All right. He's the imposter. Let's go to wrap this bitch up. He was looking guilty. Potential. This is Shay Gilalus Alexander, the MVP.

God-deam impostor. We don't even got to call for a vote. It's clear. Exactly. I lasted way longer than I should have Top 15 I'm like all right That's I guess true

Listen the win is a win I lasted way longer than I should have Yeah yeah you made it You made a little run Last thing we're gonna do I'm gonna name two NBA players You tell me who you get If you combine them

Okay So yeah I try to imagine these two players Into one body Okay Lamello and Lanzo Lanzo Lovar

Oh I mean biologically You put both of those talents together That's a player that could beat Michael Jordan one-on-one Facts Is that just like Jason Kidd? Maybe I don't know

Kay Cunningham No They're too skinny They're not I don't think they're physical enough Kate is too strong Okay But it's like

So you You obviously have elite Elite playmaking Between the two of them Yep You could take Lanzos defense the creativity

from Lamello Tyrese Allerne, fuck it A little bit maybe Because it's like unorthodox A weird frame I think if Lonzo had the tight handle like that He'd probably play like Tyrese He was supposed to be Tyrese

He was God damn it God damn injuries Kyle Kuzma and Brandon Ingram Kyle Kuzma and Brandon Ingram This is good So we're thinking about like a big forward could score

dress well off the court I guess Kyle Kuzma and Brandon That just might be Pallabankero Oh low key It might be Pallobankero Okay they gotta put some weight on Maybe we're combining their

Their combined girth With Brennan and Grim like you see the playstyle Not similarities but like The archetypes that tend to thrive And then you throw in like some boneheadedness From Kuzma Yeah I think I could see that in Pallel make care a little bit right right now especially okay

Patrick Beverly and Draymond Green Pat Bevan Draymond Dennis Robman Pat Bevan Draymond What are we taking from Pat Bev to insert to Draymond here Like because you can't even take like attitude or anything because they're the same He already has the audacity built in Mm-hmm

Who's a tweaker in training right now? So it really is It's really just Dennis Robben With the podcast which in turn is just Dream on Green maybe we do a combined audacity and we just like sneak it to the next level

and it's like Bill Ambier It's like a dictator Outcome Stalin Michael Porter Jr. And T.J. McIntyre. Oh, that's a Hoover. MPJ and T.J. McIntyre with DJ's brain

and a hustle and great. But we also lose some height. What if you lose it? That's like Jimmer for debt. But he gets better. Shimmer for dead is crazy. That is like Jimber for Dead. Not.

Luke Babbitt. No, that might be like Steve Blake. No. No, no, no, no. I almost said this might be like. DeAndlo Russell. DeAngelo Russell. Delo?

Nah. We're not just taking the best for, but we got to think about pros and cons and amalgamation. That sounds like Dilo. No, but like the, just the overall attitude from T.J. McConnell has to mean so much into who's ever. Jimmy Butler. I think no hell

if you take I see what you're getting at but no not enough Michael Porter Jr. in there non-spacer if you take Michael Porter Jr. And his friend let's just say no injury Michael Porter Jr.

And you put T.J. McConnell dog in him. Kevin Durant. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Bull, bowl and Desmond Bain. Ooh, super long dude

versus super dude who has no arms. It's like poor Zingis. Are we like a mid-sized dude? You go through the longest dude to the lace-long dude? Who's the most regular player ever, then? T.J. McConnell. Jake Laravia.

Who has a nice average-sized body, average-sized neutral wingspan? Who's the most normal, like, dude in the NBA? Just doesn't jump on. You get OG and a nobi. That's what pops out. I don't know. I don't even know.

What's his wings? Where's his height to wingspan ratio? I don't know. Kevin Herder. Okay. Josh Hart and McHale Bridges. Ooh, that's an interesting player who might be annoying.

What are you taking from Josh Hart? Someone who just don't shoot. Transition. Mentality. Yeah, rebound. Transition. Hard worker. Yeah.

Put that into McHale Bridges' skill set in length. Kauai? Kauai. Yeah, I guess. Jimmy Butler with some wingspan. Kawai. I think Jimmy might be better. Yeah.

Kawai. Yeah, I'll go Jimmy Butler for Josh Hart and Mikhail Bridges. Yannis and Tyrese Halliburton's dad. Wait, Janice and Tyreys Halliburton's dad. Yep. Not Tyrese. Yep.

You hear me. Okay. So what were you taken from Tyrese's dad? Audacity. Audacity. Gumption. Gaw? Damn sure I'm going to get a gall.

Disrespectful. Okay. So if you put that into Janus. Into Janus. That's Shaq. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's Shaq at that point. Yonis who doesn't give a fuck?

to his detriments. Oh, it's Shaquille. Okay. Okay. Okay. I like that one. Charles Barkley and LeBron James. Role model versus not a role model.

Ooh. You get Michael Jordan. Do you? You get a gambling goat. That's what happens. Yeah, play style. I have no idea how they would fit together. That's the best I got.

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