The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Thing You Need To Know About EVERY NBA Team This Season | Ep. 160

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

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tired of ranking shit as fun as it is actually I'm lying just right before we started the camera we were ranking um sandwich shops so maybe like I'm breaking just a part of my system a part of my bloodline yeah but I'm so happy that we got freshness

happening finally media days are upon us there's stuff to talk about new quotes new teams new players on every team and as you see by the title we're gonna tell you guys one thing that we think you need to know about every single NBA team this season so that's one thing about, you know, the roster turnover, what's going to define their season, something of the sort. But really what this is, is us talking about these teams together for the first time.

We haven't really had a chance to actually talk about the teams as they stand because it's been so much nothing for several months now. So you're kind of going to see us gather our opinions of each team in real time over the next three weeks until we get to the fourth episode of this preview series, which will be our, you know, season preview, season predictions episode. So start of a nice little journey. Once again, let's never forget, we started this offseason with Shams telling us this was going be the craziest offseason in NBA history, and then nothing happened.

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I bet he's somewhere around the downtown area. We can figure this out. Yeah, but like you said, one thing about every single NBA team, we can go division by division, and so we cover all 30 teams in the NBA today, giving you our first impressions of these teams. Shout out of a new season. Let's get right into it. The cranium is crazy.

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Let's talk about some basketball teams. Let's get into the sport we're all here for. Let's do it. Let's start with the New York Knicks. Donovan, I assume that your team on your list? No, I didn't have them. Oh, you know the Knicks? Who are the Knicks?

No. No, it was not me. It was not me. It was not me. Oh, I did have the Knicks actually. I forgot about my team. I looked at your shirt and I just assumed you would have had the Knicks. No.

I see, I was Brooklyn. Oh, okay. Well, we're going to start in this division. What is it called again? The Atlantic. Atlantic. Atlantic Division. we're going to start there.

We're going to start the New York Knicks. Let's make divisions mean something. Please. We'll bring them back single-handedly. That's what I'm saying. The fact that, like, we don't know divisions of NBA stuff, that's directly Adams' fault. That's Adam's fault.

I guess it is. Yeah, they directly deprioritized them. Yes, that's true. Okay, so first team, one thing you need to know about the New York Knicks. This is no longer a Tom Thibbado team. And I think that will permeate throughout every single fiber of this team's being. Everything about Tibbs is kind of, you know, one note we know who tibs is we know he will not play his players that are on the bench

he'll play all of his starters 48 minutes they'll play a certain type of want it more than you basketball offensively with very basic schematics they're going to put the ball in jalen brunson's hands tell him to go cook focus on defense focus on playing his best players we understand the tibs identity and that's been the next identity obviously mike brown is not tibs and i think we'll see a team that relies on depth he's already talked about in his first time immediate day that they're not going to allow jaylon brunson to be so on ball they're going to try to focus on him being an offball player to some degree, which I think every year now we hear about all these heli essential point guards.

I don't know what that would actually net out as. But at least they're saying that, that they know that it's not really sustainable to have Jaylon Brunton have a 100% usage rate in the late game situations in every playoff game. So we'll see how it plays out. But at the very least, they will change their identity substantially. Yeah, I actually believe it just because most of the time whenever that happens, we're like whenever a coach comes in, it's like, yeah, we're going to have exp, X point guard playoff ball like okay that's fine but nothing else really changed but the fact that

you went from the coach who says we are going to run this offense because jalen is going to do absolutely everything and because the two years prior like as the nix have been building up once we've gotten into the playoffs jaylin has had to do those things because the roster construction around the nix has like with either julius randall getting hurt or o g getting hurt you've gotten into the situations where Brunson has had to be the primary scores and you go into the next season saying well this is what he did in the playoffs we can do that now yes we're finally at a point where we're in year two of having mackerel on the team year two of having cat there you feel like you have the pieces to not have Jalen you know pound pound the uh the air out of the ball

and and that's not even like a bad thing or or knock on him that's just how tibs wanted to play so i do think i believe mike brown when he says that i'm 100 i have 110 percent agree especially considering that we know that what level of offensive coach said he is we know how he's like with the vein that he's cut from the tree that he's come from over the over the past like i don't know what 15 20 years of his coaching career also what helps back that up is the offseason additions that they made yep and gerson joselli okay cool you got another big um ogy i don't know it would be replacement okay cool on top of that you got malcolm brogden and also jordan clarkson Jordan Clarkson has been a certified bucket for God knows how many years now.

You can pencil in 10 to 11 points per game for him. And then also Malcolm Brogling, too, is just like a forgotten player because he's been sent to NBA hell over the last few years. But just like three years ago, he won six men of the year. Yeah. And just last year, he just shot like 41% from 3.9, or two years ago now, I guess. And he's been like consistently a good player throughout the entirety of his career. He gets injured a lot. But nonetheless, he still have another.

option, which alleviates so much pressure and gives you more versatility when it comes to your roster. Yeah, exactly. And they just have other ball handlers that can handle the ball that are guards. You know, last year, I think a lot of the talking points was like, is Michael going to step into the similar role he had on the Brooklyn Nets, where he's going to be your tertiary ball handler, or we can get the OGN and Obie leap, how are we going to use Kat as a high post hub? And all that can still happen.

All that, I'm sure, will be a continued focus of Mike Brown to make it so there's five ball handling threats instead of one and a half. late games, but actually being going to bring in two more bench ball handlers on top of Miles McBride, which I guess he's not really a ball handler, but he's a guard-sized player. Yeah, but, you know, not like a creator. But Jordan Clarkson alone is big there. Yeah, like Gershon Yauvouseli is one that we glossed over, but OG is like their only big wing defender.

Yeah. McKill Bridges was not a strong defender last year, certainly not like a strong wing defender. Like he was like, he uses like a chaser over screens. It was kind of like the main guy defending small guards so they can hide Jail him Brunson. OG was their only like three, four big body. body size of the defender. Gershot will be that. He will be a big body.

I can guarantee it. Yeah, I'm actually really excited about the front court depth because last year, like, once Cat was gone, it's like, okay, we're going to play, we're going to play precious some minutes

and we're going to wait until January until Mitchell Robinson can come back. You're going to start this year. A lot of the talk has been, are you going to start with the double big, move Josh Hart to the bench?

If that happens, cool, we'll see that. But even when the inevitable, hey, Mitchell Robinson, he's out for a two to three, weeks you have you have um gershon who you can run some small ball five with him and and he can still be extremely you know what you said extremely strong uh to play the five you have hook porty he got hurt in like february but he should be fine now um and there were flashes last year of him

like actually just playing well and you know small spurts and stuff so yeah i'm actually really excited for for the big rotation for them and i think like seeing how mike brown is going to utilize Kat is going to be really, really interesting because obviously he has the background with the Warriors. And then you talk about his time with Sacramento and you have a big in Subbonis that you are playing this like high post. He's going to be the hub. And so I want to see how much of that can be a lot for Kat really. So like if the Jalen, if the Jalen Brunson off ball game, right, is also happening, how much that is coming from cat playing, you know, high post, be having the ball you're running some some screens through him running offense through

there like all of that is going to be super super interesting and so i i think offensively like the nicks are going to be it's hard to say that they're going to be better just because they were a a good offensive team but i think the versatility and the craftiness and the different amounts of of offense should be fun because we and i was we were all yelling it during the playoffs and like you get to the last five minutes and you knew all right we're just going to run this Jalen Brunton picker roll, he's going to ISO for the last 30 seconds every single time. There's actually going to be plays now. Yeah.

And they did not get the most out of cat. They did not get the most out of cat at all. He was not maximized. Whether you feel how you feel about his strengths and weaknesses, how much it contributed to their loss, they weren't getting the most of him offensively, which is like the bare minimum thing you have to do to justify him being on the roster. Yeah, 100% I agree. When it comes to having a player like cat, by his nature, you know that defensively, you're

cooked. You're going to have like so many lapses. He's going to play hard. But sometimes he plays. plays too hard and makes all types of boneheaded plays. And in order to like subside that, you have to have him be as potent as possible offensively. It's like they, it's like you, you want to go ahead and make, you want him to make so much noise, but you were like the, the Tim, Tibbs was like a mute, the mute button for him.

And he won't allow him to go ahead and like do such things because he wouldn't involve him in the offense and now like I am for sure certain that someone like Mike Brown will be able to do that. Yeah. And I don't know exactly what the changes will be. He's already talked a little bit about his offensive philosophies, but they won't be no offensive philosophy, like it was the Tibbs. It won't be working into the same thing no matter what because we were going to go out our way. You know, there will be adjustments.

There will be a focus on depth at least a little bit. And, you know, in the Eastern Conference now, that's, for lack of a better word, why the fuck open? Everybody has been decimated that was the top contenders last year outside of Cleveland. The Knicks are the, you know, the best remaining team that made a deep run last year. And, you know, it's one of those phrases that's like, if you didn't get better, you got worse. Their roster didn't get better necessarily. They got a little bit of interesting piece on the bench.

But just by the nature of having a new mind in there, you could easily sell yourself on like, this is going to be a substantively different version of this team that, you know, are as primed as anybody to win this conference. Yeah, it's, I don't know. I think that they got better. They did, they did. Hell yeah. I guess when I say that, they got, like, pieces that didn't have last year. I said they can play depth. But they didn't add, like, a huge starting piece out of closed games and, like, make a huge, like, a huge.

like a huge difference to say they're more likely to beat the thunder or whatever yeah yeah there was not a move in they're like handicapped based off of the um the car Anthony towns move and the mccal bridges moves like that was it and i think in terms of like maximizing their potential picking of guys who didn't have necessarily the most value but are like actually good guys who can close out potentially on the final final minutes of the game like garrisalaya buseli who shot like 37% from three last year super underrated player I think that makes a difference

will they go ahead and be able to beat that seem like O KC or the Nuggets or whoever comes out of the West I don't know but do they get better at you today which is all you can ask for hell yes they did yeah at the very least the one thing you know about the team

is they got different even though the players on the team are largely the same it won't be the same team yeah and honestly I mean right now outside of OKC if the Knicks do end up getting over the hump they get to the finals

you feel decent about them against anybody you know outside of obviously okay C just with everything that they have but all the teams in the West and we're obviously going to get to it but the West is like especially with OKC's presence you have this like amazing team in the Thunder and then everybody else is kind of

trying to figure out like where they where they stand because it's such a log jam in the in the middle so you have an easy east the path to the finals is there it's like it's obviously let's get a top three seat, top two seat, hopefully. You play Cleveland in the conference finals. We'll see what they do.

But like, that's the road for them. Okay. Sticking out east, continuing to go through the Atlantic Division. Who has the 76ers? Ooh, that is me. What is one thing people need to know about Philadelphia 76ers? I think the most important thing that we need to know is that the obvious, Joel Embed, it looks like he is becoming healthier.

There was a report that came out a couple of weeks ago. and it was talking about how Joe Embed has how we entered this offseason was just so simply focusing on a health of course but he lost a ton of weight a lot of weight and having a slimmer in B potentially might I don't know I don't know if he's like changing his entire play saw or whatnot but logically it doesn't make sense for him to be slimmer so he can add a lot less weight to that to that knee that he has and it looks like he and this entire team this might be one of the like last chances and he's given him It's the best shot with it. So Embed is slimmer. That's what you need to know. That's the most important thing. Yeah. And currently Embed is playing basketball.

He is available. We don't know how long it'll last throughout the season. If it'll be a thing where he's available for the whole year. But he's on the court right now, practicing full five on five a few days before preseason training camp begins. Good sign. You know, midway through last year, I think it was like, we have no clue how many games we will see Joel and be played for the rest of his 70-6 career. Will it be ever a full season ever again? Still don't know for sure.

But it's at least a good sign. And that's training the right direction that. And that's like you have to start and stop the conversation with is Joellenby going to be there or not? Yeah. Because everything else about the team, the interesting young guards, the Paul George of all is he going to bounce back. It's a drastically different conversation whether or not he's there. Yeah, I 100% agree. It all stops and starts with Joel and Bede.

You could talk about how interesting it is going to, it's going to be seeing year two, Jared McCain, what type of impact V.J. Edselm is going to have what you're going to see out of Paul George. The last time I heard about Paul George, he had a fucking knee surgery way earlier to start off the off season. and then like a photo came out of him with so fucking funny of a knee brace outside in the club so did you see that picture no I did you know he had a knee brace outside the club and his fit was outrageous bro I gotta show you the picture um but yeah obviously he's important too but as time goes on you kind of want to deprioritize that so that's why um jo and b is like him losing weight and being fully healthy don't not wearing any type of knee brace

or anything like that is super super important. important. Yeah. And even on top of that, too, Joel Embed is currently healthy. He will be playing. Also, one thing you need to know is I'm pretty sure I can assume this team will not be playing through Joel and Bede quite as much with the guards they have there,

with Tyrese Maxie taking a big responsibility leap, I guess you can say, last year without Joel Mee for the whole year and with Paul George being a little cooked. He's ready to have more responsibility. Like you said, year two, Jared McCain, drafted another guard really high. We'll see what happens in Quentin Grimes. They have so many ball handlers that even when this team is at their best, they didn't have this volume of all handlers, I think, and this volume of people that can handle the rock

outside of Dwell & B, you know, at Paul George in there, whatever that looks like. So I think we'll see Duelan Bid that even if he's healthy and even if he's able to play and they don't, like, completely low manage him. They'll load manage him by giving him less usage, I think. I have, yeah, like, honestly, like... The nice to say moment?

No, like, it's not even like nothing nice. It really is just, like, at this point, I don't know, I don't know if there's anything substantial, you know, that we can actually say about the Sixers until like, at least a month in, right? Because everything that, everything that Oh, wait, wait, what is up? I got Paul George's knee brace. He's wearing us to the club. He's fucking crazy, bro.

At the striped shorts, the knee brace, with the legs leave underneath the knee brace. Some designer shoes, I can't tell what it is. It's like some kind of like designer looking chucks. Yeah. And then the sleeveless top shirt. Oh, he's in his uncle era for sure, man. This is. Wait, is that like a Is that like a sleeveless mock neck that he's wearing? Oh, no, bro. Oh, there is a high collar.

He's in his unc air for sure, man. Come on, Paul, George. Oh, my God. Is this fashion week? No, this is, this is way earlier in, like, May or June. Way earlier. Yeah, go ahead. Get that cat band play.

But I know you're right. It is hard to talk about the Sixers just because of such a big question mark. But so far, we know what this team will be. If Joel Amita's healthy, they'll have a lot of guards. So how Paul George is a wing around, Joelle and B. They'll do their thing that they continue to reload a young town around him. Yeah. TBD, if he says healthy.

But right now, there's no news of anything holding him back. And last year, there also wasn't news. And then, like, a week before the season started, it was like, oh, fuck, he has this debilitating injury. He might miss the start of the season. And then it's snowballs from there. So thus far, no bad news. It's not good news, but it's the absence of bad news is what you can report today.

And that's a win. Correct. Yeah, it's a massive win. So you got it. All right, what's one thing people need to know about the Brooklyn Nets? They used all of their first round picks on point guards. And so now they just have a log jam. And like, we still don't know.

Even after the entire offseason, we didn't find out a damn thing about this team. All we know is like that they, they had a need. And they said we are going to try and fix it this year. But they're going to be one of the weirdest teams. And also like one of one of the worst teams, obviously, just because they, they, one don't have a lot of talent. But you have to, you have to. figure out like how these point guards are going to fit you have to figure out where you want

to we want to put everybody and then at the same time you have cam thomas who just signed his qualifying offer who is trying to get his game off so that he can show the rest of the league i can hoop i deserve x amount of dollars and then you also traded cam thomas away to not cam johnson away to to bring in michael porter junior and he is like hey i just got shipped out of this title team, let me show everybody that I can get my game off and I deserve to be like on a contending team type of thing. And then you also have Nick Claxton who people have had in trade rumors. So you have all of these young pieces that you're trying to figure out for the future. However, nobody else on the roster is a part of this team's future. Yeah. Like this team is

so hard to dissect because like you said, they have five different like guards. They have, or not guards. They have one big guy who's a bucket as well. Forget his name. But this team is, Everyone is like on a different page. Like everyone's entirely different pages and sectors of their career and nothing feels cohesive about this at all other than Cam Johnson or Cam Thomas and Michael Porter Jr. Just trying to get their buckets off. I disagree with everything you guys have said. Whoa.

This feels very cohesive to me. This feels cohesive in the way that everybody understands that they are trying to be the worst team in the NBA. And that they are trying to take to me, this insane draft class, we talked about it. It was a, in our opinions, based on our evaluations of these players, a poor use of the assets, right? Maybe we're wrong. Maybe one or two of these guys' hits. Who's to say? But either way, they made this abundantly clear. They are committed to tanking now. Last year, they weren't committed tanking. And it cost them. They didn't get a top five pick

in this class. They will get a top five pick in this class. I guarantee it. They got rid of all their veterans. They have a fuck ton of rookies. I promise you, they're going to be aiming to flip Cam Thomas and Michael Porter Jr. and probably in the class in as time goes on. These veterans are not safe. At least one of them, maybe all three, we dealt the deadline. This will be a year of let's see which point guard can be interesting. Let's see if Danny Wolf is interesting and see who we can draft top three next year. That's a hell of a process, though.

I hope that's the case. That's the smartest process to go about it when it comes to flipping it out to Cam Thomas and also Michael Porter Jr. And Nick Classen, who has like underrated trade value while also because it's been diminished too. That's the smartest way to go about. Especially considering that just the last off season,

they went ahead and traded away McCauberts and were able to get all of their picks back pretty much from the Houston Rockets and also flip him away or ship McCowell to the Knicks, too. Hopefully that is the case. But, man, I just don't trust the process of these guys. So I agree with you.

It's hard to trust their process. They're not going to have a choice. Let me show you this again. This team is dog shit. Like, I'll be shocked if this team has one of those sneaky, close to playing seasons again like they usually do. This team sucks, man.

Like, a big part of why they were always so sneaky is because they had guys that were like, oh like veterans you know like they could play who's the vets on this team Michael Porter Jr. and Cam Thomas oh my god MPJ's your vet oh man

they have really good coach but this team is horrible like this is a terrible terrible roster there's no I mean I was to say there's no passing talent but shout out Igor Demin and Treyore like maybe those guys will come in but they're rookies that have questionable handles questionable downhill ability I'm not sure they're gonna maximize their playing making in year one so they're gonna be playing through

Cam Thomas Terrence man and Michael Porter Jr. as ball handlers. Dude, they have no vets. And no passing. That's a lost art in the NBA today, man. Very little defense. That's not a good defensive unit either. Shout on Michael Porter Jr.'s, weakside shot blocking.

Shout on to Claxton's switching ability. One through three is fucking turnstiles. This team will be atrocious. Yeah, and we'll see. But, like, it was supposed to be like that last year and they didn't make the move. You're right, you know. But also they're worse now. They were like last year, if there was ever a time to be like,

or it's a signal to everybody that, hey, we're in our rebuild. It's what they did last year. And like Mo said, you get your picks back. Why? The moment that like two games in a row were one and they were starting to be frisky, it's like, hey, hey, hey, like you guys clearly don't understand what's going on now. You guys are out of here because I need you guys to understand. Nobody's bigger than the program.

Yeah. And Dennis Schroeder tried to make himself bigger than the program and they were trying to win games last year. So I think like we've seen this team be a little frisky. and then the front office still not really, really harp on getting, you know, assets moving forward. So, like, you say that everybody is going to get traded. I wouldn't be shocked if we get past the deadline and all of these guys are still here. That's fair. That's fair.

But I will say, even if they are still here, this team will still suck. This is substantially different. That's also true. Having Dennis Smith, I mean, Dennis Ruder, Cam Johnson, and Dorian Finney Smith, substantially better than whatever the fuck they're doing here at Terrence Man at Michael Porter Jr. I will say this team, Jenner. nearly needs to get good quick get decent fast because yes like they did trade for their own picks back but just some stipulations in the in the draft picks that they were able to get back

in the year 2027 they do have their own pick great that's next year's draft but Houston has the right to swap for the worst pick also so like you have you can walk away with some but not necessarily you own draft they were they swap for this year for no 2027 okay but 2026 did they have their own pick yeah this year they have their own pick but next year they don't. But in 2028, they have their own pick again. All right. So we got to have a perfect one-year rebuild. Exactly. They have to get as dog shit as possible. And listen, there's three stars. There's three stars in the draft class.

They better get one of them. Yeah, they have to get one of them. Well, I don't know. Listen, Utah's trying to make a run too. Like, they might get beat out. Now, I just take their over under 20 and a half. 28 and a half? 20 and a half. Oh, okay. Is it the lowest in the league? It should be. I hope so. Probably is. No, it has to be the lowest in league. Yeah, it's got to be. There's not many teams that are like complete piss right now. Yeah, so under? I never know how to do overrunners when it's 20.

Yeah, that's so hard to predict it. They got five rookies, right? I'm going under. Yeah, I mean, 20's a very low number, but yeah, there's a very like, Cam Johnson is. Oh, no, it's not the lowest. Okay, no, who do you think is the lowest? Not Washington.

No, it's a very clear answer. Who's the lowest? Oh, am I just forgetting about somebody? Who is it? It's the Utah Jazz. I'm actually surprised. I actually feel like the jazz will have a better season. Every year I say this about the jazz

And I'm wrong But they did They did lose Conn Sexton They don't have Jordan Clarks anymore To John Collins is not there as well You're right They did also bleed their veterans Fuck

I still I still like I hate this roster for the Nets I still think I think Yeah I still have five rookies is atrocious I'm sorry I trust their head coach Actually no both good head coaches The Jazz are at 18 and a half

Okay Dan we're three teams in 27 minutes We are so slow I know listen it's the first episode of the season This is gonna be a four hour episode deal with it. Yeah.

No, 100%. Next team is division. Toronto Raptors. I have them. One thing you need to know about the Raptors, because you probably haven't thought about them for even more than just the summer. You probably haven't thought about them for a year. Two years?

Three years? Six years. Four years? Five years is in the table. No, no, you can say five. The year after they won the title. All right. So you probably haven't thought about them in four years.

One thing you need to know about this team is Brandon Ingram does it. exist and he does play for the Raptors. I know that's surprising because he hasn't played basketball in a very long time in essentially two years. He does exist. And I think that why I'm saying this is it will make a substantial difference. His presence coming to this team for the first time after being traded there last year, not playing a single game. He will, for lack of better words, save the Scotty Barnes PR, I think. I think it's going to be substantively better for Scottie Barnes to play next to Brandon Ingram. I think you're going to kind of see this season those two work pretty well together, allow Scottie Barnes to not have all the shot-making burden in the

world on his shoulders. Brandon Ingram is still a good player. He's completely forgotten about. And I'm not here to say whether or not he's like a star or winning player or whatever. But him as a shotmaker and his ability to get his own buckets and relieve that pressure off of Scotty Barnes, I think you're going to see this team once again be thought about as, oh, a team with an interesting young star and not this team in Wasteland. I disagree because I think both of those things are true.

I think that they will be looked at as a team with a young star and also quote unquote wasteland because I don't know if I don't know if Toronto has any idea how how any of this is going to fit and you still have like you still have the Emmanuel quickly situation of it all in that you gave this guy $175 million and you still don't know if he is like a decent player for you. You have you have you have BI, you have Scotty you're still trying to figure out like okay like you honestly like you have an idea of what Scottie is but like you still are trying to, like, solidify that? I don't feel like it's that.

I mean, I get why we say that because they're in such disarray and they make such weird decisions. Like you say, extending manual quickly, pretty early, taking that bet, didn't pay off,

getting Ingram, never once playing them together, making Scotty be like a point guard last year. Everything's, like, weird. So I get why there's not a reason to have faith in them. I think we've seen exactly how to use Scotty, and it was when they had

Pascal Seaccom on the roster. Scotty Barnes was fantastic as a secondary ball handler, setting screens, pick and popping, rolling, operating the short roll, doing some high post stuff doing the stuff he does now

just without the burden on his shoulders of him running a pick and roll being the entire offense having a guy to playoff of and deferred to and play a two-man game with. Scotty Barnes, I mean, Pascal Seaccom and Ingram are very different players

but they are both like big ball handlers that can operate from the high post area in like similar ways. Like I think it'll be a return to that exact role for Scottie Barnes. Yeah, I 100% agree. And I think honestly like the Raptors are probably going to be

one of if not And I'm just going to say one of the more underrated teams in the NBA because thinking about the Brandon Ingram and Scottie Barnes duo, again, in a more demeaning way to say this, Brandon Ingram might on the most, like, low-key level, change Scotty Barnes' broke-ass, like the show. I agree. Because, like, he hasn't had this level of score, this level of explosive score in a long-ass time. And on top of that, too, when I'm thinking about, like, the rest of this roster and how they form really well against score. around scotty barns they also have rj bearer too which i completely forgot about for a second i feel like they're trying to figure out a way to move off him but i guess like

the right opportunity wasn't there necessarily so they have him grady dick like showed to make sizable improvement of course like throughout the first i don't know two months of the season last he was averaging like 21 points per game looking like a breakout star and all that two months more like two weeks yeah and then all that shit fell to the felt to the depths of hell and his efficiency tanked. But now, needless to say, you can put him back to where he should be with just like a supporting role, supporting, supporting, supporting, good supporting cast player, averaging like 10 points, 11 points, being an efficient shooter. Emmanuel quickly is like a huge X factor, of course, a fucking terrible contract. But you

don't ask a lot, you don't ask a lot out of him considering like, okay, you have your go-to score. You have your probably go-to playmaker between the two and Scottie Barnes and Brandon Ingram. You just need him to be decent. I think this team is, set up to actually make the playoffs this year. Considering how I'm down bad the East is. Okay, so I agree with that, but I also think, and this is kind of why I feel like the clarity that you may think what happened with them might not happen, like, might not actually be the case because the East is so bad that like you can be, and you can actually be a 12

seed, but because of what this year is going to look like, like the Raptors, if the Raptors were the eighth seed in the east, it wouldn't, it wouldn't shock me. But then we get to next year and teams start to come back. And so then you have this idea of what your team actually is, but then the conference gets a little bit stronger, a little bit healthier. And then you're right back to the position that you're in. So that's why I don't, like, I don't think that they're going to take as meaningful of a step this year to where you can go into next year and say, oh yeah, we're actually legitimately one of the six best teams in the conference. Yeah. And that, that's why, that's why I feel like the, the quote unquote, like wasteland type of vibe

might still be here next year. Yeah, I'm not saying anything about them being good. I'm only focusing on Scotty Barnes will be playing a Brandon Ingram now and that will be good for him. Because at one point, we were talking about Scottie Barnes as this upcoming star of young player. Last year, he looked like an upcoming role player.

He did not look like anybody that should be the foundation of a team in a meaningful way. And I think currently the conversation around his name is like, y'all got to stop with this. Scotty Barnes nonsense. He's so overrated. And that's deserved after last year.

I'm just saying that this year, Brandon Ingram will help him get closer to the people that are optimistic about him. I do still think I'm like done imagining him as being like a true like top tier like all star level talent. He's a tertiary player, I think, in terms of like he needs to be your team's secondary star playing off of the best player on a team. And not to say Ingram is better than him or is that, but he'll be the main offensive option. Branding that is. So I just think we'll see Scottie Barnes slot into a better role for him that we'll get, even if it's not that he's back on like great player trajectory, you at least will know what it looks like when Scottie Barnes

used the way he should be used. Yeah. I am going on record saying that I think they will be good this year. Are they going to be great? Am I, like, looking into 2027? Hell no, I'm not doing that right now. But right now, I'm just saying, like, they're going to be definitely a playoff team.

They should be. It'll be in a major embarrassment if they're not. Okay. Last team in this division is the Boston Celtics. Quick one. This year is all about retooling. That's all you've got to know. This team, the roster right now is completely unsurious.

And that's by design. They lost Al Horford. They lost Christosos Porzingis. Their big man rotation is now Namias Keda, Chris Boucher, and well, they also lost Luke Cornett. So, Namia's Kada, Chris Boucher, and one more person I'm forgetting that should not be playing big minutes

for a team and trying to be good. That's an unsirious front court. They did add to Anthony Simons, which I guess is interesting because he's kind of a flawed player that I'm also kind of like out on expecting to make some big leap, but on a team that is all about volume of threes,

getting them off with quick trigger, off the dribble, off the catch, variety of ways, I think he probably will fit in pretty nicely in a Joe Mazula system. I think we'll see in Anthony Simons that plays like Derek White on offense, which is better for him than what he was doing in Portland, and I think they'll probably flip him at the deadline to a team

that needs that exact thing. I think that'll be the theme of this season is Brad Stevens will make all the moves necessary to maximize what they can be next year, whether that's flipping players the deadline or if Anthony Simons is better than I'm expecting and he's just like really good and he's a new part of the rotation. So be it. They'll figure out what's going to be best for them

in 2027. I think they'll probably trade for a big man at the trade deadline if something is available for a team that's trying to sell again everything will be set them up for next year yeah yeah let's see what I'm I'm curious because like now Janet Brown this the world is your oyster at this point you know this is finally and obviously it's not like an amazing situation but now you have the opportunity to get all the shots you want

have all the have have the ball in your hands as much as you want so it's a it's a good a good situation for him in his individual game to be able to get off especially since last year was the was a down year for him and so now you have an opportunity not only to have this bounce back just off of you know regular like positive regression but now because of the volume and the opportunity that's there so it's a it's a good situation for him so I'm very interested to see what he looks like because obviously when tatum comes back depending on how he looks early like is this team going to instantly be in playoff contention again that a lot of that depends on

obviously Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. Yeah, it'll probably be good for his development too. Maybe we can get him, Derek White, Anthony Simons, Peyton Pritchard, whoever else is it going to be like a player that you think is going to be there for the following year. Hopefully they can get a like Jaron Jackson two years ago arc where they have to deal with so much usage on a shit team. And it's kind of really stress testing the limits of their ball handling. Maybe they can get better for it. That'll be a thing.

It'll be half the season is that stress testing. Jaylon Brown's handle. Derek Weiss playmaking ability as a lead point guard, all of this. and then half of it is Brad Stevens playing fantasy football just selling high, buying low, doing all the maneuvers he can to maximize assets for the next year.

Yeah, the conversation is pretty simple, sadly to say, from the Boston Celtics this year. Yep. All right, let's move on to the Pacific Division. Who has the Clippers? Oh, that's me. What is one thing people need to know

about the Los Angeles Clippers? Understand that they are the unction. Okay. They did bring in Bradley Bill. They did bring in Chris Paul. They did bring in Brooke Lopez. And obviously they have this whole Kauai thing going on right now. Guess what?

It's not going to get resolved in the next two weeks, right? It's not this investigation on the Kauai Balmer, Kappa Convention, whatever. That's not going to get done before the season starts. However, we know Kauai Leonard, and we know that he is not going to play 82 games. He's probably going to play somewhere between 47 and 55 games. So whenever that happens, you do have a Bradley Beal there that can keep up the scoring with James Hardin, who was a little bit less efficient. You've seen it's harder for him to be like this offensive engine. You have a Chris Paul there that can take just a little bit of the ball handling rotation.

You have Brooke Lopez who can play 15 minutes behind Zubach, who could also split backup center time with John Collins. The clippers have a lot of looks that they can throw. they have a lot more versatility and the value and the mismatch and, you know, I guess like the patchwork that they've done to this roster, it's kind of okay. It's fine.

Yeah. You know what's weird? The one thing I would say I need to know is this team is simultaneously, much deeper and much more versatile, like you said, but also not that different. Like, I feel like both are true in that I'm with you, like they are clearly very versatile for all that you said. Now they have

three big men that they can play in a variety of ways. Cool. They have three playmakers that can use in a variety of ways. Cool. All the wing defenders in the middle that they had last year with Derek Jones Jr., Chris Dunn, all that. Cool. All that on paper is very interesting. I still feel like they're not that different in terms of how I'm expecting them to make it further in the playoffs.

They are still like James Harden, Kauai Leonard, Zubach-led team. The pieces in between are slightly better, slightly more multiple in the looks they can give. But I don't feel like my opinion on them really changed, despite all those changes. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I mean, it's going back to similar, similar conversation when it comes to the New York Knicks to, like, they got better. They're genuinely a better team on paper. But when it comes to thinking about their final outcome, it's probably going to be the same exact thing.

Yeah. Just the process might look a little bit better. You can genuinely tell that this team is taking steps. And that's all you can ask for for a team that's going through, for a fan base is going through the type of thing that they mean going through for, like, their entirety of their existence. And it makes me feel like I'm, like, disrespectful to them because, like, by not, like, caring about the improvements they made. And, like, it's not that I don't care. Like, I do, like, I like the move changes they made. Like, they are a better team for it.

But when I look at them versus the other two to three best teams in the conference, I'm like, I still have the same amount of faith they had before. Have you been going to beat these teams? Just because no matter what, we still have to have the reliability of Quay Leonard, we still have to deal with the playoff James Hardin of it all. Like, I don't feel substantively different. And I don't know. I can't tell if that's just a indictment on their core or if that's me overlooking them too much.

I don't know. No, it's a, it's a combination of everything. Because, one, like, they are, they are who they are. Like, at a very foundational and franchise level, the clippers are the clippers. And you have playoff series like last year where they really should have won that first round series against Denver. And they fumbled every opportunity that they had to win specific games, to gain advantages in that series. And they didn't take advantage. And then you replaced Kauai Leonard with Bradley Bill, who guess what, also doesn't play a lot of games.

you brought in Chris Paul, who is 40 years old. I'm glad he played all 82 games. That's not probably, that's probably not going to happen again with somebody who is as old as Chris Paul is for the NBA. And also the same thing with Brooke Lopez, who is getting up there. So your team is an aging team who is relying on veterans to push you forward and you have to kind of deal with, with availability issues

and you brought in aging veterans who have availability issues so like you double down on really who you were before and so that's why it's fair to look at them and say like yeah I don't know if you guys

are actually going to get over the hump because you just kind of added to what you were but it it lowers the I think the variance of what the team can be this year yeah and John Collins moves me that's one that moves in the most

is having a strong forward that can be a not like defense needle mover necessarily, but a good defensive compliment to Kauai and Zubach. That's just a very strong three through five of good team defenders that can move and have a lot of strength to not attack mismatches there. That moves me, especially with his shooting, that moves me. Then he can be a role man as a small ball five. Like his addition, I like a lot.

Bradley Beale, we're just going to be sold on the fact that Tyloo was saying, I can fix him. I can make him play defense in my environment. That's pretty much what he said when he asked about over the summer is we've seen Bradbill play defense in the right environment. I can make that environment. I hope you're right But as of now I don't see him As that big

of a needle mover From Norm Powell So I don't care About Chris Paul Being added In this last season His career So it's really

They add John Collins To a good team And I think that matters But doesn't make me Think they're gonna beat The Clippers I'm beat the Thunder Beat the Cavs

Whoever may be Yeah I think Going back to the John Collins And Bradley Bill Discussion I think Bradleyville Just simply like a

Norm Powell filler I don't have any Real expectations And I don't really care about his addition I think Going back to the John Collins thing

that should move this team a lot more considering we don't know real expectations to be set or put on John Collins defensively because that's always just been a slippery so throughout the entirety of his career but what he does on what he does on offense and how he just gives him another like genuine good consistent option when it comes to his ability to do a little bit just a one percent of like pull up stuff put mid-range stuff is a good layer to have considering that your second option in offense is a 36 year old or how Rodi is James Harden, who has all these lapses. John Collins is also like a 40% three-point shooter.

That's an insane curve to, that's an insane layer that he was able to add to his game as his career went on and also the lob threat that he has, that he has as well. Like James Hardin hasn't had a lobble. I guess he played with Derek Jones Jr. last year, which was great. But having a big man lob thread who can set better screens is genuinely different. So I think it moves. It doesn't move mountains. Yeah.

For a regular season, though, they are. They are great regular seasons team. This will be a solid four seed that, like, you never know what happens in the playoffs. So I'm not saying this to disparage them. I'm just saying when I'm trying to think about like big picture, do I think this is like a real contending threat? I don't think so.

But, you know, we're in a weird in between era where they're making the most of the Kwai Leonard era as he rides out his contract. This is pretty much the best I can hope for around this Coisleiner James Hardin duo. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So shout out them.

Next up, the Golden State Warriors. One thing you need know about this team, Jonathan Camingo looms large. That's what you got to know is not shit has happened this summer because John DeCamiga does not have a contract. And the threat of Jonathan de Kaminga playing for this roster looms large because they have to plan around him right now. And that's the reason they haven't signed everybody else

because they don't know where his contract's in the fall. Whether it be him taking the qualifying offer, him getting the big contract he wants, them agreeing to a middle ground. It's all still TBD. I don't even think we have any reporting on where that's going to go and training camp starts in like a week. It's crazy how much is holding everything up.

We assume as soon as that finalizes, they will sign out Horford. They will sign Gary Payton, and they will sign the Anthony Milton. That's what the presumption. Those guys are free agents because they're waiting for them. Cool. I like Al-Horfer coming in. I don't know how to feel about that or anything else until we get this comming a thing figured out.

Because we have to imagine if he stays and they do some kind of deal, they're also going to have to massage in. If he's not a qualifying offer, he wants to get touches and be able to prove that he can earn money from another team in the summer. So he's going to want touches. He's going to want to start. So he said. I got some bad news for you I have terrible news for you you haven't gotten the touches

that you wanted in four years and you think that now because it's a contract you for you they're gonna be like oh yeah let's give Kaminga 20 touches a game exactly dude no like this is not how and that's my point so that's half of it

then what do you so what's the conclusion from there the conclusion that he's going to be pissy all year so what do you got to trade him who wants him there was talks about the Kings won him who wants him there was talk about the Kings want to him who wants me team.

No 100%. What's funny is the Kings apparently want him and the Warriors had no interest in Malik Munk, which is crazy to me. I think Malik Munk is good. So that was the one suitor that was reported. And they were like, nah, keep Malik. We'd rather have Kamika, I guess.

So if he's there, it will change so much about how this team has to play, try to get the most of him. If he's not there, now what do we point to as like the athleticism boost around our three vets? veterans. Like, it's a really, really bad situation, I think, with him being the society factor for this team and the good and the bad.

Dude, again, how they've managed this entire young core situation and the whole, like, time minus thing or whatever the fuck we've all been talking about over the last few years has genuinely been disastrous. And I'm happy, like, Steve Kerr throughout this summer genuinely admitted that, like, you know, like he's, he, being on the war, saved his, the second half is just like life career or whatever. And he is very proud of what he was able to do. Steph Curry saved his. career blah blah but one thing that he made in that podcast has stuck out like a sore thumb and i love because it's like 100% real he is not a coach who develops a young town that's what he said out loud

that's not his bag that's not what he grew up on doing that's not a skill set necessarily we see that like bleeding through and john the jama mingo of it all there was this one report i saw i think this morning or late last night it's probably this morning where jimmy butler hosted a workout private workout for all of his teammates and pretty much everyone showed up except for Jonathan Kaminga. So no surprise because he's still in these weird

contract negotiations or whatever. But it's just like what easily one of the most annoying storylines that we've had to deal with with the Warriors

over the last few years. Yeah. Jonathan Kamega's only player from the Warriors tentative roster absent for the informal minicamp organized a Jimmy Butler.

So I'm making it's a guess it's understandable. He isn't currently in a contract negotiation. He doesn't know they're going to keep him or trade him. So he's like,

I'm going to stay home. Not a great look, but I guess I understand it. Camiga doesn't have a contract and remains a free agent despite the Warriors offering a three years $75 million deal

Dude that's a good deal If he passed up on that He's fucking insane Dude he that's a great deal for him This is literally like A damn near Dennis order Like oh you You lost her on a bag type of choice

That's crazy that Should have turned that money down Yeah He says it wasn't true But I don't know A question never lie I've never seen a fake report On Twitter

There I do I do think that The Warriors At this point Yes it would be nice To have Especially if you're bringing in

in Al Horford, it would be nice to have some athleticism alongside the four or the other three guys who are also super old. However, you know, the vibes are just bad. And like, for all the things that you said, even if he is going to be there, what's he going to be like he's going to be in a bad move for the whole year? And we are in the twilight years of the Steph Curry, the Jamon Green era, all of this stuff. Do you really want to go out with bad vibes?

because the Kaminga like you know like it would be something different if we get to the end of the year and like Jimmy Butler is in a bad is in a bad mood and it's like okay we we took a swing we try to bring them in try to extend the the shelf life of this core but it just didn't work out but for Kaminga like I don't I don't think that's worth it so I if I were them yo at this point where do you want to go and we'll just we'll send you off we'll pack your bags right we got the we got the we got the black outside ready for you but like I don't I don't think the juice is worth to squeeze at this point and for him listen man just play this year out go to Brooklyn next year that I promise you to have spots open you you can score 20 in

Brooklyn yeah I hope they trade him because like I said it's very hard to evaluate this team with this big with swing factor because it'll be the same conversation we have every year where we'll have a couple weeks where Camigis three point shot is hitting and we know he can slash he's a legitimately great slasher that's a standout skill he has it's just the rest of it to build off of that hasn't really developed in any meaningful way but there will be a week with The season starts, he shoots 42% from three on five attempts a game for four games, and he's slashing off for that, and it's looking really good. We're saying, wow, that is the elite score they need off of their three veterans who are, like, ideally the playmakers, right? And the shooters and the shooters and he'll make perfect sense.

And then the shot won't fall for a week, and he'll play bad off ball defense, give up nonstop cuts, not hit the boards as strong as you want him to, miss passing reason the motion offense, and we'll say, what the fuck. Are we going to hope for the best or get him out of here? everything will be defined by him and that's without getting into the fact we don't know if we'll be there or not it's a messy situation I just wish there was like a real moment where he looked himself in the mirror

and like saw how limited his options are bro if your limited if your options are so limited and there's only like two teams that might want your your services your abilities and what the best version of you could potentially be something is entirely

fucked and you put your head down and like actually lock in and do things that make you the great locking the little shit though exactly you need to get to that point okay uh so what do you think about this proposed he's a 70 what's i think called the 75 hard oh yeah he's a 75 hard man what do you think about this trade idea that bleach report wrote up him sending him to the bulls sending john the camiga moses moody in a 2028 first round pick and the warriors get coby white and jaylon smith i don't know why the bull why the fuck would the bulls want to do this well because

I mean, you got a first-round pick. I mean, yeah, I understand why the bulls would do. If you're the Warriors, like, we're getting really, really small then. Like, if you ship out Moody and Cominga, you're tiny. Yeah, Kobe White's good, but, yeah, very small. I don't love, I never like the idea of pairing Steph Curry with another, like, point guard-ish type body. And I know Kobe White is, like, a off-ball player to some degree, be a combo guard. Defensively is what I mean.

Like, I never liked that idea of small guards. Like, even the Jordan Poole thing, like, there's a reason it didn't work out in the playoffs. And Jordan Poole, like, offensively was kind of, like, the perfect version of that. for Steph Curry. I don't like it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

they were when he was the same age as Ace Bailey. Ace Bailey actually let go of his agent. He fired. He fired at that. Sorry, Omar. Exactly. Next team is a vision.

Who has a Sacramento Kings? Not me. Thank. Thank goodness. It's not you. It might be you, Isaac. No.

No. Oh, no, I do. I thought I gave it to you. Who did I give you? Orlando Magic. Oh, okay. Thank God. I wrote, we'll breeze past the king

because I wrote, they did absolutely. One thing you know is they did absolutely nothing to change their team. They did not shit to change their team. I remember there was some point of the off season where DeMotta Sabo and it's like, had walked into the king's front office. He was like, what's the plan?

What are we doing? Yeah, he's like, what's the move of y'all? What we try to do? What's the vibes? And they're like, you see it. It's not changing. You already know. Yeah, that's the thing.

They're just continuing. Oh, you know, I saw this. I didn't know this until I listened to the Zach Moe podcast. They hired an assistant GM who used to work on ESPN and had an article where he said Zach Levine is not a winning player. He shouldn't be given the money he's given. And the Kings hired him. And they had to have a conversation between him and Zach Levine

to be like, it was all content, dude, it's all love. I want to play for you. I love you on the roster. I'm now helping manage. Capp. I promise you, they would trade him if they could. They clearly... He couldn't get moved.

Jesus Christ. But I'm like, what can they do? They still have. Zach Levine, they still have Sabonis. That's their team. They're still banking on Keegan Murray to be all the defense, all the spacing. Good Lord. They still traded their point guard and elevated Malik Monk, who was a very good secondary playmaker. It did not work well with him and Zach Levine as a main two ball handlers. Should be your point guard. Yeah, like, it just didn't work. Like, in the moment, I didn't hate adding Zach Levine's. I like Zach Levine paired with DeMonte

Sabonis. But when you have Malik Monk, DeMarz and Kiki Murray is the other members that Nucleus, it just does not work. Simply put, it will not work, no matter what they change, I think. On the perimeter, I mean, on the perimeter's the roster with small pieces around, and they decided we're rolling it back. So I can't even tell you one thing you should know because whatever you knew last year is what you know now. And so understand, you will win 34 games this year. Tough. That's, that, yeah, what is that? 34 and 48.

The team is on blowup watch, right? Like, they have to be. Do you hope? But what does that look like? What does a blow up even mean when you're this team? Like, trace a bonus for a couple first round picks. You can probably get two for some bonus and an interesting young player with some. salary filler, and then you get a first-on-pick for Zach Levine, you ride out to

Marta-Rosen contract. Would you do that at this point? That's the worst. No, no. If I'm, if I'm the Kings and anybody offers me a first-on-pick for in Levine, yeah, I'm taking it. I'm saying if you're anybody else, are you giving up a first-on-pick for a Levine? It's entirely dependent on- Yes, a first-on-pick, potentially, the contract is a harder part.

Like, that's obviously making it out, but if they happen to have another bad contract and can, like, exchange bad deals and give up a pick for Levine and they need it, I wouldn't hate that. But also, as I say that, it's a specific, ass scenario that there's only like a handful of teams that could possibly make sense for them. Yeah. The amount of team that you can think of that would be beneficial to having

some like sub bonus you can count on one hand, bro. And I don't even want to begin to think about the exercise because why am I doing work for the Sacramento Kings and they don't even use their own brain. You know, damn well, they're not even to do that move. They're going to do the complete opposite, bro. I mean, we could do it, but like we'll send the invoice. Yeah, an invoice

we'll be entering your email. We have billable hours to the Sacramento Kings from thinking about it. So yeah, it's just there's the definition of running it back again and seeing what sticks. They're in a weird, even more purgatory than ever been because they're just down one dear in Fox, so they're even less interesting than they were before, a swing and a miss that they're continuing to swing with.

I wish, I don't even want to skip this team. I want to give every team they're due today, even the worst ones. But I genuinely don't know what to tell you as a Kings fan. They didn't do anything for us to talk about. Who did they draft in the first round again? I'm forgetting. It was a wing, one of those wings.

Oh, it was a, he was a five. He played for a long time. There's an older wing. Oh, Nick Clifford. Yeah. Yeah, Jeff and Nick Clifford. Shout on Nick Clifford. Maybe you have another Keen Murray.

You have another big wing that's coming in. That could be interesting. Only so interesting when the nucleus is the player is on in early. I mean, shout out to Devin Carter. Like, he's finally healthy again, but what can you be on? Yeah. Like, you gotta hope that one of these guys like sticks out like a mug and just goes in and changes their lives other than that.

35 wings. Yeah, like shout out to Devin Carter. Interesting player. I'm glad he's healthy. Shout out Devin Carter's. Shout out, Devin Carter is all I can say about that. Exactly. Exactly.

Who next team? Los Angeles Lakers. The Pride and Joy, the Pacific Division. One thing you need to know about the Lakers is Luca Dodgers to sign his extension, and I think that will impact a lot of how they choose to make moves this year. Because obviously that loomed over their heads of like, we can't really go all in on building a Luka team until we know he's going to stay. Because worst-case scenarios, you trade out your assets and he walks, and LeBron's fucking

43, he retires and you have nothing to show forward for the next five years. That's not going to happen. he's here for the next three years at least no indication that he's unhappy it seems like he's fully bought into being a laker i think we're going to see this team make moves along the margins or even a big trade for like a wiggins type that they're the currently linked to we're going to start to see them really build a team in lucas vision this year you're going to see the playstyle moved more towards luka basketball because you know last year they did play through luka but it was a weird hodgepodge team they put together last second because he became available

out of the dead of the night this year i think it'll really see luka basketball be recognizable in the Lakers uniform. Yeah, it's, it's going to be really, really interesting, especially because you've had all of the, and I, so like, I agree with you. I think that obviously because you have a full offseason to, like, to have Luca in the building and have JJ Redick actually think about how, how you want to deploy things. You got DeAndre Aitin, right, you got a big man. But you've also had, once again, another very cryptic summer from LeBron.

And so everything. I typed in Luca and Lakers there. Twitter's crazy. And so, like, once again, you have LeBron doing all these things, sending all these tweets, having all these, like, commercials and whatnot. Yeah. And it lets you know, like, okay, clearly something is going on to where there is a power shift that's happening in the Lakers, and LeBron is doing the LeBron thing to still show

everybody like, hey, I'm still LeBron. I can still make calls and do all that. But I agree with you. I think like this is this is Luca time. And the one thing that like the one thing that Luca wants us to know is that I'm skinny now. Exactly. That's the one thing because we've heard that for the last, what, year and a half,

two years since the Celtics finals. And you have the men's health article. You have everything. You have the Eurobat. You have all of it to let you know I am in shape. I'm coming into this season ready to play. And if that happens and we finally. get from day one to the last day of the season in shape luca the lakers can be scary yeah yeah and

yeah so luka will look like luka again to some degree right i can i kind of buy that he is healthy he is in shape much of what we saw last year was recovering from injury and the impacts on his body that had i i do buy that that's a thing he's not just physically lost a step i kind of feel like he's going to be fine again and we'll look even 2024 he was slow and like out of shape but still average like 35 points per game so i think we'll get back to having a good version of luka We have a big man duo now that makes sense with him. DeAndre Aidan will be the finesse short role big that will dominate him. Do pick and pop in the mid range.

We'll be able to be a lob threat, but also makes him plays out of the short role. He is skilled offensively. We'll see defensively if he's able to be the anchor or not. TBD. But offensively, he will bring that skilled finisher pairing with Luca. Jackson Hayes is still there to be the meathead lob finisher next to Luca, which, you know, he elevates guys like that forever. So that duo of big man makes sense.

They have Marcus Smart coming in to be a defender next to him. They have secondary ball handlers and Reeves and LeBron, Ruey being a big wing there. They still got to figure out who the primary wing defender will be, a la Andrew Wiggins or whatever. But you're starting to see the archetypes you need next to Luca Donchich are going to make a lot more sense this season. Yeah, I almost forgot.

I don't know why, but I always forget that Marcus Smart is on the Lakers. It's probably because I forgot Marcus Smart exists in the NBA because they sent him out to Washington and his NBA career just like died and also there from or before Washington, he was in Memphis too. I think he's also going to be. like along with Neandre Hayden and how locked in he's going to be he's going to be a huge X factor he probably

he has a potential to like be the Andrew Wiggins of this team and just be a lockdown permanent defender potentially it's all just dependent on how healthy he's going to be and how consistent his shot which has been like the huge biggest talking point of his NBA career I think if he stays healthy he'll be a starter for them

probably and then and I'm hoping it can be like an Avery Bradley Ark where he comes in and gives him one good year next to their stars and like it makes sense he brings the defensive team needs the health thing though he's even more injury prone than all the guys you've named so if he's healthy i think it'll be great it'll make a lot of sense in the starting lineup yeah he'll probably be healthy for 42 games i honestly feel like this year could be the year we say this we've been saying this over the last three or four years where

luca's going to go ahead and win MVP i feel like everything is set perfectly for him to do that because he did go ahead and go on that generational PR on when it comes to showing showcasing that he lost mad weight he went on all these shows he he he's on the front cover of uh Men's Health magazine and all that. Like, I think everything's perfectly set aside for him to go ahead and just, like, showcase that he is genuinely the point guard of this generation. She had his moment. He had his time.

I feel like the storyline is, like, the best that it's ever been for Luca and propaganda. Yeah, now at this team, like, we'll get into it as a season goes on. Today's all about one thing you talk about, and to me that one thing is this team we made in Lucas image. We'll get into how we feel about this team, like big picture-wise as the off preseason goes on, they're being slept on a little bit. And I think what you just said is part of that. We're probably going to get another vintage Luca year where he's like one of the most dominant

players in the league. And I think people forget just how high of a floor you have when Luke is hitting on that level. Yeah. People are talking about them like they're just a cute team that still can't do anything. They're remembering the versions of them last year post deadline where they didn't have any bigs and didn't have a team that made sense. This team will make sense at the very least, whether or not the talent is capable of

giving them like a ceiling as good of any other team. I don't know, but it will make sense. and a team around Luca that makes sense, let alone having LeBron James, they're going to be a scary team. I agree. Who's next? What's next team in his division?

The Sons. Oh, the Sons. I got the Sons. Okay. So one thing that you need to learn, the most important thing that you need to learn and know for this season is that the countdown ticker for Devin Booker to be traded officially starts right now.

I watched a interview that came out last minute right before the show started. And of course, It was a Phoenix Sun's, like, most important dude, most famous dude, Matt Ispia. He went ahead and said that this past year, oh, my bad, he went ahead and said that when they were looking to move off of Kevin Durant, they looked at and thought as Dylan Brooks to be the target, the, like, linchpin that will go ahead and get this team together. That was the core of their Kevin Durant trade. Yeah, he said that Dylan Brooks is the target for them. And then Jane Greene is just a guy pretty much. He said he loves what Dylan Brooks brings to the court.

He loves the intensity. He's one of those guys that you love to have on your team. He loves his toughness. He said, that's who I am. And then he was like, yeah, bro. He was just going on as, like, random tirated, just, like, saying a whole lot of empty calorie words that don't mean anything. And I think this year will probably be the year where they go ahead and finally decide to move

off at Devin Booker. Devin Booker also said during some interview over the last few days, that the last two years of his career was genuinely some of the toughest. And this is the same Devin Booker who played on a squad with Dragon Bender and Marquis Chris. Bro, these two years are fucking help.

Buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. You thought playing with Kevin Durand, Bradley Bill was tough. Welcome to hell. Welcome to your fucking damn nation, buddy. This picture is crazy. Dude. In the past week, we've really locked in this

and started thinking about these teams the first time all summer. I was kind of like aghast when I remembered that Jalen Green is a co-star now. I'm like, $30 million a year. I'm like, this team is truly terrible. And they were terrible last year with Kevin Durant. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Now they did go ahead and try their best to improve based off with the Kevin Durant thing. And the draft, like, they did a great move in drafting, come on, Malawash. And also spinning back and grabbing up Mark Williams as well, which is a fantastic move. But still, like, the same issues prevail that was the main reason why the KD and Bradley Booker or Bradley Beal experiment did not work. You have no fucking lead guard, and you're making Devin Booker's life 10 million times harder and diminishing his value.

Also, Devin Booker keeps getting more and more Mexican as years go on. This is the most Mexican he's ever looked. Look at the goat's zebra. Dude, he looks so, this isn't even the best picture. There's some other picture that saw. Dude, he looks Mexican. He's like, that is my cousin. This is crazy.

Man, he looks stressed, man. You're 11. Through it. That's so crazy. crazy to think about it. I would be too. Dude, he looks like a baby on the left. He does. Completely hollow eyes.

Yeah. Not a bag in sight. Man on the right, he doesn't see some things, man. Yeah, he's going to see some more things this year. It's going to get spooky. We know, they have a new coach. They have a big representation that makes sense. I'm joking.

It's not a good roster, but yeah, maybe there will be more regular just by they have bigs. I can play defense. Well, rookie, so I don't want to put too much pressure on common right away. But the roster at least checks on boxes they didn't have last year. loses a gigantic box in that is they don't have the best offball score of all time on their team anymore

so they will be bad I don't know if it'll lead to a Booker trade or trade even maybe it's not a request it's just them booting him I feel like they're gonna send to do this lifer thing so I'm kind of just feeling like another year of wasted Booker

and I hope he gets his bag off I hope he gets his numbers off and plays a good for Devin Booker style of play this year I mean if that's the case then that just also means that they're going to spend the next They don't have control of their draft picks until the year, I think, 2032. So 2026, they don't have a draft pick.

Damn. 2027, 2028, 2028, 2020, I have a draft pick, but it's not theirs. 229, 20301, 2032 is when it finally resets. Have you heard anybody say the year 232 until just now? I've never heard that said out loud. That's a crazy year to be fucked until. How can you start planning your team and be able to have control of your, you know, your destiny until bro what are we even talking about right now this is like foolish and no

what bothers me too i can't even do any copium and like sell myself on a jailing green redemption i'm quick to sell myself on a redemption season i don't see what the team construction would be for me to have that hope with jalen green why would he perform better here than on eustin where he was like the primary ball handler and like you needed he's not needed on this roster and as as clear of a way yeah like they don't have the guard to set him up they don't have like a playmaking big man to go but it alleviate stress. They can't, like, elevate. Look, what we saw defensively from him last year,

genuinely good stuff. You're gonna be a lot more stress defensively here. Like, there's nothing here to help him at all. Tough, man. Jeez, man. Can't wait to see where he gets traded in February. Yeah. Go pair him with Kate Cunningham or something.

They'll probably be a good fit. Don't put that on, Kate. I mean, good with Cade. That would be good. No. It would be good for Jim and Green because Kate is nice to play with. I don't know if it would be good for Cade, but we'll see. a barring what happens to jaden ivy i don't know yeah

but yeah this team is weird and we'll see where it goes but weird ass team the weirdest team i think the word the saddest team all right is that the end of the pacific division that's every team all right 30 minutes per division this is going to be the longest episode we've ever had and i'm okay with that next division let's do donovan you pick

pick what your teams you want to do uh let's go with the southwest okay southwest division where we're going uh we will start with the houston rockets And you need to know that they don't have any point guards anymore. They do not. RIP, Fred Van Vleet. After Fred Van Vleet, after it was announced, he tore his ACL.

And you suddenly look at this roster that after you get Kevin Durant, you're like, wow, you have this team. You have your one veteran point guard who can handle the ball all the time. You have amazing defensive talent. The one thing that you needed last year was a bucket getter. And you got the bucket getter of a generation, of maybe history. you got the bucket-getter and now everything changes because this seemingly this this puts all the pressure on one or three things either one a man Thompson has to take a serious ball handling leap and his handle has to get insanely tight and he can run point but it's going to take him from being

this off ball guy to being the guy the creator reed shepherd who barely played last year and finally to be like hey guess what you are now the point guard for a team that has aspirations of winning a championship or three being aggressive in the trade market and going out and getting somebody and now using even more of your assets to go and replace this issue. The Rockets, this like, they could have withstood some of some, some injuries on the wing because they just have so many wings, even in their big rotation because they have Steven Adams, Sangoon, they have Clint Capella, they have all that. This is the one spot where they were very, very thin and this is the worst injury that they

could have had. 100%. Some Rockets fans are telling them. Listen, Fred Van Vleet is kind of washed. Last year he was chucking a lot of shots. I'd rather see Kevin Durant's shoot. I'd rather see Sengoon shoot. I'd probably rather see Amin' Thompson shoot.

Shit, I might rather see Jabari Smith shoot no shots. So they're telling themselves this isn't a big deal. And I understand that because he's not, probably shouldn't be one of the three best players in your team next year. A men should lap him, maybe already has in your mind. Whatever. I get that. But in terms of every box you check to have a competent offense, he is the only one that

checks that box on that team. This is a drastic, this is the most important fourth best player on any team, I think. Of any team has aspirations of winning a chip and being a real contender, this is the most important fourth option just because of everything you said with the lack of other options to do simple ball handler stuff. And what do we see the last few years of Kevin Durant's career? Him dying because he's playing on a team with no point guard where he has to be the lead playmaker. He's going back to 2022 when he didn't have Kyrie on the nets and he is running hell of picking roles being the lead guy. That's not what I want for 45 year old Kevin Durant.

Yeah. And even when it's like Devin Booker running point who, I mean like he could do this stuff, But Devin Booker, even him running point is you still have a, you still have a guard who commands so much, so much attention from the defense that you can still squint your eyes and maybe find a way. Like the real issue on top of all of like their fit or whatever was like, and let's add Bradley Bill and add another like redundant player in here. But like you can kind of squeeze it with, with book. You, again, you don't have it here.

Recheper did it play. Reischopper was in the G league last year. And all of the bright spots were like, hey, he took 36 shots in the G league yesterday because we're trying to build up his confidence. Now you have, now you have this window where, and regardless of whatever the rocket say, as soon as you trade assets and as soon as you like traded a guy that you took at the very top of the draft in Jalen Green and tried everything to make it work, the moment you ship him out of there and say, and bring in the 37-year-old in KD, you are on win now timing.

So you don't have time for, oh, Reed Shepard is going to, you know, take his lumps as a ball handler, as a playmaker. No, he has to be good right now if that's going to be the path to do it. And I just, that's just, that's unfair to ask of him. Yeah, and even if it is fair and like you, even if you are high on his offense and his ability to do that a year into his career, it makes their defense so much worse. He's little. And like, I can buy that he makes an offensive leap by simply being more able to handle the pressure of running point guard, his jump shot is good and that'll be a thing he gets off

the mid-range ability will be there he has some good paint touch ability kicking out as a passer like I can buy all that will happen he's tiny and they have good defensive infrastructure around him but the fact that that is your main guy

you have to play because of offense and now you have to deal with that defensive liability which maybe he won't be that in college he was a great turnover player he was a good defender but you know we're seeing every year now in the playoffs that

playing small guards is getting harder and harder and I can envision him getting to a point in his career where he's not a liability but in his first year in the playoffs in his first year in the rotation to have that much offensive responsibility like if he if he comes in and just does everything oh this is a top 10 player oh it's Alan Iverson okay so it's fine yeah even Alan Iverson I can pick

on the playoffs these days like it's tough to be a small guard yeah I 100% agree with y'all it's so unfair to ask something of like like to this degree to rechepard like year fucking one this was like bare moon like year two and this is even a stretch to a year two asking to be a championship level caliber point guard then it's like It's still a stretch. Needless to say, thankfully, like, this team in this front office has been run, ran smartly, and they've, like, made all the roundabout moves, and they have, like, an egregious amount of assets still. One of the most important assets in the entire NBA is that, okay, cool, like, they still have all their draft picks.

But the draft picks that moved the most earlier, I told you guys that Brooklyn don't have control of some of their 2027 draft pick. That's because Houston Rockets have that. they had they own that draft pick and on top of that too they also have the complete unprotected right to the phoenix's draft pick of the year 2027 which moves a lot and that's easily like one of the more tantalizing assets that the entire NBA could fucking offer so while i do think they probably should um like definitely give more opportunity to reach shepherd i don't think there's a trade or anything like that but i definitely do think that one of these assets are both of these assets need to be moved with quickness

because like you said you don't have a year just go ahead and wait on fervatively waiting on him to like come back or you can't wait

on reach separate to finally develop and risk him being potentially bullied and have insane playoffs and just fuck fuck all of that you have all these assets

for a reason use them yeah the only tough part is what money do they want to move to match so they're going to have to figure out some of the depth

you just brought in it's just a tough situation to happen before the season even starts because we can't even tell ourselves okay Reed can buy time Katie can be more of

a hand on there. A man can get those reps. We can buy time until everybody comes back. Losing him before the season even starts, like it really does feel to me like they're being stripped of their true contender status. Which, you know, if they go against somebody like you said, that can come back just as fast. But like, what are the alternatives if they don't make a move? Like all the things I said

will happen. They're going to have to play even more through the post through Sangoon and like utilize. They got to hope, but they got to pray for a Sangoon leap. Yeah. But even though it's easy to say that. Those guys will take the shots. Right. They have other guys like to take the shots. They'll put together like an approximation of good offense it won't be killing them and their ability to like

win games or anything but you we've seen these teams go up against these elite defenses specifically the thunder who they'll have to probably go through they'll make a finals the thunder prey on teams with bad passing talent up and down the roster look what happened last year when they played the nuggets and they knew that around yokitch one through four they're not going to have the ability to throw these entry passes to yokish in the post if any type of consistency when alice caruso is draped around Yokic and we have elite ball handling defenders like Kays and Wallace like J-dub like Dort applying pressure to the ball handler. Things start to unravel really quickly when you don't have the passers to get it to your main big man scores of types. So that's awkward. Amin Thompson,

like I've always had a vision for him as a point guard being this Uber athletic Rajlan Rondo type guy. His handle is so far from that. His ability to shoot over a screen when people go under is so far from that. He's going to have to be like a Ben Simmons type of slasher. And Ben Simmons he's joked on about a lot. He was incredible at utilizing the space defense is a lot for him as a slasher by Sagan off of him. Like, he's the very one of one

in the way he was able to be a point guard without a shot. I'm not going to assume a man can do that right away. I don't know what to bank on of all these maybes. I don't know which one I can bank on is being like, oh, this will solve it.

The bank on is, even like without the ball handling, the bank on is, no matter what the situation is, Kevin Oren is going to score 27 a night on 50% from the field, right? So you have that. And then, at least for them, you have, you have a tool that everybody try to copy at the end of the season, which is, hey, we'll just play Stangoon and Stephen Adams.

And we're just going to clean up every single offensive board because we're going to miss a lot anyways. And so you're going to have this weird, without Fred, obviously, everything is going to be weird if you don't make a move. So you're going to have this weird amalgamation of like tough middies from KD and offensive rebounds. It's going to, it's going to be like peak, peak, like deadball era type of. is that how we want to live again like i'm not gonna lie i mean you don't you yeah like if you don't make a move but like you don't have any other any of the option because how how many assets and how how much are we going to move because we already moved jalen green we already moved cam whitmore out of here also and so all of the young pieces that we want to keep that we want to develop

they're going to stay here you know yeah and that's why i'm like going back to what you said when it comes to like their offensive play style and all that like they're easily the most unique championship caliber team over the last like five six years easily like nothing about them makes sense and they just straight up get it out the mud and they're the best team to do that over the last at least especially last year yeah um and the only thing that makes sense when it comes to how they can get out of the situation is of course like going to the bank of draft picks but also you have to sacrifice a young player and the only player in my mind who is like worth doing that considering the potential that he still has and how like losing him

necessarily won't like hurt you too much at least currently right now in the state of your franchise is jabari smith like he has to be sacrificed there's no like real conversation i like i love him too didn't he extend him yeah so five one 25 can they change him for this whole year or is it i think i'm a january 15th type of thing it might be a january 15 type of thing yeah i'm not i'm not sure but yeah they they did just give him a bag which is like a good number but yeah everything everything for them is super weird but yeah i think overall it's just a tough situation to have it happen you know three weeks before the season started and now you feel kind of handcuffed yeah yeah and just like again they're not cooked like they're

still gonna be a good team it just feels like they're kind of capped out now as being the third best team in the conference after okayc in denver when once they got kevin around you're like oh so now they check all the boxes and they don't got to be this punch you in the mouth team they can play like sustainable regular high floor basketball without having to rely on gimmicks Yeah. And the game can take you far with the two big thing, but it just feels so deflating. I feel that. Next team.

New Orleans Pelicans. The one thing you need to know about the New Orleans Pelicans is Zion is skinnier than any man has ever been skinny in his goddamn life. He's on that zimpy. No. The HLP ones are kicking ass for John Oliveson. And you know what? Good. I'm buying it.

We've had Zion skinny arcs before. And there were always skinny relative to when he was gigantic. He's never been this skinny. He is legitimately in shape now. Like, he looks like 2012 LeBron. He is cut. Like, he looks like no longer good build for like a defensive end. He no longer looks like Callais Campbell.

And when he's skinny, he's like, oh, Colomack instead of Clayas Campbell. Yeah. No, he looks like an NBA athlete. He looks like a body type that makes sense for basketball. Bro, seeing how much weight he lost, I almost thought he was sick, man. I almost thought like, you know, some terrible news is on the horizon. Yeah. And you know, like, online, we got to.

to the point where it's like, listen, don't say nothing by anybody's money. You never know what they're going through. So I was like, listen, man, you're in shape, probably good. Yeah. I've actually... That jersey's baggy. He's never had a bag of jersey in his life. Not even at Duke.

That's also true. I've also rethought a lot about Zion. And again, New Year, listen, I'm here to say that I no longer think that the Pelican should move on from Zion. Stay on that side. Get out of here. Now, keep your whole ass over there. I will say the reason that I feel this way is because it is very clear that if you go into a rebuild,

Joe Dumars is not pulling you out of it. For what I have seen from Joe Dumas in the two movies, I have seen, I've seen a terrible draft day trade and I've seen a terrible press conference. I have no hope for the future for the New Orleans Pelicans. You keep Zion on this team and you keep any hope that you have. You sell yourself on a dream every single off season because, yo, the stuff that I'm hearing from Joe Dumars is legitimately scary. It's legitimately like, yo, what is this front office thinking?

What is the thought process of it? Because to trade an unprotected first round pick to trade that on draft night. And then before the season start, they'd be like, yeah. So like, how do you think that the season's going to go? Like, you know, playoffs? And he's like, yo, what? We're not really made That's not really the goal right now

We're just trying to build up our vibes And it's like well then why would you trade away Your pick for next year If you're not trying to contend right now They asked him if he said in expectations The playoffs are bust And he was like He tried to be political and be like

No we just go day by day We don't want to set expectations And have anything in our mind It's all about getting better today And putting our team in best school We gotta make sure we play hard Yeah Fuck off you better make the playoffs

You just trade the first round pick And people are looking at you crazy You better say we're ready to make the playoffs I understand the political stance he's trying to take with the team to not be the guy that puts pressure on that team. You better put pressure on that team. It's exactly what they fucking need. They're talented.

They have a bunch of good players. They have been unreliable and unsurious for reasons that I think are professionalism in many ways. Like you better put the pressure on them. It's okay. You can put pressure on Zion. He deserves it. What is the point of having an old hand in charge if he's not going to come in and be

Mr. Olhead and be and be Mr. we're running suicides every day you show up to class in a suit and tie you sit in the front seat like why are you here 65 year old man like i need you i need your 1980s bad boy pistons mentality of we are going to fight and scrap every single day we're going to be the most condition like the pelicans if you are not operating like you are the miami heat and like you are going to be the hardest working team and we're going to make the playoffs and we're going to fight and do all this other stuff what are we doing here it's it's so so scary i don't know me personally I like what Joe Martin is doing.

I like his thought process. John Williamson, keep on getting healthier. You know what? I love to go. I love what I'm hearing right now because, of course, if you know me, know a little about me. I'm the beneficiary of the New Orleans, Pelicans, pain, your agony. I love it all. Keep on going.

But yes, I'm on the skinny. And that's what you need to know. And however that impacts your thought about the Pelicans, I think it's probably fair. Either way, either you don't care. As you said, I've seen the story before. Okay, fine. Maybe you'll still get hurt. being skinny isn't a full-proof way to have good knees

when you've been dealing with lower body injuries for your whole career, but also it's meaningful. I think we've seen areas where we get skinny. He's had really the past four years. It's been one year he'll play 60 games or more, one year where he's destroyed by injuries. We're going back and forth, back and forth, and what do you know? Last time we had the skinny arc was two years ago

and he played 60 games exactly. So I think there is clearly some type of linkage here between him being in shape and his body holding up, him getting the best of himself on both sides of the court. clearly it says something about the work ethic state you know there's always the personality-based issues

with John Williamson as well and how serious he takes his craft and whatnot this isn't a bad sign maybe it's not a foolproof he's serious now but it's a step in the right direction if we're gonna get good Zion

that's healthy and serious and all about being a leader and all this stuff it's easy to sell yourself on the vision of this team once again being a playoff team yeah so you're absolutely right we're on check for a good

I'm saying I'm not saying I'm going to predict it but you can sell yourself yeah so Zion Williamson over the course of his career has played 20 games, 60 games, 29 games, 70 games, 30 games. He could, it sounds like this year he could go ahead and crack 65, 70 games. No, all I'm hearing is that the pattern persists, 60, blank, 70, blank. We're playing 80 games this year, exactly.

Look, yeah. And if that's the case, all NBA, put your Zion Williamson MVP votes in right now. I will say it, most of the time you get these quotes of it feels good to feel good. I haven't felt like this since college. most of the time dudes are like 30 whenever they're saying this he's 25 I know most of the time is because they had a crippling Achilles injury or a crippling ACL injury not they lost weight because of discipline there was nothing wrong with him yeah yeah it feels good to be controlling my athleticism again to feel as that sounds like your jk. Dobbins and you're okay daubbins and you're Clay Thompson yeah he's just got skinny you're 25 he's the same age as us I think he's younger than us yeah that's hilarious I get him imagine saying that that's fucking hilarious I feel good to be in control of my body he is

a year and or like just under his birthday is July 6th okay so he's like 10 months younger than us yeah well yeah well he's like three days what I guess before you then he was born in 2000 yeah like a year and three days before you yeah okay so

damn man wow so also he also doesn't help along with like bro he's moving like he's kind of unkis his goate too that go-tee mustache comedy it connecting definitely makes you look older Oh no but thank God you did this though This is so much better than the beard he had last year

Oh yeah remember he had that beard Yeah He put some glue and rubbed his face in the carpet And it is stuck This looks so much better It does His aura is through the roof compared to last year Now it does look like he can fix a carburetor

But for sure I hope he can You can diagnose the shit out of your car Show some value to the household Like that Yeah we'll see where that goes But feels probably feels this is a good day to be as I'm Williamson fan.

Hell yeah. All right. Next in this division, Spurs. That's me. What you got? I got a stat for you. Okay. Give it to me.

Last year, they were eighth in threes attempted, but 20th in percentage of a three-point percentage. And I say that because obviously for a lot of teams in the league, the three-point shot is going to unlock what they want to do. They have three guards. in terms of Stefan Castle, General Harper, Deerrin Fox, who Fox had a great year shooting like two years ago. Last year he had the finger injury,

but I want to see him as a shooter. I want to see Stefan Castle as a shooter. I want to see Denna Harper and his shooting ability. Wembe, we already know about his shooting. But you have guys who are slashes and you need space to slash efficiently. And that space comes from people with knocking down shots. And so they clearly took the shots,

but we're not going to respect you right unless you are making those shots so i like the fact that already they have an offensive philosophy kind of identity of hey we know we do have to prioritize taking threes and making threes to really open everything up and and allow our combo of fox and wemby to really take off that is a good sign however this year if they actually want to take that leap one of fox castle harper that three is going to have to fall yeah so the shooting is obviously a big portion of that but in general like the one thing you know i think is they have a weird construction of a lot of talented guards and they got to figure out all assets of using them

yeah all facets i mean because obviously the spacing is one thing the playmaking had a maximize castle while not minimizing fox who just give a big deal to that's going to be a weird thing making castle into a i'm not castle uh yeah i said castle but i really meant to say the other one the third one harper yeah so then also throw castle into that on top of harper like three guys that can do things the ball on their hands who do you go off a ball while not neutering the other defensively how are you going to utilize Harper in year one can we close games with him and Fox defensively like Fox is a solid defender I don't want him to I want him to be the worst defender on my roster ideally in my closing lineup I feel like you because you have Wemby you

can probably get away with a little bit more yeah other people do yeah so you certainly can yeah so maybe there's a world with that where that does work um but also like let's just see if people can can hold up most definitely yeah so the other question there is like can Castle would be a small forward in the way he's used pretty often. Is that going to work like people want him to be? Like everything's just like, can these guys slot into these weird roles? That maybe isn't the best case scenario for them. Yeah, I can easily imagine a world in scenario where one of these young guards are going

to be, or one of these guards is going to be upset. It's not going to be Daniel Fox because he is the guy. He's a guy who they traded assets for, whether or not they're important assets. He traded assets for him. They invested in them, like you said, gave him a humongous extension. I can envision someone like Stefan Castle being deprioritized because he is more scalable because he has the ability to, he's the strongest out of that group, the biggest out of that group, the most are one of the more athletic out of that group too.

But like he said time and time again throughout the entirety of his career or less, what, two or three years dating back to when he was in Yukon, that he is a point guard. He wants to have the ball on his hands. Sorry, buddy. He said that time and time again, even when we interviewed. interviewed him. He's like, yeah, bro, like, I didn't want to have the ball, man. I am a point guard. And they said, fuck that. We're going to go ahead and trade for a point guard, actual point guard. And also talk to that, too, we're going to draft another one.

Sorry, buddy. You're a stretch four. Like a super fucking, brooky, bro. So it's like, we need to mention Devon Vassel. You are a stretch for, Stefan Castle. No, like, you know, the shooting from those three, it legit has to be good because, because, like, you still have Sohan that you have to fit into the mix. Carter Bryant, who you drafted is a demon, but we have no idea how that shooting is going to go. And so all of these

lineups where you have your bigger ranger defenders and people who can theoretically cover up for your guards, that's good. But if the guards can't shoot and these rangy wings can't shoot, now you have Wembe who's about to turn into Anthony Edwards and have to take 10-3 the game and shoot 40% just to make, you know, the

space and make any lick of sense. that's a tough situation so there's a lot of pressure on on those three guys specifically and obviously you know vassel has to as to do what he what he does but like they shots have to they have to go down because already inherently just because of you have three guards it's already weird so you guys have to figure out a way to to make it work four guards we keep again can't forget devil mcel who's like one of their highest paid players like it's just a wonky roster that clearly has a ceiling like carter bryant as the three and d guy in the middle of all these things great step in the right direction now you have luke cornet you can put some wemby at the

five and wimby at the four that could be interesting with lu cornet there now who is a very capable role player in some high strength ways like he's a really good role man that can make plays out of the short role very good rebounder like that's adds an interesting element next to wemby who can obviously flex to the perimeter a little bit they've made a lot of progress in building towards being a really good roster there's just equally as many questions to figure out with the talent fit yeah and honestly we're saying all these things this is going to end up in a trade. Oh, 100 people. Yeah, they have to. They have to. Somebody has to trade. Who's going to prove? This is like an open tryout. This is like a juco. We're going to see who gets to stay on the roster. This is

last chance you. Yeah, this is last chance to you. Who's going to earn it? And I seem like people on Twitter are like assuming that like Deer and Fox isn't long for this team. And they're like, people are like talking about it like it's a bad contract immediately. That's ridiculous. I'm like they just gave him the contract. I promise you they don't, they don't view it as a bad contract at all. Like they want him to be on this team for at least the next two years. So it's not going to be him despite people wanting to jump that conclusion because they just love the untap potential the young guys. So who is it going to be?

Probably Devin Vassel. Probably Sohan. Maybe both. I don't know. I think I'm leaning towards Stefan Castle. Devon Vesel is also a strong candidate as well.

Trading Castle? Yeah, that might end up happening. Maybe not this year. But I can't do him as like a six man though. He makes sense of the six man long term. Devin Vassel. Will he be happy about it, though? Who gets a fuck?

He's not going to play like he's happy. They have seven years of team control. Who gives a fuck if he's happy about it? Like, they're nowhere close to that car. He's not in that type of. tier to be talking about is he happy about he's not but we've seen role players go ahead and demand trade right well then if he's if he's half but i promise he'll be traded to a team that is not trying to win games because no team that yeah have fun in utah yeah exactly exactly no team that's

serious is gonna be here and i'm unhappy being a six man from a second year player and vassel you had your chance like they gave vassel the extension before and like whenever he signed the extension everyone was like yo that's kind of a lot of money for devil and you had opportunity. Different percent was the number one option. That's why they got Wemby. Because the team, because the team was bad. Like, they were out here tanking because he was out here at the top guy.

But you had your chance. And so, like, yeah, if you don't want to fit into what we're doing, all right, cool. Like, go, go have fun in the Rocky Mountains or something. It would be fine. All right. Who has the Dallas Mavericks? Also me. This is my division.

Who is your team? What is one thing when you know about this interesting team with Cooper Flag? know that Daniela Russell's on this team Nice That's actually crazy And it's actually very key Because there seems to be like a low key push Especially after you got Cooper Flag

Because people try to You know squint their eyes And tilt their head After the Luca trade and say Oh they could still be competitive With AD and Kyrie and all this stuff And then Kyrie goes down And so now that you have Cooper Flag in it

It's like oh Kyrie AD Cooper Flag This team could be dangerous they could be sneaky guys karee i i know he just posted the video of him taking jump shots he's not coming back until mid until like minimum like january february yeah apparently he's ahead of schedule on this thing so we can say january is like a good yeah but like he's the first three months of the season he's not going to be there and so you have this team with cooper flag and with ad both of who are not primary ball handlers or primary creators for everybody we can we can hope that

Cooper Flag eventually gets there, but obviously a lot of pressure to put on a rookie to come in here, especially at his size and his kind of game to be the guy. So Delo being that point guard, while Kyrie is still rehabbing and coming back, it's going to be good enough. And in terms of his shooting, his playmaking, it's going to be good enough of a floor to where AD can still get his game off. We can have a situation where Cooper Flag can come in and just be, you know, super soldier role player but also start developing i i like what they're cooking for the first half of the season with delo and then if kairi comes back and he is you know kairi a ring which i honestly it's a it's a long shot for somebody that aids this injury whatever but there's a there's a path

where like this team could could be the actual sneaky team whenever karee comes back because of delos presence and because they do have a point guard yeah i agree i feel the conversation with them is pretty simple um they're definitely one of them underrated sneaky teams because when you think about the when the average fan thinks about the Dallas Maverick you think this team's in hell you think this team has nothing to go for you think this team lost all this like hopes and dreams when in the reality Anthony Davis is still there and he clearly like still has a lot love juice in him even at this older age than he is than he was previously you have Cooper flag who his game projects to be super productive day one

even if his shot may not be necessarily or even if like the tertiary skills when it comes to his passing and whatnot may not be perfect. He's still going to be a damn good player because you just have like a good formula that will like roll you into wins naturally. Yeah, they're an interesting team trying to figure out what their

floor and ceiling is because you could be extremely high on them or you could be extremely low on them and kind of understand both arguments just with all the questions in the air and like how unknown flag is as a day one contributor just because like I said it could be extremely good and he could be one of the biggest impact rookies right away we've seen in years

or you can be a rookie in its time and that could completely change our timeline in terms of year one. But this defense though should be really good. It's defensive. Flagg, AD, lively, PJ Washington, like,

yo, we got some stuff here. Yeah, yeah. They're good. So I guess the one thing you know about them is TBD. They will be the most interesting team in the conference. They will decide a lot of standings

based on where they are. Yeah, yeah. Grizzlies, last team is division. Oh, I got them. Wow. That's crazy. no it's uh the memphis grisleys we all had our list of pre-playing no no it's crazy no it's crazy because i forgot they existed like there's nothing that's been happening with them the only piece

of news that you need to actually know is that zach 80 is not going to be there to start up the year yes and naturally because of that and also because oh shit like they actually did go ahead and trade away doesn't vain they don't have their like glorified locked in 20 point per game score 18 point per game score anymore so there's going to be in between things when it comes to the rookie that drafted this past year and G.D. Jackson as well. They're going to rely on a lot of internal growth and they're probably not going to come out to a fast start to roll this year because Zach Edy, he had, I think, an ankle injury, which required surgery at the top of the offseason. And now he's probably going to miss like the first two months of the regular

season. So definitely worth knowing. And one thing that maybe you forgot about is they have a new coach who coached them at the end of last year after they fired Taylor Jenkins. They retained him. this will be the first year he has a full off season to enact his entire vision. And he was there before. So maybe he played a part in the vision. So it won't be a seismic change. But I promise you there will be new things about this team.

We'll see new utilization of their top two players, especially with Zach Eadie out. I'm guessing that means they're probably going to start Jared Jackson at the 5 to start the year. Because I don't know who else would step into that role quite as smoothly. So you'll see Darren Jackson at the 5. There'll be a 5-out spacing team to start the year.

We'll see what the spacing is like without Desmond Bain. but overall like you said yeah the main thing is internal development will be the theme of this season yeah I agree I hope Gigi Jackson makes a leap this year I wanted it last year after a strong rookie season I don't even I know he was hurt to start the year

I feel like I just have like a brain hole what the fuck happened to Gigi Jackson last year like I don't even know if it was good or bad I just don't remember watching Gigi Jackson last year all of Memphis feels that way about the entire season what a weird year for them with the whole Taylor Jenkins thing and the Jama rant issues

and fixing it and weird ass year man they just lost a year of their history. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But hey, it's well worth in considering, like, all the assets that you got back through the Desmond Bain trade. So it is what it is. And one thing I guess that's keep in mind is they did get those assets in Disman Bain trade. They'll probably be on the trade market this year throughout the season.

Yeah, for sure. They'll be buyers at some point with those new assets because they're not punting on this era, right? They're retooling around John Morant and around Jared Jackson. Getting rid of Descent Bain was this trio is too expensive. and doesn't bear enough fruit. So we're going to kick the can on Desmond Bain. Be a little bit worse to start next year, but we have these assets to find whatever our new third guy is.

Or maybe it's a third and fourth guy. They get two cheaper players of those assets. Whatever may be, I'll be shocked if they don't make a move at the deadline or even before them. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just curious to see how they start. Probably kind of poorly, which is everyone considered. They're going to start.

They don't have no big. Yeah. Probably maybe a little 500 start. But I'm not poorly in a way that's like going to ruin them. Well, they got four first round picks. And obviously, like, there's like, protecting. We forgot it was four. Yeah.

They got a boat load of shit, bro. Yeah, moves will be made. Southeast Division. Miami Heats. One thing you need to know about them, Tyler Hero's already hurt. And it's kind of similar to the thing with the Grizzlies. How is like an impact the start of their season?

Because that's going to be a big thing. Now they have Norm Powell and they still tear Roger, barring investigation. He's expected to start the year with that team. So, I mean, bringing in Norm Powell, he can kind of just replace what Tyler Hero is doing in a short-term thing to start the season. But division there, which we have both of them.

Because last year, we know they couldn't really do anything of merit just because their shot making was so depleted, posting me about their losing him as a playmaker. It was just Tyler Hero and Bamadabio and a bunch of guys. So I think the vision for this team now will be Hero and Norm Powell is a, like, impact scoring duo. And you kind of take away some of that burden off of Bam out of Bio to be a go-to-score, which was ugly as fuck, to put it lightly, and watching him take mid-range jumpers. So now you have two ball handlers that can run a screen, do all their off-ball actions, and get Bam rolling downhill again. I kind of like understand what they're going for with that duo. Without a hero, it's going to be an ugly start to the season. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of pressure on Yakutu.

This is going to be a whole lot of pressure on like all the other guards. That's the last rookie I want to put pressure on. That is the literal last rookie in this first round that I want to put pressure on. They're definitely going to have like the 27th like best ranked offense in the entire NBA without Tyler Irrubrow. It's going to be nasty. Yeah, for sure. The playmaking talent is not there. I don't really have a silver lining

honestly it's gonna be a rough he's not gonna miss that much time I think he'll probably miss like the first month we'll see where as we get updates throughout the training camp it's gonna be a rough start of the year and you're just gonna just hope that like Kaliloha looks really good

and bam looks better and like maybe they can float around 500 and get some sneaky wins and Norm Powell 30 bombs but overall just like I would say I'd be prepared for a very very ugly first month of heat basketball

yeah that's Norman Powell 30 bombs to save your season Well, I'm low-keyed. No, Norman Pauilth 30 Bones are kind of reliable. He damn near made the All-Star team last year in the Western Conference. Like, if there's going to be a role player to rely on in the absence of Tyler Hero, Norm Pau is not the worst name.

Yeah. But in terms of playmaking, oh, yeah, that's the part. That's the part. Tyler here is basically your point guard. He is your best placer, which already isn't a good spot to be in. So imagine what it's like without him. You better pray that, Yakutjona says day one impact. I can promise you he won't be day one impact.

I can promise you need to be patient what Yakichot is. He will be the rookie you need to be patient with. That's some really performance was abysmal. He needs time to develop his game and his body. He had a couple good games. Great. It's got a couple of games. I don't like that.

Orlando Magic. What is the one thing people need to know about the magic? Oh, so I got their Orlando Magic. The one thing that you need to know, it's really two things. Bright side. Okay, we got Desmond Vane. You need to know he's going to be chucking the motherfuckers. He's going to be taking 10 threes a game, 9th years a game, bare minimum.

Because this team is still very much the same. he changes everything and i think he definitely will help show the brighter spots of paula bankero who's someone a star in this league an ascending star who people feel very polarizing about he's going to make everyone's life easier he's going to make jane's life so much easier as well they're not going to ask him to be the lead guard averaging like fucking six threes a game or whatnot like no so much pressure is going to be relieved but also on the other side of things is that during the summer of course we all know like there's a whole lot of overseas basketball played and we saw all the overseas stars play

as well in the euro basket specifically in the euro basket it's important to know in the back of your head that franz wagner shot 28% from three that is not good at all and that is genuinely terrifying so you're going to go ahead and hope and pray that doesn't bank can change this offense and you're going to open pray that's the euro basket is just a euro basket the top of threes that he, that I'm not going to sit down and lie to you tell you that I watch a Eurobasket because I'm not doing that. Dude, somebody commented.

There's like the top comment on this episode is I wish I would have did an episode about Eurobasket. Bro, if I talk about Eurobasket, I'd be talking out of my ass. Yeah, I'm just not going to sit here and lie to you and tell you I'm watching the NFL. I'm in the lab when it comes to other asses. That's how you know, you need to be tapped in

when it comes to us on other side of things. No forces into the Eurobasket side of things. But yeah, Franz Wagner, I'm very, you should be worried about him. Definitely be noticing. is this like this last chance to you for the Franz Wagner Palo Barrow

Well what the hell did I say Franz Wagner Palo Bancaro duo I'm gonna save my takes For our next episode But hey man It's definitely on watch I will say that The one thing you know is they gave them the shooter to help

We will see how much it helps Exactly But pay attention to how much Pay attention to how much Desmond Bain helps Because exactly The impact of Desmaine Whether it's enough or not enough To offset these two

And their play styles conflicting, lack of spacing, whatever, all you know, the things that hurt this team offensively, Desmond Bain's impact or lack of the road will decide the next big question we have for this team. Also, is it the Eurobasket they play by fever rules? The three-point line is shorter. He still shot like shit?

Now, apparently with what I saw, he did get a lot of grenades thrown his way, less many shots, and a lot of the threes that he did take weren't necessarily, like, open. So, I don't know. I didn't see. the actual place was going based on what I saw

on Twitter and shit, so news to say 20% is not good regardless. Yeah, so one thing you knows, Desmond Bain is here and it will help, but I guess what I'm hinting at without getting into the other conversation, it's not a fix-all. So I would say a lot of people are going to talk

about this like, they got Deson Bain now, they're going to go from 27th and offense of 10th. This is the year. They'll be a good leap. I'm putting them number two in the Eastern Conference. I would hesitate with treating Desmond Bain like he's the instant perfect spacing type of guy. No one player has that much impact Unless you're Steph Curry

Or maybe prime Clay Thompson Without Steph Curry could have that kind of impact Desmond Maid's not that It'll help KCP wasn't making shots last year He also wasn't getting helped off of So Desmond Bayne will help their shooting And they're scoring

Because he'll make more shots than KCP made But he won't make their spacing Be like next level by himself, you know And also I think a lot of the pressure Also falls on someone like Jamal Mosey as well Who we think is a good coach can be a great coach in the league one day but it's all he also like

it's damn rare like litmus has to see how creative offensive coach he can be and how he can like create space off of lack of spacing. I've actually never seen a coach duck as much criticism as Jamal Mosley. I don't think most NBA fans have a single opinion about Jemal Mosley. I feel like he's just like an idea

in people's heads of like scrappy young coach they defend well their offense is terrible year on year out and like nobody talks about the fact that maybe they could get more out of that with better coaching. Yeah, he's, it feels that way because the magic have, the magic's offensive issues have like preceded Jamal Mosley. And so it's like, this is an institutional thing to where it's like, you know you can be higher than like the 20th best offense in the NBA.

But that's also like, you talk about like the arc for a lot of these young teams where it's like you go from this trash team to the young scrappy team and we win games based on defense and just trying hard. The next evolution is being a more. balanced team to where you don't have to rely on on your defense being the most tenacious every single night and that just hasn't happened and when you have guys like fronds like palo who have good offensive talent there's no way that year in and year out you shouldn't have one of the the 65 like you shouldn't be in the 65% title of offense you know yeah we'll see man

my son to monitor just keep in mind doesn't bane doesn't fix everything on his own and i think people will treat it that way. You will hear conversations or people say Desin Bain here, no more issues and then they'll be shocked if they start off

28th in offensive rating for the first week. And just don't be shocked. There's still stuff they've got to figure outside of Desermain. What is one thing people need to know

about the Washington Wizards? Oh, that's me. Billakul Wali underwent surgery and he's going to miss some time at the top. And I think that that is interesting. One, because obviously you're taking away time

from his development, but the wizards, they have a lot of guys. in terms of their young core. And so you have, like, you traded, one, you traded away Jordan Poole, but Cam Whitmore is here. Maybe he needs some more time. Maybe Bilal needs some more time. For audio listeners, he stopped because I pulled up Bilalqulabali's Eurobasket numbers.

And my God, this guy was stinking it up. I had no words. I just had, look at you, my John Charles. Jesus Christ. Oh, six points. 21% from the three point line, 41%. Eurobassos don't mean not, it don't mean too much to me

because Dennis Schroder won MVP and shit. So it's like, whatever, bro. No, but no, but he is like legitimately a demon in international basketball. Like, that's who he is. Yeah. Either way, outside of a bala. And honestly,

makes it kind of, you know, quote unquote, nice for the other players. You brought in Cam Whitmore. You drafted Trey Johnson. You have AJ Johnson. You have Alexar. You have Kashan George. You have Bub Carrington.

There's a lot of guys. You have a lot of guys that you are prioritizing development. And so maybe that injury gives you just a little bit more space to give people time to develop. Because even on top of that, now Chris Middleton is also here. C.J. McCollum is also here. And you are theoretically probably going to play C.J. McCollum so that you can train him at the deadline and get more assets and continue your rebuild. So he has to have enough minutes. So it really is a log jam. And so I'm really interested in how they debby up the

minutes because I think like they have a lot of talent. And obviously you pick Star 1st overall two years ago. He has to start, you know, be showing that he was like worthy of the number one overall pick. It's just a lot going on over there in the rebuild. Yeah. I guess one of the things you need to know, there's like a bigger picture thing. There's adults in the building now. And that'll really that'll impact a lot about this team, I think. Will there be mini-distribution? Like you said, how much are they going to play? All those

veterans being in their building now, they got rid of Brockton so it's one less, but they still have C.J. McCollum, Chris Middleton. Will Riley? Like, that's... And if there's one more veteran, I'm forgetting. I don't know. Maybe it's just those two. But either way, those two are in the building now, and that will be players that they'll play through because those guys aren't good enough to, like, make them win games and it'd be, like, a deterrence

to their tanking methods, because their pick is top of protected. So they do so need to be a bad team. But playing through those guys will hopefully help Alex Saar get fed higher quality shots. And we can see him make some kind of development and not be the most inefficient big men in the entire NBA, bar none. That would be nice to see. Ditto for Bilalculabali, who was massively disappointing to me last year as somebody who had a lot of stock. I'm broke now. I'm fucking in poverty because of Bilalcula Bali. I would like to see that return some value. Trey Johnson is an amazing offball player. Nice that you can play next to C. Jim McCollum is more of a playmaker to set him up. Send to Will O'Reilly, all these guys.

playing through these veterans will help them a lot I think and we'll see them play some serious basketball facts so yeah yeah that's what you need to know about Washington I couldn't imagine like better veterans to have other than Seid McCollum and Chris Middleton those are some good vets yeah yeah those are some they got a good head on their shoulders between those two

yeah exactly guys who came the fuck out of nowhere and have a good head on their shoulders Seed McCorm never made an all-star but you know he's an all-star like at his peak was an all-star caliber player in the Western Conference have seen some things God doesn't meet

a battle might be a fair you know thing of his thing but you had but you had the players association president

on your team that's great you got you got Mr. President good job exactly what is one thing people need to know

about the Atlanta Hawks oh surprise surprise I got the Hawks we're about to be halfway through and we're two hours and we got to speed up

holy fuck there reminds it's to be a five hour show at this I know this is hilarious so the one thing that you need to know

about the hawks is that they will have, for the first time, in a long time, an elite offense. Another thing that you need to know about the Hawks is that they're going to be continuously preying on the downfall of their Norrance Pelicans, based off of what you said earlier when it comes to Joe Dumas situation and how he's, how he has low expectations for this team. We have complete control over their 2026 for a strong pick, and they are not projected to be elite or one of the better teams in the Western Conference.

So, yeah, we're praying on their downfall And we have a great team for the first time We have spacing, we have good defenders, Jalen Johnson's healthy again We're going to be good And we are gunning on a weaker Eastern Conference this year, so Yeah, well, I guess one thing also

Yeah They are a huge team This will be one of the biggest teams in the league When Chris Osperts were thinking this is healthy The fact that you have him on Yekah Did you see him during the Eurobasket? He was a fucking demon. No, I didn't.

Stop asking for your aerobosk! I saw a watch. Geez, he was a demon. So quit asking. No, he was great. Yeah, dude, he was a demon. He looks healthy. He was moving, bro.

Undisclosed illnesses are no longer ailing him. Yeah, he looks straight now. Well, that's good. I hope it maintains that way. I hope there's no more undisclosed and disclosed illnesses. So if he's there, a great pick and pot big with Trey, that is going to be potent. You add in Onyke, who's promising. Starting to show some promises a role man can obviously do some high post passing stuff, a solid passer.

That is an interesting dichotid. of skill sets between the stretch guy and the how'd he describe one yet? I wouldn't say roll man but non-stretched big who has his own skills and jalen johns has a slasher playing next to both those guys the huge defenders in dyson daniels risa shay and um

getting to kill as well and the war coming off the bench too yeah six or five defender there like this team will flank tray with size which we've been talking about for two years has been like the new ammo of this team since they've kind of retooled when they brought in the new regime and got rid of d'jante it's kind of been how do we surround him with big offball players.

This is kind of the completed product now. Yeah. Our GM genuinely changed, again, our broke ass life. And this is the best team that, on paper, the best team that Triang has ever had. Yeah, he has like two all-star level talents or like sub-all-star level. And Chris Thompson and Jalen Johnson,

however you want to quantify those guys. Yeah. He has two of them. That can be like legit needle movers and then a slew of defenders. Like, they have everything they need to be a top four seed. Exactly.

Expectations should be kind of high. Exactly. So yeah, one thing you know, treat the hawks seriously expect a lot from them and if they suck slander them nothing to say what is one thing people need to know about the charlotte hornets they need to know that in the last three years lamella ball has played 36 games 22 games and 47 games last year this is your franchise player that you have no idea if one he is going to be on the on the floor or two he is actually a reliable player that you can build your franchise

around hopefully this year you have it you have enough games to finally figure that out that is that is what that is what you need you need to know also you need to know that there's the centers on their team are mason plumley and ryan cockburner you're skipping the goat diabette oh yeah yeah i think he's gonna be the starting center oh yeah he's not bad there's a few games i caught last year where i was like wow this guy sucks but then everybody's telling me he's good so i'm like i got to catch him on a good night yeah obviously the second half the season i was watching them less for obvious reasons and i saw a lot of people that were watching them more saying he's good and i'm like i gotta pay attention this guy that started next year because apparently diabate has some shit to him. Yeah, I did forget about that. But yeah, your your franchise Cornerstone and everything that you're building around, you have no idea. You're skipping the most important part. He has even more tattoos. How do you even get more tattoos? I don't know, but he has a, he's a lot of red tattoos. He looks like a 2K character. It's all black and

white. Then he has a bunch of splashes of red. I'm out. He's rare. I'm out. What does it say? Does it say Dade? Says rare. Oh, rare. Yeah, it's like, it's like half red. Yeah, I just saw the red and I thought I said Dade. I'm like, he's off of Florida. Oh, man. I mean, what is this? He has some red shit on his wrist here. I don't know, what's that Asian letters?

Or touch is blood dripping, whatever that is. So all very tacky. Flames, brother. This is B, what is this? E-S-T, I can tell. Oh, probably best. Our friends over, our family over. I don't know what the fuck.

So I'm not even going to try to get that game. He's got the cross on his neck, which is insane. With these leaves here, that horrible tattoos. Whatever this is right here, I can tell. S-U-L-S-O-L. Oh, I don't know what's going on, but let's not play this game. I'm not trying to discover a man. Y-O.

Oh, he said, left side says B-E, so B over here, it's something else to finish it. I'll get, I'll get you tickets to Lamello coming to Chicago so you can go ahead and do your body investigation. Yeah. Either tickets to bodily investigate Lamello. That's what you do right now, brother. Let's move on. I don't want to see this anymore.

Oh, there's more angles. You can probably get some better views here. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Let's get to the bottom of this shit. All right. Don have you got the cord. Oh, it says B-U.

Oh, look at that. Spreading positivity. Guys, I'm out. Love yours. I'm out trading years. Yeah, I like you. There's no life. That's me.

Anyways, shout out to Conniple, man. Hopefully he can be like a good filler in between these guys. That's a good thing to look forward to, for sure. Brother, your vet is La Mello Ball. Wait, no, Colin Sexton's there too now. Colin Sexton's there, too, now. He's a good vet to have. That's fair.

I have no idea if Colin Sexton's a good vet to have. What do you know about Colin Sexton's locker room presence? I don't know nothing other than he pulls up his shorts and likes to slap the floor sometimes. He does be hell of intense. Well, he did that like five years ago. I don't know if he slapped the floors these days. He was in Utah. All right.

What's the next thing? We got to. Let's go. Northwest Division. Who has the Denver Nuggets? I do. What does one thing people need to know about Nicole Yokich's team? Last year, Nicole Yogy had a plus minus of 20, a plus 21.3, which is still to say that

this is the best player in the world, is still to say that he is the best floor raiser. And that the Nuggets, after trading away Michael Porter Jr. and bringing in Cam Johnson should once again be considered as a threat to win the Western Conference, just because Nicole Iokic is that good. He is that great. He is able to, like, OKC last year had Aaron Gordon with the hamstring that was falling off the bone and Michael Porter Jr., whose shoulder was completely messed up and they took the Thunder to 7. If you have Nicole Yokic, you have an opportunity to win your conference, and they feel much more competent this year. So having Yokic allows you to be right there with the thunder. Yeah, this was pretty simple.

Like they obviously won the championship, were the best team, were expected to win again, did not go that way. They lost the Timberwolves, and they lost Contabas Colwell Pope. And for the last year and a half, it's been, whatever is happening, good or bad, the conversation has, in the end, loop back to, they lost Contavis Colwell Pope, they lost Bruce Brown, they had a talent lead post championship, and I've never recovered. There was months where it was, Oh my God, they've done Nicole Yolk, it's dirty. They've ruined the best player they've ever had the championship window. How are they going to retool?

The answer to that question is they just had to wait this time. And they've done that now. They've done the retooling. They have more depth. Cam Johnson is better than Michael Porter Jr. Bruce Brown is back. Valachunis is there as a backup center, which is better than Dario Sarich. I'm not the highest on Valchunas personally.

But in 12 minutes a game, he's probably going to be solid for them. Tim Hardaway Jr. is there. Another volume three-point shooter. The shooting ailments they had last year specifically will not. be an issue with Tim Hardaway Jr. and Cam Johnson as long as they're healthy. So they have enough good players now that they're not going to run into a buzz saw that just has a team of 10 good players versus their team of five good players. Bro, his plus minus for the last four years is dumb. Yeah, he's the goal. 21. This is from last year going through the last four years, 21.3,

23.7, 24.8. 19.5 is the low point of this four year run. He's just amazing. He's just a I cannot wait as the season gets closer, closer, because I have expectations for this team, bro. I love this team. Me too. Two seed. You better be the two seed. At West, I know it's tough. It's hard to be the two seed out west with how competitive the conferences.

You better be the two seed. I have that exact specific expectation for this team. Yeah. I'm going to save my thoughts. All right, cool. But yeah, so that's the nuggets. Yeah, that's fairly simple. Just expect them to be back.

What is one thing we need to know about the Oklahoma City Thunder, defending champs? I have the O'KC Thunder. Same exact team. They made no moves. They did go ahead and draft their center in the, I don't know if it was the lottery or just the 15th pick. 14th, I think. Yes.

So Thomas So Over and he tore his ACL. One thing you need to know is that aside from that, they have lottery pick from last year, Nicola Topich, finally being healthy. And he could be a sizable X factor for this team. Considering the type of play style that he has, he doesn't project. to be a good shooter. He is a bigger point guard. And that's genuinely like all the help that they need, someone who can generate opportunities and looks. And he could be someone who can come in, play maybe 10 minutes a game, 15 minutes

game, specifically alongside Chet Hongram and help activate certain skills within his game because he is a tremendous passer. And hopefully he can make guys like his life easier and maybe at times if he gets burned with him. So he could genuinely make this seem even scarier. I think you braid the lead a little bit. All that's true that I agree. But I feel like the one thing people do you know because of that is OKC won 68 games last year, won the NBA finals, and they are going to be substantively better this year,

I think. I think the team is going to be meaningfully better. With J-Dub played insane in the playoffs, especially the finals. Throughout the regular season, he kind of had a little bit of an offensive progression while being amazing defensively. His versus also jacked up. Talk about bearing the lead, bro. We didn't even talk about Chet Honger and potentially being healthy.

Precisely, exactly. So if J-Dub continues and has a better offensive season in the regular season, which we know he's capable of, he saw it as a rookie, that makes them better immediately. If Chet doesn't shatter his goddamn hip after falling 12 feet out of the goddamn air, he will look like he did in the first week of the season and be better for the whole course of the regular season on top of skill development hit over the off season. And then that's getting into the fact that they won in the playoffs with him looking like shit

for a lot of it offensively, that's going to make them better. Topich comes in as a ball handler, another year of AJ Mitchell, they can feed him off ball. Like, this team will straight up should be. I would say barring good health, but they didn't have good health last year and they still won 608 games. So good health barely matters as long as Shea is healthy. This team should be meaningfully better. One thing you should know is that there will be indeed more glazed.

You guys hated us last year. We're going to be even more insufferable. I'm not leaving. I'm never fucking leaving. For glazed fucking up, man. I got one more in me. Yeah, like they should win the championship again. Really is what we're saying too.

Like they, if they're better than last year and we were up here saying all year that they are the clear championship favorites, they should be again. especially with the Celtics being neutered with all the other teams like Tyreys Hallibur's not there to push them anymore like this team should be the championship favorite and like kind of easily

yeah they favorite yes like I'm not so duh they're the favor but like I feel like there shouldn't be it's not like the Warriors when they're at the prime because it's the best team ever but it's like damn near at least compared to every championship since then

like there's not really a clear cut second favorite to me like somebody in their stratosphere we'll need to see the thunder come down or something make a big jump on paper right now I don't see anybody competing with them on paper maybe on paper that is obviously things happen yeah yeah we'll save it yeah you think things can

happen but at least on first thought there's no nobody else in their stratosphere they're in a tier of the round i guess yeah okay next team in this division Minnesota Timberwolves that's me what you got uh so apparently you need people need to know Andy Edwards says that he has been watching Kobe tape and MJ Tate yeah I'm glad you brought this up I wish I haven't my team Sean tweeted or reported on TV yesterday that from the player, the star young player that finds a way to ask something to his game every single year. The guy that just keeps getting

better. The guy that became Damian Lillard as a three-point shooter last year. And that is not an exaggeration he had one of the greatest shooting seasons of all time, has now turned his developmental attention to the post game. Yes. And that is that is massive because if like

if Anthony Edwards adds a post game on top of his three-point shot and he develops as quickly as the three-point shot did, and now he is able to operate from the post he's able to pass from the post you are able to change the way the defenses have to have to defend you you know that you're going to get doubled you change where you change where the double team is coming from and now allows you to be more dangerous as a passer more dangerous as a score you now get to access a whole different array of moves and

angles to attack from a la Kobe and MJ but also in different ways like shade we you saw in You saw in the Western Conference Finals, you had these two guys who are extreme, extreme, like, great scores. She's just on a different level because Shea can access any angle that he wants to. Anthony Edwards, right now, because he doesn't have this post game and because it's not as refined as Shay's, there is, like I said, there's a section of angles that he doesn't have access to, right? He hasn't spent the VC on it. Yeah. Now that he's spending the VC on it, we're adding two overall. to Anthony Edwards scoring back, right?

I don't think it's more than two, man. It is, whatever it is, it's going to, if it is, you know, substantial, it's going to take the Tim Wolves at least, and it's hard to say to the next level because they've been to the conference finals for the last two years. But for a team that lost to kill Alexander Walker, for a team that is still kind of weird offensively, you say, hey, we're going to be fine because Ant is going to be Ant takes him to that level that's top five player in the world and less than Tim Wolves. be another conference finalist.

Yeah, because there's no clear answer on their roster for how they're going to make a jump on paper in terms of roster talent. They're really relying on young players to kind of come in and push out the veterans, replace Mike Connolly, eventually replace Gobert with the center that just drafted, come and replace Alexander Walker,

who's no longer there, maybe replace Dante Steven Chenzel one day. Who knows? Like, they need Clark, they need Shannon. They need, what's his name? Why am I blanking him, the point guard? Rob, to come in and be those guys, right? They need them to come in and like replenish to stay where they're at.

That's not to me unless one of those guys becomes a star, which you never know. That's not a ceiling razor. That's a floor maintainer with those guys. The only path they have to beating these top teams having a better chance is Aunt leveling up to best playing in the world. I agree. Like if what you said genuinely is true and he like holds who's word and genuinely did like go and make those improvements when it comes out.

Are you a liar or not? And if the business is true and is MJ? like if you really sit down and think about it like adding players and then be history who is has been as talented as anthony edwards who have that back to the basket game you're one of the greatest of all time there's no way around it bro every single great goat that you can think of this is a pivotal skill set because it's one of the having your back to the basket and having it like a myriad of opportunities to get your game off or other players game off attack attack defenses from so many different layers and dimensions you're you're unstoppable there's it's so incredibly hard to guard you and defend you compared to how he elevated his game last year which is a great it was amazing for the regular season but at times you just have real issues when it comes to going against high level defenses this is actually true hey man he he he's going to have an MVP season yeah it's going close to being able to get in shay talks if this actually does develop right because that's the difference is a lot of times

these half court offenses if he's not they're sitting on his three point shot and not allowing him to come off of that and walk into it off the triple three and then he attacks a lane and they rotate well and he has a drop big there he doesn't have the midridge game to shoot over that drop big or the floater to shoot over that drop big there really was a lack in between game he has to just put his head down and try to jump over the help defender which works a lot of the time because you're anthony edwards and you're the best athlete from the guard position but it's not going to be we've seen it it's not a hundred percent thing there's that kind of that's been the ceiling limiter against guys like shay who have that shit yeah like if we sit here and think about

like who are the top scores on the perimeter in the NBA. Fuck, going back then to Kobe and MJ. But like, think about it right now. It's, of course, Shay. Then, of course, you have Luca in that bitch. Then, of course, you have Kevin Duray in there. And all those guys have one of the best, arguably the best back to the basket games that the league has to offer. Okay.

Very impressive. I learned a lot. Shout out, Anthony Edwards. Continue to get better. I hope it's true. Don't fucking lie to me, though, man. Fucking hate lie. This better be true.

I have the Utah Jazz. One thing you know about Utah Jazz, I think this will be the best, I mean, the most fun, bad team in the league this year. This team last year was disgusting, not a fun watch. This year, I think that'll change. I think this team will be entertaining.

And they are, I think, after this draft, on a path towards getting it together. It's felt like the past years of rebuild has kind of been stagnant and going nowhere and been, like, underrated disaster about Danny Age. It's kind of been bullshit for a few years of being bad. With the addition of Ace Bailey, I kind of see the vision they're cooking with right now.

they have Isaiah Collier, who I like a lot. I don't know that I like him enough to say he's going to for sure be like a point guard of the future just because the three-point shot is such an unknown, but I think he's going to be like a legit top tier passer. Like I think there will be years in his prime where he averaged eight assists a game if he has a type of usage or more,

pushes towards 10. Like he has that level of downhill and passing ability. Obviously, Lauer Markman, one of the most versatile wing scores in the NBA, amazing off-ball can cut is playing for a coach that maximizes his off-ball abilities. I think you have those two

as a linchpin of your offense, the playmaker and a score, and you added Ace Bailey who, I think, at his best, should play kind of like Lobby and Marketing, should be weaponized off ball, should be a cutter, should be a good shooter off ball and be able to develop his game off ball on to on instead of vice versa, if you would have went to a team that threw in the ball instead of go cook. I think this team will put him in a good spot to develop there. I think you have those two bigs, or those two big wing scores. You have Bryce Sensible who's a good offensive player, can space the floor. You have Isaiah Collier who can playmake. You start to see these things put together that like this will be a fun,

bad team that has a good offense I think I'm glad you're putting a positive spin on this I'm not even like just saying that like I think that would be interesting no Kessler and Philipowski like they'll be fun and win 14 games I don't think I'll Walter Clayton too I forgot and Walter Clayton and Keontay George is his back of point guard like they'll be bad

because their defense will be bottom of the barrel ship beneath my shoe but offensively if Ace Bailey is good and Isaiah Collier continues to develop like we think you will this will be a solid like when I say solid offense for a bad team that means there'll be like 15th and offensive rating which is pretty good for a tanking team

I think it could be like a 15th best offense and 29th best defense type of team which is the recipe for league past success that'll be fun to watch George's DeNyang is back on his team Matt Arsett back on his team George's Nying is on this team Kevin Love is on this team

oh yeah why I forgot about that why is incredible yeah he's on his team it's incredibly fun yeah so and I do like if they're going to keep a lot of marketing and not trade him. I like that a lot for Ace Bailey. I'm really encouraged by Ace Bailey

playing off a Lowry in Will Hardy's game. We can play who he played for right now and I'd be just as good as Charles Barker. He's like, that's crazy. I completely forgot that he played for you so. Yeah, he got traded there. Who's the most random player I can think of that can fuck you up with who you play for?

Where do you think Goodwin plays right now in the Lakers last year? Jordan Goodwin? Yeah, Jordan Goodwin. I've not gone through everything. Wizards? I don't know. He was on the Wizards before. Fuck, I don't know

Good one is back with the suns He's back with the Suns Yeah, the Lakers had to wave him I think to get Marcus Smart And yeah, he was in him back to the Suns Who he's playing for? We can get cut. Don't put us on nerd session

Trivia's gonna get destroyed Yeah Okay, that's Utah Jazz Next team in this division What is one thing people need to know About the Portland Trail Blazers Ooh, I got the Blazers Man

Well, David Miller is back But he's not playing I guess right now The most important thing To know is that Scoot Henderson should be in for a breakout season. Now, yes, they did go ahead and trade away, Anthony Simons just clears up more room,

but then they brought back someone like Drew Holiday. Drew Holliday and Anthony Simons are two completely different points. Girls are quite literally like the inverse of each other. Yeah. There's no more, there's no inverse players in the league other than them too. Okay, maybe you're right. That might be the most opposite you could think of. Yeah.

And at this point in stages of Drew Holiday's career, like he is took a step back from the Watson Celtics last year. had to deal with some injuries and whatnot. And he felt like very forgettable. I think he's still a good player, but I think he's someone that you don't want to prioritize. And I think he's someone you just like have on your team to uphold the reputations that you're trying to build up to, which is just being a hellacious defense alongside Denny and to Moni who had a breakout season in his own right.

And that sets up for someone like Schu Henderson, who as a season went on, he improved pretty much all around the court when it comes to finishing, how well he shot the ball, his playmaking, all that he was like a lot better than he was to start the season. And so he should be in for a breakout year. Yeah. And I think another thing people should know is this is going to be an elite defensive team. Like that'll be the calling card in the second half of last year. They were an elite team.

I don't remember where their offensive rating netted out at in the second half. But it was top five for the entire season or for the entire second half of the season. The defensive games? Yeah. It was top five for the last 41 games last year. And I think it was like top three. It was something actually like kind of like stupid whenever they really empowered Donovan Klingin and stop playing D'Andre and because.

because he had a falling out with the team and they said, go to hell and they started playing Klinginmore. And Matisse Tavel came back. Yeah, get ready, buddy. But also Matisse Taubo came back. And overall, like, they were playing just elite defenders up and down the roster.

That would be the case this year, too. Like, they're going to be, not going to be a playoff team, but they're not going to be bottom of the barrel, I don't think, just because they're going to be a truly lead defense for the entire year. Sounds like a very scrappy 12 seed.

Probably just because it's so hard. But, I don't know. I mean, if Scoop makes a leap offensively, which would require him to be the elite slasher he was thought to be, which I just kind of feel out on. Then they could be interesting, or if Shaden Sharp can build on top of the fact

that he can jump really high and can shoot from three consistently, you can build on the mid-range game, which is solid, and be a good go-to score, that could be interesting, or if Denny of Dia can be an all-star level player instead of one of the best role players in the league.

One of those guys making a jump could get them into being a playing type of team, but they'll be like just sub-play and off the strength of defense. True. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Can you guys so many games they won last year? 32 37 they won 36

oh okay so they definitely should be not a lot better but they should be better yeah they can insurance 40 yeah exactly so and that's pretty much

a playing too so they shoot for 40 yeah it's a playing team in the east I don't know the west might be

there might be a fucking 50 win team in the playoffs this year I mean the plan it's gonna be crazy what do the playing teams have last year in the west was like 46 wins

gets you a play in birth something like that he was crazy I was a damn But, all right. So who do we have left, though? In this division, we have nobody. That's all five in this division.

Oh, so last division. That was a central division. One more to get to. Oh, man. I'm going on a speed run. It is kind of a nasty division. Actually, no. Actually, no.

Okay, so the Mavs were the 10 seed with 39 wins. Really? Yeah. Oh, the bottom of the west fell off a cliff last year. Holy shit. Yeah. So Memphis was the eighth seat at 48, and then Sacramento was the ninth seat at 40. Yeah.

Oh, so, okay, so it was just only the top eight. had good much last year. But, yeah, two through eight are separated by four games. Oh, yeah, because the mass of the injuries and everything, so they fell out hard. Okay. Oh, yeah.

Hey, Blazers. They're cooking. Yeah, they could be in. They could be in. All goes well. Ooh, last one. Somebody gets hurt every year. Yeah.

So, it's understandable. Okay, Central Division. First team, Cleveland Cavaliers. You know, this team kind of stayed packed. Didn't do a whole lot, so there's not a massive game-changing thing for this team. But the one thing I think you need to know

is Lonzo Ball. is not Ty Jerome, and that is going to make a big difference for the identity of their bench. Because last year, Ty Jerome's scoring was essential to that bench unit working, and really not even scoring, his ball handling and ability to make paint touches, because the entire MO of the Hawks, of the Cavs, I should say, offense these days, is constantly create a paint touch, constantly keep the ball moving, use your slashes to create open threes specifically from the corners, make it so teams can't help on your slashes because the corners will always be open and you will hit them every single time. Tide Jerome was great at that, and he's not there anymore.

Lonzo Ball won't be great at that in the half court. So you're losing that from your team. But Lonzo Ball is such a unique connector. I think he can play with Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell more than Ty Jerome could. So that's an additive. And just everything that we know he can bring as a transition passer pushing the ball, adding a certain new pace to this team. That can be pretty good in the bench units where you have one big and Lonzo ball running.

You know, if it's basing around those two, that could be interesting. Overall, they're like, it'll be a huge shift in how they play without all. their starters on the floor. Yeah. I'm, I'm pretty God that he stays healthy, man. Yeah,

that's also that too. That's a few months. It's always easy. It's like two seasons. Only played over 60 games one time in this career or 60 games in general, one time of his career.

Yeah, but I think the last couple years of injuries, it wasn't like a bunch of nagging injuries. It was like one serious thing that was like had to get over and I think he's over that now for the most part. So he was fragile before that,

so it might happen again. But I think as far as what's held him back last year, I think he's over that. I'm pretty glad. I hope so. But okay Yeah, and then that's interesting Obviously the Cavs are

Probably the favorites out east And losing Tide Jerome isn't nothing But it's substantive Like it was very important They had a third guard Who can maintain the same exact play style of Darius Gal and Donovan Mitchell Yeah

And they don't have that anymore But I kind of trust Kenny Atkinson To maximize what Lonzo Ball does bring Yeah, I 100% agree For sure No one else has caps thoughts No, we're Check it out

Next team we have I'm also trying I'm trying to say, yeah, they are the favorites out of use. Yeah, if it had to be. Next team is the Detroit Pistons. What is one thing people need to know? They need to know that Jade and Ivy is coming back. And I think that that is very substantive for them because, one, Malibis is not there this year.

True. And so you have another guard that can play, you know, theoretically can play alongside Cade and alleviate some of the ball handling, but also giving you some scoring. you try to, you can supplement Malik Beasley shooting, hopefully, with the addition of Duncan Robinson. And so you still have, you still have your shooting. You still have another guard who can kind of play alongside Cade. So offensively, you should be fine. And there shouldn't be so much pressure on Cade. And then you still have Assar Thompson, you still have Ron Holland, you still have Beech Stu.

You still have all these guys that defensively, you can still hold up. So I think the re-edition of Jaden Ivy allowed. you to one figure out what he really is because he was hooping before like he was playing well before he got hurt so the the fact he's coming back is big for them and it's it's especially good in this specific version of the eastern conference yeah and even like so he'll be there the biggest thing is that he's there as in like he's the answer necessarily it's like we'll finally find out if he's the answer and if not they're going to make a move they need a second guard pretty badly they need another creator there unless the sart thompson like develops a shot

overnight and he becomes an on-ball player, which I love us Hart-Thompson. I'm not expecting that right now. So, yeah, either it's Jaden Ivy or it's a trade for another shooting guard that can score and alleviate pressure off acade. We'll know, we'll know by mid-season which one we go for. Yeah, I think this is easily like one of the teams in the league that's, you can pince them in for something to happen because they now no longer are in NBA purgatory. Like, they have the franchise guy.

They just need to focus on putting him in the best position to win. and the best way to do that is also give him the weapons to go ahead and do so so he can be the best version of himself and they need one badly unless that happens when it comes to Jaden I.B. or Osar Thompson they kind of pray for Ron Holland to go ahead and develop that offensive game and you look damn good in Summer League but again in Summer League everybody can look good in Summer League so yeah they're in Trade Watch for sure yeah and like and it's one of the more vital like I don't think this is a year where trades are quite as hot topic at the start of the year.

But there's some years where we're immediately talking about teams like, oh, they need to make this move, especially with like Lakers and Warriors being in flux as of late the teams that talk about the most. That's not really the case this year, I don't think. But a second offensive star next to Kade is the number one, I think, necessary trade target in the league right now amongst teams trying to make an impact and players and teams we care about. He needs help.

We saw in the playoffs last year. He can't be the end-all, be all playing like Luca with all that usage. Yeah, especially if they start to, if they're, winning and jade and i doesn't look great then it's like oh no there is pressure to go out and you know get this done right now especially because like they don't have malik beasley anymore and they're not going to have dennis shorter anymore as well so you lost a little bit of playmaking so now i think but even more through those things that i just said they need to make a trade they can also bring malik besey back right you still a free agent yeah but i'm not banking on

that yeah i don't know either i wonder how that's going to play out i don't know if he's like cleared by the league to be signed by a team where teams are just staying away with it not touching him with a 10-foot pole it's probably the latter i think he's uh i think he's clear i think people can sign him but he was cleared of like criminal misconduct i think but it's still an mba investigation that's fair so i don't know he doesn't have fed charges but NBA is still looking at him with the yeah jaded saved their life they're noticing please who do you i wonder we haven't thought about it all i'm not going to put you on the spot but i wonder what guards are become available there's always stars that can available at some point in seasons

I wonder who's going to be this year. I pray to God the Kings get smart and finally go ahead and trade away or not finally, but go ahead and trade away Zach Levine. Yeah, that guy is interesting.

That's so much money. Maybe the Celtic surprise has to move Derek White, which I doubt it's going to happen. But like if that, you can see that path happening, that would be awesome for Cade. Yeah.

Obviously, Jaylon Brown, but that's not happening. But anyone with Cade, it would be fire. Hey, it's a Michael Porter, Jr. Get ready to speak Detroit. God, I hope not, man.

Hell no, no, no. No, no. You know that MJ mean? No. Cameron Thomas Get ready to speak Detroit No, no, no It would be the worst in the world

Jonathan Caminga Get ready to speak Detroit I want that I'm good I'm good I'm good Fuck who can I land on It's okay

Bogdan Bogdanovich He's a third string Clippers shooting guard right now Oh man We can make something happen Also I'm all done I'm checked out.

I'm done with my 10 teams. Okay. I think I got three more teams. There's three more teams here. Chicago Bulls. What is one thing people need to know? So the Chicago Bulls, one thing that people need to know. New Year, same mid.

Ain't nothing changed. And they never will. I've seen comments saying, why do they refuse to talk about the Bulls? Why do they refuse to respect the Bulls? Because it's funny. And it will never not be funny. The Bulls suck and they still suck. And they're still uninteresting.

They pay Josh. It wasn't a bad market rate contract, but they still pay Josh Giddy, which is a general rule, you're something you don't want to do, and that is not making more excited talk about them, neither do their additions in the draft. I love Modisuzellis.

I hate everything else about this team. Yeah, don't get mad at us. You don't like watching your team. So, like, how are you expecting us to like it? And I have a social obligation to you as viewers to talk about every team. I don't have a social obligation to you as viewers to be nice to every team.

And this would be the one that I'd never be nice to. Yeah. Unless there's a regime change, and then we'll celebrate. The only thing that I'd be looking forward to for the Bulls is, like, hoping that Modest Bulls continues to go ahead and take some steps, which he probably will. Now, will the Bulls hold him back? I don't know. I don't know what any of that looks like.

But he's only, like, positive outlook that I'm, like, actually expecting to make real noise. Okay. Milwaukee Bucks. What is one thing people need to know about the Bucks? Man, oh, man. It's already over. They're cooked. It's over.

It's been over. They'll just tweet that or a quote that came out through us. a Janus interview just two days ago and he said that, he said these specific words, I hope they never trade me, but mentally I'm preparing for it. This motherfucker is sneaky.

Like, he's been finessing you your entire life, bro, because he always like to say these things like, yeah, I'm loyal to the soil and all that. He's a Hall of Fame manipulator. I would say that he Loki is a manipulative. He's a whole of fame manipulative. What do you mean? I've been saying it. I've been saying

it. Yes. I have him saying he is not as loyal as everybody says every opportunity that he gets to sneak this to say yo I'm kind of out of here I kind of don't want to be here he takes that opportunity and now he's saying bro maybe i want to be here you know he's not saying i don't want to be here he's less brave than that he's sprinkling in the idea of him not being here but saying it's not going to be because his own accord he's soft launching the idea of his presence no longer being Milwaukee but not saying it's because i want to be out of here don't say it's because i want to be out of here don't say He said, it's not you. It's me. I just, I can't do it. Not even though. He's saying it might not be me. It's you. Be prepared for it to be you. How do you break up with someone like that? He doesn't. He wants the bucks to break up with him. That's literally what it is. He wants to. He wants the idea of being loyal so bad. I understand. I see your game. I know who you are. I see the kind of person you are. I've seen this place.

He said, I am you. I get it. This is a tactic. This is my people, too. God, man. He said, I know how to lie and I see your games. Listen, pistol formation, half-back stretch. I run this.

I've seen this. Okay, both of you guys right now, can you name me, try to name me the best buck starting five that you can build from this roster? Okay, let me pull the bucks depth chart. So obviously we're going to have. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. So obviously, Janus and Miles Turner are going to be in that. Okay, I got their depth chart pulled up.

Here we are. Let's do it. So the point guards. Oh, my God. Kevin Porter, Cole Anthony, Ryan Rawlins are your point guard options. We could go no point guards and play like a point Janus thing. But even then we have Gary Trent Jr., AJ Green, and Gary Harris is the main shooting guards. Arnda Jackson Jr.

I guess we got to start Kevin Porter's trash ass. You don't have no, other than Miles Turner and Yannis, you have no at least 80 overalls, according to 2K, bra. Listen, I just, I just, we just laid out the fact that Yonis is a manipulator and that we don't condone that. I understand this sucks. This is awful. They are one Yonis high ankle sprain away from being, from being some of the most deplorable basketball that we have seen in the last six to seven years. I guess the best starting line is one we have on screen right now is like the projected one. Kevin Porter, Gary Trent

gives you some ball handling at least in those two guard positions Gary Trent has flashes of really hot shooting that gives you good spacing people won't help off him Kyle Kuzma pray for a bounce back

and then Kevin Porter Miles Turner that's really the best you can do you can start Toyin Prince if you want over Gary Trent Jr., but I'd rather have the upside of Gary Trent Jr.'s hot shooting I guess and like

the safest option would be Gary Trent and Toyin Prince is your back court and like Point Yonis but that's not really how you want to play much pressure on them. Do you think you can build a better team than that? Psych, your question, you can't.

The team's fucked in every single angle. And the one thing that you need to know again is, or another thing you need to know is they're going to trade Yannis. They have no choice. Whether it be this summer? What do you think? No, they can't, though, because they just stretch Damien Lillard. Their books are fucked.

Oh, I guess. They can't trade them regardless. Yeah. It doesn't matter about your books because you'll be rebuilding. So maybe that's fine, actually. Take the back. But that that is an insane move that signals only thing that matters is to keep you honest. Because you're not going to build a great roster ever

With Damon Allard having 25 million on your books The next three years You literally cannot build a good roster Expect Yonis to drop 33, 12, and 7, bro throughout this entire year And be the five seed in the west I mean they'll probably be like The East is so bad

Damn it! Yeah but they have Yonis and have spacing So they'll be a good team Maybe not this year But I think next year That's when things may get really nasty If they get like If they got sad in the playoffs again too

They can't be horrible is what I'm saying, with Janus. Like, if he's healthy, they can't be bad, like, straight up. They'll be, like, an even net rating team at worst case scenario with Janus and spacing. So that's what's weird is we're talking to this shit, and they're going to start the season and be like a fake-ass four seed and Bucks fans are going to have a victory lap. And, like, that's going to be their ceiling. And their floor isn't that much lower.

They're going to be between four and six, no matter what? Seven? Sure. I mean, if team makes a lead as possible. But you know what I mean? Like, they'll be in that, like, back half of the playoffs range because Janus is Janus. But there's no chance they break into that top three in really. real contenders in the East. No. No.

Zero change, bro. So it's just a zero-sum game. There's nothing to be gained. Not a whole lot to be lost. It's just going to be wasted waste of everybody's time, bro. He's over here trying to prove a point that he's lawyer. You don't want to be there. If they trade me, man, I don't want it to happen. Weird. I don't even know what we just pointed out as the one

thing you know about them. The one thing you know about them is their fucked, I guess. Yeah. They're cooked. That's what I said on top. Oh, okay. I got nothing better for you. What is one thing people need to know about the Indiana Pacers? Oh, interesting. The last thing, the last team, I'm glad you asked. Yeah, exactly. The Indiana Pacers, the one thing that you need to know

is that someone on this roster is going to take a leap, that will it be a good leap or a bad leap? You can leap or you could leap backwards. I don't know. There's only one kind of bad leap. I think the one thing you know about them is they acquired their first round pickback, and that will be important because if they have a lackluster season or if Pascal Siakum misses any time at all,

and this team falls apart and becomes extraordinarily mid, They are primed for a stealth tank. And I know that's not on their ammo. I know the type of team that wants to win every year. And they have young players that can be elevated. They're going to try to win up front. They're going to elevate Benedict Matherin, make him be more of a scoring option. They're going to elevate.

Nemhard. Nymard. Yeah, Nemhart. They're going to make him be the lead point guard. Hope you can make a Dylan Brunton type leap and be the next backup guy that can be a top tier player. They're going to aim for that. But if they swing and they miss even a little bit and injuries stack up and all of a sudden they're facing extended time they have to survive.

they will not survive. They will roll over and die and it will be for the betterment of the team because they have their first-on-pick now. Yes. But on the other side of things, if things go ahead and pan out, Pascal's able to remain healthy, Jay Huff,

who came the fuck out of nowhere last year and became a productive NBA player for the Memphis Grizzlies. He's definitely known for the reverse dunks and his ability to stretch the floor. Good player. If those things happen, again, going back to the breakout player-type conversation that we were having,

It's either going to be Nemhard. I think all signs point towards him. Generally taking a leap as a player. But that's not necessarily safe because he's so different from regular season versus playoff Nemhard or Benad of Mathrim, this may finally be your time to go ahead and showcase the world why you were a lottery pick. This is the guy who, when he got drafted, I think he said some crazy call like he's better there.

He said if LeBron James is better than me, he got to prove it or something like that. Some crazy. This is his last opportunity, Jenny, to like, enter any sense to prove him. Star level like conversation. Can you be like a borderline all right? Can you be one of like the role the like premier wing talent league?

Also I don't know. I have a question for you guys. Do you guys know who the pace is traded with to get their pick back? Pelicans. The pelicans. Dumbies. Did Joe do more see that trade? I don't know, but it's the franchise. So I'm just like. I don't know the Benson family approved that trade.

Yeah. But yeah, they're interesting. Now that they did approved that day before Tyrese blew out as Achilles so it's like mostly a luck thing but still

not a good thing to have in your track record and again they'll try to be good and I think they have a solid chance of maintaining competitiveness

you know like those players like that's a decent bet that they can be solid without Tyree Celebrity no never mind that was Dumars oh shit damn

Dumars oh Joe Joe okay they can be solid but again it's nice that they have a backup plan if things don't go well because it's pretty

hard to maintain health and without Tyre's caliber and they have like zero ability to maintain to weather the storm of injuries yeah and that's not even getting to what miles turner brought to that team the spacing we're assuming j huff can walk in and do some of that it's a big fucking assumption like miles turner is disappointing in a lot of ways but vital to what they do in a lot of ways yeah so like it that does mean something that i've lost him yeah johnny furfee yeah so some for me we could look up and they're like two and 15 like that's like possible.

Like, they have a disaster. No, I don't think. Two of 15 is a right, you're right, right. That's the as extreme. But whatever, whatever, you know, the week can look up and they're like not in the playing race and then an injury happens and they fold and do a stealth tank. I don't even know if they're bad enough to do that.

I think Rick Harlow's too good of a coach to get. I mean, the East is bad. Yeah, yeah. Two of 15 was that was too dramatic. I think they're going to be in the playing race bare minimum. I'll even be disappointed. They're 10. I'm saying, yeah, you can look up and they're 10 in the East.

And then somebody misses time and then things cascade and now all of a sudden you look up, Oh my God, we're 12. Yeah. There's 42 games left. Let's tank. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Like, I'm not expecting that I'll play.

I mean, they can't go any lower than 12. Low-key. Hell, no, they can. Because, like, Brooklyn, Charlotte, and Washington are going to take those bottom. We're cutting them a lot. I don't know. We're doing a lot of assumption off of what they did in bench lineups when the other minutes were led by Tyrese Halliburton. It's like I get why we're doing this.

Top 8 in the East. If you tell me, it's Cleveland, Boston, actually, does Boston going to stay in the top eight, you think? Yeah, top eight. Okay, no order. Let's say they maintain their bottom half of this, obviously. No order. They could be top eight. Okay.

Top eight could be some order of Boston, Cleveland, New York, Milwaukee. They have Yonis will be there. Detroit, Orlando, if they're healthy, will be there. Atlanta will be there. That's seven teams already. Philly. Philly. If Joelle and Bia is some form of health, they could, you can see them in top eight.

Miami, the Tyler Hero injury mucks it up. Let's not say Miami for now. Toronto. Toronto, you tell me they're jumping? That's nine teams now. Could. Chicago is always the ninth seed, so they're going to be top ten. that's 10 teams

okay so you're fighting with Miami and Chicago for the 10th spot yeah and then Charlotte Washington Brooklyn are the other teams I'm assuming they just stay trash yeah okay so like if you tell me they're close to that range

and like aren't definitively top eight like that's super possible and if they're on the fringe and they will have injuries at some point they can flip the switch it to stealth take pretty quickly thank God they have their own pig man exactly

and it'll be good for them I hope they suck like they need to get a top of it Joe was out here saving organizations left and right man I was in despair. I was saving every team but his own. They're breathing life into the league.

We need Joe Dumars in the league. Yeah, he's really doing more. Competitive balance is only possible when you have dumb fucks across the league to help the smart fucks. He's an inside agent from the NBA. I said, you know, the Easter conference is tough. We got it. We got to get talent out there. We need parody.

Yeah, that's a great, that's a great conspiracy theory. So that is one thing that you need to know about every single NBA team. We have a mega marathon episode for you guys. are going to be touching four hours maybe. With that being said, let's move on to the second half of this episode. The first TikTok time of the new season, of the preseason, of the preview portion of the year. Lift the crowns up. We move.

That was an anticlimatic thud. I know. Doesn't even sound cool. Welcome to TikTok time. Today, we are going to start off, you know, the first episode of this new season with what I think is a staple of our show we are going to react to ESPN's new top 100 list

my brain is already breaking every year they come out with their list where they project for this season who they expect to be the top 100 players by the end of the year and every year it makes us mad let's see if this year is any different I'm going to show you a series of players from this list

you guess where ESPN rank them you know they're good at their job you know it's going to make a great rage bait so to keep mind but keep mind it is projecting and I think people will often lose that element of that they just respect it for what is right now in today's league they're trying to account for what we don't know yet which is a fool's errand but let's try first player up on this list we have lamella ball okay so very injury

prone had barely played but he did he got up a lot of points last year meaningless points though the efficiency was indeed dog shit but is that enough to make him a top 50 player no I think there's a lot of good players in the league these days ESPN will probably lower on him he didn't necessarily like he put up points but like you're not going to sit here call him one of the better shooters can't call him one of the better like playmakers and you won't call him that either that's the weird part is the playmaking hasn't been a lead as his career has gone on i feel like that's in some ways kind of regressed probably because of talent around him but i don't think he's the void of blame he doesn't he doesn't yeah he's not he's not the best

shooter not the best pastor doesn't have the best tattoos he's not finishing i'm gonna go 64 there's no insane developmental curve i'm going to go ahead and say he was 78. 63. Donovan was very, very, very close. I don't know how I feel about that. I feel like it's...

It makes sense, like, outside the top 50, but kind of in that, like, next tier. And, like, obviously, if Lamello does put it together, he is going to be one of, like, the 50 best players in the league. And if you can have something that's, like, pretty decent. He's right ahead of Denny at 66, Aaron Dysmith at 65, Ludo, at 64. right next to our premier role players.

I think he should be above all those guys. Denny's a very interesting conversation. You know what? That actually makes sense because this is the like quintessential like would you rather be like the number one option but like your team goes nowhere or are you contributing to winning arcane?

Are you scalable? He's really funny. Christian Brown is number 62 right above it. Oh hell. Christian Braun contributes to winning. Shout out to Yolkich, man. He does God's work. Christian Brown is 62.

Lamello at 63. Go to hell, man. This is not even... I mean, I get it. It's just funny to see it next to each other. I don't review Christian Brown the same lens as the other elite role players, but I don't even get the Christian Brown.

They're projecting a jump in Christian Brown this year. Okay, okay, okay, okay, you're right. So, okay. They see Christian Brown, they say, ooh, look at a little black this year. Got a little fade, okay. Cade Cunningham. Ooh, he got to be way higher.

I think he's top 30. He got to be top 30. He's for sure top 30. I think Cade, Cade obviously had a leap last year, made the All-Star team, finally showed everybody, listen, it just wasn't my fault. Like, they just weren't giving me anything to work with. Because it's projection and because the East is so bad, I can see a scenario where they look at Cade. They see him take a leap as a score, take him to be even more efficient.

I'm going to say 23 for Cade. I'm going to go higher than that. I think they're going to call him damn you're a top 15 player. I'm going to say they put him at 15. They put Kate Cunningham at 12 Fuck I mean that's not crazy Projecting for this coming season

That's still high That 12 is high I think it's in the wrong possibility So 12 we'll go over to the list He's at 12 Right ahead of Evan Mobley If you tell me that's They should meet next to each other

Okay And then Anthony Davis at 14 They're saying he drops off a little bit Yeah you take a step back Yeah Don Mitchell at 15 That's not crazy to tell me Kate is slightly better than these guys Donovan Mitchell conversation

is very interesting But it could happen. It definitely could happen. And I could see a world on where I look up in it's February or whatever. I'm like, holy shit, but Kate is going crazy. He's averaging all these assists, 10 assists the game, 26 points or whatever it might be. I could see that. You know, if he's averaging 26 and 12, then like, okay, you got it.

And that's pretty possible, too. Yeah, his numbers weren't far away from that last year. 12 was just kind of hard to get to. But it's like, if you tell me he's 26 and 9, I think I'll predict that, actually. Yeah. You know what's funny? Last year, 67. They did him insanely dirty last year,

and now they had to repent with Blaze. Really? Yeah, like the 2024 rank you see it on the screen. Oh, that's hilarious. Yes, we can see the fair way. That's insane. Yeah, we'll see everybody's version from last year compared to this year.

The craziest jump. Okay. Next player. Brandon Ingram. Now he's probably a player that they did extremely dirty because over the courses that you really ain't see much, his season has just been destroyed by injuries and he was also a Pelican.

watching you um i'm gonna say he's probably like 70 yeah being yeah being being being in new Orleans and then getting deported is is very very tough in terms of your PR how how many eyes are actually on you i'm i'm with you we'll go 76 he's 77 damn what kind of on it we don't like that though and we don't like 77 76 is brandon miller which to me is crazy unless i'll so much. It's like Brandon Ingram and then like Brandon Miller

can you be Brandon Ingram? Yeah. Like okay I guess they're projecting a jump from Brandon Miller which again last year 2024 ranked they're from 68

so now Brandon Miller is lower so they're a little bit lower on him. They said he didn't make a big leap but apparently they're still Ingram went from 40 to 77 Ingram didn't play he's not 37 spots worse

because he was injured and then the fucking Raptors were tanking so I mean the logic isn't there at all. I guess injury scares them a lot goddamn.

No, every year you do have to know, like, this list is always going to be very reactionary to what just happened. I guess what they're doing is they're probably assuming he'll get hurt again and he won't provide value. Yeah. And when you haven't seen somebody play for an entire year, then like, yeah, you're going to drop. Okay. Tyler Hero. All-star season. He had a good year, yeah.

I'm assuming this list was finalized before the injury news came out. For sure. I think I'd assume so. Maybe. I'm going to say they think he's like. He's, like, top 50, I'm going to say 50. That's he. They might do a lot with him, actually.

He was an all-star, you're right. Yeah, so are we thinking like 41, maybe? I'm going to go 37 even higher. That's nice. I like that number. Yeah, 37. He's 68. Oh.

Damn, bro. Hey, man. I don't even like Tyler. They look at him. They say, your chain fake. Damn. That's insane. That's not, that's not right, man.

Now, this is because the injury, clearly. But then again, last year, he was 77. So maybe they just don't fuck a title of here. Yo, there's someone in that office who just don't fuck retire at all. He's clear as day. Winhorse did the write-up, yeah. And right ahead of him, Cameron Johnson. Hmm.

Okay, I guess. Danny 66. Okay. This task because of the injury, I guess. I guess that makes, this kind of touches on going back to what you said about, like, okay, would you rather have, like, a star player who necessarily might not be the best star versus elite role players? on a championship team It does feel like

And we talked about it earlier in the summer But like the entire league It's kind of moving away from like bucket getters And small guards that only do buckets Yeah And so now like the The ranking is also moving away from bucket You know what it is

We're losing recipes We're losing bucket recipes You know what it is In the playoffs They asked Darius Groland What the plan is against the heat And he said attack Tyler Hero Everybody was like damn

They do attack Tyler Hero a lot We realize he's a liability man 68 though Darius Garland kills PR Salute dude 68 is kind of nasty man John Morant You know what

That's also very good mind games In the middle in the playoffs That was funny Good job And it worked They got to disrespect him even more Let's go 89 89

89 He wasn't hurt last year So they're not gonna ding him that much I'm with it Let's go Okay you know Not that much 86 there we go

They just find a way To hate every controversial player that'll piss you off Yeah there's no different 86 No they respect him 33 Okay this is about right That's revalued.

I think I don't even know how to think about John Moran and what he's going to be doing next year. But I feel like this is accurate no matter like if you think he's going to take a leap or stay the exact same. This is like a good medium. And what's cool is Jaron Jackson 31

right ahead of him. You know what? After the season that Jaron, 32, projecting a jump. Okay. And Jaron Jodd 33. But he was 20 last year, which last year they gave him

all the credit in the world. world in terms of like listen you're coming off the injury but you are still John Moran yeah monse 8 3 3 is perfectly fair I thought's probably where I'd rank him when Christmas time comes and we redo our rankings after the start of the season I expect John Morant will be one the first cuts on my list okay so I respect that ranking ESPN potentially Scotty Barnes oh hell man for a bad year but you know reason to believe we'll bounce back 57 I'm gonna 57 I was thinking 55 57 god damn he's 30 they think he's gonna they think that he's gonna they think that he's gonna have

But a bounce back year, pretty much. And I think he's back to all-star level. And if you're thinking that he's going to be back to all-star level, be one of the top 30 players, be an all-star in the NBA again, okay. That's not crazy. I think it's brave after last year and how bad it was. But if that's your conviction, you are on Scotty Barnes Island still. Salute to you.

It's a lot. You're super brave. You definitely have your legacy. Not your legacy's on the line. It's a drag, but amen. Now, fuck that. Brian Winhorse. What are you prepared to do about it if you're wrong?

I guess. Yeah, I mean, again, they're just high on him, which, like, it's understandable to be high on him, but it's maybe a little bit too high. Very risky. Zion Williams in 55. Keep him out. He's skinny now. But what if they went ahead and, like, looked at again the Zion Williamson play chart and noticed that, yo, this could be a year where he plays 70 games? I don't, I don't know.

He did lose a lot of weight, too. Consider that as well. I understand that, but, like, what are we doing here? I'm going 55 with Zion. I'm going to say they gave him. Because they did, remember, they didn't be dirty. Was it them or? Everybody doesn't be dirty.

Well, yeah. But like, you have a history of players that consistently miss, like, whole seasons, be kind of down. I think that they should be, like, I didn't put Embed on here because I'm tired of that, but they also did him dirty again. He's like 80. Okay. I think they put Zion.

He's younger than Embed, though. And still misses the same amount of games. He's also less broken than Embed. Yeah, if you're younger, you're less broken. I think they gave him, like, 42. 61. Fuck me, man.

Never mind. Fuck. 61 is kind of nasty. Yep, yep, yep. So he's right ahead of La Mello ball, 863, Christian Brown at 61. And he got Zahn at 61.

I mean, who's 60? 60 is Austin Reeves. Oh, yeah. Fair. Nah, man. Fair play. 59 Jalen Suggs.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, let's get it. I'm kind of with it now. I like this. Okay. Paul George. What did you say?

I forgot. 80. He said 80. I pulled my ass. He was like late on the list. Okay. I think he's going to be 99. 99. I go 87. Paul George is 53. Oh, get the fuck out of here. Better than that. Okay. That's actually dumb. And like, if Zion is going to be 55, the, the, the talent that Zion still has to be one of like the better players in the league. That's still there. Paul George isn't going to be one of the better players in the league, one of the players that you can rely that like, did you can build your franchise around at this point? He, also is missing mad times exactly he should be much lower than 53 it's dumb for that by that logic yes exactly by that logic that it's even dumber because of that bro

really go there older now still can lead defenses I would say he took a step back offensive of you last year but then he also went sick oh mode against the lakers in the playoffs so that's going to mean people's heads didn't he have like a 27 point game against the lakers he did 2020 901 damn no no I think he's gonna be 91's ridiculous right here no no no no I think he's got to be like 53 or something like that. You're that. Yeah, God, damn. 91.

What is wrong with you, man? I didn't know what they were thinking. Jeez. Why would you think of 901? No, that's what you were thinking of probably. Facts. For next year, projecting that, Ben-Obert, who already took, like,

his offense is not good. You wanted, you wanted him to be 91. Where did you put him? Be real. He was looking at his chops. I mean, I put him at 92. I thought we were all going to put him at 99.

My bad. Like, I thought we were all going to put him at 99. I thought we're on the same page, but like, hell not. 90's crazy. You want to see who's 91? Yeah, who's 90? Who do you think 91 is? Take a guess.

I don't know. Anthony Simons. Anthony Simons. I don't think he's top 100. 91 is Drew Holiday. And 90 is Nasreid. Damn, okay. Fuck.

You thought it was that bad? Andrew Wings, 89. My best. 49 for Rudy Gobert, which is fine. 72. My bad. Jimmy Butler. Ooh, he got hurt last year

But he's still in I would put Jimmy Bullitt in the top But he got it still Let's put Jimmy Bull at like 27 He's definitely Baron in top 40 So he can win I think I go like 25 Hmm they put him 18

A little a little high But you know what His impact is crazy The impact is crazy And you're gonna get him On a full season Without all of the distractions Of like I don't want to be here

Or whatever So again projecting out for this next year I don't hate this Last year was 28. A year older. That's up to his five. That's right why I have him.

I should know what that is. Warriors propaganda. Everything Steph Curry touches, touches, turns the fucking gold. Okay. He's right above Jalen Brown. Okay. I don't know if I like that. Yeah.

Potentially. I might. I'm not high enough on Jailen Brown to be outraged. Yeah. Okay. 20 is Kaui Leonard. Okay. Whatever.

21 is BAM. Huh. You know what that feels like. Yeah. You could say he's better than each and every one of the ones. I kind of don't like the whole tier. Now I'm thinking. about it. Yeah, that's a little too much.

Well, I don't want to spoil anything else, but yeah, weird tier. A man. Oh, man. Again, it's projection. Ultimate projection player. You can project a man Thompson to be LeBron if you want to. Are they going to go ahead and put him at like 23 or so? Yeah, exactly. 23rd be crazy. He is number 37.

Okay. Projections not, not, it's not bad at all. Yeah, I feel like the highest of highs for a man Thompson believers. and truthers will probably put him at 23, but 37 is absolutely... They're saying he'll be just better than Darius Garland. You know, okay.

You know, that's fun. Dary's Garland's awesome. Yeah. Dary's Garns and All-Star, though. That's a lot. Desmond Bain, that's a crazy picture. Why didn't they use that picture? Because he got Traylorian.

They could use nothing else. They have pictures of him in a magic jersey. They did a photo shoot. Yeah. And then Aaron Gordon at 40, which is a high. Wait, go back to the Desmond Bay. Yeah.

His arms are disgusting. Disgustingly small man. He has a short neck and a big head. That makes he look crazy. He looks like a basketball playing in a TV show. Like an All-American for basketball? Good thing is a bucket. Yeah, I'm in Thompson 37.

That feels, that's a fine projection, I think. They didn't do too much. Like, they could have been like 20. He's going to be a superstar right away. They refrained. Yeah. Carl Anthony Towns. Second year with a New York Knicks PR boost

coming with an offensive-minded coach that might unlock him. This might be 23. He had an all-star year. I was 25. Yeah, they're definitely going to look at him and say he's one of like the 25 best player. I'll go 23.

You know what? I think they may put him at like 24, 25. 27. Okay. Do you guys in the same range? Yeah. That's fair. It's understandable.

Chat hungry is 24. I'd rather have Chit Hongriman on my team personally. Yep. So it makes sense to me. So okay. Oh, I fucking forgot. Chen is 24. That feels right.

right to oh i searched you jaylon brown too jaylon brown i didn't even oh okay yeah for god spoil several every time this happens i know i love i'm just going on the list victor wimb and yama okay wemby ooh okay yokit jokit shay yonis luka are we putting wendy at five they might put wendy at four they might put mb at four they might you know what Luca did have his like weight loss store yeah I want to get this right let's put I'm gonna go five

I think six six you think they put ahead of him yeah I don't know because like that's that's the line but like like the top three of Yokit Shay Janus I feel very good about that for me

the conversation is Wembe versus Luca and how much do you believe that the weight loss and you know, being in shape and all that stuff matters for Luca. Do you think last year was just a product of all the other stuff, all the trade? Or is when we just like that?

But also, you saw Wemby go ahead and train and like really get in his Zenful mindset with the monks. He was with KG bro. He mastered all four elements. He was with the monks. He was with Camagarnet. He was with Hakeem. He was with everything. Put him at... Fuck that. Put him

at four. Let's go four. He's five. They got Luca. They got Luca right ahead. Okay. You have Anthony Edwards right behind him at six. Makes sense. Crazy, man. That's crazy.

Again, you're assuming good health? It's not ridiculous. We'll assume we'll be at that level next year. It's not. It's not at all. That's my expectation. Yeah, it's the bare minimum. This is the storyline.

This shit happened. LeBron James. Where are they ranking the old goat is age 41 season? I think he's seven. That's high as fuck. I'll go nine. I'll be healthy, though. I think they are still looking at LeBron as a top 10.

player in the world for sure they got they'll probably put brown step and kd right all knows each other yeah like seven yeah like seven so what are you thinking i think seven i think seven i go seven number eight you guys are real close you guys have the right idea and if you go on here let's look at the top ten we'll look at the whole top ten right now we got jalen brunson at ten oh yeah yeah kevin we're at nine okay step where you at lebron at eight step seven step at seven okay cool yeah mansy edward six Victor Woman Yama 5 Jan is 4 Oh

Luca 3 Shai 2 and Yokich 1 Oh this is Luca 3 This isn't terrible This isn't terrible This isn't terrible There's a skinny Luca comes back

With a vengeance And proves to be a top 3 player Back to being in his prime Wow When scrolled out I want to see the fantasy projection for Luca They have their stat lines

Where you see that On the bottom Yeah 30 points 8.5 rebounds 8.2 assists The Luca donch is special Okay I can almost guarantee

you who average 30 eight and a is what he always does okay yeah this feels accurate espn genuinely didn't do terrible this year yeah this wasn't are they putting out rational content oh my god fuck that are they washed well i'm gonna mad i know rage they didn't raise been enough the hell espin get it together hire more dummies next thing we're gonna do i'm gonna show you some NBA players and you at the guess who you're looking at based on the teams they played for oh shit okay So you're only going to see the logos of the teams they play for. You have to try to remember the career trajectory of every player in NBA history.

And guess who you're looking at? Oh, every player in NBA history. These are not all current players. I'm cooked already. Yep, yep. You're fucked, buddy. Not that's not that hard. But it's also not that easy.

Then we'll see. First player up, who is this? That is the Atlanta five. I'm like, yo, what's going on, man? Someone broke history. Our graphic designer got a little bit confused between two sports. But that is Atlanta. It's supposed to be.

Okay. So he was a Raptor. Magic. We are going to guess. Oh, T-Mack. Yes, Jason McGrady. This is Tracy McGrady. Yes, it was not Atlanta Falcon, but he wasn't Atlanta.

Elite athlete, man. He could have played for the province. What gave it away is the Raptors and the Magic and then the Hawks. No, I could have fucked the Spurs. You look on Bassel reference. It actually doesn't say the Spurs because he signed with them and only played in the playoffs. He didn't play a regular season game. Yeah, I remember him to playoff so vividly.

Yeah, he played a few games in the playoffs, but never touched regular season. So it's not on his. Wait, wait, you actually remember games of him in the playoffs? Yeah, I remember. I'm not going to say. games but I saw him in that jersey and I'm like what I don't think I remember seeing Tracy McGrady on the bench yeah but not obviously like not playing games he really like very spotman yeah exactly I don't remember who's wrong the business though not for shit okay or the

next for real remember all those games are blowouts in the finals in 2014 I'm sure he touched the finals court at the end of the games my moment is here finally wait was he there for that no he because it was 2013 2014 he never got a ring though oh no he didn't get a ring because he only played in the playoffs he wasn't there for regular season so he didn't qualify for a ring What? Yeah, I actually did read that But I was looking at that Didn't qualify for a ring

You can play That's whack That's whack Because you got guys like Because even if you could trade in midseason Like if you play enough games You still qualify for the ring Well thing about that

You come off the bench When the playoffs already start And get signed like That like anybody can get a ring Then I touch the floor In a final series I should get a ring Automatically yeah

Okay Which player is this Sons Mavs Sons Lakers Two stints with the Sons Oh wow Okay Retires a Laker

Oh my goodness This feels like Who does this else Give up on and bring back That's an interesting part It's for some reason Didn't work out the first time Exactly

It feels like I should know this And then they turn into a Laker This is the whole player, bro You probably should know this Damn Silence feels the room Hmm

Is it? Is it my mind Is it Steve Nash? Yeah Steve Nash The silence is embarrassing This is Steve Nash I don't know why

but I assume there was like a filler team that you played with. Yeah, the Mavericks, that's a filler team. The beginning of his career was so weird, drafted by the Sons, didn't do much in the beginning. They traded them to the Mavs, became a good player, but didn't make the superstar leap, went back to the Sons of Free Agency, or maybe it was a trade, I can't remember,

and became an MVP. Yeah, I never remember the first in Phoenix. It's always like Dallas, then Phoenix. He did absolutely nothing with the Sons of her time. He barely played. Next up, Golden State Warriors. Steph Curry. Dremont Green.

Incorrect, incorrect. Come on, do better. Naasteff. Clay Thompson. This is not Clay Thompson. Yeah, Clay Thompson left, genius. Shame on you. You guys really don't know this one?

I would say, come on. Jonathan Caminga. Come on. You guys are embarrassed me. We're supposed to be an NBA show and you can't tell me who this is. Moses Moody. You guys suck.

Moses Moody. No. Who the hell could this be, man? We're a long, tenured warriors here. This is Quimpost. Nice. Idiots. I did not think I was.

Quinn Post today, and I saw Quinn Post today. Respect. Yeah. My bad. Lock in. My bad, Quentin. My bad post, man. Who is this player?

Clippers, Pistons, Nets, Celtics. Oh, this is the one and only. This is Blake Griffin. Ooh, you are correct. It is Blake Griffin. This is Mr. Amazon Prime himself. This is Blake Griffin. You're on that fast.

Okay. There we go. You're on one today. I like this. Him in a Celtics jersey is such a cursed image. Yeah. The fact that. that every time you Google Blake Griffin, you see the player headshot,

it always shows the last player of the team that played for in the database. We'll always see this curse image. He got to find a way to scrub this image from the internet, like completely. It looks so washed. He looks like zapped out of all of his juice and powers. He looks sad. Yeah. I can see it in his eyes and he's on his last leg and his career.

If there was ever a picture, yo, put the, put the Pistons version of Blake on. That was, that was, hell of the different version of Blake. Okay. Next up, who is this player? Nix, Celtics, Thunder. Bulls, Nuggets, Clippers, Pelicans. Oh, man. Nick's Celtics.

Oh, no. I will say, this is probably the hardest one on this list. Okay. But also, it's very getable. It's not a nobody. But it's also not a huge somebody. Not huge. I said somebody small.

Yes. Guardish. But Nick Celtics is killing me right now. Yeah. Yeah, drafted by the Knicks. Oh, fuck Edding his crew at the Pelicans So many players

In their crew at the Pelicans That's her career is going to die You almost said Austin Rivers But he was never on OKC He also wasn't He started with the With the Pelicans for a time Oh yeah true

True, true Damn, that's kind of tough This one This is a guard I Or Big Man Yeah I don't know if I can get this one Ah damn

Honestly Just think about players That's about the Knicks I guess There's really Yeah you kind of fucked honestly It's really hard Okay, I can think about players

who were drafted by the Knicks and they moved on to the Celtics. No, not recently. This is a player drafted in the 2000s. Oh, shit. Okay. This is very hard because most of these teams

he's not memorable on whatsoever. Not at all. But he's also simultaneously a memorable player. I cannot explain to you why. Those are both true, but they are both true. Okay.

Not. Ending with the Pelicans. That's a good hint. He's very memorable, but not for playing for most of these teams. Not for what he did on the court here. Off the court guy. But also not off the court.

Okay, remember. This is A. Robinson. I was going to say, for what he did on the duck court. He was in a day of course. Yeah. This one was tough. I was hoping you get there

by the grace of God, but you did not. I completely forgot about O KC. Yeah, everybody did. Wait, didn't he have a sit with the Warriors? I think the Warriors were supposed to be on here. I think I wrote that down.

I didn't get put on the graphic. No, I forgot to write it down. But, yes. you're right he did play in the Warriors right that wouldn't have helped you but yeah he wasn't the Warriors for a second I think you don't know that yeah I know for a fucking fact next up Cleveland Cavaliers

um Darius Garland Nope Yvonne mobile A no not Yvonne Jaylon Tyson no that's a good pool come on

okay y'all are embarrassing me not Jalen Tyson you think this is funny and it's not like you think it's a joke and it's not you're playing with our record here you're playing with your reputation our record isn't even none like that for real too right now it's kind of damning right now okay who the fuck were the cavaliers Larry Nance not Larry Nance he clearly moved around he was OG not Jr

oh true I never think of him That's like, yeah, respect, man. As is the first one. The original. Come on, man. Nobody's coming to mind. Who the fuck is? This is Dean Wade.

Damn, Dean. My bad. We can't keep doing trivia games. This is going to be the performance. Dean, Wade, shout out to you. Who is this player? Sixers, sons, rockets. And rockets.

Okay. We can get some here with this. We can get somewhere with this right now. Not a whole lot to go off of But also not too many Kenyon Martin I think he did play for all the scenes didn't he But he also played for the jazz

That's not Kenyon Martin Yeah Okay junior I'm assuming you're talking about Yep KJ I don't think anybody's ever called him Kenyon Because he was by KJ Is that Kenyon Jr? Probably

Makes sense Probably Sixers Suns and Rocket Okay This is a current player Well I guess I did not say he's a current player

Yeah So there's probably Not probably but like okay safe assumption I know we can assume he's not playing

anymore but like again not a difficult one I will say that this is not difficult at all like we were actually

being upset if we don't get it oh you bring great shame upon me if you don't get it that's what I'm saying okay you will be actively

embarrassing me we'll prepare to be tart and feather yeah tart and feather why do I have to get tartin feather okay You're a six-year-son.

Because you put this monstrosity in front of us and I have no idea who is. This is Charles fucking Barclay. God, dude, come on now. You guys are not locked in. Come on now, man.

This time you're actually not locked in. Dude, come on. We could have got this. We could have got this. Oof. This hurts. Come on. This hurts.

Who is this player? Pistons, bucks, Wizards. Brandon Jennings. Not Braddon Jennings. Fuck. Okay. Not Brennan Jennings.

You're piston. Oh. Wait, you don't know this? Man, get the point, bro. Wait, you don't know this? You don't know this? You don't know this for real? I'm, you didn't know Charlie Barkley either.

Get the point, please. Everybody pointed out. I can't remember. You don't, you can't remember this? No, Chris Milton. Is who? Chris Middleton. This is Chris Middleton.

Thank you. Come on. How do you remember this? We're on the same team. We just talked about him, though. All right, let's go. Everybody point left. next up who is this player timber wolves jazz sons timber wolves calves oh you had two stints

with the yep he came home to the team that drafted him not a lot of pairs who do that this feels like Ricky Rubio yeah wow this is Ricky Rubio there we go can't get Charles Barking but we can get Ricky Rubio in an instant yeah yeah that I codomy he'll be so to me man next up who is this player raptors suns raptors rockets bucks heats sixers clippers nicks first of all Jesus Christ

a lot of words many words double raptors mentioned 18s right okay there's not a lot of players who were double raptors that kind of helps that is honestly loki a good thing to go off of

yeah that kind of help but I don't think you probably you probably don't know this guy started his career at the raptors like that probably isn't super shocking but if I asked you always started a teen you might have forgotten

damn and he was a clip or two shit he was a lot of things yeah he's been everywhere but when you're a clipper is like ooh man

you're kind of when you got this many team there's got to be some unremarkable ones some forgettable Luka Boutte you're so close

you are so close Al-Fruca-Mine you are further away now okay you were less close than you once were okay I was Luka Mute

close that's so for you That is so close. Unbelievable close. You couldn't be closer. PJ Tucker. This is PJ Tucker. They stood next to each other on defense.

You couldn't have been closer. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yep, PJ. Currently on the Knicks. Active player somehow. He resigned? Wow. I believe so, right?

He had signed a two-year deal. Oh, okay, wow. Last year during the season. Best Clapper in the league. Yeah, is he still. I think he is, yeah. Best Yeller in the league. Yep.

And that's the last one. Best is the worst performance we ever had, genuinely. No, no. we've probably had worse. Yeah, and I'll probably cut it. Missing Charles Barkley? Crazy, come on now. Okay, next thing we're going to do,

I'm going to name some NBA teams and I wanted you to tell me if you think they're going to win more or less games than they did last season. Okay, let's do it. Talk to me. So, you know, think about all things. The roster talent, the coaching,

the state of the conference, whatever comes in the equation, will this team win more games in the regular season, that is? First off, Los Angeles Lakers winning 50 last year. I think they're going to surprise a lot of people. I think they're going to underestimate

Luca Donchis in the MVP years. that he potentially might have. LeBron still got more in him. DeAndre Aidan, it's DeAndre Aid, but it's not Jackson Hayes. So with that being said, I think they will win more than 50 games. Now is he not Jackson Hayes. He is not Alex Lenn. My God, you guys had Alex Lynn last year for me.

Correct. I'm so sorry. And that's why I also agree. I think 51 wins is in the car for the Lakers. Hell yeah. But guess what? That's more than 50. It is.

I'm thinking it's a cool 56 win season. That's a lot. 56 is a lot. I think Luke is very good at basketball. I understand that. You are also, what, three weeks away? Or not three weeks, but like, LeBron can miss three weeks at any time.

You can say that about anybody. LeBron does he miss time? You can say that about anybody. Yeah. You literally, you said those words about maybe one of the last players, I would say, is going to miss three weeks. When was the last time he missed three weeks? I mean, the man's 41.

It's been a minute. And when he was 40, he didn't miss three weeks. Yeah, it's been a minute. When he was 39. We've seen the whole championship windows when he was like, like, just like a year and a half ago. No, I know. He can't get hurt.

Because he's missing time. Sure, he can get hurt, but it's not like he's like injury prone. So I think, probably 54, 55, I think it's pretty possible. I agree. Next up, Oklahoma City Thunder winning 68 last season. Yeah, that's coming down. They're winning less. Really?

I understand the idea that like they're going to be better. And granted, all time, all time defense, all of that. if we're talking about winning more games put the bet in that they're just going to win the most games like 69 70 games that's a lot I mean Chet missed half the season Isaiah Hardenstein missed a big chunk they had no backup point guard now they do

whenever this when the Warriors won 73 they won like 60 the year before that you're right but 65 actually but while all those things you said is true Chet assuming he's healthy they will be a better team but that doesn't mean that they'll necessarily win more games because the Western Conference also did get a lot better as well.

You got a full year of Luca. Yeah, the Clippers got better to a degree. The Denver Nugas got better. The Warriors have Jimmy Buller for a whole season, though they're going to be better as well. All these teams are good last year. The West wasn't soft last year.

But they got better, though, is what I'm saying? Maybe a little bit, but I don't think enough that it would change their outlook. I just think, I just think 68 is a lot of wins to replicate. Yeah.

And so I'm going to go under. They might win 67, though. Yeah, I'm going under. I think they might win 70. I guess obviously injuries will come into play. But, like, I don't think a team that's going to take their foot off the gas

and, like, hosting the regular season the way some veteran teams do. So, I don't know. I kind of feel like to be just as dominant. There's no reason to, outside of like, it's hard to do that every year, which it is. But like, if I'm actually looking at like reasons to

and not just like assuming because people don't do that very often, I don't have a reason to doubt they'll do it again. It's hard. I mean, we're talking about them starting off. It's hard to do it once and they did it. Like, I don't know. Like 17 and O again.

Like, would that really shock you? Yeah. Yeah. Anytime you can win 17 games. in a row, it shocks me, regardless of who it is. Yeah, I mean, again, like law of averages, it's not that many teams do that on an average 10-year block, so I get it.

But if there was ever going to be a team where I assume they'll dominate again, it would be this one. So you are saying more? Sure, for the sake of this game, sure. Okay. No, no, not even for the sake of this game. Well, am I putting money down to wins? How do you feel in your gut,

in your loins? Do you feel like the Thunder are winning more? Yeah, I think there'll be a 68 win team plus again. I have no reason not to. Yeah. I'm not like fucking putting my reputation on it because anything can happen. But like I have with how much diversity ever came last year, I have zero reason I doubt they can do it again.

Okay. No, I need your rent money. I need that. The Boston Celtics. Clearly less. Hell no. The question is will they win half as many games next year? Yeah.

They should. If now that, think about their depth like Jalen Brown, Derek White, Anthony Simons. Peyton Pritchard. if Jalen Brown tweaks an ankle they're going to go winless for two weeks their debt is non-existent you clearly don't know what Payne Pritchin is capable of

you clearly don't know what Sam Hauser's capable of man my bad we didn't say his name all episode we should have mentioned him right now respect now this will be a cool 43 win team if they don't tank on purpose 43's a lot he almost threw up man

for 43 if they don't tank if some injuries happen and they lose on purpose and obviously that changes but if they're fully healthy for a full year to a regular health level not fully healthy no one's at 43 wins

they're definitely gonna win the last is all I don't know about the number we ain't gonna be no damn 60 or 50 men yeah not touching a 5 on the front of that number

fuck no are you still touch a 4 they could touch 4 I think they touch 4 they can't will day is a question

I wouldn't do it right now I'm thinking like 38 for them nah I guess they could stealthily tank towards the second half

of the season that wouldn't be shocking I just like I don't think that they are going to be a hard team to play because Missoula is like a madman. And they're going to shoot a hundred threes. Yeah. So like on a Tuesday night in December, you know, like they're going to knock down like 19 threes

and beat somebody. Yeah, there will be games where they literally hit 33s and they're like, wow, they could beat anybody. Are they still contenders? Then they get their basketball out the next night. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I just realized, too, the playmaking gap on the seam is insane.

The hole is insane. Who's rebounding? You know what? Yeah, I also don't know that. The playmaking thing is underrated. If I can beat my man one-on-one every single time, like Peyton Pritchard can, yeah, I'm scoring 30. I'm curious.

Derek White's going to be like full-time point guard. That's going to be really interesting for sure. Jaylen Brown full-time score. I think Jaylen Brown will step into a number one option as a score pretty nicely. Like, he's equipped to do that. It's not like he's being forced-fed off of Jason Tatum playmaking anyways. He gets a lot of isolation buckets. He gets your cool 27.

Yeah, like those two will do well. It's just like the big man rotation is anemic. Yeah. Nick's last year they won 51 are they gunning for 60 they can go for 60 I don't think I don't know if they're gonna get it but they can be sniffing 60 for sure high 50s you think high 50s I think we just like really think that Tibbs held them back in a regular season sense I think Mike Brown's gonna give them an entirely new fresh worth of air and he's gonna like make this more of an even balanced offense for sure would that lead to more regular season and wins to that much of a degree though yes yeah I think so yes it will better bodies on this team too they were they're deeper too which helps they were they were there were plenty games last year where they lost because it was like you know why are we just making things hard on ourselves yeah and so now that i think having mike brown in there making the offense much more uh modern whatever but like that don't that'll help and i think having mackale bridges be be more comfortable not having to play the the celtics the like celtics four times a year

yeah we can add four wins to that or three we got actually know because they never beat the celtics in the regular season. Add four wins to that. Oh, interesting. Okay, that's decent logic, actually. Yeah, true. And Mr. Robinson is healthy now. Yeah.

I'm missing the full first half of the season. So, okay. I really bother them being more hard of an out in the playoffs. I'm not out on like the regular season jumping there. I just don't know. I have no clue how to decipher how much of a regular season jump it'll be. Yeah. Yeah, all these other teams are just out of the mix.

Oh, the east is worse. Yeah, I don't see them like getting, having much issue with anybody other than like maybe. be the Cavs. That's it. Yeah. That's going to be a war in the regular season. But there will be two games where we play the Hawks and the score is going to be like 135 to 136 and we probably will lose two of those. It's going to split.

Yeah. Orlando Magic winning 41 last season. Man, I pray they win more than 41. They better. If they don't win over 41 games, you need to fire everyone in that building. No one can come back, not even the mascot. If they win sub 40, Franz Wagner, get ready to speak Charlotte Hornet. you're getting tattoos with Lamello. We are blowing the team up if they lose more than 40 games.

I am trading you away so fast. The leash could not be even shorter. We're going to swap you for Brennan Miller in an instinct, an instance. Yeah, there's just, there's absolutely no way. The fact that Paolo missed all the time that he did within oblique, Franz missed all that time within oblique. Like, if those two guys are relatively healthy and you had Desmond Bain, if you do not, in this Eastern Conference,

if you do not win minimum 46 games, fire. Relegation. On top of that, too. We're taking back the New Jersey's. We're taking back to the city. Dude, we're taking back their team from them. They don't belong in Orlando no more.

Powell's going to go to Seattle. He's going to go home while Franz is in Charlotte. We're changing everything up. No, I'm making this team actually pay. You're going to Vancouver, buddy. Come on now. Is that Cooper nice? I don't know.

I watched a video about that the other day, actually. That's random. I moved from, but yeah. Is it like a good sport? Fort City? I don't even know. Yeah. They're serious about their hockey. I know Toronto is a beautiful city, like top tier. I don't know what the other major Canadian cities are like. I have no idea. I could name you more than two Canadian cities. There's a thing. Toronto is elite and players still hate playing. I got three. I got three cities.

What's the other one? You got Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal. Oh, shit. Oh, which is cities we know. Oh, we're not even like cities we know that are good. Oh, no. We just know the United Cities, yeah. I also know those three. I got three. Yeah, okay. Next up. A guy used to work with. He's from Halifax. nice fuck four no I'm saying

nice Golden State Warriors last year winning 48 guess what I don't know they were in 48 again

exactly the same exactly the same remember last year they were a disaster in the first half yeah and then they went 18 and three

like that's also a crazy run so like it'll probably balance out of a little what if that's sustainable what if that thing is just like real it'd be bothered

and they can at least in a regular season sense what if that's sustainable to some degree everybody's also a year older though

yeah we have no idea you're adding even more age when Al Horford comes in eventually we'll see if they happen to but like we there's so there's so many old questions about this team i think i feel comfortable saying they're going to win more but not much more though i do 40 is a lot of wins it is but it isn't though like we've seen the warriors like it's it is for

most teams for the warriors we know they have enough juice around stuff it's not crazy to think they can get to 50 but i think i agree i think around 48 is probably what's going to be yeah which really means it could be anywhere from 46 to 51 like that'll be the general range i think the sweet numbers for me is like 51, 52. For sure. You say more. Yeah, I'm going to say right. 51 might be like the fucking five seat or six seats.

So like, and that checks out for them. Yeah. If the Lakers are like five and the clippers are four, like, tell me there's six right below those teams. Yeah, yeah, 51. Yeah, they'll be, they'll win more. Chicago Bulls last year winning 39. This year again, 39.

Locate, I mean, no, they, they can win more. This is a down year. The Chicago Bulls. Bulls are 41, 41 every year. I forget Kobe White is there. 42 and 40? Oh, yeah, you're swimming for the fences now. I'm sorry.

Don't get that bullshit. That's too excited. My bad. Don't be a little too much for Homer. My bad. I know we moved here and all, but don't get to do. 43? Now you're expecting a miracle.

Yeah, that's a lot of those. That's a lot of it. Come on. I can go 41 and 41. More. You know, I'm going to be lofty. I'm going to go 42. Dude, you're fucking insane.

I'm going to stop glazing so much. Clippers at 50. I think they're going to be right. At 50, probably. they might win more they might win more they might win more they're very well equipped

for the regular season yeah I really like the and we talked about it early I really like the John Collins edition and Brooke Lopez is kind of wash but for 10 minutes a game behind Zubodge like that's good that's valuable I like those two

the fact that you do have Bradley Bill and like that is true Bradley Bill's there again and Bradley Bills good on 5 million a year instead of 50 facts so that that's one of the more underrated talking points in the league this year is that we're going to talk about him

way different now that he's not an Albatross of a contract. Yeah. Yeah. Same dude. Just different contracts. That's a barry now. Like,

that's good. Yeah. 18 points a game on slightly above average true shooting percentage? 5 million. You could do a lot worse. I can see them winning more. I can see them winning like 53 games or 54 games for sure. Yeah, I'm going to say more for them.

Yeah. I think they'll be around the same as the Lakers, both around 55. I think those are two really good regular season teams. Spurs at 34. It's about time to get more. It should be more. I think like everybody's trying to convince themselves. that the spurs can be like some 45 win team that might be a bit much let's get to 500 first

but you have to see improvement from this team because we're starting to we saw earlier wendy's the fifth best player in the in the world yeah it's about to be that time they got to 34 without having a full season of dearon fox he was traded there only played a certain amount of games and got like fully shut down they can definitely hit 40 games not just without full season dearon fox without victor wem and yama exactly too they better win 40 like be insane if they want less. Yeah, I agree. They should smash this. Assuming no more blood clots.

Which I don't think that's a recurring thing. So I think we can feel fine, but he's not injury prone or anything. So, yeah, more than 40. Yeah. But probably not more than 43. I think there's going to be a very middling team. Yeah. There's baby steps.

Their team is still so young. But then again, I don't know, Fox and Wendy. That's going to be like a lot of regular season, like, floor. Yeah. Their bench and their depth still has to be worked out a lot. But how many teams have a top five players? and don't have like that gets you pretty far in the regular season i think i agree i think 40 wins like is the expectation yeah i don't know if high 40s 50 is where we think it's mid 40s for me

personally yeah yeah 45 is like the ceiling i think yeah i agree well let me not say ceiling because maybe maybe i can't say i can't see yeah 50 that means like someone took a massive leap i could see harper being a day one star and when i say star i mean relatively for a ricky you know Like a Donovan Mitchell rookie season, not like a... Donovan Mitchell's really good his rookie year. You're right. It's a bad example. That's like one of the best rookie seasons.

But whatever that means, you know, like something that's clearly a star for the day one. If he like comes in and is like actually like productive and can play with any line of his shooting, specifically the shooting, like isn't as much of an issue when he can shoot like 33% from three point line, I can see that. But I hope we're better than that. But yeah, Donovan Mitchell is a bad example because he was borderline all star. But I mean, whatever it looks like when somebody's clearly on Star trajectory year one, if that is him, which really means for the grand scheme of things like a great. great role player, I could see this team being subtly good. Okay. But that's also asking a lot from rookies.

And I'm certainly not betting the over or anything. Nets at 26. Hell no. They're losing more, winning less. I think they might literally win half of this. 13. We're on single digit watch with the Nets this year. This team might be terrible. Nah, single digits really ever happens.

I'm obviously joking with that. But have you seen Michael Porter Jr.? Dribble? It did look bad. You're going to see it a lot this year. And I was just that media day. Yeah. Winsle hard. No one is hounding them. It's not going to go well.

Yeah. They're going to probably win like 15 games. Let's do it. Hey, starting today, we are on single digit watch for the Brooklyn Nets. Oh, my God. We're certainly on like sub 15 watch. Oh, for sure. I think sub 20 is a lock.

Easily. Like, I think, like, I know people are like down on the jazz is like they're tanking, tanking for real this year. I'll be shocked if this isn't the worst team in the league. If this isn't. like the worst team and if they somehow get over like 17 wins that means like some young player one of those five rickies so maybe two of them really stand out yeah i i want i wanted to have the tracker on both ends of the can o kc get to 70 and can they win nine games you know what's

funny those can both happen and they can help each other hmm it is listen this is a stacked NBA right now there's a lot of contenders that they all stay healthy that helps the team like this get to nine wins. Okay. Oh, yeah. I'm thinking 13 is probably realistic number. Okay. Hornets at 19. They'll win more. They got to win more. I'm thinking about 27.

I would say I agree, but we also said this last year. Yes, but last year we were like, they who went 30 something. And Grant Williams. This year, I'm dropping it. Yeah, Grant Williams is healthy. They got Yusuf Nurchage now. Colin Sexton is there. Colin Knapples there. Those are four like, like, useful

players. Like, we're here. Hornets FC man you were that battle that they had like yeah and I told you I'm firmly Wizards FC I don't remember who I was man Yusuf Nurkidge Grant Williams and a rookie a rookie I like and Colin Sexton and I do like Colin Sexton I do like Colin Sexton but I also am not impacting a team's win line because they added Colin Sexton

Brandon Miller's healthy now great yeah they're gonna win more than they should win over the 19 bro they should but I'm kind of sick of hoping so just barely this This is what my line is, I'm not saying that you're going to win 30 games. And I refuse to be like, this is the year.

Hornets can be sneaky in the playing. Absolutely not. At this rate, I've been burned so many times with the Lomello era Hornets. I'd rather than surprise me and be a good team. And I got to say I was wrong. I'm no longer going to say they're going to be good. I can't deal with that. That's a level of being wrong.

That would be insanity. You know what? Single did you watch? No, man. Oh, man. Fuck. The Phoenix Suns, 36 wins last year. honestly sadly they're going to win less they might win like 32 games they're not bad enough

to be on single to watch obviously they're gonna they're gonna win more than like 25 games is there 16 and 40 at the deadline I mean yo debit I'll drive down there and pick you on myself I did that math wrong I did that math what you if there's 16 and like 25 I'm pacing for 20 and pacing for 20 For 32 wins, that better trade Devin Booker. Devin, I will pick you with myself, brother. I mean, you could, well, honestly, no, no, you could be like 16 and 40 by the All-Star break.

And, like, the trade deadlines, like a week before it. Yeah. How many games are played, like, 55 games before the All-Star break? It's more than half. It's like, yeah, it's like two-thirds of the season now. Yeah, I think it's like 58 games or something like that. It's not 60, but it's a good chunk. It's like at least 50.

They could be 16 and 40. Devin, I'll buy you a train ticket, right? Come on now. You're going to put Devin book on the ground. Yeah, man. Amtrak. Something, man. I give you a nice VIP seat. The seating isn't that big. But come on, man. We can do better for you. Where are you sending him? Dude, not there. I don't know. I will figure that out later. This is a dire situation. I don't know. He just can't be there. He just can't be away from Ed. Yeah. Just away from Ed Ispia. Please. You're like a parent who's a kid through a party. I don't care where you go, but you can't stay here. Facts Get your shit and get out, Devin

That's just a plot of cars Oh my God I got to rewatch the movie, man Just get on Route 66 Route 66 Route is crazy by the way It's Route 66 Get your lingo up

Say it like a true mid What are even not Midwestern What are you calling that The Middle of America? A true middle of America A true middle of America It's gonna slur It does

You name America It's that ER, man You put the ER on anything It sounds offensive You point your finger Yeah Okay Next thing we're gonna do

I'm gonna name some NBA duos For the season I want you guys to blind rank them Okay Let's do So NBA duos Yeah they're all current In this league right now

So you can use that to help you But five duos You blind rank How good you think they'll be this year First one Kevin Durant and Sangoon. Sengu's going to be a lot better.

Kevin Durant should help him. Less pressure on. I'm going like two. These are two players that were all-stars last year. You have Kevin Durant, one of the best scores in the game. Sangoon seems to be taking a leap. And now that now that there's no Fred Van Bleet and like probably going to have to lean on him for some more playmaking, his game might grow a little bit this year.

Okay. A little bit more. I'll go two for them. Two is okay. I will be conservative with three. but I don't think two is nuking us at all like it's not insane to say like oh yeah like

these two will be one of the better duels in the league especially from front court yeah your list isn't ruined by putting them on two no matter who's really said okay Janus and Miles Turner

four but Janus is like it's a top three player in the world that carries a lot as far as Drew a girl is like I understand it but like Katie is a top 12 player

Sangoon is a top 25 each player I don't know I think I feel good about putting them at three Because I can look at any other duo And I'd rather have Yonis on my team And Miles Turner who is a good compliment Yeah it's not like I said Yonis and Kevin Porter Like if you said Yonis and Coos

I'm like They're not on this list Scotty Barnes and Brandon Ingram Five Five five No hope for four They could be four No, genuinely, no, real shit, they could be four.

They could be four. No, real shit, four is your ceiling. They could be four. I understand you, but we also both said five, four reasons. I said five lightly because I'm like, yeah, they're not like, it's a different caliber of players. I love how passionate you got. Real shit, they could be four. Not one, not two, not three.

They could be four. I could argue. I can give you a great argument as to why they could be four. What does that mean? They're like the 16th best do in the league? Sure. And do you know what that means? That means if you're the 16th best do in the league,

you should be a playoff team and if they're a playoff team that means experiment has worked I don't think it means that it should work okay so going number five with Scotty and Ingram

Raptors fans you guys say we hate you and you know what probably can't get mad at it you probably deserve it it's probably deserved hate I get it you probably should hate us work up to four

they can do it Devin Booker and Jalen Green I told you man I told him the shit his ass I told him They could have been four They should have been four I'm sorry Raptors fans

My bad God damn My bad I don't think he was gonna pull this out Pause But like You should know I'm gonna pull it out

You should know I mean we'll go for Obviously but Yeah this should be five Yeah I mean different book is great I don't know That's like crazy

Different Book is good But he's not good enough To Come on man Steve sucks I got Julian green man So what's left

Number one Yeah You guys didn't fill number one. So number one, we have AD and Cooper Flag. We fucked up bad. I mean, this is bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no world.

So we should have put Rockets at 1? Yeah, Rockets at 1 for sure. But listen, if Cooper Flag is the prince who was promised, year 2, this would be the correct list number 1. Yeah, we should have put them in number 1. He's going to fulfill the privacy in year 1. Fuck it. All-Star year 1.

First rookie all-star in a long time. We did get nothing right on this list. Listen, that's 27 walking in the door. With Anthony Davis, it's still all-N-B-A. I think this is like, we went 0-4-5 for the first time. No, you put Janus and Turner at 3. That was perfectly appropriate. They should have been number two, I think.

Looking back at this. And having... Oh, over 80 and flag at 3? Yeah, yeah, I guess they're damn at three. I don't go, fuck. Yeah, they're done-or-chalk. Either one. Yeah, I guess this does.

I guess this does suck. I guess you guys do a horrible job. This is old-for-five to me, man. Damn it. But I... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't copy any, please. Yeah. Next thing we're going to do, last thing we're going to do,

the NBA off-season is over, for the most part. We're entering training camps, entering pre-season. So it's only right that we send the off-season off-rights. We are going to pick the winners and losers of the NBA summer. Okay. So we'll start with the winners. Go over every person, team, concept, idea, whatever means to you, who won the summer.

I will go first. The first winner of the summer is body shaming. Simply put, elite athletes are the one group in America that you can look them in the face and say you're fat and they have to say, I guess you're right. They're not allowed to be upset about it. They have to get in the lab. They have to do push-ups.

And it worked wonders this summer. Shout out to Luca and damn near Zion. Not a little bit late. Not damn near Zion. No, shout-out. He missed the bus because he didn't start the tour. He just popped out. Like, straight of this is me now.

No, you know what that means? He was moving in silence. Yeah, he was out there. You know what that means? You're not in the dark. Hope not. He went to the D.R. He got that.

You can get G. Up to one anywhere now. You can go to Walgreens. No, no, no. He didn't get that. He got what Drake got. He got that procedure. You know?

He went somewhere remote. He got that picture of the guy putting his belly against a fence. And shipping and alerts. That's what baby. Body shaming has worked. And now Lupus to be the MVP. Zion's going to be all NBA. He was on the plane.

He was on a plane. He was on a plane kneeling down on the seat. what the fuck you're kneeling backwards on the plane back they're not going to know that reference you got to look up on Google type in BBL on a plane see what happens when they come back

yeah body shaming has worked it's allowed it's encouraged it's almost like necessary if you have a disappointing young star okay who's your first winner okay me first winner man I found out

that Uncle Dennis is one of the and his paper chases of all time. There's never been anybody, any NBA family member who's been chasing paper as hard as Uncle Dennis man. That is a true, a generation of bad gooder. There's a report today.

He asked the Lakers for a percentage of ownership in the team. Who the fuck are you, right? Jeannie bustle and the kick rocks, bitch. Dude, are you dumb? If he asked me that, I would stop everything that I'm doing and I would be like, yo,

Kawhi Linderer, I'm asking you, check on your man. percentage of my organization? And that's just of an organization. Of the Lakers? Are you crazy? What are we talking about? You think you're Magic Johnson?

The fuck, man. That's because everybody was hyping up Kauai after 2019 in the championship. They were talking about him. He was literally running around like his buck, asking for ownership of a generational franchise. I mean, mind you, they probably wouldn't win a title. Yes, man.

I don't think it's worth giving up ownership to the Lakers who win a title. Like a percentage of ownership, Brad? There's only like, what? Give him like 0.5%. Fuck no. hell not even then it's such a bad precedent like it's just a crazy thing there's only one player in the NBA right now maybe two actually

players in the NBA right now who you actually consider giving them first off I don't even know if it's allowed that's the crazy thing it's definitely not it's definitely illegal too but if there's a there's two players who deserve it under investigation right now because they didn't tell them no you know only one to do it is curry and like LeBron for the Cavs that's fucking it bro

either way Uncle Dennis runs with an iron fished paper chaser he runs the streets of LA for real man my first one Nicola Yochich's mental health. Dude, I wrote Nicola Yokic, parentheses. Doesn't have to talk to MPJ. I saw, I mean, listen, the podcast run that MPJ has been on, the sentences that have been

uniquely stated. Dude. I said for my, my losers, I said podcast mics when they see MPJ. They're running for it out of life, man. I saw, I saw a tweet today where he was saying that he spends like $250 a day in Uber since he moved to New York, which honestly. I can kind of understand for him. Like, if he's Uber and everywhere and he's probably taking like Uber blacks or whatever, I can see it.

But somebody quote to him and they were like, how did Denver get him to not talk about that? No, they had a unique program in place to get him to be quiet. And you saw the, Sean Marks. You know what the program is? We got three Serbians who are breaking up. If you open your mouth twice a week. Sean Marks on the media day press conference to ask him on Michael Ford Jr.'s comments. And he was like, yeah.

Michael just has to know the values you hold as an organization about certain topics They're like yeah We're gonna tell him to shut up pretty soon He had his summer of fun Now he needs to fucking zip it Oh yeah

Nicole Yokic massive winner Nongagrass to speak This man on a consistent basis Next winner Jalen Brenson's knees Tom Tiva is not there anymore To ruin his body At that rate of that usage

He was gonna be in a wheelchair by 34 Dude now his career real life extended by at least five years bro his mental health too yeah every 48 minute game was like a week of his lifespan off

he's at the retire three weeks earlier everything with time he said jalen please go save us go throw your shoulder in everybody's chest go jump stop

pivot 13 million times to get a shot on we're gonna make it easier yeah but now he's gonna have play it the career and life of a nice normal star player that isn't treated

like he's a machine life is good 46 minutes a night actually get ready to get nice and comfy. My next

winner, Dynasties. It seems like Dynasties might be back up. The Thunder after winning a championship, they said, hey,

guess what? We did that. And Jalen Williams, his wrist was torn up. Yep. Chet Hungren, his hip obviously was broken and we signed them

to contracts. And it's not the crazy, crazy supermax. They just got straight maxes. They have to reprove themselves. It's not a crazy deal. Once again, they are set up to go out and do it again.

If dynasties are back up, the NBA, the feeling might be restored. Listen. And guess what? You guys are going to hate it if she is the face of the next dynasty in the NBA. Championships are back on the menu. Multiple. Hell yeah. My next winner is a storyline of face of the league.

We've been pushing certain guys to go ahead and be the face of league. We talked about time and time again. Anthony Edwards don't. Does not want to beat that. We don't want to give that to Jason Tatum. But Wemby, yo, the storyline with him is undeniable. He's been going on like a speed run of just stories and building up his like lore to becoming the face of the league.

So you think narratives. The next prince who was promises here, the next king of the league. And the story behind it is perfectly set up. Okay. Only the winner I have. I didn't finish this thought. I just wrote comminga. And I don't know why I wrote comminga.

Something had to come after that because he's certainly not a winner. So what I'm going to say is I'm going to change it on the spot for my previous notes. Biggest winner, Caminga haters. Camiga haters have been given fuel this summer saying, see, nobody wants them. Why would we pay them? Everything's gone poorly for Kiminga and talks. Why would we pay him?

Why we pay him? I don't want to pay him. That is such a niche reference. I promise you nobody knows what you're talking about, but I do. But yeah, if you were somebody who did not believe in John DeComingo, this has been a good summer for you. Hell yeah.

Really, haters of controversial players in general. Cam Thomas didn't get his contract. Yeah. Dude, Zach Lowe was so up. You can't say nothing Because professionalism, whatever Winner But I'll say it for you, you are up

You won that shit Tell them Tell them, tell them, get your weekside Reads on Get your weekside reads on Get your team defense on Let me see you tag a roll man, Camp Thomas

Man, Man, okay You have a winner? I got a winner And then it's like Transition to a loser too Winner, Tray Young First time ever

Well, one of the few times We went ahead and seen like an NBA player versus I guess now at this point in time ex-MBA player beef between Trey and Patrick Beverly. Yeah, stand up for your man. Go ahead.

As soon as that happened, Trey didn't even really get no bars off for real. But when that did happen, just because everyone it hates Patrick Beverly, stomped him out, bro. He killed him. Trey got bars off. The writing, excellent.

The delivery, not so much. I think we need to get in a lab of Trey when you get him on the show and we need to like give him roasting advice. Because he has the ideas up here. His pen game is sick. But he's that type of rapper that has to write for other rappers Because he doesn't quite have the delivery going

He's Quentin Miller He's Quentin Miller He's a who's one like he's rapper Connie? He's Rhapsody He's like, no, not Rhapsody Who want to think of it? Rhymefest He's Ryan Fest

Yeah, Rhapsody's the, yeah, no But he has a pen He just needs to work on the delivery Talk a little faster Regardless, everybody hates you right now, Patrick Beverly No one's on your side Massive loser I got you, I got you

My next winner Gaslighting Oh I feel like I have been gaslit or people have attempted to gaslight me across different things. One, I feel like Janus and Shams have attempted to gaslight me into thinking that he is the most loyal man in the NBA. That is not true. Speak on it. I feel like Steve Balmer has tried to gaslight me into thinking that nothing fishy happened.

I don't think that's true. Steve Bomber is moving like we're stupid. He definitely is true. You guys like we're dumb as fuck. Yes. Dude. go ahead my bad no i just i just think like people are trying he's in a world a scam he's in a world of gaslighters

all by yourself you're all lying to be yeah they're trying to I see through the facade let me see how I can make it worse and we can cock some schemes exactly you got some shit I can convince them of or try to yeah it's not it's not gonna happen we can do that we do that often oh yeah I don't know if you don't watch house call we're shaving his head

at the charges in the super bowl that is not oh yeah that's not it's happening he shot a gas like me about pretending we're not shaving his head that's the crazy part It's going to happen. It's going to happen. Okay, biggest loser, NBA agents. You guys got to know, Pablo is lurking.

All those endorsement deals you guys have been doing that are fake, you better start making those Instagram posts. He's looking around. They said Andrew Wiggins posted about her product for the first time. I think it was mac and cheese.

He posted about athlete mac and cheese the day after the colloquium vote. Never seen him before a day of my life. He's like, I'm proud to be a sponsor of athlete cheese. They're moving with caution now And that's really all it takes If you have any

Like retweet, bookmark anything It can count as promotion And that's all you need to do Folks ain't no more free labor, bro God damn Look at this It just says pasta It says athlete pasta

I'm like that I can't pull it up Sports is a sport pasta What the fuck do we be selling man now we're we're money laundering he this came out the day after the aspiration stuff wiggins agent said make that post right now pablo's coming he's like omar yeah every NBA agent is moving different oh my gosh sports pasta that's fucking crazy what we've been talking about where's that even mean it's spasta with like athletes on the cover and like that folks

is going to buy this? Oh, they're going bankrupt. No, they don't think this is a fake product. This doesn't exist.

Pablo, we need to have a conversation. We might have another breakthrough. I've never seen sports pasta. I'm trying to see if I can buy this right now.

Let's look at a sports post. Do you think anybody would care if he came out like, Andrew Wiggins was paid on the side for the Miami Heat? Like, that's the most random player I can think of.

I'm Googling sports pasta. I see on Did I say postabilities? This is a random app called or Vita Coast Vita cost. I'm looking at a sports pasta I just type you in and click shopping.

Dude, where is this pasta? I found it. I found it. They're real but they're only on this site called Oh. So it's not real. Vita cost and quench US.

That sounds like the fakeest words I've ever heard. Let me look at the macros. sports oh there it is there it is okay they got 18 grand of protein oh i see oh i see quench hydration quench with the sea oh you're so stupid oh i hate you so much i wonder okay i wonder who manufactures yeah what's the macros on this the macs are they're decent

this is hilarious this shit does not exist it says okay okay okay should i buy some of this just taste a live test chena waste money 18 grams of protein 60 grams of carbs okay 300 calories for one fourth of the pack so it's not low calories It's not healthy 1,200 calories So the whole thing

Damn It's just spaghetti It's just noodles It's just spaghetti Literally like there's no difference It's spaghetti But they put athletes on the front Unidentifiable athletes

Okay Sorry to blow up your spot Andrew Wiggins We didn't do that Pablo did that Oh no I did that True Pablo didn't mention sports Oh true

Who's the next loser All right the next loser All right The next loser is bucket getters worldwide. Small guard bucket getters too. Your talents are not being valued in the NBA.

We saw people have to attach assets to Colin Sexton to get off of his deal to bring back use of Nurchage. Cam Thomas had to take the qualifying offer. Zach Levine has to play in Sacramento because nobody wants him. If you are, and he's not even a small guard,

but if you are a guard and your favorite pastime is getting buckets, I'm sorry. Your days in the NBA are very limited. They're very numbered. And people don't value you the way that you might see yourself. And I know that that can be a hard transition because your entire life. Everyone told you, yo, he's nice. He gets buckets. And then you get to this place and they say, buckets, we don't care about that. Get in the stance. Now I got to play defense. Now I got to pass the ball. Shut up. Now I have to have high basketball IQ. Now I have to contribute to winning.

But I'm just trying to get my game off, get a nice IG picture and go out to dinner at night. That's all I want to do. And you're messing up the vibe. I really do feel bad for them, and they are one of the major losers of the NBA all season. Unbelievable. It's tough. Pull one out. It's tough out here. Mo, who's your next loser?

Shit. You say all that, but there's one guy who stands alone and who can be the glorified bucket for this year. And he's a major, oh, he's not even a loser for him. He's a major winner, actually, because he can do this with no expectations, Jalen Brown. No one gives a flying fuck about the Celtics. No one expects him to win 50 games, 45 games, or none of that. He can go ahead and go home, get his 27 points, 26 points a game. And no one's going to be like, hey, bro, why didn't you go ahead and he did it?

Nope, none of that. Best players hurt. Team is depleted. Drew Holiday's no longer there. Get your buckets. Go home. I'm sorry. I'm still thinking about sports pasta.

That's ridiculous. Sports pot is ridiculous. Okay. Next loser. Pelicans fans. Joe Dumars is in your life now. You're fucked, dude. Shout out Zion for getting skinny.

Shout out Herb Jones. Unhealthy. Shout out Trey Murphy for making the next leap to an elite role player. Joe Dumars is above it all. You are profoundly fucked. No, dude. Someone who's even more fucked is definitely the Phoenix Suns fans. They still have Matt Isbia there and they're losers specifically. Matt Isb is a loser because he has zero accountability. He will not go ahead and admit that an instance or the experience that he ran was terrible, bro. He's always going to try to find gaslight his way into telling you this is what we really wanted. The whole plan was to go ahead and get KD so we can trade him away and target him

for Dylan Brooks. Those are real words that came out of his mouth. I'm not lying to you, bro. You wrote Suns fans. I just wrote Devin Booker. That was my next loser.

He's the saddest millionaire in the world. Oh. Over the last four years, every off season, he's been a loser. Like, he's been one of the losers

of the office season. Think about it. In 2021, they made the finals. And since then, they have depleted that roster time and time again. They went and got Kevin the rent,

traded so much for it. And even when you thought that it was going to work between him and KD. Then they traded Kevin Durant away. And now we're here with him, with a big three of Devin Booker, Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks. And last loser I have, Kevin Durant, once again playing without a point guard. Damn.

This man cannot find a team that has passers. Why does he have to be the point for it everywhere he goes? It's unfortunate. I don't know. It's a damning situation, man. He just, he just cursed. Like, I guess. Damn.

He really is cursed. He's playing a great carmic debt for the warrior. for the Warriors era and how much he pissed everybody off and how much he's like enraged the fans that hate him for it on purpose which more power to them they're annoying hey man carmic debt is here the basketball gods do not lie like you shouldn't have fucked with our good old glorious sport shouldn't have fucked with one of the greatest rival rivalries of all time the state of Oklahoma hexed him the population of Oklahoma they got him and it can't be mad at it too at least I'm not hex him too I don't want any injuries though I'm mad that happened that fucked us He's not willing to stand on the hex. That's crazy. Not when he comes to players getting into it. I just wanted to play with no point cards. And that is the end of our winners and losers.

And that is the end of this episode. This is the end of part one of our four week series previewing the season. Before we get to opening week, I hope y'all enjoyed this one. We got three more weeks of preview before we do our official predictions. Got three more for you. You go through more for you. If we're still here, comments, Donovan, you're going to shave your head. Because it's, again, we set out on house call yesterday.

If you're not here, go check out. the house club so we just power ranked every NFL team we confirmed with him if the charges win the Super Bowl which he's so certain they want you never confirmed we will save it you we're gonna literally clip it out you you in fact you brought the idea you presented you put the idea forth and immediately walked it back well too bad you already said it don't matter what do you mean

you're grown man you can't walk it back you verbally you promise so you just walk back on a hex I didn't not say that so neither one you can stand on a thing but I was specific about mine you weren't all I'm saying is he told you don't stand on on anything either all I'm saying you don't He told me I didn't present this

He simply said That's a defining trait He said If the charges With a soup bowl I'll shave my head Nobody told him to say that He just said it

So it is what it is Beyond Donovan Head Shaping watch Because Justin Herbert's got some shit for him We'll see you on house call And we'll see y'all next week For some more NBA Yap