The Deep 3 Podcast - 1 Trade Every NBA Team Needs To Make | Ep. 123

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

Today we pick one trade for every NBA team to make in 2025! Guest starring JokicJoestar! #nba Check out Project 94 with isaac and jack!: https://www.youtube.com/@Project94Show Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D s/o to Jerseyxswap for the graphics on the thumbnail: https://www.instagram.com/jerseyxswap?igsh=MW1mbDFzM3Eyd2JteA== 0:00- Intro 4:03- new show announcement 6:43- LaVine to Pistons 13:00- Cam Johnson to Thunder 17:50- Claxton to Hawks 23:15- Kuzma to Kings 27:20- Lakers get Kessler 33:53- Knicks get Kessler 38:30- Ingram to Nuggets 40:05- Ingram to Spurs 46:40- Ingram to Portland 50:00- Warriors get Jimmy 54:00- Kings get Jimmy 57:37- Hornets get Lonzo 1:02:00- Bucks trade Portis to Bulls 1:03:42- TWolves get Torrey Craig 1:06:15- Magic get Sexton 1:09:00- Durant to Grizzlies 1:16:15- Booker to Rockets 1:20:55- Clippers get Timelord 1:23:50- Mavs get Olynk 1:27:20- Celtics get Theis back 1:28:21- Cavs and 76ers 1:29:28- Cavs Glaze Sesh 1:36:00- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's fucking brick outside. God damn. This man's been in New York. It's a brick outside. You are from Atlanta. Shut up. I'm from everywhere. You don't know where I'm from.

You don't talk like that. Six degrees outside. If it was six degrees of Houston and you'd be like damn deep. You don't know where I'm from. All right, man. Well, what I do know is it's officially NBA trade season. Where am I dead? We're here.

What are my? dead It's my brick outside, yo. A chaotic. We are here today. As you guys see

by the title, to talk NBA trades, to talk transactions, to talk all the stuff that's not basketball about the league because the trade deadline is quickly coming.

So today we're going to give one trade that every single NBA team should make. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And if you disagree, you're stupid.

Don't leave a comment. We're not trying to hear that, man. We're always That's right. That's what I'm saying. Eddie, as you see, by your public ratement, we are here joined by a special guest, Jack, aka Yokin's Joe Star, here with us today. How you doing?

I'm doing wonderful. How are you doing today? Great. Fantastic. It's brick outside, so I just had to check it. Oh, yeah, I heard y'all over there in D.C. having a snow fight, Jack. Is that true? Yeah, I didn't make it out to the snowball fight.

My arm isn't what it once was, but yeah. It's a little snow You said it like you're 30 The hell Well I mean Okay Okay If you have to know

I tore my ACL this summer So me I was just about to ask I was just about to ask The last time we saw you You were recovering You was on the on the pain man Yeah

Can you run in the snow Is that possible It probably is I'm not gonna roll the dice With it though For like Tearing your ACL As a normal person

Sounds so catastrophic It is Like if I had like a real job Like if I wasn't on this like podcast TikTok stuff, it would ruin my life. And so that's the only reason. Like you can never do anything the same again.

Yeah, no, no. Like I'm... Well, he's not going to lose his foot. Yeah, I could, but he won't move like how we normally moves, bro. Yeah, no. He's using his lateral agility to, like, where the warehouse?

Yeah, like, I was Zach Levine. And now I'm like, I'm Joe Ingalls now. But before, before, oh my God, you guys should, I was an electric athlete. It was crazy. Joe Ingalls had, like, such a, like, honest comp for your least to play style. 2025 Joe Ingle specifically, the one who doesn't play.

Oh, man, that's tough. Yeah, man, like I said, one trade for every single NBA team. It's going to be a mix of stuff that should be done by this trade deadline or some for some instances where teams that obviously aren't going to make a deal in the next month we're looking a little bit more big picture and in general deals they should make over the coming year. But it's going to be interesting. A lot of moves to be made this year.

Yeah, exactly. Now, what that means is. Being said, I have so many hitters for y'all. But then also at the same time, too, there are a few teams that this is our first trade episodes since the second apron happened. And we're going to see like real life complications, even as content creators, even as TikTok, TikTokers and podcasters. I want to do, I want to do some of the craziest shit, but I fucking can't.

Why? Because it's stupid ass TVA, bro. I'm handicapped. God Dan C.J. McCollum, ruining our content lives. Yeah. We're the biggest victims. That's what I've been saying. It's like, that's where the, that's where the, that's where the.

really comes in. I can't. FanSpos way harder to work now. Exactly. If you're watching YouTube, do us a favor. Drop a like and subscribe as always. Help the channel grow. If you're on audio platforms, especially on Spotify, where we're trying to rise up those charts, leave a five-star rating, leave a review, comment on there, all of that. Yeah, man, let's get into the episode. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters, rejoice. Before we get into this episode, before we start talking,

yapping about trades, we got a special little announcement to make. Jack, why are you here? I'm here. It's funny that you should say, oh, before we start yapping, we have an announcement to make. I'm here because Isaac and I are going to be yapping

on an entirely different program for the foreseeable future. We're doing a new podcast together called Project, 94. Clap it up for Project 94. Yay. Exactly. Yeah.

And I know you're clapping at home with them, so I appreciate it. Yeah, man. Like you said, we're launching a second show. It's going to be real similar to the tone and vibe you come to expect with this show with the D3, but it's going to be me and Jack. You know, with the D3, we do every single NBA team a lot of times. We do really long, really, really big picture episodes. It's going to be the opposite over on Project 94.

It's going to be me and Jack doing one topic at a time per video, two to three times a week, diving into one team, one breaking news, one tray, whatever may be. See, yeah, man, just more of what you come to like from this channel, but with just me and Jack over on a second channel. The link is in the description. I'll probably pin it in a comment. Go check it out, subscribe.

The first episode is going to drop the day after this episode. So if you're watching on Saturday or later, it's already out. Go check it out. We're shitting on the Warriors for 65 minutes straight. It's glorious. Yeah, it's beautiful. What more could you ask for? You know, a wonderful weekend of football.

And then for 45 minutes, it's like, damn, fuck the Warriors, fuck the Warriors, fuck the Warriors. Yeah, 45 minutes of us slandering a billionaire. It's lovely. Yeah, exactly. I love that. As I tend to do. Is it going to be on Spotify? It will be, naturally.

It's going to be on all the audio platforms. You can listen to it, watch it on YouTube. It's going to be the exact same format you come to expect and format ways to consume it that you are with the show. We're going to broadcast it on the radio, too. Hey, check out Pandora. We're on there. Pandora That's crazy

Damn Oh my gosh This Pandora exists Go find him Yeah man More to come from that You'll be hearing And seeing more about it

I'll be sharing On all of our pages But here it is I have the logo on screen right now Probably It's not ready right now But I'm sure By the time this comes out

It will be I have no idea I have no idea where I'm sorry I take that I take that before saying I take a sip in my Coke zero and I was just like

I just ponder real quick my bad I heard I heard the silence and I was like yeah I should probably say something I'm good I'm good

alright man what's the first trade you guys want to talk about Donovan since you finally learned at a talk what's the first trade you want to talk about today it's the first thing

we've been talking a long time several years about this player getting traded. I'm tired of talking about it. I want to see it happen. I want to see Zach Levine get moved. And I would like for Zach Levine to get traded to the Detroit Pistons. I don't care about him going to the Lakers, the Warriors. I don't think that that would be the best fit. I think the level to which we have seen Cade Cunningham rise this year, now that the Pistons actually

look like a competent NBA team, let's put this thing into overdrive. And we were talking about it earlier this week on the um on our stream you know TD three Tuesdays tap in but six p.m. you're certain exactly my proposal is that the pistons trade tobias Harris Marcus Sasser two second round picks and you get Zach Levine and now you have and now you have a backcourt duo of Cade an actual score and then we move from there wait that's only salary you need that's all you need is to buy it's asser it works oh how much just device make I forget But how much is, he's been paid like the 25 or 26 a year? Listen.

Oh, do the Pistons have Caspace still? Is that what it is? Yeah. And like, listen, I put it in, I put it into Fanspo. I hit tried to trade and it said success. That's all that matters. That's all that matters. But yeah, that's the framework that I want to see.

And I think that that would actually help the Pistons and their offense get to an entirely new level. Yeah. We talked about this trade tapping last year. We were early on this when the Pistons sucked. We brought this up on several episodes. We said, low-key, Cade needs a guy like Zach Levine to be kind of perfect. And nobody was really rocking with it because the Pistons were terrible. And then Zach Levine got Surgy and shut down the season like a week after.

So it was kind of out of everybody's mind. But it made sense for a while. And honestly, it kind of made more sense to do it last year. Because you probably could have got less or you could have got more value when Zach his trade value was at an absolute low. But I mean, he's been, he's been good this season, you know? So like I and I think like when you look at the Pistons and you look at their future, you have a sard there who can't shoot like you have you have guys and you have guys who can

be athletes and defenders and you're like waiting on this on the shot to come around you can you can inject that right now and yeah and especially the fact that like jaden ivy went down that's another guy where you were still trying to play around with that back court you can get a proven veteran in in that makes so much sense and it for a team that's like 500 on the cusp of either playing or even top six in the east you can make that move right now and now you can end up at like five or six so i yeah i like that yeah i like this a lot uh i like it because i feel like the pistons are really well suited for the length of his contract as well like i feel like they to do this i don't think marcus sasser is like a real building block of the

future for them i think he's like a cool piece for the bulls to get back and everything but if they do this they don't give up any insane draft capital they don't give up any insane players and they just get like a very talented guy who slots in really nicely next to Cade while they're trying to go from like, oh, this team was terrible. Now they're mid. And now they're kind of turning the corner from mid into maybe like a serious, yeah, bottom of the playoffs type team. And so I like it a lot. I like it way more than what I've seen drawn up for like Levine to the Lakers or stuff. It makes way more sense. Yeah, I like it a lot more than Levin's Lakers too. Yeah, I agree. For the, for the team, for a team like the Detroit Pistons, who,

just have been in the rebuild mode over the last five years and haven't really reaped much of the benefits other than one guy so far you know I'm a sars a sarah gonna let him grow and all that but in terms of like what they're doing right now they have one real guy who's like lifting everything and they just finally put spacing around him having someone like Zach Levine will accelerate the process what's funnier to me is like how we're just like paying so much attention to the Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bull are just like the NBA's litter box like yeah think about what this team would do and you just do

what you do the bulls it just like move on with your life this is what they are i don't care at all yeah the only goal to move the bulls the only goal of the bulls is to get the good players from them and send the teams we care about yeah yeah with the bulls it's crazy because like i always see team people who like uh people draw trades that really favor their own teams and a lot of times they'll include other franchises and they'll just completely fleece that them. But when people involved the bulls in trades like that, I'm like, you know, that might work. Like that actually like really, the bulls do whatever. I don't understand how their front office works in any capacity. So yeah, I'm on board with it. I think the Pissons have been at their

best. The Pissons have been at their best this year when they have Malik Beasley next to Cade. Like it's looked really, really special having a real off-screen shooting threat next decade with how well he's able to drive and kick. So just imagining Levine in Malik Beasley's shoes. that is like putting Super Soldier Serum into Malik Beasley. Zach Levine can do all that same stuff. He can run off the screens. He can catch and shoot. But if he catches it,

he can actually drive a little bit. He can actually make some stuff happen. Actually set Kate up, which is something they really need. So they can really get him into more easy type of shooting opportunities, really get that efficiency up. It's a perfect fit. Yeah.

And the crazy part about it, too. Like Mo talked about the length of his contract. Zach Levine turns 30 this year. He turns 30 in March. He's 29 right now. And it's so, it's crazy that he's not. Zach Levine's 30 already? It's crazy that he's 30 already,

but it's also crazy because it felt like we've talked about Zach Levine so much and he's kind of been, like, present that like the fact that he's not already 30, I'm like, oh, that's kind of, that's kind of interesting. Like, you still have a couple years and a couple of miles, like, yeah, a couple miles left on him to where it makes sense.

You thought he was older? The 2016 dunk contest was like, damn near 10 years ago. What the fuck? Wow. No, holy shit. It's all right. Holy.

Next trade. We're washed. That's crazy, bro. That's a crazy. Next trade. All right. I'll do my first one. That's an easy slam dunk one.

I'll do one more that's an easy slam dunk that needs to happen. We need Cam Johnson to go to the Thunder. Cam Johnson is going to have the ultimate bidding war. It feels like every team in the league is vying for his skills. Lately we've seen the Pistons getting the mix and reports. I need him to be on the Thunder so bad. Last year we talked about, we thought Lyra Markman was available for a split second in the season. We were like, oh, my.

God, what could you possibly imagine that's better than the Thunder getting a 6th foot 11 shooting wing that can do some stuff? Didn't get them. You know who else fits that description? Cam fucking Johnson. He would be a glove and hand fit. The Thunder are obviously the best team in the West. They're ready to win a title now.

If you could upgrade Isaiah Joe to Big Isaiah Joe and Cam Johnson and get a little bit better, it's a win-win to me. I think it should be Isaiah Joe, Ujohn, Dang, and whatever draft picks are necessary because the Thunder have a thousand. Yeah. Okay. yeah i like it i like it i think for the thunder like it it makes it makes sense but also right now it's just a really weird period for the thunder because they've been this good without chet

that i'm like i just want to see chet come back and then see the rest of the roster as it was and see how good everybody can elevate see how good everybody else fits in and then we can we can keep going but like if you listen it it never hurts and they're clearly on on on the train of like, let's just get good players in the building and we'll figure it out later and they kind of always figure it out. I think moments like this for OKC and specifically like Sam Presti is where things can get kind of tricky. You can sit in your hands and be like, yeah, like kind of complacent or you can be like this team

is great already as is, but it can be even better and there's going to, they're going to naturally have to like start cycling off players that they drafted a few years ago and like be really picky and choosy between what's worth like cutting up to that even if they are good like i.e. a massive L of a trade that happened but at the end of day no one's looking at and be like this is why the O.K.C. Thunder failed is like Terrence Man from not Terrence man my bad. What's his name again? Last name man. Keep going. I forget his name. But that dude point is. Trey man. Trey man to the hornets. Since they let go a trite, since they lost him and got and acquired Gordon Hayward, obviously an L trade, but they did it for good

reasons and i think giving up on something like uzman dang is not going to dismantle their franchise instead like hopefully they're going to like do what they meant to do last year and get an actual piece who's going to help alleviate some of the lot of the stress is uh shay because he's doing a lot right now in offense yeah he's also not good ozman jang so like that's fine it's i say joe is very you don't want to lose i say joe yeah yeah like Isaiah joe is very good it would suck to lose him if you want to you could do erin wiggins plus another player is if you want to give rid of joe you could do Wiggins, Kynberg Williams, NJang, whatever the version is, but I think Wiggins and Joe are very good role players that are flawed, but extremely helpful for what they do.

And Thunder fans have a real, real connection to them because they kind of uncovered these guys. And it hurts to get rid of him, I know, but Cam Johnson does all those things they do, but better. He's kind of like both those players combined. It's like, Isaiah Joe shooting from Wiggin size. To me, it's a no-brainer. You don't lose the flexibility that Moe mentioned. You'll still have 13 first-on picks of the next fours. four years, so you'll have the ability to continue to replace players as you need to.

You have like two more years before Chahonger needs to get paid. Guess how many years left on Cam Johnson's contract, too? It aligns perfectly in that way. It's a no-brainer to me. Yeah, I like it. So, like, I'm completely on board, and I think it makes sense purely from the perspective of, like, get good players in the door and figure it out. And I also think you have, like, Cam Johnson, if you think back to, like, the Sun's days,

there's like a serious foundation of playoff experience he's played in like a lot of pretty meaningful games uh and so yeah i like it i guess my only thing that i think about with this is i feel like everybody points to the move and they're like this would solve what the thunder struggle with in terms of like a lot of when the thunder really struggle it's because nobody else but shay can like truly create with the ball in their hands i don't know cam johnson like fixes that issue but like everyone's attested to they have so many assets that this doesn't need to be the move that fixes that problem they you know jdub could take a step check could take a jump or they could go out and get somebody else with all of the draft

picks that they will have after they outbid everybody in pursuit of camp johnson so yeah i i like the move yeah it is a fix a creation thing they're still limited to two dribbes with shea and jdub but i think it makes that identity they currently have in that way just stronger just because you have better 3&D around them, which is what you need, obviously. So it's, yeah, same identity, but it's a better version of what you can be, I think. Yeah, I like that. That's good. I like those. I like those. All right. Well, what's your first trade? We are. All right. All right. So, the Atlanta Hawks are currently, they're probably not in the market, but me personally, I've been in the market for at least last like two years. You've been in the market for a new center.

Yeah. I've been in the market for them. I've been like outside of state farm. I've been every, I've been out here in the city, city to city, bro. I've been in Denver. I've been in fucking Brooklyn, bro. I've been in, uh, everywhere, bro, looking for a new center for the Atlanta Hawks because Klingapela, although he is valued in certain ways, he's not valued to me when it comes to me. He's a locker room guy, okay?

Someone loves him. Someone out there loves Klinkepella. It's not me. Rayford, I got bad news for you. You're going to have to find a new locker room best friend because I am taking Clint Capella. and I'm shipping him to Brooklyn in exchange for Nick Claxton. Now, Nick Clackson is not enough.

Our, Nick Clingapel is obviously not enough because Clint is just the aging, declining, just like whatever, center. Still has some type of value, not value in Atlanta. So for the sake of the Hawks, like, solidifying their center position, I think Nick Clackson will give them a whole lot of everything, a whole lot of versatility and flexibility. But obviously, that's not enough because Clint is Clint, so they're going to have to attach a first-on-pick.

And that first round pick is going to belong to the Los Angeles Lakers of the year 2025, which they required just a couple of years ago. So it's going to be. So Clint and a first on pick from the Lakers for straight up Nick Claxton. I wonder if it takes two. Just one first round pick at Claxton, do they feel like that's enough to trade somebody that could probably stick around for a few years of rebuilding? It depends on how the league views Nick Claxton. To me, I think he's ultra valuable. But I don't know if it takes two.

Two's a lot. Yeah. I don't know if it takes two just because. because I don't know if the market is necessarily there the way it is with like Cam Johnson. And maybe it's not like it's not like the Nets have to move off of him. So they could just say no and wait for like more people to need depth at the center position. But I think like if it were to happen right now, if the Nets really did just want to like blow it up and get rid of all of their serious contributing guys.

Then yeah, yeah. I think a first maybe like you include like a bullshit kind of. a potential young guy in there or a few seconds but two firsts right now I feel like wouldn't go down Moe would you add Kobe Buffkin into that Kobe Buffkin in it first yeah yeah Kobe's injured right now and there's like weird rules at MB I feel the NBA says day today between like are you allowed to trade an injured player or not and in the you are if we are then I do it it's in 2k you're not allowed to in real life you're allowed to I thought that for years I thought you weren't allowed to because in 2K they make it so you

can't i spent like the first seven years my fandom thinking it was illegal to trade in his he's hurt right now he can't be traded everyone oh the money's out of the looks um if i played two k still i'll go back i'll i didn't know you could turn that shit off never mind but no i think Kobe buffkin plus the 25 first makes sense because this is a good draft class the lakers pick will probably be like 20 19 something like that so getting a mid to late first in a very strong class is the exact type of things a team like the net should be doing get as many bites as the apple as possible. Yeah, I think it's a win-win.

Yeah, I love it for the Hawks, especially because their center point is not, they have one of the most okay center rotations between what Clint and Anyuka can give you, but I feel like Nick Classing gives you the best of both of their games. Yeah. And then some because, like, he also has, like, an ability to be a connector in some lights and, like, do a little bit of his own stuff with a ball on his hands. Yeah, he has a mobility of Onyeka plus a lop threat of Capella. Yeah.

Yo, Capella's actually so, like, the idea of Trey having, like, a real lob threat again makes me so excited. Like, I'm a huge Trey young fan. And Capella, like, Capella will always be, like, like, a seven foot tall guy who can dunk the ball. But Claxton is, like, genuinely, like, one of the most athletic bigs. Yeah. So that, that would make me really happy, especially because it also feels like their defense is a serious rim protecting big away from being, like, even with Trey out there. and like everybody all the critiques he has they could be a serious defense

if they have like a real good rim protector if Rieshershay continues to develop like year two and year three if he becomes a long range of defender he can be having Dyson Riesashe, Jalen and Claxon is so much athleticism that sounds that's exciting and like DeAndre Hunter and people like off the bench

their wing rotation is it's crazy low key I mean let's get Clackton in Atlanta I like this Let's do it and if we get a The guys love it and I love it more if we can get a bounce back season yeah relax relax relax relax relax you're doing a lot you're doing a lot

but if we can get a bounce back season from trade two and like have him be like a like the offensive engine that we like have come to expect from him that that's interesting that's interesting yeah when he when tray can make layups again it's gonna be nice oh it'll be scary dude oh my god i saw a stat earlier every single month of the season so far, trade's getting more and more efficient. So maybe if we're lucky, by the end of the year, he'll be at league average. Nice. I need this to happen. I need some league average efficiency in my life.

I'm Treongfin. I'm begging for it. All right. Is it my turn? It is. Okay, okay. I'll rip off. I'll start at the bottom. I'll go garbage team trades first. Kyle Kuzma to the Kings for Kevin Herder, a 2027 first round pick and Colby Jones. I feel like this gives the Wizards. I mean, the Wizards, They probably held too long on Kuzma. I think they were a bit too accommodating of like where he wanted to go at the deadline last year. And that really cost them.

It probably cost them like a pick in some regards. But he still has some value. I think the Kings are in a pretty desperate spot after firing Mike Brown because they've kind of turned it around. And so they might be in possession to try and remain as competitive as possible. And then, yeah, a first round pick and like a solid potential guy and Colby Jones for Kuzma at this point in exchange for taking on one of the most damaging players in the league in Ketland's like

straight up, straight up, like he was causing half their problems in the second they stopped playing him. Most damaging players in the league. Yeah, I think, I think Kings fans make it something like a virus at the CDC is working out, man. Holy shit. Yeah, I think Kings fans at this point probably hate this because they're really falling in love

with Kobe Jones and Kuzma's been asses this year. but while they probably aren't happy about right now I think you're a thousand percent right because this team has been obsessed with Kyle Kuzmo for like four years ever since the Lakers first made him available back in the day I extremely remember their talks of getting to Monsa Bialitza for Kyle Kuzma

like 2019 dude the Kings have been lusting after Kuzmo for half a decade it makes sense now that to be a total king's thing to finally get them in probably the worst time for them to get them but it's very possible yeah I think the kings are kind of

like we were talking about the bulls earlier they're they're kind of in that space where you can kind of you could see any move happening for that for that team because at any point you're just like I wonder what the front office is thinking about this and like they they seem they seem capable of doing wild stuff like that but I'm with you I do think that like for like like jack said the desperation from from Sacramento is absolutely real and after going out and signing to mar and doing all that and all these trade rumors about Deering Fox. It's like maybe we can get one more year where we can prove ourselves to be like a top six team in the West. Maybe if we can do that, we can keep the air and all that stuff. It makes sense for where the Kings are. But I wouldn't,

if they made that deal, I wouldn't like the outlook of Sacramento any better than what it is. Yeah. At this point, they got to do whatever it takes to like prove to Deer & Fos that they're worthy. You know, like if I'm the Sacramento Kings front office, I would. probably do something like this because in my mind I'm already for seeing Deer and Fox leave, but you got to show him at least that yeah, you're trying to get you together. We're trying to Now if you were Deering Fox, if you were Deere and Fox

and you're like, listen, I'm about to ask for a trade what can you give me? And they're like, we got Kyle Coos, man. Are you staying or are you saying yeah, send the tweet right now? I want out. Oh, I'm gone, bro. Get me on an interview with Sean Serrani right now. What are you talking about? I'm gone. Yeah. Yeah. He's in Club 520 Request to Trade on Live TV.

And when you guys were like talking about like they are kind of like the bulls in terms of let's call it unpredictability. You never know where they're coming from. They're kind of like that. And if they hadn't fired Mike Brown, I do firmly believe that like somebody could have fleeced them for Keanu Ellis. Like if you, if they were rolling out Keanu Ellis for like 15 minutes a night and like they just kept rolling with Mike Brown, I do like, I genuinely thought.

the Wizards were going to be able to get them away from Sacramento. But obviously that hasn't ruled out. So I pivoted to Colby Jones. To be honest, the salaries work regardless. So, like, even if you wanted to go one of their,

like, G-League, like, Isaiah Crawford or whoever, there's a bunch of different guys that could be included in this. I think the Wizards would still be happy if they got the pick.

Yeah. Okay. Well, you mentioned the team as very desperate. Let me stick with some desperation real quick and talk about the Lakers. The team that is always in all the trade rumors in the world. I'm not going to come up here and say the Lakers are going to trade for Jimmy Butler, going to trade for Zach Levine, or even Brandon Ingram, nobody's that huge.

But I do think they are pretty desperate to make a trade. They're currently a pretty solid team. They're hubbing around the five-six seed. And the conversation this year has been, are they good enough to buy into and put assets into or is it a tear down coming in the coming summers? I think they should probably buy into this team at least a little bit. So to me, what that means is I think they should trade Jalen Hood-Shafino, a 2029 first round pick unprotected

and the 2027 first round pick that's currently owed to the Utah Jazz remove the protections because they're sending us back Walker fucking Kessler give us a real talented young big in exchange for unprotecting a pick they already have

and giving them a whole other one which is a good asset for the Lakers fucking five years on the line for a big that can play with Anthony Davis without you can ensure that you have 48 minutes of stronger protection in the same way the calves do you can do some interesting stuff with those two bigs that's scary that's scary but for me i think

i'm scared because that 2029 is unprotected i i think like like the lakers in 29 in well i guess four years now that's a that's a scary sight because i i have no faith that like lebron's going to still be here in four years anthony davis is going to be like 36 and you probably if you don't make a move right now and if you do buy into this team and make that move then in four years you probably are going to be rebuilding. You probably are going to be, like, in a new era. And not having that pick is kind of, it's kind of scary to me. I agree.

The only reason I'm okay with it, one, I think Danny Angel demand it. They don't need to trade Walker Kessler. They can keep him. He's a, he's a cheap player on a good contract and he's young and he's very talented. So you're going to have to give up real value. You can't try to half-ass it with them. And he is in his third year in the league. He has two more years on a rookie contract guy for this.

he can be here in four years if you're going to make this type of deal you get somebody that has long-term value I wouldn't do this for somebody that's like 35 but Walker Kessler's 23 I 110% agree that's why in my mind you don't make a move for Jimmy Butler because it's such that

you're buying way too many to in into the now and Walker Kessler allows you the flexibility to kind of play two timelines if you want to use that verbiage because he's ultra-viable now and his game doesn't trigger me

and he's like 30, 31 132 still like bro just block shots and hit layup that's all I'm asking you to do and he can do do that yeah I'm not going to use a word two timeline to not trigger myself because it makes me insanely mad two time two time two time two time who are you scared but I do think obviously the Lakers has to think about the next two years or so with LeBron but also think about the fact that JJ Redick is your coach and you want to build something you hear with them long term you should think about the next five to six years with him and see give him a chance to really build something and Walker Kessler can be a key foundation with that you can have Kessler and

Reeves and maybe connect if he ends up being good being guys you see being here from this area and the next that it makes sense to me yeah and if they do this too to me it seems like they're like no you're good I was going to say if real quick if they do this it seems like they're fully leaning into one side of the spectrum when it comes to their identity and they're all in on defense and the offense just come what it comes to whatever in Austin Reeves AD or LeBron can give them. So I love that. For sure. Yeah. Okay. It's fine. I would not do this. I don't really think Kessler as like a piece moving forward into like the two timelines thing would be that valuable. And to be when you're like when you're like, oh, the core of like Reeves Connect and Kessler.

What's that a core? If they could be anything. I'm like, bro, that's like a 20 win team. Dude, like that's crazy. No, that's not what I mean. That's not what I mean. Not a course. You say that's your future, bro. You say that's your future, bro. We know how Isaac likes to construct teams.

We know, we know his bag. And that, that cool right there. Yeah. What I mean is, what I mean is when LeBron retires and we go out in pre-agency and we get a new star to pair with Anthony Davis, when we get 31-year-old Devin Booker in the door, these are three guys that can start alongside Devon Booker and Anthony Davis. Booker and Anthony Davis. Yeah, whatever. I was like your fan so much. That will happen.

You know what sucks? You know what sucks? I'm probably right. I'm probably right. It's probably going to happen. Yeah. I think it's fine. It's fine.

Like they do get better. Kessler is like a, he would be a very good backup big right now. And he does a lot of stuff well. But at the same time, I think if you do it, it is something that in 2029, you're like, damn, we're done this year. like that that pick not having that pick completely kills us and whatever version of kessler is

around or whatever you've gotten back for him at that point probably doesn't begin to make up the value you would be able to get from that pick if you could like tank and take whoever you want so i've yeah i view it firmly as a help lebron move i don't like it as like a help lebron and some longevity and we're setting up the future yeah i'm not saying everything in the world is perfect but you need to help LeBron you can't be sending a message that we don't give a fuck about having the best player of all time on a roster he can with their way and die you can't do that you got to make a move to get better and at least this one has a little bit of a silver lining that you'll be a guy that can stick around yeah they did the exact same thing to Kobe though like they did they had the best

player in franchise history do i need to get honest right now this is not the same thing let's do let's do 20 minutes on this donovan cook cook cook cook i'm just i'm just i'm just they had they had the best the best player in franchise history gave him all all the money and it was clear like after he also tore his Achilles and everything but like but listen no you know what you know what he's like we we won't we won't do it we won't do I'm not no it's fine it's fine it was last year in the league ESPN ranked him as the 84th best player in the world and it wasn't that off first of all don't act like we've ever respected ESPN rankings before the season don't try to use that right now it's okay it might have been dramatic but it wasn't it

wasn't totally off. LeBron is not that. What's your next trade, Donovan? Listen, there's a reason also why I didn't want Walker Castler to go to the Lakers, and it's because I have a deal for Walker Castler to go to the Knicks. Okay. Selfish, I hate it.

In that deal. Now, mind you, me personally, I would stick it out with Mitchell Robinson. I think what Mitch provides in terms of continuity, he's been there it's tips has already shown so much like if he does not trust you you will not play and that's why we have guys playing 40 minutes a night in january when they are clearly hurt and they have absolutely no rest there's been space for a lot of our younger guys to get to get time has not happened so i think Mitch being there he's going to play he's going to be valuable however

he is always injured and so that's why i would get walking kessler in the building and with that trade, it would be Mitchell Robinson and Deuce McBride for Walker Kessler and Jordan Clarkson. And then you can figure out, you can figure out picks and whatever you want on the back end and see whatever happens. But the Knicks would get Walker Kessler. You obviously get that, you get that big that you need. And you still get some scoring that you would, you know, theoretically lose without, without Deuce. But the Jazz instantly get a one of the best contracts in the league, Deuce McBride is making $4 million a year. You can add some draft compensation to that. And defensive, I love Deuce. I, again, I would not do this personally, but if the Knicks

were to do something, they did feel desperate enough to go out and get a backup big, this would be a trade that I could see the vision on. Because you can still replace, again, replace the scoring, get a consistent backup big. Somebody who can actually play defense, actually play games. And this will kind of be the framework of. it yeah that's cool within that too like you you cover up one massive hole in terms of like your room protection just your interior defensive presence being gone like the part of the reason why the nicks haven't been like a complete embarrassing without jalen brunton on court is because the dude's McBride one of the best back of them in the league i i understand that but

knowing knowing knowing tubes and knowing the way that the nicks are going to play you're going to get Jalen Brunson for 40 minutes a night in the playoffs. You're going to get, you're going to get that starting lineup, and the thing that revolves around it, you know that you're going to have to get a backup big. You know there's going to be certain games where Kat's going to get four fouls in the early third quarter. And at that point, do you want to start leaning on Jericho Sims, a halfway healthy Mitch Robinson, Preston, Achua?

Like, I do feel like if you really, really look at the Knicks defense and you say that you need absolute you need some type of room protection that kind of deal could make sense yeah i agree so the way i look at this is like uh looking at the nicks so far this season to me they've been a way more viable team since the return of precious achua just because of like the uh that's that's really allowed their defense to be manageable at the bare minimum it hasn't been i think they've been like seventh or eighth for a little while and i don't know how real that is i think the truth is somewhere between that and like the garbage start that they had to the season. But I do feel like their ability to exist defensively is way more important in a

playoff series than their ability to like survive non-Jalen Brunson minutes. I think there's enough offense between Brunson, Kat, OG, and Bridges to justify moving off of Deuce McBride, even though he is really good and I like him a lot. And I think Danny Aange would love to get him for Kessler, who he seems to not like it all. But I think that, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that just the ability to play defense at a manageable level against teams, like the Cavs, the Celtics, just nuclear offenses that you won't be able to outscore every single night. It's more important than like, like if you're not going to get Brunson for 40 minutes a night in the playoffs, it's because

he's hurt and you're not going to get him at all. And you're not going to win that way regardless. Like if he's not able to take you all the way, I don't think it's going to match. that you have deuce mcbride all of this just to get out bid by the lakers unbelievable oh my god this guy mo what's next that's hilarious all right he was saying that up for like 45 seconds holding the pose like my turn my turn my turn yeah all the same fuck now that we've we've been we've been touching on everyone's favorite team jack i am talking to you this is my cellicam to you all right all right i am witnessing how disappointing the Denver Nuggets

season has been when it comes to specific players and just, you know, everyone not necessarily being aligned whether it being in the front, between the front office and the coach or whatnot. Everyone knows that this team is not where they necessarily want to be. They're selling Yolkich. They're selling Yokich.

I see that. Yokich sees that. He understands that the team has been struggling in all types of ways and there needs to be improvement. Now, I reside in new ones right now. I am David Griffin. Imagine me as David Griffin right now.

I hit you up. I hate your line. And I got one Brandon Ingram for you. All right. And I see what you have to offer on your team. Nothing makes sense outside of MPJ. One for one trade. What do you say?

Oh, man. Okay. I say no because I don't want to be in position to pay Ingram. Like that's really where it starts. I think Ingram is probably a better player than MPJ. And I think there's a lot of arguments that he does make the nuggets better. It's just like, if you think MPJ is overpaid, I do feel like the way that whoever Brandon Ingram gets a contract from is going to feel after they get like a year and a half of his production, they're going to

be like, holy fuck, this is like a borderline immovable contract. And so I would say no. Like I want to say yes. I want him to do something. But at the same time, I would pass. I would pass. saw on this deal. Interesting. I have another Ingram fit on my list, if you guys want to. Let's just do the B.I stuff because I have a BIA trade. So most of bringing him to the nuggets, I understand your thought process. I don't know.

MPJ has played well enough that I don't want to trade him, but if things get bad again, I can understand feeling the need to. So I don't think it's crazy. Where I want to see Ingram go to is something that the fans of this team might not want to hear, but I think it would be kind of cool. I want to see Brandon Ingram go to the Spurs. Brandon Ingram is on, hear me out, hear me out. Brandon Ingram is on a one year expiring contract.

$36 million. He expires. In several months, the Pelicans have made it abundantly clear. They want to move him. They're not going to pay him. That is obvious. I don't think he's going to go for very much. I think it'll take like a pick and salary at this point because their season is over.

They can't posture and say that we'll keep him and make a play in. and run. That's not happening. I think their leverage is in the fucking toilet. He wants to go. They want him to go. I think the spurs could get them for Kelvin Johnson, Zach Collins, and a first-round pick. Maybe a pick and a swap. And the spurs have a ton of picks. They have the picks from the Hawks. They have the 2031 pick a pick from the Timberwolves and the 2030 pick swap as well as all their own picks. Give them the 231 pick, give the Pelicans a feature asset, whatever pick they want from whatever team. I think a single pick and maybe a swap can be enough. He's going to have to get paid, they're in a point where they can pay him and their financial situation will be fine

because they haven't had to pay everybody else yet. And this positions them to bring in a score, a guy who can really create his own shot, can also play off of Wemby, has length. He's not a horrible defender like he has a reputation for. I think he's solid positionally. He'll look a lot better with Wemby behind him. And putting him into three gives you a lot of positional length, obviously having his 7-2 wingspan and that everything Wemby brings. But it also positions you to next when another Stark is available or whatever you want to do next, you can still trade Devon Vassel,

who I think is good but not untouchable. He hasn't been that great lately. You have the ability to get Ingram and then trade Vassel for somebody else later and then now you have like a real core of three great players. Okay. I can see that.

And honestly, this feels more spursy than anything else than like trades for D.R. Fox. We've talked before about, you know, trade for Trey Young or like bigger name guards. this feels a little bit more like them where they go and make a move that a set kind of looks like around the margins and all you're saying is like if we can get some competent players around wendy competent plus right that is really all you need is just a little bit of a creation

because obviously wemby's the guy man and so if you can get somebody who can efficiently score like 22 points a game that that makes sense and i think ingram's good ingram is an underrated passer. He has the ability to run a driving kick game. I don't know that he's a great lob passer. That's one thing you'd want to see from whoever plays with Wemby, but he's not a point card. And I think his biggest issue of Ingram is sometimes when he's not in a good offensive structure, he gets too much into the tough midy game. But I don't think he's a type of guy that only wants to do that. Sometimes that's just what's asked of him because there's not a lot to go with him. If you have five out spacing with Victor Womenyama running pick and pops,

I'm fully confident Ingram can do more room pressure than what he does play next to fucking Zion Williamson and Jonas Valchunis, that's not a good environment for a slasher to slash. This is a great one. Yeah. I like this more than the Nuggets Ingram thing just because even with all the concerns I have about like paying Ingram or whatever, I feel like if the Spurs are smart front office, they can navigate the entirety of Brandon Ingram's time with them effectively. And if it gets to a moment where it's more beneficial to move off of him, they could do that.

like they have plenty of time they can handle ingram for three or four years or whatever and then they can make a move in the future where we talk about these other teams maybe moving for ingram and it's like this has to be the move that puts the nuggets back into title contention or something i don't think ingram is that caliber of player especially on the kind of money that he wants to be on and so i'm cool with the spurs doing it because of the flexibility they have for the future even after the move yeah it doesn't take an all in move by any means they're not going to glued to it. Wemby's so young. You can have an Ingram mini era where you're competing

when Wemby's on his rookie contract and then after that you kind of move into the next thing when you get the next guy because you have so many assets. I'm sensing two timelines here, noticing it's two timelines or the timelines is just long as fuck with Wemby and Ingram could be a part of that. He doesn't have to be it forever. It makes sense to me.

I like this. Just a couple of episodes ago I think this is on a TD3 live stream on a Tuesday 6 p.m. Eastern Time. Donovan was over here like clamoring for I think, yeah, Donovan was clamoring for the spurs to go ahead and do something because Wembe is clearly like a guy now, a top 10 guy, wherever you have him, and he needs help.

And this kind of helps itches that for you. Hey man, even this year, even for just this season competing in the plan, CP3, Vesel, Ingram, Sohan, Wembe, or you do Barnes at the 4 if you want to do Sohan if I get more spacing, that moves me. That's a solid team. Like, you have the point. guard you have a score vassel hopefully he plays well again like that's a good team like i wouldn't want to see him let that would be annoying if you're the thunder and you got him in the first round like they

they still win but it would just be like frustrating to get like have to go six games i like that a lot yeah i like that all especially because the spurs have had like a massive playmaking issue over the last few years or the last two years and having cp3 there i think a lot of people i've been giving like a lot of credit to cp3 and what he's been doing maybe a little bit too much credit Because I think you just got a regular normal ass point guard But it's CP3 so it's the lure or whatever cool But having something like Ingram who has playmaking abilities in him And that's like one of the strengths of his game

Does so much for Wembe and the Spurs whenever like you're whenever he's not on the court Yeah and they have to rest rate losses right now because in the fourth quarter their offense has gone to shit Winby won in the media and he said he feels like we're not adjusting in game teams get used to what we're doing in the second half we don't make an adjustment Which sounds like a shot at the coach but they clearly have a talent deficiency teams are really loading up on wendy in these fourth quarters and literally in the past week they've lost three games because of it ingram fixes that a little bit i agree he does he does all right so for my ingram thing and i i feel kind of bad for ingram because he's a good player but you look around the league and it's just a whole bunch of teams we're just like i just don't know

like where he fits and i feel like at the end of the day this is going to end up with ingram being banished to some place. And so... Where's basketball hell at? Portland. Oh. And I see... Listen, I think Portland, like right now, their rebuild is in a very weird space to be polite.

And I don't know. But I think that if they make a move for Aiton, I mean, for Ingram, one, you would ship out Aiton to New Orleans. It would be like Aiton and a pick. and New Orleans can finally get a center 8th, 26, you can do that. If they still believe that Zion is the guy and you want to just go get a center, okay, fine, you can do that. For Portland, like I know Simons is cool, Shady Sharp is cool. Your offense still sucks.

Like, they're bottom five in the league in offense. They're not good. You can get your money. They're playing well lately, pesky. Fine, good, good for you. But you're still, you're still at the bottom. I think injecting Ingram and injecting somebody on that team that can actually elevate that offense.

Like, again, I'm not even asking for middle of the pack. Can we get to 20th and best offense? Can we get the Blazers out of bottom five offense and getting a forward in there? You still would think that the Blazers could still move Rob Will. You can move Jeremy Grant. So the pick that you would send out with Aiton, you would easily be able to recoup that

by trading your other guys and now you have your center rotation you have clinging and then go draft some guys like they still loki have some some picks that that you can that you can move out on on their own so i think that i think that i have an ingram there could be a nice little scoring punch for what they have why they still figure out what they ultimately want to do at their guard position okay yeah i get it i don't know the pelicans want aiden but if they do want aiden sure yeah it's tough i i would i'm cool with this if it's like a distant first for portland i think it's just so tough yeah yeah they're clearly in position to like need their pick for the next few seasons but to ship out like one four years down the line to make this happen now and then uh maybe

you just have ingram on like a shorter term contract or something if you could sign him to that i'm fine with it uh because i do feel like moving off like just aighton out and out and and clinging as much as you can is the future for Portland. Like, I love every single clinging minute I see, and I really don't like any of the eight minutes that I watch. And so, yeah, I also think, yeah, New Orleans, they're just in such a tough place with him that, like, any, like a pick, if you get a pick back for Ingram at this point,

you're probably pretty happy with it. Yeah, yeah. And you're right. Like, it's not going to be like a 25 first. It's not going to be like this year's first. It would be like a 29, 31 type of thing. Yeah, yeah. okay all right jack what's your next team um i'll do i'll do okay we've been talking two timelines

a lot i'll do the warriors i'll send uh the warriors are sending wiggins and comminga to the miami heat for jimmy butler uh they're doing the thing that everybody's saying in the news uh i think this team okay if the warriors do this it they're fully committing to this idea that they would have two of like the three or four best players in a playoff series and so they're fine scraping into the postseason as a lower seat i don't think this move makes them more competitive for the remainder of the regular season just what we've seen from jimmy butler time and time again at this point in the year he's not that guy until we hit like march april may but i think in terms of like showing stephen

Curry who lately, I mean, maybe, maybe he's said some stuff in the media that if you go check out Project 94 or something, there's like some guys over there that are kind of like detailing how he's like low key throwing a fit and might want out unless they make a serious move to become more competitive. And I think this is that move that you could show to staff and be like, we are trying, man. We're trying. We're not doing like the youth movement two timelines thing anymore. We want you to retire a warrior. And we want to give you as competitive a roster. as we can for the remainder of the time that you're here. So you have to give a lot

of salary for this. So you obviously, Wiggins is to be the central part of that. I think they might have to be put Dennis in there too. So Kaminga, are you viewing it as like Kaminga is a sweetener for Miami? Like this is what you get fucking take them or do you think they're going to throw picks in as well? Do you probably do get like a

pick? It depends. I really don't think the market for Jimmy Butler is substantial at all. And I think I'll say a pick just because, because maybe I'm being delusional. But I do think the Miami Heat would view Kaminga in terms of like,

well, we don't do rebuilds. They would view Kaminga as a guy who they've seen at least succeed statistically in the NBA before. Whether or not that led to real, yeah, yeah. Like, I feel like those are guys that the heat culture would really like

to rather or not like their actual value is that high. Are you moved by a core of point guard, Rozier, I mean, a hero. Wiggins, Kaminga, BAM. I'll say this. It would be,

it would be ironic for the heat to do that. Because, because it would be under the idea that we don't do rebuilds. And if you make that deal,

you are instantly going to be in a rebuild. Like, Kaminga and Wiggins are not going to be able to keep you afloat in the way that you want them to. And Miami would be

in the lottery. They would, they would not be a great team. but in terms of I think that that might be the best haul that you can get for Jimmy Butler so I would do it if I was Miami because maybe maybe there's somebody else and maybe it's just me I'm just not a massive comminga guy so like if you're Miami maybe you can then go flip comminga again and get some more assets from that but that that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world

if you're talking about trading a guy who's already 35 and clearly doesn't want to be there, the chemistry shot in Miami. That would be a decent hall. Okay. What would the Warriors look like? The Warriors would have Steph. They have Jimmy to 3, Dramont to 4, I guess TjD at the 5.

Who do you put it to 2 to round that out? Now, Dennis probably has to be part of that. Yeah. Oh, shit. Maybe they finally have to start Moses Moody. They finally have to give them minutes. Ideally, that's just rolling out people he's not he's like hoody's not sorry quit asking

you have to move hell on earth to make Steve Kerr trust him quit asking it's ridiculous okay since we're on the topic of Jimmy Buller I have another Jimmy Buller trade for you guys I kind of alluded to this and soft

launched it during our last stream and I'm going to like double down on it again the Sacramento Kings go ahead and they know they're in this arena they are in hell and they have head up the Miami Heat.

They're like, yo, Debo, heard of that guy? He's a great bucket, man. I know your bucket is sad right now. And we have a pending, just like volcano waiting through our franchise. So what do we do?

We add Jimmy Butler into our volcano. Add Jimmy Butler into your volcano. That should calm everything down. It always does, you know. So here are the specifics. The Sacramento King simply just gave but simply just get Jimmy Butler and the Miami Heat received Debo on top of that as well it's either Malik Monk and Kevin and or Kevin Harder probably Kevin Hurder and then I

attach to that is a big I love this I love this because every King's trade we make is based off the assumption that they're dumb as hell yeah it's it's actually it's actually amazing like this there's it really is just like you're in the dirt and you're in the mud and you're also stupid. So why don't you just like this? You're in the dirt, but I also believe you're a piggy who wants to make you mud.

So you're going to add some water in that bitch. Yeah, this would be dumb. Because Deer & Fox is probably going to request a trade in the coming years. But I do think it's realistic because they probably think what's going to make Fox happy? Jimmy Butler.

And maybe to work. Fox clearly wants to be loyal. They're just giving him no reason to. So maybe Jimmy Butler, he's obviously a better fit. He's a better player. So maybe it would work, which is a funny part There might not be any reason not to do this

It might work It might work I mean if the sticking point is literally Just Kevin Herder Like if you could do If you get rid of Kevin Herder In addition to swapping out De Rosen For Butler

Yeah I think you do it I think you do it I guess But like yeah This is just one of those trades where it's like Are we better We're different Okay We're just different

the funny part is Jimmy Butler would super not resign with him yeah so like they would do this and then he walks and then Foxes trade me and everybody dies

yeah the entire principle of the trade like going back to what you said Jack like getting rid of Demarta Rosa and Kevin Hurd who both haven't been attributing positively consistently to your team for Jimmy Baller

is like it's brilliant but oh it's a salary dump yes exactly but really like going back to what you said I think why I probably wouldn't do this trade because I don't know how long

I'm going to have Jimmy Butler, bro. If he walks, we suck, but we got money now. Let's go. Oh, you got to. We paid. This is the top money.

We've paid. We got so much cash base. We can go band for ban with the Lakers. Oh! Let's do it. What happened to the game that I love? That would be very kings to open up like a max salary spot and then then have to deal with the reality. Yeah.

Deal with the reality. They're like, you want to sign here? And everyone's just like, no, sorry. They give it to Fred Van Vleet. Yeah, exactly, dude. I got it. They give it to Chris Middleton. God.

What's next? Who's next? Is it me? Sure, it can be you. All right. We've been talking about two timelines. I have another two timeline. Enough of two timelines.

We're talking about two timelines. The theme of lines. Deal with it. We're talking about the Charlotte Hornets. two timelines. Because on one hand... But the horns have two timelines? Yes.

What the hell? Because on one time lines, on one time line... One of the timelines is them moving to be like competent and a serious organization. The other, the other timeline is like, what if we were just fun, right? Like what if we just let Lamello do whatever and we can just have fun? And I think that for them to include even more fun, they should, you know, they should trade they should trade nick richards to the bulls in a package and what they would and they what they would receive back is the oldest member of big baller brand incorporated and they would get lonso ball

okay and again it would just it would just be fun so you would trade you would trade nick richard you would trade mish and whatever other salary filler uh that is possible you would get lanzo ball back Listen, I hate this trade unless you get, unless you somehow incorporate Leangel Ball to the Hornets like organization. We can make, again, we can do that, something like that. We can make, we can make Charlotte the new center of big baller brand headquarters, right? I need this. Mind you, Leangelo already played for the Hornets Summer League team.

Let's run it back. Let's get everybody on the Hornets. That is the, that is, that is my reason. and then for this train. Okay. I love it. Arena DJ, maybe. He could do something like that.

He could get everybody a little bit hyped. Exactly. I'm cool with it. Yeah, yeah. Fuck it. Nick Richards for lunch. Yeah, who cares even more? The Hornets are just one of those teams where it's like, I don't know.

It's hard to even get a read on them because every time they like make a move and you're like, this could work. You know, they might be cooking with something. Everybody just falls apart health-wise. Like, no one can stay healthy over there. And so I don't think anybody really has like a solid grasp of what the team is supposed to look like if they put together like a nice little run. Yeah, many healthy players and nobody fits that a billion better than Lones of a bowl. Exactly, dude.

The Iron Man. Hell yeah. That's what I'm saying. So let's just let's just have a little fun. But no, but Jack is right. Like I look at the Hornets and like there might be some trades around the, around like the edges. But for them, I really do just want to see them continue to develop. And like I want to see Lamella.

I want to see Brandon Miller have as much time. And I like the vibes that I'm getting from them and from Charles Lee and like the direction that that they're going. Obviously they're worse. They're a lot worse than what I thought they were going to be this year. Like I thought that they were going to be able to contend for a playing spot, maybe even make the playoffs, whatever. Yeah.

It's it just hasn't gone that way. But I do want to see some more development out of them. So if we don't have to make like kind of a, an all in move right now, I'm, I'm actually okay with it. I'm fine with them just being on the path that they're on. There you go. That's a hornet's talk. One of the most delusional,

or like talking about the hornets, I feel insane because if I, like, actually have to address where the season really fell off, I feel like I'm always like, you know, Grant Williams was doing a lot for them. And like,

everyone else is like, are you, who, it's Grant Williams. Who cares? I like Grant Williams a lot, too. I'll join you in the lunacy. All right.

exactly what's your next day jack um my next one okay all right so i feel like this one we've talked about a few different things this episode we've talked about one of the most damaging players in the league and we've talked about fleecing a dumb organization i have the bucks sending bobby portis to the chicago bulls for tory craig and giovon carter uh this also goes back to us at the beginning being like navigating the second apron what are the real difficulties of that The Bulls, or no, the Bucks are like one of the most difficult teams to cook something like this up for because they're over that second apron. They can't send out more money than they get back.

They can't aggregate players in a trade to do anything really notable. And I feel like I don't like watching Bobby Portis. He's probably better than Kevin Herder, I guess. But like I still feel like- You hate Kevin Herder? I mean, yeah, I'm not trying to be mean. but like they're better than me at basketball I guess that's fine I'll say that yeah but so I feel like if you're the bucks and you're really looking for like serious postseason aspirations I would

rather build roles for Torrey Craig and Javon Carter into my roster as like just small guys that you hope you get some contribution from as opposed to building in like a very serious offensive role for Bobby Portis as my sixth man that I feel like even if he shows up offensively in the postseason which he's a guy that defenses can pretty easily scheme around either into like baiting into bad shots or just like making him take horrible shots in general. So yeah I feel like I would rather move forward with Torrey Craig and Javon Carter as like frisky role player guys than have to like roll the dice with Bobby Portis in like a conference finals matchup

or something. I love this because I love the assumption that the Bulls are just like man, I love Bobby Porthus to bring him back. I need him in my life and they just get him for no pick. They just want him. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I do feel like the bulls, they do kind of cook with that nostalgia vibe sometimes. It's like

remember he was here when Rondo was here and we had that was fun team dude. He was here. We should get those guys back together. all the time they should not okay I like that that makes sense

that would be very good for the bucks I would love to see that yeah yeah I agree shout tory Greg you can go be big for them speaking of Torrey Craig and now that I guess we're moving into the second apron talk

another team that's been like super hard to work around this is the Minnesota Timberwolves because of all the rules that they've made it's so hard to find actual legal trades and they can't

really do anything outside of like, you know, looking at the lower end contracts and figuring out how can you get better in the most minute ways. We can give you a couple more claps per game off the bench. Those are the top of trade that we're talking about when it comes to how we can make the Minnesota Timberwells

better. Now, if it wasn't for the second apron, I would have cooked some fire shit up for y'all. I'd have been like, yo, Dana McDaniels, I love your game. You've been a part of this organization for a few years now. You've helped us come into our identity with your amazing defense. But offensive, you're basically a zero.

I would take him and I would send him somewhere. I would send him to Indiana and I would cook up like, yo, Obie Topping, come over here. You're one of us. Aaron needs to be one of us now. But none of the shit can happen because of the second apron and we have to, we don't, like Jack said, we can only take in so much salary. So instead, I have to look at guys like Luca Garza and figure out how I can maximize my $2 million per year.

what are you doing at this point right now what are you talking about right now do you guys really want me to sit here and talk about how i think derrick whitehead from the brooklyn nets can add some type of value he's somewhat of an explosive talent to the offensive guard or whatever those are the types of trades you're looking at and that's why i looked at luca gars and i was like okay maybe i'd want to have someone like troy craig up on my bench he can get a couple threes for me he isn't necessarily a defensive liability and that's a trade i cook for the timber rules those are the type of trade we're looking at it all right there you go Luca Garza for Tori Craig.

That's your trade, Timberwolves fans, the best you can hope for it. Yeah. When you set the stipulation, one trade, every team the NBA needs to make. Reality is some teams either don't need to

or will not be making trades because they get... Sucks to suck Timberwolves fans. At least you got something. At least Mo said a bunch of words for you. So you can feel like you got something at least prefaced it for you. You got 35.

seconds of explanation for a completely irrelevant trade that's what I call empty calorie talk how yeah fill in a word limit don what's next I would like for the Orlando magic to make a move and I would like for them to trade Cole Anthony and a first round pick to the Utah jazz for Colin Sexton oh okay I think that I think that palo is one he palo's coming back Palo showed in the five games he played this year, he's ready. Franz Wagner has shown that he's ready. This team as a whole is progressing really, really well. And even whenever they don't have their two stars, they compete at a very high level,

they defend at a very high level, they are very connected, they do all that. Sometimes they just don't have the offensive punch that you would like. And Colin Sexton would be able to get them that. And I think that they've been searching for years to find a guard, to find a point guard. And Colin Sexton can fill that. And you're only sending one first round pick. You can still keep your man Anthony Black. He can still develop.

If you want to, you still have picks down the line where if you want to draft a young guard and see if you could develop him as well. That's cool. But the time is now for the Orlando Magic. And you have to start making a push and getting a guy who can actually actually. actually help out Franz and help out Paulo and create some stuff for for himself that is very very important for this team and I think that that would be a monumental trade for them and it would be very very helpful for their offensive prowess going into the playoffs yeah I like that I was thinking about expanding the Lakers trade to get Sexton to Lakers as part of that I give him another first-on

pick I think Sexton is fully worth the first-on pick the problem is he sucks the defense and I don't know if the magic allowed people that suck a defense on their team but if they can get over it And just like, if they can just insulate that and deal with it, his, he's a real, he has a real offensive punch that could help like for every reason you said and make those guys lives easier. And you have all the defensive guards in the world if you really need to go to that look in a postseason. Like, he gives you a layer of unpredictability that I think would be really, really helpful

for them in a playoff series. I 110% agree, especially when you try to go ahead and fix some of the issues when it comes to spacing and unpredictability. When it comes to the offense, you go ahead and throw a massive bag at KCP. just for him to have one of the worst shooting years that he's had from the three-point line over the last few years of his career. So I think that alleviates a lot of pain

and it gives his team definitely another ceiling. Who knows what Paolo and Franz looks like together, but just having this like baseline foundation of, yeah, you have another score on whatever happens in general, you should be better regardless of whether or not Powell and Franz are able to mesh and John to the next top tier, the top superstar duo in the NBA or whatever it is,

this is a good baseline. okay we're talking a lot about shit that doesn't matter let's get some serious talk going here oh let's talk about the phoenix suns yeah let's go let's go you know Jimmy Butler is currently trying to get himself traded there

trying to force every he's trying to force every bit of no like I love the magic too but you know Jimmy Butler is trying to get to the Thunder yeah yeah you know he's trying to get to the sons

he's using all leverage you can to make it happen I don't think it's going to happen I think they're not going to get Jimmy Butler. I'm just saying this for the scenario's sake. And I think they're going to continue to be ass. And they're going to fail again in blistering fire of failure in the playoffs again. So I think the summer's going to come around. And I think they're going to blow this fucking team up.

I think it's time. I think you have to get to the – I think Devin Booker might demand a trade in the coming months, maybe this summer. Or if he doesn't demand it, they might do it by choice because they know they're going nowhere fast. You can't do anything to get better. we thought this past summer was the best they could do and it made them not even better than last year their loki worse

I think Kevin Durant should get traded to the Memphis Grizzlies no let's do it I'm down I think if we're blowing it up he still has good years left I got this specific trade on Twitter from let me see what the guy's name was I think Tyler Britton is his name

he gave this really good example that I thought was spot on I'll just read you his tweet verbatim he says the grizzlies need to cut their playoff rotation down from 14 to 8 or 9 I'd say their biggest offensive weakness as a team is a go-to offensive action when things slow down in the half court which could cost them in the late game situation

against the teams like O'KC Dallas or Denver so this trade that he drew up to fix all that is a grillsies get Kevin Durant the sons get Marcus Smart Brandon Clark Luke Kinnard Vince Williams, Gigi Jackson and two first round picks A bunch of guys

That's a great team A bunch of guys Yeah okay I think if they can do that And they can have John Morant Desmond Bain Kevin Durant Jaron Jackson, Zach Edie, Brandon,

I think Brandon Clark was in this. Whoever else, that is a championship team. I love that. I love that so much because going back to what you said about the Memphis Grizzies having a hard time scoring in the half court, that goes back to John Morant and how you have to facilitate your offense around him. Obviously, we know what's up of a downhill player he is, but in the piles of things get,

with things slow down and get a little bit mucky or whatever, you're going to have to rely on other parts of your game. And when it comes to having consistent jump shot, That's not necessarily his bag. He can do that, but that's not nothing that he has developed and become one of the best at just yet. And then also, too, I think you alleviate a lot of pressure off of Desmond Bain and the expectation of them to, you know, develop into an all-star-esque type player.

And that makes also Jared Jackson, Jr., way better offensive, too, because he's now looked at as, like, the number one scoring option, which is weird to say, considering where how, like, the hierarchy was just a couple of years ago. I think it alleviates all things And the defense is still like it gets even better Well that's why I like it That's the size. It's crazy Yes

You no longer have to ask 37 year old Kevin Durant To be the best defender on your team And to do that Like to do that in Phoenix And then also ask him to be 27, 28 a night on hyper efficiency Like that's yeah That's so much wear and tear to where now

He can just focus on what he loves the most Which is just getting buckets and that's fine And like he can still be very, very helpful on that team defensively. I like that a lot. I think it's a perfect fit. And I only feel, I feel good about this, giving up so many guys. I think Tyler is right about this.

Just because we've seen what the grisies can do, they're going to replenish that depth. Now, Scotty Pippin Jr. is a real player. We'll see how he can, if he can be viable in a playoff setting, but at least in the regular season, he's there. Jaylon Wells is good. He can give you what you were getting from Vince Williams in that rotation. It sucks to lose a guy like J.G. Jackson and all the other debt pieces they have, but they have so many other guys.

they still keep Santiago dama they still keep all these other people that are very capable role players in the playoff setting obviously you don't need as many as they have they have ridiculous depth this is how you go all in around two stars yeah i like really the only drawback here is the fact that he's old and so you're just like holding like you're like hey please keep having some of like the best longevity we've ever seen in the sport but as long as that maintains yeah i love this fit and I love how it kind of. So the way the Grizzlies win right now, it feels like they have all of these different guys. You get someone else stepping up every other night. You have like consistent performances from, you know, Jaron Jackson Jr., especially, but for the most part

lately Desmond Bain. And then you have, yeah, Scotty Piffin Jr., Jalen Wells, all of these different people stepping up. In a postseason setting, that is not a reliable way to like create offense, even with drop back, like it's not reliable to look to five, six guys and be like, can two of you give me 15 points tonight? But if you slot in Kevin

Durant and then you're just looking to like, hey, can two of you give me eight, ten points while playing consistent defense, then yeah, that's a lot more. Like just slotting everybody down one in the depth chart offensively and then also on the other end

kind of slotting Kevin Durant down on the defensive depth chart and he doesn't have to be the anchor for a team that like use of Nurkich is planted in the paint or whatever. It's just which like yeah, Bobby Portis Kevin Hurder, I'd put Nurkich on that list too.

What do you guys think about it from the Suns? Do you guys think it's time to blow up the Suns? Like assuming the Jimmy Butler thing doesn't happen and they don't fleece Pat Riley and dump off Bradley Beal's terrible no trade clause, that doesn't happen. Do you feel like their head towards rebuild? Like could they do a blow up even a month from now? Even with that for the sons. I think if you make that trade, you can still keep Devin Booker. Obviously, you're not going

to be contending for shit, but you're going to be, like, fighting for your life to be a average team to at least make Devin Booker content and happy. For the meanwhile, while you figure out, or while your other pigs, like, slowly start to come in as time goes on. Overall, I think it's a cook product, and I'll probably lean towards, like, yeah, trade Devin Booker 2 and start from round zero. But in general, like, they can play both sides. Yeah, it's, it's one or, it's one of the other i think like most you either trade kd and booker and then you know figure out something to do with bill maybe you end up just being stuck with bill nobody wants to trade for him whatever but you either trade both them or you just ride the wave um yeah it's like to have to have

booker at this age and be like okay now we're going to have to you know start from ground zero again and it's like i saw how long it took you guys to get it competent the first time like i'm leaving If the sons are saying, hey, Devin, like, just give us two years, we'll be right back. If I'm Devin, I'm getting in which everyone is my favorite old-time car, and I'm driving away. I can't, I just, I can't do it again. They got the next Dragon Bender waiting for you at the door. They got the next Tyler. Eulis waiting for you, bro.

He brings, they bring in, they bring in Luke Kennard, and he gets flashbacks to Gore and Drogic. And he's like, get guys, please. It's funny that you guys should mention, oh, should they try? trade Devin Booker. I have the Houston Rockets sending Reed Shepard, Cam Whitmore, Dylan Brooks, Jeff Green, and three first-round picks to the Phoenix Suns in exchange for Devin Booker. Most of that is just salary matching.

And the draft stuff is important because it's Phoenix's own picks. They did this whole cycle where they ended up in Brooklyn. Then Brooklyn sent them to Houston in exchange for Brooklyn. Oakland's own picks back. And now Houston would have the ability to give Phoenix the ability to tank and control their own destiny again, which if you're a team that's looking to blow it up, that's probably the most valuable thing you could ask for. And so I feel like this gives Houston a real injection of like serious both half court offense and end of game offense specifically. Like they are just so ugly at trying to score the basketball towards the end of games. It gives you a real seasoned

like veteran leader a guy who has also played in a lot of important playoff games and uh i don't know like for me yeah moving moving off of whitmore and reed shepherd it sucks but those are guys that you aren't really relying on to to contribute anything immediately and so i'm so glad you brought this up yeah this is raphael stone is leading a masterful gambit here this is the end game so clearly to get those sons picks knowing you need the exact type of guard devon booker is and knowing Phoenix sees this while they are drowning in this

the worst big three you've ever seen put together and you're over here just dangling these first-on picks I know I know you want it

I know you want it I know you want it I have a way out right now they're thinking the back the head you can just take the easy way out

exactly and they're like fuck I do want it like they're constantly thinking about there is it out I could give Devin Booker to the Rockets

and cleanse my fucking hands it feels like it's gonna happen regardless what happens with KD if he goes to the Grizzlies it goes wherever i feel so confident betting that devon booker will be on the rockets yeah the

houston was on this path even if it's not for david booker they're going to have to do this anyways they have too many guys they're they're gonna at a certain they're gonna they're gonna have to start trading some guys off so why not you know why not trying go for a guy like like devon booker to to make that work it makes it makes sense on all parties and especially for the for the phoenix sons man if i'm the sons bro i'm I need it. Fuck all that temptation shit. Give me that shit.

I'm wiping my hands clean immediately, bro. I need that shit immediately. I need it like I need air. I needed like I need water. You're telling me I get to have Came in more, okay, cool, whatever. You need these three first round picks and you give me that white boy

who just dropped 50 in the G the other day. I needed to happen too day, bro. I don't know if they need to include Reed. Let's say they do, though. I think maybe it'll be three picks plus one of Reed or Whitmore. Let's say it's Reed. If you have Reed and you also have

Gigi Jackson and Vince Williams from the Grizzlies, Gigi Jackson has a lot of potential. We could look up and be like, oh, that's surprisingly was like a throw-in, but he could be like a guy. Having a good amount of your picks, it's not all of them, but a good amount of your picks plus Reed and Gigi Jackson, that's a way better place to start than it looks like they can start right now. Yeah.

And you could do like a lot of, like the Blazers flipping after they moved Dame, flipping Drew Holiday and trying to flip Robert Williams. Yeah. You could do that with Luke Kinnard. You could do that with Dylan Brooks, maybe with Markets smart. I don't know. but like you could get assets back for a lot of the guys

that you're getting in these trades so I like it if I'm the suns the future looks bright again at the very least but they gotta act quick bro they gotta they have to I don't think they will that's a problem

I think they're probably gonna hold on to this group a little too long they could probably do both these trades in the summer but if they had like really really had a vision and did that like two weeks from now

if the things keep going south and the bill benching doesn't work and Jimmy gets traded to wherever the fuck they can rip their band it off quick and really recover. Yeah. Sadly,

I don't think Matt Yaspia, his ego is probably too insane for him to want to give up on this so quick. Just at the end of last year when they went out so incredibly sad and got swept by the Minnesota Timberwolves, he was like out of all the 29 teams and the NBA, he said something like a lot of teams want to be in our position right now. He was looking at his team in the mirror. And he was like, yeah,

they don't want to be like us right now. Yeah, he was talking to himself. He was reassuring himself. He was like, yeah, who wouldn't, who wouldn't want to be me right now i'd want to be me let's see i have one trade left what a trade we got left to do mo you got one more okay what is that um it is the los angeles clippers now the team has surpassed a lot of expectations but why i say that too there's only so much they can do because they unloaded the clip a couple years ago when it comes to having kawai lander and

paul george into this infrastructure whatever so there's only so much news they can do but But in order to help, you know, continue to build on a certain level of competence, it will be helpful. It will be pretty useful to have a secondary bid come in right after Zubotis is out there putting in pain and putting in all types of work with James Hardin. And someone who's doing a whole lot of nothing, someone who's probably, not probably, he is in basketball hell is Robert Williams over there for the Portland Trailblazers. Super cheap. He's not one of the more coveted in my mind, at least. I may be out of loop. But in my mind, he's not one of the more coveted, you know, centers right now in the NBA, a pretty low-level name because he's in basketball hell.

Go ahead, steal him, finesse him from the Portland Trailblazers for just two second-round picks, and you get P.J. Washington and his entire shoe collection. Whole team is fitted up, two free second-round picks, and your center rotation gets a lot easier to work around, and you can have Donovan Cleland. and eat up a lot of minutes. I love this. Zubach is awesome. Their backup bigs are not awesome, to say the least. Robert Williams is a fantastic player. He's pretty awesome.

His knees are not awesome. They don't work. He needs to be in a role where he can play small minutes and give you really load-managed bursts of effectiveness saving for the playoffs. If we know one team that is an expert on saving guys of bad knees for the playoffs,

it is the Clippers. They'll know how to deploy him. If we know one guy that is really good at setting up those exact type of big, because I want to jump real high and catch dunks. Each James Hardin, they'll get the most out of those Robert Williams minutes. I love this.

It's a great low-level trade for both ends. Yeah, yeah. It's just tough because, like, I don't know, I don't know. Like, the Clippers just, I think they would do it because it's like they're already all in, all in. Like there's not that many more pivots they could make as far as like moving assets goes. And so really what's two seconds?

And, like, if it works, if it works, oh my God, it's incredible. And if it doesn't, you know, it's just another thing on the pile of like, okay, well, this was a disaster. And it was. It doesn't matter at all. It's really, it's a very non-movell needing trade for both teams asset-wise. All you have to gain is Robert Williams could be amazing. And if he's not, so be it. You're the same team you wore yesterday.

Yeah, exactly. They're like, you're getting rid of PJ Tucker who doesn't play. So who cares. Yeah, exactly. Like Robert Williams is not like elevating your team So a top three, four seat or nothing like that You're gonna be who you are I'm just more sure you now a little bit

That's it. Yeah, yeah Speaking of a deal that keeps the team who they are But helps a little bit If I'm the Dallas Mavericks, team we haven't talked about yet I am sending Maxi Kleba And a second round pick To the Toronto Raptors for Kelly Olinick

Oh, okay I'm giving them a bad white power forward They can't shoot And they're giving me a good white power forward They can shoot And I'm giving them a little bit of draft assets because they have no reason to have Kellyanick on his roster and I can give them one or two second round picks

which is what his value reportedly is they can get that they can cleanse their hands of Kleba pretty soon his deal has not had that much time left he can rot away over there and I love Kelly Olinic on the Mavericks yeah I mean they have the ability to go two bigs it'd be nice

I love Kelly on Olinic bro oh my god Jack you kind of look like Kelly Olinic I just really no no no no Kelly oh my god get out of a big I'm on if I was Kelly I'd be like two second rounders guys please I think I think a first is more his value he's pretty good um yeah no he he's he's straight up very good it's weird like the raptors are weird because it didn't make any sense when they picked him up to me at least and like it's cool that a bagi or whoever came along in that trade has really been playing well otherwise it would be like a border like it made no sense to sell a first to pick up a guy who you're not going to be competitive anytime soon. And so, like, if I'm the Mavs, absolutely, I pick him up.

I think there's very little drawback. Cleaver's not going to contribute anything anytime soon. And he's really been, like, wishy-washy in the postseason. Whereas Olinick, even if, like, the offense kind of abandons him in the playoffs, I still think he's, like, a really high-level, big defender. He's not super switchable, but, like, he can move around a little bit. And as far as, like, moves on the fringes of your. team go. I think it does more than most to make you like more competitive. Yeah, they've been

dying to have this ability to play two bigs with one that can shoot in Kleber and he just can't do it. They really want that though. We've seen we've seen Cleba there for years and mass fans have been subjected to that for years and that it's just time like they've made their all-in moves right? Like you've gone and you you got Kyrie, you went out, you got Clay Thompson. You this is like the exact move that that you need to for that like seven minutes. in the Western Conference finals where you need just some spark you need something

and Kelly Olinnick is going to come in knock down two back to back threes is going to be a crazy swing that's what you make this that's what you make these types of moves for and they were looking for it last year in the playoffs they looked for it before and Cleaver just hasn't been able

to give it to them so yeah you just got to try something different I can see it now you can go really big and you can have PJ Washington's a three Elinick at the four with the traditional five or you can go small and have a linic at the five

at PJ at the 4 and have crazy spacing. That's just a lot of versatility. Well, that's what I was going to say is I can see it now. The Thunder Conference Finals rematch, Thunder fans. Oh, we're, we closed that on PJ really good in the corner. Oh my God, Olinick from the other corner. It's like a 12-point game, and that's how they lose. Yeah.

Just bouncing back and forth corner, bong. Yeah, exactly. That's my gosh. That's Kelly's music. Oh, yeah. And that's all my trades. Who has a trade list? I have one, I mean, oh my God, you want to talk about a needle mover on a championship contender.

I have the Boston Celtics sending Baylor Shireman and a second round pick to the New Orleans Pelicans for a familiar face in Daniel Tice. This, I don't remember, I got this off of Boston's SB Nation website, but I don't remember the guy who wrote it down exactly. So I'm sure if you look, there's not that many Daniel Tice trades floating around. If you look that up, I'm pretty sure it'll be one of the first ones. Yeah, the Celtics probably won't make a trade. That's the reality of the situation. But if they did want to insulate themselves a little bit from a front court that one of them is made out of glass and the other one is 50 years old, shout out to Al Horford. It's cool.

Like, Daniel Tice isn't going to swing the championship in your favor, but he could do like some patchwork minutes here or there as like a gritty undersized big man. getting offensive rebounds and kicking it out to three-point shooters. But yeah, that's the last one I got. Nothing crazy. Wow. Awesome. Awesome. Shout out Daniel Tice.

Shout out to Baylor Shireman, dude. Creighton legend. Oh, my God. There's two teams that didn't have a trade for us. So sorry, two fan bases. You saw the title. You've been lied to an hour and a half in. This is the part where you get sad.

If you were a fan of the Cleveland Cavaliers, but the 76ers, we don't got a trade for you. If you're a cat fan, You should have a water drink. Yeah, you're fine. You're fine. Exactly. If you're a six-ers fan, I'm sorry. There's really not a lot of flexibility.

Maybe you go and get Nick Richards or Tori Craig or somebody small. I suppose it's possible. But if you're a Cavs fan, bro, you just beat the thunder. You're on top of the world. You have all the wings you need. Two amazing bigs, two amazing guards. What could you want more of? If you want more, you're just greedy.

Yeah. If they want more, that's what's wrong with humans in America also, bro. you're 31 and 4 how much better can you get as a team I need more I need more riches my pile has to get bigger I don't think you understand this

and that's a thing oh my god yeah yeah they dude the cast are amazing that that game last night is a thunder I said last week I think or a week before that I was

I don't remember the way I phrased it but I was like I wouldn't be shocked if the Cavs are in the finals like we need to start talking about like it's not just oh maybe they'll upset the Celtics who knows anything's possible to like are the Celtics the favorites right now because this team is neck and neck with them

they are just as good and I'm getting more confident by the day that this team not could they might be in the finals like I don't know if I'm ready to predict it but I'm getting close I'm not I'm just not there yet I'm you know I'm not

hate on on the Cavs today I'm not going to do that but they like i'm asking a lot for you tonight so i get it but like but they last night's game was was crazy and like it it was a game of the year contender for me i just i just think like the way that they executed defensively at the end of the of the game they were able to throw so many looks at oklahoma city and really make it difficult for them to get whatever shot that they wanted. And if DeMitts, who didn't even like, wasn't like, oh my God, it's Donovan Mitchell time, like to have him and Darius Garland be able to like to control the game at whatever

point, like there's still offensively another level for them to go to looking at last night. Nah, they're dangerous. They are dangerous. I'd like to apologize to Evan Mobley. I've long been on your train. I've been in love it since your rookie year and I've been defending you. When we did our player rankings a couple weeks ago, I ranked you at 31. I put you in Scotty Barnes talks and I just wanted you to know that I'm an idiot and I recognize that

that I'm just dumb as rocks because this man is probably listen I put J-Dubb I put J-Dubb I haven't movie might be better than J-Dove yeah I mean it's just

at the bare minimum it's time to start having those conversations about it's becoming indisputable how good he is we must start a dialogue we do and 31 is way too low

had him it was Scotty Barnes Jaron Jackson and Evan Mowley was like the debate I was having I think Moby's clear I think the way he's learned to use his size and really attack down low

and not be so reliant on jump shot development which has developed a little bit but the way he can be a physical finisher with that length like he is a mismatch if you play small against them and you almost have to play small against them because most teams don't have two seven footers and you can't go smallings Jared Allen

who's also would dump off dunk waiting to happen he knows how to use that size defensively he's top five defender in the world at least good metric I like it that's a top 25 player and really like if you

like if you asked me last year like he matches up with Isaiah Hartenstein I would be like well Hartstein is just way too strong way too physical for him and now now like seeing him like Hartinstein

there was hard fouls from Hartinstein who and Mobley was just going through them and finishing and so like that's really a testament just how much like stronger and bulky he's got me I 110% agree

and like Kenny Atkinson deserves the most credit in the goddamn world because I think someone one of their players I forget who came out and was like yeah like it's this team has been the same nothing's really changed other than Kenny Atkinson but if we were the team from last year we would have straight up lost this game and I think seeing what Evan Mobley has been able to do and how Kenny Atkinson had just like injected like this insane dog into him it's um it's it's opened up a whole universe of possibilities for them and their success and last night specifically like

you're you talk about this Isaiah Hardenstein and Evan Mobley matchup. There was this specific position, possession where Evan Mobley was trying to get a switch onto a smaller guard. I think it was Case in Walls or something like that. Don't remember. And it didn't work. Isaiah Hardin's on him. And Kenny was just like, sick him. Go ahead him. And we went ahead and he got filed or got a bucket over him. And I'm just like, yeah. I'm just not used to seeing this type of Evan Moble. He wasn't, there was some other platform out there saying that he was in Derek Faber's type of conversation in terms of like Oh.

When he was last year. Was that Tim Bontaps? It was one of those. It was some, I think it might have been Bontems on the, he was on the low post saying that. Mowgli last night, listen, no threes, right? He was over three from three. Still eight of 13 from the field, 21, 10, and seven with the steel and a block. The playmaking, bro, too.

I know what's crazy. The playmaking. Dude, the whole roster is on a string. They all select they have one connected high. hive mind. And what the hive man says is throw the ball to the fucking corners every time. Yes. And they don't miss those reeds. They have two guards and two bigs who are physical mismatches. And when they run a traditional pick and roll, you really can't stay in front of it. You're going to have to rotate because they're going to force you to put two on the ball and they're

going to dump it off one of those bigs. And you're going to have to help off the corners unless you want those big men to dunk every play. And they swing to those corners every play. And there's always a Max Drews waiting, a Dean Wade waiting who doesn't miss. And their guards, especially Darius Garland are amazing at relocating and finding those corners every single time they don't touch the ball

it's just like a factory that constantly pumps out open three pointers from the corner consistently And it's like I don't want to say OKC is like a bad matchup for the Cleveland Cavaliers

but OKC in general is a team that they love to get they love to let teams get open shots from the corner specifically and that was exposed like no other last night they allow the most corner threes and the entirely got to everyone

and seeing how you can just see Daris Scarlin or Max Drus or whatever it is just relocating and they're just all in sync you know that's that's special man To stop this to offense you're going to have to have the perfect defenders that can switch those two bigs

and those two guards consistently and not help off the corners nobody in NBA history has that unless you have fucking four Dennis Rodman's so you're going to have to find a way to out shoot them yeah wait until my Oxdale King comes back and when we see this and we got this match of it

in the finals and Chet's there Oh my goodness That's synops That's a good way To try to counteract that But you also have to have like You can slow it down a little bit

You're never going to stop that fully You also have to have a really Really high level offense To out suit them to some extent And that's what we've got to see Okay so you can keep up with that We know the Celtics can Okay so can they drop

125 every single game in a series If Sam Presti would have listened to our podcast And would have listened to What you suggested to them wise In terms of yeah like Cam doesn't over there get them for a couple picks or whatever it is I think that's very possible That's what we need we'll see

All right bow Let's let's put off for the blacks Can I include that? Can that be the intro of TikTok time? Yeah, why not? You're going to war right now Let's do this shit Welcome to TikTok time

As you can see We're about to do a drafts that is divided on racial biases we're doing a 2 v2 NBA lineup draft me and Jack versus Moe and Donovan the war is here I guess

I would like to make it they are they can put on for the blacks I'm just putting on myself you know I'm not

I don't feel comfortable putting on for the whites that's a little bit much I don't know that's going to sit well with some people I don't know

about that hoochee we might be We might be cooked I'm not putting off for the whites You said I will not be identified Well it's because if you do that Like you can get some comments Where it's like you know I really like that guy

He's the best guy on this podcast It's like what do you mean by that dude He's like yeah Mom and Don are cool but It's something about Jack He's something about Jack They're kind of loud Jack

He's just pretty well spoken You know It's something about flacko Yeah Exactly I'm a pocket passer You know Like I said

We're doing a 2B2 line of draft He's like we're gonna beat you people at this draft We're gonna beat you people at this draft We're gonna beat y'all it's something about Flack he's something about Yoko

He's something about Yoko's Joe star Just play Just pause the right way man No crazy takes Just the right way What did he say that clip Who he's like, I just felt safe Yeah

Who said that Stavros, this comedian Talking about Joe Flacco And how Baltimore fans Still like him over Lamar Because he's white He's like, yeah, Lamar's good, but it's something to Bob Flacko. Yeah, but we're doing a draft where we're drafting lineups

with only players who have played for the Oklahoma City Thunder. Yeah, not the Super Sonics. Not the Super Sonics, right? Just the Thunder era. Just the Thunder? Yes. We're done with the 90s, you know that we're not, we're not picking Gary Payton. Well, Gary Payton wouldn't have made it anyway.

It's important to clarify that. If you played in the 90s, you were bad at basketball. So, like, yeah. Man, man Only players Who played for the Thunder All only stipulations They had to play

There at least for one season Touched down one time At a Thunder uniform You can be drafted right now Okay All right Gordon Hayworth's You should give you guys

The first pick right So you got it We'll be nice We'll be nice Whoa Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa Reparation No

Reparation pick Give me my pick Yes You said it not me All right All right we'll take it We'll take it Let me take this one first

In the draft first pick of the draft and give me Kevin Durant Okay Kevin Rand Okay The only answer Can't believe

I don't know That far as Donovan The fuck I know Crevin Crevin Durant Jack One of the goats

Jack Oh man Actually no I know I forgot I almost I almost did some real stupid I almost did something stupid Oh What

As shooting guard Give us prime James Hardin Okay Okay That's about where I was gonna go So that's, yeah, I was this, I'm stupid.

Yeah. Listen, we get the best version of these players, not who they were of the Thunder. Give me MVP Hardin. Okay. Okay. Okay. Donovan, don't you dare sell me. The last two draft we did, it was a nightmare.

We have, listen, we have back-to-back picks here, so we can't double up. No, it's not a snake draft. There's no snake with two people. Oh, my God, Donovan. Did you not even look at the rules and regulations before we did this? I wasn't sent that. Now, my mind, do you want to snake? No, it's okay.

No, no, it's okay. No, no snake. Given that we're getting the best version of these guys, point guard. See, I don't know. I just don't know. I just don't know because it's a tough choice. Who are you going to give us? Listen, we, okay.

We need some type of playmaking on our team. Is that, is that where you want to go? Yes, because it is, okay, okay, we could go, wait, wait, we can go one way. Either way, it's not a terrible, it's not a terrible. That's what, that's what I'm saying. Okay, I am going, I'm going to go with the playmaker and I would like for us to draft Chris Paul at our point guard position. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Chris Paul? That's actually a great poll. Okay. Jack, I won't tamper. You pick who you want, but I will say there's a couple guards available and look which one they could put it to two. it's not the other one yeah no i yeah no you took chris paul no i'm gonna go i'm gonna go can we slot can we slot harden at the point guard and we can't she at the two oh yeah let's do it thank god you can't let them have shay at the two that would be disaster i didn't think you're gonna pick chris paul i thought i was gonna you see that's a good poll that's that's like prime chris paul is still a good pick okay you asked for playmaking what you think he was gonna do yeah okay

Because, and I'm, I'm kind of, listen, what's about to happen in this draft is going to be blasphemous, but I'm saying, wherever we go, like, at the two, the fact that they have these two guys, if they did pick the other person, it would mess up their team. So, like, either, either ways, it was going to kind of end up like this. And that's why I was wondering if we had a snake draft. But think about it, like, if you had prime Chris Paul with Kevin Durant, that duo works a lot. Let's add Let's turn it To a trio Prime Chris Paul

Prime Kevin Durant With MVPG Paul George I like that Okay That was gonna be We're fucking sit up with them I was hoping We're fucking sit up with theirs

I like this I like you can have that I need Listen She works so well right now Because he has five out spacing Give me Chad Holmgren He's gonna continue to have that

Okay I'm cool That's a good That's a good pick Donovan This guy We are The bigs are limited

I need you to do us right please there's only one option we got to go listen check can shoot and that's great we also need some shooting you need some defense yes don't fold yes yes yes at the at the center position i would like to draft al hofford oh my god you pick al horford oh okay who did i miss I loki think we could put together the best case scenario for the player I'm about to pick

I want to move Chet up a spot to power forward and I want to take Sabone at set center Okay That's clean So check and hide Sabon Okay great

I love all of it We got to miss that's what I'm saying That's what I'm saying Now it's the time to get the other guy Dude Oh you fucked up though Why did you Yeah

There we go We got a liability Let me get too much Let me get too much Let them make the mistake of getting too much of a good thing. There we go. No, no, we're not, no, we're not going to do the thing that you think. If it was my pick, I would have did it.

But I know, okay, I know. I know what you would have thought I would have did because then I would have done it already. Exactly. But Donovan, I can't think what you're thinking right now. So what are you thinking? Listen, I can't talk across the board like that, but I know you and I trust you. Okay. So go ahead and make the pick.

It's fine. Listen, it's fine. We have no defensive liabilities on our squad right now. And we shouldn't start having a defensive liability. We can afford one. We ain't doing that. We ain't doing that. You guys can afford it for sure.

Not really, actually. But anyways, at the four, let's get the OG stretch four in modernized basketball. Give me prime Surge Ibaka. Yeah! To steal this off. Ha! We doing it for us. That's a good pet.

I like Serge. I'm not moved. Well, search, he's good. Good. He's great. What are we talking about? Chris Bosch. I was like, oh, shit.

Chris Bosch. Tell us the world is to take a hike on the bench. Hey, he can't play with these guys. He can't play with these guys. It's fine. This is tough now. If you didn't pick some bonus, if you didn't pick some bonus, I'd pick mellow and get a bucket getter. But is that too many buckets?

I don't know if we need that. If we have some bonus hardening and shade touching the ball. Yeah, I feel. I mean, I can't talk across the board. I'll respect the rules that they established, but I just say there's a lot of offense already. So whatever you want to do is fine by me. Josh Guiz right there for you, Isaac.

I would pick Mello, but we have enough buckets. Hardin-Shay, Sabona's got us. Give me, J-Dub. Give it to me. I need this Swiss Army Knife Defender. This will age beautifully. This will age beautifully. I feel very firmly about this.

Because right now, everybody has like the retrospective how good surge was at his peak. jdub like the best version that we'll ever see a jadub i'll come back to this podcast in six years i'm like damn this team is so crazy dude oh my god but for right now we're someone who can defend kevin durant jdub can do his best congratulations on top of that too you're gonna have to figure out how to defend prime paul jordan prime chris paul that's that is not hard i have shay for pa george that is completely i mean it depends it's just like the regular like what round of the playoffs is this because i'm not that worried about paul jr

whatever round it is just no subonis is holding your team back like crazy. No. Wait, wait, we can't go. Now we can't go. We can't do the

playoff thing. You have James Hardin. Don't talk about Hardin. Don't talk about Hardin. Don't talk about Hardin. Don't talk about Hardin. The best team of all time is the only reason

he doesn't have a championship ring? Calm down, dude. Jay Doe didn't have a great playoffs last year. So bonus is in a playoff. You might have a team full of frauds when it comes to April, Maine, June. I'm noticing something. No, no.

No. They don't think about it. In the future. Should we do snake for 2B2 drafts? Because I'm realizing now that we got super fucked by just losing KD and not get anything and balance it? No, you're good.

You ought to be fucked anyway. Should we do snake in the future? I don't know. We'll see. Nope. You lost. Ooh, audio listeners. We finished up with Chris Paul, Paul George,

KD, Sergi Baca, and Al Horford. I don't know. You're acting like it's obvious. You didn't. It is obvious. How could it not? No, we kill you guys. No, you don't.

You have a bonus at your five. Our team wins. Our team wins. in an easy, easy, you're out of your mind. You're out of your mind. We win in five games. Put the bonus of five outstacing and see what happens.

I will say the first pick here is crazy. Like, it's crazy because the first pick kind of, it's crazy that Westbrook doesn't make this at all. Just because it's so hard to, like, build, like, the real playoffs. And it's hard. Like I like Westbrook and everything. But, yeah, the first pick is tough just because they,

then you can go so many places after Kevin Durant. And I feel like, like I love Prime Hardin and I love Prime Chris Paul and everything. I just feel like everybody else in the history of the franchise is like a tier below KD. I will say, I was hoping that we could have a Chet Horford and have five out spaces. But we'll make it work with Subonis, I guess. All right, Sabon is 50% from three on one attempt a game this year. So it's coming along. If Sabonis had Chet Holmgren to hide him defensively, he'd look a lot better.

I'm sorry, buddy. There's only so much hiding you can do when you got Katie, Paul George, and CP3 out for your head. Mm-hmm. He can hide on her Baca. You want Ibaka to beat this in the post on Sabonis. Go for it. What? I'm all right with that.

I'm begging you. Get beat then. Yeah. You must forget about who Sergei Baca is. What? You thought you forgot. You forgot. I know it's been like a decade, 2016 type of era.

It's been a while since we've seen him play. Don't ever sleep on Serge Baca. I'm begging you to beat me with Sergei Baca. I would love to see it Oh my goodness Shout to I guess, you know I'm looking at the Raptors now Shout to Abacca, it's cool

We got the series in like six games If this was the case Yeah, I'll say just be Just because of three point variance It'll be six games But like if we'd be in for real It's like a five game series You guys might be guarding Shay

And who was guarding Hardin? Chris Paul Paul George and KD What are you talking about? Who is guarding Kevin? Durant. Jadam? He's getting fried.

He's getting fried. Get out of here. He'll do his best. He's getting fried. He'll try hard. He'll bark. This might be a career series for Kevin Durant. Like,

not that much. That's too much. With all that space and shit, it might be. His chat behind him, it'll be all right. It'll be cool. He might score 36 a night.

I'm just saying, like the longer, the longer this goes, the better this team will age. Like, if you think about Chet, Like, we think about what Chats can look like when he's like 26 years old. Your guy missed 27, there's really no talent.

Like, the potential of this team. Oh, my God. It's insane. Your guy got to the Western Conference Finals and set a record from. All right. C.B. Zero. All right. CB.0. And went. Here we go.

The best, first of all, the best opportunity that Hardin had to go to a finals was with Chris Paul. He needed him. Let's talk about it. Real conversation. next thing we're going to do yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you want me to slander Chris Paul some more

I got the ammo if you want to hear it but I'd rather not do it I got some ammo for you guys I got some ammo for you guys for our next segment we are going to be rating NBA fan tattoos over the years every once in a while we know how diehard fans can be whether they you know dress up as an NBA player

masquerade as them get a haircut we're going to show you guys some of the most interesting fan tattoos and I want you to rate them on a scale of 1 to 10 okay so based on how good they are would you rock this tattoo

okay first up we got James Harden on this I thought needle juice from the Howard Stern show I thought that was Paul Pierce wait who is he Beetlejuice I know Beetlejuice

I know Beetlejuice It doesn't not look like And put the picture on the screen You know A side by side Would not be friendly to this tattoo I'll say that Oh

Maybe this guy Maybe this guy got it And then like he bulked up a little bit So his arms wider Than it was When he first got the tattoo That's kind of a vibe I'm getting Man get that yam off your elbow, bro

This is It's not the word in the world. It's also funny on the elbow because you can move your arm, make it look like he's talking probably. That's probably the whole stick. This isn't sponge bob. The mouth can't move if you move your arm. It's not how this works. The mouth can't move. What's it all for? This is a two out of ten. Yeah, it's very low for me. Yeah. I'll give it a story. I'll be nice. Okay. Wouldn't rock this. If it wasn't for the beard, it doesn't resemble James Hardin very much. I'm going to also the beard looks nappy as all get out. It looks ridiculous. You're talking

about the beard i'm focused on the hair like i don't know what yeah it's just like a patch that's it's like no hairline no none this is that yeah that's a that's a that's a sport clips fade for sure it looks like a combination of like james hardin paul pierce and lance stevenson just like messed into one and i can't get past it yeah no this tattoo artist was in hell bro it's clear his day with the with the lazy eye sprinkled on it it's not it's not next up we got victor Wembenyama. This guy's cashing in early and he's that way ahead of the game. Y'all think y'all real Wemby Glazers? You can't beat him.

Can't beat him. Oh. So he's a monster. Is that what, is he's like one of the guys? So it looks like. I'll give this. If it was just the head, it'd be better than the hardened one. But I'll give this like a two out of ten. I really don't like that body.

It's very off-putting. Like the combination of the head and like realistic head, cartoon body. like I don't have the hand so sassy look at the hand why is he so like listen the detail on this tattoo though the artistry of this tattoo raises it a lot it looks like him I guess that's fair

yeah very rarely do get somebody's face tatted on you and it actually comes out to look like this I like this I'm giving it I'll give it I'll give it like a seven out of ten it's creative you like it you're you're about three more lob dunks away from getting a one be tattoo yourself so I don't know Oh, yeah Hey, can neither confirm nor deny

I'll give it a five It's cool Listen, if you're going to invest in a player tattoo Wembe is a pretty good investment This is Bitcoin in 2004 Exactly He's ahead of the game

Bro, he's ahead of the game Next up We got Clay Thompson He's on this guy's chest He's on He's on this guy's plate too This is White-ass face

He's on his chest There's belly button His knees He's stretching everywhere Clay Thompson anyone? Clay Thompson maybe. Yeah. This doesn't look like him. I want to adjust the Wembe thing now because I have nowhere to go. This would be like negative three if I'm prepared at the last one, dude. Jack is not a fan of tattoos is what that tells me. Well, the barrier to entry here is I would never

get someone's face put onto my box. It's just not happening. And so especially like someone, Wembe is one thing even. Clay Thompson though, like that's not happening. All right. So question, question though. Forget a player. Would you ever get a friend tattooed on you. Fuck no. Maybe it's like, maybe it's like they died or something, but like not just because I like them, not just because they're made a good game seven or something.

You think I'm moving like Drake, getting my fucking friends on me because they're famous? I don't know. You're not putting your bestie on your chest? I got something to show you after this podcast, Donovan. It's not on my chest. No, this is a negative too. This is so disrespectful. Yeah, this is not even like this means nothing to me right now.

Like, it's not even an iconic photo of any sort. He's just looking off at the sky, probably looking at his boat or whatever. This is really like a fucking plateful of the hot dogs. It's bad. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he does look like him. It's bad because it does look like him, but it looks like him in a fat way. It's like, brother, like, that's just that's just not me.

Like I did have rebuked these allegations. And it's insane. It's insane to have like a realistic tattoo. Like this looks like it could be a real. person. But to have a realist someone who's a good enough artist to make it look real and then still have it wind up looking like this is

insane. It looks terrible. Next up, we got DeAndre Jordan. This looks I wonder who made this. This looks like a hate crime. This looks like someone you would see in the game, guess who?

This is the face that DeAndre Jordan made after he did his iconic dunk over Brandon Knight. Oh. That it looks. The 1920s Walt Disney menstrual cartoon. That's crazy,

bro. I would love to be in the room when this person showed that tattoo to their friends. Like a group full of Clippers fans and he's like, guys, you're not going to believe this.

Check this out. And everyone just goes, oh, cool, man. Nice. Yeah. This just sent us back. Who is that? Oh.

Oh. Gianjordan. No, I see it. Oh, I see it. If I was eight years old, you can convince me this is goddamn John Henry building railroad tracks. This is like Joe Johnson. Yeah. And sometimes I see LeBron, bro.

It looks like anybody. We are straying too far now. I'm sorry. I can just tell you what I see. It looks nothing like John J. Jordan. That we can't agree on. what does it look like to you no man now now for progress we're not talking about this this is a this is this is this is a zero out of ten i can't do this all right all right that's cool

peep the skin tone behind the left picture next one next up we got kawai leonard this is he looks smacked high off the find this weed over there in L.A. Damn, bro. Oh, wow. The ISO fire apart. Wow. I feel like the angle of this picture is not doing it. Like, I feel like we're a little too high to be head on with it, but he looks a little

too high to be on a tattoo. Like, it's, yeah. I'll give this a three out of ten. If this is not as scary as the other ones and it's pretty, like, well done, it's just a little uncanny. If this is so wise, face. in real life his like court vision would be ridiculous bro he's not missing he's the most complete and greatest player of all time

he's talking about LaBronis and flexibility but we can see into next week goddamn I can't believe what I'm looking at right now this is insane it's like a bug you might have to explain this to your kids one day this is this is crazy you don't this is a kid it's clearly a Canadian who got this got this tattoo and for what Kauai did for that we're gonna listen in one year

they can't have to just understand you just got to understand bro I think this is an 8 am I more like pop smoke than Quay Leonard next up we got Patrick Ewing why is the blue look like that that's my biggest complaint Ewing

Ewing my bad boo boo Yeah, I don't care about the drawing. The color blue is just a weird blue. That's just like, you need, you need better color. But like the rest of the tattoo side, it's a regular Knicks tattoo. I don't know.

Of all the ones that we've seen so far, I feel like this is the one I couldn't even like. Like if you, with the DeAndre Jordan one, you could say, well, this is after he dunked on Brandon Knight. And I was like, oh, okay. I see the picture, at least, in my brain. It doesn't look like it at all. With this one, like, there's no way you could. explain this to me as Patrick Ewing, where I would be like, oh, okay, that's, that's who I'm looking at. So I'll give this, yeah, I'll give it a zero out of time. Yeah, I'm thinking

nothing. What I'm getting, what I'm getting from this is that nobody should ever get a player's face tattered on them because it's just a very hard thing to do and actually pull it off. Really? You're playing a dangerous game. I'll say that. Yeah. Yeah. You're risking a lot. tough. Next up, we got Jordan Wins. Is that on his foot? Yes. One, I'm sure a foot tattoo

fucking hurts. So you got really love this random ass fake color way of ones that you want on your foot. You'll never take him on. He got the shit on all day, every day. Even when he's sleeping night. Even when he's in the shower, bro. Look at the laces. He's committed to having that shit on.

Yeah, and it's never going to go away. It's permanent. So he's literally fresh to death. I'll give this a five Just because they crop the toes out And so I don't have to look at the whole foot It's not well done I'm just glad that the picture We're not at least like looking at dogs right now

I cannot believe this People have too much time Too many ideas I'm going I'm going one out of ten We need less creativity in this world Just get a tattoo of your mom or something Just in regular. Get a quote.

Don't even tat you, Bob. Because at this rate, it's just going to look disrespectful. Don't even do that. Next up, we got, what's this player's name? Mendoza something. Mindows, starts with the K. Donovan. Yeah, comming. I forgot how to say his name.

But yes, I know who you're talking about. When that's up, we got this next player, damn it. I don't know who this is. He was part of the benefit. between like 2017, 2018, I think. Okay. The benefit to getting someone nobody knows tatted is that no one knows

what it's supposed to look like. So theoretically, like, this could be a tadatat. That could be exactly what that guy looks like. I have no idea. Mendogis, Kuzminskis. Yes, Mendelisksis. There we go.

What the fuck? I don't know who that is. I don't know who got the tattoo, where he's from, why he's an icon apparently. I see his signature below the tattoo. That's kind of crazy. He was a little. He was a suer.

I actually did like him. Yes, he was cool. Yeah, it was cool. Or on the Ron Baker era. Remember that, Isaac? Yeah. Ooh, nice. I love the Ron Baker era.

I know about Ron Baker. Let me tell you. He got some stories. This is kind of hard, though. I'll get this attention. That's a Knicks if he dies. I love Ron Baker. Next up, we got this Jordan tattoo.

Again, fresh to death, Isaac. To the grave. He's keeping that shit on. I guess. It'd be cool if you did the whole thing. If you did, you know, like the jersey and the red shoes. and everything and you're just like you were naked but you were in uniform

I can sit there naked in uniform you lay down on night you're serving your country of Michael Jordan in uniform it at least looks like the back of the jersey like it's not like it's weird

it's an insane concept and whoever did this should have their tattoo gun taken away but it looks accurate at least let it be known it is embarrassing but the quality is there so I guess we can give them five

I can't blend yeah I can't blame the tattoo artist he's just trying to feed his family and if somebody wants to come in listen as long as they are not drunk and come on i'll tattoo you i will get paid whatever the tattoo artist is like did i do bad work that's the question yeah it's not the morality of it it's the quality of the work yeah it's all the lines crispy it's about the process me personally if it was lebron i would 100% do this bro without it out easy i'm sure you would of course come on man why next up we got Derek Fisher.

What is that? I'm pouring Budweiser on you, goat. This is elite. It's actually really good. This is elite. I mean, listen, if you,

the detail is insane. If you forget the fact that you have Derek Fisher tattered on you for life, like that's crazy. But again, it's about the quality of the work. This is amazing.

This is high quality art. We got to go eight out of ten years. Yeah, I would genuinely give us like an eight or a nine. Like, especially it doesn't like, it helps. this one because we've just been looking at garbage the whole time. And so the first

one we see that's like actually well done. It's like, oh, that's like the best tattoo I've ever seen. So yeah, I'm cool with, I'm cool with nine. Yeah, exactly. Why is it there Fisher and why are they pouring liquid on him that I don't think is water? I don't think they can't water back then. So what's going on here? No, it's beer. They just won the chip.

He's won the chip. I've never seen a beer pour after a chip. I understand that. But like, usually she's champagne. I've never seen beer poured on you. The champagne bottle wouldn't have fit in the person's hands real quick. It would have been something. For design purposes, so if I was expecting champagne pours and someone poured a fucking beer on my head, I'd be so mad. It'd be like that, though.

No, this is a 10. It's good quality. Yeah. Next up, this is not a tattoo, but it's a LeBron James haircut. It's a fade, right? See, 10 out of 10, only because it can go away in two weeks. And one thing about Donovan, he's going to respect a barber. He's going to put some respect to Barber Street's name.

In my opinion, it is like teachers, first responders, barbers. Like, that's like every, every community needs those. And then we can have a foundation for a solid society. Barbers are. That's what keeps us going as a worker. They're great, man. Who are we without crispy fades? That's what we need to ask.

Nothing. But Donovan, we have nothing to stand on if you don't have a crispy fate. Something I will say, though, about this tattoos that the, your hair's going to grow out wildly uneven because of the beer in the back. Are you willing to do that for your king? I'm not doing this, right? This is more of a youth thing, right? I'm just saying once again, shout to the barber.

I'm just looking for personal advice because I'm actually thinking about doing this. Okay, yeah. Shout out, shout out to the barber. He did pretty good work. I like this. This is like a seven out of ten. Okay. Yeah, I'm cool with seven.

Look at like, to accomplish shading with clippers is pretty insane. I'm not going to lie. He got LeBron's wrinkle lines. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. That is true. Cool. The rankle line details insane

Okay shout out man That's the last one There you go Get some work done All right let's transition a little bit Let's talk about some actual basketball No more tattoos We're gonna do

We're gonna do a segment we've done before I'm gonna show you a past NBA player From a different era And you're gonna tell me who their current day comparison is So it can be style of play It can be standing in the league It could be you know

The role on a team Whatever it is who is a representative in today's NBA. Okay, sounds good. Okay, let's get it. First off, Tim Duncan. Oh, man. Who is the best player,

but also like, slick, boring, oralist player that you can think of right now? It's Jason Tatum. It's Jason Tatum, but I don't want to call him Tim Duncan, so I'm going to say, Nicolai Yokic. That's fair.

I'm cool with Yokic. I was thinking Mobley, just in terms of, like, the defense and everything, but if we're looking for, like never reacts very little aura but is also like Tim Duncan at his peak was the best player in the league or one of like the two or three I think Yokic fits that pretty well and again when he retires I promise you we'll never hear from him just like we don't hear from Tim Duncan very

much exactly that is true okay I can go with that yeah okay Dwight Howard who has no footwork but will dunk on a motherfucker's face so many times that at least to some good offense. It's an archetype that's really fallen by the wayside now that I'm thinking about it. So you have to think of like the modern version, like who's for today's league and today's standards. They don't make them like that anymore.

They really don't. Honestly, 2025 Anthony Davis might be the closest because he doesn't dribble like that anymore. Oh, I know who it is. It's Dwight Howard, but he's shrunken. It's fucking Derek Jones, Jr. Oh my God. What the fuck?

Eric Jones, Jr., bro. I don't even worry what the hell. Play great defense and just dunk, bro. That's all I need you to do. But you got to play through that. You got to be somebody that's like their offense is dunk. No one does that though anymore. It might be Anthony Davis.

I don't know because he does more than. Because he doesn't shoot or dribble that much anymore compared it back in the day. He's really, really getting dunks down low. Listen, Loki. On the post? low key i mean we could talk we could talk about a men thompson we we could talk about a guy he's a man thompson dwight no he can't shoot he can't shoot all he does is like you know he's close he's close to the room yeah the dwight god howard comp has like shrunk as the years of going on there's nobody

that plays like this anymore that you that you would actually like build an offense around this so like you have to go with role players you have to go with guys who just have like small We say like Jalen Duren, even though he doesn't play fucking defense. Jalen doesn't, not a bad comp, at least visually. Like, he's got big ass arms, too. He's got giant shoulders, Dwight Howard. I guess it's the best we're going to do. It's not an architect.

It doesn't exist anymore. It's gone. RAPTCHA fallen soldier. Zion Williamson, I guess, in terms of like one-dimensional players that are so powerful, they can make it work. That's not a bad. He's not a two-way player, though. Yeah, he's played one game in three.

years. No, I'm good. Jalen Duren, you get it, I guess. I guess you're a better example. That's so funny. Damn, dude. Jail and Dirk, there's literally no other options, I guess. You're small.

There you go. Rajan Rondo. Hmm. Okay. Dimer. Loki. I'm not necessarily going through it. 2024 Jammarant is kind of playing like him.

He's not shooting quite as much. He's really focusing on drive and click playmaking. See, that's not a bad cop because I've always felt like Jha kind of moved in a similar fashion as like Rondo just the way that he like Especially like pre pre ACL Rondo is like who I'm thinking like when he was still crazy at like he wasn't John Morant athletically but like before he heard himself and heard his knee like he was an insanely fast guy I don't hate that comp It's just Jha has shown like so much more of a scoring bag I feel bad doing it Yeah, it's like if you just put springs in Raja and Rondo shoes. Hmm. Give him moon boots.

Remember moon shoes on those old commercials? I don't. Yeah, I do. That's funny. Yeah, it's just Rajan Rondo and Moon shoes. Oh, my God. Damn, yeah, there's not a lot of Raja and Rondos again in the league right now. Would the easiest comp be to just scale him up and just be like Dremont Green?

Or could we be like, this is Tari's Halliborne during his road games? Oh, okay. Okay. Now, that's very young this year. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's fair.

Next up. We got Minnesota Kevin Love. Minnesota, Timberwell. Minnesota, K. Love kills me all the time. Tubby. Who's the, who's today's dough boy? I mean, give him an opportunity. They don't give my boy Kenny Lothen a chance.

Hey, he's dominant, the Shanghai Sharks. He's one of the best in the league, man. But I feel like. I feel like Sabonis is like an extension of Kevin Love's play style a little bit. You lose the shooting, obviously, but like really physical post-ups, and he's like, they use him. I feel like Kevin Love was a good passer, and the wolves just didn't have the talent around him to, like, use him as a hub that much. But the Kings do it with Sabonis a lot. Yeah, I guess that's the best example.

There's not a lot of, what other big is, like, really lack mobility like that? see this it's so it's so tough because like the league is so different than what it was like five years ago that you go back yeah 10 15 and all the all of your like favorite archetypes 80% of them are gone is there some like role player that's like oh that's loki kevin love i'm trying to think i don't know body type zoobots reminds me of them a lot but like they're very different play style wise yeah i don't know if there's a Is Sengu? Is Sengu? Is Sengu, the best example? Eh. Langee, he's pretty mobile, though. Like, we've seen him on the perimeter a little bit this year.

I don't know. Yeah, I mean, Kevin Lov didn't have completely stone feet. Listen, Kevin Lov, it's starting to look like you are a one-of-one talent. Fucking sounds like, you have a hell dumb. We got it. Like, you have no comparison. All right, there you go. Dr. J.

Hmm. this guy's just cool man this is like yeah just cool as fuck high flying athleticism he just looks like he moves different than everybody else and has aura different than everybody else you know well that's a man thompson is the person that you're described like literally everyone who play the entire NBA is top 1% athletes and every time they play him in thompson they're like i've never seen somebody move like this it's it's different he's different so i mean so maybe who's a starboarder that Is he cool?

I don't think so. Is it Anthony Edwards or? Maybe. This is game too like. Before the shooting leap, maybe. Is he, isn't even he cool enough? Like, Dr. J. cool is different. He has like an ethereal coolness.

Mm-hmm. I think if Brandon Miller had an OD aura, he would be Dr. Jay. Brandon Miller. Have you seen his posters? Have you seen his dunks this season? We're disrespecting Dr. J. You're not going to, what you're not going to do is put Dr. Jay and Brandon Miller combos.

Bro. You have not seen Brandon Miller posters season. He's been coming different. We can say Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards last season. If we just go 2024, Anthony Edwards, that version of him is Dr. Jay. Watch a five-minute highlight tape of Jayling Green. There we go.

Oh, my God. I'm cool with the Brandon Miller thing. But, like, to do the Jalen Green cop, I have to step in at some point. We have to have standards at a certain point. That's ridiculous. At a certain point, we had to ban you. I just see. No more cops.

We're trying to reach and I'm trying to get it for you all. Moses is going through his notes out. I'm just saying like, who did I write down that was hot? Yeah. They got it.

It was hot. Chris Bosch. Now this one, I feel like Chris Bosch was ahead of his time as far as like Mobile Bigs. Like this is where the league was heading. It's like a little bit of like Evan Mobley movement patterns but like Jerry and Jack's on his skill.

Yeah. Yeah. I think Jaron Jackson is a comp for sure. Yeah, I like that too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would say Jaron Jackson just because I also always feel like both of those guys get branded. Bosch gets branded as like a stretch big. And he was like a good mid-range guy but never really put it together from three.

And then Jaron Jackson Jr. in my brain is the same way where I'm like, oh, he's a stretch big, no problem. And then I check every season and he's like 35%, 33% from three. And I'm like, yo, what? Like five rebounds a game. Your jump shot, it's so pretty. Why is it not going in more? But, yeah, the way they move, pretty similar. I like that.

And nobody really plays out of the post these days. So I think if Chris Bosch came up today, he'd be more perimeter oriented and dribble a little more like Jared Jackson does. I like it. Okay, that's an easier one. We've got next. Where's my keyboard?

Joe Keem Noah. This is one of my favorite ones. Joe Keem Noah would thrive in today's game this passing his defense he's not as good but an irritant the same way is uh jeremy sohan i feel like where really like like noah was always just pissing the other team off and we've seen like several moments this season from sohan where he's like yeah i don't like the houston rockets when they had to play them three times over the next five games or something yeah jeremy's also like he also like publicly like was having beef with lebron james too you know he did the same

exact shit true I like where you're going true Sohan also has the wild ugly shooting form he shoots

free throws you know shoots free throws weird if you had if he had Jeremy Sohan's mind into Isaiah

Hardenstein's body and skills then you get joking of Noah that's a scary thought yeah shout out to Prime Noah

man he was good he was good okay I like it yeah okay that's good

Isaiah Hardenton's a pretty close offensive comp though okay Joe Johnson a lot of players so many guys I could list off in my mind.

Cam Thomas, I guess. It's a smaller. Yeah. I guess. I don't hate Brandon Ingram here. Just in like big forward who really likes to methodically score. But I feel like Miller or Ingram probably like a better passer. We've said that he's underrated already on this pot. Like he's very good at passing. And that's, I don't know. But it's all right. Older, like older Paul George, but with less defense.

I was going to say Paul George's out there because of how he moves, yeah. But obviously, he doesn't have the shackles that Paul George had in his prime. Yeah. Okay. Again, kind of a one-of-one talent. Oh, my gosh. It'll never be another. They won't be.

They won't be. They don't make them like this anymore. I don't know what to tell you. What makes, what about Judge Johnson makes them so unique to you that they don't make them like this? Right. So I told you before, right? So in basketball, there's a super short position that you try to play out of, right?

I'm cool with that. Yeah, I'm cool with Jocke. Very much. There's a good one. Yeah. Scotty Pibbin. There's a lot of these two where it's like defensive-minded

like passing forwards. This is Jason Tatum. Yeah, I'm about to say this is a little bit worse version than Jason Tatum. I don't know about a little bit worse. I don't know what a little worse. It's a little bit.

It's a little bit. Apparently we're not done with the 90s, I guess. Whatever. Now, Tatum's a good. Tatum's a solid comp. Like a natural evolution of what Pippen was doing.

I thought there's also some Scotty Barnes in there. Okay. I like Scotty Barnes more than Tatum. Yeah. Like, if Scottie Barnes played with his version of Michael Jordan, like if Scotty Barnes could be the second guy to Anthony Edwards,

he would fill a lot of gaps that a star needs. next one. Hey man, we got to make that happen. We got to make that happen. No, I need Scottie Barnes a sidekick. It'd be sick. No, their team's PR, their PR team is going to be in hell

constantly between these two. Hell. We got to get Scottie Barnes back in the piston so it could be Kate and him again. That'd be perfect. Oh, wow. Cade. That'd be kind of fire.

Scotty and Kate, that'd be kind of fire. That'd be perfect. Hell, yeah. This is a great, great pod where we just stood around. What are these two good guys played together? I think that would be fun, you know? J.R. Smith. Ooh, again, I think there's a lot of these guys around the league.

Yeah, heat check shooter around the league. Shooter, but also, you got to keep the personality in mind. Who embodies the Yarsmith energy? Oh, we've, we've, we've, we've, we've, we've, we're joking about like one of ones right now. If we're trying to keep. Oh, I've never. here it's genuinely one-on-one with jr like there's not that many guys who are like i know i'm a role player i know i'm not the most important guy on the team i'm gonna do my job but at the

same time you're gonna get like the craziest shit in the world for me twice like i'm gonna do something insane who has that brain i mean it's a little bit of malik monk but milik monk has more prer training yeah that's not terrible because they're also like electric athlete prime jr smith he was insane i'm cool with malik like malik monk if If J.R. had, like, the devil on his shoulder wasn't always winning in terms of, like, shot selection. They don't make guards anymore with devils on their shoulders. Everybody has PR training. Everybody says the right things.

Where are the J.R. Smith? That's why the ratings are down. We don't got J.R. Smith anymore. I wish Deion Waders was still in the league because I'll be like, that's him. Where are the Deion Waders? They don't exist anymore. They've gone to smushed out of them, and now they're all Ties Jones. Ew.

Yeah. What happened to creativity, bro? Fuck. Just sad side, man. I guess James Bucknett was the last one. I don't know where he is. He was not the last one. I didn't hear that.

Benedict Matherin. Is there a little J.R. Smith and Benderick? Sure. Yeah. I think, yeah. Actually, there's a lot of guys who are like, you said his name and Moe parked up. Moe loves.

He loved Benedict. There's like guys who are like J.R. with no aura. We're like, like, Rojier, I feel like you could say maybe with a shot selection at the end of games. I feel like Tim Hardaway Jr. is in a similar spot where it's like the Pistons. They don't necessarily need a shot. He takes the shot. Yeah, so I don't know.

There's a lot of versions of J.R. Smith out there. Yeah. But early career J.R. Smith is very different from like late career Jarr Smith. That's when he was at his best. What you mean? We need to find out who the Michael Jordan of J.R. Smith is. I was talking about.

Who is a Michael Jordan of J.R. Smith? Tim Hardaway? The OG? No. who that be is that like it's kind of like a low level all star that's a little bit crazy low key like is peyra stoyakovich a fair comp where they two different where it's like it's like

just shooter crazy shooter but peyra was so yeah respect pasha he was good dude no you're right you're right if we're just talking about mindset and attitude when you step onto the court oh oh oh oh oh monte ellis oh okay yeah that's better okay that's good that's that's better yeah okay next thing uh i think we have some quotes here i don't know what that means what we're doing what we're doing demo will you prepare for us over the years there've been some famous NBA quotes michael jurean once said eff them kids um we've also i love that he didn't

actually say that he didn't really say that too i love damn on yeah anyways famous NBA quotes. Dionne Waiters once said There's so many NBA quotes over the years I want you guys to go ahead. No, I didn't remember. I just read I think it's a part of this goddamn slideshow. Dion said, yeah, there's so many quotes, man. I almost ruin a goddamn to talk

because it's a part of this shit right now. That's all the go shit, I can't say that. There's so many quotes. So many quotes over the last few years. And I want you guys to rate them on a scale one to ten I was one expected to remember I'm sorry

continue all right first quote up we got LeBron James back in the day he said before the game even started I said he was probably going to score 70 points tonight I don't know what made me say that my friends are with me and I was like okay

when he got to 70 I was like he might as well go for 80 Why did you say whipped like that? What are you talking about? Whip me. I love this. This is the origin of the LeBron James is a liar movement. That's that he predicted Kobe's 81 point game.

All right, man. Shut up. Shut up, LeBron. It's crazy that the meme has gone so far. I really did not know the genesis of it. I didn't know that this is what he was predicting when he was lying in that clip. and so he woke up and said Kobe's in the score 81 against Toronto Raptors

on this random Thursday morning He's just out of feeling you know And that's why he used to go That's why Michael Jordan never felt that way That's the thing Exactly I guess we're giving this a 10 then Yeah

You can't name another player Of his caliber predicting the future like this It's 10 Hey he was right so you gotta give a 10 From correctness Exactly he was just late telling us That's it I don't believe it

10 out 10 nevertheless next up we got joe mazula saying i'm always up to get i'm always up to get knocked out i think that's important to if you can't go through the day hoping you don't get knocked out i don't know what do you do listen y'all joe mazula is quickly rising up as one of the greatest speakers we've ever had in NBA history every two days something comes out of his mouth and you're like wow that's kind of wild but if you think about it for two seconds it's the most profound thing you've ever heard in in your life i'm giving what have you gone from this quote somebody he woke up he's like damn i hope i get my shit rock today that'd be great yeah yeah it's crazy

to have wemby like mazula is doing for quotes uh what wemby is doing for basketball where it's like every week week after week it's like how much higher can this guy go and then it's like dude what's the ceiling here I'll give this an eight because I feel like I could go through Missoula quotes and find one I prefer the insane ones and like this is this is intense but I want him to be like it's like

what are you talking about Joe like we can't even relate somebody asking about the third quarter run the Miami Heat made and he's just like I need you to break me down Adam by Adam so I can be risen up a new again yeah this is a 10

inspiration next quote Joe Missoula says there's no fouls in war you either die or you don't what do I do too real

it's a 10 is a 10 out of 10 yeah this what I'm talking about yeah yeah this is what a 10 looks like from Joe where it's like it's like holy shit are you okay

do you need to talk to someone Missoula not even talk to someone I wish I had a boss and sell this uniform right now because I want to play for someone I want to run through a wall baby it's just facts

you either die or you don't Like, that is just the realest shit anybody could ever say. All the reporters are just like, true, true, okay. You can't argue with them. Exactly. That sucks. On to the next play, Bucco. Did you die?

No. Get back on defense, idiot. Simple as that. Joe Mazula again. It's win or die. Yo, it's real. This is real. This is straight Talladega Knights.

you either first or your last. This is a winner's mentality. I'm telling you, I have done a complete 180 on Joe Missoula. He is now arguably my favorite coach in NBA history. I don't even watch Celtics games anymore. I wait until after the game just to watch the press conferences. It is amazing TV. It's a win for die.

It's like fourth quarter of the West game. And you're like, oh, shit, the Celtics press conferences are right now? Yeah. I'll give this a nine. I like it well. I mean, Missoula, like I said, he's a very talented guy. And this is incredibly true,

you know? I will say, it's either you win or you die. Joe Missoula is not for everyone. I cannot let my kids around when Joe Missoula's up for his press conference. It's not that.

Win or die? What if my little brother sees, he's like, I don't fucking win, I'm going to die. And you just decides to hate basketball, bro. Then tell him to get in the lab

and get some buckets. Are you dumb? He used to be better. He won't die. Yeah. I also like this one, bitch. What are you talking about?

You're going to talk to an eight-year-old like that? Yes. Because we've probably, there's probably been a ton of coaches throughout the history of the NBA who have tried to move like this, who have tried to be like, I'm a psycho, I don't care, you know, like, I've truly, it's win or it's die. Like, I want to win so bad. And most of them just flame out and we don't remember it at all. And it doesn't matter. But Missoula being the coach of this dominant Celtics team, it allows, like, it gives them a platform. to be a psychopath.

Who was that psycho that coached the bulls at one year? And they all hated him. Not Fred Hoyberg, the guy before that, that he was there for literally one year and he ran the shit like a D3 call. He was a guy or something like that. The players revolted.

He was bald. Man, I'm going to listen. You guys figure it out. I'm going to look it up right now. Yeah, but he was insane like that. He made them on suicides out there on the court. Like they were fucking at 15-year-olds. They made a whole blood war saying fire this guy.

Like what are you talking about? So we have, we have, ah, Jim Boyland. Yeah, Jim Boylan. Jim Boylan from 2018 to 2020, his career record 39 and 84. Woo! A 317 win percentage. Next up, we got Joe Missoula again. Oh my God.

Derek, Derek White in press conference said, when he won coach of the month, I said, hey, congratulations and he just looked at me and said nobody cares nobody cares this is real this is real listen i like the like the coach of the month player of the month stuff it's cool you get to you know throw some shine on people who have been playing well for a couple weeks nobody ever remembers player of the month coach of the month it does not matter this is once again just joe mazula being the realest coach in the NBA one of the realists ever do it yeah this is what I'm talking about, like, because if this was a losing team, his players would just walk away from this interaction and be like, what a dick.

Like, I just tried to congratulate him, and he was super mean about it, but since he's, since he's a winner, since all he cares about is winning. I want to hear of the week. He told me run suicides. Next up, we got Michael Jordan. He said, you're an idiot. You screwed up every place. play we've ever ran. You're too stupid

to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you. I think he was, I forget who was you talking to? Horace Grant. I love this. I love what all my heart, actually. I think this is exactly you talk to people that suck of their jobs. Damn, bro. You want to talk to your to the guy who's packaging the meat

for you, the grocery store? It's how we don't play 2K and I'm in Park and my center is selling me. He can't grab a rebound. I'm like, dumb as rocks get off the court bitch what are you doing out here as somebody who has played center with isaac in part i can confirm this oh those days were nightmarish holy fuck i remember that you got with ass the screen till the left i don't do it yeah i like i mean it's it's killer mentality that's what it is you know that's what like this kind of like soft participation trophy generation right now would understand is uh you know you kind of have to be mean in order

to be the best. And so that's why Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan. It was because of the mentality like this. I'll give it. I'll give it an eight. Okay. Do you know how many fines the NBA would, like, charge him at the end of the year? It's ridiculous.

He would run with Bill. Can you imagine if Anthony Edwards said this and where do you go bare? Everybody would clap. Oh, my God. You would clap. I'll be like, have some decorum. Where's your class? No.

We would like it. Like, it's just a symbol in place. I'm sorry. I'm quite funny. I go nine out of ten. I'm always for humor. Nine out of ten. This is objectively hilarious.

Seven out of ten. Next up comes from Kobe Bryant. He says, friends come and go, but bangers or banners hang for cover. Hell yeah. Bangers hang forever.

It's actually a banger, bro. It's a Kanye quote, actually. And so it's not, it's not about basketball. It's about me. this is such a bar bra I was like man I feel I'm levitating right now this was a banger I'll give it like a seven and a half and eight it's a classic Kobe quote you know

it's like yeah I believe he said that that is in line with everything I believe he agrees with that and I believe he probably thinks this is this is such a superstar quote for like a 32 year old once you're 45 you look back and like damn I wish I had some friends and banners I wish I wish I was sociable I don't know if anybody above the age 34 would agree with this unless you are an ultimate winner like Kobe Bryant and then you are completely okay with your decision that's what it takes to be the best takes that mentality

I'm at home I'm sad all my teammates hate me but I got jewelry on it's not for everybody I wouldn't expect you to get it it's funny to contrast it with the Michael Jordan quote because it's like Michael Jordan's was like hey on the basketball court

you're being a dumb ass and Kobe's like hey person to person I don't really like you that much I'm fine if you're out of my life forever. Yeah, it's a leap. 1-1. Truly 101, man. Next up, we got 10 out of 10.

10. I'd rather go 0 for 30 than 0 for 9 because you go 0 for 9. That means you stop shooting. That means you just lost confidence. It's, come on. Come on. This is 10 out of 10. There's no other way to put it.

I mean, this is true. You want everybody through the good times and the bad times to have as much self-confidence as possible. And that is what Deion Waiters put on paper, put on wax when he said this. He created one of the greatest meme templates of all time, too, bro. Yeah, I don't even care about the self-confidence aspect. I just, like, when a, when a, when a quote, like, actually works its way into the, like, general public, the way this one has, like, I feel like I've heard people who barely know or don't know basketball, so I'd rather go O for 30 than O for Nine in regards to, like, whatever. So, yeah, I'll give it, I'll give it. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. You won't say. Yeah. I will. Anytime some dude goes ahead and, like, shoots a girl, shoot at some girl's DM. Shoot's a girl. No, she's had to get some girls' DM.

And they miss. They just immediately well, onto the next, onto the next, onto the mix. That's how you create monsters. And so I kind of don't like this. And I kind of want to dump her from a nine to like a three. Dangerous person. You want to lower it because it set a bad precedent for young masculinity across the world. Exactly.

I'll just focus on yourself. Let's be real. The only problem is like at the park, this is like this is the worst advice you could like have is because bad like bad players will just be like, like, Well, Dion Waiters said, and it's like, you're not Deon Waders, man. None of us are. Can you just pass the ball, please? And even if it was Deon Waders, if Deon Waders was 0 for 9 in a basketball game,

people would be upset if he was still missing. Yeah. You get to 014. It's like, all right, man, this guy needs to be on the bench. Like, we're playing the 12. How do you have 30 shots? Why are you shooting this much? Next up, we all a mella ball saying, life is sweet,

but sometimes old people just don't get it. what can I say the old's don't get it they don't get it they don't understand they don't understand you ever talk to a 35 year old they don't get it

about 35 the lie he said I don't got long fuck oh my god I'm running out of time he talked to a 55 year old they definitely don't get it I mean they're cooked

it's done then like you've done it's it's such a it's a very lamello ball it's a very like star player on a bad team kind of quote or it's like yeah i know everything okay i think i know i think i know enough that like i don't really need your advice pal i'm literally leading the league in all-star boating and so i'll give it a seven i like it homey in his old world i like this type of delusion i give like i love delusion that's exactly how you should phrase it delusion's hilarious this type of delusion though. It's just like, you just want to understand.

Next quote comes from Devin Booker. This happened when they initially traded for Bradley Beale and competed the big three. He said, I'm saying it respectfully, I don't know how teams are going to guard us. That's tough. That's tough. It's sad because it's just like, it's like someone getting on the Titanic and being like, what are we going to hit an iceberg? Like, what's wrong? So, like, in retrospect, it's like, damn, they're going to guard you like that, and it's not going to go that well. So I'm going to work on a random day.

Is it my eye, aye, aye, aye, aye, I. What is wrong with you? What is your problem? What is your problem, man? What is your problem? No. Come to the next segment, man. What's your problem?

This is a zero out of ten age. Like fucking yogurt, bro. There's just so many other examples that you could have did. I can't fucking be. Okay. Next. This is a zero out of ten. God damn.

We got James. Aaron Brown's saying, I think this was when he was talking to Taylor Rooks possibly. I'll have six rings by the age of 28. Mark my words. I hope you'll be alive to witness that. How old damn around? Listen, man, this is, well, first of all, he has like one ring. And so I get it, right?

I'm giving it a 10 out of 10 because like the other quotes, it's real, right? I understand delusion, right? I get it. So it's like sometimes you just have to try and speak. feed things into his existence to try to get into, you know, a certain situation that you want to. And sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes it falls flat on your face. I can't even blame him. He was in a setting in an environment that brings delusion out of every NBA player that sits in that chair. He's just a symptom of a wider cause. I always said some more nonsensical

shit of fouls him. I said, I'm going to I'm going in 12 in three years. I remember a tweet someone who said he got about six months left him with five rings. You better yeah this literally established like the precedent of like people saying insane shit to taylor rucks i'm pretty sure like this was by far the biggest example i'll give it like a three because i it's tough i'm fine with manifesting but it's tough it's tough to give all of your haters like a very clear point to be like ha come back to this in six years or whatever and you'll see and then it's six years later and it's like damn i haven't done shit well they want to ring so you know whatever He's up in the in the in the overall picture and it could have been three it could have been very yeah it could have been very easy right he could have just said like oh you know what I have six rings by the age of 28 and just like said that it's the mark my words and I hope you'll be alive to witness it like okay you're going a little too far here you're doing a little relax relax jalen mark my words you're telling people that they're going to rue the day relax jalen calm down mark my words on Isaac

soul I'll have six rings by the end of this. Calm down. And if I don't come kill me right now I'm with Isaac right here. He wearing a red hoodie white hat. He's right here. Like Kevin Gates.

May God I kill both my kids if I don't have six rings. Strike them down. Now. May God strike him down. It's like, yo, you didn't have to go that far. You weren't that serious.

All right, man. last thing we're going to do we're asking if you were going to drop an album you'll be putting your kids on a lot it's great that's what i never do last we're going to do we're going to play keep four cut four again this is essentially i'm asked you guys to blind rank these eight players but in two groups the first four are players you keep the last four players you cut so you can blind rank them put them you know in the numbers but what really matters is which of the two groups they fall into okay so one by one you have to you know hoped I don't pick somebody better first name these are all going to be point

guard by the way I got a theme for you today oh okay first player Cade Cunningham um this is hard Cade like I'm gonna five first cut he might be the first cut I don't know I don't know I don't know this is hard played well he's like commenting a rip you in half he's listen he's played well he's just about to make his first also team like but I'm I know we're all happy for Cade but like we can relax really so you think you think there's gonna be four more all-stars on here maybe yes okay okay hey you guys know is it better than i do so i'll trust i'll trust well i don't i don't i don't know though because i listen i i think is a noted game player uh he he does

love shenanigans so i don't know what he let's keep kade there has to be a shitter on here i don't know how many that's what i'm saying let's keep kate at like four yeah let's keep kate Are you keeping Cade? Yeah, we're keeping Cade. I'm a church y'all. Baudman's been outvoted. Okay. Number two, Steph Curry.

Keep. It's got to be keep. One. Like. Yeah, we have to keep him. Yeah, we got to keep him. Yeah, we got to keep him. Is he one, though?

I don't know if he's one. Yeah. He's just one of the guys. Okay, either way you're keeping him. That's cool. Yeah. I'm cool with him at like two. Let's put, I feel like we should leave the top spot.

Like, I feel like there will be. someone crazy on here. I'm praying. Tony Parker. Cut. Fuck up out of here. Damn, that was quick. You kept Cade or you're cutting Tony?

God damn. Someone got to be cut, bro. But I have to, if we would have cut Cade, then I would have kept Tony, but there's only a little space, bro. Yeah, yeah. That's on us. That's on us. Yeah, like where we are right now in the list, I feel like we have to keep the spots

open. So I'm cool with Tony. Tony at like five All right, we'll do that We'll put Tony at five La Mello ball Six Yeah

We are not We are not putting in La Mello ball over Kate Cunningham And Tony Parker Yeah, I can't do Okay, yeah, cut Lamello whatever Cullamillo, okay I got a name too

Okay Lanzo ball Oh my God We have to go seven Yeah I'm getting very fearful That these things Have you put anybody in eight yet?

No, no. I feel like we should go eight. Okay, yeah. We'll go eight. Okay. So now you got one, three, and seven left. How are you guys feeling? You feeling good about this before?

Yeah. I'm feeling solid. We could bring it home. Go terrible. Cutting Parker's a little tough, but you can live. You can recover. Damn it. Jamal Murray.

Oh my God. You only have three spots left. Do you want to? Yo. That's so tough. Because I do, like, not even like emotional Nuggets fan here. I do feel like there's got to be somebody. worse in the last two like i feel like he's going to ship post us with one of them but i know i fumble

this there's no justification for jamaal over like all the people on this list i fumbled this so bad y'all tony parker you know what jammal's champion let's just put him at three what three we have to keep seven open if if there's going to be if if you think that there's going to be somebody worse than jama then we should seven open. I think that's the question. I think Jamal's probably going to be the worst they we're going to get. Okay. Jamal at seven.

Everybody's in the, everybody's getting kept now. So. Mm-hmm. Next up, we got Steve Nash. Oh, I'm cool with two, two. Yeah, I'm cool with Nash, too. Okay, I thought Curry was it two. You want Curry at one?

Oh, do we have three? Oh, yeah. So Korea was in two. We have one and three. Okay. Now you have number three left. The last one here. Last player on this list is Shelvin Mack.

Oh, cool. Congratulations. You got us. Wow. Wow. Oh, man. Now, Shelvin Mack or Jamal Murray? Who's to say?

Shelvin Mack led the magic in assists in 2018 with 3.9 per game. That is true. Oh, my God. That's a fact. Yeah. Shout out to Mac Has Jamal Murray ever let his team an assist? I don't think so.

I don't think so. And yeah, I don't think we need any context for that. I think it's true straight up. That's why Mac is better, you know? Wow. And that's the end of the episode. If we're still here,

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thanks for playing games and I'm looking forward to doing this new show with Isaac it'll be super fun it'll be just like this maybe 5% better and more fun and more entertainment