The Deep 3 Podcast - 10 NBA Players That Proved Everyone Wrong This Year | Ep. 64

Episode Date: November 24, 2023

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So last week we did power rankings for every team, which you know, meant we spent a lot of time going team by team, giving our opinions on all of them. This time we're going to change it up and talk about players specifically, since I feel like we covered every team and not a whole lot of change in the last week. So we're going to mix it up, like I said, and talk about players, specifically ones that have proved everybody wrong. That means proved us wrong, the national media consensus, NBA Twitter, all that. And I can also mean prove wrong in a good way or a bad way because it's been worse than expected. there's going to be flowers given in this podcast and also there's of course naturally going to be hating as well

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The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters, rejoice. So I think the way we'll do this is let's just go one by one, giving one player to talk about that we think has proved people wrong. Donovan, you want to go first? Yeah.

All right, so look, last week, Isaac gave his apologies to the Minnesota Tim Wolves. He told everybody that he was wrong and he apologized. Yep. You didn't. I didn't. And I'm not going to talk about them, but I am going to tell somebody I'm sorry. That is Bamata Bio in the Miami here. Oh.

Because I, listen, I gave up on them, right? I was saying everything that I said. I thought they were going to be a bottom 10 offense, which they low-key are very close to, but I thought they were going to be in the gutter and be like a very subpart team because I didn't think that Bamatabio had any more growth, like substantial growth left in him.

Well, was I wrong? Because Bamatabio has taken yet another leap offensively this year. He's been fantastic. He's been kind of like, like his shot selection has been around the same. He's taking a couple, like, his three-point shot still isn't there. He's not spacing the floor in that way. But he's shooting a much higher percent at the rim.

He's finishing. He's being much more of a hub for their offense. And when I thought that they were going to be a legitimately bad offense is because I didn't think that he would be able to, you know, be a connector in some sort for them. He's doing that. And he's a very big part of why they're, you know, able to maintain right now. And so they're the 18th ranked offense right now.

I think without him and without a lot of the things that he's doing, they probably are like a bottom seven offense. He's been he's been fantastic. For sure. Yeah. It's interesting you bring him up because he's not a player that's ever been like, you know, slandered or severely doubted.

He is in the playoffs, I think. I think in the playoffs he has. Yeah, but it's interesting that like the reason he's proof of a wrong is just by hitting that next level that we all thought he kind of just plateaued offensively. Yeah.

So that's a good way to bring it up because the way I viewed most of these names are people that were either. slander to death or hype to death and have been trashed. So I like the, I like the recognition of incremental leaps and make a big difference. Because like you said, he was always a really good player, but people were like, do a little more creation, bring a little more scoring punch and also bring the team to the next level. And he's definitely done that. Like you said, he's up to 77% at the rim. Last year, it was 68%. And he's compounded that by having way less of his shots assisted, which I think is like a formula for someone who's taking a start leap as a score,

being able to create more shots for yourself and get to the room and score more efficiently that's a really hard thing to do at once. Yeah. And I think like when you look at the room scoring, I think a big part of the reason why everybody kind of thought that he was going to plateau or why everyone kind of was just like,

all right, like, Bam is who he is, is because of the room scoring from last year. But now if you look at it, his room scoring is kind of where it's been for three of the last four years, right? Like before his last year, before last season, he was in the 70s scoring at the rim. And so He was very efficient, but you've seen his shot attempts grow every single year.

You've seen him be more aggressive. Like you said, now those shots are coming more based off of him and not just somebody setting him up, which is exactly what Miami needs. If they're not going to have a primary, you know, ball handler, primary perimeter score, like a Dame, like a Bradley Beal, Zach would be in that type of guy. And so, yeah, I think I think he's been great. He's still doing everything defensively for them. He's still fantastic on that side of the ball.

So I think in terms of Miami being a legitimate player in the Eastern Conference, Bam being good on offense in this way makes them a contender in a way that's not like, oh, we're powered by the power of friendship. Like we actually have things that we can lean on to drive us forward, you know? Yeah. And I feel like it's interesting is he's done that. And so I think the thing you pointed out was two years ago. He was really good finishing at the rim last year, not so much.

And I think that's because two years ago and before that He really functioned primarily as a role man He was, you know, offensively more of a role player Pick and roll, finish It's a great lop there, he's a great verticality there And in the past couple years, he's kind of leveled up He's done a little more at the ball in his hands To mixed results before this year

And this year you're seeing him be like a big hub Out of the High Post He's doubled his long mid-range attempts this year And you shoot him like 44% on them Which is, you know, pretty good And you combine that with having that long mid-range shot Plus being able to attack off the dribble like I said be self-created shots at the rim and that's just like it's what everybody's wanted right

it's like yeah people have wanted him to play like anthony davis on offense and you're starting to see some more of that for sure and all that is on the offensive end that we're talking about we didn't even touch on the side that he's best on the court which is the defensive and i think i saw some rames that on twitter that said don't call me on this i could be very wrong but i think i saw some that said uh never good place to start players in the iso whenever whenever he's guarding the iso he i think players have like a 15 or 20 percent 15 to 20 percent field go percentage that's absolutely insane and so to see him taken i i know i know exactly what tweet most was talking about i forget who tweeted it but i know i know what would you talking about yeah

he's been he's been insane in terms of you know affecting shots and and contesting shots and making sure that you know people just aren't scoring and being the anchor for for the heat's defense and so yeah because right now they have they have the ninth best defense in the league right now in terms of defensive rating like that aspect of them of their scheme is still very much alive and so I guess that that's the one thing that I just could not bring myself this off season to I just thought that they were just going to be so in the mud like I thought that they were going to be rafters offensively you know and no yeah and so yeah it's too good for that they've been some they've been good man another reason why they've been so good this season so far

is that when it comes to like surprises of course like bam out of bio i think he is he deserves this title but i think there's someone else who deserves to be in this conversation for the miami heat is duncan robinson like he's kind of evolved his game quite a bit he's no longer just all my shots are coming from the three point line no matter if someone's in my face or not i'm getting that bitch off and 43% of the time it's going in still does that of course that's his overall identity, but he's evolved his game. And I think that's dating back to the playoffs last year, he started attacking the rim a lot more and putting people.

Isn't that weird? I don't want to say on skates, but like he's showing a little back to him. He's kind of being fundamental on that. So it's like being the Jimmy Neutron allegations. Yeah. The Jimmy Neutron allegations. He looks like,

he's not. The Jimmy Neutral allegations are because of how he looks. And that is nobody ever said that's because of his back. He's still raising those. it's interesting that he made that leap in the playoffs and then it stuck like that's it's weird that you see an improvement happen in that type of pattern where you get to the point where things break down you need players to do more and a role player like finds new wings a new level of play and hold that over the next season it's kind of like if people want it happen with jemal murray every year where he goes is his crazy playoff riser and they're like oh maybe next season i average 28 for the whole year but like he doesn't because most players just don't operate that way yeah and duncan robinson does i guess right now 25% of his shots to coming at the rim, last year that was 7%. That's an insane leap.

He literally just changed his entire style of play. Wow. Yeah, and like, and like you said, it's, you should have used the words putting people on skates as a joke, but like, there is some, like, you're joking, but like when you have that type

of three point gravity and people only respect it to the line, they're not going to leave them open, they're going to chase them off screens. It's really easy to attack those closeouts and get to the rim when you have that type of gravity. It's J.J. Redick-esque.

And I think it's an essential improvement he had to make. because he was falling out of the rotation for a couple seasons. Yeah, exactly. And I think he started to realize, he started to realize, like, yo, I got to do something other than just simply let this bitch fly in order to maintain my job over here. Now, we got his bag. It is what it is, like whatever.

But in order for him to continue to have this longevity and be valued sought after role player, this is an element that he needed to add. And if I'm not the Miami heat, bro, we have two white guys who play super, not super similar, but they bring a lot of the same things on the NBA court. And so this is me, this is me looking at someone like Duncan Robinson and I might just view Tireo even more expendable because of what he's done.

I'm not going to, I'm not going to connect those two as in like, Dunkin me that don't need Tyler. But I think your point of like having the two white boys together, that's a level of punch they needed, especially after losing Max Drews and Gabe Vincent. So like, Duncan has to be. this guy, and I think he has been. That's why, like, a lot of us predicted they'd be

playing level or something like they were last year, especially after losing those debt pieces. Yeah. But he's reproducing that, uh, you know, production that Max Drew's left behind just fine. With Todd the Hero injured too. And Jimmy Butler just like disappearing every night. Yeah. We knew this. We knew this from Jimmy's also the same way as like Jamal Murray where his playoff rising is so crazy. And everyone's like, oh my gosh, is he one of like the seven best players on the planet and it's like there's also seven months of basketball that we have to pay attention to and he just isn't that guy for you know from october to april so like let's pay attention to that but if jimmy is out here even at like

a you know a passable level which obviously he is if jimmy's at that level bam is taking another leap Duncan is taking another leap they i still do think that they are like a piece of way to like truly, truly compete with like Denver and Boston and Milwaukee and stuff like that. But they are in a very good position where if Pat Riley finally makes the move that everybody's been asking them to make for the last five years, they're cooking. And it's going to look different on paper because they're not going to have like the crazy star power as everyone else. But as we've seen, their infrastructure allows for these players to develop every single year.

So yeah, there's a, there's a lot of guys. And if we did this podcast in, what, two, three months, there's probably going to be another guy on Miami that we're like, hey, they're taking another leap too because this is just what they do. Hey, I know his name to already. Bucket. Heywood Highsmith. Bro, he has been fantastic defensively in him, his defensive pairing alongside Bam,

with the rotations, the versatility that he has. And also the little bit of stuff that he can do offensively, which is a little bit of stuff as not being a complete negative or nothing from the three point line is great and that adds a lot of value along with the grit and all that nitty gritty stuff that the main heat are known for you know so yeah yeah i think we we mentioned the power of friendship a lot and i just think that all this we're talking about proves the theory that at some point pat riley made a deal with the devil and traded in his soul for eternal basketball success they were seemingly the most down bad they've been in recent years

Missed Allen Damien Lillard lost two guard debt pieces. People wondering where is this scoring punching to come from and Duncan Robinson learns how to score at the rim is always going to be something and this team will never be bad. They'll always be respectable. They'll find a way to get out of the mud even in ways that you think are not possible like

Duncan Robinson tripling his rim volume it's always going to work and I'm never going to doubt them. My bad pat. My bad. The day that BAM starts pulling threes, that's when the CIA needs to start getting involved. Because there's a serious witchcraft going on over there in Miami. That's man, it's Dr. Strange.

Yeah. I don't believe it. You should make people find religion in Pat Riley. Thanks. Which, yeah. The next thing I want to talk about my first name. I want to talk about lamello ball. Okay.

That's most guy. It's also my guy. And I, the other day, it was funny because they won a game a couple nights ago. I'm kind of blinking out who they played. Oh, they played the Celtics. They won the game on a Miles Ridges game winning three. I tweeted. I was like fucking yuck.

I can't imagine losing to the biggest douchebag in the NBA. And there was a pissed off Lamello fan in my comments in my replies on Twitter that was like, you find any reason not to talk about Lamello. And I was like, little do you know. He's the main player I want to talk about the next episode because I love Lamello Ball. And at some point, I guess we got labeled a Lavelo Ball hate podcast, but we like him a lot. No, that was Donovan. That was only because of him.

Oh, yeah, facts. And it wasn't even... Before you get into it, let me clear this up real quick, because it wasn't even, hey, all I had was questions. That's all I had, right? Everybody was very quick to label Lamello, this and that, to say he was this, he was that. And all I said was, can we see him perform in games with stakes?

That's all I wanted to know. And that was my question. It's not, hey, I love Lamello. Again, big ball of brand. Listen, I've been big ball of brand. For a long time. He got the Z-O-2s in his closet right now. Put him hose out.

Never mind. Don't do it. No, no, no. I had a beanie, though. I didn't have a beanie. You did. I remember it. But I say I bring him up because he missed last year.

He played 36 games. In the games he did play, didn't quite look like himself. The team was horrible. It was worse than it was year before that. Supporting cast was trash. He was coming back from injury and just had an off year overall, mixed with the fact that he missed a lot of games. And it was just out of the zeitgeist that most people was basketball

minds. So because of that, I think the narrative quickly shifted on him and people were like, oh, is he even good? I haven't thought about him in so long. He must be whack. He must be a good stats, bad team guy. He must not be a winner. And just weirdly, he became overlooked when people talked about the hierarchy of young players when just the year before that, he was a 20 year making the all-star game in a second year looking like, you know, a future superstar. And it's like people just forgot. And then this year came around. First five games the season, it was looking a bit shaky. We were like, oh my God, it was last year to Lamello just like, that's, that's who he is now. But man, this motherfucker is back. He is incredible. And he's proven all the doubt

is wrong and showing that he's one of the most promising players in the league. Yeah. The NBA is such an interesting week, specifically like the community and the fans because we have so much talent coming in and there's so many random players, not random players, who go off and that blinds us. And this is such a, what have you done for me lately league? And Ramella has done nothing lately. Like last year, obviously. He's done. He's done. He's done nothing last other than take fire ass

Instagram pictures and drop fire shoes like that's it you know what I'm saying they're hard I'm a fan what can I say listen

what can I say man what can I say but yeah so last year when this guy is like Deere Fox go off Tyrese Hallburn going crazy

we still have Luca Donch you know what I'm saying John Moran before he decided to lose all his brain cells like there were so many players who were

on the scene as point guards and so many players also stole the light Jalen Bruns is another name too so unnecessary but yeah so to see him to see Lamello restore his

for the audio list and just put it out a gun as if he was doing a dance the fuck okay point is Lamello Ball is literally him oh my gosh bro

I think I remember when we were talking about Lomelo early last year and when Donovan was talking about his concerns about him the main thing that Mo brought up is Donovan was like low key might be a playoff choker we'll see two playing games, he's played bad and he's posing the question and I think the biggest concern

you had is like he wasn't a rim threat at all that was clear these biggest weakness he was kind of on Fred Van Fleet time despite being six foot seven. Which is just about to get into it yeah which is weird but this year it's like he's completely altered that and realized he has a size he's matured in his body whatever it is

improved technique, whatever it may be, and he's been a legitimately really good rim score. He's 90th percentile in rim volume for guards, and he shoots 56% there, which is a career high in efficiency. That's been the biggest chance in his game. So much more than he was in previous years. Yeah.

I think a play that really helped me realize this also. I was just going to bring out the same point, I see that he's been using his body angrily, perfectly, whenever he's driving, and he's not honestly looking to just get a call anymore. You know, he's going to the room with pure and, attention and that intention is to get a bucket. They just faced the Washington Wizards and they won

he had a good game or whatever and I think a play that sums up or that gave me the confirmation or whatever. Yeah. He even saw him literally, I saw this man in the middle of going to the chest of Washington Wizards rookie, Belakulah. Yes,

he's a rookie, but this rookie is not a normal defensive rookie. He's pretty good. So he bought him to the 10 year old. that teenager had no chance he went into that man's chest bro and he put up a contested layup and I saw them do that

repeatedly that was not the only first time but that was the most recent time and just seeing how we did that going into someone's chest while still pulling up a shot is impressive and that has honestly been what's been transcending

and making his game so much more consistent yeah I think being a rim score A lot of people, how do I phrase this? People underestimate the importance of rim scoring from guards when it comes to being like a high level score.

Like you look at somebody like Darius Garland a few years ago before Donovan Metro got there. Or this is a better example. Luca Donchich, people focus on the fact that he's an incredible stepback three can post up, do all this stuff. But what makes him a high, high level score is he shoots like 77% the rim every year, which is like LeBron Jane's numbers.

Yeah. That's like the core of being a good score. Without being a good rim score, it's almost impossible to average like 25 plus on good efficiency. You even look at like Seth Curry, incredible at the rim despite his three-point shot being the thing that makes him his money. And this year, as we're talking about the rim scoring coming around,

lamello ball is scoring 25 points per game on 57% true shooting, which is just above league average. So it's something to say it's no coincidence that once he finally adds that cornerstone scoring arsenal that he's able to truly be like a great score. Yeah, scoring at the room is the easiest bucket to get And also, while it is an easy book to get, you open up an entire, no, so you open up so many different avenues to score the ball, whether you're dishing it or whether you go ahead and get a foul, you know what I'm saying? And this year, too, surprise, surprise, now that you've been driving at the rim a lot more, this is also a career high and free throw turns per game, just shy under five, which is makes a difference, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And his highest in career, an assist just by a little bit, but he's dishing out like he better than he ever has because, listen, when you're a bigger, threat to score you're a bigger threat to use your absolutely elite passability that people forget that he's legitimately one the best passers in the league yeah yeah man no he's he's like he's like that there's so there's been so many games this year where he's just had to take over in the fourth quarter for charlotte to be you know in the game and like last year i think like half of his shots were from three last year and you saw a lot of you saw him settling a lot and you guys obviously like just have this felt like it's 51% it's crazy yeah his the the

the purpose that he has driving to the basket has been has been great he's also had a career year from from the from the three point line he's shooting nearly 40% from downtown like everything everything's falling for him and so if lamello if if lemelo has all three phases and he's able to affect the offense from the three point line from the room and create everything like charlotte's been bad this year they have they still do have the potential to make a playoff push and to make like a playing push because Lamello's doing all these things and like for sure if he's not if he's not chugging which we we've seen a couple like I've seen the tendency from him before you know when he hasn't just put his head down and and you know driven to the rim he can get

into that mo where you know mo called the Julian Newman basketball where he can he can dribble a lot yeah he can dribble a lot and just just you know chug up a three If he's being much more intentional on what threes he's taking, where he's taking them, and make those at a high clip, like this Charlotte offense has a much higher season. Yeah. I predicted in our preseason predictions episode that they be the nine seed. And a lot of comments were like, the fuck are you on?

The hornets suck. They were terrible last year. And I think a lot of that is because people, you know, he was out for most of the year. So they were, in fact, terrible. They got the number two pick for a reason. But I think two years ago, whenever he made that all-star game I mentioned earlier,

they were the 9th seed, like I predicted this year, with largely the same cast. Gordon Hayward was a little bit younger, but same cast, and a big part of that is they're discussing Power 4 coming back, Miles Bridges. He's back. They started really slow in the 10 games he was suspended,

and it got them down off to like a 3 and 7 start, which is a tough, you know, hole to dig out of. But now they're 5 and 9. They won the two games since he came back off of really great performance from him. And the 9th seed only is 6 and 7, so very much within grass for them to turn it around and be that team that we know they can be

when they're healthy yeah no they got it look lamello's he's doing his thing he's doing his thing and everybody i in a day and age where like if he has one bad game those AI memes are going to be fired up like it's it's very easy to forget just how impactful he can be and so I'm very would y'all rank him like and yeah where are we ranking him in terms of like point guards in the east I just I just want to focus on that like who would you a hundred percent take over right now let's turn us into a TikTok yeah ask questions about it let's turn us into a TikTok let me put this iPad down yeah which NBA poor guard would you rather have lamello ball or Janele Brunton oh that's tough long term on the mellow ball If I need a playoff series today, I'd probably still lean Jaylon Brunson. But I think maybe by the end of the season, maybe by the end of the next season, La Mello Ball is eventually going to pass him up. I think right now I would still take Janem Brunson.

Yeah. In a half-port setting, the playoffs, that scoring difference is noticeable. Okay. What about LaMillo Ball or Tyrese Halliburton? Come on, Tyree Talbert. We got to take you, listen, Tyre's been crazy the other night. Crazy. So, yeah, I'm taking Tyreys.

Lamello's been great because he's a fantastic officer. the dribble shooter. He can get to the rim now. One of the best passers in the league. Tyree Taliburn's better at every single one of those things. Lamello ball or Trey Young. Tough. I don't even want to say that. I ain't set myself off. I'm taking Lamello. I think I'm taking Lamello.

Nah. It's still Trey Young. He's listen, he's been shooting terribly. I have to hope eventually he's going to come back to a little bit of normal. But Trey Young's probably a better playmaker. He's a better ceiling as a score. Defensively neither one are moving the needle. I think Trey Young deserves the credit still.

We've talked in previous episodes how Trey Young may, like he has the label is this like great shooter, but the number show that he's not necessarily the great shooter. And I'm just saying, I don't know. I'm just saying right now, right now. If Lamello is shooting close to 40% from three

and Trey's not doing that, I don't think that it's crazy to take him over Trey. It's not crazy. I'll say this. I'll say this. Lamello has easily been better this season. For sure. I'm going to give Trey a little bit of time

to bounce back. But this year so far, Lamello's cleared him. there's only so much time you can get away with playing like Julian Newman man All last year Dickin Yeah bro

On God, bro You're on God watch To the Creator League That's crazy All right last one Lamello ball or Darius Garland Uh I lean the mellow ball

But I also feel like I'm being biased By the fact that Darius Garland can't cook as much with Donovan Mitchell there. So maybe Darius is just as good, but Lamello is more opportunity, so he's going to press more. I'm taking Lamello. Yeah, it's been, it's been a while.

And again, it's not his fault, but it's been a while since we've seen Darius Garland do the things that we're seeing Lamello do. So I'll give Lamello the credit right now. Yeah, if Lamello's going to be this good of a score for the whole season, I think there's really nothing you can say Garland is better at this moment. Yeah, exactly.

I think it's a scoring difference for me and just how many ways Lamello is scoring. right now, you know, so. Yeah. You have been, yeah. No, that's a good list of names. Listen, he's, there's a lot of young promising point guards, so it's hard to rank them, but they're also good.

Listen, the next two months, the next two months is going to swing a lot based on his perception, and especially if Trey Young keeps shit in the bed. We'll see if Halliburton keep up this ridiculous level of play. Do we need to talk about Halliburton? Is he some of those proof of people wrong, or if people don't know. Okay. There we go. He's on my list. I don't think so. Let's, let's get into it. The mellow ball didn't necessarily, yeah,

the me necessarily proved me wrong. I said LaMille Ball, my bad. Tyrese Hallburn didn't prove me wrong at all. Already, like, you know what I'm saying? Assume that the Pacers are going to be a top six seed in the Eastern Conference. And I'm pretty sure all of us are pretty much on par with that because of how well built their roster was. They have so many good guards.

They have good Bigs. And Isaiah Jackson, of course, Miles Turner. They got a lottery pick who seemed to not get any burn really this season whatsoever, but he's a good player as well they just have so much going on bruce brown too and this combination of players who do not make mistakes who aren't selfish and can get buckets off in a variety of ways have created this offensive bomb explosion um and i think having tyrese maxi be the commander of that shows a lot speaks yeah my bad tyrese maxi or I said it again. Tyrese Halliborne.

He loves Maxie. But Tyrese albairn being the commander that averaging 25 and 12 and shooting like 8-3s a game on 40-something percent from the three-point line. I think it's like 45. He is a maniac. And yesterday watching him dub my Atlanta Hawks in the third quarter specifically made me crown him the new era point God. This is what you envisioned your typical, your perfect point guard looking like in today's B.A. And it's Tyrese. It's incredible. Halliburton. So do you think

he's proved people wrong? You know, that's the point of bringing these players up? Do you think he was doubted that he'd reach the ceiling? What do you think? Where is the angle with this one? I think when it comes to his shot-making ability, difficult shot-making ability specifically, he's proved people, hell of people wrong. Dating back to the last shot, I was one of those people who was skeptical about his ceiling. And I knew

what type of player he was, but seeing him hit back threes from dumb deep. These are not regular threes. You know what I'm saying? That right there is something that I did not know

he had in his bag. And this range that he's been showing puts him in a different tier, a different breath, a different air of NBA players

if he continues to do this. Yeah. It was crazy too. What's that? He's shooting significantly worse to the rim right now than he hasn't every other year of his career.

So that's going to recover. So like we're not even seeing the most efficient version of him that we're going to see the season. Which is ridiculous. I think what happened, I'm with,

Mo, like I think I think Halliburton has proved people wrong because I think what happened to Lamello is also the same thing that happened with Halliburton because like when when he was playing last year at the start of the season, the patients were a top four seed and then he goes out for a period of time and the patients kind of fall off and they're not, you know, they're not like in the playing mix like that. And so now that he's back, like I think everybody kind of forgot and we're here at the start of the season and he's like, hey, don't forget what I was doing. Like, don't forget that I was leading this team to a top four seat. Don't forget that I can put everybody in position to be better.

And the, and the patients who have, you know, best offense in the league just running and gunning everybody. It's because Tyrese is, like, like, most said, you got to give him the crown right now. He's the new age point God. Like, it's crazy how much, how much you can control the game, 12 assists per game, 67% true shooting. I think that's the same thing that Yannis has that's ridiculous all with one of the

ugliest jumpers in the NBA like how is he cooking one of the ugliest jumpers seen bro that shit goes in it doesn't even matter like the wonkish mechanics he's just six five biracial Steve Nash

like he's incredible he's the reincarnation a lot of people said that about Trey Young a couple years ago they were like that's just because he's small Steve Nash yeah and he's just

Fizzled out a little bit and this is truly what Steve Datch looked like in today's game he was way bigger more athletic bigger higher defensive ceiling and just as good at everything else well let me calm down maybe not just as good as good but same style of play and like listen I don't know what his ceiling is anymore I truly don't can he be a top 10 player in the league at this rate he can most definitely be a top 10 player in the league being out I got who's a 10 best player can be as good as Devin Booker is right now 100% yeah that's so hard to say but he can definitely be a good and i he's not right now i hate that i hate the like different book is the standard because i we've definitely like disrespected

the sons a lot on the spot over the last year and i feel like we have we had like a whole we went several months being like oh the sons are winning don't care like we don't care but you did not me i don't lie i said i listen i'm going another way i said when the playoffs started i think they might win the finals yeah easily so i was just wrong. I went the other way. I was too hot on them. Oh, no, no, no, no. It was both of us saying that we don't care about the suns. Oh yeah, yeah, pre-KD trade. I didn't care. But once they got KD, I went the other way. I was like, they might be unstoppable. I've got the KD. I drink the Kool-Lay a little too much with them when they got KD. Tirese or

Aunt right now? Oof. Okay, what's the question? Who's better right now? Who would I rather have going forward? Who's better right now? Tyrese. A lot of people hate to hear that. I don't know there. Okay. Okay. I'll frame it like this. I frame it like this.

Yes, there is. Playoff, listen, playoff start tomorrow. Who do you need? Who do you take? It's a little different because style of styles of play. People are so biased towards the one-on-one. I can make a bucket, create it. Like that old Kobe aesthetic, like people will very quickly want to choose that style of

play, even if all things are equal, that I think it has gone better. year, but the amount to which he's gotten better is a little bit exaggerated because that style of play is so tantalizing. That Celtics game is going to stick in everybody's mind for the rest of the season. He doesn't, and it doesn't have to do anything crazy for the rest of the year because everyone's going to be like, he locked, he locked him, he went toe to toe, he scored 12th round and like, I think it's great. And he can do that. It's important. No, yeah, but at the same time, Tyrese also has shown the ability to score on the perimeter, create shots for himself in late game situations plenty of times and so I think that like that aspect of his game is underrated so I

I think like I don't know it's it's really hard for me I think I would take Tyrese's I think Tyrese is a better advantage than Anthony Edwards is defensive playmaking yeah I don't know why I asked the question I don't even have the answer to it yeah no I don't know I There is no right answer for this question. You can talk me into Tyrese Halliburton because I am a playmaking type of guy. I'm a slut for you can give me 20 and 10. Most likely I'm leaning towards you. But at the same time, seeing what Anthony Edwards is doing on Minnesota Timberwell,

of course the defense is there and that's like a huge advantage at his point. But seeing what he's doing, looking into the context, his team's not still obviously we agree. Even though they're playing better, they're not constructed to play towards his strengths. And to see him still, you know what I'm saying? score more points. I'm not sure how his efficiency is looking so far this season

but it's not bad whatsoever. So that's something that I have to add into this conversation as well. But if we're taking out the context... His efficiency is pretty much the same as it was in previous years, 56% true shooting. Same as last year, same as year before that. Yeah, exactly.

So I... Which honestly is just kind of just average. Looking too hating. I mean, I'm just saying like it's... Tyrese is 67%. That's one of the best true shooting percentages among any star in the league. He's hot as out right now.

It's a massive golf and efficiency. Massive. I know. I think I really can't say anything until I see Tyrese Halliburn in the NBA playoffs. And once I see him go through a series and if he flops, okay, we obviously what the answer might be. But if he, if this, I don't think this is still going to hold well him shooting 67%, 67%. Like that's just not good.

That just doesn't feel real, you know, so that, I have to hold off on those conversations. I mean, are you going to regresses? you get a few regresses. 62% is still elite, elite, so like, I don't know. Yeah. Wait, but, well, are you telling me that you're not moved by his in-season tournament performances? Are you telling me that the state's not, I just said,

I saw him, I saw him dig down my Atlanta Hawks over here in Atlanta. I saw him strip the point God tied away from Trey Young. We got eviscerated. They put Dejante Murray on that boy. He is great on the ball defender, bro. They didn't fucking matter, okay? I'm irritated.

I was irate. I'm so jealous that the two. I saw him Wincapella spine out of his body, fatality. Like, it got so bad to the point to where as soon as Tyrese Halliburton touched the ball, we had to send doubles at him in order to throw their entire offense off, bro. And, of course, it still didn't matter at the end of the day, even though Tyrese Halliburton didn't perform greatly in the fourth quarter. But still, you know, like, he's like that. He moves me.

He moves me. That's why I put him on this list He deserves all the flowers in the world Right now he's playing like a top I don't know four point guard That's so tough There's Luca Steph there's Dame of course

Then there's Shea Oh my god he may be five He's even better than Dame this year Yeah Dame has been mad this year so But we know he's gonna bounce back so Do we? Safe to say he's top five For sure does he bounce back to 25 points for gain

12 assists and 67% true shooting I don't know Tyrese is incredible this is one of the next player Tyrese is amazing the next player I want to talk about listen the past few weeks

I've made a concert effort to not talk too much about the Lakers I can easily overtake it with too much Lakers talk and we can end up being a Lakers which is never the goal today we are talking about

the motherfucking Lakers more specifically we are talking about LeBron James who Get your note off It's weird to say It's weird to say

that he's proven people wrong It's strange to say that he's proven people wrong because he's arguably the greatest player of all time second greatest whatever you want to whatever stance you have on that but the most respected player for generation

nobody you know writes them off but to some extent people were kind of accepted that he'd enter the twilight of his career after the playoffs last year we played with an injured foot people were like oh he just doesn't have that juice anymore not the same player this season started the first couple of games came out looking slow he was on that fake ass

restrictions for two games he was like I want to keep the 28 minutes he was clearly making a certain effort to not do too much conserve energy so that kind of you know enabled the old man allegations to continue since then the minister restriction

magically disappeared game three of the season when they need to win he has been on a fake as hell he has been on a fucking tear literally having the most efficient year of his career to this point the most efficient scoring season of his career at age 38 still

playing like easily a top 10 player a lot of people that are filled in need to be pessimistic have been like oh maybe it's a top 15 20 guy. He has been easily top 10 this year and is legitimately playing in an MVP level, which I think that means he's proving people wrong because he doesn't look washed by any means, I don't think.

You tell me my hot take of him being MVP might be a lie? Listen, he's not. That's not happening. It would take a lot to get there. If the Lakers are like the one seat, it'd be possible, I suppose. But he's, let's say that did happen. He's playing at a level good enough

production-wise that he could be in those conversations. Which I don't think a lot of people, thought he would do this season. Can you rattle off the numbers for me? Tell me how efficient LeBron James has been in the year. Let me pull it up.

Because I know you have it. So, yeah, his career high and true shooting before this year was 0.649. Guess what season that was? I'm going to guess my... 2015 or 2013. Yep, 2013, 2014.

Yeah. Miami. Playing next to two other stars. It was basically Lop City open dunks nonstop. This year, his true shooting percentage is 0.675.

Meaningfully higher than that. Which granted, it's a different game. It's more spacing so-and-so. Maybe it's not one-to-one. But listen, he's fucking 39 years old. He shouldn't be the most efficient he's ever been his career or mad at the circumstances

and especially not when it's still 25 points per game. Okay. It's ridiculous. And the way we've gotten here is interesting because the past couple years, he's looked a little worse, I'd say, than his championship year

because he's been playing the same style of ball, you know, predominantly ball dominant, and they've had terrible spacing with Russ on the court, the head, you know, Thomas Bryant, all these other guys that just weren't good line of spacing in the past couple seasons. And this year, he shifted really off ball. He sets a lot more screens than usual, is a pick and pop guy, pick and roll guy, and a tax advantage from that standpoint. They're kind of trying to buy into the fact that they have Austin Reeves, have Deel, have Rue, all these guys that can have the ball in their hands. And that's what's enabled LeBron to be, like, incredible, get back to the highest little efficiency he's ever

had, he's scoring 1.39 points of possession as a pick and roll roll man, a 75 effective field goal percentage on those shots. He's, he's entering a different stage of his career where he's being used differently in a way that has enabled him to continue to be as effective as he ever has been. Yeah, they're allowing him to play old man basketball, right? And to an extent, yeah. Yeah. And so like this idea of like the entire offense being LeBron-centric, he-lo-centric, however you want to look at it. Like, this is, it's funny because this is, kind of what everybody has wanted for two years and really really this is what lebron has loki wanted for the last what six years like since he since he got to l a and even like the last two years

of cleveland it's more like hey like we have carrie here let you know let like carrie let the kid do do do whatever he has to do right he gets to l a l a magic tries to bring in all these playmakers try and get lepros yeah sick oh my god that's so sick lons loz Michael Beasley. It's comical. Shout out, shout out Beasley. I hope he's having a good day.

Yeah. So, like, they're bringing in all these people because you don't want to have LeBron be everything for the offense. I think the fact that his three ball is falling is fantastic and it's scary. Because if he's shooting 41% man. That's what I'm saying.

If LeBron and especially like, if LeBron is on the outside, like the most dangerous that LeBron ever is, no matter what age he's been at, what stage in his career. If you get LeBron going downhill into space, that is where he's at his best. That is where he's the most dangerous. And him shooting, him shooting as great as he is right now, allows the Lakers to be spaced out and allows him to move a little bit more and get downhill.

And there were points last year where we saw LeBron, like, as he was saying, look, you would see LeBron choose when he wants to run fast and when he does it. And when he would just decide to put his head down and when he does it. And he has been able to once again manipulate the game and pick his spot perfectly, which is just a testament to his IQ and how to get into his own, where to go. And this like evolution of the game that happens with a lot of older players, he's doing it once again. And it's just, it's crazy to see him doing this, you know?

Bro, he's shooting 82% at the room right now. what that is stupid at the rim do you and it's crazy because you mentioned there's times where he decides when to run fast I think he still does that they just have such a good game plan that enables him to do that because okay know he mentioned that he's one of playmakers around him and that's kind of been the downfall in the past couple years

it's why they traded for Russ to get him off ball it hasn't worked out because they got the wrong guys and people always said are they fucking stupid have they not seen the previous 15 years of his career do they not realize LeBron plus shooters is the formula and this year they did both they have great spacing and those spacers can also dribble and create is that type of role player that lets him you kind of navigate both those situations it's perfect yeah sorry something brings up something interesting to go ahead and

back you guys fantastic points is that to even prove had the evolution in his game so far this season at 39 years old we can all agree right he's still the best player he's still the best players on Lakers right yeah yeah yeah for sure with this new game plan he's taken the least amount of shots that he's ever taken in his entire NBA career he's shooting about 16 16 16 field goals attempt per game that's ridiculous you know what I'm saying and he's still averaging 26 points per game because he's that efficient yeah and on top of of taking less shots he's taking the most amount of assisted shots of his career normally as a rookie was the highest amount of assists

his sister shots he's ever taken. 47%. A little under half were assisted. This year,

it's at 56%. More of LeBron and James' shots are coming from somebody passing to him than him creating.

That is crazy. I think about it like they're using him. I think about it as the way that KD was used on the Warriors

where he said a lot of screens for Steph, he was catching the ball and attacking closeouts and still creating with the ball on his hands, but from a point

of advantage. It's like that mixed with Draymond in that peak days where he's able to do the short roll stuff and throw lobs to big and stuff that's how they're using LeBron he's catching shooting a lot

shooting 41% attacking those close outs and still attacking the rim like always being a way overqualified short role playmaker it's like Donald said it's exactly what you'd want to see from old man LeBron yeah at least in half court he's in transition he's still running you notice that in half court he plays

off ball slow picks the spots but every time he gets a rebound runs a million miles in transition because he can still get fast in that way. Yeah, he's playing YMDA basketball right now. And it's like, it's fantastic. What's his, what's his minutes at? For, probably pretty normal. Like 33.9.

33 minutes a game. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's funny though because it's like, I, everybody knew the moment Darwin, Darvin Ham was like, yeah, you know, we're going to try and play LeBron 20 to 30 minutes. Like, bro, stop lying to us. Like, we're not, we're not done. And we know that that's not going to happen because your team just can't function.

And it's just, I think it's very interesting that this team still rides and dies with, like, LeBron's offense, but they've completely, like, shifted his offense, which is, like, as I was saying, the formula for LeBron has always been him plus shooters. And we've never, we've never really seen this version. I'm, I'm very shocked, honestly, that the Lakers have been able to get out to, to this start with this version of LeBron. Like they're 9 and 6 right now They're I do want to see this And this is where the quote unquote hating or whatever There's 7 and 1 at home 2 and 5 on the road Are they like

Are they going to be able to win games on the road Is that going to be a thing right moving for the rest of the season But that's more like Lakers centric not like LeBron centric obviously But that's and I will say They're also playing right now as we're recording this They're playing Dallas on the second half of back to back Without their two best primitive defenders Like it's Luke and Kyrie so

they might get stomped out tonight and some of this will look a little different but just know we're recording this before that game let me check it on the score uh 56 to 44 mavics are up got it which again the lakers are missing cam reddish and vanderbilt so they have nobody to guard luva and kairi it's going to be a bloodbath on the second half of back to back they were never going to win this game yeah for sure it is going to be a disaster um really quick tangent that i want to hop on to when it comes to the lakers of course you've seen them outside of tonight, remember, y'all. Remember what we just said 30 seconds ago.

Creon, you're just, you know what I'm saying? They don't have great attention span, so I just got to reiterate that. The Lakers, you know, along with how LeBron's been playing, it's been great seeing how he's transformed his offense, but it's also been a lot easier to accept this when they're winning. And also, I would attribute that to guys like Daniel Russell stepping up over the last, what? He's been good. I'm looking over here over the last 8. games he's been averaging about 18 points per game shooting 51% from three and 51% from

the field Austin Reeves coming off the bench has trans not transformed the game but he's you know what I'm saying gone back recovered we who he usually is you know what I'm saying Anthony Davis still doing Anthony Davis things um so overall they're clicking bro cam reddish is useful again woohoo my cam brish is one that essential camberish is one the guys I want to bring up on this list cam reddish has proven me wrong because They signed him and the season started He wasn't playing good I was like God get this motherfucker off the court

He's been good man He's been a legitimately great defender so far this year He just needed an opportunity He just needed an opportunity And listen he got so much opportunity He just needed a seventh opportunity To show where he can do That's all he needed nobody believed in it

And now he's that video of Anthony Edwards Talking about Cam Reddish Has single-handedly helped carry his career and the reputation and I fucking love it bro I fucking love he's been a good defender it's to the point where he's been such a good defender that him missing tonight makes me be like okay well Luke is gonna eat because they don't have our best defender I man we've been most these players we talked about I think all of them have been in a positive sense Donovan as the podcast is consistent source of negativity give me a negative one is that what I am yes 100% give me one somebody who's

proved people wrong in the worst way possible somebody who's been worse and expected Everybody thought, everybody except for me, everybody thought that Jordan Poole was going to come out here and light the world on fire. And I told y'all that- He's with the franchise on fire. A hundred percent. I told y'all that Jordan Poole would be great at brunch, that he would be a great person in D.C. nightlife and that he would light up the city there. But that he would not be a productive member on the basketball floor. And boy, has he been bad this year. Jordan Poole has been terrible and there's been so many nights like everybody saw the 41 point game in the preseason was like oh he's you see the Warriors were wrong for trading him this is what Jordan Poo can do he's about to cook and as everybody saw I think everybody had their eyes on Jordan Poole last Friday because listen a a notable Twitter to the star said that they were going to be in DC right a notable baddie said that they were going to be in DC right a notable baddie said that they were going to be in

DC and everyone was like, oh, this is, this is Jordan Pool's time. And this man, a notable bad. Listen, everybody put in their parleyes. They said, oh, I'm taking the overall Jordan Poole's points. And this man stunk it up, eight points, right? A point. Eight points. Oh, four from three, I believe. And that has been a microcosm of what has happened this season. He's shooting terribly. He's taking, he's taking a lot of, a lot of bad shots. The vibes have not looked great from a lot of the videos that have been circulating social media and it just hasn't worked out in the way that

like you haven't gotten the extreme highs that you would think that you would get from Jordan Pool that would kind of offset the lows that you knew that you were going to get and it's been a lot of lows for Jordan Poor man and so he has been I think I think a lot of people yeah he's proved them wrong in terms of being a solid player on the team where he could cook you said people in the media I forgot who

it was a former player podcast maybe it was Gil or who I don't know who it was there's a lot of those there's a lot of former player podcast these days yeah one of them was up there like he's James Hardin he's in a maybe it was Cam Carnet actually gross like he's James Hardin he's like James Hardin he

and be a star what the fuck man me I'm gonna go through his whole box score and I'm gonna go stat by stat and look at a comparison from last season which was a decent year but a little bit disappointing right coming off the playoff from the year before that

last year okay let's go this year his points per game down damn personal fouls up damn turnover is about the same point two down

so good for him there a little bit of improvement oh I press the right actually press the ad his point two more blocks per game a little bit of improvement assist down despite more opportunity

rebounds down free throw percentage down down down effective filial percentage way down damn two point percentage

way down damn way down Damn. Everything has gotten worse despite more opportunities. Everything's just worse besides 0.2 blocks

and 0.2 less turnovers. He has completely failed in every sense with a new opportunity given to him. Denny F. Dihah has been their second best player this year easily. It's honestly hilarious.

He's not a part of their future if he's to keep playing like this. He's not going to be a viable asset because he makes max contract money so you're not going to flip him for more down the line. What do you do with Jordan Poole at this point?

How do you view him if you're a wizard's fan? You sit down and watch him. Listen, this is where he plays into the future. You view him as somebody who can help you get the number one pick in the draft. Facts, pink commander, commander-in-chief, CEO of commanding. Exactly. You are in, you just, everybody knew that the Wizards were going to be bad this season. You knew that this is the stage in your franchise that you are at.

And you said, we need somebody to secure us the number one pick. We need to go toe to toe with the Detroit Pistons. for the number one pick and they said oh yeah get jordan on the phone i know i know this is a job for him yeah yeah man jordan pool has been absolutely cooking he is he has been cooking nothing but poo-poo platters he's been cooking poo-poo pies this tonight i want to put up 24 points nice but you shot 21 times that game bro some go ahead and dish out two assists nice but you had three turnovers. It's absolutely gross.

I was over here on the Washington Wither's Reddit late night type shit. 3 a.m. Why was I? I don't know. Then I asked you those questions but I was on Washington Wizards Reddit

and I saw it get so down bad to a point to where fans are over here talking about, yo, you know what we should do? Go ahead and DM this man engineering jobs, computer engineering jobs. They're like,

yo, we can get him a good salary at 8590K a year. They're looking for, they're saying, bro, we got a good four, one k plan for you they don't want you

part of the organization poop and platters he's the feces facilitator I'm glad he got his money I really am Colonel caca Colonel caca Colonel caca Lieutenant Latrine

No that's bad No man he's been bad He's been bad And I think it's just it's simple and plain. It's a lot of stuff. When we talk about like the positive players on this pod, there's a lot that we can point to. It's like, yeah, man, like this evolution is this and that.

With Jordan Poole, I don't think that it's anything different though. I don't think like, obviously there is some evolution and it's been negative and like the shooting's been bad and a lot of stuff has been bad. But I don't think that anything is fundamentally different with Jordan Poole. He's always been a very reckless shot taker. He's always been very hot or cold. The only difference was you had Steph Curry opposite of him to make up for a lot of his mistakes. And he wasn't the one leading the charge.

And since that playoff run in 22 where everybody was like, oh, he's the next splash brother, this and that. You haven't seen Jordan Poole. He was unplayable in playoff series last year because of his inability to make shots, his inability to play defense his playmaking wasn't up to par and yeah so i think this is going to be a problem for for wizard's fans actually not a problem because like i said they want to be in a position to have a high draft big but it's not it's not looking good for for jordan poor for the wizards man i want to talk about one more player before he finished this segmented up and well first before

i do that let's acknowledge people that should be on this list for proving people wrong Carl Lentney Towns, Rudy Gaubert, Scottie Barnes. The only reason we're not talking about them is because we talked about them at length over previous episodes. Maybe, especially Kat and Gobert, we had a whole lot of time dedicated them last week so we won't rehash that.

Clearly proven us wrong specifically and the NBA media at large. Same thing with Scottie Barnes. Didn't take a big leap last year, but this year has been legitimately a star. So their honorable mentions because they're so obviously on the list. Yeah.

But the last guy I want to talk about is Mr. Alperin Sangoon. Yes! I think he has been incredible. I think he's a legitimate star and he is somewhere in the lineage of DeMontas Abonis, Nicola Yokic, all these guys that white centers that NBA coaches are realizing that can be the hub of

offenses. He's the newest member of this family, the youngest one there, he's going to join that offensive hierarchy pretty soon. Not Yolkish levels, obviously not. But, you know, that archetype of player, he has shown this year that he legitimately has the ceiling of being a star level offensive player. And, I mean, Doka has shown that you can build a defense around him and not have him take it like he's fine on that end to the point where he is a highly effective player despite his struggles defensively no man listen shangoon

has been crazy why i watch shangoon it looks like yokech and like georgias nang had a baby like it looks it looks like you took yokech's like you took his skills and just put it in george's neang's body it's just made his arm small yeah he just built a certain way but now he's been He's been fantastic, and everybody, everybody who's been watching the Rockets, like, even in, you know, whatever last season was, has been saying, like, please run the offense through Shangun. Like, we can't keep giving the ball to KPJ and Jayne Green and letting them play this one-on-one basketball. Like, Shangoon, good stuff happens. And they have been able to unlock something. They've been able to unlock, or not unlock, but they've been able to put Jaylon Green in, in, you know, promising positions because he's playing more off ball.

like shangoon is he's the key he's the key to houston and what they're doing right now like he's been legitimately fantastic yeah i love and it's not even just like feed sangoon it's play through him yeah but not in a way that's like throwing the ball in the low post it's use him as a hub get him the ball on the short roll let him do things with a from points of advantages like this year 67% of his shots are assisted last year it was like 50 so he's not just like throw him the ball down low when he can get his few touches and get out of the mud the running pick and roll with him he's catching it down low finishing hitting the shooters in the corner hitting jalen green attack closeouts whatever he is getting the ball he's keeping the ball moving

doing his playmaking things he's shooting 56% for midrange which is crazy every time you watch and play it's like teams don't realize he can shoot yet and he gets off these little like jumpers that he like puts his leg up as if he's leaning back but they're just jumpers because he has all the space in the world because nobody respects him yet that don't change soon it's just flowing through his skill set perfectly without forcing it yeah yeah man that like that like brook lopez like push shot floater like shangoon has added that like he's he's scoring from he's scoring from everywhere and i now that they have like an actual point guard in there to set him up as well and then do everything

listen i listen the rocket the rockets have a nice feature because of shangoon like he's he's killing it i love to hear man this is i i love seeing people admit that they're wrong Isaac plus 10 respect again because a couple of thought well during the summer I believe you were over here saying you literally called him overrated on a podcast

yeah you said he was one of the most yeah overrated young players oh he got receipts and that's because I was like I had a strong opinion about him no you for sure did and that's because they were comparing him to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Nicole Yolkich and you're like this savage

how dare you compare to Nicole Yokic and how dare people go ahead and put side by side stack comparisons comparisons where they're fucking trashedness yeah you call maybe not the most overrated young players but to use the word overrated next to his name so um you were okay I don't even remember I don't even remember ever thinking that it was probably during our overrated underrated episode because I do remember you saying that he's more subonious than than Yokic yeah which like everybody is yeah Yogan is an unattainable standard

So he is But like I think that's fine Because like the standards for a corner piece of this team Like Subonis would be a great outcome for a late first round pick You know what I mean So I do definitely still think he's that I guess if if the point I was making was that Rockets fan Think he's Yokch then sure in that case he's overrated

Because nobody's Yokchch that's not a fair standard But yeah I think I was rather indifferent to him before Because he had a fake coach Who just like refused to give him the ball and was just like KPJ go cook And it was the stupidest team I've ever seen Like it was like the Pistons this year Where it's just nonsense

Yeah So I've always thought they need to free him I guess I was not sure What the ceiling is once he's freed But I've ever seen it He can be a low level all star for sure And maybe make steps past that And you're not the only one who thought

Like that at the start of the season Hemi Doka seemed like they were trying to run through Jaling Green and all them boys And not really have Singu and be Pinnacle with the face of the offense Or at least let you go by him you know but over as time has gone on you see all the little things smart plays of course flashy classes random ass poster that sangoon does you have to they can only be so long to where you like

you deny him and all the positive outcomes that happens whenever he touches the ball or at least the ball is near him and so the houston rockets running their future running their entire team around and we'll do them nothing but justice dylan brooks is over here doing good friend of me you know i'm saying he's helping organize the offense on a consistent basis whenever jailing green does jailing green things so yeah man the houston rockets have a right feature another young big that i want to talk about and give flowers to um no one really necessarily on this podcast either you two were wrong about him because you had no expectations but me personally i put ceilings and limitations on just how good this player was on past platforms or whatever chet homegren um i knew he was going to be good

I knew that he had a for sure ceiling on this in this league. But to say that he is probably the second best player on a top, what, three to four seat Western conference team is ridiculous. Chet Hungram right now is the rookie of the year. I know we all love Wembe on this podcast, you know what I'm saying, and all that. But the consistency that he's shown, the efficiency that he's shown has been ridiculous. And now, yes, like, I don't.

don't want to act like wimby isn't put as a disadvantage with jeremy saw on in his point guard he's playing it's like playing with like a bunch of random people whatever and okay c has a bulletproof blueprint a clear trajectory towards what their team's going to look like and it's he's already he's already seen his life is a lot easier his office is like easier than a lot of rookies have been over the last few years but to see him come in and fill the void and be the friend protector lead awesome okayc defense while also being insanely efficient i don't expect to see to continue to this trajectory but chet home has been fantastic man fantastic that's great no it's interesting when he was drafted there was a narrative among people that

didn't like him that was like he's too skinny he can't survive we got to get him in the weight room he's not going to be able to handle the NBA physicality and all this bullshit that kind of disappeared because when binyama came into the league and people were obviously not going to say that about him, well, you know, some people did, but it was more accepting to have a skinny big because of the presence of Vic. So I say, I'll say to say, he definitely was doubted in his pre-draft process in his first year. So people forgot they doubted him because they stopped caring for other reasons, but he's definitely, like, that, his size has not been an issue at all. He's a legitimately great room protector, despite that. The Vic thing, though,

like, you can kind of, you know, get over that whole narrative with Vic because he's two inches just taller than Chet has this eight-foot wings, like as big as Chet is, Victor Women Yalber is taller, it's a longer wingspan, so you're just like, all right, like, you can't really do anything, right? He can block shots without standing up. Chet also has, Chet also has the benefit of, right, you know, he was hurt last year. So he was able to be in NBA circles, train like an NBA player, do all that stuff, put on it, because he is a little, he is bigger than right now than he was whenever he came

into the league. And it's like, naturally. Yeah. And so, like, he is now able to be in a position where the size is a little bit less of an issue. And listen, when we were doing our top centers, I told y'all, I put Wembeah 14, I put Chet at 15. I said, they're already better than half the centers in the league. And Chet is like that. Chet is like that.

For the Thunder last season to have as good of a defense as they did without a legitimate room protector. And now they have Chet, who is mobile, who can do things offensively and defensively at a high level and fill one of the, you know, extreme needs that they had. Their ceiling this year is extremely high. And so, yeah. Incredible. Yeah. So I think, yeah, Chet's been fantastic. Like Mo said, he should right now, he would be my rookie of the year.

And yeah, man, shout out, shout out Chet. Yeah, I think he's easily a top 10 center right now. Like, we were doing a top of the center's list. Like the background for the top 10, we were. like, uh, a guess. Dominating.

Another guy. And I don't, listen, I don't know who he proved wrong outside of himself because he came out and called himself dominating and he's out here setting screams on nobody.

He's averaging a measly 12 and 10 on a team that is bad. This is your time. Kindrick Perkin numbers, bro. God damn. This is your time to be scoring 25 and 12. Even Devin Booker took a shot at him the other day. Damn.

It was like, he was like, yeah, man. You know, it's good that, you know, I see him. He's playing hard. Hopefully he can keep that up. And it's like, like, he should be out. He didn't even say that.

He didn't say, hopefully give it up. He said, I challenge him to do that every night. True. Yeah, what a shot. Straight forward. What a shot. What a shot. The fact that, the fact that AIM isn't out here being dominating,

that should be a disappointment to himself. But maybe, maybe like Mo said, a long time ago, his goal was only to get a second contract, and he got it. So for him, everything else is gravy. He's chilling. He's out here to make the checks. Yeah.

Yeah, he's 25 and 12 is never going to be a thing. He doesn't have a scoring back to ever hit that level of scoring. Like, he's not the rim threat and he did to ever have that be a thing. But listen, 20 and 12? Why not?

Like, where's the competition? Granted, that team has two point guards. Scoo Henderson and Anthony Simons, both of which have been hurt. Now they have Malcolm Brogning and his war of a combo guard, being their lead guard. Team the shit show,

Nobody defeat him. And he's just not the type of player that is going to just get out the mud, creating for himself. He needs to have a competent point guard to set him up. And he doesn't have that. And that's what he was. It's not entirely his fault. That's what he was asking for. He was like, bro, just give me the ball in the low post.

Let me cook. And now you have a chance to cook. And you don't want to. You need competent players around you. I do. Fan, listen, it's you and Robert Williams. Robert Williams is out for the, literally everybody on that team is hurt. And you are the only one.

You are the only one who has been in the league for a while. You and Jeremy Grant. And if Jeremy Grant, he gets the opportunity, where does he do? Jeremy Grant's like, I'm going to shoot the ball. I'm getting my shot toss. Aiton does not want to do that. Yeah, but listen to yourself. It's a team with him and Jeremy Grant.

That's not good offense. It's not a good offense. It's very hard to be a big and just get out the mud like that unless you're like Joel and B, Yolkett's someone who has that ball handling ability. It's pretty tough to just figure. You can't, it's not like, it's not just like more shots more points. 12? 12 points?

Come on. Yeah, I told him's pretty embarrassing, man. He hasn't been good at all. Ooh, we. Is it that time of a year? Is it that time of the podcast? Is it TikTok time? Listen, ladies and gentlemen, this is dropping the day probably after Thanksgiving.

I'm out the hood. I'm back in the Burbs. This is my first TikTok time in the Burbs in forever. Ladies and gentlemen, crown eaters, rejoice. Let's do this shit. The TikTok time is going to feel so nostalgic. That had nothing to do with this setup. He just wanted to let you guys know.

I'm not broke right now. Let it be known. Let it be known. He's going back to the hood next week. This is the one week I is. He's vacationing in the berms. He had to burst my bubble. Damn.

As always, we're going to start with the draft. Today, we're going to get back to doing a line of draft. Last week, we did a player. We can get back to her roots a little bit. And that's going to be a draft of only players whose name starts with the letter A. first names current all time all time all time okay okay yeah so anybody you know

anthwan anthony uh adrian anything like that let's your fnbba lineups with only players whose first name starts the letter a all right I'm starting mine off with the Hall of Famer give me the answer Alan Iverson oh okay okay I was hoping you didn't pick him since you did first pick give me Anthony Davis

knew you were gonna say okay I'm the personal big off front Cool I guess that leaves me with Anthony Edwards Okay Damn 80 I would wait a little bit to pick him Yeah for sure

But I didn't do no research I'm cooked Oh my God Anthony Davis damn off the boards Alan Iverson off the boards That fucking hurts My soul So are you going

To round off Go ahead and give me Amari Stottemeyer Okay, nice. I'm going to get a wing score. Give me Adrian Danley. Who the hell is that? 30 point for game for multiple years.

You got to do your homework. What the hell is Adrian Danley. No one knows who he is but you. That's not true. He's a Hall of Famer. It's not true. What position do you play? It's all for this man.

Stop talking. Come on. Anyway. Okay. So I Okay. So I have Alan Iverson at my one at my two. Yeah, at my two, give me Alex English

Fuck, I was gonna pick a rest Damn, okay And then I wanted to hear him and Dantley so bad And then at my five Give me Alonza morning Good pick I have two scores I'm gonna get a complimentary player there

Give me Andre Goddow with a three I need you Okay okay Yeah, I need that defense I need that defense damn Okay, cool So so far I have Anthony Edwards and I also and I also have Amari Stademeyer. That's solid. So now this is where

the traffic gets kind of nasty, huh? This is where he gets nasty. There's a lot of good players left. Is there really? You would have had to just attempted to do research beforehand. And this is where I failed myself. Anyways, go ahead at my, at my three, give me Andrew Carolico. AK-47. Damn, what's a good pick? We'll be a better role players you can find in here. Yeah, give me AK-47, and then

at my point, go ahead and give me Anthony Simons. Dang, that's a good pick for spacing. Okay. Okay. I also need spacing. I also need more defense. Give me Al Horford to pair of Anthony Davis. Oh, my God.

need a three and d big you got the dominican man i wanted him on my team no okay that's that's good that's good all right here's what we're going to do we're going to kind of have a modern but old school lineup we're going to slide alan iris into the two we're going to put alice english at the three because at my four i'm going to go small and take andrew wiggins and at my one don't do it don't do it i'm going to take anphurny penny hardaway I forgot his name was Anthony. That's a good steal. Yes, sir.

You know what? I'm glad you didn't pick who I wanted. You could have Anthony. I got a lot of scoring. I got a lot of defense. Give me someone who led the league in the assist. Andre Miller at my point guard. Oh, you got the,

you got an old man point. That's good. That's good. That's a steal. That's good. Bounce passes galore. Chess passes just like they teach at the YMCA. That's good.

That's good stuff. Bounce passes galore. That's hard to sell. he's throwing lobs off the bounce to anthony david exactly no listen no he he's around here just right there on the number right to my 30 point for game scores good that's good i love that shit all right so so far i have infrey simons aunt man and then i have amari stonemeyer and carolinko oh carolinko too forgot who you closing it out with damn okay so Amari's going to be in one, Avery Bradley.

A.K. 47. Bro, just take Anthony Bennett and keep it moving. He's still there. He is. Bro, Avery Bradley used to give folks, hell. I love that pick. Give me Anthony. What's his name?

Avery Bradley. There we go. I said Anthony. I was like, wait. I was like, Anthony, wait. Give me Avery. It's so hard. For the first time in draft history, you picked the dude I said pick.

Yeah. Because he didn't do any research. There's so many better players No, my fit is beautiful My fit is beautiful Is it? Yeah, I got Anthony I got Avery, Ant-Man, AK-47, Amari

This team's nice It's a solid team for having no prep You could do better, but not terrible No prep mode Respect it. What do you have, Isaac? I have Andre Miller, Adrian Dantley,

Andre Gadella, Anthony Davis, Al-Horford Listen, man In 2006, you are cooking. Facts. This is nice. That's nice.

All right. I have Anfrey Penny Sophe. That's Simon's. I have Anthony Penny Hardaway, Alan Iverson, Alex English, Andrew Wiggins, and then Alamza Morning at my 5.

It's not bad. You didn't have to pick Wiggins. You couldn't pick somebody else there. I did it. I really, I really wanted Carolinko and Mo took them and I was like, all right,

we'll just get another like wingy type four. We'll just play small. It was either. Let's either Andrew Wiggins or Al Jefferson. Al Jefferson. Is either Al Jefferson or Al Harrington. I met out. Now the defense with Horford, Anthony Davis, Igadawa is crazy.

That's a crazy trio of defense. No, that's a nice line. So my five. I don't move to TikTok comments, understand, but we'll see. Yeah. My five is Anthony Simons, Avery Bradley, Antman, AK-47, and Marie Sotomayor. You have a couple really good defenders, and then a really week one in five defensively so I don't know

I can't tell how good of a defense that is listen man okay somebody put these teams into 2K put these teams into 2K let's see who is Adrian I'm gonna be cooking bro yeah you have a 1945 ass team no one cares

he played in the 90s that's funny all right man next video we're gonna do we're gonna do something that we're supposed to do last week but honestly I forgot to do it you guys are gonna guess NBA players based on their 2K stats.

Okay. Okay. Like by their like 2K rating? Oh, no, by individual statistics. Oh. So you have to guess who the player is. And you see those here now. Oh, okay.

I see. So guess the NBA player based on these 2K attributes. First off, who we got? 85 three-pointer. Shoot a 90 driving dunk. Passing accuracy 74 and perimeter defense, 83. Can't really pass. he don't be passing like that you can let them off this feels like this feels like somebody

who should be an elite 3 and D wing but lokey isn't though because of their perimeter defense the silhouette is are these silhouettes like actually the no no it's just one silhouette okay I was about to say this is a white man silhouette exactly white man with a driving dunk of 90s there's only a couple of those that's not that's why he's clarification so this has to be a guard this has to be a guard primary defense is that high driving dog three point yeah has to be a guard so what guard are we leading towards don't i don't know listen there's a lot of players in the league can we can we know what conference this player is in western conference western conference so it's definitely not desmond bane um passing

accuracy is going to be with a 90 driving dunk slamming up yes yeah T-race honors no Definitely not doesn't be Can't be no Dailing Green It's not going to be Elbow dunk Can be Shea Hell not It's not play

Yeah I don't You guys give up Who is this kid? Hold on We got to get one guess off In the Western Conference Yeah, try I just say names

Yeah let me look at it I gotta look at Western Conference scenes right now For these fucking names To jump off on my head Oh, could this be Anthony Edwards? That's what I was thinking. This is Anthony Edwards. There we go.

There he go. Love it. You guys got that one. Next up. Who is this player? Free throws 79, passing accuracy is 98. Strength 72. Weak as hell.

Offensive rebound 59. Damn. This could be a lot of players. Passing airkey is 97 though. Honestly, I think I know who this is. What do you want to say? Donovan. I look he feel like this is

could this be Ricky Rubio? Rick Rueh at 98. He's not Magic Johnson. Give me the modern day Ricky Rubio. Give me the slob wizard Josh Giddy. This is not Josh.

Damn! The slob let me down. This is not Josh. No, not Josh Giddy. Pass accuracy in 98. We got to think of the best passers in the lead, but not strong, though.

Freito 79. that's kind of weak are we thinking we thinking what like a well he's a he's a good frito shooter i was i was thinking about maybe darius garland but he's it no not darius i almost wanted to say tray young but his frito's going to be higher he's not soon 79 percent think about who are the best passengers in the league who aren't particularly good at free throws it's very clear oh could this be fucking oh wait i was going to say benson's but not this could be honestly, no, it can't be Dremont Green. He's strong as hell. Y'all see the way he choked

out Rudy O'Hare? Can't be him. He can't. Yeah. Can't be Luca. This can't be LeBron. Strong as fuck. You ran out of time. You said can't be Luca. This is Luca Donchich. What? 72. 72 strength. A ho on his ass.

They're bugging. They're bugging. He's a point guard. Bro, he's a big ass point guard, though. I guess. He's strong as hell. All right. Next up. Who is this player? 97 ball handling interior defense 82. Intangibles 60 and three-pointer, 85. Ball handling in 97, he'd be dicing this motherfucker up. Intangible 60. Okay, intangibles being 60 just means that they have to be like terrible vibes. With the 85 three-pointer? The intangibles. Is this? Yeah, this player. Oh, okay. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

know who has terrible vibes but still can loki who you know they can still look aty who is this james hardin interior defense 82 though he listen he's this is james hard he's he's underrated he's his post defense his post defense is underrated vibe he's stocky he's strong that's what i'm saying vibes at an all-time low though oh my god honestly 60s a little bit high for intangibles but everything else makes sense the interior bro we we let like five plays over the last two three years is like purse us and be like yo interior defense is hard

he's low he's like that he's stocky yeah on the perimeter listen perimeter defense is much lower but interior defense he's good for his position that's so weird bro

next up who is this player 81 three pointer block is 92 passing IQ 59 and hustle is 90 oh man I was going to say

this might have PJ Tucker written all over it but the block might be too hard who's a who's a big a big block candidate someone who can shoot 90 hustle but has low IQ this has Dylan Brooks rider all over it is Dylan Brooks no Dylan Brooks is not have a 92 block

yes we're thinking big men thinking big men I think is this I see you know what I'm gonna take this guess is this Jaron Jackson Jr this is not jaron jackson junior i don't think i wrote these like last week so i got i'm trying to pull them up real quick so i can see it on my

hi-paths i can see 59 iq is crazy as hell like 90 hustle if you speaks volumes 59 pass IQ each you're just like you don't know what to do with the ball on your hands at all yeah exactly i'll get to jaron jackson junior i almost see this has like this this is the jill and sucks build right here honestly iq was higher.

81, three point, though. Come on. 81 is a little bit too high. You're right about that. It's a bit much. It's a bit much. We're thinking about, this is a nighty hustle is crazy, though.

They're just running around. He's just running around, tricking people. I don't know where to go. What conference? Can we get a conference? This player is in the Western Conference. What type of players have low IQ? okay

don't answer raciously young players about to go some places young players young players young players is low IQ

okay so they got to be okay so this is a new wish player could this be this can't be Chet Holm this can't be this Chet Holmgren he's

Wow 59 IQ is so disrespectful that's so disrespectful there's a young player They're disrespectful to my guy. Come on. 59 IQ, but

it's just pass IQ. Oh, pass IQ, okay. Okay. But see, I guess, still.

That's disrespectful to. All right, next up, who is this player? 3.80, driving lay up 92, strength 61, defensive consistency,

30. We don't play no damn defense. Damn. Listen, they're weak. They're weak. They don't play. defense they can drop to the basket I think that this might be the mellow ball

this is not lamella ball he damn sure doesn't have a 92 driving layup okay could this be Jordan pool this is your defense of consistency he sold me with 92 yeah yeah he can spin that bitch off the backboard but that's about it yeah yeah in layup lines is this from last year no getting to the room is like the only good thing he does offensively. Yeah, this screen. Yeah, strength 61, accurate. Three point accurate.

All right. Next up, who is this player? Perimeter defense 55. Free throw, 64. This person sucks. Block 56, durability 60. Damn, who are you? And why are you in the league?

Is this? Okay, can't, me? Okay, let's see. Can't shoot throws, can't defend on, on the perimeter, can't block anybody. Always hurt Listen, you're describing somebody Can't a bad defender who's always hurt

So block 56 is kind of high They can't keep Fritos You got to be a big Is this? No way, no, no, not enough But the perimeter defense is too low He has to be a big for sure He has to be a big

Listen, I wanted to take a shot But I'm not going to take the shot Take the shot There's no way this can be Ben Simmons No, it's not Ben Simmons He's a great defender. Yeah, I was going to say This could be cat

But the free throw is way too low Yeah, cast a shooter No way is that low Damn Okay So if it's not cat Oh, could this be someone like Damn, this is the

What conference is he in? West You guys should know this one I'm blanking right now could this be oh could this be zyle williamson this is zion william oh my god you made it

trash oh my gosh there we go it's sad because all those are facts and it's still somehow fucking superstar could be one it's ridiculous

he just breaks all the rules he does good and look at all this stuff crap that's great all right that's end of that segment that's hilarious

next thing we're going to do we're going to do a tier list and this time we're going to get back to something we started a couple weeks ago when Kenny was on the pod we're in position by position and we're going to tier list

today shooting guards so I got 10 of them laid out should be good you know we'll see where these shooting guards stand in comparison to each other some are the best in league some less so

we got a good little variety let's let's write it let's put these NBA shooting guards into a tier list First off, Devin Booker As tier, he's the best shooting guard in the league right now For now, for sure Pretty, I think pretty easily so

You're trying to push this agenda right now I'm trying to give Devin Booker his props Let's put him in next to you know what? This is a rare sighting way You give me Devin Booker props? I got to be my props I'm trying, I'm trying. I'm trying. This isn't an aura competition Devin Booker's still the best Yeah, Devin Booker's been killing it over the last few years

he's I think at times he can look like the best player on the Phoenix Suns most of the time in my opinion he probably is the best part on the Phoenix Suns that says a lot because you have Kevin to Iran who's still at pretty much the prime of his powers not peak but he's still prime KD and so improving his defense the passing is there being asked to be the point guard he's he's a lead man he's elite he deserves this no yeah he's he's earned his way to top 10 conversations and none of these other players have next up let's keep on topic Anthony Edwards He's an A tier He's As you like to say Isaac quintessential A tier He's still ascending He has to go ahead

And he has to go ahead And prove a lot more things Still and have that You know He has to have a run Of being elite Before he officially confirm That he is like

One of the most elite players In the NBA So yeah Yeah He hasn't earned his way To S yet He's not in the top 10 player Conversation

Booker's still A notch above But one more lead playoff run he might be knocking on those doors we can't avoid those conversations any longer once yeah march april june comes long i said june he ain't playing no finals but you know what i mean he's on the cusp we'll say that yeah next up clay thompson oh we got to put him in d we have to put he is washed have you seen clay thompson lately yeah he's taking a lot of jumpers not making a lot of jumpers not playing a lot of good defense

one of the reasons why the warriors are struggling. He just takes the most irrational three-pointers. Like, I get it, you're solidified in history as one of the greatest three points, which is of all time. But it's like, he doesn't have, he can't read the room and like, not knowing to swing that bitch.

He just pulls at any moment in time. Just pull, pull, pull, pull, pull. It's not your game, man. He's in that 2018 Carmelo stance right now where he's having a hard time recalibrating who he is as the player. We'll see if he can adjust, but right now it's not looking great.

We're going to. Yeah, we're going to. D is tough D it is tough man All right next up Donovan Mitchell Ooh Donovan Mitchell has to be

We gotta go S dude An 8 Ooh S here We gotta go S is it A or S I think we have to go S I don't I don't feel like Devin Booker should be standing alone though I think that Donovan Mitchell has also proven

That he's like He's also proven to be a riser in the playoffs He's had he's had several Several good performances He's played well to start this season last year with the with the calves he was fantastic I think he's I think he's easily the second best shooting guard in the league right now I think it's fair I think he's better than Anthony Edwards I think he deserves to be in a tier above Anthony Edwards right now 100% yeah just for now

yeah for now but as of as of lately it's a what have you done for me recently type of league and it's not all his fault but I just witnessed someone like devonbrook or go to the NBA finals a couple years ago and Anthony Edwards was a fresh run exit just like Donovan Mitchell so it's like what was the difference but at the same time I know at the end of the day I trust Donovan Mitchell more in a close game series or delete my team or whatever because he's done it for a lot more years and so yeah don't Mitchell being an S tier these are two best shooting guards he's earned it don of Mitchell for sure almost every time he's on a stage that is a game that matter he performs he deserves it you know exactly what you're getting

you can count on him Zach Levine B tier this This season, he's a C. I think him at his best as a B right now. That's true. That's true. Listen, I'm laying the hype get to me. I'm laying the trade rumors to get to me.

Yeah. Yeah. He hasn't been playing. Nobody on the Bulls hasn't played good enough to be above C in any tier list they're going to be in. All right. He's a bull's tax. See. Yeah, but we know he's better than a C though.

Like, this is not going to be who he is like throughout this entire course of the season. Do we know? Do we know? Do it again? Listen, you tell me to prove it and I'm pretty sure they just lost to OKC and this man, Zach Levy. being put up wasn't playing oh he wasn't playing oh yeah you're right he wasn't playing damn yeah he sat out today damn right next up Desmond bane he's been who beat here but his team was ass I think

he's firmly beat he's been better than Zach Levine this year for sure but he's not pushing a tier or anything like that yeah I think yeah is fucking perfect for him playmaking is taking a leap great score what do you call my name geo dude respect geo dude shout out geo dude We're just a G-O-Due respecting household. In this house, we respect the T-Rex. Next up, Austin Reeves. He's a C, for sure.

He's perfect C-Player. He's not beat. He hasn't been amazing this year. He's definitely not B. I mean, is he as good as Zach Levine, despite Zach Levine struggles? Who's he closer to, Clay Thompson or Zach Levine? Zach Levine. Really?

I think Clay Thompson has been bad this year. so if any if anything we might for future shooting guards we might have to move clay thompson down but i think no man you're crazy but guys he's we need to have conversations and he needs have conversations within himself next up jalen green oh man he's been better than clay thompson has he has been particularly good guys clay Thompson is not good right now Clay is a determining factor for you. It's crazy. I mean, Jalen Green can't be in the same tier

as Zach Levine. Can you see? See, this shit is messed up because Zach Levine is a C, to be honest with you. He don't belong there. So we got to move him up? Yeah, we need to move Zach Levine up, I feel like. Okay.

He's only averaging 21 on not particularly good efficiency. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's no way in hell. Jaylin Green's in the same tier as A. And also, Austin Reeves doesn't belong to be in next to the same. conversations is exactly being so I think C is perfect for Jayling Green he ain't moving in I think Jalen Green should probably be D D D

he's better than Clay I I think you hate Clay this all comes back down to exactly Clay has none to do it this damn we're talking about putting him in the same tier I think that I think bro Jalen Green has an effective local percentage of 46% he's not good either Clay Thompson is not good either Okay, I think Jay the Green should we're holding him way too much time with another greed I think Jay the degree is probably D it is now I'm not rocking with you guys He just out 34 this tonight too damn good for him Tyler Hero He probably deserves to be in C he's been hooping when he's on the floor

Yeah C or B you guys are not let's go B let's give him some respect he's yeah to Tyler here's been good and it's exactly mean would be B but again bulls tax so that's why it looks weird bulls tax no nobody on the bulls can be both seen any tier list is the rules lastly dejante murray he's having the best year of his career so far even though he just sold the atlanta hawks last night against the indiana pacer's with a dumb ass layup he's he's been hooping as if he's uh beat here he he's beat he's fair okay he doesn't have he doesn't have the bull's tax he's better than austin reeves i think he deserves be yeah i'm no yeah he's definitely not a tier whatsoever that's not his game not his bag whatsoever not the

face of a franchise but he's a great complimentary player yeah i like this so s tier we got boker and mitchell a tier anthony edwards i think gut fits yeah and then all these other guys below yeah it's just it's funny he's exactly gonna see you but what he can do bulls are a mess solid it's y'all fall man good job on us we we've done it again don't associate this list the perfect tier list. We did it, Joe. All right, that's the end of that. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to talk,

we're going to get a little basketbally. We're going to talk about old school NBA players and their modern day comparisons. Okay. So, real simple. Who is this NBA player's modern day comparison? Alan Iverson. Oh, man.

See, I'm thinking of playstyle. wise probably kairi irving okay that's an easy one with the dribbling it makes sense yeah super easy I don't know listen island Iverson is one of one nobody's like Alan Iverson okay we respect the answer on this podcast

you put dares going back in them of Philadelphia I'm just kidding I'm not going to just what's he doing what is he doing my I'm just kidding listen if Tyrese maxi average 28th the rest the season there might have to be clone conversations in Philadelphia so we're getting I guess Kyrie's the best answer Yeah, Kyrie's the most obvious clear-cut answer

There's no way around it, mid-range Yep, next up, Steve Nash Listen, we talked about it earlier Tyreys Halliburton Might have to be here You give Steve Nash a super soldier serum Give him five more inches of height A little more athleticism

You see Tyre's Halliburton Yeah, so just not Tyrese Halliburton at all, nice Yeah I mean obviously people say Tray Young a lot I think Tray Young clearly doesn't have the lot of efficiency

to be in the same conversations as Steve Nash yeah I think as soon as Trayung gets back to the 45% range instead of the fucking Raymond Felton

38% range that he's been on then he can be in these conversations I hope are you saying he's skinny Raymond Felton that's crazy wow he's light skin

that he don't have a belly for that he don't have the belly yet that's crazy listen Listen, Halliburton has the Pacers just like those mid-2000 sons who they're just running up and down, scoring at will. Like even the offenses and the situations are the same because of them.

So yeah, I'm going to go Steve Nash, Halliburton. I like that. Next up, Dwayne Wade. I think the easy answer would, or people want to say Donovan Mitchell, but I think Anthony Edwards is the answer right now. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a better answer.

D. Mitch is too off the dribble shooting oriented, I think. I think he's kind of moved away from that slashing primarily. Yeah, D. Mitch is way to, he's an elite shooter, to be honest with you, on all levels of the court. There's no, no former shooting that he can't do. Anthony Harris is a good comparison, but still not perfect. D. Wade was just so unique. Yeah, I see it's hard. It's hard to replicate that speed.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, Dway is, again, he's like, he's a one of a kind. But I think when you talk about, like, shot profile, and it's getting it in, and, dang, when you talk about shot profile, You know Eddie Edwards he's scoring in the mid range and I like the defensive component as well where he's like he's listen he's not like any elite defender But when he wants to lock in he can be one of the he could be a very very good defender at his position just like Dway Yeah. Oh yeah. It's a good one Carmelo Anthony

So listen nobody plays like him anymore. Yeah, the style's been phased that a little bit but who's the modern version like what carman who's the modern version that looks like what Mello would look like if he came up today. Should Michael Porter, Jr. Never swinging that bitch and just straight pulling? Yeah, it could be him.

No, he's way too stiff there's another versatility in the mid range. Who's like that? Honestly. Kevin Durant. Nah. Kevin Rans is peers in his era. No, I would say some like,

I think a better comparison could be someone like, all time grades here. That's all I'm doing. Somewhat that power. who likes to get back down in the post and has a quick step, but it's just the mismatch hell

could be like Palo Bencaro. I was thinking that too. But he doesn't have the shooting touch of Mello at all and he's more powerful. So it's not the best comparison, but that might be the best one that we have in the league right now. Yeah, definitely the closest. He's like a concoction of like if you took the best parts of Jason Tatum and the best parts of Palo Van Kero

and kind of did a little love child, that's Mello. Well, so it's 2018, Blake Griffin. Nice. What the fuck? it is yeah hard to find a good one for mellow today yeah all right next up Charles Barclay oh man just I'm gonna be lazy just give it his eye on you know I don't even have to explain why this because he likes to eat and you small damn that's why listen they called Charles Barkley the round amount of rebound I'll leave it there greatest nickname of all time yeah but no he Zion does play like him in terms of

being the undersized guard that's explosive finishing at the rim Zion's the easy pick here yeah for sure there's only really there's no one else in his mold really so what Julius Randall is like the poor poor poor poor gross hell no not even not disrespectful to Charles Barkley hell no he's the after pay Charles Barkley We got Charles Barkley on Layaway We got Charles Berkeley That's hilarious, man Charles Berkeley at home is Julius

Randallel, no That's hilarious All right, next up Jason Kidd Interesting one Big Guard who can play defense and pass Finish a little bit, not the strongest shooter Man

Loki I want to say Lanzo ball but he don't play basketball Well, no more. RIP. Those knees are in a better place. Okay, there you go. Are they?

Good safe. Well, I guess. Who is this? Yeah. Yeah, who are we thinking about? It's not the best compared. You said Lonzo, maybe Lamello, but very different, not the strong defender and a better shooter. So it's not the same, but, you know, big guard who can be a passer.

Yeah. There's no perfect comparison for Jason Tatum or Jason Kater right now. Maybe if Drew Holliday was an elite passer, it could be him. If we should make him entirely different player. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. You're the same thing. Yeah, Jason Kiddles was insanely unique.

Like there's no other NBA player right now that could thrive with his skills. Maybe you could say like, see, I want to say Josh Giddy, but he don't play that fucking type of defense. So it's like, maybe Kate Cunningham's the closest one. The athleticism is just like what separates them. Yeah. But listen, Kate shoots a lot more,

not super well, but he shoots more threes, but product of his era. I think if Jason came up today, he'd probably look a little more like Cade. Okay. Can we say, yeah, okay. Just way better at everything, though.

Yeah, let's run that. Okay. Next up, Larry Bird. Why are you laughing? I don't know why this is so funny This picture is just so crazy of Larry Byrd he's just so creepy as hell

He's just so 1980s like Midwest white man It's ridiculous In this photo he looks like Shellless Mr. Crabbs Like I just imagine Straight slob We're just roasting Larry Bird now I just see him in his like

In his wrangler jeans going to Go into like work at like a car factory or something like that. It's crazy. Oh, yeah. Um. Okay. So Larry Bird, modern day comparison.

There's only one answer here, guys. Who is it? Nicole Yokic is 7 foot Larry Bird. You make Larry Bird real tall and real strong is Nicole Yokic. They play so similar, but for somebody with a different size. Oh, that is true. You're right. I was thinking about wings.

I was thinking about like cross position type stuff. But that's actually really. Stretch him out, fadden him up, feed him a lot of food. You got Nicole Yokic. Yes. Super similar skill set. I agree. I like it.

Not as elite of a passer, obviously. But Leiber was a fantastic passer on underrated ass with his name. No, I said Larry Bird is a fantastic pastor, but he's not as elite. It was an underrated part of his game. I thought you were doing vice versa. No, no. I'm not on drugs. Whether it gets spicier?

You got to take this conversation a different way? All right. Next up. Oh, that's the last one. Okay. So that's the end of that. segment. Ooh-hoo.

Next thing we're going to do, Mo, I think you have an Instagram-based TikTok for us today. Yes, we were

just getting real serious with our basketball talk and now we're going purely off of vibes and awe. Crown years,

let's turn up. Popularity contest. Tomo, who was, Mo was talking about it and I thought he was going to

pull a list out of his shirt. Oh, that's crazy. It was so good. Like an old lady pulled money out of a bra.

Oh, that's crazy as hell. Ew. We're going to do a video where we have to guess the NBA player or guess which NBA player has more Instagram followers. Who has cloud and who does it? Yeah.

Which NBA player has more IT followers? Which NBA player has more Instagram followers? Yonis is a cucko? Yonis, fuck, Janus his last name. I can't say that. Yeah, Janice or Clay Thompson? It has, it has, I think it's gonna be honest. I don't know, who's, oh, Golden State fans move heavy. They voted Andrew Wiggins into an All-Star game. That fan base moves. I understand that. Yeah, but Janice has that overseas pull, though. Okay, he's trying to, he's reverse psychology. It's Clay. I'm going, God, Donovan, what do you think? I'm going, Janice. Damn, you should have went Clay. Clay has 17,000.

million yonis has 16 million only by a big that golden state fan base is crazy it's a cult yeah yeah i thought yannis is like that uh if he was another chip maybe all right next up we got car anthony towns or draymond green again i'm always gonna pick the golden state warrior give me draymond green dream on green is just much more active i see yeah no i don't know i'll be on twitch he'd be oh cat has the jordan woods boost yeah If you know, you know, boy. Mastie, nasty. But I'm just to go Dremont Green.

I'm not bending against the Warriors fans. I'm going to go to Jermont. That Jordan Woods pool is crazy because it's Car Anthony Towns. By how much? Why did I doubt Jordan Woods? By 100,000. Carlton Town has 4.2. Drey has 4.1.

trade doesn't have the aura of clay thompson that's the difference yeah next up victor wimbayama versus jordan pool i'm going listen i'm gonna keep picking the golden state warriors i have to win out over time give me jordan pool he had that fan base behind him at one point i'm that's true donovan you are correct wendy has 3.2 million jordan pool has 2.4 I'm done with the Warriors

fuck them I'm done picking Warriors never again what about Tyrese Halliburton or Deer and Fox I'm gonna go Tyrease plays yeah Tyrese pays

in Indiana damn no I'm going I'm going Tyrese Hallibur I feel like Deer Fox is a very like low key guy he don't really be on the gram like that I know Tyrese Halliburton

he's kind of active give me him Tyrese has 446K compared to Deere Fox's 1.4 million That's crazy. Deer & Fox went to Kentucky and came up in the same draft as Lonzo Ball. That was a lot of attention. His duels against Lonzo carried him, bro. Iconic.

Tyrese's last name is Halliburton. Need that same more. And he plays in Indiana now, man. Fitpink's kind of crazy though. He got some marketing is in the dumps. All right. Next up we got John Morant or Luca Donchich. Oh, this is hard. I think John Moran has captured the attention of a generation.

I think it has to be him. That is true. He is, yeah, listen, John Moran is trying to be this generation's Tupac. He's trying to be a symbol. He's trying to be a symbol for a lot of people. Bad symbol, but one nonetheless. Listen, Tupac was famous as shit. I'm a good job.

I'm going to John Moran. I'm going to drop two. Oh, y'all are right. John Moran has 9.7 million compared to Luca. Donchages 8.5. Oh, yeah. The people's champ. People are checking for what John Morant has to do on Instagram.

Fax, you're right. People need to know. Everybody followed him two Instagram lives ago. We're itching for the next notification. Where is Jha? Where is Jaws? It's hilarious. All right.

What about Kyrie Irving versus KD? Kyrie Irving. Ooh, damn. Incredibly famous. Oh, you were one of his first followers. Damn, incredibly famous. You got a shrine. I'm going to play the opposite just to be contrarian.

Give me Kevin Durant. You know why? I said it before. I'm done picking Warriors. Nobody's ever played for the Warriors is getting picked again. Give me Kyrie. I'll take Katie. Isaac, you are correct again.

Kyrie Irving has 19 million. Katie has 13. Now, Kyrie did play alongside LeBron. He did play at Duke, even though he'd get that much shine. And also, he's one of the, most his highlights he'd be saying some stuff

on social media too so I get it I understand yeah we got check for him too yeah that is true Katie's loki didn't post like that either yeah

all right last one we got SGA or Jalen Brown oh for the Celtics but Jayland but Shay

or man put that shit on the IG caps people like Mo you heard Mo you heard him are following him Thirsting is Shay

I'm going to Shay Actually I don't know Jalen Brown's been the league longer You're pitching to Celtics But he's like he might be over Twitter guy Is he the IG guy I think he's more of a Twitter guy

Jayne's gonna be putting that shit on too though Let's go Shay Giggles Alexander has 2.5 compared to Jalen Brown's 3.9 Wow I knew he's been in a league for a long time A lot of my bad

My bad Jayley Them Caucasians and Bar Boston do not play about their players. They are supporting every single Boston Celtic in history. Until they don't. To that analysis on why they pick him, but I'll leave that there. Until they don't. That was the last one.

That's great. That's the last one. That's great. We have, I believe, one more video for you out of here. And what we're going to do next is we're going to look at old NBA logos and grade them. But, okay. So, you know, A through F, grade them on how good of a logo is. vibes, whatever you feel like you want to judge it on, that's what we're going to do.

So let's grade these old NBA logos. First off, the Denver Nuggets. This is hard. This is such a hard as I'm so happy we're on the same page. I thought I was to kill one of y'all. This is an A. This is an A. Could be a, potentially because it's so unique.

And with being so unique, you put yourself in territory to be ass, but they didn't. Everything is put perfectly. This might be asked to me. There's a fine line you're towing. Well said, you could have been bad, but you're warred, so it's good. Yeah, solid A. I think this is a great logo. The whole rainbow element aged gracefully.

I agree. The mountains in the back, too. This is amazing. Yeah. It looks and feels retro in all the right ways. Who. Next up. Next up, the Los Angeles Lakers, 60s vibes.

We flame them for using this design on the Blue City Jersey Jersey. And that's because it's bad now And it was bad then And so this is a very D-level logo Yeah, listen We said it once We'll say it again

In the 60s, graphic design was not their passion They didn't have Canva They know what they were doing This is terrible They had no YouTube tutorials To look at to create To create proper logos

There's no basketball here There's no lakes Nothing, it's just words It's just letters It's boring Yeah, it's just a triangle What are we doing? The new

The new Lakers logo is discombobulated, and it's, and it wasn't aligned. This is aligned. I want to put this at B. I don't care. There's just letters. There's this in the logo. This is a typeface. This is boring.

I'm outvoted, whatever. D. D. Next up, the 76ers. S-tier, oh my God. Swaggers are waiting on this shit. Yeah. S-tier, grade A.

D? I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I don't see what you say. I was looking for a reaction. Oh my God. This guy. This guy.

It's like D for what? Yeah, I was going to get my head bitten off. I was joking. This is eight here. I think the gold, the gold looks very much of the times. This looks very. I just caught what you said. Yo.

Yeah. pause as good yeah that's funny but as I'm saying the gold very much looked early 2000s so it's a bit dated but it works at the same time I I appreciate this still yeah the stars a bag does so much to make so much to make so much to live in the NBA it's hard it's fire any adjective you want to use this is it this is flame yeah I was think it could be nostalgia talking but for now nostalgia's motherfucking winning hell yeah as it all I'm a let it win facts next up the Atlanta Hawks This is an A tier at its finest right here, man.

The Hawks on the ball. This is so aggressive. It's hard. So Atlanta is about. Look, man. This is what I would die for. In an age of minimalism and logos of ruining sports, seeing this maximalist-ass cartoon from back in the day,

I yearn for this. I wish we went back to this in some elements. I love it. And do you notice how in all of the A's, they have the little hawk beak? Oh. I never noticed that. Look at that.

And all of the A plus plus. That's fine. A plus plus. Call in the details. They got it right. This is my city that I'm proud of. Not that new era bullshit. The Charlotte Hornets.

Oh, man. It's so hard. I want to give this an A. But at this moment, whenever I see this logo, I actually think of the baby wearing it everywhere. So I have to lower it just a little bit. I have to give it a B. I think this logo looks incredible on a starter jacket, but as its own, it looks kind of school of rocky. It looks a little, uh, what's the thing we watched where we learned about, about politics in school. Oh, um, oh my gosh, I know exactly what to talk about. What's it called? Uh, Bill. Bill. What is it? This looks a little schoolhouse rock. Like I'm learning about parliaments in school. Yes. Oh, it looks very 90s, a little bit dated. This is a perfect be there. Yeah, this is a solid B

Listen, shout out The Baby's 2019 run Gondon RAP Yeah, 2013 LeBron like Ridiculous No, that's Linsanity Like Next up

The Sacramento Kings This is B2 Maybe C Yeah, this is the most Blan Langer See at best It ain't ass at all But it's just like

Like, what else is there to this? This looks like an ice cream truck. Yeah, this is like a water park from the 1990s. This is mid. Yeah, looks like a torch. Like, just a weird ass torch, though. It looks gross. Looks like I see it on the side of like shaved ice you get at school lunch.

Shamed ice. It looks old in all the wrong ways. It doesn't impress me. I'm not moved to C tier. It's a logo. Yeah. This is C. My definition, it is one of the logos of all time.

Yeah, this is C. The Miami Heat. Listen, this is literally the logo that they have today just with worst colors. So I have to give this a detail. I don't like this orange. Bro, you don't like the flaming hot orange? This is Johnny Test hair like. This has to be Johnny Test.

I'm not for Johnny testing forever. Yeah, I can go ahead and see a theme song. right now don't play with me uh you swayed me you swear me with johnny tess and instant b go ahead johnny test is my shit man oh my god do it do that again i might drop it to see that's the last one that's great perfect what do we have left before we get out of here let me see if we have anything else written down i feel like i might we did the tier list to instagram followers that's the end of the episode if people were still here what should they Comment.

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